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The game developers said in a game article that the "canon way" to play the game is to not kill any humans at all.  That being said, I killed exactly 10 humans on my 1st playthrough of the game.  I didn't kill any humans I didn't have to though, if they gave me a chance to run then I took it and tried not to take advantage of them (of course, sometimes they did something stupid and fired anyway which attracted the Alien and got themselves killed), but those humans that said things like "Let's kill her" or "I'm going to GET you" were as good as dead in my book and I had no problem whacking them off whether it was by maintenance jack or other means.

I didn't kill any humans because I was trying to get the trophy. Got to the end of the game and the trophy never popped. I can only assume that it counts kills if you kill someone and then you're killed and have to restart checkpoint. 

Got through it as a pacifist somehow, that first encounter drove me nuts though and so many times I wanted to murder all of them pricks.  I smoke bombed, or got the alien to kill, anyone I encountered after that.

Zero.


(Because I wanted the trophy.)

None. Never even occurred to me to kill any. Likewise, the advance publicity had made so much of how the Alien was impervious to harm, I didn't even try and use the flamethrower on it until in the hive. It's kind of sad I can't repeat the blank slate of that first go through.

First person I found I smashed them over the head with the wrench

Lol, was it the tattle-tell girl who tried to get you killed?  That was my first kill and oh how satisfying it was.

Does killing a human include bringing in the alien to do the dirty work for me?

No, the trophy doesn't require it and I had no problem doing that either though I was never so cruel as to throw a noisemaker in their unsuspecting direction; I always let them shoot first (if they wanted to) and have them seal their own fate.

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 13, 2014, 11:54:33 PM
No, the trophy doesn't require it and I had no problem doing that either though I was never so cruel as to throw a noisemaker in their unsuspecting direction; I always let them shoot first (if they wanted to) and have them seal their own fate.

Did the same thing. But i shot three or four humans (mainly security guards).

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 13, 2014, 06:44:59 PM
Lol, was it the tattle-tell girl who tried to get you killed?  That was my first kill and oh how satisfying it was.

Yes it was. And yes it was.

Tried not to kill anyone but when people start shooting at you...

How many humans did I kill? Everyone! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBKXu3Kg4yg) Seriously though, I think I directly or indirectly(summoned the Alien or waited until they summoned the Alien themselves) killed every hostile human I encountered. I remember the first encounter with the girl with the access turner and her three friends. I tried sneaking pass them a few times just to get shot. I lost my patience and decided to act like the Alien and hide in the air vent. Every time one of them would pass by the opening, I would bash them with the wrench and hide back in the vent until the coast was clear again. I always made sure that the tattletale was the first to go.

On my second playthrough and now I'm just killing pretty much everyone. The maintenance jack is surprisingly effective at cutting through a line of four guys in no time at all.

Brings wrench to gunfight, wins.

On my first playthrough I didn't kill anyone. The only "bad" thing I did was release a working Joe which then went on a killing spree, I felt a tiny bit bad about that, but no much.

Second time around I was caught out in the open by a guy with a shotgun - I'd actually just saved his life from a working Joe but he seemed happy to try to kill me anyway so I was forced to gun him down.

I killed quite a few on my first run. Mainly because they acted stupid/unrealistic and I couldn't tolerate them.

Quote from: Xenoscream on Nov 17, 2014, 01:40:29 PM
On my first playthrough I didn't kill anyone. The only "bad" thing I did was release a working Joe which then went on a killing spree, I felt a tiny bit bad about that, but no much.

Did this effect your achievement?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 19, 2014, 09:43:22 AMDid this effect your achievement?

Facilitating the deaths of humans by others, be it the Alien or the Joes, doesn't negate the trophy.

Yeah lol, apparently Amanda is too much of a do-gooder to kill people herself but getting other things to kill people, she is inexplicably okay with. Bleh. :D

I tried going for the Mercy or Prudence trophy, but ended up using the cattle prod on a guy. Then because I thought that counted as killing someone I took out another guy with a gun or wrench or something.

The only legit way to kill people and still get that trophy in this game is to get someone else to do the killing for you; use noisemakers and flares to get your enemies to kill each other and somehow the moral math will add up in Amanda's conscience.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 19, 2014, 09:43:22 AM

Quote from: Xenoscream on Nov 17, 2014, 01:40:29 PM
On my first playthrough I didn't kill anyone. The only "bad" thing I did was release a working Joe which then went on a killing spree, I felt a tiny bit bad about that, but no much.

Did this effect your achievement?

Sorry for the slow reply - no it didn't, I still got the achievement. I haven't tested it but I expect that luring the Alien to people also doesn't count as a kill.

Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 11, 2014, 12:10:20 PMI haven't tested it but I expect that luring the Alien to people also doesn't count as a kill.

Correct. You can use Joes/the Alien as a 'blunt instrument' to butcher as many people as you like. So long as you don't literally land the killing blow on a human yourself, you'll get the award.

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Quote from: PsyKore on Nov 18, 2014, 08:28:09 PM
I killed quite a few on my first run. Mainly because they acted stupid/unrealistic and I couldn't tolerate them.

Negative, they do act realistically the only part of that statement that is true is that you couldn't tolerate them.

ROFL

Human or Android alike I pretty much went all out Laurence Fishburne on them. They have what I need, and if I want it i'll take it from whoever I can, whatever I can, whenever I can!!!

I didn't kill any people my first playthrough, thankfully androids aren't people though.

I did a playthrough without killing anyone and didnt get the achievement. i dont know why i didnt but it as quite frustrating

Quote from: Nightlord on Nov 12, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
That first encounter drove me nuts though and so many times I wanted to murder all of them pricks.

Jesus, I'm on that at the moment and ragequit twice, glad it's not just me. Does the game get any easier?

Quote from: Nazrel on Jan 02, 2015, 08:02:41 PM
I did a playthrough without killing anyone and didnt get the achievement. i dont know why i didnt but it as quite frustrating

From what I've read some people think the stun baton doesn't kill but it actually does. Did you use stun baton on humans?

Quote from: Vertigo on Jan 03, 2015, 12:27:48 AM

Quote from: Nightlord on Nov 12, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
That first encounter drove me nuts though and so many times I wanted to murder all of them pricks.

Jesus, I'm on that at the moment and ragequit twice, glad it's not just me. Does the game get any easier?

I actually died a few times the second playthrough I'm currently doing on hard, got through it though with some persistence. What difficulty are you doing?

*Looks at the ground and shuffles feet* Easy....

That's okay.

My first playthrough was on normal, but I was having trouble in parts too. The way I see it the first playthrough is one big learning experience, the opportunity to learn the ins and outs of the game through trial and error considering the fact I've never played a horror type of game before.

Quote from: Crazy Rich on Jan 03, 2015, 12:55:51 AM

Quote from: Nazrel on Jan 02, 2015, 08:02:41 PM
I did a playthrough without killing anyone and didnt get the achievement. i dont know why i didnt but it as quite frustrating

From what I've read some people think the stun baton doesn't kill but it actually does. Did you use stun baton on humans?

I used it on 2 people in a row...well , good bye achievement .  :laugh:

From getting the achievement my first playthrough on normal I killed humans exclusively with the revolver/shotgun (while trying to reserve the shotgun for androids at the same time) while on hard and only when necessary. Knowing the game now using a stun baton on a human is a waste as its purpose is to give you a fighting chance against androids, so I use the stun baton exclusively for androids. That is until the androids start showing up in those orange hazard suits and the stun baton is rendered useless. This is when I just hide and avoid them up until I find the Bolt gun which I use exclusively on androids when necessary.

I killed 2. I was aiming for the canon way, but that will just have to be in my imagination lol.

The first kill was a mistake. I used the "Stun" baton and didn't realize until some time later that it counted as a kill(saw it on a forum post). I had already saved at this point. I made every effort to avoid any more, but one of the guards had me pretty frustrated so tough cookie.

Reading all the comments, there are two thoughts I had regarding the killing and game difficulty.

1: Normally, an adult civilian won't automatically go around shooting people and killing them from the get go right after they get a gun. Ripley was shocked when Axel shot and killed the guy she knocked on the head. The situation might have been extreme, but if killing was meant to be a natural part of the game, there would have been a event where you HAVE to kill humans in order to get through. Personally I think the pistol is useless, and the shotgun too loud. Give me a cattle prod anytime, anywhere.

2: Game difficulty. Yes it was recommended that the game be played on Hard mode to have the experience of the Alien stalking you around, but that's not really what you see in the Alien movie that it's supposed to be based off... In the first movie, the alien only kills when someone steps into its current kill zone, or when the team starts trying to hunt it down. It moves very slowly and silently, only showing itself when it's about to make a kill. A:I on normal mode is about par with the level of appearances by the Alien, where it only stalks you semi-passively, instead of aggressively. The active hunting mode is more like the aliens from Aliens, Alien3 and A:R.

Quote from: Vertigo on Jan 03, 2015, 12:27:48 AM

Quote from: Nightlord on Nov 12, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
That first encounter drove me nuts though and so many times I wanted to murder all of them pricks.

Jesus, I'm on that at the moment and ragequit twice, glad it's not just me. Does the game get any easier?

That part took me a few attempts too! I'd say "yes" and "no" about whether the game gets easier. "Yes" because after this point you start to learn the game mechanics better; what you can and can't get away with. And "no" because the situations you will find yourself in become much more intense and a lot less forgiving!

I haven't beaten the game yet, I'm on mission 16 so far. Hard difficulty, and haven't killed a person (directly) yet! Not even with the stun baton! The flash bang followed by a quick sprint-and-hide has been my best friend around humans... At least it has been when attracting the alien or a joe wasn't an option.  Lol

Quote from: Engineer on Jan 06, 2015, 01:52:55 AM

Quote from: Vertigo on Jan 03, 2015, 12:27:48 AM

Quote from: Nightlord on Nov 12, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
That first encounter drove me nuts though and so many times I wanted to murder all of them pricks.

Jesus, I'm on that at the moment and ragequit twice, glad it's not just me. Does the game get any easier?

That part took me a few attempts too! I'd say "yes" and "no" about whether the game gets easier. "Yes" because after this point you start to learn the game mechanics better; what you can and can't get away with. And "no" because the situations you will find yourself in become much more intense and a lot less forgiving!

I haven't beaten the game yet, I'm on mission 16 so far. Hard difficulty, and haven't killed a person (directly) yet! Not even with the stun baton! The flash bang followed by a quick sprint-and-hide has been my best friend around humans... At least it has been when attracting the alien or a joe wasn't an option.  Lol

I've found using the wrench to create noise then sneaking around the people as they investigate is the easiest and most supply effective way of avoiding looters. The human ai isn't very smart and will just b-line it to any noise or distraction you make.

I too was really annoyed with the first looter encounter, but now i know how to get buy it just using one bang of the wrench.

Quote from: newbeing on Jan 06, 2015, 03:26:21 AM

Quote from: Engineer on Jan 06, 2015, 01:52:55 AM

Quote from: Vertigo on Jan 03, 2015, 12:27:48 AM

Quote from: Nightlord on Nov 12, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
That first encounter drove me nuts though and so many times I wanted to murder all of them pricks.

Jesus, I'm on that at the moment and ragequit twice, glad it's not just me. Does the game get any easier?

That part took me a few attempts too! I'd say "yes" and "no" about whether the game gets easier. "Yes" because after this point you start to learn the game mechanics better; what you can and can't get away with. And "no" because the situations you will find yourself in become much more intense and a lot less forgiving!

I haven't beaten the game yet, I'm on mission 16 so far. Hard difficulty, and haven't killed a person (directly) yet! Not even with the stun baton! The flash bang followed by a quick sprint-and-hide has been my best friend around humans... At least it has been when attracting the alien or a joe wasn't an option.  Lol

I've found using the wrench to create noise then sneaking around the people as they investigate is the easiest and most supply effective way of avoiding looters. The human ai isn't very smart and will just b-line it to any noise or distraction you make.

I too was really annoyed with the first looter encounter, but now i know how to get buy it just using one bang of the wrench.

I've tried that a couple times... But it always ended with the alien swiftly dropping from a vent and sprinting directly to my position. Lol

You can also use flares to distract enemies, you get those early on.  I'd say the game does become easier later cause even by level 15 or so you still get new weapons.

Quote from: predxeno on Jan 06, 2015, 04:35:04 PM
You can also use flares to distract enemies, you get those early on.  I'd say the game does become easier later cause even by level 15 or so you still get new weapons.

Oddly enough, I've only used the flares for light in dark areas before I had the flashlight. I always for get I have them. Flares are not in short supply around the station either! Or maybe it just seems that way to me because I never use them. Lol

I never use them either, the flashlight is MUCH easier to handle as a light source so I often use the flares as secondary noisemakers/distractions.

nope only stunned the androids.  i set the alien and androids loose on people but that shouldnt have prevented the achieve

My typical flare use is to fumble around with the buttons, accidentally drop it right where I'm standing, then run screaming to the nearest locker. I'm apparently more Ian Malcolm than Alan Grant.

Quote from: Vertigo on Jan 06, 2015, 11:48:06 PMI'm apparently more Ian Malcolm than Alan Grant.

You aren't full Malcolm until you get headbutted through a toilet by the Alien.

i only played it once. are the humans randomly good or bad?

No. Pretty much everyone's hostile, with a few exceptions (the named characters, and one or two civilians that don't attack).

too bad. could have been more random.