About the blue liquid that the predator uses to destroy the remains of alien bodies. I DONT like it. the new film sems verry intresting and down right rather good, but this bluliquid kinda destroy some of the verry cool spect of the alien creature, The alien got acid for blood, a super corossive acid, every inch of the alien is of courcse imune too the effects of he acid since it serves as the creatures life jucie. Then you might think that no other acid would harm the creature, wich is auctully rigt, acids are molucular composed alike, watching a blue liquid dessolve the alien yust as its blood does to its victim is almost disgusting. aliens burn people, ALIEN DONT get burned!! (of acid that is, of cource)
unless the blue crap is infact a chemical dsigned to dissolve alien cells att an molucular level and dont auctully work as an acid, rather than a molycul (heck how u spell it) destroyer. so F*UCK the blue crap, whos whit me! ???
Quote from: SlappyMCnasty on Nov 07, 2007, 03:37:56 PM
this bluliquid kinda destroy some of the verry cool spect of the alien creature
This should be the least of your worries.
how do we know the makeup of the blue liquid??? it may be an acid specifically designed to destroy aliens at a molecular level..
I think its a good idea, It wipes out the evidence.
Maybe it turns the acid in the aliens blood against itself....
QuoteMaybe it turns the acid in the aliens blood against itself....
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"!!!!! NEVERRRR!!!! thank god this guy dont directs, dont even write a fan fic...
Quote from: pred_alien on Nov 07, 2007, 03:47:24 PM
how do we know the makeup of the blue liquid??? it may be an acid specifically designed to destroy aliens at a molecular level..
Very probably.
Although the concept
does virtually scream out 'plot device'.
Quote from: SlappyMCnasty on Nov 07, 2007, 03:52:22 PM
QuoteMaybe it turns the acid in the aliens blood against itself....
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"!!!!! NEVERRRR!!!! thank god this guy dont directs, dont even write a fan fic...
dude are you a dropout??? your grammer is atrocious
perhaps I dontlive in the us...
back to blue liquid crap
^^^^^^^^
maybe its like the blue sreum in blade^^ where ndeakon frost explode at the end...
how funny and bad at same time :(
Quote from: SlappyMCnasty on Nov 07, 2007, 03:52:22 PM
QuoteMaybe it turns the acid in the aliens blood against itself....
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"!!!!! NEVERRRR!!!! thank god this guy dont directs, dont even write a fan fic...
Whats so stupid about it? there doesnt need to be a University course on every element of the dam movie, like the alien fans want. I've heard them quoting sh*t from the Discovery Channel and trying to apply the theory to the fictional movie! :D
Maybe we should just bring ripley back from the dead, with all her memory's, that'll sort it?
sh*t.....they done that already.
maybe he has syringes with this blue liquid and when he inject it to an alien body, the acid-blood truns into other kind of acid, which melt the aliens from within... like highlandpred said it...
but... mom... that would be silly, because when he had to clean up splattered aliens on the street or so...^^
I bet it's nanotech.
Just how much of that stuff is the Predator supposed to carry around?
I think its a good idea because his mission isn't for trophies this time its to eradicate each and every alien and make sure there's no evidence that they were there.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 07, 2007, 04:19:08 PM
Just how much of that stuff is the Predator supposed to carry around?
the goblets may be small, (think the Rock)
""maybe he just piss at the alien... maybe his pee^^ is blue.. and it could melt aliens""
- what extremly bad joke srry -
they predators...they have technolodgy more advice than us
in Predator 2 the spear didnt show up on the elemental table
but
its blue liquid that destroys the evidence of aliens
leave it at that lol
Blue liquid? Where? Why does kill? Who? *embarrassed because doesn't remember that saw it*
A Base is the opposite of an Acid.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 04:48:18 PM
A Base is the opposite of an Acid.
So it basically does the opposite of the acid and neutralizes it?
So which one of these does it do? Reactivity or Electrical Conductivity??
Quote from: Accaris on Nov 07, 2007, 03:39:35 PM
Quote from: SlappyMCnasty on Nov 07, 2007, 03:37:56 PM
this bluliquid kinda destroy some of the verry cool spect of the alien creature
This should be the least of your worries.
yeah id worry about the scene where wolf takes out his dick and butt rapes every alien he sees.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 04:48:18 PM
A Base is the opposite of an Acid.
Shouldn't that only neutralise the acid, though? What about the rest of the body, which is bound to be covered by such a fluid? It has to be covered in something to stop being melted by its own acid, after all.
Water can put out fire, but it's no good trying to fight water with more water. :)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 04:48:18 PM
A Base is the opposite of an Acid.
Shouldn't that only neutralise the acid, though? What about the rest of the body, which is bound to be covered by such a fluid? it isn't melted by its own acid, after all.
Water can put out fire, but it's no good trying to fight water with more water. :)
If it the base causes electrical conductivity, it will make the alien turn into powder from the inside out.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 04:48:18 PM
A Base is the opposite of an Acid.
Interesting.
But what else could the vial contain that completely dissolves the aliens ( in a fairly short time, I presume )? On first hearing about it, I immediately recalled how the predator in
Predator 2 used a similar blue potion to melt wall....stuff into goo to be used as a healing agent...
It's an alien liquid... designed to melt other aliens.
i think it's cool. adds something new and interesting to the franchises.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 05:18:54 PM
It's an alien liquid... designed to melt other aliens.
I like your method of revision. ;)
the blue stuff is pretty badass cant wait to see it and since there is stuff that can neutraliz acid makes it more real 8)
QuoteShouldn't that only neutralise the acid, though? What about the rest of the body, which is bound to be covered by such a fluid? it isn't melted by its own acid, after all.
Water can put out fire, but it's no good trying to fight water with more water.
BUT! WAIT!
it dosent have to be covered by an slime mebraine to contain it acid, then all of the cells must had to be covered in a membrane. its cell could be molucular enhanced to be imune to its own acid molucules.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 05:20:34 PM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 05:18:54 PM
It's an alien liquid... designed to melt other aliens.
I like your method of revision. ;)
Colin, why not have Wolf mount a SuperSoaker from the supermarket to replace his shouldercannon, and fill it up with the liquid. It would rock :D
Quote from: OneThousandEyes on Nov 07, 2007, 05:25:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 05:20:34 PM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 05:18:54 PM
It's an alien liquid... designed to melt other aliens.
I like your method of revision. ;)
Colin, why not have Wolf mount a SuperSoaker from the supermarket to replace his shouldercannon, and fill it up with the liquid. It would rock :D
maybe there is some of that stuff placed in the plasma itself :o
ok, short facted, the aliens are 110% imune to its own acid, and should by then be imune to pretty much all other acids, pure sience tiffic pont of view.
then the blue crap cant be an acid, it must be som kind of .............?
Quote from: karhan on Nov 07, 2007, 05:21:58 PM
the blue stuff is pretty badass cant wait to see it and since there is stuff that can neutraliz acid makes it more real 8)
uhhh hmmm idk arent aliens supposed to kinda be..ya know alien? why make them more real? they already killed the creature now why not just shit on the remains of a once great movie monster.
Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Nov 07, 2007, 05:27:39 PM
Quote from: karhan on Nov 07, 2007, 05:21:58 PM
the blue stuff is pretty badass cant wait to see it and since there is stuff that can neutraliz acid makes it more real 8)
uhhh hmmm idk arent aliens supposed to kinda be..ya know alien? why make them more real? they already killed the creature now why not just shit on the remains of a once great movie monster.
you can blame FOX for the killing of the creature...
but as for the liquid; i think its cool, i dont see how wolf could get rid of the remains could you think up of something ::)
Yeah I'm new here, but here are my 2 cents.
#1 AVP is fiction. It's all make believe.
#2 Given the imagined technological level of the Predators (the ability to travel across interstellar space being the most impressive of them all) being upset that they would have the ability to make a chemical that reacts with the aliens already bizarre body chemistry in such a way that it dissolves them is odd?
They are extremely acidic creatures, so it's not a huge leap to think they would have a very violent reaction to an equally strong or stronger base.
Acid-Base reactions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutralization
There blood is fictional, their origin is fictional, and so is the blue liquid.
Not really the same thing, but the idea reminds me of when salt is put on a slug. It's not very pretty.
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Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Nov 07, 2007, 05:27:39 PM
Quote from: karhan on Nov 07, 2007, 05:21:58 PM
the blue stuff is pretty badass cant wait to see it and since there is stuff that can neutraliz acid makes it more real 8)
uhhh hmmm idk arent aliens supposed to kinda be..ya know alien? why make them more real? they already killed the creature now why not just shit on the remains of a once great movie monster.
you can blame FOX for the killing of the creature...
but as for the liquid; i think its cool, i dont see how wolf could get rid of the remains could you think up of something ::)
i know.....its tragic that the company doesnt care about the future (and present) of one of the greatest horror series in the history of film.
whatta you gonna do.. :(
but i mean come on..Predators can travel thru space you know how f*cking unbelivilbie hard that is to achive and i dont think its very hard for them to neutralize some acid :-\
Quote from: karhan on Nov 07, 2007, 05:41:24 PM
whatta you gonna do.. :(
but i mean come on..Predators can travel thru space you know how f*cking unbelivilbie hard that is to achive and i dont think its very hard for them to neutralize some acid :-\
Travel through space
Bending light
Make plasma weapons
Artificial gravity on their ships
Being Alien.
Oh wait a minute BLUE LIGUID WTF! :o
I guess this liquid is basically an advanced alkaline compound that effectively neutralises the acid blood of the aliens, calcifying them from the inside out. It's going to be interesting seeing the effects of the weapon. Plus...it's a great idea as this weapon would only do fatal damage to the aliens themselves and not everyone else (I think)
I'm hoping the effect is something similar to liquid nitrogen...and we see the wolf smash the alien to bits.
Quote from: karhan on Nov 07, 2007, 05:41:24 PM
whatta you gonna do.. :(
but i mean come on..Predators can travel thru space you know how f*cking unbelivilbie hard that is to achive and i dont think its very hard for them to neutralize some acid :-\
I just brought up the point that Aliens aren't composed of acid. They have to be covered/interlaced with teh complete opposite of acid, or they'd melt themselves. All 'anti-acid' might do is to neutralise the fluid, not get rid of the body around it.
The director then revised their theory to something far more ambiguous. :)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 05:56:08 PM
Quote from: karhan on Nov 07, 2007, 05:41:24 PM
whatta you gonna do.. :(
but i mean come on..Predators can travel thru space you know how f*cking unbelivilbie hard that is to achive and i dont think its very hard for them to neutralize some acid :-\
I just brought up the point that Aliens aren't composed of acid. They have to be covered/interlaced with teh complete opposite of acid, or they'd melt themselves. All 'anti-acid' might do is to neutralise the fluid, not get rid of the body around it.
The director then revised their theory to something far more ambiguous. :)
haha. that's a very good point, but bear in mind the wolf shoves it into the Aliens mouth, so it's not entirely far fetched. If that's the case, then we shouldn't really see the Alien deteriorate at all but just simply die.
yeah what he said^^ but yeah you have a good point :P
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 03:53:21 PM
Quote from: pred_alien on Nov 07, 2007, 03:47:24 PM
how do we know the makeup of the blue liquid??? it may be an acid specifically designed to destroy aliens at a molecular level..
Very probably.
Although the concept does virtually scream out 'plot device'.
Yeah... I smell the wafty emanations of instant contrivance and yet another reason to hate this movie in general.
Quote from: karhan on Nov 07, 2007, 05:21:58 PM
the blue stuff is pretty badass cant wait to see it and since there is stuff that can neutraliz acid makes it more real 8)
..hahahaha... umm bases don't make acid vanish into THIN AIR.
yeah i know but it will rot in time.....i think :-\
QuoteI just brought up the point that Aliens aren't composed of acid. They have to be covered/interlaced with teh complete opposite of acid, or they'd melt themselves. All 'anti-acid' might do is to neutralise the fluid, not get rid of the body around it
why cant ehy be composed by acid?
and as I said it isent imosible that there cells are molucular ingenerd as the acid such as the acid have no effect on them?? there verry cells are perhaps imune laced whit acid proof chemestry.
Quote from: jimmylace on Nov 07, 2007, 05:58:42 PM
haha. that's a very good point, but bear in mind the wolf shoves it into the Aliens mouth, so it's not entirely far fetched. If that's the case, then we shouldn't really see the Alien deteriorate at all but just simply die.
As I say, it screams out 'plot device'.
They need to make all traces of Aliens and their DNA completely vanish, so they give the main character fighting them a liquid which dissolves the things into nothingness.
The Predator might not physically be pulling it out of its ass, but might as well do. :)
Personally, I'd say a big enough dose of super-heated plasma/whatever it is should be enough to incinerate any corpse evidence. All it would take is an extra setting on their guns. But that's just me.
Quote from: SlappyMCnasty on Nov 07, 2007, 06:13:07 PM
why cant ehy be composed by acid?
and as I said it isent imosible that there cells are molucular ingenerd as the acid such as the acid have no effect on them?? there verry cells are perhaps imune laced whit acid proof chemestry.
They can't be composed of acid because acid is a liquid. Aliens are clearly not made out of liquid. :)
Interlaced chemistry is as good a theory as anything for why they're immune to the stuff, yeah.
Quote from: jimmylace on Nov 07, 2007, 05:54:01 PM
I'm hoping the effect is something similar to liquid nitrogen...and we see the wolf smash the alien to bits.
No I'm thinking more like salt on a slug (not the same thing), but all an acid-base reaction does is make mostly water.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 05:56:08 PMI just brought up the point that Aliens aren't composed of acid. They have to be covered/interlaced with teh complete opposite of acid, or they'd melt themselves. All 'anti-acid' might do is to neutralise the fluid, not get rid of the body around it.
The director then revised their theory to something far more ambiguous. :)
I thought their exoskeletons were made of silicon, so that doesn't explain what happens to the exoskeleton made of mostly glass. Maybe they have blood (aka acid) circulation through it so it's not interiorly dead material?
A puddle of water and some silicon goo is hardly evidence of extraterrestrial life, but very dangerous to walk on.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 07, 2007, 06:10:17 PM
..hahahaha... umm bases don't make acid vanish into THIN AIR.
No they turn each other into water.
It's not really a show stopper for me trying to annualize how it's done as long as it's plausible for the story. If they started running around with colorful balloons singing show tunes I wouldn't be interested in it the move.
ok but all am saying is that they dosent necessary have an other liquid inside of the protecting them from there own blood,
even thoug most animals, including mamals have an extra yellatin membrane insade their stomach protecting it from its digestive acid, the alien is still alien and I having a hard time beliving that an acid blooded alien being is covered in every inc of its cells by this crap,
This debate isnt really happening is it? Tell me when we're figuring out what the preds eat for takeaway on a friday night, I'll jump all over that one.
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 07, 2007, 06:26:53 PM
This debate isnt really happening is it? Tell me when we're figuring out what the preds eat for takeaway on a friday night, I'll jump all over that one.
lol :D but your right, whats done is done to perserve contunuity
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PM
As I say, it screams out 'plot device'.
The Predator was a plot device for an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PMPersonally, I'd say a big enough dose of super-heated plasma/whatever it is should be enough to incinerate any corpse evidence. All it would take is an extra setting on their guns. But that's just me.
Yes use one plot device as the end all be all plot device?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PM
They can't be composed of acid because acid is a liquid. Aliens are clearly not made out of liquid. :)
Humans are 60%+ made up of water.
Quote from: karhan on Nov 07, 2007, 06:28:10 PM
lol :D but your right, whats done is done to perserve contunuity
It's not a get rid of the evidence plot device it's a preserve continuity plot device.
that what your doing is pretty arritating^^ >:(
Quote from: karhan on Nov 07, 2007, 06:36:52 PM
that what your doing is pretty arritating^^ >:(
Well I'm not going to lose any sleep over that, so you might as well get over it yourself. ::)
Its just a little hard to believe that wolf would ideally be able to go around and dissolve every alien corpse in the town. lol.
Why would he need to do that when he has the self-destruct device on his wrist?
You'd think he'd miss at least one or two.
wolf: (thinks to himself) Did I get all those f**kers? Meh. close enoujgh.
camera pans to see one on someone's roof and then one in the ladies room of a bar or something like that. lol.
probably because fox hired the brothers to do a 100 minute feature....
Just putting that one out there. ;)
I doubt they had that much control over when and where the story was set, so they tried to make the best of it. And that ends up being things that most people don't like (BLUE LIGUID.)
The problem is how the movie will look and feel with some of this stuff. AVP felt kind of cheesy to me the stinky gooey French kind. I don't want my little pony vs. care bear again. If the Aliens feel like the Aliens and the Predator feels like the Predator I can give some slack, but that is just me.
No decision yet on this. I'll have to see this ones visual (or special) effect and if the plot device is abused or not.
I can't see it being abused. At some point, it would take away from the Predator for the Wolf to be uncorking vials all over the place as we watch.
Quote from: Rhaw on Nov 07, 2007, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PM
They can't be composed of acid because acid is a liquid. Aliens are clearly not made out of liquid. :)
Humans are 60%+ made up of water.
Aliens aren't human their Aliens we don't know what they're made up of.
well its either a mysterious liquid able to dissolve aliens, or its alien corpses lying around for all to see in 2004. which one would you rather have? exactly.
Quote from: jimmylace on Nov 07, 2007, 08:12:00 PM
well its either a mysterious liquid able to dissolve aliens, or its alien corpses lying around for all to see in 2004. which one would you rather have? exactly.
i'd rather have the corpses vaporized via self-destruct device of Wolf or the nuke the military drops.
Its not like they wouldn't sent their teams in to go through the debris before any media got word of it.
If any shreds of alien corpses were found, im sure the goverment would cover it up so continuity would not be ruined.
The blue liquid and its effects, sound cool to me.
Just like the regurgitation method...it's best to wait and see it on screen, before making a final judgement. ;)
Quote from: Space Disc Jockey on Nov 07, 2007, 08:33:15 PM
The blue liquid and its effects, sound cool to me.
Just like the regurgitation method...it's best to wait and see it on screen, before making a final judgement. ;)
yeah i used to think that, when i was under the impression that it was just one scene and it was part of the medkit that wolf just used as a weapon. The idea that its specifically designed to get rid of all the alien bodies is kind of dumb. How much of that liquid could he possibly be carrying throughout the film and what are the chances none of it breaks open and hurts him during the various battles with aliens?
The Predators are way much better in technologyes.I am sure that this blue um..how was the word? will take care of alien remains pretty good. ;)
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 07, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: Space Disc Jockey on Nov 07, 2007, 08:33:15 PM
The blue liquid and its effects, sound cool to me.
Just like the regurgitation method...it's best to wait and see it on screen, before making a final judgement. ;)
yeah i used to think that, when i was under the impression that it was just one scene and it was part of the medkit that wolf just used as a weapon. The idea that its specifically designed to get rid of all the alien bodies is kind of dumb. How much of that liquid could he possibly be carrying throughout the film and what are the chances none of it breaks open and hurts him during the various battles with aliens?
They are different species. What's harmful to them might be normal, harmless Predator deadlock styling gel. If you've seen War of the Worlds, you'll know what I'm talking about.
how come Wolf doeasn't just throw the liquid into the predaliens mouth and BLAMO!!! predalien is gone easy as that
Quote from: AvP4evr on Nov 07, 2007, 08:57:16 PM
how come Wolf doeasn't just throw the liquid into the predaliens mouth and BLAMO!!! predalien is gone easy as that
It's pribably unable to or it either it is as arrogant as Celtic and wants to fight it, Wolf=Vegeta
I like the blue liquid idea.
........blue liquid, I can see that as a toy right now: AVPR: Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem toys presents: Wolfs blue liquid it can be like in a pred designed plastic test tube looking thingy with goopy flourescent blue goop and kids could play with it....or maybe it can be like an AVPR energy drink: BLUE LIQUID Energy from the FOX hit AVPR it'll be bright clear blue drink
so im guessing no1 has com up with a decent fan name for this liquid?
bullshit?
wow, that was so clever
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Nov 07, 2007, 08:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rhaw on Nov 07, 2007, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PM
They can't be composed of acid because acid is a liquid. Aliens are clearly not made out of liquid. :)
Humans are 60%+ made up of water.
Aliens aren't human their Aliens we don't know what they're made up of.
The point wasn't whether they are like humans the point was that an animal can be made up of mostly fluid and not clearly demonstrate it. How many people know they are mostly water, so the aliens could easily be mostly acid?
For the second part you are right we don't know what they are made of they are aliens. And that is even more of reason to get over "The Blue Liquid" and how it works.
My question is why wasn't it red, because blue isn't a very predator color? ::)
if im not mistaken the anchorpoint essays state that a xenomorphs anatomy is made up of mostly flourine, perhaps the liquid breaks down the flourine compounds in the aliens body
it could be a very strong base that mixes with the alien acid and explodes like when you mix vineger(and acid) to baking soda(a base).
If the base causes conductive electricity, that will affect the acid causing the alien to turn into powder from the inside out.
Quote from: Rhaw on Nov 07, 2007, 09:46:55 PM
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Quote from: Rhaw on Nov 07, 2007, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PM
They can't be composed of acid because acid is a liquid. Aliens are clearly not made out of liquid. :)
Humans are 60%+ made up of water.
Aliens aren't human their Aliens we don't know what they're made up of.
The point wasn't whether they are like humans the point was that an animal can be made up of mostly fluid and not clearly demonstrate it. How many people know they are mostly water, so the aliens could easily be mostly acid?
For the second part you are right we don't know what they are made of they are aliens. And that is even more of reason to get over "The Blue Liquid" and how it works.
My question is why wasn't it red, because blue isn't a very predator color? ::)
All acids exist in an aqueous solution. (suspended in water)
Quote from: MartyPredator on Nov 07, 2007, 04:24:29 PM
they predators...they have technolodgy more advice than us
in Predator 2 the spear didnt show up on the elemental table
but
its blue liquid that destroys the evidence of aliens
leave it at that lol
That part always left me going "what?"
That means its over atomic number 100 on the periodic table and all that stuffs highly radioactive with really small half-lifes. Its a cheap-ass plot device to many scifi movies use. They would be better off saying that its an unknown ALLOY instead of element.
Quote from: Rhaw on Nov 07, 2007, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PM
As I say, it screams out 'plot device'.
The Predator was a plot device for an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.
No, it was a character functioning as the antagonist. Not nearly the same thing.
QuoteQuote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PMPersonally, I'd say a big enough dose of super-heated plasma/whatever it is should be enough to incinerate any corpse evidence. All it would take is an extra setting on their guns. But that's just me.
Yes use one plot device as the end all be all plot device?
How do you figure that? Predators already have guns which fire some sort of super-heated energy. People presume it's plasma, but there's never been any indication as to precisely what it was. It might even be a concentrated form of ball lightning.
Using a higher setting to bathe Alien corpses with would simply be them using what they've already got in a practical way to achieve the same ends.
Using some sort of blue liquid to turn Aliens into dust, by contrast, is an excuse for Hydraulx to copy vampire deaths from '
Blade 2'. :)
It's giving the Predators something they don't need.
QuoteQuote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PM
They can't be composed of acid because acid is a liquid. Aliens are clearly not made out of liquid. :)
Humans are 60%+ made up of water.
Which leaves an awful lot which isn't.
Ever seen mummified corpses from Egypt? All the fluid has been taken out of them. That still leaves a lot of flesh, skin and bone.
It seems the directors' original idea was to neutralise acid. Now, after it being pointed out that while Aliens apparently have acidic fluids flowing
through them, they are not 100% acid, this explanation has been changed to something a lot more ambiguous.
Because of that, as with their recent admission over the Predalien reproduction method, my feeling is that this was something they just tossed in there for the sake of it. :)
QuoteIt's not a get rid of the evidence plot device it's a preserve continuity plot device.
Same thing.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 07, 2007, 04:48:18 PM
A Base is the opposite of an Acid.
well, the aliens blood is not actual acid. The phrase "acid for blood" gets thrown out there because its the closest/easiest way to describe what it does, burn the shit out of anything it touches. I'm not sure that the alien physiology/biology is that familiar in order to say it is mere acid that can react with base elements.
The aliens blood, is made up of compounds that form the yellowish/green liquid that simply happens to have a very low ph level, making it mimic the effects of hydrochloric acid.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 07, 2007, 11:34:33 PM
If the base causes conductive electricity, that will affect the acid causing the alien to turn into powder from the inside out.
I don't know about that, not entirely familiar with physics/chemsitry in that regard. lol.
but according to info on both these sites:
http://www.anchorpointessays.com/essays.html
http://www.serenadawn.com/Alien-TheCollectedEssays.htm
it seems that the aliens blood functions like a bio-electric "battery" of sorts, and the aliens internal structure is not damaged by the acidic "blood" it contains. It oxidizes after death, so the acidic reactivity is not merely inherent to the static properties of the fluid itself.
I'm not sure you can just cause a reaction indusive to electricity and then have it harm the aliens internal structure.
this was particularly interesting:
"This process of neutralization could indicate that the low pH levels are being maintained through a specific organ, or group of organs. In such a theory these organs could maintain a specific pH level through the controlled release of alkaline components into the blood stream - then once the organ ceased to function the pH levels may be able rise as this control is lost and the body floods with the neutralizing base"
So if a base is added to the aliens physiology, why would it react explosively? It seems it would only neutralize the acidity of the circulatory fluid that is called "blood" for the purposes of simplicity.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 08, 2007, 06:32:47 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 07, 2007, 11:34:33 PM
If the base causes conductive electricity, that will affect the acid causing the alien to turn into powder from the inside out.
I don't know about that, not entirely familiar with physics/chemsitry in that regard. lol.
but according to info on both these sites:
http://www.anchorpointessays.com/essays.html
http://www.serenadawn.com/Alien-TheCollectedEssays.htm
it seems that the aliens blood functions like a bio-electric "battery" of sorts, and the aliens internal structure is not damaged by the acidic "blood" it contains. It oxidizes after death, so the acidic reactivity is not merely inherent to the static properties of the fluid itself.
I'm not sure you can just cause a reaction indusive to electricity and then have it harm the aliens internal structure.
this was particularly interesting:
"This process of neutralization could indicate that the low pH levels are being maintained through a specific organ, or group of organs. In such a theory these organs could maintain a specific pH level through the controlled release of alkaline components into the blood stream - then once the organ ceased to function the pH levels may be able rise as this control is lost and the body floods with the neutralizing base"
So if a base is added to the aliens physiology, why would it react explosively? It seems it would only neutralize the acidity of the circulatory fluid that is called "blood" for the purposes of simplicity.
If on the other hand it causes reactivity, then it will act as a corrosive and literally melt the alien inside out, but as i said before.......powder if it is conductive electricity
Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Nov 07, 2007, 05:12:40 PM
Quote from: Accaris on Nov 07, 2007, 03:39:35 PM
Quote from: SlappyMCnasty on Nov 07, 2007, 03:37:56 PM
this bluliquid kinda destroy some of the verry cool spect of the alien creature
This should be the least of your worries.
yeah id worry about the scene where wolf takes out his dick and butt rapes every alien he sees.
DON'T say that. I might get ideas.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 08, 2007, 06:52:50 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 08, 2007, 06:32:47 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 07, 2007, 11:34:33 PM
If the base causes conductive electricity, that will affect the acid causing the alien to turn into powder from the inside out.
I don't know about that, not entirely familiar with physics/chemsitry in that regard. lol.
but according to info on both these sites:
http://www.anchorpointessays.com/essays.html
http://www.serenadawn.com/Alien-TheCollectedEssays.htm
it seems that the aliens blood functions like a bio-electric "battery" of sorts, and the aliens internal structure is not damaged by the acidic "blood" it contains. It oxidizes after death, so the acidic reactivity is not merely inherent to the static properties of the fluid itself.
I'm not sure you can just cause a reaction indusive to electricity and then have it harm the aliens internal structure.
this was particularly interesting:
"This process of neutralization could indicate that the low pH levels are being maintained through a specific organ, or group of organs. In such a theory these organs could maintain a specific pH level through the controlled release of alkaline components into the blood stream - then once the organ ceased to function the pH levels may be able rise as this control is lost and the body floods with the neutralizing base"
So if a base is added to the aliens physiology, why would it react explosively? It seems it would only neutralize the acidity of the circulatory fluid that is called "blood" for the purposes of simplicity.
If on the other hand it causes reactivity, then it will act as a corrosive and literally melt the alien inside out, but as i said before.......powder if it is conductive electricity
but an alien can withstand the acidicity of its own blood and it doesn't burn its organs if it bleeds internally. So I don't see how something can react with its blood and cause it to melt from the inside out or end up as nothing but powder. Even if deadly to the alien, and somewhat calcifiying, corrosive..etc and so on, your not conveniently going to have no traces of the alien at all.
The most likely thing to happen though is tissue digestion, if the alien indeed does not have any skeleton besides the exoskeleton then the exoskeleteon willl be the only part that remains and evrything inside will tunr into mush, which then the exoskeleton can easily be crushed into dust by anything as weak as fingertips
Ballzanya your posts have been very interesting however you're forgetting the golden rule when dealing with predator technology and biology. Anything ambiguous (and there is A LOT of ambiguous stuff in the predator franchise) is easily explained by "BECAUSE THEY CAN". ;) In this case all you need to know about the blue liquid is that it's alien in origin and exempt from the rules of science. It really is that simple.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 08, 2007, 07:11:05 AM
Ballzanya your posts have been very interesting however you're forgetting the golden rule when dealing with predator technology and biology. Anything ambiguous (and there is A LOT of ambiguous stuff in the predator franchise) is easily explained by "BECAUSE THEY CAN". ;) In this case all you need to know about the blue liquid is that it's alien in origin and exempt from the rules of science. It really is that simple.
oh yeah, i forget, it's the old "its science fiction, therefore the average movie audience won't know the difference between real science and shit we just made up" excuse.
Science is used for eveything damn it. You can't just say that lame excuse.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 08, 2007, 07:07:58 AM
The most likely thing to happen though is tissue digestion, if the alien indeed does not have any skeleton besides the exoskeleton then the exoskeleteon willl be the only part that remains and evrything inside will tunr into mush, which then the exoskeleton can easily be crushed into dust by anything as weak as fingertips
what would result is some withered, eroded tissue and remnants of the acidic blood, even if no discernable features remain. There's still no believable argument that is going to remove the blue liquid idea from the category of convenient plot device for the sake of continuity and place it in the scientifically or remotely plausible one.
Well, personally, I don't give a shit about what the blue liquid is. It's a movie about monsters fighting each other. No one is going to take the time to explain what the mysterious blue substance that melts Aliens is. Nor do I care.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 08, 2007, 07:16:44 AM
Science is used for eveything damn it. You can't just say that lame excuse.
who are you arguing with here? I never said that you can just totally abandon scientific facts altogether, even in a sci-fi film.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 08, 2007, 07:19:37 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 08, 2007, 07:16:44 AM
Science is used for eveything damn it. You can't just say that lame excuse.
who are you arguing with here? I never said that you can just totally abandon scientific facts altogether, even in a sci-fi film.
Was talking to Porkus Maximus
QuoteScience is used for eveything damn it. You can't just say that lame excuse.
This is why I prefer the alien franchise as a whole. I can use psuedo-science to explain things and feel like I'm having a semi-intellectual conversation. Obviously there are still some things that fall foul to a complete lack of reality but I find that it happens much more in the predator movies. Dispite what some people around here might think I actually love the predator creature especially from the first movie but when you try and geek off and explain things you find yourself running into dead ends far too quickly.
A dead end usually means that it is truly impossible to explain, this is becoming more true for this blue liquid thing.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Nov 08, 2007, 07:19:10 AM
Well, personally, I don't give a shit about what the blue liquid is. It's a movie about monsters fighting each other. No one is going to take the time to explain what the mysterious blue substance that melts Aliens is. Nor do I care.
There's a problem when the idea of these two iconic creations are reduced to the status of being just a mere monster vs. flick, that you can mildly enjoy, as opposed to doing both franchises proper justice and making sure their iconic status is not downgraded or dumbed down for the sake of b-movie freddy vs. jason wankery.
Directors/writers of bad sci-fi films..etc. often count on the fact that the average public indeed doesn't give a rats ass about any specific details, science or probability but rather mindless action, hot woman and explosions, which is just sad really. The alien or predator franchises or even avp should not be reduced to that.
Should characters in the film have a dialogue explaining the liquid in great scientific detail, no of course not, but that doesn't mean you can just have it in the film and bank on the fact that no one will call into question how nonsensical it really is.
Also how many viles of this shit does he have with him, as theres no way one would contain enough lilquid to get rid of every alien corpse. If he has a shitload of them, plus the medkit, plus the whip, plus the spear, plus a couple shurikens, plus a couple shoulder cannons, plus wristblades, plus armor, plus self-destruct device,..etc..etc..etc.
How the hell is he running around and not dropping shit or damaging anything or able to be as agile and quick as a predator usually is?
Hell even a B-Movie monster flick explanation would be enough for me, if it isn't laughable
Hey you can't diss Freddy vs Jason, it aknowledged from the begining exactly what kind of film it was and never tried to be anything more... pure popcorn cheese? Yes but immensely enjoyable with a few friends and a load of beers. ;) I now fully expect AVP-R to be the same boat as Freddy vs Jason. I'm pretty sure I'll sit around with the guys and we'll make crude remarks about tits and arse, laugh at stuff that isn't supposed to be funny, shout "OWNED" every time an alien dies and high-five eachother as we bask in the sheer badassary of Wolf.
Of course as entertaining as that may be, it's not what any of us will really want.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 08, 2007, 07:31:01 AM
Hey you can't diss Freddy vs Jason, it aknowledged from the begining exactly what kind of film it was and never tried to be anything more... pure popcorn cheese? Yes but immensely enjoyable with a few friends and a load of beers. ;) I now fully expect AVP-R to be the same boat as Freddy vs Jason. I'm pretty sure I'll sit around with the guys and we'll make crude remarks about tits and arse, laugh at stuff that isn't supposed to be funny, shout "OWNED" every time an alien dies and high-five eachother as we bask in the sheer badassary of Wolf.
Of course as entertaining as that may be, it's not what any of us will really want.
It will be a sad day if it is like that.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 08, 2007, 07:31:01 AM
Hey you can't diss Freddy vs Jason, it aknowledged from the begining exactly what kind of film it was and never tried to be anything more... pure popcorn cheese? Yes but immensely enjoyable with a few friends and a load of beers. ;) I now fully expect AVP-R to be the same boat as Freddy vs Jason. I'm pretty sure I'll sit around with the guys and we'll make crude remarks about tits and arse, laugh at stuff that isn't supposed to be funny, shout "OWNED" every time an alien dies and high-five eachother as we bask in the sheer badassary of Wolf.
Of course as entertaining as that may be, it's not what any of us will really want.
i know that freddy vs. jason was supposed to be what it was. (at least it was no jason x. lol) But the alien and predator films are on a higher tier of excellence than any freddy or jason film even when those films are done properly. Avp-r should not be in the same boat as the aforementioned film. It should not be a film, where people and their "drinking buddies" have to drink everytime there's a random alien killed effortlessly by the predator as if its a f**king steven seagal or chuck norris film. lol.
An AVP-R drinking game would be lethal;
Take a drink whenever Wolf does something "Badass" or "Awesome"
Take a drink whenever an alien dies effortlessly
Take a drink whenever someone laughs involuntarily at the predalien design
You'd be dead before you got half way through the movie.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 08, 2007, 07:43:14 AM
An AVP-R drinking game would be lethal;
Take a drink whenever Wolf does something "Badass" or "Awesome"
Take a drink whenever an alien dies effortlessly
Take a drink whenever someone laughs involuntarily at the predalien design
You'd be dead before you got half way through the movie.
;D
You could also play the "try not to vomit when the predalien imploys its mouth to mouth reproduction method" game as well.
Cirrhosis would definitely become an issue afterwards, at least for the hardier amongst us.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 08, 2007, 06:32:47 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 07, 2007, 11:34:33 PM
If the base causes conductive electricity, that will affect the acid causing the alien to turn into powder from the inside out.
I don't know about that, not entirely familiar with physics/chemsitry in that regard. lol.
but according to info on both these sites:
http://www.anchorpointessays.com/essays.html
http://www.serenadawn.com/Alien-TheCollectedEssays.htm
it seems that the aliens blood functions like a bio-electric "battery" of sorts, and the aliens internal structure is not damaged by the acidic "blood" it contains. It oxidizes after death, so the acidic reactivity is not merely inherent to the static properties of the fluid itself.
I'm not sure you can just cause a reaction indusive to electricity and then have it harm the aliens internal structure.
this was particularly interesting:
"This process of neutralization could indicate that the low pH levels are being maintained through a specific organ, or group of organs. In such a theory these organs could maintain a specific pH level through the controlled release of alkaline components into the blood stream - then once the organ ceased to function the pH levels may be able rise as this control is lost and the body floods with the neutralizing base"
So if a base is added to the aliens physiology, why would it react explosively? It seems it would only neutralize the acidity of the circulatory fluid that is called "blood" for the purposes of simplicity.
One thing that argument and both sites fail to adress is Alien blood completely dissolves things that acids
can't
What the stuff could be like quicklime (what kind of acid is that) used in some film to dissolve a body to get rid of the evidence.
The Predators probably got the stuff from the Aliens home world to do the same job, or it could be some kind of genetically engineered substance they discovered that can act with the aliens acid blood, or body fluids to make some kind of reaction that ends up destroying the Aliens whole genetic makeup completely..
Who's to know what kind of substances back on both Aliens homeoworld that is totally different to anything found here on Earth.
Quote from: Wolfs Girl on Nov 08, 2007, 08:08:49 AM
What the stuff could be like quicklime (what kind of acid is that) used in some film to dissolve a body to get rid of the evidence.
The Predators probably got the stuff from the Aliens home world to do the same job, or it could be some kind of genetically engineered substance they discovered that can act with the aliens acid blood, or body fluids to make some kind of reaction that ends up destroying the Aliens whole genetic makeup completely..
Who's to know what kind of substances back on both Aliens homeoworld that is totally different to anything found here on Earth.
Possibly the only sense making post that I have read from you.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 08, 2007, 07:31:01 AM
Hey you can't diss Freddy vs Jason, it aknowledged from the begining exactly what kind of film it was and never tried to be anything more... pure popcorn cheese? Yes but immensely enjoyable with a few friends and a load of beers. ;)
Can be very entertaining, yes. :) I like that film, because it's precisely what it was meant to be.
That said, I think the Briggs '
Freddy Versus Jason' script had some very interesting points which could have made it into more mature, but considering the source material, that was never particularly vital.
QuoteI now fully expect AVP-R to be the same boat as Freddy vs Jason. I'm pretty sure I'll sit around with the guys and we'll make crude remarks about tits and arse, laugh at stuff that isn't supposed to be funny, shout "OWNED" every time an alien dies and high-five eachother as we bask in the sheer badassary of Wolf.
Of course as entertaining as that may be, it's not what any of us will really want.
I'm taking the same view. If I go to see it, I'll probably just take the view of it being a generic monster film.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 08, 2007, 07:43:14 AM
An AVP-R drinking game would be lethal;
Take a drink whenever Wolf does something "Badass" or "Awesome"
Take a drink whenever an alien dies effortlessly
Take a drink whenever someone laughs involuntarily at the predalien design
You'd be dead before you got half way through the movie.
See! Said it could happen! :)
I'm finding this thread the funniest in a while, People are having Panic attacks over a Blue liquid.
When clearly an alien that can turn a man into a Egg and birth a face hugger is way past anything this movie has ever done, and way past being believable if you ask me. It was good because it was ALIEN, thats what these things are ALIEN! Earth bound explinations have no worth here. If they do, you have to apply it to the original movies also.
Short memory's? or another excuse to slag off AVPR? Probably a combination of both.
Now that Colin's revised it to something extremely ambiguous, I've got no problem with it, but maintain the gun could have been used for precisely the same thing. :)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PMThey can't be composed of acid because acid is a liquid. Aliens are clearly not made out of liquid. :)
Humans are 60%+ made up of water.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 07, 2007, 06:17:48 PMWhich leaves an awful lot which isn't.
What did you say, "Aliens are clearly not made out of liquid." My very valid point is you are made out of liquid and a majority of your body is in fact water. Not that water is all that is there surly not, but you are made out of liquid even though it isn't easily observable.
You said, "They can't be composed of acid because acid is a liquid." Water is in every living cell in your body. I don't think it's far of stretch that acid or whatever they have as a base of thier biology is in every living cell in their body.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 08, 2007, 01:51:09 PMNow that Colin's revised it to something extremely ambiguous, I've got no problem with it, but maintain the gun could have been used for precisely the same thing. :)
Ok you go and rip off Star Trek for your vaporizing plasma ray and let them rip of Blade for their blue liquid idea. Do you even know how much energy it would take to vaporize a corps? I'm not saying that it is a bad idea, but it definitely isn't anymore original or any less full of it.
::)
Well, in the first AVP, Scar used a special type of knife that the alien's blood couldn't burn through, to gut it to make some weapons for lex, so if the Predators were intelligent enough to make that, and guessing that they did millions of experiments on their homeworld, why couldn't they make the liquid?
Quote from: Rhaw on Nov 08, 2007, 02:08:41 PM
What did you say, "Aliens are clearly not made out of liquid." My very valid point is you are made out of liquid and a majority of your body is in fact water. Not that water is all that is there surly not, but you are made out of liquid even though it isn't easily observable.
Which does not refute my own point: An awful lot of the body is
not water. You could get rid of all the fluid in my body and I would look like an Egyptian mummified corpse.
My body would not vanish. :)
QuoteYou said, "They can't be composed of acid because acid is a liquid." Water is in every living cell in your body. I don't think it's far of stretch that acid or whatever they have as a base of thier biology is in every living cell in their body.
But they are not made up of pure acid. A substance like it just happens to circulate through them.
QuoteQuote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 08, 2007, 01:51:09 PM
Now that Colin's revised it to something extremely ambiguous, I've got no problem with it, but maintain the gun could have been used for precisely the same thing. :)
Ok you go and rip off Star Trek for your vaporizing plasma ray and let them rip of Blade for their blue liquid idea. Do you even know how much energy it would take to vaporize a corps? I'm not saying that it is a bad idea, but it definitely isn't anymore original or any less full of it.
::)
It's not ripping off '
Star Trek'. It's using what Predators
already have. All it would take would be a much larger 'bolt'. We know it's super-heated and if it's hot enough to be able to inflict damage on an Alien, then enough of it should also able to incinerate them.
I used the '
Blade 2' reference, because the main villain in that basically dissolved at the conclusion in a
blue light.
Quote from: Foundationman2 on Nov 08, 2007, 02:11:40 PM
Well, in the first AVP, Scar used a special type of knife that the alien's blood couldn't burn through, to gut it to make some weapons for lex, so if the Predators were intelligent enough to make that, and guessing that they did millions of experiments on their homeworld, why couldn't they make the liquid?
Dont get him xeno started up again, They probably didnt do any experiments, a ship crashed on pred land when they were sitting in caves and all the stuff fit them perfectly, so they figured out how to use it then flew off into the sunset in their new Ford Cruiser to hunt some aliens.......THE END :D
That would be awesome. Totally hilarious!!! I see a Spaceballs sequel...
Ya, of all the things to get worked up about, people complain about some chemical that the Predator carries around that reacts negatively to Aliens. Seriously, this isn't real life and people are treating as if it has to be explained. Never mind the film has science fiction creatures running around and doing impossible stuff already. I don't find it hard to believe that the Predator species created a substance that reacts violently when in contact with Aliens. Obviously in hunting them, the Predators learned a lot about their biology and created artificial methods of containment, in case of situations exactly like this.
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 08, 2007, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: Foundationman2 on Nov 08, 2007, 02:11:40 PM
Well, in the first AVP, Scar used a special type of knife that the alien's blood couldn't burn through, to gut it to make some weapons for lex, so if the Predators were intelligent enough to make that, and guessing that they did millions of experiments on their homeworld, why couldn't they make the liquid?
Dont get him xeno started up again, They probably didnt do any experiments, a ship crashed on pred land when they were sitting in caves and all the stuff fit them perfectly, so they figured out how to use it then flew off into the sunset in their new Ford Cruiser to hunt some aliens.......THE END :D
haha..
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 08, 2007, 02:47:30 PM
Dont get him xeno started up again, They probably didnt do any experiments, a ship crashed on pred land when they were sitting in caves and all the stuff fit them perfectly, so they figured out how to use it then flew off into the sunset in their new Ford Cruiser to hunt some aliens.......THE END :D
Hey, they're perfectly capable of any science they want
now. The masks let them see all sorts of vision modes
and magnify.
The only thing I've ever said is that we
don't know how they got kick-started on the more advanced technology, that's all. :)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 08, 2007, 04:44:37 PM
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 08, 2007, 02:47:30 PM
Dont get him xeno started up again, They probably didnt do any experiments, a ship crashed on pred land when they were sitting in caves and all the stuff fit them perfectly, so they figured out how to use it then flew off into the sunset in their new Ford Cruiser to hunt some aliens.......THE END :D
Hey, they're perfectly capable of any science they want now. The masks let them see all sorts of vision modes and magnify.
The only thing I've ever said is that we don't know how they got kick-started on the more technology, that's all. :)
Same could be said of Apes and cave men, now were flying space shuttles......
We dont know how the alien takes a sh*t, but i dont start up a debate on it...
Apes don't see purely in thermal, which is the main issue, but this is a debate taking place on a different place. :)
Maybe a molecular alkali? :P
Where does Wolf keep his 'magic blue liquid'?
And he needs alot to get rid of all those xeno bodies.
Whatever it is, it works.
QuoteApes don't see purely in thermal, which is the main issue, but this is a debate taking place on a different place
You're forgetting that Highlandpred has said in the past that just because infrared was used to portray the predator vision it doesn't actually mean that they use it. o_O Something along the lines of they see on some level of the electromagnetic spectrum that LOOKS like infrared but ISN'T infrared that we cant comprehend.
i'd call it.....sluckoo goop or xenomorph distingusher
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 08, 2007, 06:45:22 PM
You're forgetting that Highlandpred has said in the past that just because infrared was used to portray the predator vision it doesn't actually mean that they use it. o_O Something along the lines of they see on some level of the electromagnetic spectrum that LOOKS like infrared but ISN'T infrared that we can comprehend.
And just happened to be fooled by precisely the same countermeasures as used against Infra-Red. :D
i havent read the whole thread, so sry if i say something alredy said before
i was readign the part of the base, and if it wouldnt only neutralize the acid
an acid and a base would neutralzie each other by turnign into water, (HO- reacts with H+ and forms water, HO- is present in all bases and H+ is in all acids, or the oposite im not sure now...)
if the blood had any vital importance in the alien body (i dont think alien blood is just for defense, but could be the case since its an alien) then the blood would become pretty f**ked up and possibly enter in more chemical reactions with the rest of the alien organism.
this way alien dies.
by the alien meltign, i would say it destroys somehow the organsim self acid protection which would melt the alien from inside
maybe the blood becomes less saturated (cause of water forming) and loses pressure, somehow this leads to what i said before
its a good scientific explanation
Not sure f any ones mentioned this they probaly have but this blue liquid was seen in Predator 2 when he got he med-kit out and used a blue liquid to break down the wall. It might be very simular to that.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/images/films/predator2/predweapon16.jpg)
I didn't think of that. Nice. Maybe he was just trying to heal himself and the alien attacked him so he shoved it down its throat.
Quote from: Nightmare on Nov 08, 2007, 07:12:22 PM
if the blood had any vital importance in the alien body (i dont think alien blood is just for defense, but could be the case since its an alien) then the blood would become pretty f**ked up and possibly enter in more chemical reactions with the rest of the alien organism.
this way alien dies.
by the alien meltign, i would say it destroys somehow the organsim self acid protection which would melt the alien from inside
It's probably something that reacts with the aliens body to upset the balance making the blood kill the alien.
We have acid in our stomachs yet the body has its way of containing it. If that balance is upset, like stress or something then we get ulcers which is the acid burning through the protective wall. Perhaps that's how the blue liquid works against the alien.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 08, 2007, 07:54:05 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 08, 2007, 06:32:47 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 07, 2007, 11:34:33 PM
If the base causes conductive electricity, that will affect the acid causing the alien to turn into powder from the inside out.
I don't know about that, not entirely familiar with physics/chemsitry in that regard. lol.
but according to info on both these sites:
http://www.anchorpointessays.com/essays.html
http://www.serenadawn.com/Alien-TheCollectedEssays.htm
it seems that the aliens blood functions like a bio-electric "battery" of sorts, and the aliens internal structure is not damaged by the acidic "blood" it contains. It oxidizes after death, so the acidic reactivity is not merely inherent to the static properties of the fluid itself.
I'm not sure you can just cause a reaction indusive to electricity and then have it harm the aliens internal structure.
this was particularly interesting:
"This process of neutralization could indicate that the low pH levels are being maintained through a specific organ, or group of organs. In such a theory these organs could maintain a specific pH level through the controlled release of alkaline components into the blood stream - then once the organ ceased to function the pH levels may be able rise as this control is lost and the body floods with the neutralizing base"
So if a base is added to the aliens physiology, why would it react explosively? It seems it would only neutralize the acidity of the circulatory fluid that is called "blood" for the purposes of simplicity.
One thing that argument and both sites fail to adress is Alien blood completely dissolves things that acids can't
I would like to know specific examples, I've been rather curious about that.
I don't think that acid can burn through glass.
Quote from: Foundationman2 on Nov 13, 2007, 05:33:06 AM
I don't think that acid can burn through glass.
True. And Ripley did blow out that window on the Betty... but A:R doesn't count, right?
Course it does. Ripley's blood is less acidic than a normal Alien and easily made a meal of the window. Dunno if it was glass though.
Yet the Alien blood did diddly squat to the glass on the observation cell.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 08, 2007, 07:02:35 PM
And just happened to be fooled by precisely the same countermeasures as used against Infra-Red. :D
Covering yourself in mud doesn't make you invisible in infra-red ;)
Quote from: Foundationman2 on Nov 13, 2007, 05:33:06 AM
I don't think that acid can burn through glass.
When do we see Alien acid burn through something we know is glass?
And anyway, all we know about the Alien's blood is that it is "some kind of molecular acid". We have no info on specific properties.
Like molecular acid :P
Even better, then.
It's just a comparison, so their blood is not limited to the qualities of any particular acid someone cares to name.
is there any acid in real life that disolves metal as quick as in alien.
Quote from: bobcunk on Nov 13, 2007, 07:59:32 AM
is there any acid in real life that disolves metal as quick as in alien.
Im not sure...i wouldnt think so, but if there was what would be keep it in??
Quote from: PredatorBruth on Nov 13, 2007, 11:46:25 AM
Quote from: bobcunk on Nov 13, 2007, 07:59:32 AM
is there any acid in real life that disolves metal as quick as in alien.
Im not sure...i wouldnt think so, but if there was what would be keep it in??
A container coated or constructed with whatever counter-acts that acid... duh
Well what would counter-act that acid Einstein?
An acid that melts metal might not necessarily melt say for example fiber glass. Acid's properties react differently to different materials and metals are highly reactive to most acids, that's why the alien's acid melts through the ship's levels so fast.
Ridley probably took into consideration that the acid was unlike any weve seen or made on Earth, to show that this creature was unstoppable, to get you to wonder how they were going to kill it.
Anhydrous hydrofluoric acid can dissolve glass. There's nothing on Earth quite like the alien's blood though.
This blue liquid the wolf is going to use to get rid of any evidence that the aliens were ever there, does this mean in every scene when the wolf kills an alien he going to put the blue liquid on top of them?
Quote from: AVP66 on Nov 13, 2007, 03:20:18 PM
This blue liquid the wolf is going to use to get rid of any evidence that the aliens were ever there, does this mean in every scene when the wolf kills an alien he going to put the blue liquid on top of them?
They will probably show it once or twice. After that, I bet it will be cut so that Wolf is assumed to have done it, but it isn't shown.
If they did, that would suck. But I can't imagine that they would. I mean, If he were truly just cleaning up, I think that at the beginning of the movie that would be fine, but there's no way that Wolf can clean this up, unless he's got one of those memory-erasers from Men-in-Black.
Well you never know what other handy contraptions they have under their sleeves, right?
Why does the Wolf care if humans know about Aliens? I understand why he might want his own race hidden and that an outbreak of Aliens on earth would be poor species management, but why go through the trouble and if it is so important, why send only 1 cleaner?
This world may never know...
has any1 come up with a decent fan name for the blue liquid?
Deus ex machina?
Quote from: Danger Close on Nov 13, 2007, 08:41:13 PM
Why does the Wolf care if humans know about Aliens? I understand why he might want his own race hidden and that an outbreak of Aliens on earth would be poor species management, but why go through the trouble and if it is so important, why send only 1 cleaner?
Total speculation:
-He's the only "cleaner" that can get there in time.
-He's the only "cleaner" the Predators have, period.
-Wolf wants this to be his final hunt.
-Letting the aliens take over Earth would take away the most popular prey the Predators have.
-The Predators, against character, genuinely feel bad about letting an entire sentient species get wiped out from their screwup.
Take your pick.
I'd say it is that Predators like hunting humans. If a hunting reserve was plagued with disease, and you were a hunter, wouldn't you care?
Sure, but to say that they favor humans as prey out of all the animals they hunt is speculation. All we know is that they visit this planet frequently. That doesn't equate to them having favoritism for Earth. The trophy room clearly shows that they hunt many other lifeforms. Worse comes to worse, there's an entire universe filled with prey to hunt from; I doubt this would be the first planet overrun.
I'm not saying they don't try to clean planets of Alien infestations out of pride, but it's hard to argue that they do that specifically because they favor humans.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 13, 2007, 09:24:31 PM
Deus ex machina?
lol like he dreamed it?..... I can see it now, at the end of AvP-R, wolf just wakes up on his ship dreaming the whole encounter on earth to chet and they slug it out. That would be tight.
Quote from: megachu17 on Nov 13, 2007, 09:23:26 PM
has any1 come up with a decent fan name for the blue liquid?
"The Stuff"
lol, we could call it "xenocide"(lik pesticide...but for xenomorphs...)
not bad.
Quote from: PredatorBruth on Nov 13, 2007, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: megachu17 on Nov 13, 2007, 09:23:26 PM
has any1 come up with a decent fan name for the blue liquid?
"The Stuff"
Perfect. The Predators just added a blue dye, and voila!
One fu<king second here...there's blue liquid that dissolves aliens!?
:-X
Quote from: Gates on Nov 14, 2007, 03:56:35 AM
One fu<king second here...there's blue liquid that dissolves aliens!?
:-X
yeah, apparently the blue lliquid scene mentioned before has nothing to do with the medkit as i previously had assumed. Its supposed to be for disposing of the allien corpses to elilminate any evidence of them.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 04:18:55 AM
yeah, apparently the blue lliquid scene mentioned before has nothing to do with the medkit as i previously had assumed. Its supposed to be for disposing of the allien corpses to elilminate any evidence of them.
Yeah I remember that, I was with you on that one...but it seems we are not stupid and/or retarded enough to comprehend the brothers' intentions...surprise, surprise...
Quote from: Gates on Nov 14, 2007, 04:21:22 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 04:18:55 AM
yeah, apparently the blue lliquid scene mentioned before has nothing to do with the medkit as i previously had assumed. Its supposed to be for disposing of the allien corpses to elilminate any evidence of them.
Yeah I remember that, I was with you on that one...but it seems we are not stupid and/or retarded enough to comprehend the brothers' intentions...surprise, surprise...
And its sad really, as a scene where an alien catches wolf offguard while he is using the medkit and then has him use the blue liquid from predator 2 would have been much cooler than this lame ass idea. Far fetched too, i might add. As if he carries enough with him to eradicate all evidence of the aliens.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 04:25:36 AM
And its sad really, as a scene where an alien catches wolf offguard while he is using the medkit and then uses the blue liquid from predator 2 would have been much cooler than this lame ass idea.
Much fu<king better...and I was even going so far as to think they would have shown Wolf using a piece of an alien's outer shell, and melting it down with the blue sh!t to patch himself up...that would have been miles better as well...
QuoteFar fetched too, i might add. As if he carries enough with him to eradicate all evidence of the aliens.
Astronomically retarded is more like it...
Quote from: Gates on Nov 14, 2007, 04:34:15 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 04:25:36 AM
And its sad really, as a scene where an alien catches wolf offguard while he is using the medkit and then uses the blue liquid from predator 2 would have been much cooler than this lame ass idea.
Much fu<king better...and I was even going so far as to think they would have shown Wolf using a piece of an alien's outer shell, and melting it down with the blue sh!t to patch himself up...that would have been miles better as well...
QuoteFar fetched too, i might add. As if he carries enough with him to eradicate all evidence of the aliens.
Astronomically retarded is more like it...
I suppose it is that bad not just merely stretching believability. My choice of words were not strong enough I guess. I just hope that aren't any scenes where he's f**king around with the blue shit with dead aliens and some live ones attack him, which seems like its going to be the case.(if not its a strange choice to use as a weapon considering his other ones, considering there is no interrupted medkit etc.)
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 04:38:36 AM
I suppose it is that bad not just merely stretching believability. My choice of words were not strong enough I guess.
;D
QuoteI just hope that aren't any scenes where he's f**king around with the blue shit with dead aliens and some live ones attack him, which seems like its going to be the case.(if not its a strange choice to use as a weapon considering his other ones, considering there is no interrupted medkit etc.)
As if the predator doesn't have enough sh!t...
now, he has an acid-type weapon...how original... :-X
Quote from: Gates on Nov 14, 2007, 04:45:07 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 04:38:36 AM
I suppose it is that bad not just merely stretching believability. My choice of words were not strong enough I guess.
;D
QuoteI just hope that aren't any scenes where he's f**king around with the blue shit with dead aliens and some live ones attack him, which seems like its going to be the case.(if not its a strange choice to use as a weapon considering his other ones, considering there is no interrupted medkit etc.)
As if the predator doesn't have enough sh!t...now, he has an acid-type weapon...how original... :-X
I don't even want to know the bullshit excuse for why it's able to dissolve the aliens either. But I take it it's going to be stupid and convenient for the sake of the plot. Considering the aliens own acid blood can't damage them, how the hell is some hot blue liquid? lol. There's no f**king way its hotter than their blood.
Quote from: Danger Close on Nov 13, 2007, 08:41:13 PM
Why does the Wolf care if humans know about Aliens? I understand why he might want his own race hidden and that an outbreak of Aliens on earth would be poor species management, but why go through the trouble and if it is so important, why send only 1 cleaner?
Well one GOOD reason, humans get their hands on alien DNA, they will use it as a bio weapon, like they wanted in the first Alien film, and we can't have that!
And how do we know there is only one 'cleaner'? There is probably another ship on standby in orbit should he fail in his mission, as a back up, you'd think.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Nov 13, 2007, 06:55:30 AM
When do we see Alien acid burn through something we know is glass?
Kane's mask might count.
QuoteAnd anyway, all we know about the Alien's blood is that it is "some kind of molecular acid". We have no info on specific properties.
Did Bishop specifically mention that term, during the analysis thing?
Quote from: PredatorBruth on Nov 13, 2007, 11:46:25 AM
Im not sure...i wouldnt think so, but if there was what would be keep it in??
Teflon? :)
Quote from: Danger Close on Nov 13, 2007, 08:41:13 PM
Why does the Wolf care if humans know about Aliens? I understand why he might want his own race hidden and that an outbreak of Aliens on earth would be poor species management, but why go through the trouble
Probably because of all the scientific advances we could discover from them.
And because Predators love canon. :)
Quoteand if it is so important, why send only 1 cleaner?
Well, an analogy was made with Terminators, but I would imagine sending an autonomous, military-grade killing machine back in time to eliminate an untrained, unaware, unarmed young waitress is a much easier proposition than being tasked with the destruction of an entire new Alien nest.
Quote from: Gates on Nov 14, 2007, 04:21:22 AM
Yeah I remember that, I was with you on that one...but it seems we are not stupid and/or retarded enough to comprehend the brothers' intentions...surprise, surprise...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy18%2Fxenomorphine%2FAVPSpringerCanon.jpg&hash=d46ed5c4198232dd95106f5124d03538f72eeaa1)
...because Wolf is really a Cyborg Predator
;D
One thing I thought about the blue liquid is that it could be like those chemical weapons, where a tiny amount can wipe out a lot of people in a fairly large area, so a few vials of the stuff might be enough to clean up. The scene mentioned where he jams a vial into an Alien's mouth could be an act of desperation, as I doubt he's going to walk around forcing vials into thousands of individual creature's mouths, there's no way that could work.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 14, 2007, 07:52:53 AM
Did Bishop specifically mention that term, during the analysis thing?
Dallas mentioned that it was the only thing he'd seen similar to the Alien's blood.
I was right:
"The molecular acid oxidises after the creature's death, completely neutralising it."
Well whadya know, Cambo actually gave a shit about what was said in the previous movie for once!
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 14, 2007, 07:52:53 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Nov 13, 2007, 06:55:30 AM
When do we see Alien acid burn through something we know is glass?
Kane's mask might count.
My point was that we have no idea if the 'glass' we see in the Alien universe is actually glass or some other kind of transparent material. Consider the 'glass' that Ripley tries to smash in MedLab, or the 'glass' that one of Gediman's Aliens strikes with its tongue.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 14, 2007, 08:47:41 AM
Well whadya know, Cambo actually gave a shit about what was said in the previous movie for once!
Aww, c'mon ya grinch.
Jimmy paid more attention to the previous film than any of the sequels have bothered to.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 14, 2007, 08:46:29 AM
I was right:
"The molecular acid oxidises after the creature's death, completely neutralising it."
Another mistake by Anderson and Co. In AVP, Scar demonstrates that their acid can't burn themselves, but it can burn the floor. The alien was dead, and so was the facehugger that scar used to mark himself. Careless.
Bishop offers no absolute timeframe as to when the acid neutralises, so you'll have to go back to the usual Anderson-bashing routine, sorry.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Nov 14, 2007, 02:40:53 PM
Bishop offers no absolute timeframe as to when the acid neutralises, so you'll have to go back to the usual Anderson-bashing routine, sorry.
he said upon the creatures death the blood oxidizes, neutralizing it.
Quote from: Foundationman2 on Nov 14, 2007, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 14, 2007, 08:46:29 AM
I was right:
"The molecular acid oxidises after the creature's death, completely neutralising it."
Another mistake by Anderson and Co. In AVP, Scar demonstrates that their acid can't burn themselves, but it can burn the floor. The alien was dead, and so was the facehugger that scar used to mark himself. Careless.
yeah its kind of contradictory, but its in the comics and that's where Paul Anderson got it from. Just forgot to check if it contradicted shit he/or shane salerno made up.
The reason why their blood can't burn themselves though, has nothing to do with their death or oxidizing etc., their exoskeleton/internal structure has to be resilient enough and made of tissue that their blood does not react to or else it would burn through their veins. And oh yes it is hot when inside their bodies.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Nov 14, 2007, 02:40:53 PM
Bishop offers no absolute timeframe as to when the acid neutralises, so you'll have to go back to the usual Anderson-bashing routine, sorry.
he said upon the creatures death the blood oxidizes, neutralizing it.
No kiddin'?!
What is it about his wording that makes you think it's instantaneous?
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Nov 14, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
Jimmy paid more attention to the previous film than any of the sequels have bothered to.
Definitely. They even reconstructed the entirety of the shuttle without the assistance of blueprints. Not many people notice, but even the harpoon gun is by the airlock. :)
And yeah, there's no reference of time for the acid stuff. It's probably 'soon' after, but has to rely on whatever internal body chemistry is causing it to cycle down, first.
the nostromo facehugger was dead for a good while and still bled for effect.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Nov 14, 2007, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Nov 14, 2007, 02:40:53 PM
Bishop offers no absolute timeframe as to when the acid neutralises, so you'll have to go back to the usual Anderson-bashing routine, sorry.
he said upon the creatures death the blood oxidizes, neutralizing it.
No kiddin'?!
What is it about his wording that makes you think it's instantaneous?
ok, calm down. But it should be a few moments after death, but i guess you would have the last remnants of acid already in the veins spill out before being neutralized. Mainly from the wound/incision.etc.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 15, 2007, 12:03:15 AM
the nostromo facehugger was dead for a good while and still bled for effect.
It wasn't dead when they cut the leg while it was still on kane's face. So I don't know what your referring to.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 15, 2007, 12:24:10 AM
ok, calm down. But it should be a few moments after death, but i guess you would have the last remnants of acid already in the veins spill out before being neutralized. Mainly from the wound/incision.etc.
I'm quite calm, thanks.
A few moments makes little sense, and is not backed up by the films anyway. A few
minutes I could buy though. The same few minutes it took for the tiny drip to stop eating through the decks of the Nostromo...and even then, it seems to stop mostly due to dispersal rather than neutralisation.
whats so crazy about this? I can add shit to acid and watch it do some gay things (neutralise). Im sure there is some substance out there that can neutralise and deconstruct acid somehow, maybe turn it into oxygen and hydroxide ions? doesn't seem all that farfetched to me, condering the alien acid may catalyse reaction and by how advanced the race is. I wouldn't be suprised if they constructed a small black hole to remove their waste. There super advanced civilisation remember?
So advanced they get killed by trees, and get punked by overworked overwieght cops on their way to retirement.
I think of the unknown publicum... those who going in AVP2 to watch something cool, but they are no fans of it directly...
during the film, they must see a lot of different weapons wolf is using to kill aliens... and then he uses his blue-liquid thing... i mean they must think, whaat! whats this... why it completely melt aliens and why then, he uses it not as primary weapon...
i mean the brothers said that it is to clean up, but how could the none-fan people know of that?!
they will be very confused... i think
i don't know why everybody is going crazy over this... It's an alien liquid, so it can be made up of anything of the imagination. You can say this doesn't apply to science, but only doesn't apply to science of this world. Not another. Can you really say that all the elements in the universe exist on Earth? Of course not. In Predator 2, the spear was made up of elements not of this world. So, in theory, the liquid could be made up of something so different and advanced, it could make aliens dissolve into water or whatever.... That's why Science fiction is so great. Everything can be explained by it being alien.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 15, 2007, 08:01:47 AM
So advanced they get killed by trees, and get punked by overworked overwieght cops on their way to retirement.
Hey, you can be advanced as shit, but there's still room for making stupid mistakes like understimating your prey and being too confident of the outcome...which both were.
Quote from: JMR on Nov 15, 2007, 09:39:06 AM
i don't know why everybody is going crazy over this... It's an alien liquid, so it can be made up of anything of the imagination. You can say this doesn't apply to science, but only doesn't apply to science of this world. Not another. Can you really say that all the elements in the universe exist on Earth? Of course not. In Predator 2, the spear was made up of elements not of this world. So, in theory, the liquid could be made up of something so different and advanced, it could make aliens dissolve into water or whatever.... That's why Science fiction is so great. Everything can be explained by it being alien.
Exactly.For exapmle, all the elements on the periodic table are only of what we know of that exists on our planet and what we know of, yet its a huge universe out there, room for any possibilities (It's that big), there are so many substances that we don't even know of, so you can say that anything is possible.
Remember when they took one of those flying dart thing to the pathologist, she said its like nothing on the periodic table, so the blue liquid could have properties we don't have a clue about.
Hello all!
Whipping myself into a frenzy getting ready for this movie... I rewatched Predator 2, and noticed an interesting AvP:R connection.
When the Pred from P2 heals himself, he utilizes dry wall over an open flame... ALONG WITH A VIAL OF BLUE LIQUID. When poured on the concoction, it causes the dry wall to flame up bright blue and dissolve into a blue jelly.
Take into consideration the fact that reports of the convention footage mentioned a vial of blue liquid used to dissolve the spacecraft (as well as an attacking xenomorph), and (judging from the YouTube videos) the dissolution of Yautja technology in the AvP:R PSP game the seems to DISSaPPEAR IN A BRIGHT BLUE FLAME.
Coincidence? I think not. Those Strauss Bros... they know what they're doing. I'd bet a copious amount of cash that this is intended to be the same miracle juice used in P2.
~ Cutch
This was brought up once before in another topic right after Comic Con. Some of us speculated that it was the same substance, but obvioulsy the vial of liquid in P2 was less potent than the ones used in AVP-R. It might be a connection or just coincidence.
Well, what really drove it home for me were the PSP videos, and the way - FOOF! - things just go up in smoke.
You might be on to something there. That's funny though, cuz I just watched "Predator 2" the other night myself. Cheers for "AVP Requiem"!
You really should see in some other topics about that blue liquid.
It's really interesting to read about it. ;)
Topics now merged.
I hope the process where it dissolves them is awesome, or sequence rather.
Writhing and bubbling and shit
Quote from: Internecivus Raptus on Nov 19, 2007, 04:25:16 PM
I hope the process where it dissolves them is awesome, or sequence rather.
Writhing and bubbling and shit
Agreed..I hope it's not just a cheesy cgi cop-out, I want to see more. ;)
Probably designed to react with chemicals that are present in the alien's physiology that allows it to destroy the corpses.
It's unlikely that any form of acid would have an effect on the alien
Quote from: Kriszilla on Nov 19, 2007, 06:31:43 PM
Probably designed to react with chemicals that are present in the alien's physiology that allows it to destroy the corpses.
It's unlikely that any form of acid would have an effect on the alien
I believe that we've already been over this, about ten pages back in this same topic.
Quote from: Foundationman2 on Nov 19, 2007, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: Kriszilla on Nov 19, 2007, 06:31:43 PM
Probably designed to react with chemicals that are present in the alien's physiology that allows it to destroy the corpses.
It's unlikely that any form of acid would have an effect on the alien
I believe that we've already been over this, about ten pages back in this same topic.
LOL, you be right there. Talk about history repeating itself over and over...
What the hell is that blue liquid stuff.
It burns everying. Anyone know what it it?
Liquid deus ex machina.
in p2 city hunter used the blue liquid during the medikit scene. it burned everything (not disolved). Guess every liquid in the predator gear must have ocean blue tint to contrast with it's blood, because it looks cool or something :D
i thought it was cool though.
I didn't like the blue liquid stuff. I mean yeah the Predator uses that to wipe out the trace of the aliens but then skins a human 15 foot in the air ten seconds later. Not much thought went into that did it?
yeah but skinning the guy didn't leave the humans anyclues about the pred just some "crazy guy must of done it"
So? If the police found a chestbursted corpse they'd go "Hmmm looks like it exploded from the inside..." and that would be it. It's not as if a bursted corpse could lead them to any real conclusions about Aliens or Predators.
i didnt actually mind the blue liquid, the effects could have been better though
Quote from: SiL on Jan 18, 2008, 10:32:51 PM
Liquid deus ex machina.
Oh come one now...it's just predtech ;)
Quote from: Andrew127 on Jan 19, 2008, 12:27:43 AM
but then skins a human 15 foot in the air ten seconds later. Not much thought went into that did it?
agreed... that secuqnes was just one of the recopys in the film...
like the cant invent anything new... except predalien reproductive method wich i think is nice refreshment in the series
Quote from: Andrew127 on Jan 19, 2008, 12:27:43 AM
I didn't like the blue liquid stuff. I mean yeah the Predator uses that to wipe out the trace of the aliens but then skins a human 15 foot in the air ten seconds later. Not much thought went into that did it?
There's no contradiction there. As we learn from Alien Resurrection, it's possible to extract Alien DNA from the body or corpse of a host, so it's rather important that both the alien and host corpses are disposed of. There's very little that could be extracted from the skinned ranger, and certainly not anything of the same catastrophic potential.
as only human killed by pred on purpose(not to warn the others) i think it is only a failed recreation of horror shown in p1...
Quote from: The Necronoir on Jan 19, 2008, 04:06:22 AM
Quote from: Andrew127 on Jan 19, 2008, 12:27:43 AM
I didn't like the blue liquid stuff. I mean yeah the Predator uses that to wipe out the trace of the aliens but then skins a human 15 foot in the air ten seconds later. Not much thought went into that did it?
There's no contradiction there. As we learn from Alien Resurrection, it's possible to extract Alien DNA from the body or corpse of a host, so it's rather important that both the alien and host corpses are disposed of. There's very little that could be extracted from the skinned ranger, and certainly not anything of the same catastrophic potential.
It does indicate that he absolutely SUCKS at erasing the evidence of his people, since he leaves some pretty big evidence dangling in the trees to show people that he's in town.
but above comments explaint it... u cant get any relations with skinned body and aliens and pred technology...
but it dosent explain why pred do that even he was on "cleaning" misson
and i liked the blue liquid concept but it is poorly developted....
it stands there like another weapon in avp games
besides it does not make any sanes... dissolving cheast busted bodys if there where developed to eradicate only alien traces (sewer scene, wood scene, , mmm i like he spill just a bit blue liquid in pool and it become boiling)
ok so blue llquis has something to do with the aliens as it dissolves only alien and a creatures/objects whose been in contact with alien
I thought it dissolved everything it came into contact with.
The blue liquid is the Predator version of "yellow snow".
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 19, 2008, 05:41:27 AM
I thought it dissolved everything it came into contact with.
It's interesting to note that it doesn't dissolve the earthen ground of the forest - just the bodies of the facehugger and hunter/son combo.
"Watch out where the huskies go, and dont you eat that yellow snow" Frank Zappa
Quote from: The Necronoir on Jan 19, 2008, 04:06:22 AM
Quote from: Andrew127 on Jan 19, 2008, 12:27:43 AM
I didn't like the blue liquid stuff. I mean yeah the Predator uses that to wipe out the trace of the aliens but then skins a human 15 foot in the air ten seconds later. Not much thought went into that did it?
There's no contradiction there. As we learn from Alien Resurrection, it's possible to extract Alien DNA from the body or corpse of a host, so it's rather important that both the alien and host corpses are disposed of. There's very little that could be extracted from the skinned ranger, and certainly not anything of the same catastrophic potential.
Yeah I agree with that statement to a degree. I just noticed that: A) Time must be important in cleaning up an alien outbreak but Wolf has time to skin people B) Surely Wolf would rather go unnoticed in his time on earth in terms of human awareness of him. And C) Its not like that dude was any kind of trophy or worthy kill. It just seemed to me that the whole sequence created to many contradictions to the plot and Wolfs motifs.
obviously the guy had to die since he saw Wolf uncloaked, so maybe since he killed him anyway he just couldn't resist an old school skinning real quick!
And ya i thought the blue liquid was part of the medkit when he was first gearing up
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 19, 2008, 05:19:03 AM
It does indicate that he absolutely SUCKS at erasing the evidence of his people, since he leaves some pretty big evidence dangling in the trees to show people that he's in town.
he DOES NOT suck at covering his tracks. Wolf did that to warn the humans of any future encroachments. and the best part was that the humans did not know what they were facing. end of story.
EH?
Quotehe DOES NOT suck at covering his tracks. Wolf did that to warn the humans of any future encroachments. and the best part was that the humans did not know what they were facing. end of story.
That is a crock of shit and you know it.
Woulld the humans know what they were dealing with when they found the corpse of Buddy and Sam? NO of course not but he destroys their corpses anyway because he is removing
every trace no matter how small. Leaving a skinned body hanging around is a pretty big "PREDATOR WOZ 'ERE!" sign if you ask me.
About half way through the film he just stops "cleaning" altogether and leaves evidence laying around all over the place, because it is obviously a task that is far beyond the capability of 1 Predator to handle.
BUt hez teh uber 1337 pred!!111! ::)
I know they wanted to throw back to the originals and all, but I mean, it doesn't really fit here. Even if hes not tring to rid of all evidence (which he was, but for arguments sake lets say he wasn't) he should know he only has so much time before the aliens spread and grow out of control...but he takes the time to skin the bodies?
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 19, 2008, 02:20:38 PM
BUt hez teh uber 1337 pred!!111! ::)
I know they wanted to throw back to the originals and all, but I mean, it doesn't really fit here. Even if hes not tring to rid of all evidence (which he was, but for arguments sake lets say he wasn't) he should know he only has so much time before the aliens spread and grow out of control...but he takes the time to skin the bodies?
Crom told me that the whole point of the skinned body was to let the
audience know that he's not here to make friends or team up with anyone.
Also, it doesn't attract attention to him because no one knows what the hell a predator is. Because after that he goes to the sewers to finish the job which was supposed to be the end of it. Of course it wasn't.
As I have stated twice now, no one knows or undestands what a chestbursted corpse is either but he still disolves them, plus the dead bully in the school swimming pool. As long as the Aliens themselves were disolved they would forever remain unsolved mysteries.
QuoteIt does indicate that he absolutely SUCKS at erasing the evidence of his people, since he leaves some pretty big evidence dangling in the trees to show people that he's in town.
I belive that he was on a mission erasing evidence of the
aliens, thats why he blew the ship up, the ship had pretty much evidence in it that the aliens existed.
I only wonder what he would have done when he had killed all the aliens, would he started to focus on the town and the people in it.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Jan 19, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
As I have stated twice now, no one knows or undestands what a chestbursted corpse is either but he still disolves them, plus the dead bully in the school swimming pool. As long as the Aliens themselves were disolved they would forever remain unsolved mysteries.
Anything related to the alien goes. chestbursted corpses, facehuggers, ect. He doesn't care if people wouldn't understand it or not.
But by the time he gets to the morgue with all the chestbursted corpses he pretty much is after Chet, and doesn't care anymore. The mission is a bust by that point and getting Chet is a main priority.
If you watch the medkit scene again its pretty obvious as he's fixing himself up and can hear the shit hitting the fan in the background that he's not going home this time.
Wolf wasn't a perfect Predator by any means. I don't think he ever faced a predalien before to be honest.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Jan 19, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
As I have stated twice now, no one knows or undestands what a chestbursted corpse is either but he still disolves them, plus the dead bully in the school swimming pool. As long as the Aliens themselves were disolved they would forever remain unsolved mysteries.
Yes, lots of continuity problems in the film.
My answer to the question. Strengthened alien blood?
QuoteYes, lots of continuity problems in the film.
My answer to the question. Strengthened alien blood?
Yeah, I don't see why it couldn't have been acid from the alien. :)
Why it's blue might be because of some chemical put in.
Quote from: Andrew127 on Jan 19, 2008, 12:27:43 AM
I didn't like the blue liquid stuff. I mean yeah the Predator uses that to wipe out the trace of the aliens but then skins a human 15 foot in the air ten seconds later. Not much thought went into that did it?
When he killed the cop he was on the hunt. His adrenaline was raging and probley remembers nothing more than red blurs. Although predators may be smart they still have a very savage, primal side. It went from buisness to pleasure in ten seconds.
QuoteWhen he killed the cop he was on the hunt. His adrenaline was raging and probley remembers nothing more than red blurs. Although predators may be smart they still have a very savage, primal side. It went from buisness to pleasure in ten seconds
Well, if you catch a cleaner in action eraseing evidence, I'll think he wouldn't let you walk away from the scene...
And why the hell did the predator only use the blue liquid as a weapon to kill a single allien(he feeds the capsule it into its mouth)?
Could he have not just smashed a capsule of it over the predalien's head and be done with it?
Could he not of used the liquid capsules as bullets in a gun of some sort to fire it at aliens or the end of spear so the capsule smashed as he stabed the alien?
it seems clear it was his strongest means of attack ;)
yeah, I wondered the same thing. Best I could figure is that A) He only had so much of it and B) didn't want to risk any splashing on him.
It looked to me that the blue stuff never seemed to empty
Yeah, a lot seemed to be coming out, but there was always more.
And remeber billy don't ever drink blue pred juice.......or yellow snow
Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Jan 19, 2008, 06:43:27 PM
My answer to the question. Strengthened alien blood?
Alien blood has been shown to eat through metal floors of ships and colonies. This stuff doesn't even affect dirt, grass and mud. It's very oddly selective.