My sincere apologies if that has been posted already, only saw it minutes ago on YouTube, had a quick look and didn't see so just had to post this. I don't even know if it's genuine, does anyone know, it's almost a bit too hilarious to be real, you tell me....what do you think???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK684Ti1KyI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK684Ti1KyI#ws)
I really like it. But the question is what did he say? I think that David will answer that in the full scene.
Oh god. It's a genuine excerpt from the deleted scene "The Engineer Speaks", to advertise the upcoming blu-ray release.
Looks silly as f**k.
goddamn it
Quote from: Cvalda on Sep 17, 2012, 07:28:19 PM
Oh god. It's a genuine excerpt from the deleted scene "The Engineer Speaks", to advertise the upcoming blu-ray release.
Looks silly as f**k.
Couldn't agree more Cvalda! To be honest I hurriedly posted it thinking it was probably a joke, but someone already got back to me on facebook .....apparently it's genuine!! (did things just get better or worse) :-\
Considering this is 20 seconds of a 4 minute scene, hopefully it is less silly in context, but damn. Ridley Scott dwells on the mystery of the Space Jockey for 33 years, and the best he comes up with is a pissed off professional wrestler in a biomech leotard. Lulz.
I don't like the movement of his head while he speaks, but the voice and language sounds ok. And it makes much more sense that he answers before killing everyone.
Yeah i can see why this was cut. :D
His acting is still better then Naomi Rapace.
Good news is it looks like the bluray extras will be online soon enough. Meaning I can avoid buying a bluray player/PS 3 for a while longer.
Quote from: fiveways on Sep 17, 2012, 07:43:44 PM
His acting is still better then Naomi Rapace.
Please. Her facial expressions alone in this 20 second clip wipe the floor with the rest of the cast bar Fassbender.
And it's
Noomi.
I'm hoping this is just the worst 12 seconds of the full scene or that it's better in context.
Quote from: Cvalda on Sep 17, 2012, 07:45:02 PM
Quote from: fiveways on Sep 17, 2012, 07:43:44 PM
His acting is still better then Naomi Rapace.
Please. Her facial expressions alone in this 20 second clip wipe the floor with the rest of the cast bar Fassbender and Theron.
And it's Noomi.
Fixed. ;D
The original scene doesn't make any sense, so hopefully the full version will feel more real.
I don't see what's so bad, he just looks pissed, at least we'll know why he goes hulk mode on them.
Quote from: RiddleMeTheus on Sep 17, 2012, 07:45:16 PM
Fixed. ;D
Theron struggles with her crappy dialogue too much and doesn't sell it a good majority of the time (not really her fault).
..it just looks too over the top...
Dude definitely wasnt hired for his acting habilities :P Scene needed subtler acting...
The voice is fine, though.
Yeah, I find it rather hilarious. We go from Kane chestbursting to...well...that.
Quote from: Cvalda on Sep 17, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: RiddleMeTheus on Sep 17, 2012, 07:45:16 PM
Fixed. ;D
Theron struggles with her crappy dialogue too much and doesn't sell it a good majority of the time (not really her fault).
Well, everyone had crappy dialogue and I think Theron, Fassbender and Rapace all sell it well.
Quote from: Cvalda on Sep 17, 2012, 07:45:02 PM
Quote from: fiveways on Sep 17, 2012, 07:43:44 PM
His acting is still better then Naomi Rapace.
Please. Her facial expressions alone in this 20 second clip wipe the floor with the rest of the cast bar Fassbender.
And it's Noomi.
I think she is terrible. I turned off the girl with the dragon tattoo 20 minutes in because her acting drove me insane. So unless she is constantly given crappy dialog I think she just kinda sucks.
Put it this way, she left such a lasting impact that I forgot how to spell her name.
Fassbender was the only one who sold me on his character.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Sep 17, 2012, 07:49:36 PM
Dude definitely wasnt hired for his acting habilities :P Scene needed subtler acting...
I just hope he puts the pile driver on Weyland. I mean, they're already in an arena--all that's missing is a couple hundred cheering rednecks.
Quote from: Cvalda on Sep 17, 2012, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Sep 17, 2012, 07:49:36 PM
Dude definitely wasnt hired for his acting habilities :P Scene needed subtler acting...
I just hope he puts the pile driver on Weyland. I mean, they're already in an arena--all that's missing is a couple hundred cheering rednecks.
wrestling fans > predator fans.
:)
Perhaps you would be awed if he started to sing trololo..
why open a new topic for this?
cool scene, though the original is much more misterious, well we will see how this is works
4 minutes of dialog is all I want from this scene, please!
Same dialog as in the Weyland SDCC phone thingy I think.
- Deafgjkelfuuafeufeeeuaujaeéufktakesé! - Engineer
- What did he say? What did he say? - Weyland
- I told him you wanted to live forever. - David
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
- You idiot piece of crap! I was asking what did HE say not you! - Weyland
ENGINEER: Dea fgjkel fuua feu feee uau jae éuf ktakesé!
WEYLAND: What did he say...what did he say?
DAVID: He said "buy the feckin' Blu-Ray/DVD release like everyone else!!!!"
I guess we need to see the full clip to judge it properly.
I'm hoping that it plays out like this:
Enginer: "Oooaaa noran eeda marumkat kankarsde!"
Weyland: "What did he say?"
David: "I told him you want to live forever and he said, "*translates*..."
*Some more dialogue between the Engineer and David*
*David says something that pisses the Engineer off*
*Engineer unleashes rage*
Well, that was......underwhelming.
I trwouht whis schwene es
Aw sowrry I gowffa--
*Barfs*
I'd have to see the whole scene to judge.
I wanted the scene to be a bit longer in the theatrical, but I always did think it was best if it didn't speak, to preserve the mystery.
I think that Ian Whyte did a really great job.
I am always looking forward to him "Engineering".. :D
There is nothing wrong with this scene... ::) Everybody's a critic nowadays...
As is the case in a lot of movies, creating a new language and presenting that language well is fraught with difficulties, not least of which is whether or not it sounds goofy.
I think this scene is fine. It certainly reminds me of something from Star Wars on Tattooine. The full scene will answer the questions a lot of people on the internet have been so ridiculously vocal about: what did David say? and Why was the Engineer so angry?
You've only a seen a brief clip. So don't judge so harshly. Anyway, I honestly didn't have a problem with the way the Engineer talks. I'm glad they left it out but it should make for a very fun deleted scene.
Did Weyland want to live forever in the movie?
I probably forgot but i just thought he wanted to extend his life a bit more.
Because wanting to live forever just makes this whole thing tremendously silly.
The reason they cut it, though, is to not only preserve the mystery of the Engineer but keep the question hanging of what was said. I think that was smart. But I do think the scene could've been extended in another way.
Still, it'll be interesting to see how it played before the editing.
Quote from: Alexx on Sep 17, 2012, 08:45:35 PM
There is nothing wrong with this scene... ::) Everybody's a critic nowadays...
Everyone has a different opinion. Imagine that. ::)
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 17, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
Because wanting to live forever just makes this whole thing tremendously silly.
Yes, because no prominent world leader in human history has ever wanted that. ::)
Quote from: BANE on Sep 17, 2012, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 17, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
Because wanting to live forever just makes this whole thing tremendously silly.
Yes, because no prominent world leader in human history has ever wanted that. ::)
Which was the last "prominent world leader" that wanted that?
Some Egyptian Pharaoh?
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 17, 2012, 09:05:06 PM
Quote from: BANE on Sep 17, 2012, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 17, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
Because wanting to live forever just makes this whole thing tremendously silly.
Yes, because no prominent world leader in human history has ever wanted that. ::)
Which was the last "prominent world leader" that wanted that?
Some Egyptian Pharaoh?
I thought Peter Weyland was simply chariman of Weyland Industries, how does that make him a world leader?
I'd probably guess the Spanish or some such and the Fountain of Youth stuff, but I'm far too disinterested to Google it. But to this day there are still scientists studying ageing in an attempt to discover the secret of immortality. :-\
So not really far fetched. Besides, he was 100 something and didn't have much to lose, but everything to gain.
Quote from: BANE on Sep 17, 2012, 09:10:10 PM
I'd probably guess the Spanish or some such and the Fountain of Youth stuff, but I'm far too disinterested to Google it. But to this day there are still scientists studying ageing in an attempt to discover the secret of immortality. :-\
So not really far fetched. Besides, he was 100 something and didn't have much to lose, but everything to gain.
Searching of ways to live LONGER is totally different that wanting to be IMMORTAL.
Weyland thinking that these aliens have some alien tech/medicine that could extend his life is fine but going out there to look for immortality is just too much. That crosses the line into being some sort of super villain.
It turns the movie into some sort of Indiana Jones-type of adventure.
Well, technically he asks for 'More Life'...Might just be him wanting an extension on his warranty.
Quote from: BANE on Sep 17, 2012, 09:17:33 PM
Well, technically he asks for 'More Life'...Might just be him wanting an extension on his warranty.
I'm talking about this clip where Dave says that he asked about living forever.
We know the movie was changed around so im wondering if there was a version where he just wanted immortality.
I'm guessing the Engineer said something like this: "This mortal dares to challenge his God?!" The engineer probably viewed the idea of a human attaining immortal life (something the Engineer probably has already) as a threat to his species.
doubt this as in the alternate opening there are elder engineers aswell
Well at first I really did think this was a joke, however it is pretty awesome. I don't get why people are so butt-broken by it.
LV223 was basically Kansas. Where America has missile silo bases and strategic air bombers all ready to go on a moments notice. The engineer was the yes man who would always push that big red button. The cave art was a warning that was misinterpreted, ala alien, by a dumb ass scientist.
I bet he said, why did you come here for f**ks sake!
I smell a "what did your engineer say" thread coming on. :laugh:
Sick as f**k
Is this only for Bluray?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 17, 2012, 11:05:27 PM
I bet he said, why did you come here for f**ks sake!
dont left invitation next time....or it was a warnirng? "dont come HERE" XD
Might be better in context, but it looked kind of goofy, to be honest. While this was interesting, I think I preferred the more ambiguous version from the theatrical cut.
Apart from the alternate Vickers/Weyland scene and a potential deleted scene where Shaw tells the crew about the Trilobite, I'm beginning to think that the TC will be my preferred cut (assuming that there is an extended one down the line), because this really isn't necessary, I honestly don't need an extended Shaw vs Engineer fight (thought it was fine as is, and I don't want to see the Engineer underpowered), and the opening scene was perfectly fine with just one Engineer.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 18, 2012, 12:07:39 AMI honestly don't need an extended Shaw vs Engineer fight (thought it was fine as is, and I don't want to see the Engineer underpowered), and the opening scene was perfectly fine with just one Engineer.
I want to see her beat down the engineer with an ax. Would help explain the ax marks on his kneecaps. :laugh:
I used to be an Engineer, but then I took an ax...
No, never mind. Those never really were funny.
This would be cool if it is an actual ancient language, I believe Sumerian? If it is just made up, then yes this is stupid.
Quote from: eyeballkid on Sep 18, 2012, 01:06:01 AM
This would be cool if it is an actual ancient language, I believe Sumerian? If it is just made up, then yes this is stupid.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe it was derived from something real, with some variations, of course. I seem to recall an article being discussed here by a professor or something who saw the footage.
Anyone have the link?
I don't have a link, but I'm pretty sure David understood ancient languages before the mission started, just in case.
Look through AVPG's news archive. There was a professor (the one that portrayed the video lessons David was having during the rest of the crew's sleep, in fact) who translated what David said the the engineer. This shows that David was really speaking a real language - making it more than likely the Engineer here is speaking Sumerian as well.
That's what I thought, makes it more believable in my opinion. I kinda like it.
What David says to the Engineer:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44511.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44511.0)
The Alien universe becomes a little less alien. :(
Dunno how I feel about this. He just sort of sounds exactly how most people have depicted demons/gods speaking, nothing really special about it. Sort of a generic and underwhelming "raagh, i am a bald man with an agressive and epicy sounding voice!" type thing, to be honest. And als, it's odd seeing this an 'alien' movie, although it really isn't an alien movie as has been stated. I think I preferred the theatrical cut where he doesn't speak. Time will tell.
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 18, 2012, 03:32:25 AM
The Alien universe becomes a little less alien. :(
A truer statment was never posted on this forum. :'(
Quote from: RiddleMeTheus on Sep 18, 2012, 02:08:45 AM
What David says to the Engineer:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44511.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44511.0)
Nice, is there any way to find what the Engineer said in return?
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 18, 2012, 03:32:25 AM
The Alien universe becomes a little less alien. :(
A
little?
And just for this scene?
This sequence is only the pinnacle of what rendered the universe less
Alien -- the very roots of this film.
Going to reiterate what I've said before and predict that after everyone's seen the deleted scenes, there shall be lots of apathy, nodding of heads and, "Yeah, can see why Ridley Scott edited all that stuff out, honestly." :)
Something like, "You dare to wake me and blah blah blah blah"
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 18, 2012, 05:38:13 AM
Going to reiterate what I've said before and predict that after everyone's seen the deleted scenes, there shall be lots of apathy, nodding of heads and, "Yeah, can see why Ridley Scott edited all that stuff out, honestly." :)
Maybe. But I personally like all the deleted scenes I've seen so far.
I just want to know what he says, other then that..next scene!
Quote from: Vepariga on Sep 18, 2012, 06:06:54 AM
I just want to know what he says, other then that..next scene!
Spoiler
He asks Weyland why he wants to live forever. Before that he asks David why they are there.
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 06:13:51 AM
Quote from: Vepariga on Sep 18, 2012, 06:06:54 AM
I just want to know what he says, other then that..next scene!
Spoiler
He asks Weyland why he wants to live forever. Before that he asks David why they are there.
Really? That simple, eh?
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Sep 18, 2012, 06:20:53 AM
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 06:13:51 AM
Quote from: Vepariga on Sep 18, 2012, 06:06:54 AM
I just want to know what he says, other then that..next scene!
Spoiler
He asks Weyland why he wants to live forever. Before that he asks David why they are there.
Really? That simple, eh?
Yeah, pretty simple. The engineer just stood there peacefully until the very end of the scene.
I liked it. I could have done without his fist pumping. But the voice sounded just like the recorded voices in the hologram that David witnessed in the control chair ... only more outraged.
There's some scenes I've seen I'd want back in. Most of the ones I've seen so far - only a handful - no.
I would've liked the Engineer scene extended, but not with more talking. He's scarier when he doesn't talk. Sometimes less is more. I felt the same with parts of the extended Vickers/Weyland scene - there's some nice stuff there but some of it is just too nail on head, so I see why they cut it down.
I sure hope someone puts together a version of Prometheus with all the deleted scenes added in, so we can watch it in it's full glory without having to see the deleted scenes out of context.
I think I have been able to translate what the Engineer says.
Spoiler
"I am a god, you dull creature!"Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lqml1k8KTp1qa96fx.gif&hash=9419dd7aa9ed93665a796d9f8881fcc61bcfa269)
I kind of like the snippet as it implies (from Fassbender's delivery) that Michael is indeed sabotaging the translation/conversation. Living for ever may very well be Weylands intention, but you wouldn't tell a 'superbeing' that... not on a first date anyways. ;)
I remember that the engineer spoke to the other in a hologram. His voice was hard to hear.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 18, 2012, 05:38:13 AM
Going to reiterate what I've said before and predict that after everyone's seen the deleted scenes, there shall be lots of apathy, nodding of heads and, "Yeah, can see why Ridley Scott edited all that stuff out, honestly." :)
Words of Wisdom,
Xenomorphine my man.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F30.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lp5iniweO81qmmrpjo1_500.gif&hash=63c9747979e34d196f2c385807bd6f15036e5fc9)
Words of Wisdom.
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene)
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene)
Seriously, what was Ridley thinking? All the scenes I've seen so far, including this one, should have been left in.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi246.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg119%2Fandrea_faustine%2FCartoon%2520Gifs%2FAndy-Disappointed.gif&hash=d535cb63f7ff75a9808cb29b7824db1e2835324b)
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene)
And now we begin to understand the engineer's reaction !
Well go figure, maybe after the full 4min that scene might start to make sense....
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene)
Now that kind of reminded me of some silly WWE skit.
Also, don't tell me the engineer learned English in half a minute.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 18, 2012, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene)
Now that kind of reminded me of some silly WWE skit.
Also, don't tell me the engineer learned English in half a minute.
That's why David is there... to translate.
He didn't speak english but maybe he understood it well enough to be pissed about some lower being, being able to create "life". Just like the predator does minus the mimicing.
Interesting stuff.
Damn.. that was a nice little scene with Weyland...
"Gods never die".
The f**k was Ridley thinking? facepalm... bad call, bad call...
The little soliloquy by Weyland I might not mind, but it's also a tad on the nose - like the over-long version of the Vickers/Weyland scene. I have to see the full Engineer scene, which is clearly longer than the scraps leaking online.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Sep 18, 2012, 03:03:41 PM
Damn.. that was a nice little scene with Weyland...
"Gods never die".
The f**k was Ridley thinking? facepalm... bad call, bad call...
Indeed. Lots of bad calls by Ridley on Prometheus. :'(
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Sep 18, 2012, 03:06:36 PM
The little soliloquy by Weyland I might not mind, but it's also a tad on the nose - like the over-long version of the Vickers/Weyland scene. I have to see the full Engineer scene, which is clearly longer than the scraps leaking online.
While I respect your opinion, I think all the deleted scenes released so far add some kind of value to the film.
And you really think the Vickers and Weyland scene is
over-long?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_losxd2UAKn1qc24g0.gif&hash=18322602c230f8fe113c4d90ba016ad8986abc48)
Just listened to more of the audio commentary and Ridley Scott mentions that the Engineer was "maybe insulted that a non-human was talking to him" and hence why he decapitates David.
Ugh, some of this shit really shouldn't be extras on a blu-ray package. They should be in the final film. There have been three scenes so far that I think would have improved Prometheus (Vickers/ Weyland, Shaw/ Holloway, Weyland/ Engineer). The ball has been well and truly dropped here.
Ridley himself admitted that the version we saw in the theaters was the vision he preferred for the film itself. Does it even matter what the Engineer says then??? or is it just fodder to sell Blu-Ray/DVDs from FOX?
Besides, I doubt that whatever the Engineer says can be that profound given the fact that he resorts to violence to solve it's problem (whatever that can be) in less than four minutes. This is clearly not the intelligent being that we were lead to believe it was. It's more like a raging hulk that has no control over its own "assumed" intelligence and resorts to violence within mere minutes. Who cares what it says; Ridley's Engineer is simply a "movie monster," not a "god."
Quote from: RiddleMeTheus on Sep 18, 2012, 03:09:48 PM
While I respect your opinion, I think all the deleted scenes released so far add some kind of value to the film.
I love a lot of deleted material I see for films, but oftentimes with movies there's also stuff you'll find which you can see why it got cut - either because it was extraneous, or ill-advised, or spells out too much or becomes redundant. More is not always better. For example, I think the scene with Vickers and David bickering over comm for half a minute as she heads down to torch Holloway is a pointless bit. Oh, Vickers made another jibe and alluded to the subplot we've already clearly seen David engaged in - it really adds nothing and is just a needless moment. And while some of the stuff I've seen I really like and would've liked to see back in, I think other pieces I've seen kind of trod the same ground a bit too much. Fifield and Millburn with the shed skin, too - it really adds almost nothing but an
Alien callback, which the people who dislike the film would've slammed as pandering. It also doesn't get explicated on or proven out with the monster - I never got the sense the hammerpede shed its skin.
QuoteAnd you really think the Vickers and Weyland scene is over-long?
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_losxd2UAKn1qc24g0.gif
Yes, criminally overused Oprah gif, I do. I think part of it is good, but then I think it starts banging the drum too much, hitting the same beat over and over on poor dear daughter Meredith in the way
Lost too often did with its dreadfully terrible characters and their emo family feelings. She just talks and talks and speechifies once she crosses to him, and I got a little bored. I see why they stripped it down. When I write I often am trying to pare my own stuff down. I find there's sometimes more deft power in that - just watching a daughter kiss her father's hand and watching it curl into a fist. I think they could've kept a little more of that in the final cut, but no, not all of it. And I love Vickers, so that's saying something for me.
I don't get why it looks silly or why people think it's a joke? It looks as serious and Ernest as the rest of the film.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Sep 18, 2012, 04:15:23 PM
I don't get why it looks silly or why people think it's a joke? It looks as serious and Ernest as the rest of the film.
Therein lies part of the problem...
Quote from: Cvalda on Sep 18, 2012, 04:22:18 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Sep 18, 2012, 04:15:23 PM
I don't get why it looks silly or why people think it's a joke? It looks as serious and Ernest as the rest of the film.
Therein lies part of the problem...
+1
So pardon my naïveté.....but can you just spell it out?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Sep 18, 2012, 03:51:55 PM
Quote from: RiddleMeTheus on Sep 18, 2012, 03:09:48 PM
While I respect your opinion, I think all the deleted scenes released so far add some kind of value to the film.
I love a lot of deleted material I see for films, but oftentimes with movies there's also stuff you'll find which you can see why it got cut - either because it was extraneous, or ill-advised, or spells out too much or becomes redundant. More is not always better. For example, I think the scene with Vickers and David bickering over comm for half a minute as she heads down to torch Holloway is a pointless bit. Oh, Vickers made another jibe and alluded to the subplot we've already clearly seen David engaged in - it really adds nothing and is just a needless moment. And while some of the stuff I've seen I really like and would've liked to see back in, I think other pieces I've seen kind of trod the same ground a bit too much. Fifield and Millburn with the shed skin, too - it really adds almost nothing but an Alien callback, which the people who dislike the film would've slammed as pandering. It also doesn't get explicated on or proven out with the monster - I never got the sense the hammerpede shed its skin.
QuoteAnd you really think the Vickers and Weyland scene is over-long?
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_losxd2UAKn1qc24g0.gif
Yes, criminally overused Oprah gif, I do. I think part of it is good, but then I think it starts banging the drum too much, hitting the same beat over and over on poor dear daughter Meredith in the way Lost too often did with its dreadfully terrible characters and their emo family feelings. She just talks and talks and speechifies once she crosses to him, and I got a little bored. I see why they stripped it down. When I write I often am trying to pare my own stuff down. I find there's sometimes more deft power in that - just watching a daughter kiss her father's hand and watching it curl into a fist. I think they could've kept a little more of that in the final cut, but no, not all of it. And I love Vickers, so that's saying something for me.
Totally agree with you.... Although taking into account that there has to be enough information on screen for deleted scenes to potentially add no benefit.
Taking a different tack, that's also why I detest the extended cut of Alien Fox forced out. They put some nice stuff back in here and there - the beacon scene, even though they f**ked up the sound, or the fight with Ripley and Lambert - but the film was perfect as was. You didn't need any of that. And reinserting the fabled Dallas cocoon scene - a decent scene by itself, but clunky, awkward and shoehorned into the terrifying escape sequence at the end of the film, breaking its rhythm as well as taking away the eerie mystery of Dallas's disappearance, hence why it was dropped to begin with - was unforgivable. Worse still was the way they did it; trimming it down so it is very janky and jagged and vastly inferior to the original scene, and adding pointless music.
And the horrible Exorcist re-release - don't get me started. Everyone loves that old original ending with George C. Scott and the priest, but it wasn't truly necessary, and the way they did it and all the other stuff they put back in and "added" - oh my God.
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene)
So he got his butt kicked cause he was boasting?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Sep 18, 2012, 04:44:14 PM
Taking a different tack, that's also why I detest the extended cut of Alien Fox forced out. They put some nice stuff back in here and there - the beacon scene, even though they f**ked up the sound, or the fight with Ripley and Lambert - but the film was perfect as was. You didn't need any of that. And reinserting the fabled Dallas cocoon scene - a decent scene by itself, but clunky, awkward and shoehorned into the terrifying escape sequence at the end of the film, breaking its rhythm as well as taking away the eerie mystery of Dallas's disappearance, hence why it was dropped to begin with - was unforgivable. Worse still was the way they did it; trimming it down so it is very janky and jagged and vastly inferior to the original scene, and adding pointless music.
And the horrible Exorcist re-release - don't get me started. Everyone loves that old original ending with George C. Scott and the priest, but it wasn't truly necessary, and the way they did it and all the other stuff they put back in and "added" - oh my God.
I thought the 'spiderwalk scene' was a good addition to the re-release of the Exorcist. That was pretty damn creepy.
^ Very creepy, bro. It was only cut in the theatrical cut at the time coz the wires were visible...
No, that's not the original spider walk.
The original spider walk was a longer sequence where Regan came down the stairs, flicking her tongue at people and chased them about a bit. Friedkin thought it was too much to play that scene right on top of the shock of the news of Burke Dennings's death. The scene as it originally existed - much of it can be viewed on one of the old Special Editions - was just fine.
The version in "The Version You've Never Seen," cut down to nothing but a quick shot of the walk down the stairs, with CG blood in Regan's mouth and a goofy monster sound effect added over unnecessary music, is an abortion of the spider walk. It's awful.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Sep 18, 2012, 04:28:43 PM
So pardon my naïveté.....but can you just spell it out?
It's giving a silent imposing alien a generic "rarrgh" voice that sounds pretty generic and out of place. Then it's like, "This scene is srs, yo"
The Janek/Vickers scene is great. Haven't seen the battle or the full scene with the Engineer and Weyland yet.
Someone said it somewhere better than me, but it's clear they made a number of bargains with the studio. If they weren't going to trim the medpod scene to get a PG-13 - and thank God they didn't - they were pushed to turn in a cut as close to 2 hours as possible, which meant excising certain sequences. I understand how this happens, I understand why and how it eventually proved out for Prometheus to become a viable success. But I still would like to see an official extended cut without Fox worrying over the stove.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Sep 18, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
No, that's not the original spider walk.
The original spider walk was a longer sequence where Regan came down the stairs, flicking her tongue at people and chased them about a bit. Friedkin thought it was too much to play that scene right on top of the shock of the news of Burke Dennings's death. The scene as it originally existed - much of it can be viewed on one of the old Special Editions - was just fine.
The version in "The Version You've Never Seen," cut down to nothing but a quick shot of the walk down the stairs, with CG blood in Regan's mouth and a goofy monster sound effect added over unnecessary music, is an abortion of the spider walk. It's awful.
The spiderwalk you described sounds laughable. I'm glad they changed it.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Sep 18, 2012, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Sep 18, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
No, that's not the original spider walk.
The original spider walk was a longer sequence where Regan came down the stairs, flicking her tongue at people and chased them about a bit. Friedkin thought it was too much to play that scene right on top of the shock of the news of Burke Dennings's death. The scene as it originally existed - much of it can be viewed on one of the old Special Editions - was just fine.
The version in "The Version You've Never Seen," cut down to nothing but a quick shot of the walk down the stairs, with CG blood in Regan's mouth and a goofy monster sound effect added over unnecessary music, is an abortion of the spider walk. It's awful.
The spiderwalk you described sounds laughable. I'm glad they changed it.
Well, she flicks her tongue at people in both versions.
The scene is brief in the original, and effective, but it's not the very fast slam-bang hilarious misfire of the EXTREEEEME re-release cut. There's a reason "The Version You've Never Seen" has been disowned by fans, and it's not just all the floating heads.
ETA: The full Engineer/Weyland scene isn't bad. There's some nice tension even in the extended take. I still don't think it needs to speak. The speech Weyland gives is worth putting back in, but the Engineer speaking here doesn't work for me, really.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Sep 18, 2012, 03:51:55 PM
Quote from: RiddleMeTheus on Sep 18, 2012, 03:09:48 PM
While I respect your opinion, I think all the deleted scenes released so far add some kind of value to the film.
I love a lot of deleted material I see for films, but oftentimes with movies there's also stuff you'll find which you can see why it got cut - either because it was extraneous, or ill-advised, or spells out too much or becomes redundant. More is not always better. For example, I think the scene with Vickers and David bickering over comm for half a minute as she heads down to torch Holloway is a pointless bit. Oh, Vickers made another jibe and alluded to the subplot we've already clearly seen David engaged in - it really adds nothing and is just a needless moment. And while some of the stuff I've seen I really like and would've liked to see back in, I think other pieces I've seen kind of trod the same ground a bit too much. Fifield and Millburn with the shed skin, too - it really adds almost nothing but an Alien callback, which the people who dislike the film would've slammed as pandering. It also doesn't get explicated on or proven out with the monster - I never got the sense the hammerpede shed its skin.
Agree to disagree.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Sep 18, 2012, 03:51:55 PM
QuoteAnd you really think the Vickers and Weyland scene is over-long?
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_losxd2UAKn1qc24g0.gif
Yes, criminally overused Oprah gif, I do. I think part of it is good, but then I think it starts banging the drum too much, hitting the same beat over and over on poor dear daughter Meredith in the way Lost too often did with its dreadfully terrible characters and their emo family feelings. She just talks and talks and speechifies once she crosses to him, and I got a little bored. I see why they stripped it down. When I write I often am trying to pare my own stuff down. I find there's sometimes more deft power in that - just watching a daughter kiss her father's hand and watching it curl into a fist. I think they could've kept a little more of that in the final cut, but no, not all of it. And I love Vickers, so that's saying something for me.
First of all, that's the first time this GIF has been used on AVP Galaxy. Don't believe me, look for yourself. ;) Second of all, it's irrelevant to the discussion. And third of all...
Spoiler
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Quote from: RiddleMeTheus on Sep 18, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
First of all, that's the first time this GIF has been used on AVP Galaxy.
Oh, I was speaking more in general of the Internet running that shit into the ground long before today. But no, cliched GIF, I'm not mad in the slightest. I was just saying my piece about why I thought the Vickers/Weyland scene needed some trimming of the sappy fat. I can see why they did.
Besides, everyone knows Oprah GIFs are so spring 2012 (perhaps even 2010). We're onto Romney.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Sep 18, 2012, 07:25:57 PM
Quote from: RiddleMeTheus on Sep 18, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
First of all, that's the first time this GIF has been used on AVP Galaxy.
Oh, I was speaking more in general of the Internet running that shit into the ground long before today. But no, cliched GIF, I'm not mad in the slightest. I was just saying my piece about why I thought the Vickers/Weyland scene needed some trimming of the sappy fat. I can see why they did.
Besides, everyone knows Oprah GIFs are so spring 2012 (perhaps even 2010). We're onto Romney.
Ah, you see, I don't follow fashion trends. And Spring 2012 has just started in my part of the world. So...
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I wasn't aware how popular Oprah gifs were - bless these beautiful gifs. ;D
What happens in "Janek Fills Vickers In"?
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 18, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
What happens in "Janek Fills Vickers In"?
Spoiler
Janek fills Vickers in.
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I'm not saying I filled Vickers in.
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But I filled Vickers in.
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The Idris one is fabulous.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 18, 2012, 08:07:20 PM
I'm not saying I filled Vickers in.
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But I filled Vickers in.
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Quote from: RiddleMeTheus on Sep 18, 2012, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene)
Seriously, what was Ridley thinking? All the scenes I've seen so far, including this one, should have been left in.
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TOTALLY AGREE.... we didin't need to hear the Engineer speak, but seeing this added extra would have added so much impact on a scene that we ended up just questioning....shame it was left out at all!
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 06:13:51 AM
Spoiler
He asks Weyland why he wants to live forever. Before that he asks David why they are there.
Which disproves the 'they invited us' theory speculated by some of the characters.
Quote from: Snowdog on Sep 18, 2012, 02:51:31 PM
He didn't speak english but maybe he understood it well enough to be pissed about some lower being, being able to create "life". Just like the predator does minus the mimicing.
I'm not seeing how. :)
Like others have said, he/she/it has no way to understand English and there are no indicators in that scene for it to comprehend that David's artificial, let alone that Weyland's personally responsible for creating him.
And even if there were, it
still doesn't make sense. Weyland's pointing out they're both representative of creators, which is meant to be true in this context. Why the hell would the Engineer take exception to us being able to create robots?
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 03:12:56 PM
Just listened to more of the audio commentary and Ridley Scott mentions that the Engineer was "maybe insulted that a non-human was talking to him" and hence why he decapitates David.
1: "Maybe" strongly indicates this is one of those things he just added in there for the sake of mystery, without having a clear idea, himself. Shame.
2: That explanation makes no sense... The Engineers expect us to personally have learned their language? If we're considered as inferior, wouldn't the Engineer be insulted at humans, themselves, speaking to them, too?
This is confirming to me just how hand-wavey and nonsensical this scene ultimately was, sadly.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 19, 2012, 02:01:47 AMAnd even if there were, it still doesn't make sense. Weyland's pointing out they're both representative of creators, which is meant to be true in this context. Why the hell would the Engineer take exception to us being able to create robots?
Before we found out what David said to the Engineer, I had originally speculated that he identified himself as artificial and Weyland as his creator and that is what led to the violence. The opening scene is detached from the plot and exists to establish that the Engineers place a religious or cultural importance on sacrificing to create. That Weyland created David without there being sacrifice might be viewed as a religious or cultural taboo.
Or that the engineers are the only creators.
I feel like everything great about what this movie is trying to be is left in the deleted scenes :-[
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 19, 2012, 02:01:47 AM
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1: "Maybe" strongly indicates this is one of those things he just added in there for the sake of mystery, without having a clear idea, himself. Shame.
2: That explanation makes no sense... The Engineers expect us to personally have learned their language? If we're considered as inferior, wouldn't the Engineer be insulted at humans, themselves, speaking to them, too?
This is confirming to me just how hand-wavey and nonsensical this scene ultimately was, sadly.
Really, it's sad but I really think he/they don't have a clue where the story is going.
R.Scott doesn't have a plan in mind, they just put the story together as they go.
Every artist has a right to his or her own vision of his work, and should be respected for it. That being said, I think I'll prefer the extended edition, with all this material left in. I'm liking all this :D
The big ''why did the engineer go apeshit'' question ... well, I think he just pitied David and Weyland, he doesn't have anger in his stare until he decides to erase this abomination. He only ''kills' David.
Anyway, looking forward to the BRRip blueray ;D
Quote from: Barringer on Sep 19, 2012, 02:52:33 AM
That Weyland created David without there being sacrifice might be viewed as a religious or cultural taboo.
Firstly, the Engineers must have been making stuff without sacrifice, before they got to the level they're at. Secondly, how does it know Weyland didn't make sacrifices to create David?
Quote from: Snowblind on Sep 19, 2012, 08:25:51 AM
The big ''why did the engineer go apeshit'' question ... well, I think he just pitied David and Weyland, he doesn't have anger in his stare until he decides to erase this abomination. He only ''kills' David.
Wouldn't that be contradictory? If you feel compassion for something, why would you then act violently aggressive toward it?
I really liked this scene. Thought his voice was creepy.
You guys discussing the why and how of this scene should remember that this stuff could be from another version of the movie that was built differently than the released version. So all that stuff shown doesnt necessarily tie or add anything to the theater release.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 19, 2012, 11:04:30 AM
You guys discussing the why and how of this scene should remember that this stuff could be from another version of the movie that was built differently than the released version. So all that stuff shown doesnt necessarily tie or add anything to the theater release.
Vickers & Janek scene seems to me the only necessary scene for now.There are some elements that could be involved in the final cut.
Quote from: Promethée on Sep 19, 2012, 08:24:54 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 19, 2012, 02:01:47 AM
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1: "Maybe" strongly indicates this is one of those things he just added in there for the sake of mystery, without having a clear idea, himself. Shame.
2: That explanation makes no sense... The Engineers expect us to personally have learned their language? If we're considered as inferior, wouldn't the Engineer be insulted at humans, themselves, speaking to them, too?
This is confirming to me just how hand-wavey and nonsensical this scene ultimately was, sadly.
Really, it's sad but I really think he/they don't have a clue where the story is going.
R.Scott doesn't have a plan in mind, they just put the story together as they go.
you forget the fact that the engineers visited earh many times and are shown in various cultures around people. surely they teached the people their language. also the language they are using in the film was indo-european or something like that, a real reconstructed language. there is nothing ''hand-wavey'' about that.
my belief is that the engineer get's insulted because he comes from a culture that welcomes death, doesn't run from it, in a way similar to tibetan monks-they love live, but don't try to live forever,they welcome their death. weyland was just a smug human, who thinks he has the right for longer life just because he created something, and even called himself a god. and because of his arrogance and his demand he gets punished for it.
is the full engineer scene available somewhere, the full 4 min?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 19, 2012, 09:37:25 AM
Wouldn't that be contradictory? If you feel compassion for something, why would you then act violently aggressive toward it?
I didn't say compasion, although pity is close, you are correct. Poor wording on my part; I mean't the engineer saw David as something which shouldn't exist, like a greek god seeing a man weilding fire, something ''wrong'' which had to be erased. I see some significance in the fact he only kills David ... do you?
he killed weyland, ford & jackson.
I stand corrected. But he actually only dispatched David imediately, he just swept the others away. Ford didn't seem dead immediately impact ...
so and why didn't she get her ass off that f**king ship?
Quote from: Promethée on Sep 19, 2012, 08:24:54 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 19, 2012, 02:01:47 AM
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1: "Maybe" strongly indicates this is one of those things he just added in there for the sake of mystery, without having a clear idea, himself. Shame.
2: That explanation makes no sense... The Engineers expect us to personally have learned their language? If we're considered as inferior, wouldn't the Engineer be insulted at humans, themselves, speaking to them, too?
This is confirming to me just how hand-wavey and nonsensical this scene ultimately was, sadly.
Really, it's sad but I really think he/they don't have a clue where the story is going.
R.Scott doesn't have a plan in mind, they just put the story together as they go.
I really don't think they "put the story together as they go"... I think it evolved/changed, but it's not like they started principle photography with a blank piece of paper.
Quote from: Snowblind on Sep 19, 2012, 03:26:23 PM
I stand corrected. But he actually only dispatched David imediately, he just swept the others away. Ford didn't seem dead immediately impact ...
We actually don't know if she died or not, but she got knocked off for sure.
If she is not dead from a broken thorax then she died in the spaceship crash, because she was unconscious and there is no way she had time to get out.
-Well, on the other hand, notice that David was in the same room and after the crash he seems to be in the same place near his body, like nothing has moved during the crash...
Quote from: Darth Vile on Sep 19, 2012, 04:25:13 PMI really don't think they "put the story together as they go"... I think it evolved/changed, but it's not like they started principle photography with a blank piece of paper.
Well all the inconsistencies in the movie makes me feel that way, like there is not a big plan they are following.
I'm almost certain that R.Scott doesn't even know how the story will end.
I might be wrong, but it feels that way.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Sep 19, 2012, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: Promethée on Sep 19, 2012, 08:24:54 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 19, 2012, 02:01:47 AM
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1: "Maybe" strongly indicates this is one of those things he just added in there for the sake of mystery, without having a clear idea, himself. Shame.
2: That explanation makes no sense... The Engineers expect us to personally have learned their language? If we're considered as inferior, wouldn't the Engineer be insulted at humans, themselves, speaking to them, too?
This is confirming to me just how hand-wavey and nonsensical this scene ultimately was, sadly.
Really, it's sad but I really think he/they don't have a clue where the story is going.
R.Scott doesn't have a plan in mind, they just put the story together as they go.
I really don't think they "put the story together as they go"... I think it evolved/changed, but it's not like they started principle photography with a blank piece of paper.
I think at the end of the day Ridley Scott pussied out to Tom Rothman.
He cut all the good character stuff out of his movie and thought that he was going to make a ton of money and be hip with the kids like his buddy James Cameron.
Quote from: Promethée on Sep 19, 2012, 04:38:52 PM
Well all the inconsistencies in the movie makes me feel that way, like there is not a big plan they are following.
I'm almost certain that R.Scott doesn't even know how the story will end.
I might be wrong, but it feels that way.
You mean the bigger story planned to be told in 2 or 3 movies? If so... yes probably. Broad brush stroke ideas with nothing more. I think they probably had a clear vision of a tight 1st act movie which introduces the concept of the engineers (
Prometheus) with some tonality of
Alien, and a sketchy 2nd/3rd movie which is more to do with engineer home word and technological warfare (lots of fighting and stuff a la
Aliens/Avatar).
Quote from: Kol on Sep 19, 2012, 04:07:15 PM
so and why didn't she get her ass off that f**king ship?
If this is in reference to ford, even if he didnt kill her she is probably pretty f**ked up.
Every try to walk off a massive concussion? Yeah....that works super well. Or broken ribs if you have never encountered that sort of pain before [most people haven't]. It is more realistic that if she isnt dead she just lays there delirious and dies from the impact of prometheus hitting the ship and it rolling and crashing.
Having that scene where Davids head was said to having been bouncing around the room would have cleared things up. However that blow the Engineer delivers Ford is death. For the other guy it's possible that he is still alive, all be it with a broken back. However I think the punch was meant to look more powerful that what ended up on film.
Quote from: Promethée on Sep 19, 2012, 04:38:52 PM
-Well, on the other hand, notice that David was in the same room and after the crash he seems to be in the same place near his body, like nothing has moved during the crash...
Nope, David isn't in the same place. When Shaw runs he is on the platform near the chair. When Shaw returns after the ship crashes, David's head and body are between the platform and the wall. And weyland body is missing
For god's sake, Chris. Don't start this up again.
Quote from: BANE on Sep 20, 2012, 12:32:37 PMFor god's sake, Chris. Don't start this up again.
That was entirely facetious and not an incitement for argument. I apologise (for your sake, not god's). :)
I liked it ;D
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 18, 2012, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene)
So he got his butt kicked cause he was boasting?
I think the Engineer thought: "You created this fragile android and you thought were a God? *Rips David's head off* I created the freaking xeno! *Smacks*" 8)
Quote from: Magegg on Sep 20, 2012, 03:19:38 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 18, 2012, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 18, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene (http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/09/18/prometheus-deleted-scene)
So he got his butt kicked cause he was boasting?
I think the Engineer thought: "You created this fragile android and you thought were a God? *Rips David's head off* I created the freaking xeno! *Smacks*" 8)
OMG! Aliens vs Androids!
Engineers look at us in the same way as we look at cows. Food!
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 20, 2012, 11:42:50 PM
Engineers look at us in the same way as we look at cows. Food!
Man makes cows. Man eats cows. Cows then evolve. Cows challenge man. Farmers lose all.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 20, 2012, 11:55:21 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 20, 2012, 11:42:50 PM
Engineers look at us in the same way as we look at cows. Food!
Man makes cows. Man eats cows. Cows then evolve. Cows challenge man. Farmers lose all.
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Ah, now eventually you do plan to have Aliens in your, in your Alien prequel, right? Hello?... Hello? Yes?
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If he opens his mouth again, shoot him.
MrSpaceJockey, the kind of control you're attempting simply is... it's not possible. If there is one thing the history of evolution has taught us it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 21, 2012, 12:17:05 AM
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If he opens his mouth again, shoot him.
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I'd also better chip in on this topic somewhat constructively before I disappear to giff hell. Personally I don't think the Engineer speaking is really needed, though I really do enjoy Weyland's piece of dialogue towards him. I'm pretty sure there's a middle ground that can be reached if anybody a) feels the same way and b) is making a fan edit.
God help us, we're in the hands of Engineers.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 21, 2012, 12:24:39 AM
God help us, we're in the hands of Engineers.
Finally! :laugh:
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Quote from: Cvalda on Sep 21, 2012, 12:28:40 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 21, 2012, 12:24:39 AM
God help us, we're in the hands of Engineers.
Finally! :laugh:
Lest we forget.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43399.210 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43399.210)
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 21, 2012, 12:14:07 AM
Ah, now eventually you do plan to have Aliens in your, in your Alien prequel, right? Hello?... Hello? Yes?
LOL ;D
Quote from: zuzuki on Sep 19, 2012, 01:27:37 PM
you forget the fact that the engineers visited earh many times and are shown in various cultures around people. surely they teached the people their language. also the language they are using in the film was indo-european or something like that, a real reconstructed language. there is nothing ''hand-wavey'' about that.
It was hand-wavey from the point of story-telling, IMO. So were Lucas' ewoks and they had a language especially thought up for them, too. :)
Quotemy belief is that the engineer get's insulted because he comes from a culture that welcomes death, doesn't run from it, in a way similar to tibetan monks-they love live, but don't try to live forever,they welcome their death. weyland was just a smug human, who thinks he has the right for longer life just because he created something, and even called himself a god. and because of his arrogance and his demand he gets punished for it.
The Engineer was only told of
some of that, via David 8, though.
And even if he/she/it
could have understood the entirety of what Weyland says, the reaction is completely over the top and nonsensical. Could've just gone, "No." Instead, it turns into the Hulk - which makes any inference of moral superiority a mockery. By contrast, Weyland's being sensible, not smug.
Quote from: Snowblind on Sep 19, 2012, 02:41:37 PM
I didn't say compasion, although pity is close, you are correct. Poor wording on my part; I mean't the engineer saw David as something which shouldn't exist, like a greek god seeing a man weilding fire, something ''wrong'' which had to be erased. I see some significance in the fact he only kills David ... do you?
As others have said, the Engineer tries killing everyone, but regardless of that, I really can't agree. :)
What's so special about synthetics which made them some form of cultural red line? This is what I don't understand and the '
Alien' films, themselves, make it clear that they don't really lead to anywhere special. The entire industry apparently just falls apart, economically. Anyone trying to apply Skynet-like philosophies to this film is contradicted by the continuity.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 22, 2012, 12:41:26 AM
The Engineer was only told of some of that, via David 8, though.
And even if he/she/it could have understood the entirety of what Weyland says, the reaction is completely over the top and nonsensical. Could've just gone, "No." Instead, it turns into the Hulk - which makes any inference of moral superiority a mockery. By contrast, Weyland's being sensible, not smug.
As others have said, the Engineer tries killing everyone, but regardless of that, I really can't agree. :)
What's so special about synthetics which made them some form of cultural red line? This is what I don't understand and the 'Alien' films, themselves, make it clear that they don't really lead to anywhere special. The entire industry apparently just falls apart, economically. Anyone trying to apply Skynet-like philosophies to this film is contradicted by the continuity.
I agree... For better or worse we don't why the engineers were heading for Earth and why the engineer reacted like he did. Some clarity woukd be good... but we don't get that from the deleted scenes... it just makes the engineers reactions more illogical.
^ Ambiguous? Instead of brutish? I'm sure if those scenes weren't deleted in the first place, you wouldn't produce such thoughts as you did now.
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Sep 22, 2012, 07:12:29 AM
^ Ambiguous? Instead of brutish? I'm sure if those scenes weren't deleted in the first place, you wouldn't produce such thoughts as you did now.
You think the deleted scene makes it more ambiguous?
QuoteInstead, it turns into the Hulk - which makes any inference of moral superiority a mockery.
As morality is subjective this is entirely debatable.
Quote from: BANE on Sep 23, 2012, 04:42:53 PM
QuoteInstead, it turns into the Hulk - which makes any inference of moral superiority a mockery.
As morality is subjective this is entirely debatable.
But "They are us"?
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Sep 21, 2012, 05:39:35 AMSpoiler
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Hey, I've seen those before.
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Quote from: ChrisPachi on Sep 25, 2012, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: BANE on Sep 23, 2012, 04:42:53 PM
QuoteInstead, it turns into the Hulk - which makes any inference of moral superiority a mockery.
As morality is subjective this is entirely debatable.
But "They are us"?
That doesn't mean they have the same moral values as us. And they didn't say ''they are us''. they said their dna precedes ours
Quote from: zuzuki on Sep 26, 2012, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Sep 25, 2012, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: BANE on Sep 23, 2012, 04:42:53 PM
QuoteInstead, it turns into the Hulk - which makes any inference of moral superiority a mockery.
As morality is subjective this is entirely debatable.
But "They are us"?
That doesn't mean they have the same moral values as us. And they didn't say ''they are us''. they said their dna precedes ours
The DNA of the magic goo precedes ours, not the DNA of the Engineers, but whatever.
The Engineer at the beginning of the film wears a loin cloth, which means that he has junk that he wants to cover for modesty. You don't get any less alien than that; he's on an alien world about to sacrifice himself and he still wears a nappy to protect his privacy.
And furthermore, if he is a he and he is cultured then there are cultured shes which means that their society is based around pretty similar core values to our own. Perceived 'morality' is merely a function of making that setup work.
So my equation is thus: Alien Loin Cloth = Human-like Morality.
Think about it.
;)
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Oct 01, 2012, 12:19:15 PM
The Engineer at the beginning of the film wears a loin cloth, which means that he has junk that he wants to cover for modesty. You don't get any less alien than that; he's on an alien world about to sacrifice himself and he still wears a nappy to protect his actors privacy and get a pg13.
^^ Fixed.
Quote from: LarsVader on Oct 01, 2012, 03:48:05 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Oct 01, 2012, 12:19:15 PM
The Engineer at the beginning of the film wears a loin cloth, which means that he has junk that he wants to cover for modesty. You don't get any less alien than that; he's on an alien world about to sacrifice himself and he still wears a nappy to protect his actors privacy and get a pg13.
^^ Fixed.
You aren't seriously suggesting that they wrapped a towel around the actor's waist in order to hide his rude bits from the camera? Of course you aren't, that would be stupid. ;)
Chris, you're missing the point entirely.
It was Rick Grimes playing the engineer. His penis is so huge that it would've meant zooming out to get the whole thing in, or a whole shit ton of prosthetics to reign the puppy in.
As is, a loincloth with a tie-back is the cheapest option. That or sling it over the shoulder, but Rick only does that on weekends, and they shot that scene on a Monday.
Quote from: BANE on Oct 01, 2012, 06:23:07 PM
Chris, you're missing the point entirely.
It was Rick Grimes playing the engineer. His penis is so huge that it would've meant zooming out to get the whole thing in, or a whole shit ton of prosthetics to reign the puppy in.
As is, a loincloth with a tie-back is the cheapest option. That or sling it over the shoulder, but Rick only does that on weekends, and they shot that scene on a Monday.
If you're talking about the Sacrifice Engineer, that was Daniel Twiss at the beginning....if not just ignore me!! 8)