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Title: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 14, 2020, 08:31:32 PM
"Ridley Scott will team with Joaquin Phoenix for Kitbag, with the Oscar-winning Joker star to play French military leader and emperor Napoleon. Pic is set at 20th Century Studios, where Scott Free has its deal. This comes as Scott today wraps production on The Last Duel in Ireland for 20th. Scott has screenwriter David Scarpa –, who wrote the Scott-directed All the Money in the World — working on a script for the Napoleon epic. The film will be produced by Scott and Kevin Walsh for Scott Free.

The film's title is derived from the saying "There is a general's staff hidden in every soldier's kitbag. The film is an original and personal look at Napoleon's origins and his swift, ruthless climb to emperor, viewed through the prism of his addictive and often volatile relationship with his wife and one true love, Josephine. The intention of the film is to capture Napoleon's famous battles, relentless ambition and astounding strategic mind as an extraordinary military leader and war visionary."


https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1316427631676530692
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 14, 2020, 08:33:18 PM
Is this already replacing Gucci? :D
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Andrea90 on Oct 14, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 14, 2020, 08:33:18 PM
Is this already replacing Gucci? :D

It comes after Gucci.
Great news, great casting, great director.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 14, 2020, 09:38:39 PM
Kubrick couldn't do it but he wasn't Nexus like Ridley is.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkUPlEJXkAAM4KM?format=jpg&name=medium)

All the Money in the World based on a true story
The Last Duel based on a true story
Gucci based on a true story
Kitbag based on a true story

Hmmm ...
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 14, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
Prometheus based on a true story

(https://moviusdudem.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/prometheus-cave-painting.jpg?w=800&h=438)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Oct 14, 2020, 11:18:22 PM
Quote from: Andrea90 on Oct 14, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 14, 2020, 08:33:18 PM
Is this already replacing Gucci? :D

It comes after Gucci.
Great news, great casting, great director.
GUCCI filming in March for a release in Late 2021. NAPOLEON is 2022.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 14, 2020, 11:22:22 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 14, 2020, 11:15:04 PM
Prometheus based on a true story

(https://moviusdudem.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/prometheus-cave-painting.jpg?w=800&h=438)

Ahh yes, how could I have forgotten? ;)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Oct 14, 2020, 11:43:11 PM
I think Rooney Mara(the wife of Joaquin Phoenix) could be Josephine
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 15, 2020, 01:31:48 AM
A World without Ridley.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Stolen on Oct 15, 2020, 05:17:58 AM
Kitbag is an awful title.

"Napoleon" by Ridley Scott. Simple, efficient, logical and better.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 15, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
I would love to see Crowe in it.

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1529491.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Javert)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Oct 15, 2020, 10:32:25 AM
Am I the only one who is more excited about Joaquin Phoenix being involved than Ridley directing ?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 15, 2020, 11:12:29 AM
For me it's both: Ridley and Joaquin.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 15, 2020, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Stolen on Oct 15, 2020, 05:17:58 AM
Kitbag is an awful title.

"Napoleon" by Ridley Scott. Simple, efficient, logical and better.

"Pack up your troubles in your old kitbag: And smile, smile, smile... " ;D

But yeah, "Napoleon" or simply "Bonaparte" does sound better. He'll probably change the title if he ever gets around to filming this.

Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 15, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
I would love to see Crowe in it.

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1529491.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Javert)

Master and Commander? That was also set during the Napoleonic wars.

I must say, Joaquin Phoenix does look suitably Napoleonic in Gladiator but isn't he a bit old for the role now?

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 15, 2020, 05:55:56 PM
Crowe's picture is from Les Misérables (2012).

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/878/541/e0c.gif)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Stolen on Oct 15, 2020, 06:02:57 PM
Not only a Napoleon movie, it's a dream come true, but if it allows Gladiator 2 to be pushed back indefinitely. A winner-winner!
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 15, 2020, 06:16:03 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 15, 2020, 05:55:56 PM
Crowe's picture is from Les Misérables (2012).

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/878/541/e0c.gif

Ah right, same hat but no beard in Master and Commander:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/02/35/c70235e351b9f34c946a093f8c991efd.jpg)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 15, 2020, 06:30:20 PM
It would be cool to see Ridley, Phoenix and Crowe making movie together again.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 16, 2020, 04:39:36 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 15, 2020, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Stolen on Oct 15, 2020, 05:17:58 AM
Kitbag is an awful title.

"Napoleon" by Ridley Scott. Simple, efficient, logical and better.

"Pack up your troubles in your old kitbag: And smile, smile, smile... " ;D

But yeah, "Napoleon" or simply "Bonaparte" does sound better. He'll probably change the title if he ever gets around to filming this.

Bonaparte! That one is perfect.




Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 15, 2020, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 15, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
I would love to see Crowe in it.

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1529491.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Javert)

Master and Commander? That was also set during the Napoleonic wars.

I must say, Joaquin Phoenix does look suitably Napoleonic in Gladiator but isn't he a bit old for the role now?

You are never too old to wear a bicorne.

(https://i.ibb.co/y4ZBWVx/iron-mask-blog-1581611682175.jpg)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Oct 20, 2020, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 16, 2020, 04:39:36 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 15, 2020, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Stolen on Oct 15, 2020, 05:17:58 AM
Kitbag is an awful title.

"Napoleon" by Ridley Scott. Simple, efficient, logical and better.

"Pack up your troubles in your old kitbag: And smile, smile, smile... " ;D

But yeah, "Napoleon" or simply "Bonaparte" does sound better. He'll probably change the title if he ever gets around to filming this.

Bonaparte! That one is perfect.




Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 15, 2020, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 15, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
I would love to see Crowe in it.

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1529491.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Javert)

Master and Commander? That was also set during the Napoleonic wars.

I must say, Joaquin Phoenix does look suitably Napoleonic in Gladiator but isn't he a bit old for the role now?

You are never too old to wear a bicorne.

(https://i.ibb.co/y4ZBWVx/iron-mask-blog-1581611682175.jpg)
The real life NAPOLEON died at 51 years old. Joaquín Phoenix would be 46 years old in 1 month
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 20, 2020, 08:01:09 PM
And his last six years were spent in exile, not doing much of anything. Think he was already emperor in his early 30's?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 20, 2020, 08:30:05 PM
Who knows, they might de-age him.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 20, 2020, 09:01:05 PM
Yeah, Ridley lately seems to enjoy casting actors out of their character's age groups and going ballistic with the make-up.

Guy Pearce in Prometheus, Kevin Spacey in All the Money (who was later replaced by an actual octogenarian).
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Oct 21, 2020, 03:19:57 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 20, 2020, 09:01:05 PM
Yeah, Ridley lately seems to enjoy casting actors out of their character's age groups and going ballistic with the make-up.

Guy Pearce in Prometheus, Kevin Spacey in All the Money (who was later replaced by an actual octogenarian).
The DHD article said they want to cover most of NAPOLEON life so he really isn't too old
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 14, 2021, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: DeadlineEXCLUSIVE: Apple Studios has committed to finance and produce Kitbag, the Napoleon Bonaparte epic that Ridley Scott will direct, with Oscar-winning Joker star Joaquin Phoenix playing the French emperor and military leader. Production will begin in early 2022 in the UK. Scott and Kevin Walsh will produce for Scott Free.

Deadline last October revealed the aspirations of Scott and Phoenix to re-team on this film, which now has a screenplay by David Scarpa. He wrote the Scott-directed Getty kidnap drama All The Money in the World. Scott Free's deal with 20th Century Studios obliged him to show it there last fall, but it became free and clear towards year end, and a world rights deal closed within the past two weeks at Apple Studios, where Scott Free has its first look deal for television projects.

"Napoleon is a man I've always been fascinated by," Scott told Deadline. "He came out of nowhere to rule everything — but all the while he was waging a romantic war with his adulterous wife Josephine. He conquered the world to try to win her love, and when he couldn't, he conquered it to destroy her, and destroyed himself in the process."

While Scott has long wanted to make a Napoleon film — and other great filmmakers like the late Stanley Kubrick also tried but did not succeed — key for Scott was having the right actor to capture the complexities of a character who brought a whole country to heel and used that power for his own conquering ambitions. Scott saw Phoenix's ability to do something close to that when he directed him in the role of Roman leader Commodus in the 2000 Best Picture winning drama Gladiator.

"No actor could ever embody Napoleon like Joaquin," Scott said. "He created one of movie history's most complex Emperors in Gladiator, and we'll create another with his Napoleon. It's a brilliant script written by David Scarpa, and today there's no better partner than Apple to bring a story like this to a global audience."

The film's title is derived from the saying "There is a general's staff hidden in every soldier's kitbag." The film is an original and personal look at Napoleon's origins and his swift, ruthless climb to emperor, viewed through the prism of his addictive and often volatile relationship with his wife and one true love, Josephine. The intention of the film is to capture Napoleon's famous battles, relentless ambition and astounding strategic mind as an extraordinary military leader and war visionary.

It is another big feature commitment for Apple, which under Apple Worldwide Video heads Zack Van Amburg and Jamie Erlicht is beginning to show how their slates will factor in the streaming ecosystem. The emphasis will not be on the volume coming from Netflix or Disney+ but that doesn't mean Apple won't step up for a fog cutting A list movie package to embellish its growing tastemaker slates for display on theatrical and Apple TV+.

The Kitbag deal is at least on the financial scale of the one Apple Studios made last fall to acquire world rights to Emancipation. That film package with Antoine Fuqua directing Will Smith in a Willam N. Collage-scripted action thriller about the harrowing escape of Peter, a runaway slave forced to outwit cold-blooded hunters and the unforgiving swamps of Louisiana on a tortuous journey North where he joined the Union Army. Apple also stepped up for Greyhound, the WWII drama that Tom Hanks wrote and starred in for director Aaron Schneider, which premiered last July. And Killers of the Flower Moon, the $180 million + adaptation of the David Grann book that Eric Roth scripted and which has Robert De Niro and Leonardo DiCaprio set to star.

Beyond Greyhound, Apple has several movies in the awards season hunt now including the Sofia Coppola-directed On The Rocks with Rashida Jones and Bill Murray, the docu Boys State, the animated Wolfwalkers, and the upcoming Cherry, a harrowing drama that is the first film Joe & Anthony Russo directed after Avengers: Endgame. Tom Holland and Ciara Bravo star.

Despite a pandemic that has stunted the progress of many filmmakers, the ever-ambitious Scott has continued to be prolific for the Scott Free banner Walsh runs for him.  Scott most recently wrapped The Last Duel, with script by Nicole Holofcener, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, for 20th Century Studios. Scott re-started production after the pandemic shutdown and completed production in Ireland under strict protocols. Damon, Adam Driver, Jodie Comer and Affleck star in the period drama
chronicling one of France's last legally sanctioned duels, when King Charles VI (Affleck) which declared that Knight Jean de Carrouges (Damon) settle his dispute with his squire Jacques LeGris (Driver) over a claim of sexual assault by the knight's wife (Comer) in 1386.

In March, Scott begins production in Italy on Gucci, the MGM drama that will star Lady Gaga as the murderess Patrizia Reggiani alongside a killer cast including Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, Adam Driver, Jared Leto and Jeremy Irons. Scott and Giannina Scott are producing. Kitbag will follow.

Scott and Phoenix are repped by WME, Scarpa by Gersh.

https://deadline.com/2021/01/napoleon-movie-joaquin-phoenix-ridley-scott-apple-studios-kitbag-1234672742/
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Stolen on Jan 14, 2021, 06:23:23 PM
Best news of the year.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 14, 2021, 09:01:47 PM
Ridley: "Suck it, Stanley!"
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 14, 2021, 10:35:45 PM
KiramidHead let me know once you got the script :)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 14, 2021, 10:36:16 PM
If it gets around I'll holler.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 14, 2021, 10:42:37 PM
(listening intently)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 15, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
So the film will have a budget of around $120 million. Not too shabby, although an epic like this really needs to debut on the big screen. I assume Apple will do a theatrical release as well as a release on Apple TV+. Do they usually do Blu Ray releases as well or would that compete with their streaming service?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 15, 2021, 05:29:25 PM
Source or just guessing ?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 15, 2021, 05:31:23 PM
They mention that figure for Emancipation on the Apple TV+ Wikipedia article.

QuoteThe Kitbag deal is at least on the financial scale of the one Apple Studios made last fall to acquire world rights to Emancipation.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Andrea90 on Jan 15, 2021, 06:26:18 PM
120 million dollars, is it confirmed?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 15, 2021, 06:28:16 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 15, 2021, 05:24:00 PM
Do they usually do Blu Ray releases as well or would that compete with their streaming service?

I hope they will. It would be bonkers if they didn't.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 15, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
They'd better, streaming will obviously be exclusive to Apple TV+ subscribers. And 4K UHD Blu Ray is superior to 4K streaming and not subject to random removal from their servers.

Quote from: Andrea90 on Jan 15, 2021, 06:26:18 PM
120 million dollars, is it confirmed?

Just an estimate. Hopefully it will be a bit more, we need a full-scale Waterloo.




Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Jan 16, 2021, 07:44:37 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 14, 2021, 09:01:47 PM
Ridley: "Suck it, Stanley!"

(https://i.gifer.com/7mZS.gif)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Mar 02, 2021, 09:08:28 PM
New casting news

https://twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1366856211262361601
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 02, 2021, 09:12:35 PM
Yeah, you just ninja'd me.

Here is the full article:

QuoteEXCLUSIVE: After blowing him away with her upcoming performance in The Last Duel, Ridley Scott is moving fast to work with Killing Eve star Jodie Comer again and looks to have found that next project to team up on. Sources tell Deadline Comer is Scott's choice to play Napoleon Bonaparte's beloved Josephine in Apple Studios' upcoming epic Kitbag. Insiders add that it is in early talks and there is still a possibility a deal may not make. Joaquin Phoenix is set to star in the Bonaparte role with Scott planning to direct after he finishes the MGM crime thriller House of Gucci starring Lady Gaga.

Sources tell Deadline, that even though Comer's star had been on the rise following her Emmy-winning work on Killing Eve, Scott had no idea who she was when he set her as the female lead opposite Matt Damon, Adam Driver and Ben Affleck in The Last Duel. Insiders say Scott was blown away by her work during production of the film, which recently wrapped production and the end of last year. Though Comer still had to meet with execs and Scott for the role of Josefine, sources say Scott always felt she was in front-runner and was quick to declare her as his choice for the part.

Apple Studios committed to finance and produce the movie at the top of the year when the package was brought to market. Deadline first broke the news of Scott's plan to direct the film reunite with Gladiator star on the film last October, which now has a screenplay by David Scarpa. He wrote the Scott-directed Getty kidnap drama All The Money in the World. Scott Free's deal with 20th Century Studios obliged him to show it there last fall, but it became free and clear towards year end, and a world rights deal closed quickly with Apple Studios, where Scott Free has its first look deal for television projects.

Scott and Kevin Walsh will produce for Scott Free.

The film's title is derived from the saying "There is a general's staff hidden in every soldier's kitbag." The film is an original and personal look at Napoleon's origins and his swift, ruthless climb to emperor, viewed through the prism of his addictive and often volatile relationship with his wife and one true love, Josephine. While the intention of the film is to capture Napoleon's famous battles, ambition and strategic mind, the love story he had with Josephine is just as important to the origins and way the great military leader was.

Besides The Last Duel, which will premiere later this year in thick of award season, Comer is expected to shoot the highly anticipated fourth season of Killing Eve later this year. She also has the 20th Century Studios action comedy Free Guy, also starring Ryan Reynolds bowing later this year.

She is repped by WME and Independent Talent Group.

https://deadline.com/2021/03/jodie-comer-josephine-joaquin-phoenix-apple-ridley-scotts-napoleon-kitbag-1234704485/ (https://deadline.com/2021/03/jodie-comer-josephine-joaquin-phoenix-apple-ridley-scotts-napoleon-kitbag-1234704485/)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Mar 02, 2021, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 02, 2021, 09:12:35 PM
Yeah, you just ninja'd me.

Here is the full article:

QuoteEXCLUSIVE: After blowing him away with her upcoming performance in The Last Duel, Ridley Scott is moving fast to work with Killing Eve star Jodie Comer again and looks to have found that next project to team up on. Sources tell Deadline Comer is Scott's choice to play Napoleon Bonaparte's beloved Josephine in Apple Studios' upcoming epic Kitbag. Insiders add that it is in early talks and there is still a possibility a deal may not make. Joaquin Phoenix is set to star in the Bonaparte role with Scott planning to direct after he finishes the MGM crime thriller House of Gucci starring Lady Gaga.

Sources tell Deadline, that even though Comer's star had been on the rise following her Emmy-winning work on Killing Eve, Scott had no idea who she was when he set her as the female lead opposite Matt Damon, Adam Driver and Ben Affleck in The Last Duel. Insiders say Scott was blown away by her work during production of the film, which recently wrapped production and the end of last year. Though Comer still had to meet with execs and Scott for the role of Josefine, sources say Scott always felt she was in front-runner and was quick to declare her as his choice for the part.

Apple Studios committed to finance and produce the movie at the top of the year when the package was brought to market. Deadline first broke the news of Scott's plan to direct the film reunite with Gladiator star on the film last October, which now has a screenplay by David Scarpa. He wrote the Scott-directed Getty kidnap drama All The Money in the World. Scott Free's deal with 20th Century Studios obliged him to show it there last fall, but it became free and clear towards year end, and a world rights deal closed quickly with Apple Studios, where Scott Free has its first look deal for television projects.

Scott and Kevin Walsh will produce for Scott Free.

The film's title is derived from the saying "There is a general's staff hidden in every soldier's kitbag." The film is an original and personal look at Napoleon's origins and his swift, ruthless climb to emperor, viewed through the prism of his addictive and often volatile relationship with his wife and one true love, Josephine. While the intention of the film is to capture Napoleon's famous battles, ambition and strategic mind, the love story he had with Josephine is just as important to the origins and way the great military leader was.

Besides The Last Duel, which will premiere later this year in thick of award season, Comer is expected to shoot the highly anticipated fourth season of Killing Eve later this year. She also has the 20th Century Studios action comedy Free Guy, also starring Ryan Reynolds bowing later this year.

She is repped by WME and Independent Talent Group.

https://deadline.com/2021/03/jodie-comer-josephine-joaquin-phoenix-apple-ridley-scotts-napoleon-kitbag-1234704485/ (https://deadline.com/2021/03/jodie-comer-josephine-joaquin-phoenix-apple-ridley-scotts-napoleon-kitbag-1234704485/)

I'm known by my co-workers as Tweetz
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 02, 2021, 09:23:41 PM
Are you human though?

I always thought you were AVP Galaxy's movie news bot.  :-\
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Mar 02, 2021, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 02, 2021, 09:23:41 PM
Are you human though?

I always thought you were AVP Galaxy's movie news bot.  :-\

I can't confirm nor deny...
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Andrea90 on Mar 02, 2021, 10:07:19 PM
Great.
::)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Stolen on Mar 05, 2021, 08:52:05 PM
QuoteScott had no idea who she was when he set her as the female lead opposite Matt Damon, Adam Driver and Ben Affleck in The Last Duel.

Wrong.
Scott had already mentioned the actress in 2018 on several occasions. It was for her excellent performance in Killing Eve that Scott wanted to work with her.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 06, 2021, 02:57:27 PM
Yeah, he was impressed by Comer in Killing Eve and hired her.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Z Digg on Mar 20, 2021, 04:04:26 AM
Comer is officially cast now this ought to be interesting she and Phoenix will be fire together :)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Stolen on May 06, 2021, 06:33:57 PM
According to French actor Mehdi Nebbou (who play in House of Gucci), Ridley Scott will start scouting for the shooting of Kitbag.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 06, 2021, 06:53:31 PM
In France?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 06, 2021, 10:02:21 PM
He also played Nizar in Body of Lies.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Stolen on May 07, 2021, 07:03:34 PM
In Malta according to Dariusz Wolski.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 07, 2021, 07:23:39 PM
Malta... that's where Scott filmed Gladiator's Rome scenes.

Napoleon also briefly conquered the Maltese islands.


Quote from: Dariusz WolskiOff to the next one, Malta early scout for Napoleon

https://www.instagram.com/p/COlI-NfBxpg/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/COlI-NfBxpg/)

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 07, 2021, 07:35:19 PM
They just literally wrapped Gucci and went straight to the next project? These boys don't f**k around ;D
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 07, 2021, 07:40:29 PM
Yeah, the old man didn't even bother taking a day off.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 07, 2021, 07:48:02 PM
No time to waste at age of 83!
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 07, 2021, 08:56:23 PM
If Kitbag is currently scouting, then we're probably due to start hearing about Ridley's next project or two that he has lined up for after this one in the coming days. :D
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on May 07, 2021, 08:58:16 PM
Sadly I doubt Wraiths of the Broken Land will be among them.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 07, 2021, 09:50:40 PM
Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 10, 2021, 03:44:05 PM
Interesting to note in that post how Wolski refers to the film as "Napoleon" rather than "Kitbag".

Hopefully this means they've seen some sense and changed the title.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 10, 2021, 08:17:36 PM
Very likely. I simply cannot imagine movie about Napoleon called Kitbag.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Atram on May 30, 2021, 04:04:55 PM
Is Jodie confirmed?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jun 14, 2021, 06:21:19 PM
According to Ridley:

Spoiler
RIDLEY SCOTT I'll show you. I'm working on [a film about Napoleon Bonaparte]. It's starting with a snowball fight in Corsica. I want Napoleon as a young boy to put a stone inside a snowball because he's losing the fight to the other boys in his military school. He fights dirty. So I draw that out. It fits the location I've already found in Malta, a fantastic Napoleonic courtyard. But it all starts with a great script [by David Scarpa]. The script is inspiring. I read it, and I started drawing, which means I'm filming already.
[close]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ridley-scott-raised-by-wolves-1234965758/
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 14, 2021, 06:57:57 PM
It's gonna be artificial snow again if he's filming in Malta.  :laugh:

I wonder if the courtyard he is referring to could be the Palace of the Grand Master's courtyard?

Looks suitably "Napoleonic":

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg7n0eoWAAIFWlC?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Gazz on Jun 15, 2021, 12:47:42 AM
This is just me bullshitting but is Luke Scott working on something Alien related? From the interview he's very guarded about what the project is he's currently working on:

QuoteRIDLEY SCOTT Luke has a talent for writing. ... I work so fast, I'm better off directing and trying to get some great footage. Luke has a talent for writing, and I know he's stepping up to the plate right now, doing something right now.

What are you working on right now, Luke?

LUKE SCOTT (Quick pause.) I'm not going to tell you! (Laughs.)

The only hint Ridley lets loose is:

Quote

Ridley, anything you want to ask Luke about?

RIDLEY SCOTT Well, he won't tell you what he's [working on next] ... but he's about to find out what it's really like to design something that's going to be really scary.

Just a stray thought.

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 15, 2021, 12:49:41 AM
Quote from: Gazz on Jun 15, 2021, 12:47:42 AM
This is just me bullshitting but is Luke Scott working on something Alien related? From the interview he's very guarded about what the project is he's currently working on:

QuoteRIDLEY SCOTT Luke has a talent for writing. ... I work so fast, I'm better off directing and trying to get some great footage. Luke has a talent for writing, and I know he's stepping up to the plate right now, doing something right now.

What are you working on right now, Luke?

LUKE SCOTT (Quick pause.) I'm not going to tell you! (Laughs.)

The only hint Ridley lets loose is:

Quote

Ridley, anything you want to ask Luke about?

RIDLEY SCOTT Well, he won't tell you what he's [working on next] ... but he's about to find out what it's really like to design something that's going to be really scary.

Just a stray thought.

Posted about that in the Hawley Alien series thread; my gut tells me that, now that Ridley's 100% on board on that show as a producer, Luke may very well be directing some episodes of the Alien show like he did Raised by Wolves.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 03, 2021, 12:10:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1433749944121319425
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 03, 2021, 04:44:07 PM
[EXCLUSIVE] first look at Kitbag (2022)

Dir: Ridley Scott
DoP: Dariusz Wolski

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/01/08/15/cat-in-the-bag.jpg?width=1200)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 20, 2021, 04:22:39 PM
Ridley busy with location scouting for Kitbag in Blighty?

https://twitter.com/MarkBowsherFilm/status/1439979635081613322 (https://twitter.com/MarkBowsherFilm/status/1439979635081613322)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 13, 2021, 04:34:03 PM
HBO has also recently announced a new Napoleon series based on Stanley Kubrick's notes. Kinda funny because when Ridley was doing All the Money in the World, Danny Boyle also started filming a new Getty kidnap drama series called "Trust".

https://twitter.com/Collider/status/1446162654146351105 (https://twitter.com/Collider/status/1446162654146351105)

Apparently filming on Kitbag will start on 22 January next near.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 05, 2021, 09:55:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDa0uw4WYAAN1pO?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 05, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
So battle scenes will be shot in Blighty. In middle of winter. Nice.

They should hire the Scottish battle re-enactors from The Last Duel again.

They're quite hardy and got lots of experience and lots of hair:  ;D

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCJW7viX0AAuwgI?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 10, 2021, 07:37:46 PM
They'll be shooting in Oxfordshire:

https://twitter.com/TheOxfordMail/status/1458358770849832963 (https://twitter.com/TheOxfordMail/status/1458358770849832963)


Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 12, 2021, 05:41:00 PM
Scott talks Kitbag in this interview with Deadline:

Quote from: DeadlineDEADLINE: You will next shoot Kitbag, with your Gladiator star Joaquin Phoenix, and Jodie Comer, who played the wronged woman in The Last Duel and will portray Josephine, whom Napoleon was obsessed with. Why them?

SCOTT: Well, I think you got to land on a talent. When I chose Joaquin for Gladiator, everybody wondered why. I chose him because of a body of work that was so special and so personal. I also found that he was a very fragile kind of guy at that particular point, and I wanted to capture the fragility which would give me that scene with the father, Richard Harris, saying I'm not going to give you the big job, dude. Sorry about it. He is elegant enough to contain his rage and say, what older, wiser man can do this instead of me? So, it's almost Shakespearean, and I think, you know, Joaquin can do anything. So, when he then does something like Joker, there are moments in the Joker that I've never seen before. There are reactions in the Joker which are silly. You can't just say they're not evil. They're coming from a damaged soul. And that's what I'm looking for, What will Joaquin's version of Napoleon be? He will be the painter of his own portrait, and I'll be there to monitor it as best I can because that's what I do. I make sure I cast great. If I cast great, half my work, there's that part, for me is done on the day, and after that I'm tagging along as their partner. Meanwhile, I've got a few other things to think about as well, right?

And oh, Jodie Comer. I became the biggest fan of Jodie because I kept watching Killing Eve, which I think was always fantastic. The interplay between her and her nemesis, Sandra Oh, was so comedic and marvelous. I just watched every show after that. Then I watch her evolve into this kind of Russian vernacular. She's genius. I think she can do anything. So, I want to be in her painting class.

DEADLINE: Stanley Kubrick is one you hold in such high esteem that you credited his 2001: A Space Odyssey for inspiring George Lucas' Star Wars, which led you to drop the film you were going to make, and find Alien. He had an epic Napoleon film he wanted to make it right after 2001 when he was at the peak of his powers. He couldn't do it. How are you able to?

SCOTT: It was birth to death, the entire story of Napoleon Bonaparte. I think what Stanley would've done is made the whole f**king thing, birth to death, and then he'd reorganize the whole f**king thing once it was all on cinema.

DEADLINE: He did recut several of his films after they were released.

SCOTT: I also think the script was too straightforward. There was no dimension in the story. Mine, I developed it. I had this idea of saying what I want to do next is Napoleon, and I usually choose what I want to do next anyway. Sometimes something falls in front of me, and The Last Duel was that. Matt Damon called me and said we got this thing we want to do. Are you interested? You've done the duel already with The Duellists, but this is a different. He told me about it, and I was in. and I got a screenplay in about six weeks. Sorry, what was your question?

DEADLINE: I was asking what you learned from Kubrick's approach to Napoleon, and it seems like you've broken off a piece of the story instead of taking the whole bite like Kubrick did.

SCOTT: No, you can't. You'll bore the ass off of everyone. Have you ever watched Waterloo? Holy f**k. That's just doing one battle. I'm sorry, Sergei Bondarchuk. You've got to be very careful in battle films that you understand what's going on. Otherwise they very quickly wear out and get boring. I don't care how majestic it is. I don't care how many uniforms you got. It gets boring. Napoleon had about 61 battles. Bondarchuk tried to do it with one. You can't tell Napoleon in one either, because we're meeting him at the end of his life as a leader, and he would go on another six years after Waterloo when he was in prison on Saint Helena. I feel you can't do Napoleon in one battle. So, I narrowed it down to this.

DEADLINE: Your take on Napoleon?

SCOTT: I narrowed it down to what was so needful of Napoleon to this woman, and what became so needful for this woman to Napoleon Bonaparte. Why this connection? You can't say sex because sex wears out, right? That would be way too simple. By the time he set eyes on her, she was already a courtesan, which means she was definitely a high-end lady in the courts where she was on the lookout for the next guy who had enough money that could cope with her.

But also, she was vulnerable, which was key. She was mid-30s, and she knows beauty doesn't last forever, and she knows she had to find something in her life to give her some kind of sense of permanence. Napoleon is very interesting because we think he might've been, and I don't want to use the word because it sounds too simplistic, but slightly dysfunctional, very lacking in social graces, and it's certainly a bit like one who doesn't think things absolutely through, but just goes for it. Actually, he sounds like me. I just f**king go for it. I don't give a f**k what happens, but he just goes for it, that works. That Napoleon is a very interesting character we're building. In fact, I'm seeing Joaquin in an hour. We're talking about how we dare waltz with an accent, and you can't do that. You've got to find the rhythm. Like, in Gucci you find the Italian rhythm.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 22, 2021, 06:46:49 PM
QuoteNext up for Scott is his epic Napoleon drama Kitbag, which he revealed to the BBC is to start filming on January 15.

https://deadline.com/2021/11/ridley-scott-hits-back-at-gucci-family-criticism-reveals-napoleon-biopic-kitbag-filming-date-1234878689/
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 23, 2021, 02:12:15 AM
Will the helmets be showing up in this too?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 23, 2021, 04:04:34 PM
Thankfully, by the time of the Napoleonic Wars, helmets were no longer de rigueur.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 24, 2021, 12:45:42 AM
Just really sweet hats, if The Duellists is anything to go by.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 24, 2021, 03:41:55 PM
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/french-soldier-moscow-russia-september-moscow-city-day-anniversary-city-performance-tverskaya-street-napoleon-era-77786066.jpg)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Nov 24, 2021, 07:25:28 PM
I don't understand what he is trying to say. So he says Waterloo is boring because it is all centered on one battle? But he loves the film Zulu which takes the same approach, right... Does this mean that he will film several Napoleonic battles (making it repetitive and confusing) or is he saying he won't film any battles at all and concentrate on Napoleons' love life?

If he says Kubricks version wanted to do it all making it too big and he (Ridley Scott) finds attention on one battle boring then it surely means he won't have any battles scenes at all, instead he will focus on Napoleons formative years and later his love life.

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 24, 2021, 07:45:07 PM
I'm sure there will be plenty of battles. There's a casting call for lots of military extras on the previous page. I think what he means to say is that he's trying to find a balance. It's not going to be one battle and nothing else, and it's not going to include every little detail from Napoleon's life either. There's going to be battles and there is going to be romance. It's about trying to catch the essence of the man.

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Nov 24, 2021, 09:11:48 PM
The battles should be easy enough go film, just produce a lot of smoke from the gun and canon shot rounds and done ;-)
Those battles apparently were smokey as hell
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 24, 2021, 09:36:43 PM
Scott is Smoke Grandmaster.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/6f/c5/db6fc51b974b3f77c4e5f75718f399be.jpg)

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2021, 09:55:02 PM
Anyone else notice how Ridley loves to show airborne particulates in his movies?  Here's an example:



He did in Gladiator and Legend too.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 24, 2021, 10:04:28 PM
Love that scene in KoH. Sudden snow in Gladiator during battle in Germania was pure coincidence. It simply started snowing during the shooting.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2021, 10:08:20 PM
But there was no snow in this scene from Legend.

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 24, 2021, 10:13:18 PM
It pollen flower. Anyway, it looks good. Scott loves movements on the screen.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2021, 10:37:29 PM
I don't think it's bad thing, just that it seems to be a signature staple of Ridley's cinematography.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 24, 2021, 10:52:20 PM
He mentioned that - I might be wrong - Kurosawa inspired him when it comes to the movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doaQC-S8de8&ab_channel=EveryFrameaPainting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doaQC-S8de8&ab_channel=EveryFrameaPainting)

Regarding battle in Germania. It's funny how John Mathieson talks about it: "when you look at the sequence is all over the place"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_AWNqT9l_Y&ab_channel=CookeOpticsTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_AWNqT9l_Y&ab_channel=CookeOpticsTV)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 25, 2021, 04:45:32 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2021, 09:55:02 PM
Anyone else notice how Ridley loves to show airborne particulates in his movies?  Here's an example:

Yeah, the smoke and rain in Blade Runner was to disguise the fact that they were shooting on a backlot. The "pollen" and "snow" (very fine polystyrene) in Legend probably to help disguise the fact that everything was shot inside a soundstage. Even had huge fans blowing to simulate wind. The floating bubbles was used to indicate when "fairy magic" was at work. Both the polystyrene snow and bubbles effect can also be seen in Blade Runner during the Zhora shooting scene.

The "snow" in that Kingdom of Heaven clip you posted was actually ash particles produced from "sfx snow candles". The same technique was used again in The Last Duel.

The smoke also helps create depth by separating foreground and background elements and creates atmosphere. In Alien, Prometheus and The Martian storm sequences they also used lots of particles to show the force of the storm.








Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Nov 25, 2021, 07:19:16 PM
Legend is Ridley Scotts most beautiful looking film. It is the pinnacle of set building.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 26, 2021, 04:45:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFDp8wGXIAgJu89?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 26, 2021, 05:32:43 PM
I envisage a lot of shaggy youths roaming the Midlands this winter.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 26, 2021, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 26, 2021, 05:32:43 PM
I envisage a lot of shaggy youths with cell phones.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 26, 2021, 05:45:37 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 26, 2021, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 26, 2021, 05:32:43 PM
I envisage a lot of shaggy "millennians" with "f*cking cell phones".
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 14, 2021, 05:09:32 PM
In the Janty Yates video interview I posted in The Last Duel thread, you can see some art relating to Kitbag on her office wall.

Looks like Ridley will be using the works of French painter, Jacques-Louis David as key-art for the look of this film:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Jacques-Louis_David_-_The_Coronation_of_Napoleon_%281805-1807%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Jacques-Louis_David_-_The_Emperor_Napoleon_in_His_Study_at_the_Tuileries_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)

Ridley is known to use famous classical paintings in order to establish the overall look of his film or to define key scenes with it.

Previous examples include:

Nighthawks by Edward Hopper for Blade Runner:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Nighthawks_by_Edward_Hopper_1942.jpg)

Isle of the Dead by Arnold Böcklin for Alien: Covenant:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Arnold_B%C3%B6cklin_-_Die_Toteninsel_III_%28Alte_Nationalgalerie%2C_Berlin%29.jpg)

and Pollice Verso by French painter, Jean-Leon Gerome for Gladiator:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Jean-Leon_Gerome_Pollice_Verso.jpg)




Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 23, 2021, 09:02:35 PM
New lengthy interview with Janty Yates just released:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aToQWZTSX8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aToQWZTSX8)

Janty talks a bit about Ridley's techniques and drops a few snippets from Kitbag that is currently in pre-production.

-Says there are 185 actors that she is costuming.
-Talks a bit about Josephine's red dress.
-Says Kitbag will be shot entirely on location.
-Says that Gucci was originally supposed to shoot before The Last Duel, but then Ridley got a phone call from Matt Damon and put Gucci on hold.
-Says Ridley's legendary commercial count is actually 5000, probably 6000 commercials.  :laugh:

In this interview, you can again see some classical paintings in the background that are being used as reference.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHUDB8eVEBUr9qU?format=jpg&name=large)

In addition to the two from Jacques-Louis David previously mentioned above, there is also Napoleon I on his Imperial Throne, by French Neoclassical painter, Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Ingres%2C_Napoleon_on_his_Imperial_throne.jpg)

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 23, 2021, 10:31:14 PM
In terms of colour pallet this movie will stand in opposition to The Last Duel. It's going to be colorful.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 24, 2021, 01:48:28 AM
Scott revisiting both duels and the Napoleonic Wars within a year is neat.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 24, 2021, 03:50:59 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 23, 2021, 10:31:14 PM
In terms of colour pallet this movie will stand in opposition to The Last Duel. It's going to be colorful.

Probably yeah. It's also kinda bizarre how Joaquin Phoenix (who previously played a Roman Emperor) will now play the Emperor Napoleon, who in turn styled himself after the ancient Roman Emperors*.

*(Note the golden laurel wreath Napoleon wears in the painting above, same as Phoenix wore in Gladiator.)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkTzO_TU0AAq34g?format=jpg&name=medium)

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 31, 2021, 08:50:07 PM
https://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1477017423341621249

Quote from: DeadlineRidley Scott just turned 84 years old on November 30 and he must be slowing down. He only had two, count 'em, two major, star-laden, big-scale movies he directed that were released this fall: House of Gucci and The Last Duel. Oh, and he has already prepped, storyboarded and cast his next massive epic about Napoleon and Josephine tentatively titled Kitbag and starring Joaquin Phoenix and Jodie Comer. It starts shooting right near the start of the new year in France (Covid permitting, but that has not stopped Scott, who made both the above mentioned 2021 films in the midst of the pandemic).

As he told me when I spoke with him for this week's episode of my Deadline video series Behind the Lens, this new film will have just six major battle sequences as opposed to only one in some past films based on the historical figure. As you might recall, none other than Stanley Kubrick was planning a Napoleon film that just never got off the ground, but that is almost never the case with Scott, who also has a new sequel to his 2000 Best Picture Oscar winner Gladiator, and another chapter in the Alien saga in the pipeline.

https://deadline.com/video/ridley-scott-behind-the-lens/
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 01, 2022, 01:00:29 PM
This Monday? It's ahead of reported schedule (mid-January). Starts in France and then moves to UK like with The Last Duel?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 01, 2022, 03:41:29 PM
Yep, Monday the 3rd. I previously saw some other reports that it would start this early (including a comment from Jodie Comer). Don't think they'll be shooting as long in France as with The Last Duel.


Also, behind Ridley you can see another classical painting by French painter François Gérard, called "Portrait of Emperor Napoleon I".

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH9n3adXsAUT8np?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Fran%C3%A7ois_G%C3%A9rard_-_Napoleon_I_001.JPG)

Very similar to the one by Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres posted above.

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Stolen on Jan 04, 2022, 07:01:37 PM
Curious about the cast, I still hope for some surprises.
This topic will be our home for a few months.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 04, 2022, 09:04:03 PM
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1478471367569903619

:(
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
Holy shit!

Quote"Unfortunately, due to COVID and changes of schedule, I don't think I can make Kitbag work right now due to a scheduling conflict," the actress told THR's Scott Feinberg on his Awards Chatter podcast. She wasn't thrilled about the development, calling it "rubbish."

She didn't call the development rubbish but the fact that due to covid and schedule conflict she couldn't make it. Journalists f**king hell.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 04, 2022, 09:08:40 PM
Really bummed about this... her performance in The Last Duel was one of 2021's very best, and I was really excited to see her reunite with Ridley again.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2022, 09:14:42 PM
The main question is: who's going to replace her?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 04, 2022, 11:58:02 PM
https://twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1478515295891247104l

Vanessa Kirby is in.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 05, 2022, 07:48:35 AM
Good choice. She was apparently great in Pieces of a Woman.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 05, 2022, 09:24:22 AM
Will miss Jodie Comer...
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 05, 2022, 10:16:51 AM
She was great in The Last Duel but on the other hand it's refreshing to see new face.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 05, 2022, 04:27:44 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
Quote"Unfortunately, due to COVID and changes of schedule, I don't think I can make Kitbag work right now due to a scheduling conflict," the actress told THR's Scott Feinberg on his Awards Chatter podcast. She wasn't thrilled about the development, calling it "rubbish."

She didn't call the development rubbish but the fact that due to covid and schedule conflict she couldn't make it. Journalists f**king hell.

Yeah, I feel sorry for her, she seemed very excited about the project. Even said they were starting filming on Kitbag just after new year a couple of weeks back.

She said it was always her dream to star in period drama's, and Ridley is King of Period Dramas.

I assume she had another prior contract which had priority over this that got rescheduled due to Covid? Because this is very, very sudden and quite a bombshell for Ridley & Co. as well to recast on such a short notice. Her costumes were already made and would likely need to be re-tailored now.

While I don't know the circumstances surrounding this, I recon she should just have said "f**k it" to the overriding project (perhaps another season of Killing Eve?) and paid the breach of contract penalty fee.

It's also bad for the picture, because with The Last Duel, Comer did a lot of research on the Lady Marguerite prior to filming. She would likely have heavily researched the Empress Josephine as well. Now Kirby is being thrown into the deep end at the eleventh hour with no time for research or preparation.

Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Jan 05, 2022, 07:05:23 PM
This will be a huge film if this will go from Napoleon's childhood till his final battle. 180 + minutes
Just guessing of course.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Smilion on Jan 06, 2022, 08:50:32 AM
Considering this is a historical epic, there should be a large ensemble cast, probably much larger than in The Last Duel. Given the fact, that this starts shooting next week, I do wonder when shall we get any further announcements about the actors Ridley has cast.

And this might really sound a bit sacrilegious, while I found Comer's acting in The Last Duel to be immaculate, I am somehow really interested in what Kirby can bring to the role since I really like her as an actress (probably more than Comer actually). She was magnificent in The Crown, Pieces of the Woman, and The World to Come.

Also, does anyone perhaps have David Scarpa's script and is willing to share it by PM? I've heard it is circling around.  :)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2022, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 05, 2022, 04:27:44 PM
It's also bad for the picture, because with The Last Duel, Comer did a lot of research on the Lady Marguerite prior to filming. She would likely have heavily researched the Empress Josephine as well. Now Kirby is being thrown into the deep end at the eleventh hour with no time for research or preparation.

I don't think that's a big issue. She'll rely one the script. Also Ridley and maybe Scarpa (if he's going to be on the set) might help. But at the end she's an actress and it's going to be her interpretation of the character. Frankly speaking I know nothing about Josephine :)

(https://cdn.britannica.com/71/185771-050-2C1BC529/Josephine-oil-canvas-Francois-Gerard.jpg)

Also, I'm intrigued about those 6 main battles. Any ideas?

10 Key Battles in the Napoleonic Wars: https://www.historyhit.com/key-battles-in-the-napoleonic-wars/

I hope Ridley would tackle Battle of the Pyramids (1798), but he's gonna shoot on location so it's likely not gonna happen.

(https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/3/battle-of-the-pyramids-dirk-langendijk.jpg)

QuoteVanessa Kirby is Ridley Scott's choice to play Empress Josephine opposite Joaquin Phoenix's Napoleon in Kitbag, the historical drama for Apple that begins production this spring.

Spring?

https://deadline.com/2022/01/kitbag-vanessa-kirby-joaquin-phoenix-ridley-scott-napoleon-apple-replace-jodie-comer-1234904510/
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 06, 2022, 03:32:06 PM
Apparently Jodie left due to a West End theatrical commitment. Strange choice for an upcoming Hollywood superstar who just did the financially successful blockbuster, Free Guy and the critically acclaimed The Last Duel. Equivalent to Ridley doing Alien and Blade Runner and then deciding to go back to doing TV commercials.

She was probably locked into a contract but there are ways around that.

Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2022, 11:25:09 AM
I don't think that's a big issue. She'll rely one the script. Also Ridley and maybe Scarpa (if he's going to be on the set) might help. But at the end she's an actress and it's going to be her interpretation of the character. Frankly speaking I know nothing about Josephine :)

Yeah well, Christopher Plummer was in the same situation and he managed to pull it off and got an Oscar nom as well. Jodie doesn't do method but she does a lot of research for her roles.

QuoteI'm intrigued about those 6 main battles. Any ideas?

Waterloo and Battle of Leipzig for sure.

Battle of the Pyramids can be shot in Morocco which often stands in for Egypt. Ridley has shot Black Hawk Down, Gladiator and Kingdom of Heaven there. Would be nice there this time of the year, although I haven't seen any indication that they are going to shoot there yet.

QuoteAlso, does anyone perhaps have David Scarpa's script and is willing to share it by PM? I've heard it is circling around.

Is the script out in the wild yet? Wasn't aware. KiramidHead can fix you up with any script if that is indeed the case.


Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Jan 06, 2022, 06:38:33 PM
I really don't see how you can cram 6 battles in 1 movie. The movie must have a mammoth running time.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2022, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 06, 2022, 03:32:06 PM
QuoteAlso, does anyone perhaps have David Scarpa's script and is willing to share it by PM? I've heard it is circling around.

Is the script out in the wild yet? Wasn't aware. KiramidHead can fix you up with any script if that is indeed the case.

Yes, please.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 06, 2022, 08:28:39 PM
I haven't heard anything about the script for this yet.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ridlazz921 on Jan 07, 2022, 07:46:25 AM
Well except from The duel itself, The Last Duel had 3 battle scenes. So u can have a few big battles and u can glance over a few battles in the same way TLD did with inserts like that.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 07, 2022, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2022, 11:25:09 AM
QuoteVanessa Kirby is Ridley Scott's choice to play Empress Josephine opposite Joaquin Phoenix's Napoleon in Kitbag, the historical drama for Apple that begins production this spring.

Spring?

https://deadline.com/2022/01/kitbag-vanessa-kirby-joaquin-phoenix-ridley-scott-napoleon-apple-replace-jodie-comer-1234904510/

KFTV is also now saying spring. I assume Jodie's sudden departure has pushed the start of production back to March or April, or else the production was pushed back for another reason which in turn caused Jodie's scheduling conflicts.

https://twitter.com/KFTV/status/1479425415081074694


Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 07, 2022, 11:20:22 PM
Quote from: nanison on Jan 06, 2022, 06:38:33 PM
I really don't see how you can cram 6 battles in 1 movie. The movie must have a mammoth running time.

You can. It depends on how they're going to depict them. They don't have to go into details and I'm more than certain that they won't. Kitbag is story of relationship between Bonaparte and Josephine. I'm guessing that battles will play role of backgrounds for the story and character development (Napoleon) on the other hand.

Has Ridley ever shot in Malta?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 08, 2022, 08:05:22 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 07, 2022, 11:20:22 PM
Has Ridley ever shot in Malta?

Yep, yep, yep, both Ridley and Phoenix:

(https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/306462f/dd3ed505/gladiator-film-set-in-malta-1999-shutterstock-editorial-306462f.jpg)

Quite a lot of people were recently speculating that UK would go under lockdown after New Year, even though Boris was just going on about "plan B" all the time. So I wonder if that is what caused the production to be pushed back to spring? Not sure what the situation in France is like, whether that could also have contributed to a possible delay in filming?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 09, 2022, 11:07:34 AM
Ah shit, I've completely forgotten about Gladiator. Do know why I was thinking about Kingdom of Heaven's scene from Messina (Sicily).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt0Sjyp2WsE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt0Sjyp2WsE)
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 11, 2022, 05:59:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Jriefe/status/1480960411654447110

According to this new article published by The LA Times about 3 hours ago, Kitbag will begin filming this month.

So I wonder what is going on?
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 12, 2022, 06:49:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1481319802996150277

Getting paywalled by this article after a few paragraphs. Don't know if there are any Telegraph subscribers who can kindly copy pasta the whole thing here?

https://twitter.com/nessuno2001/status/1481333532710551563
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 13, 2022, 11:27:21 PM
QuoteIt's the hand Scott uses to draw the storyboards for his films in pen and ink, to operate a camera on his shoots and to do oil paintings on weekends. It's also the hand that Scott had just put down on a thick, rusty screw jutting from a piece of driftwood in early December, when he slipped on some rocks on a beach in France while scouting locations for his next movie, Kitbag.

"The worst thing about it is when you're my age they think, 'Oh, the old guy's fallen down,'" Scott says. "I say, 'Get off. I'm fine. Get off. You go on, I'll see you later.' So I went up to the hospital, bleeding hand, and got stitches and things. I heal like a shark. So I'm healed. Now, my mother would say, 'You'll be fine.' And that's why I'm fine, and I'm fine."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/ridley-scott-interview-the-last-duel-house-of-gucci-1235073041/
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 14, 2022, 05:47:23 PM
New, The Playlist interview with Vanessa Kirby:

https://twitter.com/ThePlaylistNews/status/1482040707065925635

Quote"We start pretty soon, in a few weeks now."

So we won't have to wait till spring. :)

Quote"So I'm just trying to stuff in all my knowledge about French history, and about this really extraordinary person, Josephine "

Says there is a lot of "forensic" research she has to do on the character. Also says she has gone back and re-watched all of Ridley's films.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 14, 2022, 06:00:04 PM
She got through Counselor and Exodus without any serious reservations about Scott? :laugh:
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film about Jonesy the cat
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 14, 2022, 06:07:03 PM
I'm sure any reservations about above mentioned films would have been tempered by the likes of Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma & Louis, The Duellists, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven DC, Black Hawk Down, The Martian and The Last Duel. :P
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2022, 01:54:56 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 14, 2022, 06:07:03 PM
I'm sure any reservations about above mentioned films would have been tempered by the likes of Alien, Blade Runner, Thelma & Louis, The Duellists, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven DC, Black Hawk Down, The Martian and The Last Duel. :P

And House of Gucci. Boof!
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 15, 2022, 03:09:28 PM
And American Gangster.
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2022, 03:28:55 PM
That's one I actually haven't seen. Need to remedy that...
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 18, 2022, 08:35:46 PM
Kitbag retitled to Napoleon. No surprise.

https://deadline.com/2022/01/kevin-walsh-moves-scott-free-president-to-apple-production-deal-1234912124/
Title: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 18, 2022, 08:45:41 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/g_d3iHyzc68AAAAM/hammaya-relaxed.gif)

I get the meaning of the word "kitbag" in connection with ol' Boney, but it makes for a really awful title. Glad Riddles (or more likely the producers) saw some sense.

Now where's that wanker Mr. Jonesy? He needs to change the title of the thread to "Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix". :D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 18, 2022, 10:25:57 PM
Hey calm down Mr. 8 Passenger, I'm here to help  :P
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 18, 2022, 11:41:23 PM
Thank you Mr. Jones, that's an immense relief.  :laugh:

Although I must admit, Kitbag is kind of a funny title. Funny in the same way the half-helmets are both funny and bloody awful at the same time.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 19, 2022, 12:03:04 AM
"I always thought my life was a tragedy, but it's really just a f**king kitbag." - Napoleon
Title: Re: Kitbag - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 19, 2022, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 18, 2022, 08:35:46 PM
Kitbag retitled to Napoleon. No surprise.

https://deadline.com/2022/01/kevin-walsh-moves-scott-free-president-to-apple-production-deal-1234912124/

They also mention filming will start in February.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 28, 2022, 07:13:05 PM
Newest video interview (28 Jan) with Ridley about his career. Great stuff. Ridley shows Ridleygrams of the opening of Napoleon (24:28). The movie will begin with
Spoiler
an execution of the queen.
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https://deadline.com/video/ridley-scott-house-of-gucci-film-that-lit-my-fuse-the-searchers-walter-mitty-gilda/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 28, 2022, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 28, 2022, 07:13:05 PM
Spoiler
an execution of the queen.
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Spoiler
Marie Antoinette?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKOz_MAUUAAcDeM?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 29, 2022, 10:12:31 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 28, 2022, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 28, 2022, 07:13:05 PM
Spoiler
an execution of the queen.
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Spoiler
Marie Antoinette?
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Must be. Scott mentioned that famous
Spoiler
bread quote, however he then rectified that she actually didn't say that.

Quote"Let them eat cake" is the most famous quote attributed to Marie-Antoinette, the queen of France during the French Revolution. As the story goes, it was the queen's response upon being told that her starving peasant subjects had no bread. Because cake is more expensive than bread, the anecdote has been cited as an example of Marie-Antoinette's obliviousness to the conditions and daily lives of ordinary people. But did she ever actually utter those words? Probably not.

For one thing, the original French phrase that Marie-Antoinette is supposed to have said—"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"—doesn't exactly translate as "Let them eat cake." It translates as, well, "Let them eat brioche." Of course, since brioche is a rich bread made with eggs and butter, almost as luxurious as cake, it doesn't really change the point of the story. But the queen wouldn't have been referring to the sort of dessert that English speakers often imagine.

More important, though, there is absolutely no historical evidence that Marie-Antoinette ever said "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" or anything like it. So where did the quote come from, and how did it become associated with Marie-Antoinette?

As it happens, folklore scholars have found similar tales in other parts of the world, although the details differ from one version to another. In a tale collected in 16th-century Germany, for instance, a noblewoman wonders why the hungry poor don't simply eat Krosem (a sweet bread). Essentially, stories of rulers or aristocrats oblivious to their privileges are popular and widespread legends.

The first person to put the specific phrase "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" into print may have been the French philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau. In Book VI of Rousseau's Confessions (written about 1767), he relates a version of the story, attributing the quote to "a great princess." Although Marie-Antoinette was a princess at the time, she was still a child, so it is unlikely that she was the princess Rousseau had in mind.

Since Rousseau's writings inspired the revolutionaries, it has sometimes been supposed that they picked up on this quote, falsely credited it to Marie-Antoinette, and spread it as propaganda, as a way to rouse opposition to the monarchy. However, contemporary researchers are skeptical of such claims, having found no evidence of the quote in newspapers, pamphlets, and other materials published by the revolutionaries.

Amazingly, the earliest known source connecting the quote with the queen was published more than 50 years after the French Revolution. In an 1843 issue of the journal Les Guêpes, the French writer Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr reported having found the quote in a "book dated 1760," which he said proved that the rumor about Marie-Antoinette was false. Rumor? Like so many of us, he was probably just repeating something he had heard.

https://www.britannica.com/story/did-marie-antoinette-really-say-let-them-eat-cake
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 30, 2022, 09:59:30 AM
Ha, I looked that up as well.  :laugh:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

In fact, her attitude towards the poor seems much different to that misatrubuted quote:

QuoteIt is quite certain that in seeing the people who treat us so well despite their own misfortune, we are more obliged than ever to work hard for their happiness. The King seems to understand this truth.

— Marie Antoinette

Another grim fact about her, is that her last words were an apology to her executioner after accidentally stepping on his foot.


Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Some Old Dude on Jan 30, 2022, 11:12:08 AM
I'm not at all shocked about Ridley being so flippant over that particular historical figures death lol. Can't wait for more casting news, Duke of Wellington especially since I expect he'll be Ridleys self insert.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 30, 2022, 04:24:03 PM
Soon...

QuoteJoaquin Phoenix arrived on Friday the 28th, with Rooney Mara and his son River, in London to start filming #Napoleon by Ridley Scott #Kitbag

https://twitter.com/emi_veggie/status/1487484304926158856

https://twitter.com/HannaFlint/status/1487422502183874562



Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 31, 2022, 02:36:46 PM
Don't know how legit this is.

QuoteRidley Scott, Russell Crowe and Jurassic World director Colin Trevorrow were among the honorary winners at the inaugural Malta Film Awards on Saturday night (Jan 29). (...) Scott, Crowe and Keitel weren't in attendance but recorded video messages in which they also paid tribute to Malta and its film industry.

In his speech, Scott, who shot Gladiator and White Squall on the island, confirmed that he plans to return to Malta with his new Napoleon Bonaparte epic, Kitbag. This time round, he will be turning Fort Risacoli in Kalkara, Malta – which he first used in Gladiator – into the site of Bonaparte's first victory, at the siege of Toulon in 1793.

https://www.screendaily.com/news/russell-crowe-ridley-scott-colin-trevorrow-honoured-at-inaugural-malta-film-awards/5167055.article

It's Fort Ricasoli not Risacoli.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 31, 2022, 03:30:05 PM
Sounds legit to me.

Fort Ricasoli is the largest fort in Europe and saw action during the Napoleonic wars (although of course in a different context than in the film).

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/fort-ricasoli-aerial-view-island-malta-above-bastioned-built-order-saint-john-kalkara-gallows-point-north-shore-142443578.jpg)

Quotesiege of Toulon in 1793.

And now we know one of the six battles that will feature in the film.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 06, 2022, 08:29:23 AM
Filming starts tomorrow:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsandGT/status/1490225436143587329

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvITwBkZj-R7S83RdHAhuG6ixRAqIA6uDqpw&usqp=CAU)

Blenheim Palace, Oxfordshire.

Quote*IMPORTANT INFORMATION | PLEASE READ*

Due to a large private event, we are sorry that we have some #closure dates in February and March 2022. The closure dates and details are as follows:

👉🏽 From 7th - 9th February, the Park, Shop, and Oxfordshire Pantry will be open. The Palace and Formal and Walled Gardens will be closed.

👉🏽From 10th - 27th February, we will be fully closed, this includes parking and access to any areas on site.

👉🏽From 28th February - 2nd March, the Park, Shop, and Oxfordshire Pantry will be open. The Palace and Formal and Walled Gardens will be closed.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Feb 06, 2022, 09:30:01 AM
So it begins.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 06, 2022, 11:11:39 AM
The interiors look amazing, very Baroque:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/113114399/1641219818/1080x360)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Feb 06, 2022, 11:29:57 AM
But is this historically accurate? ;D

QuoteTwo weeks of road closures ahead of Joaquin Phoenix filming in Lincoln

Joaquin Phoenix will play Napoleon Bonaparte, with Vanessa Kirby as Empress Josephine after the actress replaced Jodie Comer who was originally cast for the role. According to IMDB, Youssef Kerkour and Liam Edwards will also be in the cast.

Two 10 Casting previously issued a casting call for paid extras for project 'Marengo'. Marengo was also the name of a battle fought in June 1800 between French forces under the First Consul Napoleon Bonaparte and Austrian forces near the city of Alessandria, in Piedmont, Italy.

The exact locations for filming have not yet been publicly revealed due to security reasons, however due to upcoming road closures it looks likely Lincoln Cathedral may be used. Filming will also reportedly take place in Oxfordshire and it is believed the film will be released in 2023.

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2022/02/two-weeks-of-road-closures-ahead-of-joaquin-phoenix-filming-in-lincoln/

Youssef Kerkour portrayed Nemir Kirdar in House of Gucci.

It seems like we've got our second battle revealed. Battle of Marengo in 1980. Four left.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 08, 2022, 05:14:04 PM
I wonder if Youssef Kerkour's presence might mean the inclusion of the Battle of the Pyramids? 


Lincoln Cathedral:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Lincoln_Cathedral_viewed_from_Lincoln_Castle.jpg/1920px-Lincoln_Cathedral_viewed_from_Lincoln_Castle.jpg)

And yeah, looks like it is going under the codename "Marengo". From Twitter:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFTz9qHXsAU0Uqt?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Feb 08, 2022, 05:19:41 PM
Marengo ?

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 08, 2022, 05:23:19 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marengo

Interestingly, Napoleon's horse was also called Marengo:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marengo_(horse)

QuoteMarengo (c. 1793–1831) was the famous war horse of Napoleon I of France. Named after the Battle of Marengo, through which he carried his rider safely, Marengo was imported to France from Egypt following the Battle of Abukir in 1799 as a six-year-old. The grey Arabian was probably bred at the famous El Naseri Stud. Although small (only 14.1 hands (57 inches, 145 cm)) he was a reliable, steady, and courageous mount.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Feb 16, 2022, 10:27:09 PM
Tahar Rahim joins Napoleon. Rahim will play Paul Barras, the powerful Commissioner of the Revolutionary Army.

https://deadline.com/2022/02/the-serpent-tahar-rahim-joaquin-phoenix-apple-ridley-scotts-napoleon-1234935281/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 17, 2022, 09:51:47 AM
Got to love Ridley though, casts an Aussie Caucasian as the pharaoh of Egypt, a Guatemalan as the king of England and now a North African as a French Caucasian.

Not to mention making Josephine 19 years Napoleon's junior.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2022, 03:42:53 PM
Who is going to play Pauline?

(https://i.ibb.co/NZ9WCB9/Lorenzo-Valles-Paulina-Borghese-in-Antonio-Canova-s-studio.jpg)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Feb 18, 2022, 03:47:23 PM
Huh ?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 18, 2022, 04:06:26 PM
Boney's sister.

I reckon the role will go to Grace Jones.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Feb 18, 2022, 04:20:15 PM
f**k, I thought I was still in the Hawley's Alien series discussion thread arguing about android names

Thanks for clarification
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 18, 2022, 04:26:55 PM
This is the Napoleon Bonaparte thread sir.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2022, 04:52:31 PM
I was about to ask that in Hawley's Alien series for derailment's sake.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Feb 18, 2022, 05:49:39 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2022, 04:52:31 PM
I was about to ask that in Hawley's Alien series for derailment's sake.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/U3gJ2aiVgv66dD0eGC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 18, 2022, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 18, 2022, 04:06:26 PM
Boney's sister.

I reckon the role will go to Grace Jones.

Mayday? :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2022, 03:44:19 PM
First look at filming currently underway at Blenheim Palace:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL_bo3lWQAoI50z?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2022, 05:18:28 PM
So have they started shooting or is it just pre-production?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2022, 05:27:12 PM
That looks like actual filming in progress I think.

It's quite a large private estate, so it will unfortunately be inaccessible to our friends the paparazzi.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2022, 05:48:36 PM
More photos please. I cannot find any.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2022, 05:52:55 PM
That's all I have at the moment - sorry.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2022, 06:05:04 PM
I want to see Ridley with his legendary puffer jacket.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 22, 2022, 09:19:10 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMIyA2fXIAM65W5?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 01, 2022, 07:02:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMwkYToXEAI10SG?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/A_drummingsong/status/1498703890094694407

https://twitter.com/BiffaBacon1/status/1498631186872209413
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 01, 2022, 10:18:28 PM
Russian palace? Hmm
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 02, 2022, 04:49:37 PM
Yeah, I don't know. I originally thought that it might stand in for a French palace.  :-\

Taken near West Wycombe:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1499002451357315077/3j-A46qw?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 02, 2022, 07:19:39 PM
My thought was exactly the same.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 04, 2022, 05:32:37 PM
I guess this is probably for the opening scene that Ridley described:

https://twitter.com/alixmortimer/status/1499743258125213696

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNAobwaWUAIxzeU?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Mar 05, 2022, 05:07:39 PM
Hopefully we will see some pics/footage from filming tomorrow (Sunday) March 6th.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 06, 2022, 11:41:43 AM
Another photo of the guillotine with some French flags in the background:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNGfHuhWQAwCwb0?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNGlc8RXsAEZj2z?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNGeN22WYAg40Q6?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNC1UJ2XMAgDqgM?format=jpg&name=large)



Filming in progress...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNKsGPCXsAUHHOR?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNLXXfYXsAwxfkZ?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNLiuXJX0AQYRFO?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNLiuXcXMAQsmta?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNLiuXwXIAQ2_UU?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNLOa7xXoAEfYF-?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNLObVRWUAku-Jj?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNLOcNDWUAMUtg4?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNLOc7KWYAQdEea?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Mar 07, 2022, 12:28:02 AM
What's the budget for this and how does it compare with similar epics like Gladiator, Troy,  Braveheart or even the ancient films like Ben Hur and Spartacus?
Can this film be the start of a new "era" of epics like how it was in the late 50s early 60s and the late 90s early 00s?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 07, 2022, 03:09:00 PM
It probably has a substantial budget inline with those epics you mentioned.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNQT53pXoAAulxV?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://mobile.twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1500828648672272386/photo/3)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNQDskMXIAItGKh?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNQDsvSWYAAMy1G?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 08, 2022, 03:50:43 PM
Filming at Greenwich Naval College today:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNVUQ8WWYAQn3I0?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNU1QFDXMAM7hop?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNURUWpXEAAIyhJ?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNVzsEtXIAcAuwo?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNVzsEuXIAkOVbP?format=jpg&name=large)

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Mar 08, 2022, 04:45:18 PM
My guess is they are filming exterior shots for Napoleon's over throw of the Council. Extras are wearing robes from that era.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 08, 2022, 08:02:03 PM
Cannot wait ;D

(https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/guillotine-gif-10.gif)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 09, 2022, 11:10:55 AM
Greenwich Naval College this morning:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNZmzilXMAEyG10?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNZPX5KXwAASItd?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNW_CD1UUAAzq3f?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 10, 2022, 05:33:22 AM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/10/00/55166537-0-image-a-92_1646871378695.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/10/00/55166535-0-image-m-96_1646871407034.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/10/00/55166533-0-image-a-95_1646871394816.jpg)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 10, 2022, 01:37:11 PM
The man himself.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Mar 10, 2022, 02:01:03 PM
I thought my life was a tragedy, then I realised I'm in a Ridley Scott movie


Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 08, 2022, 08:02:03 PM
Cannot wait ;D

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/guillotine-gif-10.gif

(https://c.tenor.com/pMOjimKlrngAAAAM/awkward-collar-tug-the-simpsons.gif)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Mar 10, 2022, 02:06:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5HuGFX6.jpeg)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 10, 2022, 06:59:19 PM
A few more photos from Greenwich Naval College today:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNgilg6XsAYcir1?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNgmX6AXwAI0EK3?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNgmX6HXwAYdimy?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNgNgLWXIAM8FVZ?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNgNgXOXMAQKBlC?format=jpg&name=medium)






Quote from: Kradan on Mar 10, 2022, 02:01:03 PM
I thought my life was a tragedy, then I realised I'm in a Ridley Scott movie

Black Shark Down (2022)

Dir: Ridley Scott

https://mobile.twitter.com/ray_o_tron/status/1500062651744882688
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 12, 2022, 01:07:17 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNl-7zAXMAohstb?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNl-_jMXwAgEyha?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 12, 2022, 05:39:29 PM
Looks historically accurate then, except maybe for the coat buttons?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmKv9PXsAA_DJj?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNjmn8wWQAANmTU?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNjmn82XIAU7aAi?format=jpg&name=large)




(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNkBt3tXIAMZbJL?format=jpg&name=large)

Footage of the filming:

https://twitter.com/histoiredenapo/status/1502597286844588034






Oh, shit... Riddles in big trouble...

https://twitter.com/HillingdonToday/status/1502664470400745474

https://twitter.com/LondonFire/status/1502072201167749129

https://twitter.com/hheraldnews/status/1502029317211107329

Wonder if the gunpowder was stored there?

https://twitter.com/airsealandlover/status/1502222979601731587

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1502282003844112391
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 12, 2022, 06:22:54 PM
Shit ...

QuoteHillingdon fire was in workshop of new Apple TV blockbuster directed by Ridley Scott

Filming for the historical epic slated for 2023 started yesterday in Greenwich

The West London fire on Thursday (March 10) night that required 70 firefighters to extinguish also enveloped a workshop that was part of the production of a new Ridley Scott epic being made for Apple TV, MyLondon has been told.

According to a source the workshop was 'destroyed' by the fire, which London Fire Brigade are still investigating the cause of. The film, with the working title Napoleon, is based on the historical figure Napoleon Bonaparte and stars Oscar winner Joaquin Phoenix as the French leader.

A source explained to MyLondon: "All I can say is that it's all been destroyed, the workshop. They're working there for a film called Napoleon, they've got various other workshops as well as this location. As for how the fire started they don't know at the moment."

The film has just started shooting in Greenwich this Friday in the wake of the fire in Uxbridge on Pield Heath Road Thursday evening. Star Joaquin Phoenix has even been sighted during the filming dressed in full military regalia, resembling the 18th century leader.

According to London Fire Brigade the blaze began at a storage unit at around 7.13pm. According to the Brigade one single-storey unit was completely alight and part of an adjoining unit was also alight as the fire spread. The single-storey storage unit as well as two shipping containers were completely destroyed by the blaze, while another single-storey storage unit was damaged.

Firefighters brought the blaze under control by 11.52pm, with no injuries having been reported. The cause of the fire remains under investigation.

Station Commander Clive Robinson, who was at the scene, said: "Crews worked hard to bring the fire under control and stop it spreading to other units.

"There were a number of cylinders involved in the fire, so firefighters cooled and removed them as cylinders can explode when exposed to heat.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/hillingdon-fire-workshop-new-apple-23367680
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 12, 2022, 06:30:49 PM
What were they storing in those containers, the gunpowder for the cannons?

Reminds me of the Legend set fire in which the 007 soundstage, the biggest soundstage in Europe at the time, burned down while they were shooting the campfire scenes. Ridley just walked away from that disaster and went and played a game of tennis.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 12, 2022, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2022, 06:30:49 PM
Ridley just walked away from that disaster and went and played a game of tennis.

For real? :)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNjmxdRWQAQSWgo?format=jpg&name=medium)

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNjmr1XWQAc6wo5?format=jpg&name=large)

I haven't seen Scott on leaked photos yet.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 12, 2022, 08:30:16 PM
Top picture looks like the scene of an horsemobile accident.  :-\

Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 12, 2022, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 12, 2022, 06:30:49 PM
Ridley just walked away from that disaster and went and played a game of tennis.

For real? :)

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ridlazz921 on Mar 12, 2022, 09:03:17 PM
Oh man!
THIS is gonna be f**king awesome!

Cant wait to see it, i love this time period and cant wait to see it be put on screen by Ridley.

Those hats, those coats <3 Cant wait to see the Womens costumes as well!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2022, 11:19:26 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/histoiredenapo/status/1502926941816598534

Vanessa Kirby as Josephine:

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNrtJc1XsAIchgx?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2022, 10:01:24 PM
Big spoiler

Spoiler
QuoteThe dramatic scenes shot in Greenwich, South-East London, on Thursday depict a key moment in Napoleon's ascent when his enemies tried to kill him in Paris on Christmas Eve in 1800.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/12/23/55276649-10606417-Sir_Ridley_said_Napoleon_is_a_man_who_has_always_fascinated_me_H-a-81_1647126569398.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/12/23/55276617-10606417-He_added_He_conquered_the_world_to_try_to_win_her_love_and_when_-a-82_1647126577629.jpg)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10606417/The-Crowns-Vanessa-Kirby-Joaquin-Phoenix-recreate-night-Napoleon-assassinated.html
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Mar 13, 2022, 10:10:11 PM
Oh no
Spoiler

Napoleon loses ?
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 15, 2022, 05:09:31 PM
From Somerset House last week:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN45v4DX0AcdDLT?format=jpg&name=large)

Preparations for filming at Lincoln Cathedral are now underway:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN56gWRXsAUUwRU?format=jpg&name=large)

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN56gT9WQAIjNHs?format=jpg&name=medium)

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2022, 06:46:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1504166212694994944

I guess this is what she had to drop Napoleon for...
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 16, 2022, 06:48:02 PM
I wouldn't be so sure.

Quote"Killing Eve" star Jodie Comer is set to star in drama series "Big Swiss" from producer Adam McKay, which is currently in the development stage at HBO.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2022, 06:50:36 PM
Boof.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2022, 01:46:08 PM
She had to drop out because of a prior commitment to a West End theater production.

Video footage of today's filming:



Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Some Old Dude on Mar 18, 2022, 12:27:22 AM
I'm surprised we haven't gotten more casting announcements. The scale of this movie sounds pretty huge, there's over 150 speaking parts and only three major roles confirmed so far.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 18, 2022, 01:35:49 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2022, 10:01:24 PM
Big spoiler

Spoiler
QuoteThe dramatic scenes shot in Greenwich, South-East London, on Thursday depict a key moment in Napoleon's ascent when his enemies tried to kill him in Paris on Christmas Eve in 1800.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/12/23/55276649-10606417-Sir_Ridley_said_Napoleon_is_a_man_who_has_always_fascinated_me_H-a-81_1647126569398.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/12/23/55276617-10606417-He_added_He_conquered_the_world_to_try_to_win_her_love_and_when_-a-82_1647126577629.jpg)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10606417/The-Crowns-Vanessa-Kirby-Joaquin-Phoenix-recreate-night-Napoleon-assassinated.html
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I've not read spoilers that revealing since James Cameron's Titanic.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 18, 2022, 02:54:38 AM
The Passion of the Christ?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 18, 2022, 09:01:31 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHqrqOX0AYq0Rg?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 18, 2022, 03:37:16 PM
Apparently Lincoln Cathedral is standing in for Notre Dame de Paris:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 19, 2022, 01:12:23 PM
Paul Rhys joins Napoleon.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOKSciKXoAI7hq8?format=jpg&name=900x900)

And the man himself. Ridley Puffer Jacket Scott.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojT-X9WQ_2A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojT-X9WQ_2A)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 19, 2022, 05:03:35 PM
Boney is so short he needs a box to be able to mount a horse.

Sir Puffer Jacket is walking with a strange gait, almost like he has a leg injury?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOMlIeGXMAA_KJR?format=jpg&name=large)

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 19, 2022, 07:19:10 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 19, 2022, 05:03:35 PM
Sir Puffer Jacket is walking with a strange gait, almost like he has a leg injury?

I noticed that from video while shooting House of Gucci. He ain't young anymore.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Mar 19, 2022, 07:28:59 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 19, 2022, 07:19:10 PM
He ain't young anymore.

Neither is Ridley
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 19, 2022, 07:33:44 PM
I was talking about Ridley ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Mar 19, 2022, 07:54:18 PM
Oh f**k, didn't realise Puffer Jacket wasn't real name
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 19, 2022, 08:29:51 PM
Hahaha ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 19, 2022, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 19, 2022, 07:54:18 PM
Oh f**k, didn't realise Puffer Jacket wasn't real name

Sounds like a character from the new Alien FX series.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 19, 2022, 08:51:38 PM
David makes a jacket full of those puffer things from Covenant and hands it out. ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Some Old Dude on Mar 20, 2022, 10:05:03 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 19, 2022, 01:12:23 PM
Paul Rhys joins Napoleon.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOKSciKXoAI7hq8?format=jpg&name=900x900


Cool this will be the first time I've seen him in a non Jack The Ripper film lol.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 20, 2022, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 19, 2022, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 19, 2022, 07:54:18 PM
Oh f**k, didn't realise Puffer Jacket wasn't real name

Sounds like a character from the new Alien FX series.  :laugh:

"Puffer Jacket" - Wears jacket that is puffy.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Mar 20, 2022, 04:36:33 PM
"Rid Leys Cott" - Ridley Scott
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 20, 2022, 04:41:01 PM
Full Puffer Jacket - The Ridley Scott Biography
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 20, 2022, 08:48:07 PM
Bourne Wood (Gladiator, Robin Hood)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOS5HdNXsAUPp-V?format=jpg&name=large)

From Scott:

QuoteAnd I'm now a month in on this [Napoleon]. I'm already a month in. I've got three months to go.

https://ew.com/tv/ridley-scott-raised-by-wolves-blade-runner-alien/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Mar 21, 2022, 12:51:00 PM
Could this be for the the crossing of the alps / battle of Marengo?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 22, 2022, 03:32:58 PM
Quote from: Facehugger001 on Mar 21, 2022, 12:51:00 PM
Could this be for the the crossing of the alps / battle of Marengo?

Maybe... the sign says Mar (Marengo for short?). Although the production is also going under that name so maybe it doesn't actually refer to that battle.

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOdj3dgWYAIWtGH?format=jpg&name=large)

As previously mentioned by Ingwar, same place we see in the begining of Gladiator:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOdj3ddXwA0etZu?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Mar 23, 2022, 01:29:48 PM
Looks amazing. According to Facebook Napoleon and his men are in a full-on battle in Bourne Woods.  :o
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 23, 2022, 04:13:52 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOitAJNX0AABjqk?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 24, 2022, 09:26:47 AM
Ups ;D

QuoteHillingdon fire: Hollywood film workshop damaged by blaze 'didn't have planning permission'

A blockbuster film workshop damaged by a blaze in West London was built without planning permission, the local council has confirmed. The workshop at Pield Heath Road in Uxbridge caught fire on the evening of March 10 along with two shipping containers.

Documents show that planning permission to build five temporary workshops on the site of an old garden centre was refused by Hillingdon in June 2021. The company wanting to build the workshops, Locate Studios, also applied for permission to use the space for commercial filming at the same time.

According to Hillingdon Council, the workshop that caught fire was one of several on the site that did not have planning permission at the time of the fire. A council spokesperson said: "Some of the buildings damaged by last Thursday night's fire did not have planning consent. At the time of the fire, the council had an active planning enforcement investigation on the site and the council will now need to carefully consider next steps in light of the incident."

According to the documents, the workshops would be used to create props and sets for a film being produced at nearby Pinewood Studios. Planning permission for the workshops was refused after the council was concerned they would harm the environment in the surrounding Green Belt and disturb residents by being too noisy.

Speaking to MyLondon, a source confirmed that the workshops were built to support the new Ridley Scott epic 'Napoleon', a Napoleon Bonaparte biopic, starring Oscar-winning actor Joaquin Phoenix and produced by Apple TV.

The source, who wished to remain anonymous, said: "All I can say is that it's all been destroyed, the workshop. They're working there for a film called Napoleon, they've got various other workshops as well as this location. As for how the fire started they don't know at the moment."

https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/hillingdon-fire-hollywood-film-workshop-23464150?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 24, 2022, 03:56:02 PM
"F*ck that, we don't need any f*cking planning permissions" - Sir Ridley Scott
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 25, 2022, 07:29:50 PM
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Anti-cavalry trenches:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOoFQ0RVgAIgCTL?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 26, 2022, 08:02:20 PM
From the Bourne Wood set:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOydU7JVkAMIxM0?format=jpg&name=large)

The standards and command tent look very similar to those from ancient Roman times. Probably because Napoleon styled himself after the roman emperors.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOydU7LVkAA7vnE?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 28, 2022, 03:34:40 PM
https://twitter.com/PHILRYDERMUSIC/status/1507701148735655941

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO8mDOJXIAILO_w?format=jpg&name=large)

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 29, 2022, 03:37:29 PM
Filming at Westminster Cathedral now:

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPBor0EXIAgHjjv?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/MechaNonPlacet/status/1508437954758426624
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 30, 2022, 04:06:25 PM
Still filming at Westminster Cathedral today, note the Ionic column on sidewalk:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPG7r5hXMAY3yE0?format=jpg&name=large)

Very interesting tweet I found, she seems to tweet a lot about British naval affairs so this could well be true:

https://twitter.com/pompeybird61/status/1508903033836552205

This might mean that a naval battle (or at least a naval scene) might feature in the film. The HMS Victory is Lord Nelson's flagship and has been preserved in dry-dock in Portsmouth:

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/HMSVictory.jpg/1920px-HMSVictory.jpg)





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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 31, 2022, 04:07:30 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 01, 2022, 05:03:39 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098841-10676641-Remaking_history_The_cast_and_crew_of_Sir_Ridley_Scott_s_histori-a-2_1648830685526.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPQIZ-OWYAYEQfp?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 01, 2022, 05:15:02 PM
Is this going to be the biggest production Scott has ever done? Apparently it's going to be four months of shooting in hell of a lot locations.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 01, 2022, 05:43:24 PM
I wonder what the budget is? Apple probably has deep pockets.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 01, 2022, 08:27:54 PM
Oxfordshire

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098851-10676641-Movie_magic_Cast_members_were_seen_on_horseback_as_they_acted_ou-a-7_1648830685534.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098833-10676641-Battle_Extras_dressed_in_military_wear_typical_of_the_French_Rev-a-8_1648830685535.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098823-10676641-Acting_out_Vanessa_Kirby_is_to_replace_Jodie_Comer_in_the_projec-a-10_1648830685536.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098837-10676641-All_stars_A_number_of_big_names_are_attached_to_the_Apple_movie_-a-9_1648830685535.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098827-10676641-Plot_The_story_is_set_to_focus_on_the_passionate_love_between_Na-a-12_1648830685537.jpg)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10676641/French-Revolution-recreated-set-Ridley-Scotts-upcoming-Apple-historical-drama-Napoleon.html
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 01, 2022, 08:48:28 PM
That might be battle of Waterloo.

The terrain looks very similar:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Panorama_waterloo_v2.jpg/2560px-Panorama_waterloo_v2.jpg)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Apr 01, 2022, 09:37:06 PM
More epics, thank you Mr. Scott, we are in dire need of them.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 02, 2022, 01:52:55 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 01, 2022, 08:27:54 PM
Oxfordshire

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098851-10676641-Movie_magic_Cast_members_were_seen_on_horseback_as_they_acted_ou-a-7_1648830685534.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098833-10676641-Battle_Extras_dressed_in_military_wear_typical_of_the_French_Rev-a-8_1648830685535.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098823-10676641-Acting_out_Vanessa_Kirby_is_to_replace_Jodie_Comer_in_the_projec-a-10_1648830685536.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098837-10676641-All_stars_A_number_of_big_names_are_attached_to_the_Apple_movie_-a-9_1648830685535.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/17/56098827-10676641-Plot_The_story_is_set_to_focus_on_the_passionate_love_between_Na-a-12_1648830685537.jpg)


Wow, the Russian equipment does look ancient   :o
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 02, 2022, 12:24:45 PM
Quotekimichischool Exciting filming stuff going on on board HMS Victory

If you scroll through the images using the arrows you can see some big camera cranes filming the ship exterior:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CbvC0bhDb0o/?utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 08, 2022, 04:58:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPqenUfX0AYqBwR?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPaSmSDWUAMclAI?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPcX8n1XwAwQ-8N?format=jpg&name=medium)

Older one I think:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP1gr7uXwAIjKKE?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Some Old Dude on Apr 09, 2022, 02:11:24 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 01, 2022, 08:48:28 PM
That might be battle of Waterloo.

The terrain looks very similar:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Panorama_waterloo_v2.jpg/2560px-Panorama_waterloo_v2.jpg)

Means whoever is playing Arthur Wellesley should be filming then?

I get that it's going to be movie magic but the battle of Waterloo was fought in miserable weather conditions wasn't it?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 09, 2022, 12:03:59 PM
Sounds like historically, there was some heavy rain the previous day and overnight, making for a very muddy battlefield.

That said, the production can obviously not hang around waiting for it to rain, so I guess they would just hose down the field and darken the sky and everything else in post.

The Last Duel's, duel scene for example was filmed on mostly bright and sunny days in summer. So they just used fake ground snow, snow candles, filters and post production effects to make it look like a miserable winter day.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 11, 2022, 01:43:45 PM
According to imdb:

John Hollingworth (1917, The Queen's Gambit and The Crown) as Marshal Ney
Edouard Philipponnat (appeared in House of Gucci) as Tsar Alexander

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 11, 2022, 03:50:32 PM
Aerial shot of the "battlefield" complete with Ridley Scott trademark clouds:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP7h7VuXIAYrvee?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 11, 2022, 04:02:10 PM
Nice one. It always reminds me of this

(https://assets.mubicdn.net/images/notebook/post_images/484/images-w1400.jpg?1276609086)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Apr 11, 2022, 06:51:38 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 09, 2022, 12:03:59 PM
Sounds like historically, there was some heavy rain the previous day and overnight, making for a very muddy battlefield.

Yes and it was likely caused by an event in Indonesia https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/187828/napoleons-defeat-waterloo-caused-part-indonesian/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 14, 2022, 04:42:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQQPnL1WYBAcLkO?format=jpg&name=large)

Infantry charge:

https://twitter.com/sara_talib1/status/1514352315913940995
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 14, 2022, 04:56:17 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 14, 2022, 04:42:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQQPnL1WYBAcLkO?format=jpg&name=large)

Russia?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 14, 2022, 04:59:02 PM
Because of the snow? Maybe.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 14, 2022, 05:21:41 PM
snow = cold = Russia

However Russian campaign started in June.

QuoteOn 24 June 1812 and the following days, the first wave of the multinational Grande Armée crossed the Niemen into Russia. Through a series of long forced marches, Napoleon pushed his army of almost half a million people rapidly through Western Russia, now Belarus, in an attempt to destroy the separated Russian armies of Barclay de Tolly and Pyotr Bagration who amounted to around 180,000–220,000 at this time.[21][22] Within six weeks, Napoleon lost half of the men because of the extreme weather conditions, disease and hunger, winning just the Battle of Smolensk. The Russian Army continued to retreat, under its new Commander in Chief Mikhail Kutuzov, employing attrition warfare against Napoleon forcing the invaders to rely on a supply system that was incapable of feeding their large army in the field.

The fierce Battle of Borodino, seventy miles (110 km) west of Moscow, was a narrow French victory that resulted in a Russian general withdrawal to the south-east of Moscow.[23] On 14 September, Napoleon and his army of about 100,000 men occupied Moscow, only to find it abandoned, and the city was soon ablaze, instigated by its military governor. Napoleon stayed in Moscow for five weeks, waiting for a peace offer that never came.[24] Because of the nice weather he left late and hoped to reach Smolensk by a detour. Losing the Battle of Maloyaroslavets he was forced to take the same route as he came. Lack of food and winter clothes for the men, fodder for the horses, and guerilla warfare from Russian peasants and Cossacks led to greater losses. Again more than half of the men died on the roadside of exhaustion, typhus and the harsh continental climate. Heavy loot was thrown away; artillery was left behind.

In early November it began to snow, which complicated the retreat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 14, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
Were there helmets and mullets during the Napoleonic wars?  😷

(https://i.ibb.co/vxqh3y1/d0045194-52158a90a1ee8.jpg)

(https://s7.gifyu.com/images/200-3b052ad339f441e94.gif)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Apr 15, 2022, 12:11:09 AM
That's not a lot of extras for a battle scene, I take it the rest will be cgi or with some clever camera tricks
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 15, 2022, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: nanison on Apr 15, 2022, 12:11:09 AM
That's not a lot of extras for a battle scene, I take it the rest will be cgi or with some clever camera tricks

It's probably still due to COVID restrictions. They had a similar problem on The Last Duel, couldn't use large crowds of extras, so CGI extras had to fill in:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTozTFi-k0gCbBFdU_uJ0M-W4UkI0slxqbow&usqp=CAU)

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 14, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
Were there helmets and mullets during the Napoleonic war?

"They bloody well do now" - Ridley Scott
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: T Dog on Apr 15, 2022, 03:27:37 PM
Considering Kubrick envisioned thousands of extras and horses, the only way to do these battles is with cgi regardless of Covid restrictions.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 15, 2022, 04:18:01 PM
Cavalry charge:

https://twitter.com/sara_talib1/status/1514664777234227207
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Le Celticant on Apr 15, 2022, 05:28:11 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 15, 2022, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: nanison on Apr 15, 2022, 12:11:09 AM
That's not a lot of extras for a battle scene, I take it the rest will be cgi or with some clever camera tricks

It's probably still due to COVID restrictions. They had a similar problem on The Last Duel, couldn't use large crowds of extras, so CGI extras had to fill in:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTozTFi-k0gCbBFdU_uJ0M-W4UkI0slxqbow&usqp=CAU

No, it's very common, most movies and shows do it for 3 main reasons and that was way before Covid:
-Cost
-Time (which also further increase first reason)
-Effectiveness, in the sense CGI act the way you want it (logistical rehearsal is a pain).

It's very common since the development of Massive system by Weta proven on LOTR who were pioneer because they couldn't achieve the scale they wanted with extras alone.

Doesn't mean there are crowds of extras even today. Last I can remember of is Tenet opening.
You'll likely see that on movies that don't need much in terms of costume (Renting smoking and dressing everyone take a thousands less hour than putting them into armor and period time costume).
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 15, 2022, 05:49:52 PM
We're not saying CGI extras are unusual, but rather that the real-world extra crowds have been much smaller in Ridley's last two films.

He used CGI extras extensively in Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven and Robin Hood as well, but the extra crowds on the sets were also much larger.

MPC actually commented about the Covid crowd restrictions on The Last Duel and how that created a much larger workload for them in post. Janty Yates also mentioned how the extra costumes for Gladiator numbered in the thousands while those of The Last Duel were only a few hundred.



Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 16, 2022, 05:19:34 AM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/15/22/56666823-10723127-image-m-18_1650058293373.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/15/22/56666833-10723127-image-a-19_1650058318797.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/15/22/56666825-10723127-image-a-20_1650058329918.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQa1NyMXsAIsoIZ?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQa1NySWYAQjes7?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQa1Ny1XoAEmaYT?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 16, 2022, 08:49:57 AM
Nice!

First time we've seen the Sir on set in his obligatory puffer jacket.  ;D




Another one:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQdi4oeXMAESrlo?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 16, 2022, 07:39:11 PM
Cossacks?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQa1Ny1XoAEmaYT?format=jpg&name=large)

Napoleon was nearly captured by Cossacks during the retreat from Russia.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Apr 16, 2022, 07:55:18 PM
Wanna hear an anecdote ?

Spoiler
Each time there's a warm winter in Russia, a voice from Napoleon's grave can be heard: "Now would be the time !"
[close]
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 16, 2022, 08:05:15 PM
 ;D

Alternative history: imagine Napoleon conquered Russia.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 18, 2022, 04:31:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQkyKphXEAMd-Pr?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQkyLleWUAERnPT?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQjyH14WYAEP67h?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 19, 2022, 04:34:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQr6ZZWXMAMHJ_y?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQr6ZLpXoAQzjgM?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQr6ZorXEAMHQeQ?format=jpg&name=medium)

Note the fake (hopefully) corpses in the back of the trailer:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQr6Z07X0AQ5vZk?format=jpg&name=medium)

Additional casting:

John Hollingworth as "Marshal Ney"
Edouard Philipponnat as "Tsar Alexander"
Alfredo Tavares as "Platoon Commander"
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 19, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
(https://i2-prod.buckinghamshirelive.com/incoming/article6969059.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/0_Napoleon-biopic-filming-Ridley-Scott-Hankley-Common-Surrey.jpg)

(https://i2-prod.buckinghamshirelive.com/incoming/article6969062.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/0_Napoleon-biopic-filming-Ridley-Scott-Hankley-Common-Surrey.jpg)

(https://i2-prod.buckinghamshirelive.com/incoming/article6969068.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/0_Napoleon-biopic-filming-Ridley-Scott-Hankley-Common-Surrey.jpg)

(https://i2-prod.buckinghamshirelive.com/incoming/article6969069.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/0_Napoleon-biopic-filming-Ridley-Scott-Hankley-Common-Surrey.jpg)

(https://i2-prod.buckinghamshirelive.com/incoming/article6969067.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/1_Napoleon-biopic-filming-Ridley-Scott-Hankley-Common-Surrey.jpg)

You can spot pipe producing fake snow at the bottom of this picture.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 26, 2022, 03:43:22 PM
Moving on to Malta later this week:

https://twitter.com/TheTimesofMalta/status/1518956403834167296

https://twitter.com/cremildosquared/status/1518962634858631170

https://twitter.com/DanielFiott/status/1518978194577186820
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 26, 2022, 05:10:07 PM
Can November/December release be done considering massive scale of production?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 26, 2022, 05:20:08 PM
Probably, considering it's Ridley. It will give them about 6 months for post production.

Editing and scoring will be quick, although it might require a lot of CGI considering the scale of the battles and the need for digital set extensions. Perhaps a Christmas release might be more likely than a November one.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 26, 2022, 10:06:34 PM
I'm guessing that editing is being done by Claire Simpson and scoring by Harry Gregson-Williams.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 27, 2022, 11:58:06 AM
Yeah, I think HGW said he was composing the score for Napoleon didn't he? Think he mentioned it during a Gucci/Last Duel interview?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 28, 2022, 03:19:56 PM
https://twitter.com/TheTimesofMalta/status/1519648355999178753

https://twitter.com/gerardjulien/status/1519590458766368768

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Brest_2012_Etoile_du_Roy102.JPG/1024px-Brest_2012_Etoile_du_Roy102.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Grand_Turk%2801%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 28, 2022, 04:08:08 PM
Nice, Ridley always wanted to make pirate movie :) By the way, Wolski did 4 of them.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 28, 2022, 04:19:33 PM
Yeah, it's a bit disingenuous of that tweet to refer to it as a "pirate ship". It's a replica based on an actual Royal Navy frigate from the Napoleonic era.  :laugh:

And yeah, Wolski would be experienced with shooting stuff on ships and all the technicalities that entails. 
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 28, 2022, 04:30:09 PM
And Scott directed 1492 and White Squall so he ain't rookie either :)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1519659491154870274 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1519659491154870274)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Some Old Dude on Apr 29, 2022, 02:42:00 PM
So... nobody told him about the title change lol.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 30, 2022, 03:17:03 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1520403687654445063 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1520403687654445063)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRlpDDHXsAEQMgN?format=jpg&name=large)


Quote from: Some Old Dude on Apr 29, 2022, 02:42:00 PM
So... nobody told him about the title change lol.

This clip is actually from Feb 3 so probably the project was still called Kitbag.

https://m.facebook.com/MaltaFilmAwards/videos/sir-ridley-scott-malta-film-ambassador-award/1889810407872831/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 30, 2022, 03:33:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRmYGCAXIAEVz8k?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 01, 2022, 12:26:45 AM
I wonder if they'll do a director's cut addressing this?

(https://i.ibb.co/7v3DSVn/Pics-Art-04-30-08-21-40.jpg)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 02, 2022, 01:45:34 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1521084159665524736
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 04, 2022, 10:35:26 AM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 04, 2022, 03:37:02 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 07, 2022, 03:09:18 PM
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https://twitter.com/AlbertoGarcia_B/status/1522646157301882884

The Royal Marines appear bloody and battered so probably another battle scene:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 07, 2022, 04:00:09 PM
Just one ship?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 07, 2022, 05:05:35 PM
Note the ship's name, "Muiron"

QuoteShe was incorporated in the fleet that invaded Egypt, and after the Battle of the Nile, Bonaparte departed for France aboard. She later took part in the Battle of Algeciras Bay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_frigate_Muiron

Malta perhaps standing in for Cairo? Note the middle-eastern style carpet:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 07, 2022, 05:10:56 PM
But how are they going to portray Battle of Algeciras Bay with just one ship? :)  Unless, they aren't going to do so.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 07, 2022, 05:13:02 PM
Yeah, dunno. Maybe CGI or just the one ship with Napoleon departing Egypt?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Smilion on May 08, 2022, 06:58:39 PM
Considering the topic, shouldn't this have a huge ensemble? Given Ridley's speed, production is probably going towards the last phase of shooting, so can we expect any announcement on other actors that have been cast?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on May 09, 2022, 08:43:44 AM
We know some of the important players, but I'm really interested to see who plays Soult, Lannes, Murat and the Duke of Wellington.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 07, 2022, 05:05:35 PMNote the ship's name, "Muiron"

If they are shooting scenes for Cairo, perhaps we'll also see Dumas?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 09, 2022, 03:46:19 PM
I should perhaps have said Alexandria (a seaport city) and not Cairo which is a riverport.

Tahar Rahim might have been a more suited choice for Dumas but he's been cast as Paul Barras, an older Caucasian French politician. Can't remember for which role Youssef Kerkour was cast, he might also be a possibility for Dumas.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on May 09, 2022, 04:59:57 PM
Ah yes, agree. Youssef Kerkour Is playing Davout, I believe.

They've also added Josephine's son, Eugene to the cast (Benji Chivers). His father posted on FB that Benji filmed one-to-one scenes with Joaquin Phoenix. Perhaps they are re-telling the sword scene from Kubrick's script?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 09, 2022, 08:17:44 PM
https://lovinmalta.com/news/watch-first-look-at-explosive-birgu-battle-scene-from-ridley-scotts-new-film-napoleon/

Could someone please add those Instagram videos here :)

We can hear Ridley yelling "action"! ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 10, 2022, 03:27:53 PM
Siege of Toulon:

https://mobile.twitter.com/c_lannes/status/1524029965456580611
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 12, 2022, 08:15:20 PM
Ludivine Sagnier (The New Pope) as Theresa Cabarrus. She was great in Netflix Lupin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9r%C3%A9sa_Tallien
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on May 17, 2022, 11:59:45 AM
Russell Crowe is in Malta.

I don't know how to add his tweets here, but he's watching some cannon fire in Valletta.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 17, 2022, 12:41:08 PM
You can just paste the twitter link in your post and it will automatically embed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/russellcrowe/status/1526437353778204672

https://mobile.twitter.com/russellcrowe/status/1526504696873099265

I wonder if he's just dropping by to say hi to Ridley or whether he got a small cameo in this film?

Scott and Crowe filmed Gladiator's Rome scenes in Malta.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on May 17, 2022, 12:53:44 PM
Thank you.

Jana Carboni (make up artist) just announced on Instagram that Napoleon has wrapped.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 17, 2022, 01:10:12 PM
Yeah, The Times of Malta said they expected filming to wrap mid-May.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 17, 2022, 01:22:53 PM
Wrapped? Ridley is ready to shoot next project ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 17, 2022, 02:54:12 PM
Well, he said he was doing Gladiator II next and now he is already in Malta with Russel Crowe and Joaquin Phoenix handy...  ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Andrea90 on May 17, 2022, 04:34:10 PM
Just wrapped? So they will release this film in the end of the year?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 17, 2022, 04:59:45 PM
Possibly, especially considering the speed at which Ridley edits.

With regards to Russel Crowe possibly making a surprise cameo in Napoleon, would have loved to see him as the master and commander of a Royal Navy frigate called the HMS Surprise.  ;D

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 18, 2022, 04:05:51 PM
https://twitter.com/johanngrech/status/1526915157061947394

Ridley in Malta:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 18, 2022, 10:20:22 PM
Scott, Crowe and Phoenix at last night's wrap party:


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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on May 19, 2022, 12:16:42 AM
Ridley, give us a Russell cameo!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 19, 2022, 10:03:19 AM
Plot twist: Russell portrays Wellington ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on May 19, 2022, 11:39:11 AM
We'll get to see him ask Aubrey for the salt.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 19, 2022, 06:23:24 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 31, 2022, 03:45:18 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Andrea90 on May 31, 2022, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 31, 2022, 03:45:18 PMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUEbVwVXsAI9BUk?format=jpg&name=medium

Hadn't they finished the production one month ago?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 31, 2022, 04:59:07 PM
Yeah, they wrapped about 2 weeks back. This is an older photo, not previously published.

Strange that they are shooting at 48fps. Might be for a battle scene that they are going to slow down like Scott did in Gladiator and KoH.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Andrea90 on May 31, 2022, 06:12:04 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 31, 2022, 04:59:07 PMYeah, they wrapped about 2 weeks back. This is an older photo, not previously published.

Strange that they are shooting at 48fps. Might be for a battle scene that they are going to slow down like Scott did in Gladiator and KoH.

48 fps only the Hobbit i remember in that format.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Crazy Rich on May 31, 2022, 06:30:51 PM
Battle of Marengo.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on May 31, 2022, 08:39:48 PM
Yeah, although I'm not sure if the film's working title is refering to the battle or Napoleon's horse, who was also called Marengo.

Knowing Ridley's affinity for horses it might be the later.

Quote from: Andrea90 on May 31, 2022, 06:12:04 PM48 fps only the Hobbit i remember in that format.

I can't imagine the whole film being shot and screened at 48fps like the Hobbit. That's why I think it may be for some of the battle scenes that they intend to slow down. That might be why they need the extra frames.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jun 02, 2022, 09:14:55 PM
Legit?

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 02, 2022, 10:14:21 PM
I saw that earlier today and tried to check whether it's fan art or official, but could only trace it back to one account which appears to belong to a stunt person or something. :-\
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 29, 2022, 05:14:21 PM
Not sure if true.

Steve Jablonsky is Harry Gregson William's former assistant and best known for the Transformer movies soundtracks:

https://twitter.com/MarianaR/status/1541899837255417857

QuoteThe American composer Steve Jablonsky will be in charge of the music for Napoléon by Ridley Scott.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 11, 2022, 05:34:09 PM
https://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1546377306649907201

QuoteJoaquin Phoenix's upcoming film NAPOLEON directed by Ridley Scott is expected to release this December.

Quote"In 'Napoleon', I play Talleyrand who was the brains behind Bonaparte and stayed with him till the end. I hear that film is out in December. I loved Ridley Scott and Joaquin Phoenix very much. Vanessa Kirby and I did a few scenes together which was great too." - Paul Rhys
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 11, 2022, 08:24:36 PM
Meh, this is the definitive version of Napoleon for me...


He likes ice cream too.  Just like me.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 11, 2022, 09:02:32 PM
"This video is not available"
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Post by: KiramidHead on Jul 11, 2022, 11:21:07 PM
Isn't Talleyrand the guy who tried to extort bribes out of U.S. ambassadors?

Also, Rhys has come a long way from being the bad guy in Hellraiser 7. :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Some Old Dude on Jul 12, 2022, 06:16:17 AM
Jablonsky!!!!! That's awesome.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 12, 2022, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 11, 2022, 11:21:07 PMIsn't Talleyrand the guy who tried to extort bribes out of U.S. ambassadors?

Spoiler
Seems like he was a bit of a turncoat

QuoteAfter his resignation in 1807 from the ministry, Talleyrand began to accept bribes from hostile powers (mainly Austria, but also Russia), to betray Napoleon's secrets.

Napoleon called him "a piece of shit in silk stockings"  :laugh:
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 13, 2022, 11:01:46 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/mavericksmovies/status/1547026325625442305

QuoteRidley Scott's upcoming Napoleon is being edited by Sam Restivo. Restivo previously served as "additional editor" on House of Gucci and The Last Duel for Scott. He also has done editing work on "Better Call Saul"

He will serve alongside Ridley's usual editor Claire Simpson
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2022, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 11, 2022, 09:02:32 PM"This video is not available"

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 14, 2022, 11:50:31 AM
I'm bowled over...  :o
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Jul 14, 2022, 02:38:44 PM
Ian McNeice was a guest on the Caspervision podcast and revealed he's playing Louis VIII in Napoleon. He discusses working with Ridley at 21:15 and 1hr 29m.

https://youtu.be/K_6NjmsWjN0?t=1275
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 15, 2022, 01:01:25 PM
Great find!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Jul 17, 2022, 01:05:14 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 02, 2022, 10:14:21 PMI saw that earlier today and tried to check whether it's fan art or official, but could only trace it back to one account which appears to belong to a stunt person or something. :-\


Looks like it was done by this graphic designer who puts his QR code in all his work.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Jul 22, 2022, 05:03:29 PM
I see 'Bourrienne' has been added as a character.

He knew Napoleon as a child in military school, served as his personal secretary in later life, but is best known for writing a series of biographies about the emperor.

If Ridley decides have a narrator he might be a good choice.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 26, 2022, 06:39:04 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 11, 2022, 05:34:09 PMhttps://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1546377306649907201

QuoteJoaquin Phoenix's upcoming film NAPOLEON directed by Ridley Scott is expected to release this December.

Quote"In 'Napoleon', I play Talleyrand who was the brains behind Bonaparte and stayed with him till the end. I hear that film is out in December. I loved Ridley Scott and Joaquin Phoenix very much. Vanessa Kirby and I did a few scenes together which was great too." - Paul Rhys

Another day another rumour, this one saying the film will have a summer 2023 release. Who to believe?

https://twitter.com/cremildosquared/status/1551996127804792832

QuoteAccording to World of Reel, word around town is that Ridley Scott's #Napoleon is aiming for a 2023 Cannes premiere and a summer release.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 26, 2022, 06:56:54 PM
More that its release day I'm wondering what project Scott is doing next :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 26, 2022, 06:59:58 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 26, 2022, 06:56:54 PMMore that its release day I'm wondering what project Scott is doing next :)

Assuming nothing has changed (which it very well could have), the Gladiator sequel is supposed to be his next movie.

Though he's also apparently directing some (maybe all?) of Blade Runner 2099, whenever that's eventually happening.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 26, 2022, 07:13:18 PM
I still hope that Gladiator 2 will never happen. Why sequel? Why?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 26, 2022, 08:11:08 PM
I wonder if Gladiator 2 is still on the menu after The Last Duel's box office performance?

Scott was supposed to delve right into that after Napoleon, but I haven't seen any movement yet.

Then there is also the new Blade Runner series which he is supposed to direct. One could also hope that he might finally get around to doing that Western or The Battle of Britain WWII film.

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 26, 2022, 09:40:02 PM
Western, please!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Jul 28, 2022, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 26, 2022, 08:11:08 PMScott was supposed to delve right into that after Napoleon, but I haven't seen any movement yet.

Thinking the same. Russell Crowe is filming The Pope's Exorcist in Ireland in August/Sept. Maybe Ridley is waiting to consult with him after filming ends?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 28, 2022, 03:23:19 PM
I don't know. There were those photos of Crowe eating together with Ridley and Phoenix after Napoleon wrapped. Not sure if it was just a reunion in Malta or if it was also consultation for Gladiator 2.

About a week ago Russel Crowe tweeted a pic of him at Rome's Coliseum. Again not sure if it could be Gladiator sequel related or just a random visit.

I remember the day after House of Gucci wrapped, Scott and Wolski were already location scouting for Napoleon, so Scott doesn't waste time.

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 28, 2022, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 26, 2022, 07:13:18 PMI still hope that Gladiator 2 will never happen. Why sequel? Why?
Because Maximus never really died?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 28, 2022, 09:14:31 PM
He actually died. For real (in the movie).
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Post by: Kradan on Jul 28, 2022, 09:32:11 PM
Black goo will bring him back. Call it Alien: Maximus. Why not ?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 29, 2022, 03:24:40 PM
https://twitter.com/cremildosquared/status/1552841830588350466
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2022, 03:37:36 PM
You know what Gladiator 2 needs?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 29, 2022, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2022, 03:37:36 PMYou know what Gladiator 2 needs?

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 11, 2022, 03:40:04 PM
From Collider:

https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1557749953384022017

QuoteWe just saw a set/location from Ridley Scott's upcoming 'Napoleon' movie but were asked not to post pics because movie isn't out yet. Spoiler alert: a scene in the movie has Napoleon walking in a room with statues.
#JurassicWorldDominioninMalta
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 21, 2022, 06:19:25 PM
Haven't had a chance to watch this yet but Collider conducted an interview with Malta's film commissioner and apparently he talks a bit about Ridley's Napoleon.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Collider/status/1561068413224595457
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Aug 21, 2022, 08:46:40 PM
I was going to post it this morning but there is nothing really worth hearing.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 21, 2022, 08:49:22 PM
Ok thanks! Saves me the trouble of listening to it then.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 27, 2022, 02:47:00 PM
The Ankler says 2022 release, IndieWire says nay:

https://twitter.com/TheAnkler/status/1574473083846475777

https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1574506820282060800
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 26, 2022, 04:42:24 PM
QuoteRidley Scott and his executive producer Aidan Elliott were in Rome working on House of Gucci when the two were discussing locations for Scott's upcoming historical epic Napoleon for Apple when the director thought Malta, where he'd famously filmed Gladiator, would make for a great location for a beginning scene in the film for the siege of Toulon.

"The siege of Toulon was Napoleon's first military victory where he really showed his potential as a future expert in the field," says Elliott. "There was a very specific geography needed to achieve this and Ridley, being someone who likes to do things practically as much as possible as opposed to visual effects, remembered Valletta and the port there, which is a spectacular Napoleonic port."

They decided to fly from Rome the next day to take a look at Valletta's suitability and, says Elliott, "it was almost a no-brainer."

The cherry on top came when they found that Malta, at the time, was about to introduce an enhanced cash rebate, stipulating more attractive incentives that included a new hybrid above-the-line cap and opening up below-the-line expenditures to all international crews.

"There was a beta version of it flying around, an unapproved white paper that was doing the works in the government and the idea was that we'd be the first film to actually take advantage of it, which we happily did," says Elliott. "It just absolutely cemented our decision to go there because not only did we have this great location and backdrop, but we also had this incredibly, incredibly generous cash rebate."

He adds, "I would go almost as far to say it's probably the most generous cash rebate in the world, and I don't say that lightly."

What's so attractive about this rebate, from an international perspective, is that it applies not only to local crew and local facilities, but it applies to all incoming crew and, even equipment coming in from the outside, "so long as it can't be sourced locally in Malta," says Elliott.

"We took around 500 people to Malta and we were able to get the rebate on all of those people and that equipment," he says. 

Napoleon (which is estimated to be a more than $100 million budget) shot 15 days of its 100-day shoot in Malta and was, says Elliott, an incredible experience. He was particularly impressed by the strength in its local construction departments.

 "We built the Toulon sets on the very same ground that Ridley had previously built the Colosseum for Gladiator and [Ridley said] there were a lot of the same faces in the construction this time around," says Elliott.

"The quality and the finish of the sets were exemplary – as you know [production designer] Arthur Max is a very demanding designer with very high standards, and he was very happy with the finish."

https://deadline.com/2022/10/hot-spots-ridley-scotts-napoleon-producer-amp-foundation-producer-talk-shooting-in-malta-why-its-rebate-is-the-most-generous-cash-rebate-in-the-world-1235155125/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 26, 2022, 05:08:30 PM
Great, but where's the trailer ;D
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
Wow, I had forgotten about this  :o  Remembering it made me think for a thousandth of a second that it was a Ridley Scott movie already released a long time ago 😅 (ala Prometheus.... 😬👉👈)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 26, 2022, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 26, 2022, 05:08:30 PMGreat, but where's the trailer ;D

I guess the film is only going to be released next year and not in December.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2022, 05:09:26 PMWow, I had forgotten about this  :o  Remembering it made me think for a thousandth of a second that it was a Ridley Scott movie already released a long time ago 😅 (ala Prometheus.... 😬👉👈)

Well you should know, you started this thread!  :P

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 28, 2022, 05:15:43 PM
QuoteRidley Scott's 'Napoleon' Test-Screening Next Week

A surprising development. Ridley Scott's "Napoleon" is said to test-screen next week in the West Coast.

Are Apple TV thinking of doing a surprise December launch for this one? I'm skeptical, but anything is possible in this unpredictable movie year. I was told a few months back that a summer 2023 release was being eyed for Scott's epic.

Regardless, what we have here is confirmation that Scott has a cut ready to go, whether it's the final cut remains to be seen. "Napoleon" started shooting in February and wrapped production on May 17th in Malta. That gave Scott almost 8 months to edit the movie.

If you remember, Scott's last film, "House of Gucci," ended filming in May 2021 and was then released in November. There is likely much more VFX on "Napoleon" than on 'Gucci,' especially, I presume, if war scenes are included.

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2022/10/3r5pmtso6hi6qh2qdmgywxes56jcsy
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 28, 2022, 06:26:34 PM
Hopefully some unofficial reviews next week.

What happened to Gladiator 2? Scott been very quiet lately.
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Post by: PullthePlug on Nov 04, 2022, 10:58:05 AM
Looks like the screening happened last night. According to twitter there will screenings taking place at the AFI tonight and tomorrow.

Those who have seen it are responding with 'NDA', which is both understandable and infuriating  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 04, 2022, 01:56:03 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/worldofreel/status/1588526139659649024

QuoteWorld of Reel
Ridley's Scott's 'Napoleon' Said to be a "Masterpiece" by Viewer at Test-Screening
November 4, 2022 Jordan Ruimy

Ridley Scott's "Napoleon" stunned an L.A. moviegoer last night. He's calling Scott's epic a "masterpiece." The film was test-screened at The Grove in Los Angeles last night.

Judging by this reaction, and the fact that not much editing needs to be done, you'd think Apple would want to release this one as their main contender this year instead of "Emancipation," alas I don't think that's going occur. Anyway, here's the reaction:

"I think the picture is a masterpiece, or very nearly one. It's the culmination of Ridley's life's work as a filmmaker. His staging of battle scenes on a near-cosmic scale is mind-blowing. Joaquin gives a Brando-like performance, taking some very big risks, and at times verging on the absurd, but always taking the audience with him. As a movie about a nationalist in a time of chaos and disintegration who thinks in terms of pure power, it has a lot of parallels to 2022. It's a great movie and I'll be surprised if there is anything better released in 2023."

From what I heard a few months back, Apple wants to release "Napoleon" in the summer of 2023. Given that rumors are pointing to "Killers of the Flower Moon" being launched at next year's Cannes Film Festival, would Apple also want to also world premiere Scott's film on the Croisette?

Scott has been hit and miss for most of his entire five-decade career, but he's one of the all-time greats. He's automatically an all-timer just for "Alien," "Blade Runner," "The Duellists," "Thelma and Louise," "Gladiator," "Black Hawk Down," and "American Gangster." Not mention his underrated works such as "Matchstick Men," "The Last Duel," "Kingdom of Heaven," and, yes, even "Prometheus."

I've been emailing back and forth with this attendee, trying to get more details on this one. The cut shown is said to be around 3 hours. I'll be updating this post with more details to follow ...

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 04, 2022, 02:36:47 PM
Praying that Apple allows this (and Killers of the Flower Moon, too!) to get a proper theatrical release before being dumped on their streaming service.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 05, 2022, 12:31:51 PM
Also from World of Reel:

QuoteIt's 150 minutes. Covers the sweep of Napoleon's life from his promotion around the time of the revolution, to the end. I think it's bigger, better and MORE PSYCHOLOGICAL than Scott's epics like Kingdom of Heaven and Gladiator. Also more political.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 07, 2022, 04:06:58 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 07, 2022, 04:40:41 PM
I can see ropes :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 02, 2022, 04:20:05 PM
https://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1598405043002433537

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 17, 2022, 03:30:05 PM
https://twitter.com/christinalefou/status/1604036556658032642
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2022, 06:23:28 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1605619886872416256
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 21, 2022, 06:57:50 PM
That's good news. 8)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2022, 06:21:51 PM
I love David but damn! If only Joaquin Phoenix had starred in Prometheus 😅

"Joaquin is about as far from conventional as you can get. Not deliberately, but out of intuition. That's what makes him tick. If something bothers him, he'll let you know. He made [Napoleon] special by constantly questioning. With Joaquin, we can rewrite the goddamn film because he's uncomfortable. And that kind of happened with Napoleon. We unpicked the film to help him focus on who Bonaparte was. I had to respect that, because what was being said was incredibly constructive. It made it all grow bigger and better."
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Dec 22, 2022, 07:09:06 PM
Joaquin Phoenix as a psychotic android ? Yes, please, gimme, gimme, gimme !
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 26, 2023, 03:27:43 PM
Napoleon is now listed on Apple TV+, but still no release date:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 26, 2023, 03:31:36 PM
Crossing my fingers and hoping it shows theatrically before it plays on the service...

Also, with a page up on there now, hoping that means that a trailer might be soon.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 28, 2023, 02:50:09 PM
The second test screening for this was held on Thursday night.

Although the reaction to the first test screening had words like "masterpiece" bandied about, the second one seems a lot less enthusiastic:

https://twitter.com/UndercoverCine/status/1619179549102837760

https://twitter.com/UndercoverCine/status/1619182066356330496

https://twitter.com/UndercoverCine/status/1619182067711107072
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 28, 2023, 03:01:36 PM
So is Riddles going to blame these reactions on phones?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 28, 2023, 03:04:54 PM
I wouldn't take those reviews too seriously. At the end it's someone else's opinion.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Jan 28, 2023, 07:47:43 PM
Wait it's an apple film. So will never get to watch unless I visit the cinema (unlikely) or I pick a subscription for the streaming service (never)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 28, 2023, 07:58:54 PM
Apple TV+ do release selected shows on Blu-Ray. Hopefully Napoleon will be one of them.


Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 28, 2023, 03:01:36 PMSo is Riddles going to blame these reactions on phones?

No, this is an Apple financed film. Can't have any of that.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Jan 30, 2023, 10:49:55 AM
I feel like a lot of the people who attended this screening (judging by Letterboxd) were kids, who aren't interested in historical films and don't appreciate the beauty of a real battle.

That said, it got 5s/4s/3 scores.

One reviewer described it as 'Bonerpart'  :o 
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 30, 2023, 09:38:34 PM
QuoteAnother 'Napoleon' Reaction Calls it a "Masterpiece" ...

On Saturday, I posted a mixed reaction of Ridley Scott's "Napoleon," which had recently test-screened, for the second time, at L.A.'s Grove cinema.

Now I have another, more in-depth, reaction from someone who seems to have genuinely been blown away by Scott's epic. 

Some minor SPOILERS below —

So, I disagree with most of the points made in the last reaction you posted, besides Phoenix being terrific. The first half hour of the movie is
Spoiler
pretty abrupt, since it starts with the execution of Marie Antoinette and within 20-25 minutes Napoleon is commanding a huge army in Egypt and we don't really get a sense of how this happened or why, besides that he won one battle and killed a couple protesters.

In the first half hour Phoenix's performance is mostly subdued and he speaks in either exposition or military orders, so we don't have a great sense of the character either. After the Egypt part though the movie really takes off and becomes fantastic, I would say Scott's best historical movie. Weirdly the movie I was reminded of most was "Phantom Thread", because Napoleon and Josephine have this perverse but also funny and sad and abusive relationship. Kirby is great.
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The battle scenes are all huge in scope and unique and probably the best of Scott's career. I wouldn't say Napoleon is whiny, but more that he's an egomaniac and Phoenix does a great job of portraying that. The humor hit for me and it felt like it did for the rest of the audience, with the scene where Napoleon stages a coup being one the funnier scenes I've seen in a movie in a while. Overall it's much weirder than I would've expected from Scott or the subject. Also, It's beautifully shot from beginning to end. I'd have to see it again, but based on that cut I'd probably call it a masterpiece.

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/scuvgbb2mn9af45iuzoux7u2v77aza
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Jan 30, 2023, 10:41:09 PM
I'm just happy the battle scenes are massive because that's what they were, huge in scope. This was actually a proper world war.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 31, 2023, 09:10:29 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 30, 2023, 09:38:34 PM
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pretty abrupt, since it starts with the execution of Marie Antoinette and within 20-25 minutes Napoleon is commanding a huge army in Egypt and we don't really get a sense of how this happened or why, besides that he won one battle and killed a couple protesters.
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Interresting, because there is supposed to be a snowball fight scene in which a young Napoleon is still in military school. Maybe it was cut or maybe it's part of a non-chronological flashback scene?
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Jan 31, 2023, 11:54:20 AM
For scenes mentioned in some of the spoilers, check out Gance's silent film classic of the same title.

For those impressed by the imagery, also consider Scott's Duellists and what partly inspired it, Barry Lyndon.

For battle scenes, also try Bondarchuk's War and Peace, and for another depiction of Napoleon, Waterloo with Steiger.

Finally, ignore these points if they've were already raised earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Jan 31, 2023, 07:08:58 PM
Ah yes, anyone remember Ridley's sketches for the opening scene? They showed a guillotine.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 31, 2023, 08:09:03 PM
Can't recall if his sketches for the opening scene showed a guillotine, but there was definately a guillotine prop for the film in front of Somerset House.

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Jan 31, 2023, 09:02:31 PM
I've popped the image in your dm, I'm not sure how to post it here  ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 01, 2023, 08:51:58 AM
Thanks, here it is. Didn't know about the other Ridleygrams:

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Feb 01, 2023, 07:23:41 PM
Excellent, thank you!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 04, 2023, 03:25:17 PM
QuoteMartin Phipps signs the soundtrack for the historical drama "Napoleon" (2023) directed by Ridley Scott.

https://twitter.com/asturscore/status/1621779332250091527

He has previously composed the music for the BBC's War and Peace series, so has done Napoleonic era before.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 04, 2023, 03:27:41 PM
Jablonsky's out then?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 04, 2023, 03:30:03 PM
Was he ever confirmed? Can't remember if a composer was mentioned with regards to this film yet?



EDIT: Okay, I see he was in the running at one point:

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 29, 2022, 05:14:21 PMNot sure if true.

Steve Jablonsky is Harry Gregson William's former assistant and best known for the Transformer movies soundtracks:

https://twitter.com/MarianaR/status/1541899837255417857

QuoteThe American composer Steve Jablonsky will be in charge of the music for Napoléon by Ridley Scott.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 08, 2023, 03:04:14 PM
Some good news. Hopefully trailer soon:

https://twitter.com/CinemaSoIace/status/1633477392139268101

I wonder if it will also get an 18 rating in the UK like The Last Duel?

R-Ratings in the US usually translate to 15 over here, but The Last Duel's rape scenes might have been a little too much for the rating board people.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 16, 2023, 04:44:04 PM
https://twitter.com/LEmperorgb/status/1636091449459589121
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 23, 2023, 02:52:20 PM
Looks like Napoleon will get a theatrical release:

https://twitter.com/Lucas_Shaw/status/1638909480590245888

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1638901022696325123

@Nightmare Asylum
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 23, 2023, 02:53:25 PM
Phenomenal. 8)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 03, 2023, 06:15:04 PM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1642950777118539776
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 03, 2023, 06:34:57 PM
Finally, about time. Still a long wait 'till November though.

QuoteApple Original Films has partnered with Sony Pictures Entertainment and set a November 22 worldwide theatrical release launch for Napoleon, the historical action epic directed by Ridley Scott that stars Joaquin Phoenix as French conqueror Napoleon Bonaparte and Vanessa Kirby as Empress Josephine. After the theatrical run, the film will stream globally on Apple TV+.

This becomes the second awards-season film from Apple set for an ambitious theatrical run, after the Cannes-bound Martin Scorsese-directed Killers of the Flower Moon was set for a late October release through Paramount Pictures. Paramount had some Killers rights and always was part of the Apple deal, but this is the first time Apple went out and aligned in a one-off distribution deal. Sony's Tom Rothman worked often with Scott when the filmmaker's Scott Free was based at Fox, and he will be primed to help maximize the awards chances of the director, who hasn't yet won an Oscar but has been nominated three times for Best Director, for Thelma & Louise, Gladiator and Black Hawk Down.

Napoleon had been in the Cannes Film Festival conversation at one point, but it became clear that wouldn't happen because of its fall release plans. It is still early, but expect Telluride, Venice and Toronto to chase this pic, as well as New York, whose September 29-October 15 date falls closest on the calendar to Thanksgiving. Deadline revealed last week that the Denis Villenueve-directed Dune sequel was unlikely to bow at Venice as did the original, because of the gap between Venice an the film's November 3 release date. A NYFF bow seems most likely for that film.

Directed by Scott from a screenplay by David Scarpa, Napoleon tells the story of the French emperor and military leader's origins and swift, ruthless climb to emperor. That is viewed through the prism of his addictive and often volatile relationship with his wife and one true love, Josephine. The film captures Napoleon's famous battles, relentless ambition and astounding strategic mind as an extraordinary military leader and war visionary. An Apple Studios production in conjunction with Scott Free Productions, Napoleon is produced by Scott, Kevin Walsh, Mark Huffam and Phoenix, with Michael Pruss and Aidan Elliott serving as executive producers.
Napoleon and Killers of the Flower Moon give the three-year-old Apple Original Films two prime entries in the awards race, after it became the first streamer to win the Best Picture Oscar two years ago with CODA.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Andrea90 on Apr 03, 2023, 07:09:02 PM
Is that the first official image of the film?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 03, 2023, 07:19:05 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 03, 2023, 08:23:17 PM
Yeah, the photo is credited to "Apple Original Films".

(https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/napoleon.jpg?w=681&h=383&crop=1)
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Post by: nanison on Apr 03, 2023, 10:12:47 PM
Does this mean that after it leaves cinemas it will forever be only watchable on apple+ ?
What a bloody shame. I'm not going to subscribe for apple+ to watch one film...
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 03, 2023, 11:01:41 PM
Unless Apple ends up doing physical releases (please Apple, start doing physical releases), yep.

I'm still waiting on them to physically put out The Tragedy of Macbeth, and with Napoleon and Killers of the Flower Moon coming this year I'm hoping even more so that they do eventually make that call.
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Post by: nanison on Apr 03, 2023, 11:20:12 PM
This is such a shit era for movie fans. I'm one of those people who look forward to catching a film debut on tv years after release. It used to be such a thing to look forward too in my day!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 03, 2023, 11:56:21 PM
I'll always be bitter about the streamers being super reluctant about releasing their films on physical media, but this rate, I'm just thankful for a proper theatrical release and not some joke of a one-week-only release stunt as a "commercial for the streaming service" like Netflix pulled with Glass Onion last year.

At least Netflix (through their partnership with Criterion) has been loosening their grip a tad and letting some of their movies get physical releases, though... Very happy to have The Irishman, Marriage Story, and El Camino on my shelf (though El Camino getting a release was more due to Sony's end of the deal than it was Netflix's). I still need to grab Okja and Power of the Dog as well... and scream into the void until they allow me to buy Glass Onion and Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 04, 2023, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 03, 2023, 11:01:41 PMUnless Apple ends up doing physical releases (please Apple, start doing physical releases), yep.

They have already announced the release of several of their Apple TV+ shows on Blu Ray:

Sharper. 2023.
Emancipation. 2022.
Spirited. 2022.
Causeway. 2022.
The Greatest Beer Run Ever. 2022.
Sidney. 2022.
The Sky Is Everywhere. 2022.
The Tragedy of Macbeth.

Expensive films like Napoleon will need a theatrical release, can't imagine it ever breaking even on a limited niche streaming platform like Apple TV+. Don't know what their deal with Sony was, but I suspect Sony might also do the Blu Ray distribution worldwide after the theatrical run.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 04, 2023, 03:11:27 PM
Official announcement from Apple:

https://twitter.com/AppleTV/status/1642957372518703107
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 08, 2023, 08:19:02 AM
@Ingwar

Quote from: Daily MailALISON BOSHOFF: Vegan activist  Joaquin Phoenix gets back in the saddle for Napoleon - five years after sharing his 'regret' at riding horses for movie roles.

Ardent vegan activist Joaquin Phoenix finds himself uncomfortably on horseback in the new Napoleon film by British director Ridley Scott.

Indeed, you can see in Phoenix's face just how much he enjoys it.. the answer being, not a lot.

Phoenix will have found himself horribly conflicted when forced to get back in the saddle.

He has been vegan since the age of three and believes that using any animal products — or using animals full stop — is a 'gross abuse of power'.

In 2018 he talked about having to ride horses in The Sisters Brothers — and how he regretted it.

'I didn't really think about it until I was there and realised: "Oh, it's a western and we're on horses a lot."

'I felt bad about riding them. I had the feeling that they were like, "I don't really want you on my back."

When somebody suggested the experience might be mutually enjoyable for rider and mount, Phoenix said: 'Yeah, but the horses tell you something different.'

The Apple TV+ movie will get a cinema release in November. British actress Vanessa Kirby co-stars as 'not tonight' Josephine.

In 2020 Phoenix took to the streets of London in a bid to urge Londoners to embrace a vegan lifestyle as he protested on behalf of animal rights.

The screen star, who just hours later would scooped the coveted Leading Actor trophy at the EE British Academy Film Awards, also tied himself to the city landmark Tower Bridge as he joined forces with activist group Animal Equality.

Showing his commitment to the cause, the Hollywood actor joined fellow protesters as they unfurled a huge 390 square-foot banner over the bridge, which read: 'Factory farming is destroying our planet. Go vegan.'

Further sharing his views on the matter, he said: 'I think we have a personal responsibility to take action right now and one way that we can mitigate climate change is by adjusting our consumption and by going plant-based.'

He added: 'I feel sometimes like it s not being talked about enough. So I'm just encouraging people to learn more about eating plant-based and to make a difference to make whatever personal impact they can on the climate emergency.'

To further drive the message home, Joaquin joined the activists in holding placards, which showed the impacts of animal agriculture on the environment and climate.

Days later Phoenix won the coveted Oscar award for Best Actor for his performance in the film Joker and launched a passionate speech animal rights and Speciesism, the idea that human superiority leads to the exploitation of animals.

He added: 'I feel sometimes like it s not being talked about enough. So I'm just encouraging people to learn more about eating plant-based and to make a difference to make whatever personal impact they can on the climate emergency.'
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: T Dog on Apr 08, 2023, 03:56:30 PM
I was talking to my mate today who worked on The Last Duel and they described Ridley as being a lot like Brian Cox's character on Succession, except a lot funnier and a bit less scary!  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 08, 2023, 05:24:27 PM
@The Eighth Passenger

At least he didn't eat raw bison liver as DiCaprio (also vegan) in The Revenant ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Apr 08, 2023, 05:37:35 PM
But plants are living organisms too Joaquin, you should eat plastics!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 08, 2023, 05:46:18 PM
Comparing spinach, carrot or onion to a cow, one of the most intelligent mammals on the planet is huge misunderstanding of the subject.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 08, 2023, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: T Dog on Apr 08, 2023, 03:56:30 PMI was talking to my mate today who worked on The Last Duel and they described Ridley as being a lot like Brian Cox's character on Succession, except a lot funnier and a bit less scary!  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

He could easily pass for the Sir if someone ever decided to make a Ridley Scott biopic.

Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 08, 2023, 05:24:27 PM@The Eighth Passenger

At least he didn't eat raw bison liver as DiCaprio (also vegan) in The Revenant ;D

That's pretty hardcore. Didn't he say he doesn't do method?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 08, 2023, 07:04:45 PM
QuoteWhile speaking to Variety, DiCaprio admits that the prop department did indeed build a faux bison liver from jelly—certainly a more edible alternative to the authentic organ. But DiCaprio, concerned that the fake did not look genuine, volunteered to eat an actual bison liver. In addition to the challenge of finding a real bison liver, however, production had to get permission to feed one of Hollywood's most valuable movie stars a raw, potentially diseased animal organ by getting clearance from both his team of lawyers and agents.

DiCaprio generously walks Variety through the experience of biting into uncooked bison liver, explaining, "The bad part is the membrane around it. . . . It's like a balloon. When you bite into it, it bursts in your mouth."

Speaking to Yahoo several months back, DiCaprio confirmed that Iñárritu included the take of him eating the real deal in the final cut of the film. "When you see the movie, you'll see my reaction to it, because Alejandro kept it in," DiCaprio revealed. "It says it all. It was an instinctive reaction."

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/12/leonardo-dicaprio-the-revenant-raw-bison-liver
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Post by: Kradan on Apr 08, 2023, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 08, 2023, 05:46:18 PMComparing spinach, carrot or onion to a cow, one of the most intelligent mammals on the planet is huge misunderstanding of the subject.

So that's the reasoning ? It's bad to eat a cow 'cause it's more intelligent ?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 08, 2023, 08:07:26 PM
Isn't it less harmful to eat plants rather than animals? Also comparing animals to plants is pointless.

Every mammal feels pain when being hurt. Just watch some videos from slaughterhouses and tell me it doesn't make you feel sad? There's not really much difference between us, humans and them when it comes to pain. You cannot say the same about plants. Just be realistic.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 19, 2023, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: IndieWireRidley Scott and costume designers Janty Yates and David Crossman, "Napoleon"

"Napoleon" is the latest in a 15-film collaboration between Scott and Yates that spans more than 20 years, beginning with "Gladiator" in 2000 (for which the costume designer won the Oscar). For the last several years, they've focused on period pieces, including "All the Money in the World," "The Last Duel," and "House of Gucci." Yet "Napoleon" represents their most ambitious collaboration since "Gladiator." In fact, the director reshaped the script (originally titled "Kitbag") to fit star Joaquin Phoenix's personal take on Napoleon Bonaparte. The film is probably the most expansive cinematic depiction since Abel Gance's silent classic, "Napoleon." It explores his rise to power as general and emperor, fueled by his obsessive love for his wife, Joséphine (Vanessa Kirby). With its extensive battles, however, there was the need to take on an additional costume designer, David Crossman ("Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny," "The Batman"), to handle the vast array of military uniforms.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Apr 25, 2023, 03:12:04 AM
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1650698831342780416
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Apr 25, 2023, 03:59:12 AM
I can only imagine Ridley threatened to put one of his cigars out in someone's eye if the movie was phone exclusive.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 25, 2023, 10:21:12 AM
Quote from: The Hollywood ReporterRidley Scott's 'Napoleon' Unveils Epic Battle Scene at CinemaCon.

Sony film boss Tom Rothman shared the first footage scene from the Apple Original Films project, which stars Joaquin Phoenix as the French emperor and military leader.

Napoleon is on his way.

During Monday night's Sony presentation at CinemaCon in Las Vegas, the studio revealed the first footage ever of Ridley Scott's epic from Apple Original Films. Directed by Scott from a screenplay by David Scarpa, Napoleon stars Oscar winner Joaquin Phoenix as the French emperor and military leader Napoleon Bonaparte. The feature is notable as it signals Apple is serious about entering the theatrical space, which is welcome news for theater owners.

Sony film boss Tom Rothman introduced the footage, noting the film will have a "robust theatrical window and a full-throttle marketing campaign before moving to Apple TV+." He added to theater owners, "We trust you will all give maximum support to this film," as it could portend more cooperation between theaters and streamers to come.

Rothman noted that an epic tale of this scale has not been seen in years.

Indeed, the footage shown supports that notion. The moody scene takes place on a snowy battle field, as Napoleon led enemy troops onto a frozen lake, and then proceeds to rain cannon fire down as soldiers fall into the water, bodies and blood mixing. Napoleon stands from a hilltop, watching his carnage unfold. (For those curious, Phoenix does not seem to be speaking in a French accent in the film.)

"Epic is the only proper description of that Apple Original Film," Rothman said after showing the scene.

The film is said to be an "original and personal look at Napoleon's origins and his swift, ruthless climb to emperor, viewed through the prism of his addictive and often volatile relationship with his wife and one true love, Josephine, played by Vanessa Kirby." Tahar Rahim, Ben Miles, Matthew Needham and Ludivine Sagnier round out the cast.

An Apple Studios production in conjunction with Scott Free Prods., Napoleon is produced by Scott, Kevin Walsh, Mark Huffam and Phoenix with Michael Pruss and Aidan Elliott serving as executive producers. Apple announced earlier this month that Scott's film will first be released exclusively in theaters across the globe in partnership with Sony on Nov. 22. After its theatrical run, Napoleon will then stream globally on Apple TV+.

CinemaCon, the official convention of National Association of Theatre Owners, is being held inside Caesars Palace in Las Vegas from April 24-27. Sony Pictures Entertainment kicked off the studio presentations on Monday night by teasing its 2023 slate and beyond.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ridley-scotts-napoleon-cinemacon-1235398734/amp/


More from Deadline:

Quote from: DeadlineRothman conveyed to exhibs in Caesars Palace Colosseum theater how baffled he is that Scott still hasn't won an Oscar for Best Director. "I know that he can do things cinematically that filmmakers half his age, can't do," Rothman said praising the 85-year-old filmmaker.

How's the footage? Let's just say it would make Barry Lyndon director Stanley Kubrick jealous. The clip shown has Joaquin Phoenix's title character commanding the French army in a foggy, blurry wintery epic battle with the Russian and Austrian forces. Napoleon knows it's coming; he has invited the attack. Lots of bayonets slicing and soldiers falling in the icy water. Next to other notable big battle pics like Braveheart and 1917, Napoleon stands apart.

"Let them think they have the high ground!" says the Joker Oscar winner.

"Old school, big screen," exclaimed Rothman about the footage.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2023/04/ridley-scotts-apple-movie-napoleon-invades-sonys-cinemacon-presentation-1235335821/amp/







Quote from: KiramidHead on Apr 25, 2023, 03:59:12 AMI can only imagine Ridley threatened to put one of his cigars out in someone's eye if the movie was phone exclusive.

He may have threatened Apple by publicly admitting he filmed Napoleon on a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra.

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 25, 2023, 11:14:25 AM
Release a trailer, please and thank you!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Apr 25, 2023, 12:53:45 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 25, 2023, 10:21:12 AMHe may have threatened Apple by publicly admitting he filmed Napoleon on a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra.

LOL
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Apr 25, 2023, 02:00:04 PM

WOW!They played 10 minutes of footage! They are saying Ridley will win his first academy award. Sounds incredible.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 25, 2023, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Facehugger001 on Apr 25, 2023, 02:00:04 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfiwgpSujCM
WOW!They played 10 minutes of footage! They are saying Ridley will win his first academy award. Sounds incredible.

An Academy Award would be rather amusing, after the butt of shitty jokes they turned The Last Duel into at the 2022 Oscars.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 25, 2023, 03:30:27 PM
Take my money now ;D

QuoteIn the footage, we join Napoleon and his forces after they have been discovered by the Russian and Austrian armies. We see Napoleon looking at enemy troops through a spyglass before he screams, "Wait! Let them think they have the high ground."

The enemy starts to charge and Napoleon tricks his opponent to retreat onto a frozen lake. As they scream, "it's a trap," Napoleon unleashes his cannons that quickly shatter the ice, sending the troops and horses to an icy, watery grave.

It's a very intense and terrifying scene, with men getting trapped under horses in an attempt to not get pulled into the lake. There is lots of blood in the water, which stands in stark contrast to the very grey-blue-white color palette in the scene.

https://www.ign.com/articles/ridley-scotts-napoleon-cinemacon-footage-showcases-an-epic-battle-scene-starring-joaquin-phoenix
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 25, 2023, 04:22:47 PM
More from Variety:

Quote from: Variety"Napoleon," Ridley Scott's sweeping historical epic about the French military leader, debuted footage for the first time at CinemaCon. The film is a mixture of the new and old worlds, and not just in terms of its subject matter. It's being produced by Apple Original Films, one of the new tech players to enter the movie business, and is being distributed in theaters by Sony, a traditional studio that used its presentation to talk up the movie.

"The film shouts big screen," Sony Pictures chief Tom Rothman teased.

Joaquin Phoenix stars as Napoleon Bonaparte, the brilliant military strategist who conquered much of Europe only to see his empire crumble. But the film isn't all about the battles that determined the course of history. It will also offer a more personal look at the visionary commander by dissecting his volatile relationship with his wife, Josephine, played by Vanessa Kirby.

But marital discord wasn't on offer in the footage shared at CinemaCon, which focused on a snowy conflict between the French and an opposing army (possibly the Cossacks?), who are lured into a trap with bloody consequences.

"Let them think they have the higher ground," Napoleon tells his troops. Calvaries charge, cannons fire and Napoleon's unlucky enemies are tricked into retreating onto sheer ice. It's real cast-of-thousands stuff that must have cost a pretty penny. (It helps that Apple has a market cap that would leave Napoleon trembling.)

The film could be a major awards season player. Kirby was previously nominated for an Oscar for "Pieces of a Woman," while Phoenix won the best actor prize for "Joker." Plus, Scott knows his way around a historical epic, having previously directed the likes of "Gladiator," "The Last Duel" and "Exodus: Gods and Kings."

"He can do things cinematically that few, if any, filmmakers half his age can do," said Rothman, who noted that Scott has yet to win an Oscar. That could change, the studio chief suggested. This time, Scott "does it on a scale not seen in years," Rothman said.

"Hold on to your tri-corner hats," Rothman said, debuting a tagline that probably won't make the final poster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2023/film/news/ridley-scott-napoleon-joaquin-phoenix-spectacular-battle-footage-cinemacon-1235592957/amp/


From SlashFilm:

QuoteSony Chairman Tom Rothman personally set up the footage for Ridley Scott's latest. Russian and Austrian armies have joined forces against Napoleon. They've discovered a French camp at the edge of a field, and our titular character has hidden his cannons and invited the attack. Let the historical epic begin. We see dark gray skies and, beyond that, there is a blue tinge to the footage. Phoenix is (rather appropriately) wearing a tri-cornered hat. "Wait," he tells his army. "Let them think they have the higher ground." Fog rolls in as the armies approach — and it looks like it's snowing

Armies on horseback and on foot roll in, and they're carrying muskets. They ride into a line of soldiers, slicing with swords atop their horses while the armies fire their guns. Napoleon is watching from a distance, barking orders and surveying the horrific action like a chess master. Our main man then sends in the infantry. At this point, it's clear that the movie looks very big in scope, with hundreds and hundreds of extras. "Pierce their flanks!" Napoleon shouts. Riders emerge from his side, bursting out of the tree line into a large field aimed square at the now-exposed enemy forces. They retreat.

We get a pretty nice hero shot of Napoleon witnessing the carnage. He drops his hand, signaling his people to fire the hidden cannons. The ground explodes as it's revealed that the battlefield is actually a frozen lake! The cannonballs blast through the ice, causing the enemies to fall into the freezing water below. It's utter chaos, and the enemy forces are getting, per Mr. Pearson's observations, "absolutely owned." We see some very red blood in the icy water mixed in with some really cool underwater shots of the cannonballs dropping under the ice. More chaos as a guy is crushed by his horse and people are scrambling to get out of the water — but they only slide in deeper.

"Cut off their retreat!" Napoleon yells. The cannons go nuts as we get more smoke, explosions, violence, and yes, more red blood in the water. An enemy flag sinks as a body drops to the bottom of the lake. And that's about it! Mr. Pearson also notes that the footage looks "awesome," though for much of it, the color is just a "blah" gray, though that is just about the only downside – and we did get some color once the blood hit the water. Also of note: it is tough to tell if Phoenix is doing a French accent or not as his lines were short but, so far as could be gleaned from this footage, it does not appear so.

Read More: https://www.slashfilm.com/1267118/napoleon-footage-reaction-cinemacon-2023/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Apr 25, 2023, 05:06:21 PM
"Oscar contender" and "Exodus" really shouldn't be in the same paragraph.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Mala'kak on May 24, 2023, 09:33:02 AM
When do we expect the marketing to begin?

Would be nice to see a poster at least!


Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 02, 2022, 09:14:55 PMLegit?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUP07V8XsAAVVft?format=jpg&name=medium

It's on the IMDB page for this movie so must be legit. Who knows.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13287846/mediaviewer/rm1580083201?ref_=ttmi_mi_all_pos_9
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on May 24, 2023, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Mala'kak on May 24, 2023, 09:33:02 AMWhen do we expect the marketing to begin?

I assume pretty soon. Somewhere in June probably. Killers of the Flower Moon's trailer has been released already and movie will hit theatres month earlier (20 October) than Napoleon (24 November).
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on May 26, 2023, 10:46:48 AM
I feel like once Cannes is out of the way, we might see something at the end of the month.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 05, 2023, 07:12:37 PM
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1665798402834087936
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 05, 2023, 07:32:28 PM
Ooh.. they're gonna get into trouble for taking bootleg pics of the screen at a trade converence. Master and Commander vibes but with Commodus as captain instead of Maximus.

That looks like the Muiron that Napoleon/Phoenix is standing aboard.
Spoiler
She was incorporated in the fleet that invaded Egypt, and after the Battle of the Nile, Bonaparte departed for France aboard. She later took part in the Battle of Algeciras Bay.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSKLSIfWQAYfsow?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jun 05, 2023, 08:48:09 PM
(https://images.thedirect.com/media/photos/napoleon1.jpg)

Short clip inside:

https://thedirect.com/article/joaquin-phoenix-napoleon-movie-online-footage
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Jun 05, 2023, 10:58:51 PM
https://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1665819667703689216
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 06, 2023, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 05, 2023, 10:58:51 PMhttps://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1665819667703689216

If Ridley doesn't use this song for the trailer music then I'm outta here:

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Jun 06, 2023, 10:34:57 AM
The HD footage is on Apple's Vision Pro YouTube upload towards the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E

Looks like they might use the movie as part of their official promo.

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 06, 2023, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: Facehugger001 on Jun 06, 2023, 10:34:57 AMThe HD footage is on Apple's Vision Pro YouTube upload towards the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E

Looks like they might use the movie as part of their official promo.



Nice, it's at 1:37:27.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx8iUFpaAAQvrM9?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 06, 2023, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 05, 2023, 08:48:09 PMhttps://images.thedirect.com/media/photos/napoleon1.jpg

Looking at the high-def footage, that's the HMS Inconstant.

QuoteHMS Inconstant (1783)

HMS Inconstant was a 36-gun Perseverance-class fifth-rate frigate of the Royal Navy. She had a successful career serving in the French Revolutionary and ...

Which inevitably raises the question...

...what is Naps doing on a British frigate?

On the way to St. Helena in full dress uniform? Sailing on a captured prize?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Jun 06, 2023, 04:04:35 PM
Rober De Niro as Napoleon.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Jun 06, 2023, 05:28:19 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 06, 2023, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 05, 2023, 10:58:51 PMhttps://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1665819667703689216

If Ridley doesn't use this song for the trailer music then I'm outta here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj_9CiNkkn4

Haha, LOL

I'd demand that movie's score to be nothing but ABBA songs
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 06, 2023, 06:36:41 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 06, 2023, 05:28:19 PMI'd demand that movie's score to be nothing but ABBA songs

I mean, why not? He did it with The Martian. ;D
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Post by: ralfy on Jun 07, 2023, 01:29:05 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 06, 2023, 04:04:35 PMRober De Niro as Napoleon.
They should use this song, then


Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 07, 2023, 03:35:59 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx-AuveWIAUY7y-?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Mala'kak on Jun 07, 2023, 10:43:39 PM
Just need a trailer now. Come on Ridley just release it!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 08, 2023, 06:27:13 AM
It'd be imminent I imagine.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Jun 15, 2023, 04:47:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fyl8Q4yWAAAQFgH?format=jpg&name=large)


Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 07, 2023, 03:35:59 PMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx-AuveWIAUY7y-?format=jpg&name=900x900

This one looks like Ray Liotta
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jun 25, 2023, 08:05:50 AM
Vanessa Kirby:

QuoteIt's epic. Joaquin is extraordinary. It's Ridley's finest historical biopic, really. It's got incredible battles and an amazing character study, like Joaquin does. It was a pleasure. It was a pleasure to do it. I loved it.

https://collider.com/napoleon-movie-vanessa-kirby-comments-mission-impossible-dead-reckoning/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: T Dog on Jun 25, 2023, 09:21:05 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 06, 2023, 04:04:35 PMRober De Niro as Napoleon.

That casting would have 100% been on point in the 70's/80's.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 27, 2023, 08:49:05 AM
Teaser coming soon...

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1673417124872683521
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Post by: Ingwar on Jun 27, 2023, 11:30:28 AM
According to this is 157 minutes (10 minutes longer) but it doesn't really matter. In comparison The Last Duel is 153 minutes.

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/6/heqzcm11xi17ob7kdxcl1zw6a7aeqn

According to a listing on South Korea's official rating board:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzkAp0YacAAw6pa?format=png&name=small)

https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1300150-napoleon-runtime-revealed-for-ridley-scott-and-joaquin-phoenix-movie
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Jul 08, 2023, 07:51:01 PM
https://twitter.com/worldofreel/status/1677756164195471361
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 08, 2023, 08:31:03 PM
Strange, Mission Impossible DR is a Paramount production, not Sony Pictures. And action/adventure audiences aren't generally historical drama fans.

Isn't Vanessa Kirby also in that? Maybe that's why the trailer is attached to Mission Impossible?


Quote from: World of ReelA trailer for Ridley Scott's much-anticipated "Napoleon" is attached to IMAX copies of 'Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning Part One.'  I presume the trailer might be released online this coming week.

Although it will be gunning for awards season, "Napoleon," according to Screen Daily, is currently set to skip the fall festivals.

At time of writing Screen understood the film will not receive a world premiere festival berth.

Produced and financed by Apple, Scott's epic reunites the filmmaker with Joaquin Phoenix as the European conquering emperor. Scott is 85-years-old, but this is said to be one of the most ambitious films of his career.

The exclusive footage shown at this past April's CinemaCon was said to feature a winter battle scene where Russian and Austrian forces team-up against a French advance only to fall victim to a battlefield trap concocted by Napoleon.

Here's The Playlist's Gregory Ellwood describing what he saw:

The scenes featured hundreds (a thousand?) extras on horseback ("Kingdom of Heaven" vibes) and almost entirely in-camera visual effects (lots of on-the-ground explosions). There were at least three or four individual shots that anyone in the room will still remember weeks from now, which obviously a very good thing. The only concern is Scott has allowed all the actors to speak in their native accents which in this case means Napoleon sounds American. Scott got away with it on his last film, "The Last Duel," but we're a bit concerned it won't work in this particular historical context.

The film, which opens exclusively in theaters on November 22, has already been test-screened twice — I posted three reactions so far, masterpiece, masterpiece and mixed.

"Napoleon" stars Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby. It is 154 minutes in length and tackles Napoleon's world-conquering theatrics, not to mention his frosty relationship with wife Joséphine (Kirby).

Scott's epic has also been "Rated R" for strong violence, some grisly images, sexual content and brief language. Based on what I've heard, it's a bloody and gruelling epic that has an incredible performance from Phoenix.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 08, 2023, 08:49:38 PM
Just give me this bloody trailer for f**k sake ;)
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Post by: KiramidHead on Jul 08, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Well I guess I'll buy the IMAX tickets this time, then.
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Post by: ace3g on Jul 10, 2023, 12:08:44 PM

https://twitter.com/SonyPictures/status/1678372998779387904
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 10, 2023, 12:21:19 PM
Oh man here we gooooo
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 10, 2023, 12:55:00 PM
E
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(https://www.napoleon.movie/images/synopsis_poster.jpg)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Jul 10, 2023, 01:43:22 PM
Conclusion - don't mess with short people
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 10, 2023, 01:47:48 PM
Napoleon wasn't actually short. It's a myth :)

QuoteThough it's hard to say if and why the British invented the short Napoleon trope, there is some truth in Cruikshank's representation: Napoleon was probably significantly shorter than his troops. Several sources note that his elite guards were taller than most Frenchmen, and thus Napoleon had the appearance of being shorter than he really was. Yet interpretations of Napoleon's death certificate estimate that his height when he died was between 5'2" and 5'7" (1.58 and 1.7 meters). The discrepancy is often explained by the disparity between the 19th-century French inch, which was 2.71 cm, and the current inch measurement, which is 2.54 cm. Sources consequently estimate that Napoleon was probably closer to 5'6" or 5'7" (1.68 or 1.7 meters) than to 5'2". Although the range may seem short by 21st-century standards, it was typical in the 19th century, when most Frenchmen stood between 5'2" and 5'6" (1.58 and 1.68 meters) tall. Napoleon was thus average or taller, no matter the interpretation.

https://www.britannica.com/story/was-napoleon-short#:~:text=Several%20sources%20note%20that%20his,(1.58%20and%201.7%20meters).
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Jul 10, 2023, 02:06:06 PM
Conclusion - don't mess with allegedly short people
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 10, 2023, 02:39:09 PM
Trailer looks epic. One of the film news sites mentioned a budget of $200 million but I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere else.


Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 10, 2023, 01:47:48 PMNapoleon wasn't actually short. It's a myth :)

The English made up all kinds of bad stuff about Napoleon in order to demean him in the eyes of the general public. His derogatory nickname among the Brits was "Boney" or "ol' Boney".



Commodus is back! Interestingly Napoleon styled himself after the ancient Roman emperors, so we've kind of come full circle here

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0rppWIXwAIBYkW?format=jpg&name=large)






French poster:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0rs3cqXoAEyw9P?format=jpg&name=large)




Scott again recreating classical paintings:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0rpISTXwAIBmKN?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0rpISUWcAUxEDq?format=jpg&name=large)

This 1886 painting is by French artist, Jean-Léon Gérôme. The same artist who's work "Pollice Verso" persuaded Scott to direct Gladiator.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 10, 2023, 03:24:28 PM
Not a huge fan of the trailer's music but the rest feels pretty awesome   
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 10, 2023, 03:26:10 PM
It's missing something.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 10, 2023, 03:32:31 PM
Now you mention it, somehow feels half-assed..
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Post by: KiramidHead on Jul 10, 2023, 05:50:35 PM
The movie looks good but the trailer editing isn't great.
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Post by: nanison on Jul 10, 2023, 06:35:25 PM
Looks suitably grand to me.

That bastard shot the pyramid, freaking dictators!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 10, 2023, 08:47:12 PM
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24779990/napoleon_pyramid.png)

(https://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Napoleon-still.jpg)

(https://content.maltatoday.com.mt/ui/images/photos/screenshot_2023-07-10_at_14.50.21.png)

(https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/napoleon-french-world-map.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=1500&dpr=1.5)
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Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 10, 2023, 11:43:18 PM
Can't resist Joaquin, gonna have to see this even though I don't expect historical accuracy, from the trailer I can tell it'll be epic.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 11, 2023, 12:26:20 AM
Quote from: Still Collating... on Jul 10, 2023, 11:43:18 PMCan't resist Joaquin

Ever seen SpaceCamp?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 11, 2023, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 10, 2023, 03:26:10 PMIt's missing something.

No half-helmets or mullets. But don't worry, I'll find something else to gripe about sooner or later.





(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0xOCudWYAApVWx?format=jpg&name=large)

Another homage to a classical painting. Boney actually does look a bit like a sulky hobbit in the painting.
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Post by: Mala'kak on Jul 12, 2023, 01:51:12 PM
FINALLY! we got the trailer.

And I have to say it looks like a masterpiece!

Can't wait to watch it. If only it wasn't an Apple TV exclusive as I would love to have owned it digitally or blu-ray.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 12, 2023, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 11, 2023, 12:26:20 AM
Quote from: Still Collating... on Jul 10, 2023, 11:43:18 PMCan't resist Joaquin

Ever seen SpaceCamp?

Nope. Is it good or terrible? The way you asked makes me suspicious... :laugh:
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Post by: ralfy on Jul 13, 2023, 12:16:21 AM
What a weird Hollywood trailer.
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Post by: PullthePlug on Jul 13, 2023, 12:07:44 PM
LOVED THAT!

I think they have purposely kept all of Napoleon's epic rages / speeches out of the trailer. They will ramp up his terror as it goes I think.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 08, 2023, 08:31:03 PMStrange, Mission Impossible DR is a Paramount production, not Sony Pictures. And action/adventure audiences aren't generally historical drama fans.

The handful of people I know who watched Mission Impossible on IMAX said the trailer didn't play beforehand - could be limited to US audiences perhaps?
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Post by: ralfy on Jul 14, 2023, 02:39:25 AM
I'm reminded of Bondarchuk's epic.

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 16, 2023, 05:19:50 PM
History professor analyzes the trailer, separating myth from fact:

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Post by: Ingwar on Jul 16, 2023, 06:47:39 PM

It won't be historically accurate but it's all about the spectacle! :)

https://www.tiktok.com/@historyhit/video/7254913401468554523?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2023, 06:06:39 AM
I knew it wouldn't be historically accurate when it became apparent that it wouldn't cover Napoleon's mysterious disappearance from Austria in 1805.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 19, 2023, 05:14:16 PM
Busy reading Sir Bernard Cornwell's "Waterloo: The History of Four Days, Three Armies and Three Battles".

Having read his Agincourt and other Hundred Year War novels in preparation for The Last Duel, I can certify that nobody else does battles better than Cornwell.

Land warfare during the Napoleonic era was basically a game of rock, paper, scissors. You had infantry, cavalry and artillery. The trick was how to use each of those elements successfully.

Infantry in standard line formation was very vulnerable to cavalry charges. But there was a trick. If there was sufficient warning time, the infantry would go into a square formation. The first row of infantry would kneel down and wedge their bayoneted rifles into the ground, facing outwards. The second line would stand behind them with their bayonets' facing horizontally outwards. This created an almost impregnable barrier to horses and allowed other infantry within the square to fire outward at the circling cavalry.

A British square seen in the trailer:

(https://imgur.com/CFeX991.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/RK6mazA.jpg)

(https://trulyart.com/cdn/shop/products/the-28th-regiment-at-quatre-bras-painting_elizabeth-thompson-2x1mirror.jpg?v=1549985826)

Of course such an infantry formation could only be used defensively and would be very vulnerable to artillery fire, whereas a widely spaced infantry line would be almost invulnerable to cannon fire.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 20, 2023, 04:14:08 PM
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Post by: ralfy on Jul 21, 2023, 02:31:56 AM
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2023, 04:06:53 AM
It's nice to see ralfy branching out.  He'll be in every thread soon.
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Post by: nanison on Jul 21, 2023, 12:47:57 PM
Imagine how scary it must have been to be in a small square defending your life with hundreds of thunderous horses and shouting and smoke and fire all around you. War remains so fascinating. The fascinating part being how can you get people so far that they'd be willing to massacre one another without questions asked.

And history just repeats itself. Just when you thought it would never happen again in Europe, an extremely violent and deadly battle erupted, not only that but it is bloody trench warfare, who would have guessed it would end up like that...

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 23, 2023, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: nanison on Jul 21, 2023, 12:47:57 PMThe fascinating part being how can you get people so far that they'd be willing to massacre one another without questions asked.

Seems a major motivation was looting. The soldiers mostly came from poor and desperate families. Even the army could often not provide them with sufficient rations to eat and the pay was negligible.

One infantryman recounts how on the eve of Waterloo there was nothing to eat. After spending the night in torrential downpour, trying to sleep with half his body submerged in water and mud, there was no breakfast either. Someone from his unit looted a pig from a nearby farm. They cut it up and boiled it, but there was no salt, so they seasoned it with gunpowder instead. The infantryman got a piece of pig head to eat but it turned out to be inedible.

During the midst of battle, the soldiers from both sides would often stop to loot the enemies corpses even while being shot at. Enemy soldiers who surrendered were outright robbed.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Jul 23, 2023, 08:35:25 PM
Makes sense but even today lots of Ukrainians were willing to join the battle.
If my country gets invaded I'd do everything I possibly can to not go to war, I'm absolutely not patriotic!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 24, 2023, 09:10:59 AM
The Ukrainians are fighting to protect their homes and families though. Fighting for their very right to exist as an independent nation. Don't need anymore motivation to fight than that.

In the case of Waterloo it was mostly French, British, Prussian (German) and Dutch troops fighting in Belgium. Foreign troops on foreign soil, yet it was an absolute butcher's yard. Some of the fiercest and bloodiest fighting in the history of mankind.

Fighting to protect your home and family I can understand, fighting for vagueries such as honour, glory, borders, emperors and kings? That's a whole different kettle of fish.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Jul 24, 2023, 10:57:17 AM
I would not even fight for my home, it is just a property, I'd get the hell out of there... I can find a home everywhere.
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Post by: kwisatz on Jul 24, 2023, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: nanison on Jul 24, 2023, 10:57:17 AMI can find a home everywhere.

Preferably in a democratic country, I suppose?
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Post by: nanison on Jul 24, 2023, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 24, 2023, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: nanison on Jul 24, 2023, 10:57:17 AMI can find a home everywhere.

Preferably in a democratic country, I suppose?

I don't know, I never lived in North Korea to pick the most extreme opposite  :P
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Post by: PullthePlug on Jul 25, 2023, 09:34:13 AM
Actor Sam Crane portrays artist, Jacques-Louis David in the Napoleon movie. David was responsible for some of Napoleon's most iconic paintings. On his instagram, Crane describes working on the film as "incredible".
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Post by: Ingwar on Jul 25, 2023, 10:06:23 AM
Great find.

QuoteDavid's close association with the Committee of Public Safety during the Terror resulted in his signing of the death warrant for Alexandre de Beauharnais, a minor noble. Beauharnais's widow, Joséphine, went on to marry Napoleon Bonaparte and became his empress; David himself depicted their coronation in the Coronation of Napoleon and Josephine, 2 December 1804.

David had been an admirer of Napoleon from their first meeting, struck by Bonaparte's classical features. Requesting a sitting from the busy and impatient general, David was able to sketch Napoleon in 1797. David recorded the face of the conqueror of Italy, but the full composition of Napoleon holding the peace treaty with Austria remains unfinished. This was likely a decision by Napoleon himself after considering the current political situation. He may have considered the publicity the portrait would bring about to be ill-timed. Bonaparte had high esteem for David, and asked him to accompany him to Egypt in 1798, but David refused, seemingly unwilling to give up the material comfort, safety, and peace of mind he had obtained through the years. Draftsman and engraver Dominique Vivant Denon went to Egypt instead, providing mostly documentary and archaeological work.[22]

After Napoleon's successful coup d'état in 1799, as First Consul he commissioned David to commemorate his daring crossing of the Alps. The crossing of the St. Bernard Pass had allowed the French to surprise the Austrian army and win victory at the Battle of Marengo on 14 June 1800. Although Napoleon had crossed the Alps on a mule, he requested that he be portrayed "calm upon a fiery steed". David complied with Napoleon Crossing the Saint-Bernard. After the proclamation of the Empire in 1804, David became the official court painter of the regime. During this period he took students, one of whom was the Belgian painter Pieter van Hanselaere.

One of the works David was commissioned for was The Coronation of Napoleon (1805-1807). David was permitted to watch the event. He had plans of Notre Dame delivered and participants in the coronation came to his studio to pose individually, though never the Emperor. (The only time David obtained a sitting from Napoleon had been in 1797.) David did manage to get a private sitting with the Empress Joséphine and Napoleon's sister, Caroline Murat, through the intervention of erstwhile art patron Marshal Joachim Murat, the Emperor's brother-in-law. For his background, David had the choir of Notre Dame act as his fill-in characters. Pope Pius VII came to sit for the painting, and actually blessed David. Napoleon came to see the painter, stared at the canvas for an hour and said "David, I salute you." David had to redo several parts of the painting because of Napoleon's various whims, and for this painting, he received twenty-four thousand Francs.

David was made a Chevalier de la Légion d'honneur in 1803. He was promoted to an Officier in 1808. And, in 1815, he was promoted to a Commandant (now Commandeur) de la Légion d'honneur.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques-Louis_David

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The Coronation of Napoleon
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 26, 2023, 03:19:32 PM
Costumes from Napoleon. 3500 were rented from Peris Costumes and 2800 were specificaly made for the film:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 28, 2023, 05:44:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Abzybabzy/status/1678671815399419904

Posted July 11th, but just noticed it now.
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Post by: Ingwar on Jul 28, 2023, 05:52:49 PM
Wait, what? Salim is in it? I just checked IMDb but he's not in the cast unless he's uncredited or there's something I don't get.

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 29, 2023, 08:19:15 AM
Magazine's name checks out.

Subscribers cover:

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Quote from: EmpireSpecial things happen when Ridley Scott sets his sights on history. Sometimes, you get Gladiator – a thunderous, immersive, near-mythical tale that ensures you are entertained. Sometimes, you get the grand sweep of Kingdom Of Heaven (the director's cut, in particular) – an epic evocation of the Crusades, packed with clashing swords and astonishing combat. Sometimes, you get The Last Duel – a psychological deep-dive told across multiple perspectives. Now, make way for Napoleon. Scott's next historical epic looks to be all those things at once: a wild, non-typical biopic that breaks the rules to keep you hooked; a story told on a gigantic scale, with war, revolution and bloody battlefields; and, ultimately a scalpel to the psyche of Napoleon himself, and his tempestuous relationship with Joséphine de Beauharnais. The fuse is lit – get ready for the boom. In the new issue of Empire, we take a world-exclusive journey inside into Napoleon with Scott, plus his two lead stars Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby – getting the inside story on a huge new drama that burrows deep under the skin of its central figures. From the mercurial mindsets of Napoleon and Joséphine themselves, to the surprisingly swift shoot, to the mammoth undertaking of the production, and the blood-spattered legacy of its titular figure, get ready to charge into the heart of Scott's latest saga. Packed with never-before-seen images, surprising historical revelations, and stories as only Ridley Scott can tell them, it's the ultimate access to a major new event from one of cinema's greatest filmmakers.This month's newsstand cover sees Joaquin Phoenix's Napoleon himself – with that infamous bicorne hat – take centre stage.And this month's subscriber cover is a striking geometric vision of one of history's wildest warmongers, illustrated exclusively for Empire by Noma Bar.
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Post by: ace3g on Jul 29, 2023, 01:19:03 PM
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1685243959189049344
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 29, 2023, 01:21:53 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 29, 2023, 01:33:57 PM
Impressive half-ornamentation
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 29, 2023, 02:21:03 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jul 29, 2023, 01:19:03 PMhttps://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1685243959189049344

QuoteHow do you solve a problem like Napoleon Bonaparte? That's the quandary at the centre of Ridley Scott's upcoming historical epic, simply titled Napoleon – a film that is, at once, the kind of battle-fuelled behemoth you want from the director of Gladiator, and the exact opposite of that too. Emperor, conqueror, monster – the French military leader was many things. And Scott's film, above all else, is about trying to get into his head (perched somewhere under that gigantic bicorne hat) to find out exactly what made him tick.

The contradictions at play in Napoleon himself are channelled into Napoleon. While Scott is playing on a vast historical canvas, this isn't a rousing story of triumph. Instead, we get a film that doesn't shy away from the considerable amount of blood on Napoleon's hands. "I compare him with Alexander The Great. Adolf Hitler. Stalin," Scott tells Empire in our world-exclusive cover feature. "Listen, he's got a lot of bad shit under his belt. At the same time, he was remarkable with his courage, and in his can-do and in his dominance. He was extraordinary." Joaquin Phoenix, too, was intent on subverting the usual tropes of heroics, victories, and the story of a rebellious figure rising through the ranks. "That's definitely something we wanted to avoid," he says. "Certainly speaking for myself, I actively wanted to avoid the conventions of the biopic."

Central to Scott's take was to focus on the tumultuous relationship between Phoenix's Napoleon – the star reuniting with his Gladiator director – and Joséphine de Beauharnais (Vanessa Kirby). "It was very hard work, because it's so easy to start talking about battles when I want to talk about Napoleon," says Scott. "So I kept reining it in, I kept going back to Joséphine." For Kirby, it was a trip trying to discover the real Joséphine – who she was herself, and who she was to Napoleon. "What was so challenging, and kind of elusive, about her, was that every single book, whether it was first-hand accounts, third-hand stories, documents, testimonies, and Napoleon's letters... every single one was completely different," she explains. "She was just this massive contradiction. Every time I thought I'd locked down, 'Okay, this is who she is, and I think I can get hold of this', something would completely counteract it."

As for embodying Napoleon himself, Scott knew Phoenix was the man for the job when he caught up with Joker. ("I'm staring at Joaquin and saying, 'This little demon is Napoleon Bonaparte.' He looks like him.") Together they've created something that's a Ridley Scott movie through and through. "If you want to really understand Napoleon, then you should probably do your own studying and reading," Phoenix tells Empire. "Because if you see this film, it's this experience told through Ridley's eyes. It's just such a complex world. I mean, it's so f**king complex. What we were after was something that would capture the feeling of this man." Bring on the psychological warfare.

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/ridley-scott-napoleon-psyche-emperor-exclusive-image/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 29, 2023, 02:26:05 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 29, 2023, 01:33:57 PMImpressive half-ornamentation

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jul 29, 2023, 02:38:31 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 29, 2023, 02:41:35 PM
Yeah, after some frantic research, I found that his sword is actually Kosher.

French Cavalry Sabre, Napoleonic era:

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EDIT @Ingwar @kwisatz

Actually that sword that Joachim Phoenix is holding is from the "Garde Impériale", The Imperial Guard. Note writing on the blade.

It's was an elite unit comprised of Napoleon's best and most experienced soldiers. Modeled after the Praetorian Guard (remember Nap's infatuation with all things ancient Rome) they not only served as his bodyguards but also as his tactical reserve. Often refered to as "The immortals" they were considered invincible and undefeated.

Typically in a battle they would hang back and not enter the fight. They were only used in emergencies and to deliver decisive tactical strokes at the appropriate time.

At Waterloo they were ordered to engage the British lines after things started going pear shaped for Boney.

They were turned into mince meat. Once the invincible "immortals" started retreating, Napoleon's whole army completely disintegrated and the rest is history.


Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 29, 2023, 03:32:31 PM
Asche auf mein Haupt! for doubting the Sir
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 29, 2023, 06:46:57 PM
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Post by: KiramidHead on Jul 29, 2023, 07:09:36 PM
I feel like referring to Napoleon as a monster is definitely lacking in nuance.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Jul 29, 2023, 10:07:19 PM
Hmm I think the families he ruined while spilling blood all over Europe might think it is justified to call him a monster. He is not Hitler or Pol Pot level but still pretty evil imo
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Jul 31, 2023, 09:15:32 AM
I must say I do like the idea of Ridley 'unleashing hell'.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Jul 31, 2023, 12:46:08 PM
https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1685972384421937152?s=20
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 31, 2023, 03:26:44 PM
Yep, another recreation of a classical painting by Jacques-Louis David (who features in the film)

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Although Jacques-Louis David was present at the coronation, he included some people who weren't there and changed a few other things at the request of Napoleon. Jacques-Louis David can be seen in the full painting, in the gallery at the back.

Art History Professor @Kradan should write a thesis on Ridley Scott's use of classical paintings in his films.




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Another new still from Empire Magazine:

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Quote from: VarietyRidley Scott Says Joaquin Phoenix Told Him 'I Don't Know What to Do' Two Weeks Before 'Napoleon' Shoot, So They Spent 10 Days 'Talking Scene by Scene'

Ridley Scott told Empire magazine that Joaquin Phoenix felt clueless two weeks before cameras were set to roll on their historical epic "Napoleon." The film marks a long-in-the-works reunion between the director and the Oscar-winning actor, who worked together over two decades ago on "Gladiator." Phoenix is headlining the film as the French emperor opposite Venessa Kirby as his wife, Joséphine de Beauharnais.

"He'll come in, and you're f**king two weeks' out, and he'll say, 'I don't know what to do,'" Scott said about Phoenix. "I'll say, 'What?!' 'I don't know what to do.' I said, 'Come in, sit down.' We sat for 10 days, all day, talking scene by scene. In a sense, we rehearsed. Absolutely detail by detail."

Scott went on to call Phoenix "the best player of damaged goods," which is why he was so perfect to cast as Napoleon. The actor said it wasn't too tough of a decision to sign up for another film directed by Scott.

"The truth is, there was just a very nostalgic idea of working with Ridley again," Phoenix said. "I had such an incredible experience working with Ridley on 'Gladiator,' and I was so young. It was my first big production. I really yearned for that experience again, or something similar. He's approached me about other things in the past, but nothing that felt like it would be as demanding for both of us. And so I really liked the idea of jumping into something with Ridley that was going to be that."

Scott previously revealed to Empire that casting Phoenix as Napoleon resulted in the script being entirely rewritten to make the actor more comfortable. The "Napoleon" script was penned by David Scarpa, who also wrote the screenplay for the Scott-directed "All the Money in the World."

"Joaquin is about as far from conventional as you can get," Scott said. "Not deliberately, but out of intuition. That's what makes him tick. If something bothers him, he'll let you know. He made ['Napoleon'] special by constantly questioning."

"With Joaquin, we can rewrite the film because he's uncomfortable. And that kind of happened with 'Napoleon,'" the director continued. "We unpicked the film to help him focus on who Bonaparte was. I had to respect that, because what was being said was incredibly constructive. It made it all grow bigger and better."

Apple and Sony are releasing "Napoleon" in theaters on Nov. 22.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Jul 31, 2023, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 31, 2023, 03:26:44 PMArt History Professor @Kradan should write a thesis on Ridley Scott's use of classical paintings in his films.

Sure, right after I'm done with my thesis about a group of graffiti artists from Kherson
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 01, 2023, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 31, 2023, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 31, 2023, 03:26:44 PMArt History Professor @Kradan should write a thesis on Ridley Scott's use of classical paintings in his films.

Sure, right after I'm done with my thesis about a group of graffiti artists from Kherson

You did that at university didn't you? Recreate classical paintings like The Last Supper using real people.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Aug 01, 2023, 02:37:37 PM
Oh, you remember that ? How sweet of you
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 01, 2023, 07:47:52 PM
Quote from: Empire MagazineNapoleon's Unscripted Slap Came From An Agreement To Go To Dark Places: 'We Always Wanted To Surprise Each Other', Says Vanessa Kirby.

Underneath all the battles, the blood, and that bicorne hat, Ridley Scott's Napoleon is actually about a relationship – and a deeply unhealthy one at that. Right from its inception, his film was intended to hinge on the French Emperor's tumultuous relationship with Joséphine de Beauharnais – a push-pull of power, lust, and twisted personal dynamics, as the pair both clash with and complement each other through their years together. In those roles, Scott has put together a powerhouse on-screen couple – the ever-uncompromising Joaquin Phoenix more than meeting his match in the formidable Vanessa Kirby.

Together, Phoenix and Kirby allowed each other to go to dark and unexpected places, to find spontaneity and life in historic material. And it delivers shocking moments – including one unscripted interaction during their (historical spoiler alert!) divorce scene, where Phoenix's Napoleon slaps Kirby's Joséphine. "We were using the real words from their divorce in the church," explains Kirby. "When that happens, you can faithfully go through an archival re-enactment of it and read out the lines and then go home. But we always wanted to surprise each other." To do just that, the pair decided to create a space where they could be free to go wherever felt right in the moment. "It's the greatest thing when you have a creative partner and you say, 'Right, everything's safe. I'm with you. And we're gonna go to the dark places together'," Kirby explains.

For Phoenix, the boundaries were clear on what he and Kirby might expect from one another when those unplanned moments arose. "She said, 'Look, whatever you feel, you can do.' I said, 'Same thing with you.' She said, 'You can slap me, you can grab me, you can pull me, you can kiss me, whatever it is'," he recalls. "So we had this agreement that we were going to surprise each other and try and create moments that weren't there, because both of us wanted to avoid the cliché of the period drama. And by that I mean moments that are well-orchestrated and designed."

The results, they hope, create some kind of portrait of Napoleon and Joséphine's chaotic relationship, in all its volatility, pain, and passion. "We never really got to the bottom of it," says Phoenix. "I don't know if you can call it love. I don't know what it was. But we encouraged each other, demanded of each other, to challenge ourselves to shock each other in moments. And that's what came out of that, that moment." That's the approach when it comes to Napoleon all around: expect the unexpected.

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/napoleon-unscripted-slap-wanted-to-surprise-each-other-vanessa-kirby-exclusive/




Quote from: Kradan on Aug 01, 2023, 02:37:37 PMOh, you remember that ? How sweet of you

We can remember it for you wholesale, sir.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Aug 01, 2023, 09:21:06 PM
I hope it's going to be intense.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Aug 02, 2023, 01:39:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Luiz_Fernando_J/status/1686697588886532096?s=20
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 02, 2023, 02:41:59 PM
Nice, here's the image in case Xitter breaks again:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 03, 2023, 02:40:40 PM
New stills from Empire Magazine:

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This shot I recognise as being filmed in the captain's day cabin aboard the HMS Victory (Nelson's Flagship) in Portsmouth:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Aug 03, 2023, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 03, 2023, 02:40:40 PMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2m_mHQXsAAJuZm?format=jpg&name=large

I think this depicting that famous scene in Waterloo where Rod Steiger had to be filmed from the shoulders up whilst pretending to ride a horse  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Aug 03, 2023, 10:09:05 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 03, 2023, 02:40:40 PMNew stills from Empire Magazine:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2m_m-3WQAAvjWa?format=jpg&name=medium

Fake snow, Scott's signature :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 04, 2023, 07:50:24 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 03, 2023, 10:09:05 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 03, 2023, 02:40:40 PMNew stills from Empire Magazine:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2m_m-3WQAAvjWa?format=jpg&name=medium

Fake snow, Scott's signature :)

Also wearing his trademark (TM) pufferjacket.  ;D
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 04, 2023, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 04, 2023, 07:50:24 AMAlso wearing his trademark (TM) pufferjacket.  ;D

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"Now Noomi, what if Napoleon was an Engineer?"
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 05, 2023, 11:53:19 AM
Riddles going off on another of his rather bizarre tangents:

Quote from: Slash FilmRidley Scott Cut Napoleon's Bloody Battle With Hemorrhoids: 'Too Distracting'

Napoleon Bonaparte fanatics, I have some very bad news for you. And for you non-fanatics, I've got some delicate explaining to do.

As you hopefully learned in school, Napoleon was one of the greatest military strategists in world history. He scored decisive victories against the massive Russian and Austrian militaries at Austerlitz in 1805, and served as Emperor of the French twice for a combined 11 years. His brilliance has been analyzed in countless books and dramatized in many movies (from Sergei Bondarchuk's masterful "War and Peace" to Stephen Herek's equally masterful "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure").

He was a fascinating man, and, ultimately, hubristic. He suffered a severe setback when he invaded Russia in 1812 (returning to France with 6,000 men after leaving with 450,000), and famously endured his final comeuppance at Waterloo, which resulted in the British exiling him to the island of Saint Helena where he died at the age of 51.

His life will once again be explored on the big screen in Ridley Scott's forthcoming "Napoleon," which stars Joaquin Phoenix as the enigmatic general. For a biopic that purports to depict Napoleon's rise and fall, Scott's film runs a surprisingly brisk 158 minutes. Scott is, of course, famous for truncated theatrical releases (most notably "Kingdom of Heaven," which hit multiplexes missing an hour of essential narrative in 2005), but he's also more than earned the benefit of the doubt over his remarkable 46-year career.

Still, details about what's not in the movie are beginning to trickle out. And when I say "trickle," I mean ... well, if you're at all squeamish when it comes to rectal maladies, you might want to click your way out of this article.

Napoleon's problems really piled up at Waterloo

Hemorrhoids. They happen, and for folks who do a surfeit of sitting, they can get pretty gnarly. Truckers, writers, and horseback riders are especially susceptible to this accursed condition. And they apparently did to Napoleon's backside what he did to Austria.

Scott acknowledged this in an interview with Empire, and, in classic Scott fashion, discussed the subject with amusing bluntness. "Napoleon was a horseman, he suffered from piles," said the director. "That's varicose veins up your butt, right? I don't have them, but they're very, very painful, it ain't funny. It's like having a toothache up your butt. There's nothing you can do."

Over the years, some historians have speculated that Napoleon's throbbing tuchus cost him the battle of Waterloo. He was in such searing posterior pain that he couldn't summon his celebrated battlefield genius. Scott initially sought to depict this facet of Napoleon's final defeat, but thought better of it. Here's how he explained his thinking to Empire:

Quote"We sense history might have been different had Napoleon not had a very bad attack of piles on the day of Waterloo. You heard this one? Okay. So I had him at Waterloo, sitting on the loo, and it's pouring with rain outside, and he does his business. He gets up, looks in the loo, there is blood. Then he does the day in battle, sweating and in agony with the piles. David [Scarpa, the screenwriter] said, 'Isn't this rather undignified?' I said, 'Maybe, but it's accurate.' But we took it out of the movie because it became too distracting."

The excision of the hemorrhoid subplot will doubtlessly please some historians like Alasdair White, who believes the impact of this affliction was invented by butt-hurt Napoleon fanboys. I'm the furthest thing from an expert on this subject, but I tend to believe his physical discomfort might've been less of a factor than his arrogance and the simple fact that the French were outnumbered by the Seventh Coalition. He was due a spanking one way or another.


And yet I'm disappointed that we won't get to see Best Actor-winner Joaquin Phoenix endure a difficult bowel movement. It's a scene that could very well belong in the scatalogical pantheon with Jeff Daniels' porcelain punishment in "Dumb and Dumber" and Christopher Meloni's spandex-clad mishap in "They Came Together." But I'll leave you with this encouraging thought: Scott might be known for slashing material out of his theatrical cuts, but he's just as famous for restoring this footage with his director's cuts.

When you're dealing with a Ridley Scott film, sooner or later, it all comes out in the end.



Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 06, 2023, 05:27:40 PM
Lol, Scott in hot water again:

Quote from: The TelegraphLetting Napoleon slap Josephine 'is romanticising abuse', film warned
New Ridley Scott picture shows volatile nature of French emperor's relationship with his wife, but campaigners worry it sends a bad message.

Women's groups have warned that depictions of Napoleon's relationship with Josephine in a spectacular new biopic could inadvertently glamourise domestic violence.

Sir Ridley Scott's Napoleon includes scenes in which the French emperor slaps his wife over their divorce.

The film is understood to depict the volatile, sometimes violent relationship between the couple, played by Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby.

But campaigners have warned that the glamorous historical setting and costume drama format of Napoleon could trivialise what is an abusive relationship.

In an interview with Empire magazine Phoenix said that ahead of shooting the divorce scene, Kirby said to him: "You can slap me, you can grab me, you can pull me, you can kiss me, whatever it is."

He added: "Both of us wanted to avoid the cliché of period drama, and by that I mean moments that are well-orchestrated and designed.

"We are trying to capture this mercurial , strange relationship that they had. There was something really volatile and dangerous about their interactions."

Kirby, who played Princess Margaret in the first two seasons of The Crown, says: "Right from early on, we wanted to be able to go to any places. Nothing is really off-limits, as long as it's true to their natures."

However, people who work with victims of domestic violence have said that even with consent between two actors to make a scene "authentic", there is a danger of making abuse appear acceptable and even romantic when depicted in a film about a famous couple in a historical setting.

A spokeswoman for Women's Aid told The Telegraph: "While the portrayal of domestic abuse and violence in cinema and on TV can generate greater awareness and discussion of the topic, it is vital that this is handled responsibly, with great awareness of the experience of survivors and with the sole purpose of educating the viewer – not romanticising abuse.

"While this may have been a consensual part of the acting process in this case, descriptions like these could benefit from being more measured and the fact that domestic abuse and violence are completely intolerable in our society made explicitly clear."

Kirby says she came to feel passionately about the way Josephine – who was born in Martinique, in the French Antilles in 1763 and had been married once before her wedding to Napoleon in 1796 – has been sidelined by history.

She told Empire: "As I came to learn, there are thousands of books on Napoleon and only about 60 on Josephine. That stayed with me. Her life is so astonishing. Every year of it, in different ways.

"I love taking on women that you don't know much about, that have led really cool lives."

As part of her preparation for the role Kirby visited Josephine's tomb, "in the back of a tiny church, way outside Paris. And then to come into Paris and see his [Napoleon's], and it's this huge monument. I feel so passionate on her behalf."

In the interview Scott, who directed Napoleon mostly in England and Malta, said he did not think the slap in the divorce scene had been planned by the two actors.

"He just f---ing slapped her. She didn't know it was coming either, The whole room went [sharp intake of breath]. And you know, what could have been a boring scene suddenly had magic."

In other news, human rights groups say that the film romanticizes sending tens of thousands of young men to their graves.
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Post by: Ingwar on Aug 06, 2023, 09:35:13 PM
Is this fore real? What kind of world we're living right now?

I wonder what these "genius" people have to say about Tarantino movies.
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Post by: Kradan on Aug 07, 2023, 05:27:38 AM
Eh, they should just cut everything in between him slapping her and him being exiled to St. Helen island. You can even fade to black with "BOINK Napoleon was sent to horny jail lulz" . To properly show the audience what price a man must pay for domestic abuse
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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 07, 2023, 08:46:00 AM
All the nutter's should just continue making a racket, no such thing as bad publicity.

And we know Riddles always gets off:

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Post by: Kradan on Aug 07, 2023, 09:00:14 AM
Man, do I love that logo
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Post by: PullthePlug on Aug 07, 2023, 09:39:19 AM
I wondered how long it would take The Telegraph to write an article about this haha.

Chris Purchase is listed on IMDB as the as the Behind the Scenes director for Napoleon, hopefully we'll get to see some of that ahead of the release.
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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 07, 2023, 10:20:26 AM
Interesting... thought Ridley's grand daughter, Cuba Tornado Scott was going to do that, since she made The Last Duel documentary.

Ridley is nepotic like that.   ;D
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Post by: PullthePlug on Aug 07, 2023, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 07, 2023, 10:20:26 AMInteresting... thought Ridley's grand daughter, Cuba Tornado Scott was going to do that, since she made The Last Duel documentary.

Ridley is nepotic like that.   ;D

That name alone deserves an Oscar.

IMDB can be unreliable at times, but I recognised Chris Purchase from his work on Elton John documentaries. Maybe Ridley felt Napoleon Bonaparte and Elton John were kindred spirits lol
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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 08, 2023, 04:35:33 PM
BTS shot of the HMS Victory at Portsmouth:

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According to The King's Laughton Unit, it will represent the HMS Bellerophon in the film. The Bellerophon was the ship that transported Napoleon first to Plymouth harbour in England and then on to exile on St. Helena island in the South Atlantic Ocean.

Looking at the bts still that was shot aboard the Victory, the guy on the left should historically be Rear-Admiral Sir Frederick Lewis Maitland to whom Napoleon surrendered. Though other sources on the internet now reckon that it is actually the legendary Arthur Wellesley, The Duke of Wellington (of Waterloo fame) in that shot. Which is possible considering his trademark blue coat plus the fact that he has a red shirt and spurs on his boots which no admiral would wear. Historically, Napoleon and the Duke never met and only fought against each other once at Waterloo. What do you guys reckon?

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Post by: Ingwar on Aug 08, 2023, 08:31:30 PM
My guess is Maitland.

QuoteAboard the Bellerophon
Maitland was given command of the 58-gun HMS Goliath between 1813 and 1814, and was sent aboard her to the Halifax and West Indian stations. He was appointed to the 98-gun HMS Boyne in November 1814 and ordered to sail to North America. Maitland spent the early part of 1815 gathering a fleet of transports and merchants in Cork harbour in preparation for crossing the Atlantic, but found himself unable to set sail due to a succession of strong westerly winds. Before he could sail, news reached England of Napoleon's escape from Elba and his return as Emperor of the French. Maitland's orders were immediately countermanded, and he was moved to the 74-gun HMS Bellerophon. He sailed aboard her from Plymouth on 24 May, under the orders of Sir Henry Hotham. The Bellerophon was stationed off Rochefort in the Bay of Biscay, watching the French warships in the harbour. Whilst the Bellerophon was off Rochefort, Napoleon was defeated at the Battle of Waterloo. News of this reached Maitland on 28 June, followed by a letter from Bordeaux that warned him that Napoleon was planning an escape to America from the French Atlantic coast, probably from Bordeaux. Maitland believed that Rochefort was the more likely point of escape, but took the precaution of sending two smaller craft to cover other ports, one to Bordeaux, and another to Arcachon. He kept the Bellerophon herself off Rochefort. Hotham was aboard HMS Superb covering Quiberon Bay, whilst a string of British frigates, corvettes, and brigs were watching all along the coast. Hotham told Maitland that should he intercept Bonaparte, he was to take the former emperor to England.

Maitland and Napoleon
Maitland's instincts proved correct, and Napoleon arrived at Rochefort in early July. By this time, he was in an untenable position. He could no longer remain in France without risking arrest; indeed, Prussian troops had orders to capture him dead or alive. However, the Bellerophon and the rest of Hotham's fleet were blocking every port. He therefore authorised the opening of negotiations with Maitland. The negotiations opened on 10 July. Maitland refused to allow Napoleon to sail for America, but offered to take him to England instead. The negotiations went on for four days, but eventually Napoleon acquiesced. He surrendered to Maitland on 15 July and embarked the Bellerophon with his staff and servants. Maitland placed his cabin at the former emperor's disposal and sailed the Bellerophon to England. She reached Torbay on 24 July, but was ordered to Plymouth, whilst a decision was made by the government over Bonaparte's fate. She sailed again on 4 August and whilst off Berry Head on 7 August, Napoleon and his staff were removed to HMS Northumberland, which conveyed him to his final exile on Saint Helena. Maitland later wrote a detailed Narrative of Bonaparte's time on the Bellerophon, which he subsequently published in 1826.

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Napoleon and his officers aboard the Bellerophon

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Frederick_Lewis_Maitland_(Royal_Navy_officer)

I think he's wearing the same green uniform while eating aboard.
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 09, 2023, 08:10:03 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 08, 2023, 08:31:30 PMMy guess is Maitland.

Yeah, but why the red uniform, blue cloak and horse spurs?

It's like the, "is Ben Affleck playing King Charles or Count Pierre (or both rolled into one)" question again.


Ridley is a known mangler of history.

Historical advisor: "Wellington never met Napoleon."

Scott: "He bloody well did now!"  ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Aug 09, 2023, 01:21:29 PM
Mate, it's only my guess based upon sheer intuition. My knowledge on the topic from scale 1 to 10 is near ... zero :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 09, 2023, 07:55:54 PM
The Sir just can't stay out of trouble:

Quote from: The TimesNapoleon film row as Ridley Scott likens emperor to Hitler and Stalin
Frenchman's admirers say the comparison is unsuitable and believe director's stance has been misguided by inept Anglo-Saxon historians.

In an interview about his upcoming biopic Ridley Scott said "I compare [Napoleon] with Alexander the Great, Adolf Hitler, Stalin."

Sir Ridley Scott, the British film director, is facing criticism in France for comparing Napoleon Bonaparte to Hitler and Stalin while promoting his forthcoming biopic.

His film, Napoleon, which stars Joaquin Phoenix as the soldier who himself proclaimed emperor of France, is due out in November but is already stimulating debate.

Napoleon's admirers say the comparison is inappropriate and believe that Scott has been influenced by inept Anglo-Saxon historians.

Focusing on the rise to power of the French emperor, Scott's movie will come out in November and features Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon.

There was quite a big row on twitter  by French users about those comparisons after the Empire article came out.
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Post by: Ingwar on Aug 09, 2023, 08:21:14 PM
Bloody Anglo-Saxons historians! ;D
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 10, 2023, 04:25:40 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 09, 2023, 07:55:54 PMThe Sir just can't stay out of trouble:

Quote from: The TimesNapoleon film row as Ridley Scott likens emperor to Hitler and Stalin
Frenchman's admirers say the comparison is unsuitable and believe director's stance has been misguided by inept Anglo-Saxon historians.

In an interview about his upcoming biopic Ridley Scott said "I compare [Napoleon] with Alexander the Great, Adolf Hitler, Stalin."

Sir Ridley Scott, the British film director, is facing criticism in France for comparing Napoleon Bonaparte to Hitler and Stalin while promoting his forthcoming biopic.

His film, Napoleon, which stars Joaquin Phoenix as the soldier who himself proclaimed emperor of France, is due out in November but is already stimulating debate.

Napoleon's admirers say the comparison is inappropriate and believe that Scott has been influenced by inept Anglo-Saxon historians.

Focusing on the rise to power of the French emperor, Scott's movie will come out in November and features Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon.

There was quite a big row on twitter  by French users about those comparisons after the Empire article came out.


https://twitter.com/Orgetorix/status/1689350701846077440
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 10, 2023, 09:35:00 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 09, 2023, 08:21:14 PMBloody Anglo-Saxons historians! ;D

Well, history is written by the winners as they say.

I vaguely remember Napoleon as a bit of a bogeyman in our history school textbooks. But those same textbooks also conveniently omitted British atrocities like the brutal bombardment of Copenhagen in 1807. A neutral city full of women and children that did no harm to Britain other than refusing to give us their own ships.

Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews. Napoleon created legislation to protect them. He created the civil code that ensured equality for all men under the law, help ended feudalism and ended the Inquisition.

But he was also a pretty ruthless and insatiable warlord with an ego that makes Elon Musk look like a shy guy with some serious low self-esteem issues.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Aug 10, 2023, 10:23:50 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 10, 2023, 09:35:00 AMBut he was also a pretty ruthless and insatiable warlord with an ego that makes Elon Musk look like a shy guy with some serious low self-esteem issues.

 :o
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 10, 2023, 12:03:44 PM
I mean, the guy declared and crowned himself "Emperor", right?

He also came up with all these hot takes, and people were often uncertain whether he was being serious or just trolling.

Napoleon Bonaparte — 'Women are nothing but machines for producing children.'

Imagine if they had twitter back then...  :laugh:

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Post by: nanison on Aug 10, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
He was a bad guy. Countless conquered Europeans all fled their homes afraid of being enlisted in the French army.  Many cut of fingers and even hands to avoid having to go to war in russia or some other far away country.

I'm pretty strict, I think Truman is a war criminal as well for killing hundreds of thousands civilians in cold blood, Churchill was no better for laying waste to German cities. The Bush government was truly evil as well but since they're Americans and boss of the world they got away with it. The NATO bombing in Serbia deliberately killing hundreds of Serbs was a cowardly act as well. The Belgians completely dehumanizing the Congolese people for several decades is pure horror. There are so many countries and leaders who got away with the most horrible acts, especially Western countries often get no punishment. I think they still feel entitled and more powerful and superior than most other countries/regimes.

Honestly I have no idea how all these people (many of whom are being celebrated) were able to sleep at night.
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Post by: Ingwar on Aug 10, 2023, 02:56:13 PM
How? It's quite simple. Most of them are psychopaths/sociopaths, people without mortals and ethics and so on. Ask yourself a question: who wants to be politician?
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Post by: Kradan on Aug 10, 2023, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 10, 2023, 12:03:44 PMImagine if they had twitter back then...  :laugh:

Imagine if Bonnie was in charge ?
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 15, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
https://twitter.com/SonyPictures/status/1691494967242371098
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Post by: PullthePlug on Aug 16, 2023, 10:49:34 AM
Nice! I must say I am not a fan of the silver font on the blue background.  ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 16, 2023, 03:07:23 PM
https://twitter.com/AppleFilms/status/1691523607590236161

Ultima Ratio Regime.

One of Napoleon's "beautiful daughters". A twelve pounder unless I'm very much mistaken:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 21, 2023, 09:40:22 AM
QuoteAhead of his new epic, with Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon, Scott has caused anger with his comments about his lead character, comparing him to Hitler and Stalin. What's the truth of the matter, asks Neil Armstrong.

It was the opening of his campaign, and the British veteran unleashed a salvo of shots at the French lines. That is to say, director Ridley Scott was promoting his latest film, due to be released in November.

Napoleon promises to be an epic account of the rise of the emperor, played by Joaquin Phoenix, focusing on his volatile relationship with his first wife Joséphine (Vanessa Kirby).

And while there's months to go before we see the end result, conversation has started swirling around the biopic in earnest, thanks to comments Scott has made in an interview with film magazine Empire. "I compare [Napoleon] with Alexander the Great, Adolf Hitler, Stalin. Listen, he's got a lot of bad shit under his belt," he declared, explaining his take on the character.

Quoi? Arrête! The French wasted no time in returning fire and correcting the impudent Brit. "Hitler and Stalin built nothing and only wrought destruction," Pierre Branda, academic director of the Fondation Napoléon, told The Telegraph. "Napoleon built things that are still in place today." Thierry Lentz of the Fondation Napoléon said in the same piece: "Napoleon did not destroy either France or Europe. His legacy was subsequently celebrated, embraced and expanded on." So what is the truth of the matter – and does Scott have a leg to stand on?

Napoleon, a brilliant military commander, seized power in 1799 during a period of political instability in France following the French Revolution. Admirers say he made France a more meritocratic country than it had been under the pre-revolutionary ancien régime. He centralised the government, reorganised banking, overhauled education and instituted the Napoleonic code, which transformed the legal system and served as a model for many other countries.

But he also waged a series of bloody wars across Europe, establishing an empire that, at its height, stretched from the Iberian Peninsula to Moscow. By 1812, the only areas of Europe free from his control, by direct rule or puppet rule or through alliance, were Britain, Portugal, Sweden and the Ottoman Empire. He was finally defeated in 1815 by an alliance of nations led by Britain in the Battle of Waterloo.

Napoleon and the Napoleonic Wars loomed large in the minds of British people of the period and beyond. Cartoonists were obsessed with him. He is in the background of Jane Austen's novels. Pride and Prejudice, which was published in 1813, for example, features the militia that was to repel the expected invasion by Napoleon. Charlotte Brontë owned a fragment of Napoleon's original coffin, given to her by her tutor in Brussels. Arthur Conan Doyle's great detective Sherlock Holmes dubs villain Professor Moriarty "the Napoleon of crime". In George Orwell's Animal Farm, published in 1945, the pig who becomes a dictator is called Napoleon. But is calling Napoleon a dictator – and equating him with other infamous dictators – really fair?

The differing views of him

Philip Dwyer, professor of history at the University of Newcastle, Australia, and the author of a three-volume biography of Napoleon, doesn't think so. "You can have a debate about whether Napoleon was a tyrant or not – I'd be leaning towards the tyrant – but he was certainly no Hitler or Stalin, two authoritarian dictators who brutally repressed their own people, resulting in millions of deaths."

Some have even argued that the Empire was a 'police state' because there was a complex system of secret informers keeping tabs on public opinion," he continues. "But very few people – a number of aristocrats more or less involved in plots to overthrow the regime, a couple of journalists – were actually executed by Napoleon for their opposition. If I was going to compare Napoleon to anyone, then I would go back in history to Louis XIV, an absolute monarch who waged unnecessary wars costing thousands of lives.

"So too Napoleon waged wars  – again debatable whether they were necessary or not – costing the lives of millions of people, although we don't know how many civilians were killed directly or indirectly as a result of the wars."

French journalist and Telegraph columnist Anne-Elisabeth Moutet agrees that Napoleon is not comparable to Hitler or Stalin. "He [Napoleon] did not have concentration camps," she tells BBC Culture. "He did not single out minorities for massacre. Yes, there were intrusive political police but ordinary people could live as they liked and say what they wanted."

Moutet says that the French view Napoleon principally as a reformer.

"He had a remarkable mind and was the instigator of a body of laws and institutions that we still live by today.

"We like to think – and it's not entirely false – that lots of people were much happier being ruled by the French than living under whatever feudal laws they had had."

However Charles Esdaile, Professor Emeritus of History at the University of Liverpool and the author of several books on Napoleon including Napoleon's Wars: An International History 1803-15, has a different view.

"I see Napoleon as a warlord," he says. "A man who was driven by personal ambition and who was absolutely ruthless. A man who had a very clear vision of the sort of France he needed to construct and, indeed, the sort of Europe he needed to construct, to support his war machine. Any idea that he was some sort of liberator, some sort of a man of the future – essentially this is all part of the Napoleonic legend.

The Napoleonic propaganda machine was a very, very powerful tool in the course of the Empire and churned out a version of his wars in which much of the fault was down to perfidious Albion," he adds. "It wasn't France at all – it was everybody making war against France. This powerful Napoleonic legend continues to operate to this day. Napoleon is a living presence. He continues to operate from beyond the grave. He continues to mould the way in which we see him."

But Esdaile also rejects the Hitler and Stalin comparisons.

"Napoleon had many faults and was a loathsome individual but the racial ideology that underpinned the Nazi regime simply wasn't there," he says. "Napoleon is not guilty of genocide. Napoleon doesn't engage in wholesale purges. In fairness to Napoleon, the number of political prisoners in the course of his reign is relatively limited. To compare him with Hitler and Stalin is a historical nonsense."

Of course, Ridley Scott, a titan of the film industry, director of Blade Runner, Gladiator, Thelma and Louise, Alien and many others, has been in the business long enough to know how to promote a movie. (Napoleon is a return to the milieu of his first feature, The Duellists, released more than four decades ago.) It's entirely possible he knew the Hitler and Stalin remarks would generate publicity and that is why he made them.

So will Esdaile be going to see Napoleon when it is released?

"I suppose I'm going to have to but I know it can't be any good because Rod Steiger is not playing Napoleon," he jokes. "There is so much wrong with the 1970 film Waterloo but Steiger's performance as Napoleon is just outstanding."




Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 22, 2023, 03:09:13 PM
New character poster for Vanessa Kirby as Josephine:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 25, 2023, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: Esquire MagazineAre We Entering a New Golden Age of Historical Epics?
With a Napoleon biopic and Gladiator sequel on the horizon, there's clearly an appetite for Big Event Movies.


Now that the radioactive fallout from Oppenheimer's detonation is starting to settle, and the mushroom cloud that was Barbenheimer has drifted away on the breeze, it's a bit easier to see the whole thing for what it was. Christopher Nolan has made a good film, and loads of people went to see it at the cinema, and so far it's made north of $725 million on a $100 million budget. Happy days, whichever way you slice it.

Leave aside the typically Nolanesque time-scrambling narratives and Oppenheimer is, in a lot of ways, a blast from the past. It's a war story packed with stars, led by a prestige director and hotly tipped for awards season. You've seen a hundred of 'em. They're BBC4 fodder. Yet Oppenheimer – in a quite Nolan-y twist – might also be the future too.

Oppenheimer hasn't started a trend, but it's the first of a run of historical epics which could turn out to be blockbusters like it has become. Ridley Scott continues his ridiculously productive eighties with a biopic of Napoleon Bonaparte, starring Joaquin Phoenix as the general and Vanessa Kirby as his wife Joséphine. When it was announced Scott said he'd always been fascinated by the French emperor. "He came out of nowhere to rule everything – but all the while he was waging a romantic war with his adulterous wife Joséphine," Scott said. "He conquered the world to try to win her love, and when he couldn't, he conquered it to destroy her, and destroyed himself in the process."

He's also working on Gladiator 2 with (Esquire's newest cover star) Paul Mescal and Pedro Pascal, which should be gigantic. They're all about different times and different ideas, and their attitudes toward actual history range from painstakingly researched to a broad feeling for vibes. And, really, the historical epic never went away. But it feels like it's back as one of the pillars of Big Event Movies after some time gathering dust in the archives.

There's a distinction here between a historical epic and a period drama. A period drama plops a story and characters into a time and place in a few specific bits of the past: the whole of the 20th century is up for grabs, plus the grottier bits of the nineteenth, the fancier bits of the early 18th, and Shakespearean London. A historical epic is less about using a time and place as a setting and more about using it as an engine for the story. Gladiator might be fictional, but it's the heaving tides of history that take Maximus Decimus Meridius from the front lines of the war against Germanic tribes to North Africa and back to Rome.

But more than anything, it's about the size of the ideas. Period dramas tend to be drawn on a smaller scale while historical epics reach for something timeless and gigantic. For instance: Oppenheimer broke apart the fundamental matter of the universe and made it possible for humanity to destroy itself; Pearl Harbor was more interested in blowing things up. One is an epic, the other is Pearl Harbor.

We're in the middle of one of the occasional booms in historical movies. Last year there was The Woman King and All Quiet on the Western Front, both of which made their mark – the latter won seven Baftas including Best Film – but along with musicals they're a type of movie that have been popular as long as there's been movies.

The late Twenties and Thirties were a golden age: between 1929 and 1939, six of the 10 Best Picture Oscar winners were historical epics. They were big through the early Sixties too: the Elizabeth Taylor-Richard Burton Cleopatra bombed but was a massive story, while Ben-Hur, Spartacus, El Cid and Lawrence of Arabia were huge.

You can see the appeal for filmmakers and studios: some of these stories are so embedded within the culture that everyone roughly knows what they're getting themselves into beforehand. Making a movie about Napoleon – or Hitler, or Henry VIII, or Helen of Troy – makes marketing a breeze. It's the historical equivalent of making another Expendables. You know where you are.

So why are they back now? Well, on one level, they might not actually be back. This might be two Ridley Scott films and a Chris Nolan film landing in the same 18-month period, to the power of a one-off grassroots cross-promotional meme-storm. This isn't like the boom in biopics about products and brands. It's not like every streamer is going to be able to join the rush by running to one of Britain's A-list directors and getting them to knock together a biopic of Charlemagne.

I think there's certainly something to the excitement which Oppenheimer, Napoleon and Gladiator 2 have generated though. They're all likely to be very serious films with designs on big awards, and though the stock of historical movies goes up and down it's rare that there's a year when not a single one is nominated for the Best Picture Oscar – it was 2009 last time that happened. But none of those movies challenged the top 10 of the biggest grossing movies in their years. You've got to go back to The Last Samurai in 2003 for the last historical movie to make the global top 10. As it stands, Oppenheimer is fourth in the 2023 list.

Oppenheimer strikes a noticeably grown-up tone for a Big Event Movie to take after a good 15 years where most of the Big Event Movies have either been from Marvel or the world of Avatar. In fact, movies like Oppenheimer are the exact opposite of the huge hits we've gradually become blasé about. Not every movie can be an event, but as the various multiverses unravel, there's hope in the fact that stories told inventively by skilled directors have shown they can get people buying cinema tickets and talking about movies. We're not looking at a chain reaction here, but a spark which might catch light.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Aug 26, 2023, 01:24:41 AM
Might be part of the tent-pole phenomenon, calling for more spectacle. Meanwhile, more can be churned out faster using computer graphics, virtual sets, etc. They can probably even cut down costs considerably by using the same audio and video libraries to "skin" multiple shows.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 26, 2023, 01:08:51 PM
Busy reading:

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Quite an easy and gripping read as most historical biographies can be rather tedious affairs.

Reasonably neutral stance on Napoleon, concentrating on facts rather than the often seen, slander or hero-worship extremes.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 29, 2023, 07:47:01 AM
Quote from: World of Reel'Napoleon': Ridley Scott Has A "Fantastic" Four and a Half Hour Cut He'd Like to Release

Ridley Scott's "Napoleon" hasn't even been released yet, but its filmmaker is already banging the drums for his original director's cut to get released.

Speaking to Empire Magazine, Scott says he has a "fantastic" cut of "Napoleon" that clocks in at 270 minutes and which further fleshes out Vanessa Kirby's performance as Joséphine:

Napoleon' is almost three hours long, although Scott has a "fantastic" near four-and-a-half-hour cut, which features more of Joséphine's life before she meets Napoleon. He'd love Apple (who funded the film) to eventually screen it. But what they have now is hardly slight. "It's an astonishing story," Phoenix says of Napoleon's life. "Hopefully we captured some of the most interesting moments." Even without the piles.

"Napoleon" has a theatrical runtime of 157 minutes, it's already been MPA rated so that will likely not change. However ... cue in #ReleaseTheScottCut hashtags. The cut Scott talks about above is over an hour longer.

Apple clearly has high hopes for the film. They've decided to release it during the thick of awards season on November 22nd. Something does have to be said about that.

"Napoleon" has been "Rated R" for strong violence, some grisly images, sexual content and brief language. Based on what I've heard, it's a bloody and gruelling epic that has this incredibly eccentric performance from Joaquin Phoenix.

Produced and financed by Apple, Scott's epic reunites the filmmaker with Phoenix as the European conquering emperor. Scott is 85-years-old, but this is one of the most ambitious films of his career. It is said to tackle Napoleon's world-conquering theatrics, not to mention his frosty relationship with wife Joséphine (Vanessa Kirby).

Scott is no stranger to "Director's Cuts." We all know about the multiple "Blade Runner" cuts. Also, his Crusades epic, "Kingdom of Heaven," was originally released in the summer of 2005 to negative reviews which led to Scott adding more than an hour's worth of deleted footage. The result? More fully fleshed-out characters, plot holes no longer visible and action sequences which could now breathe and sing in effective fashion.

Is the same story again happening with "Napoleon"?

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/8/28/11lnuawr0pyf8y4psba4uxk4te81w9

#ReleaseTheScottCut
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Aug 29, 2023, 07:36:54 PM
Who writes these articles? The film is nearly 3 hours long and in the next paragraph it is 157min long which is about 23 min shorten than what is stated in the first sentence.

Either way a 4,5 hour cut seems suitably epic for a Napoleon biopic imo
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Aug 30, 2023, 02:11:17 AM
Should probably divide it into parts, similar to Bondarchuk's War and Peace.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Aug 30, 2023, 02:18:06 AM
I don't know if we're missing all that much by having less of Josephine's life before she meets Napoleon.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 30, 2023, 08:14:26 AM
It's not like her life was dull before. She was imprisoned, almost guillotined and then humped most of France's political elite before meeting Napoleon.  ;D


Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 04, 2023, 07:35:38 AM
Quote from: World of ReelRidley Scott's 'Napoleon' Might Be Delayed to 2024

A new report from Variety claims that Ridley Scott's "Napoleon" might delay its November release date to 2024.

"Napoleon" should be the next calendar shift at Sony, given its biopic casting of Joaquin Phoenix as the titular emperor. Without Phoenix to help on the promo side, the film could struggle to stand out among five other films set for the Thanksgiving window. Streaming partner Apple has yet to set its own date for the film, so it'll be best to figure out a new release plan sooner than later."

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/9/1/1t4t0z5dgckokkyqdqzrk3kvfgudj6

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 25, 2023, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 25, 2023, 01:50:05 AMJust look at Oppenheimer. It did spectacular at the box office as R rated movie without proper promotion. Moving Dune to March is nonsense. What's the point?

I wonder if Napoleon's release date is going to swift as well? Haven't seen any indications yet and it's now three months out from release.

Vanessa Kirby is British and Scott isn't busy with Gladiator so they at least would be able to participate in the press tour.

Also less competition at the box office for Napoleon with Dunc II removed from the November slot.



Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Sep 04, 2023, 07:40:05 AM
Yeah, I know  :-\
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: SiL on Sep 04, 2023, 07:42:22 AM
Kirby is a member of SAG-AFTRA from what I can tell, so she also can't do any promotional work on it.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 04, 2023, 07:59:36 AM
She's British, but I see she's won a Screen Actors Guild award, so she probably has dual British/US citizenship.

Deadline didn't mention her in their article though.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 04, 2023, 03:56:37 PM
Many of these kind of tweets popping up now:

https://twitter.com/filmstories/status/1698595758008680821

Possibly in response to all the rumours floating around, Sony has just tweeted the release date again:

https://twitter.com/SonyPicturesIRL/status/1698712671741223017
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 04, 2023, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 04, 2023, 07:42:22 AMKirby is a member of SAG-AFTRA from what I can tell, so she also can't do any promotional work on it.

Looks like she can. At least within the UK.

QuoteInternationally, SAG-AFTRA members are authorized to continue work in the United Kingdom under pre-established Equity collective bargaining agreements, as UK law criminalizes solidarity strikes.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: SiL on Sep 04, 2023, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 04, 2023, 07:59:36 AMShe's British, but I see she's won a Screen Actors Guild award, so she probably has dual British/US citizenship.
You don't need to be a US citizen to be a member of SAG-AFTRA. You just have to have worked on eligible productions (Kirby has worked on Mission: Impossible films, for example).

Florence Pugh is also British, Cilian Murphy is Irish, both had to leave the Oppenheimer Premiere.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Sep 04, 2023, 08:56:11 PM
Next winter? Bollocks. I'm ready for a revolution this November  :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Sep 05, 2023, 01:29:05 PM
I have a feeling we will see lots of 'recorded/written before the SAG-AFTRA strikes' (whether it truly was or not  ;D ).

If Kirby is able to get involved then perhaps Sony will really push the Josephine POV. 

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 12, 2023, 02:17:19 PM
https://twitter.com/totalfilm/status/1701536166145651061

Napoleon in Egypt:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 15, 2023, 02:33:44 PM
https://twitter.com/AppleFilms/status/1702691951684751673
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 17, 2023, 03:04:51 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 19, 2023, 02:46:50 PM
Better photo of the poster above. This poster hasn't been released online yet.

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Sep 19, 2023, 11:03:27 PM
https://twitter.com/SonyPictures/status/1704231386142396874
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 22, 2023, 03:09:35 PM
Some new footage!

https://twitter.com/SonyPicturesUK/status/1705160018150981762

Vive L'Empereur!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 24, 2023, 03:16:51 PM
https://twitter.com/AthenaMills2023/status/1705668418798514367

Heavy Roman Empire influences again:

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https://twitter.com/LadyOfAManor/status/1705544801796419600

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 26, 2023, 03:07:56 PM
https://twitter.com/EW/status/1706686588820901896
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 26, 2023, 04:25:18 PM
I figured Ridley always styled himself after Arthur Wellesley, better known as The Duke of Wellington who was ultimately Napoleon's nemises.

For the record, the Russians did what they do best and were always marching backwards as Napoleon's army advanced. They also employed a scorched earth policy like they are now doing in Ukraine when forced to fall back. The Russians burned down Moscow themselves. Napoleon tried to save it. The Kremlin survived largely because of his efforts.

Quote from: Entertainment WeeklyRidley Scott filmed Napoleon like a general: 'I plan it, in a funny kind of way, like a battle'
The filmmaker talks about filming Napoleon Bonaparte's invasion of Russia, as seen in EW's exclusive sneak peek.

It takes one to know one, they say. So, to make his new film about one of the most successful military generals in history, Napoleon director Ridley Scott had to become a bit of a general himself.

"I can read all the books in the world on him, but instead, because the film is such a large event, I rely on my very good team," Scott tells EW. "My team does marvelous military costumes like I've never seen before. The costumes are mind-blowing, and then I have a military expert for cause-and-effect battle sequences. That's all coordinated. I plan it, in a funny kind of way, a little bit like a battle."

Just as a military commander like Napoleon Bonaparte might coordinate a battle plan beforehand with his general staff, Scott needed to meet regularly with the heads of various departments in order to plan massive sequences... like, say, Napoleon's invasion of Russia, which you can glimpse in EW exclusive photos below

"When you do a film like this, you have to have all your department heads edge around the table regularly," Scott says. "We have meetings once a week, and we go page by page. Page one, I have a problem. What's the problem? And then on to page two. We fly through it like that because everybody's in the picture and the left hand always knows what the right hand is doing."

The new film stars Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon Bonaparte and Vanessa Kirby as wife Josephine. Scott wanted to make their romance the center of the movie, but still chronicle the highlights of Napoleon's extensive military career. Over the course of a single decade, the commander led a revolutionary French army against the other great powers of Europe, and succeeded for years — even bringing the Holy Roman Empire to an end after breaking their army at Austerlitz.

For all Napoleon's brilliance on the battlefield, he severely miscalculated his invasion of Russia. In these photos, you can see his arrival in Moscow — which was deserted when he arrived. Soon, it was burning.

"I don't think he was, in any shape or form, naive," Scott says. "He would have known very much what a Russian winter could do — and yet he went in a little late and stayed a little too long. And while he was in Moscow, he found the city was deserted. He wanted confrontation to see who could do what to who, but it was not what he expected. There wasn't much facing off on the battlefield, like there was at Waterloo. The Russians employed a very efficient group called the Cossacks who did a lot of hit-and-run continual harassment."

"What happened with the burning of Moscow," Scott continues, "was he became even more impressed by what the Russians would do to obviate a loss. In a way, they neutralized his victory."

After tearing across Europe for years, Napoleon's career finally came to an end on the remote island of Saint Helena, where he died at the relatively young age of 51. Scott, though, never wants his filmmaking struggle to end.

"These kinds of films are like climbing a mountain," Scott says. "At the ground level, the peak looks a long way off. But as you climb up the hill with your partners in this ridiculously challenging LEGO kit of information you're trying to put together, sometimes pieces don't fit and you're already at 20,000 feet. It's a continual day-by-day process, but that's why I do it. I love it."

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Sep 27, 2023, 09:26:02 AM
That last shot. Fire, smoke and snow.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 27, 2023, 11:02:25 AM
That Russian campaign was unbelievably brutal.

A few excerpts from Andrew Roberts' biography

Quote"The Russians don't know how to make either war or peace. They are a degenerate nation." - Napoleon

QuoteThe sheer size of Napoleon's army is hard to compute. He had over 1 million men under arms in 1812 which was larger than the entire population of Paris at the time. It was certainly the largest invasion force in the history of mankind to that time, and very much a multi-national one. Poles made up the largest single foreign contingent, but it also comprised Austrians, Prussians, Westphalians, Württembergers, Saxons, Bavarians, Swiss, Dutch, Illyrians, Dalmatians, Neapolitans, Croats, Romans, Piedmontese, Florentines, Hessians, Badeners, Spaniards and Portuguese.

Only about 25 000 men of the Grande Armèe's central force made it back to France.

QuoteAn average of 1,000 horses were to die for every day of the 175 days that the Grande Armée spent in Russia.

QuoteUp to 140,000 of Napoleon's soldiers died of disease in 1812, the majority of them from typhus but a significant number from dysentery and related illnesses.

QuoteHundreds killed themselves, recalled Lieutenant Karl von Suckow, a Mecklenburger serving with the Württemberg Guard, 'feeling no longer able to endure such hardship. Every day one heard isolated shots ring out in the woods near the road. Medicine had become almost unobtainable

QuoteGeneral von Scheler reported to his king that even as early as crossing the Vistula 'all regular food supply and orderly distribution ceased, and from there as far as Moscow not a pound of meat or bread, not a glass of brandy was taken through legal distribution or regular requisition'

QuoteThe army utterly lost its morale and its military organization. Soldiers no longer obeyed their officers; officers paid no regard to their generals; shattered regiments marched as best they could. Searching for food, they dispersed over the plain, burning and sacking everything in their way ... Tormented by hunger, they rushed on every horse as soon as it fell, and like famished wolves fought for the pieces. Meanwhile toes, fingers, noses, ears and sexual organs were lost to frostbite.

QuoteWith the thermometer dropping to -30ºC on November 7, and blizzards seemingly continuous, the retreat slowed to a crawl. Some 5,000 horses died in a matter of days. Men's breath turned to icicles when it left their mouths, their lips stuck together and their nostrils froze up. In an echo of the desert ophthalmia of the Egyptian campaign, men were afflicted with snow-blindness. Comradeship collapsed; men were charged a gold louis to sit by a fire, and declined to share any food or water; they ate the horses' forage, and drove wagons over men who had slipped in front of them.

QuoteThere were several well-documented instances of cannibalism; Kutuzov's British liaison officer Sir Robert Wilson saw that when groups of French were captured around a campfire, 'many in these groups were employed in peeling off with their fingers and making a repast of the charred flesh of their comrades' remains'.



Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Sep 27, 2023, 03:35:50 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 27, 2023, 05:15:31 PM
Nice, somehow missed that one. Probably battle of Austerlitz?

More new stills, marketing in full swing now:

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https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1706391151857766867
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 02, 2023, 02:45:33 PM
Lots of new footage and behind the scenes:

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 02, 2023, 03:30:49 PM
https://twitter.com/SonyPictures/status/1708859390592446507

70MM release!!!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 02, 2023, 03:31:49 PM
New stills:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 03, 2023, 01:15:57 PM
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 03, 2023, 02:51:09 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 03, 2023, 01:15:57 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neCm9ouUNqA

Got to laugh at how they colour graded the bts footage as well.  :laugh:

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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 02, 2023, 03:30:49 PM70MM release!!!

Pardon my ignorance, but how does 70mm work in this day and age? Obviously Ridley/Wolski shot in digital, so does the finished movie then get printed onto actual film and projected or is it merely a digital projection equivalent to 70mm film?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 03, 2023, 03:00:34 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 03, 2023, 02:51:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 02, 2023, 03:30:49 PM70MM release!!!

Pardon my ignorance, but how does 70mm work in this day and age? Obviously Ridley/Wolski shot in digital, so does the finished movie then get printed onto actual film and projected or is it merely a digital projection equivalent to 70mm film?

Usually 70MM (or 35MM when that's the case) isn't mentioned as a release format if what is being shown is actually a digital projection equivalent, so I'm imagining that with them explicitly advertising a 70MM presentation of Napoleon (in theaters that support it), that likely means that it will be printed to 70MM film and projected that way. I know it was a pretty big deal last year when some theaters (including Tarantino's New Beverly Cinema) did 35MM showings of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, which was shot digitally.

My local IMAX showed Oppenheimer in 70MM, and Interstellar as well (no idea about Dunkirk, I missed that one on the big screen), but those were, of course, shot on film. I have no idea if they're going to go through the trouble of getting a projectionist and proper setup ready to go for a movie that wasn't natively shot on film (but I'm certainly hoping that they do).
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 06, 2023, 02:23:43 PM
https://twitter.com/totalfilm/status/1710294113436709005

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QuoteRidley Scott filmed Napoleon in just 62 days – despite it featuring six huge battle scenes

Ridley Scott is no stranger to historical epics, from 1492: Conquest of Paradise to Gladiator – which single-handedly revived the swords-and-sandals genre – to Kingdom of Heaven. And he's back staging huge-scale battles against a period backdrop in the upcoming Napoleon.

This take on the French leader, played here by Gladiator actor Joaquin Phoenix, covers his rise and fall in the context of his relationship with Empress Joséphine (Vanessa Kirby), looking as much at politics of the bedroom as the battleground.

In the new issue of Total Film, which hits shelves next week, Scott talks in-depth about Napoleon (as well as digging into the biggest films of his career). At 85 years old, he's showing no signs of slowing down – literally, in terms of how quickly he can prep and shoot a movie. And there's no shrinking of his ambitions when it comes to spectacle too. Here's an exclusive shot of Scott on set with Phoenix from the new issue of Total Film:

Scott announced that he'd be turning his attention to Napoleon on 14 October 2020, the same day that The Last Duel wrapped filming. He works fast, and had begun the 62-day shoot – yes, just 62 days, ridiculous for a film of this scale – by February 2022.

As Scott points out, Napoleon took part in 66 battles over the course of his career, which would be impossible to put on screen. In the film, there are six battles, and each is staged differently, and each one wows.

Scott puts his prowess with shooting action down to his background in commercials (having shot a lot of sport) and also, particularly, his time at art school.

"The best thing for my career I could ever have done was to go to the art schools I went to. I can really draw. After seven years of art school, you bloody better well be able to. I'll draw all my own storyboards. Every frame is drawn from close-up to medium shots. The locations I haven't found yet – I'll imagine the location. So we'll look for that location. Visual narrative is my strength. I find it very easy, therefore, to handle eight or 11 cameras at once."

Scott used to shoot two commercials a week and would operate the camera on all of them. He took that into his filmmaking. "I was the only operator – one camera – on Alien," he says. "I was the only operator – one camera – on The Duellists. Legend. Thelma & Louise. On all these things, I operated the camera. And so I know exactly what a lens will give me. Today, that has evolved into six to eight to 11 cameras. So I'll sit in my trailer. I'll have monitors like this [spreads arms to indicate a bank of screens]. I'll be sitting there, talking to each operator.

"Every scene is geometry. By having 11 to 14 cameras, we shot Napoleon in 62 days. I'm doing Gladiator 2 now in 54 days, because I'm not doing 50 takes with one camera, on one shot, and then turning around. This normal fight [scene] that could take anything up to a month, I'll take six days. So the savings are colossal."

Napoleon opens in cinemas on November 22. For much more on the film and Ridley Scott's career, pick up a copy of the news issue of Total Film when it hits shelves on October 12. Check out the covers below:
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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 06, 2023, 06:55:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1710029593997132219

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 06, 2023, 02:23:43 PM
QuoteAs Scott points out, Napoleon took part in 66 battles over the course of his career, which would be impossible to put on screen. In the film, there are six battles, and each is staged differently, and each one wows.


So I guess the six battles are (in chronological order):

1. Siege of Toulon (as seen in the trailer with the Toulon batteries firing on the Royal Navy ships)

2. Battle of the Pyramids (as per trailer)

3. Marengo (not sure about this one, but it is the film's working title, so likely that battle is included)

4. Battle of Austerlitz (as seen in the trailer with the French cannons firing on the frozen lake)

5. Battle for Moscow/Borodino (as per trailer)

6. Waterloo (as per trailer)

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 07, 2023, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: DeadlineRidley Scott On Capturing Epic 'Napoleon' & Why He Chose Joaquin Phoenix To Play The Emperor At Contenders London.


Napoleon director-producer Ridley Scott was on stage at Deadline's Contenders London event to discuss the journey behind his latest epic and why he chose Joaquin Phoenix to portray the iconic Emperor.

Speaking about casting Oscar-winner Phoenix, who he had previously worked with on Gladiator [in which Phoenix played another Emperor], filmmaking legend Scott told the audience that he had always viewed Phoenix's character in that movie as "the most sympathetic character in Gladiator, being the product of such a neglectful father."

He continued: "I was blown away by his outrageous film Joker. I didn't like the way it celebrated violence but Joaquin was remarkable. I thought he'd be an amazing asset to Napoleon, [not only creatively] also in a commercial sense. There were only two actors I had in mind for the role. I won't mention the other one."

The film captures Napoleon's famous battles, relentless ambition and astounding strategic mind as an extraordinary military leader and war visionary.

Four-time Oscar nominee Scott revealed that he shot the movie in only 62 days. "Normally a film like this would be shot in around 110," he revealed. "I discovered years ago that eight cameras are eight times faster. Every department has to be able to keep up with my speed. Actors don't want to hear the story of life before each take. I discovered that early on. A well known Welsh actor once told me 'I love what you do because you move so quickly'. You've got to know the geometry of the scene. If you don't, it'll be 3pm before your first shot gets rolling."

Scott said that his passion for the subject was partly born out of his love of France. The filmmaker recalled visiting Saint Tropez on holiday as a teenager, "slathering myself in olive oil and getting the worst sun burn in my life": "I've always enjoyed the French way of life. I've never forgotten the French summers. I loved Paris so much that I have an office there. My first film The Duellists was about Napoleon, though he wasn't in it."

The Blade Runner and Thelma And Louise filmmaker said that his approach to the film was initially visual: "There are 400 books on Napoleon, but I'm a child who looks at pictures. When you look at the paintings of French painter David, you get a history lesson from the paintings".

Scott was joined on stage by Janty Yates, costume designer; Martin Phipps, composer; and Kate Rhodes James, casting director.

James described the chemistry between Phoenix and co-lead Vanessa Kirby: "They have an intimacy that you can't masquerade. Vanessa has a particular quality about her: she's highly intelligent. Josephine the character was an intelligent, manipulative survivor. There were moments in the film that the two actors improvised and it was magical. They were incredible together."

Yates, a regular collaborator with Scott, said that historical accuracy was key to the project: "Normally we research the granny out of our subject then put our own spin on it. Accuracy was everything on this movie. For example, there was embroidery ordered for very specific generals from Russia, Prussia, Britain, France and more..."

https://deadline.com/2023/10/ridley-scott-napoleon-joaquin-phoenix-casting-joker-gladiator-1235566587/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 08, 2023, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: Total Film MagazineExclusive: Ridley Scott has given an update on the director's cut of his upcoming historical epic Napoleon.

Ridley Scott has chopped down his Napoleon director's cut, but it's still over 4 hours.

The director, known for an incredible body of work that includes Gladiator, Alien, and Blade Runner, has been open about his plans for a director's cut of his new film, Napoleon. Now, he's given Total Film magazine an update on how it's looking in our celebration issue.

"I'm working on it. It was four [hours] 10 [minutes] this morning," Scott tells us in the new issue, which hits newsstands on Thursday, October 12. "And so what will happen is, we'll screen [the theatrical cut] first with Sony, and then it has its run, and then the perfect thing is that [the director's cut] goes to streaming, and we have four hours 10 minutes."



Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 08, 2023, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 02, 2023, 03:31:49 PMhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7cazYZaoAAobtc?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

This must be Wellington then. Napoleon never actually met him in person.

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 08, 2023, 04:05:49 PM
Yeah, that is definitely the Duke of Wellington at Waterloo and on the ship again. Scott playing loose and fast with history again!  ;D

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 09, 2023, 08:10:03 AMHistorical advisor: "Wellington never met Napoleon."

Scott: "He bloody well did now!"  ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Still Collating... on Oct 08, 2023, 10:57:00 PM
Scott and any kind of continuity don't mix.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Oct 09, 2023, 02:48:03 PM
https://twitter.com/TheWrap/status/1711377435885813874
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 09, 2023, 04:22:05 PM
https://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1711412677333971177

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 09, 2023, 04:26:24 PM
Wow, way to guarantee a whole bunch of people will just not both with the theatrical cut.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 09, 2023, 05:45:47 PM
New look from a brand new trailer? Great, but where is that trailer? :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 10, 2023, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 09, 2023, 05:45:47 PMNew look from a brand new trailer? Great, but where is that trailer? :)

How's your Spanish?  ;D  These guys probably jumped the gun a bit.


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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 10, 2023, 05:49:24 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 10, 2023, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 09, 2023, 05:45:47 PMNew look from a brand new trailer? Great, but where is that trailer? :)

How's your Spanish?  ;D  These guys probably jumped the gun a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ke1ulzlDjg

Muchas gracias :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 10, 2023, 06:14:31 PM
Spanish is my first language :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 10, 2023, 06:34:41 PM
Spoiler
That first part in the new trailer is when Napoleon spies out the British fortifications at Toulon incognito, early in his career.

The shot of Napoleon toasting with another guy in a pavilion, with the Imperial Guard standing at attention in the background - I think that is Tzar Alexander, ruler of Russia and someone Napoleon held in very high esteem.
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Post by: PullthePlug on Oct 11, 2023, 02:05:33 PM
https://twitter.com/sonypictures_es/status/1712045439623606743
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 11, 2023, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: PullthePlug on Oct 11, 2023, 02:05:33 PMhttps://twitter.com/sonypictures_es/status/1712045439623606743

Seems Spain is way ahead in their marketing...  :laugh:

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Post by: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2023, 06:12:37 PM
Yeah, but the poster looks horrible :)

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 11, 2023, 06:52:27 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2023, 06:12:37 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRcYKl_UsQM

Nice, but awfully choppy framerate. Looks like they got it from Deadline's Contenders event in London recently. Here's the full video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur3aUzRqdd0
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2023, 06:12:37 PMYeah, but the poster looks horrible :)

Napoleon and his horse look horribly  shopped. Should be backlit with the same amount of motion blur as the rest of the troops. Rest of poster isn't that bad.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2023, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 11, 2023, 06:52:27 PMLooks like they got it from Deadline's Contenders event in London recently. Here's the full video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur3aUzRqdd0

Nice one!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 12, 2023, 04:36:55 PM
So Napoleon got a 15 BBFC rating. Usually equivalent to an R-rating in the US, although The Last Duel got an unusual 18 BBFC.

https://twitter.com/Cinemania_World/status/1712502419421032571

Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 11, 2023, 06:12:37 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRcYKl_UsQM

I like how Jacques-Louis David can be seen busy behind the easel painting (or more likely just sketching) the coronation ceremony. His actual painting is absolutely humongous, it's almost life size:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 12, 2023, 07:29:29 PM
I'm glad they included Jacques-Louis David character in that scene which was inspired by ... his painting.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 13, 2023, 03:58:39 PM
There's about 4 very brief new shots in these two new German TV spots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ7s39N80ig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBTuMwPo7g
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 13, 2023, 06:23:43 PM
Mein Gott! I'm glad I don't have to watch movies with dubbing. It should be delegalized.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 13, 2023, 07:50:14 PM
Riddles should have had everyone speaking French in the movie, with English, German, Spanish etc. subtitles.  ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 15, 2023, 03:47:17 PM
Two new posters released (one we've seen before photographed in a cinema)

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New cinema flyer:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 18, 2023, 01:47:30 PM
New Trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIsfMO5Jd_w
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 18, 2023, 01:59:25 PM
Love it. 8) I imagine I'll be seeing this on the big screen on Friday before Killers of the Flower Moon; can't wait.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 18, 2023, 02:35:54 PM
Not sure if Black Sabbath and Napoleon really go together but whatever...

Subtitled version available from the Apple Youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zdMzTCZBVI
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 18, 2023, 03:03:02 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 18, 2023, 02:35:54 PMNot sure if Black Sabbath and Napoleon really go together but whatever...

Lyrics are about absurdity of war and absolute power so it kind of fits :)
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 18, 2023, 03:18:49 PM
The song choices in both of these trailers have been... something, haha.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 19, 2023, 08:05:18 AM
Quote from: IngwarLyrics are about absurdity of war and absolute power so it kind of fits :)

The lyrics might be appropriate but the electric guitar and synth is chronologically jarring for a late 18th century epic. It would have paired great with Black Hawk Down's trailer, but not this.

I'm not the only one to think so:

Quote from: ForbesThere's Just One Thing Wrong With The New Joaquin Phoenix 'Napoleon' Trailer

Joaquin Phoenix is one of those actors whose screen presence is so strong and so compelling that whether he's playing a goofy side-character in Signs or a lunatic in Joker or an emperor in Gladiator you just can't look away.

At times magnetic, at times almost grotesque, at times charming, always crackling and vulnerable in one form or another, Phoenix is riveting, inviting audiences to dance along the dark paths he walks.

The Johnny Cash actor now takes on his most epic role yet as French tyrant and military genius, Napoleon Bonaparte in Ridley Scott's upcoming Apple TV film, Napoleon. Of course, the last time Scott and Phoenix worked together it was on Gladiator, where Phoenix played the cruel and mercurial Emperor Commodus.

I'll have to rewatch that movie before I go see Napoleon, which—although it will come to Apple TV streaming at some point—looks like the type of movie you really ought to see in a theater on the biggest possible screen. Behold, the epic second trailer:

This looks great. That scene where he crowns himself is peak Joaquin Phoenix. The relationship between Napoleon and his wife, Empress Joséphine (Vanessa Kirby) looks particularly fascinating. And the battle scenes look every bit as epic as I'd hoped.

I will make one quibble with the otherwise great trailer: Why Black Sabbath? Why have War Pigs play over a historical epic? That song belongs in a Call Of Duty trailer, not a movie about one of the greatest despots in European history. What a terrible call. Why sully such an epic trailer with Ozzy bloody Osbourne and electric guitars?

Sigh. Let's just hope it's only in the trailer and not in the movie—if this wasn't a Ridley Scott film I might actually be worried!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2023/10/18/theres-just-one-thing-wrong-with-the-new-joaquin-phoenix-napoleon-trailer/


Pretty sure it's only in the trailer though.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 19, 2023, 08:08:37 AM
It's only a trailer. It won't be in the movie for sure.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 19, 2023, 01:10:35 PM
I must say, based upon trailers only, that Kirby's performance is way more interesting than Joaquin's.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 19, 2023, 02:01:13 PM
"We don't think the song fits." "Well it bloody well does now!"
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 19, 2023, 04:08:53 PM
New behind-the-scenes featurette:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFxZN5rteXk
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 19, 2023, 04:36:25 PM
She's good :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 19, 2023, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 19, 2023, 04:36:25 PMShe's good :)

Quote from: VarietyRidley Scott's 'Napoleon' Oscars Submissions Revealed, Including Vanessa Kirby for Supporting Actress (EXCLUSIVE)

Ridley Scott's "Napoleon" an epic look at the French emperor and military leader's rise to power, is one of the final potential awards hopefuls awaiting its first reactions from critics and pundits. As awards season approaches, Variety has learned exclusively which Oscar categories the film will be submitted for. Most notably, Vanessa Kirby will vie for best supporting actress.

Joaquin Phoenix, who won best actor for the villain origin story "Joker" (2019) and has received three additional mentions during his career ("Gladiator," "Walk the Line" and "The Master"), will submit for leading actor for his performance as Napoleon. Kirby, who picked up her inaugural nom for "Pieces of a Woman" (2020), will vie for supporting actress for her role as Josephine, Napoleon's wife and one true love. Two supporting actors will be submitted — Tahar Rahim ("The Mauritanian") and Rupert Everett ("My Best Friend's Wedding").

Scott has received nominations across his career — three for directing "Thelma & Louise" (1991), "Gladiator" (2000) and "Black Hawk Down" (2001) and a best picture nom for "The Martian" (2015). He will again be up for directing consideration, along with co-producing with Kevin J. Walsh and Mark Huffam.

The artisans behind "Napoleon" will angle for attention in cinematography (nominee Dariusz Wolski, "News of the World"), film editing (Sam Restivo and winner Claire Simpson, "Platoon"), production design (three-time nominee Arthur Max, "The Martian," "American Gangster" and "Gladiator"; and set decorator Elli Griff), makeup and hairstyling (Jana Carboni and nominee Francesco Pegoretti, "Pinocchio"), sound (five-time nominee Oliver Tarney, "No Time to Die," "News of the World," "1917," "The Martian" and "Captain Phillips"; and winner Paul Massey, "Bohemian Rhapsody"), visual effects (Neil Corbould, Luc-ewen Martin-fenouillet, Simone Coco and nominee Charley Henley, "Prometheus") and original score (Martin Phipps).

https://variety.com/2023/film/awards/napoleon-awards-submissions-joaquin-phoenix-vanessa-kirby-1235762011/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 19, 2023, 05:45:40 PM
They forgot about Janty Yates.

Also, how does Oscar submission even work? They couldn't have seen the movie yet? Could they?
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 19, 2023, 07:38:08 PM
This just means that the studio is lobbying for these categories. The Academy voting doesn't happen until later.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 20, 2023, 08:55:23 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 19, 2023, 05:45:40 PMThey forgot about Janty Yates.

You kidding? Have you seen those costumes? The other contenders wouldn't stand a chance! It wouldn't  be fair. ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 21, 2023, 05:05:58 PM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1715759855980454187

Spoiler
This clip is likely when Napoleon returns from exile in Elba and takes over rulership of France again.
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 22, 2023, 04:09:06 PM
https://twitter.com/SonyPicturesUK/status/1716016551483134020
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 24, 2023, 02:34:03 PM
New official posters in the tri-colours of the French flag:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9MkxAHXIAEOPq2?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9NyU89XMAAsOs6?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9MkxAHWkAEO8EN?format=jpg&name=large)

One or two new shots in this German TV spot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJUL8jMUzBc
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 25, 2023, 04:01:30 PM
This looks like Malaysia? Hopefully it will be released online as well:

https://twitter.com/TGVCinemas/status/1717149071205667158

https://twitter.com/AmericanCine/status/1716916492900733338

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1717209403643113961
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2023, 04:16:06 PM
What a downgrade with the font they've shifted to on the latest posters.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 25, 2023, 04:19:56 PM
I must say that the posters are nothing special.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
Yeah.

At least we don't have a big photoshop floating head ensemble pic (yet), though?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 25, 2023, 04:34:54 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2023, 04:20:55 PMYeah.

At least we don't have a big photoshop floating head ensemble pic (yet), though?


Got a bit of a photochop job with this one:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8JmuICXMAAXh6K?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2023, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 25, 2023, 04:34:54 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2023, 04:20:55 PMYeah.

At least we don't have a big photoshop floating head ensemble pic (yet), though?


Got a bit of a photochop job with this one:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8JmuICXMAAXh6K?format=jpg&name=large

My expectations for posters are so in the dirt these days that even that seems a step above the floating head junk.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Oct 26, 2023, 04:36:53 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2023, 04:20:55 PMYeah.

At least we don't have a big photoshop floating head ensemble pic (yet), though?

That will be on the physical release, I'm assuming.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 26, 2023, 08:37:19 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Oct 26, 2023, 04:36:53 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2023, 04:20:55 PMYeah.

At least we don't have a big photoshop floating head ensemble pic (yet), though?

That will be on the physical release, I'm assuming.

I'll happily take the hit as long as there is a physical release.  :)

@Nightmare Asylum, do you know if Killers of the Flower Moon has a streaming release date yet?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Oct 26, 2023, 10:36:21 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2023, 04:16:06 PMWhat a downgrade with the font they've shifted to on the latest posters.

Yeh not a fan. Looks like someone has tried to re-create the original :/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2023, 10:53:16 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2023, 08:37:19 AM@Nightmare Asylum, do you know if Killers of the Flower Moon has a streaming release date yet?

Haven't heard about one yet. Nor do I know how long its theatrical run is set for (not sure if it's a shortened run or not).

I'm guessing once we see how this one plays out, Napoleon's will be pretty much the same though.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 26, 2023, 04:01:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1717571799557533828
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 26, 2023, 04:05:45 PM
Napoleon was Raised by Wolves ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 26, 2023, 04:09:29 PM
Youtube link:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FQtP5-cxn6k


Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 26, 2023, 04:05:45 PMNapoleon was Raised by Wolves ;D

Interresting bit about how he interacted with even the lowest of his foot soldiers. They would often praise him "Vive le'Empereur!" But in battles he lost they would often openly curse him or heckle him and he would just take it in stride.

If the soldiers needed new shoes or weren't paid on time they would go right up to him and tell him and it would get sorted pronto, no middle men. That inspired a very fierce loyalty in his men.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 27, 2023, 10:08:20 AM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1717662388361527733
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 27, 2023, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: Box Office ProNapoleon
Sony Pictures & Apple Studios
November 22, 2023
3-Day (FSS) Opening Weekend Tracking Range: $16M-$21M
Domestic Total Tracking Range: $46M-$74M
PROS:

Joaquin Phoenix could be a considerable draw with the added appeal of portraying a famous historical figure on top of the actor's own star appeal and mainstream audience goodwill that may carry over from his Oscar win for Joker.
Ridley Scott's directorial credit is a notable selling point given that some of his career's biggest hits have been cut from a similar epic, historical, and star-driven vehicles such as Gladiator and The Martian.
The absence of significant competition for adult audiences could spur extra demand over the holidays as Napoleon opens one month after Killers of the Flower Moon and, pending any release date shifts, films such as late December's American Fiction, The Color Purple, and Ferrari.

CONS:

With only the aforementioned Flower Moon as a sample size to judge by, some volatility in marketing footprints should be expected as this will be Apple's latest collaboration on a theatrically exclusive distribution with a major studio.
Reviews and reception will be key given the reality that period films are challenging to sell among today's moviegoers, while Scott's own box office history is quite varied in recent years.
Even more so than Wish, the ongoing labor dispute preventing actors from promoting films will likely impact Napoleon in a meaningful way if Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby are unable to help market the film to its intended adult audience.

https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-range-box-office-forecast-disneys-wish-and-ridley-scotts-napoleon/

For comparison, The Martian (Scott's highest grossing film to date) was predicted by Box Office to debut at $46 Million domestic in it's opening weekend. In reality the film opened at $54 million domestic.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Oct 27, 2023, 12:51:16 PM
Hopefully it won't end up like The Last Duel  :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 27, 2023, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Oct 27, 2023, 12:51:16 PMHopefully it won't end up like The Last Duel  :)

I don't reckon it will, Napoleon is basically a household name, everyone  has heard of him, while The Last Duel was based on a bit of an obscure story. Older audiences were also still a bit wary of Covid in theatres at the time. Marketing for Napoleon so far has also been a lot more aggressive than TLD.

On the other hand, Napoleon probably cost a lot more (probably double) to film compared to TLD and some people might now hold off for the streaming director's cut thanks to Riddles.  :laugh: 
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Oct 28, 2023, 12:46:21 AM
https://twitter.com/SonyPictures/status/1718024783294808254
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Oct 29, 2023, 03:19:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-lChDE1SUE
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 29, 2023, 03:31:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9eSBeiWsAA6lvQ?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9b-xxnXsAAcHYC?format=jpg&name=large)

New short:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XQc3-QJUdPQ
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 29, 2023, 08:06:48 PM
Mmm. Burgundy.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 30, 2023, 05:43:34 PM
Rumour has it that the first press screening will be on 13 November.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 31, 2023, 08:09:24 AM
Some new footage in this spot:

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1719066639797244405
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Oct 31, 2023, 04:10:05 PM
New short costume featurette:

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1719383731004207240

Youtube link for featurette above:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ka78dnWC7ag


New French poster. One of the better ones so far:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9tY_wwWsAALtTG?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 01, 2023, 07:10:03 PM
Great new 16 minute long behind the scenes documentary and interview with Ridley Scott:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkfebcus_yQ
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1719776327707050109
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 02, 2023, 02:21:15 PM
Short clip:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7j1OmxSkwWE

https://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1719821330508398656

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1719814064388428054



Same video as the one I posted yesterday, so nothing new on Gladiator 2.

https://twitter.com/thehistoryguy/status/1719801130975109329



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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 02, 2023, 05:31:14 PM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1720108516260688086
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Nov 03, 2023, 12:27:06 AM
Reminds me of Barry Lyndon and Bondarchuk's epic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EykTXlhVmTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqanxfecIA


Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 03, 2023, 09:12:44 AM
Quote from: ralfy on Nov 03, 2023, 12:27:06 AMReminds me of Barry Lyndon and Bondarchuk's epic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EykTXlhVmTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqanxfecIA

Yeah, same heavy influence of 19th century classical paintings. Kubrick's Barry Lyndon actually inspired and heavily influenced Scott's first film, The Duellists.



Quote from: DeadlineLet the feast begin: A pair of Thanksgiving releases and awards-season contenders, Disney's Wish and Apple Original Films and Sony's Napoleon, are set to open over the Wednesday-to-Sunday holiday stretch with respective grosses of $50M+ and $24M+. Both pics open on Thanksgiving eve, November 22.

Ridley Scott's Napoleon is tracking with older and younger guys, of course, and its five-day opening is in the range of the helmer's 2021 Thanksgiving launch, House of Gucci, which did $22M, and Prime Video's Ben Affleck-directed Air, which minted $20.2M in a five-day Easter launch this year.

Napoleon reps Apple's second mega-wide theatrical release on a long window after Martin Scorsese's Killers of the Flower Moon, which Paramount distributed. That pic opened to a solid $23.2M in the middle of an actors strike where performers aren't permitted to promote struck work. Napoleon, which begins media previews Wednesday, stars Oscar winner Joaquin Phoenix in the title role and has a 2 hour, 38 minute running time — significantly shorter than Martin Scorsese's Killers of the Flower Moon at 3½ hours. Deadline first told you about Apple financing the $130M epic back in January 2021.

Full article: https://deadline.com/2023/11/box-office-wish-napoleon-projection-1235591106/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 03, 2023, 09:15:52 AM
$130M for an epic movie like Napoleon? That's cheap. For comparison Killers of the Flower Moon's budget was $200M.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 03, 2023, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 03, 2023, 09:15:52 AM$130M for an epic movie like Napoleon? That's cheap. For comparison Killers of the Flower Moon's budget was $200M.

Wow yes! I missed that somehow. It really looks like it had the same $200m budget as Killers. Scott is next level!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 03, 2023, 10:26:32 AM
I don't know how he does it. Seriously. The Last Duel cost $100m (probably lockdown is responsible for it) but Napoleon is levels above when it comes to production complexities and so on.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 05, 2023, 03:30:21 PM
Very short clip showing Napoleon getting promoted from Captain to General by Paul Barras:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BKGmZ8yRnN8




One or two new shots in this spot:

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1721165476846608810
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 06, 2023, 01:10:01 PM
Mega Ridley Scott article from the New Yorker

QuoteRidley Scott's "Napoleon" Complex
Does the director of "Alien," "Blade Runner," and "Gladiator" see himself in the hero of his epic new film?

Sony's Tom Rothman calls the octogenarian director "the single best argument for a second term for Joe Biden."

On the morning of the Battle of Waterloo, Napoleon Bonaparte was full of catastrophic confidence. His seventy-three thousand troops were camped on a ridge near a tavern called La Belle Alliance. His nemesis, the Duke of Wellington, occupied a slope across the fields, with a mere sixty-seven thousand troops. Over breakfast, Napoleon predicted, "If my orders are well executed, we will sleep in Brussels this evening." When his chief of staff offered a word of caution, Napoleon snapped, "Wellington is a bad general and the English are bad troops. The whole affair will not be more serious than swallowing one's breakfast."

He was already making mistakes. Underestimating his enemies' capabilities and overestimating his own, he assumed that the woods behind the British would block their retreat, but Wellington had strategically used the forest to hide more soldiers. An overnight downpour had left the fields soggy, and Napoleon, instead of striking at nine, as he had planned, held off until midday, giving the Prussians crucial time to reach Wellington as backup. Napoleon was tired. He was ill. He was strangely apathetic, declining to survey parts of the battlefield himself. Michael Broers, a Napoleon scholar at Oxford, told me, "The real question isn't so much Why did he lose? but How on earth did he ever think he could win?"

In 2020, Broers was grading a student's essay when he got a call from an assistant in Ridley Scott's office, explaining that the director was planning an epic film about Napoleon, starring Joaquin Phoenix. Summoned to Scott's headquarters, in London—crammed with movie props, it reminded Broers of Aladdin's cave—the professor advised Scott on everything from the motivations of Empress Josephine to whether Napoleon was left-handed. (He wasn't.) Scott was particularly interested in battles, from both a practical and a psychological perspective. "He saw at eye level," Broers recalled. "His Waterloo was like a diorama." At one point, Broers drew him a map, and the director studied it like a hardened general preparing for battle—which, in a way, he was. "He's not un-Napoleonic himself," Broers said. "When he's there, he's in charge, and you have complete confidence in him. He dishes it out, and he can take it."

Scott, who has filmed and fought more than his share of battles, will turn eighty-six this month, a week after the release of "Napoleon," his twenty-eighth film. His movies have tackled other Great Men of History (Moses, Columbus), as well as aliens, androids, con men, gangsters, goblins, soldiers, serial killers, and the Gucci family. He creates visceral worlds, whether the rain-streaked, mechanized dystopia of "Blade Runner" or the dusty Roman arenas of "Gladiator," and several of his screen images—a slime-covered creature bursting out of an astronaut's chest in "Alien," Thelma and Louise zooming off a cliff—are lodged firmly in the popular imagination. But he's tough to pin down. "Is Ridley a fine artist? Is he an art-cinema director? Is he a commercial hack? Is he all of the above?," Paul Sammon, a writer who has published three books about Scott, said. "That's what I really enjoy about Ridley—he is unclassifiable."

The director feels the same way. "My choices tend to be random," he told me in September. He was in the West Hollywood offices of the Ridley Scott Creative Group, a sprawling enterprise that produces features, music videos, and commercials, with outposts in Amsterdam and Hong Kong. We sat in an airy conference room, the walls of which were covered with photographs of Scott on his various sets. Like Logan Roy, the patriarch in "Succession," he wears his authority like an old sweater, his northern English burr unsoftened by Hollywood. He's a growler, a grumbler, a barker, a chortler. His narrow eyes peer over a long, stern nose, and his resting scowl is framed by an untidy white beard, which he occasionally strokes, more in irritation than in contemplation.

Scott regards his œuvre with pugnacious pride, especially his less loved films, such as the 2013 crime thriller "The Counselor," which he maintains was the victim of bad marketing. ("They f**ked it up.") When a movie fails, I asked, does he question his instincts? "No," he grunted. "I blast the shit out of a tennis ball." Beside him was Pauline Kael's four-page evisceration of "Blade Runner," which ran in this magazine in 1982 and contains, among other gibes, the line "Scott seems to be trapped in his own alleyways, without a map." Scott had the review framed for his office wall years ago and had asked an assistant to lay it on the table for me; I got the sense that he had agreed to a New Yorker Profile in order to have the last laugh.

Scott was on an enforced hiatus. In July, he'd been more than halfway through shooting "Gladiator 2," on the island of Malta, when the actors' strike halted production. But, unlike Napoleon during his exile on Elba, he wasn't taking salt baths and stewing. He was busy preparing an extended cut of "Napoleon" for Apple, which produced and will stream the film. He'd been editing what he had of "Gladiator 2," slated for next fall, and "reccing"—reconnoitering—locations for a Western. As he approaches ninety, Scott is not slowing down but speeding up. Tom Rothman, the head of Sony's film division, which will distribute "Napoleon" theatrically, told me, "Ridley Scott is the single best argument for a second term for Joe Biden." Paul Biddiss, a burly British ex-paratrooper who was Scott's military adviser for "Napoleon," recalled shooting the siege of Toulon, in Malta: "He goes, 'Can you touch your toes? Come on!' We're in the middle of Fort Ricasoli, we're both touching toes to see who's flexible, and he was, like, 'You've got to take up yoga.' "

While many directors are embracing a gentler, more collaborative mode of authority, Scott characterizes his style as a benevolent dictatorship. "Working with Ridley, it's very much military in some ways," Arthur Max, his longtime production designer, told me. David Scarpa, the screenwriter of "Napoleon," said, "The striking thing about Ridley, more than anything else, is this enormous will. You send him pages while he's shooting, he shoots twelve hours a day, he then goes out to dinner with the actors, then he works on editing what he's shot that day. After that, he reads your pages, and the next day you get the e-mail from Europe, and he's storyboarded them. That would kill ninety per cent of the directors in Hollywood."

Researching the script, Scarpa began noticing similarities between director and subject. "Seeing Napoleon and Ridley side by side, I think that there are people who simply don't have that internal sense of limitation that normal people have," he said. "I remember reading about how one time Napoleon was finishing up a battle, and he was simultaneously designing the currency."

Joaquin Phoenix, like other actors who have worked with Scott, was unable to talk to me for this story because of the actors' strike. But, earlier this year, he told Empire magazine, "If you want to really understand Napoleon, then you should probably do your own studying and reading. Because if you see this film, it's this experience told through Ridley's eyes." Ten days before filming, Phoenix went to Scott and said, "I'm agonizing over this. I don't know how to do it." The two spent several twelve-hour days psychoanalyzing the Emperor, scene by scene. "We found that he's a split personality," Scott said. "He is deeply vulnerable, and while doing his job he's able to hide that under a marvellous front. His forceful personality was part of his theatre."

Napoleon has enticed filmmakers practically since movies were invented. The French director Abel Gance débuted his five-and-a-half-hour silent epic, "Napoléon," in 1927; with its use of cameras attached to guillotines and sleds, it was a breakthrough in special effects. ("I couldn't get through it, honestly," Scott said.) In 1970, Sergei Bondarchuk released "Waterloo," starring Rod Steiger as a sweaty, screaming Napoleon. It was filmed on Ukrainian farmland, with seventeen thousand extras borrowed from the Soviet Army. At the time, Stanley Kubrick, hot off "2001: A Space Odyssey," was laboring over his own Napoleon project, for M-G-M, envisioning Jack Nicholson in the title role. "He fascinates me," Kubrick said, of the Emperor. He devoured biographies, obsessing over minutiae. One designer quit after an argument over whether rhododendrons had been brought from India by Napoleon's time. When Kubrick's plans fell apart, he funnelled his period research into "Barry Lyndon," which in turn inspired Scott's first film, "The Duellists," in 1977, about a pair of rival officers during the Napoleonic Wars. Years after Kubrick's death, Scott was sent his unused Napoleon script. Scott found it underwhelming, in part because it spanned "birth to death," he said. (Steven Spielberg is currently developing the Kubrick project as an HBO series.)

Scott became interested in Napoleon about fifteen years ago, when he happened upon a book by Sten Forshufvud, a Swedish dental surgeon, who, in 1961, tested Napoleon's hair for arsenic and theorized that he had been poisoned. (Broers, the Oxford historian, is doubtful. "Forshufvud forgot something—everyone was a bit 'arsenic poisoned' in those days," he said. "Wallpaper and many other things were made with levels of it that would be banned today.") Scott started thinking about Napoleon's final exile, on St. Helena. He was intrigued by his friendship with a young girl who liked to play with the Emperor's sword and hat. "He would sit there and watch her hacking away at a tree," Scott said. "She had no idea who he was, other than a prisoner of war."

Unlike Kubrick, Scott wasn't big on biographies. He gave up after two or three books and ordered Scarpa, his screenwriter, to bone up. "One of the questions I found myself asking is Where am I supposed to come down on this guy?" Scarpa said. "In history, we tend to sort characters into heroes or villains. You're either Martin Luther King or you're Adolf Hitler." He was curious about Napoleon's marriage to Josephine, who carried on a flagrant affair with a Hussar in her husband's Army. "What stuck was Napoleon's seeming ineptitude with women," Scarpa explained. "His attachment to Josephine over the course of his entire life, but also the bizarre disconnect in a guy who is able to kill eighty thousand people on a battlefield in Eastern Europe, almost as a sporting event, and yet, to him, it simply wouldn't be sporting to deal with his rival for his wife's affections."

The angle appealed to Scott. "Who was this person, and why was he vulnerable?" he asked. "And it was this woman called Josephine." He cast Jodie Comer, who had starred in his 2021 film "The Last Duel," but two months before filming she had to drop out and was replaced by Vanessa Kirby.

Scott has described the "environment" as a character in all his films, and critics have accused him of prioritizing spectacle over substance. "I tend to be visual above all things, before the written word," he said. He is fond of the adage "A picture is worth a thousand words," which he attributes to Hitchcock. (In fact, it dates back at least to a speech in 1911 by the newspaper editor Arthur Brisbane.) His hand-drawn storyboards, known as Ridleygrams, are his method of thinking and communicating. His older son, Jake, recalled going on a family vacation in France when he and his brother were children: "He had us illustrate the holiday, and he wrote the text. That was a form of storyboarding."

Luke, Scott's younger son, has worked as a second-unit director on several of his father's films, beginning with "Exodus: Gods and Kings," from 2014, starring Christian Bale as an unlikely Moses. For a sequence with the ten plagues, Luke was tasked with filming vultures landing on a statue. When it was done, he recalled, "I think, All good, pretty good shots of vultures. And then I get a phone call: 'What the f**k was that?' He says, 'The top of the statue has to be covered in bones, detritus, all of that!' " Luke called the vultures back and reshot the scene with the jetsam of pestilence. "I was misreading the storyboard," he said.

Scott's closest collaborators are trained to anticipate his aesthetic preferences. Arthur Max, the production designer, named a few: "Smoke. Thick, crusty, shiny, black, thick paint. Heavy aging. Filth. Dirt. Textures of all kinds. Shiny glass mirrors. Chrome. Metallic, silky fabrics. Corrosion. Small, fine, delicate mechanisms." Janty Yates, his costume designer, avoids fluorescent fabrics for his films. "He prefers rich jewel colors," she told me. "He loves gold trim, but old gold. He loves shadow. He really doesn't like green—and then suddenly he'll like green. He's quite a hummingbird." On "The Martian," he surprised her by requesting a "pop of orange."

In his L.A. office, Scott had an assistant bring in a bound copy of his "Napoleon" storyboards, which looked like a comic-strip biography. He flipped through: the Battle of Austerlitz, in which Napoleon lures the Russians onto a frozen pond; a cut scene of Napoleon and Josephine discussing politics in a bathtub; the Fire of Moscow, in 1812. ("It burned like a son of a bitch.") "This is now the day of Waterloo," Scott said, pointing at a page. Originally, he had planned to show Napoleon on the toilet, noticing blood; he'd read that the Emperor suffered from hemorrhoids, which were common to equestrians. (It's possible that he actually had stomach cancer.) "As I got close to the release, I thought, I haven't got the courage," he said, and he cut the toilet scene. He turned to a drawing of Wellington in gray, asking a scout when the Prussians would arrive. A scribbled note read, "Does NB have similar intel?"

To play the role of Waterloo, Scott's team scouted dozens of fields in England—"tromping around in Wellington boots in muddy fields, avoiding cowpats," Max recalled—before settling on a farm in Berkshire. The production set up a "war room" in Brentford, a London suburb, with three-dimensional models of the terrain. Biddiss, the ex-paratrooper, ran five hundred extras through "boot camp" at the Cavalry Barracks in Hounslow, which were built in Napoleon's era. He assessed the extras to make sure they were "physically and mentally robust" and put the best three hundred up front. (C.G.I. multiplied them into the thousands.) Biddiss had studied old military manuals and showed the extras how the French and the English loaded their muskets in different ways. Scott is less of a stickler. When the trailer came out, the TV historian Dan Snow posted a TikTok breakdown of its inaccuracies. (At the Battle of the Pyramids, "Napoleon didn't shoot at the pyramids"; Marie-Antoinette "famously had very cropped hair for the execution, and, hey, Napoleon wasn't there.") Scott's response: "Get a life."

Waterloo was shot in the course of five days, with eleven cameras rolling. "It was quite blustery," Max recalled. "I knew Ridley would like it, because he is very visceral about the elements. If he got an earthquake, he'd find a way to use it." Biddiss told me, "Uniformity is very important with Ridley—right down to the guys, making sure their hats are straight. There wasn't a bayonet that was out of synch." The most complicated maneuver was forming human squares, with bayonets pointed outward—an infantry formation that the British used to scare off the Frenchmen's horses. "I had some sleepless nights, because I wanted to make sure that those guys did this square perfectly," Biddiss said. On the day, "they pulled it off brilliantly. I could hear Ridley on the radio—'Buy those boys a pint!' "

Scott calls himself a war baby, though he was born in 1937, two years before England entered the Second World War. The Scotts lived in South Shields, on the northeast coast. "When the air-raid warnings sounded off, my father was in London already as an officer," Scott recalled. "My mother would hustle us under the stairs, and we'd sit drinking cocoa, singing 'Old MacDonald Had a Farm' while bombs came down around us.

been a clerk in a shipping office, but the war was good to him. Despite his Geordie accent, he rose up the ranks to brigadier general overseeing civil engineering; according to Ridley, he received letters from Winston Churchill, thanking him for his input on D Day. After the war, Francis was asked to help rebuild Germany's infrastructure. He moved his wife and sons—Ridley, his older brother, Frank, and his younger brother, Tony—to a sumptuous house in Hamburg. In 1952, Francis was offered a prestigious role leading the Port Authority for the Elbe and the Rhine. (Scott said, "That's like being offered the St. Lawrence and the Hudson!") But Ridley's mother, Elizabeth, wanted to be near her relatives in England. Ridley remembers speaking up, saying, "Take the job!" and getting a thwack. They returned to England and lived in modest state housing. He said, "Already I was learning how life changes so quickly, you know?"

Despite Scott's machismo, he is known for populating his films with strong women: Sigourney Weaver's Ellen Ripley, in "Alien," one of Hollywood's first female action heroes; Thelma and Louise; G.I. Jane; Lady Gaga's vengeful Patrizia Reggiani, in "House of Gucci"; even the sledgehammer-wielding rebel in his "1984" commercial for Apple. Sigourney Weaver credits Scott with the longevity of Ripley and "Alien." Earlier this year, she told Total Film, "They made Ripley a woman, without making her this helpless creature." In AnOther magazine, she recalled, "I'd been put in a baby-blue space costume, and Ridley took one look at me and said, 'You look like f**king Jackie O. in space!' " He put her in an old nasa flight suit instead. "Ripley is not a sexy space babe," Weaver said. "I never worried how I looked, I worried about getting down the corridors fast enough to escape the explosions!"

Scott is not one to expound on gender roles. When asked about his predilection, he responds vaguely, as he did in 1998, speaking to Sammon: "I'm drawn to strong, intelligent women in real life. Why shouldn't the films reflect that?" When I raised the subject with his son Jake, he replied, "I can tell you where that comes from—my grandmother."

"I shouldn't say this," Scott told me, "but my mother was the man of the house. My mother insisted she was five feet—she was four foot eleven. And she was ferocious. My dad was a real gentleman. He was a sweetheart, a nice man, who took more than he should have from my mum." Elizabeth, he recalled, "would take a belt or a stick to us". She never worked outside the home, although, in the seventies, she offered to be a receptionist at Scott's commercial-production company. ("I didn't want to say it, but she'd scare away more clients than she'd bring in.") Elizabeth lost her brother and four sisters to cancer, then lived until ninety-six. "She was formidable," Scott said. "Her famous words to me before she died were 'This is ridiculous.' "

I asked Jake which of his father's characters most resembled Elizabeth. He laughed and said, "Mother, in 'Alien.' " Mother, or mu/th/ur 6000, is the spaceship's computer system, Scott's answer to Kubrick's hal 9000, from "2001." At the end of "Alien," she counts down to self-destruction in a firm, matronly voice. (The voice actress, Helen Horton, was in her fifties.) Jake said, "Even 'Napoleon' begins with a defiant Marie-Antoinette at the guillotine, which is a sort of punk image." Then he thought of another film, "A Good Year," which features the actress Archie Panjabi as a hard-charging executive assistant. "That's another Grandma," he said. "Do you know what? There's Grandmas in his films. They're here, there, and everywhere."

Does Scott see his mother in his heroines? "No, no," he told me. "But I learned to give as good as I take. She'd say, 'Don't you talk to me like that.' And I'd say, 'Don't you talk to me like that.' " In "Napoleon," Josephine is the only person who seems unimpressed by her husband's conquests. In a particularly strong scene, he confronts her about her philandering, demanding that she say, "Without you, I am nothing." Later, as they sit by a fire, she makes him say the same to her, reducing the Emperor of France to a whimperer. "By forgiving her, it in a way is both generous and a weakness," Scott said. Later, his son Luke talked about how Elizabeth ruled over Ridley and his brother Tony. "The only person in the world who could tell them to shut up and get in line was her," he said.

Scott was a terrible student, but by the age of nine he'd discovered two passions: smoking and painting. At seventeen, having flunked all his exams except art, he decided to enlist in the National Service; his older brother, Frank, had joined the British Merchant Navy. "You've got nothing to learn from the Army," Ridley's father advised him. "You should go to art school." He enrolled in a local program, in West Hartlepool, an industrial seaside town. He'd walk the beaches by the steelworks, watching "towers belching filth and junk," he said. "It's a wonder I've still got a pair of lungs." Years later, he drew on those polluted skies while envisioning the dystopian Los Angeles of "Blade Runner."

He went on to the Royal College of Art, in London. His classmates included David Hockney, whom he remembers getting bored in a life-drawing class and sketching a skeleton in the corner instead. The school had no filmmaking program, so Scott joined the theatre-design department, where, in 1962, someone lent him a Bolex 16-mm. camera. He returned to West Hartlepool to make a short film, "Boy and Bicycle," starring his teen-age brother, Tony, who would follow him into art school. Scott was fascinated by Joyce's "Ulysses" with its "organically visual descriptions" of, say, a butcher laying a "moist tender gland" onto "rubber prickles." In "Boy and Bicycle," a freckled lad skips school and bikes through town,as we hear his inner monologue on time, the stench of the smokestacks, and death. Scott said, "The idea was, boy plays hooky for the day, thinks it's freedom. It's not—it's actually prison."

His final student show got him an offer of a design job at the BBC, which he deferred to travel the United States on Greyhound buses. In New York, he met fashion designers and worked for the documentarians Richard Leacock and D. A. Pennebaker. He was full of drive but unclear which direction it should take. Back in London, he designed sets for such BBC series as "The Dick Emery Show." He recalled, "From designing, I'd been groomed to be a senior department head, and I surprised them by saying, 'I don't want that.' Then they surprised me by saying, 'Would you want to do a director's course at the BBC?' " For the class, he made a "potted version" of Kubrick's war drama "Paths of Glory." The next Monday, he was offered his first directing job, on a police procedural called "Z-Cars."

One day in the mid-sixties, a colleague asked him to cover for her at a test shoot for a Benson & Hedges cigarette ad in Chelsea. Freelance commercial directing was better paying and less bureaucratic than the BBC, and Scott was soon shuttling in his white Mini between the BBC's White City Place and a studio in Chelsea. Within a year,he'd shot hundreds of commercials, starting with a Gerber baby-food ad, during which "the baby spattered porridge all over me," as he recalled with a grimace. Britain's ad business was experiencing a creative revolution, with dull, market-research-driven spots giving way to mini movies that captured the buzz of Swinging London. "British advertising had been waiting for a figure like Scott for some time," Sam Delaney writes in "Get Smashed," his chronicle of the era. "A generation of writers and art directors had elevated the standard of creative ideas but were unable to find directors who could properly execute their scripts."

Commercials trained Scott in economical storytelling, conjuring atmosphere, delivering on time and on budget, and making lots of money doing so. He was known for infusing banal scripts with a sheen of artistry; he shot a soap-powder ad in the style of "Citizen Kane" and a toothpaste spot inspired by "Doctor Zhivago." As competitors moved in on his turf, he realized that he could profit off his rivals and, in 1968, he founded Ridley Scott Associates, which signed up-and-coming commercial directors. When his brother Tony got out of school, dreaming of making documentaries, Ridley urged Tony's wife to dissuade him: "I said, 'Dear, if he does documentaries, he's going to be riding the bicycle in forty years' time. Come with me, because I know he really wants a Ferrari.' So Tony came with me, and, sure enough, he got a Ferrari." With the company flourishing, the brothers earned a reputation for avarice. One industry in-joke went, "What do you get if you drop a penny between the Scott brothers? A metre of copper wire!"

In 1973, Ridley made a commercial for Hovis Bread, featuring a boy pushing a bicycle, its basket stuffed with loaves of fresh bread, through the cobblestoned streets of an English village, set to Dvořák's "New World" Symphony. It was "Boy and Bicycle," with existential dread swapped out for nostalgic warmth. (Tagline: "As good for you today as it's always been.") In 2006, it was voted Britain's favorite advert of all time. Both brothers were part of a wave of rock-star British ad directors, many of whom would become feature filmmakers, including Alan Parker ("Midnight Express") and Adrian Lyne ("Fatal Attraction"). But Ridley, approaching forty, was impatient to get his movie career going. He developed a project with the Bee Gees, but they didn't want to sing on film, and the project collapsed. When Parker landed his first movie, "Bugsy Malone," produced by the former adman David Puttnam, Scott was so envious that he couldn't sleep.

After "Bugsy Malone" played at Cannes, in 1976, Paramount asked Puttnam if he knew anyone else like Parker. He did—Ridley Scott, who had two potential screenplays. The first, about the Gunpowder Plot of 1605, would cost $2.2 million. The second, "The Duellists," a dark comedy based on a Joseph Conrad story about the madness of competition, would cost $1.4 million. "I'll take that one," the Paramount executive said. After making his first film, Scott recalled, "I thought, Blimey, that was easy." At Cannes in 1977, "The Duellists" was nominated for the Palme d'Or and won the prize for the best début film.

By then, Scott had divorced his first wife, Felicity Heywood, a painter he'd met in art school and the mother of his sons. In 1979, he married the advertising executive Sandy Watson, with whom he had a daughter, Jordan. (He's now married to the actress Giannina Facio, who played the wife of Russell Crowe's character, Maximus, in "Gladiator.") All three children have become filmmakers, and all are partners in the family business. I mentioned the "Succession" vibes at the company to Jake. He laughed and replied, "It's been said." A few years ago, he was at a restaurant in London when Brian Cox, who played Logan Roy, walked in. "My friend was, like, 'Oh, your dad's here!' "

The three children were raised by Watson, and when they were young Scott was subsumed with work, spending evenings laboring over his Ridleygrams. In the seventies, the family lived in a mock-Tudor town house on Wimbledon Common, which Ridley designed with the exactitude he devoted to his sets. Jake recalled a conservatory with a checkered floor and a kitchen with no right angles. Both boys appeared in their father's and uncle's commercials; Luke remembered stuffing his mouth with Cadbury chocolate. In "The Duellists," they play aristocratic boys in breeches and pageboy haircuts, and Jake asks a character played by Keith Carradine if he's ever talked to Napoleon.

The boys saw less of their father as he made trips to Hollywood to drum up films. He developed an idea about Tristan and Isolde, but that fizzled in May, 1977, when Puttnam brought him to see "Star Wars" at Mann's Chinese Theatre. "It was beyond a crazy football crowd," Scott recalled. He hadn't been much interested in science fiction but was seized with a need to top George Lucas. "I couldn't sleep for a week. I said to David, 'Listen, I don't know why I'm doing Tristan and Isolde.' He said, 'Think of something else.' "

So he did "Alien." Scott was engrossed with how it would look. He wanted the spaceship to feel claustrophobic, arguing a producer into lowering the ceilings. He was frustrated that the audience wouldn't be able to smell the creature, which he imagined had a horrible stench. For the chest-bursting scene, he said at the time, "We wanted to do something so outrageous that no one would know it was coming." Kubrick, whom he idolized but had never met, later called him to ask how the hell he had pulled it off. At a preview screening in Dallas, women ran to the bathroom to vomit, and an usher fainted in the aisle. Scott was thrilled.

"Alien" turned Scott into a bankable studio director, but he was entering perhaps his darkest phase. In 1980, his brother Frank died, at forty-five, of melanoma. "I was going through a nervous breakdown and didn't know," Scott told me. "I've always been very rational, and death is irrational. It became a nightmare to go to bed, because I'd walk the floor for nine hours." He was attached to direct "Dune," but shooting was at least two years off, and he was restless. Instead, he returned to an idea he'd rejected, an adaptation of Philip K. Dick's sci-fi novel "Do  Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" As he sketched out the world that became "Blade Runner," what emerged was doom: a future of endless rain, perpetual night, environmental ruin, and technology that blurred the line between human and machine to a vanishing point.

The "Blade Runner" shoot was notoriously fraught. The first day, for a scene set in a corporate ziggurat, Scott looked through the lens and saw that the building's columns had been installed upside down. Paul Sammon, who was embedded on set and chronicled the film's making in his book "Future Noir" recalled, "Within the first few weeks, I felt this radical shift in his personality. I saw him go from being fairly personable to being a screamer." Scott was unaccustomed to American union rules, which prevented him from operating his own camera. He sat in a video-playback booth, which isolated him from his unhappy star, Harrison Ford; the two men could never agree whether Ford's character, Deckard, was a man or a "replicant."

Midway through, the Guardian ran an interview in which Scott said that he preferred British crews, because he could give them orders and they'd say, "Yes, guv'nor!" The crew printed up T-shirts that read "yes guv'nor my ass!" Scott and his British compatriots tried to quell the insurrection by wearing T-shirts reading "xenophobia sucks." The budget ran two million dollars over. The final days were a frenzy, with the last scene—Rutger Hauer's moody android death—shot against the last sunrise to dawn before Scott's cameras would be taken from him. In postproduction, Scott was fired—twice—but worked his way back. When preview audiences expressed confusion, Scott, against his better judgment, added a voice-over and a happy ending in which Deckard and his android paramour flee Los Angeles; Kubrick gave him helicopter footage left over from "The Shining."

"Blade Runner" came out in June, 1982, two weeks after "E.T.," which synched better with the sunny Reagan era than Scott's bleak dystopia did. Kael wasn't its only detractor; another critic wrote, "I suspect my blender and toaster oven would just love it." After making six million dollars on its opening weekend, the film all but disappeared. Although it grew into a cult classic and became a touchstone for such filmmakers as Christopher Nolan and Denis Villeneuve (who directed the 2017 sequel), Scott still speaks of "Blade Runner" with an ache. Asked what it taught him, he sounded like a defiant general routed by an undeserving enemy: "I learned that the only opinion that matters, when all is said and done—even with failure in your face, and you're lying on the mat, crushed—is, What did you think of it?"

Just as Napoleon had Versailles, Scott maintains his own seat of power in the French countryside: Mas des Infermières, a winery in Provence, situated in a hilly patch of the Luberon region dotted with cypress and olive trees. Scott bought the property, with eleven hectares of vines, in 1992, after he made "Thelma & Louise." He was eager to tell me that it once belonged to General Baron Robert, a health officer in Napoleon's Army.

The day before I met him there, on a cloudless morning in October, his son Luke told me about the house: "It's the sacred space, the mental palace. Everything within is the construct of this person who thinks visually. You'll go, 'Holy shit, this place is beautiful!' But it's not accidental that it's that beautiful, because it's him pitting himself against nature itself. He is Canute sitting on the shores of England, shouting at the ocean, 'I command you to get back!' It's like all of his movies virtually encapsulated, with the waft of the curtains and the drift of the pollen and the mist."

I found Scott not in the house but in a building that he constructed on the property in 2019, with a wine cellar, a tasting kitchen, and a gift shop. The outside is faux-rustic, capped with terra-cotta roof tiles. The inside is sleekly modern, with concrete floors, a steel staircase spiralling down to the cellar, and movie memorabilia everywhere. Next to a table with wineglasses and spittoons were four spacesuits, from "The Martian," "Prometheus," and "Alien: Covenant." The mise-en-scène: Cézanne meets Planet Hollywood.

Scott sipped an espresso at a café table, beside the bicycle that Adam Driver rode in "House of Gucci." He wore a dark T-shirt, trousers, and a plastic watch the color of a traffic cone (a pop of orange). "If I come here, I find that I can sit and think and draw," he said. He showed me a print of one of his oil paintings, of a mesa in Spain that he had spotted shooting "Exodus." He put on a tan fedora and led me through the back door, to an expanse of fields. "This place is bloody heaven!" he said. "My vineyard goes way across. See those cypress trees? I go beyond that." He hadn't paid much attention to his vintner's work until his reds began winning prizes in Paris. "So far, I'm just losing money like crazy, but it doesn't matter. It's a pleasure."

In 2006, Scott made the Euro-kitsch screwball comedy "A Good Year," in which Russell Crowe plays a London financier who inherits his uncle's vineyard in Provence and learns to appreciate the good things in life. It was filmed eight minutes away. "Russell was damaged goods—he'd thrown the phone in the Mercer Hotel," Scott recalled, referring to a tabloid incident from Crowe's post-"Gladiator" bad-boy period. "In the morning, I see him in handcuffs. I went, f**k! 'The phone stopped ringing,' he said. 'No one's calling!' And I said, 'O.K., I got a film.' That's how it began. I got him back on his feet. He'll never admit that." (Indeed, a representative for Crowe disputed this account.)

Back inside, past the spacesuits, Scott showed me a hall full of huge stainless-steel wine tanks, each with a blackboard indicating the variety. A circular window above a pair of barn doors was inspired by a monastery in Narbonne where he'd filmed part of "The Last Duel." "It's a church," Scott whispered, taking in the quiet and the pleasant, vinous aroma. "The standards in France are rigid. You can't force aging. You can't add sugar. I find Californian wine way too sweet—you get drunk off one glass." Scott illustrates all of his wines' labels. In the gift shop, he tapped on a bottle of red, showing two dogs howling at the moon. "I thought all the wine should be about health, fun, sex, dogs," he said.

A tasting group was coming in, so he led me down the staircase, warning, "I've got dodgy knees—too much tennis." (Arthur Max told me that Scott had injured his knee operating a camera on "G.I. Jane" but "blames it on tennis, which is more glamorous.") In the cellar were rows of barrels aging the best of the reds, plus more movie artifacts: a sword from "Kingdom of Heaven," his 2005 Crusades epic; a miniature of the Colosseum, from "Gladiator"; a chain-mail suit worn by Oscar Isaac in "Robin Hood"; a plaster alien head. "This shit is museum quality," Scott said, stopping in front of two Napoleon uniforms. He picked up a gilded scimitar, with the inscription "recte faciendo neminem timeas." "I was never good at Latin," Scott said. (It means "In acting justly fear no one.")

He asked an assistant for another espresso. He'd been busy. After finishing the extended cut of "Napoleon," he started storyboarding the Western; he showed me pages of Ridleygrams, featuring a snowy fight scene. With sag-aftra and the studios back in negotiations, he was preparing to pick up "Gladiator 2," which stars Paul Mescal, the moment the strike was resolved. "I could shoot on Monday," he said. (The talks fell apart a week later.) In the meantime, he'd been polishing the ninety minutes he had, including a scene in which the hero fights a pack of baboons; he'd been haunted, he said, by a video of baboons attacking tourists in Johannesburg: "Baboons are carnivores. Can you hang from that roof for two hours by your left leg? No! A baboon can."

I asked why he wanted to make a "Gladiator" sequel, and he gave a practical answer: the first one made a lot of money. But, as he described the new film, his thoughts turned toward immortality. In the first "Gladiator," there's a recurring shot of Maximus' hand grazing the tops of wheat stalks in a field, which we come to realize is the afterlife. Scott had captured the image spontaneously, when he saw Crowe's body double walking through a wheat field in Umbria, smoking a cigarette. "Do I believe in immortality?" Scott asked, unprompted. "I'm not sure."

I thought back to something that Luke had told me the day before. "In each movie, there is always a character who I think is Ridley," he'd said. "They tend to be quite peripheral, almost observers. It's the one with a darker humor, the one who is, perhaps, more divisive. The one who has the agenda." He thought of Guy Pearce's character in "Prometheus," an eccentric billionaire who longs for immortality, or of Tyrell, the corporate wizard from "Blade Runner." In "Gladiator," it's the trainer played by Oliver Reed who advises Maximus, "Win the crowd and you'll win your freedom." "In 'Napoleon,' " Luke said, "it's Napoleon."

I asked Scott if he was all these people, and he chortled. "No!" he said. "Oh, dear." But he does see "winning the crowd" as his job description. "I have to," he said. "There's nothing worse than doing something where you're thinking, I really got that right—and it fails."

After "Blade Runner," Scott's ability to win the crowd was in doubt. He had kept up his commercial business, directing a series of chic Chanel No. 5 ads inspired by René Magritte. (Chanel's chairman, Alain Wertheimer, had come to him, pleading, "Chanel No. 5 is my flagship perfume. It's only seen as a present for Grandma!") The "1984" Apple ad, which aired during Super Bowl XVIII, became an advertising classic and established the company's image as a nonconformist juggernaut. But Scott's next film, "Legend," a grotesque fairy-tale fantasy starring Tom Cruise as a sprightly woodland boy, bombed. In 1987, he tried his hand at gritty realism, with the noir thriller "Someone to Watch Over Me." It also failed. Tony, meanwhile, directed the back-to-back mega-hits "Top Gun" and "Beverly Hills Cop II." "He was competitive with me, naturally, because I'm the older brother," Ridley said.

His unlikely comeback was Thelma and Louise, in 1991. Scott picked up the script, by Callie Khouri, with the intention of producing it. After four directors turned him down, he was in a meeting with Michelle Pfeiffer, who was unavailable to star but told him, "Why don't you come to your senses and direct it?" Again, Scott was thinking visually. As an outsider in America, he wanted to capture the grandeur of the Southwest: "I felt, I'm doing an odyssey of two women on the last journey, and so the last journey had better be beautiful." The old Route 66 had become industrialized, so he shot in Bakersfield, California. "What he did was put it in an incredibly heroic setting, where John Wayne's films had actually been shot, which I think was really special," Susan Sarandon, who played Louise, later told W. Arriving during the throes of third-wave feminism, the movie was a lightning rod—and a hit. (As a bonus, it gave the world Brad Pitt.)

Then Scott drove his career over a cliff. His follow-up film was the plodding "1492: Conquest of Paradise," starring Gérard Depardieu, of all people, as Christopher Columbus. Even in 1992, post-colonial sentiment was such that Scott's treatment seemed weirdly hagiographic. But he clearly saw himself in the explorer. In one scene, Columbus argues with Queen Isabella's treasurer over the budget for his voyage, like a director haggling with a studio head: "You expect me to take all the risks while you take the profit?"

The rest of the nineties were rough. Scott's next films, "White Squall" and "G.I. Jane," disappointed. He was divorced, again. His company had personnel problems. "He was being pulled in multiple directions," Sammon observed. "He almost dipped below the radar." In 2000, he rebounded with another once-in-a-decade hit, "Gladiator." The movie, critically dismissed as a swords-and-sandals rehash, made nearly half a billion dollars and won the Oscar for Best Picture, though Scott lost the directing prize to Steven Soderbergh, for "Traffic." "You know, I haven't gotten an Oscar yet," he told me. "And, if I ever get one, I'll say, 'About feckin' time!' "

"Gladiator," for better or worse, revived the Hollywood historical epic, along with Scott's career. Instead of face-planting again, he directed two more hits, "Hannibal" and "Black Hawk Down." He was sixty-two when "Gladiator" was released; since then, in a mad sprint, he's directed seventeen movies, many of them grand in scale. In 2017, his film "All the Money in the World," about the kidnapping of J. Paul Getty's grandson, was six weeks from release when its Getty, Kevin Spacey, was accused of sexual abuse. (Spacey denied the allegations and has since been cleared in two trials.) Scott told Tom Rothman, at Sony, that he wanted to reshoot all of Spacey's scenes with Christopher Plummer as Getty. Rothman recalled, "I said, 'Let me tell you absolutely, positively, it cannot be done.' And absolutely, positively, he did it." Plummer was nominated for Best Supporting Actor. In 2021, Scott released the medieval drama "The Last Duel" and the campy "House of Gucci" within weeks of each other.

Jake Scott has a theory about what is driving his father's turbocharged late period: "I think he didn't get to do it early enough." Ridley reminded me twice that he didn't release his first movie until he was forty. "He's watching Spielberg, he's watching George Lucas, he's watching all those guys in their twenties and thirties," Jake said. "Beginning in midlife means that he didn't get to do all those films that he wanted to do." Or maybe, Jake conjectured, it has something to do with what happened to Tony.

One August night in 2012, Scott was in France when his brother called from L.A. Tony had been battling cancer and was recovering from an operation. He'd survived cancer twice before, as a young man, but his earlier chemotherapy had complicated his treatment. He sounded downbeat, so Scott tried to energize him about work: "I said, 'Have you made your mind up about this film yet? Get going! Let's get you into a movie.' " What he didn't know was that Tony was standing on the Vincent Thomas Bridge over Los Angeles Harbor. After hanging up the phone, he jumped. He was sixty-eight.

Scott shut down his offices for days. He dedicated his next film, "The Counselor," to Tony. Then he made another. And another. "Ridley once told me that he has been dogged by deep depression his whole life," Sammon said. "He calls it 'the black dog,' which is what Churchill called it." (Scott's fashion and music-video division is called Black Dog Films.) "He says, 'If I stop, I find myself sinking.' "

Napoleon was just forty-five at the Battle of Waterloo, but David Scarpa, the screenwriter, sees him as a man battling against time. "This sense of infinite possibility that he had when he was younger is gone," he said. Napoleon died six years later, banished and broken.

In 2014, Scott told Variety that he found his brother's suicide "inexplicable." At his offices in L.A., I asked if he still found it so. He didn't. Tony, he explained, was a serious mountain climber. "He'd done El Capitan twice. He would go to the Dolomites. And the operation meant he couldn't climb again. I think climbing was his enthusiasm. It was his mojo." He pointed to a photo on the wall, showing a youngish Tony sitting on a craggy mountaintop, a cliff yawning behind him.

Then Scott drifted into a memory: When Tony was sixteen and Scott was twenty-two, Tony took him climbing in the Yorkshire Dales. "I said, 'Why?' He said, 'Let's see what you're made of.' " The Dales were wet and windy and grim. Scott recalled, "I think, Why am I here? And he's looking around, going, 'Isn't it fantastic?' " Tony tied a rope and scaled up an eighty-foot granite rockface, then called down to his brother, "All right. You come up." Scott started climbing, as Tony clutched the rope from above. "I'm saying, 'This is a bad idea.' He's going, 'Oh, no, I've got you!' In the fog, I said, 'My arms are going!' He said, 'That's because you're holding on too strong.' "

Scott felt himself losing his grip on the rockface. "Tony said, 'Don't peel off!' I said, 'I can't help it!' " Scott let go and spun on the rope, "like a dead spider hanging on the wall," he recalled. As a movie played in his mind of his younger self dangling in midair, all his battles ahead of him, Scott gave a wicked, staccato laugh. "This sixteen-year-old is going, 'I've got you. I've got you.' And then he lowered me down, with his hands burning."

@Ingwar looks like his Western might be up next:

Quote..."reccing"—reconnoitering—locations for a Western.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 06, 2023, 01:52:16 PM
So will the bloody shit scene be in the director's cut?  :laugh:

Seriously, though. Great article.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 06, 2023, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 06, 2023, 01:10:01 PM
Quote..."reccing"—reconnoitering—locations for a Western.

Oh crap, could it finally be?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 06, 2023, 03:09:15 PM
Exclusive IMAX poster:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-QY2QOW0AACeKn?format=jpg&name=large)

Screen X poster:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-QZzt6WcAAMUSX?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-QepXOXkAAGV5d?format=jpg&name=medium)






Also, rather bizarrely:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-QXQvsWsAAI84M?format=png&name=900x900)

Was this before or after this was recorded?

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1721210769289695388

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 06, 2023, 06:16:33 PM
Napoleon Ridleygrams:

(https://media.newyorker.com/photos/65443e01f9309101ece46abb/master/w_640,c_limit/231113_r43360.jpg)

(https://media.newyorker.com/photos/65453d0f6c75cd39ffde442b/master/w_640,c_limit/231113_r43361_rd.jpg)

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 06, 2023, 06:31:04 PM
God, what I wouldn't give for a hardcover artbook collection of Ridleygrams...

EDIT: Also, tickets are on sale today. Haven't grabbed mine yet (gotta wait a little bit for my theater subscription plan to reset) but I'll be getting them as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 06, 2023, 06:52:14 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 06, 2023, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 06, 2023, 01:10:01 PM
Quote..."reccing"—reconnoitering—locations for a Western.

Oh crap, could it finally be?

QuoteAfter finishing the extended cut of "Napoleon," he started storyboarding the Western; he showed me pages of Ridleygrams, featuring a snowy fight scene

I'm quite intrigued at what this could be. Wraiths of a Broken Land or something else?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 07, 2023, 10:50:15 AM
Begun, the "Ridley Scott World, F*ck You Tour" has...  ;D

Ridley Scott Tells Historian Who Called Out 'Napoleon' Errors to 'Get a Life,' Will Say 'It's About Feckin' Time' If He Ever Wins an Oscar (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/ridley-scott-napoleon-historical-fact-checkers-1235781258/)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Nov 07, 2023, 01:37:27 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 06, 2023, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 06, 2023, 01:10:01 PM
Quote..."reccing"—reconnoitering—locations for a Western.

Oh crap, could it finally be?

What are you alluding to?  :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 07, 2023, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: nanison on Nov 07, 2023, 01:37:27 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 06, 2023, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 06, 2023, 01:10:01 PM
Quote..."reccing"—reconnoitering—locations for a Western.

Oh crap, could it finally be?

What are you alluding to?  :)

Just him getting to make a Western in general; he's wanted to forever.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 07, 2023, 04:20:30 PM
Less than 24 hours into his F*ck You Tour, and Riddles already have a lot of people hot under the collar.  ;D

https://twitter.com/hjsedits/status/1721919994986963227
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 07, 2023, 06:40:21 PM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1721950647195406681
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 08, 2023, 08:31:24 AM
"Get a life" guy having a laugh with Ridley:

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1722026141471629413

Press screenings of Napoleon starting today. There will probably be a review embargo until everyone's seen it, but hopefully there will be some early reactions.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 08, 2023, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 03, 2023, 09:15:52 AM$130M for an epic movie like Napoleon? That's cheap. For comparison Killers of the Flower Moon's budget was $200M.

Deadline says $130m, Variety says $200m.

(https://media.tenor.com/r2uF-43qkZYAAAAC/im-so-confused-c3po.gif)

Quote from: World of ReelNapoleon' Cost $200 Million

There's been a lot of talk about this being the year that Apple legitimizes itself as a movie studio. This has been an important last few months for their film division.

Unlike Netflix, they're actually giving their titles 45-day theatrical rollouts. To attain this legitimacy, they've also teamed up with A-list directors and given these ridiculously high budgets.

Variety is now reporting that not only did Apple/Scorsese's "Killers of the Flower Moon" cost $200 million to make, but so did Matthew Vaughn's "Argyle" and Ridley Scott's "Napoleon." This means that Apple spent $600 million on just these three movies.

Wait ... "Argyle" cost $200 million?! Isn't Apple dumping this movie in February? Who gives Matthew Vaughn this much money to make a non-IP movie? Clearly, Apple does. It won't get them any awards but they're hoping it becomes a hit — which I'm too sure about.

As for "Napoleon," based on the trailer, the film does look like it cost $200 million. It's currently tracking to have a domestic opening weekend of around $24 million.

As I've mentioned before, I don't think Apple cares about shelling out this much money — the company makes an average of $1 billion in profits every day. They greenlit 'Killers' and 'Napoleon' for prestige and awards. 2024 looks like it'll continue that trend.

Next year, Steve McQueen's WWII epic "Blitz" will be Apple's big contender. They're also producing Scorsese's potential next film, "The Wager."

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/11/7/6lc86tnmpr7t52f2oyam00cqjj29qy
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 08, 2023, 07:04:45 PM
$200m sounds more legit.

Apple makes $1 billion profit every day? Insane. 200 million is like nothing for them.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 08, 2023, 10:15:34 PM
I'm gonna be out of town when this releases, but I'll make time for it after for sure.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 09, 2023, 06:34:58 PM
Democracy, Napoleon style.

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1722660327475867997

This scene might also be one of Ridley's "inventions". Wasn't in his biography.

Phoenix would probably now be able to promote the picture. Just in time.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 10, 2023, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: The WrapJoaquin Phoenix to Attend 'Napoleon' Paris Premiere in Post-Strike Return to Normal for Red Carpets
Vanessa Kirby is also scheduled to attend the soiree.

"Napoleon" is ready to conquer again.

The upcoming Ridley Scott action epic, from Apple and Sony, will host its world premiere on Tuesday, Nov. 14 at the Salle Pleyel in Paris, and it will be the first film premiere since the strike ended to have a full roster of actors in attendance, aside from the few that received interim agreements from SAG-AFTRA like "Priscilla" and "The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes.

https://www.thewrap.com/napoleon-premiere-joaquin-phoenix-vanessa-kirby-strike/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 10, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
First official clip released. It's not available on YouTube yet, but I will update this post when it is:

https://twitter.com/Fandango/status/1722977654721204675



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X45DbrvWCyc
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Nov 10, 2023, 03:37:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wgLp3aAWAY
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 10, 2023, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Nov 10, 2023, 03:37:07 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wgLp3aAWAY

Thanks!


:laugh:

https://twitter.com/thehistoryguy/status/1722948052485283962




Vive la'France! Pity it's the iffy poster though...  :-\

https://twitter.com/histoiredenapo_/status/1722977904198394091
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 10, 2023, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 10, 2023, 03:30:04 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X45DbrvWCyc

That was a quick battle ;D

Somehow I don't feel it. Seems rushed.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 11, 2023, 07:50:09 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 10, 2023, 09:55:33 PMThat was a quick battle ;D

Somehow I don't feel it. Seems rushed.

Yeah, although the battles in The Last Duel were also very truncated affairs. Lots of battles and limited run time I guess.  :-\

Love the underwater shots, one reminds me of the engineer in Prometheus falling into the water.

Also a bit of a taste of the soundtrack in that clip which sounds promising.

Quote'Napoleon' Composer Martin Phipps On Getting Into The Head Of An Outsider – Sound & Screen Film

When creating a score to fit the nuanced humanity of the man on a brutal warpath, composer Martin Phipps had quite the challenge. It only became that much more complex when he reached out to director Ridley Scott, who offered him no specifics on a musical theme.

"He's a super smart guy, and he talks about other things, but getting him to talk about the music was quite hard. I didn't get many conversations with him," Phipps told Deadline onstage at the Sound & Screen: Film concert event. "But when he did talk about [the score], he was really talking about the character and not being prescriptive about the music. [He didn't say], I want this kind of piece, I want strings or horns."

But what Scott lacked in musical specificity, he made up for in getting Phipps to at least understand where Napoleon was coming from before and during his rise to the French throne, the focus of the Columbia Pictures and Apple Original Film movie that stars Joaquin Phoenix and hits theaters November 22.

"[Scott wanted me] to understand that Napoleon was a character and that he was an outsider. He wasn't a polished aristocrat like many of the officers were in the army, and that's, in fact, why he escaped the guillotine because he was a low-ranking aristocrat. And he wanted me to represent that in music," Phipps said. "He wanted the sense that [Napoleon] was not a super popular guy; he was just a relatively simple, straightforward guy. He was a bit of a fighter. So, we went with something simple, something almost like a gangsters-type level of tune. We use trumpets and a simple waltz. We got into his head a little bit."

Phipps also talked about how he tracked down a centuries-old piano that Napoleon previously owned for the score.

https://deadline.com/2023/11/napoleon-composer-martin-phipps-on-music-1235599885/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 11, 2023, 05:30:00 PM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1723385102858899466
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Nov 12, 2023, 01:46:50 AM
Maybe it'll be like Gladiator set hundreds of years later, with music video effects.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 12, 2023, 04:04:04 PM
Ridley's F*ck You Tour(TM) continues...

New interview with The Times, but the bloody thing is bloody paywalled!  >:(

https://twitter.com/JonathanDean_/status/1723640740989882617
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 12, 2023, 04:43:04 PM
But what about Ridley's own two superhero movies – Alien and Blade Runner?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 12, 2023, 04:46:24 PM
I would argue they are more comic book (Moebius) movies rather than superhero movies.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 12, 2023, 05:06:36 PM
Didn't he also call Gladiator a superhero movie in that one interview?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 12, 2023, 05:24:22 PM
F*ck You Tour 2021

Quote...the best films are driven by the characters, and we'll come to superheroes after this if you want, because I'll crush it. I'll f**king crush it. They're f**king boring as shit.

Their scripts are not any f**king good. I think I've done three great scripted superhero movies. One would be Alien with Sigourney Weaver. One would be f**king Gladiator, and one would be Harrison Ford...

They're superhero movies. So, why don't the superhero movies have better stories? Sorry. I got off the rail, but I mean, c'mon. They're mostly saved by special effects, and that's becoming boring for everyone who works with special effects, if you've got the money.

https://deadline.com/2021/11/ridley-scott-house-of-gucci-lady-gaga-adam-driver-the-last-duel-oscar-season-1234872529/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 12, 2023, 05:30:21 PM
Not Deckard, Harrison Ford.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 12, 2023, 08:06:57 PM
He hasn't done anything about superheroes, but the man has done almost everything.

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 12, 2023, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 12, 2023, 04:04:04 PMRidley's F*ck You Tour(TM) continues...

Ridley is a loose cannon :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Mala'kak on Nov 13, 2023, 09:48:13 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Nov 10, 2023, 03:37:07 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wgLp3aAWAY

Nice!I take it this is the footage which was shown earlier this year?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 13, 2023, 09:56:45 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 12, 2023, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 12, 2023, 04:04:04 PMRidley's F*ck You Tour(TM) continues...

Ridley is a loose cannon :)

Studio execs while Ridley is out "marketing" their new movie:

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Rudiger on Nov 13, 2023, 10:05:11 AM
He seems to be stuck in a loop, making the same film over and over.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 13, 2023, 04:11:51 PM
Presumably a gentler, more polite kind of promotion:

https://twitter.com/vkirbyonline/status/1724071082871656836

https://twitter.com/vkirbyonline/status/1724071244864069927

Napoleon premieres:

November 14 - Paris
November 16 - London
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 14, 2023, 08:17:34 AM
New shots here and there:

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1724200474134426013

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1724155175269511510
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 14, 2023, 12:11:32 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 14, 2023, 01:45:20 PM
New interview with Ridley by French Inter but YouTube Translation has been disabled so I can't make out f*ckall what they're saying:  >:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7jUjx5Qlao
Press screenings have started:

https://twitter.com/MaximeChao/status/1724351511634047453

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 14, 2023, 02:24:06 PM
I you listen carefully you can hear what Scott is saying.

Today's Paris premiere.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 14, 2023, 02:42:19 PM
High quality clip (albeit in Deutsch)  of Napoleon's coronation that was previously shown at Deadline's Contenders event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZVp5UpIJM


Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 14, 2023, 02:24:06 PMI you listen carefully you can hear what Scott is saying.

Today's Paris premiere.

That was quite a mild interview. No f*ck you's? What's going on?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Nov 14, 2023, 03:07:57 PM
Embargo lifts at 7pm ET tonight!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 14, 2023, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 12, 2023, 04:04:04 PMRidley's F*ck You Tour(TM) continues...

New interview with The Times, but the bloody thing is bloody paywalled!  >:(

QuoteSir Ridley Scott says health is 'far more important' than winning an Oscar

Sir Ridley Scott fears it's too "late" for him to win an Oscar and he's decided his health is "far more important".

The 85-year-old 'Blade Runner' director has yet to take home a coveted Academy Award despite spending more than 30 years in the movie industry, but he's adamant there are more important things in life to worry about than whether he's going to win a trophy for his work.

He told the Sunday Times newspaper: "We'll it's a bit late for me [to win an Oscar]. I care more about being well enough to cope with what I'm doing, so my health is far more important than a f****** gong."

The director then added: "I did get a knighthood though."

When asked if he worries about his own mortality as he reaches his mid-80s, Scott replied: "No, I don't think about it. I get up in the morning and say: 'Ah great! Another day of stress'."

Scott is heading back to cinemas this month with the release of his new historical epic 'Napoleon' which stars his 'Gladiator' actor Joaquin Phoenix as the French military commander.

The film has already prompted criticism from some historians over its portrayal of events, with Scott even publicly hitting back at TV expert Dan Snow after he posted a video on TikTok breaking down the film's inaccuracies after watching the trailer.

Snow explained: "I love historical epics. I love Ridley Scott. But if you're watching this movie, it ain't a documentary ," and the director retorted: "Get a life."

Scott now says he has no time for nitpicking from experts.

He said of the film: "Like all history, it's been reported. Napoleon dies them, 10 years later, someone writes a book. Then someone takes that book and writes another book and so, 400 years later there's a lot of imagination [in history books]. When I have issues with historians, I ask: 'Excuse me, mate were you there? No? Well, shut the f*** up then'."

https://www.news-graphic.com/lifestyles/entertainment/sir-ridley-scott-says-health-is-far-more-important-than-winning-an-oscar/article_c25f24d7-b16a-542b-a8a7-c42c1ae9c9c9.html

Quote from: Ridley Scotymy health is far more important than a f****** gong

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 14, 2023, 04:27:28 PM
QuoteThe director then added: "I did get a knighthood though."

:laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 14, 2023, 04:58:39 PM
Oscars are irrelevant.


QuoteDEADLINE: You've gone back and made directors cuts from films like Blade Runner and Kingdom of Heaven and most say your vision is the best one. In your deal with Apple, you will put out a long version of Napoleon. Most directors will do it once, at usually longer length.

SCOTT: It felt like it saves you a lot of turmoil to say, all right, here's the one that we're going to put out in the theaters, but eventually I want to show you my whole vision of Napoleon. Something else comes in to that equation, which I put under the heading of the bum ache factor. How long can you sit in a theater beyond two and a half hours, before you start to get uncomfortable? Three and a half or four hours? It has to be awfully good for you to tolerate three and a half hours. Inevitably the large part of the audience are not going to go for that. And that will get around. So you'll pay the price, when your movie peters out more quickly. You can sit there for two hours and 23 minutes. I'm not meant to talk about the long version here, but I'll just say you come across when you're cutting. Your first assemblage is 4 hours, 15 minutes. Can I get stuff out of that easy? You take out story, scenes, and so here, once this goes out in the cinema ... there's be moments where you bend. It's great the platforms can show the long version. Kingdom of Heaven, I removed 17 minutes and shouldn't have, which was the dilemma of the Princess of Jerusalem who discovered her son had leprosy. So that took that whole story sideways, and ate up 17 minutes of the movie. But to me, it just made the movie more meaty. And I removed it to get the story flying, and I regret it. But now I watch it and I think, wow, that's good. Pretty good.

https://deadline.com/2023/11/ridley-scott-napoleon-gladiator-2-joaquin-phoenix-interview-1235600742/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 14, 2023, 06:40:28 PM
Mega Ridley Scott interview:

Quote from: DeadlineEXCLUSIVE: Ridley Scott unveils Napoleon today at a lavish world premiere in the 2,500-seat Salle Pleyel concert hall in Paris. He is 85 but seems ageless, and Scott is already plotting to quickly resume production on Gladiator, the second installment of his film that won five Oscars including Best Picture. He's got 90 minutes of footage, fully edited, and needs that much more. He expects to be shooting within two weeks, and he's already got his next movie slated for around March. Though he is keeping the details to himself, he acknowledged it's period, with a script like perfectly distilled liquor, and two stars ready to join him in what he said is a bucket list project for him.

It's tough to keep up with Scott, the master visualist who is most comfortable making a movie, or dreaming up the next one. Interviewing Sir Ridley is a bucket list item for any journalist, because he's so honest and playfully ornery, and because you never know what he'll say. Like the time we spoke for The Martian. It came out around the time that JJ Abrams revived Star Wars, and after asking Scott if George Lucas' first one made an impression, he told a now oft-repeated tale of how he saw the film in a theater with his Tristan and Isolde producer David Puttnam, and was so angry Lucas got there first that he told Puttnam he couldn't make his film. He wanted to go to space, and that led to Alien. Scott is also quite honest about the slings and arrows accumulated along the way. Buckle up.

DEADLINE: Now that the strike is finally over, how quickly can you get your Gladiator sequel back on track?

RIDLEY SCOTT: Couple weeks. Thank God it's over. We shot about 90 minutes, at least that's finished. It's really getting the sets cleaned up, they're already built. I got another 90 minutes to go.

DEADLINE: Presumably you couldn't talk with your actors during the strike. How did you protect against the possibility your gladiators have porked up over the last half year?

SCOTT: None of my guys do that. Paul Mescal is really very fit and stays that way. I haven't seen the other ones yet, so I hope they're not porked up.

DEADLINE: I have heard Denzel Washington has been working out hard. You had him in a badass turn in American Gangster....

SCOTT: That is his thing. I think it's his manner, and obviously he's actually in a bad mood. I think it's just the way he is. He tends to be abrupt. You got to get used to that. But nevertheless, he's quite charming

DEADLINE: You don't seem comfortable at sitting around. What did you do the last half year?

SCOTT: I prepped the film after Gladiator. I have a script finished to the extent that we've already pitched to studios and I've already wrecked it. I used time out to find out where I'm going to do it.

DEADLINE: You've told me 2001: A Space Odyssey was a big influence on your film Alien. Kubrick finished that movie and spent two years trying to make a Napoleon movie. He eventually dropped it for A Clockwork Orange. How did you pull it off when he could not?

SCOTT: Mine has nothing to do with Stanley. I've always admired the French way of life. And from my very first trip down when I was 18 years old with three other buddies, we drove down in this ramshackle car and found a village with rattling chicane and fishing cottages. It was called St. Tropez, about 20 years before Bridget Bardot. I lay in the sun, enjoying the best French food I could afford, which was steak frites and dodgy wine. I lay on the beach and slathered myself with olive oil, roasting myself, and I had the worst sunburn I've ever had in my life. So I've never forgotten the French summers. And as I developed into being a successful commercial director, I loved Paris so much that I had an office there. I got deeper and deeper into the French history and their national awareness of who and what they are. My first film was about Napoleon Bonaparte, even though he wasn't in it. That was The Duellists. It won a prize at Cannes, and from that was the kickstart to my career. That always stayed with me. I was in a place called a beautiful area, in France, the Dordogne. Years later, I did The Last Duel there, shooting less than five kilometers from where I did my first movie. In that time, I thought, let me do the greatest Frenchmen in history called Napoleon Bonaparte.

DEADLINE: Your Napoleon, Joaquin Phoenix, was quoted likening Napoleon to Hitler and Stalin. Napoleon spilled a lot of blood on the battlefield, but there isn't a record of genocide. Do you agree with his assessment?

SCOTT: I think I compared him, and it was a quote taken out of context about who one would compare Napoleon to over history. I started with Charlemagne, and Alexander the Great, and Marcus Aurelius. Marcus Aurelius became very philosophical in his later years because I think as a human being, it probably came from guilt from the devastation he'd created around Europe to take it over and make the Roman Empire what it was. If you don't think there was mass killing, you're naive. So any great leader is going to be involved in killing.

There are 400 books on Napoleon. People say, which book do you read? I said, are you kidding? I as a child looked at pictures. When you look at [Jacques-Louis] David, some of the paintings done of Napoleon at the time. David was like taking a plate photograph nine feet tall of Napoleon and Josephine as they were ordained, you look at that in the cathedral, you see the audience and you can get a history lesson from the painting, right there.

So the 400 books are reports on report, on report. When probably only the original made sense, maybe written 15 years after Napoleon's death. The next book, say 10 years later, already is writing on the first book probably is being critical, therefore is adjusting and romancing the stone a little bit. So by the time you get to the 399th book, you've got quite a lot of inaccuracy.

DEADLINE: Joaquin played your villain in Gladiator, and then he went on to win an Oscar playing Joker. What made you see him as your Napoleon?

SCOTT: I'm going to correct you. I saw him as the most sympathetic character of all, in Gladiator. He was a product of neglect, total neglect of a father that he adored. Then finally in the film, the father would say, I'm going to neglect you even further. You will not be the prince of Rome. And then the father realizes in his old age that he needs some form of absolute. So he does something fatal. He kneels before the boy asking for forgiveness. That was fatal because the boy has never seen his father ask for that kind of close discussion. So he suffocates him. So from that moment on, I thought Joaquin was the most sympathetic person during the movie. What he did and what followed, what came out of it, the nature of it had been created by his father.

DEADLINE: I'm going to have to watch that movie again...

SCOTT: You f*cking well better. Marcus Aurelius could not have taken Europe through a benevolence. It's going to be war and steel, and many deaths and devastation. You can't control commanders who are over the hill and far away, and say, do not slaughter these women and kids. None of what happened was benevolent, right? But I think with age Marcus Aurelius felt his own fragility. Commodus was the neglected son, the product of complete neglect. And then to be told, you can't follow me, and here is who will take my place? That is more than a slap in the head. It's terrible. And in those days, particularly when succession was so righteous and expected...

DEADLINE: You're saying that at the end of that movie, both dead bodies in the sand of the arena were victims?

SCOTT: Yes. Maximus and Commodus. Don't forget, Maximus is the person who didn't want it. He wanted to go home. Interesting how things evolve when Marcus Aurelius first meets him, he said, I want you to be ticked, take over, or to be the prince of Rome, surrogate principal Rome. I can't do that. Why not? Because my home, my wife, our kid. Tell me about your home. So then he start telling him about it, and what he's actually talking about is heaven. That's where he wants to be. And so it all worked backwards and some of it wasn't planned. Marcus says, it sounds like a place worth fighting for.

And then Marcus is that day assassinated by his son. Then Russell's character is suddenly told that this has happened and he's not going to join the club and he knows there's a problem. His wife and son are then slaughtered and we see where they're in that avenue of trees where they are coming up to get rid of them. When Russell dies and goes to heaven, we go see the same woman and child; it's the place he described to Marcus.

DEADLINE: With that indelible image of the hand of Maximus, gently touching the field of wheat. How did you come upon that?

SCOTT: Honestly, no. I shot that hand it was the last shot of principal photography. Russell didn't come to Italy, it was his double. The guy was standing there in this field, smoking. I go, get out of the field, are you joking? It was mid-summer, dry. He says, "Oh, sorry man." He walked out [off the field], and did that thing with the hand. I said, "Stop right there. Get the Steadicam."

DEADLINE: You're saying that you were trying to keep Russell's double from lighting the dry wheat field on fire, and stumbled into that image that is one of the most memorable in Gladiator?

SCOTT: We followed the hand, no kidding. It became the catalyst for immortality, or heaven if you like, right there. It was discovered the last day, spontaneously. I consider spontaneity to be essential to what I do, you've always got to be watching. That's not on paper. And so suddenly that becomes the editing room and then the theme happens. The theme is magic, and the hand is magic. Russell didn't come to Italy, that's his double. He said, you'll never use that. I said, I will. When he saw the scene, he groaned. I said, too late, It's shot. I got it, mate. It was, put out that cigarette and get the Steadicam. And don't walk on the wheat.

DEADLINE: Your movies often get sequels, some you've directed and some not. What here interested you enough to direct Gladiator 2?

SCOTT: Well, economically, it makes sense. That always begins there. I thought the [first] film was, as it were, completely satisfactory, creatively complete, so why muck with it, right? But these cycles keeps going on and on and on, they repeat globally for the last 20 years. It started to spell itself out as an obvious thing to do, and that's how it evolved. The hardest thing is getting the footprint right with the writer. There was a very obvious way to go, which was who's the survivor? Well, the survivor could be Connie, Marcus' daughter, but what's even more interesting, and therefore a double whammy, there's the son. Whatever happened to him? It became about that, and that's Paul Mescal. It's 20 years on. That was harder than casting Russell as Maximus, that was more obvious.

DEADLINE: Once you see Russell play that cop in L.A. Confidential, you could see he had the charisma and authority to play Maximus. What about Paul Mescal?

SCOTT: I'm always looking for someone, something new and fresh. I mean, fresh is terribly important. So they're not carrying ... baggage is a terrible word for what they've done before, because it's great stuff, but you will remember he just did this character already. I watched this show called Normal People. It's unusual for me, but I saw one and thought, that's interesting. These actors are really good I watched the whole goddamn show and thought, damn. So this came up at a time when I need a 23 year old, 24 year old to take up the mantle of Lucius. And I just said, you want to do it? He said, yeah. He was about to do Streetcar Named Desire in London.

DEADLINE: What about Denzel?

SCOTT: There's a parallel character, the owner of a business that supplied weapons for the Romans, who supplied the oil when they traveled, who supplied the wine they drink. They wouldn't drink water, they drank wine. When they traveled, who would supply wagons and horses and tack? There had to be the arms dealers of the period; here is a man who already rich from supplying the weapons, the catapults. His hobby is like a racing stable except it's gladiators. He's got a stable of 30 or 40 gladiators. He likes to actually see them fight and it evolves that that's where he came from. He was captured in North Africa, and evolved into a free man because he was a good gladiator. But he hides that because also he's now realizing the potential of his actual power. He's wealthier than most senators, so already has thoughts and designs of the possible idea of taking power from these two crazy princes.

DEADLINE: Back to Napoleon. Why Joaquin?

SCOTT: I'm thinking, who can Napoleon be? Joaquin looks like Napoleon. I didn't say that to him, I didn't want to make him feel too important. I was blown away by his outrageous performance as Joker. I didn't like the way the film condoned violence, celebrated violence. I didn't like that. But he was remarkable, and the fact he'd done that already made him a very good asset to sell the film. Napoleon, I'm also thinking commercial. It could only have been two people and I won't mention the other actor because they may get pissed off.

DEADLINE: You've got incredible battle scenes, especially the ones in Leningrad where you see cannonballs plunging through the ice and soldiers falling through and drowning. You've got all the costumed decadence of the French upper class as Napoleon rises from nothing to the country's leader. How long did all this take?

SCOTT: I shot it in 62 days. Normally it would take you 110, but I discovered in recent years, or actually two years ago, that two cameras are twice as fast, four cameras are four and six and eight cameras are eight times faster. So you're scheduling a scene for the day, and I'll be finished at 11 o'clock.

DEADLINE: The biggest challenge to working that quickly?

SCOTT: Every department has to keep up with the speed that I work. Actors do not want to hear the story of life before each take, and they do not want to actually do nine takes. I got that early on. One major actor, I won't say who, but it was the biggest compliment, he said, boy, I love what you do because you move so quickly. He said, I love two takes.

DEADLINE: Many directors would fear they haven't got the shot, and they repeat over and over...

SCOTT: Well, 39 takes is ridiculous. That hand in hand with using many cameras. You have to know what you are going to do next, and know the geometry of the scene. You've got to walk in the morning knowing exactly what you're going to do so you can position your cameras accordingly. If you don't, it'll be 3 o'clock before your first shot. That's not a good idea.

DEADLINE: You've gone back and made directors cuts from films like Blade Runner and Kingdom of Heaven and most say your vision is the best one. In your deal with Apple, you will put out a long version of Napoleon. Most directors will do it once, at usually longer length.

SCOTT: It felt like it saves you a lot of turmoil to say, all right, here's the one that we're going to put out in the theaters, but eventually I want to show you my whole vision of Napoleon. Something else comes in to that equation, which I put under the heading of the bum ache factor. How long can you sit in a theater beyond two and a half hours, before you start to get uncomfortable? Three and a half or four hours? It has to be awfully good for you to tolerate three and a half hours. Inevitably the large part of the audience are not going to go for that. And that will get around. So you'll pay the price, when your movie peters out more quickly. You can sit there for two hours and 23 minutes. I'm not meant to talk about the long version here, but I'll just say you come across when you're cutting. Your first assemblage is 4 hours, 15 minutes. Can I get stuff out of that easy? You take out story, scenes, and so here, once this goes out in the cinema ... there's be moments where you bend. It's great the platforms can show the long version. Kingdom of Heaven, I removed 17 minutes and shouldn't have, which was the dilemma of the Princess of Jerusalem who discovered her son had leprosy. So that took that whole story sideways, and ate up 17 minutes of the movie. But to me, it just made the movie more meaty. And I removed it to get the story flying, and I regret it. But now I watch it and I think, wow, that's good. Pretty good.

DEADLINE: Theatrical release, big budget, and then your long cut on Apple TV+. Is this how streaming logically fits into moviemaking for artists like yourself?

SCOTT: Well, I think the fact that it's going to be seen at some point is wonderful, full stop. It's a visual book, and people watch this visual book every night. And of course the design of the business plan of platforms saying we don't want cinema, we will bypass DVDs, and all we want is to eat it all up on the TV, that was a bad plan. Thank God it dawned on them, my God, I'm selling out for everything I've done for X number of dollars a month. It doesn't work. I do need the cinema, and there's been a move back to that. And one of the reasons how this got the way it is on big release on cinema, I think I've got 400 Imax and about seven and a half thousand screen is because they realize they better screen it that way with this kind of movie. Then you can always stream later. It's a perfect double whammy for the business, for their business. It's better than isolating your movie only to streaming. That never made sense.

DEADLINE: That was proved out by that Barbenheimer weekend, when there was room for both Oppenheimer and Barbie, two movies that were different except each was so well executed...

SCOTT: Thank God they were. The box office was shaken with Top Gun and Avatar. Jim Cameron takes 13 years on Avatar, but it does $2.8 billion, a good deal. Top Gun: Maverick was $1.2 billion on screens, but that could have gone sideways also with streaming, until Tom said, I'm not going to do any support, no publicity unless it's on screens. There's no way that gross could ever have  ever been equalized on the push button thing. They claim they don't know. Of course they know. Every time anyone press a button. They know. They also know when you switch off. So we had Barbie, which felt more like a musical, and what's good about Chris' film is he takes such a grave subject and does it in an epic way, and he hopes for return. He got the return.

DEADLINE: He projected Robert Oppenheimer as a real Prometheus. With the best of intentions he oversaw the A-bomb, to stop the Nazi scourge because they were building one. By the time it was ready, the Nazis were in the rearview mirror and the Japanese were dug in and not giving up, and it became the most expedient way of ending the war. But it could have ended the world too.

SCOTT: Well, we're not there yet but you've got a lot of atomic devices hanging around, which is very scary. And who is going to be stupid enough to press the button?

DEADLINE: The evolution of Napoleon is fascinating. Starts out this ruffian with superior war skills who becomes savior to France. But when his obsession with conquering Russia to find peace fails, the French make him a pariah. Why didn't Napoleon succeed there?

SCOTT: He misjudged. Hitler should have crossed the channel when he was there, and bizarrely he didn't. I've heard that Hitler didn't cross the channel because he was very much guided by a spiritual entity. A person who was fundamentally stupid, said, don't cross water in September. Napoleon went for Russia bizarrely way too late in the year and it deteriorated into a disaster. For Hitler to make the same mistake as Napoleon seemed to be crazy because Napoleon went out there allowing herself time to return. But he stayed there too long, and in that extra six weeks,  midsummer just disappears. When you start the journey back to 2000 mile on foot and you start late, you're going to meet the Russian winter, and it will kill your ass. And he misjudged it terribly. But taking Russia was personal, an ego trip. I can do anything. He knew what the Russian winter could do, but he didn't want to face it. Now that becomes the danger for somebody like that. He can attain anything, just by his will.

When he was in Moscow, they were there quite awhile and then one evening he saw it starting to burn, and he could not believe the Russians would burn their own capital. To him, it was the ultimate act of courage and ferocity. You're going to have nothing but scorched earth, and you're going to die on the way out because you've left too late. On the way out, farms were burned, no livestock, and it's autumn and you've got no supplies, nothing. They were constantly hit by Russians and Cossacks who could live off the land. They'd eat a wolf, they'd eat each other. He took out 600,000 men. I think they returned with 40,000. That is a massive, massive loss. That Russian trip was a f**king disaster. So he had to be taken away and sent away. They want to get rid of him, but put him in exile but there were too many people in quiet support of him though many were against him. Politics don't change. It's kind of like America, right now.

DEADLINE: What do you mean?

SCOTT: I don't want to get into politics, I've got to be careful, but you have this man there who's in an illusion of his invincibility. I don't want to go deeper into that then that, but he thinks he's invincible. Hopefully, he's not.

DEADLINE: Josephine was his obsession, he craved her as much as taking ground in Europe. Then he more or less exiles her because she can't provide an heir for him? Once she was gone, it was like he'd lost his North star. Would he have escalated his campaign in Russia if she was still in his life? She was his Maximus in heaven end, but he went too far and failed. For Josephine, there was safety and some power, being at Napoleon's side. Did she love him?

SCOTT: I think she was always becoming an influence on him, I think. Did she love him initially? I don't think so. By the time they came to the idea, you cannot give me a successor, I have to divorce you...that was kind of tragic. She thinks she's going to be cast out and she's not. She walks away with an estate, two million francs, and I'll visit you went I can. She could not see other men. She did anyway, that's why I had the young Russian prince go in and say, you cannot hide yourself away just because he's no longer with you. The Russian prince was a young, handsome guy who actually was later called the Wolf of Siberia, he evolved as being really ruthless and really brutal. Napoleon knew about them, but I can't believe it would be that personal to the point where he needed to take Russia because the prince may have been bonking. his wife.

DEADLINE: But it's clear those photographs of her and the Russian prince drove Napoleon crazy and the chemistry between Joaquin and Vanessa Kirby is palpable.

SCOTT: You can feel it.

DEADLINE: You make us understand how Napoleon, this guy who was just kind of a thug and a ruffian, would gravitate towards a woman who'd grown up well above his station but lost her wealth and her husband and did what she had to to survive. If she could smooth out this man's ruffian ways, she could be back in high society.

SCOTT: I'm not sure she was that invested in him more that he was invested in her, and that she saw it as a way of her living off his newfound wealth. How long could that last? It could lasted for as long as she was entertaining, put it that way. Was she good in the bedroom? Of course. Would he have ever experienced anything like that? Not at all. She was a very smart woman. I think she was particularly beautiful, but very imposing, physically imposing and powerful. And I think by the time he had become an emperor and she therefore was empress, she had to have adjusted in terms of at least admiration. Is that next to fondness? Is that next to the possibility of love? I think it got to possibility of love, and then he said, we cannot continue, I need a successor. Are you going to give me a child? She said, I cannot, because she'd had years of abortions that were done with sulfur and arsenic, so there's nothing left.

DEADLINE: Sulfur and arsenic?

SCOTT: Oh yeah. The abortion kit would be sulfur and arsenic. There was no real contraception. So women then would adopt methods invented by doctors as to abort. Can you imagine how scary that was?

DEADLINE: We've spoken about the hardships of shooting some of your earlier movies, like having your actor in the Alien costume lug around this headpiece that weighed more than 5 pounds. Will this continued push into AI make that unnecessary. Many look at AI as a threat though. How do you see it? 

SCOTT: You're talking about artificial intelligence as opposed to digital. On artificial intelligence, I hit on two very important AI characters in Alien. There was Ash; having a robot on the ship in the form of a human being was genius. Suddenly there was the shock of that, on top of the alien shock. The alien was shocking, but just as you get used to the alien, oh my God, there's a f**king robot then. AI, you can defeat the greatest chess master in 25 moves, because you can input every move ever recorded, into a computer. It will take four minutes and then it will be ready to beat your ass, beat a chess master in 425 moves, mainly because you can input every move ever recorded into a computer. It'll decipher that in four minutes and then be ready to beat your ass. But what a computer hasn't got is emotion. And will that be the difference? In Blade Runner, we had a computer, Roy Batty [played by Rutger Hauer] that had emotion. That's why he was angry; he was only given four years. Right? Now, I can't claim that was unique and enrich because Stanley Kubrick had Hal and Hal went, oh my God ... to make a machine more important than the crew is fantastic. That's where we're going right now. So Stanley was 40 years ahead of his game. Mine were emulations of that, and not original. We wouldn't have thought about that if it hadn't been for Stanley, I don't think.

DEADLINE: Between the way you used AI and the stories James Cameron told with the Terminator films, these are cautionary tales. Is AI something to be feared?

SCOTT: Completely. Who's in charge of the AI and how smart is the person who's in charge of the AI when he thinks he's controlling something he's not. And the moment you create an AI that's smarter than you are, you'll never know until the AI decides to do its own thing, then you're out of control. If I had an AI box I could say, I want you to figure out how to turn off all the electricity in London. Bam. Everything was dead. That's a f*cking time ... no, it's a hydrogen bomb. The world would close down if I switch it off, and we are all completely f*cked. We're back to candles and matches. Do you have candles and matches at home? I live in France, so I do. 

DEADLINE: Sounds like you've thought this through.

SCOTT: You know I'm a dramatist, so I can't help myself. I think that is what's amazing about Kubrick, he was good at choosing an impossible situation, and the equation around it gradually settled into what it has to be. It's not necessarily really happy. 2001 wasn't a happy ending. I talked to Stanley twice. First time, I'd just done Alien, and the office says, Stanley Kubrick is calling. I said, holy f*ck. He says, hi there. Listen, I just watched your movie. I need to ask you a question and I'll get straight to it. How do you get that thing coming out of his goddamn chest? He said, it scared the s*it out of me. That was the first exchange. I said, well, what I did, put him under the table very impractical, made an artificial fiberglass chest, screwed the table, put a T-shirt on, raised bit so it would break. He said, I got you. I got you. I got you. Next time, I'd just finished Blade Runner. And the film is essentially a film noir. He walks out, you're going to walk away with his love, and on the floor. And there's this origami unicorn. He picks it up and nods. This is a confirmation that he may be a replicant. He goes into the elevator and boom, finished. They f*cking hated it.

They say, you can't do this. We've got to preview it again with a happy ending. I said, why a happy ending? They said, driving into mountains or something. I go, what are you talking about? Why would you live in a city if there was a mountain range just around the corner? You go live in the f**king mountains. They say, we need a preview with a happy ending. I called Stanley, I said, Hey, I know you've just done The Shining last year, and I know you hate flying. You must have six weeks of helicopter footage in those mountains. Can you let me borrow? So I've got 70 hours of footage the next day, and that footage went into the movie. That was Stanley, that was his material.

DEADLINE: Stephen King didn't love what Kubrick did to his book The Shining...

SCOTT: Well, I honestly have to say I thought the book was better. Stanley somehow mucked around with the House, the place and the light, and the book was, I think King's best book.

DEADLINE: You mentioned the gladiator's hand through the wheat field. There are so many indelible images in that from, from the boy on the big wheel going over the carpet and wood floor, the bloody elevator, the twin girls murdered by their father. The author once told me Kubrick would call him at all hours, asking questions like, did he believe in God? Did he believe in evil? You can only imagine how Kubrick's brain worked.

SCOTT: King's book had a much darker and gloomy hotel. The Boiler Room is a monster in the book. All boiler room. are scary as shit. Stanley chose deliberately to go very bright, very modern. And I thought, why? So immediately, it didn't work for me. It made it an uphill battle on what was a very scary book. He didn't really want to get into the shining, where Scatman Crothers says, you shine boy. He didn't really use that enough.

DEADLINE: That was a thankless role Scatman Crothers had, driving all the way to the Overlook in a blizzard to take Jack Nicholson's axe to the chest...

SCOTT: Some great stuff, too. I cast Tyrell in Blade Runner, from the bartender in the ballroom scene [Joe Turkel], the one he talks to there in the bar. He worked with Stanley four or five times. 

DEADLINE: Ever figure out why Alien so haunted Kubrick?

SCOTT: Well, I think part of it is he didn't make movies like I would do, and vice versa. I'd always admired Stanley, from when I was a designer. I was a designer and after Royal College I got a job drawing storyboards. I remember sneaking out at two o'clock one Friday afternoon because 2001 was on just down the road, in 70 mm. So I went in there with my packet of cigarettes because you could smoke in those days, and sat through 2001. The theater was empty. But I walked away mesmerized feeling, this is the threshold of real science fiction and, in essence, science fact. But also it felt real because he'd been working with some guys who had been associated with NASA. So he was in a race with NASA, concerned that NASA was going to beat him to the moon before he finished the movie.

The sets were spectacular. And the most memorable thing about the thing for me was the first time it was a mention of something called a computer, and AI, and that this computer was more important than the crew. I just thought that was incredibly perverse, marvelous idea. That felt logical. So we jumped in later with Alien, and Ash became the humanized version of the box. We stole the idea in that sense, with great respect to Stanley, that Ash was more valuable than the crew.

We'd almost worn out the creature, this marvelous beast that H.R. Giger gave me. You don't want to overuse that. It's a bit like being prudent, and don't show the shark too often. So I was kind of saving Ash for that perfect moment in the story where there's a fight and he gets his head knocked off, and holy moly, he's a robot. I think Stanley was enamored by something about Alien, that it feels real and logical that a mining vehicle coming in from outer space carrying God knows how many dollars of natural phenomena. It's actually what we're going to do today. First guy on Mars is going to be worth a fortune, right?

DEADLINE: Had Kubrick seen his HAL in your Ash character?

SCOTT: Only when I told him. You get two filmmakers together, they just open up and there's nothing pretentious in there whatsoever. That continued when I had the Blade Runner issue and they wanted a happy ending, and Stanley gave me The Shining footage.

DEADLINE: They didn't ask you back for the Alien sequel, which James Cameron directed. It's very different, more of a rollercoaster ride.

SCOTT: Well, Jim is about that, the way he designs, his whole process is The Ride. As I learned somebody else was doing this, I actually had been trying to develop something. When Jim called me up and said, listen...he was very nice but he said, this is tough, your beast is so unique. It's hard to make him as frightening again, now familiar ground. So he said, I'm going in a more action, army kind of was. I said, okay. And that's the first time I actually thought, welcome to Hollywood.

DEADLINE: What was it like to learn about a sequel to your movie when your replacement calls you?

SCOTT: Jim and I talk often. We're not exactly friends, but we do talk and he's a great guy.

DEADLINE: How did you feel after you hung up that time?

SCOTT: I was pissed. I wouldn't tell that to Jim, but I think I was hurt. I knew I'd done something very special, a one-off really. I was hurt, deeply hurt, actually because at that moment, I think I was damaged goods because I was trying to recover from Blade Runner. Which I thought I really got something pretty special, and then the previews were a disaster. And [my cut of] the film lay on a shelf for almost, I think 10 to 12 years after that until it was discovered by accident at a Santa Monica Film Festival. Somebody said, let's dig out the old print and run it for fun. And they called Warners. And with the greatest respect to Warners, they'd lost the f**king negative, which is like, what? And somebody panicked and went into a drawer, yanked up the first can that had Blade Runner on it, never checked it, sent it to Santa Monica.

They ran it. It was a cutting copy with partly Jerry Goldsmith on it, and partly my great musician on it. And it was a copy where we were getting reached to the end of the short strokes and trying to cut and recut to, as it were, save the movie. And this version had no voiceover and had what I call the film noir ending, which is Deckard stares at the origami in his hand, which is a unicorn, nods his head as if to agree and he goes off with his gal. So that got rediscovered. It came right out like a cannon shot, and went everywhere. And of course I know it. I knew it then that it was a very special form of science fiction. It hadn't really been done like that ever and became a kind of copycat benchmark for most of the TV shows and science fictions. I mean, I got the social order of dystopian society really well, and I think that had never been done before. Now it's copied again and again.

DEADLINE: But at the time Cameron called you, that's enough to rattle the confidence of anyone. How did you get yours back?

SCOTT: Did a lot of pushups, play tennis, thrash the shit out of a tennis ball and look at the next movie. And I was already prepping Legend with Tom Cruise, Tim Curry playing the Lord of Darkness, and Mia Sara, who only did a couple of movies and decided no more. What I decided to do was something that ironically Disney hadn't done at that point. And I always thought, why not do a live action kind of cartoon, kind of fairy story, which they didn't go for. And of course, they do it now again and again, 25 years later. But in those days, I made it literally as the fairy story, with very little help from any digital work. I had to build the forest and the makeup on the fairies had to be real made up, makeup applied on the day. It's remarkable. Tim Curry playing the demon...it was a success for me, just great.

DEADLINE: Now you're not so easily wounded, but you just did a lengthy profile in The New Yorker. You had some historian knocking the veracity of your Napoleon trailer on TikTok, and you more or less said, you have the right to tell your Napoleon story and take the narrative license, as long as the audience goes along with you. I saw the movie, and wasn't sure what the complaints were, beyond historical nitpicking. You had the good grace not to dress Napoleon in spandex and give him the power to fly, which perhaps is what people want in this digital age. Does the digital micromanagement trouble you?

SCOTT: You've got three questions. I think we are partly responsible for the, how do I call it, the frustration of the younger generation that goes hand in hand with the confusion of politics, and hand in hand with the devices they have at their fingertips where they can play games all day instead of climbing a f**king tree and go for a swim in the river and even fall out the tree and break a leg occasionally. It's all internalized entertainment. There's this idolization of the superheroes, which really is just a comic strip extension. And from that, it's very difficult to write a comic strip story and carry it out successfully on film. That said, I'm not a superhero fan, even though I used to love the comic strips. I think there's a couple of pretty good Batmans, and that Superman movie by Dick Donner captured the tradition of the comic strip. As we've enlarged upon our capabilities visually, I think funnily enough, everything gets less real and less real. And now it seemed to become an excuse for actors to make a lot of money on the side playing superheroes.

DEADLINE: Every been offered one you were tempted to say yes to?

SCOTT: Yeah, been offered, but just said, no, thank you. Not for me. I've done two or three superhero films. I think Sigourney Weaver's a superhero in Aliens. I think Russell Crowe's a superhero in Gladiator. And Harrison Ford is the super anti-hero in Blade Runner. The difference is, the f**king stories are better.

DEADLINE: That historical criticism of putting Napoleon in Egypt and gets up close with a corpse in a sarcophagus, why did you do that? Was the corpse a Pharoah? 

SCOTT: He wouldn't be Tutankhamun, maybe a less important Pharaoh. They did raids and found and brought back a lot of wonderful artifacts from Egypt, including the needles of Cleopatra that are standing now in Paris. There was a lot of plundering done by Napoleon in those foreign places like Italy, where they took all the fine art out of the cathedral in Milan. I saw this wonderful two paintings. One was of a man sitting on a horse staring at the Sphinx, and it was Napoleon. So I thought I had to have that because no one has done the Egyptian campaign, and the truth. They took it over pretty easily. I think the Egyptians threw in the towel immediately. I don't think there's even any conflict. And so they were able to, let's say, enjoy themselves in Egypt at that particular point. While he was there, they were definitely staring at extraordinary artifacts and decided to take them back to France. And then one of the paintings also was in standing there with a group of elegant officers as the casket is being opened to look at the figure that had been wrapped in bandages for probably 3000 years. I thought, I just had to do it, it was such a beautiful counterpoint of two universes. The modern universe of Napoleon Bonaparte, and the ancient universe of the Pharaoh, a lesser Pharaoh, but nevertheless a Pharaoh. He would've to be important to being embalmed and actually buried in the casket like that.

So what's interesting though, as we were doing it, Napoleon, Joaquin, gets this box to stand on, he took off his hat, put it on top of the casket, and stared closely at the Pharaoh. Then he reached out gently to touch the surface of this skin that looks like brown paper at this point. And the Pharaoh suddenly slipped to one side and gave Joaquin a hell of a shock. But I let it run. And he played with that momentarily, got down off the box, and when I said, cut, he said, did you do that? I said, no, it was an accident. It was fantastic. It scared the shit out of him. I said, no, no, no, I didn't do that.

DEADLINE: That New Yorker piece also had Napoleon's theatrical distributor, Sony Pictures chief Tom Rothman, saying you are reason Joe Biden should rate a second term. You've said you don't want to get political, but how does it feel being cast as a walking, talking advertisement for the U.S. President?

SCOTT: Well, I couldn't quite work out whether it was an insult or a compliment. I guess what he's meaning is Joe has got the old shaky walk, but he's still a walking think tank, man. And if I was Joe, I'd be considering certainly a backup as the vice president because of his age, and that would certainly help things. But I've got a lot of admiration for him, my goodness. You've got 50 years in the Senate and now the oddest tough circumstances. It's got to be the worse time to be president of the United States right now, through Covid and two wars. Jesus Christ.

DEADLINE: Still with that New Yorker piece. You trotted out Pauline Kael's review to show the writer. You got a very flattering profile. Vindication?

SCOTT: Of course. He was a really great journalist, and after all, I'd had that thing framed and hanging behind my desk ever since Blade Runner. It's a reminder, a warning, just when you think you've got it down, you ain't got shit. Just when you think you know everything, you know nothing. So I've always thought of that as a nice warning bell. Making Blade Runner in every possible shape and form was tough, the hardest experience I've ever had in my life. But because I'm being so experienced in advertising, I gave as good as I got. The guy read it and said, yes, she had this reputation of being pretty tough. I said, tough. She scalped me!. And he said, yeah, okay, okay, okay.

DEADLINE: You were so close to your late brother Tony, who became a great director with a style very different from yours. You were partners. What do you miss most?

SCOTT: Partner? Well, I'll go deeper and way back. I was at a very good college, which didn't have a film school. Royal College of Art was excellent, and I eased over to graphic design. This would mean photography and doing. I learned about light meters and printing, and I kind of fancied a career as a fashion photographer, which would be new. I liked that idea of getting into that in the universe because the world is very attractive. And of course you make a lot of money and you meet beautiful women, which is also an attraction.

But my feeling was instead, I need to make a movie. And I was so embarrassed about saying I'd like to be a director. It sounds so ridiculous. I never admitted it. So I kept it secret and I found in a locker at the Royal College of Art, there's a brand new Bolex, I dunno why it was there, this clockwork camera that runs for a minute in 16 millimeter. I went to the guy's head of the department and said to him, listen, we're coming to the holidays. I kind of want to make a movie. And he said, well, you can't borrow it unless you've got a script. I said, alright. So the following midweek, I had written a script and I'd called it, Boy And Bicycle, and I storyboard the hell out of it. Went it back to him and he went, well, okay. And he gave me 65 pounds, which is about $80, the camera and a light meter and a tripod and said, you've got it for a month. Bring it back undamaged and keep it clean. Read the handbook. Right. So I took it up north to go home on a holiday, and my young brother, Tony Scott, was quite the reverse of what he became. He'd stay in bed until noon, and my mother used to go nuts and say, get out of bed. So I woke him up and said, we're going to make a movie and you are going to be in it, and you're going to help me carry the equipment. I've got dad's car. We're going to go to Harley for, I'm going to shoot this movie. And he went, oh no. I said, yes, get out of bed.

So I pulled him out of bed every day for the next month, and he and I went off together, and while I was puzzling over what to do next and waited for the camera sharpening my pencil, staring at the board in the script, he'd be standing there saying, come on, come on. This is boring! I said, go get me a pack of cigarettes and two sandwiches and a bottle of Coke and f**k off. So I give him money, he'd go get the food. But he was in the movie and we finished the film. I edited it willy nilly with great difficulty. And it's now in the archive of the British Film Institute. But what's interesting is it really worked in 16 mm. But the interesting was that Tony and I were creating a lifetime together without realizing it.

DEADLINE: How long did it take for that to change him?

SCOTT: Well, I made the cuts. He's six years younger than me. He's at this private school, and I said, come and have a look. And he was stunned. We had magic. We had a story. He was the person on screen. He was the voiceover, and there was sound of traffic and music and score, and he was blown away from that moment on. He just followed me right through where my career took me. He went to Leeds, our school, then he went to Royal College. By then, there's a film school, and Tony made the best two student films I've ever seen. So that was it. A career in the making for him, standing in the cold in this grim place between Redcar and Seton, where we're making the movie. I miss him, and you are right. We were very close.

DEADLINE: You told a story in that magazine piece about facing death climbing the sheer face of a mountain, and him saving you. Every climb a mountain with him again after that one?

SCOTT: You're f**king kidding? Absolutely not. No. But he would then move on to the Dolomites and then he would do El Capitan twice. My outlet became tennis and he couldn't stand it. I thrashed him at tennis and he couldn't take that. He wouldn't play tennis. I would never go on the El Capitan. I said to him, you're f**king joking. It's 4,000 foot vertical face.

DEADLINE: Your most recent films you made in close proximity, House of Gucci, and The Last Duel. Two fine ambitious movies released as the business was recovering from the pandemic. Neither was a big hit. Any theories on why, and are you at the point where as long as it makes you happy and reflects your vision, that's good?

SCOTT: That's it. That's the answer. If you're a painter, you only settle it one way, that morning, and either I love it or don't love it. And if you don't love it, you're going to come back in four months and look again, and go f**k it, I know what to do now, and you try to change it. That's moviemaking. And at the end of the day, I learned from the Blade Runner review by Pauline Kael, she taught me a lesson. I thought I'd done something very special. And I had. I know Blade Runner is very special. It's evergreen. So many big ideas in there that now people feed off it constantly for other movies. I was very happy with it. I'm not a person with a big head, conceited. I'm not like that. I knew it was tricky, but I knew it was special, very special. And she destroyed me, in four pages. You could not ignore it, and so I was down for awhile. I was wounded, and then later I framed it to keep it in the office to remind me the only thing that matters is, what did I think of it?

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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 15, 2023, 08:19:24 AM
It's a winner!

Quote from: The GuardianNapoleon review – Joaquin Phoenix makes a magnificent emperor in thrilling biopic
Ridley Scott dispenses with the symbolic weight attached to previous biopics in favour of a spectacle with a great star at its centre 5/5

https://theguardian.com/film/2023/nov/15/napoleon-review-joaquin-phoenix-emperor-ridley-scott

Quote from: BBCNapoleon review: Ridley Scott's biopic is 'an awe-inspiring achievement' 4/5

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20231114-napoleon-review-ridley-scotts-biopic-is-an-awe-inspiring-achievement.

Quote from: The TimesThe Times
Napoleon review — all hail Joaquin Phoenix's captivating emperor. 4/5
Paywalled




Quote from: Hey You GuysGenuinely thrilling! Ridley Scott's incredibly precise and masterfully acted film is his finest since Gladiator. The very definition of a must-see film. 5/5

https://www.heyuguys.com/napoleon-review/



Negative review from Variety. No score given.

Quote from: VarietyNapoleon' Review: Ridley Scott Ricochets Between the Battlefield and Bedroom in Bloated Take on French Despot


Quote from: Empire MagazineScott's take on Napoleon is distinctively deadpan: a funny, idiosyncratic close-up of the man, rather than a broader, all-encompassing account. 4/5

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/napoleon-2023/



Quote from: Deadline'Napoleon' Review: Joaquin Phoenix Excels As A Master Of War In Ridley Scott's Psychologically Complex But Brilliantly Staged Biopic

https://deadline.com/2023/11/napoleon-review-joaquin-phoenix-vaness-kirby-in-ridley-scott-psychologically-complex-but-brilliantly-staged-biopic-1235612080/


Quote from: Financial TimesScott brings his A game. The film is a gripping, often delightfully lairy slab of pop history, made with mischief, flash and meticulous craft. 4/5

Paywalled


Quote from: Total FilmNapoleon review: "One of Ridley Scott's best in almost two decades"

These may be issues that the longer cut solves, but even in its already lengthy theatrical form, Napoleon has achieved another resounding victory. 4/5

https://www.gamesradar.com/napoleon-review/


Quote from: The TelegraphNapoleon, review: blunt-force charisma from Joaquin Phoenix in Ridley Scott's dark, epic biopic

Only a true master general could corral a piece of cinema this rolling and rich. 4/5

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2023/11/15/napoleon-review-ridley-scott/


Quote from: ColliderStarring Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby, Ridley Scott's latest is one of his most grandiose projects to date.

Napoleon is a grand film, both in terms of Scott creating a story with a size we've rarely seen from him, and the bold, large choices made by a completely game Phoenix. B+

https://collider.com/napoleon-movie-review/

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 15, 2023, 10:51:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhdxwrlDlr0
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 12:59:16 PM
https://twitter.com/patrickhwillems/status/1724622541686190206

House of Gucci hive rise up. 8)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 15, 2023, 02:54:24 PM
It's still going up and down as reviews come in but not bad so far. The Last Duel was in the 90's at one point.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F--oGZZWgAAXoZH?format=jpg&name=medium)

If the directors cut does for Napoleon what the directors cut did for Kingdom of Heaven this is going to be really epic.

It also bodes well for Gladiator II, since David Scarpa also wrote the script for that and as we know, if Ridley gets a good script he makes a good movie.

Scott's western might also have Scarpa attached and Denis Villeneuve's Cleopatra is also rumoured to have been written by Scarpa.



Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 12:59:16 PM
Quote...it's mostly a comedy about the weirdest little loser in all of Europe

Sounds like the English take on Napoleon.  :laugh:

No wonder all the British newspapers and magazines are raving about the film!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2023, 03:11:03 PM
Bonaparte is Afraid
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 15, 2023, 03:29:09 PM
Just got added to the IMAX near me, so I swapped out my standard ticket for Tuesday for an IMAX one. 8)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 15, 2023, 06:30:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Brian_Tallerico/status/1724582288866849131
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 15, 2023, 09:35:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1724065199122948523
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 15, 2023, 09:40:35 PM
QuoteNapoleon Review: British Filmmaker Makes Laughing Stock of French Emperor
Ridley Scott and Joaquin Phoenix's Napoleon is the unexpected comedy delight of the holiday season, as the pair satirize the little man in a big hat. The French will probably hate it.

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/napoleon-review-british-makes-laughing-stock-french/

They do indeed ;D

QuoteFrench critics pour scorn on Ridley Scott's 'clumsy' Napoleon

(https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Ff87d5948-83c9-11ee-ab78-b8f8e234f1ae.jpg?crop=1600%2C900%2C0%2C0&resize=1500)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/french-critics-pour-scorn-ridley-scott-napoleon-history-errors-vpf3ckvtj
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 15, 2023, 09:42:43 PM
Someone tell them Napoleon wasn't even French.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 15, 2023, 09:44:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eGwuhNUqyo
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 16, 2023, 07:36:05 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 15, 2023, 06:30:06 PMhttps://twitter.com/Brian_Tallerico/status/1724582288866849131

edgelord  :laugh:

(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/SRHrM.gif)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 16, 2023, 08:26:02 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 15, 2023, 02:54:24 PMSounds like the English take on Napoleon.  :laugh:

No wonder all the British newspapers and magazines are raving about the film!

Quote from: Den of GeekThere is the unmistakable sense that this Napoleon is an Englishman's smirking estimation of "the little general" with the big head. The French will probably hate it.

Haven't seen a single negative pommy review yet, the seppos seem divided and Ingwar's already posted what the frogs think. There's probably rioting in the streets of Corsica as we speak...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 16, 2023, 03:34:38 PM
New Ridley Scott interview with Jake Hamilton (mentions his Western again):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Ptrwy0QAk

New short clip:

https://twitter.com/AppleFilms/status/1724923455802650934

https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1724925247525183822

https://twitter.com/SonyPicturesUK/status/1725076240715985087
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 16, 2023, 03:35:40 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 16, 2023, 03:34:38 PMNew Ridley Scott interview with Jake Hamilton (mentions his Western again):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Ptrwy0QAk

AVP Alien jumpscare. :'(
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 17, 2023, 12:57:08 PM
Didn't expect that.

QuoteRidley Scott's 'Napoleon' Secures China Release Date

Ridley Scott's Napoleon has charted a course for China. The big-budget historical epic has locked down a potentially lucrative release date in the country on Dec. 1, according to multiple mainstream Chinese media sources.

Universal's Oppenheimer proved earlier this year that lengthy runtimes and weighty historical subjects are by no means a dealbreaker for Chinese moviegoers, with the period drama earning $61 million, the second-best China total of Christopher Nolan's career behind 2014's Interstellar ($139 million).

Napoleon will get a wide release on Imax in China, as did Oppenheimer.

With much of his classic filmography released long before China was a box-office force, Scott's career-best showings in the country are The Martian (2015), with $94.9 million, and Alien: Covenant (2017) at $45.4 million.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ridley-scotts-napoleon-china-release-date-1235652234/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 17, 2023, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 17, 2023, 12:57:08 PMDidn't expect than.

QuoteRidley Scott's 'Napoleon' Secures China Release Date

Ridley Scott's Napoleon has charted a course for China. The big-budget historical epic has locked down a potentially lucrative release date in the country on Dec. 1, according to multiple mainstream Chinese media sources.

Universal's Oppenheimer proved earlier this year that lengthy runtimes and weighty historical subjects are by no means a dealbreaker for Chinese moviegoers, with the period drama earning $61 million, the second-best China total of Christopher Nolan's career behind 2014's Interstellar ($139 million).

Napoleon will get a wide release on Imax in China, as did Oppenheimer.

With much of his classic filmography released long before China was a box-office force, Scott's career-best showings in the country are The Martian (2015), with $94.9 million, and Alien: Covenant (2017) at $45.4 million.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ridley-scotts-napoleon-china-release-date-1235652234/

Can't wait to see what the Chinese make of it!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 17, 2023, 01:27:20 PM
Yeah, they will cut all scenes with Napoleon as they did with aliens in Covenant ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 17, 2023, 01:33:42 PM
Oh yeah, I remember they cut out most of the Alien scenes as well as Fassbender kissing himself scene.  ;D

Wonder if that was because of the Alien's phallic head shape or the violence?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 17, 2023, 01:41:00 PM
I think it's violence. Somehow one of the most brutal regime in the world is afraid of showing violence on the screen.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 17, 2023, 04:15:49 PM
Three new clips: (likely bootlegs but of reasonable quality)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIW-8ypxpnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urFVsWlgS8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upNLNXVdwVo

QuoteThe @museodelprado and @sonypictures_es join together to present #NapoleónLaPelícula of @Sir_RidleyScott showing #Napoleón walking through the museum rooms looking at the paintings of #Goya that portray that time. A great opportunity to introduce the museum to new audiences

QuoteThis is how Napoleon's walk through the Prado Museum was filmed, meeting "The Family of Charles IV", the portrait of Ferdinand VII and "The Executions" by Goya

https://twitter.com/museodelprado/status/1725474911269880312



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_Ja2vpWMAAdH3t?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1725501540902064379
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 17, 2023, 04:23:00 PM
Janty Yates 8)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 17, 2023, 04:27:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sczp9YVQT0



QuoteNapoleon leaves his mark in Mexico with his hat on the Manacar Tower.
Don't miss #Napoleón in IMAX or other formats, exclusively in theaters this November 23.

https://twitter.com/SonyPicturesMX/status/1725197034544591327
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: happypred on Nov 18, 2023, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 17, 2023, 01:41:00 PMSomehow one of the most brutal regime

How many invasions have they launched recently?How many coups orchestrated or people bombed or droned?

What about unilateral sanctions that hit civilians including children the hardest?

Plenty of brutality goes on around the world...some by countries that parade themselves as democratic
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 18, 2023, 06:07:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiWxwpFyUpI
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 18, 2023, 10:09:59 PM
We might wait for extended cut a bit longer:

QuoteScott denied rumors that a four-hour cut was already being prepared for Apple's streaming platform, saying that was just a possibility "later, in two years' time, maybe..."

https://japantoday.com/category/entertainment/apple's-napoleonic-200-million-gamble
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 19, 2023, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 18, 2023, 10:09:59 PMWe might wait for extended cut a bit longer:

QuoteScott denied rumors that a four-hour cut was already being prepared for Apple's streaming platform, saying that was just a possibility "later, in two years' time, maybe..."

https://japantoday.com/category/entertainment/apple's-napoleonic-200-million-gamble

Scott seemed very certain about that in the original interview. Maybe he realised he'd be undercutting Sony (and his friend Tom Rothman) by saying that. Many people might hold off from going to see it in the cinema if a possibly far superior directors cut is going to be available on Apple's streaming service a month or two later.

Sony might also have Blu Ray distribution rights to the theatrical cut, but again, if a superior directors cut is immediately available on streaming it's going to hurt physical media sales.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 19, 2023, 12:15:25 PM
QuoteEpic Battles Trade Off With Romantic Sparring in Dariusz Wolski's 'Napoleon' Camerawork

Recreating epic battle scenes was just part of the challenge in filming "Napoleon" with director Ridley Scott, says Polish-born cinematographer Dariusz Wolski, who screened the grand-scale biopic at the Camerimage cinematography festival in Poland on Friday.

Getting the realism needed to capture the vast brutality of the Battle of Austerlitz or Waterloo, says Wolski, depends on exhaustive planning and coordination, of course, but also some impressive juggling.

"You're basically creating a huge event. You have army personnel, you have extras trained to behave like soldiers from the 19th century, you have horse people, then we have armor, you have professional effects people, explosions, then you have main characters. You basically design the whole battle."

Keeping track of all of these would be a challenge for even an experienced director, Wolski notes, but in Scott's case, he actually films them all at once – while also ensuring he gets every shot and angle needed for the scene.

"He's basically editing as he's filming," said Wolski, with eight or more cameras filming battles simultaneously, all monitored at the same time. Few other directors he knows of could imagine keeping track of so many angles and compositions this way, Wolski says.

But the method has been honed by Scott, now 84, for years and somehow works for him, the cinematographer explains.

Some CGI effects are incorporated, Wolski told a Camerimage audience, but by and large, the mass soldiers' formations, cavalry runs and cannon fusillades were real, just without lethal ammunition rounds. Effects are used mainly to magnify the scale of the battles by cloning formations of troops, Wolski says, enabling filming with 450 to 500 extras, as opposed to epics of years past, which would have required thousands of extras to get the same look.

But "Napoleon," which opens Nov. 22 in the U.S. and U.K., is about more than meticulously recreated historic battles.

Joaquin Phoenix's version of the emperor is consumed as much by his obsession with the regal and brilliant love of his life, Vanessa Kirby's Josephine, as by the pursuit of victory and glory, making for scenes of growing intimacy – and tension – between the two. They parry for power and dominance, as illustrated by opulent sequences in palace rooms Wolski filmed in wide angle, rich in period details in which sparks fly well beyond bedrooms.

Wolski's approach to capturing the tug-of-war of egos caused by Josephine's passionate spirit but inability to provide Napoleon with an heir was to allow the actors space to improvise on camera, he says. The technique allowed him to film displays of physical aggression trading off with tenderness that were spontaneous – but had to be caught the first time around or lost.

"Very emotional actors, improvising actors" were essential for the scenes, Wolski says.

The story of one of Europe's greatest military strategists and most controversial figures has proven a subject almost too big to take on for many filmmakers.

The larger-than-life auteur Stanley Kubrick planned to film Napoleon's life story for decades, putting together vast research on settings, costumes, customs and battles, but never managed to get the project going – though, as Wolski notes – Kubrick's research was not for naught: It has inspired a seven-part Steven Spielberg-helmed series still in development for HBO.

And "of course" Kubrick's work also helped inform some scenes in Scott's "Napoleon," Wolski says. Intimate candlelit shots capturing courtly life filmed in authentic palace settings using mainly natural illumination were influenced by the great director's work in 1975 on "Barry Lyndon," he explains.

Wolski, who aside from years of work with Tim Burton and Rob Marshall, also filmed for the "Pirates of the Caribbean" franchise and says one useful lesson when capturing the nuance of pre-electricity lighting is counterbalancing the concerns of historic settings. Many won't allow candles or fireplaces to be lit, making for a tough dilemma between authentic palatial rooms and the look of real candlelight.

The look was an essential element to the "warm scenes" Scott wanted to contrast with those of vast armies making their way across freezing landscapes in bluer hues, like those depicting Napoleon's ill-fated attempt to conquer Russia – a decision that resulted in vast losses for his imperial army.

The disastrous Russia campaign, which led to Napoleon's exile, sees the emperor reduced to a farcical figure under Wolski's lens, hailed by peasants as he parades down a dusty road in full military regalia.

Wolski, himself something of an exile, emigrated to the U.S. during the Cold War and now works abroad – but he notes that careful viewers will find a Polish insignia and flag among the armies in the film. After all, as the cinematographer says, "Napoleon had an army from every European nation."

https://variety.com/2023/artisans/global/dariusz-wolski-napoleon-1235799911/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 19, 2023, 01:04:15 PM
New BBC interview with Ridley Scott:

Quote from: BBCNapoleon's Ridley Scott on critics and cinema 'bum ache'

Sir Ridley Scott is famously forthright.

The director of celebrated films including Gladiator, Alien, Thelma & Louise and Blade Runner certainly speaks his mind.

Does he seek out advice? Asking someone what they think is a "disaster", he tells me.

What about his lack of a best director Oscar - despite being at the helm of some of the most memorable films of the past four decades?

I don't really care."

And as for the historians who have suggested his latest movie, Napoleon, is factually inaccurate: "You really want me to answer that?... it will have a bleep in it."

We meet in a plush hotel in central London.

Scott had recently arrived from Paris, where the movie - which stars Joaquin Phoenix as the French soldier turned emperor, and Vanessa Kirby as his wife (and obsession) Josephine - had its world premiere.

It's a visual spectacle that contrasts the intimacy of the couple's relationship with the actions of a man whose lust for power brought about the deaths of an estimated three million soldiers and civilians.

"He's so fascinating. Revered, hated, loved... more famous than any man or leader or politician in history. How could you not want to go there?"

The film is two hours and 38 minutes long. Scott says if a movie is longer than three hours, you get the "bum ache factor" around two hours in, which is something he constantly watches for when he's editing.

In spite of the "bum ache" issue, it's been reported that he plans a longer, final director's cut for Apple TV+ when the movie hits the streamer, but "we're not allowed to talk about that".

Napoleon has been well reviewed in many parts of the UK media. Five stars in the Guardian for "an outrageously enjoyable cavalry charge of a movie". Four stars in The Times for this "spectacular historical epic" and in Empire for "Scott's entertaining and plausible interpretation of Napoleon".

The French critics have been less positive.

Le Figaro said the film could be renamed "Barbie and Ken under the Empire". French GQ said there was something "deeply clumsy, unnatural and unintentionally funny" in seeing French soldiers in 1793 shouting "Vive La France" with American accents.

And a biographer of Napoleon, Patrice Gueniffey in Le Point magazine, attacked the film as a "very anti-French and very pro-British" rewrite of history.

"The French don't even like themselves" Scott retorts. "The audience that I showed it to in Paris, they loved it."

In his movie, Napoleon's empire-building land grabs are distilled into six vast battle scenes.

One of the emperor's greatest victories, at Austerlitz in 1805, sees the Russian army lured onto an icy lake (shot at "an airfield just outside London") before the cannons are turned on them.

"The reverse angle in the trees was where I made Gladiator... I managed to blend them digitally so you get the scale and the scope".

As the cannonballs hurtle into the ice, bloodied soldiers and horses are sucked into the freezing waters, desperately trying to escape.

It's dramatic. It's terrifying. It is also beautiful.

"I'm blessed with a good eye, that's my strongest asset," says South Shields-born Sir Ridley, who went to art school first in Hartlepool and then London.

In the 1970s he was one of the UK's most renowned commercial directors, making, he tells me, two adverts a week in his heyday.

He always wanted to direct films but "I was too embarrassed to discuss it with anyone", and "I didn't know how to get in."

Once he did, he rose fast.

Scott's visual artistry makes him a consummate creator of worlds, whether that's outer space in Alien and The Martian, civil war Somalia in Black Hawk Down, medieval England in Robin Hood or the Roman Empire in Gladiator.

An accomplished artist, he does his own storyboarding.

"You could publish them as comic strips," he says. "A lot of people can't translate what's on paper to what it's going to be and that's my job."

His Napoleon, Joaquin Phoenix, tells me Scott also "draws pictures, as he's coming to work, of what the scene is."

He finds Scott an open and receptive director. "He's figured everything out and yet he's also able to spontaneously pivot" when new ideas are suggested, on this occasion even when there were 500 extras, a huge crew and multiple cannons.

Phoenix was "excited" to work with Scott again, 23 years after he was cast as the emperor Commodus in Gladiator.

"The studio did not want me for Gladiator. In fact, Ridley was given an ultimatum and he fought for me and it was just this extraordinary experience."

Scott has called Phoenix "probably the most special, thoughtful actor" he has ever worked with.

The leading actors had freedom to develop the relationship between Napoleon and Josephine, a woman six years older than him, who he divorced because she was unable to provide him with an heir, but whose name was on his lips when he died in exile on St Helena. "France, the Army, the Head of the Army, Josephine" were the Emperor's last words.

Vanessa Kirby says of her experience being directed by Scott that "none of it was prescriptive from the start and I thought that was really freeing."

But she adds that she had to adjust to the pace at which he works.

"He moves really fast. You might have five big scenes in one day, which means you're on the fly."

They shot Napoleon in just 61 days. "If you know anything about movies, that should have been 120," Scott tells me.

In the early days, he used to operate the camera on his films as well as direct - think The Duellists, Alien, Thelma & Louise, though it wasn't allowed on Blade Runner.

He says he realised where the real power lay - with the camera operator and the first AD - and didn't want to relinquish it.

On Napoleon he worked with up to 11 cameras at the same time and directed them from an air conditioned trailer, saying: "It's 180 degrees outside and I'm sitting inside shouting 'faster!'."

Using all those cameras shooting from different angles "frees the actor to come off-piste and improvise" because you don't need to repeat endless takes (which is "disastrous").

Immortalising Napoleon on film was something Scott's hero Stanley Kubrick tried and failed to do. "He couldn't get it going, surprisingly, because I thought he could get anything going." That was down to money, says Scott.

His Napoleon watches Marie Antoinette die at the guillotine and fires a cannonball at the Sphinx. The artistic licence in this impressionistic film has put up the backs of some historians.

Scott says 10,400 books have been written about Napoleon, "that's one every week since he died."

His question, he tells me, to the critics who say the film isn't historically accurate is: "Were you there? Oh you weren't there. Then how do you know?"

Scott announced he was making Napoleon on the day he wrapped his previous film, The Last Duel, which starred Jodie Comer.

She was originally cast as his Josephine, but had to pull out after the dates were pushed back by the pandemic.

With Napoleon heading into cinemas, Scott is about to restart filming Gladiator 2, with Paul Mescal and Denzel Washington, a shoot interrupted by the actors' strike.

So why go back to Gladiator? "Why not, are you kidding?"

He also has another movie in the pipeline which is already written and cast, but what it is, "I'm not going to tell you."

And he will celebrate his 86th birthday later this month.

Many might be happy to slow down, but not Scott. He will make films for the rest of his days, he tells me.

"I go from here to Malta, I shoot in Malta, finish there and I've already recce'd what I'm doing next."

So would he have any advice for his younger self?

"No advice. I did pretty good. I got there," comes his characteristically direct reply.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67419876
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Nov 20, 2023, 01:16:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uamgEs3Ymk
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Mr.Turok on Nov 20, 2023, 04:14:45 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 12, 2023, 04:04:04 PMRidley's F*ck You Tour(TM) continues...

New interview with The Times, but the bloody thing is bloody paywalled!  >:(

https://twitter.com/JonathanDean_/status/1723640740989882617
"when I have issues with historians, I ask "Excuse me, mate, where you there? No? Well, shut the f**k up then."

WE HAVE RECORDS YOU STUPID CENILE f**k! PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE AND WROTE SHIT DOWN OF WHAT THEY SAW YOU f**k!

But then uses cannons to blow up the pyramids because he has no idea if Napoleon actually did that or not?! HOW ABOUT ASK THE FOLKS WHO WERE CONSULTING YOU. Google the temples and tell me if it has holes in em!!!!

He gives me new reasons to hate on everything he currently makes. It's shit like this where I have no faith in the next Alien film and series. I just know its going to be shit if he keeps this up.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 20, 2023, 06:30:29 AM
He is 85. Most people don't even get that old - at this age, my brain would be mush...but he's even still working.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 20, 2023, 08:31:55 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 20, 2023, 04:14:45 AM"when I have issues with historians, I ask "Excuse me, mate, where you there? No? Well, shut the f**k up then."

WE HAVE RECORDS YOU STUPID CENILE f**k! PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE AND WROTE SHIT DOWN OF WHAT THEY SAW YOU f**k!

But then uses cannons to blow up the pyramids because he has no idea if Napoleon actually did that or not?! HOW ABOUT ASK THE FOLKS WHO WERE CONSULTING YOU. Google the temples and tell me if it has holes in em!!!!

He gives me new reasons to hate on everything he currently makes. It's shit like this where I have no faith in the next Alien film and series. I just know its going to be shit if he keeps this up.

He's just using an existing historical setting and story to make his own version of it.

Just like Jacques-Louis David's "Corronation of Napoleon" painting (that was commissioned and praised by Napoleon) is full of historical inaccuracies, including people who wasn't even at the ceremony. Or David's "Napoleon Crossing the Alps" which was just a propaganda piece with little resemblance to actual history.

Scott carries an artistic license and wields it with deadly intent. He is a Hollywood filmmaker who's mission it is to entertain, not a History Channel professor who has to educate.

Gladiator and Kingdom of Heaven are as historically accurate as Star Wars, but that doesn't stop them from being great films.

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Nov 20, 2023, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 20, 2023, 08:31:55 AMJust like Jacques-Louis David's "Corronation of Napoleon" painting (that was commissioned and praised by Napoleon) is full of historical inaccuracies, including people who wasn't even at the ceremony. Or David's "Napoleon Crossing the Alps" which was just a propaganda piece with little resemblance to actual history.

Exactly, descriptions of Napoleon vary from historian to historian. He was a master at exaggerating his own myth and would probably love that Ridley shows him hitting the pyramids with cannons.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 20, 2023, 03:23:34 PM
New interview with Ridley Scott conducted by ABC News:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlkBuEdXBRc
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 20, 2023, 03:38:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1726610071545610465



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr5xa3pN6Ag


Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 20, 2023, 06:30:29 AMHe is 85. Most people don't even get that old - at this age, my brain would be mush...but he's even still working.

Man, at 37 years old I already feel like a walking dead lol if I get to be that old, I don't think I'll have that same physical and mental energy at all. :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Nov 20, 2023, 04:09:03 PM
https://twitter.com/SixoTF/status/1726525094376472703
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2023, 04:35:35 PM
https://twitter.com/SiddhantAdlakha/status/1726638976956789008
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 20, 2023, 05:30:01 PM
The Guardian reviews Ridley's 2023 F*ck You Tour:

Quote from: The GuardianSweary, angry, honest: is Ridley Scott Hollywood's greatest interviewee?

The director's press tour for his new epic Napoleon has been a treasure trove of quotes attacking historians, France and his peers.

At this point, it doesn't matter how Napoleon does. Critics might love it or critics might hate it. It might crater at the box office, or it might single-handedly resuscitate the theatrical viewing experience. It really doesn't matter a jot. Because what does matter is that Napoleon is a Ridley Scott film, and this means that Ridley Scott has to talk in public again, and this by far the most important thing. Because Ridley Scott talking about anything in public is wonderful.

Even better, it seems as though Ridley Scott has got wind that, while most people seem to love Napoleon, some people don't. As such, he has become a little defensive. This is the best possible news for all of us.

The headline from Ridley Scott's Napoleon charm offensive came during an interview with the BBC this weekend. Scott was informed of some less than stellar French reviews of his film – French GQ called it "deeply clumsy" and "unintentionally funny" – to which Scott replied with the following solid gold banger: "The French don't even like themselves."

But don't think that insulting an entire country is enough for Scott. Speaking to the Sunday Times's Jonathan Dean last weekend, he also reserved some ire for historians, some of whom have suggested that Napoleon might not be the most rigorously accurate film ever made. Scott responded by addressing the entire historian community. "Excuse me, mate, were you there?" he raged. "No? Well, shut the f**k up then."

Then there's Sunday's interview with the Evening Standard, which strayed far enough from the brief to include his thoughts on whether or not Earth has been visited by aliens ("How did the Egyptians build the pyramids? Rolling 20-tonne stones on logs? f**k off!"). Thematically, this is of a piece with his recent interview with Deadline, in which he started to warn about the dangers of AI, only to end up boasting about his readiness for the apocalypse ("We are all completely f**ked. We're back to candles and matches. Do you have candles and matches at home? I live in France, so I do.

Even the long and ponderous New Yorker profile of Scott from earlier this month came to life when he was given free rein to just riff about whatever happened to be ambiently passing through his mind, which at that point in time was baboons. "Can you hang from that roof for two hours by your left leg?" he asked his interviewer. "No! A baboon can."

What I hope is clear from this is that Ridley Scott is the world's greatest interviewee. A blistering mix of northern club comic, taxi driver and literal vehicular juggernaut, you never so much interview Scott as cling on for dear life while he just says whatever he wants. I spoke to him during the pandemic, about a TV show whose pilot he had directed. Ostensibly a three-way phoner with the show's creator, it very quickly became The Ridley Scott Show. He was variously exasperated with his adult children, incredibly angry at the prospect that anyone might be sceptical about the existence of aliens ("The idea that we are it in this galaxy is f**king nonsense") and describing a work ethic that would kill a man half his age. At one point he called me "dude". I've never been so happy at work in my entire life.

And the good news is that there will be more interviews with Ridley Scott. Once Napoleon is out in the world, he'll continue filming Gladiator 2. Then, five months from now, he'll start shooting a western. He's also slated to make an action film about an assassin on the lam, plus a handful of TV pilots. Every one of these projects will require publicity, providing Ridley Scott ample opportunities to bark bluntly about whatever he likes to dozens of outlets. Every interview will be insane, and obviously wonderful.

Martin Scorsese is 81, and all his most recent print profiles have been haunted by the spectre of death. Ridley Scott, meanwhile, is five years older than Scorsese, and all his profiles are full of either great walloping insults about French people or weird facts about baboons. The difference in attitude speaks volumes about Scott's reputation as a workhorse. Indeed, when questioned about Scorsese's existential angst by the Times, true to form, he barked "Well, since he started Killers of the Flower Moon I've made four films." Scott isn't remotely nostalgic, cares little for legacy. What matters to Ridley Scott is the next thing on his list, and the thing after that. Sometimes that might be a historical blockbuster, other times it might be another hilariously bullish chat with an interviewer who can't believe their luck. Fortunately for all of us, death seems to be right at the bottom of his list. And long may it continue.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/nov/20/ridley-scott-napoleon-interviewee
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 20, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DJYiG6wh0w

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 20, 2023, 03:23:34 PMNew interview with Ridley Scott conducted by ABC News:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlkBuEdXBRc

Scott when asked question if he did ever forgive Hollywood choosing Cameron to direct Aliens: "dude, I got fired twice on Blade Runner" ;D  ;D  ;D



Assassin movie and handful of TV pilots. Blade Runner and Alien? :)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Mr.Turok on Nov 21, 2023, 03:20:22 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 20, 2023, 08:31:55 AMScott carries an artistic license and wields it with deadly intent.

He is a Hollywood filmmaker who's mission it is to entertain, not a History Channel professor who has to educate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_WOkJcWQAAeTSg?format=jpg&name=medium)

Poor excuses when others had succeeded where he is failing.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 21, 2023, 07:17:23 AM
Goodness gracious man, he's not failing. He didn't want to create a Napoleon documentary. He wanted to create his own tale, his own spin on Napoleon. Is a man not allowed to do that?

That meme is laughable by the way, because Napoleon actually DID make "his enemies fall through ice". Just not on the massive scale as previously thought.

Here's a History lesson for you, professor Turok, from the highly acclaimed Napoleon biography by Andrew Roberts.

Quote from: Andrew Roberts, Napoleon the GreatNapoleon then left the Pratzen heights at speed for the tower of the Chapel of St Anthony which overlooked the whole lake region, in order to command the last stage of the battle. Buxhöwden's Russian force was split in two and fled east of the frozen lakes and across them, whereupon Napoleon had his gunners open fire on the ice. This incident led to the myth that thousands of Russians drowned as the ice cracked, though recent excavations of the reclaimed land at Lake Satschan turned up only a dozen corpses and a couple of guns. 118 Overall, however, the Allied forces suffered terribly as they fled the field closely pursued by French cavalry and fired upon by artillery that had been brought up to the heights. (Austrian cavalrymen wore no backs to their breastplates, which made them lighter to carry in attack but left them highly vulnerable to sword and lance thrusts and to canister shot in retreat.)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 21, 2023, 10:35:48 AM
New Europa Press interview with Ridley Scott about Napoleon in which he mostly talks about AI, Mars and Musk:  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGI4GfqikVQ
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2023, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 21, 2023, 03:20:22 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 20, 2023, 08:31:55 AMScott carries an artistic license and wields it with deadly intent.

He is a Hollywood filmmaker who's mission it is to entertain, not a History Channel professor who has to educate.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_WOkJcWQAAeTSg?format=jpg&name=medium
Poor excuses when others had succeeded where he is failing.

It's not a matter of "excuses" or dichotomy of success/failure at being historically accurate – it's a matter of artistic intent. Ridley Scott is clearly approaching the material that he is working with from a very different perspective than Nolan and Scorsese did with their films (which are both among my favorites of the year, mind you).

Anyways, seeing this tonight!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: SiL on Nov 21, 2023, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 21, 2023, 03:20:22 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 20, 2023, 08:31:55 AMScott carries an artistic license and wields it with deadly intent.

He is a Hollywood filmmaker who's mission it is to entertain, not a History Channel professor who has to educate.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_WOkJcWQAAeTSg?format=jpg&name=medium
Poor excuses when others had succeeded where he is failing.
Two of those people wanted historical accuracy. One didn't. None of them have failed.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 21, 2023, 03:13:28 PM
The problem is less with accuracy and more that Scott is being an asshole about it.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 21, 2023, 05:04:13 PM
Is this dish going to have a cameo in the movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1flfls4N78
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 21, 2023, 09:43:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUo5ZZ7ZACI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNTJ4MiPiTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57W3W0AIffQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvvprq5O0nU
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 22, 2023, 12:30:31 AM
Fancy a hat?

QuoteFor 'Napoleon,' Finishing the Hats
Inside the creation of one emperor's famous headwear, as worn by Joaquin Phoenix in Ridley Scott's film.

When the costume designer David Crossman, who specializes in military wear, first knew he would be working on "Napoleon" (in theaters Wednesday), Ridley Scott's epic starring Joaquin Phoenix, he had a "mini panic" about the hats. It wasn't that he would have to be recreating Napoleon Bonaparte's famous headgear, the kind for which collectors pay dearly (one just sold for $2.1 million). It was that he would be doing it with certain limitations. Phoenix is vegan and doesn't wear any animal products, which meant that Crossman couldn't use wool felt. "Immediately, I just felt it's going to be a problem of what to make the iconic hat out of because it's all going to be about the hat," Crossman said in a video call.

Luckily they found a solution: a fabric constructed from tree bark originating in Uganda, which turned out to have an ideal texture for the task at hand. "I thought, 'oh good, we're out of trouble,'" Crossman added. "I was just so worried it was going to be some polyester synthetic thing. But what it actually gave us, as well, was a lot of lovely surface texture on the hat."

Once Crossman overcame that hurdle, the work could begin. For research, Crossman sought out originals. He examined objects from a private collection as well as examples of real Napoleon hats in the Musée de l'Armée in Paris. Phoenix's hats may have been built from bark cloth, but they were true to size.

Over the course of the film, Phoenix dons a series of bicorns ranging in size and opulence as he goes from upstart officer to famed emperor. There were three key versions for the character reproduced many times over, Crossman said, as well as a glorious array of hats for various generals, allies, and enemies. Here, Crossman discusses some key looks.

Officer's Hat

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/11/26/multimedia/26NAPOLEON-HATS-07-jtgb/26NAPOLEON-HATS-07-jtgb-jumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp
In the film, just before Napoleon launches his attack on British forces at Toulon in the South of France in 1793, he turns his hat sideways. Though bicorns were traditionally worn facing forward, Napoleon popularized wearing it in this way. The change comes in a little moment just before a key victory that signifies Napoleon's evolution as well as his personal style. It was also an acting choice. "It was a Joaquin decision because he knew that it had to happen," Crossman said.

This plain hat is the one he wears as a young, untested officer from Corsica. "It keeps him out of trouble on the streets of Paris, it's got a little revolutionary tricolor cockade so you know what side he's on," Crossman said. Although some of Napoleon's rank would have worn feathers in their hats at this time, Crossman explained that he had decided to keep it simple. "He was merging into the background, watching the Revolution unfold, looking for his opportunity," Crossman said.

General and First Consul Hat

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/11/26/multimedia/26NAPOLEON-HATS-01-jtgb/26NAPOLEON-HATS-01-jtgb-jumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp
Perhaps the most outwardly splashy hat Napoleon has is the one he wears during the period of the movie where he is a general — a time that coincides with his meeting and wooing Joséphine (Vanessa Kirby) — as well as when he's First Consul. Its gold brim detail is a look that echoes the Jacques-Louis David painting "Bonaparte Crossing the Alps," which shows him astride a rearing horse.

But even with this glam headwear, Crossman wanted to signify a man at a low point. "There was this kind of mid-period where Napoleon, when he meets Joséphine [at the Survivors Ball], he was so down on his luck by then, he was just out of money, so I didn't want to put him into an embroidered uniform for that," Crossman said, "so he's got a much plainer uniform, just with gold trim." He added that he based the uniform on an etching he found. "So I suppose the most ostentatious thing about him in that is his hat, which Joaquin was determined to keep on like all the time."

Yes, you'll notice that Phoenix keeps his head covered often indoors. "Not for comic effect for some effect, he just liked keeping it on in certain situations inside," Crossman said. As Napoleon became more established, his uniform got more elaborate to match the gilded nature of his hat with embroidery.

Emperor's Hat

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By the time Napoleon is emperor, including the crucial sequence at the Battle of Austerlitz, he wears a large, but relatively unadorned bicorn. "That's the hat that he loved," Crossman said. "He'd make a couple of them per year and have them refresh it. He would always have new hats sent out to him. That's why there are so many Napoleon hats in existence today."

Based on Crossman's research at the museum, he found that following Napoleon's coronation as emperor, his hats got bigger and bigger as he grew politically stronger. "I've seen lots of very nice Napoleon iterations, 'Bill and Ted' included, but I've never seen the hat portrayed as this big," Crossman said, "so that was the first one we made."

Assorted Hats Belonging to Generals and Marshals

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/11/26/multimedia/26NAPOLEON-HATS-02-jtgb/26NAPOLEON-HATS-02-jtgb-jumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp
While Napoleon's hat stays simple in his days as emperor, the actors playing his generals and marshals, like Ben Miles as Armand-Augustin-Louis de Caulaincourt, have plumage that is either white or black depending on rank. In addition to feathers, these bicorns also have gold details.

And again, Crossman wanted to make them big. He said that normally in a production, actors and directors will request that they shrink the size of hats from their historically accurate proportions to what they think looks more appealing. But that was not the case on "Napoleon." "I was expecting more hat issues during filming," Crossman said, "because vanity comes in. But we didn't encounter any of that, which was great."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/movies/napoleon-movie-hats.html
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:41:14 AM
Interestingly enough, directors like Kubrick did something like the opposite: he spent a lot of time researching.

What's notable about Ash isn't the point about AI but that he and the ones he sacrificed work for the corporation.

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Nov 22, 2023, 01:02:27 AM
Quote from: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:41:14 AMWhat's notable about Ash isn't the point about AI but that he and the ones he sacrificed work for the corporation.


He basically sacrificed their atoms for other people's weekends. 
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 02:54:28 AM
Just got back.

Tonally, landing in a space somewhere between The Last Duel and House of Gucci, Napoleon gleefully posits what would have been the absolute dream reporting job of the TMZ of 1700s/1800s as it condescendingly plays with (and hell, downright tears into) its title character and his relationship with Josephine, punctuated by some of the most viscerally brutal battle scenes put on screen in a while (all the while, evoking the imagery of at least a dozen diffrent paintings of/representing the era).

I can't wait for the four hour cut.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 22, 2023, 05:38:51 AM
Glad you enjoyed it. I'm going to watch it today.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 08:23:49 AM
I will add – my biggest quibble with the movie is that in its theatrical state, it is a bit formless. I think the extended cut is going to do a lot to help the movie's pacing and overall structure.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 22, 2023, 12:03:58 PM
Some new details from Gladiator II in this new RT interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYmtlkJxLwo
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 22, 2023, 01:49:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXgRe9EL1BU
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Nov 22, 2023, 01:51:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 08:23:49 AMI will add – my biggest quibble with the movie is that in its theatrical state, it is a bit formless. I think the extended cut is going to do a lot to help the movie's pacing and overall structure.

Like Kingdom of Heaven you mean?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 02:34:54 PM
Quote from: nanison on Nov 22, 2023, 01:51:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 08:23:49 AMI will add – my biggest quibble with the movie is that in its theatrical state, it is a bit formless. I think the extended cut is going to do a lot to help the movie's pacing and overall structure.

Like Kingdom of Heaven you mean?


I, admittedly, have not actually seen either cut of Kingdom of Heaven yet and I know that is something I need to remedy soon.

As it is here though, Napoleon often seems to be sort of flipping from one event to the next or one character beat to the next where it seems apparent that some breathing room to segue us there (especially in the back half of the film) and some more time spent with just Napoleon and Josephine must have been shot. And even though four hours sounds like a long time, I genuinely think it will actually help the pacing of the film rather than detract from it once we get to see that version.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 22, 2023, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 22, 2023, 01:49:13 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXgRe9EL1BU

I like how one guy asks Riddles how he did Napoleon's battle scenes and get's a long lecture on advertising during the 70's instead.  :laugh:

He also talks a bit about Nick Cave's bonkers Gladiator II script later in.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 02:34:54 PMI, admittedly, have not actually seen either cut of Kingdom of Heaven yet...

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 03:05:57 PM
I know... :(

I did recently remedy my Thelma & Louise-sized blind spot and adored it, to the point where it might actually enter into my top 5 Ridley movies?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 22, 2023, 03:08:22 PM
Kingdom of Heaven DC is like top 3 or 4 spot. I think Ingwar once said it was his favourite Ridley Scott film.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 03:16:44 PM
Alien is always going to be top for me, and Blade Runner just under it. Vying for those other three spots would be Thelma & Louise, The Last Duel and, depending on my mood, either Gladiator or Alien: Covenant (yes, I genuinely love Covenant that much).

Been in the mood for a Legend rewatch lately...
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 22, 2023, 03:38:19 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 22, 2023, 03:08:22 PMKingdom of Heaven DC is like top 3 or 4 spot. I think Ingwar once said it was his favourite Ridley Scott film.

Blade Runner is at the top. Kingdom of Heaven is in my top 5 with Alien, American Gangster and The Martian. I love Thelma & Louise and Gladiator though.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2023, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: Smithsonian MagazineHeld in the throne room at the Tuileries Palace in Paris, the ceremony had all the elements of a Greek tragedy. Joséphine wore a plain white gown evocative of a wedding dress. The couple exchanged words of gratitude and enduring love, with Napoleon declaring, "I would like her ... never to doubt my feelings for her; she will always be my best and my dearest friend."

Joséphine, in return, offered this: "I must declare that no longer holding out any hope for a child that could satisfy both his political needs and the good of France, I give to him the greatest proof of attachment and devotion that has ever been given on this earth." But the emotional toll of the ceremony, and perhaps the public candor of her speech, was too great. She faltered, sobbing, and asked if someone else could finish reading her statement. The marriage was officially annulled in January 1810.

Napoleon, the newest film from acclaimed director Ridley Scott, depicts the emperor and empress, played by Joaquin Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby, respectively, reading these lines of parting verbatim. In a theatrical revision from the original sequence of events, the scene is restaged in an austere church and features Napoleon violently slapping his former wife. The moment is portrayed as a kind of metaphorical break in their relationship, with the emperor striking Joséphine for so shamefully mourning their relationship and showing weakness; the blow adds a brutish, cinematic finality to their separation.

https://twitter.com/SmithsonianMag/status/1727047227653112265
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: T Dog on Nov 22, 2023, 06:49:24 PM
QuoteI like how one guy asks Riddles how he did Napoleon's battle scenes and get's a long lecture on advertising during the 70's instead.  :laugh:


Did you ever listen to the Ridley interview on WTF with Marc Maron.
Maron asks him revisiting Blade Runner and doing different cuts and then Ridley goes: "Aaaaaaaah well there used to be a show called THE DATING GAME....." and then launches into the plot of BR2049 and that Tyrell was like the host of The Dating Game.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 22, 2023, 07:22:57 PM
I did a ranking of his entire filmography around when Gucci came out, bit I lost the list.  :laugh:

I think my top five was Blade Runner, Alien, Gladiator, Duellists, and Kingdom of Heaven.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Mr.Turok on Nov 22, 2023, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 21, 2023, 07:17:23 AMGoodness gracious man, he's not failing. He didn't want to create a Napoleon documentary. He wanted to create his own tale, his own spin on Napoleon. Is a man not allowed to do that?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2023, 11:31:49 AMIt's not a matter of "excuses" or dichotomy of success/failure at being historically accurate – it's a matter of artistic intent. Ridley Scott is clearly approaching the material that he is working with from a very different perspective than Nolan and Scorsese did with their films (which are both among my favorites of the year, mind you).

Anyways, seeing this tonight!

Purposely missing my point. I'm not asking for 1,000% accuracy, its that he claims he has no idea if it's accurate or not but then dismisses historians that answers his thoughts on subjects. Blurring the lines on historical and artistic license. Did Napoleon blow up the pyramids he asks? No said the historians but then he curses them out cuz he is an arrogant asshole who hadn't made good films in years when he thinks he is tough shit? That's my point. So then what in the f**k is he on about then? Walks around talking shit but then any form of criticism and somehow he acts like a victim?

The thing that comes with these types of films is the difference between Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter and Oppenheimer. One is purposely artistically done historic fiction and the second is mostly historic with a touch of fiction. He is presenting this like it was the real deal, which is really idiotic and damaging to what really is and what is not. It's like how 300 painted Spartans as heroic defenders of freedom when in reality they were slave hunting assholes that mostly lost every battle they ever been in. The film is purposely telling a mythical spin on real events but culturally made Spartans are seen in a noble light then people with very questionable actions. At least the director said he aimed for a more artistic presentation of the Spartans so I can't even get mad at him or anything as he went out of say this firstly and not purposely dismissive of anyone presenting questions or criticism of the film. It's done with intent in mind, that Ridley outright is not doing. There's a huge difference between anachronism in STYLE and anachronism in CONTENT. Marie Antoinette is a solid biopic, but also had a TON of anachronistic style in the costuming and soundtrack specifically. Those anachronisms were chosen because they added to the artistic merit of the film, but Sophia Coppola didn't do anything egregiously ahistorical, nor did she act like an indignant little baby when she was confronted about her anachronisms. Ridley Scott seems to really want to have his cake while never having to justify not eating it. I'm not a fan of courting falsehood.

Which leads with my beef with this f**k personally. He can f**k off when he acts likes he is and done better, when others had done MUCH better. Robin Hood, Gods of Egypt, the previous two Alien films were all shit and any form of criticism he gets his way, he has to act all defensive know it all about it. F**k off Ridley and don't touch Aliens anymore. Knowing is involvement in the new Alien series and film has already gotten me looking at the worst coming ahead. The arrogance of that idiot will never stop pissing me off.

Like I get he made Alien and Blade Runner but there is a point where sometimes you just gotta say no, this is dumb, what the hell, stop acting like a man child.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Nov 22, 2023, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 02:34:54 PM
Quote from: nanison on Nov 22, 2023, 01:51:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 08:23:49 AMI will add – my biggest quibble with the movie is that in its theatrical state, it is a bit formless. I think the extended cut is going to do a lot to help the movie's pacing and overall structure.

Like Kingdom of Heaven you mean?


I, admittedly, have not actually seen either cut of Kingdom of Heaven yet and I know that is something I need to remedy soon.

As it is here though, Napoleon often seems to be sort of flipping from one event to the next or one character beat to the next where it seems apparent that some breathing room to segue us there (especially in the back half of the film) and some more time spent with just Napoleon and Josephine must have been shot. And even though four hours sounds like a long time, I genuinely think it will actually help the pacing of the film rather than detract from it once we get to see that version.

Makes perfect sense
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2023, 11:02:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1NlPaQcPdU
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 22, 2023, 11:14:17 PM
God, how I cannot stand this shill. I will never forget him praising The Last Jedi.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 11:20:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ThisIsCreation/status/1727392540674892163
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 22, 2023, 11:25:27 PM
Lulu got a better dedication than Tony did.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Nov 23, 2023, 02:41:17 AM
Do all Ridley Scott movies have a director's cut? What about Prometheus?
the above review of Napoleon sounds valid from what I heard but I'm also quite sure a lot of the problems will be addressed in the director's cut.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 23, 2023, 02:47:32 AM
Quote from: nanison on Nov 23, 2023, 02:41:17 AMDo all Ridley Scott movies have a director's cut? What about Prometheus?

Prometheus, despite desperately feeling like it is in need of another cut (preferably, one that doesn't feel like they left a monkey alone in the editing bay to do the job), does not have one.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 23, 2023, 03:14:51 AM
Yeah, Prometheus and Exodus could use better cuts. And stuff like The Counselor got them, and nobody needs 20 more minutes of that mess.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Nov 23, 2023, 09:45:14 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2023, 11:02:35 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1NlPaQcPdU

This guy is so flaky, he was praising it when he came out of the cinema, but now that the bad reviews are now he hates it lol. I thought it was really great and fun. The battle scenes are out of this world. For the most part is sticks to a linear storyline, but if you aren't familiar with Napoleon history it might take a second watch to appreciate that.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Nov 23, 2023, 11:03:19 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 02:34:54 PMI, admittedly, have not actually seen either cut of Kingdom of Heaven yet and I know that is something I need to remedy soon.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/941a65ba792d88bdbc2ed064929ef53f/tumblr_nm48kdZ7IS1txd6p7o2_500.gif)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 23, 2023, 11:05:37 PM
The director's cut is the only one worth watching.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 13, 2023, 06:08:16 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 13, 2023, 05:51:21 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 13, 2023, 04:46:10 PMI need to go watch Kingdom of Heaven again.
Better be the director's cut!

Always.  The theatrical cut is little more than a trailer.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Nov 23, 2023, 11:17:46 PM
True, the scenes with Sibylla's child alone make it almost a completely different movie.

Although even the DC can not fix Bloom's acting.. he still kinda really fits the role lookwise , so 10 or 15 minutes in I'm always mostly able to ignore that

Eva Green on the other hand is just superb in this.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 23, 2023, 11:35:41 PM
Marton Czokas is so good as playing a total shitheel. He doesn't get enough work.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: kwisatz on Nov 23, 2023, 11:47:06 PM
Ja, and his dynamic with Brendan Gleeson is especially great in this

They're both over-the-top and realistic at the same time. Rare and such a joy to watch
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Nov 24, 2023, 02:28:13 AM
Imagine Bondarchuk or even Kubrick coming up with a director's cut.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2023, 03:47:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59X4T9EGKq8
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Smilion on Nov 24, 2023, 11:03:19 AM
Straight out of the cinema. Generally, the film is good, but not on the level of some other Scott's historical epics like KoH DC, Gladiator and The Last Duel. It seems to me that the same situation as was with Kindgom of Heaven has happened again, just maybe in a less extreme sense. Film is not bad in any way, just feels over edited down, especially in the first half.

The production value is top notch, the costume design, the set design, the photography ... I think this was the best depiction of battles and the consequences of cannon fire ever depicted, I can not stress how exceptional the film is in this regard. Another positive is the soundtrack. i haven't heard much of Martin Phipps music outside War and Peace, but he really knocked it out of the park .. some really memorable music cues, that stayed in my head latter on.

As far as the acting is concerned, it is Kirby who dominates, who plays Josephine brilliantly and is the key to the film. Phoenix's take on Napoleon is slightly subversive and not exactly expected, at times, especially in the personal sphere it slips into a slight satire (which reminded me of characterization of certain House of Gucci characters). I see how French may have a problem with this depiction. The other actors simply have too little screen time to be memorable.

The main problem with the film is that I always had the feeling that it lacked important scenes between certain historical developments that would give context to why characters behave in certain ways, and dialogues that would deepen and better explain certain actions. Especially in the first hour and a half, it seemed to me that the film is really over-edited, jumping all the time from one important moment to the next, important historical moments passing by as mere vignettes, without any real depth or reason why certain things happen (if you know history you might explain certain things yourselves, but the film leaves much to interpretation). In keeping with this, film lacks focus and certain character drive, as it feels like it just goes through moments; there is a lot of consequences without any prior reasons let's say (it reminded me in that way of Exodus: Gods and Kings, which I also felt was poorly edited and characters weren't given any proper motivation -> but it's generally much better film, fear not).  A lot of it, the film tries to explain through narration of letters from Napoleon to Josephine but it still leaves confused impression.  This gets much, much better in second half, when the film finally calms down, Waterloo sequence being really masterfully done.

I have seen Poor Things, Killers of the Flower Moon and Oppenheimer in cinema (all being long movies) and this was the first, where I thought the film would really use an additional minimum of 30-45 minutes at least. Really hope the director's cut is released as soon as possible, as I think it shall fix a lot of issues  I had with the film (I also missed any mention of political reforms of France under Napoleon, especially educational, legal (Code Civil), Illyrian Provinces etc.).
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 24, 2023, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 22, 2023, 05:38:51 AMGlad you enjoyed it. I'm going to watch it today.

What did you think?  ;D




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh25DwEFVOc

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 24, 2023, 03:03:20 PM
I haven't seen it yet :) Have you ? My plans suddenly have changed but I'm gonna see it next week.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2023, 03:31:15 PM
https://twitter.com/alphavdesign/status/1727843222419030136
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: littlesprout on Nov 24, 2023, 03:33:10 PM
Sounds like the consensus is a decent film but not very well organized. I'll see it later today.

Edit: after returning from the theatre my initial thought is that this was not a very good film. I'm happy it was made but the final product is far from good. Joaquin Phoenix was good (not really a great fit as Napoleon though), battle scenes were alright, the direction of the storyline atrocious.3.5/10
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ace3g on Nov 25, 2023, 03:36:05 AM
My screening didn't have the "ice, it's a trap" line.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: happypred on Nov 25, 2023, 04:16:35 AM
Heard this was an English piss-take of the actual Napoleon
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Nov 25, 2023, 09:22:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39DrqNDz0H8
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: littlesprout on Nov 25, 2023, 05:53:59 PM
Yeah this is just not a very good film.

Someone had hit on this earlier about Scott being a smart ass with reporters about this film, and for me Scott has already been on my slowly getting less likable as a person and director list. His arrogance can be intolerable. I don't like how he handled the Alien franchise acting like the creator, alpha, and omega. I really don't like how he talked to some of the reporters and criticism of this Napoleon movie now that I've seen the final product. He deserves full criticism and responsibility.

Movies like this makes me believe Quentin Tarantinos take on directors getting worse over time and should know when to hang it up. Even Scorsese has had some very bad films lately.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 25, 2023, 06:32:24 PM
I'd argue that Scorsese's late career work has been right among the best and most impactful of his career.

Ridley's late career is definitely shakier quality wise, but it continues to be endlessly fascinating to me. Also, apart from Barbie and (the opening twenty minutes of) The Killer, Napoleon might just be the funniest movie I've seen all year? The more I think about it the more Phoenix's performance and the way the movie treats him just really clicks for me. I really can't wait for that four hour cut to see how it gives the movie a bit more shape/structure.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 25, 2023, 06:58:21 PM
Scorsese's last ten or fifteen years have been pretty great. Shutter Island, Hugo, The Wolf of Wall Street, Silence, The Irishman, Killers of the Flower Moon.

Scott's has definitely been shakier but he still takes big swings. Gucci is all over the place tonally but at least it was ambitious.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: littlesprout on Nov 25, 2023, 07:02:17 PM
Aside from wolf of Wall Street I think the Irishman was a decent film, but nothing spectacular. Killers of the flower moon was not a good film and easily forgettable.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Nov 25, 2023, 09:32:40 PM
When you think about it, is it really surprising the film turned out mediocre?

How can you tell Napoleon's entire career/life story in just 3 hours?

Wasn't someone doing a tv series about Napoleon? Only logical thing to do I guess
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 26, 2023, 04:51:44 PM
CBS interview with Ridley featuring new bts footage and Ridleygrams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0HUN32jwA8
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 26, 2023, 09:42:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOiuGgojv9k
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 27, 2023, 07:53:02 AM
Old projection:

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 08, 2023, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: World of ReelAs for "Napoleon," based on the trailer, the film does look like it cost $200 million. It's currently tracking to have a domestic opening weekend of around $24 million.

It's doing much better than expected:

Quote from: DeadlineNapoleon' Conquers With $79M Global Bow; 'Wish' Debuts To $49M WW – International Box Office

Ridley Scott's Napoleon has exceeded expectations with $78.8M global across the five-day opening frame, including $46.3M from the international box office. This is higher than the Friday estimate (see below), and well above pre-weekend projections.

The bulk of play is coming from Europe with $33M, led by the UK's No. 1 $6.6M and France's No. 1 $5.6M (critics be damned, evidently). Germany, also at No. 1, grossed $3.4M, Spain did $3.3M at No. 1 and Italy took $3.1M.

https://deadline.com/2023/11/napoleon-wish-opening-weekend-global-international-box-office-1235637258/

France might be bitchin' about it, but they are watchin' it, they are watchin' it!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 27, 2023, 10:11:05 AM
French critics :)

(https://media.tenor.com/WmxhvMHLyi0AAAAC/napoleon-angry.gif)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 27, 2023, 12:44:12 PM
When someone defends Scott's film under the premise that it is an artistic representation and not an academic documentary, I see a lot of History snobs saying "yes, but people are stuck with that inaccurate notion, ala Braveheart."

But are the artists to blame for that? Now no one is going to be allowed to make an artistic version of some historical figure, cos people educated themself through movies? give me a f**king break! :)

(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/SRVn4.gif)

I feel the same way about paleogeeks demanding scientifically accurate depictions of dinosaurs in movies. I mean, it wouldn't be a bad thing at all, but it doesn't have to be mandatory, cos i's entertainment and art!

(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/SRVnD.gif)
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Nov 27, 2023, 12:57:05 PM
Yeah, one must be truly naive (that applies to history snobs and other "experts") to expect Hollywood blockbuster worth $200 million to depict events with historical accuracy. Most historical movies are not really historical. They are quasi-historical or even historical fiction. Historical films are only based on history, which shouldn't stand in the way of good storytelling. To put it another way, you should sacrifice historical accuracy to tell a story.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 27, 2023, 12:58:20 PM
It's funny, 'cause there are filmmakers that I love because of their way that they are so indebted to striving to accurately portray so and so historical era and/or mythology on screen - Robert Eggers, for example. But there are others (Scott, for instance) that I want to see reinterpret rather than recreate. Like the talk in the Gladiator 2 thread about some of the gladiatorial games that might be featured in the Colosseum in that upcoming film that wouldn't have still been enacted by the point in history when the film is actually going to be set... but that's ok in a film like this, where the first one is almost borderline fantasy to begin with!

It's all about the different voices, the different intent, the different execution... Both approaches are equally valid, with their own benefits, and I'm happy to have very different filmmakers out there doing both.

Eggers' Nosferatu and del Toro's Frankenstein both excite me immensely, and feel like they will be a return to the sort of Gothic horror that I adore. That being said, I know they're going to be very different approaches, with Nosferatu relishing in the reality of its setting (a la The Witch) while Frankenstein is likely to be a much more grandiose, fantastic take on its world.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: nanison on Nov 27, 2023, 01:19:34 PM
So far Nosferatu seems to be everything I hoped it would be.
As for Del Toro's frankenstein I hope he will also go for the really thick and foggy gothic atmosphere we didn't get since the 1930s but with Del Toro I always fear there will be a bit too much modern touches in there.

End of my completely off topic thoughts
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Nov 27, 2023, 01:42:43 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Nov 25, 2023, 03:36:05 AMMy screening didn't have the "ice, it's a trap" line.
Nor did mine. No Christmas Eve assignation plot either.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 27, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
Just got back from this. Not a bad film, but definitely missing something. I feel like Phoenix's portrayal is getting a little too much shit for being cartoony, when Rupert Everett's Wellington seemingly only existed to chew every last bit of scenery whenever he was on screen.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2023, 12:00:33 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 27, 2023, 09:51:20 PMNot a bad film, but definitely missing something.

Structure, IMO. My biggest issue with the movie was that it was pretty shapeless in how it's put together. I really dig all the pieces at play but I want something that's going to make those pieces really come together the way they should – which is why I'm so excited for the four hour version, because I have to imagine that it is going to give the movie that structure that it lacks.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 28, 2023, 12:17:04 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2023, 12:00:33 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 27, 2023, 09:51:20 PMNot a bad film, but definitely missing something.

Structure, IMO. My biggest issue with the movie was that it was pretty shapeless in how it's put together. I really dig all the pieces at play but I want something that's going to make those pieces really come together the way they should – which is why I'm so excited for the four hour version, because I have to imagine that it is going to give the movie that structure that it lacks.

Hopefully it's not two years away.
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Post by: ralfy on Nov 28, 2023, 01:09:24 AM
If the reviewer I shared is right, there are two problems: lack of historical accuracy (probably even lack of basic history) and a weird depiction of Napoleon the historical character crammed into one feature.

The major problem appears to be the latter. The only solution to that is to come up with a more realistic portrayal focusing on one part of Napoleon's life, and if one wants to depict more, spread across more than one feature.

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2023, 01:21:01 AM
It is a weird depiction of him. He's a weird little freak in this. That's part of what the movie conveys (and Phoenix plays) exceptionally well.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: littlesprout on Nov 28, 2023, 02:52:36 AM
Weird little freak puts it nicely.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2023, 02:59:44 AM
Would've been a surefire hit if it included Napoleon's time travel adventure to 1988 San Dimas.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 28, 2023, 04:10:55 AM
He's weird but still humanized, I thought.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 28, 2023, 10:44:02 AM
Having read a 1000 page biography on Napoleon before seeing this, it's interesting how some elements are actually pretty accurate while other elements are either pure fantasy (Napoleon meeting Arthur Wellesley for breakfast on the Bellerophon, as we previously speculated) or been switched around (Josephine requesting the divorce instead of Napoleon and before rather than after meeting Tzar Alexander) or otherwise modified.

The battles take a lot of artistic license, but they have to. If you read a historical account of a major battle like Waterloo, it can sometimes be a bit tedious despite the subject matter. You need a map to keep track of all the hundreds of units on the battlefield, it's an incredibly complex affair (and also the reason why Napoleon became less effective the larger his battles got due to the unavoidable need to delegate command). Often there is not much happening, then suddenly a hundred things happen simultaneously, often miles apart. Not an easy thing to put on screen.

Napoleon often came across as a bit idiosyncratic in Andrew Roberts' biography and Ridley dialed it up for the film.

You could see from his cringy love letters that he was probably going to be a bit awkward in the bedroom and his mind was often all over the place even during battles when he should have been focused on one thing only.

But in other respects, Phoenix's Napoleon actually reminded me more of his Commodus character from Gladiator.

Despite the various historical inaccuracies elsewhere, the costumes looked spot on and quite simply amazing. Wolski and Scott's cinematography look fantastic. A lot more colour here than in The Last Duel as befits this period in history complete with Scott's trademark craneshots. And no-one else on the planet does interior candlelit scenes as well as Wolski/Scott. Arthur Max and Scott's production design was top notch as always. The degree of filigree is often mind-melting at times. Martin Phipps' score was quite serviceable and suitably waltzy, martial and bombastic at times.

Bring on the directors cut!

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 28, 2023, 02:48:10 PM
A few tracks from the OST has been officially released:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb-JLQI4Wt8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmNL36u0xpw
This one was performed using Napoleon's actual piano:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwv-RZFKpIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixWJm_IFX40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYLA1vvUq4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM6MQkGDB2Q
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 28, 2023, 07:03:28 PM
I've been seeing people mention that Phipps recycled bits of his War and Peace score for this. The spirit of James Horner lives on.  :laugh:

Also, I'm wondering if naval battles like Trafalgar will come up in the director's cut. The rant about how "you think you're so great because you have boats" feels like it's lacking in context as is.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 28, 2023, 07:51:28 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 28, 2023, 07:03:28 PMI've been seeing people mention that Phipps recycled bits of his War and Peace score for this. The spirit of James Horner lives on.  :laugh:

Also, I'm wondering if naval battles like Trafalgar will come up in the director's cut. The rant about how "you think you're so great because you have boats" feels like it's lacking in context as is.

I doubt Trafalgar would have been filmed, it would have been insanely expensive to recreate and Napoleon was nowhere even close to it.

Napoleon was notoriously inept when it came to naval warfare. In reality, the French ships were superbly built (the British fleet sported several captured French ships) but their gunnery and naval tactics were not up to par with British standards.

Mind you, Royal Navy tactics weren't really all that sophisticated, Adm. Horatio Nelson essentially just waded straight into a naval melee and used the much faster firing rate of the British ships to tear the enemy apart at point blank range.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Nov 29, 2023, 01:38:40 AM
I get this feeling that his epics will be like that at best: close but no cigar. Should have stayed with films like Alien.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 29, 2023, 04:02:26 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 28, 2023, 07:51:28 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 28, 2023, 07:03:28 PMI've been seeing people mention that Phipps recycled bits of his War and Peace score for this. The spirit of James Horner lives on.  :laugh:

Also, I'm wondering if naval battles like Trafalgar will come up in the director's cut. The rant about how "you think you're so great because you have boats" feels like it's lacking in context as is.

I doubt Trafalgar would have been filmed, it would have been insanely expensive to recreate and Napoleon was nowhere even close to it.

Napoleon was notoriously inept when it came to naval warfare. In reality, the French ships were superbly built (the British fleet sported several captured French ships) but their gunnery and naval tactics were not up to par with British standards.

Mind you, Royal Navy tactics weren't really all that sophisticated, Adm. Horatio Nelson essentially just waded straight into a naval melee and used the much faster firing rate of the British ships to tear the enemy apart at point blank range.

I was thinking more along the lines of Napoleon hearing about the defeat afterwards. If I want Napoleonic naval battles, I can always rewatch Master & Commander.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 29, 2023, 08:34:13 AM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1729590994004496831


Quote from: ralfy on Nov 29, 2023, 01:38:40 AMI get this feeling that his epics will be like that at best: close but no cigar. Should have stayed with films like Alien.


Scott is arguably more well known for Gladiator than Alien among main stream audiences.
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Post by: ralfy on Nov 30, 2023, 01:09:26 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 29, 2023, 08:34:13 AMhttps://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1729590994004496831


Quote from: ralfy on Nov 29, 2023, 01:38:40 AMI get this feeling that his epics will be like that at best: close but no cigar. Should have stayed with films like Alien.


Scott is arguably more well known for Gladiator than Alien among main stream audiences.

I think it's because many among these audiences are younger, which is why they also probably also don't know about The Duellists and even the first Blade Runner. This might also explain why producers want more movies that are longer, with lots of spectacle, and things like weird portrayals of historical characters.


Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 30, 2023, 02:01:17 AM
Between the uniforms, the haircut, and Phoenix having aged, I kept thinking he looked a bit like Ciaran Hinds in The Terror.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 30, 2023, 12:25:53 PM
New behind the scenes documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQyRD1cG9BY
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Post by: Ingwar on Nov 30, 2023, 09:28:45 PM
QuoteProducer Kevin J. Walsh on How 'Napoleon' Achieved the Best of Both the Streaming and Theatrical Worlds

So you started The Walsh Company and signed a deal with Apple TV+ in early 2022. Had you already set up Napoleon at Apple by then?

That's right. We had already done the deal for Napoleon, and a big part of the deal process for Napoleon was led by [Apple TV+ co-head of worldwide video] Zack Van Amburg, [co-head of worldwide video] Jamie Ehrlicht, [head of features] Matt Dentler, Joaquin's agent Boomer Malkin and I. Our relationship grew stronger through that process, but I knew Zack and Jamie from seven or eight years earlier. When I was partnered with Nat Faxon and Jim Rash, I had a TV deal at Sony TV with them. So we had a relationship, but it really was forged through the process of the Napoleon deal, because a lot of people wanted the movie.

Dedicated streamers have always had a complicated relationship with theatrical, and I get it since their priority is to create value for their subscribers and shareholders. If you're splitting box office with your competitors in a way, then you're working against that priority.

Yes.

At the same time, theatrical is the preferred presentation among filmmakers and it just feels more meaningful and eventful. So, with Apple investing so heavily in theatrical, are they more able to do that since they have many other revenue streams besides just streaming?

Absolutely. Apple and Amazon, compared to Netflix, have a different business model, and I think we're getting the best of both worlds now. We have an incredibly supportive home studio paying for this movie, and they've let Ridley paint on this massive canvas. But then we have the great acumen of distribution release with [Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures' Motion Picture Group] Tom Rothman and [president, motion picture group] Josh Greenstein. So we have two studios that are the best at what they do, and they're working together. So, for us, all boats rise with the tide. When you see a big billboard for this film's theatrical release, that's going to hopefully drive not only money to the box office, but it's also going to drive people to Apple TV+. And when I first made the move to Apple, that theatrical conversation wasn't in the forefront. That's been a development with Zack, Jamie, Matt, [senior VP of services] Eddy Cue and [CEO] Tim Cook over the last six to twelve months. So we really got the best of both worlds. We get to have our cake and eat it, too. The movie is going to do what it does during a good 45-day theatrical window, and then it goes on the service in January.

If Netflix had more arms to their business like Apple and Amazon, I wonder if they'd be more open to wide theatrical releases.

I have a huge amount of respect for those guys. I know [Netflix Chairman] Scott Stuber really well. Ridley and I produced a film [Earthquake Bird] there with my other colleague, Mike Pruss. They have a killer business. They've won the streaming number. They have so many eyeballs, but they don't have another side of the business. Apple's primary business, as you know, is telephones and computers. Amazon's primary business is toilet paper and tennis shoes. We've made movies for all these places, and we're lucky to have them all in the business. They're bringing more movies to the marketplace, and they're supporting filmmakers in a way that we aren't always getting these days. I don't know that I'd get Napoleon done at the price that I got it done if it was at another home, and I don't know if I'd have the full creative support that Zack and Jamie have given Ridley and me and everybody else.

As we addressed earlier, problem-solving is a huge part of your job, and when you're making a film like Napoleon that has multiple epic battles, there's likely a bevy of problems that come with them. So, take the showstopper, the Battle of Austerlitz, for example, what was the biggest production challenge you had to face on that one?

That was really a lot of planning. They're all massive amounts of planning. Ridley leads like a general, and no one can pull these things off in the way that he does. We do a weekly page turn with all of our [heads of department], and each Monday, we go through the problems. But Austerlitz was unique in that we shot it at multiple locations. We shot it in the hillsides of the U.K. where he filmed something from Gladiator, and then we did the second half of it at an old airport field where we did a bunch of the snow sequences and underwater tank stuff. And so it's really just watching Ridley mesh that stuff together. I've worked with very few filmmakers that can visually take different sequences and segments and make them look all seamless.

So that and figuring out the geography were the biggest challenges over the course of two locations with multiple different teams and crews. I've known my other creative producer, Mark Huffam, for over 20 years. When I was an assistant working for Scott Rudin on The Hours in 2000, Mark was the line producer. So I've known Mark for 24 years, and it was invaluable to have a partner like that to figure out these big battle sequences. We were tools in Ridley's toolbox. Mark and I were at his disposal to figure out these issues, whether they're logistical or creative, and that one just happened to come together beautifully. There were gasps at the Paris premiere when the cannon smashed into the ice. It was staggering to see it come to life like that with the challenge of those two locations.

I don't expect movies like this to be historical documents, and even though there's no Hunt for Red October-type transition from French to English, I can still imagine that the characters are hearing French while I'm hearing English. I just want to be entertained. So what's your take on the fuss over historical accuracy?

If you analyze any film, especially any biopic, you're going to see that there's a rounding of corners. You have to take creative license to make these movies engaging. So there are certain things that are heightened, and if you Google the [Egyptian] pyramids, you'll see that Ridley did something specific there that didn't happen. But it's engaging. So it's important to pluck the right moments that you want to portray in these movies, and make them engaging and fun for the audience. We never intended to make a plain biopic, and the biggest influence of any film on this film is probably [Stanley Kubrick's] Barry Lyndon. The comedy and the tone of that film really bleeds into this movie, and a lot of the reviews and reactions have cited the comedy and how it's played. So we're really pleased with that.

The original title of the film was Kitbag. Did you always know that it would be changed at some point?

Not always. Napoleon is just the connection that people know. Tom Rothman very wisely said that the star of this movie died 300 years ago. Everyone knows who Napoleon was, and it just has a much broader consumer-facing approach. But we loved the term kitbag. It came from the idea that every soldier had this baton in his kitbag and could go on to become the emperor. And that's who this guy was. He started from nothing. He was a poor Corsican scoundrel and he rose to emperor. So we love that theory, but when it comes to marketing a movie of this size and scope, you want to capture the widest net. So that's what we did with the title change.

It was probably devastating news when Jodie Comer's schedule shifted, but by some miracle, Vanessa Kirby was available. Was that a huge sigh of relief considering how important Josephine is to the narrative?

Yes. Jodie is a staggeringly talented actress. We just saw her on opening night of her Tony-winning one-woman show [Prima Facie] in New York, and she was incredible. We obviously worked with her on The Last Duel, and it was a really unfortunate thing [when she had to drop out]. And it really was scheduling. There was a Covid delay, and so they wouldn't let her out of the play. But Vanessa,  thank God, was available. When you look at people that can come in and play these parts, it gets really tight and specific. There's not a lot of people that can pull off the sexiness and the power of Josephine and how she commands the relationship with Joaquin's Napoleon. So it was a shortlist that might've been one of one, and it was one of those things that moved really quickly. And thank goodness she responded to it and wanted to meet, so it just worked out. We were able to kind of just swap the deals in and make it seamless, which is a rare thing.

Ridley is known for releasing alternative cuts of his films, and this movie is no exception. Did you guys know pretty early on that you'd be releasing a longer version of this story on Apple TV+?

That's not official yet. The cut that is in theaters is the cut that's going to stream on Apple. Downfield, there might be another thing to look at, and we have multiple longer cuts of the movie that are beautiful. But the movie that people see in the theater is the movie that's going to stream on Apple in January.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/napoleon-producer-historical-accuracy-1235683836/
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Post by: Space_Dementia on Dec 01, 2023, 12:22:47 AM
Bit of a mixed bag for me, here is my review of Napoleon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVr_Z9HoOCU
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 01, 2023, 01:56:47 AM
I do wonder why Apple didn't go with a longer cut to begin with. Killers of the Flower Moon shows they don't care about run time.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: ralfy on Dec 01, 2023, 08:19:51 AM
As pointed out in an earlier review, one can only depict the character properly through several features, which is the implication of having a longer cut. In which case, they would have been better off doing that or coming up with something like a mini-series.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 01, 2023, 08:30:39 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 30, 2023, 09:28:45 PMThe original title of the film was Kitbag. Did you always know that it would be changed at some point?

Not always. Napoleon is just the connection that people know. Tom Rothman very wisely said that the star of this movie died 300 years ago. Everyone knows who Napoleon was, and it just has a much broader consumer-facing approach. But we loved the term kitbag. It came from the idea that every soldier had this baton in his kitbag and could go on to become the emperor. And that's who this guy was. He started from nothing. He was a poor Corsican scoundrel and he rose to emperor. So we love that theory, but when it comes to marketing a movie of this size and scope, you want to capture the widest net. So that's what we did with the title change.

In retrospect, Kitbag might have been an appropriate title for this slightly campy take on Napoleon.

But I can see why Napoleon would be better from a marketing point of view, his name is a household name.

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Dec 01, 2023, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 01, 2023, 01:56:47 AMI do wonder why Apple didn't go with a longer cut to begin with. Killers of the Flower Moon shows they don't care about run time.

Probably because Apple knows an exclusive Ridley Scott cut will generate a large number of sign-ups to their platform.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 01, 2023, 06:35:29 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 28, 2023, 07:03:28 PMI've been seeing people mention that Phipps recycled bits of his War and Peace score for this. The spirit of James Horner lives on.  :laugh:

Here we go. The last half of each track. Epic stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQzEdXJj0Ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09eFSxKnscw
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 06, 2023, 07:01:08 AM
Interview with the script writer, David Scarpa. Talks a bit about Gladiator II and Cleopatra as well.

Quote from: IndieWireRidley Scott's 'Napoleon': Writer David Scarpa Explains What's True and False
And shorter is better, he says. No soup-to-nuts biopic here.


Anne Thompson: How did this project come to you?

David Scarpa: I had worked with Ridley on a movie called "All the Money in the World," and his producing partner, Kevin Walsh, who ran his company, came to me and said that Ridley wanted to do a movie about Napoleon, and didn't say much else. Like most Americans, I had only a high school basic knowledge of Napoleon or the history of the French Revolution. I had already read the [Stanley] Kubrick screenplay and knew that this was something that a lot of filmmakers had tried to do in the past. I went off and read a short biography of Napoleon.

What's the challenge when tackling a biopic like this?

For us it's difficult in 2023 to make what we call the prestige biopic, like "Gandhi" or whatever, which is the soup-to-nuts, grade-school book report version of some great man's life. There was a time for that in the "Lawrence of Arabia" era, and I'm not sure that you can do that anymore. So the real challenge for me was, how are we going to get into this?

Did Ridley say anything about what he wanted? Or what his angle was?

Particularly if you're Ridley, a lot of writers would simply say, "Well, I'll do whatever you want," right? So [Ridley] wants to know what you're going to bring to it, what your point of view on it is. It was an almost impossible story to tell just in terms of the sheer sprawl of what Napoleon had done and his influence on European history and 45 battles fought and essentially writing the Code Napoleon, which is the basis of much of continental European society. So it would be almost impossible to tell the definitive version of that story within two and a half hours. And what I found myself most intrigued by was this little vignette in the book about his relationship with Josephine, his wife.

She was a notorious figure in Paris at that time?

She had a fascinating story, because she was married at the time of the French Revolution. Her husband was a quasi-aristocrat who was taken away and beheaded on the guillotine. She was taken to the most notorious prison in France, and she narrowly avoided being executed on the guillotine by days, right before what's known as the Thermidorean Reaction, before Robespierre was killed. And so she was let out of prison and became one of the grand dames of Paris. It was a bizarre period in history, as the people who had narrowly avoided the guillotine wound up becoming celebrities in their own right. And so she with three other women became celebrity figures in France, and they wore these red ribbons around their necks to symbolize the blade, and they cut their hair short. The French fashion at the time revolved around reliving the trauma of what they'd just lived through. So she was a much more exalted figure in Paris than Napoleon, who had holes in his shoes. He was a military guy, but he was poor. He had just been promoted to general but he was a nobody in France and he attached to her and they obviously got married, but she almost immediately in a very French way carried on this affair with this man, lieutenant Hippolyte Charles, who was everything Napoleon wasn't. It became this national embarrassment as Napoleon grew more famous.

The relationship between Napoleon and Josephine, how much did Phoenix and Vanessa Kirby bring to it? I understand there was a glint in their eye when it came to the idea that they were a little kinky with each other.

That was always in the script. A lot came from his letters to Josephine, it's pretty well documented. And when you're working with somebody like Joaquin, there will be what's in the script, but he has to make it happen on the day. So it has to be something that he spontaneously creates, as opposed to something that's set in stone. But all that stuff was obviously in the script, in different ways.

Could you remember anything from the letters as an example of something that he would write to Josephine?

They were French. So they were bawdy.

So he would write things like, "I imagine doing this to you."

Oh yeah. Absolutely.

This is what you and Phoenix settled on: this awkward genius who is sexually inept.

That is very much what it was like. Obviously, we took a lot of liberties across the board. But in the essence of it, it's pretty close to what it was, particularly for somebody like Joaquin, who looks for the flaws and the weaknesses as much as the strengths in a character. That was something that attracted him as well.

The question is, what drove Napoleon? Is the movie suggesting that he was conquering the world to win the love of Josephine? Is that really his motive?

Like many narcissistic figures, he was driven by insecurity. And he was driven to conquer her. His emotional attachment to her was as much a part of that insecurity as his desire to conquer Europe. The way you phrased it, that he was driven to conquer the world to win her, is a romanticized version of that. But on some level, she was the most important relationship of his life. And even after he divorced her, it continued in the background. And there was some aspect of having to prove himself to win her, that was present throughout his life.

I was trying to get a sense of where did I stand on on this guy. Like, is he Stalin? Robespierre? More than many other historical figures, there is an argument still ongoing as to whether this guy was a monster, or a genius. We have settled opinions on all these other people. But his legacy is still very contested.

Why is that? What is it about him? Is it because he's ambiguous, ill-defined, that people still speculate about him?

One striking thing is, he's the classic example of the benevolent dictator. There's a dangerous allure to that, as the one military figure who's going to come in and fix it all. Since then Napoleon has led a lot of societies down the wrong path. And yet, at the same time, he was never really a despot. He ultimately didn't even kill the guy who was having an affair with his wife, right? There was just this completely tortured French sex comedy that was going on in the middle of all this. And it underscored how incredibly full and capable he was, and yet also how personally inept he was at the same time.

Okay, so you whittled the script down to something that you could fit into two and a half hours. How many pages was it when you first presented it to Ridley?

It actually was not that long. I was assuming nobody would give us this amount of money to do it. So I came from the perspective of what we're not going to get, we just made a movie for about $35 million. And these days, you don't get $200 million dollars to do something, unless it's a Marvel or a science-fiction movie. So I assumed that we were going to be doing this for $35 million. And lo and behold, it turned out we had quite a bit more. Going into the original version of it, the movies we talked about were 'The Duelist," which Ridley had made, and Milos Forman's "Amadeus," which was similar: it was a movie that approached someone they would normally approach in a reverent way, in an irreverent way. Mozart was this almost infantile figure, he wasn't handled in an overly fussy manner. And that was the approach that we wanted to take as well.

So you show the script to to Ridley and what does he say?

Mind you, before writing the script, I had locked onto this one particular take, and I had gone in and pitched it to him: the idea of a man who is profoundly capable and competent in the realm of battle, and yet profoundly incapable and incompetent in the realm of love, in the realm of human relationships, and how those two things play off of one another. And he loved it. I was writing pages and sending pages to him, he was off shooting "Gucci," but he responds to things along the way. So there was a lot more dialogue along the way to creating a draft.

I love that you started with Marie Antoinette under the blade. It captures everything about that revolutionary moment.

That's not how we originally started it. That's Ridley's own alchemy. We had a different scene that was 10 pages in. And at a certain point, Ridley decided he wanted to pick that up and move that; it all landed on this moment of Napoleon taking in the guillotine, and having this ambivalence about where democracy leads: this is where the rule of the mob leads us. Things in this movie get picked up and moved around, changed and shifted.

Why did you change the name from "Kit Bag"?

Oh, that was Ridley's working title. I mean, it was never going to be called "Kit Bag." But for whatever reason he liked the famous saying that every Corporal carries a General's baton in his kit bag. This is actually a positive cultural thing that Napoleon gave to France, this idea of meritocracy, that anybody no matter how low born, if they had the skills should be able to advance and move from Corporal to General within his army. Previously most of the armies in the rest of the world were run by heredity: you'll be given a generalship based on who your uncle or who your father was, and they weren't necessarily the most skilled people. And he blew that up.

Do you have a theory as to why the Brits like the movie better than anyone else?

Ridley is British. Culturally, the British have always had a weird relationship with Napoleon, a mocking relationship to him, as this imperious French figure who had feet of clay. The movie corresponds more to their view of him.

Were you upset by what was left on the cutting room floor? And have you seen what the longer version of "Napoleon" would look like?

I have seen what's in the longer version. It works better, like most movies, in a tighter form. It gained a lot through the editing. Forget what's on the cutting room floor, there's also what is not there from earlier drafts, a ton of stuff never wound up going before the camera. There were other battles and those I'm glad because we would have bogged down. But, all kinds of material that we generated. And then ultimately, we had to make choices in terms of what got shot, but also what winds up in the cut. I don't think there's any way that in the format of a feature film that you can possibly tell the entirety of this story. You could easily do five seasons of a series on Napoleon, and still not get to the end of it, in terms of the material. So inevitably, you have to make choices. And this is a pretty concise version.

You also wrote "Gladiator 2," which is actually filming?

December 1.

Does it come right after the last movie?

It's a rare case of a sequel coming 23 years after the original movie. Usually they come a little bit sooner. So that should tell you right there. It wouldn't have been possible to tell the story directly after.

Are you involved in Denis Villeneuve's "Cleopatra"?

There's a long history of Stacey Schiff's book by the same title. A lot of writers have taken their shot at that. I have no idea what Denis is ultimately going to do with it. There have been many scripts. And mine was one of them.

Full interview here: https://www.indiewire.com/awards/consider-this/ridley-scott-napoleon-writer-david-scarpa-true-false-1234931486/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 08, 2023, 07:54:16 AM
Wonder if Riddles' French residence permit will be revoked? On the up side, he might now be in line for a dukedom back in Blighty...  ;D

Quote from: VarietyFrench Historians Slam Ridley Scott's 'Napoleon' Inaccuracies: 'Like Spitting in the Face of French People'.

Ridley Scott's "Napoleon" is a movie that French people love to hate. But despite harsh criticism in France, the historical epic smashed the French box office and grossed over $9.76 million from 1.15 million tickets sold in its first two weeks in theaters.

Ironically, "Napoleon" got the lowest score of all of Scott's recent movies on Allociné, the local equivalent of IMDb, with 2.3 stars out of 5 from 4,659 users' reviews, yet it's one of Scott's biggest hits in France. "Napoleon," starring Joaquin Phoenix as Napoléon Bonaparte, a Corsica-born officer who became Emperor of France, and Vanessa Kirby as his wife as Joséphine de Beauharnais, world premiered in Paris on Nov. 14, a few days after the end of the SAG-AFTRA strike.

Scott's last two movies, "The Last Duel" and "House of Gucci," were warmly reviewed in France, and yet they sold only 425,000 and 800,000 tickets respectively during their releases there. But "Napoleon" isn't totally bulletproof, says Comscore France's Eric Marti. Released by Sony, the Apple production "debuted with a bang in France but lost 50% in its second week, which is a sign of a bad word-of-mouth," says Marti, predicting that it will probably sell between 1.6 and 1.8 million tickets in France, on par with Scott's 2012 movie "Prometheus." It will still be one of his biggest successes in France — over the last 10 years the only Scott movie that performed better is "The Martian," with 2.5 million tickets sold.
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Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 08, 2023, 07:57:14 AM
If that happens A Good Year will have a different feel to it. :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 12, 2023, 02:24:59 PM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1734302030687265028
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Post by: Ingwar on Dec 12, 2023, 02:50:51 PM
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Quote'Napoleon' costume designers find it takes an army to dress an army

It takes an army to dress an army. The costume design team behind "Napoleon," the epic retelling of Napoleon Bonaparte's personal life and military career, had to think like the legendary French general by constantly strategizing, relentlessly researching and exhaustively applying all of their skills.

Director Ridley Scott returned to his frequent collaborator, costume designer Janty Yates, who won an Oscar for her work on Scott's "Gladiator." She turned to her own collaborator, David Crossman, a military costume design expert who focused on Napoleon and the many armies.

Together they made thousands of uniforms, hundreds of civilian outfits and dozens of elegant ensembles for royalty and aristocrats.

"You wake up at 3 in the morning absolutely terrified, because you are so worried about it getting done. Plus, you want it to look lovely, because it is Napoleon," said Crossman, who created more than 4,000 uniforms and helped create an elaborate coronation scene.

The Apple Original Films and Columbia Pictures production is a military action movie crossed with a love story that stars Oscar winner Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon and Vanessa Kirby as Empress Josephine. It's a lush retelling that absorbs the elegance of the Napoleonic era, which is well documented in art.

"You want it to look something like those paintings, because all of the paintings of the period are beautiful. You want it to look like that and not a terrible costume movie," Crossman said. Though Scott, who has four Oscar nominations, didn't specifically request exacting historical accuracy in the costumes, that's what he got.

"We did a huge amount of hands-on research," said Yates. She and Crossman visited museums and historical sites such as the enormous royal retreat south of Paris, the Château de Fontainebleau; the Musee de L'Emperi, which contains large stores of French military uniforms; the British Museum; the Victoria and Albert Museum; and Château de Malmaison, which is where Josephine retired and died in 1814.

The team studied actual garments that Napoleon and his wife, Josephine, wore in the 1800s, plus other rare period clothes, including his famous bicorn hat. Yates said that especially for Josephine's 30 richly embellished gowns, everything visible was hand-sewn, adding to the verisimilitude.

"We were able to borrow lots of absolutely original French Revolution coats and breeches, which we then took patterns from and made copies of. We used that for mass production," Crossman said. That authentic silhouette would erase the creep of modernization that taints many rental costumes. Plus, no costume house had near the quantity of period uniforms they required for the many battles.

Yet some historic processes had to bend to contemporary concerns.

"One of the things I was most worried about was producing his hat, because [Phoenix] can't wear felt. It's a wool item," Crossman said, citing the actor's aversion to anything made of animal products. "If the hat were a synthetic, it would look terrible. Then we came across a processed tree bark, which looks very much like felt and has an interesting texture." It worked. Still, sheer numbers were their ongoing challenge.

The duo costumed up to 900 background actors daily for large scenes (Yates recalled dressing up to 3,000 extras a day for "Gladiator"). Most days, however, required dressing between 300 and 400 background actors, which could include crowd scenes, or multiple army units from different countries. Though computer-generated imagery could fill in some scenes, "It was still a helluva lot," Yates said.

The film was shot on location mostly in England and on the remote island of Malta. A costume crew headquartered in a large London warehouse staged the costumes for each day's shoot. That effort required a costume department crew of about 80, plus untold numbers of artisans in workshops around the world who wove custom fabric, cast jewelry and hand-embroidered costumes with bullion wire.

The nonstop, nearly five-month shoot required the costume team to fit each background actor with four to six costumes to build efficiency into the scene changes.

One of the most daunting scenes was the massive coronation, which took place at Notre Dame in 1804 and is depicted in "The Coronation of Napoleon," the 1807 painting by Jacques-Louis David. "He sums up the whole Napoleonic Empire in his art," Yates said.

"The scene was quite huge because we completely copied, literally dress by dress, the David painting," she said. "I think our trains that we had for Joaquin and Vanessa as Josephine and Napoleon are exactly the same length and the exact same embroidery."

Some of that embroidery contributed to Crossman's sleepless nights. Many of the military and coronation costumes were so elaborately decorated that they needed months of hand work. Crossman and Yates had to send pattern pieces to be embroidered months ahead of shooting and casting, meaning they had to account for changes in final sizes.

Their exhaustive research also busted a myth about Napoleon's size.

"Everybody was under the impression that he was very short. He wasn't," Yates said. "That was British propaganda."

And that other classic bit with the general slipping his hand inside his jacket? Though Napoleon was portrayed with that stance, the gesture didn't end up in the movie.

"I asked Joaquin if he was going to do it," Crossman said. The response: "Nah."

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/awards/story/2023-12-11/costumes-napoleon-janty-yates-david-crossman-dress-an-army
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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 13, 2023, 08:01:08 AM
Quote from: ColliderNapoleon' Global Box Office Charges to New Levels

Apple Studios took a chance by releasing Ridley Scott's historical epic Napoleon in theaters – and it's a chance that has mostly paid off. The biopic of the famed French general is soaring to new heights at the worldwide box office. The film to date has grossed $170.8 in global ticket sales, the vast majority of which have come from overseas markets. Napoleon has garnered this total by generating $117.7 million at the international box office and $53.1 million domestically.

Napoleon earned its international box office haul from more than 12,800 screens in 64 overseas markets. Even through its third weekend in theaters, the film is staying strong internationally and brought in $16.1 million during this most recent three-day, a decent hold from the $35 million it garnered last weekend. On the domestic side of things, the film has reached its $53.1 million total thanks to a $4.2 million weekend at 3,350 locations throughout the United States.

https://collider.com/napoleon-global-box-office-170-million/
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Post by: Ingwar on Dec 13, 2023, 11:49:12 AM
Better than The Last Duel for sure ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6lLZgKrqwM
Full article here: https://www.tvbeurope.com/production-post/how-bluebolt-went-into-battle-for-ridley-scotts-napoleon
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 13, 2023, 02:53:39 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 13, 2023, 11:49:12 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6lLZgKrqwM
Full article here: https://www.tvbeurope.com/production-post/how-bluebolt-went-into-battle-for-ridley-scotts-napoleon

Nice, someone should really make a Battle of Trafalgar movie, the technology is good enough for that now.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 15, 2023, 04:30:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvnGFwufdRM
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: DarthJoker45 on Dec 17, 2023, 08:37:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ConversationUS/status/1736118437154291764
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 21, 2023, 01:54:06 PM
https://twitter.com/NapoleonMovie/status/1736868949420323071
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Post by: Ingwar on Dec 23, 2023, 09:29:17 PM
How the biggest VFX moments in Ridley Scott's 'Napoleon' were made

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Full article: https://beforesandafters.com/2023/12/22/how-the-biggest-vfx-moments-in-ridley-scotts-napoleon-were-made/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 24, 2023, 08:45:55 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 23, 2023, 09:29:17 PM
QuoteBut, the historical accuracy side of this is that, for the French troops, they didn't actually supply them with trousers, they had to bring their own, and that meant that everyone's trousers are different (in fact they're more like pyjama bottoms).

That's kinda funny because they had all these elaborate and fancy hats and jackets but then had to supply their own trousers.

British troops were supplied with white trousers. But they were only white until it started to rain. That was because the red dye used in British jackets weren't waterproof. So historically, British troops were mostly seen walking around in pink pants.  ;D


QuoteRidley would show us a storyboard and there'd be birds in it! I was like, 'Oh man, we need to have pigeons here.' We shot pigeon elements and used those and then also simulated some birds. On set, though, there wasn't any pigeon crap, so we had to add that. This was both pigeon poop on the walls and floors and chairs, and a moment when one drops while Napoleon is on the throne

;D
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https://twitter.com/AppleFilms/status/1739695525861920998

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 05, 2024, 02:36:54 PM
https://twitter.com/jphoenixupdates/status/1742993256005153279

https://twitter.com/FlickMatic_/status/1743279988718342373

The fake snow industry loves Ridley Scott.

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Post by: Ingwar on Jan 05, 2024, 09:51:13 PM
Script

https://deadline.com/2024/01/napoleon-screenplay-read-david-scarpa-script-ridley-scott-1235669329/
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https://twitter.com/AppleFilms/status/1743366841874129333

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QuoteFact VS Fiction: discover the real Napoleonic objects which inspired the scenes of the film #Napoleon by Ridley Scott in a tour dedicated to the Army Museum.

Half decorated sword is historically accurate shocker:

https://twitter.com/MuseeArmee/status/1743316435697533208
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 06, 2024, 04:14:51 PM
How the hell did Ridley get a 2hr 40 min movie out of a 105 page script, let alone an alleged four hour cut?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 06, 2024, 04:17:09 PM
Improvisation?  ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 06, 2024, 04:17:38 PM
Villeneuve did the same with 2049.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2024, 09:40:18 PM
As Ridley says: just f**king do it ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 09, 2024, 03:02:29 PM
New behind the scenes featurette. This is a longer version of the one previously released:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ot-jjWPXTA
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 10, 2024, 01:50:10 PM
New 10 minute extended clip for those who haven't seen the film yet. Spectacular underwater photography:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Pj8PvJxaY
https://twitter.com/CreativeBloq/status/1745069409704509485




And some more behind the scenes clips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPeVXtV28wo
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Post by: Mala'kak on Jan 10, 2024, 03:04:59 PM
Just purchased this on iTunes and watched it yesterday. It's amazing!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 11, 2024, 07:45:44 AM
The hilarious coup scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaJ3axhIGNk
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 12, 2024, 02:32:22 PM
Battle of Toulon scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iim9y0LzEs0
Longer clip of the coronation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiCKH6DCX6Y
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 14, 2024, 12:26:55 PM
CGI done right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exWFS-0Rois
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9zFaYY5GHg
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 15, 2024, 02:30:55 PM
Here is MPC's visual effects reel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8DaTOKSNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW_Fb-fkrCk
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Post by: Ingwar on Jan 17, 2024, 02:09:02 PM
QuoteCan you tell me why the British critics liked "Napoleon" so much better than everyone else? They wrote raves.

Ridley Scott: We just passed $200 million, so we're doing all right. I don't pay attention to reviews. The only reviews I pay attention to are my own. If you're a painter, your only real review is yourself. You're by yourself doing a painting [and] at the end of it, you stop painting because you're finished. I was trained as a painter, then a graphic designer, at the Royal College of Art. I decided I couldn't stand the loneliness of a studio all by myself; I needed to have a target. With graphic design and photography, you have a brief and you have to answer the question of what to do and how to do it. You can go off and make a film for yourself, which will be a small indie movie. I made an indie movie [in 1977] called "The Duellists," which got me a prize at Cannes. That got me in. I was off and running quick.

With "Napoleon," were you planning to make it as a smaller movie? And were you shocked when Apple gave you the big money?

Ridley Scott: Yeah, I'm used to big money. I take my hat off to Apple for being courageous enough to take on one historic drama. What happened to the intelligent audience? Superheroes have taken the place of some of the historical dramas, right? Really? So from time to time I will do a historical film like "Kingdom of Heaven." It was shot in Morocco. They thought I was going to run down the Muslims, but the film was in support of this Muslim Balian de Ibelin [Orlando Bloom], who was a hero in anybody's country. It's fantastic. "Napoleon" has to be big because of who he was and what he did. And he's comparable, honestly, to even Alexander the Great, when you look at what he covered, and what he got, what he accomplished.

You filmed "Napoleon" in 64 days.

Ridley Scott: It would normally be about 120, but I like to use multicam because it helps me and it gives the actors freedom. That's the big deal — eight cameras allows for things to go off the rails and get better than that which was written. The three and a half hour [version] encompasses everything. You don't want length, you want dynamics. You want the story in the book, the narrative to work as a good dynamic. When it's long, it's simply long. There's a couple of films out this year, which were simply too long for the material. You just get bored.

When your "Gladiator" star Joaquin Phoenix arrived on the Napoleon set, was he spontaneously changing things?

Ridley Scott: When I was coming to do "Gladiator," I thought, "All the usual handsome princes are wrong." I said, 'No, I don't want that." I kept thinking about Joaquin. So I had a bit of a fight with the studio and the money to have Joaquin play the emperor, but it was the perfect choice. [Scott produced the 1998 dark comedy "Clay Pigeons," which starred Phoenix and Vince Vaughn.] I know what he can do, so we always maintain a relationship. So I test him out saying, "I'm thinking about doing 'Napoleon,' what do you think?" He said, something like "yum, yum." That was it.

He's known for improvising on set.

Ridley Scott: I'm known for it because I do eight cameras; that allows improvisation. When you have one camera, you have to say "cut," you're going off-course. When I have eight, I'm planning for improvisation. I do eight to 11 cameras on every movement.

So what did he bring to that character? Beyond the script.

Ridley Scott: I have to make the "Napoleon" statement that goes on paper. Then he reads it and has to say "yes." Before you even get near the floor, in my office, we sat there for a month, literally going through everything.

I interviewed your writer David Scarpa and he prefers the short version to the long version of your movie.

Ridley Scott: You haven't seen the long version? So how can you say that?

How long is it? Three and a half hours?

Ridley Scott: The longer version is three and a half hours. Every cut is always longer. When you're cutting and showing you watch the 3:45, the 3:30. And I like the 3:30 cut. Except, one has to take into account when films are running 3:30 in the theater. Now I'm running 13,000 screens in a theater, I have to be responsible, I'm very aware, and conscious of the budget I'm given, I'm responsible to that budget.

So Josephine (Vanessa Kirby) gets more time in the longer version?

Ridley Scott: A little bit of everything, but Josephine certainly has more time in prison. We explain who she was and how she came back. The short haircut came about because in prison, the women cut their hair because the guillotine is like Velcro on hair. The guillotine hitting her can actually be stopped. So if you're going to get guillotined, you want to the head to come off with one stroke. You do not want three. So they all cut their hair, all knowing fatalistically they're just destined for guillotine.

The most revealing thing was the vulnerability of Naopleon's letters to Josephine. His letters were almost juvenile in their sexuality. He adores her, come what may. He left his army in Egypt because she was playing around in Paris. That's true. And he never went back. So half his army was left behind in Egypt, so they just stayed. He abandoned them.

How did you decide which battles you were going to do? You always keep it clear. You always show us exactly what we need to know.

Ridley Scott: There were 66 battles. We choose those which, first of all, were the milestones within the context of the three acts and his evolution. One of the most spectacularly well-planned chess games was Austerlitz. It was on the lake in the ice. He strategically chose it knowing where the Austria-Russian army were. He choose a spot around this massive lake about 12 kilometers away. He chose a stone village on the edge of the lake, which is a fisherman's village. The Russians are used to a wooden waffle where bullets will fly through. Stone becomes a castle, so you lower the appearance of 4,000 men in tents there. Whether the Russians or Cossacks had scouts, he knew he would be spotted. That's what he wants. You're going to push them onto the lake, and then they're going to camp on the lake.

The stunning shots of cannonballs and horses plunging through the ice into the lake were digital effects.

Ridley Scott: Well, the lake was an airfield. And the wood where he was, we blended the woodland and its hill, so it has a vantage point looking down onto the airfield by blending the airfield onto the wood.

You made Waterloo look very different.

Ridley Scott: Waterloo was two miles apart, which is bizarre. So the horses had to get some mileage to meet in the middle. My battlefield was about 800 meters, just nearly a mile. So Waterloo was spread out, right? Wellington was a great study, he had studied Napoleon's tactics: "He cannot help himself, he has to go into the field." So you watch him come onto the field.

People have said that the movie wasn't accurate. Does it matter? Do you care?

Ridley Scott: I said, "Get a life." But let me add to that. There's 2,400 books written about Napoleon. That's one book for every week of his life. You're telling me that 2,300 are accurate? Give me a break. The danger about writers is they tend to think about the importance of how good their writing is.

Why was it so hard to get other Napoleon movies made? Abel Gance managed it. Kubrick didn't.

Ridley Scott: When Stanley died, I got the "Bonaparte" script from his estate because I used to talk to him from time to time. But the script was, as you would expect, from birth to death. He started to make the whole thing for two and a half years editing. That was his way: He'd find the solution out of miles of footage from every part of the story. Sergei Bondarchuk decided to do "Napoleon" [in 1971]. I didn't like the Bondarchuk version, because they only took the part in his later days where he appeared to be out of his mind throughout the whole movie, which became exhausting. That was a bad decision. Right? They had a Russian army and 100,000 troops. They were real. Wow. There's the Abel Gance [1927], in black-and-white, which is a marvelous pictorial triptych done to music.

I tried to make "Napoleon" accessible. By concentrating the eye on his fragility, on his Achilles heel, that was my choice. I wanted to not so much make it about wars, but about why this man who was so powerful, was so vulnerable with this woman. And it's got to go beyond the bedroom. The bedroom wears out. It has to be something else in his psyche. He was deeply, passionately involved, in love with her forever, from the moment he set eyes on her. When she becomes the Empress of France, then she has to start paying attention to him.

Are you in a hurry to get many things done? Are you feeling like you need to keep moving?

Ridley Scott: I have been in my career. I've done about 200 TV shows, but I've done about 30 quite large movies myself. I just love to work. I'm sitting in my vineyard right now. I've had this 29 years. And so I make wine as well. It's just who I am.

https://www.indiewire.com/awards/consider-this/ridley-scott-napoleon-gladiator-2-interview-1234943960/
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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 17, 2024, 02:42:29 PM
https://twitter.com/EDouglasWW/status/1747319218565976086
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Post by: Ingwar on Jan 18, 2024, 12:13:50 PM
Napoleon 4:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yPLwJr3xa4
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Post by: PullthePlug on Jan 18, 2024, 12:56:55 PM
Four BAFTA nominations for Napoleon including Outstanding British Film.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 18, 2024, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: PullthePlug on Jan 18, 2024, 12:56:55 PMFour BAFTA nominations for Napoleon including Outstanding British Film.

Any French awards/nominations?  ;D
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Post by: PullthePlug on Jan 18, 2024, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 18, 2024, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: PullthePlug on Jan 18, 2024, 12:56:55 PMFour BAFTA nominations for Napoleon including Outstanding British Film.

Any French awards/nominations?  ;D

 :laugh: No dessert for you
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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 20, 2024, 02:25:23 PM
I posted this interview with Ridley by CBS a few months ago just before the film came out. They now posted this again as an "extended" interview, so not sure if there is anything new in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj1bAFlegiQ
Looks like the original one was only 7 minutes in length.
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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 23, 2024, 02:41:38 PM
Must say, the visual effects were really good, especially after watching all the effects reels of the companies that worked on the film and realising just how heavy the VFX workload on it actually was.

https://twitter.com/AppleFilms/status/1749793957704266221
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Post by: VodouSpartan on Jan 23, 2024, 02:46:31 PM
Genuinely surprised by how many positive reviews I'm seeing of the Napoleon movie here, I honestly thought it was one of Ridley's and Joaquin's "worser" movies. At most 6/10
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 23, 2024, 02:53:16 PM
It's location dependent. If you're a Brit it's one of the best things since Marmalade on toast. If you're French it's one of the worst things since the battle of Waterloo.
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Post by: PullthePlug on Jan 23, 2024, 03:45:44 PM
3 Oscar nominations for Napoleon.

Costume
Production Design
Visual Effects
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Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 26, 2024, 02:32:42 PM
https://twitter.com/AmericanCine/status/1750186947660718204
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Post by: Ingwar on Jan 26, 2024, 04:03:57 PM
The best in-depth material about Napoleon so far.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 26, 2024, 06:07:26 PM
QuoteRidley Scott: "I'm Not Doing Radio Plays, I'm Making Cinema"

American Cinematographer: What inspired you to make a film about Napoleon?

Ridley Scott:
I was a very successful commercial director. I had a good office in Paris, and from that, I really got to feel and enjoy the French culture: their food, their restaurants, the importance of wine. Almost by accident, I discovered a short book, a 100-page novella called The Duellists, about two soldiers in Napoleon's army, which I turned into a movie [photographed by Frank Tidy, BSC]. In that film you have a working-class Harvey Keitel, and Keith Carradine, who is playing upper class. So, you have a clash of cultures, a clash of class in the same army. Napoleon brought this about: He put together the two classes because he figured he needed them both. The film ends on an image of Harvey Keitel — except to me, Harvey Keitel was the shape and dream of Napoleon Bonaparte.

Jump many years on, and I had done Gladiator and had a good experience with Joaquin [Phoenix]. I'm shooting a film called The Last Duel and I'm two kilometers from where I shot the calvary charge in The Duellists. And it all suddenly tumbled back. I'm not saying we wrote the script fast, but The Duellists was an endorsement to me that we already had a roughed-out version of Napoleon, though I couldn't quite get there. This pushed the new film home.

Dariusz Wolski, ASC mentioned that Abel Gance's Napoléon was an influence, and that you nearly included a version of that film's memorable snowball fight in your film.

Abel Gance was a spectacular art director. I was going to start on the snowball fight, [but] then everyone said, 'Everyone's seen Abel Gance's movie.' I said, 'No, they haven't. It's a four-hour number, and not everyone wants to sit through four hours.' As to not including the snowball fight, I don't regret it — except that when you make a film, you always think, 'Maybe I should have put that in.' I'd even storyboarded the fight, which [involved] cadets in a snowy quadrangle. The younger cadets are being brutally pounded by the older cadets, while behind a column is a small cadet making snowballs. What's interesting is he's putting stones into each snowball. He flings one, strikes the older cadet on the head and there is blood. You cut, [and] they're in an office standing on a mat before the commandant. 'What is your name, boy?' The boy says, 'Napoleon, sir.' 'Your second name?' 'Bonaparte.' That was the beginning of the movie.

That sounds like a terrific scene. Did you film it?

No, no, no, I'm a director who's very conscious of his budget and very respectful of anyone who is crazy enough to give me money to make a movie.

Why did you want to tackle a subject as grand as Napoleon?

The personal life of Napoleon is hard to fathom unless you actually take a look at the man and the letters that he wrote with great passion. I would say [he had] an almost immature passion for this woman, Joséphine. What was it that made him need her? It went beyond the bedroom because the bedroom eventually will wear out. There was a need he had for her. She didn't realize she needed him until he said, 'We're getting divorced.' For him to get divorced from her was tragic because he needed a successor. So, you've got an evolving personal story. Once she'd left his side, he looked after her really well. He even took the baby that he'd wanted through her [and] gave her the baby to hold, which I thought was an incredibly beautiful thing to do.

Is it true you created more scenes for Joséphine during production?

Once she was out of the picture, I missed her. So, I started digging through her letters during editing. One of the most beautiful letters actually helped me with the ending, because I did not want to have Napoleon salute at Waterloo and get arrested and go away. I wanted to go on and on and on because that's what happened. At the very end, when he's on St. Helena, he's imprisoned by an English governor who hates his guts. But that English governor had two daughters. Napoleon was enchanted by them and was seen to often sit and chat with them. One day, one daughter was able to wear Napoleon's hat and wave his sword around in the orchard. That sat with me — my God, what an image! Over that I put the letter of Joséphine, who wrote, 'You've had a go at Emperor and failed. Join me and let me now have a go to see how well we do.' And then he died.

What makes Dariusz such a valuable collaborator?

He copes with me! My pressure on Dariusz is huge. He has to be able to cope with an ambition of wide shots and close shots all shot together. That's tough, [but] Dariusz is a master of that. I was a pretty good camera operator myself on 2,000 commercials, then The Duellists, then Alien. I've [always] worked very closely with a DP because frequently it's the frame that is the most important thing. After that, it's how you balance the light.

I did a thing [with multiple cameras] on American Gangster with another cameraman [Harris Savides, ASC], who was very good. I got on well with him, and he honestly did a terrific job on the film. But I started to introduce three cameras, four cameras, [and] he didn't like that. I heard him talking to the gaffer, saying, 'I can't cope with all of these cameras, what do you think?' And the gaffer said, 'Actually, I kind of enjoy it.'

When you've got one camera, you do everything one way. Meanwhile, the actor off camera is quietly getting exhausted. When you come around to him, now he's tired. I saw that the repetition was killing and slowing down the acting, and I like to keep the acting very alive. So, if you don't rehearse too much, you know what you want, and you begin with at least two cameras, then you can easily do four. You do a medium shot and a close-up from each side with the same key light — what's the difference? Then you move to six or eight. That's where Dariusz is a master. He'll just call me and say, 'Okay, give me 40 minutes.' I think he loves to move fast as well, and he is suited to me because he can cope and he thinks beautifully with the light.

How do you block a scene for multiple cameras?

I storyboard everything. My boards are very specific, from medium shot [to] close shot [to] wide shot. I can even imagine the location, so I draw the location and we tend to look for that location. The geometry is everything.

How do you make sure the cameras don't capture the lights or other cameras and their operators?

I'll do wide and, if we can get in, medium and close. Now we've evolved into an age where the cameraman is in shot. I've usually dressed him in the costume of the scene. All I've got to do is give him a glass of wine and take out the camera!

Blade Runner was famously overlooked upon its original release. Why do you think that was?

Sometimes I think the visuals [were] so strong that people couldn't cope with the visuals and [still grasp] the story, which is very straightforward. So, you've got to be careful with your visuals. But then I think, 'Well, wait a minute. I'm not doing radio plays, I'm making cinema!'

https://theasc.com/articles/ridley-scott-making-cinema-napoleon
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 26, 2024, 07:26:57 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 26, 2024, 06:07:26 PM
QuoteDariusz Wolski, ASC mentioned that Abel Gance's Napoléon was an influence, and that you nearly included a version of that film's memorable snowball fight in your film.

Abel Gance was a spectacular art director. I was going to start on the snowball fight, [but] then everyone said, 'Everyone's seen Abel Gance's movie.' I said, 'No, they haven't. It's a four-hour number, and not everyone wants to sit through four hours.' As to not including the snowball fight, I don't regret it — except that when you make a film, you always think, 'Maybe I should have put that in.' I'd even storyboarded the fight, which [involved] cadets in a snowy quadrangle. The younger cadets are being brutally pounded by the older cadets, while behind a column is a small cadet making snowballs. What's interesting is he's putting stones into each snowball. He flings one, strikes the older cadet on the head and there is blood. You cut, [and] they're in an office standing on a mat before the commandant. 'What is your name, boy?' The boy says, 'Napoleon, sir.' 'Your second name?' 'Bonaparte.' That was the beginning of the movie.

Remember when Ridley described that scene in the beginning of this thread, years ago?



Quote from: Ingwar on Jun 14, 2021, 06:21:19 PMAccording to Ridley:

Spoiler
RIDLEY SCOTT I'll show you. I'm working on [a film about Napoleon Bonaparte]. It's starting with a snowball fight in Corsica. I want Napoleon as a young boy to put a stone inside a snowball because he's losing the fight to the other boys in his military school. He fights dirty. So I draw that out. It fits the location I've already found in Malta, a fantastic Napoleonic courtyard. But it all starts with a great script [by David Scarpa]. The script is inspiring. I read it, and I started drawing, which means I'm filming already.
[close]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ridley-scott-raised-by-wolves-1234965758/
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Post by: Ingwar on Jan 26, 2024, 08:04:38 PM
Yeah, I do remember. It was June 2021? Jesus!
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Quote from: American CinematographerDivide and Conquer: VFX for Napoleon

Visual effects supervisor Charley Henley leads multi-front effort to bring director Ridley Scott's densely layered vision to the screen. Joe Fordham

Editor's note: As these images were supplied by the participating visual effects companies, they may differ in color and contrast from how the completed shots appear in the release of the film, as they did not pass through the final timing process.


To recreate the Napoleonic era (1799-1815) for the Apple+ production Napoleon, director Ridley Scott, Dariusz Wolski, ASC and production designer Arthur Max teamed with an army of visual-effects, special-effects, and miniature-effects teams to artfully augment what they could accomplish in-camera.


Leading the Napoleon VFX initiative was the production's VFX supervisor, Charley Henley, marking his sixth assignment for Scott — including his work as a digital artist on Gladiator (AC, May 2000). Joined by VFX producer Sarah Tulloch, Henley marshaled visual effects from preproduction through to final outputs, drawing on the resources of 15 studios based in the U.K., U.S. and Europe, together with an in-house VFX team at the Napoleon production base in London.

Preproduction, 2022
Henley's role included early collaborations to brainstorm the conceptual approach toward the recreation of historical environments and, in particular, six battles across Europe and North Africa that interwove the tempestuous love story between the despotic French emperor Napoleon (Joaquin Phoenix) and his lover Josephine (Vanessa Kirby). "As you get into films that have a more weighty aspect of the VFX, it generally pays to bring in VFX early and have them work alongside the other heads of department," notes Henley. "The VFX supervisor becomes one of the longer-running roles on a show, starting in preproduction. Visual effects are often quite a large part of the budget and producers want to figure out early what they'll need. That involves establishing our relationship with the production designer and the cinematographer. We get in early, knowing that on a larger film, we'll potentially bring in more visual effects supervisors to divide and conquer."


The VFX team included Moving Picture Company, which focused on the climactic Battle of Waterloo, the French army's march into Moscow, and scenes around Napoleon and Josephine's palatial homes in France. Meanwhile, Industrial Light & Magic handled a snow battle at Austerlitz; BlueBolt Visual Effects focused on the siege of Toulon and Paris riots; Outpost VFX handled Napoleon's exploits in Egypt; Light VFX attended Napoleon's Battle of Borodino in the Russian tundra; One of Us assisted opening scenes of Marie Antoinette's beheading; and Freefolk, PFX, Ghost VFX, Cheap Shot and The Magic Camera Company rounded out the team. Argon Effects and The Third Floor provided previsualization, Visualskies the scanning of sets and props, and The Imaginarium Studios handled motion capture.


One of Ridley Scott's long-time collaborators, special-effects supervisor Neil Corbould, provided mechanical rigs and pyrotechnics, while prosthetic effects designer Cliff Wallace and his team added to the viscera. On-set VFX supervisor Richard Bain accompanied the shoot on locations in the U.K. and Malta, allowing Henley and Tulloch to plan VFX strategies and key issues, while the in-house VFX team worked alongside the production at Twickenham Studios.


"The idea from the beginning," states Henley, "was to put in front of camera as much real as possible until that became impractical. So, instead of building 48 tall ships, we got one — and that was a good start. The impracticality of finding 40,000 troops and getting them all ready [for camera] in the morning meant Ridley wouldn't be shooting at nine in the morning and we wouldn't make our day. So, we had to find a balance [with VFX] in getting such a huge film done in an efficient time. We always started with real elements, and Ridley laid down what he wanted on the shoot."


To keep up with Scott's rapid-fire production pace — using multiple cameras in natural terrains and English stately homes — in-house digital artist Daniel Rickard developed a real-time previsualization tool, called V-Pad, that simulated blends of visual effects with production photography. "Dan did a lot of visualization and he built all our apps," explains Henley. "In prep, we often involve previz companies to work out the logistics of what we were going to do technically and to explore potentially problematic scenes. For example, we prevized Austerlitz with Argon.

"I think of Ridley as an artist. Visual effects are one of his brushes. It's part of the layering of his images. It's his final layer."
— VFX supervisor Charley Henley

The snow battle involved a combination of two locations, a forest overlooking an enemy village on a frozen battle plain, which VFX helped align on set. Henley adds, "Dan's app allowed us to line up shots, apply the camera lens, and we could view any part of the set looking back at the other set. The camera operator could then see they might need to tilt down to frame the village from the woods. Or, in the village looking back to Napoleon in the woods, we could check the framing and the lens were going to work for VFX."

Toulon, 1793
This previs tool also assisted scenes of Napoleon's assault on the Royalist and British-occupied port of Toulon. The production selected Fort Ricasoli in Malta as the location for the dockside stronghold. Arthur Max augmented Ricasoli's architecture with a rooftop set built in the fort's courtyard. BlueBolt stitched the rooftop set to the surrounding area. "We were inside the fort, so from the outside you'd look back and see the real fort," notes Henley. "A lot of work around that set was to do with establishing a look for the night skies. The sequence has so many explosions, with lighting coming from the fire, so a day-for-night effect never would have had that drama. Neil Corbould's team created practical explosions. If an explosion occurred near camera, or if we needed more fire light, we also used LEDs that could flash to create interactive light. For bigger burning areas, Dariusz set up powerful lights to represent fire. VFX later replaced those lights with fire."

To establish a forest of tall-ship masts docked at Toulon, the production moored the three-mast frigate Étoile du Roy – redressed as HMS Inconstant – in Valletta Harbor. BlueBolt generated an additional flotilla in 24-gun, 34-gun, and 104-gun, three-deck Victory-class configurations.

"Our biggest ship was modeled on the real HMS Victory," says Henley, referring to the 245-year-old Royal Navy vessel that now serves as a museum ship. "We also shot aboard the Victory in Portsmouth [England] for later scenes when Napoleon has been caught by the English. The Victory was part of the British fleet in Toulon, so that was a nice historical link. Looking down from the fort where the ships are all lined up and they're bombarded by mortars of molten lead, one of those ships was real and the row boats and stunt guys were real. We took the real ship out to sea to shoot plates as a basis for all the other ships in the British Navy fleet."


To add to the conflagration of tall-ships receiving molten mortar fire, Magic Camera Company built 1/4-scale masts, sails, and rigging to represent various classes of tall-ships that they filmed igniting and collapsing during a nocturnal airfield shoot.


Napoleon distinguishes himself in battle at Toulon after his horse is horrifically shot out from beneath him. Scott captured the horse fall on location in Malta using a mechanical-effects rig that Corbould's team created to fling a stunt double from its back. "The motion rig was repeatable and had a moveable dummy horse's head and back but no legs," Henley explained. "We had that rig off to the side of the set, and we shot it on one of the nights during the main battle. That way we knew exactly where Joaquin and the real horse were, and the lighting. We shot quite a few takes until we nailed the action. We then lined up a special-effects exploding chest piece for the horse in the same lighting. MPC generated the digital horse to add legs. The tricky part was the horse's fall, but we managed to find a reference clip of a poor horse that collapsed on its back legs. And then we added a cannonball impact as a blend of real and animated gore. It was a crazy moment, but it gets Napoleon covered in blood for the battle."

Egypt, 1798
For Napoleon's campaign in Egypt, Jean-Léon Gérôme's 1886 painting Bonaparte Before the Sphinx served as inspiration for a dramatization of the French emperor contemplating the Great Sphinx of Giza before attacking Mameluke soldiers.

The production staged the scene on a polo field in Malta, where VFX erected desert-motif "sandscreens" to back a plateau of sand and rubble as Joaquin Phoenix sat atop his horse. Digital effects artist Dan Rickard captured plate shoots of sand dunes in Morocco, which Outpost VFX later assembled in a recreation of the scene.

"The Sphinx looks different now from how it did historically," notes Henley. "It has been excavated so more of the Sphinx is visible. Dan found locations in Morocco for dunes and big plateaus with a ridge that appears in the background where the French army is in the background as Napoleon rides up. We shot a few horses and camels in Malta for reference. Outpost then added more camels and the digital army marching across the desert. They built a digital pyramid and Sphinx head, referencing the real site blended with the painting as a look." A line of costumed cavalry served as Mamelukes, whom Napoleon scares away by ordering cannons to fire on the pyramids. "The Mamelukes were more traditional 2D duplication. We shot multiple plates of them reacting, and Outpost composited them to get the numbers working."

Paris, 1804
Among the locations used to depict Revolutionary-era Paris, thirteenth-century Lincoln Cathedral, located east of Sheffield, served as the interior of Notre-Dame Cathedral. The English Gothic architecture was a close facsimile to Scott's visual reference of the 1807 Jacques-Louis David painting The Coronation of Napoleon. Outpost VFX provided digital crowd replication and PFX added digital candle flames.


Candlelight was a focus of preproduction experimentation with Dariusz Wolski when it became apparent that safety parameters forbade the use of naked flames in ancestral locations. "Dariusz came to us early to team up on this one," recalls Henley. "His guys wired hundreds of candles with little LED bulbs. The shape of the bulb was just smaller than a candle flame. We camera tested them side by side with real candles to match the color value and flicker."


A key scene, where Napoleon first meets Josephine across a candlelit salon — filmed at Petworth House in West Sussex — featured a plethora of glowing candles and fireplaces that Wolski also replicated with LED panels. "Once we had that lighting in the scene, sometimes if the candles were out of focus, they worked. But PFX did digital replacements of 1,200 candles. That involved a lot of camera tracking and rotoscoping. After that, it came down to meticulously laying out the candle flames by hand. Ridley sometimes wanted flickers, so if a character walked by, the candle flame would flicker. PFX made that happen."


Another English manor house served as a basis for the façade of Château de Malmaison, Josephine's later domicile after she is separated from Napoleon. Outpost VFX digitally replaced the manor house's roof and windows to more faithfully represent French architecture of the period. For Napoleon's Tuileries Palace, destroyed by arson during the riots of the Paris Commune, the production made use of Blenheim Palace in Oxfordshire. MPC augmented Blenheim's façade with 3D modeling and digital matte painting to mimic window shapes and limestone masonry similar to the French Baroque architecture of the present-day Louvre Museum.

Austerlitz, 1805
To stage Napoleon's clash with Russian and Austrian troops at Austerlitz, the production selected locations in Bourne Wood in Surrey and RAF Abingdon in Oxfordshire. "Finding the Austerlitz location was a challenge," says Henley. "For a while, we were looking for areas with woodland and a slope where Neil Corbould could build a big flat area. We looked for a place to shoot an area with real snow, or on a real frozen lake. We ended up shooting it in components, which made this quite a visual effects challenge."


Dan Rickard's on-set previsualization tool enabled the alignment of compositions, with higher elevations of Napoleon's forces in Bourne Wood, and reverse angles from the Russian encampment built on Abingdon's airfield. ILM combined locations into stunning snowbound vistas wreathed in freezing fog.

Wide shots revealing the Austrian Army advancing from a veil of mist featured digital matte paintings that ILM generated from photographic textures and synthetic fog effects. "Ridley wanted the fog to be like a character in the battle," notes Henley. "It's an element that creates surprise and is part of [Napoleon's] trickery. We had fog [effects] on set. We shot takes with and without. That locked us into a look. Then, our VFX unit shot background plates and elements in southern Italy, at Campotosto in Abruzzo, and the Italian Alps. That guided the look for how the trees met the snow. ILM used those components and plates from both setups, they created a digital version of the environment, and brought all that together."

For the climax of the battle, when French artillery shatters the lake ice beneath the Russian Army's feet, Neil Corbould's team dug water tanks into Abingdon Airfield, a former RAF base. "They had one large tank and several smaller tanks with a layer of fake ice built on top that stunt performers could run across," Henley observes. "They could trigger a release and soldiers would drop in. There was a big system of air mortars to make water spray up without hurting anybody. They even had a ramp so that horses could get into that tank and be in the water, all shot on location."

Shots of soldiers and horses struggling underwater were accomplished during a water-tank shoot at Pinewood Studios. Corbould's special-effects team simulated ice using layers of wax, and rigged prop cannonballs suspended on lines running into the water. Pulled through the water at speed, the cannonballs created natural air-bubble trails. ILM then digitally enhanced the scene, including a nightmarish shot of a Russian standard bearer and a horse sinking into the icy depths. "Neil put a dummy horse in the water," notes Henley. "We pulled the camera up, to enhance the sinking effect, because of limited depth in the tank. We could never get the motion on the flag to tell the story of the soldier and the horse, so the flag is digital. And ILM added digital horses swimming in the water."

Moscow, 1812
Napoleon's fortunes turn sour on his campaign into Russia, which culminates in a surreal sequence when the French Army discovers Moscow first deserted and then in flames. The production shot the march into Moscow at Blenheim Palace, located outside Oxford. "The courtyard spaces there worked well for Moscow and the approach to the city when they're walking through the trees," observes Henley. "Arthur Max provided ground-level dressing, blocking out windows so the city felt boarded-up. MPC added Moscow in the background with its amalgamation of architecture, and we added everything above the first floor." Architect Inigo Minns from The Architectural Association in London advised on architectural styles, which assisted MPC's set extensions that blended Russian styles with Blenheim Palace.

For burning Moscow, as Russian rebels torch the city at nightfall, Wolski placed lights in the shot to simulate source points of illumination and MPC integrated in-camera blooming effects in digital composites. "If characters' heads crossed lights and caused them to burn out," Henley explains, "we made use of those effects. We also shot elements of embers. Neil Corbould's team set fire to a barn with a thatched roof, which created massive flames. We used those elements to create a sense of scale. And then, we combined that with simulations of buildings collapsing."

Waterloo, 1815
For Napoleon's final defeat at the Battle of Waterloo, the production selected a sloping meadow at Churn Farm in Oxfordshire. The location offered elevations that approximated historic battle site topography and afforded Scott and Wolski mile-wide perspectives of French and British Coalition forces. Corbould's special-effects team supplied rain rigs fed by water tankers to simulate inclement weather, but Mother Nature assisted. "On the first day, we shot there from the French side," Henley recalls, "it was raining, it was sunny, it was incredibly windy, and then it hailed — we had every type of weather. The skies were incredible. It was such a gift. After that, it was tough to keep consistency across the scene. But what we had in those first few days gave us all that Ridley wanted. It was so windy, the special-effects rain was blown sideways and the flags were blowing like the clappers. The drama of that was fantastic. And so, when the wind stopped, we knew we'd have to put flags blowing in all our shots."

Historical advisors guided battle action on location. VFX captured elements from additional perspectives for MPC's later use in the digital replication of armies. "While the battle was going on," relates Henley, "VFX did everything we could to help make the shots look great in post. Whenever shots didn't require the full range of dressed stunt doubles, we pulled soldiers to the side and shot plates for scenes that we'd captured earlier in the day. In certain cases, we set up an additional camera offset further back [from the main unit camera]. That allowed us to double up lines of soldiers. In several shots that worked nicely as a compositing job because we had them for real. In other shots, we knew we'd have to match the crowd digitally."

In wide shots, MPC generated an estimated 70,000 soldiers and 5,000 horses, with 60 varieties of uniforms, equipped with armor, muskets and artillery effects. To capture battle choreography for animated assets, The Imaginarium Studio staged motion-capture sessions with costumed performers in a paddock at The Devil's Horsemen animal training facility in Salden, Buckinghamshire. "Each of the armies had their own way of moving," notes Henley. "They had different ways of marching, running, loading, and firing guns. And they also maneuvered in different formations. A tricky one in Waterloo was how the infantry moved into defensive squares. They were all pushed up against each other, which changed the soldiers' body language as they moved around. One side of the formation was three [rows deep] by 20 people [long], so it contained 100 soldiers moving around, some pressing forward, some backward, some remaining in place — it was a complex series of actions. On top of that, we did a lot of motion capturing of maneuvers with the horses."

Waterloo vistas included environment extensions, digital removal of tracking vehicles and camera operators, and sky replacements, including aerial perspectives of clouds occluding the battlefield. "Ridley loved cloud shadows moving across the landscape," adds Henley. "One of his first drawings [in planning the scene] was of a big aerial shot with patches of cloud. Using our reference plates, we had the ability in post to take sunny shots and add patches of clouds, or take cloudy shots and insert a sun patch. By orchestrating those effects, we could guide where we wanted the audience to look."


Visual effects complimented the grand scale of the production with close attention to detail, unifying visual elements.


"I think of Ridley as an artist," concludes Henley. "Visual effects are one of his brushes. It's part of the layering of his images. It's his final layer. Ridley is incredibly pragmatic about what he wants to shoot and when it makes sense to use visual effects. Alongside that, he has this beautiful eye. When Ridley creates a drawing, everybody becomes enthusiastic to match that, and then he'll take it further. I think his consistency of vision is what helps bring all the different departments together."


You'll find our complete production story on the film here and our interview with Ridley Scott here.


Additional insight can be gleaned from these reels by MPC, ILM and BlueBolt:

https://theasc.com/articles/divide-and-conquer-vfx-napoleon

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 31, 2024, 01:27:56 PM
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QuoteStep 'Inside Napoleon' with Sam Restivo in this exclusive interview, as we explore the co-editor's profound insights on Ridley Scott's epic film 'Napoleon'. Join us for a fascinating conversation with Sam, where he shares his journey from film enthusiast to master editor in Hollywood. Discover the meticulous art of film editing, the challenges of crafting action-packed battle scenes, and the unique experience of collaborating with legendary filmmakers like Ridley Scott and Claire Simpson.

This interview is not just a peek behind the scenes; it's a masterclass in cinematic storytelling and a treasure trove of inspiration for film buffs, aspiring editors, and anyone passionate about the magic of movie-making. Dive into Sam's fascinating tales and expert advice that could transform your understanding of what happens in the editing room.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 31, 2024, 04:14:03 PM
New Napoleon Ridleygram:

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Concept Art:

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Quote from: VarietyNapoleon': How Mechanical Horses Helped Ridley Scott's VFX Team Pull Off That Gory Battle Scene

Ridley Scott has said he would never hurt an animal, and in his latest film, "Napoleon," he made good on that promise. He pulled off those gory battle scenes with the help of horse wranglers and visual effects artists.

Over 100 real-life horses were used for the film's epic combat sequences, but when it came to some of the most dangerous and bloody moments, VFX crews stepped in.

For the Siege of Toulon scene, Napoleon (Joaquin Phoenix) guides his army to victory against the British forces when they storm the city. However, his beloved horse is struck by a cannonball and dies instantly. The graphic scene was pulled off using a combination of practical and computer-generated effects.

"We would have as many horses that we needed, with actors riding horses, but when there was something too dangerous, we used a mechanical horse rig or we stepped in and added extra horses using effects," explains Luc-Ewen Martin-Fenouillet, VFX supervisor at MPC.

For that specific scene, there were 30 practical riders and 30 horses. But Napoleon's horse was not real. "We had a mechanical rig, and a stunt double stood in for Joaquin," Martin-Fenouillet clarifies.

Breaking down the precise detail, Martin-Fenouillet says, "We had a massive hydraulic system, and the entire head, neck and torso were made with a mechanical horse. It was lifelike so that it moved on impact and from the motion of the mechanical rig. Another rig with fake blood was added to the chest so it explodes with blood and guts when the rig pulls back."

For the climactic Battle of Waterloo, the MPC team had a catalog of the individual horses that they were able to reproduce. In this case, they needed to reproduce 20,000 horses. "We settled on building 16 individual horses, and we added variations to the saddles, blankets and colors," Martin-Fenouillet says. "That gave us what we needed visually."

Once they had their visual guide, the team spent a week in performance capture, logging military drills and specific motions such as trotting, charging and cantering. Martin-Fenouillet says, "That created a library of moves, and when we multiplied it by thousands, it would feel like each horse had its own personality and was unique."

https://variety.com/2024/artisans/news/napoleon-horse-scene-fake-ridley-scott-1235890775/
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 05, 2024, 07:30:04 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 13, 2024, 01:56:02 PM
Haven't had a chance to listen to this yet:

https://twitter.com/beforesmag/status/1757087170249257314

No sign of a Napoleon Blu-Ray/4k release yet. There was speculation from the physical media enthusiast accounts that it would release in February but still no official word. Only seen this movie once so far.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 14, 2024, 02:15:33 PM
New interview with Neil Corbould and his team conducted by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences:

Quote from: Academy of Motion Picture ArtsReenacting Waterloo: 'Napoleon' VFX Team on Charging Into Battle With Ridley Scott (Exclusive)

In 2001, Special Effects Supervisor Neil Corbould won his first Oscar for his work on Ridley Scott's historical epic, Gladiator. Now more than two decades later, his latest Oscar nomination comes for another Scott-directed historical epic, Napoleon. "Ridley Scott loves the realism of blending SFX and VFX," explains Corbould.

"Napoleon showcases two disciplines marrying up, weaving into one another perfectly," he adds. "I defy anyone to pick a shot and identify what is practical and what is CG because it is very difficult to tell."

Napoleon brings the true story of Napoleon Bonaparte (played by Oscar winner Joaquin Phoenix) to the screen on a major scale, exploring the notorious French ruler's rise and downfall through a number of key battles. Corbould, along with Visual Effects Supervisors Charley Henley, Luc-Ewen Martin Fenouillet, and Simone Coco, were tasked with realizing Scott's visions of those iconic clashes.

At the 96th Oscars, Napoleon is up for three awards: Best Costume Design, Best Production Design and Best Visual Effects. Henley says the latter nomination was especially unexpected. "I never really had that impression when I started on Napoleon," he admits.

"But we realized there was something special about it. It feels like an old-time epic, where you could have 50,000 people available," Henley explains. " You can't do it today, but it has that feeling. That's why I'm so pleased with the end result, especially watching it after a while. The nomination is a nod towards that."

From Waterloo to pigeon poo, the team reveals to A.frame what went into Napoleon's Oscar-nominated visual effects.

A.frame: There are VFX and SFX, and Napoleon has a lot of crossover. On set, how often did the reality of any given day match the plan? Ridley Scott does very clear storyboards, but many of these locations also presented challenging environments.

Neil Corbould: The thing with Ridley is that he does plan everything with his storyboards to get his vision across to us. I've been fortunate, because I've worked with him several times, as has Charlie, so we know what we're getting into. You can plan and plan, but when you get to day one of the shoot, Ridley takes it to another level, so we have to be super prepared. I briefed all 25 of my floor crew — which is unheard of — to cover the multi-cameras that Ridley shoots. We had a minimum of eight camera, going up to 16 with crash cameras and everything, so the crew was briefed to expect the unexpected. The tricky thing was camera operators would pick shots, and you've got to try to find where they are. Ridley would say, "Get some smoke in front of B camera or G camera," and you'd think, "Where the hell is G camera?" There was a lot of running around to try and find where these people were.

There are a number of impressive set pieces in Napoleon, the first being the moment with the horse and the cannonball during the Siege of Toulon. That was shot from multiple perspectives, but not many takes.

Luc-Ewen Martin Fenouillet: We couldn't do many takes, bearing in mind the reset time it would take to do the explosion. The chest cavity had a real charge, so it needed to be loaded if we wanted to re-shoot it again. Neil made this amazing animatronic that was essentially the bust of the neck and the head for the horse, and we had a stunt person that was really falling off the rig. It didn't have any legs, so we knew we had to replace the legs, but then it was a jigsaw puzzle of figuring out what from the real elements was most valuable for us and what needed to be done or replaced. There were many fantastic details from the animatronic horse, including some of the guts and the innards exploding towards the camera, and the neck wobbling in this unnatural but fascinatingly morbid manner. We decided to keep most of that and all the little bits of blobs getting stuck into the fur. All of those fine details would be really time-consuming to do in CGI, so we decided to keep as much of that as possible and focus on the rest of the image we didn't have and needed to recreate from scratch. It was a great mix of practical and VFX in the end.

Henley: It was tough for everybody while we were shooting it. Ridley drew these pictures early on, and everyone was like, "How are we going to do that in the middle of this battle?" Neil did a lot of stuff up front before we started filming to figure it out and work out the moves. He showed us some animation of the move that was in a programmed rig, so we could throw the guy off the horse many times — and we did — but we couldn't do many chest explosions. We had multiple cameras shooting it simultaneously, which was run-of-the-mill for most of this film.

The Battle of Waterloo is another case of blending in-camera elements with VFX to make it look epic, especially considering the mass of people required for the sequence. How did you go about that?

Henley: Luc was on VFX for that. We had about 500 soldiers and about 100 horses, and then Luc made that into the number we needed. Neil took the lead on location. He was there blowing things up, firing cannons and all of that. We had 14 real cannons that would fire, smoke and kickback, so there were a lot of practical effects on a smaller scale that were the basis of it all.

Corbould: We designed an air-firing cannon, because we didn't want people standing in front of live black powder-firing cannons. We came up with this compressed air and had talcum powder wads in the end, creating a giant plume of white powder that looked surprisingly like smoke. Then, we put a mechanical recoil in. The great thing about that is you could get people right in front of it, and the safety factor was very high. They were also relatively quick to reload. That was something new that we developed, especially for this movie.

Each of the battle sequences — including Waterloo and the Battle of Austerlitz — feature so many soldiers dressed in different uniforms. How did you tackle that?

Coco: We recreated all the armies with different variations on body, shape and so on. We also integrated supplementary accessories, which meant we could introduce diversity for each one. From that, you select what you want for each of the 10,000 people, so you tell the system that you want a different combination across everything, creating a pipeline that allows us to do that very quickly. Charlie and the team spent five days or a week on motion capture, so they shot a huge number of different motions from running to dying, falling from horses or horses running, different motions from the horses, or a battle with five or six people together, and then put those together and put it into the system. That was when we could pick it up and decide which action we wanted and which soldiers to pick.

Much of what Ridley Scott had drawn out in his animatics was very detailed, down to the weather he wanted if it wasn't captured in camera. How important were those to the VFX process, and did much of that change?

Henley: The Battle of Waterloo is quite an excellent example of this, because he started drawing these boards in color but hadn't done that the last time I worked with him. These boards were incredible and could bring another level of atmosphere to a particular scene. With Waterloo, it was going to be really nasty weather. He said, "There are going to be these storm clouds. It will be dark, moody and rainy at the beginning, and these clouds are going to cast shadows across the landscape." That was all in his boards, rather than the script. I don't know whether Ridley has a direct line to whoever controls the weather, but we got this amazing weather when we shot. On the first day, we had real rain, sleet and wind, so the flags were blowing like crazy in this wind. Neil had his own rain there, but because of the natural wind on the day, the rain he created was going sideways.

Corbould: Our rain towers were about 50 meters up, and it would have just been horizontal, which was useless.

Henley: It was a 10-day shoot, and the weather wasn't always like that, but we had that at the beginning so we could reproduce it.

Fenouillet: Whenever we had a shot without the rain at the beginning of the sequence, we'd have to add the rain, but then later down the sequence, when the sky cleared, the sky started to become too blue and pretty, which didn't work for the epic third act battle so we had to add stormy clouds for the end to tie in with the rest of the drama.

We've talked about the epic sequences, but the devil is often in the details of this film. One example in Napoleon is the pigeon poop.

Henley: We found the birds in his drawings, and he really liked them. You always have to watch out and ensure that you get everything that he's drawn filmed on the day, because otherwise, we'll add it later. He remembers it. Getting the real pigeons doing the right thing on the day wasn't going to happen, and the poop was something that came up in post-production. It was Ridley's idea, and it was like, "Well, we've got the pigeons on camera!" In the movie, Napoleon has turned up, and it's not looking good. Everybody has left and deserted, and he's going on a downer, sitting on the old throne in the Kremlin. He said, "What else do we need to emotionally tell the story and also add a certain mood to it? Can we add this pigeon poop, please?" We ended up shooting it in our VFX office with a mix of paint, splatting it on this little bit of blue screen, and then comping it in. Our in-house team does a lot of work on little things like that and other odd details or requests that come up last minute.

In Psycho, Alfred Hitchcock famously used chocolate sauce to get the right consistency and appearance for blood in the shower scene. Did you have similar trials and conversations to get the poop to look right?

Henley: We had our own little meetings and discussed the consistency. [Laughs] I wouldn't say it was a big meeting, but we did have a few goes at it

https://aframe.oscars.org/news/post/napoleon-visual-effects-interview
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 15, 2024, 06:22:34 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 15, 2024, 06:38:36 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 15, 2024, 06:22:34 PMhttps://twitter.com/Variety/status/1758194150409683336

No word on the 50 hours directors cut though.  :-\

#ReleaseTheScottCut
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 17, 2024, 02:47:06 PM
The Academy Awards interviews Janty Yates and costume designer David Crossman. Janty also hints at what we might see in the Napoleon Director's Cut:

Quote from: Academy of Motion Picture Arts'Napoleon's Janty Yates and David Crossman on Designing Costumes Fit for an Emperor (Exclusive)

Ridley Scott does not make historical films unless they are epic, and his latest — Napoleon — is as towering as its subject. The film chronicles the rise of Napoleon Bonaparte (Oscar winner Joaquin Phoenix) from military commander to Emperor of France, as well as his eventual downfall, which is mirrored in his relationship with his empress, Joséphine de Beauharnais (Vanessa Kirby).


The film was such a massive undertaking that Scott enlisted two of his regular designers, Janty Yates and David Crossman, to split up costuming duties. Napoleon marks Yates' 15th collaboration with the director and Crossman's fourth. Their mission on the film was purposefully straightforward. "Ridley was quite happy with us going by the book on this one," Yates says.

Crossman, who oversaw the creation of the film's military wardrobe, says that he and his team worked hard to ensure that the costumes felt "as authentic as possible."
"You don't want it to ever look like a bunch of reenactors standing around on a field," he notes. "You want it to always look like people wearing their real clothing."

Yates, meanwhile, was in charge of civilian clothes and costumes for Kirby's Josephine, and she set out to dress her in clothes and jewelry that were as close to the real-life empress' attire as possible. "Josephine's jewelry collection still survives to this day. It's in Paris and it's fantastic," Yates reveals. "They didn't offer to lend it to me, but they nearly did!"

"We came close to having around 14 security men standing near me and Vanessa all day, every day," she recalls with a laugh. "Instead of that, we had two very good jewelers come in and make copies of all the original pieces."

At the 96th Oscars, Yates and Crossman are nominated for Best Costume Design, amongst Napoleon's three total nominations. It is Crossman's first nomination, and Yates' first since winning the Oscar in 2001 for her work on Gladiator.

In conversation with A.frame, the designers discuss the collaboration required to pull off a feat like Napoleon: Together, they were able to create thousands of costumes, including more than 4,000 uniforms, and 30 hand-sewn gowns fit for royalty. Which is to say nothing of the film's epic coronation scene.

A.frame: What were the first conversations you had with Ridley about his sartorial vision for Napoleon, and from there, what were some of the first steps you took in designing the costumes?

Janty Yates: Ridley knows by now how I style rich and "important" people, and I said to him, "I think I'd like to do Josephine in shades of white, silver and gold, and just dripping in jewelry." I wanted to keep the rest of the family around her — meaning Napoleon's mother, his three sisters, and Josephine's daughter — conversely covered in very, very light and beautiful, embroidered silks.

David Crossman: With the military uniforms, we started by getting original pieces from the time, original pieces of 1800s and 1790s clothing, and copying those. We took the patterns we found on those and we started working out the line of clothing that Napoleon would wear through 1789, 1790, 1793, and all the way to 1815. We really tried to do it so that the tailoring of his clothing mirrored civilian clothing and the fashion trends of the time by getting all the shapes and colors correct. A huge step right at the outset of pre-production was getting all the embroidery completed, because all of that was done by hand. It takes months and months and months to do that, so we had to know where we were going and who might play what part and try to get all of the coats in the film produced in time. Because none of them existed before we made them.

There were moments where reenactor clothing was actually considered for the film, and nothing against reenactors, but the problem is that their costumes aren't made for films, you know? [Laughs] They're not really meant to look real enough for a movie. With our costumes, we really had to have full control of all the colors and shapes in order to make them look as close to how they did in real life.

The film sees Napoleon dressed in a lot of the clothing that he was painted wearing, but what was it like designing his clothes in the scenes where you didn't have specific references to look at?

Crossman: We put him in a disguise when he's in Toulon and he's riding around gathering information. We tried to make him look like a peasant carpenter would have in that scene. Later, he poses as a beggar in Austerlitz, so we made that for Joaquin as well and then just put a coat on top of it. He goes to a masked ball very briefly and we dressed him up for that, too, but one of the biggest civilian pieces that we put him in was actually his green velvet Russian winter coat. In real life, they all made those themselves when they went to Moscow. They found a load of furs and fabrics hidden away in a shop there, and they made those coats before they left to return to France. Everything else was military or military-esque, though, so it was the uniform art of him and of the time that was our main reference point. Most of the time, it seemed like Napoleon was happy to stay in his military uniforms.

Even when he's trying to pass as a normal person, he doesn't ever really pull that off.

Crossman: Yes. From about 1804 or so on, he was almost like a brand. So, most of the time he wore two costumes: His blue Imperial piece and the green uniform that he wore on campaign, and then he usually coupled those with his gray coat and his bicorne. That was your on-brand Napoleon, and he stuck to that really until the end of his days.

Napoleon wears a number of very finely crafted military uniforms throughout the film. Were any of those your own invention, or were they always pulled directly from paintings or renderings of him?

Crossman: They always come from some form of reference. In this case, the only references we had were paintings or etchings. When he first became general post-Toulon, Napoleon was still penniless, which meant he couldn't afford a general's uniform. So for the scene in the survivors' ball, for instance, we put him in a blue coat with a gold braid, because I'd found one rare etching of him wearing just a braided coat. Then we made a plain version of that coat for him to wear at home. Those outfits aren't explicitly correct military uniforms; they're meant to be expressions of what he's going through financially before he rises to power and becomes a more established general after he fires his cannons at that crowd in Paris.

From that point on, he establishes himself as proper General Napoleon Bonaparte. But paintings are really your few friends on a film like this. They gave us different impressions of each period of his life. There are the more sympathetic and heroic paintings of him, and then there are also the ones that are a little more slanted against him. As a costume designer, you can look at them all and get kind of an overall impression of his journey throughout the film.

In my own research, I saw two very different paintings of his coronation. In one, he looks very imposing and frightening, and in another, he looks very regal and proper.

Crossman: There was a big statue of him that was done after his coronation actually, and he hated it. It made him feel like, "I've become this thing now. The people are going to turn on me," so he had it put away. I think it's at the Duke of Wellington's house now, but things like that filled him with dread. A lot of the portraits that were made of him as Emperor, he hated and had removed.

Josephine starts off as a torn-down aristocrat, rises back up, and then ends somewhere between her highest and lowest points. Her clothing really reflects her arc throughout the film. Janty, what was it like designing her clothes with that journey in mind?

Yates: Well, you've got it right. It's subtle, but it's there. She's penniless in the beginning of the film after she gets out of prison, and we actually did a big section about her time in prison, which will hopefully be in Ridley's Director's Cut. But we felt it was important to really exaggerate her greed, because she did become very greedy when she shacked up with Napoleon and got to use his money! She used it to run up a lot of debt on lots of huge jewelry. That informed a lot about how we styled her in the film. We just kept putting her in more gold and more silver throughout her rise to power, and then we downsized all of that a little in the final third of the film, when she experiences her downturn back to a kind of modesty and she moves to Château de Malmaison.

Did Vanessa have any specific input regarding her costumes?

Yates: She sadly had no real input, because we originally made them for Jodie Comer, but then she had to go and do a play [Prima Facie] — which she triumphed with, I do have to say. Vanessa did have quite strong feelings about her jewelry, though. She didn't want to use too much. She stuck mainly to a lot of necklaces and chokers, probably because they weren't too heavy [Laughs]. But she has a very lovely, almost swan-like neck, so they suited her quite well.

'Napoleon's Janty Yates and David Crossman on Designing Costumes Fit for an Emperor (Exclusive)
'Napoleon's Janty Yates and David Crossman on Designing Costumes Fit for an Emperor (Exclusive)
Feb 15, 2024
Ridley Scott does not make historical films unless they are epic, and his latest — Napoleon — is as towering as its subject. The film chronicles the rise of Napoleon Bonaparte (Oscar winner Joaquin Phoenix) from military commander to Emperor of France, as well as his eventual downfall, which is mirrored in his relationship with his empress, Joséphine de Beauharnais (Vanessa Kirby).

The film was such a massive undertaking that Scott enlisted two of his regular designers, Janty Yates and David Crossman, to split up costuming duties. Napoleon marks Yates' 15th collaboration with the director and Crossman's fourth. Their mission on the film was purposefully straightforward. "Ridley was quite happy with us going by the book on this one," Yates says.

Crossman, who oversaw the creation of the film's military wardrobe, says that he and his team worked hard to ensure that the costumes felt "as authentic as possible." "You don't want it to ever look like a bunch of reenactors standing around on a field," he notes. "You want it to always look like people wearing their real clothing."

Yates, meanwhile, was in charge of civilian clothes and costumes for Kirby's Josephine, and she set out to dress her in clothes and jewelry that were as close to the real-life empress' attire as possible. "Josephine's jewelry collection still survives to this day. It's in Paris and it's fantastic," Yates reveals. "They didn't offer to lend it to me, but they nearly did!"

"We came close to having around 14 security men standing near me and Vanessa all day, every day," she recalls with a laugh. "Instead of that, we had two very good jewelers come in and make copies of all the original pieces."

At the 96th Oscars, Yates and Crossman are nominated for Best Costume Design, amongst Napoleon's three total nominations. It is Crossman's first nomination, and Yates' first since winning the Oscar in 2001 for her work on Gladiator.

In conversation with A.frame, the designers discuss the collaboration required to pull off a feat like Napoleon: Together, they were able to create thousands of costumes, including more than 4,000 uniforms, and 30 hand-sewn gowns fit for royalty. Which is to say nothing of the film's epic coronation scene.

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A.frame: What were the first conversations you had with Ridley about his sartorial vision for Napoleon, and from there, what were some of the first steps you took in designing the costumes?

Janty Yates: Ridley knows by now how I style rich and "important" people, and I said to him, "I think I'd like to do Josephine in shades of white, silver and gold, and just dripping in jewelry." I wanted to keep the rest of the family around her — meaning Napoleon's mother, his three sisters, and Josephine's daughter — conversely covered in very, very light and beautiful, embroidered silks.

David Crossman: With the military uniforms, we started by getting original pieces from the time, original pieces of 1800s and 1790s clothing, and copying those. We took the patterns we found on those and we started working out the line of clothing that Napoleon would wear through 1789, 1790, 1793, and all the way to 1815. We really tried to do it so that the tailoring of his clothing mirrored civilian clothing and the fashion trends of the time by getting all the shapes and colors correct. A huge step right at the outset of pre-production was getting all the embroidery completed, because all of that was done by hand. It takes months and months and months to do that, so we had to know where we were going and who might play what part and try to get all of the coats in the film produced in time. Because none of them existed before we made them.

There were moments where reenactor clothing was actually considered for the film, and nothing against reenactors, but the problem is that their costumes aren't made for films, you know? [Laughs] They're not really meant to look real enough for a movie. With our costumes, we really had to have full control of all the colors and shapes in order to make them look as close to how they did in real life.

The film sees Napoleon dressed in a lot of the clothing that he was painted wearing, but what was it like designing his clothes in the scenes where you didn't have specific references to look at?

Crossman: We put him in a disguise when he's in Toulon and he's riding around gathering information. We tried to make him look like a peasant carpenter would have in that scene. Later, he poses as a beggar in Austerlitz, so we made that for Joaquin as well and then just put a coat on top of it. He goes to a masked ball very briefly and we dressed him up for that, too, but one of the biggest civilian pieces that we put him in was actually his green velvet Russian winter coat. In real life, they all made those themselves when they went to Moscow. They found a load of furs and fabrics hidden away in a shop there, and they made those coats before they left to return to France. Everything else was military or military-esque, though, so it was the uniform art of him and of the time that was our main reference point. Most of the time, it seemed like Napoleon was happy to stay in his military uniforms.

Even when he's trying to pass as a normal person, he doesn't ever really pull that off.

Crossman: Yes. From about 1804 or so on, he was almost like a brand. So, most of the time he wore two costumes: His blue Imperial piece and the green uniform that he wore on campaign, and then he usually coupled those with his gray coat and his bicorne. That was your on-brand Napoleon, and he stuck to that really until the end of his days.

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Napoleon wears a number of very finely crafted military uniforms throughout the film. Were any of those your own invention, or were they always pulled directly from paintings or renderings of him?

Crossman: They always come from some form of reference. In this case, the only references we had were paintings or etchings. When he first became general post-Toulon, Napoleon was still penniless, which meant he couldn't afford a general's uniform. So for the scene in the survivors' ball, for instance, we put him in a blue coat with a gold braid, because I'd found one rare etching of him wearing just a braided coat. Then we made a plain version of that coat for him to wear at home. Those outfits aren't explicitly correct military uniforms; they're meant to be expressions of what he's going through financially before he rises to power and becomes a more established general after he fires his cannons at that crowd in Paris.

From that point on, he establishes himself as proper General Napoleon Bonaparte. But paintings are really your few friends on a film like this. They gave us different impressions of each period of his life. There are the more sympathetic and heroic paintings of him, and then there are also the ones that are a little more slanted against him. As a costume designer, you can look at them all and get kind of an overall impression of his journey throughout the film.

In my own research, I saw two very different paintings of his coronation. In one, he looks very imposing and frightening, and in another, he looks very regal and proper.

Crossman: There was a big statue of him that was done after his coronation actually, and he hated it. It made him feel like, "God, I've become this thing now. The people are going to turn on me," so he had it put away. I think it's at the Duke of Wellington's house now, but things like that filled him with dread. A lot of the portraits that were made of him as Emperor, he hated and had removed.

Josephine starts off as a torn-down aristocrat, rises back up, and then ends somewhere between her highest and lowest points. Her clothing really reflects her arc throughout the film. Janty, what was it like designing her clothes with that journey in mind?

Yates: Well, you've got it right. It's subtle, but it's there. She's penniless in the beginning of the film after she gets out of prison, and we actually did a big section about her time in prison, which will hopefully be in Ridley's Director's Cut. But we felt it was important to really exaggerate her greed, because she did become very greedy when she shacked up with Napoleon and got to use his money! She used it to run up a lot of debt on lots of huge jewelry. That informed a lot about how we styled her in the film. We just kept putting her in more gold and more silver throughout her rise to power, and then we downsized all of that a little in the final third of the film, when she experiences her downturn back to a kind of modesty and she moves to Château de Malmaison.

Did Vanessa have any specific input regarding her costumes?

Yates: She sadly had no real input, because we originally made them for Jodie Comer, but then she had to go and do a play [Prima Facie] — which she triumphed with, I do have to say. Vanessa did have quite strong feelings about her jewelry, though. She didn't want to use too much. She stuck mainly to a lot of necklaces and chokers, probably because they weren't too heavy [Laughs]. But she has a very lovely, almost swan-like neck, so they suited her quite well.

This isn't the first film that either of you has made with Ridley. How have your working relationships with him evolved over the years?

Yates: There's a huge amount of shorthand between Ridley and me now, which really does help. He'll say, "Remember that scene in Kingdom of Heaven?" And I'll go, "Yes, I know exactly what you mean." I know exactly what kind of cloak or costume he's referring to when he says that, which is absolutely great.

Crossman: I don't know if there's a lot of the same shorthand between us. But I do remember when I first worked with Janty on Kingdom of Heaven, I was really astonished by the way Ridley would just grab a piece of paper and do a sketch of what he wants. He'll give you a little sketch of the specific shape he wants a helmet to have and that kind of thing. I do find that to be really nice. He's very visual, so you always completely understand what he's after. He's just one of those people who communicates those ideas very well, and he tends to stick to his ideas. He's pretty consistent, so you always understand what you're doing. Hopefully, that allows you to be able to do the best version of what you're meant to. I really love it when he just doodles something and then gives it to you.

Yates: He's very collaborative.

Do you think it's his collaborative spirit that makes so many actors and crew members want to keep working with him over and over again?

Yates: It's everything. Absolutely everything. As David said, he's incredibly creative. He creates his own storyboards way before we start shooting, so you always know exactly what scene you're doing on any given day and where he's going to put the camera and shoot from. Occasionally, you'll still be worried about the weather, but even that doesn't really matter, because you already know how he's going to shoot each scene. His storyboards are legendary, and he's very fast because he always uses 8 to 10 cameras and he usually only does two or three takes. His process has gotten shorter and shorter over the years, in fact. He just works so fast.

Crossman: You also feel like you're making a real film with Ridley. There's a real energy on his sets, and the nice thing is that you always know his word is final. I've done lots of movies over the years where I've found myself going through various producers and various opinions, but with Ridley, it's Ridley's opinion and that's what counts. That's it. It's great to have that kind of single-mindedness at the front of it all. It makes you feel like you're working on a substantial, proper epic. His films have this real energy and speed to them. You're always kind of trying to keep up, and it's just terrific.

https://aframe.oscars.org/news/post/janty-yates-david-crossman-napoleon-interview

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 17, 2024, 06:26:11 PM
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1758910187723727155
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 03, 2024, 09:00:17 AM
New VFX reel for Napoleon just dropped from the talented folks at Free Folk Studios.

Note the subtle use of "invisible" visual effects. CGI done right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRthIVRfGDE
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 03, 2024, 09:42:45 PM
I'm guessing they will be involved in Gladiator 2.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 04, 2024, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 03, 2024, 09:42:45 PMI'm guessing they will be involved in Gladiator 2.

I'm guessing every single VFX house on the planet would be involved with Gladiator II.   ;D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 06, 2024, 03:59:30 PM
https://twitter.com/outpostvfx/status/1765396858686333055
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 02, 2024, 09:36:51 AM
According to World of Reel, Apple Films currently has no plans to release the 4+ hour Napoleon Director's Cut.

This comes as quite a disappointment because Scott described the longer cut as "fantastic".

#ReleaseTheScottCut

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/4/1/apple-has-no-plans-to-release-ridley-scotts-4-hour-napoleon-directors-cut

No word on a physical release either.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 02, 2024, 09:56:02 AM
QuoteIn all seriousness, I've asked around about the status of the director's cut and was told that this 4-hour version of "Napoleon" would "not be made available any time soon," and that Apple currently has "no plans" to release it. Disappointing news.

Well, World of Reel intel is questionable. Who did he ask around? :) They don't even know how to make proper research as they still think that Scott is going to adapt Wraiths of the Broken Land. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Smilion on Apr 02, 2024, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 02, 2024, 09:56:02 AM
QuoteIn all seriousness, I've asked around about the status of the director's cut and was told that this 4-hour version of "Napoleon" would "not be made available any time soon," and that Apple currently has "no plans" to release it. Disappointing news.

Well, World of Reel intel is questionable. Who did he ask around? :) They don't even know how to make proper research as they still think that Scott is going to adapt Wraiths of the Broken Land. Time will tell.

So, Ingwar what do you know about Ridley's western project? If it's not Wraiths, what is it??  :D
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 02, 2024, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: Smilion on Apr 02, 2024, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 02, 2024, 09:56:02 AM
QuoteIn all seriousness, I've asked around about the status of the director's cut and was told that this 4-hour version of "Napoleon" would "not be made available any time soon," and that Apple currently has "no plans" to release it. Disappointing news.

Well, World of Reel intel is questionable. Who did he ask around? :) They don't even know how to make proper research as they still think that Scott is going to adapt Wraiths of the Broken Land. Time will tell.

So, Ingwar what do you know about Ridley's western project? If it's not Wraiths, what is it??  :D

What little we know has been collected in this (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=66864) thread. It's centered around an Indigenous woman who becomes infected with measles, and it is, in Ridley's own words, "f**king savage."

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 02, 2024, 12:22:21 PM
Yeah, and hence it is not Wraiths of the Broken Land which I have read.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 02, 2024, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 02, 2024, 09:36:51 AMAccording to World of Reel, Apple Films currently has no plans to release the 4+ hour Napoleon Director's Cut.

This comes as quite a disappointment because Scott described the longer cut as "fantastic".

#ReleaseTheScottCut

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/4/1/apple-has-no-plans-to-release-ridley-scotts-4-hour-napoleon-directors-cut

No word on a physical release either.

Regarding this, if true (I hope not, because I really want to see that extended cut), I'm guessing Apple is probably really rethinking their release plans full stop right now. All three of their massive budget releases pretty much flopped (Napoleon, Killers of the Flower Moon, and Argylle), and Napoleon and KotFM were supposed to bring in some notoriety and good grace for them at the Oscars but neither film took any awards home. Don't think we'll be seeing any more massive budget theatrical releases from Apple like this any time soon, and given Napoleon's lack of impact, they probably aren't itching to invest anything more into it for another round of release at the moment, even if that release is streaming only. ::)

They do have that Spike Lee remake of High and Low coming, which I'm incredibly excited for, but that's in partnership with A24 (just like Joel Coen's The Tragedy of Macbeth), so I don't expect that one to be quite as massive an investment on their part as these three films were, given the scale of the movies A24 usually releases.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 02, 2024, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 02, 2024, 02:21:49 PMRegarding this, if true (I hope not, because I really want to see that extended cut), I'm guessing Apple is probably really rethinking their release plans full stop right now. All three of their massive budget releases pretty much flopped (Napoleon, Killers of the Flower Moon, and Argylle), and Napoleon and KotFM were supposed to bring in some notoriety and good grace for them at the Oscars but neither film took any awards home. Don't think we'll be seeing any more massive budget theatrical releases from Apple like this any time soon, and given Napoleon's lack of impact, they probably aren't itching to invest anything more into it for another round of release at the moment, even if that release is streaming only. ::)

Yeah, those three films were prestige pictures that didn't bring them much prestige.

They'll probably just use them as tax write-off's now and not bother with physical releases or extended editions.  :(
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 02, 2024, 02:42:02 PM
I didn't see Argylle (don't really like Matthew Vaughn's movies and didn't think the movie looked good), but I saw Killers of the Flower Moon twice on the big screen (once IMAX, once standard) and Napoleon once in IMAX. I did my part (for the movies I cared about).

Don't have Apple's streaming service at the moment (dropped it after For All Mankind's fourth season came to an end) but will probably get a month of it again at some point soon to rewatch both films... which is an incredibly silly thing to have to do, 'cause they'd get more money out of me if I bought the two films on 4K disc than they would from me buying a single month of their service and then immediately canceling it afterwards.

Hopefully High and Low gets something resembling a wide theatrical release, at the very least, 'cause The Tragedy of Macbeth didn't screen anywhere close to me.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 02, 2024, 05:20:21 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 02, 2024, 02:42:02 PM... which is an incredibly silly thing to have to do, 'cause they'd get more money out of me if I bought the two films on 4K disc than they would from me buying a single month of their service and then immediately canceling it afterwards.

Yes, but if I'm not mistaken majority of viewers don't but discs anymore.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 02, 2024, 05:53:06 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 02, 2024, 05:20:21 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 02, 2024, 02:42:02 PM... which is an incredibly silly thing to have to do, 'cause they'd get more money out of me if I bought the two films on 4K disc than they would from me buying a single month of their service and then immediately canceling it afterwards.

Yes, but if I'm not mistaken majority of viewers don't but discs anymore.

And in that case, they'll get month after month of $$$ out of those folks!
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 17, 2024, 07:19:18 PM
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1780654111404278221
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 17, 2024, 07:25:58 PM
attention, someone's grandpha is on the loose!  ;)🙏

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2024, 07:29:50 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 17, 2024, 07:44:48 PM
He should play this character

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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Kradan on Apr 17, 2024, 07:59:46 PM
Is he bitter he didn't get the part or what ?
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 17, 2024, 08:26:50 PM
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Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 19, 2024, 10:54:57 AM
It's just his honest opinion. We lack that in Hollywood where everyone praises everyone else as if they were afraid of the honesty. I prefer brutal honesty than fake praise. At the end of the day it's juts a movie.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Never say no to Panda! on Apr 19, 2024, 11:22:10 AM
Finally watched the movie (though i tried to wait for a possible longer cut).

Well...i'm a huge fan of historic (even "inspired by", fantasy or "based on") movies. I got plenty guilty pleasures movies, i like to watch alongside while working or ironing, cleaning up and stuff like that. Like Robin Hood, Exodus or even Alexander. Yes, Alexander. No good movies at all, but fun to watch. Sometimes.

Napoleon on the other hand, well...it's boring. Like REALLY boring. And Joaquin Phoenix (who is a great actor imo) was bored as well, it seems. So bored, that even as Napoleon in his 20s he played it like a depressed middle aged man close to his downfall. The whole thing between him and Kirby (who played at least okay'ish, guess there was not mucht to work with), i don't feel it. And the battles, yeah...there were mediocre battles. No tension at all, just check the list, not even talking 'bout history accuracy. Got to rewatch one of the older movies.

What a pity. Ridley Scott, still working that much at that age...i really admire that guy. Guess i won't be that active in my 50s. And he gave us so many good movies. But there is at least still very little hope for Gladiator 2 (that feels so wrong. Like Titanic 2 or Schindler's List 2). Pls, at least make it to my guilty pleasure list :D

Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 19, 2024, 11:26:20 AM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Apr 19, 2024, 11:22:10 AM(though i tried to wait for a possible longer cut).

From the look of things, I don't think we're going to be getting that at all.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Never say no to Panda! on Apr 19, 2024, 12:39:18 PM
I highly doubt, that a longer cut would even help in any way...except it would be more like a Snydercut. Pretty sure as well, there will be none.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: PullthePlug on Apr 19, 2024, 02:51:43 PM
An apple decision?

I see they've opted not to release physical media for Killers of the Flower in the US.
Title: Re: Napoleon - Ridley Scott's film with Joaquin Phoenix
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 19, 2024, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 19, 2024, 10:54:57 AMIt's just his honest opinion. We lack that in Hollywood where everyone praises everyone else as if they were afraid of the honesty. I prefer brutal honesty that fake praise. At the end of the day it's juts a movie.

Fair enough👍