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;D!
YES! Shane Black gets it.
well, I'm official on-board 100%. I can't wait to see where Shane Black takes this series.
Officially hyped.
If you count none of the Predator movies featured the same characters, it doesn't really matter that they say it's a sequel or a reboot ::)
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 25, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
If you count none of the Predator movies featured the same characters, it doesn't really matter that they say it's a sequel or a reboot ::)
Exactly, but people were going apeshit so it's nice to hear the actual word "sequel".
They'll still go apeshit because internet.
I was already excited due to the talent involved, but this just makes things even better. ;D
As I've said before, this news is to the Predator franchise as to Ridley Scott coming back was to the Alien franchise.
What was the last Predator movie Black directed?
In terms of prestige.
He's not the Freddy Krueger 5 guy. Nor the Vacancy guy. Nor the Resident Evil guy. Nor special effects guys. He's the Lethal Weapon/Kiss Kiss Bang Bang/Iron Man 3 guy.
In comparison, the Alien franchise it's a real mythology. The Predator franchise (not counting comics) is just a compilation of random stories IMHO, so I agree; it doesn't really matter if this film will be a reboot or a sequel.
But hey, maybe it can be the start of an arc, instead of these episodic ventures.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 10:51:22 PM
In terms of prestige.
It wasn't Scott's prestige that made the news of him doing the movie interesting to people, it was the fact he did
Alien.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 25, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
If you count none of the Predator movies featured the same characters, it doesn't really matter that they say it's a sequel or a reboot ::)
A reboot doesn't preclude being a sequel. Reboot is just an idiotic buzzword. In terms of being a sequel or a remake though,
that matters. A sequel can be taken on its own merit, a remake would be competing
directly with "the one everyone likes". This way, he won't have to recast Dutch and Dillon and Blaine, etc
Was hoping for a full on reboot.. :-[
If anything, I just hope we don't see any Super Predators, or alien worlds unless it's somehow set in the far future.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 25, 2014, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 10:51:22 PM
In terms of prestige.
It wasn't Scott's prestige that made the news of him doing the movie interesting to people, it was the fact he did Alien.
Prestige, or iconography. The point is, an A-list director, who could direct anything he wants, is doing the movie.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 25, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
If you count none of the Predator movies featured the same characters, it doesn't really matter that they say it's a sequel or a reboot ::)
Does the definition of sequel say that you must include the same exact cast of characters as the previous movie?
Cause if it does then we have to relist a whole mess of movies.
Anyway, I've gotta say I'm pretty excited, but I'm now in the same place I was in 2004, 2007, 2010, and 2012. I was disappointed all four times.
Something about Shane Black being involved has me much more interested though. I think as a writer he's much more self referential, if that makes sense. He seems like the guy who will direct Predator as a movie that doesn't take itself too seriously, which the first two films excel at. Predators sucked because of the whole "we think we're above Predator 2 and we just want to remake Predator on another planet."
I can see Black being the guy who's like "f**k it, let's just go crazy without being pretentious like Predators (and Prometheus) and just make an 80s action movie." Although my excitement will easily be stilted depending on who's going to be in the movie. Because Arnold is very shittily trying to restart his career, I could see him being interested. Danny Glover, probably not unless they give him more money than he probably deserves.
Shane Black is doing a SEQUEL!
f**k ya!
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 25, 2014, 11:30:22 PMDoes the definition of sequel say that you must include the same exact cast of characters as the previous movie?
Cause if it does then we have to relist a whole mess of movies.
Or at least a certain continuity. I know the facts of Predator are mentioned in Predator 2, but they're still barely relevant, they're practically self-contained movies, not sequels.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 25, 2014, 11:52:12 PM
Or at least a certain continuity. I know the facts of Predator are mentioned in Predator 2, but they're still barely relevant, they're practically self-contained movies, not sequels.
If something is set in the same continuity and after the previous effort, then it's a sequel. It's irrelevant whether the former events are referenced. Continuity is what matters.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 25, 2014, 11:59:00 PMIf something is set in the same continuity and after the previous effort, then it's a sequel. It's irrelevant whether the former events are referenced. Continuity is what matters.
But if the events on a movie don't have direct repercursion on the next, then who cares if they call it a sequel or a reboot or a self-contained movie, LOL.
Ahh the relief. I'm so glad they're not re-making it.
I do still certainly expect the film will be complete rubbish, and will unnecessarily add to the franchise, like 'Predators' did, in so many ways. And unfortunately, 'Prometheus' did also, though that's a prequel, so that was to be expected.
I don't have no hope, and I'll see the film either way, probably. But I won't get high hopes.
I am just glad that it's not Rodriguez doing the movie, or Antal either for that matter but after PREDATORS... I feel like I am walking on thin ice here. I honestly had been hoping for a reboot which would've started something on it's own while ignoring the previous sequels. But as it turns out, it's a sequel and an inventive one at that. I know that Shane Black was in the first movie but I never really saw Iron Man 3, and I barely remember the Long Kiss Goodnight which he happened to wrote. So I can't say anything about his directorial skills.
I wonder what ideas Shane has in mind for this sequel. Will it continue after PREDATORS? Not likely, and that is the case I can be quite thankful for that. But what kind of sequel will this be? A direct sequel to the original which ignores the others? A sequel set after Predator 2, ignoring Predators? Or will this bet set after PREDATORS? Personally.. I'm hoping this ignores PREDATORS and maybe even knock it out but that's just wishful thinking.
Who knows what Shane and Dekker's ideas are, and I suppose that is what has got me anxious so far.
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Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 25, 2014, 11:59:00 PMIf something is set in the same continuity and after the previous effort, then it's a sequel. It's irrelevant whether the former events are referenced. Continuity is what matters.
But if the events on a movie don't have direct repercursion on the next, then who cares if they call it a sequel or a reboot or a self-contained movie, LOL.
Preach. Call it a bowl of jello for all I care, just give us a good movie.
Thank God its not a carbon copy of the first and that its expanding the series.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 25, 2014, 11:59:00 PMIf something is set in the same continuity and after the previous effort, then it's a sequel. It's irrelevant whether the former events are referenced. Continuity is what matters.
But if the events on a movie don't have direct repercursion on the next, then who cares if they call it a sequel or a reboot or a self-contained movie, LOL.
So that whole team hunting the Pred based on the info they got from the previous movie have no connection?
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 26, 2014, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 25, 2014, 11:59:00 PMIf something is set in the same continuity and after the previous effort, then it's a sequel. It's irrelevant whether the former events are referenced. Continuity is what matters.
But if the events on a movie don't have direct repercursion on the next, then who cares if they call it a sequel or a reboot or a self-contained movie, LOL.
So that whole team hunting the Pred based on the info they got from the previous movie have no connection?
Man, sometimes you have to wonder who you're talking to, or whether what you're saying is going through, or if you should just give up LOL.
Dude, you could take out the part where they mention Dutch and his team in Predator 2, and it would NOT affect the movie (Predator 2) AT ALL. Keyes could've easily said they heard about this f**king race of aliens from NASA. Hahahaha Christ.
Not in the least bit surprised. I'm fine with a sequel. I hate reboots/remakes of the 2010s variety, anyway. COUGH-ROBOCOP-COUGH-TMNT-COUGH!
Yay i can sleep at night he isnt going to destroy the franchise !!!!:)
I think RR is likely not to come back this time. I do think Fox plans to have the movie to come out in 2017 for the 30th anniversary.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 12:04:58 AM
But if the events on a movie don't have direct repercursion on the next, then who cares if they call it a sequel or a reboot or a self-contained movie, LOL.
Largely, people don't. But if something
is declared as a remake/reboot/'reimagining', from the outset, then it's usually an indicator that the end result will feel at liberty to ignore the continuity and contradict what's come before it.
Whether or not that's necessarily a good thing depends on what kind of a gamble it is... It's like making a new '
Alien' film which declares the third and fourth movies were just dreams: Potentially interesting, but if it turns out to be a vastly inferior product to both of them, what's the point?
Now that we've got confirmation, however, this won't apply here.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 26, 2014, 12:46:43 AM
COUGH-ROBOCOP-COUGH-TMNT-COUGH!
TMNT I can understand.. But what was wrong with Robocop?
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 26, 2014, 12:30:08 AMSo that whole team hunting the Pred based on the info they got from the previous movie have no connection?
LOL, I didn't even remember that. I watched for last time the movie like 7 or 8 years ago, and I didn't like it much so I haven't feel the need of watching it again, I don't remember much of the movie.
So glad this is going to be a sequel and that Black has respect for the Predator mythos. I assume it will still be stand-alone and only acknowledge events of the previous films in passing, if at all.
Meh, I don't want to keep on with this discussion, and I don't care about the "sequel" or "reboot" terms, I will just call it "a new Predator movie" :laugh:
I guess Fox's line up will be:
2016: Prometheus 2
2017: Predators 2/Predator 4
2019 or 2020: Alien 5 or Prometheus 3
At this rate, I think Fox is done with AVP for good.
Hawkins will finally get the justice he deserves.
Seriously great news. I look forward to seeing the cast he pulls together.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 26, 2014, 01:32:57 AM
So glad this is going to be a sequel and that Black has respect for the Predator mythos. I assume it will still be stand-alone and only acknowledge events of the previous films in passing, if at all.
I am probably the only one who is disappointed that this isn't a reboot, but I can say that I am relieved that it's not Rodriguez or Antal at the helm again. What kind of sequel this movie will be remains to be seen, and what Black and Dekker's ideas are simply is left up to the imagination at this point. I just hope they stay true to the first two movies anyway.
I wouldn't mind this movie being a stand alone but I hope it doesn't reference or connect with PREDATORS. It's likely that it won't but I suppose that is wishful thinking.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 26, 2014, 02:05:37 AM
At this rate, I think Fox is done with AVP for good.
Which is a shame because the AVP universe could've had at least one more movie to perhaps redeem the franchise but apparently, abandoning ship was on Fox's mind.
Great news for us Predator fans I believe if this goes well maybe he can help write and direct a good Alien vs Predator movie as well
Sequel, reboot, whatever word they use doesn't bother me at all. Odds are, whether it is labeled as a sequel or reboot it's going to follow an all new cast of characters and maybe Arnie now that he's returned to acting.
Wahhhh they aren't using the word I like >:(
It's be funny if the movie starts out with predators but then becomes something else. Just like Prometheus did. Then at the end they throw a predator in at the last minute of the movie. :laugh:
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 12:32:34 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 26, 2014, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 25, 2014, 11:59:00 PMIf something is set in the same continuity and after the previous effort, then it's a sequel. It's irrelevant whether the former events are referenced. Continuity is what matters.
But if the events on a movie don't have direct repercursion on the next, then who cares if they call it a sequel or a reboot or a self-contained movie, LOL.
So that whole team hunting the Pred based on the info they got from the previous movie have no connection?
Man, sometimes you have to wonder who you're talking to, or whether what you're saying is going through, or if you should just give up LOL.
Dude, you could take out the part where they mention Dutch and his team in Predator 2, and it would NOT affect the movie (Predator 2) AT ALL. Keyes could've easily said they heard about this f**king race of aliens from NASA. Hahahaha Christ.
Lemon Juice settle down!
You're acting like this is a bloody football game! Hahahaha!
I'm loving the news!
I wonder when they will start on production, apparently I heard Black is working on a show called "The Good Guys." With Ryan Gosling
Sigh*** Ryan Gosling, what an arian dreamboat...
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 26, 2014, 03:01:14 AM
It's be funny if the movie starts out with predators but then becomes something else. Just like Prometheus did. Then at the end they throw a predator in at the last minute of the movie. :laugh:
"Shane Black No Longer Directing Predator Sequel; Project Morphs Into Zeus.
The movie will have strands of Predator DNA, but will stand alone as an original science fiction film."
Much better. ;D
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 03:06:38 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 26, 2014, 03:01:14 AM
It's be funny if the movie starts out with predators but then becomes something else. Just like Prometheus did. Then at the end they throw a predator in at the last minute of the movie. :laugh:
"Shane Black No Longer Directing Predator Sequel; Project Morphs Into Zeus.
The movie will have strands of Predator DNA, but will stand alone as an original science fiction film."
PREDATHEUS: "what I want to do is scare the living shit out of you"
By page 35 there were already mandibles, spears, wristblades, all the familiar tropes one comes to expect when watching a Predator movie.
I'll be interested to see what new route this sequel will go. I kinda hope we get a more fleshed out version of Predators, because the idea of the Preds dropping game onto a planet in a free-for-all kind of hunt was a great concept, just difficult to pull off with the budget Predators had. I'd love to see more alien prey. "Shit you wouldn't believe." as Nolan said.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 25, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
If you count none of the Predator movies featured the same characters, it doesn't really matter that they say it's a sequel or a reboot ::)
I simply didn't want it to be a remake of the original film, so I'm glad to hear that it's continuing the predator lore rather than reinventing it. It means he will stick to the basic predator backdrop: Live for the kill, the hunt, honor, kill only worthy opponents, etc...
So yeah I'm quite relieved and happy.
Now I just hope he doesn't bring super predators into this XD Or even worse, hyper predators ::) :o
I don't think this movie needs to be in space, sure that's an option. But I would rather that they made his first movie back on earth, either different time period (past or future) or Something in the climate like Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria/Lybia.
But yeah, seeing the predator homeworld would be really sweet. Like I said, I don't mind a predator movie that's more sci-fi and action than horror. I never understood why people had a problem with AvP because it was PG... that was the movie's least problem.
But you know what is the most important thing mister Black? Get back Alan Silvestri to write the score. He took the score of predator 1 and made it even greater in predator 2 with the tribal elements, I'm sure in this 3rd movie he'd blow our minds again.
Quote from: Hudson on Jun 25, 2014, 11:39:00 PMAnyway, I've gotta say I'm pretty excited, but I'm now in the same place I was in 2004, 2007, 2010, and 2012. I was disappointed all four times.
I'd add 2009 to the list (sh*tty comic series) and 2010 was a double disappointment. Mediocre movie (Predators) and mediocre game (AvP 2010). 2013 gave us a garbage game (A:CM).
Quote from: happypred on Jun 26, 2014, 06:45:23 AM
Mediocre movie (Predators) and mediocre game (AvP 2010).
I'll agree with you on PREDATORS.. I hope the new movie ignores it, or knocks it out entirely. As for AVP2010.. I'd have to disagree with you on that.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:29 AM
It means he will stick to the basic predator backdrop: Live for the kill, the hunt, honor, kill only worthy opponents, etc...
I am hoping Black and Dekker keep those elements. But of course there are plenty of fans that say that Predators having honor is more of a fanon concept.. Ironically enough, Rodriguez even admitted that they do in a video interview.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:29 AM
Now I just hope he doesn't bring super predators into this XD Or even worse, hyper predators ::) :o
Agreed.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:29 AM
I don't think this movie needs to be in space, sure that's an option. But I would rather that they made his first movie back on earth, either different time period (past or future) or Something in the climate like Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria/Lybia.
Agreed.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:29 AM
But yeah, seeing the predator homeworld would be really sweet.
We already saw the Predator homeworld in AvP-R. But fanon discontinuity dictates that it's a colonized world, not the homeworld. Take that as you will.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 26, 2014, 02:05:37 AM
I guess Fox's line up will be:
2016: Prometheus 2
2017: Predators 2/Predator 4
2019 or 2020: Alien 5 or Prometheus 3
At this rate, I think Fox is done with AVP for good.
I suspect we'll get another AVP eventually. Predators came out 20 years after Predator 2. It's bound to happen, they're just letting people forget about the last two first.
Also, I think we're more likely to see this new Predator film before we see Prometheus 2.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 06:48:39 AM
I am hoping Black and Dekker keep those elements.
I love that.
I'm very happy it's not a reboot. I much prefer a sequel and whilst I really enjoyed Predators, I'm not oblivious to the flaws but I don't hate it as much as most people - it's why I keep out of this board typically, because I just don't agree with most Predator fans.
I would like to see some more developments to the franchise. It's going to get boring if they just do the same thing. The Predator series is the most versatile of the lot - they can go back in time and fight Vikings, they can be Jack the Ripper, they can be in WW1/2 or Iraq. Or they could go in the future and be in WW3, off-world somewhere. I'm not too sure what I'd like to see but if it is future/other planet, I'd like to see a more significant presence of another alien species.
And I'm so desperate for a reboot of AvP. Something that completely ignores AvP/R and does it right.
In regards to Jack The Ripper...I don't think they can possibly be that. An entire movie where a Predator is mutilating the hell out of women? Or maybe I guess it's possible we get a detective story where a Predator is hunting down Jack The Ripper after he notices the mutilation of the women and decides to take this bastard out, which I guess at the end of the movie we'll see the Predator indeed killing him which will then be movie logic to explain why he disappeared.
That works. Woor.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 07:20:47 AM
I love that.
Glad to know that you do! It's kind of a pun on their last names! Heh heh! Black and Dekker!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 07:20:47 AM
I'm very happy it's not a reboot. I much prefer a sequel and whilst I really enjoyed Predators, I'm not oblivious to the flaws but I don't hate it as much as most people - it's why I keep out of this board typically, because I just don't agree with most Predator fans.
I actually had been hoping that this would've been a straight up reboot. I know reboots are not often viewed with favor, but really I don't always see them as a bad thing and they could be considered something as their own universe and their own canon. I will say that no, a reboot wouldn't have ruined the original movie or the franchise as a whole. It would've given fans a lot more of a choice to choose as far as continuity goes and it would've established it's own canon. Reboots aren't always a bad thing, people and they don't ruin ruin the original.
Fans need to take the approach similarly to how Alan Moore looks at adaptations of his works. When he was asked about his thoughts on the Watchmen movie and if it had ruined his work, he simply pointed to the book and said: "Do you see that? It's still there. It's on my shelf, and I can still read it."
I'm probably the only one disappointed that this isn't a reboot, but that's not to say I'm not on board. Au contraire, I am on board but rather quite cautiously might I say, especially after PREDATORS. I just hope that Black and Dekker know what they're doing, so right now I'm having a wait and see attitude towards this until more news comes out.
I just hope that the ideas he comes up with are ones which I agree with. I have some hopes for Black and Dekker!
Don't fail me, boys! I've a lot of emotional investment in the Predator character and franchise!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 07:20:47 AM
I would like to see some more developments to the franchise. It's going to get boring if they just do the same thing. The Predator series is the most versatile of the lot - they can go back in time and fight Vikings, they can be Jack the Ripper, they can be in WW1/2 or Iraq. Or they could go in the future and be in WW3, off-world somewhere. I'm not too sure what I'd like to see but if it is future/other planet, I'd like to see a more significant presence of another alien species.
When you say go back in time, do you mean via time travel or set as a movie that is set within a particular setting? I mean I would love to see a Predator movie that is set in the past, be it in the middle ages, the renaissance, feudal Japan or even be set in the future-- though Predator 2 sort of took that route in a sense but a far flung future. Preferably one which is not the same future as the Alien timeline, and this is coming from someone who likes his Aliens and Predators together but considering how muddled th continuity is, I'd rather see the three franchises (I'm counting AvP too) set as their own individual timelines and universes.
As for an alien species.. I will give PREDATORS some credit. The idea of seeing other aliens aside from Xenomorphs was a good idea but it was just executed poorly in my opinion. If we're going to see anymore alien creatures, I'd rather they not be Engineers or Xenomorphs. Keep Engineers in Prometheus/Alien, and keep the Xenomorphs in Alien/AvP.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 07:20:47 AM
And I'm so desperate for a reboot of AvP. Something that completely ignores AvP/R and does it right.
If one were to reboot AvP, how could it even be done? Would it render the old AvP movies as an AU and should they be treated as such (I have no problem if they were officially declared an AU or alternate timeline, infact.. I welcome that. Everybody wins.) and the reboot movies be considered the mainstream AvP? Which movies should these hypothetical reboot AvPs acknowledge as far as Predator goes?
Either way, Fox doesn't seem to want to try their hands at AvP for a long, long time if ever at all.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 26, 2014, 07:18:34 AM
Also, I think we're more likely to see this new Predator film before we see Prometheus 2.
Prometheus 2 comes out March 2016. I doubt Predator 4 will be out by 2015 or early 2016. Maybe late 2016, but I see 2017 happening for the new film. Predators prove that people were still up for another solo film after the AVP movies.
Speaking of AvP: I always had this idea of a scene in a sequel that continued on after the AvP movies, where we actually get an explanation as to why the Aliens from both AvP films were just basically cannon fodder without any of the actual sneaky wit they had in the previous movies. It had something to do with how the Preds were basically forcing the Queen to lay eggs, something or other about how that, and whatever other kind of manipulation the Preds did would end up making the aliens less of a threat than they actually are in the films prior to AvP.
Then I thought how insane that actually is to try and come up with an excuse for the way the Aliens were portrayed in those movies.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 26, 2014, 08:14:39 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 26, 2014, 07:18:34 AM
Also, I think we're more likely to see this new Predator film before we see Prometheus 2.
Prometheus 2 comes out March 2016. I doubt Predator 4 will be out by 2015 or early 2016. Maybe late 2016, but I see 2017 happening for the new film. Predators prove that people were still up for another solo film after the AVP movies.
Yep, and three years later no less.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 08:17:05 AM
Then I thought how insane that actually is to try and come up with an excuse for the way the Aliens were portrayed in those movies.
I remember Anderson trying to pass off the "Word of God" trope by saying that the reason the Aliens had grown in such a short amount of time and probably appeared differently was because they were likely genetically manipulated or the Queen's egg sack had been injected with some sort of chemical.
Not a lot of people took kindly to that..
I consider myself an easily entertained person, and while I liked the movies and would even love to see an AvP3 continue that particular storyline.. I can safely say that it's likely never going to happen. A reboot is more likely to happen but considering that we have a Prometheus trilogy ahead of us, and God knows how many more Predator movies (I'm willing to bet this is the last one before a reboot)... We're not likely to see AvP happening in either a sequel or a reboot anytime soon.
As I said earlier, we are geting another sequel. That's what I expected.
Quote from: Master on Jun 26, 2014, 09:21:24 AM
As I said earlier, we are geting another sequel. That's what I expected.
What kind of a sequel is yet to be determined. Will it be to the original only? A sequel to Predator 2? A follow up to PREDATORS? Or a stand alone?
Whatever Shane does, it'll be one hot ticket.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 09:29:10 AM
Quote from: Master on Jun 26, 2014, 09:21:24 AM
As I said earlier, we are geting another sequel. That's what I expected.
What kind of a sequel is yet to be determined. Will it be to the original only? A sequel to Predator 2? A follow up to PREDATORS? Or a stand alone?
Whatever Shane does, it'll be one hot ticket.
Why do you keep asking this? We don't know, but it's safe to assume it'll not follow any other film. It'll be a standalone, per usual.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 09:29:10 AM
Quote from: Master on Jun 26, 2014, 09:21:24 AM
As I said earlier, we are geting another sequel. That's what I expected.
What kind of a sequel is yet to be determined. Will it be to the original only? A sequel to Predator 2? A follow up to PREDATORS? Or a stand alone?
Whatever Shane does, it'll be one hot ticket.
As far as I`m concerned, I`d like to see Garber and Predator capture/kill to aquire his tech arc.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 06:48:39 AM
I'll agree with you on PREDATORS.. I hope the new movie ignores it, or knocks it out entirely. As for AVP2010.. I'd have to disagree with you on that.
Critics wouldn't, and that's what matters in the end when they go to make more films and games.
If it's a sequel to Predators then I wonder if Hawkins ends up being in the movie. It won't surprise me if they explain that he has been on the Planet for nearly 30 years.
yeah im most curious about who's doing the predator makeup effects. i hope they make stan winston proud. this movie needs to fire on all cylinders. script, budget, artists, the predators facial expressions haven't been done properly in ages. i think shane black will give this movie the care it deserves and i believe his enthusiasm is genuine.
I gotta say I'm quite relieved this is actually going to be a sequel. The Predator mythos is rich and has so much untapped potential for the big screen. Why start over? That, and the constant string of bad reboots, remakes, spin-offs, etc. over the past several years have generally put me off on the whole concept.
I'm very glad to hear Black is passionate about doing this right.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 07:20:47 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 06:48:39 AM
I am hoping Black and Dekker keep those elements.
I love that.
I'm very happy it's not a reboot. I much prefer a sequel and whilst I really enjoyed Predators, I'm not oblivious to the flaws but I don't hate it as much as most people - it's why I keep out of this board typically, because I just don't agree with most Predator fans.
I would like to see some more developments to the franchise. It's going to get boring if they just do the same thing. The Predator series is the most versatile of the lot - they can go back in time and fight Vikings, they can be Jack the Ripper, they can be in WW1/2 or Iraq. Or they could go in the future and be in WW3, off-world somewhere. I'm not too sure what I'd like to see but if it is future/other planet, I'd like to see a more significant presence of another alien species.
And I'm so desperate for a reboot of AvP. Something that completely ignores AvP/R and does it right.
I know what you mean. I feel the same way on all your points.
Everyone wants something new, but without straying too far from the core concepts. I personally felt that PREDATORS stayed a little too far from that when they had introduced the ideas which were in that particular movie such as the preserve planet and the idea of the Super Predators. So I'm hoping that Shane doesn't introduce something new that doesn't contradict what was established or falls too far off from the first two movies.
Has Predator culture been explored enough? I would absolutely think so and I don't think anymore needs to be added onto it. PREDATORS did that with the Super Predators, and those lot happen to be something of a mixed bag as it is. Someone had mentioned different occupations for Predators, and that's something I may want to see depending on how it's pulled off. Sure, Wolf in AvP-R was supposed to be a Cleaner but he came off more as a Hunter than Cleaner.
I remember seeing someone mention a Predator Cowboy, and while the idea sounds silly in the initial title.. It could work. Think about it, imagine a Predator who also happens to be a lawman, or something equal to a cop as far as Predators are concerned. A Predator who goes after the psychotics and criminal caste of the Predator race. I wouldn't mind seeing a Predator movie where there are two Predators, one who is a psychotic killer that relentlessly kills it's prey regardless if they are armed and dangerous or not, and the other who happens to be so bent on hunting this other Predator while effectively removing anything that's in his path. Humans would be caught in the middle, with both Predators posing as a threat to them.
Or how about a Predator Trapper that has lost an alien creature (not a Xenomorph or River Ghost)-- a creature completely different that poses a threat to humans and the Predator itself? The creature gets loose and is now on the run. Humans try to kill this creature to ensure their own survival, and the Predator Trapper is trying to capture said creature while also killing humans to ensure that it's intended quarry is not killed. Both creatures would still pose a threat to humans.
Just some ideas here and there on what new things could be explored.
Awesome ! I hope Shane Black keeps the atmosphere from the movies and has at least a decent story but besides that , looks like it's time to party !!! :D
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 06:47:40 PMEveryone wants something new, but without straying too far from the core concepts. I personally felt that PREDATORS stayed a little too far from that when they had introduced the ideas which were in that particular movie such as the preserve planet and the idea of the Super Predators. So I'm hoping that Shane doesn't introduce something new that doesn't contradict what was established or falls too far off from the first two movies.
Has Predator culture been explored enough? I would absolutely think so and I don't think anymore needs to be added onto it. PREDATORS did that with the Super Predators, and those lot happen to be something of a mixed bag as it is. Someone had mentioned different occupations for Predators, and that's something I may want to see depending on how it's pulled off. Sure, Wolf in AvP-R was supposed to be a Cleaner but he came off more as a Hunter than Cleaner.
I remember seeing someone mention a Predator Cowboy, and while the idea sounds silly in the initial title.. It could work. Think about it, imagine a Predator who also happens to be a lawman, or something equal to a cop as far as Predators are concerned. A Predator who goes after the psychotics and criminal caste of the Predator race. I wouldn't mind seeing a Predator movie where there are two Predators, one who is a psychotic killer that relentlessly kills it's prey regardless if they are armed and dangerous or not, and the other who happens to be so bent on hunting this other Predator while effectively removing anything that's in his path. Humans would be caught in the middle, with both Predators posing as a threat to them.
Or how about a Predator Trapper that has lost an alien creature (not a Xenomorph or River Ghost)-- a creature completely different that poses a threat to humans and the Predator itself? The creature gets loose and is now on the run. Humans try to kill this creature to ensure their own survival, and the Predator Trapper is trying to capture said creature while also killing humans to ensure that it's intended quarry is not killed. Both creatures would still pose a threat to humans.
Just some ideas here and there on what new things could be explored.
Those ideas are not bad. But I mean, there's literally a hundred possibilities for the Predator franchise. The only thing I hope is that they already have a good idea for what the movie will be about. It's seriously difficult to do something that respects the Predator essence and at the same time works as the "natural step" to evolve the franchise.
But the studios usually greenlight movies without even having a script or an idea of what they're going to do, so they sometimes probably choose the first script treatment they offer them because they don't care about respecting the movie, they only want to milk it to make more money out of it.
For what it seems, Black was simply offered a lot of money and he's barely starting to think what he's going to do with the script (like "mmh, I would like it to acknowledge the events of the past movies, I'd like to create a richer mythology..."), I don't think he had a visionary idea for the Predator before the contract.
So, the only thing we can hope is that Black comes with a brilliant idea, although like I said, it's extremely hard to do a great Predator successor movie. I say, again, the Predators movie idea was nice, the movie was OK, it was decent, but it wasn't something brilliant. The concept wasn't the one to create the "evolution" of the Predator franchise, but it was fair, only to equal the one of the first two movies (in the best of the results) and keep on with the quality.
So again, unless they're able to come with a really clever concept before the production date arrives, they will most likely release in the end something that is "decent" or "OK" at best.
Count on one thing.
Arnie will be back.
I remember old fan rumors in the 90's and early 2000's had the idea of humans going to the Predator home Planet for Predator 3. I wonder if that idea can work?
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 26, 2014, 09:39:45 PM
I remember old fan rumors in the 90's and early 2000's had the idea of humans going to the Predator home Planet for Predator 3. I wonder if that idea can work?
The 1994 Rodriguez script? Hell no!
Quote from: Xenoscream on Jun 26, 2014, 08:11:21 PM
Count on one thing.
Arnie will be back.
I'd like him to be back. Have the Predator to kill him on-screen.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 12:04:12 AM
I'd like him to be back. Have the Predator to kill him on-screen.
And how much do you wanna bet that'll piss everyone off? :laugh:
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 27, 2014, 12:16:29 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 12:04:12 AM
I'd like him to be back. Have the Predator to kill him on-screen.
And how much do you wanna bet that'll piss everyone off? :laugh:
Has Schwarzenegger been killed off in any movie? Give him a heroic death, why not?
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 12:18:41 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 27, 2014, 12:16:29 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 12:04:12 AM
I'd like him to be back. Have the Predator to kill him on-screen.
And how much do you wanna bet that'll piss everyone off? :laugh:
Has Schwarzenegger been killed off in any movie? Give him a heroic death, why not?
All of the Terminator movies. :P
Spoiler
And Sabotage ends with him smoking a cigar as he bleeds to death in a bar in Mexico.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 27, 2014, 12:23:27 AMAll of the Terminator movies. :P
T1 was not Schwarzenegger, it was this metallic skelleton.
T2 and 3 he wasn't killed off, he suicided.
Please have a Predator cutting Arnold's head off in the first 15 minutes of Predator 4 or whatever you call the movie. That would really get my attention.
Right, right.. The Terminator movies, I completely forgot about those. A heroic death is fine, I suppose..
Salvation doesn't count since it was Kickenger as the T-Rip.. Not exactly Arnold though. Heh! :laugh:
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 12:25:30 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 27, 2014, 12:23:27 AMAll of the Terminator movies. :P
T1 was not Schwarzenegger, it was this metallic skelleton.
T2 and 3 he wasn't killed off, he suicided.
In T1, his skin burned off. And suicide still leaves the character dead, hence "killed off."
The important thing is that Arnold is supposed to be the badass action star. I would love to see a slow motion scene with Arnold being shot and blown to pieces by the Predator cannon.
The Predator is badass enough to kill Arnold. I mean, good uncle Yautja won't be killed again by a septuagenarian Arnie. Please give the Predator the respect it deserves. Nobody should be able to survive a Predator twice.
Older Arnie is more invincible Arnie. Did you see EX2? I don't think anyone in the Expendables even got shot or injured!
Thank god he changed his mind to just making a sequel instead of a reboot. Hope the 4th film is about what happens to Royce and Isabelle on that Predator hunting world or bring back Dutch and Harrigan.
Quote from: roymclaine on Jun 27, 2014, 02:14:33 AM
Hope the 4th film is about what happens to Royce and Isabelle on that Predator hunting world or bring back Dutch and Harrigan.
It is possible that it maybe a continuation of PREDATORS but it is also possible that the next movie won't acknowledge it and instead be a whole new story altogether. Dutch is likely to return but Harrigan? Glover said he was done with the franchise, so it's not likely he'll come back.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 27, 2014, 02:13:18 AM
Older Arnie is more invincible Arnie. Did you see EX2? I don't think anyone in the Expendables even got shot or injured!
Right. But those movies are shit.
Arnie's only died on-screen once as a human (Not including his latest two movies, which I haven't seen) in
Spoiler
End of Days
Quote from: SiL on Jun 27, 2014, 03:04:48 AM
Arnie's only died on-screen once as a human (Not including his latest two movies, which I haven't seen) in Spoiler
End of Days
Again, suicide.
You said killed off. He died. His character was killed off by the plot. And it was heroic.
Good grief, guys. What is with this obsession with wanting to see Arnold killed off on screen? :o
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Jun 27, 2014, 03:19:03 AM
Good grief, guys. What is with this obsession with wanting to see Arnold killed off on screen? :o
Personally, I wouldn't want Arnold to return. I think the mystery of Dutch's fate is something work keeping.. But considering that Shane Black is on board, I'm willing to bet we will get Arnold in either as a cameo, or perhaps even the starring role.
But I am more interested in the setting, and of course how Black and Dekker will portray the creatures and what their ideas are. I'm cautiously optimistic, and while I haven't seen Shane Black's directed features.. I have seen movies which he has written. Ricochet is one of my favorite movies and he had a hand in it, and so is Night of the Creeps which Black and Dekker worked on together!
Considering I felt Iron Man 3 was Predators-level disappointing I don't know how I feel about this. He seems like a better choice than a lot of other people, and I'm certainly more game for this than another Prometheus, so we'll just have to see how it goes. I'm hoping Legacy Effects does the Predator work and of course the return of Alan Silvestri.
I'm also reminded I need to see The Monster Squad. :-[
Quote from: Gilfryd on Jun 27, 2014, 08:28:58 AMI'm also reminded I need to see The Monster Squad. :-[
Great movie :)
how would you feel if it takes place in the next ten years and homeland terrorists, pirates and religious fanatics threaten mankinds very existence and predators love killing all the crazies? sort of becoming the "good guys" im curious about the plot shane black has cooked up. and i dont want to know so i can be surprised when i see it.
Quote from: Gilfryd on Jun 27, 2014, 08:28:58 AM
Considering I felt Iron Man 3 was Predators-level disappointing I don't know how I feel about this. He seems like a better choice than a lot of other people, and I'm certainly more game for this than another Prometheus, so we'll just have to see how it goes.
I have never really seen Iron Man 3, so I can't really say anything about that particular movie or Shane Black's directorial abilities. However as far as Fred Dekker is concerned, I have seen the Monster Squad and as far as that movie is concerned.. It was a good horror comedy film with a modern spin on the classical horror monsters. Robocop 3, which Dekker also did.. Aaaaaah.. You know, I don't know what went wrong with that movie.. Some say it was the script, others say studio interference or something to do with the bankruptcy but.. that movie was considered the one which killed Dekker's career as a director. Personally, I don't hate Robocop 3.. Just was disappointed with it in some aspects.
I really have nothing bad to say about this turn of events, although I had been hoping for a reboot, I'm curious to see where this sequel goes and exactly which film it's a sequel to. But my main concerns are where the movie will be set, the treatment of the Predator creature and culture, what will be added and how it will fit. All of those.. I'm sure we'll find out in maybe six months to a year's time.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 27, 2014, 08:50:29 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Jun 27, 2014, 08:28:58 AMI'm also reminded I need to see The Monster Squad. :-[
Great movie :)
the creature from the black lagoon makeup effects are done by guys who worked on predator and i remember thinking it looked fantastic . "wolfmans got nards" kick him in the nards
Quote from: worldpeace on Jun 27, 2014, 08:55:05 AMthe creature from the black lagoon makeup effects are done by guys who worked on predator and i remember thinking it looked fantastic . "wolfmans got nards" kick him in the nards
You mean Stan Winston, the late Godfather of special effects. He did the makeup for all of the creatures in
The monster Squad.
The Creature from the Black Lagoon looked absolutely amazing, but it's hardly used in the film and he goes out like a bitch :(
he did fine directing ironman3... the script was the issue . hes going to do fine. stop over analysing so much so soon... he was in predator he wrote lethal weapon and can direct. i bet he actually cares and has spent years thinking about what he would do if making a predator sequel .
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 27, 2014, 08:54:45 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Jun 27, 2014, 08:28:58 AM
Considering I felt Iron Man 3 was Predators-level disappointing I don't know how I feel about this. He seems like a better choice than a lot of other people, and I'm certainly more game for this than another Prometheus, so we'll just have to see how it goes.
I have never really seen Iron Man 3, so I can't really say anything about that particular movie or Shane Black's directorial abilities. However as far as Fred Dekker is concerned, I have seen the Monster Squad and as far as that movie is concerned.. It was a good horror comedy film with a modern spin on the classical horror monsters. Robocop 3, which Dekker also did.. Aaaaaah.. You know, I don't know what went wrong with that movie.. Some say it was the script, others say studio interference or something to do with the bankruptcy but.. that movie was considered the one which killed Dekker's career as a director. Personally, I don't hate Robocop 3.. Just was disappointed with it in some aspects.
I really have nothing bad to say about this turn of events, although I had been hoping for a reboot, I'm curious to see where this sequel goes and exactly which film it's a sequel to. But my main concerns are where the movie will be set, the treatment of the Predator creature and culture, what will be added and how it will fit. All of those.. I'm sure we'll find out in maybe six months to a year's time.
My problem with Iron Man 3, as far as Shane Black is concerned, is that it didn't really feel like a Shane Black movie. Hopefully with him being involved in the script for this new sequel, it'll have some more of his magic.
this movie could bring a next gen game if we are lucky. i wouldn't be shocked if fox wants to do what marvel did. they no longer have starwars. they need to polish predator and alien then avp then throw engineers into the mix and then ????
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 27, 2014, 08:59:16 AM
You mean Stan Winston, the late Godfather of special effects. He did the makeup for all of the creatures in The monster Squad.
Dude! The Godfather of special makeup effects was Dick Smith :P
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Jun 27, 2014, 03:19:03 AM
Good grief, guys. What is with this obsession with wanting to see Arnold killed off on screen? :o
The Predator deserves killing Schwarzenneger :)
God I hope its better than Predators in fact I hope it disregards it the big pile of shit..
Quote from: shakermakerman on Jun 27, 2014, 04:18:15 PM
God I hope its better than Predators in fact I hope it disregards it the big pile of shit..
Couldn't agree more.. But let's wait and see what Black and Dekker's ideas are!
I think this is great news! I just hope that Arnold will come back to this series. Since I was ten years old I wanted this. If Arnold does not get involved I hope they get someone that has grit to be the protagonist like Andrew Lincoln or Tom Hardy. I may upset many by saying this but I hope Shane does not cast Vin Diesel, The Rock, John Cena, Channing Tatum, Jamiee Fox or Kellen Lutz for this.
Quote from: smuggeorgeclooney on Jun 27, 2014, 04:27:49 PM
I think this is great news! I just hope that Arnold will come back to this series. Since I was ten years old I wanted this. If Arnold does not get involved I hope they get someone that has grit to be the protagonist like Andrew Lincoln or Tom Hardy. I may upset many by saying this but I hope Shane does not cast Vin Diesel, The Rock, John Cena, Channing Tatum, Jamiee Fox or Kellen Lutz for this.
What's wrong with Dwayne Johnson or Jaime Fox? I mean the others I could understand but what's wrong with those two?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 27, 2014, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: smuggeorgeclooney on Jun 27, 2014, 04:27:49 PM
I think this is great news! I just hope that Arnold will come back to this series. Since I was ten years old I wanted this. If Arnold does not get involved I hope they get someone that has grit to be the protagonist like Andrew Lincoln or Tom Hardy. I may upset many by saying this but I hope Shane does not cast Vin Diesel, The Rock, John Cena, Channing Tatum, Jamiee Fox or Kellen Lutz for this.
What's wrong with Dwayne Johnson or Jaime Fox? I mean the others I could understand but what's wrong with those two?
Riddick vs Predator.
I would like the next movie to be The Expendables vs Predator. Have old uncle Yautja killing one by one all these overrated action movie stars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee925OTFBCA)
Watching The Long Kiss Goodnight which so happened to be written by Shane Black.. I think we're in good hands! :)
Dwayne Johnson can't act. I would like action movie starts that can act. Dwayne Johnson was bad in both Doom, The Mummy II, G.I Joe 2 and Faster. Jaime Fox is pretty good for the most part. What about Bryan Cranston?
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 28, 2014, 05:36:24 AM
Dwayne Johnson can't act. I would like action movie starts that can act.
Arnold can't act either, the one of few reasons why he got famous is because two of his most iconic roles were largely non-speaking roles or minimal speaking roles. Of course I happen to be talking about Conan and the Terminator. Not to mention his physique was also a reason why he got popular in the late 70s to early 80s. Also.. Arnold's schtick is the tough macho man with catchy one liners.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 28, 2014, 05:36:24 AM
Jaime Fox is pretty good for the most part.
Agreed. If you've seen the movie Jarhead, you'll see why I have no problem with Jaime Fox being cast for a Predator movie.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 28, 2014, 05:36:24 AM
What about Bryan Cranston?
Nope, I just don't see it.
The Rock can most certainly act. He ain't the most electrifying man in all of sports entertainment for nothing.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 28, 2014, 08:51:56 AM
The Rock can most certainly act. He ain't the most electrifying man in all of sports entertainment for nothing.
IF YAAAA SMEEEEEELL-L-L-L-L-L-L-L.....! What the Rock... is cookin'. :laugh:
What are you guys saying? That they're going to do a theatrical release of wrestlemania 31 featuring The Rock vs Predator?
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jun 28, 2014, 10:00:25 AM
What are you guys saying? That they're going to do a theatrical release of wrestlemania 31 featuring The Rock vs Predator?
Better than Inception and Godfather combined
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jun 28, 2014, 10:00:25 AM
What are you guys saying? That they're going to do a theatrical release of wrestlemania 31 featuring The Rock vs Predator?
No, we're saying that Dwayne Johnson wouldn't be too illogical a choice to cast as the leading protagonist.
Dwayne Johnson would be my first choice for the lead role. We don't need academy award winning actors, we had that with Brody and whilst he did a good job with the role he was given, nothing compares to Arnie's performance from the original. Besides, Dwayne Johnson is a decent actor and he has great charisma about him and could easily carry a 80's style action/sci-fi movie.
Now is a good opportunity to finally skip human part of Predator franchise. I've been dreaming about a movie with Predators only. No stupid humans, no Aliens. Just Predators hunting for some crazy monsters from space.
Quote from: Predarnold on Jun 28, 2014, 08:16:50 PM
Now is a good opportunity to finally skip human part of Predator franchise. I've been dreaming about a movie with Predators only. No stupid humans, no Aliens. Just Predators hunting for some crazy monsters from space.
you know that this is a recipie for worst Predator film ever? No mystery, no plot, just monster killing monsters. Wonderfull.... ::)
I`d prefere Vin Diesel for main role.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:29 AM
kill only worthy opponents
Not sure that's applicable... Predators are opportunists.
QuoteGet back Alan Silvestri to write the score. He took the score of predator 1 and made it even greater in predator 2 with the tribal elements, I'm sure in this 3rd movie he'd blow our minds again.
Thought Debney did fine.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 07:20:47 AM
they can be Jack the Ripper
Not sure a Predator who goes around killing off unarmed Victorian prostitutes would really fit the series. :)
QuoteAnd I'm so desperate for a reboot of AvP. Something that completely ignores AvP/R and does it right.
Agreed. It's one of those concepts which
should have been extraordinarily difficult to get wrong.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 07:34:38 AM
Or maybe I guess it's possible we get a detective story
No more detective stories, please. That's one of the flaws of '
Predator 2'. The audience already knows what's doing all the mutilated killings and there's no mystery to solve, even though the story spends most of its time trying to make that a genuine revelation.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 06:47:40 PM
A Predator who goes after the psychotics and criminal caste of the Predator race. I wouldn't mind seeing a Predator movie where there are two Predators, one who is a psychotic killer that relentlessly kills it's prey regardless if they are armed and dangerous or not, and the other who happens to be so bent on hunting this other Predator while effectively removing anything that's in his path. Humans would be caught in the middle, with both Predators posing as a threat to them.
That would be difficult to sell. The audience wouldn't care, since both are effectively doing the same thing.
Also, I'm not sure Predator culture would brand such personalities as criminals. Being considered honourless and, thus, not as worthy of respect, is different and would be relatively trivial, considering the 'good' ones would still be going around doing the horrific things Predators do.
Would also be furthering the myth of turning them into alien samurai, rather than blood-thirsty galactic safari hunters.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 12:25:30 AM
Please have a Predator cutting Arnold's head off in the first 15 minutes of Predator 4 or whatever you call the movie. That would really get my attention.
Why would they want to? It's not as if there were any Predator witnesses - or as if they could differentiate his fuzzy blob of heat from millions of others, once he got back to human civilisation.
Besides, we saw from Harrigan that if a Predator is defeated by prey, the human is considered worthy enough to leave be.
And, as I say, that assumes they'd want to after all those years - and would have any kind of clue he'd even done it.
Quote from: Predarnold on Jun 28, 2014, 08:16:50 PM
Now is a good opportunity to finally skip human part of Predator franchise. I've been dreaming about a movie with Predators only. No stupid humans, no Aliens. Just Predators hunting for some crazy monsters from space.
Unless it's some kind of CGI-only movie, that's likely to get boring - and incredibly budget-intensive - very fast. Predators are villains, not heroes.
It'd be like having a '
Nightmare On Elm Street' sequel, where it's all from Freddy's perspective and he's going around killing off supernatural nasties for the hell of it. Do-able in a relatively short comic, but a movie would mean that entire concept would have to be held aloft for two hours or more (and be a little morally bankrupt, considering the audience would be expected to cheer on what's essentially a paedophile/rapist/mass-murderer).
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2014, 08:56:23 PM
I`d prefere Vin Diesel for main role.
I'd prefer an unknown.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 28, 2014, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:29 AM
kill only worthy opponents
Not sure that's applicable... Predators are opportunists.
QuoteGet back Alan Silvestri to write the score. He took the score of predator 1 and made it even greater in predator 2 with the tribal elements, I'm sure in this 3rd movie he'd blow our minds again.
Thought Debney did fine.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 07:20:47 AM
they can be Jack the Ripper
Not sure a Predator who goes around killing off unarmed Victorian prostitutes would really fit the series. :)
QuoteAnd I'm so desperate for a reboot of AvP. Something that completely ignores AvP/R and does it right.
Agreed. It's one of those concepts which should have been extraordinarily difficult to get wrong.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 07:34:38 AM
Or maybe I guess it's possible we get a detective story
No more detective stories, please. That's one of the flaws of 'Predator 2'. The audience already knows what's doing all the mutilated killings and there's no mystery to solve, even though the story spends most of its time trying to make that a genuine revelation.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 06:47:40 PM
A Predator who goes after the psychotics and criminal caste of the Predator race. I wouldn't mind seeing a Predator movie where there are two Predators, one who is a psychotic killer that relentlessly kills it's prey regardless if they are armed and dangerous or not, and the other who happens to be so bent on hunting this other Predator while effectively removing anything that's in his path. Humans would be caught in the middle, with both Predators posing as a threat to them.
That would be difficult to sell. The audience wouldn't care, since both are effectively doing the same thing.
Also, I'm not sure Predator culture would brand such personalities as criminals. Being considered honourless and, thus, not as worthy of respect, is different and would be relatively trivial, considering the 'good' ones would still be going around doing the horrific things Predators do.
Would also be furthering the myth of turning them into alien samurai, rather than blood-thirsty galactic safari hunters.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 12:25:30 AM
Please have a Predator cutting Arnold's head off in the first 15 minutes of Predator 4 or whatever you call the movie. That would really get my attention.
Why would they want to? It's not as if there were any Predator witnesses - or as if they could differentiate his fuzzy blob of heat from millions of others, once he got back to human civilisation.
Besides, we saw from Harrigan that if a Predator is defeated by prey, the human is considered worthy enough to leave be.
And, as I say, that assumes they'd want to after all those years - and would have any kind of clue he'd even done it.
Quote from: Predarnold on Jun 28, 2014, 08:16:50 PM
Now is a good opportunity to finally skip human part of Predator franchise. I've been dreaming about a movie with Predators only. No stupid humans, no Aliens. Just Predators hunting for some crazy monsters from space.
Unless it's some kind of CGI-only movie, that's likely to get boring - and incredibly budget-intensive - very fast. Predators are villains, not heroes.
It'd be like having a 'Nightmare On Elm Street' sequel, where it's all from Freddy's perspective and he's going around killing off supernatural nasties for the hell of it. Do-able in a relatively short comic, but a movie would mean that entire concept would have to be held aloft for two hours or more (and be a little morally bankrupt, considering the audience would be expected to cheer on what's essentially a paedophile/rapist/mass-murderer).
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2014, 08:56:23 PM
I`d prefere Vin Diesel for main role.
I'd prefer an unknown.
But one of the appeals of original was the cast of knows 80` stars. Arnie, Duke, Ventura and Weathers were known actors. Why not have thaseame now? Diesel, Johnson, Bennet etc.
It'd be interesting to see a movie with no humans solely centered on Predators exploring their culture in more depth, though that probably wouldn't fly with a conventional audience, it would also run the risk of demystifying the Predator mythos, intriguing but probably not such a good idea if you want to keep the predator scary. ???
In the new film predator,I'd like to predator has a major role and to fight against another predator clan :):):)
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2014, 09:08:05 PMBut one of the appeals of original was the cast of knows 80` stars. Arnie, Duke, Ventura and Weathers were known actors. Why not have thaseame now? Diesel, Johnson, Bennet etc.
You are right. Ace Ventura vs Predator would be awesome.
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
But one of the appeals of original was the cast of knows 80` stars. Arnie, Duke, Ventura and Weathers were known actors. Why not have thaseame now? Diesel, Johnson, Bennet etc.
Jason Statham would fit in. He would definitely fit in a Predator movie.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 28, 2014, 09:31:32 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
But one of the appeals of original was the cast of knows 80` stars. Arnie, Duke, Ventura and Weathers were known actors. Why not have thaseame now? Diesel, Johnson, Bennet etc.
Jason Statham would fit in. He would definitely fit in a Predator movie.
Danny Trejo fit better :D
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
But one of the appeals of original was the cast of knows 80` stars. Arnie, Duke, Ventura and Weathers were known actors. Why not have thaseame now? Diesel, Johnson, Bennet etc.
Because they suited their characters. I'd rather the script focus on characterisation and
then found the right people to portray them.
And why everyone assumes the hero isn't going to be female is... Interesting.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 28, 2014, 09:31:32 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 28, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
But one of the appeals of original was the cast of knows 80` stars. Arnie, Duke, Ventura and Weathers were known actors. Why not have thaseame now? Diesel, Johnson, Bennet etc.
Jason Statham would fit in. He would definitely fit in a Predator movie.
Expendables vs Predators 8)
Expendables vs Predators 8):):):):):) there is some truth .in my opinion Arnold Schvarzenegger lead a team of commandos, intending to catch a live predator and get hold of the space technology.Operation fails, the rest of the surviving team is in the midst of war between two predators Clan.Half of the film may be in the country and the other half on another planet.Arnold team is made ​​up of Dwayne Johnson,Staham,Stallone..................... itd. I would especially like to Arnold and Stallone only survive and to enter into history, living catching predators.For me was a real movie, I'd love to hear your feedback:):):):)
QuoteI'll agree with you on PREDATORS.. I hope the new movie ignores it, or knocks it out entirely. As for AVP2010.. I'd have to disagree with you on that.
You're right. It wasn't mediocre, it was f**king awful.
Quote from: S H A D O W:) on Jun 28, 2014, 11:46:09 PM
in my opinion Arnold Schvarzenegger lead a team of commandos, intending to catch a live predator and get hold of the space technology.
Honestly, the last thing I'd expect Dutch to have any desire to do is to leap back into that proverbial frying pan... Look at him at the end credits. He's
done.
Also intelligent enough to know he was damned lucky to get out with his life.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Jun 27, 2014, 04:18:15 PM
God I hope its better than Predators in fact I hope it disregards it the big pile of shit..
Shaker... I had no idea you felt that way...I'm disappointed.
Quote from: Predarnold on Jun 28, 2014, 08:16:50 PM
Now is a good opportunity to finally skip human part of Predator franchise. I've been dreaming about a movie with Predators only. No stupid humans, no Aliens. Just Predators hunting for some crazy monsters from space.
This makes me angry...
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 28, 2014, 08:59:50 PMWhy would they want to? It's not as if there were any Predator witnesses - or as if they could differentiate his fuzzy blob of heat from millions of others, once he got back to human civilisation.
Besides, we saw from Harrigan that if a Predator is defeated by prey, the human is considered worthy enough to leave be.
And, as I say, that assumes they'd want to after all those years - and would have any kind of clue he'd even done it.
It could be the opposite, you know? Probably Dutch leading a Predator-tracking special agency. He gets killed in collateral damage.
If I would like anything from the new Predator movie is don't have the Predators turned into pussies. If anything, they could be even more badass this time. I want badass unarmed fighting and probably one of them killing Schwarzenegger. Respect the Yautja.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
Respect the Yautja.
Dutch
did respect his opponent. At no point did he under-estimate it.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 29, 2014, 06:12:20 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
Respect the Yautja.
Dutch did respect his opponent. At no point did he under-estimate it.
Having the Predator winning this time, it will impose even more respect.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
Having the Predator winning this time, it will impose even more respect.
While I do like the idea of a Predator killing their prey at the end of the film, I doubt that would go over to well with audiences. Audiences want to see the human protagonist win, they want to see their guy win. It could work as an alternate ending, but as the theatrical release ending? Mmmm.. Not so sure.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 29, 2014, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
Having the Predator winning this time, it will impose even more respect.
While I do like the idea of a Predator killing their prey at the end of the film, I doubt that would go over to well with audiences. Audiences want to see the human protagonist win, they want to see their guy win. It could work as an alternate ending, but as the theatrical release ending? Mmmm.. Not so sure.
Why not?..what if the humans here in this case deserve to die? (like criminals)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 29, 2014, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
Having the Predator winning this time, it will impose even more respect.
While I do like the idea of a Predator killing their prey at the end of the film, I doubt that would go over to well with audiences. Audiences want to see the human protagonist win, they want to see their guy win. It could work as an alternate ending, but as the theatrical release ending? Mmmm.. Not so sure.
Well, don't do it in the end. Kill Dutch at the midpoint of the movie, and his partners to find the Predator or something. You can also have the Predator to survive in the end, maybe escaping on its ship or something, set for a second part in which they will be following his ship to find the Predators planet.
Or just have the main character to kill the predator in a dishonourable way in the end.
Quote from: The Saint on Jun 29, 2014, 06:54:25 PMWhy not?..what if the humans here in this case deserve to die? (like criminals)
Well, I'm no pro-making the Predator the hero of the movie. First of all, because I don't think it could be done. Not only the technical aspects to make him empathize with the audience (not even Andy Serkis could help with that), but the fact he doesn't speak, it would be boring.
I would like the Predator to became for most of the part a survivor for this movie, instead of a plain sports hunter. Grey tones, just trying to survive, he can still be ruthless, but not unnecessary cruel.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 06:55:11 PM
Well, I'm no pro-making the Predator the hero of the movie. First of all, because I don't think it could be done. Not only the technical aspects to make him empathize with the audience (not even Andy Serkis could help with that), but the fact he doesn't speak, it would be boring.
I would like the Predator to became for most of the part a survivor for this movie, instead of a plain sports hunter. Grey tones, just trying to survive, he can still be ruthless, but not unnecessary cruel.
It shouldn't make the predator the obvious hero. it can be so that the victims here aren't any soldiers, marines or cops but "bad" people(not like how predators did it!)...i think it gives room for the predator to be more ruthless so as to justify it .
Let's hope the special effects company they use gets it right with the gripes we've had with the recent Predator designs
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 29, 2014, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
Having the Predator winning this time, it will impose even more respect.
While I do like the idea of a Predator killing their prey at the end of the film, I doubt that would go over to well with audiences. Audiences want to see the human protagonist win, they want to see their guy win. It could work as an alternate ending, but as the theatrical release ending? Mmmm.. Not so sure.
Well, don't do it in the end. Kill Dutch at the midpoint of the movie, and his partners to find the Predator or something. You can also have the Predator to survive in the end, maybe escaping on its ship or something, set for a second part in which they will be following his ship to find the Predators planet.
Or just have the main character to kill the predator in a dishonourable way in the end.
Quote from: The Saint on Jun 29, 2014, 06:54:25 PMWhy not?..what if the humans here in this case deserve to die? (like criminals)
Well, I'm no pro-making the Predator the hero of the movie. First of all, because I don't think it could be done. Not only the technical aspects to make him empathize with the audience (not even Andy Serkis could help with that), but the fact he doesn't speak, it would be boring.
I would like the Predator to became for most of the part a survivor for this movie, instead of a plain sports hunter. Grey tones, just trying to survive, he can still be ruthless, but not unnecessary cruel.
Predator 4
IMDb: 0.7
Rotten Tomatoes: 4%
QuoteWhy not?..what if the humans here in this case deserve to die? (like criminals)
That movie already exists, and it's terrible.
If it was Arnie in the lead role I'd like him to be a kind of storm chaser character but looking for the predator. I'd prefer him in a smaller role though, like a commanding officer in a unit searching for preds
I would just have dutch talk to who ever is going after it. have him give a heart felt remorseful warning about the Predator on sme recorded video.
Hell, they could have all of the survivors talking on tapes from past interviews with government officials about their encounters with the Predators.
maybe even write them off as dead, part of the story could be that all the former people that dealt with these creatures are winding up dead and the bodies are as they decribed in their interviews.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 30, 2014, 09:58:19 PM
If it was Arnie in the lead role I'd like him to be a kind of storm chaser character but looking for the predator. I'd prefer him in a smaller role though, like a commanding officer in a unit searching for preds
I'd like to see him as a drug addict chasing the Predator. Living in his truck cooking bean burritos on his engine and harassing local Rastafarians... Not in the new movie but in real life.
Quote from: Hudson on Jun 30, 2014, 05:28:13 PM
That movie already exists, and it's terrible.
As someone who shares your sentiments towards PREDATORS, what exactly did you not like about the movie?
QuoteI'd like to see him as a drug addict chasing the Predator.
Played by a bald Paul McGann who calls the Predator a dragon.
Quote from: SM on Jul 01, 2014, 05:01:45 AM
QuoteI'd like to see him as a drug addict chasing the Predator.
Played by a bald Paul McGann who calls the Predator a dragon.
A British Arnie accent, we're on to something here... Well at least something better than everyones suggestion of what the next Predator movie should be like...
Quote from: SM on Jul 01, 2014, 05:01:45 AMPlayed by a bald Paul McGann who calls the Predator a dragon.
That feeds on minds?
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 01, 2014, 05:45:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 01, 2014, 05:01:45 AM
QuoteI'd like to see him as a drug addict chasing the Predator.
Played by a bald Paul McGann who calls the Predator a dragon.
A British Arnie accent, we're on to something here... Well at least something better than everyones suggestion of what the next Predator movie should be like...
Still yet to hear a good suggestion from you yet. What do you want for the next film?
Not to be directed by Shane Black and written by Fred Dekker...
I really don't want to see this following the main layout of the first predator movie, and Predators, it gets far too repetitious and mundane - whereby we have the macho protagonist leading a band of fighters
Quote from: Blades on Jul 01, 2014, 06:49:35 PM
I really don't want to see this following the main layout of the first predator movie, and Predators, it gets far too repetitious and mundane - whereby we have the macho protagonist leading a band of fighters
As long as the movie is not "the human and the Predator civilizations have to ally to fight a common and bigger threat" either, I agree.
Hope the movie is not "Dutch and Glover ally to command a mission to look for the Predator planet and destroy them", either.
Quote from: The Saint on Jun 29, 2014, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 29, 2014, 06:48:31 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
Having the Predator winning this time, it will impose even more respect.
While I do like the idea of a Predator killing their prey at the end of the film, I doubt that would go over to well with audiences. Audiences want to see the human protagonist win, they want to see their guy win. It could work as an alternate ending, but as the theatrical release ending? Mmmm.. Not so sure.
Why not?..what if the humans here in this case deserve to die? (like criminals)
What you'd have there is a storyline in which the Predator kills some guys. And for the big finale, the Predator kills another guy. I'm not sure that would work very well.
So you want Predator to win in the end? It won`t work, the critics would destroy it.
Quote from: Master on Jul 01, 2014, 08:40:27 PM
So you want Predator to win in the end? It won`t work, the critics would destroy it.
Nah, it depends on how they build that up. Blair's Witch won in the end, and critics loved that movie, for example.
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 01, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 01, 2014, 08:40:27 PM
So you want Predator to win in the end? It won`t work, the critics would destroy it.
Nah, it depends on how they build that up. Blair's Witch won in the end, and critics loved that movie, for example.
MAG AHHHHHHHHHH!
I can't take it anymore!!! That is the worst reasoning behind something that I couldn't even consider could be any worst! First of all, Predator isn't a slasher- influenced maybe- but not a slasher! Second of all where do you come off protecting the value of this hypothetical content as if it were "Moses' f**king DvD collection"?!?! Third of all quit saying "Respect Yautja" like some fraternity boys finished hazing the dorm room freshmen!
Gladiator Arena?! No!
Predator E.T?! No!
Crime fighting Predator?! NOO!
A very limited number of people can do anything with the Predator (And as matter of fact, Alien) universe!
These ideas are like tampering with a ship in a glass bottle, they require to be worked on delicately so that a mistake like Requiem doesn't happen again! I respect the fact that you like to give out your ideas but keep them in the appropriate thread!
GAH!
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 01, 2014, 09:54:39 PMFirst of all, Predator isn't a slasher- influenced maybe-
but not a slasher!
It is a slasher.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 01, 2014, 09:54:39 PMSecond of all where do you come off protecting the value of this hypothetical content as if it were "Moses' f**king DvD collection"?!?! Third of all quit saying "Respect Yautja" like some fraternity boys finished hazing the dorm room freshmen!
Gladiator Arena?! No!
Predator E.T?! No!
Crime fighting Predator?! NOO!
A very limited number of people can do anything with the Predator (And as matter of fact, Alien) universe!
These ideas are like tampering with a ship in a glass bottle, they require to be worked on delicately so that a mistake like Requiem doesn't happen again! I respect the fact that you like to give out your ideas but keep them in the appropriate thread!
GAH!
You are wrong.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 01, 2014, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 01, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 01, 2014, 08:40:27 PM
So you want Predator to win in the end? It won`t work, the critics would destroy it.
Nah, it depends on how they build that up. Blair's Witch won in the end, and critics loved that movie, for example.
MAG AHHHHHHHHHH!
I can't take it anymore!!! That is the worst reasoning behind something that I couldn't even consider could be any worst! First of all, Predator isn't a slasher- influenced maybe- but not a slasher! Second of all where do you come off protecting the value of this hypothetical content as if it were "Moses' f**king DvD collection"?!?! Third of all quit saying "Respect Yautja" like some fraternity boys finished hazing the dorm room freshmen!
Gladiator Arena?! No!
Predator E.T?! No!
Crime fighting Predator?! NOO!
A very limited number of people can do anything with the Predator (And as matter of fact, Alien) universe!
These ideas are like tampering with a ship in a glass bottle, they require to be worked on delicately so that a mistake like Requiem doesn't happen again! I respect the fact that you like to give out your ideas but keep them in the appropriate thread!
GAH!
This is an appropriate thread! :D Insted of complaining, tell us what`s your idea of Predator film. What would you want to see in Shane Black`s sequel? Or you`ll just keep moaning and trolling?
I honestly don't particularly care what they do with the Predator in the new film, I just want it to be filled with classic, oldschool Shane Black dialogue.
Last night I watched Predator and Predators back to back and I`m now more certain then ever that series must go out of the box (jungle) in this next instalment (like P2 did). Serously, no another jungle centered fable.
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
Last night I watched Predator and Predators back to back and I`m now more certain then ever that series must go out of the box (jungle) in this next instalment (like P2 did). Serously, no another jungle centered fable.
You've mentioned going to the desert a lot, and that is an idea which I fully am onboard for. Especially if it's a desert in the middle east, considering the amount of conflicts which are going on there. And you know on especially hot days where you see ripples of heat moving through which causes distortions in the air? Try finding an invisible Predator in THAT kind of heat.
I`ve been in middle east and north africa and believe me, the landscape there is so eerie Predator would blend without problem. Heat, conflict the area is perfect.
One of the most terrifying things about the original Predator was that Dutch's team was up against a creature that they couldn't see, but it could see them and at any given time it could've killed them. And when the creature's presence was known, all they could do was fire in all directions in hopes of hitting something but still had no idea where it was. And that was the jungle.
Now in the desert, I would think that fear of an unseen killer would be further amplified. An invisible Predator happens to look like heat ripples when in motion. So imagine the sweltering heat with those ripples everywhere, and combine that with that fear of an unseen killer stalking it's prey. Not only do you have no idea on where the invisible Hunter is, one could assume that the human prey might even be so on guard that when they see heat ripples, they might assume it's the killer and go off to attack it. In the desert, with all that heat haze and mirages.. Getting a bead on a Predator would be REALLY hard and frightful.
Even in P2 it was suggested as Harrigan first thought his mind was playing tricks on him due to a heat.
But what if the temperature of the desert was around 37°C ? Would a predator then be able to distinguish a human body from the desert surrounds? Would a predator then not be at a disadvantage, at least when using infrared vision?
I'm certain intergalactic head hunter that relays on infrared have specific setting to distinguish his prey from surrounding. It wasn't an issue in any earlier film, why would it be now?
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
I'm certain intergalactic head hunter that relays on infrared have specific setting to distinguish his prey from surrounding. It wasn't an issue in any earlier film, why would it be now?
Didn't AvP sort of showed us that? That they could adjust their thermal infrared settings from filtering adjusting?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 02, 2014, 06:56:51 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
I'm certain intergalactic head hunter that relays on infrared have specific setting to distinguish his prey from surrounding. It wasn't an issue in any earlier film, why would it be now?
Didn't AvP sort of showed us that? That they could adjust their thermal infrared settings from filtering adjusting?
And Predator 2.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 02, 2014, 06:56:51 PMDidn't AvP sort of showed us that? That they could adjust their thermal infrared settings from filtering adjusting?
Yeah, the idea is they have more than just infra-red vision.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 02, 2014, 06:59:52 PM
Yeah, the idea is they have more than just infra-red vision.
Well yeah, that much is obvious. All of the films showed us that but Master and I were trying to answer Passenger's question regarding the environment and the heat. Still though, overall, nothing to stop a Hunter from using the other visual modes such as Ultraviolet and Air Pressure mode.
All I'm saying humans in environment hotter then human body have external surface (skin) temperature similar to it's surrounding. If predator was, able to overcome such effect in very hot jungle then why not in the dessert?
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
I'm certain intergalactic head hunter that relays on infrared have specific setting to distinguish his prey from surrounding. It wasn't an issue in any earlier film, why would it be now?
But...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmimg.ugo.com%2F201105%2F1%2F9%2F0%2F192091%2Fpredator-oh-sh-faces-638-image_gallery_2212_arnold-schwarzenegger-predator.jpg&hash=594b1b5ce925692c8e50f54f2b8eec50e873f546)
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 07:07:20 PM
All I'm saying humans in environment hotter then human body have external surface (skin) temperature similar to it's surrounding. If predator was, able to overcome such effect in very hot jungle then why not in the dessert?
Jungles don't get as hot. It's mainly the humidity that makes it uncomfortable. There would be a good contrast between the cooler greenery and a warm human body. Not so much in a desert.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 02, 2014, 07:48:00 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
I'm certain intergalactic head hunter that relays on infrared have specific setting to distinguish his prey from surrounding. It wasn't an issue in any earlier film, why would it be now?
But...
http://mimg.ugo.com/201105/1/9/0/192091/predator-oh-sh-faces-638-image_gallery_2212_arnold-schwarzenegger-predator.jpg
Perhaps that's
why they had different vision modes in Predator 2? :laugh:
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 01, 2014, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 01, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 01, 2014, 08:40:27 PM
So you want Predator to win in the end? It won`t work, the critics would destroy it.
Nah, it depends on how they build that up. Blair's Witch won in the end, and critics loved that movie, for example.
MAG AHHHHHHHHHH!
I can't take it anymore!!! That is the worst reasoning behind something that I couldn't even consider could be any worst! First of all, Predator isn't a slasher- influenced maybe- but not a slasher! Second of all where do you come off protecting the value of this hypothetical content as if it were "Moses' f**king DvD collection"?!?! Third of all quit saying "Respect Yautja" like some fraternity boys finished hazing the dorm room freshmen!
Gladiator Arena?! No!
Predator E.T?! No!
Crime fighting Predator?! NOO!
A very limited number of people can do anything with the Predator (And as matter of fact, Alien) universe!
These ideas are like tampering with a ship in a glass bottle, they require to be worked on delicately so that a mistake like Requiem doesn't happen again! I respect the fact that you like to give out your ideas but keep them in the appropriate thread!
GAH!
This is an appropriate thread! :D Insted of complaining, tell us what`s your idea of Predator film. What would you want to see in Shane Black`s sequel? Or you`ll just keep moaning and trolling?
I honestly don't want Shane Black to have anything to do with it.
Iron Man 3 was the worst Marvel movie ever created (Personally speaking). To have Fred Dekker on board is also something that makes me cringe... I don't want mythology to be "mined", last time we had that it was AvP and look how that turned out... The Predator should return to the Jungle or something similar seeing as that is its setting a lot like how Space is Alien's setting...
Afghanistan or Iraq is an
okay setting but you can't just throw flat terrorist characters in a film in a
middle of no where niche and expect me as a casual viewer to feel that they made a really good movie.
I enjoyed Predator because it was simple, Iraq and Afghanistan is so complicated that the first thing that comes to mind when I hear their names is "
Politics." The only thing Predator and politics should have in common is the letter
P!
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
Last night I watched Predator and Predators back to back and I`m now more certain then ever that series must go out of the box (jungle) in this next instalment (like P2 did). Serously, no another jungle centered fable.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!
A JUNGLE CENTERED FABLE! I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW!
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 03, 2014, 06:47:43 AM
Afghanistan or Iraq is an okay setting but you can't just throw flat terrorist characters in a film in a middle of no where niche and expect me as a casual viewer to feel that they made a really good movie.
I enjoyed Predator because it was simple, Iraq and Afghanistan is so complicated that the first thing that comes to mind when I hear their names is "Politics." The only thing Predator and politics should have in common is the letter P!
The debate is so old and tired now that I doubt anyone really gives a shit in the context of a movie. If you have some likeable soldier characters and stick to the point, you won't have that issue at all. For that very reason, if they went there. Just blow the terrorists away just like Dutch's team did in Predator. Blow em away. They're cannon fodder to facilitate the purpose of showing us that our principle characters are really good at what they do. We don't need to even touch on the deeper elements of the war. All we're interested in is the scenic backdrop.
As I pointed out previously though. You'd want to stay away from the flat open deserts, because that basically nullifies the Predator's intrigue. Part of the strength in the first film is the semblance of claustrophobia in the thick bush. You could get lost, you couldn't see very far ahead. That gave the Predator a chance to ambush at close range. In an open desert I think you'd lose that very fast. So you'd have to stick to mountain terrain, or more populated village areas. It would be interesting to set it in Afghanistan near the cliff-faces and villages. That worked out quite well for the film "Lone Survivor"
Another issue with 21st Century military stuff is you have to cut them off. Military units, any worth their salt at elite operations anyway, have multiple means to communicate with their HQ. The isolation element is very important.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 02, 2014, 07:48:00 PM
But...
http://mimg.ugo.com/201105/1/9/0/192091/predator-oh-sh-faces-638-image_gallery_2212_arnold-schwarzenegger-predator.jpg
As excellent as the first movie is.. This is the one thing which it got wrong, and yet PREDATORS, a movie which I dislike actually corrected and I give credit for. Ironically enough, as much as I like the first movie.. the mud trick just makes me shake my head.
There is no way the mud trick should have worked in the long term battle, especially considering how it was crusting off Dutch. However in the case of the waterfall scene.. that can be explained easily since it wasn't the mud which was hiding Dutch's thermal signature but rather the fact that the water had lowered his body heat long enough to evade detection. And as someone mentioned.. the hiding of body heat is the reason why Predators have additional visual modes.
But in PREDATORS.. and I give the movie credit for correcting this.. Royce was covered in mud but his body heat was still penetrating through the mud coating. So he changed the environment to suit his needs. Probably one of the few things I liked about PREDATORS.. shockingly enough. Said few things ain't a lot though.
Even though Predators buys into the premise of the first film via dialogue? Sure.
As dumb as Arnie covering himself in wet mud is, it's such a classic I just can't bring myself to knock it :D
I agree the scenario was done well in Predators, too.
It's movie logic. Cool movie logic. Like Jesse the Body carrying the minigun. And it's something to quibble over?
Okay I have an idea
Base it loosely on this.... VERY LOOSELY!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20110120053903%2Favp%2Fimages%2Fa%2Fa9%2FPredator_Bad_Blood_issue_4.jpg&hash=813a7002989e91796e697dc97877d804ce9396ad)
This was my favorite comic series in all of the Predator and Alien sub - universe. If this can be done properly I would like to see it.
Dutch covering himself to hide isn't even necessarily that inaccurate. If you go by what McTiernan says in the commentary, what the Predator sees through his mask through the movie isn't even actual heat vision, but a modified one (they had to cover everything with ice water to make the actors stand out). What we see at the end is the unfiltered stuff. So when Dutch covers himself with mud, he's covering himself with something the mask has been programmed to filter out, and so disappears.
Boom, movie logic.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:09 AM
Dutch covering himself to hide isn't even necessarily that inaccurate. If you go by what McTiernan says in the commentary, what the Predator sees through his mask through the movie isn't even actual heat vision, but a modified one (they had to cover everything with ice water to make the actors stand out). What we see at the end is the unfiltered stuff. So when Dutch covers himself with mud, he's covering himself with something the mask has been programmed to filter out, and so disappears.
Boom, movie logic.
This is why we love you, SiL.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:09 AMDutch covering himself to hide isn't even necessarily that inaccurate.
How does he block the heat coming from his eyes?
Not to mention the mud would match the temperature of his body within a minute or so.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 08:39:31 AM
How does he block the heat coming from his eyes?
Not to mention the mud would match the temperature of his body within a minute or so.
... did ya actually read the post?
Quotewhat the Predator sees through his mask through the movie isn't even actual heat vision, but a modified one
The jungle has been filtered out. The mud gets filtered out as the mask thinks it's just part of the environment. If we were looking at what the infra-red cameras saw for the majority of the movie, according to McTiernan, it'd look like what we see at the end when the mask is taken off: an undulating mess of red and green.
Eyes are an issue, sure. Rest, eh.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 08:39:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:09 AMDutch covering himself to hide isn't even necessarily that inaccurate.
How does he block the heat coming from his eyes?
Not to mention the mud would match the temperature of his body within a minute or so.
I had to dig deep for this one, but i feel that it fits as a proper response to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlv7Bp-L2MM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlv7Bp-L2MM#ws)
YA JUST DON'T GET IT.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:42:15 AM... did ya actually read the post?
Yes I did. Not once did you address the fact the Predator will be able to see him clear as day once the mud has warmed to match Dutch's body temperature about 30 seconds after he applied it.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 08:48:45 AM
Yes I did. Not once did you address the fact the Predator will be able to see him clear as day once the mud has warmed to match Dutch's body temperature about 30 seconds after he applied it.
... yeah, I did, actually, cos I pointed out we're not looking at actual infra-red, but a vision mode that filters out the background to make the prey more visible. So when Dutch covers himself WITH the background, the mask filters him out like it does the trees, leaves, etc. It getting to his temperature is irrelevant, as the jungle is already AT his temperature.
Which I explained in no uncertain terms in the post you just replied to, and still don't seem to be getting :-\
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:51:17 AM... yeah, I did, actually, cos I pointed out we're not looking at actual infra-red, but a vision mode that filters out the background to make the prey more visible. So when Dutch covers himself WITH the background, the mask filters him out like it does the trees, leaves, etc. It getting to his temperature is irrelevant, as the jungle is already AT his temperature.
If Dutch was the same temperature as the jungle, he would be dead.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:51:17 AMWhich I explained in no uncertain terms in the post you just replied to, and still don't seem to be getting :-\
No you didn't. You basically said the Predator's infra-red vision isn't actually infra-red vision at all. Just paint by numbers.
No. Just no.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 03, 2014, 06:47:43 AM
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 01, 2014, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 01, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 01, 2014, 08:40:27 PM
So you want Predator to win in the end? It won`t work, the critics would destroy it.
Nah, it depends on how they build that up. Blair's Witch won in the end, and critics loved that movie, for example.
MAG AHHHHHHHHHH!
I can't take it anymore!!! That is the worst reasoning behind something that I couldn't even consider could be any worst! First of all, Predator isn't a slasher- influenced maybe- but not a slasher! Second of all where do you come off protecting the value of this hypothetical content as if it were "Moses' f**king DvD collection"?!?! Third of all quit saying "Respect Yautja" like some fraternity boys finished hazing the dorm room freshmen!
Gladiator Arena?! No!
Predator E.T?! No!
Crime fighting Predator?! NOO!
A very limited number of people can do anything with the Predator (And as matter of fact, Alien) universe!
These ideas are like tampering with a ship in a glass bottle, they require to be worked on delicately so that a mistake like Requiem doesn't happen again! I respect the fact that you like to give out your ideas but keep them in the appropriate thread!
GAH!
This is an appropriate thread! :D Insted of complaining, tell us what`s your idea of Predator film. What would you want to see in Shane Black`s sequel? Or you`ll just keep moaning and trolling?
I honestly don't want Shane Black to have anything to do with it.
Iron Man 3 was the worst Marvel movie ever created (Personally speaking). To have Fred Dekker on board is also something that makes me cringe... I don't want mythology to be "mined", last time we had that it was AvP and look how that turned out... The Predator should return to the Jungle or something similar seeing as that is its setting a lot like how Space is Alien's setting...
Afghanistan or Iraq is an okay setting but you can't just throw flat terrorist characters in a film in a middle of no where niche and expect me as a casual viewer to feel that they made a really good movie.
I enjoyed Predator because it was simple, Iraq and Afghanistan is so complicated that the first thing that comes to mind when I hear their names is "Politics." The only thing Predator and politics should have in common is the letter P!
Quote from: Master on Jul 02, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
Last night I watched Predator and Predators back to back and I`m now more certain then ever that series must go out of the box (jungle) in this next instalment (like P2 did). Serously, no another jungle centered fable.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!
A JUNGLE CENTERED FABLE! I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW!
Only if you put it in heavy political frames. The way I see it (want it to be made) there shouldn't be any current political theme slapped all over it, small hints at best. I want anty-predator team going after wounded predator, not Americans vs Talibans.
Seriously if you want to go back to the jungle, just watch first film. Nothing ever is going to top it, and if that's not enough try some Predators. Jungle,jungle, jungle. In new one, I want new.
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 08:55:15 AMOnly if you put it in heavy political frames. The way I see it (want it to be made) there shouldn't be any current political theme slapped all over it, small hints at best. I want anty-predator team going after wounded predator, not Americans vs Talibans.
It doesn't even have to be Iraq. The first one just made up a country and it works perfectly well. Do the same this time. Set it in Derkaderkastan or something (except with a better name, of course).
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:09 AM
Dutch covering himself to hide isn't even necessarily that inaccurate. If you go by what McTiernan says in the commentary, what the Predator sees through his mask through the movie isn't even actual heat vision, but a modified one (they had to cover everything with ice water to make the actors stand out). What we see at the end is the unfiltered stuff. So when Dutch covers himself with mud, he's covering himself with something the mask has been programmed to filter out, and so disappears.
Boom, movie logic.
This is why we love you, SiL.
If you love him now you should see the uncut commentary of AVP Galaxy's: SiL versus The Strause. The material is apex in general quality at best...
QuoteIn new one, I want new.
I can tell your local government is
very afraid of you...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 08:53:28 AM
If Dutch was the same temperature as the jungle, he would be dead.
Except not, because the jungle was f**king hot when they filmed, which is why they had to stand the actors next to a fire and splash ice water over the plants to get the actors to stand out. Dutch wasn't cold, the jungle was hot. What we see at the end was closer to how the infra-red cameras actually saw everything: an incomprehensible mess.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 03, 2014, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:09 AM
Dutch covering himself to hide isn't even necessarily that inaccurate. If you go by what McTiernan says in the commentary, what the Predator sees through his mask through the movie isn't even actual heat vision, but a modified one (they had to cover everything with ice water to make the actors stand out). What we see at the end is the unfiltered stuff. So when Dutch covers himself with mud, he's covering himself with something the mask has been programmed to filter out, and so disappears.
Boom, movie logic.
This is why we love you, SiL.
If you love him now you should see the uncut commentary of AVP Galaxy's: SiL versus The Strause. The material is apex in general quality at best...
QuoteIn new one, I want new.
I can tell your local government is very afraid of you...
I can tell you're a troll. Every time your arguments are proven invalid you start talking gibberish.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 09:03:42 AMExcept not, because the jungle was f**king hot when they filmed, which is why they had to stand the actors next to a fire and splash ice water over the plants to get the actors to stand out. Dutch wasn't cold, the jungle was hot. What we see at the end was closer to how the infra-red cameras actually saw everything: an incomprehensible mess.
The mask clearly filters and amplifies the infra-red spectrum to make it easier to discern, sure. But you're idea that it completely ignores mud just because the Predators programmed it to is, with all due respect, stupid. Did they come to Earth beforehand and grab some mud to sample? What if the mud came straight out of a fridge? What if Dutch built a house out of mud bricks to hide in?
I'm not even sure why you're so desperate to justify this obviously stupid plot point anyway. The movie is a dumb cartoon. It's full of completely ridiculous stuff. It's one of the reasons it's so amazing. But there's no justifying it.
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:08:38 AM
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 03, 2014, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:09 AM
Dutch covering himself to hide isn't even necessarily that inaccurate. If you go by what McTiernan says in the commentary, what the Predator sees through his mask through the movie isn't even actual heat vision, but a modified one (they had to cover everything with ice water to make the actors stand out). What we see at the end is the unfiltered stuff. So when Dutch covers himself with mud, he's covering himself with something the mask has been programmed to filter out, and so disappears.
Boom, movie logic.
This is why we love you, SiL.
If you love him now you should see the uncut commentary of AVP Galaxy's: SiL versus The Strause. The material is apex in general quality at best...
QuoteIn new one, I want new.
I can tell your local government is very afraid of you...
I can tell you're a troll. Every time your arguments are proven invalid you start talking gibberish.
Your existence is gibberish...
But there is an explanation. Predator see in infrared we can see it when it removes his mask. With mask on there are filters to help it hunt. Most probably they are designed to nullify the background temperature.
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:18:11 AMBut there is an explanation. Predator see in infrared we can see it when it removes his mask. With mask on there are filters to help it hunt. Most probably they are designed to nullify the background temperature.
Except within a minute the mud on Dutch's body would no longer be at the background temperature, it would be just as hot as he was to start with, and the Predator would be able to see him as clearly as before. That's exactly the point.
For infared you guys should consider reading this.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadgets/nightvision1.htm (http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadgets/nightvision1.htm)
As for mud: when it dries up it matches the body temperature of the organism it is applied on. As for a Predator being unable to detect this I believe whatever you may analyze will be inconclusive. If the fiction taps into the science behind it there is no way for us to ever know how exactly this works... Unless you have a manual. If anyone has a manual for a Predator's mask I'll give them a hundred dollars and a bag of Japanese Lays on Ebay!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:18:11 AMBut there is an explanation. Predator see in infrared we can see it when it removes his mask. With mask on there are filters to help it hunt. Most probably they are designed to nullify the background temperature.
Except within a minute the mud on Dutch's body would no longer be at the background temperature, it would be just as hot as he was to start with, and the Predator would be able to see him as clearly as before. That's exactly the point.
It depends what exact temperature filters nullify. Also near the waterfall Duch was compelling still.
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:41:10 AMIt depends what exact temperature filters nullify.
No it doesn't. His body heat would warm the mud to the exact same temperature as him.
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:41:10 AMAlso near the waterfall Duch was compelling still.
Near the end of the film he was running and swinging around like Tarzan, it still didn't seem to do anything to the mud.
Yeah you are right, but only near waterfall pred looks directly at Dutch and can't see him.
Ummm you can't actually prove that he didn't...
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 12:06:53 PMYeah you are right, but only near waterfall pred looks directly at Dutch and can't see him.
Lol the Predator climbs right over him when he's clinging to the tree later.
As an aside, if you look very carefully at the shot of the Predator scanning the riverbank when Dutch is first covered in mud, you can actually see Arnie lying there, just the same colour as the surroundings.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 12:43:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 12:06:53 PMYeah you are right, but only near waterfall pred looks directly at Dutch and can't see him.
Lol the Predator climbs right over him when he's clinging to the tree later.
As an aside, if you look very carefully at the shot of the Predator scanning the riverbank when Dutch is first covered in mud, you can actually see Arnie lying there, just the same colour as the surroundings.
Yep, his arm and the top of his head are very easily visible. So there's your on screen evidence that the mud does work, and no amount of real science can ever ever undo that. So nyah..!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 12:43:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 12:06:53 PMYeah you are right, but only near waterfall pred looks directly at Dutch and can't see him.
Lol the Predator climbs right over him when he's clinging to the tree later.
As an aside, if you look very carefully at the shot of the Predator scanning the riverbank when Dutch is first covered in mud, you can actually see Arnie lying there, just the same colour as the surroundings.
Oh yeah, forgot that one.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 03, 2014, 06:50:53 PMYep, his arm and the top of his head are very easily visible. So there's your on screen evidence that the mud does work, and no amount of real science can ever ever undo that. So nyah..!
Yes, we'll just ignore the fact his eyes should be glowing red hot in thermal vision.
I always wondered why they messed up consistency with the Preds' unmasked IR vision in Predator 2. I'm guessing it was probably due to either budget constraint, or a lack of attention to detail. :-\
It was fukced up partialy. It is very possible Predator would see like that in cold storage.
It's called ElmStreet5Director-itis.
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 07:33:39 PM
It was fukced up partialy. It is very possible Predator would see like that in cold storage.
I remember the film showing it when him and Harrigan were dueling in the ship, too.
Perhaps he was wearing some really advanced Pred contacts. :laugh:
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Jul 03, 2014, 07:23:01 PMI always wondered why they messed up consistency with the Preds' unmasked IR vision in Predator 2. I'm guessing it was probably due to either budget constraint, or a lack of attention to detail. :-\
The latter.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 07:04:03 PM
Yes, we'll just ignore the fact his eyes should be glowing red hot in thermal vision.
Does it really bother you that much. I mean...Really? :laugh:
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Jul 03, 2014, 07:23:01 PM
I always wondered why they messed up consistency with the Preds' unmasked IR vision in Predator 2. I'm guessing it was probably due to either budget constraint, or a lack of attention to detail. :-\
Considering it's a cold building, with dead meat everywhere, at night, and it was just doused in cold water, and had cryo-guns spraying all over the place, I can totally buy that the predator's natural vision would look like it's masked version.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 03, 2014, 08:30:56 PM
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Jul 03, 2014, 07:23:01 PM
I always wondered why they messed up consistency with the Preds' unmasked IR vision in Predator 2. I'm guessing it was probably due to either budget constraint, or a lack of attention to detail. :-\
Considering it's a cold building, with dead meat everywhere, at night, and it was just doused in cold water, and had cryo-guns spraying all over the place, I can totally buy that the predator's natural vision would look like it's masked version.
What about when they're in the ship? I'd have to go with HuDaFuK. It's most likely an oversight.
Maybe one of the Predator's left the air conditioning on, again...
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 03, 2014, 11:51:33 PM
Maybe one of the Predator's left the air conditioning on, again...
The electric bill is going to be murder. :o :laugh:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 09:11:17 AM
The mask clearly filters and amplifies the infra-red spectrum to make it easier to discern, sure. But you're idea that it completely ignores mud just because the Predators programmed it to is, with all due respect, stupid.
And yet, supported by the film!
QuoteDid they come to Earth beforehand and grab some mud to sample? What if the mud came straight out of a fridge?
Or much simpler, it's keying living things in, and everything else out. It doesn't need to sample mud, just people. And they've done that plenty.
QuoteWhat if Dutch built a house out of mud bricks to hide in?
Dutch could build a house out of anything opaque and hide from a Predator. He could stand behind a particularly broad tree and disappear.
QuoteI'm not even sure why you're so desperate to justify this obviously stupid plot point anyway.
I'm not "desperately" doing anything. Just musing. Why are you getting antsy that I'd try to explain what's seen in the film?
It's just a plot contrivance. Simple as.
It's like trying to explain why the Alien's blood doesn't melt through the harpoon cable Ripley shoots it with at the end of Alien. It doesn't make any sense, but it is that way because the script says so.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 04, 2014, 07:36:50 AM
It's just a plot contrivance. Simple as.
No.... It was a plot interval... That lead to yet another Weyland Effect..
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 04, 2014, 07:36:50 AM
It's just a plot contrivance. Simple as.
Cool. And?
QuoteIt's like trying to explain why the Alien's blood doesn't melt through the harpoon cable Ripley shoots it with at the end of Alien. It doesn't make any sense, but it is that way because the script says so.
Actually the script says the acid
does eat at the harpoon.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2014, 08:29:40 AMCool. And?
And it's not meant to be explained, because it just makes no sense.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2014, 08:29:40 AMActually the script says the acid does eat at the harpoon.
That's very nice. The film shows us it doesn't. It's hanging on the end of that thing for about a minute. A tiny splash of blood burned through two entire decks of the Nostromo in half that time.
Acid of adult Alien is not as potent as the one of facehugger. It was shown in Aliens.
Also Predator equipment doesn't seem to record heat signature other then filtered ones. Background heat signiture is nullified and all other that are not 100% marked as living creature.
Quote from: Master on Jul 04, 2014, 08:51:52 AM
Acid of adult Alien is not as potent as the one of facehugger. It was shown in Aliens.
I never thought of that. Yet I always wondered why a jizz sized amount could burn through the Nostromo yet a vomit sized amount didn't burn Hudson's arm right off. Or disintegrate Drake.
Today is "thank the Master" day.
(Disintegrate Drake. That;s a good name for a band)
Quote from: Master on Jul 04, 2014, 08:51:52 AMAcid of adult Alien is not as potent as the one of facehugger. It was shown in Aliens.
Lol no it isn't. Dead Aliens are seen to have burned through several floors of the colony. Drake and Hicks' armour don't fare too well either. Plus what about the escape in
Resurrection? That's through the floor in a matter of seconds.
Quote from: Master on Jul 04, 2014, 08:51:52 AMAlso Predator equipment doesn't seem to record heat signature other then filtered ones.
No, the filmmakers don't seem to realise a bit of mud doesn't make you invisible. Or rather, they didn't care, because the viewers don't either.
Except you guys, who seem determined to reach for lame explanations that don't exist in any logical sense.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 04, 2014, 08:58:43 AM
Quote from: Master on Jul 04, 2014, 08:51:52 AMAcid of adult Alien is not as potent as the one of facehugger. It was shown in Aliens.
Lol no it isn't. Dead Aliens are seen to have burned through several floors of the colony. Drake and Hicks' armour don't fare too well either. Plus what about the escape in Resurrection? That's through the floor in a matter of seconds.
Hmm -- but maybe they were totally exploded at close range (a la Hick's shotgun). Certainly in A:R, it was ALL the alien blood that melted through the floor.
But you're right. You only think of that shit afterwards or ten years later on a forum.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 04, 2014, 08:58:43 AM
Quote from: Master on Jul 04, 2014, 08:51:52 AMAcid of adult Alien is not as potent as the one of facehugger. It was shown in Aliens.
Lol no it isn't. Dead Aliens are seen to have burned through several floors of the colony. Drake and Hicks' armour don't fare too well either. Plus what about the escape in Resurrection? That's through the floor in a matter of seconds.
Quote from: Master on Jul 04, 2014, 08:51:52 AMAlso Predator equipment doesn't seem to record heat signature other then filtered ones.
No, the filmmakers don't seem to realise a bit of mud doesn't make you invisible. Or rather, they didn't care, because the viewers don't either.
Except you guys, who seem determined to reach for lame explanations that don't exist in any logical sense.
Of course it is. Whole alien have like what? 5 Liters of acid? It's reasonable such amount burns through several decs. Few drops of FH acid did exactly thesame.
QuoteThat's very nice. The film shows us it doesn't. It's hanging on the end of that thing for about a minute. A tiny splash of blood burned through two entire decks of the Nostromo in half that time.
No. Ripley is firing the engine 15 seconds after firing the harpoon. It's about a minute between cutting the hugger and Ripley saying "Looks like it's stopping."
QuoteAcid of adult Alien is not as potent as the one of facehugger. It was shown in Aliens.
The determining factors are volume of blood and what it's reacting to - metal or flesh. Nothing to do with whether it comes from a hugger or adult.
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2014, 09:58:51 AMNo. Ripley is firing the engine 15 seconds after firing the harpoon. It's about a minute between cutting the hugger and Ripley saying "Looks like it's stopping."
Either way, surely it would've dissolved that flimsy cable in that time. When the Facehugger's blood hit the floor it was through the first deck in no time.
Quote
Either way, surely it would've dissolved that flimsy cable in that time.
Guess not. We don't know what the harpoon is made out of or whether any actually got on the cable. It's more likely the engine took care of the cable than any acid.
It's just like how, in Resurrection, Ripley 8's acidic blood doesn't affect any of the surgical implements they use to cut her open and take out the Chestburster, even though it can melt flooring and even completely burn through a spaceship window.
Because of course the science team wouldn't have known she had acidic blood beforehand or taken precautions against it.
Like building floors/windows/Alien cages that weren't affected by it?
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2014, 09:58:51 AM
QuoteThat's very nice. The film shows us it doesn't. It's hanging on the end of that thing for about a minute. A tiny splash of blood burned through two entire decks of the Nostromo in half that time.
No. Ripley is firing the engine 15 seconds after firing the harpoon. It's about a minute between cutting the hugger and Ripley saying "Looks like it's stopping."
QuoteAcid of adult Alien is not as potent as the one of facehugger. It was shown in Aliens.
The determining factors are volume of blood and what it's reacting to - metal or flesh. Nothing to do with whether it comes from a hugger or adult.
Don't say that. The more potent FH blood is much more fun. You know, they're smaller, more vulnerable, they have a stronger defense mechanism.... I like it more than your science!
You guys.... It's a movie.... Come on...
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 04, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
You guys.... It's a movie.... Come on...
haaahaaaa :laugh: thats awesome
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 04, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
You guys.... It's a movie.... Come on...
My mommy always said there were no monsters - no real ones - but there are.
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2014, 10:10:43 AM
Because of course the science team wouldn't have known she had acidic blood beforehand or taken precautions against it.
Sure didnt stop them from breeding a lot of aliens and placing them in definitelynotacidproof cages. :P
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 04, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
You guys.... It's a movie.... Come on...
Agreed. Let's face it, not all of the continuity issues are justifiable.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 04, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
You guys.... It's a movie.... Come on...
Yeah, what are we? A bunch of
nerds?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 04, 2014, 10:12:24 AM
Like building floors/windows/Alien cages that weren't affected by it?
Which floors and windows? As for the cages - it's back to volume. No amount of foresight is going to withstand that much acid.
QuoteSure didnt stop them from breeding a lot of aliens and placing them in definitelynotacidproof cages.
A few millilitres of diluted acid blood is apparently comparable to several litres of non diluted blood.
Critical thinking seems to be dying art...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 04, 2014, 08:33:47 AM
And it's not meant to be explained, because it just makes no sense.
Yes, and? When has that ever stopped a fan from trying to explain it? Why does harmlessly musing about explanations seem to
offend you this much? :P
QuoteThat's very nice. The film shows us it doesn't.
Yeah, but you said it didn't burn
because of the script -- script says otherwise.
The cages were acid proof.
Just not molecular acid proof.
:)
It call bad blood. comic book from darkhorse
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Critical thinking seems to be dying art...
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Quote from: SM on Jul 05, 2014, 01:48:08 AM
Critical thinking seems to be dying art...
I guess humanity will be ok as long as we have you around to keep waving the flag of critical thinking.
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Quote from: SM on Jul 05, 2014, 01:48:08 AM
Critical thinking seems to be dying art...
I guess humanity will be ok as long as we have you around to keep waving the flag of critical thinking.
http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index.php?src=http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k639/jakeschoon/82754347.gif&size=400x1000
You're welcome.
Then again, i've been wrong before.
Predators already got criticized for copying too much from the first film. So Shane better not go with a lone hunter stalking a group.
Isn't that their thing though?
The fact of the matter is, any way you cut it, there is going to be fans, critics, and casual movie-goers who are going to criticize or downright hate the film for being either too different or too similar to the original. That's just how it is.
Likewise, there will be those the enjoy or love it for being similar or different.
So it's a sequel and not a reboot?
Praise f**kin' jesus.
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Jul 07, 2014, 04:09:53 AMThe fact of the matter is, any way you cut it, there is going to be fans, critics, and casual movie-goers who are going to criticize or downright hate the film for being either too different or too similar to the original. That's just how it is.
Likewise, there will be those the enjoy or love it for being similar or different.
Well put. Personally, I'm not especially bothered how similar to or different from the previous films it is, so long as it's an enjoyable movie in its own right. The fact
Predators was so close to the first film in terms of execution isn't what let it down for me (although some of the references were far too heavy-handed).
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 04, 2014, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 04, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
You guys.... It's a movie.... Come on...
Yeah, what are we? A bunch of nerds?
Another pragmatism vs theory thread?
I have to admit, I was quite ecstatic upon learning the news. It has been quite a while, and it'll be good to see the Predator doing what it does best on the big screen. Shane Black is quite talented and in his hands I am quite optimistic of the direction this next feature will take. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VwVAuDLOA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VwVAuDLOA#ws)
I just watched this interview from 2013, and Shane is asked if he would direkt another Predator movie (i wonder if Fox watched this).
What i think is interesting, is that he is saying that it has to be a Predator story that needs to be told... well, obviously he found an answer to that, because he also says that Predator doesn't need another film (which is right), so i wonder what made him think otherwise.
I`d love it to be spiritual continuation of P2. Basicly what Harrigan said to Garber at the end.
Quote from: Master on Jul 15, 2014, 08:19:42 PM
I`d love it to be spiritual continuation of P2. Basicly what Harrigan said to Garber at the end.
It's been awhile.... what'd he say again?
Quote from: Shadow Lurker on Jul 16, 2014, 04:24:47 PM
It's been awhile.... what'd he say again?
"Don't worry asshole, you'll get another chance."
I hope there is a clan battle and there would be bad bloods
any idea as to a release date? i hope in the next 2 years.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 15, 2014, 05:30:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VwVAuDLOA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-VwVAuDLOA#ws)
I just watched this interview from 2013, and Shane is asked if he would direkt another Predator movie (i wonder if Fox watched this).
What i think is interesting, is that he is saying that it has to be a Predator story that needs to be told... well, obviously he found an answer to that, because he also says that Predator doesn't need another film (which is right), so i wonder what made him think otherwise.
Holy crap his voice is way deeper now.....
Quote from: Master on Jul 15, 2014, 08:19:42 PM
I`d love it to be spiritual continuation of P2. Basicly what Harrigan said to Garber at the end.
Totally agree, I'd love it if they would actually depict a modern incarnation of that former keyes/ now Garber team.
is it a good sign that this movie feels unrushed and has no release date. ? i think it means it's getting proper treatment and scheduling to insure a quality motion picture . ? im excited for all the production details we will learn eventually ..
eggo waffles with butter and maple syrup . im hungry.
Quote from: worldpeace on Aug 17, 2014, 11:14:16 AM
is it a good sign that this movie feels unrushed and has no release date. ? i think it means it's getting proper treatment and scheduling to insure a quality motion picture . ? im excited for all the production details we will learn eventually ..
eggo waffles with butter and maple syrup . im hungry.
Just wait for them to go down the Prometheus route and realize they have something that transcends Predator. Then they release some story that's peripheral to the franchise, but still somehow linked to it.
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Jul 07, 2014, 04:09:53 AM
The fact of the matter is, any way you cut it, there is going to be fans, critics, and casual movie-goers who are going to criticize or downright hate the film for being either too different or too similar to the original. That's just how it is.
Likewise, there will be those the enjoy or love it for being similar or different.
It's fine to copy something that's proven to work well, but when the only good ideas in a film were directly taken from the original and not even done as well then the movie simply sucks.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Aug 19, 2014, 07:47:40 AM
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Jul 07, 2014, 04:09:53 AM
The fact of the matter is, any way you cut it, there is going to be fans, critics, and casual movie-goers who are going to criticize or downright hate the film for being either too different or too similar to the original. That's just how it is.
Likewise, there will be those the enjoy or love it for being similar or different.
It's fine to copy something that's proven to work well, but when the only good ideas in a film were directly taken from the original and not even done as well then the movie simply sucks.
Agreed.
I have confidence Mr. Black will make a great entry in the series.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 17, 2014, 05:54:07 PM
Quote from: worldpeace on Aug 17, 2014, 11:14:16 AM
is it a good sign that this movie feels unrushed and has no release date. ? i think it means it's getting proper treatment and scheduling to insure a quality motion picture . ? im excited for all the production details we will learn eventually ..
eggo waffles with butter and maple syrup . im hungry.
Just wait for them to go down the Prometheus route and realize they have something that transcends Predator. Then they release some story that's peripheral to the franchise, but still somehow linked to it.
Nah I have no fear of that happening with the Predator franchise. Shane Black is a very straightforward dude. Ridley Scott always was... lets say... different and difficult to comprehend at times... a black box... besides Prometheus really is like a giant Masturbation session of Sir Scott, because he CAN. Just look at the ludicrous budget he wanted to be granted at first... He didn't care about economics or expectations, he just wanted to do it and he's in a position where he can.
Shane Black is in no ways in the same league and has got far more studio-expectations to fulfill. He's always been the guy "doing the job" and with Predator it will be no different.
Some minor news. Adrien Brody was asked about the new Predator movie though he didn't really say whether he'd want to be involved or not.
QuoteShane Black is directing a new Predator film. Would you be tempted to return to that world after starring in the 2010 movie?
I loved playing Royce. That [original] film had a big place in my heart as a teenager. I campaigned for that role. When I first signed on, there was a lot of skepticism. Then, when I went to Comic-Con, there was such love from the greatest, most hard-core fans, who thanked me for lending credibility to it and for having a new take on things. That was something I was very grateful for.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/adrien-brody-houdini-predator-return-728326 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/adrien-brody-houdini-predator-return-728326)
It wouldn't surprise me if Shane doesn't continue the storyline where PREDATORS left off. I mean it's a common thing for actors not to return in the Predator films, including the AvP films when there was rumor that Sanaa Lathan was supposed to return for a sequel but she didn't as we all know. The Predator movies really don't have a linear continuity.
I will be surprised if Shane does continue the storyline where PREDATORS left off and he does cast Adrian Brody and Alice Braga. Of course, I would much prefer if Shane doesn't continue where PREDATORS left off.. I'd rather he do his own thing than follow something which someone else established. Honestly, I hope this upcoming movie is a stand-alone.
if royce makes it to earth at the start it might be interesting even just as a cameo . all crazy and paranoid . im hoping shane has been plotting the story little by little over the last couple decades. well thought out and clever. original and badass
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 30, 2014, 06:47:39 PMI mean it's a common thing for actors not to return in the Predator films, including the AvP films when there was rumor that Sanaa Lathan was supposed to return for a sequel but she didn't as we all know. The Predator movies really don't have a linear continuity.
You're obviously forgetting Ana's pivotal role in
Predator 2 ;D
Adrien Brody was sensational in Predators, but I don't think he should be in this new movie unless it's to be a direct sequel to Predators.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2014, 07:35:32 AM
You're obviously forgetting Ana's pivotal role in Predator 2 ;D
I didn't forget, I just didn't bring it up because when you think about it.. aside from the small cameo of Ana in the background and the off-handed mention of Dutch, Predator 2 can stand alone apart from the first movie. Supposedly, there was a filmed interrogation scene but it was left out on the cutting room floor, had that been included, continuity strings would've been thicker and tighter.
QuoteI mean it's a common thing for actors not to return in the Predator films, including the AvP films when there was rumor that Sanaa Lathan was supposed to return for a sequel but she didn't as we all know.
It was more than a rumour. She signed on to at least two films.
Quote from: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 11:13:27 PM
She signed on to at least two films.
So there was weight to those discussions! That's a shame that now we will never get a sequel to the AvP films. I would've liked to seen Alexa's fate after the whole Antarctica incident. If anything.. they should've went with that instead of Requiem. How they would've been able to do that, I'm not sure.
Might be a good element in a potential third AvP but I don't think that will ever happen.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 02, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
Might be a good element in a potential third AvP but I don't think that will ever happen.
For a moment there, I read that you don't think a third AvP will happen!
No, I don't think Saana will be back (unlike Arnie in the new Preadator), but I strongly believe that there will be a third AvP. As far as I know, don't the new comics attempt to tie up a new canon with the movie-verse. There was a massive press hard on when the standees for "the new Predator film" were seen at comic-con (but it was Predator 3D)... I'm pretty sure that the franchise has legs in terms of profit, even if the entries to date haven't satisfied some elements of the fan community.
Interesting times, though - I REALLY hope that Shane's movie doesn't get leaked a la "Expendables III" and the people actually go and watch it.
Quote from: Russ on Sep 02, 2014, 08:06:40 AM
For a moment there, I read that you don't think a third AvP will happen!
You most certainly read right. I don't think an AvP3 will happen, at least an AvP3 which will more or less line up with AvP and AvP-R. More than likely, a reboot of the AvP franchise could happen but I wouldn't hold my breath. We've still got the Prometheus trilogy to happen, and Shane Black's upcoming Predator movie. And if you're REALLY hopeful.. and I mean REALLY hopeful.. possibly Alien V, which Weaver is pushing for. So we maybe looking at.. 10 or more years before an AvP3 or reboot happens.
Still, I would like an AvP3 which maintains continuity from the first two AvP movies to happen but right now, I'm being realistic to the point of pessimism. Chances for it are quite nil.
Quote from: Russ on Sep 02, 2014, 08:06:40 AM
As far as I know, don't the new comics attempt to tie up a new canon with the movie-verse.
That one is a tricky one to answer because I've pointed out in a thread that they are only considering Predator, Predator 2, Predators, Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Resurrection as canon. However Sebela did say that they aren't using the AvP movies as canon, that's different than saying "The AvP movies are non-canon".
So really these new comics are forming their own mythology rather than following up with anything that came before. Take that as you will of course.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 02, 2014, 08:14:13 AM
Still, I would like an AvP3 which maintains continuity from the first two AvP movies to happen but right now, I'm being realistic to the point of pessimism. Chances for it are quite nil.
Yes, so would I, but I agree - I can't see that happening either. Though, it's a shame, I really did like the Yutani teaser at the end of AvP:R (given Avp focused on the Weyland part). I relaised that I've not seen :R in the longest time... and I read on here that the Blu-Ray is brilliant in terms of lighting things up... I'll have to nip to HMV when I'm feeling extravagant (but to be fair, I'm lining up all of the "Behind Enemy Lines" movies to watch... and I have a novel to finish which looks like it'll be late. *lol*
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 02, 2014, 08:14:13 AM
That one is a tricky one to answer because I've pointed out in a thread that they are only considering Predator, Predator 2, Predators, Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Resurrection as canon. However Sebela did say that they aren't using the AvP movies as canon, that's different than saying "The AvP movies are non-canon".
So really these new comics are forming their own mythology rather than following up with anything that came before. Take that as you will of course.
I wish they weren't using Resurrection - I just think it cheapened everything that the Aliens saga was about. I really must check them out, though.
Something I've been meaning to do is start reading the novels related to the series, but many aren't on kindle... (I've been converted... the local charity shops throw petals at my feet when I turn up these days, I've off-loaded zillions of paperbacks).
Quote from: Russ on Sep 02, 2014, 09:32:32 AM
I wish they weren't using Resurrection - I just think it cheapened everything that the Aliens saga was about. I really must check them out, though.
Care to explain why?
I hope Shane Black work with the Stan Winston Studios and they design the Predators. Further it would be cool if some monsters like the skulls on the trophy wall in part 2 are in in this film.
Maybe Fox gives this film a big budget. They can print on the posters "Predator 4 from the guy that make Iron Man 3 and write Lethal Weapon".
Quote from: Master on Sep 02, 2014, 10:57:04 AM
Care to explain why?
Sure. I sat in the cinema utterly gobsmacked at the "shitepile" that was AL III EN. It was so unlike Aliens, they killed off Newt and Hicks... all that stuff. Later - when I got over myself, I realised that (especially the Assembly Cut) that it was a good film (not in the league of the first two, but still) -- a good way to end the Ripley arc and all that.
Resurrection - it just seemed to me like a pointless entry. Its set 200 years later. They explain away things with "a big deletion." Ripley's back, but its not Ripley, its a hybrid clone. This was the really pointless bit - to get the movie made, they needed Sigourney Weaver - but she was already dead, so they ... you know what, I can't go on, you know the story as well as I do (probably better, its my least watched one of the series).
I think the worst thing about the movie (for me - all this is my opinion) is that its clearly a black comedy. Tonally, that's out of step with the whole saga. You could say that Aliens was totally different to Alien - and it was... but it still felt part of the same universe. For me, Resurrection just felt out of step. If the Aliens Saga were a TV series, Resurrection would be the musical episode.
I think the film looked beautiful though - the advances in special effects were on show, I thought the performances of Winona Ryder and Michael Wincott (SP? Doing this on the fly) were outstanding. The underwater xenos were cool too.
But that was it - the whole thing seemed a bit of mess, I didn't like that they made it a "French style movie" (look, I know Weaver loves all that stuff and I imagine that she was a big influence on getting the French team in), but yeah --- tonally out of step. And Whedon's "smart dialogue" might work for Buffy and glossy Superheroes but hearing Ripley's "Who do I have to f**k..." line made my stomach turn. And as has been pointed out, the Wal-Mart line was deleted - but its a great example of a "Wheedonism", I suppose.
I guess this was before we had the concept of rebooting franchises, but as I say - a French black comedy was something that I didn't feel fitted with the saga as a whole and if we had our time over again, I would have preferred a reboot or something set in the same universe that didn't shoehorn Ellen Ripley into it (though of course, we know she was only in it to get the finance -- and as the one producer of AL III EN said "You could have someone pissing against a wall for 90 minutes and call it Aliens and still make 30 million).
Anyroad - those are some of the reasons why. :-)
I still think the fourth film would've been far more interesting with a Newt clone in the lead. At least it would've felt like they were trying something new.
why are people discussing alien in the shane black predator thread?
when will we get a status update on the new predator movie . ????? ??? :-\ :-[
Quote from: worldpeace on Sep 03, 2014, 09:25:00 AM
when will we get a status update on the new predator movie . ????? ??? :-\ :-[
Don't expect anything anytime soon. Shane Black will be doing 2 more movies bevore Predator, Nice Guys (Coming in 2016) and The Destroyer (no release date, but already signed to direct).
So either we have to wait for a loooong time, or he won't direct at all, in a recent interview he said he has an
option to direct, so nothing is set in stone. Right now he and Fred Dekker only have to deliver the script and fox can take it to someone else.
Quote from: worldpeace on Jul 21, 2014, 09:31:28 AM
any idea as to a release date? i hope in the next 2 years.
2016 at the earliest. They could do 2017 for the 30th anniversary.
that sucks . i thought he was directing . my enthusiasm is decreasing .
i think the director of elysium could work well with the predator concept. maybe a younger director with visual sci fi and action skills. i don't know what's best for the movie . i just hope whatever happens is for the best.
After his experiences with Halo Blomkamp has pretty much distanced himself from any preexisting franchises (which is great in my book; I'd rather see him keep making original films). I don't really think his style would be all that fitting for Predator, anyways.
Im sure he would have his reasons. I just think he handles sci-fi and alien visual stuff well. And could make a pretty good looking predator if he wanted . I don't read up on these guys so i don't know about what he did with HALO all i know is his style. And i think his ideas are great but he could use more help with his scripts. Elysium had a lot of silly shit in it. but looked fantastic.
They need someone who can handle all the aspects of a predator film. predator needs to have layers and those layers need to be handled properly.
Can anyone name some directors who can make a great predator film and would be invested in it and was a real fan of the predator ?
Quote from: worldpeace on Sep 06, 2014, 07:57:41 PM
I don't read up on these guys so i don't know about what he did with HALO all i know is his style.
He got the gig in the first place due to his work on the Halo: Landfall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyOAdrxlPVs#ws) web episodes, but the feature length Halo project basically crumbled during pre-production. After all the work that he (and producer Peter Jackson) had put into it, it became obvious to all parties involved that the film was never going to see the light of day. Jackson thought it would be a shame if Blomkamp didn't get to make something out of the ashes of this creative process, so he funded another idea of Blomkamp's:
District 9. After the mess that surrounded the making of Halo, Blomkamp kind of veered away from established properties and has worked solely on his own stories.
well im confused now about what will happen with this movie. i want details on the basic plot baddly.
Quote from: worldpeace on Sep 08, 2014, 08:41:44 AM
well im confused now about what will happen with this movie. i want details on the basic plot baddly.
Get ready to be in for a long wait then.
in my head you sounded like the fat lady in total recall when just before her head explodes she says "get ready for a surprise" KAHBLAMOH :-\ :laugh: :o . ive excepted the fact i will be an impotent old man when i will see a good avp movie. i can wait a few years for this predator movie .
Excellent! Then perhaps this movie won't be boring or awful, especially considering it apparently will have no ties to Predators. I am remaining optimistic here!
Blomkamp for Aliens.
Ohhh - I'd be leery of that having seen Elysium, Khim. After D:9, yes, but I'm not sure that big budget (well, HUGE) budget is his forte.
I feel a little unfair saying that - but I didn't like Elysium at all - but its perhaps a little harsh to discount him on the strength (or weakness) of that one when D:9 was so great.
Let's say he'd not be my first choice.
I'll shut up before worldpeace bollocks me for talking about Aliens on a Predator thread.
I finally saw Elysium recently, and I really liked it. I think it got slagged off a lot more than it deserved just because it wasn't as good as District 9. Taken by itself, it was an entertaining film.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 27, 2014, 10:17:37 AM
I finally saw Elysium recently, and I really liked it. I think it got slagged off a lot more than it deserved just because it wasn't as good as District 9. Taken by itself, it was an entertaining film.
You could see his love for Aliens in Elysium. That realistic looking "Dropship" and the way it crashes. The Syd Mead designs, the guns and his love of all things military.
There were a few good bit's in the film particularly the heist scene which was just brilliant.
Elysium was a pretty weak story with an absolutely fantastic visual sense and a maniac of a villain. I really like it (and love its style!) probably because I'm such a big Blomkamp fan, but it definitely isn't as good as District 9.
Agreed with TEP about his love for Aliens definitely shining through in Elysium's designs.
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I am beyond excited for Chappie (crossing fingers for a trailer to get released soon!). That all being said, I don't think I really want to see Blomkamp make an Alien film. I'd rather see him stick to original concepts and ideas while pulling inspiration from his favorite films.
I didn't like Elysium the first time, but like Avatar by JC, thought it was much better on a rewatch.
Rampant expectations.
Still think he's the closest visually to James Cameron as well as one of the best SciFi directors at bringing you in a particular world.
Yeah, Blomkamp is fantastic when it comes to worldbuilding. I absolutely love his visual style, and the way that he uses it to tell his stories. In a lot of ways, that even helps to make up for some of the weaker elements of Elysium's script.
You ever seen any of Blomkamp's short films? Even those have that same really great style that marks both of his features.
shakes fists furiously at "russ"
honestly, i don't care, talk about alien in the shane black thread. it is fine .
it would be nice if someone asked the writer of the predator sequel or shane black how far along the script is.
Quote from: Russ on Oct 27, 2014, 09:47:37 AM
Ohhh - I'd be leery of that having seen Elysium, Khim. After D:9, yes, but I'm not sure that big budget (well, HUGE) budget is his forte.
I feel a little unfair saying that - but I didn't like Elysium at all - but its perhaps a little harsh to discount him on the strength (or weakness) of that one when D:9 was so great.
Let's say he'd not be my first choice.
I'll shut up before worldpeace bollocks me for talking about Aliens on a Predator thread.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 29, 2014, 02:49:59 AMYou ever seen any of Blomkamp's short films? Even those have that same really great style that marks both of his features.
I've seen
Alive in Joburg (the one that developed into
D9) and that was pretty good. Was fun seeing Sharlto Copely as one of the MNU mercs instead of the guy they're all after.
Shane Black talks Predator, teases a female Predator?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyFrcrfq9lM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyFrcrfq9lM#ws)
"If it bleeds, it's that time of the month, so just stay clear" that will be my new quote now
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 29, 2014, 07:17:00 PM
Shane Black talks Predator, teases a female Predator?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyFrcrfq9lM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyFrcrfq9lM#ws)
So it sounds like shane is doing this for people who really enjoy the predator and wanna have minds blown
And he said it will be coming out to theaters soon. it must be running along smoothly . He seems like a nice person who gives a shit.
unlike a few of my ex girlfriends
Well, I just hope he doesn't go with some of the existing female pred concepts. *shudders*
maybe they have a old stan winston design no one has seen. if legend studio is hired i trust it will look great.
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Oct 29, 2014, 09:19:08 PM
Well, I just hope he doesn't go with some of the existing female pred concepts. *shudders*
I trust the franchise in Black's hands more than I did Rodriguez.
Just a hunch but my feel detector says that he wants to sequel Predator and reboot AvP........
Hunch. No basis in facts.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 29, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
I trust the franchise in Black's hands more than I did Rodriguez.
Just a hunch but my feel detector says that he wants to sequel Predator and reboot AvP........
Hunch. No basis in facts.
OMG!! Shane Black rebooting AVP
CONFIRMED!!!1!1ONE!!1:D ;)
The feel detector is either going to be right.
Or wrong.
50/50.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 29, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
I trust the franchise in Black's hands more than I did Rodriguez.
Ditto but I'm not so sure about Fred Dekker handling the script.. Don't get me wrong, I love Fred Dekker's movies like Night of the Creeps, and Monster Squad but Robocop 3 is the black eye when I think Dekker. Still.. I choose Black over Rodriguez any day.
I just hope Fred Dekker can score a good one here with the script.
black is an action movie screenwriter himself so I'm sure he will have the f**k you guy ability to rewrite if he wants.
All I ask is no Super Predators, no Preserve Planets, no Predator Kings, no Predator Royalty. Rodriguez just.. really left me with a bad memory. I'm wondering.. will Shane's sequel be a sequel to the original only, or will it be a thing of it's own like the others?
probably it's own thing
he doesn't seem like a guy to boot other people's work because he doesn't like it, but he also probably won't acknowledge the other films either
Looking forward to this much more than Prometheus 2. :-\
your movie taste are mediocre, but in this case I agree with you.
:-*
Shane Black had some golden years in the late 80s/early 90s and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was quite enjoyable. Iron Man 3 was rubbish though, a film he served as screenwriter and director on... :-\
that's cause he was catering to tweenagers.
lol rubbish
Quote from: Eva on Oct 30, 2014, 12:35:17 AM
Shane Black had some golden years in the late 80s/early 90s and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was quite enjoyable. Iron Man 3 was rubbish though, a film he served as screenwriter and director on... :-\
Well yeah, it's Iron Man. The concept is dumb from the get-go ;D
I thought it was alright until the fire breathing guys to be honest.
Never saw Iron Man 3 and not really am invested in Marvel as I am with Predator.. What was so good or bad about Iron Man 3 anyway?
random replacement of cool seeming badguy with generic firebreathing baddies.
Quote from: Cvalda on Oct 30, 2014, 12:40:21 AM
Quote from: Eva on Oct 30, 2014, 12:35:17 AM
Shane Black had some golden years in the late 80s/early 90s and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was quite enjoyable. Iron Man 3 was rubbish though, a film he served as screenwriter and director on... :-\
Well yeah, it's Iron Man. The concept is dumb from the get-go ;D
Well, I liked the first one (if you can disregard the dreadful CGI in the final showdown).
The third one started out fine, but fell completely apart to me when the Mandarin twist was revealed. It didn't help that Tony teams up with a bullied little kid midway and saves the day in the end with the help from a gazillion Iron Man suits. Just... ugh.... :D
Could careless about Prometheus 2.
You mean you couldn't care less.
Quote from: First Blood on Oct 30, 2014, 01:06:14 AM
Could careless about Prometheus 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7imqO-OBVk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7imqO-OBVk#)
I find it interesting that Shane seems to have a similar view of the audience's view of the franchise, especially when he says:
" I want a new Predator movie and not have people go 'Oh, it's one of those' and it's like 'WOW! They really did it up! They really did it right this time!' "
I wonder what Shane's thoughts on the spin-offs and sequels are.. Especially Predator 2 and PREDATORS. If his statement is a showing of his thought process, maybe he'll show Rodriguez how to REALLY do a Predator movie. Heh! :)
i keep going back to realising that he ways GEEZ YOU GOTTA BIG PUSSY its cuz uh the eco hawkins
he was in f**king predator and is using his iron man 3 muscle to make a predator movie .
we should be greatful he is even interested in making this movie happen . it's exciting .
even watching dutch getting owned by anytimes mom decades later.
anything is better then nothing . im not saying i wanna see anytimes mom.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 29, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
Just a hunch but my feel detector says that he wants to sequel Predator and reboot AvP........
That's what I'd prefer to anything else at the minute. Needs to happen.
I hope so too.
I keep thinking that the female predator is a bad idea - I don't know how audiences will react to heavily armed men shooting at a female ... creature. Even in Aliens, it was girl on girl action with Ripley vs The Queen and let's be honest, the Alien really is an "alien monster" as opposed to the Yatuja (sp) humanoid, civilisation building technologically superior ET. Would mainstream audiences "get it" do you think.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 29, 2014, 07:17:00 PM
Shane Black talks Predator, teases a female Predator?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyFrcrfq9lM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyFrcrfq9lM#ws)
The best news is that you, Johnny Handsome, have returned.
Bring on the female Predator.
I mean ... why not? Maybe in their culture they are the bigger, meaner alphas. Aliens did it right with "The Queen" so time to see what a matriarch predator has to offer.
Oh ... and expect female humanoid female characteristics ... like hour glass figure and breasts. Otherwise ... it will just come off as a androgynous emo predator teen.
All the preds we have seen have been female! Shane Black will make this truth! The Predaphiles community will implode!
Shane Black...
dis madafaking Caucasian. :P
...here's hoping its a bigger budget Predator film.. that takes place in the future.. features Colonial Marines and lots of predators. UNF :P
f**k colonial Marines.
We need whatever future version of the Army Airborne is up in this bitch.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 30, 2014, 06:54:50 PM
f**k colonial Marines.
We need whatever future version of the Army Airborne is up in this bitch.
Dude, my dad would give you the biggest hooah! lol He was 101st. ;)
I believe that the colonial marines could fit nicely on a reboot of AVP
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Oct 30, 2014, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 30, 2014, 06:54:50 PM
f**k colonial Marines.
We need whatever future version of the Army Airborne is up in this bitch.
Dude, my dad would give you the biggest hooah! lol He was 101st. ;)
Respeck. From one hooah to another.
Quote from: worldpeace on Oct 30, 2014, 07:41:31 AM
i keep going back to realising that he ways GEEZ YOU GOTTA BIG PUSSY its cuz uh the eco hawkins
he was in f**king predator and is using his iron man 3 muscle to make a predator movie .
we should be greatful he is even interested in making this movie happen . it's exciting .
even watching dutch getting owned by anytimes mom decades later.
anything is better then nothing . im not saying i wanna see anytimes mom.
Dear god.
"loud coke sniffing sound" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Oct 30, 2014, 02:17:03 PMOh ... and expect female humanoid female characteristics ... like hour glass figure and breasts.
I cannot express how pissed off and disappointed I would be if they went down this route.
it's amazing how many more times we could be let down by these franchises . i mean the world is screwy enough that i could see a bunch of dissatisfying predator or alien or avp movies that are let downs. i choose to stay on the bright side.
i feel i have been through this 3 or 4 times before. .
so far some of the responses i have gotten to my questions have been flat out wrong on this site regarding shanes predator movie .
thus , no one knows shit yet and it's all just speculation.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 31, 2014, 08:54:45 AM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Oct 30, 2014, 02:17:03 PMOh ... and expect female humanoid female characteristics ... like hour glass figure and breasts.
I cannot express how pissed off and disappointed I would be if they went down this route.
that still makes coke look fun. it's the look in his eyes.. like they are about to pop out of his skull and he has to shit reeeeal bad.
Quote from: First Blood on Oct 30, 2014, 11:19:05 PM
"loud coke sniffing sound" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:-\
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 31, 2014, 08:54:45 AM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Oct 30, 2014, 02:17:03 PMOh ... and expect female humanoid female characteristics ... like hour glass figure and breasts.
I cannot express how pissed off and disappointed I would be if they went down this route.
Not a female predator...please no
Quote from: happypred on Oct 31, 2014, 09:44:39 AM
Not a female predator...please no
I'd rather a female Predator (assuming she's a classic type) rather than another Super Abomination.
anyone ever think that maybe Anytime WAS a FEMALE ? i mean the way anytime shakes it's dreads after it's head emerges from out of the water.. that is a chick thing not a GUY thing.. the thomas brothers wrote that scene while sitting on a beach writing the script, and a woman walked out of the sea and shook her head from side to side to remove excess H2O from her hair. Anytime may have very well been a female. You don't know.
i agree tits and stuff would be dumb in a movie.
I think someone else has brought up the idea that MAYBE the predator's gender can change at some point in life like ENEMY MINE.
Predators are on a hunting / mating trip. humans kill boy predator..girl predator gets pissed. seeks revenge .. if no tits are involved maybe.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 31, 2014, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: happypred on Oct 31, 2014, 09:44:39 AM
Not a female predator...please no
I'd rather a female Predator (assuming she's a classic type) rather than another Super Abomination.
A female predator could be a great idea. I'm for it.
Who cares about all that shit in a Predator film? Female predators... tits or no tits... colonial marines...?
Is it really so hard to hire Arnold to reprise his iconic role as Dutch, center the plot around him becoming involved somehow in yet another confrontation with one of these critters, 2-3 decades after the original film took place?
If we absolutely have to make a new film in this franchise, please go back to the roots and what worked.
If done right, than yes I agree a female Pred would be pretty cool. Problem is almost all existing concepts of what female Preds would/should be like are complete shite. And, unfortunately, some of those are rather popular.
I'd prefer to go back to the super Preds if that's the case.
Quote from: Eva on Oct 31, 2014, 11:11:12 PM
Who cares about all that shit in a Predator film? Female predators... tits or no tits... colonial marines...?
Is it really so hard to hire Arnold to reprise his iconic role as Dutch, center the plot around him becoming involved somehow in yet another confrontation with one of these critters, 2-3 decades after the original film took place?
If we absolutely have to make a new film in this franchise, please go back to the roots and what worked.
This this this.
Either do something in the vein of the original (without losing focus and getting sloppy after the midpoint a la
Predators) go all out insane like the second one.
The idea of a giant expansive Predator universe doesn't really interest me.
Quote from: worldpeace on Oct 31, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
anyone ever think that maybe Anytime WAS a FEMALE ? i mean the way anytime shakes it's dreads after it's head emerges from out of the water.. that is a chick thing not a GUY thing.. the thomas brothers wrote that scene while sitting on a beach writing the script, and a woman walked out of the sea and shook her head from side to side to remove excess H2O from her hair. Anytime may have very well been a female. You don't know.
:laugh:
damn, son
Quote from: Aspie on Nov 01, 2014, 05:05:09 PM
damn, son
daughter*
You never know, it might be a girl.
Quote from: Eva on Oct 31, 2014, 11:11:12 PM
If we absolutely have to make a new film in this franchise, please go back to the roots and what worked.
As far sequel ideas... the fans just want endless repeats of the first film.... No thanks. :P
Quite frankly, I hope Shane doesn't reveal too much on the predator species. Please keep in mind, I'm coming at this from an artist point of view, I like having the freedom to fill in the blanks with my own ideas. Where the predator is, its like all I have is the framing of house but I can do whatever I want with the rest. The last thing I want, when I'm doing my art, is have someone throw the word of god at me, telling me that my art goes against canon. Its one thing when things are things are expanded on in the comics, they're secondary, but the movies should just keep the mystery.
Quote from: Sagittarius on Nov 01, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
I like having the freedom to fill in the blanks with my own ideas.
But nobody else cares about your ideas.
Unlike some here, I prefer a more expanded universe instead of more of the same.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 01, 2014, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Sagittarius on Nov 01, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
I like having the freedom to fill in the blanks with my own ideas.
But nobody else cares about your ideas.
That's fine, like I said, what I was saying was coming from an artist's point of view. I'm not looking to force any of my ideas on anyone, I simply do not want someone telling me that my art goes against the predator encyclopedia (which I pretty much ignore anyway). I just want most of what the predator is to remain an unknown. I don't want to see much expansion of their culture or biology, I would rather that just be all up to speculation. If Shane wants to try something new, I hope he just tells the same story with a different setting and characters. I don't mind if he brought Arny back at Dutch, probably play the mentor role.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Nov 01, 2014, 06:16:30 PM
Unlike some here, I prefer a more expanded universe instead of more of the same.
I think there's a bit of a difference between expanding the universe and expanding on the predator. They should expand more on the universe that the predator exists in, but not expand on the predator itself. I think it would be great if they brought in other intelligent species that were also effected by the predator race.
Quote from: Sagittarius on Nov 01, 2014, 06:16:53 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 01, 2014, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Sagittarius on Nov 01, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
I like having the freedom to fill in the blanks with my own ideas.
But nobody else cares about your ideas.
That's fine, like I said, what I was saying was coming from an artist's point of view. I'm not looking to force any of my ideas on anyone, I simply do not want someone telling me that my art goes against the predator encyclopedia (which I pretty much ignore anyway). I just want most of what the predator is to remain an unknown. I don't want to see much expansion of their culture or biology, I would rather that just be all up to speculation. If Shane wants to try something new, I hope he just tells the same story with a different setting and characters. I don't mind if he brought Arny back at Dutch, probably play the mentor role.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Nov 01, 2014, 06:16:30 PM
Unlike some here, I prefer a more expanded universe instead of more of the same.
I think there's a bit of a difference between expanding the universe and expanding on the predator. They should expand more on the universe that the predator exists in, but not expand on the predator itself. I think it would be great if they brought in other intelligent species that were also effected by the predator race.
Yes! That's what I want: new enemies, new worlds, new creatures, new alien technologies, new weapons, new spaceships, etc. But we are both in agreement on the Predator's thing.
"EVP: Engineer VS Predator - Engineers created Predators after the failure that was the Humans. Still, the Engineers weren't satisfied, and thus, created the Super Predators. Now the Predators want answers!"
Oh, god I hope nothing like this happens. This would be a good way to piss off the fanbase. lol
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Nov 01, 2014, 08:48:46 PM
"EVP: Engineer VS Predator - Engineers created Predators after the failure that was the Humans. Still, the Engineers weren't satisfied, and thus, created the Super Predators. Now the Predators want answers!"
Oh, god I hope nothing like this happens. This would be a good way to piss off the fanbase. lol
Engineers creating predators is a horrible idea, but I'd pay to see that fight, or better yet; a hunting scenario rather than a versus (on the big screen by the way).
I highly doubt Shane is going to bring in anything that has to do with Aliens or Prometheus into the Predator sequel, that's really something for the AvP comic reboots.
I hear you man, but I was talking about a crossover on the big screen (not necessarily canonical, only as an alternate universe).I was not talking about the Shane Black's movie, and partly I was also joking ;D
Same here. lol
I wouldn't mind seeing an Engineer versus Predator conflict, either. As long as it's done right. It sure would be nice to see the Alien *finally* portrayed authentically in an AVP epic, too.
Unil then, I just hope Shane nails this new Predator film.
Sorry,nope female predator for me as well/
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Personally, I think that the Predator culture has been explored enough as it is. So if anything, I think something like that should be left alone and well enough. We already know that there are different clans with different customs, and that's fine but like someone had said, keep the some of the blanks filled in to let the fans do their own thing. We don't need to see their politics, we don't need to see their society because we know that they are a clan based society similar to aboriginal tribes (think Native Americans, Maori, etc).
I wouldn't mind seeing new technology, and I wouldn't mind seeing alien creatures but as far as alien worlds are concerned.. Please, no preserve planets. That was just f**king bullshit which cheapened the thrill of the hunt. It took away the challenge and thrill which the first two movies even established, and if you count the first AvP, then that movie too. If alien worlds are to be involved, I wouldn't mind seeing something similarly to what the scenarios of Pitch Black and the third Riddick movie showed.
As for crossing Prometheus, Alien and Predator over.. No. I think the comics which are doing that is enough, and I agree with Bio Mech Hunter in that the possibility of Engineers being involved with the Predators aside from an antagonistic relation is a route we don't want to go down with. I know someone joked but.. the idea of it is.. No.
But considering that Shane did final rewrites to the first film, I trust him. I'm cautiously optimistic and with Fred Dekker on board.. well.. Right now Dekker is a mixed bag for me. He did two awesome movies which I really liked, but one movie which.. leaves me with some doubt is the fact that he did Robocop 3. But I am really hopeful.. Truly hopeful.
I just hope it ignores PREDATORS.. or boots it.
Quote from: Magegg on Oct 31, 2014, 10:02:31 PMA female predator could be a great idea. I'm for it.
Allow me to clarify
No female predator with boobs. I'd prefer either male predator or unknown
I once heard somebody suggest the main Predator in the second film was female, and ever since I can't help but feel that kinda makes sense. It's a totally different colour and has that bony crown on its head.
Quote from: happypred on Nov 06, 2014, 07:20:24 AM
No female predator with boobs. I'd prefer either male predator or unknown
I think someone pointed out earlier, though -- if they make it female, it'll have boobs. There are some strange things I found on the internet looking for an example to post - but I will save you the trauma. Let's just say that some folk have some strange fantasies.
We still have a long way to go for a new info. My guess is that we should hear more info by next year and that they will likely film for a 2017 release date. 2017 is the 30th anniversary of the franchise.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 14, 2014, 04:50:13 AM
2017 is the 30th anniversary of the franchise.
Aw shit, do I feel old... :-[
Quote from: Sagittarius on Nov 01, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
Quite frankly, I hope Shane doesn't reveal too much on the predator species. Please keep in mind, I'm coming at this from an artist point of view, I like having the freedom to fill in the blanks with my own ideas. Where the predator is, its like all I have is the framing of house but I can do whatever I want with the rest. The last thing I want, when I'm doing my art, is have someone throw the word of god at me, telling me that my art goes against canon. Its one thing when things are things are expanded on in the comics, they're secondary, but the movies should just keep the mystery.
ie. Don't do what happened with Prometheus.
I sometimes wonder about how a predator would react to ISIS type groups in today's world or in the years to come.Can you imagine a predator getting taken out by a drone by accident right before the predator was about to kill the same terrorists the military was hunting Could be an interesting idea if the government became aware of the mass of green glowing mess left in the aftermath. And the predators wanted the terrorists heads before they were taken out by the military. Even hacking military intelligence for terrorist locations and literally following soldiers to terrorists hide outs and then getting the head of the terrorist before the military can get to the location confusing the shit out of everyone involved.. Until.. I dunno it just popped in my mind I guess I'm kinda hoping to see a predator kill some of these lunatics .
You should pitch that to Dark Horse. It's a brilliant idea because its current, plays into our fears and epitomises the whole "predator" thing (ie predator movies tend to state that both are predators - Arnie is equally a "predator" as JH, Harriagan is, and of course the "predators" of the Rodriquez movie). So the terrorists are predators, the military are predators and the predators are predators... It's a novel I'd read for sure.
It's a brilliant idea. Do it. Do it now.
Thanks for liking the idea.. I think the world is very scary enough for a predator to have a blood orgy in. :o
It plays very naturally into many aspects of the first two movies with out being to stale either .. It's fresh and current and also sticking with a theme from the first two That I would enjoy seeing without feeling like a rip off of the previous
I think it is a real possibility that Shane blacks movie with involve terrorists . So will wait and see..
So. So what! Do it. Do it now! It's too good an idea to leave on the forum, man. I wish I'd thought of it.
Russ, since you are a published author you have my blessing if you wanna take the bones of My idea and mold you're own story round them. I would also be happy to work with you on putting something together to show dark horse you write and I write and we put the two together the best bits. . I like the idea of a drone camera zoomed in on its strike zone showing a mass of green glowing goop spread out In a giant smear puddle standing out amongst black scorched earth and debris and human blood . A room of military people looking at a giant screen going huh ? What's that.. Then maybe in the back of the room is a Nick nolty type general in a cloud of cigar smoke smiling because he knows. I dunno. Anyway cheers Russ.
Hi man - at the moment, I can't cos I'm really late on my next book, but this idea is really strong. I really love it as I say above, but I'm no expert on the EU and how that stuff works - I think it's really edgy and current and I'd hope that the publishers would like that sort of thing - but I don't know.
I'm not sure where you are based - if you want to PM me your number or skype details, we could discuss it further, though?
Let me know ;-)
Oh - I just checked - DH don't accept subs for existing properties (boo!), Titan books seem a little faster and looser in that from what I can understand, they won't accept unsolicited enquiries but I think they'll look at proposals that come via an agent. So, if we can come up with something saleable, we could look at that. These are big "ifs" though.
But, as I say above - I have to finish my current book or I'll get shot.
no rush here russ. im on full christmas depression mode so maybe getting lost in a story would be healthy. glad someone liked my idea.
good luck with the book. i will pm you if i write something up.
Cool stuff, I reckon shoot for an outline at this stage. To be honest, I'd say write the thing as fan piece if you're really excited about it, but for Titan, we'd need is a framework and couple of chapters.
Keep me posted, man!
i only intended it as fan fun. your the one with the published work :laugh:
Sure, but anyone can get published, man. It's all about finishing a piece of work and, I have to confess, a bit lucky (those "how to get published" books always miss that bit), but I believe that with the right approach and a modicum of English skill, it can be done. It's a strange thing nowadays cos literally anyone can get a book out with the kindle thing that's going on, but publishers still want good writers (hence, lucky - I'm a below-average-verging-on-a-rubbish-writer) - I'd encourage anyone with an idea, some free time and a thick skin to go for it.
BUT- we are derailing the thread!
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 29, 2014, 07:17:00 PM
Shane Black talks Predator, teases a female Predator?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyFrcrfq9lM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyFrcrfq9lM#ws)
Late to the party on this, but...I'm all for it if done. Even with breast and hourglass figure. I don't mind it, chances are though it will be added in for the same reason the female Na'vi had breasts. Familiarity and "sexyness". Though it will be super hard to sell a sexy female Predator. If they're going to do it, I commend them for trying.
As for keeping Predators mysterious, I'd prefer that as well. I'm usually weary of lore additions to generally mysterious things. I think the Predator franchise has a nice balance with what we know and don't know.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 12, 2014, 06:58:52 AMLate to the party on this, but...I'm all for it if done. Even with breast and hourglass figure. I don't mind it, chances are though it will be added in for the same reason the female Na'vi had breasts. Familiarity and "sexyness". Though it will be super hard to sell a sexy female Predator. If they're going to do it, I commend for the trying.
That's exactly why I hate the idea of hourglass Predators - the Na'vi were so humanoid and familiar because we're supposed to sympathise with them, and that's a lot easier when they look more like us. We aren't meant to sympathise with Predators, they're basically the villains. They should be
less human, and more mysterious as a result.
The idea of a Predator with tits is literally the stupidest thing that could happen, if you ask me. There are
much better ways Mrs. Predator could be handled.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2014, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 12, 2014, 06:58:52 AMLate to the party on this, but...I'm all for it if done. Even with breast and hourglass figure. I don't mind it, chances are though it will be added in for the same reason the female Na'vi had breasts. Familiarity and "sexyness". Though it will be super hard to sell a sexy female Predator. If they're going to do it, I commend for the trying.
That's exactly why I hate the idea of hourglass Predators - the Na'vi were so humanoid and familiar because we're supposed to sympathise with them, and that's a lot easier when they look more like us. We aren't meant to sympathise with Predators, they're basically the villains. They should be less human, and more mysterious as a result.
The idea of a Predator with tits is literally the stupidest thing that could happen, if you ask me. There are much better ways Mrs. Predator could be handled.
I suppose you do make a point. They could always be more creative, more distinguishing features for a female Predator. But the use of female would be more important to me than her looks. If she is every bit as badass and fearsome as males, they can give her two pairs of breasts for all I care. :D
I think I'd probably prefer just breasts to an hourglass figure though. Both are fine to me, but I think that type of look for a female Predator is a tad over done.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 12, 2014, 09:15:47 AMI suppose you do make a point. They could always be more creative, more distinguishing features for a female Predator.
Whenever this point comes up I always point people to the Turians in
Mass Effect 3. That game did a great job of distinguishing between male and female Turians
without simply giving the chicks huge breasts. The differences were subtle, but noticeable. I'd much rather see them put some actual thought into a female Predator and go down that route.
And another thing I always bring up is the possibility that the Predator in
Predator 2 was female. It's a very different colour, and has that bony crown feature on its head that others haven't had.
So what is the projected release date on this movie? I saw someone said 2017, 30th anniversary of the first film?
I always saw the main predator in Predator 2 as a variation within their species in the same way us humans have variations (asians, negros, caucasians, etc.), and I believe that was the intention.
The idea of retro canonizing the gender of the main predator in Predator 2 makes me cringe. I'd rather have a (proper) intentional female predator design. Something legitimate and believable.
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Dec 12, 2014, 07:44:20 PMThe idea of retro canonizing the gender of the main predator in Predator 2 makes me cringe.
What's retro-canon about it? The film never says. It could literally be either sex without it affecting anything.
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Dec 12, 2014, 07:44:20 PMI'd rather have a (proper) intentional female predator design. Something legitimate and believable.
What's not believable about the City Hunter being female?
Either way, was just a personal thought.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2014, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Dec 12, 2014, 07:44:20 PMThe idea of retro canonizing the gender of the main predator in Predator 2 makes me cringe.
What's retro-canon about it? The film never says. It could literally be either sex without it affecting anything.
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Dec 12, 2014, 07:44:20 PMI'd rather have a (proper) intentional female predator design. Something legitimate and believable.
What's not believable about the City Hunter being female?
Either way, was just a personal thought.
Well, it's just that the design was more similar than dissimilar to the predator in the first film.
Also, I believe if it was meant to be female, that would be a noteworthy point to make clear at some point in the film rather than leave it so ambiguous. It's not even mentioned in any of the behind-the-scenes material. At least, none that I've scene.
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Dec 12, 2014, 10:09:33 PMAlso, I believe if it was meant to be female, that would be a noteworthy point to make clear at some point in the film rather than leave it so ambiguous. It's not even mentioned in any of the behind-the-scenes material. At least, none that I've scene.
Hence why I said it was just a thought.
But I don't see why they'd need to make a big song and dance about it if it was female. Playing it subtle would be a much better way to go. Otherwise you get those ridiculous big-boobed monstrosities.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2014, 11:01:43 PM
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Dec 12, 2014, 10:09:33 PMAlso, I believe if it was meant to be female, that would be a noteworthy point to make clear at some point in the film rather than leave it so ambiguous. It's not even mentioned in any of the behind-the-scenes material. At least, none that I've scene.
Hence why I said it was just a thought.
I know. I didn't think I was making a bigger deal out it of than that. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2014, 11:01:43 PM
But I don't see why they'd need to make a big song and dance about it if it was female. Playing it subtle would be a much better way to go. Otherwise you get those ridiculous big-boobed monstrosities.
I agree. I only meant that a moment should be taken to let the audience know she's a "she" then move on. Not make a big production out of it. I want to keep it classy, too. ;)
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Dec 12, 2014, 11:15:56 PMI agree. I only meant that a moment should be taken to let the audience know she's a "she" then move on. Not make a big production out of it. I want to keep it classy, too. ;)
Not really sure how you could do that though, to be honest. Predators don't speak, no one on Earth would know the difference between a male and a female... Unless it's set in the future, and mankind has been capturing and studying Predators. Some scientist might be able to tell you if a certain individual has Predator nards.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2014, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Dec 12, 2014, 07:44:20 PMThe idea of retro canonizing the gender of the main predator in Predator 2 makes me cringe.
What's retro-canon about it? The film never says. It could literally be either sex without it affecting anything.
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Dec 12, 2014, 07:44:20 PMI'd rather have a (proper) intentional female predator design. Something legitimate and believable.
What's not believable about the City Hunter being female?
Either way, was just a personal thought.
The old lady with the broom referred to it as "he", therefore it is a male predator.
It's canon now.
If they do decide to the bring in a female predator, and they do decide to add on the breasts, they're not going to make them very big. If anything, they'll make just big enough to let us that something is there, so she may be the equivalent to an A-B cup. They would have to do something obviously (human) female in order to inform the short attention span audience that the predator, they're looking at, is in fact a girl predator- and they have to do it quickly. And still continue to shroud the predator in mystery.
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather not see a female predator because it reveals too much- I prefer to keep it to speculation. I just don't see them doing it any other way. But trust me, any speculated female predator is not going to be very busty at all. In fact, I'll be surprised if she is even B-cup. Hollywood can be dumb, but they're not that dumb.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Dec 13, 2014, 03:26:11 AMThe old lady with the broom referred to it as "he", therefore it is a male predator.
It's canon now.
I am thwarted by logic :)
Quote from: Sagittarius on Dec 13, 2014, 06:38:22 AM
Hollywood can be dumb, but they're not that dumb.
I don't know.. I mean.. Hollywood has done some VERY dumb things..
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Who cares about all that shit in a Predator film? Female predators... tits or no tits... colonial marines...?
Is it really so hard to hire Arnold to reprise his iconic role as Dutch, center the plot around him becoming involved somehow in yet another confrontation with one of these critters, 2-3 decades after the original film took place?
If we absolutely have to make a new film in this franchise, please go back to the roots and what worked.
This this this.
Either do something in the vein of the original (without losing focus and getting sloppy after the midpoint a la Predators) go all out insane like the second one.
The idea of a giant expansive Predator universe doesn't really interest me.
Now this I can get behind.
And personally I love the female Predator idea.
Yeah, but as has been noted - this is Hollywood we're talking about. They have to convey everything to the lowest common denominator - hence, if they want to have a female predator, she'll have huge tits and an hourglass figure. And most will go "cooool - a lady predator!" it'll be all over the news sites.
Quote from: Russ on Dec 15, 2014, 10:23:09 AM
Yeah, but as has been noted - this is Hollywood we're talking about. They have to convey everything to the lowest common denominator - hence, if they want to have a female predator, she'll have huge tits and an hourglass figure. And most will go "cooool - a lady predator!" it'll be all over the news sites.
Her tits won't be huge, she'll have just enough for us recognize something's there, for which A-B cup would be enough, and her figure is most likely going to be slim than hourglass. She'll have a figure much like Neytiri, with perhaps more muscle, but that's about it.
I'm thinking a female predator could be designed to be distinctly feminine, but more subtly than tacking on boobs. Think along the lines of Tigress from Kung Fu Panda:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ffeb3ea7a83b0e63dccf3f8f785619e66%2Ftumblr_mlvobgTaLH1s9p59mo1_500.gif&hash=b4b03eaa88156869126a8cea317baa80f51955ed)
exactly what i was thinking . lions have a mane. lioness is sleek and trim. she does the hunting .
this thread has become sexist . long ago. in my head i see a non ridiculous female predator.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 23, 2014, 10:21:21 AM
I'm thinking a female predator could be designed to be distinctly feminine, but more subtly than tacking on boobs. Think along the lines of Tigress from Kung Fu Panda:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/feb3ea7a83b0e63dccf3f8f785619e66/tumblr_mlvobgTaLH1s9p59mo1_500.gif
I totally see where you're going with this. Smaller, slimmer, maybe longer (more ornamented) dread locks, would work to get the idea across that its a girl predator, if they feel that the breast idea wouldn't work.
Though, if they do decide to go with a female predator, then I hope they'll finally have a female protagonist that takes on the predator and wins- something I've yet to see in even the comics books, with the exception of a few AvP when Machiko betrays the predators. That's AvP, the Predator series have yet to entertain the idea of a woman taking down a predator. And personally, I think we're due for that.
i wonder if the gender of the actor in the predator costume would change accordingly ?
ian could play a female predator i think ? casting a woman for a female predator would be new . maybe someone built more like the guy who was cast as the alien in alien .
long thin limbs and tall. thinner dreds
depends on how big they would want her to be and how big the other actors are that are playing predators. A woman can definitely work in a predator costume, plenty of tall slender women out there. But it would depend on the design of the costume.
Why should they even be feminine? Those things are aliens. ~90% of female animals don't look feminine.
Why is it so offensive that the predator have human feminine qualities? I get you don't want victoria's secret, but even if we only gave them the figure of an athletic woman, you guys would freak out. What's the big deal?
TBH, I really don't care if they bring in a female predator or how they bring her in. I'm just really curious as to why there is such hostility towards the idea.
Quote from: Sagittarius on Dec 24, 2014, 01:25:54 AM
Why is it so offensive that the predator have human feminine qualities? I get you don't want victoria's secret, but even if we only gave them the figure of an athletic woman, you guys would freak out. What's the big deal?
TBH, I really don't care if they bring in a female predator or how they bring her in. I'm just really curious as to why there is such hostility towards the idea.
I agree. The predators we've seen look masculine. Why wouldn't she preds looks feminine?
Quote from: Sagittarius on Dec 24, 2014, 01:25:54 AM
TBH, I really don't care if they bring in a female predator or how they bring her in. I'm just really curious as to why there is such hostility towards the idea.
I've noticed extreme vitriol towards the idea of a female Predator. But personally, I could careless if we wind up with a male or female.. My only concern is the treatment of the creature itself, and the culture as well assuming we see more of it. Personally, I think we've seen enough of Predator culture. I'd rather not see how Predator politics are done. I'd also rather see a departure from the direction PREDATORS went in. No Preserve Planets, no Super Predators.
However.. if we do see a female, maybe we can see how the culture differs for them then the Hunter's we've seen. The old EU mentions that female Hunters are far and few, and when they do hunt.. it's not necessarily for honor but rather more for shits and giggles, and to prove their own worth to rival females. So, if a female Hunter is shown, it'd be a new aspect of the culture shown.
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Oh, wait. What? Female Predators? Alrighty. Since I'm already in this thread and all.
Predators are bipedal. Since they stand in the exact way that a Human does, it is safe to assume they have identical pelvic design. Hence, at the very least, their hips are going to be that stereotypical 'child bearing' shape (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/10783961/Women-with-wide-hips-more-likely-to-have-one-night-stand.html). That is a true given. Without wider hips, a fetus' crown cannot pass out the birth canal without causing bodily trauma for the mother. Recent studies (http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/why-is-human-childbirth-so-painful/) make this clear that as Humans,our mother's womb baking time is for the brain ONLY. This is why a fetus looks so well...fetal, when it is born, versus other animals who have rather well-developed newborns and can walk in a few hours time with the adults. But the Human baby when it pops has got a very well-developed brain.
Which leads into breasts. Because so much of the mother's own bodily resources are used for the fetus, things such as yolks to feed the fetus are impossible. Yolk can only contain so much metabolic nutrients for the fetus. The mother, when birthing an egg, would have to pop out a very large fetus-sized egg that -also- contained the yolk to feed the fetus while it continues to grow. This is, to me, not viable for a sentient, large-brain-cased species. This is also a good nudge in the direction that Predators are warm blooded too. A human-sized brain needs a body that can develop its own body heat. Otherwise, it could not advance itself into abstract thought and problem solving, such core tenets to signal true intelligence.
However, it has been pointed out that perhaps Predators on-screen have not shown things like belly buttons and nipples. I chalk that up to garbage movie science. Especially for the first movie, which I doubt the likes the Stan Winston and James Cameron going apeshit about their creature FX suit to have nips and an innie. Especially since the Predator concept itself was a bit rushed considering Van Damme threw a tantrum in his red lobster suit. The actual core Predator concept was sketched on a plane trip to the studio. I would like to think they had more pressing matters.
So yes. Honestly, with what movies are out now, IF a female Predator ever was shown then Fox and co can either do their science homework or just do anything they want because they said so and it's their property. Or, you know, "it's science fiction! Anything can happen!" And seeing the state of the Predator property AND the fandom, that kind of lazy thinking gets none of us anywhere.
However, it doesn't mean a Predator fem needs to rival the likes of Nicki Minaj's buns. With the right sexual dimorphic height coupled with broad hips AND a bit-wider shoulders to compensate, it won't look like a parody or a reason to pin tits on chest. As for the actual breasts...who says they have to be in fabulous funbag size 24/7? If anything, I can see them being mosquito bites until they are ready to give birth. That way they have milk ready for their newborn. When the child is grown enough, then it's last call on the milk tap and they then become afterthoughts and more like male pectorals.
I like Queen Aliens, I like male Blooded Hunters
I grew up with AvP Prey. Everyone has his or her personal taste
Quote from: happypred on Dec 24, 2014, 06:58:36 AM
I grew up with AvP Prey. Everyone has his or her personal taste
I did too but I thought using the extended canon in the movie board was verboten.
It's not dislike towards the notion of a female Predator. It's a dislike of the notion of her being designed with human female qualities in mind. Just to clarify.
Quote from: Sagittarius on Dec 24, 2014, 01:25:54 AMWhy is it so offensive that the predator have human feminine qualities? I get you don't want victoria's secret, but even if we only gave them the figure of an athletic woman, you guys would freak out. What's the big deal?
I just think it's a ridiculously cheap, fanboy way of doing it when there are far more interesting possibilities.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2014, 08:35:44 AM
It's not dislike towards the notion of a female Predator. It's a dislike of the notion of her being designed with human female qualities in mind. Just to clarify.
Considering things such as breasts and hips as "Human" leads to a very narrow mindset. Other animals have similar structures. We all have eyes, feet with toes and arms with digits. Some marine mammals still have some of their pevic bones as an evolutionary throwback (like how we Humans have a seemingly-useless appendix flap of whatever dangling from our colon that probably thousands of years ago might have had a purpose).
If Humans did not exist but instead another mammal rose to the top with the same bipedal format, do you think perhaps it might be more similar than you realize? Sure, maybe a Dog might have multiple breasts, or a Cow has udders, ect. Things like wide hips and mammaries are integral for warm-blooded, highly intelligent, bipedal creatures.
You could say that "hey, this is Earth, this is just Earth". That is indeed true. But we aren't making a new species from scratch. The first movie showed a bipedal creature with four extremities, a trunk and a head.
I'd also have to claim Occam's Razor. If a rock-based planet has large bodies of water and reasonable gravitational pull (ie, a good clone of Earth), there's a single chance the life that evolves would be similar. Same blueprints, but whoever has those blueprints can deck out the place in Bohemian or French Country. Yet the underlying structure is the same. All the bacteria and basic building blocks of life are universal. It takes some water, heat and a stray comet with a bit of lucky microbes to get the party started.
Convergent evolution speaks of this to explain further.
If you're seriously worried that Fox turns it into a laughable cop-out to get the lowest common denominator to buy theater tickets, then your worries are not unfounded. James Cameron even admitted he created the Na'vi in a way so they were obviously alien, but to also have sex appeal for the audience to sympathize and gain some sort of attachment. I personally think it could be done tastefully. Only if the writer and effects studio has some creative prowess to think outside the box.
Quote from: Tarak'ha on Dec 24, 2014, 11:11:08 AMConsidering things such as breasts and hips as "Human" leads to a very narrow mindset.
Apart from the fact humans are the only species on the planet to have such pronounced female breasts... Even apes don't have anything like that. Sure, female apes have the internal structure for breast feeding, but externally they aren't easily distinguishable from the males as in humans.
More to the point, who even says Predators are mammals?
That's narrow minded.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 24, 2014, 11:15:37 AM
More to the point, who even says Predators are mammals? That's narrow minded.
Please do not put words in my mouth. I said they were warm blooded, not that they were mammals.
QuoteApart from the fact humans are the only species on the planet to have such pronounced female breasts
Apes have breasts. But you are correct, they are not permanent. As I replied earlier:
QuoteAs for the actual breasts...who says they have to be in fabulous funbag size 24/7? If anything, I can see them being mosquito bites until they are ready to give birth. That way they have milk ready for their newborn. When the child is grown enough, then it's last call on the milk tap and they then become afterthoughts and more like male pectorals.
That is how most animals who produce milk have their mammaires set up.
Quote from: Tarak'ha on Dec 24, 2014, 11:49:16 AMPlease do not put words in my mouth. I said they were warm blooded, not that they were mammals.
I was referring to this:
Quote from: Tarak'ha on Dec 24, 2014, 11:49:16 AMIf Humans did not exist but instead another mammal rose to the top with the same bipedal format, do you think perhaps it might be more similar than you realize? Sure, maybe a Dog might have multiple breasts, or a Cow has udders, ect. Things like wide hips and mammaries are integral for warm-blooded, highly intelligent, bipedal creatures.
Which kind of implies you're suggesting Predators are mammalian. Besides, there are a host of warm-blooded animals that do not have breasts. As I said, humans are the only ones that
do, in the sense of being visibly pronounced. Saying Predators will follow our biological rules is pretty ridiculous from that standpoint.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 24, 2014, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: Tarak'ha on Dec 24, 2014, 11:49:16 AMPlease do not put words in my mouth. I said they were warm blooded, not that they were mammals.
I was referring to this:
Quote from: Tarak'ha on Dec 24, 2014, 11:49:16 AMIf Humans did not exist but instead another mammal rose to the top with the same bipedal format, do you think perhaps it might be more similar than you realize? Sure, maybe a Dog might have multiple breasts, or a Cow has udders, ect. Things like wide hips and mammaries are integral for warm-blooded, highly intelligent, bipedal creatures.
Which kind of implies you're suggesting Predators are mammalian. Besides, there are a host of warm-blooded animals that do not have breasts. As I said, humans are the only ones that do, in the sends of being visibly pronounced. Saying they'll be like us is pretty ridiculous from that standpoint.
If you want to lawyer my English, sure.
The word mammal in that quote refers to hypothesizing that Humans (mammals) did not exist and a different species rose to take their place instead. That with a similar evolutionary path (toward high intelligence and becoming Earth's apex predator) would produce a similar body structure.
The word 'mammary' does not equal mammal. A long time ago some species of animal existed that were neither mammal or reptilian. If you DO want to peg me as placing an obvious Earth-centric label on Predators, then you can cling to this: I believe if one can try to classify, a Predator would be a good candidate for being an alien therapsid.
Humans have breasts as hood ornaments. Males saw them as good and thus evolution played on it. If men didn't focus, then all females would be flat-chested like our ape cousins and only grow when milk was in production.
Besides the fact that this is a fictional story created by
Humans, there's gonna be some Human-like features. Now, if they went with the original script and the Predator was a body-less cloud that controlled the jungle animals, then you got yourself a full-fledged non-bipedal alien. Even the Van Damme Lobster suit alien would have been a very good candidate for something truly less than Human or Humanish.
Once they gave the Predator a Human body with a half-reptilian skin as a base, then let's face it: you're all screwed.
Quote from: Tarak'ha on Dec 24, 2014, 12:10:37 PMIf you want to lawyer my English, sure.
I'm not lawyering anything, that's what your example of 'another mammal' implied.
Quote from: Tarak'ha on Dec 24, 2014, 12:10:37 PMBesides the fact that this is a fictional story created by Humans, there's gonna be some Human-like features.
Dafuq?
Cloverfield was a fictional story created by humans. Not many human features in the monster in that...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 24, 2014, 12:19:42 PM
Dafuq?
Cloverfield was a fictional story created by humans. Not many human features in the monster in that...
So is Mass Effect. And Star Trek. Star Wars. Cloverfield is not the sole representative of Human cinema to portray extraterrestrials or obvious non-Terran creatures.
Quote from: Tarak'ha on Dec 24, 2014, 12:21:31 PMSo is Mass Effect. And Star Trek. Star Wars. Cloverfield is not the sole representative of Human cinema to portray extraterrestrials or obvious non-Terran creatures.
Errm... exactly. So your "the fact that this is a fictional story created by Humans, there's gonna be some Human-like features" argument is totally null and void. It doesn't have to have any human-like features at all.
Besides being bipedal. I've yet to see any humans with mandibles.
The fact is that this is a fictional creature. Some of us clearly don't want it humanizing with the inclusion of breasts because it's alien. It might have worked for Jim Cameron and Avatar to humanize his aliens as that was the entire intention of the story. We're not supposed to identify with the Predators.
QuoteWe're not supposed to identify with the Predators.
Thank you for saying that. Now I can stop the illusion of trying to debate with Alien fans instead of Yautja fans and go back to working on other things.
And Merry Christmas.
Wow. Just like that? Maybe I should talk to a Predator fan instead of a Yautja fan?
The Yautja culture is a fabrication of the EU for a novel in which we're supposed to be able to understand the more complex motivation of the creatures. And this culture is not in the films which we're talking about.
I'll stick to my film version of the Predators.
Merry Christmas to yourself. And a Happy New Year.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2014, 12:26:02 PMWe're not supposed to identify with the Predators.
Exactly this. I said the same thing a while back.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 24, 2014, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: Sagittarius on Dec 24, 2014, 01:25:54 AMWhy is it so offensive that the predator have human feminine qualities? I get you don't want victoria's secret, but even if we only gave them the figure of an athletic woman, you guys would freak out. What's the big deal?
I just think it's a ridiculously cheap, fanboy way of doing it when there are far more interesting possibilities.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2014, 08:35:44 AM
It's not dislike towards the notion of a female Predator. It's a dislike of the notion of her being designed with human female qualities in mind. Just to clarify.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2014, 12:26:02 PM
We're not supposed to identify with the Predators.
So you don't like it, why should the rest of us care what you think? and make sure we don't take artistic licenses that offend you? Right now, the predators are a fictional alien species with a lot left up to speculation. People can do whatever they want with them, and provide reasons for doing so- or not. I'm just trying to understand why you feel the need to push your rules down other people's throats.
I do agree female predators ought to be left to speculation and not shown in movies. There's only one reason to see a female predator in my mind, and that's to see a female protagonist finally take down a predator- and we really don't even need a female predator for that.
milking cows utter is ridiculous . nursing elephants have boobs. just because an apes tits are small doesn't make up for having the most horrifying ass in the known universe .
this thread has gone off the rails .
because the only plot detail known is it might feature a female predator . i do appreciate the energy though. just seems like the wrong way too use it..
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 24, 2014, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: Tarak'ha on Dec 24, 2014, 11:11:08 AMConsidering things such as breasts and hips as "Human" leads to a very narrow mindset.
Apart from the fact humans are the only species on the planet to have such pronounced female breasts... Even apes don't have anything like that. That's narrow minded.
Sorry for contributing to it going off the rails, I guess what can done with a female predator is a touchy subject. Anyway, whatever they do with the predator, there's a part of me that's still holding out for the main protagonist being a woman- I really really want to see that.
Quote from: Sagittarius on Dec 24, 2014, 06:07:08 PMSo you don't like it, why should the rest of us care what you think?
Conversely, why should we care what
you think?
We were debating it. No need to get so touchy over it.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 24, 2014, 06:58:36 AM
I like Queen Aliens, I like male Blooded Hunters
I grew up with AvP Prey. Everyone has his or her personal taste
Agreed with this one hundred and fifty percent.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 24, 2014, 07:51:30 PM
Quote from: Sagittarius on Dec 24, 2014, 06:07:08 PMSo you don't like it, why should the rest of us care what you think?
Conversely, why should we care what you think?
We were debating it. No need to get so touchy over it.
You're right, I really shouldn't care what any of you think. I'm just wondering why you guys blow up at the thought trying to easily convey a female predator in a movie. So try to forgive me for trying to understand, just my nature. Maybe I'll just give this rest.
Quote from: Sagittarius on Dec 24, 2014, 09:10:32 PMYou're right, I really shouldn't care what any of you think. I'm just wondering why you guys blow up at the thought trying to easily convey a female predator in a movie. So try to forgive me for trying to understand, just my nature. Maybe I'll just give this rest.
I just think giving a female Pred a clichéd female figure is a really lame, unimaginative way of doing it, and can't really understand why people think that's a good route to go down. There seems to be an obsession in fan art in particular with making Mrs. predator some kind of mandibled love-Goddess, which is both kinda stupid and inappropriate for what the Predator is as a character. I really hope they go for something more thoughtful if they put a female on film.
We're just having a nice debate about why we think the idea of a a humanized female figure for Predators is a bad idea. If we can sway others into out way of thinking, so what? If not, no harm. We'll just go on disagreeing. No-one is shoving anything down anyones throat. It's what these sort of places are for. :)
I can say that while seeing things from a Predator's perspective is something best left to the expanded universe, where as the films are better left treated to a human's point of view of things. I mean, as much as I would like a Predator film where it takes cues from Clan of the Cave Bear from a narrative standpoint, I can say that's only a fan's pipe-dream and something that will NEVER happen. That's just something left best to the expanded universe, which... people have issues with already.
I agree with RakaiThwei. I prefer leaving the female predator a mystery. I guess I was just trying to come from the side if the female predator is brought in, she's not going to be a super model, if anything more like an olympian (http://www.pinterest.com/pin/158329743121386929/) athlete (http://www.pinterest.com/pin/493355334149507776/)- if they do that route and I personally like. And I agree, Aphrodite predators are dumb and would be a horrible looking costume. I wouldn't know how they would be able to accomplish that without making it look ridiculous. But again, to each their own. As for other fans, well, fans are going to do what fans are going to do, nature of the beast :D
Well Sagittarius, I never said that we should leave the females off-screen. I am saying that we shouldn't expect a Predator movie from the Predator's point of view ala Clan of the Cave Bear, but rather leave that aspect to the expanded universe. We almost did end up getting a female Predator in Rodriguez's PREDATORS-- Michael Broom even drew up concept art. And while I liked Broom's concept art, I can see where Hicks and Burne are coming from.. She looked like a super model, and we shouldn't get that for a female Hunter.
Also, I do agree that the Predator is an alien but I also do believe that it is a theraspid. I don't entirely believe that is all reptilian, or all mammalian either. We don't know though the EU does mention females having exaggerated female proportions as far as the Yautja concept of the EU is concerned. Of course one COULD argue that the Yautja concept is potentially canon as Fox has used that term in a number of things but some fans only go by what is on screen, and what is heard on screen. And then... there is the Hish mythos which suggest the Predators are both male and female, switching genders involuntarily... Personally, I hate the Hish mythos.
I am not against the idea of a female Predator. I welcome the idea but it's all about presentation and design. I say look at female bodybuilders and perhaps female power lifters as a springboard. If there should be hints that the creature is going to be female, then suggest it in the bone structure. Maybe ornamental additions as well, as someone mentioned longer tresses.
On a non-canonical and unofficial note-- We did get a female Predator in Pete Mander's SEED.
I think a lot of us are on the same page that a female predator shouldn't be a super model, it would look horrible in costume form. I'm going to stop now, I feel like I'm going in circles. I've mentioned longer, more ornamented dreads, and olympian athletes as a compromise. But I feel like that's all been ignored. So until we start talking about other things that can be brought up in Shane's up coming predator movie, I'm just going to move on.
Well we really don't know any details on what is going to be put in Shane's movie. After PREDATORS, I've become less enthralled and enthusiastic about the franchise(s). I didn't like the direction which PREDATORS went in.. But I feel like we are in good hands with Shane Black, as he had an uncredited re-write of the first film's shooting script. I personally wonder what the re-writes which he did happened to be. But the guy penning the story for Shane's movie.. Fred Dekker, is a guy whom.. I'm a little bit cautious about.
Let me say that I liked Fred Dekker and Shane's work such as Night of the Living Creeps, and Monster Squad. Those movies were awesome, and I can say that I feel we really are in good hands but... when I think of Fred Dekker, I think of those two aforementioned movies but I also think of the one sequel I wish he hadn't done-- namely Robocop 3. That movie killed his directing career.
Also, I get the feeling that they are aiming for something BIG. Personally.. I don't want BIG. Predator has been anything but BIG as far as a narrative is concerned as the previous entries (AVP included-- Requiem excluded) were all isolated incidents. Just focus on the hunt. We don't need to see Predator politics, we don't need to see their society (we do know they are a clan based society similarly to Native Americans and Maori tribes-- leave that alone, we don't need Predator Kings and Queens).
The whole idea of not knowing anything is what has me on edge. It could be ANYTHING at this point, but I just hope we don't get something of a repeat of PREDATORS.
I'm wondering if Shane will be touching Predator culture.. And if he does, well.. I just hope he doesn't go balls out insane with it. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing something of an establishment of how each clan has a different culture-- similarly to Native American tribes. For example, if you compare an Apache with an Iroquois, the differences are there. Different clans, different cultures with different customs. I wouldn't mind seeing an emphasis and a little expansion on that.
I would say my preference for male predators is mainly aesthetic...I don't think boobs and round hips look cool on a savage intergalactic hunters
As for why I like the fact that the Yautja hunters in the novels are male, it's mainly because the themes of Predator are really masculine. The major theme of the Predator franchise is the morality of violence and the tendency toward violence and domination. Predator culture seems to be hypermasculine and revolves around the principle of "might is right".
Generally, males are much more violent and aggressive than females. I feel that male predators fit this theme more. This is just my personal opinion.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2014, 12:34:26 PMThe Yautja culture is a fabrication of the EU for a novel in which we're supposed to be able to understand the more complex motivation of the creatures. And this culture is not in the films which we're talking about.
You could argue that Perry's Yautja culture is heavily inspired by the clan/elder scene in Predator 2
AvP the comic was released in 1989 and Predator 2 was released in 1990. I'm not sure if the original comic had any influence on Predator 2 or vice versa.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 25, 2014, 02:16:57 AM
AvP the comic was released in 1989 and Predator 2 was released in 1990. I'm not sure if the original comic had any influence on Predator 2 or vice versa.
I would say that the AvP comic had a tiny bit of influence.. In that we saw an Alien skull in the trophy room. Everything else was the Thomas Brothers.
The Yautja concept came from the novels which.. I think were published from '94 - '99, I think.
Prey novelisation is 1994
A pretty good argument could be made that the Yautja culture has its roots in Predator 2 (1990). Jungle Hunter comes across as a sadistic cat playing with a seemingly helpless mouse. Based on that alone, it's not clear that predators have any notion of honour or respect for resourceful prey. Toying with an opponent doesn't really smack of honour.
The Elder in Predator 2 clearly respects Harrigan and acknowledges his victory. There's something more to the hunt than pure sport. If an animal mauls a human hunter to death and his buddies are around, they'd probably just shoot the animal. Elder actually gives Harrigan a trophy for his efforts.
I think the Dachande character may have been inspired by the P2 Elder.
Yeah, I know. I had to look them up because all my books are in storage and all the way in my home state. God do I really, really miss having my stuff. :-\
One could argue that the Yautja concept came from Predator 2, and I believe Steve Perry made something of a statement regarding that but of course I could be mistaken so don't take my word on that. I do like the Yautja concept, and like you HappyPred, it's something which I had happened to grow up with. In regards to Diablo (I refuse to call him Jungle Hunter, lame name to give him), we can't assume he came from the Lost Clan, or even the Dark Blade (assuming the AvP Predators are Dark Blade-- I personally believe that they are along with the Hunters from AvP 2010). I would think that he hails from a different clan that.. is perhaps not as binding to the code of ethics as far as hunting is concerned. Also we need to take into account that he wasn't really being watched, so he could get away with a lot more as he was a lone Hunter.
I also would think that the Elder is perhaps more.. lenient as he has experienced all sorts of prey and hunts in his years to where he knows what humans are clearly more than capable of. Assuming we take Predator: 1718 as canon, there is a mutual respect shared between the Elder (at the time known as Golden Angel) and Raphael Adolini. So as it seems.. when a Predator is killed by a formidable prey, it's kind of something to notice and a reminder to them why they hunt humans.
And if we take the first AvP as canon, then this is also extended to the Elder in that movie. Alexa Woods had managed to aid Scar in taking down an Alien Queen, and for that, she was given a token gift by the Elder. It seems that Predators seem to have an understanding or respect for bravery. So the Elder honored her with a gift.. Of course, that's my interpretation.
Dachande could be inspired by Greyback... as far as the novel interpretation is concerned. But we need to remember that Dachande was around before, as Alien vs Predator was published in 1989 in comic format. But I think that it's sheer coincidence that the "honorable hunter" shared fair but firm characteristics with the Elder in Predator 2. I don't think the Thomas Brothers even looked at the comics when they were writing Predator 2.
Arnold has to be the star! I've written my own screenplay for it.
Quote from: Liberator on Dec 28, 2014, 01:53:56 AM
Arnold has to be the star!
Every fan's wet dream.. It maybe a possibility considering that he's back in the action scene. Personally, I wouldn't want him back. I don't want to see a near or at 70 year old Arnold tangling with a Predator.
If a female Predator does happen to be in the movie, and has a feminine form, would that be a deal.breaker to those of you who aren't into that look?
Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 29, 2014, 07:03:05 AM
If a female Predator does happen to be in the movie, and has a feminine form, would that be a deal.breaker to those of you who aren't into that look?
If she winds up looking like a super model, or.. Michael Broom's concept art? Potentially but it would take more than that to be a deal breaker for me to see the movie.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 29, 2014, 07:03:05 AM
If a female Predator does happen to be in the movie, and has a feminine form, would that be a deal.breaker to those of you who aren't into that look?
If she's humanized, I wont be pleased.
Is 2016 a realistic expectation for this movie?
Quote from: overthere on Dec 29, 2014, 02:31:57 PM
Is 2016 a realistic expectation for this movie?
Possibly..
Though PREDATORS was announced in.. late 2008 and was released mid-2010. So I'd say maybe 2016 to 2017.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 29, 2014, 07:46:17 AM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 29, 2014, 07:03:05 AM
If a female Predator does happen to be in the movie, and has a feminine form, would that be a deal.breaker to those of you who aren't into that look?
If she winds up looking like a super model, or.. Michael Broom's concept art? Potentially but it would take more than that to be a deal breaker for me to see the movie.
Ah, Broom's female Predator, I liked that one.
But, what about these, which I'm sure you guys have seen dozens of times (inb4uthinktheyreatrocious), but I'd like to know your opinion anyway.
http://www.thehunterslair.com/uploads/monthly_11_2013/post-6402-0-68496300-1384452839.jpg (http://www.thehunterslair.com/uploads/monthly_11_2013/post-6402-0-68496300-1384452839.jpg)
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs20/f/2007/298/8/e/Queen_Predator_by_TheBigGunns.jpg (http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs20/f/2007/298/8/e/Queen_Predator_by_TheBigGunns.jpg)
Female forms, but not exaggerated, and the different head shapes and dreadlock placing are a nice touch as well I think. I'd only make the mandibles more prominent on the second one. I think those designs strike a good balance between a female form, and other creative differences between males. But that's me.
As for release date, 2016 would be great, I'd really love to know more about the movie ASAP, but it's gonna be a long time before we get substantial info. All we got know is it's an "inventive sequel" and Shane Black can't comment on females. :-\
Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 29, 2014, 08:34:17 PMBut, what about these, which I'm sure you guys have seen dozens of times (inb4uthinktheyreatrocious), but I'd like to know your opinion anyway.
http://www.thehunterslair.com/uploads/monthly_11_2013/post-6402-0-68496300-1384452839.jpg (http://www.thehunterslair.com/uploads/monthly_11_2013/post-6402-0-68496300-1384452839.jpg)
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs20/f/2007/298/8/e/Queen_Predator_by_TheBigGunns.jpg (http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs20/f/2007/298/8/e/Queen_Predator_by_TheBigGunns.jpg)
Female forms, but not exaggerated, and the different head shapes and dreadlock placing are a nice touch as well I think. I'd only make the mandibles more prominent on the second one. I think those designs strike a good balance between a female form, and other creative differences between males. But that's me.
How is that second one not exaggerated? That's exactly the kind of daft, Amazonian warrior princess look I hate. It looks totally ridiculous.
Hm, compared to Michael Broom's, I thought it was pretty tame,
This one which you linked I thought looked good for a starting point.
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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 29, 2014, 10:21:01 PM
This one which you linked I thought looked good for a starting point.
http://www.thehunterslair.com/uploads/monthly_11_2013/post-6402-0-68496300-1384452839.jpg
I like the head on that one better than the second. So it's good for a starting point you say? What would you change? Well besides the breasts and all. :P
Quote from: The Shuriken on Dec 29, 2014, 10:34:54 PM
I like the head on that one better than the second. So it's good for a starting point you say? What would you change? Well besides the breasts and all. :P
If anything the breast look like small mounds more than anything so I don't think they would be THAT much of a problem for me. Really I don't think there is much to change but I would add more armor onto the legs. Have something covering the sides of the legs to give more protection.
Here's a close up I found, but with no arms...I guess it's a statue?
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I like the design of the head and the robust and athletic figure but.. the under boobage? I think we could all do without that.
I can dig the minor physical changes to the head, making it obvious it's different to the previous Predators. Could do without the boobs though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2014, 08:31:08 AM
Could do without the boobs though.
I think a lot of us could do without them. Personally, I don't mind as long as they aren't Denise Milani or Leanne Crow sized boobs. Female Hunters need to either have little mounds or simply be flat.. most likely flat considering the heavy intensive activity which Predators often participate in.
But I don't care if we get a male or female Hunter.. I just want don't want to see unnecessary additions to the Predator culture, or biology for that matter. If you ask me, I think we've seen enough of the culture so.. I could do without more looks into the culture. Just focus on the Hunt.
http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/the-sexual-predator-marco-mazzoni-arnold-get-to-the-choppa-alien-terminator.jpg (http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/the-sexual-predator-marco-mazzoni-arnold-get-to-the-choppa-alien-terminator.jpg)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 30, 2014, 08:37:27 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2014, 08:31:08 AM
Could do without the boobs though.
I think a lot of us could do without them. Personally, I don't mind as long as they aren't Denise Milani or Leanne Crow sized boobs. Female Hunters need to either have little mounds or simply be flat.. most likely flat considering the heavy intensive activity which Predators often participate in.
But I don't care if we get a male or female Hunter.. I just want don't want to see unnecessary additions to the Predator culture, or biology for that matter. If you ask me, I think we've seen enough of the culture so.. I could do without more looks into the culture. Just focus on the Hunt.
If I'm honest, in comparison to the Alien films- I feel like we know absolutely nothing about Predators.
I admit I do sorry about that sometimes. I'm always weary of something that will ruin the mythos. But I have faith in Shane Black, I think he will do us justice.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Dec 30, 2014, 06:04:32 PM
If I'm honest, in comparison to the Alien films- I feel like we know absolutely nothing about Predators.
Well, let's go over what we do know from a standpoint of the films only.
We do know that they come down to Earth and have been visiting for a long time to participate in hunts. They likely have been coming down for thousands of years. To them we are one of the most dangerous big game around.
We do know that they are a clan based society. There is an alpha at the head of every clan and they usually coordinate the hunt. These alphas are usually highly respected in their clans and for good reason. Hunters can either hunt alone or hunt in packs.
Predators have a sense of honor or if you don't like the "H" word, then let's say at the least a guideline of ethics. Predators seemingly have restrictions on what is considered fair game and what isn't. If a prey isn't armed or is deemed dangerous, it's not really worth hunting and making a trophy. If a prey is considered terminally ill, it is not seen as worthy. If a prey happens to be female and with child, it's generally considered hands off and taboo. If a hunter is killed in the presence of another hunter or it's clan, the prey is often given something of a token of respect-- primary case would be Harrigan.
Assuming if we count the AvP films as part of the mythos or a side-story continuity, and this is just an assumption-- we do know that Predators have not only been visiting Earth but at some point they were interpreted as deities and worshiped as such. They've also been harvesting and breeding Xenomorphs for blooding rituals. They also build pyramids which reconfigure.
There appears to be two different races of Predators, or sub-species. The mainstream Predators who we've seen in the previous two films (four if the AvP films are counted) and then there are the Super Predators, alternatively known as the Berserkers. The relationship between the two species is considered antagonistic. The Super Predators seemingly abduct their prey and place them onto the game preserve planet, this likely includes the mainstream Predators-- as Nolan did say "The bigger ones hunt the smaller ones" and we see mainstream Predator remains in the camp.
Clan disputes do happen for a variety of reasons. We don't know what those reasons are but they do happen. Often they are bloody and violent and usually are resolved until an entire clan is exterminated-- at least this is what PREDATORS has shown us.
Off the top of my head, going over all of the films.. this is what I've gathered as far us "knowing" about the Predators from a cultural standpoint. As far as a biological standpoint.. we really don't know much. And this is just counting only the films.. I could've accounted for the expanded universe but from what I've gathered, people here on this forum don't count the EU.
If they really need female predator to expand story,go for Machiko and her story i do more pleased to looking forward then boobies predator.
Quote from: Lotus on Dec 30, 2014, 10:48:52 PM
If they really need female predator to expand story,go for Machiko and her story i do more pleased to looking forward then boobies predator.
Shane has no reason to go for the expanded universe unless directed to do so by Fox. Shane especially has no reason to look at the old EU since that's discontinued and rebooted (again). The time and opportunity to put Machiko in a movie has long, long since passed by about a decade.. Maybe two decades.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 30, 2014, 11:02:26 PM
Shane has no reason to go for the expanded universe unless directed to do so by Fox. Shane especially has no reason to look at the old EU since that's discontinued and rebooted (again). The time and opportunity to put Machiko in a movie has long, long since passed by about a decade.. Maybe two decades.
But this is a good thing -- it appears (and I stand to be corrected but the SiLs and Rakai's of this world) that there's a more cohesive approach at the moment? One of the issues you have with EUs is that they - eventually - become convoluted and contradictory.
And, to be honest, as Rakai points out, the films are a rich enough base - and we know that P1, P2 and indeed Ps are based in the same reality (let's not start the AU AvP debate here). Shane has said that this is a sequel, so I'm hoping for some references to what's gone on before. I think I was ranting if they don't have Arnie in a support role, the tough commando / assassin lady (because there will be a tough lady in the group) should be called Schaefer and mention that her family had "history with those things."
Quote from: Russ on Dec 31, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
But this is a good thing -- it appears (and I stand to be corrected but the SiLs and Rakai's of this world) that there's a more cohesive approach at the moment? One of the issues you have with EUs is that they - eventually - become convoluted and contradictory.
I am honored that you lump me in with the likes of SiL but I don't feel worthy to be placed next to him. SiL can be intimidating at times, but you have to admit-- the guy knows his stuff when it comes to Alien and Predator things. I am more of a Predator aficionado more than Alien, so I don't know as much of the technical things as far as the realm of Alien is concerned. Where as with Predator and AvP, I'm more familiar with. But SiL knows a lot more than I do. I can concede that.
As far as the Expanded Universe goes.. More I look at the old stuff, the less I become worried about the new as I am becoming disillusioned on what is canon and what isn't as far as the EU is concerned. What I am saying is that EU material, as expansive and as fun as it is is nothing more than just glorified filler until more relevant material is concerned. The only franchise which I knew which treated it's filler material as genuine bonafide canon was Star Wars prior to Disney's reboot. So over the years I treated Alien-Predator EU similarly to how Star Wars fans treated their EU.
But I do agree with Russ, with EU stuff it eventually becomes so expansive that it's become convoluted and contradictory. And while the old EU had it's share of problems, the newer EU already has some showing.. case in point, the Derelict in River of Pain and it's placement of the pilot's room and egg chamber. There were other issues as well but I think they were minor enough to be overlooked.. though someone mentioned Amanda having children when the movies stated she didn't..
As far as EU is concerned.. it's just filler. Take that as you will.
Quote from: Russ on Dec 31, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
And, to be honest, as Rakai points out, the films are a rich enough base - and we know that P1, P2 and indeed Ps are based in the same reality (let's not start the AU AvP debate here). Shane has said that this is a sequel, so I'm hoping for some references to what's gone on before. I think I was ranting if they don't have Arnie in a support role, the tough commando / assassin lady (because there will be a tough lady in the group) should be called Schaefer and mention that her family had "history with those things."
As far as Predator canon is concerned, the films have a very loose continuity which isn't as tied down as Alien continuity. If anything all five films (AvP's included to get my point across) should be looked at quite similar to the Godzilla continuity paths which are laid out. In fact some of the movies belong to more than one continuity. So.. I don't see a reason why the Predator movies shouldn't be looked at in the same manner as the Godzilla franchise. Or even the Halloween franchise. For whatever reason, some fans seem to have a real beef with that idea.
And Russ, as far as PREDATORS and it's placement in the movies are concerned... Well, I can say I don't agree that it is meant to be a sequel to Predator 2 but the first and only the first. Of course I'm only saying this based on Rodriguez's intent and his statement. Of course, Antal's statement doesn't corroborate with Roddy's statement. So.. I'm leaving it at that.
Also, we don't know if Shane's movie will be taking place either after Predator, Predator 2 or Predators. It could be a direct sequel to any of those movies. He might do a movie which is his version of Predator 2, he might do a movie which could be a definitive Predator 3. We don't know. Personally.. I hope his movie ignores PREDATORS.
Wow, big answer, thanks man. What I meant was that the P1, P2 and Ps reference each other, but they're unrelated in terms of character and all that. They're more like "sidequels" aren't they.
I think that Predators is the toughest to fit into any sort of cohesive flow, but it could be referenced ("We have a ship. It was brought back by a merc called Royce and an IDF sniper. They ditched in the Urals - ship was smashed." "What about Royce and the sniper." "Didn't make it.")
As for Ellen and Amanda Ripley... I read on here that Ellen's inclusion in the new novels were pretty much a mandate from Fox... I'm not sure that's a great idea myself but I guess its all about accessibility? Not everyone that will buy the book is a member of this forum and a die hard fan so they equate Aliens with Ripley so she had to be there. Sometimes I think these guys should credit the general populace with a bit more intelligence, but there we are.
I'm not really a gamer, so I've not played Isolation - but I recall there was some wailing and teeth gnashing at the inclusion of Amanda... which died down after the game came out to rave reviews. Still, her inclusion is "nice" but I wonder where they will go with her... we know that she got married and died in her 50s (I think?)... I guess that's what doesn't sit well with fans - we know how its going to end?
Now, if Isolation had had Alice Kane as its lead character, it'd be less cut and dried. But again, a Kane reference would like be too vague for most casual viewers... though, as I type, Kane's scion would have as much motivation for finding out what happened as Amanda.
I hope Shane Black's sequel is called Predator 3 honestly, then people can either treat Predators as a spin-off, ignore it entirely or equate it with Predator 2 as Rodriguez does.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Jan 01, 2015, 05:20:52 PM
I hope Shane Black's sequel is called Predator 3 honestly, then people can either treat Predators as a spin-off, ignore it entirely or equate it with Predator 2 as Rodriguez does.
You know... I wouldn't have a problem with that.
The problem with Shane Black's sequel being Predator 3 is that Fox does view Predators as a sequel since I remember Fox was like "This is our first solo Predator film in 20 years!".
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Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 02, 2015, 09:53:56 PM
The problem with Shane Black's sequel being Predator 3 is that Fox does view Predators as a sequel since I remember Fox was like "This is our first solo Predator film in 20 years!".
Yeah but there are different statements coming from people who made PREDATORS. Rodriguez intended and said that the movie took place after the first, and willfully ignored the other sequels. Predator 2 included, which was why there was no mention of the events of Los Angeles 1997. Of course, you could say that the subtle references such as the different vision modes are a reference to Predator 2 but then the whole hologramic imagine of Earth could also be seen as a reference to AvP as well. And then there is Antal's statement which a lot of people cling onto..
PREDATORS has a very loose continuity in relationship to the other movies. But personally, I go by Rodriguez's word since he wrote the movie and produced it and likely had final word. Sure.. Antal's statement is there and people take it more than Roddy's (let's face it, Predator 2 was cool but not a lot of people liked AvP-- which if you ask me, is the reason why people consider PREDATORS as Predator 3 because they want to keep P2. At least that's how I see it from a fandom perspective).
As for AvP-- well.. It was made in mind to act as a sequel to Predator 2 but it could be considered a spin-off or rather if you will, an alternate side continuity. Kind of like how Halloween has two different continuities, or better yet, look at the Godzilla franchise. I mean so far Fox hasn't exactly commented on the canonicity of things. However.. their proactive approach to things regarding the EU and Prometheus leaves a lot of things to discussion.
But as for the AvP of the franchise triangle.. aside from an EU standpoint, it's looking like AvP is left in the dark. Whatever Shane's ideas are, I just hope he doesn't borrow elements from Rodriguez's movie. I didn't like Rodriguez's movie for a variety of reasons, and that movie sort of started to push me away as a fan. Whatever Shane's ideas are, I just hope that they aren't something which will leave me further disappointed and me wanting to leave the franchise and fandom with a bitter taste.
What scares me about not knowing things is if Shane is going to show more of Predator culture. I think that aspect was shown well enough in the last few films. AVP included. But if he wants to show more, I just hope he doesn't add something stupid like Litvak and Finch did for Rodriguez's movie.
But I agree with Son of Kane, and I wouldn't mind if Shane's movie is labeled Predator 3.
I think he's pretty much said it's P3 - not a reboot, sidequel or retcon.
tmjhur on the big Blomkamp thread said that he's excited by what's happening at Fox at the moment and that something big is cooking. I came to this thread thinking about that and I think tmjhur has a point.
Tossing out the old EU, New novels, new comics, new game, new word on "Paradise", that big book that SM worked on, this movie with Shane. That's a lot of movement on a "dead" franchise.
Look, whatever happens with Shane's movie, it will follow the BS2 (the Blake Snyder Beat Sheet). Virtually all Hollywood movies follow this template, but I think that the two guys who wrote "Herbie: Fully Loaded" put it best when they say "Put a a guy in a tree. Throw rocks at him. Get him out of the tree." (And the guys who wrote "Herbie: Fully Loaded have written the best "how to" screen writing guide ever. They don't care that they write shit, only that they get paid shitloads. It's an amazing and funny book.).
I digress - I very much doubt if Predator 3 will be risk-taking film - like, we often read on here "I want a film in Yatjua language from the Predators point of view" - that won't happen. I will take a forfeit on that too - If it does, I'll go get a a back, sack and crack wax.
If tmjhur is right (or even partly right) Shane's movie may function in a wider universe that we don't even know is being built. The shared universe stuff is hot right now -- Disney and WB are doing it with Marvel and DC. Then again, Fox does have Star Wars! But that's pitching at a whole other audience.
I've always thought that where Star Wars went wrong with the last three was pitching them at kids. These new ones will have to be kid friendly now, I guess, but Lucas missed a trick with the prequels and they should have been marketed at the 30somethings who pay big bucks on merchandise and will keep buying recuts for ever. Most (not all) kids are pretty transient with their crazes because there's so much choice now - this week its Star Wars, next week The Avengers, then we have Lord of the Rings... Oh look it's Superman. In the 70s and 80s we had dick in the way of TV and movies compared to now. But SWVII, that "sell it to the grown ups" ship has sailed.
Aliens and Predator, however, don't suffer from that need to appease younger viewers. I think AvP succeeded in that it probably got a lot of younger people into the franchise (those teens will be 20somethings now), but even the most ardent AvP hater couldn't say that the movie was pitched and made with kids in mind.
So maybe - just maybe - tmjhur is on the right lines and we could be getting a whole load of new stuff from Fox for us gnarly grown ups. Maybe someone there has realised that the older folks are the ones with the disposable incomes who will keep paying for stuff over and over again *lol*.
Maybe there's life in the old alien and predator dogs yet.
But as I say above, I really think that P3 will be a safe film, but I wonder if it will serve to set something bigger up. That seems to be the trend at the moment anyway - "I have a franchise and I'm gonna use it."
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Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:46:30 AM
I think he's pretty much said it's P3 - not a reboot, sidequel or retcon.
I know that Antal said he considered it the third film, but Rodriguez equated it to being his version of the second. There are interviews of Rodriguez saying that if he did a sequel, he'd name the PREDATORS sequel as Predator 3. But that's neither here nor there now.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:46:30 AM
Tossing out the old EU, New novels, new comics, new game, new word on "Paradise", that big book that SM worked on, this movie with Shane. That's a lot of movement on a "dead" franchise.
That's... why I have a problem with the new stuff. Just the approach that it was done with. Like how you said, tossing out the EU stuff and everything. Star Wars gets everything in the last thirty or so years under a "Legends" banner. What pisses me off a bit is that for us fans who liked the old EU don't even get that. But then again... this is the second time the old EU was rebooted. Remember the Hish mythos? That supposedly rebooted the Yautja stuff.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:46:30 AM
I digress - I very much doubt if Predator 3 will be risk-taking film - like, we often read on here "I want a film in Yatjua language from the Predators point of view" - that won't happen. I will take a forfeit on that too - If it does, I'll go get a a back, sack and crack wax.
Shane's movie is going to be an "inventive" sequel. Whatever "inventive" ideas are in mind.. I just hope it's something that isn't too radical like PREDATORS was. I mean I get that PREDATORS wanted to expand things a little bit but I felt that Rodriguez and company completely missed what Predator was all about. What I mean by that was the whole idea of a Hunter coming down to other planets to hunt dangerous game. The preserve planet idea is like.. taking toothed and declawed animals, and hunting them with military grade weaponry and completely defeating the purpose of a thrilling hunt which was what the first two movies were about. Also I felt that the Super Predators devalued the original concept of the creature.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:46:30 AM
If tmjhur is right (or even partly right) Shane's movie may function in a wider universe that we don't even know is being built. The shared universe stuff is hot right now -- Disney and WB are doing it with Marvel and DC. Then again, Fox does have Star Wars! But that's pitching at a whole other audience.
Hollywood seems to be following a trend, and what works for Marvel and DC... may not entirely work for other franchises out there. You have to remember that Alien and Predator started off as two separate universes that had nothing to do with one another. Then the connections were made in comics-- something relatively obscure to the average joe blow movie go'er. The two movies were never part of the same universe until Predator 2 hinted it with the Xenomorph skull. Then people got talking. Then we got the AvP films... Whether or not you count them is up to an individual fan but the whole shared universe thing? Well.. what works for Marvel and DC, may not exactly work for Alien and Predator.
I mean the whole shared universe thing with Alien and Predator started off as a comic book. But right now, I am just preaching to the choir. But from how I am seeing it anyway, for Fox to take the approach of taking the old EU (as far as AvP's original shared universe concept is concerned) and tossing it out.. well, they're taking the original core and replacing it with a new core. In other words... You're replacing an old car engine, and replacing it with a different manufactured one. Does it run the same?
Also, Fox only distributed Star Wars when Lucasfilm owned the property. Disney now owns the IP one hundred percent.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:46:30 AM
So maybe - just maybe - tmjhur is on the right lines and we could be getting a whole load of new stuff from Fox for us gnarly grown ups. Maybe someone there has realised that the older folks are the ones with the disposable incomes who will keep paying for stuff over and over again *lol*.
Oh there is no doubt that Fox is not going to be stopping putting out Alien and Predator stuff. Sure there are a few dry years here and there but then they put out merchandise and new stuff. Every franchise does this. But personally, I.. am not really feeling too much of the new stuff since PREDATORS and while I did like Prometheus, including Predator with that seems... I don't know a word for it but I felt Predator needs to be left out of that Prometheus stuff.
I have hope for Shane's movie.. I love a lot of his work as well as Fred Dekker, who is penning the script. I loved Night of the Creeps, Monster Squad was hella great, Ricochet was f**king great, and A Long Kiss Goodnight was interesting.. The only red flag about Dekker is the fact he wrote and directed Robocop 3.. and I love the Robocop franchise too but that movie killed his career and the Robocop franchise until it was resurrected with a reboot that came nineteen years later. Dekker even admitted it in an interview the folks over at Robocop Archive.
But I am cautiously optimistic.
I want this to be good.. I want this to be a movie I can like.. I truly do as my faith is in Shane, considering he did last minute rewrites with the first movie.
I have a scene in my head for the next movie. Someone from the military knocks on Arnold's and Danny's doors and tells them "Mr. Schaefer/ Mr. Harrigan, it's happening again."
They'd be used for minor roles, they wouldn't fight the predator. We'd have a glimpse at Arnold's house where we see he's obsessed with predators, his walls are all covered in printed newspapers articles and research he's done about them and he's become a very quiet and paranoid person, thinking they'd come back for him one day. A bunch of "Missing person" articles are on his wall, including Adrian Brody.
Danny is in a bit better mental condition cause it just didn't seem like the whole thing bothered him too much.
They sit them together in a briefing room and explain to them they have a reason to believe the hunt is happening again and want to use everything they know about these creatures and want their ideas how to stop it.
So we see the Predator hunt for a while, we see cool gory scenes of him killing people somewhere, but eventually he gets captured with Danny's and Arnold's help (not physical help, just their ideas). What happens next is similar to one comic I read when a Predator was captured and studied.
Arnold sees the captured Predator and his PTSD kicks in, he's all depressed and paranoid and scared.
Now, in the comics, other Predators come to bust out the captured Predator, but I'm wondering if that's really what would happen. On their home planet, sure, but on Earth, I think nobody would come help this Predator because they're lone warriors. It's not like he'd squeal information and rat out their friends. But maybe this captured Predator breaks out on his own and here's opportunity for action scenes inside the facility he's captured in. He breaks out, finds his mask and equipment and wreaks havoc. During his escape, Predator kills a bunch of soldiers, but here comes a cool scene: He sees Danny and Arnold and leaves them alone, doesn't attack them, just passes by them with as respectful look as Predator can have.
Not sure if this scene causes Arnold to have a complete mental breakdown, or he gets his peace knowing they won't ever hunt him again.
Now that I've written all this, I really love it, I might just write a whole script on this and send it to Fox. Dekker and Black who?
Bottom line, what this next movie needs is a hunt, but not just that. We've already seen that. We need a new twist about it, and what's better than a captured Predator where they can study him for a bit, before he breaks out and kills everyone but Arnold and Danny? Just not sure if during that break out he destroys all evidence of his existence. Probably, because they need to remain unknown.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 09:28:22 AM
That's... why I have a problem with the new stuff. Just the approach that it was done with. Like how you said, tossing out the EU stuff and everything. Star Wars gets everything in the last thirty or so years under a "Legends" banner. What pisses me off a bit is that for us fans who liked the old EU don't even get that. But then again... this is the second time the old EU was rebooted. Remember the Hish mythos? That supposedly rebooted the Yautja stuff.
Sure, but that stuff will always be there. A great deletion just means that people can get their ducks in a row. I guess back in the 80s, there really wasn't the continuity headache we have today. DC had a massive reboot in the mid-80s and have done twice or three times since, but with movie franchises (James Bond, Rocky, Rambo, Magnificent Seven, Star Wars, Terminator, Indiana Jones) there wasn't the scrutiny and immediacy of internet communication. Years went past between movies coming out, there was no real thought into "wider universes" where people were demanding that their shit tied together.
Things have moved on, I guess.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:46:30 AM
I digress - I very much doubt if Predator 3 will be risk-taking film - like, we often read on here "I want a film in Yatjua language from the Predators point of view" - that won't happen. I will take a forfeit on that too - If it does, I'll go get a a back, sack and crack wax.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 09:28:22 AM
Shane's movie is going to be an "inventive" sequel. Whatever "inventive" ideas are in mind.. I just hope it's something that isn't too radical like PREDATORS was. I mean I get that PREDATORS wanted to expand things a little bit but I felt that Rodriguez and company completely missed what Predator was all about. What I mean by that was the whole idea of a Hunter coming down to other planets to hunt dangerous game. The preserve planet idea is like.. taking toothed and declawed animals, and hunting them with military grade weaponry and completely defeating the purpose of a thrilling hunt which was what the first two movies were about. Also I felt that the Super Predators devalued the original concept of the creature.
Sure, but inventive could mean "set in the future with a female protagonist called Schaeffer." Or it could mean crash landed predator ship, Area 51, predator stalking marines like an alien would."
You nail it with "missing the point" though. There was literally no hope and no payoff for the human predators in RodAntal's movie. They were there, they were going to die eventually. That goes against the honourable hunt (like the end of P2 - "Take it..." and even AvP for that matter). But, I guess you can see why RodAntal made the decisions they did because they were adhering to the Hollywood adage: "Give me the same. Only different."
I don't agree with the SuperPreds - for me, they're just a different race. It's not too much of a stretch to think that a space-faring race would have different types of "person." But I know they're a sore point. Were they needed? No. But... "Give me the same. But different."
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 09:28:22 AM
Hollywood seems to be following a trend, and what works for Marvel and DC... may not entirely work for other franchises out there. You have to remember that Alien and Predator started off as two separate universes that had nothing to do with one another. Then the connections were made in comics-- something relatively obscure to the average joe blow movie go'er. The two movies were never part of the same universe until Predator 2 hinted it with the Xenomorph skull. Then people got talking. Then we got the AvP films... Whether or not you count them is up to an individual fan but the whole shared universe thing? Well.. what works for Marvel and DC, may not exactly work for Alien and Predator.
I mean the whole shared universe thing with Alien and Predator started off as a comic book. But right now, I am just preaching to the choir. But from how I am seeing it anyway, for Fox to take the approach of taking the old EU (as far as AvP's original shared universe concept is concerned) and tossing it out.. well, they're taking the original core and replacing it with a new core. In other words... You're replacing an old car engine, and replacing it with a different manufactured one. Does it run the same?
Also, Fox only distributed Star Wars when Lucasfilm owned the property. Disney now owns the IP one hundred percent.
Oh there is no doubt that Fox is not going to be stopping putting out Alien and Predator stuff. Sure there are a few dry years here and there but then they put out merchandise and new stuff. Every franchise does this. But personally, I.. am not really feeling too much of the new stuff since PREDATORS and while I did like Prometheus, including Predator with that seems... I don't know a word for it but I felt Predator needs to be left out of that Prometheus stuff.
I have hope for Shane's movie.. I love a lot of his work as well as Fred Dekker, who is penning the script. I loved Night of the Creeps, Monster Squad was hella great, Ricochet was f**king great, and A Long Kiss Goodnight was interesting.. The only red flag about Dekker is the fact he wrote and directed Robocop 3.. and I love the Robocop franchise too but that movie killed his career and the Robocop franchise until it was resurrected with a reboot that came nineteen years later. Dekker even admitted it in an interview the folks over at Robocop Archive.
But I am cautiously optimistic.
I want this to be good.. I want this to be a movie I can like.. I truly do as my faith is in Shane, considering he did last minute rewrites with the first movie.
I had forgotten about Disney owning Star Wars! So I'm Fox, I may be thinking "I'm sitting on franchise gold. I'm going to capitalise like the boys down the road.
As you say, there's still a market for it and I'm very optimistic about the Shane Black film - he's a really good writer and director (more than a genre king). I have high hopes!
Since it's 2015, I hope we can expect some new info soon. I guess Fox will announce the movie for a 2017 release date for the 30th anniversary.
Makes perfect sense. But man that is a ways off...if true, it will be a long painful wait for info. But at least then they have a lot of time to write a good script and get things just right.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jan 03, 2015, 10:08:16 PM
Makes perfect sense. But man that is a ways off...if true, it will be a long painful wait for info. But at least then they have a lot of time to write a good script and get things just right.
Well Shane does have a couple more movies.. Unless he can double direct with Doc Samson and Nice Guys, along with the Predator movie. I mean sometimes movies can be announced and they can spend YEARS in development hell before moving on ahead. I mean the Legendary Godzilla movie was in talks since.. 2008 or 2009 and didn't come until years later.
But I am willing to bet that come July 2015, Shane will have a panel at San Diego Comic-Con. I mean this news generated enough buzz to get people talking so, I'm willing to bet we may hear something this year.
And Russ, I will get back to your post as soon as I think of something to respond it with.
2017 is pretty free with no major summer films coming out so far besides superhero films. 2016 is already pack enough.
Did anyone else hear the rumor that Lance Henriksen will have a role in this Predator sequel?
Quote from: Shinobi Wan Kenobi on Jan 08, 2015, 09:31:22 PM
Did anyone else hear the rumor that Lance Henriksen will have a role in this Predator sequel?
News to me. Where did it originate from?
Quote from: Shinobi Wan Kenobi on Jan 08, 2015, 09:31:22 PM
Did anyone else hear the rumor that Lance Henriksen will have a role in this Predator sequel?
I haven't even so much as heard that rumor. But I wouldn't expect it to be a real thing.
I hope the sequel will be announced way later , as there will be a painful wait .
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 09, 2015, 01:54:31 AM
Quote from: Shinobi Wan Kenobi on Jan 08, 2015, 09:31:22 PM
Did anyone else hear the rumor that Lance Henriksen will have a role in this Predator sequel?
I haven't even so much as heard that rumor. But I wouldn't expect it to be a real thing.
Up until AVP, Bill Paxton was the only actor to be in both sides of the franchise's movies (A L I E N S & P2) Henricksen followed that franchise involvement when he co starred in AVP ( after debuting in A L I E N S) maybe Lance is aiming at being an AVP franchise teamplayer by also costarring in the next Pred Sequel....... I'm hoping it's true, Lance is one of sci fi horror's greatest. He can do no wrong
Where did you see it?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
Where did you see it?
Just some comment in a Facebook Predator group. I asked the commenter where he got his info I but have yet to get a reply.
Quote from: Shinobi Wan Kenobi on Jan 12, 2015, 07:23:07 PM
Just some comment in a Facebook Predator group. I asked the commenter where he got his info I but have yet to get a reply.
Don't take fan heresay to heart. I'm sure it's a rumor and for all I know.. Shane wants to stay away from AvP. Adding Henrikson would essentially be a nod to that, which is fine but.. I wouldn't bet that Shane include Henrikson.
Have we established yet whether this will be set at Christmas?
Where did you see that? I can't recall hearing that.
Wasn't the original (or mooted) Arnie sequel going to be in New York at Christmas in the snow?
That was Sam Parks for Predator 3. Many many moons ago. Think Darkness did an article on it somewhere.
Let me look.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/)
Quote7. Snowy City (Present)
This is the "play it safe" option for the makers of Predator 4 if they decide to keep the film present day on Earth. If they decide to go back down the city route, one option would be to make it during the winter. I know what you're thinking. Why would a Predator come to a cold climate in the first place? Alien vs Predator provided a plausible explanation that the Predators there were training in Antarctica in a rite of passage. Visually, it's quite a unique environment. The Predator comic, Predator: Cold War, takes place in snowy Siberia where Dutch's brother takes on both the Russians and a group of Predators. There was also a script from Sam Park called Predator 3: The Deadlier of the Species and features a Predator hunting Dutch in New York during a blizzard.
Not much mentioned. I'm sure there's some articles out there.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2004/09/01/sam-parks-predator-3-script/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2004/09/01/sam-parks-predator-3-script/)
QuoteSam Park, who wrote a script for Predator 3 a while back has been speaking to MovieHole and says a little bit about his script:
"And "Predator 3″? "Who knows? All I know is that once upon a time I and Clay McBride wrote an unsolicited treatment for "Predator 3″ that Joel Silver liked but he wasn't interested in producing because he was creating product exclusively for Warner at the time with no connections to Fox who owns the Predator franchise. Everyone that read Clay and my story treatment thought it was terrific along with how it sets up more sequels with unusual twists. I think that if I'm ever to have a chance at pitching a Predator idea to Fox I'll have to succeed with one of the other script projects first. "
If I remember correctly, his script was called "Predator 3: The Deadlier of the Species" and features Arnold Schwarzenegger's character, Dutch, in New York during a blizzard. A Predator comes to New York and tracks down Dutch to try and kill him.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2003/10/13/sam-park-on-predator-3/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2003/10/13/sam-park-on-predator-3/)
QuoteOver at Dark-Universe.com, Sam Park, a future scriptwriter for Predator 3, has spoken about the future of the film and what would happen now that Arnold Schwarzengger is now in politics:
"You might remember a while back we heard from screenwriter Sam Park, who has a 'Predator 3′ script he's trying to turn into a film. Originally, he wanted Arnold Schwarzenegger to reprise his role of Dutch – from the first film – but ultimately came to the conclusion that it wouldn't really matter. With Arnie now governor, does he still feel the same or was he still quietly hoping it might've been something Arnie could've done? 'The sad thing for us Arnold fans is that with the right script and direction he could still be powerful at the box office.'
"'Arnold probably viewed T3 as the last chance to prove he was viable and despite its money, it was no huge hit', Park says today. 'But Predator 3 could be done with any number of young muscleheads out there. The Dutch character is now long been out of play (and that is Arnie's problem) that putting a new actor in the role wouldn't cause any problem (my fourteen year old nephew had never seen the first Predator until last year). Not only could FOX get more mileage out of their Predator franchise, they could also create a new action star in the process. Hell, even make some more bucks off of the Dutch character in spin-offs in video games, an animated cartoon TV series, toys, etc.'"
Thanks for the linkage, Cpl, I will check it out now its lunchtime!
No worries. I'm sure there's more if you Google him.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 20, 2015, 12:10:25 PMWhere did you see that? I can't recall hearing that.
Was referring to the fact Shane Black always sets his movies over Christmas. Love to see a Predator stalking some dudes through a Christmas tree farm.
I would've preferred Sam Parks' movie than Rodriguez's.. :-\
I rather prefere middle east or north africa.
Quote from: Master on Jan 20, 2015, 04:25:50 PM
I rather prefere middle east or north africa.
Would've preferred that too.
A Predator in a blizzard doesn't really make sense. I mean, unless it really wants Dutch's head that badly.
The was the biggest problem I had with the Antarctic setting in AVP, it flies in the face of everything we've been told about the Predators being drawn to heatwaves in the previous films.
It does, but if I was explaining it away, I'd say that they're attracted to extreme environments (so "Only in the hottest years" could also be "only in the coldest winters.") It's plainly bullshit, but its reasonable bullshit.
I have no problem with Predators being in the cold. In fact, there is nothing suggesting that they wouldn't be able to hunt in the cold whatsoever. Predator: Cold War suggested that they seemed to be doing perfectly fine in the cold and suffered no real ill-effects from being in such a climate. Infact.. there isn't any reason for them to not hunt in the cold as long as conflict is happening. Unless you want to ignore the EU material-- which is what everyone does here.
Everyone points out Anna's phrase as well as Peter Keyes' phrases as such, from-- "Only in the hottest years this happens. And this year it grows hot" also "They're drawn to heat and conflict. Cambodia, Iwo Jima, Beirut".
So let's look at Keyes phrase more than Anna's. He points out major conflicts.
If anything, I would think that they are more drawn to conflict than the heat per se. If PREDATORS indicated something to us, Anna is from Guatemala. So prior to the events of 1987, what was going on in that region ten, twenty years prior? The Guatemala Civil War, which started from 1960 to 1996. I'm pretty sure that they had some hot seasons there, but the conflicts down there were exceptionally brutal.
Maybe it's more the conflicts which draw them more so than the heat.
They kinda were attracted by heat bloom in piramid.
Quote from: Master on Jan 20, 2015, 07:35:07 PM
They kinda were attracted by heat bloom in piramid.
Which is something worth pointing out too. But they were also attracted to the Xenomorph Prey which happened to be kept stored there.
The heat bloom in the pyramid, which is another thing a lot of people don't seem to acknowledge quite a lot. We know that there was a heat bloom to power the pyramid, but we also know that the pyramid was made of some type of stone granite. Surprisingly, stone is an excellent conductor as it can retain heat for a number of days.
http://stonehouseinsulation.blogspot.com/2011/10/how-heat-moves-through-stone-house.html (http://stonehouseinsulation.blogspot.com/2011/10/how-heat-moves-through-stone-house.html)
Sure this article talks about how heat can move through a stone house but I don't think it's unlikely for a similar principal to apply for a large pyramid. Of course the heat bloom would've had to been extremely powerful to be noticed by the satellite. But I am not exactly a genius and perhaps the principal of the article I linked may not suffice for a pyramid, so I am willing to be enlightened.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 20, 2015, 07:39:42 PMThe heat bloom in the pyramid, which is another thing a lot of people don't seem to acknowledge quite a lot.
The heat bloom clearly didn't affect the ambient temperature in the pyramid all that much because everyone still had their thick survival coats on.
I'm not saying it's
impossible to have Predators hunting in sub-zero temperatures. I just don't think the film helped itself by choosing the polar (no pun intended) opposite of what we were told in the first two films - that Predators are seemingly attracted to very hot climates.
The heat bloom was a lure for the human hosts, not the Predators. Ewen Bremer's character explains that irrc.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 20, 2015, 09:09:44 PM
The heat bloom was a lure for the human hosts, not the Predators. Ewen Bremer's character explains that irrc.
All I'm saying is that inside was much warmer then on the outside, which better fits predator mythology.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 08:51:42 AMAll I'm saying is that inside was much warmer then on the outside, which better fits predator mythology.
No it wasn't, because all the humans are still wearing their thick Antarctic survival clothing.
Yes it was. It`s not like there was any coat hanger to leave their clothes on. If we want to be picky they did remove their hats, unziped their clothes and Lex removed her coat. Also, we can see lava in Queen chamber (it`s quite hot) and mucose, Miller and co. are covered in hive, wasn`t freezing. It`s not tropical in there but definitelly 5-10*C above 0. If you consider it`s like -40-50*C outside, I say yeah, it`s quite warm inside.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 11:07:46 AMYes it was. It`s not like there was any coat hanger to leave their clothes on. If we want to be picky they did remove their hats, unziped their clothes and Lex removed her coat.
Lex was also running around outside without a coat and didn't freeze to death. The film is B.S. when it comes to things like that.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 11:07:46 AMAlso, we can see lava in Queen chamber (it`s quite hot) and mucose, Miller and co. are covered in hive, wasn`t freezing.
The Queen's chamber, as we see on the schematics, is a long, long way below the rest of the temple. Also, if it's so hot in there with all that lava, why is the Queen still frozen solid when she's raised out of a pit that's apparently surrounded by flames?
Cause inside the pit is cooling agent. We can clearly see it when queen is being pulled up by chains.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 21, 2015, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 11:07:46 AMYes it was. It`s not like there was any coat hanger to leave their clothes on. If we want to be picky they did remove their hats, unziped their clothes and Lex removed her coat.
Lex was also running around outside without a coat and didn't freeze to death. The film is B.S. when it comes to things like that.
She was full of adrenaline, and after a while she entered vehicle. Still it dosen`t change the fact there was cold outside, and warmer inside. That`s why she removed coat in first place.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 11:26:33 AMShe was full of adrenaline, and after a while she entered vehicle.
I may not have been to Antarctica, but I've been north of the Arctic circle, and I can assure you no amount of adrenaline is a cure for hypothermia in those temperatures. Plus, those snow cats aren't all that well insulated. That's why everyone was wearing all their protective gear during the trip out to the whaling station.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 21, 2015, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 11:26:33 AMShe was full of adrenaline, and after a while she entered vehicle.
I may not have been to Antarctica, but I've been north of the Arctic circle, and I can assure you no amount of adrenaline is a cure for hypothermia in those temperatures. Plus, those snow cats aren't all that well insulated. That's why everyone was wearing all their protective gear during the trip out to the whaling station.
You see Bouvetoya Island is not so near Antarctica.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F7%2F73%2FBouvet_Island_on_the_globe_%2528Antarctica_centered%2529.svg%2F600px-Bouvet_Island_on_the_globe_%2528Antarctica_centered%2529.svg.png&hash=793b4edf300b3ce9fec9b7de94eec9ed01216a6b)
The average low temperature there is about -5*C. I really don`t know which month AvP takes place but with -5 you can survive in jeans and jacket, so no, no hypothermia especialy she was still wearing warm jumpsuit .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvet_Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvet_Island)
But that`s not our main argument. Proofs are the interior of Pyramid was much warmer then surrounding environment.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 12:32:46 PMYou see Bouvetoya Island is not so near Antarctica.
Correct. If only the satellite imagery we see in the film didn't put the location of the island far further south and west than it really is. It actually shows the island to be in the region of Peter I Island, which is much further south, closer to Antarctica and within the Antarctic Circle. The film couldn't even get that right.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 12:32:46 PMBut that`s not our main argument. Proofs are the interior of Pyramid was much warmer then surrounding environment.
I didn't recall seeing any proof of the sweltering heatwaves Predators are supposedly attracted to inside the pyramid...
Still costal temperature of antarctica ( which more or less apply to Peter I island) is between -3 to -20 *C. Taking worst case scenario she'd still manage to get into vehicle and drive back to the ship (in my country such temperatures do happen during winter and people don't die out of hypotermia, especialy during such low time of exposure like Lex).
About temperature inside pyramid, they are under the ice in the structure that is one gigant heater. They do partialy undress and the mucose is not freezing. It's at least +5, proof me im wrong.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 01:02:13 PMAbout temperature inside pyramid, they are under the ice in the structure that is one gigant heater. They do partialy undress and the mucose is not freezing. It's at least +5, proof me im wrong.
Prove you're right? There's nothing at all in the film to suggest the pyramid is "one gigantic heater", and the fact they all keep their very warm clothes on suggests it's really kinda chilly in there. Unless you're proposing they'd rather drip sweat than simply take their jackets off and put them on the floor. As for the alien slime, who says that even freezes when it's cold? We know literally nothing about its chemical composition. Vodka doesn't freeze until you get to minus 40 Celsius, and if it was that cold they'd all be in serious trouble.
Like I said earlier, I don't think it's
impossible for Predators to go hunting in cold weather. I just think choosing the coldest place on Earth as a setting, when earlier films have all said Predators are drawn to extreme heat, is just one more example of
AVP shooting itself in the foot.
Oh my, it is hot compared to surrounding environment. That's why it appeared on thermal scan of bovetoya in first place, because there are craters with active lava and cause people do undress in extent while being inside. Thats my arguments.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 01:27:25 PMOh my, it is hot compared to surrounding environment.
I'm sure it is. Still isn't going to be anything like the sweltering heatwave the Predators supposedly home in on.
That's my point. At most it will be just one or two degrees above freezing (the pyramid's in a giant ice cave, if it was any hotter than that it would start melting the surrounding ice by convection).
And where did I said it was tropical inside? Predators do home in on it cause 5-10*C compared to -20 outside is hot. And queen chambers are even warmer.
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2015, 02:51:23 PMAnd where did I said it was tropical inside?
Nowhere.
I'm saying it isn't tropical, and
I'm saying that contradicts what the preceding films tell us several times. In
Predator it's sweltering jungle and Anna says the Predators only come in the "hottest years", and in the sequel LA is in the grip of a crazy heatwave and Keyes points out that the Predators have historically been attracted to the likes of Cambodia, Iwo Jima and Beirut etc., which are clearly very hot places.
It's not like the temple is just a little cooler than those locations - it's the complete
opposite of those locations in terms of climate. By doing that the film was throwing a curveball right from the start
Yeah you are right, yet this was no normal hunt and Anderson did what he could (considering restrictions he was given by the studio) to put Aliens in place where no one would normally find and to give Predators best environment to fight them. We already seen Predator in cold storage where temperature was much lower then in pyramid.
So it's been a while since we've heard anything about this, huh? Lately I've been kind of getting into the Predator films again (just ordered the three-pack on Blu) and I was hoping for a bit more information.
Hope to hear something soon.
Black's probably too busy with The Nice Guys right now. I imagine we won't hear much more until production on that starts to wind down.
I don't expect to hear much about either (Predator 4, Prometheus 2) until the second half of the year, to be honest.
So I know we're a ways away from this (and something could very well come along and change things radically between now and whenever this thing is supposed to come out), but does anyone have any hopes/wishes for it?
I'd be interested in seeing the tables turned. Make the Predator the prey, in a way. We know the Predators are attracted to hear and conflict, so it'd be interesting if they took the creature completely out of its element and had a the ship accidentally crash down in a cold environment (I know AVP kinda sorta did that, but it did absolutely nothing with the environment). Let's see the harsh winter environment actually play a huge role, a la The Thing, where it could be detrimental to both the human cast and the Predator. The humans have to band together to stop the Predator, while the Predator is trying to make it out of this situation to no avail.
I dunno. Just throwing out ideas. But I like the concept of the Pred being hunted.
Humans hunting a Predator who is hunting other humans.
Also: Winstonian designs. Proper mandible closure.
Yes please on the mandibles. And mouths that close, please. I was actually really fond of the Preds in Predators, but the mouths bothered me.
Classic had lockjaw. In literally every single scene he is in, his mouth never closes.
I really wonder why none of the Predators past Predator 2 had the proper mandible closure. What is so difficult to get about it? Funnily enough, some concept art for AvP even displays it, but not the final creatures.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 30, 2015, 05:58:35 PM
So I know we're a ways away from this (and something could very well come along and change things radically between now and whenever this thing is supposed to come out), but does anyone have any hopes/wishes for it?
I'd be interested in seeing the tables turned. Make the Predator the prey, in a way. We know the Predators are attracted to hear and conflict, so it'd be interesting if they took the creature completely out of its element and had a the ship accidentally crash down in a cold environment (I know AVP kinda sorta did that, but it did absolutely nothing with the environment). Let's see the harsh winter environment actually play a huge role, a la The Thing, where it could be detrimental to both the human cast and the Predator. The humans have to band together to stop the Predator, while the Predator is trying to make it out of this situation to no avail.
I dunno. Just throwing out ideas. But I like the concept of the Pred being hunted.
This was essentially WorldPeace's idea (I've not seen him since that conversation - Maybe he's in a room, frantically writing it as we speak) - Only without the snow. He was saying the Predator goes up against ISIL, but the US track the ship so you have a three way battle. That'd be great.
I also saw on here Predator: First Blood. The Predators ship is damaged and goes down in the wilds of Canada (a la First Blood) and the military hunts the Predator (you could do all sorts of nods there - even to the divisive "Predators" - a drone chasing the Predator would be ace).
So I wonder which one will come out first? Prometheus 2, Predator 4 or Alien 5? I hope we will get info soon on the newest film.
Has anyone suggested that Danny Glover should come back for this Shane Black sequel, what with Shane Black having written the Lethal Weapon movies and all? That just dawned on me today.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 22, 2015, 01:22:38 AM
Has anyone suggested that Danny Glover should come back for this Shane Black sequel, what with Shane Black having written the Lethal Weapon movies and all? That just dawned on me today.
Glover is pushing 70.. And he said he was done with the Predator franchise when asked if he was going to reprise PREDATORS.
Buuuuut... Considering that Shane Black did do the Lethal Weapon movies, and so did Glover.. a cameo isn't out of the question. Only question is what are Shane's thoughts on Predator 2?
He thinks it's awesome, as do all sane, intelligent, handsome people.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 22, 2015, 02:26:12 AM
He thinks it's awesome, as do all sane, intelligent, handsome people.
Got a quote on that?
I remember Glover in a interview when promoting 2012 back in 2009 that he is done with action movies. I remember him saying that he does not want to do another Lethal Weapon movie and Predator movie.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 22, 2015, 04:49:22 AM
I remember Glover in a interview when promoting 2012 back in 2009 that he is done with action movies. I remember him saying that he does not want to do another Lethal Weapon movie and Predator movie.
Yeah, I was mentioning that to Xenomrph. He said that the franchise also could go as far as it could.
Black also has history with Arnie.
But let's be honest, there's nothing to suggest anything at this point.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 22, 2015, 02:30:23 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 22, 2015, 02:26:12 AM
He thinks it's awesome, as do all sane, intelligent, handsome people.
Got a quote on that?
It's self-evident - Shane Black is a sane, intelligent, handsome person, therefore he thinks Predator 2 is awesome. If he didn't, he would be none of those things.
Absolutely. You have to be an incredibly awful person if you don't like Predator 2.
I find Predator 2 to be meh. I love it as a kid and the movie didn't age very well to me when I try to watch it again a few years back in 2008.
Predator 2 is insane. The world needs more insane.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Predator 2 gets more hate than it deserves just because it isn't as good as the first. Taken for what it is, it's a really enjoyable film.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 22, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
Absolutely. You have to be an incredibly awful person if you don't like Predator 2.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 05:15:08 PM
Predator 2 is insane. The world needs more insane.
Two of you deserve a beer. Six pack, right now.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 22, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
Absolutely. You have to be an incredibly awful person if you don't like Predator 2.
I'm looking at you, Robert Rodriguez.. You hear the wisdom from Omegazilla, Mr. Mariachi?
Yeah, Robert dosen`t deserve a beer, not a single drop after Ps.
I really don't get the vitriolic hate for Predators sometimes. It may not have been the greatest of films but it's not like it was AVP:R or anything.
Hate? Hardly. Just lack of interest because of copying Predator`s every major scene.
I like Predators. Love it up until the end of Nolan's first scene. After that it starts to get pretty sloppy, but it remains fun to the end.
Quote from: Master on Feb 22, 2015, 06:38:42 PMHate? Hardly. Just lack of interest because of copying Predator`s every major scene.
Lack of interest, fine. But the way some people react to that film, it's like it killed their dog or something.
I am probably the only one possibly in the world who hates PREDATORS. But I wouldn't say like it killed my dog, since the dog's been dead for years. Morbid joke there.
I just didn't like the fact they picked an exploitation film creator to helm the project and his ideas. PREDATORS could have been worse. The Super Predators cheapened the original concept of the creature and the Preserve Planet idea was lame in that it made it seem like Predators don't like a challenging hunt anymore and want easy wins.
That and some of the character dialogue is just in poor taste. Really? Space faggot? Bitch raping time?
Those are my gripes anyway and solely mine.
Those quotes come form an seriel killer, rapist and long time inmate with death penalty on his neck. I don`t think it`s too farfetched for him to use rather poor language. Just saying :D
The film certainly wasn't a masterpiece, and was really little more than average, but I don't think it's the blight on the series some people seem to act like it is. It had it's moments. It was by no means awful. Rodriguez's original script was, but the actual film was alright.
It`s much worse then P1/2 so it is blight on series... from a certain point of view.
I haven't seen Predators since it came out in theaters and I had the blu-ray since X-mas 2010. I haven't had a reason to re-watch it since then. I remember it being good and good fresh air after dealing with the AVP movie for six years.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 22, 2015, 07:45:27 PM
The film certainly wasn't a masterpiece, and was really little more than average, but I don't think it's the blight on the series some people seem to act like it is.
I thought the movie was pretty mediocre and the ideas which were brought to the table didn't really agree with me. I've mentioned why, so I feel like I shouldn't have to explain myself again. But you say other people didn't like the movie.. Who else didn't like it, if you don't mind me being so curious? I mean I've seen nothing but PRAISE for this movie.
I'm not arguing with your right to dislike it :)
I just feel it occasionally gets a lot more hate than I think it really deserves. At worst, it was average. It had negatives, but also quite a few positives. It certainly didn't destroy the series, which is the feeling I sometimes get from some people (not singling out anyone in particular, just the overall impression I get).
I feel like that too. And I'm sure most of the hate comes from the idea of the Super Predators...an idea that didn't even make it into the final movie.
As I mentioned, I think maybe the film is tarnished by Rodriguez's original script, which was pretty awful. But that's unfair because almost nothing from that script actually made it into the final film.
Quote from: Master on Feb 22, 2015, 06:38:42 PM
Hate? Hardly. Just lack of interest because of copying Predator`s every major scene.
That's the thing though, Predators really doesn't do that. If you pay attention to what's going on, it's really subverting a lot of the tropes in 'Predator' in clever ways. I liked 'Predators' on my first viewing because it felt like a fun homage to Predator, but the more I watched it the more I picked up on what was different and I ended up liking the movie more.
It's like the people who complained that the Thing prequel copied the Carpenter movie wholesale - no it didn't, in fact it went out of its way to not copy it or to subvert the audience's expectations when it seemed like it was copying it.
That`s opinion. Most of the time it feels like big budget Predator homage. But that`s not my biggest problem. It dosen`t really use things that could make it it`s won movie. We are on alien planet. Why dosen`t it look more like alien jungle? Why there are no strange alien creatures all fans always wanted to see? New things like falcon are bearly used. We have Noland how coud give us more info about predators. But insted he is a gimmick character, that dies in riddiculous way. Predators has chances but dosen`t really use them.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2015, 06:00:16 PM
That`s opinion. Most of the time it feels like big budget Predator homage. But that`s not my biggest problem. It dosen`t really use things that could make it it`s won movie. We are on alien planet. Why dosen`t it look more like alien jungle? Why there are no strange alien creatures all fans always wanted to see? New things like falcon are bearly used. We have Noland how coud give us more info about predators. But insted he is a gimmick character, that dies in riddiculous way. Predators has chances but dosen`t really use them.
I like Predators, but I tend to agree. It feels like a film that never becomes more than the sum of it's parts. It has ideas, and some interesting concepts, it just doesn't really utilise them very well. It needed another solid fifteen minutes at least to really flesh out some of the ideas and in a few places it should have utilised the alien planet itself over the homages it kept making to Predator.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2015, 11:13:17 AM
As I mentioned, I think maybe the film is tarnished by Rodriguez's original script, which was pretty awful. But that's unfair because almost nothing from that script actually made it into the final film.
I'm just grateful the Arnie ending
didn't happen. I was flipping my biscuits on here back when that first leaked out. Then again i've never been a fan of the idea of a human being joining up with the predators in any of the expanded media. That just seems
incredibly stupid. That's like Bambi joining up with Charleston Heston's character from "Alaska."
A show of respect for being worthy prey ala Predator 2 is fine. A sense of fair play like the way Classic worked with Royce in exchange for freedom is fine. Anything beyond that just pushes the whole thing into farce for me, though.
AvP didn't sell it too well from a visual standpoint either, though. As has been said, it almost looks like a super hero dynamic duo.
The AVP comic did the team up thing decently, but joining the Predators on their ship took it too far.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 24, 2015, 03:22:41 AMThen again i've never been a fan of the idea of a human being joining up with the predators in any of the expanded media. That just seems incredibly stupid. That's like Bambi joining up with Charleston Heston's character from "Alaska."
A show of respect for being worthy prey ala Predator 2 is fine. A sense of fair play like the way Classic worked with Royce in exchange for freedom is fine. Anything beyond that just pushes the whole thing into farce for me, though.
AvP Duel has one of the most believable team-ups. Purely an alliance of convenience with a bit of respect at the end
The team-up in AvP Prey is decent...Broken Tusk is a wiser, older predator and the cooperation between him and Machiko is mainly based on survival
...what's silly is when the Yautja induct Machiko into the clan. The idea of a human female surviving the Yautja lifestyle is presposterous
I always thought it might be cool for a Predator to use humans the way Tracker uses the hounds. Kind of like human hunters on leashes, stripped of their humanity and turned into bloodthirsty savages.
Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2015, 06:00:16 PM
That`s opinion. Most of the time it feels like big budget Predator homage. But that`s not my biggest problem. It dosen`t really use things that could make it it`s won movie. We are on alien planet. Why dosen`t it look more like alien jungle? Why there are no strange alien creatures all fans always wanted to see? New things like falcon are bearly used. We have Noland how coud give us more info about predators. But insted he is a gimmick character, that dies in riddiculous way. Predators has chances but dosen`t really use them.
I don't disagree with this, and the movie isn't without its flaws, I just see a lot of people bring up complaints about 'Predators' that don't hold up to much scrutiny past a superficial level.
Quote from: happypred on Feb 24, 2015, 10:04:26 AM
...what's silly is when the Yautja induct Machiko into the clan. The idea of a human female surviving the Yautja lifestyle is presposterous
To be fair the subsequent comics agree with you completely, which is why she leaves the Predators after like a year. :P
Am i the only one who would like to see a predator movie set in the future perhaps away from earth?
i would also like to them expand the mythos by incorporating other alien species being hunted by the predator. make good on the premise shown in predator 2's ending with the skull display.
such potential....but what are we going to get? most prob a carbon copy of predator complete with 'homage' after homage.
@Jpred - Check out Hick's latest article - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/02/25/you-are-one-ugly-motherfu-wishlist-alien-vs-predator-3/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/02/25/you-are-one-ugly-motherfu-wishlist-alien-vs-predator-3/)
Is Shane Black still making a new Predator movie? I haven't heard of any updates on the subject for like half a year now.
He's busy making The Nice Guys at the moment, so we won't hear anything at least until he's done with that.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
He's busy making The Nice Guys at the moment, so we won't hear anything at least until he's done with that.
He also has the Doc Savage movie to do as well.
Do you think P3 will take priority now that A5 is (probably) on the way.
I don't see why it would. They're both Fox franchises, it's not like they would be good competition for each other.
Good point - I was thinking of the "striking while the iron is hot" thing. I wonder if the Predator franchise (along with Alien) would be more profitable than Doc Savage (I have to say this is a character that never resonated with me personally - I don't know a lot about him), so my thought was Fox saying "we should do this now while its in the zietgeist - The Doc ain't going anywhere, after all).
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 28, 2015, 12:25:52 AM
I don't see why it would. They're both Fox franchises, it's not like they would be good competition for each other.
alternating releasedates however...
I don't think this movie will be out until 2017. It been nearly five years since Predators and people are still into the franchise. Heck a lot of people are hype up for Predator in MKX. It's not like this franchise died out and went off the radar.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 22, 2015, 02:36:46 AM
I don't think this movie will be out by 2017.
No. Me either. They're still working on The Nice Guys for release next year.
Yeah, I'm not expecting this any time soon, Black is a busy man right now.
But I'm really looking forward to what he will do.
Assuming he gets into this after The Nice Guys, I'd say 2018 at the earliest. Could even be later than that, though.
The Nice Guys is out by May 2016. I think 2017 is pretty pack right now and I say late summer 2017 or early 2018 is the earliest that we will see this movie.
2017. would be a nice year because it'd be 30th anniversary of the original.
Quote from: overthere on May 23, 2015, 08:53:30 AM
2017. would be a nice year because it'd be 30th anniversary of the original.
That may actually be the plan. Launch the movie on the 30th anniversary. In fact they may even set the plot of the story as 30 yrs later.
Fred Dekker recently posted a photo of an old west town on his Facebook page, stating that pre-production has started on The Edge series. So this will definitely keep these two busy the remainder of the year. Heck, who's to say Shane Black and Fred Dekker will still be involved if their plates get to full. They could easily pass of the script to someone else to handle. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if this became the case. Here's the link to that page, by the way: https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker
It sounded to me like Shane was very keen to write himself. His responsibilities should be winding down towards the end of the year so he might be stepping back to to Predator 4 then.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 04, 2015, 07:26:40 AM
It sounded to me like Shane was very keen to write himself. His responsibilities should be winding down towards the end of the year so he might be stepping back to to Predator 4 then.
I would think so also. This definitely seems to be on his list of films he wants to write himself so we shall see. But for now we can only hope.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 04, 2015, 07:26:40 AMIt sounded to me like Shane was very keen to write himself.
With no disrespect to Dekker, putting Shane in charge of the script would make me so very happy.
Fred Dekker writing the screenplay, pic is from last year so don't know if he is still writing it.
(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10353650_568498133281509_5496048973997800270_n.jpg?oh=0e27513331f2a00249c8b8a978476aa8&oe=56344D49)
:)
Where'd you find that?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 17, 2015, 01:03:23 PM
:)
Where'd you find that?
Facebook, official account.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 17, 2015, 01:08:35 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 17, 2015, 01:03:23 PM
:)
Where'd you find that?
Facebook, official account.
Haven't seen your name for a while! Welcome back.
Can you give us a direct link? Love that picture.
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker?fref=ts
That is his site, he posted a couple of Predator pics with commentaries, you can tell he's having fun.
They should both write it. Then we could have a Pred movie by... *drum roll* ...Black and Dekker.
Wouldn't be the first time, they wrote The Monster Squad together and that's a great film.
"Wolfman's got nards!"
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 17, 2015, 05:55:06 PM
Wouldn't be the first time, they wrote The Monster Squad together and that's a great film.
"Wolfman's got nards!"
"Rudy, do you know any virgins?"
Here's an interesting quote from Dekker from his facebook page.
QuoteI was asked by an executive today if our new PREDATOR will be a "re-boot." I told him I hate that term; it means something's not operating so you turn it off, then turn it back on. I should have said, "We're not rebooting, we're putting in a new operating system."
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker/posts/624264101038245
Kind of raises a few brows here and there.. for me anyway.
Why? It just means it's a sequel...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 17, 2015, 04:58:58 PM
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker?fref=ts
That is his site, he posted a couple of Predator pics with commentaries, you can tell he's having fun.
Thanks. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 18, 2015, 07:30:53 AMWhy? It just means it's a sequel...
Yeah, Black was pretty clear when it was first announced in the press as a reboot that it's going to be a definite sequel.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 18, 2015, 07:53:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 18, 2015, 07:30:53 AMWhy? It just means it's a sequel...
Yeah, Black was pretty clear when it was first announced in the press as a reboot that it's going to be a definite sequel.
I missed that press release. are we talking about a sequel to the original?
He didn't clarify. I'll see if I can dig up the quote.
EDIT: Here it is, from an article on Collider.
Quote"As far as Fred and I are concerned anyway," Black said, adding "Why start over, when you've all this rich mythology yet to mine?" Black said he doesn't like reboots generally, but can "really get behind inventive sequels", noting that he likes "the idea of expanding and exploring the existing Predator mythology, rather than hitting the restart button."
So there you have it. No mention of which film(s) it's specifically a sequel to, but it's definitely not a reboot.
It was just the way he said it, guys. I was mildly curious. :-\
How so? It doesn't read any different to what we knew already.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 18, 2015, 09:44:11 PM
How so? It doesn't read any different to what we knew already.
The whole analogy about the operating system. That's how.
I know it's a sequel.
I think Shane Black is taking too many complications to say something as simple as: Yes, it's a sequel. That is why it is inevitable to see this as a non-traditional sequel, as in the case of Predators or the upcoming Blomkaliens.
Crazy Shrimp, what do you mean by non-traditional in regards to PREDATORS and Alienkamp? :-\
Well, If my memory serves me, Predator 2 and the AVP movies were virtually ignored by Predators. And it is assumed that Alienkamp will ignore Alien 3 and Alien R (although with this last film we're not 100% sure). In Prometheus, Ridley Scott told us a lot of confusing things before the premiere. And at the end of the day the film ended up being an untraditional prequel.
But the point is that every time I see someone saying gimmicky things (instead of giving us a clear and simple message) I get the impression they are trying to do something unconventional with the franchise. Which is not necessarily bad, Don't get me wrong.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 18, 2015, 07:30:53 AM
Why? It just means it's a sequel...
Exactly, like Windows 7 to Windows 8. Same thing, but new.
Now transition to a Chromebook, there's your reboot. :P
Anyway, I'm excited to see what this new Predator film adds to the universe. What new toys the Predator will be using this time since every film added a new improvement to match the ever progressing human prey.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jun 19, 2015, 01:36:43 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 18, 2015, 07:30:53 AM
Why? It just means it's a sequel...
Exactly, like Windows 7 to Windows 8. Same thing, but new.
Now transition to a Chromebook, there's your reboot. :P
Anyway, I'm excited to see what this new Predator film adds to the universe. What new toys the Predator will be using this time since every film added a new improvement to match the ever progressing human prey.
Ok, you made a valid point there. Especially due to the fact that in the Predator franchise you don't have human mythology, so to speak (eg Ripley story in the Alien franchise).
So virtually you can do whatever you want with a sequel, since every single film works as a stand-alone movie.
Mind you Crazy-Shrimp, I do agree with you on your previous post in regards to PREDATORS and Alienkamp.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 19, 2015, 02:49:51 AM
Mind you Crazy-Shrimp, I do agree with you on your previous post in regards to PREDATORS and Alienkamp.
In that they'll ignore the films before it? It was easy to do with Predators, it had no detrimental effect on the story.
There's a big difference between simply not referencing what happened before versus actively overwriting it.
The former doesn't really have much impact on the Predator series, because as soon as Arnie dropped out of the second film they all basically became stand-alone movies with no interconnecting story. Predators ignored Predator 2, but it in no way suggests the second film never happened. It just doesn't mention it.
As for Dekker's quote, I think he was just trying to make a clever pun re. reboot = computers. Black's been perfectly clear that it's a sequel.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Jun 19, 2015, 02:27:36 AM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jun 19, 2015, 01:36:43 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 18, 2015, 07:30:53 AM
Why? It just means it's a sequel...
Exactly, like Windows 7 to Windows 8. Same thing, but new.
Now transition to a Chromebook, there's your reboot. :P
Anyway, I'm excited to see what this new Predator film adds to the universe. What new toys the Predator will be using this time since every film added a new improvement to match the ever progressing human prey.
Ok, you made a valid point there. Especially due to the fact that in the Predator franchise you don't have human mythology, so to speak (eg Ripley story in the Alien franchise).
So virtually you can do whatever you want with a sequel, since every single film works as a stand-alone movie.
That's true, they are all pretty much self contained stories which can be mentioned in future films or ignored.
Would be interesting to see what they'd do with an over-arching storyline though.
Were do you guys think where Shane movie will be set?
I really think Arnold should have a cameo in this one.
It might be interesting to see Arnuld return in a way similar to Oynx in South China Sea.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2015, 11:03:18 AM
It might be interesting to see Arnuld return in a way similar to Oynx in South China Sea.
Could you elaborate on that
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2015, 11:03:18 AM
It might be interesting to see Arnuld return in a way similar to Oynx in South China Sea.
Like overthere, I would like to know more as well.
He showed up as mysterious character (Onyx) who was tracking down the Predators. I could get along with him being some sort of secondary character like that - with his own agenda or maybe in an advisor role. That kind of thing.
I still really wish Arnie had taken the Keyes role in the second film. Would've been great to see him play a slightly smaller, more villainous part.
In fact, what I would've done if he'd been in it is give all the early Keyes stuff to Garber, keeping Arnie under wraps, then do a surprise reveal on him when they finally get to the trailer. Would've been really cool to have Dutch suddenly revealed as the head honcho, all bitter and twisted after what happened in Val Verde.
Dutch would be perfect as an adviser. I have this scene in my head where they come to ask for his help at his remote cabin where he lives in some sort of isolation and they come inside and see his walls are full of newspaper articles and some schematics he made while investigating the creature on his own.
Quote from: overthere on Jun 24, 2015, 10:25:33 AM
Dutch would be perfect as an adviser. I have this scene in my head where they come to ask for his help at his remote cabin where he lives in some sort of isolation and they come inside and see his walls are full of newspaper articles and some schematics he made while investigating the creature on his own.
I could see that as well. That would have made a great scene.
It's still a possibility for the next one.
I CAN'T WAIT!
Need more knows soon
I wouldn't expect anything until he's done with his current film.
Apparently Edge has finished filming. According to a post on Fred Dekker's Facebook.
The Nice Guys just got ist MPAA Rating, so it must be pretty close to being finished, so we could actually hear about Predator soon.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 23, 2015, 03:49:03 PM
The Nice Guys just got ist MPAA Rating, so it must be pretty close to being finished, so we could actually hear about Predator soon.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope it's a movie I can be happy with.
It's been a long time since this was announced. We could use some updates about it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 23, 2015, 03:49:03 PMThe Nice Guys just got ist MPAA Rating, so it must be pretty close to being finished, so we could actually hear about Predator soon.
Incidentally, what did they give it?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 26, 2015, 08:35:23 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 23, 2015, 03:49:03 PMThe Nice Guys just got ist MPAA Rating, so it must be pretty close to being finished, so we could actually hear about Predator soon.
Incidentally, what did they give it?
Lets hope they gave it a R rating.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 26, 2015, 08:35:23 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 23, 2015, 03:49:03 PMThe Nice Guys just got ist MPAA Rating, so it must be pretty close to being finished, so we could actually hear about Predator soon.
Incidentally, what did they give it?
R
Could you link it please.
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Oct 27, 2015, 05:32:08 PM
Could you link it please.
http://www.filmratings.com/downloads/cara_rating_bulletin.pdf
The movie is officially finished by the way, so his focus must be on Predator now.
Isn't he also doing the Doc Samson movie too or.. is he doing that after this movie?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 27, 2015, 09:15:32 PM
Isn't he also doing the Doc Samson movie too or.. is he doing that after this movie?
I hope he's doing all those other movies after this movie. :P
If they start working on this movie soon, we might get to see the new Predator movie by the end of next year.
Quote from: overthere on Nov 11, 2015, 12:57:15 PM
If they start working on this movie soon, we might get to see the new Predator movie by the end of next year.
I think early 2017(anniversary of Predator)
Very unlikely. Isn't that when Paradise Lost is supposed to be out? They wouldn't drop both at the same time.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 11, 2015, 04:13:37 PM
Very unlikely. Isn't that when Paradise Lost is supposed to be out? They wouldn't drop both at the same time.
True but still would like to come out that time.
I would expect filming to begin somewhere mid to late 2016 and release somewhere between early to mid 2017.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 11, 2015, 04:34:33 PM
I would expect filming to begin somewhere mid to late 2016 and release somewhere between early to mid 2017.
Could actually be true.
I expect them to finish the script around January/February, then shooting it in the summer for a summer 2017 release. Usually it takes a year for these movies to get finished, including principal photography.
But who knows, it has been really quiet as of late, Shane Black is even on the list to possibly direct Gambit, which is also Fox... and Neill Blomkamp texting Predator quotes on instagram just before his Alien gets officially "delayed" is kinda... strange.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2015, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 11, 2015, 04:34:33 PM
I would expect filming to begin somewhere mid to late 2016 and release somewhere between early to mid 2017.
Could actually be true.
I expect them to finish the script around January/February, then shooting it in the summer for a summer 2017 release. Usually it takes a year for these movies to get finished, including principal photography.
But who knows, it has been really quiet as of late, Shane Black is even on the list to possibly direct Gambit, which is also Fox... and Neill Blomkamp texting Predator quotes on instagram just before his Alien gets officially "delayed" is kinda... strange.
I think Blomkamp can do a decent Predator film.
But knowing him... he'll probably bring back Blain Cooper.
"But Blain's dead" you say, well he ain't got time to die man. :laugh:
They've been working on the script for quite some time now. It's not far fetched to assume they're close to finishing it. If so, the rest can be done in a year so a 2016. release is possible.
Quote from: overthere on Nov 12, 2015, 03:28:22 PM
They've been working on the script for quite some time now. It's not far fetched to assume they're close to finishing it. If so, the rest can be done in a year so a 2016. release is possible.
Possible, yes, but very unlikely, even from a business side of view it doesnt make sense to bring it out next year.
In 2017 they can market it to the fans with the original having its 30th anniversary, plus there will be a new 4K Blu-Ray coming of the original, with the Shane Black movie in the cinemas at the same time people will buy the original for the 100th time, they always do that... and it works.
But of course, i could be all wrong.
I wouldn't expect to see it next year. It's too short a period for production. As Johnny says, it'd make more sense to try and release for the 30th anniversary. Considering we haven't actually heard much about this yet though, I wouldn't expect it to start being filmed until mid-2016.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2015, 03:42:43 PM
I wouldn't expect to see it next year. It's too short a period for production. As Johnny says, it'd make more sense to try and release for the 30th anniversary. Considering we haven't actually heard much about this yet though, I wouldn't expect it to start being filmed until mid-2016.
Guess everyone is at 2017 then.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2015, 03:37:22 PMIn 2017 they can market it to the fans with the original having its 30th anniversary, plus there will be a new 4K Blu-Ray coming of the original, with the Shane Black movie in the cinemas at the same time people will buy the original for the 100th time, they always do that... and it works.
To be honest, if the only thing that comes out of Black's new movie is a decent Blu-ray transfer of the first, I'd be happy.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2015, 04:15:21 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2015, 03:37:22 PMIn 2017 they can market it to the fans with the original having its 30th anniversary, plus there will be a new 4K Blu-Ray coming of the original, with the Shane Black movie in the cinemas at the same time people will buy the original for the 100th time, they always do that... and it works.
To be honest, if the only thing that comes out of Black's new movie is a decent Blu-ray transfer of the first, I'd be happy.
Wouldn't mind buying it later(can watch stuff on the internet)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2015, 04:15:21 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2015, 03:37:22 PMIn 2017 they can market it to the fans with the original having its 30th anniversary, plus there will be a new 4K Blu-Ray coming of the original, with the Shane Black movie in the cinemas at the same time people will buy the original for the 100th time, they always do that... and it works.
To be honest, if the only thing that comes out of Black's new movie is a decent Blu-ray transfer of the first, I'd be happy.
I don't remember it being bad.
I've never seen either myself, but both Predator Blu-ray versions are supposed to be pretty crap for different reasons, the first because it has literally no extras, the second because they screwed the image with DNR.
Version 1 (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Predator-Blu-ray/316/#Review).
Version 2 (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Predator-Blu-ray/11375/#Review).
Nah - there was nothing wrong with the Hunter version as far as I recall.
You're right, 2017. makes more sense with the 30th anniversary and all that. I just don't want to wait that long. I offer a compromise, one movie in 2016. and the sequel in 2017. so everyone's happy.
Quote from: overthere on Nov 12, 2015, 07:34:51 PM
You're right, 2017. makes more sense with the 30th anniversary and all that. I just don't want to wait that long. I offer a compromise, one movie in 2016. and the sequel in 2017. so everyone's happy.
Thats right.
Haha. They wont be happy when its a rushed rubbish film. :P
Let him take his time as far as I'm concerned. 2017 is more than good enough for me.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 14, 2015, 10:21:22 AM
Haha. They wont be happy when its a rushed rubbish film. :P
Let him take his time as far as I'm concerned. 2017 is more than good enough for me.
I agree. This series does not need another rushed, mediocre addition.
I don't care when it comes out, I just want it to be good. If it takes to 2018, fine, just want quality. It'd be nice to see an addition to Predator get the same publicity as when Terminator gets an addition. Predators was pretty under the radar for most people.
I just want something I can be happy with. Something where I just don't sigh in utter contempt whenever I hear people talk about or even so much as feel resentment when I see references to it being made in other media.
2018 would be more likely since Prometheus 2 will likely be out by then. I doubt Fox wants both films out in the same year.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 16, 2015, 06:24:21 AM
2018 would be more likely since Prometheus 2 will likely be out by then. I doubt Fox wants both films out in the same year.
You never know.
For anyone worrying about the status: It looks like this is definitely happening and it's making progress, script is close to being finished.
2017 release seems very likely now.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 25, 2015, 07:32:36 PM
For anyone worrying about the status: It looks like this is definitely happening and it's making progress, script is close to being finished.
2017 release seems very likely now.
Please be true.
I'm dying for some more Predator movies.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 25, 2015, 07:32:36 PM
For anyone worrying about the status: It looks like this is definitely happening and it's making progress, script is close to being finished.
2017 release seems very likely now.
Seen some new statements?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2015, 08:33:13 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 25, 2015, 07:32:36 PM
For anyone worrying about the status: It looks like this is definitely happening and it's making progress, script is close to being finished.
2017 release seems very likely now.
Seen some new statements?
Yes, they are just now turning in the Predator script to FOX as they took some time away to develop "EDGE" for Amazon, but it it's full on now.
Care to share a source for that?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 26, 2015, 09:27:52 AM
Care to share a source for that?
I'm not interested in spreading fake updates and never did so in the past, so i guess you have to trust me when i'm saying this is making progress and looks like this is very much happening.
This is the current status and it's up to anyone to believe me or not.
HuDa wasn't being confrontational, Johnny. I take it this is something you personally heard from someone affiliated and not something you read online?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2015, 09:58:06 AM
HuDa wasn't being confrontational, Johnny. I take it this is something you personally heard from someone affiliated and not something you read online?
Yes.
One day we'll all discuss the new Predator movie here. Hopefully we'll all agree it's the best sequel. I can't wait.
We'll probably get the trailer or teaser some time next year.
A 2017 release, the same year Alien Covenant is happening? Hmmm..
I doubt Covenant will be an issue. Scott isn't producing the Predator movie as far as I know, and Covenant and Alien 5 would only be "flooding the market" because Ridley and co decided to tack Alien onto the title.
Well the reason I mention this is because another series is doing something similar. Kong of Skull Island is being released the same year as Godzilla 2, and that lead to speculation that we were getting King Kong vs Godzilla, which was later confirmed.
So I am wondering that either this is coincidence or.. we may possibly be looking at an AvP reboot sometime later on.
I'm not betting on it since Scott took control of the whole Alien franchise but it's something to think about. I wouldn't hold my breath though.
I also checked out Dekker's Facebook.. nothing new in regards to the new Predator movie.
Now AVP is a reboot I'd pay to see.
You know - I hadn't considered Scott being the guiding hand. I seriously doubt we'll see an AvP in that case. :-\
Yeah, that would suck, but it would also be darkly humorous. He considers AVP as a concept beneath him... yet he made The Counselor and Exodus. :P
As much as I love the Alien and Predator franchises being tied together, I hope Shane's movie doesn't have Alien or Prometheus references.
But as for an AvP reboot, it's looking like we might not see one for a good ten to fifteen years, if at all. But it's something to think about.
But to me, the 2017 release date sounds like speculation. Until Dekker mentions something, I will take this with a grain of salt.
We still have time 2 years to be precise.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 26, 2015, 04:26:14 PM
He considers AVP as a concept beneath him... yet he made The Counselor and Exodus. :P
Ha yeah. I couldn't believe how terrible The Counselor was. I don't know if I can look at Cameron Diaz again without losing my lunch.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 26, 2015, 04:11:11 PM
I also checked out Dekker's Facebook.. nothing new in regards to the new Predator movie.
Check it out again, now it's public.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12313844_748157358648918_843389675935126402_n.jpg?oh=a244a2869a74630abdb93fd52abf7378&oe=56D9AD67)
QuoteA character from the new screenplay we just turned in. Art by Angus Herndon, age 7.
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker/photos/np.1448868827095006.708206582/748157358648918/?type=3&ref=notif¬if_t=notify_me_page
What should we think of this silence since it was announced that the script is finished? Silence before the storm or nothing's going on?
Quote from: overthere on Feb 01, 2016, 06:03:15 PM
What should we think of this silence since it was announced that the script is finished? Silence before the storm or nothing's going on?
I wouldn't worry. Just nothing to say yet.
Quote from: overthere on Feb 01, 2016, 06:03:15 PMWhat should we think of this silence since it was announced that the script is finished? Silence before the storm or nothing's going on?
Black's busy making
The Nice Guys. Nothing more to it than that.
Indeed. Once that's out I imagine we'll see more motion in Predator 4.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 02, 2016, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: overthere on Feb 01, 2016, 06:03:15 PMWhat should we think of this silence since it was announced that the script is finished? Silence before the storm or nothing's going on?
Black's busy making The Nice Guys. Nothing more to it than that.
The Nice Guys is already completed for about 4 months now, he has nothing to do but Predator an some other scripts (like Doc Savage) at the moment. I imagine they got feedback from FOX and are just planning and adjusting stuff in the script. I still hope they shoot the movie later this year.
As The Nice Guys isn't tout yet, I'd assume he's still busy with post, no?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 02, 2016, 09:17:13 AM
As The Nice Guys isn't tout yet, I'd assume he's still busy with post, no?
No, it's completed, the movie sits in the shelf waiting for it's release.
Look up at IMDB, they Updated the Status last year, it's fully finished, post is done.
Dekker just updated his Facebook, and he does mention Predator.
He says that he can't talk about where he was, what he saw or what was discussed but if anyone reading that entry is a Predator fan: YES.
Literally, that's all he said.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 10, 2016, 01:03:53 AM
Dekker just updated his Facebook, and he does mention Predator.
He says that he can't talk about where he was, what he saw or what was discussed but if anyone reading that entry is a Predator fan: YES.
Literally, that's all he said.
So does this mean the script has been approved?
YES!
I just hope whatever is delivered, is something I can be happy with.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Feb 10, 2016, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 10, 2016, 01:03:53 AM
Dekker just updated his Facebook, and he does mention Predator.
He says that he can't talk about where he was, what he saw or what was discussed but if anyone reading that entry is a Predator fan: YES.
Literally, that's all he said.
So does this mean the script has been approved?
YES!
He just said this: "I cannot say where I was this morning, or what I saw, or what we talked about. But if you are a PREDATOR fan? One word: YES."
Not much in the way of news but a nice little tidbit to let us know it's still moving.
Great to hear this is still on the go!
I'm honestly looking forward to this more than either Covenant or Blomkamp's retcon idea. With those, I feel like there are just too many things I don't like the sound of being said in the build-up. Plus Predator 4 has Shane Black.
Gee willikers, this is going to be swell.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 10, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
Great to hear this is still on the go!
I'm honestly looking forward to this more than either Covenant or Blomkamp's retcon idea. With those, I feel like there are just too many things I don't like the sound of being said in the build-up. Plus Predator 4 has Shane Black.
I am also more excited for this than Covenant or Blompamp's idea. I can't wait to start hearing more news on it.
There better be some titanic pussy jokes.
Predators had a distinct lack of pussy jokes. Look how that turned out.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 10, 2016, 05:51:37 PM
Predators had a distinct lack of pussy jokes. Look how that turned out.
Instead we had Bitch Raping Time and Space F****t.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 10, 2016, 07:58:33 AM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Feb 10, 2016, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 10, 2016, 01:03:53 AM
Dekker just updated his Facebook, and he does mention Predator.
He says that he can't talk about where he was, what he saw or what was discussed but if anyone reading that entry is a Predator fan: YES.
Literally, that's all he said.
So does this mean the script has been approved?
YES!
He just said this: "I cannot say where I was this morning, or what I saw, or what we talked about. But if you are a PREDATOR fan? One word: YES."
Not much in the way of news but a nice little tidbit to let us know it's still moving.
Yeah, I checked out his Facebook. I am guessing it has been approved. It sounds like great news!
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 10, 2016, 05:51:37 PM
There better be some titanic pussy jokes.
Predators had a distinct lack of pussy jokes. Look how that turned out.
LOL!
I can see it now.
Spoiler
Black: You know, I always liked grapefruits. You wanna know why? Because it reminds me of PUSSY! How is a pussy like a grapefruit? Well, the best ones squirt when you eat them.
*Halfway into the movie*
Black: Aw man, this weather stinks... speaking of weather, why is a vagina just like the weather? Because when it's wet, it's time to go inside.
Enough internets for me today. :laugh:
;D
I assume there's no way for this to be done by the end of the year? I just hope it's 2017. then, not 2018., even though Alien is coming out next year. I simply can't wait until 2018.
There's a slim possibility but it might end up being rushed. I'd rather wait until next year.
2017 seems possible, and it would be the 30th anniversary.
There is no way this movie is coming out this year, it's just not realistic.
The script was just approved, now they have to Budget everything out, start pre-production, casting, location Scouts, suit and prop work, then another 2 months of shooting... they literally needed to begin filming this yesterday, yet they are all the way at the start. :-\ I don't think so.
My guess, they will start shooting in june/july for a summer 2017 release, which gives them enough time to sort everything out.
Yeah, post production is a whole other huge chunk of time that they wouldn't be able to fit in this year.
We really don't want this one rushed. Predators was pretty obviously rushed.
Let's all remember that the original Predator had a protracted production schedule and that only helped the movie by letting them iron out the films editing and getting the effects looking really good.
Why is this in a different section? Doesn't the section "Predator" cover all films?
I was wondering why the Predator section was quiet.
When a new film starts to kick in they're given a board of their own temporarily.
Fred Dekker just updated his Facebook page!
https://www.facebook.com/DirectorFredDekker/posts/810024849128835
He mentioned BIG news a few times. The only really BIG thing that comes to mind is Arnold returning. I'm sure this is going to be the case.
Quote from: overthere on Apr 13, 2016, 12:09:45 AM
He mentioned BIG news a few times. The only really BIG thing that comes to mind is Arnold returning. I'm sure this is going to be the case.
I asked about 50 Cent's statements about being in the movie. But I don't expect Fred to be answering that, and if that happens to be true-- then what's the point of keeping it secret since 50 pretty much let the cat out of the bag?
Quote from: overthere on Apr 13, 2016, 12:09:45 AMHe mentioned BIG news a few times.
Big news could simply be some other famous face in the starring role. Assuming it's Arnie-related is jumping the gun a little bit.
It could really be anything. But at this point I think it will be related to casting. I can't wait for them to actually confirm who will be in it!
Also can't fault him on the concerns. So many websites report news without even reading what they're reporting.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 13, 2016, 07:54:34 AM
It could really be anything. But at this point I think it will be related to casting. I can't wait for them to actually confirm who will be in it!
Also can't fault him on the concerns. So many websites report news without even reading what they're reporting.
Well, he probably got a big fat bitchslap from FOX for spreading some news.
One of the reasons i didn't want to flat out say where i got the script news from back in November, i just didn't want to be that guy to get him into Trouble... only for him to share it to the public a couple of days later :P
BUT, i still wasn't that guy...
I wouldn't have thought he got in trouble. It wasn't as if he shared any specifics - just a bit of a progress report.
So the Predator vs military story is confirmed?
No... ?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 13, 2016, 08:40:30 AM
I wouldn't have thought he got in trouble. It wasn't as if he shared any specifics - just a bit of a progress report.
But apparently, that was enough for him to get into some kind of conversation with the Studio, which led to the result of him to stop posting some progress. Since then, he basically only shared News that were posted on other sites of the Predator movie page on facebook.
I think it would have just led to an awareness that folk are watching his page so he needs to be careful about what he posts.
There is an Interview coming up on Hitfix with Black, they say they talk about Predator. It goes online today so keep an eye out.
Thanks. Will keep an eye out.
I hope to hear things which I hope I'll like.
They lied to us! :'(
Yeah, they didn't upload it yet, they say they are still cutting the Shane Black Interview so it should be coming soon though.
Hopefully we get some new info so it's worth the wait.
Lol I must have woke up every hour last night to check :laugh: I hope it's a nice juicy one.
http://www.hitfix.com/news/can-a-genre-title-like-predator-work-as-an-event-sized-blockbuster
A small piece on The Predator being a "blockbuster" from HitFix. Just opinions and speculation, nothing new.
I like how when they asked Shane if he can share some information without getting in trouble, Shane smirks and says "ha, trouble...who cares?".
Predator from Hawkings? Nahh, he'll just bring us another classic sci-fi action. Who needs that in our time ;D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 09, 2016, 07:59:32 PM
http://www.hitfix.com/news/can-a-genre-title-like-predator-work-as-an-event-sized-blockbuster
A small piece on The Predator being a "blockbuster" from HitFix. Just opinions and speculation, nothing new.
Well, they didn't end up posting the Video-Interview they had with Black about Predator, so i guess he didn't say anything new, otherwise they would have been the first to post some new stuff about this.
I guess they will post the full interview later this month, when The Nice Guys hits Theaters, but again, i expect nothing new now.
I really start to like the secrecy surrounding the plot though, we know it's moving forward, the movie has a release date, they plan on shooting at the end of the year, so everything seems to be going well for them.
I'm just excited because this is essentially what i was expecting from Rodriguez when he announced Predators in 2009, i thought they would go different, new and bold and big and exciting, and it ended up being a really small movie that as a whole felt like a sparse version of the original Predator.
What People from today seem to forget though, is that the first Predator wasn't really a low Budget flick at all, it had a 18 Million Budget, that in '87 was a blockbuster budget for an action movie, they hired the biggest star of the 80s, hired Stan Winston, included complicated never seen before visual effects, shot on location in real jungles. It was a big summer movie while the rest of them played under radar, and Shane knows this and wants to bring it back with a bang, like it was with the first movie.
I like that they up the ante on this.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/374007-exclusive-predator-costume#/slide/1
Shane Black talks about Predator suits.
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/shane-black/255353/the-predator-exclusive-shane-black-talks-r-rating-and-more
The Movie will be Rated R!
With every new piece of information we see Shane is really personally invested into this movie and wants to make it good for the sake of the movie. Because of that, even if the movie sucks, I'll respect him for having his vision and not compromising himself.
For me Predator 4 is getting better strong reviews then Alien 5.
Alright, my main goal now is to survive until the movie comes out.
http://m.audiomack.com/song/good-kid-ratchet-city/happy-sad-confused-podcast-shane-black
Talks a little bit of Arnold and the franchise.
What time? Anything really new or interesting?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2016, 09:00:38 AM
What time? Anything really new or interesting?
Starts around 37 minutes, he says the story would work either way with or without Arnold and they made a choice (sounds like they go with Arnold), the movie will be bigger but not that huge "with 50 Predators coming over a hill", with "event movie" he means more of a feeling of importance and excitement to the movie rather than budget.
You kind of made it sound like it's a cheap movie now that feels big. He didn't say it's not huge in terms of budget, he said it's not huge in terms of 50 Predators running down a hill.
The budget is still greater than ever before.
And the way he says "it's cool if we use him [Arnold] and there' a story to be told if we don't....I'm not going to tell you what we chose" sounds like Arnold won't be involved, considering Shane is more about the story.
I'm getting really stoked about meeting Black this week.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 16, 2016, 10:21:29 AM
I'm getting really stoked about meeting Black this week.
:o **** you! :laugh:
Ask him if he thinks Bishop II is an android :-X
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 16, 2016, 10:21:29 AM
I'm getting really stoked about meeting Black this week.
Have you got your questions sorted?
Quote from: overthere on May 16, 2016, 09:21:39 AM
And the way he says "it's cool if we use him [Arnold] and there' a story to be told if we don't....I'm not going to tell you what we chose" sounds like Arnold won't be involved, considering Shane is more about the story.
He does put it across weirdly.
SB - "I think that there's one of two ways we can go: either we use Schwarzenegger or we don't. And there's advantages to using him and there's a story to be told if we don't. I'm not going to tell you which one we choose."
- So the choice has been made?
SB - "We made a choice that I think is cool. We'll see what happens. "He makes it sounds like they don't know at first and then makes it sound like they know.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 16, 2016, 10:21:29 AM
I'm getting really stoked about meeting Black this week.
What are you going to ask him?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2016, 10:34:35 AMHave you got your questions sorted?
Quote from: overthere on May 16, 2016, 11:38:13 AMWhat are you going to ask him?
I'm mostly going to see how it goes on the night but I've got a few things in mind I'd like to ask. Also Hicks wanted to know who's doing the creature effects so I'll try and ask about that!
Yeah, that's the big one I'm interested in at the moment. Thanks again. :)
And to throw another one in there, perhaps who will be playing the Predator this time around?
Already on my list :)
Awesome. Can't wait. ;D When is the showing?
Shane: "Umm, you see, this time around we're doing something different. We're doing full CGI of the creature, no practical effects and masks."
Imagine that.
I'd be surprised to hear that.
I'd be mortified to hear that.
You could go full CG with the Predator and it would look wonderful, with motion capture and such things. But there is absolutely no need for that, Predators just work so well with suits.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2016, 02:01:17 PMAwesome. Can't wait. ;D When is the showing?
Wednesday night. Really looking forward to the film as well to be honest!
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 16, 2016, 02:56:03 PMYou could go full CG with the Predator and it would look wonderful, with motion capture and such things. But there is absolutely no need for that, Predators just work so well with suits.
A combination of both could be cool. Suits for the majority but with maybe a little CGI to show it moving around in an inhuman fashion - leaping and jumping infeasibly far and the like.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 16, 2016, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2016, 02:01:17 PMAwesome. Can't wait. ;D When is the showing?
Wednesday night. Really looking forward to the film as well to be honest!
Me too. I've got my tickets pre-booked but I'm not seeing it until the Wednesday after. :'( Got X-Men this Wednesday though.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 16, 2016, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 16, 2016, 02:56:03 PMYou could go full CG with the Predator and it would look wonderful, with motion capture and such things. But there is absolutely no need for that, Predators just work so well with suits.
A combination of both could be cool. Suits for the majority but with maybe a little CGI to show it moving around in an inhuman fashion - leaping and jumping infeasibly far and the like.
I think the perfect combination suits in between both as well. I really wouldn't object to seeing a CG Alien pulling off some of the moves that the Alien in Isolation did (mostly because I don't think it'd look anywhere near as memorizing or beautiful with a person in a suit) such as it's first reveal in the hospital.
http://uproxx.com/movies/shane-black-the-nice-guys-iron-man-3/
Nothing new.
QuoteYou're doing a new Predator movie. How do you sell people on that? The brand has been diluted.
You have to go in punching. You have to hit it hard and you have to hit it with the strongest characters you can find and reestablish the sense of mystery and adventure and freshness that the first one had.
You could bring back Arnold from the first one and Danny Glover from the second.
You could do that if you wanted to and it would work. I can't talk about that. Whether we do or don't, that's not for discussion. But there's humor and we are shaking it up a little bit. Ultimately, it just has to have that spirit of, from a writer's point of view –not a filmmaker's point of view – just coming in and writing the shit of of it as something you want to see. That people are going to get their tickets three months in advance and it's going to be treated as a summer movie, not just another knockoff that costs $50 million and has a guaranteed return. That's what you're looking to do.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 10, 2016, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 09, 2016, 07:59:32 PM
http://www.hitfix.com/news/can-a-genre-title-like-predator-work-as-an-event-sized-blockbuster
A small piece on The Predator being a "blockbuster" from HitFix. Just opinions and speculation, nothing new.
Well, they didn't end up posting the Video-Interview they had with Black about Predator, so i guess he didn't say anything new, otherwise they would have been the first to post some new stuff about this.
Shane Black Wants The Predator to Scare The Hell Out of You Again
Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/videos/shane-black-wants-the-predator-to-scare-the-hell-out-of-you-again#yai2Gqgo0KDwZ6ID.99
Quote from: Darkoo on May 17, 2016, 04:35:44 AM
Shane Black Wants The Predator to Scare The Hell Out of You Again
Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/videos/shane-black-wants-the-predator-to-scare-the-hell-out-of-you-again#yai2Gqgo0KDwZ6ID.99
He makes some interesting points about how monsters lose their appeal when they're shown too often, but that sort of worries me. How do you expand on the creature if you start from the "I don't know what's going on" again and we know more than the characters about who's attacking them? Reintroducing Predator is going to be hard since we all know what it is. But I agree with the Loch Ness quote "I hope they don't find it".
Interesting, but a bit worrying as well.
He also mentioned how he went "No, no no!" when he saw Aliens 4 and saw the scene where aliens are diving in the water. Said that's too revealing and specifically didn't like that it was CGI. That's good because he knows actual costume looks better than CGI and that translates well for a Predator movie, but I'm again worried we won't see the Predator a lot in this movie. I don't want this to be Godzilla where you got to see it for 10 mins total.
Mystery is great, but how do you make the Predator mysterious again when we all know about it? Not only that, but we also know the Predator looks cool and we want to see more of him. I'm worried that building the whole mystery about the creature again will fail.
I can't say I ever found Predator scary but I am really curious to see how he will return a sense of mystery to the Predator whilst still expanding on the lore.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 17, 2016, 08:05:37 AM
I can't say I ever found Predator scary but I am really curious to see how he will return a sense of mystery to the Predator whilst still expanding on the lore.
You'd find him scary if you were a macho badass from the 80s and a potential worthy trophy. Just like every man probably said he's not scared of Jack The Ripper.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 17, 2016, 08:05:37 AMI can't say I ever found Predator scary.
Yeah, me neither. It was never a horror franchise.
That said, I'm not averse to him trying to add some more fear into it.
The atmosphere in that jungle was scary. Think about it. Something's killing them, one by one. It's not scary to us personally, but we can sense the characters are afraid.
There was tension but I was never scared watching it. It wasn't that kind of film.
I think the first one is quite scary, if you watch the whole movie there is a constant feel of danger and the ending at night is quite suspenseful.
Generelly Predator has more of a "cool" feeling to it, but in the first one, the creature actually feels quite scary because you don't get that much Information about it and the way it kills the guys one by one is pretty horrific with the way it moves through the jungle.
The Predator is also pretty smart, not like most movie Monsters which come right at you, the Scene for example when Dutch is luring on that tree with the fire and the Predator comes right behind him because he had the same idea, you just go like "Oh Shit".
Even the scene where he is sitting on that tree looking at the skulls of the dead men, with the Music and all, i think that is a pretty grizzly Scene, i remeber watching it in 3D with my girlfriend when the blu-ray came out and she had goosebumps when that scene came on.
I think most People just forgot how scary the Predator was at the start of the Franchise because they are just so used to it now, just like with Alien, i was afraid of it as a kid, now i'm snoring through the movie.
So, i don't really think Predator has the potential to scare the living daylight out of you, it's just not designed to be that Monster, but it certainly has the potantial to be really creepy, if you retain that feeling of the original.
We also can't really put ourselves in the situation where we'd be hunted by a Predator. In reality, Predator would ignore most of us, so he's not really a threat to us.
But the creepy feeling could make a return. Predators tried, but they didn't really work it in. Just the idea of Predator alone is eerie.
I think the real creepy aspect of the Predator character that can work in basically every movie is that this thing kills for pleasure. It doesn't need to feed on us, it isn't here for reproduction, it's here for fun and it feels great pleasure in stalking and slaughtering people for no reason other than pure fun. And that alone makes it a real nasty, evil force.
In the Sequels it had more of an adventure feeling to it, being more straight up action movies, the first one i feel is in parts a horror movie. I mean you never really saw skinned bodies in an sci-fi picture before, you never really saw laser beams in an 80s Action movie before, it's just this great combination of everything, almost like a genre best-of.
And that's why i think Predator to this day still appeals to a shitload of people.
I didn't get that horror or scary feel from Predator. However, when you see it written down as Johnny puts it -
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 17, 2016, 10:00:28 AM
I think the real creepy aspect of the Predator character that can work in basically every movie is that this thing kills for pleasure. It doesn't need to feed on us, it isn't here for reproduction, it's here for fun and it feels great pleasure in stalking and slaughtering people for no reason other than pure fun. And that alone makes it a real nasty, evil force.
There's real potential to play up that aspect. If Black explores along these lines and focuses on that kind of angle of the Predator, there's lots for him to toy with to increase the horror.
As I said before I think Predator 1 and 2 are horror films too but Predators really nails this category. Nimrod Antal and Robert Rodriguez really sought out to make Predators a scary movie and it shows from start to end. From the spooky atmosphere from start to end. The fact that there are 3 Badblood Predators out there that will kill you on sight. That's really scary if you ask me. The whole Preserve planet makes it even more so.
I can't wait for a teaser or some glimpse into the story. Is it safe to assume we're probably get some of it by the end of the year?
Quote from: overthere on May 17, 2016, 01:20:59 PM
I can't wait for a teaser or some glimpse into the story. Is it safe to assume we're probably get some of it by the end of the year?
I really don't think we will get anything this year, it's way too early. The movie comes out in march 2018, that's still far away.
I think marketing for this will kick in September/october 2017 with a teaser and a poster, then a full trailer in january 2018.
I think The Predator will be a sequel to all the Predator movies since it takes place present day. Why would the script acknowledge only P1 and not P2 or Predators if the film takes place in present day? I don't think it will be a sequel to any of the Avp films just the solo Predator movies. Shane Black just mentioned the events in 1990 referring to Predator 2.
Called it. Predators are invading earth. Sounded like something an "event" movie would be. Don't know if this is exactly good news as it could be at odds with current continuity. But i guess that depends on the scale of the predator invasion. Maybe the mystery is their being chased out of Yautja space by an army of controlled xenomorphs? ::) Seriousley Fox, hire someone who can be the authority on all this new canon your releasing. Someone who actually looks over old and new material who'll say, you can't do this as it clashes with continuity(Christopher Golden!). Or maybe hire a small group from this site? Aside from myself there are some pretty bright minds here that hold these franchises so close to the heart that we would make sure your expanding universe is solid and consistent. Do it Fox so we dont end up with another Colonial Marines trainwreck or a source book which ignores alot of info already published.
I seen Avp 1 2 times in the Theather and Avpr 1 time in the Theather and Predators 2 times. For now the standard for me is 2 times but that's just standard lol. I seen Terminator Genisys 5 times
Quote from: Mike on May 17, 2016, 03:55:12 PM
I think The Predator will be a sequel to all the Predator movies since it takes place present day. Why would the script acknowledge only P1 and not P2 or Predators if the film takes place in present day? I don't think it will be a sequel to any of the Avp films just the solo Predator movies. Shane Black just mentioned the events in 1990 referring to Predator 2.
I think they'd have to go out of their way to try and fit everything in. It's not like Alien where it's all linear in terms of story events. The Predators largely stand alone.
Interview with JoBlo, nothing new. http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/shane-black-on-the-nice-guys-buddy-comedies-lethal-weapon-predator-more-321
QuoteI have to ask about THE PREDATOR, of course. What is it about the character and that world that drew you back to the title?
I was reluctant to. If you look at the opening of the first Predator, with the helicopters coming in and landing with the smoke and the native people... It was so compelling because it established a world in which this is still mysterious for you. It's not a sci-fi world. It was so fresh back then, like a "why didn't I think of that, what the f**k?" quality to it. I'd like to get back to a movie where it's three months out and people are like, "Let's get our tickets now because we're aware of this, it seems like they put the money and attention into it, it's not just a knock-off." Really try to get back to that feeling of wonderment, mystery and adventure. A fresh movie. Without giving away details, that's been our goal. To say, "What's the John McTiernan and Joel Silver of this, and how do we get back to that?"
It's definitely your next directorial effort?
It is, it is.
Do you know when production will begin?
I think we're looking at end of September, maybe. Latest would be October, depending on casting. We might have to go over if we cast someone who isn't available yet. But if we get the right guys, September.
And is Arnold going to be in it?
[Abruptly stands and makes like he's going to leave] Can't really talk about that!
I actually think the Predator POV shots, couple with the weird noises, are pretty creepy.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on May 17, 2016, 05:05:49 PM
Called it. Predators are invading earth. Sounded like something an "event" movie would be. Don't know if this is exactly good news as it could be at odds with current continuity. But i guess that depends on the scale of the predator invasion. Maybe the mystery is their being chased out of Yautja space by an army of controlled xenomorphs? ::) Seriousley Fox, hire someone who can be the authority on all this new canon your releasing. Someone who actually looks over old and new material who'll say, you can't do this as it clashes with continuity(Christopher Golden!). Or maybe hire a small group from this site? Aside from myself there are some pretty bright minds here that hold these franchises so close to the heart that we would make sure your expanding universe is solid and consistent. Do it Fox so we dont end up with another Colonial Marines trainwreck or a source book which ignores alot of info already published.
What? Who said it's about Predators invading the Earth? Shane even said it's NOT about 50 Predators running down a hill. Title suggest it's 1 Predator, and I think it was implied in some interview.
Quote from: overthere on May 17, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
What? Who said it's about Predators invading the Earth? Shane even said it's NOT about 50 Predators running down a hill. Title suggest it's 1 Predator, and I think it was implied in some interview.
Agreed. So far nothing has been said about this being an invasion flick... and I most certainly wouldn't want an invasion flick for a Predator film, which I trust Shane not to do, especially considering the name of the title for the film.
Quote from: overthere on May 17, 2016, 06:02:50 PMWhat? Who said it's about Predators invading the Earth? Shane even said it's NOT about 50 Predators running down a hill.
Absolutely no one said that. Cassus is just talking b.s. As you rightly say, Black even stated it specifically
won't be that.
He's talking about this quote from the HitFix interview:
Quote"Taking the Predator, which has lost some of that mystery, and trying to re-engage it with that or re-immerse it in the feeling we had with Close Encounters of discovery. Something is happening, we don't know what. There's an incursion, there's been a breach, something has come to Earth and there's a mystery to be solved. I think that's kind of important for a Predator movie. It's not just "hey, another one! Honey, there's a Predator in the barn again. Could you just...he's at the pigs again...could you?" There's that sense of we've seen it, we've seen it. How do you make it feel like a scary new alien invasion movie again?"
Whats you're take on that, Hicks?
I think Black is talking in broad terms there, not that the Predators are going to be mounting an all out invasion of Earth. Just a single Predator getting to Earth could be classed as an invasion of our home and I think that's what he means.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 17, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
I think Black is talking in broad terms there, not that the Predators are going to be mounting an all out invasion of Earth. Just a single Predator getting to Earth could be classed as an invasion of our home and I think that's what he means.
[Nods] Right... and I agree with that.
In that context, invasion clearly refers to one Predator. One person/being can invade something, for example, someone can invade your privacy.
Hmm, if the predator tech in this movie is supposed to be more advanced, maybe its the preds field testing new hunting technology on us? Kinda like Neca's Ambush Predator? Ive also had dudes from the military tell me how, with modern weapons, a group specifically tasked with hunting the alien hunters down would succeed. Predator Turnabout also lends some truth to that fact as well as Predator Incursion. Our tech is catching up, its definitely time our predators step up as well.
Predators are too few to cause an invasion.
It'll be more like a Predator *puts on sunglasses* Incursion....
;D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 17, 2016, 07:18:30 PM
He's talking about this quote from the HitFix interview:
Quote"Taking the Predator, which has lost some of that mystery, and trying to re-engage it with that or re-immerse it in the feeling we had with Close Encounters of discovery. Something is happening, we don't know what. There's an incursion, there's been a breach, something has come to Earth and there's a mystery to be solved. I think that's kind of important for a Predator movie. It's not just "hey, another one! Honey, there's a Predator in the barn again. Could you just...he's at the pigs again...could you?" There's that sense of we've seen it, we've seen it. How do you make it feel like a scary new alien invasion movie again?"
What predator movie wasnt about this?
All Pred movies including the AvP follow this style. Pred 2 where there was a unit hunting it STILL was able to show the hunter as an unknown.
Im not liking the sound of this statement.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 18, 2016, 04:02:14 AM
Predators are too few to cause an invasion.
It'll be more like a Predator *puts on sunglasses* Incursion....
;D
Go back to your corner, TAP! Go now! :laugh:
http://screencrush.com/shane-black-nice-guys-clipography/
Quote"Hey Billy"
From Predator (1987)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNZYOQ_tt8
Oh God. So I'm very familiar with this clip.
[laughs]
This is a bad take. They used it because you had to shout [to be heard over the helicopter's engine] and it doesn't work when you shout. These are actually two jokes that I wrote for the film; well, I didn't write them, I put them in. But I think it's sort of odd and fun to have them in there. I'm only surprised the director went along with it.
You've got to look for something to make your character distinctive. And unfortunately they wanted me to write for the other characters as well, and I said "Hey man, I'm just an actor."
Well, that was another question I had, because I love the story on the Predator making-of documentary where they're like, "We'll hire Shane as an actor, and when he's on set we'll get him to rewrite the script!" And then you're like, "Yeah, I didn't do that." But you don't explain how you got out of it, so that's what I want to know. How did you get out of rewriting that script?
There was no contract, there was an "understanding." And the truth is I looked at the script and I thought, "We don't need more wisecracks." David Peoples, who's a wonderful writer, did a whole draft of them going to brothels together and being clowns and having setups and payoffs in the jungle of them pranking each other. It completely took away from the originality and simplicity of the very strong concept that was there. So I didn't think it needed help. And I was happy to tell them that I didn't think so, especially since I didn't really feel like doing any writing [laughs].
It's kind of ironic, though, that all these years later, you are working on a new Predator. What was it this time around that got you interested in the material?
I think there's a real strength in the first one: The mythology of seeing it through fresh eyes as though it's new. At the time it was a "What the f---, why didn't I think of that?" kind of idea. And then it became sort of standard. Over the years, Fox rendered it household by putting out a new movie every couple years with the same sort of $50 million budget. But never the sense that you would get your tickets in advance. It was like, "Oh Predator's out again. I guess I can see one more of those."
We want to establish it the same way you would establish the typical Tom Cruise movie, or the new [Planet of the] Apes movie, where people are aware of it as a potential event. We really tried this time to reinvigorate it — and the challenge was to make it as fresh as interesting and mysterious in its way as that first one was, and really pay homage to the suspense of the original. It's not just going to be Friday the 13th with Predators roaming around, popping out for scares. We want to do it with a spirit of adventure and mystery. And I hope we can get the sort of event status going that really makes people aware that this is a kind of thing that we put more money into and paid extra attention to. It's not just another knockoff.
Sounds good. HuDa's going to ask Shane a few questions today?
Shane's focusing on the mystery part, so I wonder just how much of spine-ripping, Predator brutality are we going to see, and keep it a mystery? I want to see a lot of people get killed in cool ways by the Predator.
Hopefully he'll get to ask some.
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/e/0/0/e00914f772d90943/nwp272_shane_black.mp3?c_id=11725438&expiration=1463573063&hwt=96039f5c25bf9b3b47bd426872e24933
Shane Black apparently talks about Predator in this. No idea when though. Starting to listen to now.
I didn't know Shane Black was such a cool guy. He seems eccentric but in a good way. He's aware of the criticism of his work and even addressed Iron Man 3 criticism in a funny way. I didn't know anything about him, but after reading and listening to these interviews, now I like the guy.
I skimmed through the whole thing and didn't hear any mention of The Predator. When exactly does he mention it?
He mentions it around 00:28:30 and the host asks him to remind him about the follow up question later. I don't think they ever got to it again.
34 minutes and he asks his follow-up. He's been asked about taking on an existing property and what he wants to bring to it. He's talking about the event film concept again. He's also mentioned he wants to return to the tension and mystery that he loved from the first and that the first wasn't about creature effects.
He also talks fan pandering re: Iron-Man and Predator around 39 minutes. Ie: He wont.
I like what he said.
"Start real but then something's off. Something's wrong, something's here that shouldn't be"
"There's been an alien incursion, we know about it, people have known about it for years, and you start to peel the mystery away, you know, what is this thing?"
I like the sound of that.
And the whole "Hey Billy" redneck joke :D
I'm more and more excited about the movie every time Shane mentions it.
Why did ShaneBlack say the reasoning for not writing the script was because he's an actor. He wrote the Lethal Weapon movies
Because he was hired as an actor, not a writer.
How can this be a summer movie if it's released in March?
Shane Black was using that term in saying it will truly be an event movie because most event movies are released in the summer. Fox didn't want to release The Predator in the summer because there's a lot of other summer event movies being released in the summer. Fox played it safe and I really do like the March release date it's so cool and different. Not every big name movie has to be released in the summer. We should have more movies released in the Spring like The Predator and the Winter like Predator 2.
I don't know you guys. Alot of what he's saying sounds like were getting what weve always gotten. Predator-Starts off as a commando type movie, soldiers start to realise something isn't right, turns out an alien has invaded central america and is using advanced tech to hunt them down. Predator 2-Starts off as cop action then the cops realise something isn't right, turns out an alien has invaded L.A. and is using advanced tech to hunt them down. Predators, um, starts off as a kidnapped movie? Kinda different but the kidnappee's immediately know somethings wrong and soon realise alien hunters have kidnapped them and are hunting them for sport using advanced tech to hunt them down. Also, the Predatos armor in all three movies has changed as well sooo?
Predator 2 and Predators didn't have the same tension to it like the original.
We just have to wait and see.
Don't forget AvP and AvP-R which has an alien hunter hunting another alien lifeform. :P
I can see where you're going though, all the Predator films revolve around the hunt and add a few new weapons and vision modes etc. But there's so much more to explore with the Predators which is often left to the EU.
I am curious to see all this stuff Shane Black is talking about, what will set his movie apart from the others? I like the bit where he states that he will address the "how do they get their technology?" part, I'm excited to see that. None of the films have addressed this question that we often ask ourselves.
I get the feeling The Predator will be about a Predator coming to earth and the gov/military trying to capture the Predator sit him down and have a talk with him about his advanced Alien technology and why he does what he does but Predator ends up escaping in a climax scene. I would like to see Predator piloting his Ship and go Warp Speed breaking the sound barrier in a chase between F22 Raptors after Pred in his ship. But since John Davis said that this new movie will break new ground, which seems to be the theme these days which is very cool!, I think the film will be centered around Predators POV but still keeping it suspenseful.
I hate googling "the predator" in google's news. Every new article is a horrible disappointment. Always the same mistakes of addressing this movie as a reboot, or some opinionated writer saying he doesn't want a new movie because it will ruin the franchise again as a quick cash grab.
I'll just stick to this forum.
Haha yeah Alien vs Predator tried something different and look what happened XD
I actually love the 1st Avp film, to me it was awesome. Avpr is not a good film at all but Avp 1 is awesome.
As long as it's nothing like the Rodriguez Predators script, I'm good. :laugh:
The Aliens and Preds in Avp looked terrible. The idea was interesting ill give it that. Was Avp what made you a fan?
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on May 19, 2016, 12:49:34 AM
The Aliens and Preds in Avp looked terrible. The idea was interesting ill give it that. Was Avp what made you a fan?
Nope, saw all of them before AVP had even come out. So I'd seen both series before I was 12. :laugh:
I just want a new Predator movie. It being good is a bonus.
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 18, 2016, 11:51:06 PM
As long as it's nothing like the Rodriguez Predators script, I'm good. :laugh:
Lol! That script. RR didn't take that project seriously at all.
Quote from: overthere on May 18, 2016, 08:25:16 PM
I'll just stick to this forum.
Good call!
Quote from: overthere on May 19, 2016, 01:05:30 AM
I just want a new Predator movie. It being good is a bonus.
Nooo. You've gotta want a new good movie. The quality has to be there. Don't accept any old crap.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2016, 07:18:28 AM
Nooo. You've gotta want a new good movie. The quality has to be there. Don't accept any old crap.
If I had to choose between no new movie and a poor new Predator movie, I'd go with the latter. Luckily, from everything we've heard so far, this sounds like it could really be good. Hopefully this movie stands right next to the original, easily beating any sequel we've had so far.
Even if Shane does something outrageous, like fans of Iron Man were mad at him for Mandarin, I could at least say he tried to do something new. Predator is really a franchise were if you don't take risks, it's stuck in a loop of being the same movie over and over again.
As Shane said, "I'm trying to reinvent and please the fans. I'm not trying to put the Predator in a tutu."
I'm sure some of us will hate it and some of us will love it, but if the man at least tried to do something new and different, even if I don't like the end product, I'll respect the effort.
As long as the movie doesn't in retrospect ruin anything in the original and change something we all loved in it. Like say we find out Predator is actually a military robot or something and the spaceship was from Area 51.
Quote from: overthere on May 19, 2016, 10:51:59 AMIf I had to choose between no new movie and a poor new Predator movie, I'd go with the latter.
That makes absolutely no sense to me. I'd rather we got nothing than a crap film that just cheapens the franchise.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 19, 2016, 10:58:42 AM
That makes absolutely no sense to me. I'd rather we got nothing than a crap film that just cheapens the franchise.
The thing is, we don't know if it's crap until it's out. By that point, I'll go see it anyway, so it makes no difference to me. I'd rather they try and make a new Predator movie than never do one again because it might be crap.
That attitude's just going to encourage them to make more crap films, because screw it, the fans will go anyway.
Of course the fans will go. But it's not like they set out to make a shitty movie on purpose. And if we ignore the AvPs, there isn't any really bad Predator movie.
I'm also half-joking when I say it. What I really mean to say is, I'm desperate for a new Predator movie, and this one sounds like it might be onto something.
Quote from: overthere on May 19, 2016, 01:16:03 PM
I'm also half-joking when I say it. What I really mean to say is, I'm desperate for a new Predator movie, and this one sounds like it might be onto something.
It really does sound like it is on the right track. I do think it's important we don't just accept any old crap though. We want these things to be
amazing!
The problem is, the original movie had no business being so great. Everything about it could have went in a cheesy, wrong way. Somehow it turned out far greater than the sum of it's parts. It's not easy to repeat that magic.
I wonder if they will show a lot of the Predator but find a way to keep it suspenseful. I also wonder if they will focus on the Preds POV which would be really cool and break new ground which seems to be the trend with movies these days. Which is awesome.
Also by breaking new ground the Heros don't always have to win they should die in the end. One thing that would of been cool in the end of P2 the ship starts the engines and closes its doors and Harrigan is strapped in there. In a panic, Harrigan looking for exits. The doors just shut on him. He looks at the camera in fear for 1 last shot. SMASH TO BLACK. 20 years later you find out in Predators that Harrigan has been on the Preserve Planet for 20 years. Would of been so cool I think how that all would of turned out.
The ending of Predator 2 was really awkward. They give him a trophy, but then immediately start taking off, with or without him.
Shane Black Teases His 'Predator' Will Have a Detective Story In It
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/predator-detective-movie-shane-black/20646?wssac=164&wssaffid=news
Well someone has to investigate what the hell is going on with all these skinned dead people.
Shane did an AMA on Reddit couple of hours ago. The only thing he answered about The Predator was:
QuoteThis new reimagining of |The Predator will be set in |Present Day -- which is to say, 2018; and so the futuristic events of Predators have not yet occurred. |We're on earth, the time is now...
No idea why Shane thinks Predators are futuristic. They were in present day, just not on Earth.
Did anyone ask him if it takes place around Christmas? ;D Okay, theory: The Predator takes place in a mall around the holiday season, and Quinn McKenna is the mall Santa/security guard who has to investigate why mobsters keep getting skinned/de-skulled in the mall.
So the movie is set on Earth.... Good choice, good choice.
Quote from: overthere on May 19, 2016, 07:20:14 PM
Shane did an AMA on Reddit couple of hours ago. The only thing he answered about The Predator was:
I was just coming on to post about this. I am so f**ked off we missed this. This happened just as I decided to turn in last night. >:(
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/4k3hi6/hey_rmovies_shane_black_here_ive_made_films_like/
Here's the page btw.
Shane Black has Twitter now, Keep an eye open:
https://twitter.com/BonafideBlack
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPYN0ZAV.jpg&hash=e3e74fdb8cbb94fc7613ac658e5396062ccb322a)
Quote from: Darkoo on May 19, 2016, 07:12:47 PMShane Black Teases His 'Predator' Will Have a Detective Story In It
Detective stories are his speciality, so this sounds good to me.
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 20, 2016, 01:59:46 AMDid anyone ask him if it takes place around Christmas? ;D
I was sorely tempted to half-jokingly ask him this at the Q&A but someone else mentioned Christmas and he pointed out how he might have to stop doing it now people have noticed all his films take place over the holidays :)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 20, 2016, 08:21:15 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPYN0ZAV.jpg&hash=e3e74fdb8cbb94fc7613ac658e5396062ccb322a)
:laugh: He looks wasted in that photo.
Just found this nothing lot but little information for The Predator.
Something's cooking with Arnold. I'm glad to see Shane is really excited about the movie.
You know, they basically always said in the past when a new movie was on the way "Maybe we'll have Arnold" and i always went like "this is not really gonna happen, only fan speculation", but this is the first time i really have a good Feeling that Arnold may end up in another Predator movie, after 31 years. Man, i'm a kid again.
I'm a little worried he said this movie will be "in a same way Ridley summoning Alien in Prometheus". I hope this doesn't turn out to be a movie that's about a Predator, but behind the curtains, while the rest of the story and investigation happens without the Predator actually being there. If Prometheus was Alien in spirit, I wouldn't want a Predator in spirit.
I think he means in terms of getting people interested again - even if that interest was just decimated for most.
People are reading way too much into his comments, like the Alien Invasion thing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 20, 2016, 12:02:01 PM
I think he means in terms of getting people interested again.
This.
Say what you will about Prometheus, but it kickstartet the Alien Franchise again in a big budget way and regained interest in the property, and that's what it's all about. There is nothing worse for a Studio than a franchise that sits unused in a jug while it
could make money. Now, they reboot/re-dust/Remake/continue every Franchise that once was popular, might as well put some effort into it.
I like that Black is really ambitious about it, he's no Tom Rothman who said "f**k the fans, we already have their Money" but he really wants to bring greatness to the table.
I think it's quite possible that there is another type of extraterrestrial in this film. Definitely going to be something we've never seen before.
Does anyone know how to possibly get back the music that was playing on The Predators 2010 Website years ago? It was such awesome scary intense music! Really badass! I went on the Predators 2010 Japan Website its still up and there is music on there that is really good and similar but its not the one I'm looking for. I doubt it will be on Youtube or anything but I really do miss that score.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on May 21, 2016, 05:34:55 PM
Does anyone know how to possibly get back the music that was playing on The Predators 2010 Website years ago? It was such awesome scary intense music! Really badass! I went on the Predators 2010 Japan Website its still up and there is music on there that is really good and similar but its not the one I'm looking for. I doubt it will be on Youtube or anything but I really do miss that score.
Try the "wayback machine" https://archive.org/web/ (https://archive.org/web/). Type in the URL and find the year.
So we heard a few pieces of information from Shane, but what's up with Fred Dekker? He's been really quiet lately.
Edit: Just checked his Facebook. Found this post:
QuoteBefore we're allowed to make THE PREDATOR, you have to go see this first. I don't make up the rules, that's just how it works. Starts today at a (porno) theater near you.
Glad to see they're both excited about it.
What's he talking about going to see?
The Nice Guys.
I will be seeing The Nice Guys tomorrow, looks very good and funny. I can't wait to see Shane's work. I love him. Ironman 3 was unfair I think so this movie is a real Shane Black film.
I did enjoy Iron Man 3 myself. I'll be seeing this one tomorrow too. Really looking forward to it.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on May 23, 2016, 11:04:27 PMI will be seeing The Nice Guys tomorrow, looks very good and funny.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 24, 2016, 07:28:34 AMI'll be seeing this one tomorrow too. Really looking forward to it.
Shane Black jokingly asked everyone at the Q&A to get one person from the UK and one person overseas to go see the movie. ROYCE, if you live outside the UK I'm gonna claim I've just done that ;D
Pft. I had my tickets booked already! :P
Man, this subforum has got a long way to go. 2018. is far away.
"Something is happening, we don't know what. There's an incursion, there's been a breach, something has come to Earth and there's a mystery to be solved."
This quote here made my spidey sense tingle, ok so if the setting is on Earth then yeah big let down for a Predator movie to be in space or another planet but "incursion or breach?" That would be pretty interesting if he went down the route of "Bad Blood"?.
I doubt Blacks gone and taken ideas from the comics or novels but i feel like if he did and uses the best of them for this movie, then it will be very interesting to tie in with Shane's Comment on:
"CraveOnline asked about the relevance of the title The Predator to which Black responded "there is a reference in the script as to why that makes sense but I'm not really supposed to talk about it." Relevence of the title "The Predator?" does the mean the first Predator as in "Jungle Predator"?, Could it be a prequel? Or is this a full blown "Yeah this is where the Predators evolved from!" story? I hope they do a better idea for a Predator home planet than they did in AvP2 to me it just was'nt what i expected.
The idea of Arnold in the movie would be amazing but i feel like if they did we would have to accept the fact he's not the same Dutch from the first movie he's going to be more Bruce Wayne in "Dawn of Justice" and thats IF the movie is based in the present. Either way seeing Arnie in another Predator movie would be epic! but if not and the story is better without him in the movie then thats ok with me. The mystery of what happened to Dutch still annnoys me and if it was explained then that would be cool but a more in depth look to the origins or at least home planet of Predators that is also a win.
I cant wait to hear more about the movie, my apologies for the endless typing.
There's no IF about the movie being set in the present. Shane confirmed it multiple times.
I saw The Nice Guys, didn't really like it too much. Some few laughs but I expected to like more. I laughed more watching Crazy Stupid Love who also had Ryan Gossling. Wasn't boring at all just I expected to laugh more and be more entertained. That's just my opinion.
I will say though I like how Shane Black doesn't use Shakey Cam at all. That was definitely a good thing. Not one time was there shaky cam in the movie
One thing I really loved about Predators was that it had a lot of comedy but it comes from the characters which is the best way to bring comedy into a movie and add some levity to it because you need that. Not one thing felt too outlandish. I will always love that film. People can call it a remake or even a carbon copy. One things for sure I will always think it is so BADASS.
Something like Predator Homeworld would be awesome.
http://geeknation.com/podcasts/the-movie-crypt-ep-158-fred-dekker/
Fred Dekker Podcast. I can't listen to it at the moment, i'm at work, but maybe he talks Predator?
I'll try and listen to it now. See if anything comes up. Is this the podcast Dekker spoke about on Facebook?
Nothing new: http://loaded.co.uk/shane-black-joel-silver-interview-nice-guys-lethal-weapon-matrix-reboot/
QuoteShane, you're working on The Predator next – does the series need rehabilitating after the Alien vs Predator films?
Black: "I think there's a sense that Fox has been putting these films out as fodder – not bad movies but modest budgets with a guaranteed return every few years. There's not a lot of fanfare or a sense that they're being event-ised. They're not a memorable experience you save for the summer. I think that Ridley with Prometheus and his Alien prequel, that's the kind of event status we need to reinstate for The Predator."
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 31, 2016, 06:46:46 AM
http://geeknation.com/podcasts/the-movie-crypt-ep-158-fred-dekker/
Fred Dekker Podcast. I can't listen to it at the moment, i'm at work, but maybe he talks Predator?
Listened to it now, starts at 1:22:30, nothing new really. Script is done, they are budgeting and casting at the moment. They really want to explore the Predator more, why are they here? And maybe the Predator's goals/agendas have changed.
He says when the first Predator is Alien, the new one will be Aliens. It will not be contained, there will be lots of characters with different ideologies with a lot of locations.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 31, 2016, 11:02:16 AMIt will not be contained, there will be lots of characters with different ideologies with a lot of locations.
Sounds really interesting!
I like the sound of "why are they here? maybe their agendas changed..."
Though I hope it doesn't turn into Aliens in a sense that there's a lot of Predators dying like flies. Shane did say it's not about 50 Predators riding a bike, so I guess it won't be like that.
I actually think he said a lot in here. I've just posted it up on the front page.
Nothing new:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-predator-shane-black-on-his-plans-to-recapture-the-spirit-of-the-original-a7061006.html
QuoteWhile speaking to London Live's brand new programme, London Film Club, Black revealed his vision for the upcoming take on the classic franchise; which has already been touted as a canonical sequel, though there's hope it will manage to utterly reinvent the classic franchise.
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The Nice Guys review: Irreverence and originality in droves
"Back in the original, there was a real sense of mystery, I thought," Black stated. "And discovery, when this thing came to Earth. Then it sort of became over the years, with the iconic makeup - you could almost find a good-looking Predator by going to Comic Con - it had lost its lustre; in the sense that it was no longer mysterious in the way the alien in Ridley Scott's first Alien was mysterious."
"If we could even capture half of that creepiness that he had and, also, keep some of the humour of the first one, too; I'm just keeping the torch for what I think was the better version. This one's supposed to feel like: get your tickets a month in advance, you know its coming, it's exciting to you in the way hopefully that Prometheus or the Alien prequel will be."
"So, we're trying to up the stakes that way; just making it full of ideas and mystery," he concluded.
Please! Someone ask him something new!
Now he's saying we'll want to buy tickets a month in advance, instead of three months like he said before. I guess his enthusiasm got toned down. :D
Shane Black: Predator will have humour
Hardly surprising with Black behind it.
How much longer will I read "Predator remake" in the title and articles? These reporters have one job, and can't be bothered to check anything.
No-one checks now-a-days. :-\
I bet even a title that denies The Predator being a reboot will say "Predator reboot is not a reboot"
:laugh: I wouldn't put it past them.
Still no word on a Christmas setting. :laugh:
I don't know how serious he was about it but he spoke about that trend in the Empire podcast. He said something to the effect of now people are well aware of it and look for it, he might just stop doing it. He doesn't want it to become some kind of joke.
I haven't been following the press for this film too closely, but has anyone at all asked him how he's approaching this movie based on his super-clandestine-insider role within the production of the first film? Maybe it's irrelevant, but I'd definitely ask him how his outlook on The Predator is effected by his experience being hired to write an unused draft of the original film, and then to keep an eye on the inexperienced John McTiernan and report back to the big boys. Am I off base here? I was under the impression that Joel Silver hired him for this reason. I find it humorous that he's now in the position of directing a Predator film after working on the first one to essentially spy on the director, and I just think it'd be an interesting question for one of these media journalists to ask that isn't another variant of "omg what's the new one going to be like!?"...and so of course it probably won't get asked or even researched I'm sure.
It was one of the reasons they hired him - as a bit of a "oh, he's a writer too. He can help them on the script" but he wasn't interested in doing that. He said he didn't do anything to it. He's talked about it in some of the press for The Nice Guys though I can't remember which one.
He's said the only things he wrote on Predator were his jokes.
So you guys reckon this will be a Black Comedy?
...oops, sorry!
"Jeez, you got a big pussyface!" :laugh:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 04, 2016, 12:32:38 PM
He's said the only things he wrote on Predator were his jokes.
Was it the Empire one?
Yep. He may well have mentioned it elsewhere too but he definitely spoke about it there.
If you check the latest scripts revisions, you can see that Black was only doing slight rewrites, he did a great
job at creating memorable one liners tho.He's never credited on the paper.
He didn't do any rewrites on the script. He's said so himself. He adamantly refused to rewrite the script when asked to do so. The only parts he "wrote" were his own jokes.
http://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2016/06/09/shane-black-plans-to-bring-mystery-back-to-the-predator-franchise
There is a Video, nothing really new but they briefly talk about Dwayne Johnson.
I think he's already confirmed that's for Doc Savage?
I love his enthusiasm.
QuoteI'm just having a ball. I'm getting more excited by the day, 30 years later working on this damn thing. Who would have thought when we started out and they were saying 'Geez the costume doesn't work - throw this back to Winston and let him save the day!" Eight weeks later "I don't know, looks like dreadlocks to me!" Suddenly it's the most iconic costume ever. It's the most iconic movie ever. It's lasted 30 years and here I am god blessedly making a... it's just unbelievable to me.
But he keeps referring to Predators as they're set in the future. Someone should straighten him out.
Though he could deliberately PUSH them into future, since nothing really says it's 2010. in Predators.
Quote from: overthere on Jun 09, 2016, 06:45:41 PM
But he keeps referring to Predators as they're set in the future. Someone should straighten him out.
Though he could deliberately PUSH them into future, since nothing really says it's 2010. in Predators.
I hope someone mentions it eventually. Pushing it into the future doesn't really serve any purpose.
Can't believe we're getting a new Alien movie and a new Predator movie within a year of each other. It's like 1986/1987 when we got the double whammy of Aliens and Predator.
Imagine The Predator being a huge hit which begs for more sequels.
Quote from: overthere on Jun 15, 2016, 11:14:45 AM
Imagine The Predator being a huge hit which begs for more sequels.
But imagine if it flops.
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jun 15, 2016, 08:58:59 PMBut imagine if it flops.
Pretty pessimistic :P
I'm reasonably confident it'll be a good film at this point.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 15, 2016, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jun 15, 2016, 08:58:59 PMBut imagine if it flops.
Pretty pessimistic :P
I'm reasonably confident it'll be a good film at this point.
???
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 15, 2016, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jun 15, 2016, 08:58:59 PMBut imagine if it flops.
Pretty pessimistic :P
I'm reasonably confident it'll be a good film at this point.
All the right things are being said. I'm really pretty confident about it myself.
Quote from: overthere on Jun 09, 2016, 06:45:41 PM
I love his enthusiasm.
QuoteI'm just having a ball. I'm getting more excited by the day, 30 years later working on this damn thing. Who would have thought when we started out and they were saying 'Geez the costume doesn't work - throw this back to Winston and let him save the day!" Eight weeks later "I don't know, looks like dreadlocks to me!" Suddenly it's the most iconic costume ever. It's the most iconic movie ever. It's lasted 30 years and here I am god blessedly making a... it's just unbelievable to me.
But he keeps referring to Predators as they're set in the future. Someone should straighten him out.
Though he could deliberately PUSH them into future, since nothing really says it's 2010. in Predators.
Nikolai says he was abducted from Chechnya. The last Russian-Chechnyan conflict ended in 2009, so Predators has to be before that.
Maybe another conflict happened in 2020.
I'd prefer to keep Predators in the recent past. The prequel comic had Royce fighting a very modern age war in Africa, nothing remotely futuristic.
Quote from: EJA on Jun 27, 2016, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: overthere on Jun 09, 2016, 06:45:41 PM
I love his enthusiasm.
QuoteI'm just having a ball. I'm getting more excited by the day, 30 years later working on this damn thing. Who would have thought when we started out and they were saying 'Geez the costume doesn't work - throw this back to Winston and let him save the day!" Eight weeks later "I don't know, looks like dreadlocks to me!" Suddenly it's the most iconic costume ever. It's the most iconic movie ever. It's lasted 30 years and here I am god blessedly making a... it's just unbelievable to me.
But he keeps referring to Predators as they're set in the future. Someone should straighten him out.
Though he could deliberately PUSH them into future, since nothing really says it's 2010. in Predators.
Nikolai says he was abducted from Chechnya. The last Russian-Chechnyan conflict ended in 2009, so Predators has to be before that.
But insurgency still continues.
It's been so quiet recently, I forgot about the movie.
See, the only way I think this movie could be an actual sequel to the first movie is if it revisits characters or locations from the first movie, something the rest of the fiction hasn't done. In terms of characters, there are really only two: Dutch and Anna. If Schwarzenegger is unavailable or uninterested, that only leaves Anna. But perhaps there is another character from the first film that could be utilized: Jim Hopper. It's assumed Jungle Hunter kills him, but we don't know that for sure. Maybe he's still out there somewhere? The obvious location to be returned to would be Val Verde, perhaps to finally find Jungle Hunter's ship?
Quote from: EJA on Jul 08, 2016, 12:49:14 PMIn terms of characters, there are really only two: Dutch and Anna.
I'd really love to see the Anna stuff they filmed for
Predator 2 but never used.
It wasn't much in the script, but I can imagine her delivering the lines. She is fantastic in the original.
What does she say/do in the script? Anyone got a link?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/downloads/
Should all be on here.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 09, 2016, 11:57:14 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/downloads/
Should all be on here.
Not letting me download :(
I've opened them fine.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/predator-2-1989-12-15.pdf
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/predator-2-1990-16-01.pdf
Should we be worried Shane is going to pull the same kind of stunt he did with Mandarin? Get a lot of fans pissed off.
Quote from: overthere on Jul 15, 2016, 08:59:27 PM
Should we be worried Shane is going to pull the same kind of stunt he did with Mandarin? Get a lot of fans pissed off.
I'm worried that saying things like "this will be an event film," "people will want to go and see it," and other things along those lines may raise expectations too high and cause disappointments as a result.
But I still have high hopes for this film and hope it does well. I can't wait to see it.
Quote from: overthere on Jul 15, 2016, 08:59:27 PMShould we be worried Shane is going to pull the same kind of stunt he did with Mandarin? Get a lot of fans pissed off.
I loved what he did with the Mandarin lol.
Me too.
Same here.
It was great!
Doesn't matter if it was great, but it was a drastic turn on the character. Something like if it turns out Predator is a remotely controlled robot.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/q83/s526x395/13659132_861130520684934_1583728450580840412_n.jpg?oh=16ae22cd3dbb5893581acb7ad3232a70&oe=582A640A)
QuoteSay what you will about "Stranger Things" being a pastiche of '80s genre fiction and movies (Stephen King, E.T., ALIEN, "Twin Peaks," POLTERGEIST, etc. Maybe even one or two things I did ;-). The fact is, it stands on its own as a beautifully written and realized work of imaginative, emotional, absolutely top notch genre movie-making. Or as Shane Black and I said the other day while working on re-writes for THE PREDATOR, "What would the Duffer Brothers do?" My highest recommendation.
I wonder if these re-writes are the result of a certain actors availability or non-availability.
What I would absolutely love is for them to push filming back in order to get Ryan Gosling.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 26, 2016, 01:27:28 PM
What I would absolutely love is for them to push filming back in order to get Ryan Gosling.
Nooooo, no Ryan Gosling please. He's just there to attract women. His face doesn't belong in a Predator movie.
A Pred would have its face stomped into mush before he even knew it if Gosling were around.
Too close-minded.
I hate Gosling, but then again he was actually excellent in The Nice Guys, so I'd be open-minded about him being cast.
Haven`t seen Nice Guys but Drive was one big mistake. Totaly different kind of actor then what I`d would consider for predator.
I've not seen Drive but I see nothing but praise for Gosling in that. I have seen The Nice Guys and I thoroughly enjoyed that. Great film.
Charlie Hunnam should be in it...since he ditched Pacific Rim
Just a little nugget: The Predator is going to film under the production-name "Ollie" in Vancouver. Ollie is the name of Shane Black's dog which appeared in a little part of "Edge", also directed by Black.
Cool. Best be keeping our eyes open. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Xan21 on Jul 27, 2016, 02:33:03 PM
Charlie Hunnam should be in it...since he ditched Pacific Rim
Or we could get people who can act and have more charisma than a baked potato.
Better than Vin Diesel, the Rock etc...
The Rock has bucketloads of charisma.
Just like, say, Arnie in the 1980s...
But he is a parody of himself... can't take him seriously... although he has the build for it.
:laugh: And Arnie isn't?!
Still can`t understand why Vin Diesel wasn`t in Ps. Royce role was just perfect for him.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 29, 2016, 10:58:19 AM
:laugh: And Arnie isn't?!
I found Arnie much more serious in Predator than in other roles, but I give more credit to John McTiernan for that.
Vin Diesel would look like a kid compared to a predator, and his face is like a messed up mr Potatoe head. If he's in I will never watch it.
The Rock can be serious if he's got the role for it. He was great in Faster.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 29, 2016, 12:47:50 PM
The Rock can be serious if he's got the role for it. He was great in Faster.
Agreed. He did a great job in faster. Did a great job of being serious in snitch as well. But I don't think he'd do well in a predator film. Just not the right place for him
Sorry if this is old news - I saw this this morning. So we have City Hunter, Wolf... meet....
"Ollie."
http://www.scified.com/news/exclusive-production-title-for-shane-blacks-the-predator-revealed
Handsome posted it the day before their "exclusive" scoop. And we saw it in the Production Update I posted yesterday. Gotta check the front page, bro! :P
Ollie, huh? So the Predator will get stranded on Lian Yu, then. :laugh:
I'd lose my shit if Amell was cast. Massive man crush. :laugh:
For the first time since the movie was announced, I'm getting worried that it may not turn out to be a good Predator movie. Never considered that possibility before, but I'm worried when we get the cast announced we'll all go "wtf!?"
"Wtf" doesn't worry me. Plenty of out-there casting choices have ended up working brilliantly.
I'm not just worried about the casting. I saw The Nice Guys recently and while it's decent, it feels like Shane is always making the same movie. I wonder how his style will work in a Predator movie.
Just a slight worrying feeling as we're closing more news and actual shooting.
Just a little snippet of an inteview with Black i havent seen before:
Quote"On Predator I have essentially signed the papers. I'm all in. Fox agreed that this Predator should have that degree of... premeditation, in a way, and attention to detail, and to some extent a bigger budget. Not stratospheric, but we have the ability to make a Predator movie that hopefully, if I've done my job, will reinvigorate the idea, make it mysterious again.
"There was a subsection of people who were saying, 'Make a movie about the Predator world!' But do you really want to see a Predator hit the alarm clock with the funny digital lettering, and go and eat his flayed Venusian for breakfast? I thought that to keep it on Earth and with this frightened, helpless, we're-just-humans-in-a-big-universe point of view is probably the way to go. Look how Ridley presented the alien in that first movie. Everything about it was terrifying and mysterious."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/06/03/shane-black-the-lethal-weapon-writer-on-his-explosive-rise-and-s/
I heard Black say that a lot lately "It's not going to be huge/It doesn't have to be huge", so obviously it's not going to be another Iron Man 3 in terms of scale, but i think FOX will go the Deadpool route with a 60 - 70 million Budget (at max), which would be a significant uprise from the usual 35 - 38 million Sequels anyway and probably be enough for it to feel like an "even picture".
Lets see it how it is, were still talking about Predator here, and while the fanbase is solid, it's not huge enough to justify Marvel-movie like Budgets, which some are expecting.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 03, 2016, 01:36:42 PM
Lets see it how it is, were still talking about Predator here, and while the fanbase is solid, it's not huge enough to justify Marvel-movie like Budgets, which some are expecting.
Shane's right about Predator's home world. It just can't be done without ruining the mystery.
You're right about the fanbase, but if he manages to get Ben Affleck or some other big name and this movie turns out great, it could draw new fans and be huge. Predator movies are not that different from superhero movies, it has potential to be huge, if done right.
Predator is a household name. Everyone knows about it, but not enough people care. This movie could change that.
You're exactly right, Overthere. Even casting someone like Christian Bale will bring in non-genre fans. Because it's no longer just a Predator movie, but a Christian Bale movie. Heck right now it's more than just a Predator movie. It's a Shane Black movie.
In the way that Predators COULDN'T be a "Nimrod Antal" movie because he's not known or an auteur.
I understand what you guys are saying, but the name Shane Black doesn't get asses into seats, look at "The Nice Guys".
Bale already passed, so did Tom Hardy... and Affleck... and Bradley Cooper... you see? The brand has lost it's lustre for many people so right now the job is to regain some interest, that's why Fox is probably a little cautious... optimistic yes, but still cautious, and rightly so, if you look at the past numbers, which is what every company in every business does.
But we get a bigger budget anyway, which is good, but don't hold your breath is all i say.
I don't mean getting asses into seats. I mean getting actors who put asses in seats, who want to work with Black.
Affleck has tons of Batman duties. Hardy has Dunkirk. Cooper is gearing up to direct a movie.
The movie simply can't afford to go forward without a big name. Outside of Cavill, I'm even hearing rumblings of Dwayne Johnson(obvious), Downey Jr., and Wahlberg. Johnson and Wahlberg would be awful choices to me. They're so B-Movie to me for some reason.
If it is good enough for Black, then it's good enough for just about any actor.
Ok. Now I'm hearing the actor announcement will be within the next 10 days. Here's hoping.
You're hearing a lot aren't you.. and it's all BS.
Ooooh, ok.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 03, 2016, 11:40:09 AM
For the first time since the movie was announced, I'm getting worried that it may not turn out to be a good Predator movie. Never considered that possibility before, but I'm worried when we get the cast announced we'll all go "wtf!?"
Better that than to go "Yawn" which is would be my reaction if Vin Diesel or the Rock were cast in the leading role.
Well I guess I can make it a priority now to survive at least until April 2018.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 03, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
Ok. Now I'm hearing the actor announcement will be within the next 10 days. Here's hoping.
I have a feeling they cast Henry Cavill or someone else from Justice League. That wraps filming end of September so i think it's Cavill they are waiting for. Shane seems to be after Superhero actors (Bale/Affleck/Hardy), and i wouldn't be surprised at all if they announce Cavill in a couple of weeks.
I would be OK with this, really liked him in U.N.C.L.E and the guy certainly has a strong physical presence.
I wouldn't mind Cavill at all. Keep in mind his limited facial expressions are probably a part of Zack's vision of Superman. It's not like the guy can't laugh at all or show emotion other than constipation.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 04, 2016, 08:46:48 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 03, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
Ok. Now I'm hearing the actor announcement will be within the next 10 days. Here's hoping.
I have a feeling they cast Henry Cavill or someone else from Justice League. That wraps filming end of September so i think it's Cavill they are waiting for. Shane seems to be after Superhero actors (Bale/Affleck/Hardy), and i wouldn't be surprised at all if they announce Cavill in a couple of weeks.
I would be OK with this, really liked him in U.N.C.L.E and the guy certainly has a strong physical presence.
Cavill has been the rumor. And he has nothing else lined up so it'll probably be him. Fox wants fresh blood to prepare for a trilogy and Shane wants old Hollywood stars. People who have tested for roles are: Zac Efron, Liam Hemsworth, the dude from the latest Tarzan.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 04, 2016, 01:46:43 PM
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 03, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
Ok. Now I'm hearing the actor announcement will be within the next 10 days. Here's hoping.
I have a feeling they cast Henry Cavill or someone else from Justice League. That wraps filming end of September so i think it's Cavill they are waiting for. Shane seems to be after Superhero actors (Bale/Affleck/Hardy), and i wouldn't be surprised at all if they announce Cavill in a couple of weeks.
I would be OK with this, really liked him in U.N.C.L.E and the guy certainly has a strong physical presence.
People who have tested for roles are: Zac Efron, Liam Hemsworth, the dude from the latest Tarzan.
And you know this from... ?
An acquaintance from Fox.
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Aug 04, 2016, 02:55:05 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 04, 2016, 02:28:41 PM
An acquaintance from Fox.
Are you in anyway connected?
Not to Fox. I'm just an assistant to a moderately successful producer elsewhere.
Jesus Christ... Zac Efron? This all sounds kind of fake to me. I'm not saying you don't know this stuff, BishopShouldGo (and not including Zac Efron, some of the casting choices sound great), but unfortunately you're an anonymous person on a forum, so I'm not exactly hanging on your every word here.
Maybe they'll get Jason Momoa as the lead or a secondary character.
Quote from: Super Predator on Aug 05, 2016, 04:39:29 AM
Maybe they'll get Jason Momoa as the lead or a secondary character.
That's actually very good idea.
Aquaman v Predator: Dawn of Watersports
Still better love story then Twilight.
Just read that DUNKIRK wraps production at the end of September... so there is still a chance for Tom Hardy, which would be my personal favourite at the moment.
I agree, Tom would be valuable asset. But Zac Efron? Seriously that's bullshit. But on the other hand we had Topher Grace in Ps...
It all depends on style of the film I guess, but I'd stick with more physical approach when it comes to actors. That's what made such impact in first one. Powerful guys so helpless when confronted with alien enemy.
Zac Efron would be too busy tweezing his eyebrows to notice the Predator's tracking laser.
Quote from: Mister Skeezler on Aug 05, 2016, 02:11:12 AM
Jesus Christ... Zac Efron? This all sounds kind of fake to me. I'm not saying you don't know this stuff, BishopShouldGo (and not including Zac Efron, some of the casting choices sound great), but unfortunately you're an anonymous person on a forum, so I'm not exactly hanging on your every word here.
Understood. I'd be the same way.
But Zac can bring the gravitas when necessary, and got pretty buff for Baywatch ALTHOUGH I think Predator is past being a macho movie by now.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 05, 2016, 07:31:18 AM
Just read that DUNKIRK wraps production at the end of September... so there is still a chance for Tom Hardy, which would be my personal favourite at the moment.
Yeah. Hardy would be phenomenal.
Shane's writing is always clever and witty, I can't wait to see how it translates to Predator. I wonder if the Predator will show hints of a sense of humor or something like that, since Shane's characters always react to violence in unpredictable ways.
Word has it the Predator will have a big pussy in this one.
Shouldn't you be at the predator imdb board with those comments?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2016, 05:35:53 PM
Word has it the Predator will have a big pussy big pussy in this one.
Why did you say that twice?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2016, 05:35:53 PM
Word has it the Predator will have a big pussy in this one.
Jeez.
I also hear Quinn McKenna will shoot the Predator with a tiny revolver he keeps near his balls.
Touché.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2016, 05:35:53 PM
Word has it the Predator will have a big pussy in this one.
Is it as big as a house?
Hey guys. I threw together a video where I cover The Predator news articles as they appeared here on AvPG! Take a look and let me know what you think!
They started to cast extras in Vancouver, Andrea Brown is responsible:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0113014/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
She's not yet added on IMDB, but i guess soon.
Source
http://www.creativebc.com/crbc-services/motion-picture-services/in-production
Hoping we'll see some casting sheets soon.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2016, 09:51:43 AM
Hoping we'll see some casting sheets soon.
Can't wait for some news on casting, they sure as hell have at least 70% of the movie cast already, but everybody is really tight lipped.
Cool, hope part of the main cast will be announced soon...
Same here. I'm curious as to who'll star.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 03, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
Ok. Now I'm hearing the actor announcement will be within the next 10 days. Here's hoping.
Any news your source who works at Fox?
His source is wrong, my exclusive source told me the actor announcement will be within the next two months.
That long? I thought we would know in a few days or something...bummer...
Quote from: Xan21 on Aug 19, 2016, 08:15:38 AM
That long? I thought we would know in a few days or something...bummer...
At least it's not next year.
That'd be just before shooting. It's likely places like Deadline will pick up on any leaks though.
Guys, i was being sarcastic, i said two months because shooting starts then and by then we sure as hell will know who will star in The Predator.
You missed the :P off
Quote from: Darkoo on Aug 19, 2016, 07:14:29 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 03, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
Ok. Now I'm hearing the actor announcement will be within the next 10 days. Here's hoping.
Any news your source who works at Fox?
I'll ask again next week. I think Hardy and Cavill are the likely guys though.
If Downey Jr. had reduced his $20 million fee, we would be seeing him as Quinn.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 19, 2016, 03:19:01 PM
I'll ask again next week. I think Hardy and Cavill are the likely guys though.
If Downey Jr. had reduced his $20 million fee, we would be seeing him as Quinn.
Holy cow.
If true, this is good. They'll at least attract audience who otherwise wouldn't have seen the movie.
I wonder if this movie will have a name for Predators.
QuoteThere's a trend today where studios are rebooting properties by making them half-sequel, half-remake. You saw it with STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS, TERMINATOR: GENISYS, JURASSIC WORLD, etc. Would you say THE PREDATOR fits into that category, or is it its own thing?
I think it has to stand on its own two feet, but our goal is to make sure it acknowledges that, yeah, it is 30 years later in the continuity of the story. In other words, Dutch Schaefer's patrol, which was attacked and largely slaughtered, happened 30 years ago in the context of the story. It's referenced, it's part of the mythology. In that way, it's more of a sequel than a reboot.
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/exclusive-shane-black-talks-to-us-about-screenwriting-and-the-predator-156
Quote from: overthere on Sep 13, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
I wonder if this movie will have a name for Predators.
Yes.
Predators.
To be fair, the films have never really called them anything. Keyes' "predator" remark in the second movie comes across as pretty off-hand.
I was just thinking it would be cool if there was a predator hunting someone in a car chase scene.
Quote from: ace3g on Nov 23, 2016, 04:39:14 AM
I was just thinking it would be cool if there was a predator hunting someone in a car chase scene.
Reminds me of a comic where a Predator is leaping after someone in a car.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Nov 23, 2016, 05:21:03 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Nov 23, 2016, 04:39:14 AM
I was just thinking it would be cool if there was a predator hunting someone in a car chase scene.
Reminds me of a comic where a Predator is leaping after someone in a car.
That's from Predator: Big Game.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 23, 2016, 07:48:15 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Nov 23, 2016, 05:21:03 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Nov 23, 2016, 04:39:14 AM
I was just thinking it would be cool if there was a predator hunting someone in a car chase scene.
Reminds me of a comic where a Predator is leaping after someone in a car.
That's from Predator: Big Game.
Also Predator: invaders from the 4th dimension.
Cant not wait to see this and the next movie.
Seems a bit frustrating that the new script lacks any real depth of the yautja lore. I was really hoping for some more detail of yautja prime etc
They might change some stuff for the final version. The Predator homeworld was not part of the AVPR script, either.