I always assumed it was in 2010, the year it came out, but I've seen some sites reporting that The Predator (set in 2018) is between Predator 2 and Predators. Where did that come from? An interview or something?
I think shane black did say that in an interview, I don't know when predators is set though, there's no way of telling what year it is, the caracters do just wake up falling but they could potentialy have been in storage for years and years.
Well, they started dropping new game within what? A day or two? If the Predators are burning through prey that fast, I doubt Brody and company were kept in storage for very long.
Maybe they have a really really big backlog of targets from different times in history just for fun, who know when that yakuza guy was from? Could've been the seventies.
Well the weapons they were all carrying kept them current, plus Brody was aware of the fact that Stans was formerly on the FBI most wanted list.
The dead guy was supposed to be in afganistan, as was Isabelle.
Quote from: lightsyder on May 29, 2020, 03:39:35 PM
I always assumed it was in 2010, the year it came out, but I've seen some sites reporting that The Predator (set in 2018) is between Predator 2 and Predators. Where did that come from? An interview or something?
Quote from: Dingbat on May 29, 2020, 03:55:30 PM
I think shane black did say that in an interview, I don't know when predators is set though, there's no way of telling what year it is, the caracters do just wake up falling but they could potentialy have been in storage for years and years.
Yep. Dingbat is right. Shane Black said in an interview that Predators hasn't happened yet in regards to his flick - The Predator - but there where was no real year offered.
Maybe Illfonic will resolve these questions in Predator Hunting Grounds, I hope. They've already done wonders with so much lore!
they really have. The Dutch and Keyes tapes tie P1, P2 and The Predator together so well. I was really hoping for a piece for AvP, AvP:R and Predators. Even got Alpha Predators bio connected to a Keyes tape, sorta...
Fingers crossed!!
so speaking of Hunting Grounds. Based on the Dutch tapes I guess it's safe to say the game takes place in 2025 entirely right?
Quote from: lightsyder on May 29, 2020, 08:13:17 PM
so speaking of Hunting Grounds. Based on the Dutch tapes I guess it's safe to say the game takes place in 2025 entirely right?
It's unclear when Hunting Grounds takes place be it that it takes place in 2020 or that it takes place closer to the recording in April of 2025. However it for sure takes place after The Predator so it's post-October of 2018 at the very least.
2008
Predators take place in 2010, not in the future like Shane Black says because Shane Black proved to be incompetent and oblivious to anything related to Predator. For some reason he thought Predators take place in the future and that's just his stupid incoherent conclusion. The Predator is proof we should discredit everything coming from Shane.
Is it specified somewhere that Predators took place in 2010?
Worth mentioning that only half of the films actually take place in the year's they're released in. It's only assumed with Predators because we had no other reason to believe it wasn't but that wouldn't be unheard of if it took place in 2014 or something. We can assume it's prior to the The Predator but nothing readily indicates it doesn't take place after and nothing really changes regardless of where it is on the timeline since we just haven't been to the Game Preserve since. It's been 10 years and there wasn't any followup that gives a specific year to my knowledge so this could fit almost anywhere.
Estimate (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-banned-histories-pre-history-to-2004/).
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Predators Notes:
This was the most difficult to date. Most sources simply list the release year of the film (2010) as the timeframe. However there's two pieces of dialogue that enable us to make a more educated guess. Nickolai says he was in combat in Chechnya, and Isabelle says the Asian and African jungle is too hot for this time of year.
Combat in Chechnya ceased on April 15, 2009, so the film must be set before that. The hottest months throughout tropical African and South East Asia (same with the Amazon which Isabelle also mentions) range from February through to May. So in order to place it as close to the release year as possible, but also conform with the dialogue in the film (and assuming they weren't in 'hypersleep' for a year) I went with late 2008.
Mombasa also mentions being in combat, however the Revolutionary United Front in Sierra Leone (which is speculated in the film and backed up by the characters backstory) effectively disbanded as an armed force in 2003, and it's not possible to determine what combat he was involved in. Additionally, Mahershalalhashbaz Ali who portrays Mombasa was born in 1974, and if the character is around the same age, and abducted to be a child solider around the age of 7, as his history suggests, this would've been around 1981 – some 10 years before the RUF existed. His background is possibly too murky to be reliable.
Right on, well reasoned! Nicely done, friend. ::applause::
The potential fly in the ointment is cryosleep.
Predators could be set at any time after the characters are abducted because they have amnesia and don't remember how they got there (mainly because it's not important to the story).
If their abductors are putting them in cryosleep then they could be revived at any point after late 2008 (per SM's well reasoned argument).
If you have cryosleep it could happen anywhen.
Though that seems unlikely considering they seem to have wormhole tech or something similar.
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2020, 08:04:43 AM
If you have cryosleep it could happen anywhen.
Though that seems unlikely considering they seem to have wormhole tech or something similar.
A little bit of both at the Pred's convenience would be uh, convenient.
Here's the Shane Black quote where he says as of The Predator, the events of Predators hasn't happened yet, i.e. it takes place in the future.
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2020, 05:04:28 AM
Estimate (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-banned-histories-pre-history-to-2004/).
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Predators Notes:
This was the most difficult to date. Most sources simply list the release year of the film (2010) as the timeframe. However there's two pieces of dialogue that enable us to make a more educated guess. Nickolai says he was in combat in Chechnya, and Isabelle says the Asian and African jungle is too hot for this time of year.
Combat in Chechnya ceased on April 15, 2009, so the film must be set before that. The hottest months throughout tropical African and South East Asia (same with the Amazon which Isabelle also mentions) range from February through to May. So in order to place it as close to the release year as possible, but also conform with the dialogue in the film (and assuming they weren't in 'hypersleep' for a year) I went with late 2008.
Mombasa also mentions being in combat, however the Revolutionary United Front in Sierra Leone (which is speculated in the film and backed up by the characters backstory) effectively disbanded as an armed force in 2003, and it's not possible to determine what combat he was involved in. Additionally, Mahershalalhashbaz Ali who portrays Mombasa was born in 1974, and if the character is around the same age, and abducted to be a child solider around the age of 7, as his history suggests, this would've been around 1981 – some 10 years before the RUF existed. His background is possibly too murky to be reliable.
But you're not counting the future wars that have not occurred yet... cause... you know... they're in the future! ;D
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2020, 05:04:28 AM
Estimate (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-banned-histories-pre-history-to-2004/).
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Combat in Chechnya ceased on April 15, 2009, so the film must be set before that.
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 04, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
But you're not counting the future wars that have not occurred yet... cause... you know... they're in the future! ;D
Absolutely, a very solid point. The predator franchise has had a long history of stories being set in future and near-future settings going back over 30 years now.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 04, 2020, 09:03:01 PM
Here's the Shane Black quote where he says as of The Predator, the events of Predators hasn't happened yet, i.e. it takes place in the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7pOiu1kmZU
Solid find on that interview, Voo. Is this the only hint we've ever gotten from Shane in regards to Predators' timeframe? I'm so curious what his general thoughts are regarding this, even if it ultimately has no bearing on anything. Does anyone know if there's anything more out there on this?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 04, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2020, 08:04:43 AM
If you have cryosleep it could happen anywhen.
Though that seems unlikely considering they seem to have wormhole tech or something similar.
A little bit of both at the Pred's convenience would be uh, convenient.
I like to think of it as Wiggle Room.
QuoteAbsolutely, a very solid point. The predator franchise has had a long history of stories being set in future and near-future settings going back over 30 years now.
QuoteSo in order to place it as close to the release year as possible
Things change...
Quote from: SpaceKase on Jun 04, 2020, 09:25:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 04, 2020, 09:03:01 PM
Here's the Shane Black quote where he says as of The Predator, the events of Predators hasn't happened yet, i.e. it takes place in the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7pOiu1kmZU
Solid find on that interview, Voo. Is this the only hint we've ever gotten from Shane in regards to Predators' timeframe? I'm so curious what his general thoughts are regarding this, even if it ultimately has no bearing on anything. Does anyone know if there's anything more out there on this?
Thanks. I think there's some more if I recall. Will have to take a deep dive soon.
In regards to bearing on anything, regardless if we like it or not, Shane Black's efforts are canon, until it's not. But I'm betting it will always be, considering Predator Hunting Grounds built on top of it with Stargazer, Dutch's return, S. Keyes etc... while conveniently forgetting the hybridization (thank goodness).
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2020, 11:37:01 PM
QuoteAbsolutely, a very solid point. The predator franchise has had a long history of stories being set in future and near-future settings going back over 30 years now.
QuoteSo in order to place it as close to the release year as possible
I totally follow your logic and rationale. But I think the point they were trying to get across is that,
if one were to set the story in a future or near-future setting, as Shane Black suggests, then there is a tradition in Predator stories of doing so; just as Concrete Jungle, Predator 2, Hunting Grounds, and many others have done.
Just as you assume Nikolai is referring specifically to the Second Chechen War, one could just as easily assume Nikolai is referring to a fictional subsequent Chechen conflict. Your interpretation is just as valid, but there's wiggle room if someone chooses to ascribe to Black's apparent interpretation.
One must have some standards rather than it being open slather.
If Black gave dates for Predators and The Predator then that would obviously be seriously considered - particularly if it conforms to what's on screen. Has he ever said when The Predator takes place?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 05, 2020, 12:42:20 AM
Things change...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa1cRpmgpUw
Damn dude, solid find #2! That's so legit, and it totally clears up at least one of the lingering questions (among myriad) about the veracity of the 17 weeks later vs 17 days later time setting of Col Marines.It was knowingly intentional on their part, at least according Matt Powers. I also appreciate him not taking Zamora's bait to disrespect the many creators and fans of Alien 3; pretty classy on his part. But how does this clip relate again? I think I missed something.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 05, 2020, 12:42:20 AM
Thanks. I think there's some more if I recall. Will have to take a deep dive soon.
Yeah man, please do! My curiosity is stoked now, and so far you're 2 for 2.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 05, 2020, 12:42:20 AM
In regards to bearing on anything, regardless if we like it or not, Shane Black's efforts are canon, until it's not. But I'm betting it will always be, considering Predator Hunting Grounds built on top of it with Stargazer, Dutch's return, S. Keyes etc... while conveniently forgetting the hybridization (thank goodness).
Ha, aww man, I like the body modification stuff! Depending on how all of those story threads could have developed, I can totally believe how one powerful Yaut clan could see another powerful clan's practices in genetic modification as some kind of unholy defilement of their race's "purity". perhaps we'll never know, it's all just musings killed in the cradle thus far.
I also appreciate Hunting Grounds' efforts not to similarly disrespect the many creators and fans of The Predator; very classy on Illfonic's part, as well.
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2020, 02:11:24 AM
One must have some standards rather than it being open slather.
Ha, you think it's openly...
slatherly(?) to maintain ambiguity in a story? (I tease, I tease)
We comprehend the standards you're applying to your rationale, and no harm nor threat is intended toward the fashion of those practices. If I'm not mistaken, I believe all we're saying is that the style of those practices are more doctrinal than they are dogmatic. But yeah dude, like I said, the reasoning for your theory is solid. I like it.
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2020, 02:11:24 AM
If Black gave dates for Predators and The Predator then that would obviously be seriously considered - particularly if it conforms to what's on screen. Has he ever said when The Predator takes place?
For sure, in the clip above, that
Voodoo posted, Black specifically says his movie takes place in 2018.
Ah okay.
I don't really buy his take on Predators not having happened yet - because he doesn't actually have a take.
Nor do I buy his take on when The Predator takes place since 2020 has a full moon on Halloween and 2018 doesn't. Unless of course there's a calendar on a wall somewhere that I haven't spotted yet. If there is, then you have an AvP situation where moon phases don't match the quoted date in the film, and I'd go with the latter.
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2020, 03:50:27 AM
Ah okay.
I don't really buy his take on Predators not having happened yet - because he doesn't actually have a take.
Nor do I buy his take on when The Predator takes place since 2020 has a full moon on Halloween and 2018 doesn't. Unless of course there's a calendar on a wall somewhere that I haven't spotted yet. If there is, then you have an AvP situation where moon phases don't match the quoted date in the film, and I'd go with the latter.
Solidly logicked once again, sir. I tip my biomask to you, and unless there's something solid in the film itself firmly to the contrary, I buy your interpretation over the director's meta-provided apparent intentions any day.
Predator stories love their full moons don't they?
That they do.
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2020, 03:50:27 AM
Ah okay.
I don't really buy his take on Predators not having happened yet - because he doesn't actually have a take.
Nor do I buy his take on when The Predator takes place since 2020 has a full moon on Halloween and 2018 doesn't. Unless of course there's a calendar on a wall somewhere that I haven't spotted yet. If there is, then you have an AvP situation where moon phases don't match the quoted date in the film, and I'd go with the latter.
The day the moon dictates canonical dates is the day I double my daily alcohol consumption!
SM is the man on the moon!
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 05, 2020, 05:59:34 PM
SM is the man on the moon!
...this thornbush,
his thornbush; and this dog,
his pred-dog.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 05, 2020, 05:58:06 PM
The day the moon dictates canonical dates is the day I double my daily alcohol consumption!
Okay dude, but when your excuses start getting
this nuanced, you gotta start to think...
Maybe you just
like drinking and it's not about the predator monster after all.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 05, 2020, 05:58:06 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2020, 03:50:27 AM
Ah okay.
I don't really buy his take on Predators not having happened yet - because he doesn't actually have a take.
Nor do I buy his take on when The Predator takes place since 2020 has a full moon on Halloween and 2018 doesn't. Unless of course there's a calendar on a wall somewhere that I haven't spotted yet. If there is, then you have an AvP situation where moon phases don't match the quoted date in the film, and I'd go with the latter.
The day the moon dictates canonical dates is the day I double my daily alcohol consumption!
If you're getting worked up about this, just try dealing with the dates in the Terminator series.
Quote from: Stitch on Jun 05, 2020, 11:15:51 PM
If you're getting worked up about this, just try dealing with the dates in the Terminator series.
Hahaha, No dice! All bets are off when time travel starts blasting off multiverses. I gave up after the Sarah Connor Chronicles. At some point you've gotta throw your hands up and admit there's no fate but what you make. There's not enough tequila and potato chips in the world to unravel that Gordian knot.
Quote from: SpaceKase on Jun 05, 2020, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 05, 2020, 05:59:34 PM
SM is the man on the moon!
...this thornbush, his thornbush; and this dog, his pred-dog.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 05, 2020, 05:58:06 PM
The day the moon dictates canonical dates is the day I double my daily alcohol consumption!
Okay dude, but when your excuses start getting this nuanced, you gotta start to think... Maybe you just like drinking and it's not about the predator monster after all.
Filthy casuals...
Shane claiming The Predator is in 2018 does tie in well with Keyes' OWLA recordings and Dutch's briefing tapes from Hunting Grounds. Keyes says the OWLA is abolished and Stargazer comes about in or around August 2016. Then a Dutch tape dated 1/13/19 claims Stargazer was dismantled and has gone rogue. If The Predator was October 2018 then that disaster causing the group to be disbanded by January 2019 fits well. Maybe the Hunting Grounds writers got a 2018 date from the Predator lore bible I've seen mentioned.
Wasn't Rory working for Stargazer at the end or was that another organisation?
I don't think it really said. Looked like it might be a more military ran group? The Hunting Grounds stuff seems to ignore all of that for now. I hope future DLC ties in with that, Predators and AvP:R
Quote from: SM on Jun 06, 2020, 12:41:09 AM
Filthy casuals...
"Hi there! Vinz Clortho, Keymaster of Gozer... Volguus Zildrohoar, Lord of the Seboullia. Live with the Tobin's Spirit Guide Gazette. On the scene and in your face! Sir, for the audience at home, are you the prophesied Gatekeeper?"
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 05, 2020, 05:58:06 PM
The day the moon dictates canonical dates is the day I double my daily alcohol consumption!
But on the real though, a firm calendar date paired with a given moon phase is a solid coordinate for making an ambiguous determination, it checks pretty good. Any overt contradiction from the film would just relegate the lunar data point to an internal inconsistency.
It's sorta like pinning down the year for Moore's "Hunters and Hunted". In General Woodhurst's condolence letter to the family of Elmore Strand, he cites the date of the Sergeant's death as Thursday, October 27th. Of the likely years in which Oct 27th fell on a Thursday, your range of probabilities narrows considerably down to 2005, 2016, or 2022. At a figurative "Twenty-odd years" since the 1997 LA incident, this makes 2016 this most likely. It's just some classic nerdy deduction for those who seek therapy through mapping fictional spacetimes.
Well, the casual cartographers anyway. And lemme tell ye, friends. No one's filthier or more casual than
this SpaceKase here. ;)
(But don't bring up the dates on Traeger's iPad, 'cause I don't wanna hear about it!)
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 06, 2020, 01:39:30 AM
I don't think it really said. Looked like it might be a more military ran group? The Hunting Grounds stuff seems to ignore all of that for now. I hope future DLC ties in with that, Predators and AvP:R
Oh Yea yea, wasn't the original story supposed to have EJO's Gen. Woodhurst reasserting command of the project and assets?
I wouldn't worry too much about the iPad. The co-ordinates are for Chile and Mexico. They don't appear to be references to the earlier flicks (even if that might've been the intent).
Quote from: SpaceKase on Jun 05, 2020, 07:32:42 PM
Okay dude, but when your excuses start getting this nuanced, you gotta start to think... Maybe you just like drinking and it's not about the predator monster after all.
Hey!!!
I resemble that remark!!!
(https://media.tenor.com/images/4572fd89979d91900ec06cfadacdf8d4/tenor.gif)
"therapy through mapping fictional spacetimes"...I like that! Lol. It's just fun working on this kind of stuff and digging into the lore. You should see my Stargate timeline...lol
I'm working on a Predator timeline now which is what spawned these questions in the first place. I'm getting ready to read Hunters and Hunted then on to Hunting Grounds prequel.
I just started reading Hunters and Hunted myself.
I'd be interested to see what you come up with the Predator timeline when you're done. :)
Be happy to share! Your alien universe timeline is excellent by the way! Great work
Quote from: SM on Jun 06, 2020, 10:59:35 AM
I wouldn't worry too much about the iPad. The co-ordinates are for Chile and Mexico. They don't appear to be references to the earlier flicks (even if that might've been the intent).
! You scooped me, sir! I just mentioned those bogus coords in another dorky thread. That's some ol' graphic's dept shenanigans, right there. Don't they know how passionate we are??
Yeah man, there's been this massive demonstration going on up here today, with explosions and honking and shouting and helicopters, I can't get the opening scene of the
Running Man out of my head. I've been super distracted just trying to keep up with events and check in on peeps, both out there demonstrating, and scared loved ones who are just freaked out, my cat included.
But overall there's been a crazy outpouring of support, love, and positivity, The incredible solidarity marches and demonstrations from out of Africa, Japan, the UK, Germany, South America, the marches in Melbourne and Sydney, the Hakas out from New Zealand, it's all been... overwhelming, but it really feels like something huge is actually happening. It's a lot for the 'ol wee little noggin to process, and transitioning off some adhd meds, damn, I feel more scattered than a blast pattern from the Hicks' Family Shotgun.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 06, 2020, 01:25:25 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Jun 05, 2020, 07:32:42 PM
Okay dude, but when your excuses start getting this nuanced, you gotta start to think... Maybe you just like drinking and it's not about the predator monster after all.
Hey!!!
I resemble that remark!!!
X'D hahaha, no judgement sir, no judgement.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 06, 2020, 02:07:08 PM
"therapy through mapping fictional spacetimes"...I like that! Lol. It's just fun working on this kind of stuff and digging into the lore. You should see my Stargate timeline...lol
I'm working on a Predator timeline now which is what spawned these questions in the first place. I'm getting ready to read Hunters and Hunted then on to Hunting Grounds prequel.
Hell yeah I wanna see that SG timeline! Question, how do you handle the original movie in the rest of the lore? Like, is Abydos in the Kaliem Galaxy or the Milky Way? Also, did you ever get a chance read the books that are direct sequels to the Film, like a totally alternate continuity from what SG1 ended up becoming? They're very rad, as long as you can separate out the divergent universes from each other in your head. I remember loving them and feeling
totally threatened by the rise of the SG1 continuity.
Re: Hunters and Hunted, I recommend the Audio book for all those mindless chore times and stuff. Blackstone Publishing had been doing this cool thing where they've been having all the recent Predator novels read by James Patrick Cronin. He's not my
immediate favorite but he really grows on me after a while and it really makes it feel like there's a greater sense of continuity with the world of the stories, moreso than just the stories themselves.
Quote from: SM on Jun 06, 2020, 09:48:39 PM
I just started reading Hunters and Hunted myself.
I'd be interested to see what you come up with the Predator timeline when you're done. :)
Ha, oh man, you and me both. Its a complex and living creature! But fortunately the weird cross-section of Alien monster enthusiasts, survivalists, and history buffs lend a lot of specificity to the story telling and a lot of them end up being dated specifically which, as I'm sure you found yourself, takes a lot of the grunt work out of it, but it's a nice change of pace looking backwards sometimes instead of always forwards.
It's the most ambiguous of the stories that end up the most fun, and biggest pain in the ass. The latter half of "
If it Bleeds" ended up being a begrudging blast. But all the loose threads from the earliest comics sting the most. I really want to know more about the modern characters from
The Bloody Sands of Time! But alas, like the fabled Plateau of Leng, or the final chapters of "
Crusade" they're all lost in time, like tears in rain.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 06, 2020, 11:07:32 PM
Be happy to share! Your alien universe timeline is excellent by the way! Great work
Agreed! In spite of any suspicions to the contrary, I'm a huge fan of
SM's work. Like the work of Mike & Denise Okuda, Geoff Mandel and Larry Nemecek, and Jason Fry & Daniel Wallace, before him. Research and data-collating beasts, one and all.
Hey, I'm new here and I'm fond of timelines since many years.
I'm doing an Alien-AvP-Predator movies timeline since some months now, including all movies, official comics, official novels and official games... Predator: Hunting Grounds OWLF recordings and Dutch's tapes were of good help to increase it.
The question of "When does Predators take place?" is a very good question with some clues given here and there:
- PREDATORS can't be set before 2010 because the Elcan Digital Hunter scope of Isabelle was released in 2010.
- The novel "The Predator: Hunters and Hunted" happens in 2016, no mention of PREDATORS.
- Shane Black has said that THE PREDATOR is happening in 2018 and before PREDATORS. There is no mention of PREDATORS in THE PREDATOR (but there are mention or visuals of PREDATOR, PREDATOR 2 and AvP).
- There still are some conflicts in Chechnya, Afghanistan or Sierra Leone.
- The comic "Welcome to the Jungle" happens 2 weeks before PREDATORS: there is always some conflicts in Afghanistan, as we see US Armed Forces fighting Talibans.
- The novel "Predator: Stalking Shadows" happens between 1997 and 2023, there is no mention of PREDATORS.
- In May and September 2024, Weyland Corp improves the rifling technology by tripling speed and doubling accuracy of projectiles. The company also creates the first rifle capable of tracking multiple targets from over 500km away, as well as targets' health, physique and wether they can be lock down. The patterns are classified and the products are not released yet. In PREDATORS, all characters don't have this technology yet, so the movie happens logically before or years before the date of marketing.
- The game "Predator: Hunting Grounds" seems to take place in 2025, no mention of PREDATORS, and soldiers have not yet advanced Weyland weaponery.
- In 2031, the moon's terraforming begins. Since this year, humanity can live on the moon. In PREDATORS, all characters seems to be very surprise to be not on Earth, so it must happen before.
With all that, I can concluded that PREDATORS is happening between 2018 and 2031, more likely to happen between 2025 and 2031. There is no cybernetic, android, synthetic skin or hypersleep mentions in PREDATORS, so maybe around 2025-2026.
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jun 07, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
There are always at the moment some conflicts in Chechnya, Afghanistan or Sierra Leone.
Give this man a stogie!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 07, 2020, 11:55:36 AM
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jun 07, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
There are always at the moment some conflicts in Chechnya, Afghanistan or Sierra Leone.
Give this man a stogie!
I've changed the sentence, is it better now? (English isn't my first language)
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jun 07, 2020, 02:34:14 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 07, 2020, 11:55:36 AM
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jun 07, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
There are always at the moment some conflicts in Chechnya, Afghanistan or Sierra Leone.
Give this man a stogie!
I've changed the sentence, is it better now? (English isn't my first language)
It was fine before you changed it. I was just agreeing with your statement, acknowledging it with an old American? saying "Give that man a cigar!" Except I changed it to stogie, because, well, Arnold always says stogie. :)
SpaceKase,
Yet another Stargate fan on here?! I like this place...lol! I pretty much view the original movie like the show runners did. It happened but not exactly in the same way as we saw on film so Abydos isn't in another galaxy. I have the movie sequel books and comics but I've not read them. Hicks already said I should check them out so I guess that's two votes in that column. As for the timeline, here's a link. Be gentle...lol
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Nofs-Jr3WTmHroz58z3ZiJPpXhRUs1x7HTb3-_GJ7A/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Nofs-Jr3WTmHroz58z3ZiJPpXhRUs1x7HTb3-_GJ7A/edit?usp=sharing)
The main bulk is all centered around the TV show continuity. It encompasses the TV shows, comics, books, games and RPG material revolving around the SGC. The first sheet includes everything and the Fandemonium Legacy novels (Atlantis Season 6). The second is the same but with the American Mythology comics (Atlantis season 6 and Universe season 3) instead of the Legacy novels. And the third ignores both Fandemonium and American Mythology and instead adds in the plot / script ideas that Mallozzi has shared on his blog for Atlantis and Universe as well as the Atlantis Extinction movie and the SG-1 Revelations movie. Then the fourth is other timelines; movie sequels, Infinity and the theme park ride. Been awhile since I worked on this one so I think I have some stuff to add still. May have to finish it up now...
Did you watch Origins by chance?
Agent Aztlan,
That is some awesome work. I may have to rethink the placement of Predators now. Between you and SM I'm not sure why I'm doing this timeline project! Oh well, great excuse to re-read the comics anyway...lol
I always viewed Nolan's comments about the Super Predators taking a special interest when prey killed one of them as a nice precursor, even if unintentional, to the plot of The Predator. Since the Super Predators seemed kind of rogue anyway in some ways it made sense to me that they could be using the preserve planet to find good specimens to harvest DNA from. Then the next step was experimenting on normal Predators (The Fugitive) and then on themselves. Kind of helps make the Assassin Predator's large size make more sense, to me at least.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 07, 2020, 03:29:16 PM
It was fine before you changed it. I was just agreeing with your statement, acknowledging it with an old American? saying "Give that man a cigar!" Except I changed it to stogie, because, well, Arnold always says stogie. :)
My bad! Thank you!
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Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jun 07, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
Hey, I'm new here and I'm fond of timelines since many years.
I'm doing an Alien-AvP-Predator movies timeline since some months now, including all movies, official comics, official novels and official games... Predator: Hunting Grounds OWLF recordings and Dutch's tapes were of good help to increase it.
- PREDATORS can't be set before 2010 because the Elcan Digital Hunter scope of Isabelle was released in 2010.
[...]
- In 2031, the moon's terraforming begins. Since this year, humanity can live on the moon. In PREDATORS, all characters seems to be very surprise to be not on Earth, so it must happen before.
With all that, I can concluded that PREDATORS is happening between 2018 and 2031, more likely to happen between 2025 and 2031. There is no cybernetic, android, synthetic skin or hypersleep mentions in PREDATORS, so maybe around 2025-2026.
A laudable goal man, you're in good company, that digital rifle scope thing is a legit solid perameter and a very nice catch, the only thing I'd call into question are all your references to a lack of evidence regarding Predators. Basically, as far as anyone on Earth would be aware these are all just unexplained missing persons over the span of at least 20 years (Nolan onward). And the Shane Black comment is pretty iffy since there's so little info regarding his thoughts outside of that one comment in one interview so far, and in the case of Predators he's not even referring to his own film. So like, there's so little hard evidence to go on outside of Isabelle's recollections and that nice Scope call you made.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 07, 2020, 03:38:32 PM
SpaceKase,
Yet another Stargate fan on here?! I like this place...lol! [...]
Yes and no, I feel like that would be too bold a claim in my case. I'm certainly a fan of the Film and the aforementioned novel series from the film's creators, and I really loved SGU actually. But, it's a biiiig franchise and I've gotta rein myself in on some stuff because, as one might note, I've got some obsession issues and its far to easy for me to fall down rabbit holes.... Or, I guess naquadah-powered wormholes.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 07, 2020, 03:38:32 PM
As for the timeline, here's a link. Be gentle...lol
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Nofs-Jr3WTmHroz58z3ZiJPpXhRUs1x7HTb3-_GJ7A/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Nofs-Jr3WTmHroz58z3ZiJPpXhRUs1x7HTb3-_GJ7A/edit?usp=sharing)
That's legit man, I look forward to checking it out soon! It might be a little bit though, gotta pace myself for life preservation purposes, I've got some serious trouble with obsessive compulsions. Out of curiosity though, have you got the future stuff from the StarGate Infinity cartoon in there as well?
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 07, 2020, 03:38:32 PM
[...] Then the fourth is other timelines; movie sequels, Infinity and the theme park ride. Been awhile since I worked on this one so I think I have some stuff to add still. May have to finish it up now...
Did you watch Origins by chance?
Oh dang, I spoke too soon, there you go! I bow to your completionist diligence, sir! I'm
Well impressed. I haven't gotten to check out Origins yet though, no, that's the webseries set in the 1930's right? Is it worth a watch? If so we may want to take this convo to a different thread.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 07, 2020, 03:38:32 PM
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I always viewed Nolan's comments about the Super Predators taking a special interest when prey killed one of them as a nice precursor, even if unintentional, to the plot of The Predator. Since the Super Predators seemed kind of rogue anyway in some ways it made sense to me that they could be using the preserve planet to find good specimens to harvest DNA from. Then the next step was experimenting on normal Predators (The Fugitive) and then on themselves. Kind of helps make the Assassin Predator's large size make more sense, to me at least.
That is also an intriguing observation, I always thought of the Upgrade trio as a group of rich Yautja clan assholes who are poaching the sacred hunt worlds of other clans so they can have their own douchey private game preserve so they can shoot fish in a barrel. Kinda like the asshat elites who've got season passes to West World, or the Bohemian Grove up here in NorCal.
But this idea you present of a clan using the world as essentially a distillery to cull the best of the best and then harvest the winners genes, and l33t themselves out even more excessively, that seems sacrilegious as hell. Some real pretty 1% privileged Royal Yaut clan shit. I'm all for teaming up with the other Yautja clans to take these 'roided-out giant mutant crabf**ks down. I'm picturing the Preserve World as some elaborate gated community now...
Elysium...(Also, we really gotta start phasing out this 'super predators' name, history will not reflect kindly on upon it, I think.)
Quote- PREDATORS can't be set before 2010 because the Elcan Digital Hunter scope of Isabelle was released in 2010.
That's a nice pull. I'm curious though as they shot the film entirely in 2009? Could it be an earlier model?
QuoteBetween you and SM I'm not sure why I'm doing this timeline project!
Because different eyes notice different things. :)
Quote from: SM on Jun 07, 2020, 10:57:48 PM
Quote- PREDATORS can't be set before 2010 because the Elcan Digital Hunter scope of Isabelle was released in 2010.
That's a nice pull. I'm curious though as they shot the film entirely in 2009? Could it be an earlier model?
Maybe it's like the super future-y, cutting edge laser scopes the LAPD had on all their sidearms in Predator 2.
Garber: "Weapons of the Future! The best technology! Load 'em up, blow 'em away!"Legends Inc: Legendary Tech, Legendary Power
Quote from: SM
Quote- PREDATORS can't be set before 2010 because the Elcan Digital Hunter scope of Isabelle was released in 2010.
That's a nice pull. I'm curious though as they shot the film entirely in 2009? Could it be an earlier model?
The filming started September 28 and finished November 1st 2009, and I think the scope was released in March 2010.
The production surely had access to visuals of the scope... And you know, digital is the future :laugh:
Quote from: SpaceKase
Maybe it's like the super future-y, cutting edge laser scopes the LAPD had on all their sidearms in Predator 2.
Garber: "Weapons of the Future! The best technology! Load 'em up, blow 'em away!"
Legends Inc: Legendary Tech, Legendary Power
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Haha, sadly, I don't think "Drug War" is canon. On the anthology, it's written "
Inspired by the events of the original Predator movies, graphic novels and novels" + "All-new tales from the
Expanded Predator Universe".
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jun 08, 2020, 10:00:49 AM
Quote from: SM
Quote- PREDATORS can't be set before 2010 because the Elcan Digital Hunter scope of Isabelle was released in 2010.
That's a nice pull. I'm curious though as they shot the film entirely in 2009? Could it be an earlier model?
The filming started September 28 and finished November 1st 2009, and I think the scope was released in March 2010.
The production surely had access to visuals of the scope... And you know, digital is the future :laugh:
Quote from: SpaceKase
Maybe it's like the super future-y, cutting edge laser scopes the LAPD had on all their sidearms in Predator 2.
Garber: "Weapons of the Future! The best technology! Load 'em up, blow 'em away!"
Legends Inc: Legendary Tech, Legendary Power
[/u][/b]
Haha, sadly, I don't think "Drug War" is canon. On the anthology, it's written "Inspired by the events of the original Predator movies, graphic novels and novels" + "All-new tales from the Expanded Predator Universe".
Your canon or
mine, joker?! Sheeeit, boy...
SpaceKase,
I get the obsessive urge to consume all parts of a franchise all too well. It's taking all my willpower not to mass buy Predator comics and novels I've missed these last few years. If you liked Universe you should check out the season 3 comic American Mythology did. Not great by any means but it does try and move the story forward. Sadly it seems they will not being doing any more of them. But you can get a TPB on Amazon for like $20 i think.
As for Origins, yeah its the 1930s series that was online for awhile. It's not bad, definitely works better watched as one movie instead of weekly 10 minute episodes. It tries to be a prequel to both the movie and SG-1 but it has some issues which the fans jumped all over real quick. Sadly the MGM site did have some Mission Files that were released after each webisode that did a great job tieing all three together and clearing up the issues. I'm sure those are gone now as the Stargate Command service is long gone. Luckily I archive this kind of stuff so I have copies...lol. Anyway, worth a watch. I think it might be on Prime and iTunes to buy / rent. But, like you said, we can continue this discussion via PM or in another thread so as to not bore everyone else! lol
The Super Predators being 1% Yautja jerks is a hilarious idea! And I agree, they need a better name for sure. Be nice is NECA expaned their lore some more but I doubt they have any releases for them planned. Not much else to do with them unless they make some of the unproduced Kenner Predators part of their group. Hopefully Hunting Grounds keeps building the lore and connecting the dots like they've done so far.
SM
Very true, in this thread alone we've seen numerous takes on the placement of just two movies, all of which have valid evidence backing them up.
As for canon discussions, well, those can get lively! I always try to cram everything that doesn't contradict other stuff too much in for completionists sake.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 08, 2020, 01:59:42 PM
SpaceKase,
I get the obsessive urge to consume all parts of a franchise all too well. It's taking all my willpower not to mass buy Predator comics and novels I've missed these last few years.
Don't fight that feeling! Give in to your darkside. Just don't read them all too quickly, because once you get caught up to early 2020... gratification becomes painfully delayed... Everything put out in recent years has been too cool. But let me know if you find any decently priced copies of the four "Dark Horse Press" Predator novels, I've been itching to check them out for soooo long.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 08, 2020, 01:59:42 PM
If you liked Universe you should check out the season 3 comic American Mythology did. Not great by any means but it does try and move the story forward. Sadly it seems they will not being doing any more of them. But you can get a TPB on Amazon for like $20 i think.
Egads, i took one look at the art and ran the other way. My poor little heart can only take so much. It's like the disastrous graphic novel adaptation of The No Home Boys all over again... Its all too soon, just too soon.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 08, 2020, 01:59:42 PM
As for Origins [...] we can continue this discussion via PM or in another thread so as to not bore everyone else! lol
Yeah man, I look forward to checking it out. Start up a thread and you know I'll be piping in, until then, Keep it real, Jaffa.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 08, 2020, 01:59:42 PM
The Super Predators being 1% Yautja jerks is a hilarious idea! And I agree, they need a better name for sure. Be nice is NECA expaned their lore some more but I doubt they have any releases for them planned. Not much else to do with them unless they make some of the unproduced Kenner Predators part of their group. Hopefully Hunting Grounds keeps building the lore and connecting the dots like they've done so far.
Mad agreed! Is all the NECA lore detailed and collected somewhere? Besides just along with the figures, I mean?
Quote from: SpaceKase on Jun 09, 2020, 02:08:46 AM
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 08, 2020, 01:59:42 PM
The Super Predators being 1% Yautja jerks is a hilarious idea! And I agree, they need a better name for sure. Be nice is NECA expaned their lore some more but I doubt they have any releases for them planned. Not much else to do with them unless they make some of the unproduced Kenner Predators part of their group. Hopefully Hunting Grounds keeps building the lore and connecting the dots like they've done so far.
Mad agreed! Is all the NECA lore detailed and collected somewhere? Besides just along with the figures, I mean?
We started a thread in the predator merchandise sub forum to post the card backs and other goodies in. Some of them, especially the Kenner homages, have some good bios. And apparently it's all part of the predator lore book with the exception of the Alpha Predator bio.
QuoteThe filming started September 28 and finished November 1st 2009, and I think the scope was released in March 2010.
The production surely had access to visuals of the scope... And you know, digital is the future
And they've discontinued it apparently. ;D
I found a review of the scope dating back to 2005, so I don't know if there were different models?
I was watching Predators: Moments of Extraction on YouTube and Cuchillo's story says he was 12 in 1954 meaning he was born in 1942 and 68 in 2010 when Predators was released. Danny Trejo was born in 1944. Based on this I think moving Predators past 2018, or even past 2010, doesn't really work based on Danny's age and appearance in the movie itself. Thoughts?
You can't judge something like age by appearance, for one. Health, beauty products, genetics, they all play a part there. Danny is holding up pretty good these days, too.
Quote from: SM on Jun 09, 2020, 02:40:40 AM
I found a review of the scope dating back to 2005, so I don't know if there were different models?
I think I found your review: https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2005/feb/27/digital-rifle-sight-isnt-picture-perfect
Elcan showed the first prototype during a 2005 convention, but not released until summer 2005... But it was a series 1, not the one in Predators ;)
Quote from: lightsyder on Jun 10, 2020, 08:26:34 PM
I was watching Predators: Moments of Extraction on YouTube and Cuchillo's story says he was 12 in 1954 meaning he was born in 1942 and 68 in 2010 when Predators was released. Danny Trejo was born in 1944. Based on this I think moving Predators past 2018, or even past 2010, doesn't really work based on Danny's age and appearance in the movie itself. Thoughts?
Glad that you talk about it! This motion comic can have good infos.
Knowing the Predators have superior technology than humans and that Sir Peter Weyland created hypersleep pods in 2030, Predators must have it before... So why not kidnap interesting preys and wake them up later for a hunt party?
If we look at the Isabelle's story (in the motion comic), we can see she has her rifle and scope since her training. She looks like 15-16 in her training, and Alice Braga (the actress) was 26 during Predators, sooo Predators must happens in the 2020s minimum.
the motion comic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQbXLV7by7Q
Again, in the comic adaptation of PREDATORS, there is a prologue where Isabelle is fighting the Lord's Resistance Army in Guatemala. Except, until now, the LRA are only in Africa, not Central America... so in the 2020s, LRA will have certainly terrorists in Central America ^^
You guys do realize that the timeline wasn't thought out in advance by the moviemakers and all the details you find are just accidental and have no real value?
Like the moon thing, well, we can say that in the movie universe, full moon happened on halloween 2018, just like aliens came to earth and Thomas Jane doesnt exist in that universe. It doesnt mean anything.
There is no real continuity.
Yeah, so what?
This is a fan forum.
This is how we do.
In that case its fine, I thought for a moment you were implying literal intention
Nah, we are just looking for elements that can be used even if unintentional which most are. It's all part of the fun and research!
Agent Aztlan,
Isabelle's age does complicate things as well. Cryo sleep is a solid explanation. Any good info come from the comics prequels and sequel? I haven't tracked down copies of those yet...
The timeline wasn't thought in advance, but each new movie (and tie-in products) work around it and develop it (a concrete example can be all the OWLF recordings and Dutch tapes in Predator: Hunting Grounds).
And creative development in 20th Century (Fox) has already some future checkpoints in their timeline, thanks to the Alien franchise (for example, the big Weyland Industries timeline).
@lightsyder: The movie adaptation gives a prologue on Earth to Isabelle and then we follow her thoughts during all the adaptation. The 2 prequels are centered around Royce and Noland. The sequel is about 2 weeks after the movie, Royce and Isabelle always try to find a way to leave and they fight a new Predator.
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jun 11, 2020, 01:21:40 PM
The timeline wasn't thought in advance, but each new movie (and tie-in products) work around it and develop it (a concrete example can be all the OWLF recordings and Dutch tapes in Predator: Hunting Grounds).
And creative development in 20th Century (Fox) has already some future checkpoints in their timeline, thanks to the Alien franchise (for example, the big Weyland Industries timeline).
@lightsyder: The movie adaptation gives a prologue on Earth to Isabelle and then we follow her thoughts during all the adaptation. The 2 prequels are centered around Royce and Noland. The sequel is about 2 weeks after the movie, Royce and Isabelle always try to find a way to leave and they fight a new Predator.
Thanks Agent! Sounds interesting. I'll have to continue the hunt...
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jun 07, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
The company also creates the first rifle capable of tracking multiple targets from over 500km away, as well as targets' health, physique and wether they can be lock down.
I'm 100% sure I remember this from the Weyland timeline and it isn't a typo (at least on your part), and I'm 100% sure that I need to put my foot down on this nonsense too.
QuoteAnd creative development in 20th Century (Fox) has already some future checkpoints in their timeline, thanks to the Alien franchise (for example, the big Weyland Industries timeline).
Predator and AvP weren't beholden to the Alien timeline and I don't imagine any future Predator or AvP film is beholden to the Alien timeline (particularly one that hasn't been depicted in a film such as the Weyland Industries timeline).
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 11, 2020, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jun 07, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
The company also creates the first rifle capable of tracking multiple targets from over 500km away, as well as targets' health, physique and wether they can be lock down.
I'm 100% sure I remember this from the Weyland timeline and it isn't a typo (at least on your part), and I'm 100% sure that I need to put my foot down on this nonsense too.
Put your foot down?
It's not the firing distance, but the tracking: you mark targets in your scope and you can follow these targets in a 500km zone (certainly with satellite). ;D