I just saw this article (below). In the article it says that an R-rating was confirmed (quote from the article also below). I haven't seen this press release; can anybody confirm if this is true?
QuoteUPDATE: Shortly after the teaser trailer for Hulu's Prey was revealed, the streamer sent out a press release previewing all of their original movies for the summer. Buried within the details was confirmation that Prey will indeed be rated-R, so if fans were worried that a streaming debut might result in a watered-down Predator film, you can rest assured – it (hopefully) won't be.
https://www.joblo.com/hulu-prey-teaser-trailer-predator/
I can't get onto Joblo. Anyone else?
https://press.hulu.com/news/2022/05/16/hulu-originals-summer-slate/
Here's the press released they're talking aboutScreenshot_20220517-072928_Chrome.jpg
Thanks both! That was what I was looking for. Glad to hear it's officially an R. I know it's always a concern for folk, and I'd already seen the typical presumptuous posts on social media about it being a PG-13 (because Disney) but glad to be able to address those concerns.
The lack of Sasquatch in synopsis is 100% Sasquatch confirmation I need! GO #TeamSasquatch
Great news.
Sounds good! I that will make a ton of people happy.
Well that's a plus finally.
There wasn't any doubt in my mind. It's probably less risky for them making it R for streaming platforms than it would if it was a theatrical release.
Quote from: Darkness on May 17, 2022, 03:13:41 PMThere wasn't any doubt in my mind. It's probably less risky for them making it R for streaming platforms than it would if it was a theatrical release.
That's what I was thinking too. But glad to have it confirmed!
Phew! With that out if the way, now there's nothing left for people to complain about!
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Good to have it officially confirmed, and hopefully now that'll silence the "Disney's going to make it PG-13" crowd.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 17, 2022, 03:19:36 PMPhew! With that out if the way, now there's nothing left for people to complain about!
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"Nothing like a smell of boiled crab. Mouthwatering"Quote from: Kailem on May 17, 2022, 03:23:57 PMGood to have it officially confirmed, and hopefully now that'll silence the "Disney's going to make it PG-13" crowd.
But if this one does not perform well enough - oh boy, PG-13, here we go !
Awesome! Thanks for confirming!
I never had any doubt it would be R rated. But I've been waiting for that confirmation just to get those pesky complainers to quiet down!
Quote from: Kradan on May 17, 2022, 03:34:57 PM"Nothing like a smell of boiled crab. Mouthwatering"
I'm still holding out hope Steve Wang's Onyx Forge studio (who's involved with Prey) got the Pred head duties. Steve's a vegetarian and doesn't eat meat, including crab. ;D
Honestly this was the one thing really worrying me. I thought it was a shoe-in for an R rating until someone involved with the production seemed to raise some doubts last year.
Great news.
Quote from: Darkness on May 17, 2022, 03:13:41 PMThere wasn't any doubt in my mind. It's probably less risky for them making it R for streaming platforms than it would if it was a theatrical release.
Excatly, it's not like at the box office where they are compelled to turn away kids.
Quote from: Hollywood on May 17, 2022, 02:31:57 PMhttps://press.hulu.com/news/2022/05/16/hulu-originals-summer-slate/
Here's the press released they're talking aboutScreenshot_20220517-072928_Chrome.jpg
So this is interesting... if you look at the credits, towards the end it has both of the Thomas brothers listed as executive producers. I wonder if part of their lawsuit settlement included giving them producer credits...
Nice catch, perhaps yes.
Yeah, I brought it up in the Catch All thread. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 17, 2022, 05:22:37 PMYeah, I brought it up in the Catch All thread. :)
Oh my bad! I missed that lol
Is there a website that one can go to, to see how many total views a trailer got? For instance Avatar 2 got 144 mil across all channels that showed it...is there a website that tracks this?
Prey Trailer looks fantastic. The footsteps running across the woods...the breeze. That overhead shot.
Nice to get this confirmed.
It's Official! Prey is Rated R!=
Plenty of Crabs Were Harmed on Set...
One of the common complaints I see from people is that Comanche women weren't warriors or skilled fighters...
... but, this museum in Texas seems to say the opposite 🤷
Being warriors/fighters might not have been their traditional role in Comanche society but they were still fierce fighters regardless...
https://www.thestoryoftexas.com/discover/artifacts/comanche-woman
Fantastic news. I hope it's tastefully done like in the original or predators. If we could stay out of the realm of AVPR(gore for the sake of gore) that'd be great.
I'm hoping...we may all be surprised by PREY, the potential for a killer film... is there?
What kind of Yautja uses their shoulder cannon against someone armed with a tomahawk and bow & arrow. Doesn't seem honorable to me. :P
where's the honor in shooting someone while fully invisible?
90% of the time, Predators are assholes abusing their superior tech.
They only rarely look for a fair fight.
I've never found what the Predator does honorable. It's why I'm not a fan of the Yautja concept. They're in it for the thrill of the kill and the hunt, not honor. I know the Thomas Bro's said they intended City Hunter to have honor in what he was doing, but that honestly doesn't come across on the screen to me. Letting Anna live is just good wildlife preservation, not honor.
Predators have weapons honor for them is to right other raced with their oown weapons or whatever respuesta they may hace. Sir predators are honorable while fighting on invisible mode
I think the Thomas bros mentioned that the Predators are hypocrites in the same way that big game hunters are.
so in Predator 2, City Hunter is working on a "code" of sorts.....
but it's never meant to be taken as "real honor". They're assholes.
I quite like the idea that they maybe have some messed up code whereby it's fine to butcher people who never even had a chance for no reason other than the lulz, but killing a pregnant woman is considered poor form.
But the honour idea is frequently pushed way too far for my tastes in the expanded universe.
Yeah, rules of the hunt is something I'm fine with. But the romanticized Samurai/Yautja honor is what I can't get behind. There's nothing fair or honorable about the way the Predators operate.
Whether the violence and blood is practical or CGI (unfortunately, good chance a lot of the blood splatter would be CGI) I do hope it's not silly and over-the-top like in The Predator. They amped up the gore in that one, but it just looked cartoon-ish, especially when the characters look weightless due to the CGI and how the Predator is interacting with them.
May 18, 2022, 01:10:51 PM
I think the Predator enjoys a good "fair" and "honorable" fight with an opponent he'd at least consider worthy enough to give them even the slightest chance, such as Dutch, Billy or King Willie, while the rest, even though they're probably worthy opponents in their own right, are more or less just easy trophies on the side. So what we perceive as honorable, they have a more twisted view of it.
But they're not stupid either when it comes to firepower by humans. I like to think that the Jungle Predator ambushed Blaine from behind while cloak because of the Mini-gun alone and the risks of being fatally wounded going toe-to-toe. The same goes with Mac when the Predator was caught off guard by him and almost mowed down by the Mini-gun. He knows Mac is capable and one of the few who wounded him and couldn't risk another chance of him getting the upper hand, so he took him out swiftly, even if it seemed cowardly killing him while cloaked.
To echo some of the comments below, I have never really loved the idea of samurai like code of honor with predators. While I enjoy certain elements of the expanded mythos I've never really even liked the Yautja backstory.
I feel like it humanizes the predators too much. Don't give me team ups between humans and predators (although I did like how the rage wars series did it). I want unknowable mysterious killer aliens from space with their own motives.
I feel like Predator 2 and predators gave us just enough backstory without implying a full samurai honor code.
In my own head cannon I like to think of it as not honor that leads a predator to remove its mask and weapons in a one on one battle but sheer blood lust and recklessly abandonment.
Samurai code of honor is romanticised to begin with. Those were vicious f**kers capable of doing most horrible things and treating those considered subpair worse then livestock.
Predator abide to the rules of the hunt. But when things goes south it doesn't give a shit and protects it's life and tech with all means necessary. Predator are cool and relatable because the are no mindless monster, but honourable they are not.
I've always seen it as they are honorable in their minds, by their code. Whether or not they are honorable to humans by our standards is moot.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 18, 2022, 12:06:55 PMI quite like the idea that they maybe have some messed up code whereby it's fine to butcher people who never even had a chance for no reason other than the lulz, but killing a pregnant woman is considered poor form.
But the honour idea is frequently pushed way too far for my tastes in the expanded universe.
I figured it was one of their own hunting rules. We humans have similar rules about hunting does with their calves in some parts (although these laws tend to differ depending on where you are). When harrigan realized she was pregnant that was the moment he started to put two and two together imo he had that same "light bulb" moment that Dutch did when billy said "like a hunter."
May 18, 2022, 06:30:53 PMQuote from: skhellter on May 18, 2022, 10:24:50 AMwhere's the honor in shooting someone while fully invisible?
90% of the time, Predators are assholes abusing their superior tech.
They only rarely look for a fair fight.
To expand on this... humans hiding out in a hunting-blind while hunting deer, not very honorable but it keeps you more or less *invisible* to your prey. The predator's cloak is no different; it's not about honor it's just being a skilled hunter imo.
It's not honour, it's sport. It's bragging rights. There's a code of conduct, a guideline for what prey is worth killing and what isn't.
Sniping from behind while invisible is fine, just bag a decent buck.
I think there's an inherent flaw in applying human morality to an alien species.
I whole heartedly agree. But if you're going to compare it to anything human related, it should just be hunting practices and nothing more...
Quote from: SiL on May 18, 2022, 07:49:36 PMIt's not honour, it's sport. It's bragging rights. There's a code of conduct, a guideline for what prey is worth killing and what isn't.
Sniping from behind while invisible is fine, just bag a decent buck.
This. To me the Predators are just Game Hunters, not romanticized Samurai.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 18, 2022, 10:28:08 AMI've never found what the Predator does honorable. It's why I'm not a fan of the Yautja concept. They're in it for the thrill of the kill and the hunt, not honor. I know the Thomas Bro's said they intended City Hunter to have honor in what he was doing, but that honestly doesn't come across on the screen to me. Letting Anna live is just good wildlife preservation, not honor.
Letting Anna live or die would hardly threaten human population I think. Best to stick with the creator's intent!
May 22, 2022, 07:20:32 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on May 18, 2022, 12:06:55 PMI quite like the idea that they maybe have some messed up code whereby it's fine to butcher people who never even had a chance for no reason other than the lulz, but killing a pregnant woman is considered poor form.
American hunters do that now, less for lulz, but more for fun, i.e. sport. But they still follow what they perceive as honorable sports hunter conduct among them, sparing the young or pregnant.
May 22, 2022, 07:19:37 AMQuote from: NoStyleDutch1 on May 18, 2022, 04:04:36 PMI've always seen it as they are honorable in their minds, by their code. Whether or not they are honorable to humans by our standards is moot.
Just as American sports hunters do, but I doubt the animals they hunt would perceive these people as anything but dishonorable butchers.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2022, 01:43:57 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on May 18, 2022, 10:28:08 AMI've never found what the Predator does honorable. It's why I'm not a fan of the Yautja concept. They're in it for the thrill of the kill and the hunt, not honor. I know the Thomas Bro's said they intended City Hunter to have honor in what he was doing, but that honestly doesn't come across on the screen to me. Letting Anna live is just good wildlife preservation, not honor.
Letting Anna live or die would hardly threaten human population I think. Best to stick with the creator's intent!
Wrong name - I meant Leona. I can't stick with the intent because it's just not evident in the films.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2022, 01:46:38 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on May 18, 2022, 12:06:55 PMI quite like the idea that they maybe have some messed up code whereby it's fine to butcher people who never even had a chance for no reason other than the lulz, but killing a pregnant woman is considered poor form.
American hunters do that now, less for lulz, but more for fun, i.e. sport. But they still follow what they perceive as honorable sports hunter conduct among them, sparing the young or pregnant.
I know you go to this example a lot, so I've got to ask - where are you seeing them refer to themselves as honorable? That is not a word that I ever see game hunting referred to as. Because it certainly isn't. Hiding in a blind to shoot a creature who isn't even aware you're there isn't honorable. It's just as much cheating as how the Predators behave.
There's no denying that the Predators have their own rules and conduct, but Predator and honor is generally discussed as akin to this romanticized view of Samurai honor, or Klingons and it's jut not a view I agree with or enjoy, and it's not a view the films portray, regardless of the Brother's comments.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2022, 02:37:50 PMI know you go to this example a lot, so I've got to ask - where are you seeing them refer to themselves as honorable? That is not a word that I ever see game hunting referred to as. Because it certainly isn't. Hiding in a blind to shoot a creature who isn't even aware you're there isn't honorable. It's just as much cheating as how the Predators behave.
How dare you, sir ! My late great great grandfather was a member of
Honorable Order of Honorable Hunter-Men !
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2022, 02:37:50 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2022, 01:46:38 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on May 18, 2022, 12:06:55 PMI quite like the idea that they maybe have some messed up code whereby it's fine to butcher people who never even had a chance for no reason other than the lulz, but killing a pregnant woman is considered poor form.
American hunters do that now, less for lulz, but more for fun, i.e. sport. But they still follow what they perceive as honorable sports hunter conduct among them, sparing the young or pregnant.
I know you go to this example a lot, so I've got to ask - where are you seeing them refer to themselves as honorable? That is not a word that I ever see game hunting referred to as. Because it certainly isn't. Hiding in a blind to shoot a creature who isn't even aware you're there isn't honorable. It's just as much cheating as how the Predators behave.
There's no denying that the Predators have their own rules and conduct, but Predator and honor is generally discussed as akin to this romanticized view of Samurai honor, or Klingons and it's jut not a view I agree with or enjoy, and it's not a view the films portray, regardless of the Brother's comments.
Just an example on Quora one hunter asking which way to hunt a bear is more
honorable, with a bow or a gun. There's of course anti-honor & anti-hunting views that eventually turn the question into a debate (which the world wide web will bring to you.) But just remember, I'm not asking you to agree with these views, just that some hunters HAVE these views.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-more-honorable-to-hunt-large-animals-with-a-spear-or-bow-and-arrow-than-with-a-gun
Here are some early pro honor examples, that are treating the question with legitimacy:
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Sometimes wounded game is lost, never found, and dies in some quiet hiding place, unharvested and wasted. That is very dishonorable."
"It is more honorable to pursue animals in a fashion that ensures a quick humane kill."
"The most honorable hunter is the one who kills cleanly, with a minimum of suffering to his prey"The problem here to me is when one takes the honorable hunting ideology and applys it to what one personally thinks is honorable. You're not removing yourself out of your own headspace.
Deer hunters today in America wear camouflage, hide in elevated areas and use high powered scoped rifles or compound bows to take out unsuspecting bucks. You might say, where the f*ck is the honor in that?? And I agree. But these human hunters that follow code, don't shoot fawns (young deer), don't shoot pregnant hind (females) feel they are honorable hunters... even when using arrows that give the deer a painful death. They also feel they are honoring their kill if they either 1) harvest it for meat, 2) wear its blood on their face, 3) turn their kill into a trophy, or all three. If you were a baby deer and they did this to your father, you'd think it was sadistic too!
Some "honorable" human hunters even hunt with knives versus guns or bows. Brutal.
Again you have to stop reconciling it with what you think is honorable. A fisherman will put a hook in a fish's mouth, reel it on for 10 minutes, then when they discover the fish has eggs, dehook it and throw it back in the water, thinking they're doing the honorable thing, the right thing, even though they tortured it for 10 minutes and the fish still might die as a result. Imagine that fish was a relative. That's the perspective your taking.
I think we need to put it in context with how some human hunters feel, not how we personally feel about it.
And remember, honor also just means adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct. It doesn't always mean the way of the Samurai. :)
To piggy back on Voodoo's comment, honor is also subjective at times. Even the Samurai, where all of this has inspiration from, had their interpretation of what honor is. Some believe in protecting the people while others believed in being loyal to their Shogun. In the 13th century, Hōjō Shigetoki wrote: "When one is serving officially or in the master's court, he should not think of a hundred or a thousand people, but should consider only the importance of the master." The feudal lord Asakura Yoshikage (1428–1481) wrote: "In the fief of the Asakura, one should not determine hereditary chief retainers. A man should be assigned according to his ability and loyalty." Asakura also observed that the successes of his father were obtained by the kind treatment of the warriors and common people living in domain. By his civility, "all were willing to sacrifice their lives for him and become his allies."
We can even look at knights during the medieval period who also had the same ideas of upholding the law and protecting the common people as being honorable but also alot of them believe that staying true to the King and Church only is the truth path of honor, despite the code of Chivalry being a teaching that inspires to do good regardless. Not to mention, some of its codes aren't really honorable? "Show no mercy to the Infidel. Do not hesitate to make war with them." is one of the codes, so if someone is of a different religion, be the person an elder, child, or pregnant woman, its ok to slay them and wage war on them for believing in a different god than you? Seems like knights aren't honorable at all if the interpretation of that code is what its supposed to be.
So going back to all of this, it does make sense to the Predator's culture of having this code of honor and acting on things that doesn't seem honorable to us being that its from their own alien moral viewpoint that we cannot comprehend or even agree because we aren't them. Even our own cultures in past histories can't see eye to eye on what is honor so this simply follows the reality of the world's many ideological conflicts, in which this piece of fiction takes inspiration from.
Without getting very specific, just the honor killings that occur in some of today's cultures, and what some consider dishonorable, is unimaginable to me, yet it exists.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2022, 03:56:47 PMAnd remember, honor also just means adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct. It doesn't always mean the way of the Samurai. :)
I see. You're acquainting honorable to be following their rules. I'm sure in that case we can call the Predator's honorable. They very clearly have their own rules of conduct and their ability to follow those is not what I've ever disagreed with. It's the idea of them being Klingons or the Yautja - and generally that's the kind of honor people are talking about when discussing the Predator and it's that interpretation I disagree with. I continue to stand by the film Predators are not portrayed as the Yautja or the Klingons.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2022, 03:56:47 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2022, 02:37:50 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2022, 01:46:38 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on May 18, 2022, 12:06:55 PMI quite like the idea that they maybe have some messed up code whereby it's fine to butcher people who never even had a chance for no reason other than the lulz, but killing a pregnant woman is considered poor form.
American hunters do that now, less for lulz, but more for fun, i.e. sport. But they still follow what they perceive as honorable sports hunter conduct among them, sparing the young or pregnant.
I know you go to this example a lot, so I've got to ask - where are you seeing them refer to themselves as honorable? That is not a word that I ever see game hunting referred to as. Because it certainly isn't. Hiding in a blind to shoot a creature who isn't even aware you're there isn't honorable. It's just as much cheating as how the Predators behave.
There's no denying that the Predators have their own rules and conduct, but Predator and honor is generally discussed as akin to this romanticized view of Samurai honor, or Klingons and it's jut not a view I agree with or enjoy, and it's not a view the films portray, regardless of the Brother's comments.
Just an example on Quora one hunter asking which way to hunt a bear is more honorable, with a bow or a gun. There's of course anti-honor & anti-hunting views that eventually turn the question into a debate (which the world wide web will bring to you.) But just remember, I'm not asking you to agree with these views, just that some hunters HAVE these views.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-more-honorable-to-hunt-large-animals-with-a-spear-or-bow-and-arrow-than-with-a-gun
Here are some early pro honor examples, that are treating the question with legitimacy:
"Sometimes wounded game is lost, never found, and dies in some quiet hiding place, unharvested and wasted. That is very dishonorable."
"It is more honorable to pursue animals in a fashion that ensures a quick humane kill."
"The most honorable hunter is the one who kills cleanly, with a minimum of suffering to his prey"
The problem here to me is when one takes the honorable hunting ideology and applys it to what one personally thinks is honorable. You're not removing yourself out of your own headspace.
Deer hunters today in America wear camouflage, hide in elevated areas and use high powered scoped rifles or compound bows to take out unsuspecting bucks. You might say, where the f*ck is the honor in that?? And I agree. But these human hunters that follow code, don't shoot fawns (young deer), don't shoot pregnant hind (females) feel they are honorable hunters... even when using arrows that give the deer a painful death. They also feel they are honoring their kill if they either 1) harvest it for meat, 2) wear its blood on their face, 3) turn their kill into a trophy, or all three. If you were a baby deer and they did this to your father, you'd think it was sadistic too!
Some "honorable" human hunters even hunt with knives versus guns or bows. Brutal.
Again you have to stop reconciling it with what you think is honorable. A fisherman will put a hook in a fish's mouth, reel it on for 10 minutes, then when they discover the fish has eggs, dehook it and throw it back in the water, thinking they're doing the honorable thing, the right thing, even though they tortured it for 10 minutes and the fish still might die as a result. Imagine that fish was a relative. That's the perspective your taking.
I think we need to put it in context with how some human hunters feel, not how we personally feel about it.
And remember, honor also just means adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct. It doesn't always mean the way of the Samurai. :)
I get what you're saying here and I don't really disagree. I'm a fishermen and a follow some strict rules. Many of them being laws. For example, if my hook wasn't in the fish's mouth and it was in its tail or something, I toss it back because it wasn't a fair/lawful catch. I didn't trick the fish into taking my bait, it just ran into my hook. Many times, the laws about fishing aren't that enforceable; you're out in the wilderness, isolated, and unless a Fish&Game Warden happens to walk by they're kind of trusting you to follow the established laws. I guess you'd call that "being on the honor system" but I've just never thought about myself as being "honorable" when I fish, just being a "good sport." I suppose it's the same thing, just never thought about it that way I guess...
(PS. In my 37 years of fishing, I've never seen a Fish&Game Warden patrolling nearby, for the record. I still follow the laws though; they exist for a reason and I respect that)
I've always taken it that the Predators are "honourable", but not in the way they we would consider someone who might be thought of as "honourable" to be.
City Hunter slaughters a bunch of civilians in that subway car who have no idea who or what he is, or what's even going on. They're not soldiers, they're not heavily armed, but they are armed nonetheless and so to him they're fair game. Likewise Predators are shown to be totally cool with blasting people in the back while invisible, which at the very least would seem to most of us like a pretty cheap move if not a downright "dishonourable" one by our understanding of the term.
But they definitely have a code that they're shown to follow, and I think it's there where things like "honour" and "sporting conduct" etc. start to blend together. Greyback allowing Harrigan to live and even gifting him a trophy for besting City Hunter definitely comes off as a show of respect and acknowledgement of his achievement from one warrior to another, rather than just a set "kill Pred get gun" law that they've got written down somewhere. So it's the reasoning behind that code where I think a lot of people get the "honour" part from.
So it's stuff like that which helps make them such compelling characters. They're brutal and sadistic on the one hand, with weapons and tactics that are just straight-up nasty in a lot of cases, but (nine times out of ten) they're also not just in it simply to kill everyone and everything they find like your average space monster.
It's very possible different clans follow different rules of the hunt too
Yeah I remember that was going to be a thing with the "Berserkers" in the early drafts of Predators, but they pretty much completely dialled that back for the finished film.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 20, 2022, 07:45:45 AMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2022, 03:56:47 PMAnd remember, honor also just means adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct. It doesn't always mean the way of the Samurai. :)
I see. You're acquainting honorable to be following their rules. I'm sure in that case we can call the Predator's honorable. They very clearly have their own rules of conduct and their ability to follow those is not what I've ever disagreed with.
Well, also I'm saying one can't define honor universally. Being honorable means different things to different people and their surrounding culture usually defines it, regardless if we may (looking from the outside) find their honor system brutal and/or dishonorable.
QuoteIt's the idea of them being Klingons or the Yautja - and generally that's the kind of honor people are talking about when discussing the Predator and it's that interpretation I disagree with. I continue to stand by the film Predators are not portrayed as the Yautja or the Klingons.
I think logically Predators can certainly behave similar to Klingons among & to each other, but not usually extend to the unworthy, impure creatures they hunt.
May 22, 2022, 07:16:01 AMQuote from: Kailem on May 20, 2022, 05:10:54 PMSo it's stuff like that which helps make them such compelling characters. They're brutal and sadistic on the one hand, with weapons and tactics that are just straight-up nasty in a lot of cases, but (nine times out of ten) they're also not just in it simply to kill everyone and everything they find like your average space monster.
And that's why I am a Predator fan, and a die-hard "Predator 2" lover!
Meh I always liked the "code". I enjoy the Predators as both monstrous villains, and maybe lesser evils or anti-heroes.
I'm surprised people thought this was going to be anything other than R/18.
Even a 15 (not sure on the US equivalent, sorry!) would mean they probably couldn't show things like skinning, decapitations etc. - which are central elements to the story/antagonist.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on May 20, 2022, 10:44:54 PMI'm surprised people thought this was going to be anything other than R/18.
Even a 15 (not sure on the US equivalent, sorry!) would mean they probably couldn't show things like skinning, decapitations etc. - which are central elements to the story/antagonist.
Hey the theatrical release of AVP back in 2004 was PG-13. There is a precedent for it.
Quote from: The Shuriken on May 21, 2022, 12:08:39 AMQuote from: funk_master_chunk on May 20, 2022, 10:44:54 PMI'm surprised people thought this was going to be anything other than R/18.
Even a 15 (not sure on the US equivalent, sorry!) would mean they probably couldn't show things like skinning, decapitations etc. - which are central elements to the story/antagonist.
Hey the theatrical release of AVP back in 2004 was PG-13. There is a precedent for it.
Also mix in the unprecedented - our first Disney owned Fox Predator film, our first streaming-only Predator film, and producer John Davis pubically stating he wasn't sure what it would be rated.
Yeah there were plenty of reasons to be unsure.
The R rating was just necessary for a predator movie, another box checked.
in the original predator dutch assumes the predator doesn't kill unarmed because it wouldnt be "fun". to me thats really all we need as a motivation concerning the decisions of the predator regarding killing or not killing.
In Predator 2 Leona is armed but spared because of her state. There many rules I presume, how many are actually being taken into consideration? We don`t know.
Quote from: blubby on May 21, 2022, 07:57:46 PMin the original predator dutch assumes the predator doesn't kill unarmed because it wouldnt be "fun". to me thats really all we need as a motivation concerning the decisions of the predator regarding killing or not killing.
In what the Thomas Brothers called the Predator Bible, Predator 2, I'm sure it would have been more fun to take Harrigan's 'offer' of "who's next" and have another Predator fight Harrigan 1 on 1 until he's dead while the other Predators hoot & holler & cheer him on... but they didn't. :)
This post is very long but it's basically how I feel about this franchise at this moment so please be warned that it very long
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Is it really sad that I don't feel any interest for this franchise anymore like I was hard-core back in like 2017 to 2019 but now I just feel like I could care less, Probably because we have been getting mediocre to bad new material over the years, with alien isolation and dark horse comics being the exception. The games we've been having recently like Alien Fireteam and Predator Hunting Grounds are fun but quickly died out because of the lack of content, The movies are like another story Prometheus and alien covenant are mediocre and seems to further twisted the alien legacy by having them being made by David, if he did they are very vague about this. The predator movies I would say has been questionable, Predators what is indeed decent but did have some questionable decisions but the predator is the straw that broke the camels back, they just ruined the predator lore and what they stand by making them from honorable hunters from space into a generic alien invaders, and also having this stupid plot that the big predator comes after a small autistic child... oh did I not mention there was an actual pedophile in a deleted scene who has been exposed with proof that he was interacting with a minor, no wonder they called this movie "The Predator". In the comics that are coming from Marvel's are so embarrassing, I haven't read the comics so I have no valuables for the story but what I can't say that the art style is The most insulting part about this with characters looking disjointed and off in every single angle to the aliens literally being traced over Neca toys, how does this man and Greg Land still has a job even though they have been exposed multiple times to be tracing over fan art and doing subpar work at their job. The new material from what I heard the new alien TV series aren't really pleasant to begin, with it being setting on earth it just rubs me the wrong way, The new predator movie looks fine but I don't really have a lot of hope over it I just generally don't care about this franchise anymore, it's generally depressing when I say that I really did care for this franchise back when I was younger the first two alien films were amoug the best in the franchise Hell I can even say in this genre they're still up there, and it saddens me that a franchise like that go down to a place where we are now, that's what happens when studios keeps on milking their products that goes to fox and disney on their own I still Love cartoon shows and movies but I do not stand by their actions. Really do wish that this franchise would pick itself up over the bad new material but will have to wait and see and it would probably never happen.
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Quote from: funk_master_chunk on May 20, 2022, 10:44:54 PMI'm surprised people thought this was going to be anything other than R/18.
Even a 15 (not sure on the US equivalent, sorry!) would mean they probably couldn't show things like skinning, decapitations etc. - which are central elements to the story/antagonist.
R is roughly equivalent to the 15 rating here;
Predators was rated 15 in the UK.
The closest rating to 18 in the US would be NC-17, and studios tend to want to avoid that because it means less $ in ticket revenue. But so far as I've seen a film has to go some way to get that rating with violence alone; it tends to be sexual stuff that earns a film the NC-17 rating.
It does make me laugh how American censors are so lenient on blood and gore but so uptight on sex and bad language. As if a pair of breasts are somehow more offensive than seeing someone getting skinned alive.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 23, 2022, 04:08:50 PMR is roughly equivalent to the 15 rating here; Predators was rated 15 in the UK.
Not always though, The Last Duel was rated R and got an 18 BBFC.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 23, 2022, 05:17:17 PMNot always though, The Last Duel was rated R and got an 18 BBFC.
Hence "roughly" :)
Reportedly the orgy scenes where a bit too much for the BBFC folk...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 23, 2022, 04:08:50 PMIt does make me laugh how American censors are so lenient on blood and gore but so uptight on sex and bad language. As if a pair of breasts are somehow more offensive than seeing someone getting skinned alive.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 23, 2022, 05:37:50 PMReportedly the orgy scenes where a bit too much for the BBFC folk...
Yeah, so it's not just the American censors (though European censors tend to be more lenient towards sexual content than America). Apparently, a fella having a sword rammed down his throat is a-okay but a few naked ladies on a bed is beyond the pale. It suggests some very unpleasant things about human nature that an act of love is deemed abhorrent but conversely an act of violence is normalized within entertainment and accepted by the population at large as appropriate content for all the family (just look at sports such as boxing and wrestling ).
On the honour thing, I've mentioned this before on here, but in the back of the Original AVP comic it talks about the Predator designs and how the character was to be designed like a Maasai Warrior. So I think from the very start it was grounded in ritual. If you can call that honour I don't know, but it's clear they do it for reason, rather than pure kicks.
Source: https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3719480/prey-officially-rated-r-for-strong-bloody-predator-violence/
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Wonder what the difference is between "strong bloody violence" and "strong creature violence and gore".
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 15, 2022, 06:48:02 PMWonder what the difference is between "strong bloody violence" and "strong creature violence and gore".
I suspect it means that bear in the trailer is gonna get
all f**ked up.
Or the Predator.
That too.
Bigfoot'd gone f**k him up good.
Long live #TeamSasquatch!