William Gibson's Alien 3

Started by Ultramorph, Apr 26, 2018, 08:06:32 PM

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The Old One

The Old One

#675
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 04, 2019, 12:28:24 PM
The script was a boring read and it is making for a boring comic book.


Sadly so.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#676
It's not like the Alien 3 we got was riveting.

The Old One

The Old One

#677
No, AlienĀ³ was riveting.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#678
You must have seen a different cut than I did.

The Old One

The Old One

#679
AlienĀ³ Special Edition.  ;D

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#680
Did it flesh out the prisoners and fix the pacing issues?

The Old One

The Old One

#681
I think aside from the performances of the actors-
I believe that honestly,
the prisoners being faceless was kinda the point.
From Ripley's perspective- how many people die
before they all start blurring together?

Dead before the half-way mark.
Personally, I think the cast of Andrews, 85, Clemens, Dillion, Morse, Golic, David, Junior,
Bishop, Michael Bishop-
have as much personality as Burke, Bishop, Gorman, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez,
Apone, Drake-
and some of the minor characters are more believable-
I think in terms of performance, Rains, Boggs, Jude, Gregor, Murphy, Frank-
I could tell you what they were like as a person,
in the same way I could with the naturalistic performances of the crew of the Nostromo.

As opposed to Frost, Crowe, Spunkmeyer, Ferro-
Which I only remember because of people aping their funny lines for years.
But I don't know anything about them as people;
or remember them apart from those lines, except someone doesn't like cornbread.

Honest to God, I don't see any pacing issues with A3-
although I only have watched the Special Edition for years now-
it's by far my most "comfy" Alien film.

Frosty Venom

Frosty Venom

#682
I love Alien 3 but I do understand why it can be a bit of a slog for some people.

They just don't get it though.

SM

SM

#683
I'm sure they get a bunch of bald faceless nameless guys swearing at each other in the dark enough to realise it's not their cup of tea.

Cameron dealt in stereotypes but they were memorable stereotypes. Giler and Hill didn't bother identifying a stack of their characters.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#684
Yeah, even as someone who loves the third film, there's no denying I can only tell most of the supporting characters apart because they're played by British actors I recognise from all the TV series they've been in.

The suggestion these faceless inmates are somehow more memorable than the supporting guys in Aliens is frankly a little daft.

Quote from: The Old One on Jan 04, 2019, 11:22:25 PMAs opposed to Frost, Crowe, Spunkmeyer, Ferro-
Which I only remember because of people aping their funny lines for years.

Exactly.

I don't see anyone endlessly quoting William or Jude.

Whiskeybrewer

Whiskeybrewer

#685
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 05, 2019, 11:21:54 AM

I don't see anyone endlessly quoting William or Jude.

"Dillon. Help Me!"  ;D

SM

SM

#686
Aw I dunno.  I drop in 'Over to E everybody!' into casual conservations all the time and everyone chuckles at that old chestnut.


Thing with Alien 3 is Boggs, Rains and Murphy are all dead before their names are mentioned.  Jude is named seconds before he dies.  William, Eric and Troy are never named. There's a pretty clear in joke at how faceless they all are when Aaron can't even remember David's name, and it's the sole time it rates a mention.  (Theatrical Cut speaking - in some instances with Murphy and Troy they do get named before they die).

Cameron avoided that by constantly having characters named in dialogue, and directly avoids confusion between two characters whose names start with H, by having Gorman mistake them.  That he most of them have something resembling a personality.

Valaquen

Valaquen

#687
The only reason I know half the Alien 3 cast is because I've seen them most of my days on British TV. You really have to squint to make Alien 3 work as a movie. And y'know, that's absolutely fine. Some works are really worth squinting at. I wouldn't insist that other viewers aren't looking at the film right, though. It's clearly a mess.

HuDaFuK


RidgeTop

RidgeTop

#689
Issue #5 hits on March 13th.


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