New photos from set (warning, spoilers!)

[Doomofman]

Someone hit a nerve 

I see it like this, Giger is of course i brilliant artist, no one is doubting that, but he's just specialised to on single style, and that's the alien style.

Everything he did screams 'Alien', just look at Species, he's rehashing himself over and over again. Winston created characters that were different in character and style, he did a shitload of memorable characters, giving us the Terminator, Predator, Pumpkinhead, Jurassic Park... not to mention his kick ass practical effects work, that after 20 or more years look better than most of the stuff done today.

I do in fact think that Winston is the better artist.

A slightly better worded version of what I was trying to say 

[Johnny Handsome]

Didn't see you were responding too until i posted it. 

[Doomofman]

At least we agree on something for once...

I'm curious to see if this draws in some Alien fans though...

[Johnny Handsome]

It will, trust me on that one. 

[bobcunk]

Someone hit a nerve 

I see it like this, Giger is of course i brilliant artist, no one is doubting that, but he's just specialised to on single style, and that's the alien style.

Everything he did screams 'Alien', just look at Species, he's rehashing himself over and over again. Winston created characters that were different in character and style, he did a shitload of memorable characters, giving us the Terminator, Predator, Pumpkinhead, Jurassic Park... not to mention his kick ass practical effects work, that after 20 or more years look better than most of the stuff done today.

I do in fact think that Winston is the better artist.

i dont think stan Winston had alot to do with Pumpkinhead's design, he was to busy directing it so i think it was tom woodruf that did the actual design.

[SiL]

but he's just specialised to on single style, and that's the alien style.

How much Giger stuff are you familiar with, though?

I have most of his books, and his work isn't just specialised to biomechanoids. That's just his most popular stuff.

Everything he did screams 'Alien', just look at Species, he's rehashing himself over and over again.

'Alien' screams 'Giger', not the other way around.

Winston created characters that were different in character and style, he did a shitload of memorable characters, giving us the Terminator, Predator, Pumpkinhead, Jurassic Park...

The Terminator was designed mostly by James Cameron, Pumpkinhead was designed by his team, and Jurassic Park, well ... they were dinosaurs. Not exactly something they had to design from scratch. Same goes with the work he did on Aliens - Giger designed everything but the Queen, which was also largely designed by Cameron himself.

I think people give Winston himself too much credit. Don't get me wrong, dude was a genius and incredibly talented, etc. etc. - I'm not talking down on him or his legacy - but everything he gets credited for was a collaborative effort by his entire team. If you look through The Winston Effect you'll see most of the work pictured is credited to everyone but him.

And he acknowledged that.

But the same can be said exactly for Giger, at least when Alien is concerned. Sure, he designed, sculpted, and painted the adult Alien and egg and the Space Jockey, and designed the face-hugger, but the final form of the burster wasn't his doing and Carlo Rambaldi did the mechanical effects (Although Giger did design mechanisms for the face-hugger, using his engineering knowledge, but they ultimately weren't used).

This all being said, I'll take the creature effects of Aliens over Alien ... but the design of Alien any day.

[EarthHive]

I am not disrepecting Giger...the man can draw.  However, Winston, IMO...can draw and create the creature.  I mean the dude made the Predator from his drawings (and a little inspiration from Cameron), he made the Terminator (he just didn't draw it), he made the Alien...once again...he just didn't draw it.  He created these creatures.  Of course it was a team effort...but he was the mastermind.  He made these pictures move.

[SiL]

I am not disrepecting Giger...the man can draw.  However, Winston, IMO...can draw and create the creature.  I mean the dude made the Predator from his drawings (and a little inspiration from Cameron), he made the Terminator (he just didn't draw it), he made the Alien...once again...he just didn't draw it.  He created these creatures.  Of course it was a team effort...but he was the mastermind.  He made these pictures move.

But he didn't.

His crew sculpted it, his crew created the animatronics, his crew painted them. He even jokes about it in the Predator 2 special features, that he gets all the credit while everyone else does all of the work.

Giger did almost everything to do with the adult Alien himself, with the exception of the head mechanics - Carlo Rambaldi - and making the physical moulds. He designed it, he sculpted it, he painted it. Same deal with the Space Jockey.

[wolfie138]

That's a hilarious (and ridiculous) statement, as Giger's "one idea" is the only reason Winston had something to sculpt.

Winston didn't design the Alien, Giger did.  Winston just copied him. 

But, I'm sure you're just some little kid somewhere who doesn't understand the contribution Giger made to this whole franchise.  So, I'll let your stupidity slide.

you're talking "Aliens", where Winston didn't "copy" him, he was paid to recreate something for a film. are you too stupid to understand that concept? Where did i say Windton created that alien? i kinda didn't, did i?

you let stupidity slide if you want. i'll let your ignorance, made-up accusations and petty troll attempts slide. i am fully aware of Giger's contribution to the alien franchise, i just don't give a sht because it's just a skeleton w/ a penis for a head the same way most of his designs incorporate sexual organs.

[SiL]

i am fully aware of Giger's contribution to the alien franchise, i just don't give a sht because it's just a skeleton w/ a penis for a head the same way most of his designs incorporate sexual organs.

Someone hit a nerve 

[psychonaut25]

That's a hilarious (and ridiculous) statement, as Giger's "one idea" is the only reason Winston had something to sculpt.

Winston didn't design the Alien, Giger did.  Winston just copied him. 

But, I'm sure you're just some little kid somewhere who doesn't understand the contribution Giger made to this whole franchise.  So, I'll let your stupidity slide.

you're talking "Aliens", where Winston didn't "copy" him, he was paid to recreate something for a film. are you too stupid to understand that concept? Where did i say Windton created that alien? i kinda didn't, did i?

you let stupidity slide if you want. i'll let your ignorance, made-up accusations and petty troll attempts slide. i am fully aware of Giger's contribution to the alien franchise, i just don't give a sht because it's just a skeleton w/ a penis for a head the same way most of his designs incorporate sexual organs.

Aliens are very sexual creatures.

[The Demon]

Look at the Alien's head in Wolfie's signature. I see a penis with a big vain.

[psychonaut25]

Look at the Alien's head in Wolfie's signature. I see a penis with a big vain.

Look on Puks siganture There is also a description of it

P.S. Hi Puks

[keylight-di]

Look at the Alien's head in Wolfie's signature. I see a penis with a big vain.

Didn't you see Puks signature?   

EDIT: psychonaut was faster... lol Everyone are thinking about Puks...

[Doomofman]

Ah yes the conversation has descended into penis talk... Gotta love the internet