I hope this doesn't hint at Shane Blacks The Predator might be a female. What do u guys think?
Those always there,but yeah won't like a female Predator,but if they insist to do it I'm hope not boobs.
All female cast
SiL had dreads
First hybrid
Next Pred
So because people draw female predators, that means the predator in this movie will be female. Ok.
I suspect this movie won't break any new ground just like Predators so I don't think so
It takes more than switching genders to break ground. That's just window dressing.
Yeah. And every one of them makes me think of this song when I see 'em.
-Windebieste.
If this were 1985, I bet the idea of a female alien would sound pretty stupid.
I really have nothing wrong with the concept. I just hate the idea of it being so pedestrian as having boobs. Give me female Predators and give me some other identification markers than tits please!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 24, 2016, 07:36:57 AM
I really have nothing wrong with the concept. I just hate the idea of it being so pedestrian as having boobs. Give me female Predators and give me some other identification markers than tits please!
How about a predator with lipstick?
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Aug 24, 2016, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 24, 2016, 07:36:57 AM
I really have nothing wrong with the concept. I just hate the idea of it being so pedestrian as having boobs. Give me female Predators and give me some other identification markers than tits please!
How about a predator with lipstick?
Also don't forget the sexy body nets... oh wait... never mind, that parts already covered... ;D
If anything, Predators we've seen so far may have been female.
I could easily get behind that idea.
Quote from: overthere on Aug 24, 2016, 06:57:52 PM
If anything, Predators we've seen so far may have been female.
he's coming to town with a few days to kill.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 23, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
So because people draw female predators, that means the predator in this movie will be female. Ok.
Actually,Shane did mentioned once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCatCWAUfcU&feature=youtu.be&t=1m16s
Great, not referring to that. I asked: What does people drawing female predators have to do with thinking the predator will be female in this movie?
I like to think the Predator life cycle is completely extraterrestrial, and different than a human one. I don't want it to boil down to "guy predators" and "girl predators."
An interpretation of a female Predator with her Hounds!! by the immensely talented mist XG.
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I'm not fond of the idea of the Predator being female, but I suppose if it's executed in a way I like. Just none of that Hish-qu-Ten gender switching stuff.
Quote from: Kaltes on Aug 29, 2016, 06:49:01 PM
I'm not fond of the idea of the Predator being female, but I suppose if it's executed in a way I like. Just none of that Hish-qu-Ten gender switching stuff.
Agreed.
Also, this is all just fan art that just went viral. I know Shane teased the idea of a female, but until we know more about the film... keep calm.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 24, 2016, 07:36:57 AM
I really have nothing wrong with the concept. I just hate the idea of it being so pedestrian as having boobs. Give me female Predators and give me some other identification markers than tits please!
Indeed. Maybe it's because of their reptile-looking skin, but I've always thought that Predators just lay eggs, therefore negating the need for boobs in the first place. :P
I'd like to think that you can't really tell their gender (if they even have one) apart. Maybe the female Predators are just a bit bigger than their male counterparts?
I don't seriously think they'd go with Predator tits on screen...at least I hope not. XD
Quote from: Kaltes on Aug 30, 2016, 05:47:21 AM
I don't seriously think they'd go with Predator tits on screen...at least I hope not. XD
It was a direction explored for Predators.
Quote from: Xenomania on Aug 29, 2016, 11:39:26 PM
I'd like to think that you can't really tell their gender (if they even have one) apart. Maybe the female Predators are just a bit bigger than their male counterparts?
I'd be happy with that. Or just some specific markings or colouration. I just find the thoughts of boobs so uninspired and too humanising. The Predators have already been too anthropomorphized for my liking.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 30, 2016, 07:57:55 AM
Or just some specific markings or colouration.
I'd be okay with that.
I think they'd go with boobs. The denizens of this forum may well be able to discern the different markings and so on, but the wider public... boobs all the way. Suspect someone like that really huge knight lady from Game of Thrones would be a shoo-in for this type of thing?
I have asked to the only guy I know who got the early script, there aren't any female predators in it. :)
Good , because I think it would be a terrible idea for a female predator
Quote from: Russ on Aug 30, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
I think they'd go with boobs. The denizens of this forum may well be able to discern the different markings and so on, but the wider public... boobs all the way. Suspect someone like that really huge knight lady from Game of Thrones would be a shoo-in for this type of thing?
For a second, I thought you said that we'd all be discussing the different markings on Predator boobs. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You have a point though, the wider public probably won't notice.
City Hunter was distinctively different in appearance, so I don't think it'd be that hard to make a female look different.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 31, 2016, 09:30:07 PM
For a second, I thought you said that we'd all be discussing the different markings on Predator boobs. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I've no doubt that Rule 34 applies to the Predator-verse too *lol*
QuoteI've no doubt that Rule 34 applies to the Predator-verse too *lol*
Not as much as you'd think, the alien draws more attention.
Which supports what I'm about to say.
Female predator has to have boobs. Why? I'll tell you why.
Like vampires, there is a romanticism associated with the predator. The hunters role, man's first occupation. The image of our nature when we first started using tools. Like the cowboy, we have sculpted this image in the form of the caveman. But over the millennia things have evolved. The native, the trapper, the poacher, the big game hunter, the predator.
When women are introduced in this image, testosterone runs high. The cave woman, the amazon, the female hunter who has just as much masculinity as the male counterpart but there is always no question that this is a woman were looking at. (Disney's brave, wonderwoman, the croods, warcraft female orcs being a good example.)
The predator touches on our human roots and boobs aren't so out of place considering the concepts this fictional alien race takes from us.
The alien is suppose to be the ones who play with sexual identity, not the predator. The alien may not have boobs, but the queen has high heels for a reason. Have you ever noticed how the alien started out with a female like mouth like Giger's artwork portrays. When the alien's jaws are at ease, it kinda resembles human lips. (Until the avp movies further deformed their faces to be more beast like rather then stick to Giger's style.) Giger's artistic play with feminatality and masculinity that messes with your mind.
Maybe this is why there is so much rule34 of alien, but to me the predators are not suppose to be just like the aliens.
Not talking pornstars here but if female predators ever did appear in a movie I'm sure tropes would be represented. For example the extreme strong female physique with no cup (deadliest of species comic) and the lean and mean with a cup. (Witchblade vs darkness vs alien vs predator)
Quote from: mythology on Sep 14, 2016, 03:35:24 AM
QuoteI've no doubt that Rule 34 applies to the Predator-verse too *lol*
Not as much as you'd think, the alien draws more attention.
Well, they basically are walking rape monsters so it's not surprising.
Quote from: mythology on Sep 14, 2016, 03:35:24 AM
Like vampires, there is a romanticism associated with the predator.
I think you maybe over-estimating that. Outside of that small corner of the fandom that appreciates Rule 34, there's very little romanticism of the Predator. Anderson may have brought it a bit to the surface with Scar and Lex and those longing looks but that is generally something disliked about the film.
I think that if the female Predators end up with breasts, it's going to be from a lack of imagination.
Quote from: mythology on Sep 14, 2016, 03:35:24 AM
QuoteI've no doubt that Rule 34 applies to the Predator-verse too *lol*
Like vampires, there is a romanticism associated with the predator.
:D
No
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2016, 07:12:13 AM
I think that if the female Predators end up with breasts, it's going to be from a lack of imagination.
The problem with that, is it will just look like any other predator, unless you put the female shape into it, so the audience can instantly say "oh that's a female". Because they're aliens, you can do anything with it, but giving it the classic female form could be a fun concept to explore.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2016, 07:12:13 AM
Quote from: mythology on Sep 14, 2016, 03:35:24 AM
Like vampires, there is a romanticism associated with the predator.
The only people who romanticize the Predator are the fangirls on. Mostly.
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And who says that the Fem pred can't be human, I mean they could have been using earth woman to mate seeing as how they have human like body physique.
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Exactly... how they shouldn't look
Boobies =
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Quote from: Himmelblau on Sep 14, 2016, 05:53:18 PMAnd who says that the Fem pred can't be human, I mean they could have been using earth woman to mate seeing as how they have human like body physique.
They can't be. Humans, like Machiko Noguchi, can play at being Predators, but they don't have interspecies relationships with Predators.
Just because they're humanoids does not mean they are capable of having interspecies relationships and offspring with other humanoids (us).
Not to mention, the whole idea is repulsive, regardless if it's the Predator males or females who would copulate with a human of the opposite sex.
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-Windebieste.
Quote from: Vow on Sep 14, 2016, 08:09:31 PM
Quote from: Himmelblau on Sep 14, 2016, 05:53:18 PMAnd who says that the Fem pred can't be human, I mean they could have been using earth woman to mate seeing as how they have human like body physique.
They can't be. Humans, like Machiko Noguchi, can play at being Predators, but they don't have interspecies relationships with Predators.
Just because they're humanoids does not mean they are capable of having interspecies relationships and offspring with other humanoids (us).
Not to mention, the whole idea is repulsive, regardless if it's the Predator males or females who would copulate with a human of the opposite sex.
Exactly, they may look like us but that doesn't mean they can reproduce with us, they're already far too different on the inside and a bit on the outside too (like their head and feet.)
Chimps have a very similar form to us and we don't see Humanzees around, a Soviet scientist actually tried to scientifically create one and failed because although we're similar to Chimps, we don't have the same amount of Chromosomes as them. Genetics are really complex.
So if we can't create hybrids with our closest Earth cousins (who would want to anyway? :laugh: ) then what hope would we have with an alien from another world?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2016, 07:12:13 AM
I think you maybe over-estimating that. Outside of that small corner of the fandom that appreciates Rule 34, there's very little romanticism of the Predator. Anderson may have brought it a bit to the surface with Scar and Lex and those longing looks but that is generally something disliked about the film.
I meant it as being a hunter. Victorian thought and notions of the superiority of man over animals leading to humans not owe any moral duties to animals during those times. dark romanticism or romanticism and horror or romantic depiction of a predator/prey relationship that glorify the hunt.
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 11:19:49 AM
The problem with that, is it will just look like any other predator, unless you put the female shape into it, so the audience can instantly say "oh that's a female". Because they're aliens, you can do anything with it, but giving it the classic female form could be a fun concept to explore.
A similar discussion from long ago,
Starcraft had an argument "should protoss have boobs?" Some complained against humanizing the aliens species. Having boobs was confusing because they are suppose to be highly evolved aliens with a purity of form. At first they were very alien compared to humans, but over time the protoss had been humanized with finger nails, beards, and other similar anatomy. The developers added boobs anyway but say that this alien species emphasizes on smooth beauty so no one will notice them. They were purposely made faint to pander to complaints.
The predator is already victim to the humanizing rule "if it's male it must wear a loin clothe" implying everyone's genitalia is in the same place.
The other rule is "if it's female it must wear a top to cover up." Even if there is nothing there.
I would think if female predators had no boobs, they would scale down the gender to seem meaker then the male counterpart to avoid gender confusion. The strong male and not as strong but swifter female.
I like Michael Broom's design for Predators (missed opportunity there). Looks sleek, feminine form, breasts but no nipples (indicating non-mammalian). Human female breasts actually have nothing to do with babies suckling, anyway, they are a purely sexual characteristic (like a peacock's feathers).
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It would be a different kind of evolution.
You raise some interesting points Scorpio.
I mean, they are already ridiculously humanoid for an alien species. Look at their pectorals, their six (sometimes eight) packs, their biceps, their five fingered hands etc and their incredibly anatomically modern human shape, even Neanderthals had more differences compared to us when it come to body shape (not counting the heads and feet for obvious reasons.) Plus Predators have a chin, humans are the only hominid, the only primate to have a chin! Again, Neanderthals lacked one, Erectus lacked one, Heidelbergensis lacked one, Floresiensis lacked one etc but this totally ALIEN creature has a chin whereas some of our closest extinct relatives lacked one and were more ape like.
I wouldn't be surprised if Predators have a similar skeletal structure to us.
So, good point on the breasts actually being more for sexual selection than actually mammalian traits. I never considered the Peacock feathers analogy. And true, human breasts do seem as if they are sexually selected.
I am not against female Predators having breasts (I liked Steve Perry's take on them, larger, stronger and more aggressive females with breasts), I don't want them there for the sake of making them "sexy", but for the sake of going "look, a female!" If their males are ludicrously similar to us in so many ways, might as well make the females identifiable as such.
I never understood the "it makes them too human" argument, because they're already a very human-like species. The only differences are the blood, the insides (multiple hearts according to the new books), their longevity, the vision (even their eyes look similar to ours whereas if you look at a goat or a cat's eye, they're quite different.), five fingered hands, walk on their heels rather than digitigrade etc. Even their dreads are positioned in ways similar to human hair, plus they have "facial dreads" almost like growing facial hair. They have very expressive faces just like we do, they're social like we are, they hunt for sport like we do and collect trophies like us... they build cities and pyramids like us... they live in tribes and have various different cultures like we... I could go on forever.
The only things I can see as being truly alien about them are their languages due to the shape of their mouths, they'd have incomprehensible and inimitable languages. And their culture overall could be very alien, plus they have huge brains in their heads (and their heads are big, so a big brain to body ratio) means they'd have more complex brains leading to a more intelligent race than us who would also think very differently as a whole. Trying to cognitively anthropomorphize them by assuming "they share our morals" would be a mistake. But physically? Man, you don't get more anthropomorphic than that, guys!
It'd make for interesting discussions about convergent evolution. It's happened here on Earth (even though everything here's related), so evolutionary pressures and similar paths could've pushed the Predator species towards looking very much like us.
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 15, 2016, 02:53:14 AM
I like Michael Broom's design for Predators (missed opportunity there). Looks sleek, feminine form, breasts but no nipples (indicating non-mammalian). Human female breasts actually have nothing to do with babies suckling, anyway, they are a purely sexual characteristic (like a peacock's feathers).
(https://weylandyutani91.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/female-predator-concept.jpg)
It would be a different kind of evolution.
That's actually a pretty good concept design, I think.
@the Alien Predator
Basically what you said. I think boobs because its a (obviously) the easiest visual clue and would get around a clunky dialogue scene where the scientist woman says "All the other ones had different markings - this one is smaller. Could be a female?"
Why smaller? Make it bigger, stronger, mean bitch. That would partially explain why Preds try so hard (to impress the lady :P ).
The only thing AvP: Deadliest of the Species got right was using what was written in the bible authors were given at Dark Horse at the time: male and female Predators are indistinguishable unless you get real close, at which point you're probably dead.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 15, 2016, 09:18:21 AM
The only thing AvP: Deadliest of the Species got right was using what was written in the bible authors were given at Dark Horse at the time: male and female Predators are indistinguishable unless you get real close, at which point you're probably dead.
I suppose its kind of moot - What would be the point in having a female predator in a movie that you couldn't tell was female? I mean, the characters could see it was female, the viewers (having seen predator movies would be "oh wow, a lady predator. cool" (or not). But if if they're indistinguishable - then ... why bother I guess?
Quote from: Master on Sep 15, 2016, 08:39:51 AM
Why smaller? Make it bigger, stronger, mean bitch. That would partially explain why Preds try so hard (to impress the lady :P ).
OK, BIGGER with different markings *lol*.
No dude, I mean really bigger
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Cut out boobs, leave femine shapes and were on.
Here is a drawing that I like of a female Predator, she lacks boobs but you can see feminine hints here and there. I suppose if they went for an indistinguishable female, then it could serve as a plot twist for scientists to analyse the blood (or even have her captured, remove her clothing and after a "close examination" they realize it's a female :laugh:)
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Quote from: Master on Sep 15, 2016, 08:39:51 AM
Why smaller? Make it bigger, stronger, mean bitch. That would partially explain why Preds try so hard (to impress the lady :P ).
Indeed, that's what I suggested earlier too. Hell, maybe the whole Predator society is matriarchal. ;D
:D It's not gonna happen.
In the novels, a female predator is larger and stronger than the male ones.
Quote from: Shinawi on Jan 02, 2017, 07:19:21 PM
In the novels, a female predator is larger and stronger than the male ones.
In Steve Perry's at least. Jeff VanderMeer's Predators have no sexual dimorphism, Hish-qu-Ten the differences in gender are only seriously noticeable to each other.
Quote from: Kaltes on Jan 02, 2017, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Shinawi on Jan 02, 2017, 07:19:21 PM
In the novels, a female predator is larger and stronger than the male ones.
In Steve Perry's at least. Jeff VanderMeer's Predators have no sexual dimorphism, Hish-qu-Ten the differences in gender are only seriously noticeable to each other.
Tim Lebbon's Yautja have no sexual dimorphism either. Liliya isn't even sure if Hashori is a female but thinks so anyway as she is "Hashori of the Widow Clan."
Then there's Yaquita, who the characters just 'assume' is a female and still question that themselves.
AvP: Deadliest of the Species was about the only comic to use Dark Horse's outline that male and female Predators are indistinguishable without gettin' real close.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 02, 2017, 10:34:48 PM
AvP: Deadliest of the Species was about the only comic to use Dark Horse's outline that male and female Predators are indistinguishable without gettin' real close.
That would be boring to make them indistinguishable. Why even bother. Just give them boobs, I don't know why so many people here have problems with boobs. :P
Boobs are cool, but not on Predator. Such anthropomorphism change one of the cooler aliens into human with silly face.
Quote from: Master on Jan 03, 2017, 12:03:57 AM
Boobs are cool, but not on Predator. Such anthropomorphism change one of the cooler aliens into human with silly face.
I'm not saying put boobs on all of them, the predators we've seen so far don't have boobs and that's good. I'm saying, if you're going to introduce female predators, you may as well do something fun and interesting with it, rather than just make them generic looking predators. And I don't mean going the way of comics or EU either, because a lot of their ideas are retarded.
How do you know the ones we've seen haven't been female?
Quote from: SiL on Jan 03, 2017, 01:00:57 AM
How do you know the ones we've seen haven't been female?
Because that would be a missed opportunity from a filmmaker's perspective.
The scriptS dont mention any female predator anyway.
The Yautja aren't mammals, so no breasts.
They should look just like a male one.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 03, 2017, 01:07:13 AM
Because that would be a missed opportunity from a filmmaker's perspective.
How would it change the existing movies in the least?
Quote from: SiL on Jan 03, 2017, 07:26:37 AM
How would it change the existing movies in the least?
It's pretty obvious why a number of people wouldn't would want them to be female anyway. Masculine power fantasy destroyed! :D
It's a fair point. It's pretty hard to tell male from female in the reptile world, and predators have a number of reptilian traits.
They could possibly be females, but there's just not enough information to support that theory. Also, I think there would be slight design change to the character to see a difference.
I'd love to see a female Predator in a movie. Maybe The Predator will show this.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Jan 03, 2017, 04:48:50 AM
The Yautja aren't mammals, so no breasts.
Mammals don't have breasts, either, except for humans.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 03, 2017, 07:26:37 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 03, 2017, 01:07:13 AM
Because that would be a missed opportunity from a filmmaker's perspective.
How would it change the existing movies in the least?
I don't understand your question. I was talking about future movies, not the movies already made. If you're talking about retroactive changes, I don't get the point of that at all.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 03, 2017, 08:08:25 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 03, 2017, 07:26:37 AM
How would it change the existing movies in the least?
It's pretty obvious why a number of people wouldn't would want them to be female anyway. Masculine power fantasy destroyed! :D
It's a fair point. It's pretty hard to tell male from female in the reptile world, and predators have a number of reptilian traits.
They aren't reptiles.
But, yes, making them all female retroactively would be silly.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 03, 2017, 08:08:25 AM
It's pretty obvious why a number of people wouldn't would want them to be female anyway. Masculine power fantasy destroyed! :D
Yeah! Predator is the manliest movie ever made. It oozes so much testosterone that after each viewing your voice just keeps getting deeper!
We can't have this "it's a female" twist take our manliness away! :P :laugh:
But seriously, if they do introduce females, I think there should be a way to tell. I don't know what route or even why females would be brought into a film, but if they are, it'd probably be discovered during a dissection and compared to a male, and then us viewers can be able to tell apart by going "ah, so the females have longer dreads" or "less face mini-dreads" and so on which would help us guess the genders of the other Predators in said movie.
That is assuming they don't use the obvious give aways aka breasts which would then negate the need for some autopsy reveal scene.
I've never cared much for Predator females and don't really think we'd get much benefit of even having one, especially if we're just telling the same story except the antagonist has tits for... uh... variety's sake? If the Predators sexes are so similar as to be indistinguishable how would any character even know the Predator is female just to tell the audience it's female? Mostly seems like a pointless exercise to me.
Ultimately, Predator is a masculine movie about manly things. Manly men doing manly things, only to get outmanned by an even manlier monster, only for our hero to outman the ultimate manly man.
The Predator itself appeals to the inner caveman that lurks inside all of us that we repress for the sake of our civilization. He is powerful, knows no fear, does as he pleases, and welcomes challenges to better himself, or at least, that's what he has become to many. I would wager this is why Predator appeals so well to young men - in many ways he is what deep down we men wish we could be. What we would be, were it not that were imprisoned in this concrete world of office work. Deep down in our hearts we men are primal, violent monsters, just like the Predators. We've had to swallow it, but deep down that man is still there. He's the one that comes out when someone insults your wife, or threatens your children.
The Predator is a paradoxical marriage between high tech and primal, savage barbarism.
If we wanted to be really pretentious and over analyze what is a well made but simple action series we could even say that the fact that they are more powerful than us and have even managed to control the Aliens where we have failed implies that maybe we humans are the ones who've got it wrong. Maybe our tree hugging hippie ways have made us into weak, pathetic losers that can never hope to cope with the cold, uncaring universe outside of Earth. To survive in this horrible universe we'd have to be like them, cruel, heartless, savage.
If I were a writer for Predator, and I'm not, this is a theme I'd like to explore. To us they seem like savage barbarians. Unfair bullies who pick on species who are clearly inferior to them. But what's the secret to their power? How can they afford to just fly across the galaxy murdering whatever they please... for fun? For fun! A happy sport! Did they just steal their tech? Brilliant! Why work hard when you can just use your overwhelming power to take what you want! It's glorious! Did they build it? How does such a savage, primitive looking race manage to balance science and murder sport?
If females were ever introduced I'd hope it's only to insult us humans further. We modern day, progressive liberal hippie shitlords pride ourselves on things like equality, but who's to say Predators give even a single f**k about that? We, tiny, pathetic humans here, worrying about things like justice and fairness, while the Predators are arrogant assholes who don't give a shit. Maybe they are successful because they don't bother with any of that.
I'd say embrace the caveman. Let the Predators treat their females like shit, just like we did. Have the Predator females reflect our own, ancient world. Females are too valuable to risk in hunting, so they are not allowed to. Any female presence is a support role. The males must be brutal monsters to even be considered full men, and thus, earn the right to take a female. Then, on other hand, if a female doesn't do as expected the males are not afraid to lord their superior physical power over them to instill discipline. The Predator was conceived as a superpowered alien tribal hunting man and I ask "why stop at its appearance"? We did all this shit. Heck, all the things the Predators do in the movies were things that we did. Why not them? It's not nice? These assholes who use men's skulls as trophies, they'd be nice to their bitches?
The Yautja already danced with the shock value of "Hahahaha, you thought those manly Predators were super manly, right? Well, gotcha! They were secretly henpecked all along!"
No, I want something a little different, especially in today's political climate. Predators can ape human hunting cultures, right down to the weapons we used, I say let their society and sexual dimorphism do it as well.
If there's one thing the Yautja did right, it was making Predator society a goddamn shit hole. Course, the comics just seem to focus on making them out as just hypocritical assholes who can even lose in unarmed combat against a 90 pound woman who took some karate lessons once, so the implication here is that they really just win based on fighting significantly weaker enemies while acting all proud of it; but the idea that their society is isn't very nice or fair appeals to me. Predators reflect our ancient, savage roots. Even their tentacle dreadlock "hair" is based on human cultures. So I say, run with it.
Predators already encompass some of the worst elements of masculinity when it comes to interacting with other peoples, so why stop there? Make them misogynistic assholes too. Man, I'd go so far as to say that I can't even imagine the Predators are totally cool, progressive peoples that don't discriminate based on sex. These assholes treat humans like animals even though we're as smart as they are, you really think they'd be progressive on sexual issues?
The fact they already bestow some degree of respect to humans who best them is bad enough (although to be fair, they do try and blow up whoever beats them and don't seem to care whether the person they are sparing makes it back home alive at all). I think the Predators are at their best when they are at their worst.
We've gone so far from the 80s that now the female being the meanest of the species is in itself now a boring cliche. How many queens do alien monsters have? f**k me, I've lost count. Even the Independence Day aliens had a predictable giant alien queen. Yawn. If any movie series was going to avoid this boring trope, I'd say Predator is a good candidate.
Predator isn't Alien. Alien has a woman triumphing over phallic headed monsters and their dominant Queen mother. The Aliens are truly bizarre looking, genuinely alien. Predators are supermen in ugly masks. Predator is about tough dudes killing the shit out of each other. I don't think Predator has ever really cared about realistically trying to depict an alien species so honestly I don't care about whether the females have tits or not, or whether they hunt or not. To me, having a female appear just so us pasty nerds can theorize on their reproductive methods or gain insight into their society or even more boring, just for the sake of inserting some girl power (again) seems pointless.
In truth, I don't think we have all that much to gain from introducing a Predator female, unless we're making a... different kind of Predator movie. Certainly not our current formula.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 04, 2017, 12:26:47 AM
They aren't reptiles.
Ugh... The closest terrestrial animals that have any real similarities to a Predator are those found in the reptilian family. They see by heat(snake), they have adapted technology that gives them the ability to blend in like a chameleon, they have thick scaly skin, they have snake-skin like patterns, they have talons on their fingers and toes like those of a Komodo dragon or other large reptilian land animals.
Imagine her in a predator costume:
Quote from: DB on Jan 04, 2017, 04:20:54 AM
I've never cared much for Predator females...
Great post. I'd go further as to suggest that Predators probably have some kind of feudal society (if that's been in the books, I apologise, I've not read them) and its not only females that are second class citizens - its pretty much everyone not of "the ruling class" is a low-tech serf who till the fields, build the pyramids, aren't educated and any perceived insurrection is ruthlessly subjugated (cos the ruling class have tech, the serfs don't. Even if these "kingdoms" are vying with each other - if a serf of the winning side got his hands on tech - he'd have it taken off him quickly I imagine. You'd be daft to give your slaves the implements by which they could destroy you, right?).
Haha - maybe out there in the universe, there are far more "predaliens" that we realise because the aristo-preds use the serfs to seed their hunts.
But if there
were predator females in the movies - they'd have boobs. I don't care about the biology, the plausibility or even how ludicrous the idea is. If I'm a film-maker and I have female predators, I'm going to have someone with a thin waist, big hips and massive breasts. Because its the easiest way of showing "this is a female predator" as opposed to some female scientist giving us some exposition heavy dialogue about how their reptiles so they don't have boobs and they are a different colour etc etc.
I'm all for boobed female yautja, never bothered me all. Wouldn't mind a female being the primary hunter in a flick either. Something I'd like to see.
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Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 07, 2017, 05:16:48 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR1sM6g04G0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR1sM6g04G0)
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jan 05, 2017, 06:26:19 PM
I'm all for boobed female yautja, never bothered me all. Wouldn't mind a female being the primary hunter in a flick either. Something I'd like to see.
Only mammals have nipples right? If the Predator race is closer to reptiles, even though it's an alien, then it shouldn't really have boobs. Adding boobs would be purely down to the design concept being given the OK by the director.
Please NO. Please. No Female Anything in Predator films.
All you people who have suggested that the Predators we've seen so far were females.
I think you're onto something...
What do the Predators in the first, second, third and both AvP films have in common?
Spoiler
They're all a bunch of PUSSYFACES! :laugh:
Anybody remember this card set? I remember this particular image showing a mating ritual between a male and female Predator.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ)
This is probably my favorite rendition of a female Predator. Shorten the dreads a little I think though.
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Quote from: Kaltes on Jan 08, 2017, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 08, 2017, 01:33:55 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ)
Those are my parents. :P
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 08, 2017, 01:33:55 AM
Anybody remember this card set? I remember this particular image showing a mating ritual between a male and female Predator.
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There's also the Predator female from AvP: The Hunt Begins.
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Never saw the preds as the egg-laying type... But I don't care for the ridiculously big breasted female predator designs either. I think a really tone, taller and more slender build would be cool for a female predator. I'd also like to think that the females are dominant over the males. Lolz
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jan 08, 2017, 06:10:25 AM
There's also the Predator female from AvP: The Hunt Begins.
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Oh baby...
Guess we know this isn't much of an issue to Fox.
Nothing wrong with having female predators as long as they are not given mammary glands i.e breasts. For all we know, the other predators could have been female lol No issue with it here.
I was re-reading my copy of the first AVP comic, and I don't know why this had slipped my mind, but...
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They could be like a platypus. Mammary glands and lays eggs. :P
Or maybe, since they evolved on a completely different planet in another part of the galaxy, their physiology is not as easy to explain as "predator without tits" and "predator with tits." They can be different from us, you know...In more than just the face.
Writers seem to have no idea what to do with Predators, so they get hyper-focused on the honor thing and make them into crab-faced Klingons. Then suddenly their entire civilization does nothing but hunt, which is pretty much no civilization. Not that I want to see the Predator version of Dilbert wasting away at an office, but there's no way the entire civilization ONLY hunts. You can't become an interstellar species with a caveman intellect. And FTL ships would require an energy source. That requires an infrastructure, economy, etc.
Transmitted from Zeta Reticuli.
Unless all of their stuff is scavenged, or what we are seeing of Predator society is almost an interstellar-post-apocalypse version of their species.
That's what makes them so unique, they don't follow our trends. We study and advance because of several things ranging from curiosity to domination. We're curious so we learn about our world, Predators were likely curious too but their progression could've been guided by their desire to become better hunters and warriors.
The only thing we'd likely have in common is the huge technological leap that wars can bring, and they definitely had wars.
What if it's their hyper-aggression that caused them to become inter-stellar? We think "are we alone?" and we send messages out there in the hopes of meeting life. To Predators, they could've asked themselves "is there more prey out there? New hunting grounds?"
Their society just had completely different motivations for progressing. They likely did a mixture of creating their own technology and scavenging from other races to reverse engineer. They live for centuries, that's plenty of time for a single Predator to learn very useful things in life such as how to make better tools to aid in dominating their prey.
Their whole rules system is to prevent extinctions, likely done this since they were a planet bound race in order to keep prey plentiful on their homeworld before they spread out into the stars.
Imagine if people like them wore predator suits!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijng7iovqjw
There are no female predator in the script, sorry :-\