Alien and Predator universe generally connected?

[Neila]

It's not set in stone yet, but according to recent reports, it's very likely that at some point the two film universes, Alien and Predator, could be connected.
So not just AvP but in general.
I personally HATE this idea and think it's bad enough that AvP films and comics even exist. The studio is of course interested in money and wants to milk the cow for as long and thoroughly as possible.
It's their thing and they can do whatever they want with it. For me personally, however, a general combination would be the most dishonorable way of continuing to run these brands.
It would be an enormous devaluation, especially for the alien universe.
This is my opinion and everyone has their own.
How do you think about that?

[Nightmare Asylum]

At the moment, they are not connected at all.

Bet that changes come the release of Badlands next year, though.

As for how I personally feel about a merging of the universes – I spent so long hating the concept of AVP, but in the last few years I've grown more open to the idea and I'm kind of interested in seeing a new attempt at an AVP at this point. Now, I'd much rather it be a separate continuity (or at least, in the Predator continuity but separate from the Alien one), but I'm also not going to lose sleep over a potential sharing of universes, unless they start doing it in a very MCU sort of way with endless setups and cameos and whatnot happening all over the place to remind us of X project comint down the line perpetually. That kind of thing is harmful to the indivudual films, which I don't want to see happen, but if it's something more natural, like an Alien-esque setting for a Predator movie here, and an AVP crossover there, then so be it I guess.

Even if the inevitable shared universe/crossover stuff sucks, the standalone stuff I love that already exists is never going to go anywhere.

[Neila]

Even if the inevitable shared universe/crossover stuff sucks, the standalone stuff I love that already exists is never going to go anywhere.

that wouldn't be the case for me either.
I mean, I admit that I wouldn't be interested in another film from this universe if there was a complete merger. but I would continue to deal with the old stuff. The quality of these films continues to this day and cannot be destroyed later.
it would just be ruined for the future.
Personally, I haven't liked a Predator film since anything after 1992. But the first two are still on my shelf and are pushed into the player every now and then.

For me, Alien has always been a kind of work of art that you don't have to combine with anything else.
I'm certainly exaggerating a bit, but it would be like someone adding graffiti to the Mona Lisa.

[CANNON]

You both bring up great points and I too agree that the individuality of each respective property keeps the their franchises grounded.

I also agree that there hasn't been a predator film that I've truly loved since the originals, but Prey came close for me falling short solely on the abandonment of the Winston Predator design. Where as the Alien property seems continually to be treated with respect in relation to its predecessors.

As for the connection between both franchises; I thought at least in the world of Predator films that P2 did in fact establish a connection between both franchises with the trophy case Alien skull.

Lastly, I do think a Predator & Alien film could work under the right circumstances. Alien, I do agree has many characteristics defining it as an artistic film and with that art an established aesthetic - which imo could make for the setting of their meeting. As I've said in other posts, filmmakers should use the Alien films established tone and setting allowing the movie to feel to the audience as if they are watching an Alien film first and  then introduce a Predator to that world. The written story would have to emphasize environment and weather and obviously have to allow the Predator to exist in that world in an accurate and truthful way respecting the nature of Predator but it could be done properly. The Predator becoming one with the environment of a planet from the Alien films like an LV-426 or LV-223 and it's use of the planetary storms like the one we see in Prometheus.

My point is, I do feel it could be done right in a very enjoyable way all while respecting both properties.

[Neila]

My point is, I do feel it could be done right in a very enjoyable way all while respecting both properties.

They can do that without connecting the worlds and causing damage.
Both brands have become somewhat stronger again, which is basically a good thing.  there is enough potential.
Although I'm much more into Alien, I have to admit that the possibilities with Predi are even greater. Prey was the right idea, but for me it was poorly implemented.

If they have to put both characters in one film then at least it should continue to be titled AvP.
And then it should be detached from the originals.
No WY and no Marines. Leave the alien universe untouched!
In a third AvP film, the Strausses Brothers wanted to turn the space jockey into a predator postman who drops the eggs on the planet worth hunting.
I think another idea should be that only a Predalien could evolve into an Alien Queen.
All that shit.
It would be a crime against the alien idea.
Only the Predator universe would have benefited from this, Alien would have been screwed.

Make it your own thing and let it play in the future.
AvP was wine and beer in one bottle.
But at least I know what to expect.
When I see an Alien film in which a Predator suddenly walks around, for me it's just a misnomer.
It feels wrong and lazy.

[SM]

AvP exists in the Predaverse as far as I'm concerned. Which is fine.

[CANNON]

Yeah I do totally understand the apprehension putting them on screen together again as it's a lot easier to get it wrong than right. Also not to make assumptions, I'd imagine a lot of those reservations comes from the fact every iteration that we do have thus far has been in my opinion, bad and did a poor job depicting both franchises on screen.


With that I do agree both properties at its core should continue to exist unadulterated but I will say in my opinion, if they did meet on screen utilizing the already established Alien aesthetic, tone and everything I mentioned in the previous post with the addition of a Predator who remains at a distance, invisible for a good portion of the film, observing, watching and studying. A Predator who is patient, intelligent and cunning, who uses the planetary storms, environment and terrain in his favor in a creative way and then only appears when least expected. I feel a predator of that nature could work on screen with the Alien and work very well in that Alien setting.

Also maybe you are right and avoiding the use of CM is a good idea, maybe it be better suited to introduce a CM special forces type of unit that could stand a better chance. Most importantly though, the story and human characters are imo the most important focus points to establish with the setting, from there build around it.

[Neila]

AvP exists in the Predaverse as far as I'm concerned. Which is fine.

Which is basically confirmed with the alien skull in P2.
with Predator that might have been cool and funny.
To this day, something like this hasn't happened at Alien because it has a different requirement.
Many Predator Model Kits must have a severed alien skull on the base.
So drained.

Yeah I do totally understand the apprehension putting them on screen together again as it's a lot easier to get it wrong than right. Also not to make assumptions, I'd imagine a lot of those reservations comes from the fact every iteration that we do have thus far has been in my opinion, bad and did a poor job depicting both franchises on screen.

I think you're a nice guy and I find it very accommodating how you try to find a way to satisfy even a narrow-minded nerd like me.
I started this topic because I'm really interested in how others see it.
But it won't convince me to change my fixed mindset.

This merger is already bothering me in AvP as a whole, no matter how well it is done.
But I could still accept AvP because it would be a separate thing. but they messed it up by having WY and Charles B. be there.
In principle, they had already connected the worlds.
Actually, you almost have to be grateful to the Strausses that they made such a bad film and the studio dropped interest.
Scott may have angered at least as many fans with Prometheus, but he at least removed AvP from the canon, which I welcomed very much.
Scott is not the enemy, there are other people who should stay away from this.

When Dan Trachtenberg asked the question of who would win a fight (Alien or Predator), I felt bile. I knew this was a nod and it was clear that this topic would pick up speed again.
Just when Alien was getting stronger again, the damper came, so to speak.

[CANNON]

Yeah I do totally understand the apprehension putting them on screen together again as it's a lot easier to get it wrong than right. Also not to make assumptions, I'd imagine a lot of those reservations comes from the fact every iteration that we do have thus far has been in my opinion, bad and did a poor job depicting both franchises on screen.

I think you're a nice guy and I find it very accommodating how you try to find a way to satisfy even a narrow-minded nerd like me.
I started this topic because I'm really interested in how others see it.
But it won't convince me to change my fixed mindset.

This merger is already bothering me in AvP as a whole, no matter how well it is done.
But I could still accept AvP because it would be a separate thing. but they messed it up by having WY and Charles B. be there.
In principle, they had already connected the worlds.
Actually, you almost have to be grateful to the Strausses that they made such a bad film and the studio dropped interest.
Scott may have angered at least as many fans with Prometheus, but he at least removed AvP from the canon, which I welcomed very much.
Scott is not the enemy, there are other people who should stay away from this.

When Dan Trachtenberg asked the question of who would win a fight (Alien or Predator), I felt bile. I knew this was a nod and it was clear that this topic would pick up speed again.
Just when Alien was getting stronger again, the damper came, so to speak.

Thanks for your kind words - I appreciate it. I do try to be open minded and respectful with everyone here since we are all a community together and all fans of the two franchises, just sometimes with different opinions.

That being said, I hear you and I honestly don't blame you for your opinion and direction you would prefer to see in future AvP films or in this case what you would prefer not to see.

As for the Dan Trachtenberg question, where did you see that? I may have missed that. Thanks.

[Neila]

Thanks for your kind words - I appreciate it. I do try to be open minded and respectful with everyone here since we are all a community together and all fans of the two franchises, just sometimes with different opinions.

That being said, I hear you and I honestly don't blame you for your opinion and direction you would prefer to see in future AvP films or in this case what you would prefer not to see.

As for the Dan Trachtenberg question, where did you see that? I may have missed that. Thanks.

You're welcome.

Trachtenberg said this via screen at ComicCon during the Alien Romulus conference.
There were several well-known film people at the start and commented on Alien Romulus or the franchise in general and also asked questions.

I think it was the same event where the panel was suddenly interrupted by a facehugger attack. (Lights went out, remote controlled facehuggers on stage, etc.)

[CANNON]

Got it, I know the event your talking about - ill have to go looking for that quote. Thank you,

[BishopWantsIt]

I wanted to vote "No, they should stay separated. (But I would like to see more AvP films)" but misclicked.

[solace97]

It just needs to be done right. These two franchises are destined to be together. We've unfortunately been ripped off with AVP and AVPR

[Neila]

I wanted to vote "No, they should stay separated. (But I would like to see more AvP films)" but misclicked.

OK,
the option Changing votes is now activated.

[SiL]

I want them separate, but I want my AvP.