When the Prometheus crew find the dead Engineer bodies, one of them says that it looks as though something exploded out of their chests. So were there Xenomorphs, or similar creatures, already on LV-223 at the time of the accident?
Quote from: EJA on May 13, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
When the Prometheus crew find the dead Engineer bodies, one of them says that it looks as though something exploded out of their chests. So were there Xenomorphs, or similar creatures, already on LV-223 at the time of the accident?
What killed the Engineers about 2000 years ago at the LV-223 base?
Imo looking at the Blu-ray very close; :)
- What Milburn described as exploding from inside is not clearly seen on screen.
- And there is a shell of a head which indicates a brain exploding out.
Otherwise a lot of the dead Engineer suits are intact. (There is one body which has a strange shape.)
* The pile of Engineer's deaths seem to be due mostly from a Black Goo infection and monsters (like Fifield) from such an infection.
But from Milburn's comment, at least one Engineer might have been killed from a xenomorph (Deacon?) chestburster.
* But there are also holes in 3 the Engineer stasis pods. These can be seen when David is on the Engineer ship.
This indicates something was implanted in the Engineers who were in those 3 stasis pods.
Xenomorphs could have brought over xenomorph eggs to infect Engineers in the tunnels who then went to their ship.
:)
Quote from: bb-15 on May 13, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: EJA on May 13, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
When the Prometheus crew find the dead Engineer bodies, one of them says that it looks as though something exploded out of their chests. So were there Xenomorphs, or similar creatures, already on LV-223 at the time of the accident?
What killed the Engineers about 2000 years ago at the LV-223 base?
Imo looking at the Blu-ray very close; :)
- What Milburn described as exploding from inside is not clearly seen on screen.
- And there is a shell of a head which indicates a brain exploding out.
Otherwise a lot of the dead Engineer suits are intact. (There is one body which has a strange shape.)
* The pile of Engineer's deaths seem to be due mostly from a Black Goo infection and monsters (like Fifield) from such an infection.
But from Milburn's comment, at least one Engineer might have been killed from a xenomorph (Deacon?) chestburster.
* But there are also holes in 3 the Engineer stasis pods. These can be seen when David is on the Engineer ship.
This indicates something was implanted in the Engineers who were in those 3 stasis pods.
Xenomorphs could have brought over xenomorph eggs to infect Engineers in the tunnels who then went to their ship.
:)
It fits with A.C. David explanation of the black-goo effects. Most of the time it simply kills the affected. However sometimes it creates monsters.
Most of the engineers died due to the exposure, however some of them got killed by chestbusters and monsters that were created.
Quote from: klesk4ever on May 14, 2017, 01:17:46 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on May 13, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: EJA on May 13, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
When the Prometheus crew find the dead Engineer bodies, one of them says that it looks as though something exploded out of their chests. So were there Xenomorphs, or similar creatures, already on LV-223 at the time of the accident?
What killed the Engineers about 2000 years ago at the LV-223 base?
Imo looking at the Blu-ray very close; :)
- What Milburn described as exploding from inside is not clearly seen on screen.
- And there is a shell of a head which indicates a brain exploding out.
Otherwise a lot of the dead Engineer suits are intact. (There is one body which has a strange shape.)
* The pile of Engineer's deaths seem to be due mostly from a Black Goo infection and monsters (like Fifield) from such an infection.
But from Milburn's comment, at least one Engineer might have been killed from a xenomorph (Deacon?) chestburster.
* But there are also holes in 3 the Engineer stasis pods. These can be seen when David is on the Engineer ship.
This indicates something was implanted in the Engineers who were in those 3 stasis pods.
Xenomorphs could have brought over xenomorph eggs to infect Engineers in the tunnels who then went to their ship.
:)
It fits with A.C. David explanation of the black-goo effects. Most of the time it simply kills the affected. However sometimes it creates monsters.
Most of the engineers died due to the exposure, however some of them got killed by chestbusters and monsters that were created.
The black goo is a mutant. But the entire vase is not designed to act as a mutant. There are green ampules inside which contains a different transparent liquid. When the vases are discharged, both liquids mix and creates a swarm of nano-insects in the air which then rips and burns out any lifeform other than plants and trees. This is vaguely implied by David in Alien: Covenant.
Hence none of the engineers/humanoids got mutated but charred to death.
In Prometheus, There's a strong possibility of a presence of Protomorph/Ultramorph on LV_426 as the last running engineer in the hologram recording and who got decapitated, turned and looked back as if to check out the thing that was chasing them all.
The holes could also be from protrusion of Ultramorph's inner jaw attack. May be they had proto face hugger eggs in some different pyramid (as per the Mural) and got face hugged and got chestbursted.
As far as we know... The black goo alone or black goo+green goo doesn't account for any explosion from inside the body. They either mutate or charr the bodies to death, going with Prometheus and Covenant.
The Engineer head in Prometheus exploded because Shaw electrocuted it with high voltage until the black goo got unstable and burst his nerves. Whereas his infection was quite fresh and very much less of a threat.
Quote from: klesk4ever on May 14, 2017, 01:17:46 AM
It fits with A.C. David explanation of the black-goo effects. Most of the time it simply kills the affected. However sometimes it creates monsters.
It is almost like the 'goo' is self-aware. It 'does what it wants', like its
thinking.
That's a nice idea. Like its connected to some hive mind of some kind.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 15, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
In Prometheus, There's a strong possibility of a presence of Protomorph/Ultramorph on LV_(223) as the last running engineer in the hologram recording and who got decapitated, turned and looked back as if to check out the thing that was chasing them all.
Fox, I'd add that we can also call the creature that was chasing them a Deacon.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 15, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
They either mutate or charr the bodies to death, going with Prometheus and Covenant.
I think the black goo can do that and more.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 15, 2017, 02:47:27 PMAs far as we know... The black goo alone or black goo+green goo doesn't account for any explosion from inside the body.
The Engineer head in Prometheus exploded because Shaw electrocuted it with high voltage until the black goo got unstable and burst his nerves. Whereas his infection was quite fresh and very much less of a threat.
I've never been a fan of this electrocution film theory.
In the movie Shaw is quite puzzled why the Engineer head exploded. The reanimation procedure for ancient corpses seems to have been routine in the world of the film and imo can be accepted as a science-fiction idea.
- So my view (film theory) is that the black goo became activated in the Engineer head by the reanimation procedure.
- Result about one of the things that the black goo can do? One possibility is that a head can explode out.
In the pile of Engineer corpses, one head was completely hollowed out which supports this film theory.
- What could cause a black goo infected head to explode? One film theory is that it could be due to an interaction between the goo and some kind of transmission near the skin (such as with a communication device).
Energy from technology near the head activates black goo infected nerves/cells which rapidly cascade/expand to explode out of the skull.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 15, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
The holes could also be from protrusion of Ultramorph's inner jaw attack.
I'm not a fan of adult Deacons getting on the Engineer ship and using their jaws to precisely make chest area holes by crushing through 3 stasis enclosures and leaving one Engineer completely alone.
I prefer the film theory that 3 Chestbursters got out and left the ship.
Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 15, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
May be they had proto face hugger eggs in some different pyramid (as per the Mural) and got face hugged and got chestbursted.
This film theory from my view has a lot of speculation but with "Covenant" this is now unavoidable. It used to be that the only facehuggers we saw in the Alien movies were associated with the Xenomorph lifecycle.
- But because of the official explanation of "Covenant", the facehuggers in the wall sculpture and the chestburster holes in the stasis chambers cannot be associated with xenomorphs.
- We are left with a film theory that there are non-xenomorph facehuggers / Chestbursters on LV-223.
;)
Pretty sure the xenomorph was the accident.
QuoteThe Engineer head in Prometheus exploded because Shaw electrocuted it with high voltage until the black goo got unstable and burst his nerves. Whereas his infection was quite fresh and very much less of a threat.
I know she tried something with the voltage, but I thought the head exploded because they attempted to freeze it. Like the outside started to freeze and become brittle, but the inside was not frozen yet, and kept mutating/expanding until pop. That was always my theory on the head explosion anyways.
I think the goo is inert under certain temperature conditions. Once the head was warmed up, the good became active and started mutating the cells. The urn room seems to be a cold storage area for the goo. Once David opened the door the ambient temperature in the room increased and the goo was activated,
I always wondered if the infected Engineers were trying to get to the urn room in order to cool down and deactivate the goo.
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Jul 27, 2017, 03:40:26 AM
I think the goo is inert under certain temperature conditions. Once the head was warmed up, the good became active and started mutating the cells. The urn room seems to be a cold storage area for the goo. Once David opened the door the ambient temperature in the room increased and the goo was activated,
I always wondered if the infected Engineers were trying to get to the urn room in order to cool down and deactivate the goo.
I think it does too. Watched it again yesterday. David took it out of refrigeration before he gave it to Holloway, so that makes sense.
Could have been Hammerpedes that killed the Engineers for all we know. Where does it imply xenomorphs? All we see in the temple are Hammerpedes, and they are mutated worms native to LV-223.
Chestbursters are implied a couple of times.
Hammerpedes seem to go in and out the mouth - not through heads or chests.
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 17, 2017, 11:15:52 AM
Where does it imply xenomorphs?
When David starts up the hologram you hear a roar not to dissimilar to the roar the Deacon makes at the end.
The other sleeping pods within the Juggernaut have holes near the chest area.
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The sound is much more like a Deacon.
The hypersleep chambers are a much more stronger implication though.
I've always chalked it off to a Deacon like creature/s based on the sound and fact the deacon also bursts from the chest.
Similar creatures and mutated variants but I don't think the actual xenomorph as we know it turns up until Covenant.
I think the Engineers either predicted or worshiped something similar to the deacon in the past due to the mural. But David perfected the beast.
Quote from: EJA on May 13, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
When the Prometheus crew find the dead Engineer bodies, one of them says that it looks as though something exploded out of their chests. So were there Xenomorphs, or similar creatures, already on LV-223 at the time of the accident?
Before Alien: Covenant was released: I would say that's a fair assumption.
After Alien: Covenant was released: Who the hell knows? It seems like the black goo can cause all manner of things to burst forth from within. And, of course, there's the whole "David made the Alien" suff going on.
Except he definitely didn't create the creature from scratch. A form of creature existed long before David got his hands on the accelerant as displayed on the mural in Prometheus. Also, doesn't David say something to the effect of the engineers had their wolf and tried to banish him and now he had created his wolf in the advent short? There is Also, if you look carefully, in David's layer, a painting of the original Alien ovomorph hanging to the left of a painting of his new version of the ovomorph.
I imagine that yes some ancient form of the alien creature born from the Engineer's DNA accelerant mixture was running amok on LV-223. In my opnion anyway.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Oct 10, 2017, 04:17:36 PM
Except he definitely didn't create the creature from scratch. A form of creature existed long before David got his hands on the accelerant as displayed on the mural in Prometheus. Also, doesn't David say something to the effect of the engineers had their wolf and tried to banish him and now he had created his wolf in the advent short? There is Also, if you look carefully, in David's layer, a painting of the original Alien ovomorph hanging to the left of a painting of his new version of the ovomorph.
I imagine that yes some ancient form of the alien creature born from the Engineer's DNA accelerant mixture was running amok on LV-223. In my opnion anyway.
You've pretty much captured why I find A:C so disappointing. In terms of simple storying telling / answering the big questions, it's such a muddled mess. Answers are possibly hidden in Blu Ray extras, which either (a) clarify or (b) contradict what we've seen before. I find that infuriating. Extras, deleted scenes and virals are all well and good, but they should do no more that supplement the little details. This doesn't feel like a mystery slowly coming into focus; it feels like they changed course completely from one film to the next.
It got out, turned on them. The end. It's time for us to go home.