Poll
Question:
Do you consider the AVP movies canon?
Option 1: Yes, to the Alien universe only
votes: 0
Option 2: Yes, to the Predator universe only
votes: 4
Option 3: Yes, to both universes
votes: 24
Option 4: No I do not consider the AVP movies canon
votes: 48
What do you guys think?
I vote no.
They don't really fit well into Alien continuity and it has no impact of the Predator continuity whatsoever, you could pretty much ignore them and you'd miss nothing. So I lean towards no.
I treat all films canon.
It was filmed with the intent of being a sidesquel type thing with no continuity with the original films.
I consider AvP its own universe separate from both franchises.
To me it's the equivalent of counting the Star Wars holiday special as canon.
Nope. They're trash
No,both movies have been sidelined so it is retconned.
Considering that Fox, according to Tristan Jones anyway, still has the films on their canon list... I'm going to say that they are a canon. Yes, I said A canon, as in they are a branching, divergent canon from the whole Prometheus thing which is going on, and the PREDATORS - The Predator thing which is going on.
Simply put, you might as well start looking at canon like how the Godzilla franchise treats it's canon. It probably ultimately doesn't really matter in the end of the grand scheme of things. Nothing seems to be tied down.
So are they canon... Technically... Yes.. And I count them as such but I see them as a branching, divergent thing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 20, 2016, 07:32:25 AM
It was filmed with the intent of being a sidesquel type thing with no continuity with the original films.
I remember Anderson saying that it was a sequel to Predator 2, and that it was a prequel to the Alien films but that AVP was more or less a stand alone franchise. That it wasn't going to replace either the Alien or Predator franchises, and that'd he'd love to see a Predator 3 with Arnie, and an Alien 5 with Sigourney.
As for there being no continuity... well... I think there was an intention to have it be in continuity more so with Predator. I remember that Anderson was trying to get Arnold to be in the movie, but Arnold said that only if he lost the governor election of 2004. Also, I remember there was a draft script where Lex was greeted by Dutch, and then snatched by the arm for interrogation.
P, P2
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AVP, AVP:R
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A, As, A³, AR
Simple.
Kelgaard... where are PREDATORS and Prometheus?
Those films had no influence on the AVP series, having been made afterwards.
Until a reboot happens, they are likely canon though because I, like the rest of you probably wish it wasn't so.
Yes & no. It wanted to be, certainly, with the inclusion of Weyland. I've always associated them with the Predator franchise. Both films are about Predators, or a Predator. Also, one of AvPR's lone bright spots was the inclusion of OWLF.
While technically I don't, I still include them in a marathon in a certain spot.
Predator -> Predator 2 -> AvP -> AvP: Requiem -> Predators -> Prometheus -> Alien -> Aliens -> Alien3 -> Alien Resurrection
So I consider them marathon canon, but then again I sometimes throw Firefly and Serenity between Alien3 and Alien Resurrection, so that doesn't count for much.
No, never. I actually try to pretend they don't exist even in the real world.
Yes, because the films are canon.
No. They take a huge shit all over the series continuity
They are also just plain dumb & make the Alien franchise look like kid stuff.
Then again, so does Alien Resurrection but that's maybe not canon anymore either if Blomkamp gets his way. (& I hope he does! [emoji851] M'huay)
Of course they're canon. Fox released 'em. They're Official. They're canon.
Quote from: Alien64 on Aug 04, 2016, 01:57:39 AM
They are also just plain dumb & make the Alien franchise look like kid stuff.
Exactly the same thing can be said about old Kenner action figures, comic books and video games - regardless of how popular they are. They're all still official releases and canon as far as I am concerned.
Quote from: Alien64 on Aug 04, 2016, 01:57:39 AMThen again, so does Alien Resurrection but that's maybe not canon anymore either if Blomkamp gets his way. (& I hope he does! [emoji851] M'huay)
It's still canon right now. Even if Blomkamp does go ahead with his Project, 'ALIEN: Resurrection' is still an official release and will be considered 'Alternate Canon', just like some comics and - if you like - the 'AvP' movies.
By recognising everything Fox
officially releases - whether it be good or not - as canon is the way to hold them accountable for quality and consistency. You can't just say 'It's shit therefore it's not canon'. Opinions, ironically, mean jack shit as far as Fox is concerned. They'll release what they feel is appropriate. If it bombs, the onus is on them. Where it belongs.
-Windebieste.
And yet, you know perfectly well that's not how it works. Or has ever worked.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 20, 2016, 07:32:25 AM
It was filmed with the intent of being a sidesquel type thing with no continuity with the original films.
Really? Is this a fact? Why go to the effort of having Charles Weyland played by the Lance Henriksen? ANd then in the second film, why set up the Yutani intrigue at the end? It seems they were intended to be continuity but then,,, well, they sucked.
I voted to keep them in the Predator universe but now I kind of wish I just voted no completely.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 04, 2016, 02:23:29 AM
Of course they're canon. Fox released 'em. They're Official. They're canon.
Quote from: Alien64 on Aug 04, 2016, 01:57:39 AM
They are also just plain dumb & make the Alien franchise look like kid stuff.
Exactly the same thing can be said about old Kenner action figures, comic books and video games - regardless of how popular they are. They're all still official releases and canon as far as I am concerned.
Quote from: Alien64 on Aug 04, 2016, 01:57:39 AMThen again, so does Alien Resurrection but that's maybe not canon anymore either if Blomkamp gets his way. (& I hope he does! [emoji851] M'huay)
It's still canon right now. Even if Blomkamp does go ahead with his Project, 'ALIEN: Resurrection' is still an official release and will be considered 'Alternate Canon', just like some comics and - if you like - the 'AvP' movies.
By recognising everything Fox officially releases - whether it be good or not - as canon is the way to hold them accountable for quality and consistency. You can't just say 'It's shit therefore it's not canon'. Opinions, ironically, mean jack shit as far as Fox is concerned. They'll release what they feel is appropriate. If it bombs, the onus is on them. Where it belongs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRLAg6NKv0Y
-Windebieste.
You're comparing in-universe canon with official licensed product canon.
Sure everything is canonical to itself, but they are no longer a part of the official timeline. There are plenty of the old Dark Horse comics I love & they aren't either. AVP has been great in every medium except film.
I don't feel it's a slight to anyone, just better to keep the wheat separate from the chaff.
"Re: Do you consider the AVP movies canon?"
Short answer: No
Where's the "Canon to the Alien vs Predator universe only" option? I consider the series a completely separate and self contained knock off of both the aliens and predator franchises but nothing that happens in avp is canon to either property. However canon in itself is already a meaningless debate. Canon is only meaningful if one has sole ownership. Nowadays, everything is muddled.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2016, 11:58:05 AM
Where's the "Canon to the Alien vs Predator universe only" option? I consider the series a completely separate and self contained knock off of both the aliens and predator franchises but nothing that happens in avp is canon to either property. However canon in itself is already a meaningless debate. Canon is only meaningful if one has sole ownership. Nowadays, everything is muddled.
My thoughts exactly :)
Well. Yes i absolutely believe that The avp films should be shot out of a cannon. ..because anderson f**ks up everything he touches. Setting up avp 2 to be equally Shitty. . Both have good concepts in them . Predator homeworld/yutani. .. i cant think of ashit for the first one. .. as i hate everything about it. From the way the predator flails around like an idiot while leaping . To swinging an alien around by its tail. To how my filmaker friend sat next to me squealing in glee at everything i hated. .. i forgot my point. .. if i ever had one at all. .. a severely edited version of both movies exist. Cutting each down to something 40 minutes. Making them into predator chronicles episodes That was watchable.
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I think the fact that not only was there a swarm of fully developed Xenos, an Alien Queen and a completely different species of Alien, all on Earth 118 years before the events of the Nostromo, it kind of trivialises the discovery of the crew in the vast darkness of space. Part of Alien is a cautionary tale about how venturing into the unknown can have disastrous results.
Canon, in my opinion, should be sometimes subjective, rather than be at the hands of some exec trying to control a franchise. I saw fans of the Star Wars books being outraged when they were told that the books that they loved and invested so much time on were no longer considered canon. If you love the source material, by all means keep thinking of it as canon!
The said can be said when it goes the other way. When I first heard about AVP, I was dismayed when I heard Paul WS Anderson was directing. Mortal Kombat was silly fun, but not to be taken seriously. Event Horizon I enjoyed, and it was obviously because of this movie that he was handed the AVP rights. But even the premise is not something a big name director would pick up even based on it's name alone. Seeing it was getting a PG-13 rating told me that this movie was not made for me, but a younger audience, and horror and gore would be sacrificed to be replaced with tame monster mash action. This was confirmed when I saw it in the cinema. After it had finished I remember wishing the film would bomb, because I had a lot of fears that this would become the direction for future Alien titles. The film is very much like a video game - There is a backstory briefing, they enter the temple, it is split into levels, fights take place one after the other in escalating difficulty, and Lex gets a weapon upgrade before facing off with the final boss. It could be argued that this was based on the PC titles and praise it's adaption, but to me it isn't an Alien or a Predator movie and feels more like a product to make money.
If Alien 5 were to use the plot device that Aliens are on Earth because of the discovery of an Alien Queen on the ocean floor of Antarctica, I would be outraged. AVP is a stand alone franchise for me, the same way I look at the Ewok movies and the Star Wars franchise - Lesser talented directors being given rights to produce something with a known and loved movie name to make a quick buck. They don't reach the same levels of quality, get mediocre reviews and the audience knows that they are being sold an inferior product. This happened recently with the painfully average new Ghostbusters film.
I used to wish Alien 3 wasn't canon. The death of Hick and Newt was painful, making the whole significance of what happens in Aliens redundant. But over the years the film seems to have matured like a fine wine. I remember thinking what a depressing experience Ripley's final movie was; Dark, flea infested and industrial. Ripley had horrible bleak final moments, her death didn't seem to hold much gravitas, dying pretty much alone, surrounded only by faceless soldiers and a prison inmate. Even a glimpse of her old friend Bishop turned out to be another deception. But when I watch it now, I do appreciate the film, especially with the director's cut. But I know it is these irks from the fans that has led to 3 and 4 being scrapped in favour of a continuing story from Aliens.
Long story short: Decide for yourself what you consider canon. If you love AVP then by all means include it with Ripley, Dutch and Co.
Quote from: Bughunter S. Thomson on Sep 08, 2016, 05:11:52 PM
Long story short: Decide for yourself what you consider canon. If you love AVP then by all means include it with Ripley, Dutch and Co.
I heartily agree with this, I wish more people thought like this too.
QuoteCanon, in my opinion, should be sometimes subjective, rather than be at the hands of some exec trying to control a franchise.
Those creating content in the franchise need a common point of reference however.
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2016, 08:32:51 PM
QuoteCanon, in my opinion, should be sometimes subjective, rather than be at the hands of some exec trying to control a franchise.
Those creating content in the franchise need a common point of reference however.
It is a copyrighted material that belongs to Fox, so they have right to dictate what is an official continuity of their story. Other than that, everybody has a right to, and is capable of coming up with their own head canon as it were.
For me, the AVP films work with the Predator films and all the Aliens films, but not the Prometheus film. My Prometheus canon includes Prometheus and Alien and Aliens. I just think that the hokey inclusion of Bishop II in Alien 3 on some level jives with The Weyland character in AVP.
I do consider AVP canon even though there are contradictions between it and the Alien movies. Have my own headcanon running in here. On the other hand I cannot say the same for AVP-R. That's somewhere in an alternate universe pretending it never happened since the ending didn't seem to help much to the overall timeline.
No they are not canon because Prometheus has since retconned the origins of the Weyland Corporation. Those who argue they can somehow co-exist are just drowning in their own desperation. It also doesn't really matter what Fox officially releases either. Canon relies upon consistent continuity as much as anything else. Alien 3 and Blomkamp's film if it ever gets made cannot both be canon. Either Alien 3 is retconned out of existence (in a story sense) or Alien 5 is marketed from the get go as an irrelevant what-if sequel.
The AVP films are alternate reality now, thank the lord.
Whatever you say dude. You are the BATMAN after all.
@Randomizer
Shame on me, I'll go whip myself as repentance.
How dare you say (the) BATMAN without capital letters !?
EDIT: Am I that dominant? :laugh:
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Sep 09, 2016, 09:09:13 PM
No they are not canon because Prometheus has since retconned the origins of the Weyland Corporation..
Which is good, because having Bishop be Weyland made no sense.
The AvP movies are an insult to both franchises
Turned the Xenomorphs, Stealthy monsters, smart, dangerous, strong an could resist taking several bullets(Marines used different kind of bullets in Aliens.) into a weakling creature that squeals like a baby monkey.
Turned the Yautjas, the noble space Hunters into cowards that kill people for fun(guy freezing to death, numerous deaths in AvPR), made an Elder Predator kill several innocent humans for fun, pretty sure it's against the their law to lie to inferior species saying that they are their Gods.
I can continue if you want.
Right now, in my opinion, best way to compare the films altogether is like how Fox handles the X-Men franchise's continuity..
I would say yes. As they said, they do not interfere with either of the two franchises and I think it enriches both universes. They are not bad movies, especially the first one. We can not compare them with the masterpieces of the saga, but I consider them very enjoyable. They are an interesting point of view and it is always exciting to see Alien and Predator together in real image.
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 16, 2016, 10:42:43 AM
I would say yes. As they said, they do not interfere with either of the two franchises and I think it enriches both universes. They are not bad movies, especially the first one. We can not compare them with the masterpieces of the saga, but I consider them very enjoyable. They are an interesting point of view and it is always exciting to see Alien and Predator together in real image.
It shits on both
Predators hunting in thecold, killing unworth prey, using Xenos as trial and making up bullshit with the "Mark" thing, Xenos being super skinny and weak, Predators being extremely stupid, Xenos being found on Earth(when the first record was on Nostromo.) a Praetorian that impregnates pregnant women, a giantic Xenomorph Queen when the first one was like, two times taller than the average Warrior, making Xenos stupid and basically shitting on the Predator honor with the whole "Gods" things.
Yes, they are bad movies. they do interfere with both franchise, they kill Weyland and make him look exacly like Bishop designer(which was on Alien 3 only to represent the company)
So no, they aren't canon.
Hunting in the cold is fine (and is even established in the movie that when the temple was set up, it wasn't cold). Aliens have always been skinny: the ones in the AvP movies were fat by usual standards. The AvP Queen was considerably older than the original as well.
What's "killing unworthy[y] prey"?
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 16, 2016, 09:38:52 PMthey kill Weyland and make him look exacly like Bishop designer(which was on Alien 3 only to represent the company)
So no, they aren't canon.
I don't even understand how this is a problem. Weyland and Bishop 2 are completely different characters. So what if they are both portrayed by the same actor? Why is this even an issue? The similarities in appearance can easily be explained and attributed to recessive genes. That is, traits, including appearance - that have become apparent in future generations if a direct genetic lineage can be traced.
What's more, there's an alternate take on this issue you may like to consider. There's been a long standing debate as to whether Bishop 2 was human - or another android representing the company's interests. That's an issue that's never been adequately resolved and probably never will be. In this regard, both version of Bishop could just as easily be
'tribute' versions of the founder of the company. It sure makes for a good argument that Bishop 2 IS an android, huh. That's big headf**k right there.
Either way, it's not that bad an issue, really. Jeeze.
I'm not even sure if it even conflicts with 'PROMETHEUS' where Guy Pierce' depiction Peter Weyland could be a direct descendant of Bishop's Weyland. After all, the 2004 founder of modern robotics could easily be associated with the 2023 version of the Weyland company CEO who talks about more synthetic humans becoming a reality by blood ties. It sounds like a reasonable progression to me and not that difficult to accept. It's actually quite plausible.
What else is there that suggests otherwise? I can't recall offhand... I'd have to watch all the movies with this idea in mind to ascertain any concrete conflicts.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2016, 10:41:05 PM
What's "killing unworthy[y] prey"?
A guy that was freezing to death, a fat man that wasn't a threath, a police man that had seen Wolf
Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2016, 10:24:18 PM
Hunting in the cold is fine (and is even established in the movie that when the temple was set up, it wasn't cold). Aliens have always been skinny: the ones in the AvP movies were fat by usual standards. The AvP Queen was considerably older than the original as well.
(https://expresselevatortohell.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/grid-vs-celtic-avp-aliens-vs-predator.gif)
(https://quaggantidbits.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/alien-design-hd.jpg)
And that Queen shouldn't be that big, after all, many comics and games showed that Queen are twice or a bit more bigger than a Normal Xeno, the only ones bigger than that were Empresses and Queen Mothers
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 16, 2016, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 16, 2016, 10:42:43 AM
I would say yes. As they said, they do not interfere with either of the two franchises and I think it enriches both universes. They are not bad movies, especially the first one. We can not compare them with the masterpieces of the saga, but I consider them very enjoyable. They are an interesting point of view and it is always exciting to see Alien and Predator together in real image.
It shits on both
Predators hunting in thecold, killing unworth prey, using Xenos as trial and making up bullshit with the "Mark" thing, Xenos being super skinny and weak, Predators being extremely stupid, Xenos being found on Earth(when the first record was on Nostromo.) a Praetorian that impregnates pregnant women, a giantic Xenomorph Queen when the first one was like, two times taller than the average Warrior, making Xenos stupid and basically shitting on the Predator honor with the whole "Gods" things.
Yes, they are bad movies. they do interfere with both franchise, they kill Weyland and make him look exacly like Bishop designer(which was on Alien 3 only to represent the company)
So no, they aren't canon.
As well said Windebieste, the Bishop of Alien 3 is an android or a descendant of Weyland that we see in Alien Vs Predator. But aside from small details... it is a film very well filmed, with amazing shoots and with some great ideas (the pyramid, place it in the Antarctic, the origin of the confrontation). I would rather Resurrection not be canon instead of this one.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 16, 2016, 10:46:16 PM
a fat man that wasn't a threat
Who was this?
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https://expresselevatortohell.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/grid-vs-celtic-avp-aliens-vs-predator.gif
(https://quaggantidbits.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/alien-design-hd.jpg)
The second picture shows a bunch of skinny Aliens (that aren't from the movie - grab a still of the Alien being thrown off the APC in the hive). Thanks for proving my point ... ?
QuoteAnd that Queen shouldn't be that big, after all, many comics and games showed that Queen are twice or a bit more bigger than a Normal Xeno, the only ones bigger than that were Empresses and Queen Mothers
The comics are all over the place and are often inconsistent from panel to panel. There is no "shouldn't".
Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2016, 11:47:40 PM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 16, 2016, 10:46:16 PM
a fat man that wasn't a threat
Who was this?
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https://expresselevatortohell.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/grid-vs-celtic-avp-aliens-vs-predator.gif
(https://quaggantidbits.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/alien-design-hd.jpg)
The second picture shows a bunch of skinny Aliens (that aren't from the movie - grab a still of the Alien being thrown off the APC in the hive). Thanks for proving my point ... ?
QuoteAnd that Queen shouldn't be that big, after all, many comics and games showed that Queen are twice or a bit more bigger than a Normal Xeno, the only ones bigger than that were Empresses and Queen Mothers
The comics are all over the place and are often inconsistent from panel to panel. There is no "shouldn't".
1* The guy in the cemetery
2* The second pic is a good exmeplo of how the original Xenos(excluding the Runner and Bastard Xenos) looked like
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-DoD042DkJh4%2FT8kM5GXJO5I%2FAAAAAAAAAk0%2FqGtixC1v1DM%2Fs1600%2FAlien%2B1.jpg&hash=f1f80c46b9329bb2533405de852fb15cfc2de187)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/avpmovie07.jpg)
Compare those two, do you really think that the ones from AvP aren't skinny?
3* And a crossover considered shit by most people should?
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 16, 2016, 11:26:54 PM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 16, 2016, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 16, 2016, 10:42:43 AM
I would say yes. As they said, they do not interfere with either of the two franchises and I think it enriches both universes. They are not bad movies, especially the first one. We can not compare them with the masterpieces of the saga, but I consider them very enjoyable. They are an interesting point of view and it is always exciting to see Alien and Predator together in real image.
It shits on both
Predators hunting in thecold, killing unworth prey, using Xenos as trial and making up bullshit with the "Mark" thing, Xenos being super skinny and weak, Predators being extremely stupid, Xenos being found on Earth(when the first record was on Nostromo.) a Praetorian that impregnates pregnant women, a giantic Xenomorph Queen when the first one was like, two times taller than the average Warrior, making Xenos stupid and basically shitting on the Predator honor with the whole "Gods" things.
Yes, they are bad movies. they do interfere with both franchise, they kill Weyland and make him look exacly like Bishop designer(which was on Alien 3 only to represent the company)
So no, they aren't canon.
As well said Windebieste, the Bishop of Alien 3 is an android or a descendant of Weyland that we see in Alien Vs Predator. But aside from small details... it is a film very well filmed, with amazing shoots and with some great ideas (the pyramid, place it in the Antarctic, the origin of the confrontation). I would rather Resurrection not be canon instead of this one.
The only thing I find good in that movie is the pratical effects, the story is full of flaws, the "origin of the confrotation" completly ruins the Xenomorph and is basically a "f**k you" to Ridley Scott, and Ressurection is not canon, nor Alien 3 or the AvP movies.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 17, 2016, 12:15:40 AM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 16, 2016, 11:26:54 PM
As well said Windebieste, the Bishop of Alien 3 is an android or a descendant of Weyland that we see in Alien Vs Predator. But aside from small details... it is a film very well filmed, with amazing shoots and with some great ideas (the pyramid, place it in the Antarctic, the origin of the confrontation). I would rather Resurrection not be canon instead of this one.
The only thing I find good in that movie is the pratical effects, the story is full of flaws, the "origin of the confrotation" completly ruins the Xenomorph and is basically a "f**k you" to Ridley Scott, and Ressurection is not canon, nor Alien 3 or the AvP movies.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7xmc9ki.gif&hash=4b809671d8e8146097298b60078ca9e23693bab6)
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 17, 2016, 12:30:46 AM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 17, 2016, 12:15:40 AM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 16, 2016, 11:26:54 PM
As well said Windebieste, the Bishop of Alien 3 is an android or a descendant of Weyland that we see in Alien Vs Predator. But aside from small details... it is a film very well filmed, with amazing shoots and with some great ideas (the pyramid, place it in the Antarctic, the origin of the confrontation). I would rather Resurrection not be canon instead of this one.
The only thing I find good in that movie is the pratical effects, the story is full of flaws, the "origin of the confrotation" completly ruins the Xenomorph and is basically a "f**k you" to Ridley Scott, and Ressurection is not canon, nor Alien 3 or the AvP movies.
http://i.imgur.com/7xmc9ki.gif
Alien 5 coming in 2018-2019
Reboot set after Aliens.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 17, 2016, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 17, 2016, 12:30:46 AM
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Alien 5 coming in 2018-2019
Reboot set after Aliens.
In theory, but we can not assure it until it becomes a reality. At the moment they are canon.
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 17, 2016, 12:57:57 AM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 17, 2016, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 17, 2016, 12:30:46 AM
http://i.imgur.com/7xmc9ki.gif
Alien 5 coming in 2018-2019
Reboot set after Aliens.
In theory, but we can not assure it until it becomes a reality. At the moment they are canon.
At the moment Fox doesn't know what is canon or not, they even said that Colonial Marines is canon , well, probaly not anymore after the amount of crap they said the game was
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 17, 2016, 01:00:50 AM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 17, 2016, 12:57:57 AM
In theory, but we can not assure it until it becomes a reality. At the moment they are canon.
At the moment Fox doesn't know what is canon or not, they even said that Colonial Marines is canon , well, probaly not anymore after the amount of crap they said the game was
Did not they say that before the game came out? Pure marketing.
Who cares what's canon? Enjoy what you guys like. If it's a good story, great, if not, then just ignore it.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 17, 2016, 12:15:40 AM
1* The guy in the cemetery
2* The second pic is a good exmeplo of how the original Xenos(excluding the Runner and Bastard Xenos) looked like
Compare those two, do you really think that the ones from AvP aren't skinny?
3* And a crossover considered shit by most people should?
1. He had a gun
2. Still skinny. They were always meant to be skinny. Go to the scene in the second movie I mentioned.
3. Should what? You're saying the Queen shouldn't be a certain size. There is no 'shouldn't' in her case.
And most of the comics and novels aren't Canon by your standard anyway, so why are you bothering to mention them at all?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 17, 2016, 05:26:46 AM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 17, 2016, 12:15:40 AM
1* The guy in the cemetery
2* The second pic is a good exmeplo of how the original Xenos(excluding the Runner and Bastard Xenos) looked like
Compare those two, do you really think that the ones from AvP aren't skinny?
3* And a crossover considered shit by most people should?
1. He had a gun
2. Still skinny. They were always meant to be skinny. Go to the scene in the second movie I mentioned.
3. Should what? You're saying the Queen shouldn't be a certain size. There is no 'shouldn't' in her case.
And most of the comics and novels aren't Canon by your standard anyway, so why are you bothering to mention them at all?
1* he had a gun, was no threat
2*They might be skinny, but aren't super skinny like the ones in AvP
3* Why no "shouldn't"?
1. Neither were the old ladies in the subway in Predator 2, didn't stop them getting slaughtered.
2. Yes they are. Go look for that shoot I'm telling you about. Use actual images from the films, not Locusta's renders.
3. Because she can be whatever size they want. She's older. Size difference explained.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 17, 2016, 01:00:50 AM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 17, 2016, 12:57:57 AM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 17, 2016, 12:53:42 AM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 17, 2016, 12:30:46 AM
http://i.imgur.com/7xmc9ki.gif
Alien 5 coming in 2018-2019
Reboot set after Aliens.
In theory, but we can not assure it until it becomes a reality. At the moment they are canon.
At the moment Fox doesn't know what is canon or not, they even said that Colonial Marines is canon , well, probaly not anymore after the amount of crap they said the game was
Fox Licensing knows perfectly well what is and isn't canon.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 17, 2016, 10:01:51 PM
1. Neither were the old ladies in the subway in Predator 2, didn't stop them getting slaughtered.
The Predator was even going to nuke the 5-Year Old in the cemetery if he didn't find out it was fake.
The movie Predators are all Jerk hats. :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Nov 17, 2016, 10:01:51 PM
1. Neither were the old ladies in the subway in Predator 2, didn't stop them getting slaughtered.
2. Yes they are. Go look for that shoot I'm telling you about. Use actual images from the films, not Locusta's renders.
3. Because she can be whatever size they want. She's older. Size difference explained.
1* Everyone one that was killed in the train were holding Weapons, the Old Ladies had wepaons in their hands.
2* I used an actual shoot from the first Alien movie yet you ignored it.
3* The Xenomorph reaches it's full size in 1 day, why would it grow more?
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 18, 2016, 09:34:59 AM
1* Everyone one that was killed in the train were holding Weapons, the Old Ladies had wepaons in their hands.
So did the guy in the cemetery. Wolf even zooms in on it.
Quote2* I used an actual shoot from the first Alien movie yet you ignored it.
I didn't ignore it. You again showed an Alien that's barely thicker than the CGI AvP Alien.
Quote3* The Xenomorph reaches it's full size in 1 day, why would it grow more?
Queens don't.
Alien Resurrection showed this.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2016, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 18, 2016, 09:34:59 AM
1* Everyone one that was killed in the train were holding Weapons, the Old Ladies had wepaons in their hands.
So did the guy in the cemetery. Wolf even zooms in on it.
Quote2* I used an actual shoot from the first Alien movie yet you ignored it.
I didn't ignore it. You again showed an Alien that's barely thicker than the CGI AvP Alien.
Quote3* The Xenomorph reaches it's full size in 1 day, why would it grow more?
Queens don't. Alien Resurrection showed this.
1* Yet the Predator wasn't being shot at.
2* barely? The ones in AvP look completly different.
3* If you are going to use a Mutant Xenomorph that got pregnant(and is the same size as the one in Aliens) as an argument than you shouldn't be in an argument.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 18, 2016, 10:14:58 AM
1* Yet the Predator wasn't being shot at.
The grannies didn't shoot at the Predator either.
Quote2* barely? The ones in AvP look completly different.
Yes, their shape is completely different. Their skinniness isn't.
Quote3* If you are going to use a Mutant Xenomorph that got pregnant(and is the same size as the one in Aliens) as an argument than you shouldn't be in an argument.
You're trying to use comics that were made irrelevant by that movie to try to say another movie isn't canon. You're not terribly bright yourself.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2016, 10:41:34 AM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 18, 2016, 10:14:58 AM
1* Yet the Predator wasn't being shot at.
The grannies didn't shoot at the Predator either.
Quote2* barely? The ones in AvP look completly different.
Yes, their shape is completely different. Their skinniness isn't.
Quote3* If you are going to use a Mutant Xenomorph that got pregnant(and is the same size as the one in Aliens) as an argument than you shouldn't be in an argument.
You're trying to use comics that were made irrelevant by that movie to try to say another movie isn't canon. You're not terribly bright yourself.
1* The Predator was being shoot by multiple people in the scene, and everyone who were wilding a gun died. That Predator only killed people who represented a threath to him. An in the middle of a gunfire anyone wilding a Weapon is a threath, While in AvPR the fat man wasn't a threath to Wolf in any way.
2* They are WAY skinnier than the ones in Alien and Aliens, the Runner was skinny because it had to be fast, the ones in Ressurection were mutant. None of the Xenomorphs the original two movies were that skinny.
3* The comics have more canon value than a Crossover. Both aren't canon, but a crossover that says that Xenos are mindless toys to the Predators should never be canon.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 18, 2016, 11:18:48 AM
1* The Predator was being shoot by multiple people in the scene, and everyone who were wilding a gun died. That Predator only killed people who represented a threath to him. An in the middle of a gunfire anyone wilding a Weapon is a threath, While in AvPR the fat man wasn't a threath to Wolf in any way.
Nobody on the train could see, and the grannies never fired their weapons. Just the fact they were holding them was enough for the Predator to kill them.
Quote2* They are WAY skinnier than the ones in Alien and Aliens, the Runner was skinny because it had to be fast, the ones in Ressurection were mutant. None of the Xenomorphs the original two movies were that skinny.
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Yes, they were.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2016, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 18, 2016, 11:18:48 AM
1* The Predator was being shoot by multiple people in the scene, and everyone who were wilding a gun died. That Predator only killed people who represented a threath to him. An in the middle of a gunfire anyone wilding a Weapon is a threath, While in AvPR the fat man wasn't a threath to Wolf in any way.
Nobody on the train could see, and the grannies never fired their weapons. Just the fact they were holding them was enough for the Predator to kill them.
Quote2* They are WAY skinnier than the ones in Alien and Aliens, the Runner was skinny because it had to be fast, the ones in Ressurection were mutant. None of the Xenomorphs the original two movies were that skinny.
http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmhbszxUrf1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
Yes, they were.
There was lots of gun shots in the Train, they never fired, but were still holding weapons in a gunfire.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/avpmovie07.jpg)
Nope, not as skinny
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 18, 2016, 12:35:00 PM
There was lots of gun shots in the Train, they never fired, but were still holding weapons in a gunfire.
You can hear gunfire in AvPR.
QuoteNope, not as skinny
You're right, the
Aliens puppet is clearly thinner, particularly around the wrists. The hands are also much, much more slender.
Also Paul Anderson specifically
thickened the Aliens' hands in AvP to make them look more formidable next to the Predator. There's a side-by-side comparison in the ADI behind the scenes book showing how they fattened them up. Even your CGI Grid there has meaty, meaty hands.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2016, 12:41:45 PM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Nov 18, 2016, 12:35:00 PM
There was lots of gun shots in the Train, they never fired, but were still holding weapons in a gunfire.
You can hear gunfire in AvPR.
QuoteNope, not as skinny
You're right, the Aliens puppet is clearly thinner, particularly around the wrists. The hands are also much, much more slender.
Also Paul Anderson specifically thickened the Aliens' hands in AvP to make them look more formidable next to the Predator. There's a side-by-side comparison in the ADI behind the scenes book showing how they fattened them up. Even your CGI Grid there has meaty, meaty hands.
I honestly don't care about AvPR, it's a shame to everyone. Even to the Non-AvP fans.
The only thing as skinny as the Grid is the arms, compare the rest of it's body. you can also see how skinny they are in grid image with a Xeno in the background, I also hated the design of their hands but that doesn't change anything in this
Still not as skinny as this Alien being thrown off the APC
http://youtu.be/ierNKR_ZUBk?t=2m47s
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Look at dat waist-line!
That top one's the one I've been looking for!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 18, 2016, 12:56:37 PM
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Look at dat waist-line!
Indeed, I think the problem that makes the AVP Xenos look much skinnier than the rest when they're really not all that much skinnier is because of their look they always gave off a Monkey look to me which is especially highlighted in the above image.
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They just look so weird.
And thus I name them Monkmorphs.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2016, 12:53:58 PM
Still not as skinny as this Alien being thrown off the APC
http://youtu.be/ierNKR_ZUBk?t=2m47s
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOtw6uQf.png&hash=1d94f833038a8c9257f0bc0ecd0fd810de70a784)
This shit looks like the Dog Buster
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 18, 2016, 12:56:37 PM
Look at dat waist-line!
Spoiler
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they are not canon, no matter what anyone says
No, I just look at them as off shoots like the comic books.
no
It's obvious they were intended to be canonical in some way, setting up Weyland-Yutani and all that, but because they turned out so goofy they're kindly being ignored now. They exist more as an offshoot or unfortunate footnote.
Need an option for: A and P are canon to AVP, but not vice versa.
I think or thought they were canon but I saw a glimpse of the WY report recently (which is canon) and the timeline mentions nothing of AVP's weyland industries, it doesn't seem to exist. This doesn't bother me because after AVP-R, I would like to see the AVP movies rebooted and held to proper continuity.
They're not canon. Even Paul W. Anderson said "It will be a stand-alone franchise. It will not be a continuation of the Alien franchise" when making AVP. I seem them all as separate.
Voted yes to both.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 26, 2016, 04:50:42 PM
They're not canon. Even Paul W. Anderson said "It will be a stand-alone franchise. It will not be a continuation of the Alien franchise" when making AVP. I seem them all as separate.
Do you have a source on that quote? I remember him saying pretty much the opposite.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 26, 2016, 08:54:10 PM
Do you have a source on that quote? I remember him saying pretty much the opposite.
He also said something similar in the Making Of DVD Featurette. But then he went onto say that it bridges the franchises together.
So, oh well.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 26, 2016, 08:54:10 PM
Voted yes to both.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 26, 2016, 04:50:42 PM
They're not canon. Even Paul W. Anderson said "It will be a stand-alone franchise. It will not be a continuation of the Alien franchise" when making AVP. I seem them all as separate.
Do you have a source on that quote? I remember him saying pretty much the opposite.
JoBlo, 2002.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 26, 2016, 09:45:18 PM
JoBlo, 2002.
I think the Making of Featurette DVD commentary came later though. I recall him saying, and this is attempted verbatim:
"Alien vs Predator is it's own stand-alone franchise, it's not meant to replace the Alien or Predator franchise. It's a sequel to Predator 2 and a Prequel to the Alien movies. I'd love to see a Predator 3 with Arnie, and I'd love to see an Alien 5 with Sigourney. It doesn't stop them from being made."
So... from what I interpreted from that is... it is intended to bridge the franchises together but it doesn't stop films like PREDATORS and presumably at the time, Prometheus or now, Blomkamp's Alien film from being made. It's... sort of it's own divergent path?
Either way it almost sounds like his comments don't corroborate with each other.
I read it as it's it's own story with its own characters and plot, but it bridges the Predator and Alien movies chronologically and occupies the same narrative space that they do.
Quote from: D88M on Dec 08, 2016, 08:39:37 PM
they are not canon, no matter what anyone says
Sorry, but who are you to decide?
He decides everything. Hell, he can decide that Aliens isn't canon if he chooses.
But officially aren't they cannon according to Fox? Not that I agree with them.
I mean of course. Why would Fox say they aren't, effectively saying "yeah don't buy our movie".
The average consumer doesn't know what the heck canon means anyway.
Which is why a lot of the mainstream audience enjoyed the AvP movies.
Well, if Im not mistaken Anderson said AVP is also a prequel to the Alien movies and a sequel to the Predator movies, hence the backstory for Weyland (and Yutani in AVP:R). Anyway, whether we considered it canon or not, its irrelevant now because Prometheus erased them from canonicity so there's that
And yet that's not true. Both Weyland can be related without stretching it hard.
Fox doesn't consider them canon at the minute. Only the stuff referenced in the WYR (and stuff released after WYR) are currently considered canon by the tptb.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 10:11:54 AM
Fox doesn't consider them canon at the minute. Only the stuff referenced in the WYR (and stuff released after WYR) are currently considered canon by the tptb.
Do you have a source for that or is it just an educated guess?
Because I would not mind the AVP movies being non canon after what they did to the lore.
I was told by someone who worked on the book.
Also I know Fox has someone working as a consultant, sorting out a timeline of canonical events and some such so it's entirely possible the WYR might be thrown out.
Are they reliable?
So it took till know for Fox to actual care about canon and continuity? it won't lost, I see the franchise going wacky again especially now that telepathic humans exist on what was once or atleast started out as, a gritty realistic series. :P If Ridley Scott was dead, he would be turning in his grave.
Wait why would WYR be thrown out? I thought that the whole new Canon thing? You meant AVP didn't you? :laugh: damn those muscle memories.
Very reliable.
I did mean WYR. In that whatever this new consultant is doing and recommending may disagree with the timeline of WYR. We don't know yet.
Interesting, why would there be a disagreement?, I think I have seen the timeline, it ignores AVP and its weyland industries I think, so I see no issue with it....unless its due to Neil's film because WYR currently references Alien 3 which Neil plans on contradicting.
I'm not saying there will be. Just hedging bets. I imagine it's become a more complicated job with Alien 3.2 and now having The Predator in development as well.
There is nothing stopping them from merely creating another edition of WYR that references the altered timeline. The Predator is not a remake is it?
I think Shane said its a sequel to the first film so I can't see that being a problem.
I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 10:11:54 AM
Fox doesn't consider them canon at the minute.
So I'm assuming that Tristan's statement on them being on the canon list is no longer relevant?
Well... I ain't a happy camper now.
For me movies are canon.
Everything is canon and nothing is canon.
And no man needs nothing and everything..
Yes, there's nothing in the desert (except sand... and oil)
Just something from a film we like.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 11, 2017, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 10:11:54 AM
Fox doesn't consider them canon at the minute.
So I'm assuming that Tristan's statement on them being on the canon list is no longer relevant?
Well... I ain't a happy camper now.
Pretty sure Tristan said soft canon anyway. Like I said, they've hired someone to go through it all and sort it out and give them some recommendations so who knows?
Personally I hate all the canon arguments. It only really matters for those working on the products.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 09:29:55 AM
Personally I hate all the canon arguments
Ditto, who the hell cares
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 09:29:55 AM
Pretty sure Tristan said soft canon anyway.
What Tristan said gave me some sort of hope, that maybe that they were their own side-canon or alternate canon. Now it feels like that sort of hope had been completely snatched away.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 09:29:55 AM
It only really matters for those working on the products.
Sure, it is what it is but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with the decisions Fox makes or be happy with them.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 10:11:54 AM
Fox doesn't consider them canon at the minute. Only the stuff referenced in the WYR (and stuff released after WYR) are currently considered canon by the tptb.
I'm not so sure on that one, seeing as how the WYR doesn't reference *anything* AvP and yet AvP Fire and Stone (and Predator: Fire and Stone) is ostensibly "canon".
The WYR isn't the be-all end-all of what is and isn't canon, it's a book that was written with a specific purpose, and that purpose was to focus on the Alien movies and *only* the Alien movies. Realistically the WYR should at least mention the Predators somewhere, but it doesn't - and that's on purpose, because SD Perry was told to focus strictly on the Alien movies.
I know this because I literally asked her.
Well... at least there's the Dreddverse canon Aliens and Predators to consider worth following. At least for me there is anyway. :-\
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 15, 2017, 05:48:25 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 10:11:54 AM
Fox doesn't consider them canon at the minute. Only the stuff referenced in the WYR (and stuff released after WYR) are currently considered canon by the tptb.
I'm not so sure on that one, seeing as how the WYR doesn't reference *anything* AvP and yet AvP Fire and Stone (and Predator: Fire and Stone) is ostensibly "canon".
The WYR isn't the be-all end-all of what is and isn't canon, it's a book that was written with a specific purpose, and that purpose was to focus on the Alien movies and *only* the Alien movies. Realistically the WYR should at least mention the Predators somewhere, but it doesn't - and that's on purpose, because SD Perry was told to focus strictly on the Alien movies.
I know this because I literally asked her.
It does reference River of Pain I believe as that guy's report is mentioned in it. I can't even remember his name now :P
Brackett.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 15, 2017, 05:48:25 AM
I'm not so sure on that one, seeing as how the WYR doesn't reference *anything* AvP and yet AvP Fire and Stone (and Predator: Fire and Stone) is ostensibly "canon".
Why's that an issue? As you said, it does reference Alien vs. Predator and Predator by referencing Fire and Stone.
Indeed. Having Predators sharing the universe doesn't mean the events in the AvP films necessarily occurred.
No, they are non canon trash.
Predators actually follows on nicely from AVPR, as Kelly and Molly look up into space it goes to another planet and Predators begins, which also has several references to the AVP movies.
Prometheus is almost like a direct sequel to AVP. While AVP dealt with the origins of civilisation, Prometheus goes back even further to the origins of life.
Engineers and Predators having visited Earth at different points in history (probably never meeting.. or did they?..) is an intriguing concept that they could revisit for a future film.
Pity Sebastian never found a carving of a giant pointing at the stars...
Quote from: SM on Jan 17, 2017, 03:16:05 AM
Pity Sebastian never found a carving of a giant pointing at the stars...
That wasn't his field. He dealt with hieroglyphs, artifacts and pyramids. Although even if he did find it there's not much he could have done about it.
Eh?
Shaw and Holloway - archeologists - studied a tablet found in Teotihuacan; but De Rosa - archaeologist - wouldn't?
Quote from: SM on Jan 17, 2017, 03:29:28 AM
Eh?
Shaw and Holloway - archeologists - studied a tablet found in Teotihuacan; but De Rosa - archaeologist - wouldn't?
Sebastian was working on a different theory.
If Sebastian found it he would've just read it as part of his idea anyway.
He was also, what, 80 years earlier ... ?
I dunno if it's said that Holloway and Shaw found them or built on others findings and made The Teotihuacan tablet was almost identical to a real one I think. Mind you considering the proliferation of Predator carving at Bouvet and the marke dlack of, in Mexico, it's probably safe to say it wasn't a Predator hangout.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 17, 2017, 03:51:02 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 17, 2017, 03:29:28 AM
Eh?
Shaw and Holloway - archeologists - studied a tablet found in Teotihuacan; but De Rosa - archaeologist - wouldn't?
Sebastian was working on a different theory.
lol
Is all that garble Sebastian is spewing about the number count before he opens the sarcophagus based on fact? I don't know much about the metric system.
Long count calendar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar)
Metric system was developed in 17-18th century France.
Thanks.I meant to put the long count instead of the metric system. Pulp Fiction talked about that.
Ok but, is AVP canon in the film industry? is it official canon??
Is AVP related to Prometheus and Covenant and to Alien and Aliens, i mean they have queens in it and aliens and predators.
It's 'open to interpretation'.
They are canon and the Alien is an ancient species not created by David.
Lol No. nor does any director that will ever make a predator and or alien movie
In the lead up to Covenant Ridley Scott hired a film historian to craft a 10-page bible/rulebook for the series lore. AVP did not feature. This was covered in one of the set visit reports, I forget which one exactly.
10 pages hardly appears to be adequate to cover the whole series. I guess it excludes a lot of EU stuff as well, then.
You may as well just pick 10 pages out of the WY Report. Those 10 pages become cannon. Then discard the rest of the book. lol.
I'm thinking the number has been misquoted. It would have to be more than 10 pages.
-Windebieste.
I would suggest it was just broad details covering just the major story points, rather than every nutty gritty aspect of the while canon. But if Ridley's first film retconned the origins of Weyland Corp and now his sequel is suggesting the alien may not be as old as we all originally thought, it's pretty clear AVP did not even come into his mind whilst making Covenant.
Neither Ridley or Black care about the AvPs.
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 16, 2017, 01:36:19 AM
10 pages hardly appears to be adequate to cover the whole series. I guess it excludes a lot of EU stuff as well, then.
You may as well just pick 10 pages out of the WY Report. Those 10 pages become cannon. Then discard the rest of the book. lol.
I'm thinking the number has been misquoted. It would have to be more than 10 pages.
-Windebieste.
there are not that many rules, and the comic books and games are not canon, whatever you like it or not, specially because most of them are bad
Quote from: D88M on Mar 16, 2017, 09:02:30 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 16, 2017, 01:36:19 AM
10 pages hardly appears to be adequate to cover the whole series. I guess it excludes a lot of EU stuff as well, then.
You may as well just pick 10 pages out of the WY Report. Those 10 pages become cannon. Then discard the rest of the book. lol.
I'm thinking the number has been misquoted. It would have to be more than 10 pages.
-Windebieste.
there are not that many rules, and the comic books and games are not canon, whatever you like it or not, specially because most of them are bad
Officially? Yes, (certain) comic books and games are canon.
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 16, 2017, 01:36:19 AM
10 pages hardly appears to be adequate to cover the whole series.
It's really, really tiny print.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 19, 2017, 04:59:11 AM
Quote from: D88M on Mar 16, 2017, 09:02:30 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 16, 2017, 01:36:19 AM
10 pages hardly appears to be adequate to cover the whole series. I guess it excludes a lot of EU stuff as well, then.
You may as well just pick 10 pages out of the WY Report. Those 10 pages become cannon. Then discard the rest of the book. lol.
I'm thinking the number has been misquoted. It would have to be more than 10 pages.
-Windebieste.
there are not that many rules, and the comic books and games are not canon, whatever you like it or not, specially because most of them are bad
Officially? Yes, (certain) comic books and games are canon.
why? it sounds retarded, something like 95% of the Alien/Predator/AVP games and comic books are TERRIBLE, specially the AVP ones, nothing in the movies has anything of the few comic books i have read except the terrible AVP movies, and most of them are bad ideas so i am glad they didnt put any of that crap on them, what do you mean by "officially"? and even if the Fox director himself comes at the door of my home and says to me "yep, comic books and games are canon", the quality of all those things is too low as to be considered canon
Quality is subjective and irrelevant.
Every novel and comic published since Jan 2014 (not incl. AvPvDredd) and Alien Isolation is canon with the five existing films.
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2017, 04:24:28 AM
Every novel and comic published since Jan 2014 (not incl. AvPvDredd) and Alien Isolation is canon with the five existing films.
Umm... Might wanna include Big Game and Bad Blood.
Those are re-introduced into the canon, if the new Predator comic is to be counted.
I wouldn't know. Predator canon is a separate thing.
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2017, 04:42:15 AM
I wouldn't know. Predator canon is a separate thing.
What?
As for AvP/Dredd... to D88M... That's a legit AU canon. No, I'm not kidding. That actually is, since Aliens and Predators exist in the Dreddverse.
And Buffy too, that's an AU canon too... Since a Xenomorph does make a full on starring appearance in the canonical Season 8 comics. And Weyland-Yutani also exists in the Buffyverse as one of Wolfram and Heart's clients.
Does Fox still own Buffy, by the way?
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2017, 04:55:14 AM
What what?
What what WHAT?!
In all seriousness, you said Predator canon was a separate thing and... that threw me off. I always considered it as one singular canon.
Different license.
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2017, 04:55:14 AM
QuoteWhat?
What what?
What What What What What What What What!!!!
put your hands up... put your hands up...
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 22, 2017, 04:48:56 AM
And Buffy too, that's an AU canon too... Since a Xenomorph does make a full on starring appearance in the canonical Season 8 comics. And Weyland-Yutani also exists in the Buffyverse as one of Wolfram and Heart's clients.
Does Fox still own Buffy, by the way?
Wait, really? You learn something new everyday...
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 23, 2017, 12:05:07 AM
Wait, really? You learn something new everyday...
Yeah, according to the Buffy Wiki and Xenopedia that FCBD ashcan comic is a canonical part of the season 8 or season 9 comics for Buffy.
Yeah, it's a Xenomorph but it's a different kind of Xenomorph, it's actually NOT a product of the black slime but instead it's a demon vampire bug thing which mutated into a Xenomorph, and it DOESN'T have an aversion to fire but it is a Xenomorph in appearance and behavior.
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2017, 04:24:28 AM
Every novel and comic published since Jan 2014 (not incl. AvPvDredd) and Alien Isolation is canon with the five existing films.
So that would include the Rage War trilogy and the Fire and Stone comics that have predators on it?
It would.
But then...
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2017, 04:42:15 AM
I wouldn't know. Predator canon is a separate thing.
So some novels/comics with predators in are currently canon with the alien franchise, but the original movies which the predators first appeared are not? Thats weird.
The movies dont even contradict anything of the alien movies. And a elder pred in the Rage War mention Harrigan from Predator 2, so they had the pred movies in mind while making a novel of this new canon.
Also in the Rage War its implied the xenos are ancient creatures since they are found in those dog like aliens (were they ever given a name? I'm tired of calling them dog like aliens) ruins, and those ruins are thousands if not millions of years older than that of the human race.
So if any next alien movie try to say that the xenomorphs are like a recent creation it would contradict facts established in previous canon material. Right?
Film canon usually trumps EU canon
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 24, 2017, 03:18:10 PM
But then...
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2017, 04:42:15 AM
I wouldn't know. Predator canon is a separate thing.
So some novels/comics with predators in are currently canon with the alien franchise, but the original movies which the predators first appeared are not? Thats weird.
The movies dont even contradict anything of the alien movies. And a elder pred in the Rage War mention Harrigan from Predator 2, so they had the pred movies in mind while making a novel of this new canon.
Licensing is a funny thing.
No I do not consider the AVP movies canon
I dropped a crap-ton of money and commissioned this professionally-made continuity flow chart.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frs918.pbsrc.com%2Falbums%2Fad28%2Fkelgaard%2F20170606_075146_zpsjvbzuwxt.jpg%3Fw%3D480%26amp%3Bh%3D480%26amp%3Bfit%3Dclip&hash=1262399d29f918143db76be72ae7e5c6e372409f)
I personally don't like these movies just dangling in the middle of nowhere, not connected to either franchise.
There's an alien skull on the predator ship in Predator 2.
Alien: Covenant establishes that the aliens didn't exist back in prehistoric or modern times.
So I consider them canon to Predator, but not Alien.
I'll vote when my choice is made available.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Dec 20, 2016, 12:20:29 AM
Need an option for: A and P are canon to AVP, but not vice versa.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Nov 17, 2016, 01:31:49 AM
If it's a good story, great, if not, then just ignore it.
That's my mindset as well. I would be okay with AvP being canon, but happily ignore the sequel.