Don't think there is a 40k thread yet, so i decided to create one :P
I played 40k since 3rd edition and while i took breaks from the hobby i aways returned after a while.
Would love to talk about the hobby, lore and everything that belongs to it. There has beein quiet the shakeup, lore and rule wise in recent history.
So that can be a good starting point for discussion. But feel free to mention anything you are interessted in talking about.
If you have some nice painted minis or conversions, feel free to brag and show them. :)
Any other fans out there?
The lore fascinates me so I read the novels, but I don't own any of the tabletop gaming material. The only video game I ever played was Space Marine, which I liked a lot.
I'm a big fan of the 40k lore, and I build and paint miniatures, and I'm somewhat less interested in the tabletop game (although I do play it occasionally).
The depth and breadth of the lore just blows my mind, though. It's like "Star Wars"-levels of intricate but it's not a part of the pop-culture consciousness to nearly the same degree.
Space Marine is a fantastic game, and I wish it would get a sequel. Some other winners are Dawn of War 1 and 2 (if you like real-time strategy games), Regicide (if you like chess, or especially Battle Chess (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Chess)), and Mechanicus (if you like XCOM).
As I think about it, I was going to make a separate thread for this but I might as well post it here.
There's a really fun mobile game for iPhone/Android called "Freeblade", where you play as an Imperial Knight and stomp around and kill Orks by the hundreds and blow stuff up. It lets you customize your own Knight and kit it out with different weapons, custom paint schemes and decals, all kinds of stuff. I got totally addicted to the game and dumped an unhealthy number of hours into it, and then I got the crazy idea to build my in-game Knight in real life.
So I did it.
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The in-game model is actually very accurate to the miniature's sculpt, so I went out of my way to color match the miniature to the game as closely as possible, including individual pipes and hoses in the superstructure, the patterns on the banner fringe, and the colors of weapon lenses. I had to make a couple of concessions because the pieces were too tiny or tucked away where my paint brush couldn't reach, or the in-game model didn't quite match up to the miniature, and I couldn't match up the decals because I had to work with what came with the model kit, but other than that it's a very accurate recreation of my in-game Knight. I even threw in the game's multicolored purity seals as an "easter egg".
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Wow! That really is a fantastic piece of paintwork, utterly flawless as far as I can see. I particularly like the silver drybrushing on the mechanicals.
Sadly I haven't read the books yet but I have been fascinated from the bits of lore I have read or played in video games. A world where humans have become advanced yet utterly ruthless in their goals.
A friend recommended for me to read the horus heresy (I think its called), I am going to try and get it when I have time.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2018, 11:27:33 AM
Sadly I haven't read the books yet but I have been fascinated from the bits of lore I have read or played in video games. A world where humans have become advanced yet utterly ruthless in their goals.
A friend recommended for me to read the horus heresy (I think its called), I am going to try and get it when I have time.
the Horus Heresy is the sort of prequel storyline to the "contemporary" Warhammer 40k setting. It used to be sort of background stuff that would occasionally get referenced in sourcebooks and the like, but lately it's been getting its own (utterly massive) book series that's been running for several years now, and is finally entering the last act. If your friend is recommending that you "read the horus heresy" you might want to ask for clarification on what he means - the Horus Heresy book series is over 50 books and growing. :P
Well....damn..
Oh well, at least I will have plenty to read! :laugh:
I can certainly vouch for Eisenhorn if you're looking for WH40K books. It did a huge amount to flesh out the general existence of people living in that universe (not just the superhero warrior monks, infinite armies and immortal psychic daemons), so is maybe the most foundational piece of WH40K writing since the original Rogue Trader game. Gaunt's Ghosts by the same writer followed along those lines too.
It's not part of the Horus Heresy setting though. Eisenhorn is just a random Inquisitor in the 'current' day of WH40K (so the year 40,000). The Horus Heresy is the series of events around the year 30,000 which ended humanity's relatively optimistic phase and brought about the long decline and Grim Darkness of the rest of the canon. Stories set around that time tend to revolve around living demigods responsible for billions of lives, rather than the small-scale skirmishes in Eisenhorn.
(This all comes with the caveat that I've read very few Warhammer novels. If you just want to learn about the universe, it's probably best to pick up the rulebook. Been a while since I last bought one, but they tend to cover all the basics.)
Alternately if you just want Cliffs Notes of the lore, the Lexicanum fan-wiki is a very good place to start.
Also Dan Abnett is arguably the best author in the Black Library stable, anything by him is worth your time.
The novels cover a pretty broad range of topics, though - if you like Space Marines, there are a lot (A LOT) of novels about Space Marines, with most of the well-known chapters getting their own novels or series. If you want to read about Chaos Space Marines, there's a pretty good selection of those, too.
If you want more lighthearted 40k, I highly recommend the Ciaphas Cain books - they've been collected into two omnibuses.
There's also some damn good YouTube channels on 40k lore in case you don't have time to read the books or wikis. I like these two the most.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyPjE1Sn-Ts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyPjE1Sn-Ts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpmaNo_I31A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpmaNo_I31A)
40k Theories is a really good channel, the guy who runs it tries to make things (reasonably) accessible for newcomers, and also has a bunch of "40k for dummies" introductory videos. He does a lot of "theory" videos, but unlike the vast majority of fandom clickbait theories, he exhaustively researches his stuff and provides citations for everything, and even takes the time to debunk his own theory and provide alternate interpretations and explanations, it's really refreshing.
What if it turns out that the Tyranids were created by the Men of Iron?
I'm sure he'll have a video about it.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 30, 2018, 08:28:29 AM
Space Marine is a fantastic game, and I wish it would get a sequel. Some other winners are Dawn of War 1 and 2 (if you like real-time strategy games), Regicide (if you like chess, or especially Battle Chess (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Chess)), and Mechanicus (if you like XCOM).
Lookee what's on sale...
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/deals-with-gold (https://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/deals-with-gold)
I'm painting up a Dreadnought in honor of the the Astral Knights Space Marine Chapter (https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_World_Engine). I'd wanted an excuse to paint and build a Dreadnought just because I think they look cool and their mere concept is hilarious to me, and the Astral Knights' story is just too badass not to acknowledge.
I'm just about done constructing my Khorne daemon army, and am also putting together a Thousand Sons/Tzeentch daemon army (I still need to buy a Helbrute when I have the money). I'm also currently reading the Ahriman Omnibus which I would highly recommend for someone who like Chaos.
I finished some reinforcements for my Necron kill team, Lefty and Righty:
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Noice! I particularly like the rust effect.
Finished reading Flight of the Eisenstein not too long ago. Plan on reading Fulgrim next. What should I read afterwords though?
Do you want to read more about the Horus Heresy or "current" events? I quite enjoyed Dark Imperium.
After Fulgrim, you can pretty much jump around as you like, as the narrative largely stops being linear. I personally would recommend First Heretic as it goes into real origins of the Heresy and who fell to Chaos first.
As to my armies, as soon as my Bloodthrone is completed, my Khorne daemon army will be done. I just ordered a Contemptor Dreadnought for my Thousand Sons arm and will make it Hellforged. For weapons, I think that I'll use two chainfists for melee and two butcher's cannons or soulburners for my firepower.
I want to continue with the Horus Heresy. I'm quite interested in Magnus and I also need to know how the confrontation between Horus and the Emperor goes down. But which books cover the main events that chronologically come after the bombing of Istvaan III. First Heretic sounds like a must read also.
I just finished First Heretic a few weeks ago. Loved it. I also like the Angron novels. The World Eaters are fascinating.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 09, 2019, 04:01:37 AM
I just finished First Heretic a few weeks ago. Loved it. I also like the Angron novels. The World Eaters are fascinating.
First Heretic was great. I loved the idea of full possessed Chaos Space Marines commanding a ship, and hope we see it again some time.
Has anyone here checked out the previews for the new Shadow Spear box? There's a bunch of new Primaris, a new Daemon Engine, a sorcerer called the Lord of Possession, new CSM and probably some other stuff. Also, the Abbadon model itself has been teased and it looks amazing.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 11, 2019, 06:44:12 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 09, 2019, 04:01:37 AM
I just finished First Heretic a few weeks ago. Loved it. I also like the Angron novels. The World Eaters are fascinating.
First Heretic was great. I loved the idea of full possessed Chaos Space Marines commanding a ship, and hope we see it again some time.
I used to think the Word Bearers sucked until I read that novel.
I'm working my way through 'The World Engine', which features the most ridiculous Space Marine last stand in 40k history (https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_World_Engine), a battle so goddamn ridiculous it got mentioned in four separate 5th Edition Codexes.
I just finished The Armour of Fate and now I'm starting on Dark Imperium: Plague War.
I'm planning to get back into 40k this summer once I've got some free time, stupidly gave it up in High School. Stumbled across the Astartes clips on youtube, and the animated Helsreach and it rekindled my interest. Any pointers for where to start, as I'm guessing things have changed in seventeen years.
Side note. I'm also addicted to this series
When you say "where to start", do you mean in terms of playing the tabletop game, or the lore, or...?
Yeah, 40k is an IP with many different rabbit holes.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 22, 2019, 03:41:37 AM
When you say "where to start", do you mean in terms of playing the tabletop game, or the lore, or...?
You should check out 40K lore channels online. Personally, I think 40K Theories are the best. Also, if it's in your area, go to a local Games Workshop and ask around about the various factions, lore, play style. You can also browse around and see if any of the armies look interesting to you. The lore is amazing, and the Black Library website is a great place to start looking into it, but the game is also quite fun. If you to start relatively cheaply, get the Kill Team core rule book and buy a small pack or two of models. Kill Team is a great way to play the game without having to invest alot.
The content of the upcoming Shadowspear box is revealed:
Chaos stuff looks great but the Primaris get more and more ridiculous.
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Some recent-ish additions to my swarm, a retro-Tyrant and more warriors:
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Nice work on your nids.
Absolutely love the 3rd edition tyrant. Good idea to put the carnifex's claws on him, It looks great.
Thanks man. They're actually the slightly smaller Tyrant Guard claws, the 'fex ones didn't fit. I mostly play an older edition so they get used as a second pair of scythes but can also pull monstrous rending claw duty in 8th.
Nice neat highlights there, and the bases look very appropriate.
Funny that 3rd Ed counts as the classic Hive Tyrant now. But yeah, I guess it is, given that they surprisingly basically reprised the original model for the modern version. I wish they'd do the same for the Carnifex - the current model is cool, but the original screaming ragequit crab was one of WH40k's most iconic designs.
I also liked the way that most of the 2nd Ed Tyranids were clearly based on the Warrior or Termagant bodyplan, and the fiction spelt that out too. You could see the evolution in action.
I've got a couple of the OG tyrants too, but i need to build some tall as f**k bases for them to bring them up to acceptable LOS profiles.
I wanna see some really disgusting Plague Marines.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2019, 02:56:52 AM
I wanna see some really disgusting Plague Marines.
The current models out are actually pretty visceral, and do capture what Nurgle is all about:
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2009/7935/products/99120102081_ETBDeathGuardLordFelthius06_500x.jpg?v=1513458399)
Also, last night finally finished organizing my Khorne Daemon army list:
Warlord Battalion:
Daemon Prince of Chaos with Malefic talons [HQ] [Warlord] (Mark of Khorne) (Trait: Oblivious to Pain) (Artefact – Armour of Scorn)
Herald (Bloodmaster) [HQ]
Blood Throne [HQ] (Artefact – Crimson Crown)
Soul Grinder [Heavy Support] (Mark of Khorne)
1 x 30 Bloodletters (with Banner of Blood/Icon and Instrument of Chaos)
1 x 10 Bloodletters
Winged Daemon Prince Battalion:
Daemon Prince with Wings, Daemonic axe, and one set of talons [HQ] (Mark of Khorne) (Artefact – Skull Reaver)
Karanak [HQ]
Skull Cannon [Heavy Support]
1 x 10 Bloodletters
1 x 10 Bloodletters
1 x 15 Bloodletters
Skulltaker Battalion:
Skulltaker [HQ]
Daemon Prince of Chaos with Malefic talons [HQ] (Mark of Khorne)
Skull Cannon [Heavy Support]
1 x 20 Bloodletters
1 x 10 Bloodletters
1 x 10 Bloodletters
Total points: 1997
Command points (original): 18
Command points (remaining after artefacts and Blood Banner): 14
I was thinking of putting in my Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury, but since they tend to be magnets for enemy firepower, I ditched it and put in another Daemon Prince (which in some ways is better than a BT) and more Bloodletters.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Mar 04, 2019, 07:16:00 PM
Chaos stuff looks great but the Primaris get more and more ridiculous.
What's wrong with the Primaris? ???
They're not for everyone, and i can see why. I like (nearly) all the primaris releases so far, but i'm also the type to convert nearly everything so i see the potential in them rather than being satisfied with the base models.
Do you just mean the models or the concept?
And since we're on the subject of conversions, here's two of my biovores and some primaris/truescale:
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2019, 06:37:53 AM
Do you just mean the models or the concept?
I mean the models. I like em but i get why some don't. The concept is a cop-out rather than just going truescale but i'm not like, mad about it or anything. I don't care what they do to the marine factions fluff-wise.
Got any primarchs?
None of the ones i like have been released yet (40k), and 30k is a rabbit hole i can't afford to go down. One of my regular opponents has both Morty and Maggy though.
Awesome biovores.
They actually look like they are specialised variations of the basic warrior\gaunt combat forms.
Most of the primaris are alright i guess and the lore behind them is not too outlandish by 40k standards. But i don't really dig their starcraft/videogame look and most of all Iam pretty mad that my Black Legion, Grey Knights and Deathwatch look like midgets now to be honest ;D
Some of their models look plain stupid though. Look at these dudes :
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Quote from: The Kurgan on Mar 07, 2019, 07:19:17 AM
Awesome biovores.
They actually look like they are specialised variations of the basic warrior\gaunt combat forms.
Most of the primaris are alright i guess and the lore behind them is not too outlandish by 40k standards. But i don't really dig their starcraft/videogame look and most of all Iam pretty mad that my Black Legion, Grey Knights and Deathwatch look like midgets now to be honest ;D
Some of their models look plain stupid though. Look at these dudes :
(https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ShadowspearPreview-Mar3-Suppressors3dn.jpg)
Cheers m8. That's definitely what i was going for, a more obviously warrior-strain biovore.
In regards to those new primaris, i like the core of the model, but the flight stands and smaller backpacks are definitely a mis-step. Altering the feet and putting them straight on the base, or adding classic jump packs both make the models so much better.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 07, 2019, 07:40:48 AM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Mar 07, 2019, 07:19:17 AM
Awesome biovores.
They actually look like they are specialised variations of the basic warrior\gaunt combat forms.
Most of the primaris are alright i guess and the lore behind them is not too outlandish by 40k standards. But i don't really dig their starcraft/videogame look and most of all Iam pretty mad that my Black Legion, Grey Knights and Deathwatch look like midgets now to be honest ;D
Some of their models look plain stupid though. Look at these dudes :
(https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ShadowspearPreview-Mar3-Suppressors3dn.jpg)
Cheers m8. That's definitely what i was going for, a more obviously warrior-strain biovore.
In regards to those new primaris, i like the core of the model, but the flight stands and smaller backpacks are definitely a mis-step. Altering the feet and putting them straight on the base, or adding classic jump packs both make the models so much better.
What could also work to a lesser extend would be a biovore based on the hive guard\tyrant guard\pyrovore strain. It would look a little to heavy armored for a biovore though.
I still have to get used to the more tech advanced look of them. Seems like the IoM is finally getting out of it's dark ages of technological superstition and ignorance. But i agree on both suggestions. I feel like the MK IV armor's jumppack would fit their overall look especially good.
On the toptic of latest releases, the Warmaster himself finally got his big revamp after decades of missing out on getting an updated model:
(https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/40kAbaddon-Mar5-Abaddon7tyerhvfsh.jpg)
Speaking of Tyranids, I dig this guy's YT videos and he just covered them:
I really wish Deathwing was a better game, blasting through Tyranids was great fun. Finding a populated game that didn't have connection issues wasn't so great though.
What's the issue with Deathwing?
Haven't seen much of it, but the concept of a tactical FPS set on a Genestealer-infested space hulk was done insanely well by Vengeance of the Blood Angels a million years ago.
The initial release was plauged with a lot of issues, and the enhanced edition (version I bought) was supposed to fix most of the issues and add additional customization. It did fix the problems, but the player base last time I played was not very large and the quick play option didn't work.
It's a shame really because Vermintide 2 is such a good game and most people were expecting the Enhanced Edition to be just as good. The bit of it I did get to play was fun, but depending on the map it could get very tedious/repetitive very fast. Not that the game play is boring at all, but the AI director (if Deathwing has one, I'm not sure) didn't seem to be anywhere near as good as the Vermintide one, or L4D for that matter.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Mar 07, 2019, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 07, 2019, 07:40:48 AM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Mar 07, 2019, 07:19:17 AM
Awesome biovores.
They actually look like they are specialised variations of the basic warrior\gaunt combat forms.
Most of the primaris are alright i guess and the lore behind them is not too outlandish by 40k standards. But i don't really dig their starcraft/videogame look and most of all Iam pretty mad that my Black Legion, Grey Knights and Deathwatch look like midgets now to be honest ;D
Some of their models look plain stupid though. Look at these dudes :
(https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ShadowspearPreview-Mar3-Suppressors3dn.jpg)
Cheers m8. That's definitely what i was going for, a more obviously warrior-strain biovore.
In regards to those new primaris, i like the core of the model, but the flight stands and smaller backpacks are definitely a mis-step. Altering the feet and putting them straight on the base, or adding classic jump packs both make the models so much better.
What could also work to a lesser extend would be a biovore based on the hive guard\tyrant guard\pyrovore strain. It would look a little to heavy armored for a biovore though.
I still have to get used to the more tech advanced look of them. Seems like the IoM is finally getting out of it's dark ages of technological superstition and ignorance. But i agree on both suggestions. I feel like the MK IV armor's jumppack would fit their overall look especially good.
On the toptic of latest releases, the Warmaster himself finally got his big revamp after decades of missing out on getting an updated model:
(https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/40kAbaddon-Mar5-Abaddon7tyerhvfsh.jpg)
I experimented with the Guard bodies, way too chunky and agressive looking imo.
And new Abby is great, like him better without the cape though.
The new Abaddon looks amazing. The one I'm really waiting for is Angron to seriously beef up my Khorne forces.
On the topic of my almost-completed Khorne Daemon army, here is my new, and for the moment, final list. I re-organized the Bloodletters and reduced their numbers and got rid of the Skull Cannons and replaced them with my Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury. The erasure of my second battalion's Bloodletters allowed me to replace them with three units of Flesh Hounds (for the second unit, I'm using Chaos Warhounds as stand-ins, and on the third, I'm going to have four Warhounds led by the Magore's Fiends Flesh Hound). The semi-official name of this battalion is the Fast Dudes Battalion ;D. I moved my Bloodmaster to the third battalion to beef it up and got rid of my Armour of Scorn since the Flesh Hounds plus Karanak make it unnecessary.
Warlord Battalion:
Daemon Prince of Chaos with Malefic talons [HQ] [Warlord] (Mark of Khorne) (Trait: Oblivious to Pain)
Blood Throne [HQ] (Artefact – Crimson Crown)
Soul Grinder [Heavy Support] (Mark of Khorne)
1 x 25 Bloodletters (with Banner of Blood/Icon and Instrument of Chaos)
1 x 14 Bloodletters
1 x 10 Bloodletters
Winged Daemon Prince Battalion:
Daemon Prince with Wings, Daemonic axe, and one set of talons [HQ] (Mark of Khorne) (Artefact – Skull Reaver)
Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury [HQ]
Karanak [HQ]
1 x 5 Flesh Hounds
1 x 5 Flesh Hounds
1 x 5 Flesh Hounds
Skulltaker Battalion:
Skulltaker [HQ]
Daemon Prince of Chaos with Malefic talons [HQ] (Mark of Khorne)
Herald (Bloodmaster) [HQ]
1 x 15 Bloodletters
1 x 10 Bloodletters
1 x 10 Bloodletters
Total points: 1997
Command points (original): 18
Command points (remaining after artefacts and Blood Banner): 15
Pics?
Working on some Tau
(https://i.imgur.com/UwRyGtnh.jpg)
Any idea how you will paint them ?
Chaos continues to get new toys. Like this one, the Lord Discordant:
(https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/40kLordDiscordant-Mar13-LordDiscordant3hev.jpg)
Paints will be classic mid-3rd-ed original release tau scheme, complete with green base lips.
Good choice. That was always my favorite color scheme for them.
It's a c**t and a half to recreate that with modern gw paints though. Results are worth it so far though
Isn't that an expensive hobby?
GW likes your money though.
That they sure do.
People don't call it plastic crack for nothing ;D
I remember the good old days when they had to get rid of all the lead figures, I got almost an entire Eldar army for a fraction of the price
You guys should buy a ton of new figures and paints.
I frequently do, although not that often from GW. AvP is more fun.
You can find a lot of bargain priced stuff on ebay. Relatively of course.
GW really jacked up the prices in the last years. Even their LotR stuff, which was relatively cheap when it came out, got a juicy price hike.
That's what happens when you have the market cornered
True.
It's getting better though. While GW is still a behemoth in a niche market, there is a lot more competition now than there was before.
Gw has been alot more friendly and open to their customers recently than they were before. Maybe they will even expand their bundle range in the future.
A man can dream ;)
I sometimes dream of being Khârn the Betrayer.
I sometimes dream they finally released new khorne berserkers.
Do you ever wish you had the Butcher's Nails?
I'm already a slave to slaanesh so, not really.
And here I had you pegged as a servant of Grandfather Nurgle.
I'm involved heavily in music and the arts, it was inevitable.
Are you steeped in debauchery and decadence?
U know it bby
(https://i.imgur.com/BXKaGCY.jpg)
My Emperor's Children...what wonderful music they make.
Actual recent photograph of my noise marine squad in action - yes, all the power armour was in the wash that day, and also yes, that's an Inquisitorium fb group shirt.
Spoiler
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Getting another broadside suit today, can finally finish the squad off.
So I played my first match the other day, and I have to say, I did better than I thought I would, considering the army that I'm using (Khorne daemons) is almost entirely melee. My opponent was playing Drukhari and I would have won except he managed to take all of the objectives. My army list was as follows:
Warlord Battalion:
Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury [HQ] [Warlord] (Artefact: Armour of Scorn) (Trait: Oblivious to Pain)
Daemon Prince of Chaos with Malefic talons [HQ] (Mark of Khorne)
Blood Throne [HQ] (Artefact – Crimson Crown)
1 x 29 Bloodletters, 1 Bloodreaper (with Banner of Blood/Icon and Instrument of Chaos)
1 x 9 Bloodletters, 1 Bloodreaper
1 x 9 Bloodletters, 1 Bloodreaper
Karanak Outrider Detachment:
Karanak [HQ]
Daemon Prince with Wings, Daemonic axe, and one set of talons [HQ] (Mark of Khorne)
(Artefact – Skull Reaver)
1 x 5 Flesh Hounds
1 x 5 Flesh Hounds
1 x 5 Flesh Hounds
Skulltaker Battalion:
Skulltaker [HQ]
Daemon Prince of Chaos with Malefic talons [HQ] (Mark of Khorne)
Daemon Prince with Wings with Malefic talons [HQ] (Mark of Khorne)
1 x 9 Bloodletters, 1 Bloodreaper
1 x 9 Bloodletters, 1 Bloodreaper
1 x 9 Bloodletters, 1 Bloodreaper
Total points: 1981
Command points (original): 14
Command points (remaining after artefacts and Blood Banner): 12
Pics!
Some Space Wolves I did for an overseas friend as a christmas gift (who I originally met here in another lifetime, so stay in my good books, you never know haha)
(https://i.imgur.com/wud9wlB.jpg)
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That new slaanesh mmmmmm
Show me.
Personally I liked the Nighthaunt trailer/reveal more, but I'm a little biased since Death is my army of choice. This kind of makes me want to pick some of these up though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RofGU4ewrR8
Fingers crossed that the painting thing isn't just a GW branded airbrush. Their last one was a total joke, and even a good one would be sold at 100% markup.
Will you be acquiring one?
f**k no. I already have a tamiya i don't use, and if i get a better one it won't be at gw prices
How long would take you to knock out an army like those Space Wolves?
Those took about two days, although drying conditions for washes weren't ideal and i took a lot of smoke breaks. I also only paint in daylight so no late nights on the brush for me.
Would this be a suitable color for Plague Marines and other Nurgle devotees?
https://geekologie.com/2016/06/survey-determines-the-ugliest-color-in-t.php
Pretty sure they sell that one for that express purpose.
I imagine that Plague Marines would be fun to paint.
Wrapped up a Tech-Priest Manipulus for my Adeptus Mechanicus kill team, Zeta-2 Reticulus.
(https://i.imgur.com/y6wxEyR.jpg)
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Noice
Great paintjob and model. Is this a forgeworld one? Iam not really in the know about admech, but i never saw that one before.
Unrelated oldie:
Magnus did nothing wrong >:(
would posting AoS stuff be a no go considering this is a 40k thread?
Nah, no problem ;)
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Apr 04, 2019, 12:23:21 PM
would posting AoS stuff be a no go considering this is a 40k thread?
Quote from: The Kurgan on Apr 04, 2019, 11:12:49 AM
Great paintjob and model. Is this a forgeworld one? Iam not really in the know about admech, but i never saw that one before.
Unrelated oldie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dmo3m0dhFg
Magnus did nothing wrong >:(
It's the new Techpriest Manipulus from the AdMech Kill Team box. I suspect it'll get a separate release at some point like the Cryptek from the Forgebane box did.
You should splurge on a new 40k army.
Splurging on the prodos/avp clearance and there's my hobby budget gone til after tax season
When is tax season there? GW needs a steady flow of your money.
I wonder if GW will ever consider making their prices more accessible/sane. Surely manufacturing must be cheaper now that everything's plastic, and there's a lot more competition in tabletop gaming than there used to be. (Or it seems like there is - nobody around here ever talked about anything other than Warhammer back in the 90s.)
This is what I have pictures of right now, AoS wise
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnHhV63ncKU/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnHgnFBn_Ex/
Nice!
The rust on the grave guard looks amazing. How did you do that?
I also really dig the undead chaos champion. Putting undead versions of other faction's models in an undead army is always a great idea.
This is freaking awesome!
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Apr 05, 2019, 03:11:32 PM
This is what I have pictures of right now, AoS wise
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsBiTNuHRr0/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnHhV63ncKU/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BpzmH7jHtGP/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnHgnFBn_Ex/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmcVg_EnC5I/
Neat! I should dig out some of my whfb/aos stuff. Mostly night goblins.
Thanks all :)
Quote from: The Kurgan on Apr 07, 2019, 06:03:08 AM
The rust on the grave guard looks amazing. How did you do that?
I also really dig the undead chaos champion. Putting undead versions of other faction's models in an undead army is always a great idea.
For rust I use GW's Typhus Corrosion and then layers of Ryza Rust. I'm probably going to do some Stomrcast undead next, even though that technically going against the lore a little bit
The AoS lore is pretty fast and loose anyway, which is great as an excuse for doing whatever you think is cool.
That, and :
rule of cool > minor lore discrepancies
New Total War : Warhammer DLC with a familiar scene in the trailer ;)
Giant battle of beautifully painted tyranids and guard on great looking terrain :
I wish I could read a story about the Astra Militarum being little more than ineffective cannon fodder. Especially versus Chaos.
Have you tried the Gaunt's Ghost series of novels?
It's about a light infantry guard regiment that mostly battle mortal chaos traitor forces.
It has been a while since I read them, but I remember I really liked those.
I've seen videos of them and they sound like a Dirty Dozen type, but I'm mainly talking about the normal grunts rather than some plot-armored freaks.
Hmm kinda.
They do a lot of grunt work that regular guard troops would do and while there is the occasional super duper commando mission, with the exception of one or two characters they never feel really overpowered or invincible.
Over the course of series they take quite a pounding and from the original 3000,4000 or so soldiers there is not much left. It definitely felt more grounded in reality than most of the other stuff GW put out at that time. It's definitely the most " a soldier's life" kinda story i read from GW.
I also heard good things about the Ciaphas Cain series and the novel Cadian Blood, but have not read them myself.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 10, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
I wish I could read a story about the Astra Militarum being little more than ineffective cannon fodder. Especially versus Chaos.
Storm of Iron
Is this canon?
https://www.deviantart.com/lutherniel/gallery/46787308/W40K-Bolter-to-Kokoro
Yes.
I thought so.
Quote from: CANCERBLACK on Mar 18, 2019, 10:28:14 PMI'm already a slave to slaanesh so, not really.
How do you feel about the loyalist clone of Fulgrim?
You don't like the idea of a loyalist chapter of Emperor's Children with clone Fulgrim in command taking on the Noise Marines and demon Fulgrim?
Not especially, it's power rangers tier even by 40k standards. Now, the "primaris made from traitor stock" part is all well and good, but GW won't go all out on primarch clones unless they die in the same story they arrive in, it's not their bag.
I'm a filthy casual so it sounds interesting to me. ;D
The furthest it could possibly go (by my reckoning, and knowing GW pretty well by this stage) is as a narrative arc to introduce the Daemon Fulgrim model so he can btfo his clone and make that hyper expensive figure seem even more badass. GW is notorious at this point for hyping up whipping boys for the new models and/or classic heroes to take down easily to show how totally radical they are.
Would you buy a new demon Fulgrim model?
Not at the $300NZD pricetag they'll be asking.
Including the paints?
Hahahahaha no. Warhammer costs twice as much as in Australia/New Zealand. And before you ask, no, there's no good reason for it.
It's probably some kind of experiment by GW to find out how much people are actually willing to pay :P
Quote from: CANCERBLACK on Apr 14, 2019, 01:31:05 PM
Hahahahaha no. Warhammer costs twice as much as in Australia/New Zealand. And before you ask, no, there's no good reason for it.
You guys need Peter Jackson to make an ongoing 40k series for Netflix or something. That should stimulate your local economy.
The economy is fine, it's got more to do with GW basing their prices on exchange rates from 20 years ago and then giving us the same incremental price rises uk/us regions get instead of allowing things to balance out into modern rates.
Would Peter Jackson be a suitable 40k showrunner?
No. I'm not personally a fan and while he can do the scale I don't think he can do the inherent meanness of the setting.
To be honest, I think anime would be the best medium for it. The Japanese can really handle grimdark well.
I would really dig some Berserk esque anime of the Horus Heresy.
Or some Samurai Jack\Clone Wars style western animation of it. Plus extra Grimdark and Gore ofc.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Apr 16, 2019, 04:28:38 PM
I would really dig some Berserk esque anime of the Horus Heresy.
I'm listening.
QuoteOr some Samurai Jack\Clone Wars style western animation of it. Plus extra Grimdark and Gore ofc.
Oh please god no. Some stylisation is fine but i don't wan't to know how f**king stupid a space marine looks when that simplified and cartoony.
I imagine battles between primarchs being like something out of Fist of the North Star.
Some of their more outlandish depiction are there for sure :D
A lot of old school anime's styles would be fitting, but Berserk's would be perfect. It perfectly suits daemons, grimdark atrocities, over the top action,gore and ridiculously buff dudes slaughtering each other.
Hell, Guts and Griffith already kinda look like young Ferrus and Fulgrim:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/voiceacting/images/c/cf/Berserk_The_Golden_Age_Arc_I_The_Egg_of_the_King_2012_DVD_Cover.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140113144841)
Yeah, they really do.
I'd make a case for less stylized faces than anime generally has, but the physicality and brutal nature of a lot of it suits. Personally I think the HBO Spawn series is exactly the right look. Gothic, moody, violent. Characters are exaggerated and stylized without having "anime face" crop up like it still does on women and children in Berserk.
Hyper real CGI would definitely be the preferred option but the shit gets expensive FAST. Did GW ever release that Blood Angels web series they talked about? The teaser looked like actual poop from a butt, hoping it's not indicative of the finished product.
Penitent Engine looks like it'll be suitably horrifying and detailed:
(https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/BattleSisterBulletinVehicles-Apr15-Head9hvhe.jpg)
Why can't you be more like Matt Ward?
Good god, let past horrors sleep.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 24, 2019, 03:28:36 PM
Why can't you be more like Matt Ward?
What, write the best, most solid rules set GW ever published?
Funny, that's seldom ever mentioned when his name is invoked.
War of the Ring is a legitimately great game, too bad I find the setting dull as dishwater compared to the more zany whfb/aos settings.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 26, 2019, 12:11:32 AM
War of the Ring is a legitimately great game, too bad I find the setting dull as dishwater compared to the more zany whfb/aos settings.
Yeah StarGate SG-Sigma is pretty wild.
I find LOTR dull too, but I LOVE the Last Alliance warriors box, the concept of being able to collect 2 armies like that is just very cool to me and the plot is straight forward enough, just infantry smashing in to each other and some heroes... awesome
Would the Game of Thrones showrunners be mean enough for a 40k series?
No idea, i can't sit through it long enough to get to any violence.
It's pretty savage, even for HBO.
So I've heard. They seem to be mean enough in the sense of being prepared to brutalize or kill beloved characters for 40k, but GoT is much more Heresy era than m41 I'd assume. All the intrigue goes there, 40k is just guys hitting eachother forever.
Even on Holy Terra?
If you make a 40k show and focus it on politics instead of unrelenting frontline warfare, you've f**ked up really badly somewhere. HH is where that stuff belongs. One of many reasons 40k suits vignettes/anthologies rather than long-form when it comes to any cinematic representation - done "right" it'd become exhausting and off-putting fast, and done "wrong" it may as well be any other sci-fi action.
You seem to know a lot about 40k.
A misspent youth plus an inherently opinionated nature.
Shouldn't you be painting?
Too busy preventing peoples' torsos from unzipping.
That sounds grim.
Yeah it's earning me a few extra grey hairs. Of course I have a fairly prominent white stripe by now, since there's no rest for the wicked.
If he's right about what the mystery product is, I'll be pretty disappointed. You can do that with any paint and the magic, secret ingredient (tap water) right now. Hoping for an acrylic/water based dip (as opposed to the oil based ones on the market now) or pigment pens myself.
Will GW get more of your money then?
If they made a range of water based dips that still worked as both a shading pigment and a varnish i'd give them a few buckets of money.
Perhaps GW will lower their prices.
Oh, you.
Honestly lmao that their first japanese style blind box series that isn't ulras is nurgle. As if we didn't already have enough hyper individualized plague marines
Right?
Slaanesh has an old upgrade set and the khorne berzerkers are nearly as old as the game itself. But maybe they don't want to spoil some new khorne\slaanesh stuff that's in the works.
Quote from: cancerblack on May 09, 2019, 09:45:46 AM
Honestly lmao that their first japanese style blind box series that isn't ulras is nurgle. As if we didn't already have enough hyper individualized plague marines
Nurgle is fighting Slaanesh to possess you. Like Isha.
I know it's called Heros of the SPACE MARINES, but honestly, some bespoke Eldar models would have had knife-ear players buying these blind boxes like crazy.
Did you get some?
Of what?
Knife-ears.
So the big Contrast reveal is... ink washes. Thanks but i've already been using those for twenty years gw.
Doesn't Chet resemble Nurgle?
(https://i.imgur.com/xRPupIV.jpg)
A model I did with GW's "new" product, except it wasn't GW and it was like five years ago:
(https://i.imgur.com/WoVMTFx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mt1GO11.jpg)
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I will admit that several of them do look really nice (the greens and blues mostly), and that I'm very interested in seeing how they go over normal colour paints and metallics to build layers of depth. But since I'm already bitching, here's GW's own (retired) product from 2008:
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Surely GW's product will be competitively priced.
I'm loathe to imagine how much they'll charge for the admech boat
Are their items even more expensive in NZ?
Considerably so.
When is your next acquisition spree?
Whenever my discounter has what I'm looking for in stock.
Do you have pics of your Noise Marine army?
Don't have one.
Maybe you should.
Maybe GW should update the figures then.
So if they release Emperor's Children with primaris proportions?
Working on Cadians
(https://i.imgur.com/4Jg7Ab5.jpg)
But Cadia fell.
Ever going to contribute to this thread beyond single sentence posts designed to be mildly annoying? Because at this point I can't be bothered any more.
I don't paint the minis, but I follow the lore. I'm reading Blood of Iax right now after finishing Plague War. What sort of contribution would suit your standards for a thread that's otherwise completely dead?
I've been painting minis for just under two years so the "new" GW paint is new to me. I'm looking forward to trying them out.
Do you follow the lore at all? I'm going back and forth between the Horus Heresy and Dark Imperium novels. I guess I like primarchs.
I wish someone would make a goddamn sequel to Space Marine too.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 18, 2019, 03:05:21 AM
Do you follow the lore at all? I'm going back and forth between the Horus Heresy and Dark Imperium novels. I guess I like primarchs.
I wish someone would make a goddamn sequel to Space Marine too.
The video game? Hell yes.
There was an interview with the developers and they even have the plot planned out were they given the opportunity to do a sequel.
Have you seen this fan mod project?
I know a bit of lore, but I haven't dived head first yet.
On the subject of the games I really wish Deathwing hadn't been such a failure. So much potential..and considering Vermintide 2 is doing so good I find it odd they dropped the ball so hard with Deathwing.
I'd also like a sequel (or even just backwards compatibility) for Kill Team.
Unfortunately, it was also by THQ...
GW is practically swimming in your money like Scrooge McDuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBE8aBsanZE&t=305s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBE8aBsanZE&t=305s)
Also...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 01, 2019, 08:30:56 AM
Lookee what's on sale...
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/deals-with-gold (https://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/deals-with-gold)
GW should just pay this guy to make their advertisements, or give him a small budget to make a feature length movie.
I still think anime is the ideal medium for 40k.
Not 40k, but still GW, anyone seen the Warcry stuff? Looks amazing.
Too bad they let all the short-bus factions into what was supposed to be a humans vs humans side game.
the Iron Golems look cool, but I was kind of hoping to see some new Empire or Stormcast
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jul 16, 2019, 04:08:18 PM
the Iron Golems look cool, but I was kind of hoping to see some new Empire or Stormcast
It's a game about chaos warbands fighting each other, there was never going to be new models for the other factions, and even GW's concession to the Facebook whinging of making rules for a few existing models from other factions, imo dilutes the concept.
It's like seeing Necromunda and then wanting space marines and dark eldar in it - they simply don't belong in that little corner of the setting.
I didn't know it was only about chaos. I wasn't following it that closely.
It's a bit of a sore point for me. It felt like they were going back to doing interesting, bespoke specialist games that focus in extreme detail on one aspect of the setting... then immediately let the short bus factions in when the online peanut gallery threw a wobbly.
The chaos warbands themselves are still utterly stunning.
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/EXPO-May30-WarCryCorvus11bba.jpg)
I did like the look of those guys as well , but I'm still behind on painting my stormcast, death, and shadespire stuff so thats why I didn't look to closely into this one. I'd see the trailers on the AoS facebook but I just assumed it'd be an AoS version of Killteam and thats why I figured Stormcast or Empire guys would eventually show up.
Infighting among the Chaos forces is an interesting concept for a game though, I don't know why there complaints about the factions
I'd be curious to see if there are any warbands of Chaos Undivided and how they interact with the factions that are devoted to a single god.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:12:45 AM
I'd be curious to see if there are any warbands of Chaos Undivided and how they interact with the factions that are devoted to a single god.
They're all technically undivided from what we know so far, although several skew heavily towards a given deity. The idea is that they more embody the native humans of given Mortal Realms, who are on the path of darkness but are not full blown Daemon summoning mutant ubermensch yet.
A live action Warhammer TV series is in development.
QuoteWarhammer 40,000 TV series in development
The Man In The High Castle creator and former X-Files writer Frank Spotnitz will shepherd the fan-favorite Warhammer 40,000 universe into a live-action TV series, Big Light Productions and Games Workshop announced today.
Titled "Eisenhorn," the series will draw from the series of novels of the same name, originally written by comic scribe Dan Abnett. It's officially described as follows: While humanity's armies wage unending war across a million battlefields, in the darkness, a secret conflict rages – fought by the agents of the Imperial Inquisition. Drawing from sci-fi, fantasy and crime genres, Eisenhorn will see Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn and his band of investigators fight to thwart the monstrous schemes of aliens, heretics and daemons before mankind's doom is sealed.
Spotnitz will showrun and executive produce the series, no broadcast partner or streaming platform is attached currently, but it will soon be shopped out to networks.
"We are delighted to collaborate with Games Workshop to develop the beloved visionary world of Warhammer 40,000 into a TV series," Spotnitz said. "Warhammer 40,000 is steeped in rich and complex lore, with a myriad of traditions and stories that have accumulated over time in this thrilling and complex world, making it one of the most exciting properties to adapt for television audiences and the franchise's loyal global fanbase. There is nothing else like it on television, and we are incredibly excited to tap into our own experience creating imaginative, complex and compelling worlds to bring this incredible saga to the screen."
Andy Smillie, Games Workshop's Global Head of Marketing & Media, adds, "We're thrilled to be working with Frank and his team at Big Light. Warhammer 40,000 has a massive global fanbase – they are a passionate community of Warhammer hobbyists who love to engage with our characters, stories and games. I'm truly delighted we are able to develop a show that will reward their loyalty. Inquisitor Eisenhorn represents one of the best-loved characters within our worlds, and we're excited to share his exploits and adventures with audiences new and old. Frank and his outstanding team at Big Light have done amazing things with other properties, bringing complex worlds to the screen, and we can't wait to see what our partnership produces for the grim darkness of Warhammer 40,000."
Author Dan Abnett said, "Gregor Eisenhorn is a relentless force in the dark future of the Warhammer universe: a destroyer of daemons and a purger of heretics, implacable, powerful and dedicated. But the appeal to me, from the moment I started writing him, was his complexity. He is not the simple, ruthless hero he appears to be. His battle with the Warp leads him into dark places and forces him to question his duty, his understanding of the Imperium, and his own identity. With Eisenhorn, it's not just the adventures, and they are certainly vivid: it's the journey he takes to the very limits of what he is and what it means to be loyal."
The Warhammer miniature game first began in 1987, created by Rick Priestley. This marks the first time it has been adapted into a live-action medium though a CGI-animated movie, Ultramarines: A Warhammer 40,000 Movie, was released in 2010 (featuring a script by Abnett).
Source: https://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/1083959-warhammer-40000-tv-series-in-development
I never got far into the Eisenhorn novels, but now I'll make a point of it. I'm reading Devastation of Baal now.
I have grave concerns over how much the physical scale of everything and especially, the zealous brutality of the Imperium, might get watered down to save money and appeal to common audiences, respectively.
Of course, I'd like to be wrong.
My thoughts exactly.
I hope it's a cable/streaming service show, not a network TV series. Too many restrictions with the latter.
Most likely Amazon based on precedent, but I imagine nobody will know for a long time.
It'll be strange if they have the characters use contemporary profanity. I don't recall any F-bombs in the 40k novels I've read.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:09:44 PM
It'll be strange if they have the characters use contemporary profanity. I don't recall any F-bombs in the 40k novels I've read.
There's one or two, but they're rare. It's usually "feth". Shit, bitch, bastard, etc show up more regularly.
I'm completely new to 40k, probably will never buy the minis, but the lore is more and more intriguing to me. I'll probably get to know it slowly over the years so I'm glad there's a series coming. Yeah, I hope it's not watered down, I got drawn to this exactly because of the complexity, uniqueness and brutality of the 40k universe. I love Sci Fi in general, watch a lot of shows and movies that have at least some Sci Fi elements, but other than the Alien/Preadtor universe and the Doctor Who universe to some extent, I'm just not that deeply invested in the lore of other Sci Fi IPs, not to mention I don't even watch or like Star Wars and Star Trek. But 40k looks like something that's very different, a great blend of brutal Sci Fi and classical Fantasy. It's got u unique charm.
Keep it pure and true to the original and I'm sure people will like it. Not to mention, never underestimate the word of mouth of an old and dedicated fanbase, if they do right by them, it'll work.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 20, 2019, 09:13:44 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:09:44 PM
It'll be strange if they have the characters use contemporary profanity. I don't recall any F-bombs in the 40k novels I've read.
There's one or two, but they're rare. It's usually "feth". Shit, bitch, bastard, etc show up more regularly.
"Feth," huh? That's a new one to me. I'll have to watch for it.
I just hope they give Dan Abnett a certain amount of creative control so they can maintain the proper level of immersion.
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Anyone else seen those Bandai large scale Space Marine model kits?
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Aug 02, 2019, 11:43:46 AM
Anyone else seen those Bandai large scale Space Marine model kits?
Are they actually kits? I thought they were just pre-built action figures/dolls.
*edit*
Yup:
QuoteIt's a fully painted, 7-inch-tall Primaris Space Marine, featuring multiple points of articulation, exchangeable weapons, and all sorts of other cool details, brought to life on a new scale
Now that's something I might actually buy. Especially if there's a wide variety of chapters and not just Ultramarines.
However, I'm not interested in painting them myself.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 02, 2019, 07:19:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/n4462Fh.jpg)
...Is that a Saurus Warrior riding a Lictor?
I don't know if anyone's talked about this here but Bandai is making a Primaris Space Marine figure. I think it's gonna be fully painted but I haven't seen what Chapter they'll do. Kind of hope there's more than one. Anyway this is it, he's a pretty big boy
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Bandai-May10-Figure20yych.jpg)
Also can someone tell me if the Inquisitor game is worth getting? I heard it's shit but I'm a sucker for Warahmmer and Diablo so yeah.
Quote from: Vertigo on Aug 03, 2019, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 02, 2019, 07:19:34 AM
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...Is that a Saurus Warrior riding a Lictor?
Definitely not a GW lizardman, but it might be some obscure 40k xeno race. I'm of the opinion it's prolly somebody's RPG character from DnD that they've shoehorned into other settings (see also; Riddick).
Quote from: Deathbearer on Aug 04, 2019, 03:38:03 AM
I don't know if anyone's talked about this here
Two posts above yours :D
I still wonder how customizable they'll be. I'd also like to see a Chaos Marine in that scale.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 02, 2019, 07:14:00 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Aug 02, 2019, 11:43:46 AM
Anyone else seen those Bandai large scale Space Marine model kits?
Are they actually kits? I thought they were just pre-built action figures/dolls.
*edit*
Yup:
QuoteIt's a fully painted, 7-inch-tall Primaris Space Marine, featuring multiple points of articulation, exchangeable weapons, and all sorts of other cool details, brought to life on a new scale
The two pictures I saw of them at some con they were grey so I assumed they were unbuilt/unpainted kits (kind of like their current star wars stuff).
I'll probably pick one or two up depending on the price, and I agree about them making a chaos marine to compliment it.
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Can't wait to see how the Eisenhorn TV series will turn out.
Anyone got a chance to look at the new Space Marines codex yet?
I only skimmed through it.
The book seems to have tons of options, with custom chapter tactics reminiscent of their 4th edition book.
Intercessors got a lot of exclusive stratagems, generally there is a shift towards primaris again and away from the classic marines. But that was inevitable at some point.
Just picked up Warhammer 40K: Inquisitor: Martyr on PS4. it's pretty neat so far.
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Some artwork.
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Seems like everybody's favorite nuns with guns will be back before the end of the year.
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I saw those, they look pretty good.
I actually got really hyped after seeing the new AoS Death stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvlZsfXh_5o
Same.
I like the undead with custom made bodies from bone idea. Bonecasts if you want ;D
Some of those new bone boys are going directly into the Engineer project for AvP after a quick swap'n'sculpt on some minor details.
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Marvel to Launch 'Warhammer' Comic Line in 2020
SEPTEMBER 30, 2019 2:21PM by Graeme McMillan
In an unexpected announcement ahead of this week's New York Comic Con, Marvel Entertainment has revealed a new publishing partnership with British gaming company Games Workshop that will see Marvel take on the comic book license for the popular Warhammer franchise.
Launched in 1983, Warhammer — originally Warhammer Fantasy Battle — is a tabletop miniature game franchise that blends medieval battle with influences from science-fiction and fantasy genres, with properties including Warhammer 40,000 — set in the 41st millennium, and mixing SF military tropes with demons, magic and elves — and the more traditional Warhammer: Age of Sigmar, which replaced the original Fantasy Battle franchise in 2015 and includes a mythology of eight "Mortal Realms" in conflict with each other.
The property has an extensive mythology that has been expanded through prose novels, audiobooks and graphic novels previously published by Games Workshop itself under the Black Library label.
In a statement Monday, Marvel editor Mark Basso said, "I can't tell you how excited we are about diving into the depths of the expansive universes of Warhammer. At Marvel, we're no strangers to telling deeply character-focused tales set in an interconnected world of stories, and fans are going to love what we're already starting to cook up with the Games Workshop team for the Warhammer comics."
The announcement of the partnership comes as Marvel continues to aggressively expand its publishing line, which has led to publishing partnerships with Conan Properties and Disney sibling Lucasfilm.
More details about the partnership will be revealed at a later time.
Source: Hollywood Reporter (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvel-entertainment-partners-games-workshop-warhammer-comic-line-1244396)
Saw this on Facebook and I'm actually pretty interested to see what they start putting out. It sounds like they'll be doing both 40k and AoS which is cool.
The usual suspects are already screaming about cucks and sjws and the end of grimdark.
As if GW is going to relinquish all creative control to Marvel... ::)
Also as if Dan Abnett doesn't already write some great stuff for both companies.
Yeah, I discovered Abnett through 40k and then saw his name on a few issues something else. It surprised me because my first thought was, "when does he have time to write anything BUT 40k?"
Poor, poor wallet. At least Christmas is near ;D
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Pic not showing but i assume it's the sisters? You'd better be up at midnight hitting f5 if you want one, they're gunna go FAST.
Yep, them and the new Eldar banshees\Incubi.
Probably no chance to get one of the sister boxes, but they will become available separately sooner or later. And after all this time, what are a few month more :D
Did you guys pre-order any of those Bandai Primaris Ultramarines? They're only producing 9,000 of them and shipping them next year.
Might need to get on that...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2019, 02:11:23 PM
Did you guys pre-order any of those Bandai Primaris Ultramarines? They're only producing 9,000 of them and shipping them next year.
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"no"
At that price you really should be able to choose between different chapters.
They still managed to sell out in a day or two.
Sounds like they need to ramp up production. Maybe this was a test run to see if there's sufficient demand before making more. Would you ever buy a Noise Marine at that price?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 08, 2019, 07:47:21 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2019, 02:11:23 PM
Did you guys pre-order any of those Bandai Primaris Ultramarines? They're only producing 9,000 of them and shipping them next year.
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"no"
Holy mother of....maybe I have reconsidered
GW store (although no longer available there) had it listed for $100, which depending on the scale would have been a tolerable price
That's the "f**k you New Zealand you pay double because we say so" price btw.
Hopefully the Marvel book is part of some merchandising push too. I'd be happy to see actual 40k toys on store shelves.
Well, BBTS has it listed for $218, which is a bit nuts imo
https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/103922
I wonder how long after they ship that we'll start seeing amateur repaints.
I've seen a few people on facebook/reddit say they're gonna attempt to convert it into a chaos marine, so probably not long
That's the spirit.
I quite like the Bonereapers, but I've committed to a truescale Marine project that's going to see most of my hobby budget spent on Land Raiders for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2019, 09:52:21 PM
Hopefully the Marvel book is part of some merchandising push too. I'd be happy to see actual 40k toys on store shelves.
Is Warhammer like a huge thing in the States these days?
Because back in the day, the Seppos were strictly Dungeons & Dragons while the Limeys were all Fighting Fantasy and Warhammer.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2019, 09:52:21 PM
Hopefully the Marvel book is part of some merchandising push too. I'd be happy to see actual 40k toys on store shelves.
Is Warhammer like a huge thing in the States these days?
Because back in the day, the Seppos were strictly Dungeons & Dragons while the Limeys were all Fighting Fantasy and Warhammer.
Tabletop in general has been picking up a lot of steam recently here in the states. D&D and Warhammer especially.
I don't know if it's huge, but it's definitely gotten way more popular in the last ten years. 70% of its sales come from outside the UK now.
I guess this thread is also the place for GW\forgeworlds LotR stuff, so, it seems there are more hobbits by forgeworld:
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The Bigger-ised marines I mentioned, first unit done:
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Those look excellent. Do you sell them as well?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 11, 2019, 10:50:48 PM
Those look excellent. Do you sell them as well?
Thanks. And no, there's no money in it. Something painted that well will usually go for less than a NiB copy of the same kit.
I've done plenty of commissions though, which actually pays quite well.
I figured since they're Ultramarines that you were doing them as a commission.
Nah, I just want something iconic to face off against my Tyranids, and UM versus red Nids is a classic matchup.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 11, 2019, 10:40:48 PM
The Bigger-ised marines I mentioned, first unit done:
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Nice. The primaris look great with the mk VII(?) helmets.
Yeah, mk7. I don't mind the normal primaris heads (which are weird not-quite mk4 style), but since this is a project about truscale normal marines, I went with the vintage.
Good choice. Just noticed the vintage yellow trim and red weapons.
So how are the red nids you are doing looking? Also a vintage scheme?
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 12, 2019, 08:23:25 PM
Good choice. Just noticed the vintage yellow trim and red weapons.
So how are the red nids you are doing looking? Also a vintage scheme?
Not really vintage, just an easy to paint colour scheme that looks close enough to Behemoth to hand-wave. I am using the older Hive Tyrant models though.
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Ah, saw that one before from you. The more greyish carapace looks way better than the official bright turquoise one.
The old hive tyrant is my favorite version too. Love the alien queen esque crown.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 12, 2019, 08:14:16 PM
Yeah, mk7. I don't mind the normal primaris heads (which are weird not-quite mk4 style), but since this is a project about truscale normal marines, I went with the vintage.
I didn't even know you could do that. I thought Primaris models were stuck with Primaris parts.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 12, 2019, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 12, 2019, 08:14:16 PM
Yeah, mk7. I don't mind the normal primaris heads (which are weird not-quite mk4 style), but since this is a project about truscale normal marines, I went with the vintage.
I didn't even know you could do that. I thought Primaris models were stuck with Primaris parts.
Some of the parts are fully interchangeable, some require some cutting or gap filling but kinda work. It's the torso/legs that aren't interchangeable with older torso/leg parts. I believe the new Chaos Marines are similar, you can swap heads/arms etc but not the rest. Ditto Plague Marines.
I've seen people with Xenomorph style tyranids, still waiting for Starship Troopers Arachnid style tyranids.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Nov 08, 2019, 02:05:39 PM
I've seen people with Xenomorph style tyranids, still waiting for Starship Troopers Arachnid style tyranids.
I had a killteam like that back in the mid 2000's. I'd rather just get some of the actual SST miniatures but god damn they're expensive these days.
I should post in here more often, I've been restoring my old Necron army and banging out new stuff at a pretty decent clip lately.
Where are the pics?
How is the bookcase looking these days?
The pics are trapped on my phone, and I had to fix two collapsed shelves the other day. It was pretty awesome!
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Nov 08, 2019, 02:05:39 PM
I've seen people with Xenomorph style tyranids, still waiting for Starship Troopers Arachnid style tyranids.
Many years ago when Warhammer Fantasy battles was at its peak in 6th edition there was a unique star ship troopers table top game. I always loved that movie I definitely wanted to play it but it was going to take money away from my precious necron and empire armies so I did not ever get it. Regrets.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 27, 2019, 04:09:55 AM
The pics are trapped on my phone, and I had to fix two collapsed shelves the other day. It was pretty awesome!
How did that happen?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2019, 01:36:00 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 27, 2019, 04:09:55 AM
The pics are trapped on my phone, and I had to fix two collapsed shelves the other day. It was pretty awesome!
How did that happen?
old shitty shelves using plastic pins holding up more than they should have been, I replaced the pins with metal.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Oct 10, 2019, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2019, 09:52:21 PM
Hopefully the Marvel book is part of some merchandising push too. I'd be happy to see actual 40k toys on store shelves.
Is Warhammer like a huge thing in the States these days?
Because back in the day, the Seppos were strictly Dungeons & Dragons while the Limeys were all Fighting Fantasy and Warhammer.
Tabletop in general has been picking up a lot of steam recently here in the states. D&D and Warhammer especially.
I always liked the idea, but felt stupid at the thought of devoting that much time and money to it all. Plus I couldn't shake the stigma associated with it all. That's my failing lol. Though every time I've walked into a shop to look, half the dudes do in fact need deodorant.
My kids seem to like X-Wing Miniatures and AVP quite a bit. We have fun with it.
Quote from: razeak on Dec 28, 2019, 04:01:20 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Oct 10, 2019, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2019, 09:52:21 PM
Hopefully the Marvel book is part of some merchandising push too. I'd be happy to see actual 40k toys on store shelves.
Is Warhammer like a huge thing in the States these days?
Because back in the day, the Seppos were strictly Dungeons & Dragons while the Limeys were all Fighting Fantasy and Warhammer.
Tabletop in general has been picking up a lot of steam recently here in the states. D&D and Warhammer especially.
I always liked the idea, but felt stupid at the thought of devoting that much time and money to it all. Plus I couldn't shake the stigma associated with it all. That's my failing lol. Though every time I've walked into a shop to look, half the dudes do in fact need deodorant.
My kids seem to like X-Wing Miniatures and AVP quite a bit. We have fun with it.
In all honesty, keep your kids away from GW stuff. It's not so much that the models are heinously priced, it's that you need so damn many of them, and the rules change every three minutes leading to a lot of temptation to buy even more now that your favourite unit suddenly sucks. It can be a real bottomless pit of money.
Doesn't the paint get expensive too? Not to mention how time-consuming it all is, and that's before you actually play the game.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2019, 11:48:30 PM
Doesn't the paint get expensive too? Not to mention how time-consuming it all is, and that's before you actually play the game.
Yeah if you only buy GW branded paint it's pretty shocking, although razeak is already used to that element and seems to (sensibly) prefer Vallejo anyway.
Is there any advantage to using GW paints or is it just middling-quality stuff with the brand name on the bottle?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 29, 2019, 01:00:46 AM
Is there any advantage to using GW paints or is it just middling-quality stuff with the brand name on the bottle?
They mostly rely on people not knowing about the alternatives or not having ready access to them, to sell their over priced tools and to a lesser extent, paints.
Having said that, I do use a lot of GW paint, but I also use Tamiya, Vallejo and Army Painter. With me it comes down to the properties of an individual paint and the job I need it to accomplish.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 28, 2019, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: razeak on Dec 28, 2019, 04:01:20 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Oct 10, 2019, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2019, 09:52:21 PM
Hopefully the Marvel book is part of some merchandising push too. I'd be happy to see actual 40k toys on store shelves.
Is Warhammer like a huge thing in the States these days?
Because back in the day, the Seppos were strictly Dungeons & Dragons while the Limeys were all Fighting Fantasy and Warhammer.
Tabletop in general has been picking up a lot of steam recently here in the states. D&D and Warhammer especially.
I always liked the idea, but felt stupid at the thought of devoting that much time and money to it all. Plus I couldn't shake the stigma associated with it all. That's my failing lol. Though every time I've walked into a shop to look, half the dudes do in fact need deodorant.
My kids seem to like X-Wing Miniatures and AVP quite a bit. We have fun with it.
In all honesty, keep your kids away from GW stuff. It's not so much that the models are heinously priced, it's that you need so damn many of them, and the rules change every three minutes leading to a lot of temptation to buy even more now that your favourite unit suddenly sucks. It can be a real bottomless pit of money.
GW has gotten a lot better about rules balance since, like, 2017 with 8th edition.
Also a lot of their models are expensive but the reasoning is that you're paying for not only the work that went into making it, but also the hobby enjoyment time you're going to get out of building and painting it - presumably you're going to spend a lot more time on an individual "hero" character or elite unit as opposed to, say, a box of 10 rank-and-file troops. It's kind of like the logic behind buying a video game or a movie ticket - it isn't just about the tangible object you get, it's about the enjoyment you get out of interacting with it.
Granted that means less if you don't particularly like painting stuff, but I understand the logic behind it.
As for getting kids involved, I'm of two minds about it. I think the game can be fun on different levels for certain kids depending on age/attention span/interests, and the starter boxes for the game if you just want to slap together a bunch of push-fit models that don't require glue or paint and just go roll some dice are really cheap, and even some of the starter paint/brush/tool sets are very reasonably priced considering what you get. It's when you start getting more minis and paints that the price starts adding up, and that's when it starts pricing itself out of a kids' budget and becomes a bitter pill for parents to swallow.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2019, 11:48:30 PM
Doesn't the paint get expensive too? Not to mention how time-consuming it all is, and that's before you actually play the game.
The "time consuming" element is kind of subjective - I actually prefer painting and building the stuff more than actually playing the game, so that never feels like "wasted" time. And when I do get around to playing games, I've got a cool looking army to show off.
I do buy GW products, but mostly it's to support the local GW store that I like a lot that's really close to my work. The managers are awesome and don't just feel like they're trying to sell me stuff non-stop, the crowd that hangs out and plays there are generally pretty great, it's like 2 blocks from my work, and they've all around been really helpful with supporting my interest in the hobby. Could I get cheaper paints (or even cheaper GW minis) if I went elsewhere? Yeah sure, but I feel I'm getting enough value out of the store and the people who work there to warrant paying a bit of a premium.
It's also not like I'm dumping hundreds of dollars into them every time I go to the shop, I've got a big backlog of minis so I'm mostly just buying the occasional paints or something.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 29, 2019, 05:35:17 PM
GW has gotten a lot better about rules balance since, like, 2017 with 8th edition.
LOL. Is that why there's constant updates, erratas and FAQs (many of which you need to pay for), wildly broken armies still being released, others in desperate need of patching getting precisely dick, and over-all an edition that favours boring, static, buff-aura formations and exploiting the command point system at list building? 8th might be better than 6/7th were, but balanced it is not. If anything, it's the easiest edition to accidentally end up with two seriously mismatched armies that kill fun for one or both parties, thanks to how lethal the shooting phase is in 8th and all the free buffs some armies get that others have nothing to counter.
QuoteAlso a lot of their models are expensive but the reasoning is that you're paying for not only the work that went into making it, but also the hobby enjoyment time you're going to get out of building and painting it - presumably you're going to spend a lot more time on an individual "hero" character or elite unit as opposed to, say, a box of 10 rank-and-file troops. It's kind of like the logic behind buying a video game or a movie ticket - it isn't just about the tangible object you get, it's about the enjoyment you get out of interacting with it.
Bit of a cop out, considering the prices other companies can offer similar wares for, but it's not the per-unit price I was actually attacking, it's the sheer quantity you need to have a "real" army. For example, a game like Kill Team is very affordable because you're likely to only buy one or two boxes of troops and maybe a hero. Trying to go for the standard 2000pts in 40k proper, you're looking at 10+ troop sets, 5-10 vehicles/monsters, multiple heroes. It gets ridiculous fast.
QuoteGranted that means less if you don't particularly like painting stuff, but I understand the logic behind it.
I mostly paint stuff, because the game has IMO been essentially unplayable (or at least totally joyless) for about ten years and my buddies who I still play 3e with live in another part of the country.
QuoteAs for getting kids involved, I'm of two minds about it. I think the game can be fun on different levels for certain kids depending on age/attention span/interests, and the starter boxes for the game if you just want to slap together a bunch of push-fit models that don't require glue or paint and just go roll some dice are really cheap, and even some of the starter paint/brush/tool sets are very reasonably priced considering what you get.
I think if the kids are already enjoying X-wing and AvP (one a game with far better balance than basically any GW product, with a much smaller model count, the other a "dead" game that he's already fully invested in for models), I'd advise him to just stick to those for as long as possible.
QuoteIt's when you start getting more minis and paints that the price starts adding up, and that's when it starts pricing itself out of a kids' budget and becomes a bitter pill for parents to swallow.
And GW is pretty great at encouraging that idea of "needing" another unit or hero on a regular basis.
QuoteThe "time consuming" element is kind of subjective - I actually prefer painting and building the stuff more than actually playing the game, so that never feels like "wasted" time. And when I do get around to playing games, I've got a cool looking army to show off.
100% agreed.
QuoteI do buy GW products, but mostly it's to support the local GW store that I like a lot that's really close to my work. The managers are awesome and don't just feel like they're trying to sell me stuff non-stop, the crowd that hangs out and plays there are generally pretty great, it's like 2 blocks from my work, and they've all around been really helpful with supporting my interest in the hobby. Could I get cheaper paints (or even cheaper GW minis) if I went elsewhere? Yeah sure, but I feel I'm getting enough value out of the store and the people who work there to warrant paying a bit of a premium.
It's also not like I'm dumping hundreds of dollars into them every time I go to the shop, I've got a big backlog of minis so I'm mostly just buying the occasional paints or something.
Fair enough. But do consider that their business model is primarily (and they'll admit as much) selling eye-wateringly expensive initial buy-ins to the parents of younger kids who have gotten hyped about the game, and they're pretty skilled at it.
I also buy a lot of GW product, and much of it is NiB from actual retailers since I prefer to work from a fresh sprue than fix someones shit job, and I (mostly) don't mind paying for it. The NZ prices do make that sting though, so my retailers are frequently overseas because the shipping is cheaper than the arbitrary markup GW imposes here.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 29, 2019, 09:53:15 PMAnd GW is pretty great at encouraging that idea of "needing" another unit or hero on a regular basis.
Which unit or hero are you feeling the need to get despite your better judgment these days? There must be something.
Yeah, sticking with X-Wing and AvP. Warhammer is cool and all, but I've got a thing for those other IPs.
I love painting. I'm an artist at heart. I used to be really good with pencils. Painting minis is cathartic, especially since an Achilles injury has probably permanently sidelined me from my first love. I think it's time to hang up the gloves and get on with drawing and painting in my free time. It's also why I've been so much more active on the forums. I'm on crutches or a cane half the time. Surgery is in my near future.
Quote from: razeak on Jan 03, 2020, 04:36:20 AM
Yeah, sticking with X-Wing and AvP. Warhammer is cool and all, but I've got a thing for those other IPs.
I love painting. I'm an artist at heart. I used to be really good with pencils. Painting minis is cathartic, especially since an Achilles injury has probably permanently sidelined me from my first love. I think it's time to hang up the gloves and get on with drawing and painting in my free time. It's also why I've been so much more active on the forums. I'm on crutches or a cane half the time. Surgery is in my near future.
Achilles is the worst.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2020, 01:00:42 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 29, 2019, 09:53:15 PMAnd GW is pretty great at encouraging that idea of "needing" another unit or hero on a regular basis.
Which unit or hero are you feeling the need to get despite your better judgment these days? There must be something.
Primaris chaplain, which retails for iirc $75 in NZ. So I won't be getting one til either I place a larger overseas order I can tack it onto, or find a desperate seller localally.
This guy? $75?!
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marines-Primaris-Chaplain
What chapter will he be? Can you drink and paint and the same time?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 04, 2020, 12:15:47 AM
This guy? $75?!
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marines-Primaris-Chaplain
What chapter will he be? Can you drink and paint and the same time?
$75? Holy goddamn that's a hell of a markup.
Like I knew you guys were getting shafted but
daaaaamn.
Order from tists minis my friend works there prices are cheap and in Canadian so for you muricans even cheaper.
https://tistaminis.com/
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 04, 2020, 12:15:47 AM
This guy? $75?!
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marines-Primaris-Chaplain
What chapter will he be? Can you drink and paint and the same time?
Yup, $75.
If you mean "can I paint while drunk", yes, I usually drink while painting to steady my hands.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 04, 2020, 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 04, 2020, 12:15:47 AM
This guy? $75?!
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marines-Primaris-Chaplain
What chapter will he be? Can you drink and paint and the same time?
$75? Holy goddamn that's a hell of a markup.
Like I knew you guys were getting shafted but daaaaamn.
It's why I'm not prepared to put up with their shoddy rules, the prices are just too high to play the game in its current format (ie; requiring so many models). 3e plus houserules plus overseas/ebay deals ftw.
Quote from: Trioxin on Jan 05, 2020, 05:13:59 AM
Order from tists minis my friend works there prices are cheap and in Canadian so for you muricans even cheaper.
https://tistaminis.com/
"International Air Mail - $15.00 to $40.00, Approximately 1 month, Tracking Included. Price varies based on weight / dimensions."
Not great international shipping costs, I find germany often has the lowest rates for me, for whatever reason.
(https://scontent.fagc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/85132469_487541705262753_5406699810835136512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=ukK_QjFGUiUAX9mjvM8&_nc_ht=scontent.fagc1-1.fna&oh=01c4350064500d88a8914a862291ec25&oe=5EBA25D3)
I'm actually very guilty of that and have been powering through a backlog of skeletons for the past 2 weeks....still a lot to work through. I've been doing good though and haven't bought any of the Mortek/Ossiarch models yet.
Finished this up though, not 100% sure what I'll use it for but some people suggested using it as a stand in for Arkhan.
(https://i.imgur.com/HYOJUy0.jpg)
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 12, 2020, 01:09:12 PM
I'm actually very guilty of that and have been powering through a backlog of skeletons for the past 2 weeks....still a lot to work through. I've been doing good though and haven't bought any of the Mortek/Ossiarch models yet.
Yet...
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 12, 2020, 01:09:12 PM
I'm actually very guilty of that and have been powering through a backlog of skeletons for the past 2 weeks....still a lot to work through. I've been doing good though and haven't bought any of the Mortek/Ossiarch models yet.
Finished this up though, not 100% sure what I'll use it for but some people suggested using it as a stand in for Arkhan.
(https://i.imgur.com/HYOJUy0.jpg)
Very nice work. And you could borderline use him as Nagash if it's not a strict play environment.
On the topic of skeletons, I just got a box of 90 WGF skeletons for a WHFB 6e project...
So uh, how you painting dem bones?
Ultramarines at a core little army stage now:
(https://i.imgur.com/ddIxB4l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bTs3Wdw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/i1hnEq5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2UIYPZ2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lEK9MpA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zNZ4RQc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/f6hCaHz.jpg)
Now working on some heroes and specialists:
(https://i.imgur.com/RDPxizG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gYXlUN0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8JP7gXL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4RXsFbX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kwsdGgQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KjIUEFW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/b2zcbrX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SC01Q4c.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pfuu7eR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/y90VGhF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/O30nZdE.jpg)
And finally, a test model for my WHFB-6 undead project:
(https://i.imgur.com/4LNLzgX.jpg)
If any of you follow the Astartes series, part five is now up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoCcpMW8fSs
Quote from: irn on Apr 03, 2020, 12:59:18 AM
If any of you follow the Astartes series, part five is now up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoCcpMW8fSs
This guy did a phenomenal job with this series
What chapter are they and who are they fighting?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2020, 10:30:06 PM
Ultramarines at a core little army stage now:
Nice work. Does that represent the last of your supplies?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 03, 2020, 09:59:57 AM
What chapter are they and who are they fighting?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2020, 10:30:06 PM
Ultramarines at a core little army stage now:
Nice work. Does that represent the last of your supplies?
Not as such. I have heaps of paints, but no varnish to seal it with. I have heaps of models to assemble, but no glue. It's like f**king Alien 3 up in here.
That must be frustrating. You're like the Adeptus Mechanicus and your supply lines are being interdicted by the forces of Nurgle.
At least you still have booze.
I'm going to just try and paint as many ultras as I can and put them in cases til I can get varnish I reckon. I need to do another 15 riflemen to pad out those squads anyway.
Just how many Ultras do you have now? It seems like you're building a full chapter.
Are you finished with the tyranids already?
"Finished" is a concept for the unambitious.
As for headcount on the smurfs, presently painted or built and awaiting paint is:
20 tacticals
10 assault
10 devastator
10 command.
That's a lot of work. Are they just cannon-fodder for your Noise Marines or have you gone over to the Imperium?
I play 40k, I don't play any one faction.
Do you have this model of Khârn? He's my favorite Chaos Marine.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/kharn-the-betrayer-2016
Nope. Got the old metal one somewhere.
Henry Cavill out there painting Custodes. I can't say I'm even surprised.
I saw that yesterday. I wonder if he'd be interested in a role in the Eisenhorn show.
Still want to see him play Superman again.
https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/2/11353442/henry-cavill-was-too-busy-playing-warcraft-to-answer-a-call-to-play
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 14, 2020, 12:08:21 AM
Henry Cavill out there painting Custodes. I can't say I'm even surprised.
I'm pretty sure that photo caused me to develop ovaries
Did you squeal like a teenage fangirl?
Looks like a lot of guys did, by the reaction.
Edit: to both of those posts
Can you evaluate his painting skills from that one photo?
Not impressively terrible but that's about as much as can be gleaned.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 06, 2020, 06:04:53 AM
I'm going to just try and paint as many ultras as I can and put them in cases til I can get varnish I reckon. I need to do another 15 riflemen to pad out those squads anyway.
Did you finish yet?
No. I don't actually have any more time than usual even under lockdown. I did get those 15 grunts and 9 assault boys to roughly the half way mark so far.
Any plans to round out the Ultras with their papa?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Roboute-Guilliman-Ultramarines-Primarch-2018
Big plans are afoot but a long way off. I also wish you hadn't linked to the American price.
The Brazen Drakes did nothing wrong.
You don't mouth off to the Custodes.
They started it.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Apr 24, 2020, 05:03:17 PM
The Brazen Drakes did nothing wrong.
Except for all the ones who went traitor, completely unprompted.
Been working on a bunch of painting projects, mostly Necron stuff at the moment - almost done restoring my old Necron army and getting it up to the standard of my newer stuff. I've got 22 Warriors and 10 Flayed Ones to go.
I've been posting finished project pics on my Instagram lately: https://www.instagram.com/xenomrph/
That knight is sexy.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 05, 2020, 08:53:28 PM
That knight is sexy.
Thanks! I spent a ton of time on it. I chronicled the whole build in my Instagram, starting here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfCFu31hdla/?igshid=1ly0i1e837yz5
What are you working on now?
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 09, 2020, 03:40:54 AM
What are you working on now?
I'm hopping between a bunch of different projects at the moment.
I just wrapped up a (modern) Necron Tomb Spyder and (old-school) Necron Flayed Ones, so I need to put the basing material on them to finish them up. For my Necron army the base theme I've gone with is Astrogranite Debris drybrushed with Hellion Green, it ends up looking kind of like lunar soil with a weird luminescent moss growing on it and I really like it.
I just basecoated a pair of Armiger Warglaives, and I'm building a squad of Necron Lychguard. I'm also working on several one-off painting projects, including UR-025 (from the Blackstone Fortress box set), Sister Amalia Novena, Severina Raine, a couple planes from Aeronautica Imperialis, and a pair of mini-Knights from Adeptus Titanicus. I also have 22 more Necron Warriors to restore up to my current standard and then all of my old-school Necrons will be "upgraded".
I find that juggling a bunch of different projects at different stages in development keeps me from getting bored; if I want to work on building stuff then I've got options for that, or if I want to work on painting then I have different projects using different color palettes and techniques.
It occurs to me that Zack Snyder may be the perfect director to bring 40k to live action. His style has actually been described as ridiculously bombastic and grimdark.
Big Preview Stuff:
- CGI trailer is very nice. Filling some quotas too.
- Promises of things I'll believe when I see.
- WHERE THE f**k ARE THE MODELS? A generic Primaris with a chainsword, a couple of resculpted Necron Warriors, and an incomplete look at the SK model? Really?
Yes, it's delicious.
Have you been able to resupply yet?
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 23, 2020, 09:48:47 PM
Have you been able to resupply yet?
For most things. Certain paints are proving very hard to find in Asia Pacific.
And props to the leakers and data sifters who actually showed us the lovely new models that GW bizarrely refused to.
I've heard rumblings of a new price hike as well.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 25, 2020, 12:10:05 AM
I've heard rumblings of a new price hike as well.
This is confirmed.
That's gonna drive cancerblack to drink.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 26, 2020, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 25, 2020, 12:10:05 AM
I've heard rumblings of a new price hike as well.
This is confirmed.
Gotta take a loan out to buy a single Imperial Guardsman
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 26, 2020, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 25, 2020, 12:10:05 AM
I've heard rumblings of a new price hike as well.
This is confirmed.
Well shit.
It's already a hard pill to swallow, now depending on how big the price hike is it may as well be a suppository.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 27, 2020, 06:13:30 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 26, 2020, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 25, 2020, 12:10:05 AM
I've heard rumblings of a new price hike as well.
This is confirmed.
Well shit.
It's already a hard pill to swallow, now depending on how big the price hike is it may as well be a suppository.
In USD it's a couple bucks on most items. Which of course will be 3x as much here thanks to GWs creative in-house exchange rates.
Cool to see a 40k thread here. I myself don't play the game but I love to read the books and lore. The lore of 40k is so unique because it wears its many inspirations on its sleeve proudly, yet brings them all together into a totally new and exciting creation. Also, I enjoy the hobby of painting. The part of painting that gives me the most anxiety is edge highlighting and drybrushing. I've painted a Death watch kill team as one of my first projects. It came out just OK. I've done a variety of Ultramarines (the noblest of the noble) reivers and intercessors. I have 12 Chaos space marines built and ready but haven't decided on a chapter yet. I was thinking Night Lords or Emperor's Children since I think they have the most interesting background. Also I have a second Death Watch kill team to paint as well so I have quite the backlog that will take me probably a long time to get through.
Here's a pic of my Primaris Redemptor Dreadnought that I completed not too long ago.
(https://i.imgur.com/vmBw5Yc.jpg)
and here are a few Spindle Drones, from the very fun boardgame Blackstone Fortress. Those are a whole other set of minis I have yet to complete painting. I tried a speedpainting technique that I saw on the Midwinter Minis youtube channel, and I was overall satisfied with how they came out. It is so cool that just one little "boop" of yellow on the red lenses give it so much more depth.
(https://i.imgur.com/T0azbiC.jpg)
Quote from: StanSwitek on May 29, 2020, 05:16:39 AM
Cool to see a 40k thread here. I myself don't play the game but I love to read the books and lore. The lore of 40k is so unique because it wears its many inspirations on its sleeve proudly, yet brings them all together into a totally new and exciting creation. Also, I enjoy the hobby of painting. The part of painting that gives me the most anxiety is edge highlighting and drybrushing. I've painted a Death watch kill team as one of my first projects. It came out just OK. I've done a variety of Ultramarines (the noblest of the noble) reivers and intercessors. I have 12 Chaos space marines built and ready but haven't decided on a chapter yet. I was thinking Night Lords or Emperor's Children since I think they have the most interesting background. Also I have a second Death Watch kill team to paint as well so I have quite the backlog that will take me probably a long time to get through.
Here's a pic of my Primaris Redemptor Dreadnought that I completed not too long ago.
(https://i.imgur.com/vmBw5Yc.jpg)
and here are a few Spindle Drones, from the very fun boardgame Blackstone Fortress. Those are a whole other set of minis I have yet to complete painting. I tried a speedpainting technique that I saw on the Midwinter Minis youtube channel, and I was overall satisfied with how they came out. It is so cool that just one little "boop" of yellow on the red lenses give it so much more depth.
(https://i.imgur.com/T0azbiC.jpg)
Welcome.
From my paint bench recently:
Ultramarine standard bearer:
(https://i.imgur.com/DDK8A4W.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/n7sPSpi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qRYrXwy.jpg)
Retro Hormagaunt:
(https://i.imgur.com/tawZ0EL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EJMHswz.jpg)
Speed painting skeletons - 10am, midday, 2pm:
(https://i.imgur.com/QPHvV3C.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VqPe61i.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/o95PsHb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2kJMswS.jpg)
Khemri test model:
(https://i.imgur.com/uzBFvw8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PzjQZZu.jpg)
Using wire and grit paint to make trees for 6mm/Epic Eldar:
(https://i.imgur.com/7GnvxlF.jpg)
Skaven test models:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ys8124P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uOqseCU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YqiYAcs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zBRmLpv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gtz9vUO.jpg)
Some mighty fine skelly bois you got there.
I've been debating doing an undead style group of marines for Kill Team.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 30, 2020, 12:11:15 PM
Ultramarine standard bearer:
Very nice. Are they all old school Astartes or do you also have some Primaris models among them?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 02, 2020, 07:09:59 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 30, 2020, 12:11:15 PM
Ultramarine standard bearer:
Very nice. Are they all old school Astartes or do you also have some Primaris models among them?
They're 100% Primaris models, I'm just doing headswaps and adding a few classic weapons.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 01, 2020, 03:18:31 PM
Some mighty fine skelly bois you got there.
I've been debating doing an undead style group of marines for Kill Team.
Always preferred undead Guard, actually did an army of 'em back in the day.
Any of you playing that Combat Cards mobile game?
McFarlane Toys has listed their first figures for its 40k line which are the Ultramarines Primaris Assault Intercessor and Necron Warrior. Here is a preview.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71dJoUl7oNL._AC_SX679_.jpg)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zl8Jt52ZL._AC_SX679_.jpg)
You can view more here:
Ultramarine Figure Listing (https://www.amazon.com/McFarlane-Toys-War-Hammer-Figures/dp/B081HVKLLV/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ref_=ast_sto_dp&linkCode=sl1&tag=comicbookcom-20&linkId=896f3c1df9733d396ae894528e4d4595&language=en_US)
Necron Figure Listing (https://www.amazon.com/McFarlane-Toys-War-Hammer-Figures/dp/B081J5LZVW/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ref_=ast_sto_dp&linkCode=sl1&tag=comicbookcom-20&linkId=1c0a502d6ad80c24d4421ebe55260150&language=en_US)
Even the promo pic has a bendy gun lol, typical of McFarlane sadly.
I'm not gonna lie I'm going to be buying the McF stuff as it comes out. The Bandai kit is waaaay to expensive for me to justify buying it so I'll take what I can get.
I'll probably repaint the marines to be a different chapter, maybe even get some to turn into chaos marines.
The Art of The New 40k!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/04/the-art-of-new40k/ (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/04/the-art-of-new40k/)
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1Kd8lMEj2rZ7Tp86.jpg)
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2aCaP59GcYg73sSD.jpg)
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/6Gf1aWAy7Na9Zl8B.jpg)
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/g9Hi1VnN9H6e1Qhu.jpg)
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2lK9yESs30XjxH07.jpg)
Grimdark enough? You tell me!
Quote
Grimdark enough? You tell me!
Genuinely, no. Digit art tends to lack the gothic, semi-historical feel that the classic oil painting/ink work holds (maybe less of an issue if you didn't go to art school) regardless of how edgy or detailed it is, and I've always felt the colour work is better saved for book and magazine covers. The black and white nature of most of the old material was due to technical/budget limitations (most of the art was done in colour but printed in B&W) but was also insanely evocative and every page being a riot of colour (in comparison) spoils that for me.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 05, 2020, 09:15:17 PM
Genuinely, no. Digit art tends to lack the gothic, semi-historical feel that the classic oil painting/ink work holds (maybe less of an issue if you didn't go to art school) regardless of how edgy or detailed it is, and I've always felt the colour work is better saved for book and magazine covers. The black and white nature of most of the old material was due to technical/budget limitations (most of the art was done in colour but printed in B&W) but was also insanely evocative and every page being a riot of colour (in comparison) spoils that for me.
Honestly the old style 40k art always reminded me of the art in this very old Bible I read as a kid... And I think both had that apocalyptic feel of dread to them.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Destruction_of_Leviathan.png)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 28, 2020, 08:49:24 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 27, 2020, 06:13:30 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 26, 2020, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 25, 2020, 12:10:05 AM
I've heard rumblings of a new price hike as well.
This is confirmed.
Well shit.
It's already a hard pill to swallow, now depending on how big the price hike is it may as well be a suppository.
In USD it's a couple bucks on most items. Which of course will be 3x as much here thanks to GWs creative in-house exchange rates.
Where are you located?
He's from Middle-earth.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 06, 2020, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 28, 2020, 08:49:24 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 27, 2020, 06:13:30 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 26, 2020, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 25, 2020, 12:10:05 AM
I've heard rumblings of a new price hike as well.
This is confirmed.
Well shit.
It's already a hard pill to swallow, now depending on how big the price hike is it may as well be a suppository.
In USD it's a couple bucks on most items. Which of course will be 3x as much here thanks to GWs creative in-house exchange rates.
Where are you located?
The place where GW thinks this is acceptable to do:
(https://i.gyazo.com/5db8e048d80d703455c529b18713c7f6.png)(https://i.gyazo.com/80068e74d4d95cbd2702e418a2203c87.png)
For the record, our dollar is generally around the same value as the Canadian dollar, in Canada the prices look like this, which is already a bit silly:
(https://i.gyazo.com/98faea88cca9cd1e6160366cf469c551.png)(https://i.gyazo.com/da3845e1331e6876ad89b1e296d91835.png)
I was actually talking about this on Thursday with one of my friends who manages a local GW store near my work, his explanation was that there's a lot of duty fees and taxes they have to factor into the prices of the models when shipping to Australia, so it's less GW's fault for not understanding how currency conversions work or just sticking it to you guys "just cuz", and more of your country's government slapping fines on imported goods and GW having to jack up the prices to compensate.
Yeah you can say that he's just trying to defend the company he works for, but he also doesn't hesitate to pretty publicly criticize GW's other wacky practices when I talk with him so I'm inclined to think there's some merit to what he's saying.
He also gets away with criticizing GW because his store is consistently the #1 performing store in North America. :P
The #1 performing GW store in North America must have more money than a bank vault.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 07, 2020, 08:58:22 AM
I was actually talking about this on Thursday with one of my friends who manages a local GW store near my work, his explanation was that there's a lot of duty fees and taxes they have to factor into the prices of the models when shipping to Australia, so it's less GW's fault for not understanding how currency conversions work or just sticking it to you guys "just cuz", and more of your country's government slapping fines on imported goods and GW having to jack up the prices to compensate.
1) I'm in NZ, not 'Straya.
2)While there is
some truth in that argument, it's pretty disingenuous. Let's compare:
Primaris Captain (UK country of origin, so baseline price)
(https://i.gyazo.com/8ca6a8e0059b7779fe4b5dfe8dd3ee46.png)(https://i.gyazo.com/5db8e048d80d703455c529b18713c7f6.png)
The ratio of about 2NZD to 1GBP has been largely consistent for 20 or so years, so this is a very average conversion rate:
(https://i.gyazo.com/4c2ab4911779f6a9f33c8ca3f2afe4aa.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/6b46490fb3716decee80f3d34ce7ba84.png)
Great Unclean One
(https://i.gyazo.com/e9ef3d78aafa62ee73be528d82eeb896.png)(https://i.gyazo.com/80068e74d4d95cbd2702e418a2203c87.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/37fa370a340ab9a7fb3362090f620f66.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/d828cd786f10bc33dda4f27ba06a37b4.png)
But the tariffs! The Taxes! I can hear you saying. Let's compare to other, similar products (IE; plastic fantasy/sci-fi miniatures). I'll be staying with the baseline price being country-of-origin, and using the same local webstore for all comparisons. This store also explicitly mentions when it's discounting something, as seen in the spoilered pic below.
Spoiler
(https://i.gyazo.com/684046c351329485d70ed39a32a3409b.png)
FFG Storm Troopers
(https://i.gyazo.com/a092661e1febd180c352878043a10263.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/c80da63d30ee10d805c2c92190cd6d32.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/4b54fe058ebf3ca901c06b137dda7c17.png)
Apparently Fantasy Flight Games doesn't have to pay the tax that nearly doubles the price of the goods. Odd. But they're American. Let's look at another British company, I believe also based out of Nottingham, just like GW:
Warlord Orc Warband
(https://i.gyazo.com/a88ff13997c47e479d1e86e77cf69877.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/794a993f01e47dd95b325c202a751574.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/df93827fafa40d346b79ab1ed15c1164.png)
Hmmmm.The truth of the matter is that GW set their "price bands" in AU/NZ in the late 90's when things were quite different, but has kept us up to speed with their global price increases (which were every year at one point). There's nothing involved other than the idea of a captive market, especially since they did their best to stop independent stores selling internationally - largely successfully.
Can see it fine. Mostly screengrabs of currency conversion rates as well as price comparisons for figurines.
Nevermind, it was Privacy Badger blocking them.
This is 40k-adjacent, but I'm experimenting with painting up some Age of Sigmar Nighthaunt spooooooooky ghosts with glow in the dark paint.
I kind of wish I thought of that...I did all mine with the Oxide technical over white
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 11, 2020, 12:32:53 PM
I kind of wish I thought of that...I did all mine with the Oxide technical over white
Well that's the thing, the glow in the dark paint dries clear so I can paint them whatever I want for "daylight" colors and then go back over it with the glow paint.
I'm doing mine the same colors as yours.
Also working on undead, first test model for Grave Guard conversions:
(https://i.imgur.com/s1fCfig.jpg)
Did you order that Great Unclean One yet? That looks dope.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2020, 05:49:37 AM
Did you order that Great Unclean One yet? That looks dope.
No, I don't feel like spending $300 on a plastic easter egg.
Anyone else see those new Necron and Primaris models?
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 15, 2020, 12:59:56 PM
Anyone else see those new Necron and Primaris models?
Two weeks ago, yes.
"Bat" swarms for my undead:
(https://i.imgur.com/xTCbcZK.jpg)
Fixing up old Goblins. Monopose make before/after shots easy:
(https://i.imgur.com/y8T0Clm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vBu4PgB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VbUf9yQ.jpg)
So I took the plunge and picked up a few 40k starter sets this morning. It's been 20+ years since I last stepped into a Games Workshop and my painting skills are rusty to say the least. That being said, I forgot how much I loved painting miniatures.
What'd you get?
The Know No Fear box set, some paint sets and a few brushes
There's a new starter set coming out when the new 9th Edition rules hit in the near future.
I mean it's not going to make your miniatures obsolete, but your rulebook will be out of date. If your store has any kind of decent customer service they'll likely be able to hook you up with the new rules when they come out.
My local shop has actually put up a little sign covering the rulebooks on their shelves saying "Whoa not so fast! New rules coming soon!" to dissuade people from buying the "current" rules.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 29, 2020, 03:00:49 AM
There's a new starter set coming out when the new 9th Edition rules hit in the near future.
I mean it's not going to make your miniatures obsolete, but your rulebook will be out of date. If your store has any kind of decent customer service they'll likely be able to hook you up with the new rules when they come out.
My local shop has actually put up a little sign covering the rulebooks on their shelves saying "Whoa not so fast! New rules coming soon!" to dissuade people from buying the "current" rules.
To be fair he explained that to me, but for now I'm just focusing on painting rather than playing
Opinions on getting extra victory points for being fully painted? At first I thought, "sounds like an improvement that'll be hard to enforce", then I saw how upset people were and decided I in fact, 100% support the rule and any others that generate this kinda salt.
Quote from: Shasvre on Jul 05, 2020, 09:02:30 PM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jul 04, 2020, 09:02:31 PM
Things are about to get even more epic......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1PnjrKExd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmAlvZRXLLQ
I wonder what this means for Mars.
It probably means that the Imperium are going to lose quite a few in the Adeptus Mechanicus. Worse case scenario is several Imperator Titans being put under C'tan control.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jul 06, 2020, 04:19:09 PM
It probably means that the Imperium are going to lose quite a few in the Adeptus Mechanicus. Worse case scenario is several Imperator Titans being put under C'tan control.
Doubt it. Ctan are pokemon these days, they don't run shit.
Also, I've decided I don't like the new necrons at all. Some of the silhouettes are cool but with all these crisp, high res images, I've realized how much I still dislike the silly hats, capes made of coins etc of the post-fifth-edition necron look, and again with the better pics, I can see how much the theme of damage and decay infects the entire new model line - I guess that whole "living metal" regeneration thing doesn't apply to SpOoOoOoKy dings and dents and random hanging cables.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 06, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jul 06, 2020, 04:19:09 PM
It probably means that the Imperium are going to lose quite a few in the Adeptus Mechanicus. Worse case scenario is several Imperator Titans being put under C'tan control.
Doubt it. Ctan are pokemon these days
Actually, if you research the Void Dragon in the lore, it has the ability to control technology. Even if it is nothing but a shard, that will still be very problematic for pretty much all of the races with the exception of the Tyranids. You can read more on that here.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mag%27ladroth
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dragon_of_Mars#fn_1a
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jul 06, 2020, 08:33:45 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 06, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jul 06, 2020, 04:19:09 PM
It probably means that the Imperium are going to lose quite a few in the Adeptus Mechanicus. Worse case scenario is several Imperator Titans being put under C'tan control.
Doubt it. Ctan are pokemon these days
Actually, if you research the Void Dragon in the lore, it has the ability to control technology. Even if it is nothing but a shard, that will still be very problematic for pretty much all of the races with the exception of the Tyranids. You can read more on that here.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mag%27ladroth
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dragon_of_Mars#fn_1a
I've been reading the lore since before the dragon was a thing. I strongly doubt there'll be any major fluff impact from this model being released.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 06, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jul 06, 2020, 04:19:09 PM
It probably means that the Imperium are going to lose quite a few in the Adeptus Mechanicus. Worse case scenario is several Imperator Titans being put under C'tan control.
Doubt it. Ctan are pokemon these days, they don't run shit.
Also, I've decided I don't like the new necrons at all. Some of the silhouettes are cool but with all these crisp, high res images, I've realized how much I still dislike the silly hats, capes made of coins etc of the post-fifth-edition necron look, and again with the better pics, I can see how much the theme of damage and decay infects the entire new model line - I guess that whole "living metal" regeneration thing doesn't apply to SpOoOoOoKy dings and dents and random hanging cables.
When you say "new Necrons", do you mean 5th Ed stuff or the to-be-released stuff?
I'm totally okay with the 5th edition stuff, but I'm not at all a fan of a lot of the new stuff, especially the Necron heads and the battle-damaged motif. Give me the option to make them battle damaged, don't make the decision for me.
Also the pinhole-nose on the new Necron heads looks goofy compared to 3rd/5th Ed Necron stuff, and the new Warriors are trash. The 3rd Ed Necron Warriors were perfect and their translucent green rods are awesome. I've got like 50 Necron Warriors and they look awesome in a huge block.
I will say that some of the new Cryptek stuff and the Canoptek constructs look cool though.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 07, 2020, 03:47:54 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 06, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jul 06, 2020, 04:19:09 PM
It probably means that the Imperium are going to lose quite a few in the Adeptus Mechanicus. Worse case scenario is several Imperator Titans being put under C'tan control.
Doubt it. Ctan are pokemon these days, they don't run shit.
Also, I've decided I don't like the new necrons at all. Some of the silhouettes are cool but with all these crisp, high res images, I've realized how much I still dislike the silly hats, capes made of coins etc of the post-fifth-edition necron look, and again with the better pics, I can see how much the theme of damage and decay infects the entire new model line - I guess that whole "living metal" regeneration thing doesn't apply to SpOoOoOoKy dings and dents and random hanging cables.
When you say "new Necrons", do you mean 5th Ed stuff or the to-be-released stuff?
Yes.
Which is to say, I was referring to the newest stuff with that complaint, but I loathe all the 5th ed stuff too (except for the Immortal and Lychguard kits when built at their most simple) since it's the start of the silly hats and coin-cloaks.
Then there's these f**king things:
(https://vendimageuploadcdn.global.ssl.fastly.net/1920,fit/vend-images/product/original/8/8/88f18a82f0d151271c19f56f4071dfd55494baf3.jpg)
QuoteI'm totally okay with the 5th edition stuff, but I'm not at all a fan of a lot of the new stuff, especially the Necron heads and the battle-damaged motif. Give me the option to make them battle damaged, don't make the decision for me.
Exactly. I signed up for Terminator not mecha-zombies.
QuoteAlso the pinhole-nose on the new Necron heads looks goofy compared to 3rd/5th Ed Necron stuff, and the new Warriors are trash.
Agreed.
QuoteThe 3rd Ed Necron Warriors were perfect and their translucent green rods are awesome. I've got like 50 Necron Warriors and they look awesome in a huge block.
Perfect is a bit much. The kit really needed an update, specifically to add new leg poses and change the sprue-connection-points on the heads. But more of a re-cut like Tyranid Warriors and Tau Fire Warriors got, where the basic kit stayed almost identical but got sharper detail and more options.
QuoteI will say that some of the new Cryptek stuff and the Canoptek constructs look cool though.
I was super intrigued by the silhouettes/broad strokes in the leaked blurry pic but upon closer inspection, I was really put off.
I can agree with Warriors getting better head placement on the sprue and more leg options, but I still really like the old kit. I'm totally cool with all of the 5th edition stuff, but most of the new stuff turns me off unless I can do head swaps with the old stuff, that might salvage some of it.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 08, 2020, 08:51:36 PM
I can agree with Warriors getting better head placement on the sprue and more leg options, but I still really like the old kit. I'm totally cool with all of the 5th edition stuff, but most of the new stuff turns me off unless I can do head swaps with the old stuff, that might salvage some of it.
It just suffers from "early 2000's syndrome", where the basic design is great but the soft detailing (compared to newer kits) and homogeneous "options" can make them a bit of a chore. As I said, the Tyranid Warrior kit had the same issue, and its update is essentially the exact same models with a bit more variety of posing, some optional details and a complete suite of weapons (less of a problem for necrons).
Well GW wants $345 NZD for Indomtus so I don't have to worry about busted looking Necrons at all!
Just posting this here because it reminds me of Exterminatus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzWfu3STLtQ
This looks interesting. It is a 40k game from the developers of the Vermintide fantasy games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp44GNRzvCc
Any recommendations where to start when diving into this series?
I have played some of the games (Dawn of War 2 & 3) but haven't read any books.
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 23, 2020, 08:19:10 PM
Any recommendations where to start when diving into this series?
I have played some of the games (Dawn of War 2 & 3) but haven't read any books.
The Horus Heresy series is a good place to start if you ask me. Horus Rising is the first book in that series.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jul 23, 2020, 06:17:38 PM
This looks interesting. It is a 40k game from the developers of the Vermintide fantasy games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp44GNRzvCc
I'm a
big fan of Vermintide, so I am eagerly waiting for more info on this. Especially after the disappointment that was Deathwing.
Why can't we just get a sequel to Space Marine?!
Quote from: Shasvre on Jul 23, 2020, 08:20:48 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 23, 2020, 08:19:10 PM
Any recommendations where to start when diving into this series?
I have played some of the games (Dawn of War 2 & 3) but haven't read any books.
The Horus Heresy series is a good place to start if you ask me. Horus Rising is the first book in that series.
Disagree. Those aren't really "40k" and they undermine the mythological nature of the setting. Heresy stuff should be read *after* a good dose of 40k.
Wweyland, read Storm of Iron.
Fair enough. In that case I would recommend Angels of Darkness by Gav Thorpe.
Guess it's time to empty the wallet again. :-X
Some day I'm going to make the plunge and actually get into miniature painting/wargaming...
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 25, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Some day I'm going to make the plunge and actually get into miniature painting/wargaming...
With the new rules coming out, now is better than ever. ;)
Quote from: Shasvre on Jul 25, 2020, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 25, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Some day I'm going to make the plunge and actually get into miniature painting/wargaming...
With the new rules coming out, now is better than ever. ;)
Well, it's a good time to get in on it thanks to it being the start of an edition cycle. The rules themselves look... bad.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 25, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Some day I'm going to make the plunge and actually get into miniature painting/wargaming...
Look into the genre as a whole, don't just get sucked into GW games right off the bat. The lore is the best/most developed but many other games are more rewarding mechanically and/or have cheaper buy-in.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 25, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Some day I'm going to make the plunge and actually get into miniature painting/wargaming...
Just start with the best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A)
Spoiler
Actually, I have no clue - at all --
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 25, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
Some day I'm going to make the plunge and actually get into miniature painting/wargaming...
I see there is a asoiaf miniature wargame available which would probably interest you. Based on the books, not the tv series.
Miniatures look nice but don't know if the rules are decent - maybe someone here has played it before? Certainly cheaper than GW at the very least.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 26, 2020, 03:14:29 PM
Miniatures look nice but don't know if the rules are decent - maybe someone here has played it before?
Thing is, the farther you get away from the GW* ecosystem, the less miniatures and rules are married to eachother. It's entirely possible to grab some models you like from one manufacturer, some rules from an unrelated publisher, and have an absolute blast. For example, I own hundreds of AvP miniatures, most of my use of them has just been with incredibly simple homebrew mechanics and with a driving narrative to direct the action.
*Also, other "brand heavy" things like X-wing, Warmahordes, etc.
True that, although it might not be so easy for a rank novice.
That depends on genre. Historicals aren't going to require brand loyalty, just choosing a scale, for example.
So what happened to the primarchs of the 2nd and 11th legions?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 03, 2020, 04:21:29 AM
So what happened to the primarchs of the 2nd and 11th legions?
Nothing, they're [plot hook left blank for your dudes]. Or were. I'm not sure what the HH books are doing with them at this point but if it ever gets explained fully I'm going to fly to Ireland to punch Aaron Dembsky-Bowden.
I've seen a few references to them in them in the novels, but nothing concrete. Most recent was Horus throwing a tantrum to Malcador over it while Alpharius and Jaghatai watched.
I wonder what they could have done that was any worse than how Lorgar and Angron defied the Emperor during the The Great Crusade.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 03, 2020, 10:14:42 PM
I've seen a few references to them in them in the novels, but nothing concrete. Most recent was Horus throwing a tantrum to Malcador over it while Alpharius and Jaghatai watched.
I wonder what they could have done that was any worse than how Lorgar and Angron defied the Emperor during the The Great Crusade.
Turns out that instead of bald men, they were space elephants the whole time.
Have you resupplied yet?
I bought a bunch of stuff from the UK in june that still hasn't arrived and I'm stubbornly refusing to buy anything else until this is resolved.
A surprise teaser for a follow up to
Astartes has leaked. It looks pretty amazing from the short clip!
Big H Dog has covered it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7PqlATrGJA
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 03, 2020, 11:24:16 PM
I bought a bunch of stuff from the UK in june that still hasn't arrived and I'm stubbornly refusing to buy anything else until this is resolved.
Did it arrive yet?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 03, 2020, 08:23:54 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 03, 2020, 11:24:16 PM
I bought a bunch of stuff from the UK in june that still hasn't arrived and I'm stubbornly refusing to buy anything else until this is resolved.
Did it arrive yet?
No, but they finally replied to my emails last week, and will eventually get around to sending me my shit once the month long UK lockdown is over (maybe).
Suppose I needed to glue something transparent. What would you use?
Depends on what it's made of, what it's for and how good you want it to look, honestly.
It's about fixing a backlight diffuser inside my TV and you're the only one I could think of who knows about glue. I think they're made of glass.
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv5s0KttNX0
Also, have you been reading Marvel's 40k comics?
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/WngigXV.jpg)
Ah so that's probably a cyanoacrylate (super glue) job. I'd advise using a thicker gel type so it doesn't run. This glue can cause a white misting on surfaces if you use too much, which could be an issue if you aren't super careful, but I'm guessing you will be if trying to operate on a TV. Just make sure that when you apply the glue, you're ready to place the parts immediately, it can start to cure in as little as ten seconds depending on heat/humidity, and will form an almost instant bond when pressure is applied. A few drops is usually plenty.
I did a little further digging and it turns out this is a relatively common problem, so the popular choice among the DIY fixers seems to be UV epoxy. I went ahead and bought some of that and a UV flashlight on Amazon.
To make matters worse, my TV is mounted on an aftermarket stand with its own complicated set of screws and bolts so taking it all apart is going to be a real bitch. Still, it's preferable to shelling out $1,800 for a new OLED right now.
At least I'll get a chance to make sure the other diffusion lenses are secure and maybe extend the life of my TV a little longer. It's nothing fancy by today's standards (Samsung UN50J6300), but it's good enough for my needs.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 19, 2020, 07:32:51 AM
I did a little further digging and it turns out this is a relatively common problem, so the popular choice among the DIY fixers seems to be UV epoxy. I went ahead and bought some of that and a UV flashlight on Amazon.
To make matters worse, my TV is mounted on an aftermarket stand with its own complicated set of screws and bolts so taking it all apart is going to be a real bitch. Still, it's preferable to shelling out $1,800 for a new OLED right now.
At least I'll get a chance to make sure the other diffusion lenses are secure and maybe extend the life of my TV a little longer. It's nothing fancy by today's standards (Samsung UN50J6300), but it's good enough for my needs.
Yeah those little UV torches are great, and most epoxy is generally an insanely strong bond.
Could you use it with your minis?
For large-scale resin and vinyl models it's the method of choice from what I hear, but I mostly f**k with smaller stuff where a dab of cyanoacrylate or polystyrene cement is all it takes.
Late 90's style Dark Eldar scheme. I can hear the Linkin Park and smell the Lynx Bodyspray from here.
(https://i.imgur.com/tH1Qo8e.jpg)
GUO from around 2010
(https://i.imgur.com/HNxaH4e.jpg)
Have you ever tried 3D printing those models?
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 30, 2020, 07:58:17 PM
Have you ever tried 3D printing those models?
Printers are finally getting good enough to get excellent results at this scale.
But I can't afford one.
Would you just print the parts and assemble them or could you print an entire mini in one piece?
The cheapest printers I've seen go for a few hundred bucks.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 01, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
Would just print the parts and assemble them or could you print an entire mini in one piece?
yes
Quote from: Phobos on Dec 01, 2020, 06:50:09 PM
The cheapest printers I've seen go for a few hundred bucks.
That's a few hundred more than I have at the moment.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 01, 2020, 06:53:25 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 01, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
Would just print the parts and assemble them or could you print an entire mini in one piece?
yes
Can they print in color, thus negating the need for you to paint them by hand?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 01, 2020, 07:01:18 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 01, 2020, 06:53:25 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 01, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
Would just print the parts and assemble them or could you print an entire mini in one piece?
yes
Can they print in color, thus negating the need for you to paint them by hand?
I've seen it done, but they don't look any good. Only advisable for people who can't paint.
Do you ever sell your models?
Quote from: Phobos on Dec 01, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
Do you ever sell your models?
I used to do commission work when I lived in the city, but there's no money in selling models, especially 40k ones with GW's creative international pricing. You're always selling at a loss.
Perhaps you should visit the UK and stock up.
I'll take poverty over the plague, tbh.
What a $500 3d printer gets you.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/KGMn9-gvgeddQQS33T83SkIl6z9fZhya2S-3NICodu8.jpg?auto=webp&s=b1d52217f5872e6e2a71836f7288bccfd3b078a4)
That's $750 here btw, and I don't have anything spare in the foreseeable future.
https://twitter.com/Darktide40K/status/1336007950331154434
Picked up Codex: Adepta Sororitas, The Flight of the Eisenstein and The Buried Dagger to have something to read. Now I'm just waiting for the new Death Guard codex to be released so I can get back into the hobby properly.
GW has you now.
I got into WH40K back when the first T'au codex was released. Those were the good times.
I'm slowly restoring the last of my old Necron minis up to the standards of the rest of my Necron army, it's slow going but at least the end is in sight.
I'm also working on a terrain project - I'm doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITc2G0SZLTs
Did you give GW any money for the holidays?
I was unemployed all through December, so unfortunately my GW spending resumed after the New Year.
I am giving them more money tomorrow, though!
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 08, 2021, 09:07:50 PM
I got into WH40K back when the first T'au codex was released. Those were the good times.
I never left those good times behind. Even when I ended up with a bunch of Primaris marines, I just did them as true-scale marines for 3rd Edition.
(https://i.imgur.com/i1hnEq5.jpg)
Are you working on any other chapters yet? Just for color variation, I've always liked to see Ultramarines mixed with Imperial Fists and Blood Angels.
I'm doing a few Black Templars in the smaller size, that I don't intend to mix with those. The Ultramarines list is plenty big already frankly (and has a handful of exotic allied units), and the box that was the only cheap source of Primaris bodies is OOP, so I don't see any more power armour in my future.
4000pts 3rd Edition Ultras:
Spoiler
1 Commander (HQ) @ 389 Pts
Plasma Pistol (x1); Power Weapon (x1)
Master Crafted Weapon [15]
Iron Halo [25]
3 Command Squad @ [274] Pts
Bolter (x1); Plasma Gun (x2)
1 Apothecary @ [50] Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Close Combat Weapon (x1)
Reductor [5]
Narthecium [25]
1 Standard Bearer @ [38] Pts
Bolter
Sacred Standard [20]
1 Techmarine @ [65] Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Close Combat Weapon (x1)
Signum [15]
Servo Arm [30]
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [55] Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist (x1)
1 Chaplain (HQ) @ 76 Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Crozius Arcanum; Rosarius
Purity Seals [5]
1 Librarian (HQ) @ 101 Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Force Weapon (x1)
1 Leader (HQ) @ 57 Pts
Power Fist (x1); Bolter
1 Leader (HQ) @ 81 Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Thunder Hammer (x1)
Jump Pack [20]
1 Leader (HQ) @ 40 Pts
Bolter-Grn. Launcher
1 The Emperor's Champion @ 105 Pts
Bolt Pistol
#Purity Seals
#Iron Halo
#Master Crafted Weapon
#Black Sword
#Artificer Armour
#Terminator Honours
0 Deathwatch Kill Team (HQ) @ 255 Pts
Frag Grenades; Melta-Bombs
1 Deathwatch Captain @ [80] Pts
Power Weapon (x1); Bolter (x1); Frag Grenades; Melta-Bombs
Terminator Honours [15]
4 Deathwatch Veterans @ [175] Pts
Bolter & Power Weapon (x2); Bolter w/ M.40 Targeter & CCW (x1); Heavy
Bolter (Sus, Hell) & CCW (x1); Frag Grenades; Melta-Bombs
1 Grey Knight Grand Master (HQ) (om) @ 160 Pts
Nemesis Force Halberd
#Terminator Armour
#Sanctuary [15]
4 Grey Knights (Troops) (om) @ 200 Pts
Psycannon (x2); Nemesis & Storm Bolter
1 Grey Knight Justicar @ [50] Pts
Nemesis & Storm Bolter
1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 133 Pts
Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Dread. CC Weapon;
Heavy Flamer; Plasma Cannon
Smoke Launchers [3]
Extra Armour [5]
1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 113 Pts
Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Dread. CC Weapon;
Storm Bolter; Assault Cannon
Smoke Launchers [3]
Extra Armour [5]
9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 183 Pts
Bolter (x7); Missile Launcher (x1); Flamer (x1)
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [32] Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCWep.
Auspex [2]
9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 183 Pts
Bolter (x7); Missile Launcher (x1); Flamer (x1)
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [32] Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCWep.
Auspex [2]
9 Assault Squad (Fast Attack) @ 300 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCWep. (x7); Power Weapon & Bolt Pistol (x2); Frag Grenades; Jump
Packs
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [65] Pts
Frag Grenades; Jump Packs; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist (x1)
9 Assault Squad (Fast Attack) @ 300 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCWep. (x7); Power Weapon & Bolt Pistol (x2); Frag Grenades; Jump
Packs
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [65] Pts
Frag Grenades; Jump Packs; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist (x1)
9 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 322 Pts
Bolter (x5); Multi-Melta (x4)
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [47] Pts
Bolter-Meltagun
Auspex [2]
9 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 227 Pts
Bolter (x5); Heavy Bolter (x4)
1 Veteran Sergeant @ [32] Pts
Bolter
Auspex [2]
1 Land Raider 'Crusader' (Heavy Support) @ 255 Pts
2 'Hurricane' Bolters; Linked Assault Cannon; Multi-Melta
#Extra Armour
1 Land Raider (Heavy Support) @ 260 Pts
Linked Lascannon (x2); Twin Heavy Bolters
Pintle Storm Bolter [10]
1 Land Raider (Heavy Support) @ 260 Pts
Linked Lascannon (x2); Twin Heavy Bolters
Pintle Storm Bolter [10]
Models in Army: 90
Total Army Cost: 4000
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 09, 2021, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 08, 2021, 09:07:50 PM
I got into WH40K back when the first T'au codex was released. Those were the good times.
I never left those good times behind. Even when I ended up with a bunch of Primaris marines, I just did them as true-scale marines for 3rd Edition.
(https://i.imgur.com/i1hnEq5.jpg)
Beautiful. I've always favored the yellow over gold and bolters
need to be red.
So, my experience with Hasslefree Miniatures was not hassle free, but I did finally get the models I bought in June, after disputing things with Pay Pal.
With that said, I've painted my first Lahmian Vampire:
(https://i.imgur.com/Rm7COvp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/imZ9vMc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DC8NTqU.jpg)
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/48/b7/lpiouCOl_t.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/lpiouCOl) (https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/02/33/4w2kH6AA_t.jpeg) (https://imgbox.com/4w2kH6AA) (https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/a7/83/3lEfQqLH_t.jpeg) (https://imgbox.com/3lEfQqLH) (https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/21/54/JxgLbzNH_t.jpeg) (https://imgbox.com/JxgLbzNH)
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/0e/c9/5BGUjqmt_t.jpeg) (https://imgbox.com/5BGUjqmt) (https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/4b/06/BbqoWlMY_t.jpeg) (https://imgbox.com/BbqoWlMY) (https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/71/0a/9RSaRapi_t.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/9RSaRapi) (https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/da/e3/BSfBtmzz_t.jpeg) (https://imgbox.com/BSfBtmzz)
Pre-Heresy primarchs?
This is finally getting released this Saturday (January 23).
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/e9/e0/UlcX0oA5_t.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/UlcX0oA5)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 19, 2021, 01:47:21 AMPre-Heresy primarchs?
Before even the Great Crusade, I think.
Angron, Corax, Dorn, Horus
Lorgar, Magnus, Mortarion, Perturabo
Having a crack at speedpainting with inks
(https://i.imgur.com/OG2eoTq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9kaQS0u.jpg)
Inks? Like colored Sharpies?
Is that what you have to resort to when you run out of your usual supplies?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2021, 07:46:24 PM
Inks? Like colored Sharpies?
Is that what you have to resort to when you run out of your usual supplies?
No, inks like this:
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The results look good to me, but I have an untrained eye. Have you acquired anything new?
Nah, haven't had the disposable lately. Property rates soon, then I might treat myself to some new brushes, paints and a handful of figures.
Addendum: I'm glad I'm broke at the moment otherwise I'd be buying all that Hedonites stuff.
I don't think GW considers a lack of money as an acceptable excuse for not buying their products.
This news about the astartes project is super awesome!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/22/warhammer-animation-preview-online-watch-the-first-five-minutes-of-angels-of-death/ (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/22/warhammer-animation-preview-online-watch-the-first-five-minutes-of-angels-of-death/)
More animation stuff. I can't even describe how aggressively unenthused I am for Angels of Death, but some of the other stuff looks fascinating.
That animation looks unimpressive.
I really don't think they should be leading the charge with what looks like (and presumably is) crappy source film maker stuff, when there's traditional animation on the way and astartes II being worked on full time.
Picked up the battletome and starter set for AoS Gloomspite Gitz. Aiming for a 2000 points army of mostly squig units, with some ogor allies thrown in for good measure.
I've been painting Night Goblins for 21 years, so just pipe up if you need any technical tips.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 29, 2021, 10:29:50 PM
I've been painting Night Goblins for 21 years, so just pipe up if you need any technical tips.
Thanks. :)
I think I'm mostly made of green paint at the moment.
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https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/1407089134687068161
Please god no.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 23, 2021, 07:54:38 PM
Please god no.
That's a pretty esoteric way of saying "hell f**king yes", what language is that?
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Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 23, 2021, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 23, 2021, 07:54:38 PM
Please god no.
That's a pretty esoteric way of saying "hell f**king yes", what language is that?
I love the idea of big budget Hollywood sensibilities completely sanitizing the setting, and that the hypothetical director is asking twitter for youtube reccs as a lore intro. Where do I sign up for this fantastic plan?
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😝
I doubt he's about to make a 40K film any time soon.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 24, 2021, 07:50:47 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 23, 2021, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 23, 2021, 07:54:38 PM
Please god no.
That's a pretty esoteric way of saying "hell f**king yes", what language is that?
I love the idea of big budget Hollywood sensibilities completely sanitizing the setting, and that the hypothetical director is asking twitter for youtube reccs as a lore intro. Where do I sign up for this fantastic plan?
I wouldn't really call Blomkamp "big budget Hollywood sensibilities."
Him asking for lore info so he can actually learn about the subject matter is a good sign.
YouTube vids are a pretty wise place to start for 40K lore primers if you have no exposure to the universe whatsoever and don't even know where to start.
Unrelated but a new trailer for Warhammer+ came out and it's going to be $60/year, which feels very reasonable given the content they're promising? AND you get a free mini out of the deal that would likely cost $30 on its own if they sold it in stores.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 24, 2021, 04:03:43 PMUnrelated but a new trailer for Warhammer+ came out and it's going to be $60/year, which feels very reasonable given the content they're promising? AND you get a free mini out of the deal that would likely cost $30 on its own if they sold it in stores.
I would be willing to pay it for that Vindicare alone.
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/24/a8/LkZgXecT_t.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/LkZgXecT)
I picked up the Dominion box set for AoS. A friend got the Kruleboyz and I took the rest. New Stormcast models are pretty dope and the August release (battletome and even more models) looks promising as well. Finally a battleline squad with swords!
No matter how hard I try, I just cannot get into AoS.
I bought a bunch of AoS Nighthaunt minis just because I thought they looked cool and I wanted to paint up some spooky ghost minis for Halloween last year. I even painted a bunch of them with glow in the dark paint as an added gimmick.
I don't plan to expand them into a full AoS "army", but I would like to give Warcry a shot just to see what it's like and I've got enough Nighthaunt stuff to put together a little warband.
I've got a handful of the new era AoS models, and once in a while grab a character or set for conversions. The models themselves are mostly great. But I'm extremely done with actively supported GW games, I can't be bothered with the constant churn and rules changes. A lot of people view that stuff as a huge improvement and for competitive players it certainly is. But it takes me a year to paint an army and by then the meta has completely shifted to "everything you just painted is now impossible to win with".
Were you finally able to resupply?
New edition of Kill Team has been confirmed.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 10, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
New edition of Kill Team has been confirmed.
1) The set, named Octarius, the infamous warzone where Orks and Tyranids have been driven together into a sector-engulfing evolutionary arms race, features Orks but not Tyranids.
2)These big boxes are all $400+ here now, it's frankly insulting.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 10, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
New edition of Kill Team has been confirmed.
I rather enjoyed the video game. Too bad I can't play it on my Xbox Series X.
https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Warhammer-40-000-Kill-Team/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410b52
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2021, 10:56:36 PM
Were you finally able to resupply?
No. I'm gunna be finishing up some 40k armies for an older edition, mostly just painting backlog and snagging a few discounted old things here and there, then calling it a day. The cynical and eternal rules churn, general rules direction that isn't my vibe, and the fact that most infantry figures are now over $10 NZD per model (with armies needing 50-150 of those plus heroes and vehicles) all combine to make it an unappealing and unaffordable proposition to bother with GW at all.
That sounds like you're giving up on 40k altogether.
More or less, yes.
Painted some Stormcast today. Boy, I haven't painted in a long time and it shows.
I also don't much care for Army Painter paints, don't think they cover very good, at least not the gold.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 10, 2021, 06:33:10 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 10, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
New edition of Kill Team has been confirmed.
1) The set, named Octarius, the infamous warzone where Orks and Tyranids have been driven together into a sector-engulfing evolutionary arms race, features Orks but not Tyranids.
2)These big boxes are all $400+ here now, it's frankly insulting.
1. The box set has Krieg, who haven't seen an update in like 15 years, I'm willing to give them a pass. Also the Nids are getting featured in the 40k Octarius campaign book, so maybe they'll get some models that way?
2. I'm not buying the box set personally, I'm getting the core rulebook that I assume will come out right alongside it.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 11, 2021, 12:43:49 AM
The box set has Krieg, who haven't seen an update in like 15 years
The basic Tyranid infantry hasn't seen an update in
twenty one years.
Quote2. I'm not buying the box set personally, I'm getting the core rulebook that I assume will come out right alongside it.
I can't imagine paying money for shoddy GW rules, but you do you.
What would GW have to do to make you say this?
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Bring Asia-Pacific pricing in-line with UK and US pricing.
Then half those prices.
Spoiler
Or buy the AvP license.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 11, 2021, 12:43:49 AM
The box set has Krieg, who haven't seen an update in like 15 years
The basic Tyranid infantry hasn't seen an update in twenty one years.
Quote2. I'm not buying the box set personally, I'm getting the core rulebook that I assume will come out right alongside it.
I can't imagine paying money for shoddy GW rules, but you do you.
You don't even know what the rules are, lmao
The well-worn adage is true, "No one hates [y] more than fans of [y]."
I know that the last time GW published legitimately good rules was in 2009 (War of the Ring), which is now only available in a bastardized version and seems to have been a fluke in the first place.
I know that GW charges Premium Product Prices for most of their rules, and that the quality of those rules has, with few exceptions, ranged from "somewhat acceptable" to "abysmal" when compared with other (cheaper) wargames, for over 20 years.
I know that a cycle of partially broken rules, and the updates/fixes for them, is a core part of the GW business model.
They make mostly excellent models, which they over-charge for (especially where I am). In the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, they were making some truly enthralling lore - and lots of it. They have rarely, ever, made a non-broken game system.
I dunno man, 8th edition was fun (haven't played 9th), Aeronautica Imperialis is fun, I've heard a ton of praise for Adeptus Titanicus, and Kill Team was neat. I've heard a lot of praise for Warcry, so maybe the new Kill Team will hew more in that direction.
Like I said, you don't know what the rule set is. Maybe you have reason to be skeptical based on your past experiences but automatically discarding it wholesale before it's even out is, well... "you do you" I guess.
Also I'm of the opinion that they never stopped making cool lore.
Do you read the novels?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2021, 05:26:07 PM
Do you read the novels?
Off and on, if it's a subject that interests me. I don't read much Space Marine stuff.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2021, 05:26:07 PM
Do you read the novels?
Not since the Heresy series decided to be 100 books long and go nowhere fast.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 12, 2021, 03:57:20 AM
I dunno man, 8th edition was fun (haven't played 9th), Aeronautica Imperialis is fun, I've heard a ton of praise for Adeptus Titanicus, and Kill Team was neat. I've heard a lot of praise for Warcry, so maybe the new Kill Team will hew more in that direction.
First, I think you're misunderstanding me somewhat. Due to the social nature of wargaming, you can have Fun even with a completely broken, miserable set of rules as long as your opponent is a good bloke. But that says more about their and your own social skills than it does about the games themselves.
Personally I felt 8th was just an exercise in rolling rice with little to no real decision making beyond the list-building (aka purchasing) stage. This has been a problem with 40k and most GW games in general for a
long time. 8th was an overall improvement on 7th, but that's not saying much because 7th was legitimately torturous to play.
AA, I can't comment since I don't think a single person in my country actually plays it.
Titanicus is basically BattleTech with dodgier rules and GW premium pricing.
Kill team, I found to have a lot of the same issues I just outlined for 40k, unless you happen upon an opponent with an asymmetrical strategy that forces you to think. Problem being the rules did not encourage those asymmetries in the first place, and where they did it was rarely a choice and more often a failure of design, rendering the situation moot since you just clean up anyway.
Warcry is quantifiably where KT is headed in the new edition, although not fully. From what people have figured out from the big video, certain elements have been directly ported over, while others seem very, very likely in connection with the proven stuff. On the face of it, this would be an improvement but I've learned never to underestimate the ability of GW to completely cock up what should be an easy win for them.
QuoteLike I said, you don't know what the rule set is. Maybe you have reason to be skeptical based on your past experiences but automatically discarding it wholesale before it's even out is, well... "you do you" I guess.
Thank you, I will. I'd love to be proven wrong, but 9th ed still just being about which (expensive, new) models you buy and spam ten of, then stack character buffs onto, like 8th was, does not fill me with hope that they've gotten any better at game design as opposed to the games being elaborate marketing for the toys themselves.
QuoteAlso I'm of the opinion that they never stopped making cool lore.
It went down hill and never recovered around the same time the head office mandated that everything needed branded/repetitive names, like having a Space Wolves Wolf Lord with Wolf Totem and Twin Wolf Claws riding a Cyber-Wolf.
I want to say, 2009 ish? I remember being excited for Blood Angels finally getting a new book after a decade of neglect, only to find it was full of Bloodstrike Missiles and Blood Talons and almost entirely recycled second edition fluff.
Now we're at the point where 40k is an ongoing narrative with Primarch MCs, rather than a sandbox setting.
Maybe they should bring back Matt Ward to fix the rules. Just imagine what he'd do with Guilliman.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 12, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2021, 05:26:07 PM
Do you read the novels?
Not since the Heresy series decided to be 100 books long and go nowhere fast.
It's about 50, and although it's got (a lot of) filler, apparently the series does have some winners in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1m8gmu3Nyc(this guy's channel is really good, by the way)
I've only read like the first 6 HH books before I got bogged down with other stuff I wanted to read and never got caught up, and I doubt I'll ever have the time to plow through all 50 books, but I might read through some of the stand-outs.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 12, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
AA, I can't comment since I don't think a single person in my country actually plays it.
It's a good time; the models are cool, the risk/reward system of pushing your airplane keeps things exciting, I dig it all around.
Avoid the PC game like the plague though. It's literally the tabletop game in digital format, but tries to condense the dogfights into "real time" (which is way worse than it sounds) and strips out all of the social aspects of the game (and obviously all of the hobby/painting stuff).
Dakka Squadron is a way better time if you really need a 40k dogfighting videogame.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 12, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
QuoteAlso I'm of the opinion that they never stopped making cool lore.
It went down hill and never recovered around the same time the head office mandated that everything needed branded/repetitive names, like having a Space Wolves Wolf Lord with Wolf Totem and Twin Wolf Claws riding a Cyber-Wolf.
I want to say, 2009 ish? I remember being excited for Blood Angels finally getting a new book after a decade of neglect, only to find it was full of Bloodstrike Missiles and Blood Talons and almost entirely recycled second edition fluff.
Now we're at the point where 40k is an ongoing narrative with Primarch MCs, rather than a sandbox setting.
That's why I opt to read non-Space Marine stuff, although there have been some winners published after 2009 - 'The World Engine' (pub 2016) tells the story of the single greatest Space Marine chapter ever making a ridiculous suicide run against a Necron Death Star and fighting to the last man before blowing the thing up and saving a sub-sector. It f**king owns.
There have been 3 really awesome Necron stories recently ('Severed', 'War in the Museum', and 'The Infinite and the Divine') that are all totally awesome. I'm listening to 'Lords of Silence' right now and it's pretty cool, too.
We also got the recent Sabbat Worlds lore book and the Liber Xenobiologis book, both of which are excellent.
Saying "it's all Space Marine bullshit, and has been for over a decade" feels like you're painting things with an unnecessarily broad brush.
I'm reading Godblight right now since Roboute Guilliman is the de facto MC of 40k these days. ;D
Now, Xenomrph, we're not going to agree on these books because I loathe, body and soul, the 2011 changes to the Necron faction.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2021, 10:19:59 PM
Maybe they should bring back Matt Ward to fix the rules. Just imagine what he'd do with Guilliman.
You jest, but Ward wrote one of their best rule sets ever, pretty much on his own (War of the Ring), and every codex he did for 40k had near perfect internal balance and gave you the freedom to take whichever models appealed to you and still stand a chance competitively.
The two big issues were that A) he was most notable as a codex writer during the time GW started being very transparent with its corporate bullshit (things like BLOODSTRIKE MISSILES or the GK baby-carrier model come to mind first), and B) totally incompetent codexes with zero internal or external balance written by absolute chucklef**ks like Robin Cruddace being what Wards' books were up against.
5th edition could have unironically been the best edition, despite some serious flaws in the core book and the fluff starting to turn sour, if they'd gotten Ward to write every codex. Remember if everything is over-powered, nothing is.
Having said that, I hear what he did in the late WHFB is totally unforgivable, but that game was dead for at least 5 years before they pulled the plug so I wouldn't know personally.
What's wrong with the Necrons? ???
They went from "beep boop soulless machines here to harvest you for our nightmarish star-gods" to "AKSHUALLY the gods are splintered and are now Pokemon, also high ranking Necrons have cartoon villain personalities and get up to ZANY ANTICS YO"
People will say that there is still a sub-faction that is deluded/insane and still acts like the old ones did, and that this should be enough, but it's more of a slap in the face than anything.
I love what they did with the Necrons - they went from soulless machines who were basically incapable of having unique characters, and instead allowed players to personalize their army however they want. If you want your dynasty to still be soulless machines that's absolutely possible (and you can make up why they're like that - maybe they're just waking up, maybe they got memory-wiped due to degradation in their programming, etc), but if you want to make up lore for your own army you have actual options and sub-factions and a lot more character. There's reasons for infighting, politics, alliances, etc.
if you want soulless creatures bent on nothing but death, the Tyranids still exist.
And the Necron special characters are hilarious. For a race of unstoppable killer robots with technology so advanced it might as well be magic, they've got characters like a kleptomaniac asshole, a time-traveling oracle asshole, literally a Wooster & Jeeves/Don Quixote & Sancho Panda pastiche, Erwin Rommel, and Mengele. It's like the authors realize that the UNSTOPPABLE MURDER ROBOTS idea is inherently ridiculous and are in on the joke, I love it.
The C'tan were interesting in a sort of Lovecraftian horror motif, but we already had that with the Chaos gods. Taking the focus away from the C'tan and putting it on the actual Necrons themselves (you know, the minis you're buying and personalizing and moving around on the table) was a wise move.
Hard disagree to all of that, sorry.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 13, 2021, 06:39:14 PM
If you want your dynasty to still be soulless machines that's absolutely possible (and you can make up why they're like that - maybe they're just waking up, maybe they got memory-wiped due to degradation in their programming, etc)
This part especially. Oh, you spent a thousand dollars and hour upon hour building and painting your space terminators and their eldritch god? Well GOOD NEWS! You can still play like that if you admit that your dudes are wrong/broken!
Nah, f**k off GW.
They're not wrong or broken, though. They're just different.
I'd much rather have a faction where people are encouraged to customize their stuff and get creative and tell their own stories as opposed to one where you're absolutely locked down and have to present them in a certain way. That's boring and stifles creativity.
Not to mention that it was essentially impossible to portray the old Necrons in the fiction as anything other than personality-less boogeymen (a niche already cornered by the Tyranids). Necron POV stories were essentially impossible.
Oh well, to each their own.
Point was that there's a lot more than just mediocre Space Marine bolter porn out there, so complaining that it's Space Marines all the way down is silly.
QuoteThey're not wrong or broken, though. They're just different.
"My Necrons are soulless automatons who serve an eternally thirsting star-god"
"The fact they lack whacky personalities means they're damaged or corrupted in some way, also your god is dead and they're being tricked by a splinter of his left foot lol"
It really rubs one the wrong way after a significant dollar investment and years of mental investment.
QuoteI'd much rather have a faction where people are encouraged to customize their stuff and get creative and tell their own stories as opposed to one where you're absolutely locked down and have to present them in a certain way. That's boring and stifles creativity.
You have roughly 30 of those, and it was also entirely possible for both players and GW to add more variety and individuality to Necron forces without making them Tomb Kings of Khemri, or invalidating years of buildup around the Ctan conspiracy and the Pariah gene.
QuoteNot to mention that it was essentially impossible to portray the old Necrons in the fiction as anything other than personality-less boogeymen (a niche already cornered by the Tyranids). Necron POV stories were essentially impossible.
Objectively incorrect, there are stories older than and contemporary with the 3e Necron codex both from a Necron perspective and featuring them, where Lords have individuality, personality, and are even capable of guile and deceit up to and including infiltrating an Inquisitorial facility in a human-suit. None of this required shitting all over the Ctan, or Rick and Morty style antics.
QuotePoint was that there's a lot more than just mediocre Space Marine bolter porn out there, so complaining that it's Space Marines all the way down is silly.
I don't believe I ever made that complaint, the complaint I made was that it has shifted into an ongoing, evolving narrative where The Latest Events drastically shape and alter the setting.
Obviously this will be Imperium-centric, which wasn't my complaint either, I was ass-pained about several Primarchs becoming central characters to that ongoing narrative, rather than long-lost mythical figures (Imperial) or background plot devices (Chaos).
Bringing any of them to the fore (as in-game characters or in novels/fluff) is off-putting to me.
Quote"My Necrons are soulless automatons who serve an eternally thirsting star-god"
"The fact they lack whacky personalities means they're damaged or corrupted in some way, also your god is dead and they're being tricked by a splinter of his left foot lol"
Yeah but that's not what the current lore says - it says some of them have full personalities, some have quirky personalities, and some have no personality. All for various reasons. Pick the one that suits you.
If you're going by the OldCron lore,
all of the Necrons were damaged - they'd nearly been stripped of their personalities. Even the old lore had semi-sentient, "damaged", or not-quite-aware Necrons.
Quoteit was also entirely possible for both players and GW to add more variety and individuality to Necron forces without making them Tomb Kings of Khemri
For example?
Quoteor invalidating years of buildup around the Ctan conspiracy and the Pariah gene.
This is a more valid complaint, although "the C'tan did everything" is boring IMO, and given how often the term "Pariah" has been name-dropped w/r/t Necrons in the last, like, year, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they made a comeback.
QuoteLords have individuality, personality, and are even capable of guile and deceit up to and including infiltrating an Inquisitorial facility in a human-suit.
...and all of that is still possible in the current lore.
QuoteNone of this required shitting all over the Ctan, or Rick and Morty style antics.
The C'tan complaint is valid, although I don't agree with it - I think the Necrons as a faction are a lot more interesting when their lore is focusing on the Necrons themselves.
It's worth pointing out that not all of the Necrons are zany goofballs, or even most of them - out of the 8 named characters in the most recent codex, 5 of them are Serious Business with tactical acumen and arguably all of their mental faculties. The existence of a couple eccentric characters doesn't somehow ruin "The Lore" any moreso than the existence of Ciaphas Cain. If you want to have an old-school Necron army with a Serious Business Overlord and mindless, ruthlessly efficient troops, that's still absolutely on the table. Outside of the C'tan being nerfed, none of the old lore was outright invalidated - you could even put Pariahs in your own lore even if you can't field them on the tabletop; as mentioned, the recent fiction has been hinting at it since the 7th edition Necron codex.
It seems like your problem is that they allowed Necrons to have personalities other than Serious Business, and it just seems like a weird complaint. Some people want to be creative with their army in a creative hobby, it seems like a good idea to let them do that instead of gatekeeping them and say "no, your Necrons must always be Serious Business 100% of the time or you're breaking The Lore".
Quotethe complaint I made was that it has shifted into an ongoing, evolving narrative where The Latest Events drastically shape and alter the setting.
That seems like an objectively good thing, though? ???
An ongoing, evolving narrative lets GW introduce new ideas, minis, campaigns, etc, especially after the narrative had been essentially static for 3 decades.
The latest events haven't "drastically" altered anything though - 3 Primarchs have come back, and what has actually changed? There are new Better Space Marines, but what has actually changed? Chaos has a new warp rift cutting the galaxy in half, but what has actually changed? The galaxy is still at war, the Imperium is still beset on all sides and on the verge of collapse, and everything still sucks all the time for everyone.
Not to mention, they only started advancing the narrative when 8th edition dropped in 2018, but you cited 2009 as when the problems started?
QuotePrimarchs becoming central characters to that ongoing narrative, rather than long-lost mythical figures (Imperial) or background plot devices (Chaos).
I can totally get this, having the Horus Heresy and its characters be this distant poorly-remembered memory was neat and lent a "mythical" quality to the history of the lore. But the moment the HH books started and the Primarchs started actually being written as complex characters with flaws and individual motivations, it opened the door to bring them back in the modern setting because they weren't just mythical demigods anymore.
Like I said I get why you'd object to it (I initially did as well, ultimately I'm pretty ambivalent about it).
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
Did you agree to disagree?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2021, 11:07:06 PM
Did you agree to disagree?
Absolutely, all the time.
Edit-- actually anyone who disagrees with me is a filthy heretic and has strayed from the Emperor's holy light, and must be purged with cleansing fire. >:(
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2021, 11:07:06 PM
Did you agree to disagree?
It was becoming exhausting and had zero chance of either party convincing the other, so why bother?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 16, 2021, 11:30:47 PM
Edit-- actually anyone who disagrees with me is a filthy heretic and has strayed from the Emperor's holy light, and must be purged with cleansing fire. >:(
This, except I'm actually right.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 17, 2021, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2021, 11:07:06 PM
Did you agree to disagree?
It was becoming exhausting and had zero chance of either party convincing the other, so why bother?
Because it was entertaining me! >:(
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 17, 2021, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2021, 11:07:06 PM
Did you agree to disagree?
It was becoming exhausting and had zero chance of either party convincing the other, so why bother?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 16, 2021, 11:30:47 PM
Edit-- actually anyone who disagrees with me is a filthy heretic and has strayed from the Emperor's holy light, and must be purged with cleansing fire. >:(
This, except I'm actually right.
Um actually after much quiet reflection and introspection I believe you'll find that I'm right.
Some questions about The Old World answered.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/21/square-bases-and-kislev-ascendant-see-your-questions-about-warhammer-the-old-world-answered/
All of GW's painting videos are quite pleasant to watch, but Duncan might just be my favorite and his own channel is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImGHTaS3wNw
I'll be preordering the Sororitas combat patrol box, I'm looking forward to it.
Shouldn't CB order it too?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 28, 2021, 01:43:15 AM
Shouldn't CB order it too?
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Quote from: Shasvre on Jul 17, 2021, 10:52:47 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2021, 09:27:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9L6U1vnwvo
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Toss a coin to your Witcher
His toys are expensive
So very expensive
I finished reading The Talon of Horus and Black Legion by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. Solid stuff. Gonna try to pick up Helsreach next - in time for the upcoming Black Templar release.
The first miniatures I've assembled and begun painting in a very long time. I would have prefered a Retributor Armour spray undercoat - but apparently GW is not allowed to ship that over here. Two guys on the left is a black undercoat, the one on the right a white undercoat, just to see which works best. Gold is from Army Painter, but I don't think it covers the model all that well (this is two, thinne down coats). But I read afterwards you need to shake it for a really long time.
But it's fun to get started at least. :)
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The AP golds are pretty shit, but so are the GW ones. Look for Vallejo, they should be able to sell you sprays too (no brexit issues).
Yeah, Vallejo are available here, but no gold spray though. Not that I'm going to paint a whole lot of Stormcast after this box, but it would be nice. But I've heard good things about their range. I'm gonna try drybrushing with some gold too. The flatter areas are where the paint won't really take as well and I wonder if drybrushing would make it stick better. :)
Honestly, I'm so fed up with the shittyness of various gold paints that I just use silver and yellow/orange inks at this point.
How does the result look like for that mix?
Picking up the Sororitas Combat Patrol box tomorrow, should give me plenty of variety to build a Kill Team.
I expect pics.
I will reiterate my grievance.
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 07, 2021, 07:42:44 PM
I will reiterate my grievance.
https://i.imgur.com/1biYOz1.png
Isn't that only a grievance because of where you live? It's a pretty sweet deal everywhere else.
Yes, my grievance is the arbitrary over-charging compared to other places GW exports to. Other, smaller companies don't feel the need to do it and still turn a profit selling here, GW just makes up their own exchange rates then forbids online retailers to sell outside their region.
They're gambling that the New Zealish can't quit cold turkey and will continue feeding the monkey.
I thought the breaking point would be when they started charging more than $10 per space marine, but I was clearly wrong.
New Grey Knights and Thousand Sons codex up for pre-order today. We're getting new Killteam box pre-orders next week.
New Emperor's Champion mini.
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Old one was better, for sure. This one's alright I guess.
They also teased a new Black Templars box coming soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQwjIKPj5SMWelp.
On one hand I get why they did teams the way they did, because it lets new players make new teams using single boxes instead of singling out individual minis from a bunch of boxes (this is good and new-player-friendly), but on the other hand it totally nukes my existing Necron kill team which kinda annoys me.
Will you not buy it anyway?
Oh I bought it, I've got two other kill teams I'll be able to field.
I do feel like a dumbass for ordering the Compendium for $50 when Battlescribe would have likely done the job for free. Whoops!
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It's okay Plague Marine, here's a plush nergling (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/20/these-nurgling-plushies-are-the-warhammer-collectible-you-never-knew-you-needed/) for you to hug.
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Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 14, 2021, 11:47:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQwjIKPj5SM
Welp.
On one hand I get why they did teams the way they did, because it lets new players make new teams using single boxes instead of singling out individual minis from a bunch of boxes (this is good and new-player-friendly), but on the other hand it totally nukes my existing Necron kill team which kinda annoys me.
But the old system let you build a team from a single box too, right?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 21, 2021, 05:07:18 AM
It's okay Plague Marine, here's a plush nergling (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/20/these-nurgling-plushies-are-the-warhammer-collectible-you-never-knew-you-needed/) for you to hug.
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/jWRoxegu6YP8pSDL.jpg)
I want it.
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 21, 2021, 11:00:20 AM
But the old system let you build a team from a single box too, right?
Let you but didn't force you to. Over all it seems like the right way to go, as long as they keep releasing more kits like the two in that box.
Ordered these today, gonna pick up some models next month.
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I'm relieved the classic Ork Boyz kit hasn't been retired yet, coz I need to fill out a couple of units.
Are they doing a new kit for regular Boyz anytime soon or was it just the Beast Snagga's that got new models?
There's a new (annoyingly mono-pose and with mixed weapons) Boyz kit, but it's only available in the Combat Patrol box at present, so I figure I have a little while to grab another 3 boxes of the current set.
If I end up with any of those new ones I'll have to do some converting to get a coherent unit out of them but with the slightly larger size and more upright posture, they would make good Skarboyz...
I didn't think you'd be away from the fold for long. :)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2021, 12:39:34 AM
I didn't think you'd be away from the fold for long. :)
Still limiting myself to deep discounters and 2nd hand. I can't stomach the retail prices here and my grievance around their fomo nonsense stands.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 07, 2021, 11:41:11 PMThere's a new (annoyingly mono-pose and with mixed weapons) Boyz kit, but it's only available in the Combat Patrol box at present, so I figure I have a little while to grab another 3 boxes of the current set.
If I end up with any of those new ones I'll have to do some converting to get a coherent unit out of them but with the slightly larger size and more upright posture, they would make good Skarboyz...
Ah, that's right, I remember watching a review of that. Seemed to be lacking in weapons options as well, I think you had to pick up five or more units to fully equip a full unit of 20 boyz with shootas.
Quote from: Shasvre on Oct 08, 2021, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 07, 2021, 11:41:11 PMThere's a new (annoyingly mono-pose and with mixed weapons) Boyz kit, but it's only available in the Combat Patrol box at present, so I figure I have a little while to grab another 3 boxes of the current set.
If I end up with any of those new ones I'll have to do some converting to get a coherent unit out of them but with the slightly larger size and more upright posture, they would make good Skarboyz...
Ah, that's right, I remember watching a review of that. Seemed to be lacking in weapons options as well, I think you had to pick up five or more units to fully equip a full unit of 20 boyz with shootas.
Yeah it's f**ked, the only options at all are head and weapon swaps for the unit leader and dedicated heavy. Thankfully I have spare parts for africa and I'm good with a knife/putty.
So, the new Black Templars look pretty dope.
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Pre-ordered the army box, couldn't resist that John Blanche cover.
The first one (the non Primaris, Blanche inspired one), actually has my interest.
So watch it be some kind of obnoxious exclusive.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 09:34:22 PMThe first one (the non Primaris, Blanche inspired one), actually has my interest.
So watch it be some kind of obnoxious exclusive.
No mention of it being exclusive.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/04/black-templars-reinforcements-are-on-the-way-with-these-amazingly-zealous-new-models/
And they've been releasing other Blanche minis as well as regular releases.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Sisters-of-Battle-Canoness-Veridyan
So, fingers crossed...
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 09:34:22 PM
The first one (the non Primaris, Blanche inspired one), actually has my interest.
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Actually Veridyan was exclusive, then they changed their minds when it sold out.
But it really does strike me as the sort of thing that they use as an exclusive sweetner for a big box or a pointlessly limited store opening/anniversary model.
I hope to be wrong because I'd legit consider making that Blanche art as a diorama.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 09:44:10 PMActually Veridyan was exclusive, then they changed their minds when it sold out.
Ah, didn't know that. Glad they changed their mind, that model is neat.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 09:44:10 PMBut it really does strike me as the sort of thing that they use as an exclusive sweetner for a big box or a pointlessly limited store opening/anniversary model.
It just seems to me that if there was a time and a place to put it in a exclusive/limited box, it would have been for the new army box that even has that guy on the rulebook cover. ;D
Yeah, but it doesn't rule out the "come to X store in a country you aren't in on X day, for your only chance to buy this cooler than usual model". See also, those Catachan officers. IIRC there were all of four (4) of the Predator inspired one available in my entire country.
Hoping for the best, because I want this model too. :laugh:
Yeah, I'm very interested but remaining cynical for now since "GW hates you and wants you to suffer" is usually the safe assumption down here.
And so it begins...
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Quote from: Sabres21768 on Oct 15, 2021, 09:54:33 PM
And so it begins...
https://i.postimg.cc/qMd6njWd/9-A5-C3-BF8-F10-B-402-D-B7-B8-D16717-D3-FB62.jpg
Is that the McFarlane action figure, customized?
You should buy some.
I have two - the stock version, and the grey unpainted one that I'm painting up and adding a custom unmasked head.
pics plz
Finished a unit of Dark Angels yesterday. No pics coz no phone.
Does this mean you're back?
Why no phone? ???
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 09, 2021, 02:06:10 AM
Does this mean you're back?
Why no phone? ???
Mine died a month or two back and life has never been better without it. I may not replace it at all.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 04, 2021, 03:15:25 AM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Oct 15, 2021, 09:54:33 PM
And so it begins...
https://i.postimg.cc/qMd6njWd/9-A5-C3-BF8-F10-B-402-D-B7-B8-D16717-D3-FB62.jpg
Is that the McFarlane action figure, customized?
Yes
"For the Emperor!"
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I need to stop. :-[
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Or you need more.
That goes double for you!
If I must :(
You should get this:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Necron-Trazyn-the-Infinite
Dedicate it to CB.
Already have one. Trazyn is my spirit animal.
Okay, then get this:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Szarekh-The-Silent-King-2020
And dedicate it to CB.
Haha
How's the backlog coming along?
Been chipping away at it, working on a festive holiday village right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITc2G0SZLTs
The trick is keep adding to it faster than you can chip away at it. Can you do that?
After a neo-nazi attended a Spanish tournament, wearing his regalia, and was not ejected for dubious reasons:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/ (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/)
Classic stuff:
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Just recently got the Warhammer 40k Fireteam board game, which is the first Warhammer anything I've ever delved into. Haven't read the rules yet, but I'm guessing this is like, a very stripped down version of the core game since it is designed to be played out of the box? There are a decent handful of minis in here that need to be constructed/painted.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 30, 2021, 12:24:01 AM
Just recently got the Warhammer 40k Fireteam board game, which is the first Warhammer anything I've ever delved into. Haven't read the rules yet, but I'm guessing this is like, a very stripped down version of the core game since it is designed to be played out of the box? There are a decent handful of minis in here that need to be constructed/painted.
Do you mean Kill Team? The older Kill Team from 2018 was kind of a stripped down version of 40k, in my experience the new Kill Team is that it's pretty different from vanilla 40k.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 30, 2021, 12:39:33 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 30, 2021, 12:24:01 AM
Just recently got the Warhammer 40k Fireteam board game, which is the first Warhammer anything I've ever delved into. Haven't read the rules yet, but I'm guessing this is like, a very stripped down version of the core game since it is designed to be played out of the box? There are a decent handful of minis in here that need to be constructed/painted.
Do you mean Kill Team? The older Kill Team from 2018 was kind of a stripped down version of 40k, in my experience the new Kill Team is that it's pretty different from vanilla 40k.
Nope, this is the box here:
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Fire Team is the 40k Equivalent of Sigmars Underworld/Shadespire game. Which is like a 5vs5 game. Killteam i think is more similar to Necromunda/Mordheim, but using the actual 40k factions
Yeah, to my knowledge it's a simple boardgame intended to get you into the models and a bit of the lore, but with no real relation to the main game mechanically.
Yup, after a quick google, it's a lite version of Kill Team, which is the much more detailed skirmish version of 40k where you pretend you're spending less but atcually spend just as much. Honestly it sounds like it's a pretty fun game.
Cool cool. Definitely feels like a solid intro point for the world/minis then, glad I have it.
Now you need to build a big backlog.
This is the way.
He should've worn THAT after being resurrected in Snyder Cut
Has GW lowered their prices lately?
They just raised them, actually (despite record profits for several years).
Did they lure you back in yet?
No. We'll see if they do anything interesting with the upcoming Tyranid release. They may sting me for a few boxes if they update the 21 year old basic troops, but why would GW ever do anything 'nid players would like?
Maybe they'll bring back beep-boop soulless Necrons too.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2022, 01:15:06 AM
Maybe they'll bring back beep-boop soulless Necrons too.
They technically never went away, they're a legal and fluff-appropriate way to run a Necron army if you want to, there are just other options now.
Maybe you should build one.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 24, 2022, 01:36:56 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2022, 01:15:06 AM
Maybe they'll bring back beep-boop soulless Necrons too.
They technically never went away, they're a legal and fluff-appropriate way to run a Necron army if you want to, there are just other options now.
Technically, you can still run a Space Marine army, except they're rare male Sisters of Battle in the new fluff and you have f**k around with the Imperial Guard list to run your old painted units.
But that sounds awful.
It does!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 24, 2022, 06:57:31 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 24, 2022, 01:36:56 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2022, 01:15:06 AM
Maybe they'll bring back beep-boop soulless Necrons too.
They technically never went away, they're a legal and fluff-appropriate way to run a Necron army if you want to, there are just other options now.
Technically, you can still run a Space Marine army, except they're rare male Sisters of Battle in the new fluff and you have f**k around with the Imperial Guard list to run your old painted units.
Yeah but that doesn't have anything to do with what I said.
Yes it does. In this hypothetical, all your old models are still completely playable, but the fluff is radically different and the playstyle has dramatically changed.
Just imagine what they'll do to the Tyranids next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAUAA8jkF4k
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 26, 2022, 12:41:32 AM
Yes it does. In this hypothetical, all your old models are still completely playable, but the fluff is radically different and the playstyle has dramatically changed.
"Beep boop soulless Necrons" can apply to any Necron models, old or modern, and likewise can apply to the fluff as well. If you want to play beep boop Necrons on the tabletop, that is absolutely a thing you can do and still have them be lore-accurate if that's your thing. Beep boop Necrons exist in the modern lore.
Except, now they're like that because they've got space Alzheimer's and have forgotten that the immortal star-gods they worship are actually shattered fragments that can be captured like Pokémon.
Not understanding why this might royally piss some people off, or pretending to not understand, is either astoundingly stupid or very disingenuous of you.
Not sure I follow, but then I never really knew much about the Necron lore. What's the problem?
It's a "David created the Alien" level retcon of the faction, except people who don't like it can't just write it off like they can with that.
According to Xenomrph, the answer is to say that "he really did create the Alien, and all the stuff set prior to that is crazy people who believe they're in the past, having encounters".
But Xenomrph HATES that David created the alien. ???
Yes, which is why he's being a tool by insisting other people can't be mad about similar things.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 26, 2022, 10:52:40 PM
Yes, which is why he's being a tool by insisting other people can't be mad about similar things.
I get why people are mad, I was one of them.
The difference is you're acting like there aren't beep boop Necrons at all anymore, or that you can't have beep boop Necrons. They do in fact actually exist and are a valid thing one can base their army on, there are just other options for people who want something else. Necrons being "mentally incomplete" or having space Alzheimer's has been a part of their lore since their first codex, with the knowledge that some Necrons had more mental faculties than others. Necrons with personalities showed up in books and video games prior to their 5th edition Codex. That trait just wasn't reflected on the tabletop until that codex brought it into the spotlight and introduced unique army characters with miniatures.
We already have a homogeneous unthinking bulwark army, they're called the Tyranids.
Just for clarity, is your only problem with the current Necron lore that the C'tan are pokemon? Because, like, I can get that complaint even if I don't agree with it. I will absolutely give that point to you that the change would piss people off. Like I said, it pissed me off at first too.
But you not understanding why people might like the option of adding some flavor to their army instead of being pigeon-holed into one archetype (especially when that one archetype is still available for use) is either astoundingly stupid or very disingenuous of you.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 30, 2021, 12:24:01 AMJust recently got the Warhammer 40k Fireteam board game, which is the first Warhammer anything I've ever delved into. Haven't read the rules yet, but I'm guessing this is like, a very stripped down version of the core game since it is designed to be played out of the box? There are a decent handful of minis in here that need to be constructed/painted.
W E L C O M E
;D
The miniatures included in the box can definitely be used in regular WH40K games and expanded into a full army. The rules however, I think are quite different. I saw an article saying the rules for Fireteam is a stripped down ruleset from Killteam, which i turn is a stripped down ruleset from WH40K. But probably a good place to start all the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVubdRyU3McYes yes I know a fan did it first a year ago (and technically Starcraft 2 did it 10 years ago, but Starcraft ripped off 40K so turnabout is fair play).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWnQedD4BlIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVtXac6if14But IMO the "official" version is the best one of the three. It better conveys the ritualism and ceremony that goes into armoring a Space Marine, how it's not just one guy getting suited up by a machine like Iron Man but it's a whole orchestra of servitors, techpriests, and serfs doing this whole big ordeal with incense and cherubs and chants and incantations and stuff.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 19, 2022, 07:51:09 AM
Yes yes I know a fan did it first a year ago (and technically Starcraft 2 did it 10 years ago, but Starcraft ripped off 40K so turnabout is fair play).
To be fair as both a StarCraft and 40k fan I have to admit there's a major difference in the style and feel of both universes, however I can't deny that SC went to absolute mediocrity after Brood War... I still play the original SC and have even read the first trilogy of novels that came out back then and they were oozing with atmosphere and attitude. The power armour looked bulky, rusty and dirty, the Zerg looked like actual alien parasites covered in slime and displaying very different often conflicting morphological traits, something very unlike the Tyranids of the time or anything since actually. Most hive mind devouring swarms look uniform and I guess "clean" to this day and that disappoints me. Even something like Starship Troopers (movie) which influenced both 40k and SC in major ways went for a more logical uniform look for the Bugs. The one franchise at the time that did something similar to SC's Zerg was ironically Roughnecks the SST animated show which had those freaky looking almost squishy and surreal designs for the Bugs to the point each individual caste looked like it belongs to an entirely different species... and they kind of do considering the Bugs of that show could assimilate DNA much like the Zerg or Tyranids.
What I'm going for is that saying SC ripped off 40k is technically right but a lot more complicated and layered. No one seems to mention how much 40k apparently "ripped off" Judge Dredd or even Heinlein's original SST novel. I mean people certainly see it but no one says it in the way they do for SC, simply because SC draws from the same sources as 40k and in a way applies the same strategy as GW, which is to mesh different themes into a whole and hope it works somehow, interestingly for 40k it works like a charm while SC lost whatever charm and uniqueness it had when it went full on comic book superhero fantasy nonsense...
Well yeah 40k ripped off a ton (and I mean a TON) of stuff, but it managed to give it its own flavor and "lore" over the decades to the point that it really is its own animal even if you can see the lineage of a lot of its ideas. Like I daresay the depth and breadth of lore, art, and backstory can give any other fictional setting a run for its money. Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek, you name it. There is just a mind-boggling amount of material about literally every faction in 40k that stretches as far as the eye can see.
Starcraft managed to become its own thing over time, but when it was in development it literally started as a 40k game (just as Warcraft was a Warhammer game) and then the licensing deal fell through, so it turned into a 40k game with the serial numbers filed off.
Like don't get me wrong, I played the absolute shit out of Starcraft and Brood War and read the same original trilogy of novels and enjoyed them thoroughly, and someday I'll get off my ass and actually play Starcraft II and probably have a good time with it, and I was gutted when Starcraft: Ghost got canned (and I still burn a candle for Nova and was thrilled when she got some time in the spotlight in Heroes of the Storm and got her own action figure and everything).
But Zerg are totally (inferior) Tyranids. :P
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2022, 01:40:21 AM
But Zerg are totally (inferior) Tyranids. :P
Visually and as a threat I adore the Nids a lot, more than any other swarmer race in fiction (behind the Arachnids but that's a personal thing) but the Zerg operate in a way that's pretty unique to the trope. They are more like cancer than a space locust swarm and there lies their nightmarish potential.
The Tyranids consume entire solar systems and eventually galaxies and leave them lifeless and stripped of any resources... but that's the thing, they're a galactic extinction wave that keeps moving forward, while any planet or system the Zerg take remains theirs forever, they literally consume and assimilate the very planet they infect.
Funnily enough the (movie) Arachnids from SST are the sweet middle ground in this case. They are both sweeping locusts and remain on the planets probably indefinitely (depending on the version and there's a lot, I believe the most overpowered is either the RPG/tabletop Bugs or the Roughnecks ones), they just work way too slow and are after all closer to realistic organisms than the insane powerhouse that are the Nids or the cancerous viral Zerg.
And yeah I was pissed when Ghost went nowhere... It had the right feel and aesthetic of the original game unlike the direction SC2 took. I'm not against SC2 at all but it feels a lot more like WarCraft in space then it did Aliens meets SST and gives birth to a malformed 40k long lost evil twin half-brother.
And yes I know SC1 was labeled as WC in space but hey, irony am I right?
Trazyn is my spirit animal.
Which one of you has the bigger collection?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2022, 12:14:42 AM
Which one of you has the bigger collection?
Trazyn, but I'm gaining.
Hell yeah he is.
@Xenomrph Tell me about Space Hulk: Tactics. Is it both cool
and good? It's on sale right now.
https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/space-hulk-tactics/bxztb63ntg3p?rtc=1
Haven't played it. Space Hulk: Deathwing Enhanced Edition, on the other hand, is a real good time. Necromunda Hired Gun (by the same studio) is also a hoot so far.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 04, 2022, 05:49:01 AMHaven't played it.
But are you going to buy it? Your backlog must grow and it's dirt cheap.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 04, 2022, 05:49:01 AMSpace Hulk: Deathwing Enhanced Edition, on the other hand, is a real good time. Necromunda Hired Gun (by the same studio) is also a hoot so far.
You didn't say it was cool though.
I just want to be a damn Space Marine so I can kill lots of xenos and heretics. Won't someone just give me that game? I don't want to be an Inquisitor or Tech Priest.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 04, 2022, 08:12:24 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on May 04, 2022, 05:49:01 AMHaven't played it.
But are you going to buy it? Your backlog must grow and it's dirt cheap.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 04, 2022, 05:49:01 AMSpace Hulk: Deathwing Enhanced Edition, on the other hand, is a real good time. Necromunda Hired Gun (by the same studio) is also a hoot so far.
You didn't say it was cool though.
I just want to be a damn Space Marine so I can kill lots of xenos and heretics. Won't someone just give me that game? I don't want to be an Inquisitor or Tech Priest.
Get Deathwing, it is cool AND good and you get to murder the shit out of hordes of Genestealer cultists and Genestealers.
The level design is fantastic, too.
But it's a PS4/PC exclusive. I only have Xbox.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 04, 2022, 02:19:29 PMBut it's a PS4/PC exclusive. I only have Xbox.
That's unfortunate.
It could happen in the future. For now I'm actually thinning out my collection, since there's only so much junk one can take with them, should one end up moving to the other side of the planet.
Have you ever done a scratch-build before? I imagine it'll become far more commonplace as 3D printing goes mainstream.
Yes, for terrain, vehicles and even sculpting some figures. No pics handy, unfortunately.
May 12, 2022, 02:27:14 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 12, 2022, 02:22:49 AMI imagine it'll become far more commonplace as 3D printing goes mainstream.
I think 3D printing is an interesting grey area, since while you can design your own STL and print it off to assemble, scratch building has always traditionally meant starting with an idea or design sketches and fabricating it by hand from basic materials. Whether or not those are the same thing is still being debated, I think.
@Xenomrph How is Chaos Gate Daemonhunters?
(https://i.imgur.com/ZRB7Vkw.jpeg)
Will you buy it on physical media?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2022, 01:24:51 AMWill you buy it on physical media?
I imagine it won't be available
@Xenomrph Any recent acquisitions?
Not 40K but I bought the new Warhammer Age of Sigmar Nighthaunt battletome because I like spooky ghosts, maybe I'll get mine painted up in time for Halloween this year.
I also built some stuff, nothing painted yet.
I also learned that if you run out of minis to paint, you instantly die. Scary!
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 10, 2022, 07:03:32 PMI also learned that if you run out of minis to paint, you instantly die. Scary!
Does that mean you'll live forever?
Possibly!
Entered a painting competition at my local game shop, my chosen miniature is one of these:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Adepta-Sororitas-Sister-Dogmata-2021
I would have expected it to be this:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Necron-Trazyn-the-Infinite
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2022, 04:40:58 AMI would have expected it to be this:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Necron-Trazyn-the-Infinite
I couldn't, I've already got and painted him.
Do you have this yet?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/NecronsTesseract-Vault
Not yet, but I do have an old school 3rd Edition retro Necron Monolith that I've been meaning to install LED lights inside.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2022, 04:37:49 AMEntered a painting competition at my local game shop, my chosen miniature is one of these:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Adepta-Sororitas-Sister-Dogmata-2021
@Xenomrph Why are you not collecting these?
https://joytoyfigure.com/collections/warhammer-40k/
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 28, 2022, 01:59:33 AM@Xenomrph Why are you not collecting these?
https://joytoyfigure.com/collections/warhammer-40k/
I'm not a big Space Marine guy.
I have a friend who has been buying up a bunch of Space Wolves ones though.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 30, 2022, 01:56:01 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 28, 2022, 01:59:33 AM@Xenomrph Why are you not collecting these?
https://joytoyfigure.com/collections/warhammer-40k/
I'm not a big Space Marine guy.
I have a friend who has been buying up a bunch of Space Wolves ones though.
Does that mean you'd get Necrons and Sororitas if they made them?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 30, 2022, 03:50:45 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Sep 30, 2022, 01:56:01 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 28, 2022, 01:59:33 AM@Xenomrph Why are you not collecting these?
https://joytoyfigure.com/collections/warhammer-40k/
I'm not a big Space Marine guy.
I have a friend who has been buying up a bunch of Space Wolves ones though.
Does that mean you'd get Necrons and Sororitas if they made them?
Very likely yes, or Mechanicus. I have the big 7" scale Necron Warrior and Sororitas Battle Sister from McFarlane, including an unpainted Battle Sister I'm painting up because I think I can do better than the stock paint job. I even grabbed an un-helmeted head off of Etsy, it's really nice.
God damnit, I bought the Death Guard codex and a box of Plague Marines, ostensibly to make a Death Guard kill team (which only takes 4 dudes) but also because I've already painted 2 Plague Marines and was hankering to paint some more.
God damnit, this is going to spiral into me buying a bunch of different Death Guard minis.
God damnit.
GW likes your money though. They would like to have even more of it. To that end...
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Typhus-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Daemon-Primarch-Mortarion-2020
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 02, 2022, 11:52:06 PMGW likes your money though. They would like to have even more of it. To that end...
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Typhus-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Daemon-Primarch-Mortarion-2020
Those are actually two minis I'm not interested in.
These, on the other hand...
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Deathshroud-Bodyguard-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Lord-of-Virulence-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Plagueburst-Crawler-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Blightlord-Terminators-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Plague-Marine-Reinforcements-2018
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Plague-Marine-Champion-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Foul-Blightspawn-2020
When are you going to buy them?
I'll paint up the ones I just bought and see if my interest increases or decreases.
I really like the two I'd already painted though, they're some of my favorite minis I've done.
Don't you need some Orks and Tyranids too?
Ehhh, not really interested in those.
You should buy all the warhammers.
If I must
Almost done painting my Death Guard kill team, got one more color to paint on 2 guys, and finish the bases on them and they're all done and I'll have a 10-man team with a bunch of options for fielding 6 at a time.
They even saw their first game a couple weeks ago, turns out they are notoriously hard to kill. I liked that a lot, considering I'm still new to the game; it gave me a good cushion so my f**k-ups weren't terminal, game-ending f**k-ups.
QuoteHenry Cavill to Star in and Executive Produce 'Warhammer 40,000' Franchise for Amazon
By Jordan Moreau, Adam B. Vary
After losing DC's Superman and Netflix's "The Witcher," Henry Cavill is plunging right back into the world of genre entertainment, attaching himself to an adaptation of the popular tabletop game "Warhammer 40,000."
Cavill will star in and executive produce the franchise for Amazon Prime Video, which acquired the global rights to the IP from Games Workshop. The agreement includes the "Warhammer 40,000" rights across film, TV and more, making it the first major acquisition of its kind for Amazon Studios. Games Workshop will continue making the popular mini-figures for the tabletop game.
"'Warhammer 40,000' is set in the far future, where humanity stands at the edge of what might be its brightest future, or its darkest age. The threats to humankind's empire are many — traitors driven by the fires of ambition, alien empires sworn to reclaim the stars, and the corruption of reality by malevolent gods," the release says.
"I have loved 'Warhammer' since I was a boy, making this moment truly special for me. The opportunity to shepherd this cinematic universe from its inception is quite the honor and the responsibility," Cavill said in a statement.
Vertigo Entertainment's Roy Lee and Natalie Viscuso worked with Cavill to obtain the "Warhammer 40,000" IP before taking it to Amazon Studios. Vertigo will executive produce with Cavill and Games Workshop's Andy Smillie and Max Bottrill alongside Amazon Studios.
"'Warhammer 40,000′ has captured the imagination of fans of all ages, from all walks of life, and all over the world," said Jennifer Salke, head of Amazon and MGM Studios. "We are excited to work with Henry, Vertigo Entertainment, and Games Workshop across our Amazon entertainment businesses on this brilliant, immersive franchise for our global customers to experience for years to come."
Source: Variety (https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/henry-cavill-warhammer-40000-amazon-1235463018/?fbclid=IwAR1M49ObMJsYVi20iSp-NpP8-1SOpAxHYeoPcTdRnw5vIjHyc1IRHXgg5Yg)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2022, 04:25:44 AMAlmost done painting my Death Guard kill team, got one more color to paint on 2 guys, and finish the bases on them and they're all done and I'll have a 10-man team with a bunch of options for fielding 6 at a time.
Did you finish yet?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2022, 06:57:09 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2022, 04:25:44 AMAlmost done painting my Death Guard kill team, got one more color to paint on 2 guys, and finish the bases on them and they're all done and I'll have a 10-man team with a bunch of options for fielding 6 at a time.
Did you finish yet?
Not yet, gonna finish this weekend.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2022, 07:34:20 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2022, 06:57:09 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2022, 04:25:44 AMAlmost done painting my Death Guard kill team, got one more color to paint on 2 guys, and finish the bases on them and they're all done and I'll have a 10-man team with a bunch of options for fielding 6 at a time.
Did you finish yet?
Not yet, gonna finish this weekend.
What about pics? Did you decorate your place for Sanguinala?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY2eOrxYxiI
I'll be posting pics to my Instagram, I actually already posted pics of the other 8 that are finished.
Time to buy some more yet?
AI can certainly make some pictures.
Saw it, it's a good video.
@Xenomrph , does your living room look like this yet?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E40N_nUWQAAIup5?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dtpe2LNXgAAyg0Q?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/ApocDisplay-Jul05-ImagesFull5yujs.jpg)
Far from it haha
Maybe it should.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 21, 2023, 05:16:22 PMFar from it haha
Did the missus put her foot down?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 22, 2023, 12:07:03 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jan 21, 2023, 05:16:22 PMFar from it haha
Did the missus put her foot down?
I feel like
@BlueMarsalis79 will let me do that but only if it's Helms Deep or an Alien hive, not 40k.
You could always build a Tyranid hive and try and pass that off as an Alien hive.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 22, 2023, 12:07:03 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jan 21, 2023, 05:16:22 PMFar from it haha
Did the missus put her foot down?
Nah, room is just devoted to other things. I even set up 7 new bookshelves and 2 new glass cases, and used some of it to put my NECA Predators back out on display.
What will you be placing on these new bookshelves?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 23, 2023, 01:34:00 AMWhat will you be placing on these new bookshelves?
At the moment, a lot of Transformers.
Don't you need some Ultramarines for your Death Guard to fight?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 22, 2023, 09:09:11 PMYou could always build a Tyranid hive and try and pass that off as an Alien hive.
@BlueMarsalis79 is one of the few people on the planet you couldn't sneak that one past.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 23, 2023, 04:34:48 AMDon't you need some Ultramarines for your Death Guard to fight?
That's what the Necrons are for
You should get this:
https://spikeybits.com/store/Sci-Fi-Ruler-Miniature-3dArtGuy-p372345593
New Space Marines are legit terrible.
New Lizardmen are gorgeous.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 27, 2023, 10:02:49 PMNew Space Marines are legit terrible.
What's wrong with them?
Silly guns, even by Primaris standards. Inb4 a certain someone accuses them of being fine.
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/7LufCF3XvouuxxyQ.jpg)
Lizards are sexy though.
(https://i.gyazo.com/1bdb0a5bdd7cc0a10cf5071d5f896eab.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/94755324676088b9d1f6893f6ba856a2.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/8f8a5c8e6d356bf65d3709cab55b2b47.png)
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/zXuk0Mt9EMr7QVId.jpg)
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Y8issy8HyNsunY3j.jpg)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 27, 2023, 10:34:49 PMSilly guns, even by Primaris standards. Inb4 a certain someone accuses them of being fine.
Or maybe "Now I gotta get me some Ultramarines!"
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2023, 12:29:11 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 27, 2023, 10:34:49 PMSilly guns, even by Primaris standards. Inb4 a certain someone accuses them of being fine.
Or maybe "Now I gotta get me some Ultramarines!"
You realize that's just the display scheme and you can paint marines as any chapter you like, right?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 28, 2023, 07:07:48 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2023, 12:29:11 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 27, 2023, 10:34:49 PMSilly guns, even by Primaris standards. Inb4 a certain someone accuses them of being fine.
Or maybe "Now I gotta get me some Ultramarines!"
You realize that's just the display scheme and you can paint marines as any chapter you like, right?
Of course, but why would you? No 40k collection is complete without some Defaultmarines. You made some yourself, didn't you?
When is Mr. Trouble going to start collecting and painting 40k miniatures?
When he acquires some patience and talent.
You can always pay someone else to assemble and paint them for you.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2023, 07:11:54 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 28, 2023, 07:07:48 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2023, 12:29:11 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 27, 2023, 10:34:49 PMSilly guns, even by Primaris standards. Inb4 a certain someone accuses them of being fine.
Or maybe "Now I gotta get me some Ultramarines!"
You realize that's just the display scheme and you can paint marines as any chapter you like, right?
Of course, but why would you? No 40k collection is complete without some Defaultmarines. You made some yourself, didn't you?
Yes, although I painted them in a 30 year old colour scheme and converted every single model so they're not truly default.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 28, 2023, 09:09:06 PMYou can always pay someone else to assemble and paint them for you.
He should pay me.
Can you make me an army of beep-boop Necrons?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 27, 2023, 10:34:49 PMSilly guns, even by Primaris standards. Inb4 a certain someone accuses them of being fine.
They're not just fine, they're a fantastic addition to the Space Marine range and I eagerly look forward to seeing you (and others) lovingly paint them to a Golden Demon standard post haste.
Are you gonna get some Defaultmarines now?
Quote from: [cancerblackQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 28, 2023, 09:09:06 PMYou can always pay someone else to assemble and paint them for you.
He should pay me.
Local's Warhammer 40 000 army would probably end up costing him $40 000 then.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2023, 05:25:00 AMAre you gonna get some Defaultmarines now?
Hell no, I don't care much for space marines
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 29, 2023, 09:05:47 AMLocal's Warhammer 40 000 army would probably end up costing him $40 000 then.
But it'd be supporting the AvPG community!
Spoiler
And probably funding a wedding.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 29, 2023, 10:22:45 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2023, 05:25:00 AMAre you gonna get some Defaultmarines now?
Hell no, I don't care much for space marines
>:(
Those new bookshelves aren't going to fill themselves!
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 20, 2023, 08:06:19 PM@Xenomrph , does your living room look like this yet?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E40N_nUWQAAIup5?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dtpe2LNXgAAyg0Q?format=jpg&name=large
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/ApocDisplay-Jul05-ImagesFull5yujs.jpg
Some more impressive dioramas from Warhammer World in Nottingham. The 40k stuff starts from 3:14 onwards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHltpohnw9whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5nRfiKp_hwNote to
@kwisatz ,
PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH!!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2023, 03:21:31 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jan 29, 2023, 10:22:45 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2023, 05:25:00 AMAre you gonna get some Defaultmarines now?
Hell no, I don't care much for space marines
>:(
Those new bookshelves aren't going to fill themselves!
Oh fear not, they are rapidly filling - I just finished setting up my NECA Predators.
The painted minis are going in the glass cases anyway.
Haven't really done much of 40K during 2022 except pick up a few boxes of Nurgle daemons and the new Chaos Daemons codex.
But saw this video the other week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQs79jcueAEThought the flayed skin would look perfect in a Creations of Bile army, mixed in with some other grotesque units. So went to store and picked up some stuff.
(https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/7b/cd/obf9NW7M_t.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/obf9NW7M)
Now the hardest step, to actually start painting.
@[cancerblack] @Xenomrphhttps://www.majorminis.com.au/products/xenonid-raptor-swarm-10-models
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 14, 2023, 03:13:00 AM@[cancerblack] @Xenomrph
https://www.majorminis.com.au/products/xenonid-raptor-swarm-10-models
Shit if I wanted to paint xenomorphs, I've still got the minis from the AvP board game from Prodos and my pewter Alien Queen from the Leading Edge game
Yeah. They don't work as Aliens, and there are much better Tyranid STLs.
Any good Warhammer 40k pc game?
The 2 Dawn of War games are great. The first one and its exp's are more of a traditional RTS, whereas the 2nd you have fewer, but stronger units. The first Space Marine game, and the 2nd is out soon. The new Chaos Gate - Daemonhunters is good as well, a kind of X-Com style there.
Darktide just came out, but that could still use some work.
Filthy Casual here. So far I've only played the
'Dark Crusade' &
'Soulstorm' expansions of the first
'Dawn of War'. I'm more of a defensive player, so I loved the Tau Empire. Yes, there was the Kroot subfaction in that civilization, pretty good for close encounters I musy say, but the XV88 Broadside Battlesuit was a dream come true for me. That being said, I only dared to play myself offensively with the Necrons. I mean Gosh, how hard to kill they are ;D Troops slowly advanced across the map, enduring enemy fire until they reached hand-to-hand combat. I heard there were some nice mods of the game, but I never tried them.
I didn't play
'Dawn of War ll', but I heard that it's more tactical,
more oriented to the micro than macromanagement, since it doesn't allow you to build a complete base. You must pass by skirmishers while controlling small armies. I read that it was more similar to the
'Company of Heroes' games series that were made by the same studio. Undoubtedly the novelties were the Tyranids.
Btw, I heard there's a game on the way. it's not 40k though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqhc3mK06r0
You can play defensively with Chaos in DoW 1 and the expansions too. Spawn maximum basic marine units and Defilers, prepare the prince and 'Thirster for summoning, then rush the enemy as a coup de grace.
I'm waiting for this to drop...
https://www.gog.com/en/game/warhammer_40000_dawn_of_war
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 16, 2023, 08:45:11 PMAny good Warhammer 40k pc game?
It really depends on what genre you're looking for, because 40k games are all over the map in terms of genre.
If you're looking for co-op FPS, Darktide and Deathwing are great. If you're looking for tactical turn-based combat, Mechanicus is great. If you're looking for a Diablo-style dungeon crawler, Inquisitor: Martyr is great. If you're looking for silly side-scrolling cartoony co-op fun, Shootas Blood & Teef is great. If you're looking for real time strategy, Dawn of War 1 and 2 are great. If you're looking for naval combat, Battlefleet Gothic II is great. If you're looking for "Doom Eternal, but 40k", Necromunda: Hired Gun is great. If you're looking for third-person action, Space Marine is great.
@Xenomrph Any new acquisitions since the last time I asked?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2023, 01:24:53 AM@Xenomrph Any new acquisitions since the last time I asked?
That's a negative.
Well I did preorder some of the Necron and Sororitas action figures from Joytoy, they look awesome.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 19, 2023, 11:23:28 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Feb 16, 2023, 08:45:11 PMAny good Warhammer 40k pc game?
It really depends on what genre you're looking for, because 40k games are all over the map in terms of genre.
If you're looking for co-op FPS, Darktide and Deathwing are great. If you're looking for tactical turn-based combat, Mechanicus is great. If you're looking for a Diablo-style dungeon crawler, Inquisitor: Martyr is great. If you're looking for silly side-scrolling cartoony co-op fun, Shootas Blood & Teef is great. If you're looking for real time strategy, Dawn of War 1 and 2 are great. If you're looking for naval combat, Battlefleet Gothic II is great. If you're looking for "Doom Eternal, but 40k", Necromunda: Hired Gun is great. If you're looking for third-person action, Space Marine is great.
Thanks, it's a lot to take. I'm RPG guy who prefers turn based combat so it seems like this Mechanicus might be a good choice as I cannot see any RPG on your list :) I don't consider diablo style games (Inquisitor: martyr) as RPG. It's just hack and slash ... but I might give it a go if it's good enough. Is it?
Dawn of war looks interesting as well.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 20, 2023, 01:51:20 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2023, 01:24:53 AM@Xenomrph Any new acquisitions since the last time I asked?
That's a negative.
Well I did preorder some of the Necron and Sororitas action figures from Joytoy, they look awesome.
Do you actually go to your local Games Workshop or do you mail order everything?
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2023, 02:18:23 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Feb 19, 2023, 11:23:28 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Feb 16, 2023, 08:45:11 PMAny good Warhammer 40k pc game?
It really depends on what genre you're looking for, because 40k games are all over the map in terms of genre.
If you're looking for co-op FPS, Darktide and Deathwing are great. If you're looking for tactical turn-based combat, Mechanicus is great. If you're looking for a Diablo-style dungeon crawler, Inquisitor: Martyr is great. If you're looking for silly side-scrolling cartoony co-op fun, Shootas Blood & Teef is great. If you're looking for real time strategy, Dawn of War 1 and 2 are great. If you're looking for naval combat, Battlefleet Gothic II is great. If you're looking for "Doom Eternal, but 40k", Necromunda: Hired Gun is great. If you're looking for third-person action, Space Marine is great.
Thanks, it's a lot to take. I'm RPG guy who prefers turn based combat so it seems like this Mechanicus might be a good choice as I cannot see any RPG on your list :) I don't consider diablo style games (Inquisitor: martyr) as RPG. It's just hack and slash ... but I might give it a go if it's good enough. Is it?
Dawn of war looks interesting as well.
If you like Diablo, Inquisitor: Martyr is basically Diablo: Warhammer 40k Edition.
Mechanicus is basically X-Com: Warhammer 40k Edition.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2023, 03:23:48 AMQuote from: Xenomrph on Feb 20, 2023, 01:51:20 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2023, 01:24:53 AM@Xenomrph Any new acquisitions since the last time I asked?
That's a negative.
Well I did preorder some of the Necron and Sororitas action figures from Joytoy, they look awesome.
Do you actually go to your local Games Workshop or do you mail order everything?
I've got a friend who runs a local shop, I buy stuff from his shop or I order stuff online. If it's actual GW product, I buy from his shop because I want to support his shop. For the Joytoy figures, it was cheaper to import them, actually.
Must be big if its 1h long
Ain't nobody got time for that. Although to be perfectly fair, if I were to write a list of what's wrong with 40k it'd be the size of a phone book so maybe it's justified.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 08, 2023, 08:43:58 PMAin't nobody got time for that. Although to be perfectly fair, if I were to write a list of what's wrong with 40k it'd be the size of a phone book so maybe it's justified.
Which problems are the biggest?
IGOUGO, still using RPG stats in what's become a very large scale game, giving things huge numbers of wounds because you made guns that can do huge amounts of damage, rather than literally any other solution with less book-keeping, speaking of books, the rules for most factions being spread across multiple $80 books, and the convoluted mess of "gotcha" stratagems etc that few players can reasonably remember or plan for due to sheer volume, leading to a lot of "feelsbad" moments rather than the fun twists I think they were supposed to be.
I'd say those are the biggest.
:o
Okay, I didn't know any of that.
They need Andy Chambers back, he actually knows what he's doing.
Would he fix the Necrons?
The rules and lore are separate issues, and I'd take a game I want to play that contains a f**ked version of a faction I used to like, over a game I don't want to play containing the same thing.
Do you have a separate list of the lore's problems?
The Necron stuff is the only thing that genuinely pisses me off, the rest I'm quite happy to take or leave.
Although we'll see if they proceed to f**k up the Tyranids too, since they're supposed to be the badguy poster child faction for the next few years according to the rumour mill, and have been slowly getting closer to a Kerrigan moment for about 12 years already.
Can't have a compelling villain without a lot of personality, amirite?
I really want a Tyranid range refresh (especially Hormagaunts and Termagants), but as always with GW, it's as often a monkey paw wish as not.
Like, even if they make new models, they might get something silly akin to those new Primaris guns?
There's lot's of space to do silly stuff with the models, sure, but it's more the Kerrigan thing I'm worried about. Updated models are likely safer than entirely new ones, too, so if there's some nice basic troops I'll likely get a bunch to compliment my older stuff, but things like adding a Supreme Commander and Superheavy unit in plastic, or some more clamshell/small box plastic heroes has the potential to be either very cool or totally shit the bed, from both a design and lore perspective.
I'm well stocked with Warriors and Hive Tyrants, and a few auxiliary units though. I'd just love new basic troops, Carnifexes and stuff like plastic Lictors - although depending on aesthetics, I'd as soon buy older metal versions of the latter two on FB sales groups.
Free on Epic this week...
https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/warhammer-40000-gladius-relics-of-war
Hey my post about Dante got deleted.
How do you feel about his upgrade?
Meh. It's faithful and pretty well done but I've never been huge fan of the design either way. It lends credence to a bunch of other rumours though.
Spoil me.
New Tyranids, new primaris sized Terminators, The Lion returns.
Will those new Tyranids get your money?
Only if the Gaunts are much smaller and spikier than the current trash ones, or there's a new Lictor or Carnifex kit that lives up to my expectations.
The Lion looks cool.
New Lizardmen knocked it outta the park.
10th Edition rumours all appear to be true. New Termagants look fantastic, and imply good things about the rest of the (confirmed) range update.
I can dig it.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 23, 2023, 03:14:43 AMThe Lion looks cool.
New Lizardmen knocked it outta the park.
10th Edition rumours all appear to be true. New Termagants look fantastic, and imply good things about the rest of the (confirmed) range update.
Did it work? Did GW pull you back in?
I'll have to see the rest of the models, and have a good look at the 10e rules, but they're doing a better job at it than they were a day ago.
Very tempted to get a Chaos Knight Abominus to pair with my Imperial Knight as part of her backstory/"lore".
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2023, 03:12:29 AMI'm waiting for this to drop...
https://www.gog.com/en/game/warhammer_40000_dawn_of_war
It's here and it's discounted 75% right now.
Whole lotta bangers on deep discount on Steam (and even deeper discount on Fanatical). I already own pretty much everything I would have wanted but I'm shilling pretty hard to my friends right now lol
Shootas Blood and Teef
Inquisitor Martyr
Hired Gun
Space Hulk Deathwing
Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2
Dawn of War 1 & 2
Mechanicus
Gladius is straight-up free.
How is Battlefleet Gothic Armada?
First one, not great. Second one, great.
Quote from: Master Chief on May 26, 2023, 01:58:01 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 25, 2023, 05:42:15 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nfe-Z7YmEA
This game looks fun! Any word on a release date?
Not so far. I'm fine with that though. It may be one of my rare day-one purchases and I don't want it to be a buggy mess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iej4lTVI_TgSpeed Freeks free alpha is live on Steam.
Also, GOG.com has Epic 40k: Final Liberation for free (no idea if it's any good, but hey it's free)
Also Humble Choice has Chaos Gate: Daemonhunters for $12 through the end of the month.
40k videogamers be eatin' good right now.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 26, 2023, 03:45:42 PM40k videogamers be eatin' good right now.
Did you buy everything you didn't already own yet?
lol, Fire Warrior is $0.89 on GOG.
And when you're done, read the book (https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/fire-warrior-ebook.html) that's orders of magnitude better than the game!
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 26, 2023, 04:02:23 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on May 26, 2023, 03:45:42 PM40k videogamers be eatin' good right now.
Did you buy everything you didn't already own yet?
I got Chaos Gate and some Gladius and Inquisitor Martyr DLC, and Battle Sister.
Edit-- the GOG bundle includes a promo code for a discounted month of Warhammer+ (code GOGSKULLS).
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 26, 2023, 04:09:27 PMI got Chaos Gate and some Gladius and Inquisitor Martyr DLC, and Battle Sister.
Excellent. The backlog must grow.
I'm starting a re-read of the Eisenhorn trilogy, followed by the Ravenor trilogy, so I can get into the Bequin books I just bought for my kindle using some Amazon digital credit.
I am excited.
Test piece for recreating my old Iron Knights army with newer stuff, since I got a boatload of Primaris marines in a trade:
(https://i.imgur.com/jpFk1kt.jpg)
Also ended up with a bunch of newcrons:
(https://i.imgur.com/lxfvPm0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2ZqD6FD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1ZZRShA.jpg)
And I can finally take clearer pics of my Night Goblins for 6e WHFB:
(https://i.imgur.com/wlDZQW5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/V0Eyj3V.jpg)
Those look awesome.
Also newcron heads look awful, I've done headswaps on pretty much all of mine to use old-school (5e or earlier) Necron heads.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 11, 2023, 05:09:07 PMThose look awesome.
Also newcron heads look awful, I've done headswaps on pretty much all of mine to use old-school (5e or earlier) Necron heads.
Newcrons are kind of shit in general, but free is free.
Played my Thousand Sons in a Boarding Actions game today, and they absolutely cooked everyone. Having not had any psychic phase shenanigans with my other two forces. This was beautiful.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 11, 2023, 08:10:08 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jun 11, 2023, 05:09:07 PMThose look awesome.
Also newcron heads look awful, I've done headswaps on pretty much all of mine to use old-school (5e or earlier) Necron heads.
Newcrons are kind of shit in general, but free is free.
I like some of them, the new Crypteks are cool, the Royal Warden is cool*, the new Overlord is cool*, the Skorpekh Lord is cool*, the Ophydian Destroyers are cool*.
*after doing headswaps on them
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 12, 2023, 03:28:48 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 11, 2023, 08:10:08 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jun 11, 2023, 05:09:07 PMThose look awesome.
Also newcron heads look awful, I've done headswaps on pretty much all of mine to use old-school (5e or earlier) Necron heads.
Newcrons are kind of shit in general, but free is free.
I like some of them, the new Crypteks are cool, the Royal Warden is cool*, the new Overlord is cool*, the Skorpekh Lord is cool*, the Ophydian Destroyers are cool*.
*after doing headswaps on them
I'm just leaving them as-is, it's actually the whole chipped/damaged thing I dislike, given that they're supposed to be living metal. I'm aware of the post-hoc reasoning but it still grinds my gears.
I do like the new mindflayer style Deathleaper though:
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yeah I'm not thrilled with the "chipped and battle-damaged" details with the Newcrons, I think it takes the agency away from the player/painter by forcing them to deal with "damaged" Necrons. If you want to make pristine-looking Necrons, welp, too bad, you lose.
I can work with it because my Necrons are meant to be rusted and corroded, but I really, really dislike the new Necron Warriors and I'm glad I've already got like 40+ of the old 3e ones with the translucent green rods.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2023, 12:26:27 AMI'll have to see the rest of the models, and have a good look at the 10e rules, but they're doing a better job at it than they were a day ago.
How about now?
10th edition looks like an improvement over 9th, but still dogshit.
I'll acquire any new Tyranids I can get both in as-new condition and for half price or less. Which does limit things.
Funnily enough, I'm buying the Tyranid half of the Leviathan box from a local guy, I think they could be fun to paint with contrast paints.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 13, 2023, 03:47:11 PMFunnily enough, I'm buying the Tyranid half of the Leviathan box from a local guy, I think they could be fun to paint with contrast paints.
I got a deal on the same that's very "good" for NZ pricing. I'm eager to see what the rest of the codex releases are. Hormagaunts seem like a given, and I'd like to want to get a bunch of Hormies. There's a strong case in various rumour discussions made for a new Hive Tyrant, which if correct I'm probably going to like based on artwork.
New Lictors, 'Stealers and Bio/Pyrovores also seem like a given, although I'm less fussed there unless they hit me in the memberberries. High likelihood of a new big gribbly too, although just how big it is will dictate my interest because I prefer my miniatures to be... miniature.
Personally hoping for new Warriors because as much as I've enjoyed the 2001-present design, the updated aesthetic is infinitely superior and I love the new flying Prime.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 13, 2023, 07:58:54 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jun 13, 2023, 03:47:11 PMFunnily enough, I'm buying the Tyranid half of the Leviathan box from a local guy, I think they could be fun to paint with contrast paints.
I got a deal on the same that's very "good" for NZ pricing. I'm eager to see what the rest of the codex releases are. Hormagaunts seem like a given, and I'd like to want to get a bunch of Hormies. There's a strong case in various rumour discussions made for a new Hive Tyrant, which if correct I'm probably going to like based on artwork.
New Lictors, 'Stealers and Bio/Pyrovores also seem like a given, although I'm less fussed there unless they hit me in the memberberries. High likelihood of a new big gribbly too, although just how big it is will dictate my interest because I prefer my miniatures to be... miniature.
Personally hoping for new Warriors because as much as I've enjoyed the 2001-present design, the updated aesthetic is infinitely superior and I love the new flying Prime.
I was thinking of doing "xenomorph" Tyranids, but I'm almost thinking of doing light blue bodies with some sort of green chitin.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 13, 2023, 08:59:16 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 13, 2023, 07:58:54 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jun 13, 2023, 03:47:11 PMFunnily enough, I'm buying the Tyranid half of the Leviathan box from a local guy, I think they could be fun to paint with contrast paints.
I got a deal on the same that's very "good" for NZ pricing. I'm eager to see what the rest of the codex releases are. Hormagaunts seem like a given, and I'd like to want to get a bunch of Hormies. There's a strong case in various rumour discussions made for a new Hive Tyrant, which if correct I'm probably going to like based on artwork.
New Lictors, 'Stealers and Bio/Pyrovores also seem like a given, although I'm less fussed there unless they hit me in the memberberries. High likelihood of a new big gribbly too, although just how big it is will dictate my interest because I prefer my miniatures to be... miniature.
Personally hoping for new Warriors because as much as I've enjoyed the 2001-present design, the updated aesthetic is infinitely superior and I love the new flying Prime.
I was thinking of doing "xenomorph" Tyranids, but I'm almost thinking of doing light blue bodies with some sort of green chitin.
Just get actual Alien models if you want to go that route tbh. Light blue bodies with a bright ish sap green would look great with contrast paints, especially with a bit of pink on tubes etc.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 13, 2023, 09:02:01 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jun 13, 2023, 08:59:16 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 13, 2023, 07:58:54 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jun 13, 2023, 03:47:11 PMFunnily enough, I'm buying the Tyranid half of the Leviathan box from a local guy, I think they could be fun to paint with contrast paints.
I got a deal on the same that's very "good" for NZ pricing. I'm eager to see what the rest of the codex releases are. Hormagaunts seem like a given, and I'd like to want to get a bunch of Hormies. There's a strong case in various rumour discussions made for a new Hive Tyrant, which if correct I'm probably going to like based on artwork.
New Lictors, 'Stealers and Bio/Pyrovores also seem like a given, although I'm less fussed there unless they hit me in the memberberries. High likelihood of a new big gribbly too, although just how big it is will dictate my interest because I prefer my miniatures to be... miniature.
Personally hoping for new Warriors because as much as I've enjoyed the 2001-present design, the updated aesthetic is infinitely superior and I love the new flying Prime.
I was thinking of doing "xenomorph" Tyranids, but I'm almost thinking of doing light blue bodies with some sort of green chitin.
Just get actual Alien models if you want to go that route tbh. Light blue bodies with a bright ish sap green would look great with contrast paints, especially with a bit of pink on tubes etc.
You're right (and I have a bunch of Prodos minis kicking around somewhere), but Duncan does make it look pretty good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIRkq4eLjmEDrinking game: Every time he makes a franchise reference, take a shot.
Well the indexes are about as busted as I expected. At least as digital objects they might get fixed sooner rather than later.
Had to hold off on the Leviathan stuff due to the car failing a warrant, but the dude held onto them for me and they'll arrive next week.
Yeah I'm getting the 'Nids from the Leviathan box this weekend, as well.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 29, 2023, 11:07:33 AMYeah I'm getting the 'Nids from the Leviathan box this weekend, as well.
Protip for GW starter set/EZB models, slice the end off the pegs on the models to an angle, or remove them entirely, and they go together much smoother with glue.
I picked up some contrast paints and a free termagant from the local GW store to experiment on.
On the one hand, I love Epic scale armies. On the other hand, I find HH really boring coz there's no xenos.
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Oi! [cancerblack]!
Listen 'ere ya git! Da Great Gork (or iz it Mork?) tells me ya ain't 'aving a propa Orky time. Wot's all dis about, eh?
You should be chuggin' down dat grog like a Speed Freek on a Loota run! Da best grog's got da kick of a Deff Dread, and ain't nuffin' in da galaxy dat gets ya feelin' more ready for a WAAAGH!!
And where's ya choppa? No, not da big 'un ya swing around, da small 'un ya use fer paintin' ya boyz. Dem Warhammer 40k minis ain't gonna paint demselves! A true Warboss knows da importants of a good lookin' mob, ya hear? So get da paint, slap it on dem minis, and make 'em look as Orky as possible!
And don't ferget da smoke squigs! Wot kind of Mekboy ya think ya are if ya ain't puffin' on a good smoke squig while ya work? Gets da creative juice flowin', it does. Just make sure ya don't mix up ya paint brush and ya smoke squig, heh.
So get to it, [cancerblack]! Grog, minis, and smoke squigs. That's da propa Orky way! WAAAGH!!
From,
Da Biggest and Da Baddest Ork in Da Galaxy
Cor blimey, wot's dis then? ChatGPT ben hangin' roun' da East End with 'em footy firms, yeah?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 12, 2023, 09:39:36 AMCor blimey, wot's dis then? ChatGPT ben hangin' roun' da East End with 'em footy firms, yeah?
Not sure if you're familiar with Orks, but that's canonically how they talk.
I'm aware. I assume the makers of the game/writers of the books got the idea from the trolls in Tolkien's, The Hobbit?
Probably more from the football hooligans that would trash the town once a week.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 20, 2023, 08:28:06 PMProbably more from the football hooligans that would trash the town once a week.
Yeah I think it's this.
нет
What was that,
@[cancerblack] ?
Overall unhappy with the Tyranid update. The new stuff has excellent detailing and design choices for the most part, but they've left several very important models (Hive Tyrant, Warriors and Carnifexes) with a 20 year old level of detailing and aesthetic. Those models are iconic parts of most swarms, and now (by comparison) look worse than even the most basic troopers, while leaving them at home both starts locking you into certain army builds, and just feels wrong. Additionally, the Winged Prime model is included in every starter or collectors' set released this edition, but as well as looking twenty years better than the unit it's intended to lead, there's no Winged version of that unit in model or in rules at all. It puts the army in a weird, half-finished space.
Then there's the prices. I know it's GW, but $10 per model for a unit type you might have 30-90 of in an army is just insulting, even by their standards. Additionally, the new "big" monster isn't any bigger than the previous larger monsters, but is priced on par with an Imperial Knight, which is nearly twice as big as the new bug (The Norn is about 10cm tall, not counting the scenic base, while a Knight is 10 inches tall).
Overall, this could have been one of the most impressive range updates ever put out by GW, but ignoring some of the most crucial models for the best loved unit types, and releasing four flavours of Lictor and a Bigger Batman of the Tyrant instead, coupled with a suspect pricing model on the basic infantry for a horde army, ends up making it one of the most irritating instead - we can see what GW is currently capable of doing with the Tyranid design space, but it's basically impossible to build a functional "typical" Tyranid army using only the newer, much better models.
In the end, it doesn't feel worth the effort or expense.
Too bad it's shitty Forgeworld resin and has no rules in the main game the character is featured in.
Does this mean you won't be getting any of the new minis? I thought they had successfully dragged you back.
They've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in that regard.
I am disappoint. I was looking forward to pics of some hungry new Tyranids converging on one of your pies.
Petition GW to fix Tyranid Warriors and you might get your wish.
Luetin seems to be channeling CB in this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlNxtzfWqzY
I don't have the spoons to listen to someone waffling on "authoritatively" for half an hour, but if he's saying the 5th edition retcon to their lore was shit, then he's right.
I think his point is that changing them from beep-boop soulless killbots who serve the C'tan to what they are now has given them agency over their own destiny, and therefore an ultimate goal that they're working toward. He argues that this endgame of theirs makes no sense.
That part of the video starts at 19:06 if you don't want to listen to the whole thing.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 16, 2023, 10:30:23 PMI don't have the spoons to listen to someone waffling on "authoritatively" for half an hour, but if he's saying the 5th edition retcon to their lore was shit, then he's right.
Luetin doesn't do the authoritatively thing, the opposite, frequently says how many contradicting sources there are, discuses at length a lot about the lore. Portrays what's possible, what's known (very little), what's speculation, what're rumors etc. He's the most respected lore dude on youtube for Warhammer 40K cause of his nuanced and informative approach I believe.
What I meant is that I've been in the hobby for 25 years and:
- Know the lore pretty damn intimately from the start to the period I consider the high point.
- Don't really care to learn much about anything later than that.
- Disike youtube monologues at the best of times.
So any lore video regardless of quality is a mixture of shit I already know and shit I don't care about, all in a format I don't enjoy. And I don't need an expert because, well, I am an expert. I can also go and look in my extensive library of physical copies of books for specific tidbits if I really need to.
I'm just not the target audience here.
I received the book "Horus Rising" as a gift from a friend for my birthday.
Is it a good starting point into the lore?
It's an excellent starting point for The Horus Heresy, which is set before 40k. Being such a sprawling setting in both time and space, you may as well start with that.
Surprisingly I never got into it even though my brother and Dad did and still are. I remember when the PC game first came out and my brother wanted me to play against him. I really had no interest in it but went with just because and was slaughtering my brother.
Poor guy.
They're both still avid players. My Dad has an entire room just for Warhammer 40k and has dozens of pieces that he made himself. My brother has specifically modified cases to carry all his models and equipment in.
There's a new store in the city 100 miles from where I live that does the board game and as usual, if you make your own characters you play for free. So I'm taking my Dad up there once he comes back from Thailand.
I want to point out that I don't think Warhammer 40k is stupid or nerdy. I've just personally never had an interest in it. Ironically, with me having no interest in the game, I'm still publishing one of my books where the main character's spot he hangs out in with his brother and his friends is a Warhammer 40k gaming store.
I'm just weird I guess.
I haven't played Warhammer 40k in so long that I don't even remember how to play 🤣 (I was using rogue trader blood angels when I played last - they'd just started the 'new' 40k rulebook, and I was in the process of building a tyranid army - they didn't even have a codex for tyranids then (did they ever get one?) ...I imagine there's probably been 90 new versions of the game since then... whilst I doubt I have the patience or time to paint an army these days (or money, judging by the comments) I've been curious about Space Hulk on the PS5 😊
Original Warhammer 40K Rulebook Returns to Print for Limited Time (https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/original-warhammer-40k-rulebook-returns-to-print-for-limited-time/).
Here is the excerpt from the post on the Warhammer-community website in regards to the upcoming Warhammer Day.
QuoteWarhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader (Book) – Print on Demand
Thought we were done? Well have we got a treat for you...
Take a trip down memory lane, and get a fascinating glimpse into the rich history of the game with this faithful reprint of the original edition of Warhammer 40,000, first released in 1987.
Previously only available to purchase at Warhammer World, this 288-page Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader book will be available on a Print on Demand basis until 8am BST on Monday the 23rd of October 2023 and will ship within 180 days of the ordering window closing. Make sure to secure this must-have collectors item while you can!
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Source: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/08/sunday-preview-new-releases-abound-from-the-age-of-darkness/
Poor timing for me, because I don't know exactly where I'll be in 200 days other than "not where I am currently", and I really want that book. Guess I'll have to just keep "go to WHW and get a hard copy of RT" on my to do list for the northern hemisphere.
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Warhammer 40K Gives Big Update on Amazon Studios Live-Action Project (https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/warhammer-40k-amazon-studios-live-action-project-update/)
I got an itch to paint more Death Guard so I bought a box of these fine upstanding gentlemen:
https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Death-Guard-Blightlord-Terminators-2020?slug=shop&slug=Death-Guard-Blightlord-Terminators-2020
Some Tyranids look tasty🤤👉👈
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Need a snack, see ya later 🙏🙈
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Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 31, 2024, 02:03:11 AMI got an itch to paint more Death Guard so I bought a box of these fine upstanding gentlemen:
https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Death-Guard-Blightlord-Terminators-2020?slug=shop&slug=Death-Guard-Blightlord-Terminators-2020
When are you going to get some Titans?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2024, 06:23:08 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jan 31, 2024, 02:03:11 AMI got an itch to paint more Death Guard so I bought a box of these fine upstanding gentlemen:
https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Death-Guard-Blightlord-Terminators-2020?slug=shop&slug=Death-Guard-Blightlord-Terminators-2020
When are you going to get some Titans?
not likely, although I do have a Chaos Knight to build and paint. I'm going to pair it with my other Imperial Knight.
Is that some kind of steelbook
I... what?
https://twitter.com/HellraisingG/status/1754868670398869848
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Do not lewd the Hive Tyrant. I've seen how it ends.
Gotta generate awareness for his show.
Shit's really hitting the fan.
https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1779544596172689822
I honestly don't care about female Custodes. If anything bothers me, it's the "it has always been thus" shit. Just admit it's a retcon.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2024, 04:56:50 PMShit's really hitting the fan.
https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1779544596172689822
I honestly don't care about female Custodes. If anything bothers me, it's the "it has always been thus" shit. Just admit it's a retcon.
Thats just GW's answer to most of their lore changes.
Now I get why CB hates what they did to the necrons.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2024, 06:18:15 PMNow I get why CB hates what they did to the necrons.
Vindication!
I wonder if this was a prerequisite to getting the TV show made. The Custodes are Henry Cavill's chosen faction, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was told that he had to make some of them women if he wanted to feature them at all.
As a compromise, he may have said that the fans will roast him alive if they're introduced in his show, so GW will have to do it in the game first.
There's a lot of speculation that there'll be a central female Custodes character in the show with this. I'm 200% fine with that if so, because it's not an Astartes which would actually be irritating.
That's why it doesn't bother me, just the "we've always been at war with Eastasia" tactic that GW is using.
All right for real, is there any source that says that all crusade are all males or did we just assume they are?
https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/1779891379822612870
This is why I stuck with Tyranids.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 22, 2024, 06:29:11 AMThis is why I stuck with Tyranids.
Appropriate.
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Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 22, 2024, 04:26:08 AMAll right for real, is there any source that says that all crusade are all males or did we just assume they are?
It goes from being implied but not directly stated they're a male order, to being totally ambiguous, to being arguably all male (with wiggle room because of how English works), to now definitely having female members, over the space of several editions.
It has never been
explicitly stated at any point they are single sex, for either biological reasons like Astartes or cultural ones like the Sororitas.
Anyone who is genuinely mad about it or wants you to be is a cuck of the highest order.
If there were always female Custodes, there should be a damn good reason why we've never seen or heard of any examples until now. Like a really lop-sized ratio or something. Make it make sense. That's all I ask.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2024, 09:03:58 PMIf there were always female Custodes, there should be a damn good reason why we've never seen or heard of any examples until now. Like a really lop-sized ratio or something. Make it make sense. That's all I ask.
At worst, it's a (pretty soft) retcon that barely changes a faction that shouldn't even be an in-game faction outside of 30k in the first place. My question, with no hint of trolling, is "why do you even give a shit?".
The Custodes have become a lot more active since Guilliman returned. Some are with him and others are going around to the various chapters to set them up with Primaris reinforcements.
That change to their fluff annoys me a lot more than there being stinky girls allowed in.
You just prefer old-school beep-boop Custodes.
And at least their recent activities are acknowledged as a new thing, rather than an "always have been" thing.
I prefer a sandbox setting with a lot of legends and ambiguity to an ongoing narrative full of superheroes.
That's why I hope Cavill doesn't play some fancy posthuman in his show. I think he should be a Rogue Trader, commanding a ship with an eclectic crew, banging hot Drukhari chicks and basically playing tour guide to the universe. He should be constantly bending the rules and verging on heresy.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 22, 2024, 09:00:43 PMAnyone who is genuinely mad about it or wants you to be is a cuck of the highest order.
Local Trouble is a cuck, do we have consensus?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2024, 09:20:05 PMThat's why I hope Cavill doesn't play some fancy posthuman in his show. I think he should be a Rogue Trader, commanding a ship with an eclectic crew, banging hot Drukhari chicks and basically playing tour guide to the universe. He should be constantly bending the rules and verging on heresy.
I still think he'd be a great Ciaphas, with some muttonchops.
Wait, that cuck thing was directed at me? I just said I want it to make sense.
https://twitter.com/dril/status/549425182767861760
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2024, 09:24:01 PMWait, that cuck thing was directed at me?
Depends how mad you are I guess?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2024, 09:24:01 PMWait, that cuck thing was directed at me? I just said I want it to make sense.
https://twitter.com/dril/status/549425182767861760
I just need consensus for something in my life and this seemed like an easy win.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 22, 2024, 09:23:21 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2024, 09:20:05 PMThat's why I hope Cavill doesn't play some fancy posthuman in his show. I think he should be a Rogue Trader, commanding a ship with an eclectic crew, banging hot Drukhari chicks and basically playing tour guide to the universe. He should be constantly bending the rules and verging on heresy.
I still think he'd be a great Ciaphas, with some muttonchops.
Probably, but that might limit his ability to swashbuckle. I want him to swashbuckle. That means Rogue Trader.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 22, 2024, 09:25:32 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2024, 09:24:01 PMWait, that cuck thing was directed at me?
Depends how mad you are I guess?
Like Angron after getting teleported from Nuceria.
Ciaphas does plenty of swashbuckling.
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Can he flirt with heresy like a Rogue Trader? I don't see a commissar banging hot Drukhari chicks. Not even Ciaphas.
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Probably not, but he'd definitely get lecherous around any Sisters, and you could have angry yet blushing bondage nuns instead of goth elves.
Why not both?
Real talk, it won't be fun like Cain or a CHAD SEXINGTON, ROGUE TRADER campaign.
It'll be dour as f**k Inquisition stuff.
With a bafflingly inappropriate appearance by a Custodian, who's only there because Cavill is a fanboy.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2024, 09:40:24 PMWith a bafflingly inappropriate appearance by a Custodian.
That's just an accurate representation of the current lore.
And a baffling absence of Space Marines--which is what most people will be tuning in to see--because they blew the budget on the Custodian.
I feel like there was never going to be more than a token appearance of any Marines in the first outing anyway.
They'll probably cocktease us all season.
You can guarantee it.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2024, 09:13:56 PMAnd at least their recent activities are acknowledged as a new thing, rather than an "always have been" thing.
Didn't see this edit. What about the time there were suddenly female Cadians everywhere and always had been? Or the time Marines had always had Centurion suits, Hunter tanks etc. Or how the imperium had lost Grav-gun tech, then suddenly when a new kit dropped, marines had always still had Grav weapons?
"They've always been there, you just didn't see one til now" has been how GW has handled retcons since forever.
But I didn't know about those things because I'm a filthy casual who didn't really start following the lore until a few years ago.
So they don't count.
At least it's an honest answer.
I can only get livid about things that happened after I became a fan. And I don't even buy the minis, so I don't know if I'm allowed to be called a fan anyway.
I think there's a $5,000 minimum spend before you're an Official Fan™.
What does $5,000 USD get me at current prices?
One box of troops and a couple of paints.
I bet you used to be a wealthy man before you discovered the plastic crack.
Honestly, I'm just sort of mad of them for not getting things consistent. If they wanted to have female troops, just say that they were recruited recently Since more units is Usually better and not they were there the whole time.
Oh, they have plenty of female "troops" in 40k. Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Inquisitors, Imperial Knights, guardsmen, naval officers, assassins, commissars, etc. We've also had female High Lords, rogue traders, tech priests, navigators, saints, etc. I've seen them all at some point. And they're awesome.
Just no Custodians until now, because we were always told they were a "brotherhood" of "sons."
Pfff I'm less than a filthy casual :P I only played
Dawn of War (rts PC game)
Dark Crusade &
Soulstorm eons ago.😂👎
My favorite factions were the Necrons and the Tau 😎🤘 oh and that Necron monolith turned into a mobile fortress in advanced stages of the game was beyond insane!
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I have never played Dawn of War.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2024, 11:13:02 PMOh, they have plenty of female "troops" in 40k. Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Inquisitors, Imperial Knights, guardsmen, naval officers, assassins, commissars, etc. We've also had female High Lords, rogue traders, tech priests, navigators, saints, etc. I've seen them all at some point. And they're awesome.
Just no Custodians until now, because we were always told they were a "brotherhood" of "sons."
Yeah, I was referring Custodiansas troops for. I didn't know how to spell Custodians. Sorry for the Misleading
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 22, 2024, 10:57:14 PMHonestly, I'm just sort of mad of them for not getting things consistent.
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f**king lol.
I will be back later to rant about this at length.
Are you going to tell him about the necrons?
Spoiler
I think he's going to tell him about the necrons.
I know the Necrons. I don't know How bad is their consistency is
los necrones!!!! 😍 hasta la vista baby
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Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 23, 2024, 03:17:29 AMI know the Necrons. I don't know How bad is their consistency is
It's a touchy subject. Tread carefully.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 23, 2024, 03:11:53 AMAre you going to tell him about the necrons?
Spoiler
I think he's going to tell him about the necrons.
Actually, I'm going to talk about Space Marines.
We all know what they are, Games Workshop has made damn sure of that. If you're in this thread, you probably know that they're organised into chapters of "about 1000" marines. I use quotation marks there because for a long time it was simply "1000 marines", until GW realised this conflicted with their own lore, and added the vagueness clause.
How many more than a thousand, assuming full strength? That's never really been consistent either. We know for a fact that we can add an additional 60 marines thanks to the Captain, Chaplain and five-man command squad each company contains. We won't count Dreadnoughts, as, despite technically being Space Marines, they're also living relics and somewhat outside the standard organisation.
What about headquarters and support staff? It gets hairy here. There's four we can name easily, being the Chapter Master (and maybe, but maybe not, a command squad or honour guard), Chief Librarian, Master of Sanctity, and Master of the forge. There are no set numbers of Librarians, Reclusiarchs or Techmarines, but I think it's safe to say there's probably 10-20 each of Librarians and Techmarines per Chapter, and perhaps 5 or so Reclusiarchs. Using the larger of those numbers, we're now at 1000 + 89.
Lets talk about Apothecaries though. We know there's a Master of the Apothecarion too, and at least one Apothecary per company, taking us to a cool 100 extra Marines. One medic per 100 guys seems low though, and GW have both acknowledged this at times while ignoring it at others. There might be a lot more medics. Sometimes there is, sometimes there's not. It's also extremely unclear (as in, it's been stated and shown both ways, repeatedly) whether Apothecaries are counted as part of those five-man company command squads, or are auxiliary to the company and take the number to 107 per formation.
And support roles, such as Master of the Fleet, Master of Recruits, and so on? These have been roles filled by "retired" veteran Marines in some lore, or by the Captains of reserve companies when GW feels like it. It's never really been stated that the role is open to both/either, simply presented as absolute fact that it's whichever one GW says it is right now (which could change again without notice).
Then there's the 10th Company, or Scout Company. Is this actually 100 men (or rather, 106, possibly 107)? This is where new recruits are trained before earning their power armour, and it seems bizarre that a Marine Chapter would limit itself to only field-training 100 recruits at a time, given attrition rates and the tyranny of distance. The exact number of Scout units a full strength chapter can deploy is often very vague and inconsistent for this reason, but it's not unreasonable to assume that after a large recruitment push and a relatively quiet time for the rest of the chapter, there could easily be another 50-100 Marines over the baseline 100 listed. Let's be generous and use the larger number again. We're now at 1200 Marines.
The problem now, is all those vehicles. The Fleet and various support vehicles have human crews, but there are
at least 100 Rhino APCs, 10 Razorback APCs, and any number of Land Raiders, Predators, Whirlwinds, Hunters etc, plus dropships and light aircraft.
Who is crewing all these tanks?
GW has, at various points, claimed it's human chapter serfs, or failed marine aspirants. Except the rules and models have always shown the crew to be fully armed and armoured Space Marines, so they stopped doing that. Where are all these other marines coming from? That's two crew per ground vehicle, and one pilot per drop/air craft. Sometimes Games Workshop will say that it's the Marines of the reserve companies pulling this duty, except sometimes GW also says that a chapter can deploy its full strength in boots on the ground while still having transports, tanks and air support. Which would mean, wait for it, there's another (conservative estimate) 300 Space Marines crewing all these vehicles.
GW is not and probably never will be consistent on this issue, but we could be looking at "about 1000" Marines actually being more like minimum 1500 Marines at full strength. That's 50% more Space Marines than advertised.
And all of this changes at the drop of a hat, fairly regularly. I haven't mentioned anything about Primaris Marines throwing off numbers or organisation because that actually was presented as a new development, not quietly retconned as always having been that way or presented in frustratingly inconsistent ways like the other stuff.
I also mentioned in a previous post, things like Centurion Armour, the Hunter tank, etc. Usually when GW makes a new Space Marine unit or vehicle, it is simply presented as always having been part of their organisations - you just didn't know about them til now. There will very often be bits of fluff in the accompanying Codex depicting these new units in historic battles, to drive the point home.
I could also mention that Space Marines used to be brain-wiped convicts who acted like petty space-cops, not the genetically enhanced angels of death we know today, and that that particular retcon was never presented as a change but as just the way it'd always been, but that's really another rabbit hole.
So, in summary, Games Workshop has had 36 years to define their poster-boy faction and financial golden goose - to decide how many Space Marines are in a Chapter, and what equipment and vehicles they have access to - and they can't even give you a straight answer on that.
Consistent, GW is not.
That's 1,000 per chapter across 666 chapters, right? I always thought that was a ridiculously small number of Astartes for a galactic-scale war and constant attrition, even if the Astra Militarum does the lion's share of the fighting.
1000+ chapters, supposedly, but it's still f**k all for an entire galaxy. GW can't into numbers/scale or consistency.
Thanks, you just made my day a little worse. Now I'm black-pilled too. >:(
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Actually, I've been looking at the second edition Codex: Angels of Death and Codex: Ultramarines, and they're on top of the numbers thing there. It seems playing dumb about the numbers is a 3-7th issue. 8+ with the introduction of Primaris I haven't read much of, but I get the vibe they've (thankfully) just given up on any strictness around the 1000 figure.
This is why I'm Sticking with the tyranids. I'm pretty sure they have just a simple concept And motivation behind it.
The Tyranids are my favourite too. But even they've been goofed with in that way, especially around their methods of long distance travel within the galaxy - but not limited to that.
As an example: Squigs started as a type of critter for Warhammer Fantasy. When 40k happened, they introduced them there too. There was a brief period of time, where they were Tyranid experiments on captured orks (and a unit in the Tyranid army, later replaced by Rippers) which the orks had "rescued" and reintroduced to their society.
In a similar vein, RT era Tyranids are described as having things resembling clothing and combat webbing, although cultured from living flesh rather than being made of leather or fabric. They also had (organic) Bolters - which eventually became Fleshborers, and quite some detail goes into describing their miniaturised, organic frag and krak grenades.
Although to be clear, I think most of the (lore) changes to Tyranids have been a positive evolution of the concept. Surprisingly considering the theme though, relatively few changes to them have been presented as new adaptations, mostly new units. The broad stroke stuff is always the usual GW "this is how it's always been" type retcon, at absolute best presented as "new info to the imperium".
That's good to hear that most of the Lower changes has been mostly positive. I haven't even bought any of the figures, but I absolutely love How they look.
Not related, but do you think it's concerning that there aren't as many enemy Variations in space Marine 2? From what I saw only only like three or four types. If it reveal That they only have those numbers I'll be very disappointed. The closest thing that I'll get from a actual fighting Tyranid Is in helldivers 2, and Deathwing
I suspect you'll mostly be fighting against gaunts and warriors in sm2, but that's how it should be. 100%, there will be specialist units as buff generators for the basic swarms, and big stuff as boss fights.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 24, 2024, 04:43:43 AMThe closest thing that I'll get from a actual fighting Tyranid Is in helldivers 2, and Deathwing
Try the early 2000's Starship Troopers FPS. It kinda sucks but absolutely scratches that itch, and the number of bugs it can render at once is pretty impressive - it's apparently based on the same tech they did the 97 movie with.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 24, 2024, 05:05:59 AMI suspect you'll mostly be fighting against gaunts and warriors in sm2, but that's how it should be. 100%, there will be specialist units as buff generators for the basic swarms, and big stuff as boss fights.
Yeah, that's properly a good assumption.
Speaking of buffing units there was a scene in this video at 16:25. Big brain flying Tyranid that came in and bought the others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuIIoiiBLEo
Anyone got any 40k tattoo's? I got the eagle.
Chaos star, although they didn't invent it.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Yesterday at 04:14:09 PMChaos star, although they didn't invent it.
I actually toyed with the idea of getting that too at one point but was worried having both would be a bit disloyal to the Imperium.