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It could be perfect. They dabble in exploration, science and military. Ideal for horror, thriller or action. Or a mix.
Give them proper titles and appropriate marketing so people better know what to expect.

-Ridley Scott could continue making movies that focus on creation (Engineers) and AI (androids).
-Let Craig Zahler (Bone Tomahawk, Brawl In CB 99) do a brutal thriller under the banner of Alien
-Give Blomkamp a chance to create an action-filled Aliens 2 to satisfy the thirst of action fans.
-Reboot AvP.
-...

The movies don't even have the connect. The only constant should be Weyland-Yutani and an R-Rating.

Thoughts?

Better to make it an Alien movie universe more than Weyland-Yutani.

Alien Universe.

Too late now. Blew it.

With an Alien Universe you know people are gonna complain when a movie doesn't contain (enough) xenomorphs or action.
"This movie's about androids! Why is this part of the Alien Universe?! Etc."

Well it is part of the Alien universe, it takes place using the same character's, it just doesn't have a xenomorph and explores all the things you listed...which exist in the Alien universe, like Weyland Yutani belongs to the Alien universe.

Think of like Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, they're two separate films that exist in the Lord of the Rings universe.
Or
Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts and that new Voldermort prequel coming out. All of them are separate films but exist somewhere in the Harry Potter universe.

Guess what I'm trying to see is the Alien doesn't belong to the Weyland yutani universe. Weyland yutani belongs to the Alien universe, even if they're separate films.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 08, 2017, 02:38:15 AM
With an Alien Universe you know people are gonna complain when a movie doesn't contain (enough) xenomorphs or action.
"This movie's about androids! Why is this part of the Alien Universe?! Etc."

Alien movies need to have some connection to the Alien.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 08, 2017, 02:38:15 AM
With an Alien Universe you know people are gonna complain when a movie doesn't contain (enough) xenomorphs or action.
"This movie's about androids! Why is this part of the Alien Universe?! Etc."

No that's the point. If it's inside the Alien Universe it doesn't need to have Aliens in it, but it's an offshoot of the concepts. That way nobody's going to complain that a David movie has no Aliens because your Universe title is enough.

Id prefer a TV show for something like this. Think that BSG prequel Caprica.

It would be not enough action for a movie series, yet the whole setting would be too far out to become too serious/realistic (hope that makes sense lol).

I would still be interested in seeing a tv series that serves as a prequel to Aliens. It could show how the colonists try to hold off the Aliens as they begin to overrun the colony. It could be super suspenseful too, colonists going missing one at a time, until just the kids are left running around in the vents, then eventually, all but Newt is left.

Other films within the universe would be a neat expansion as well, but if Alien is in the title, there damn well better be an Alien in the movie.

Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 08, 2017, 04:20:32 AM
I would still be interested in seeing a tv series that serves as a prequel to Aliens. It could show how the colonists try to hold off the Aliens as they begin to overrun the colony. It could be super suspenseful too, colonists going missing one at a time, until just the kids are left running around in the vents, then eventually, all but Newt is left.

That would be a great idea for a mini-series, and I'd love to see something like that.  I don't know how long you could draw it out, though.

I voted No.

QuoteI don't know how long you could draw it out, though.

I think you could easily get about 12 to 16 episodes depending on how much detail they want to put into it. Definitely only for one season though.

Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 08, 2017, 02:50:37 AM
Well it is part of the Alien universe, it takes place using the same character's, it just doesn't have a xenomorph and explores all the things you listed...which exist in the Alien universe, like Weyland Yutani belongs to the Alien universe.

Think of like Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, they're two separate films that exist in the Lord of the Rings universe.
Or
Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts and that new Voldermort prequel coming out. All of them are separate films but exist somewhere in the Harry Potter universe.

Guess what I'm trying to see is the Alien doesn't belong to the Weyland yutani universe. Weyland yutani belongs to the Alien universe, even if they're separate films.

Quote from: Highland on Dec 08, 2017, 03:43:47 AM

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 08, 2017, 02:38:15 AM
With an Alien Universe you know people are gonna complain when a movie doesn't contain (enough) xenomorphs or action.
"This movie's about androids! Why is this part of the Alien Universe?! Etc."

No that's the point. If it's inside the Alien Universe it doesn't need to have Aliens in it, but it's an offshoot of the concepts. That way nobody's going to complain that a David movie has no Aliens because your Universe title is enough.

I picked Weyland-Yutani because it sounds more general to me.
We understand it's a spin-off but, in the words of the great George Carlin "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
Mention Alien Universe and you can bet most people are gonna expect a bunch of movies featuring xenomorphs.

That's not stupidity - that's meeting an expectation.

Quote from: SM on Dec 08, 2017, 05:28:23 AM
That's not stupidity - that's meeting an expectation.

Sorry, I meant even in the case they do a crystal clear press release and the right marketing and such.
It's why I'm more in favor of Weyland-Yutani as a name. Even though Alien Universe is more appropriate.
It just seems more simple to me to market and to explain to the general audience.

Alien is iconic.

Only fans know what Weyland-Yutani is.

Quote from: SM on Dec 08, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
Alien is iconic.

Only fans know what Weyland-Yutani is.

This.

Weylan Yutani

There's hardly enough demand for further Alien movies, let alone a cinematic universe.
Not to mention that shared universes are so 2016. All attempts outside Marvel have crashed and burned.

how about a netflix series? something separate to the covenant storyline but still taking place in the same universe with the same beast but new ideas

Quote from: SM on Dec 08, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
Alien is iconic.

Only fans know what Weyland-Yutani is.

With a proper press release the general audience would know too.
Seems easier than explaining an Alien Universe that will contain movies without aliens.

Quote from: Kane's other son on Dec 08, 2017, 01:55:05 PM
There's hardly enough demand for further Alien movies, let alone a cinematic universe.
Not to mention that shared universes are so 2016. All attempts outside Marvel have crashed and burned.

I think others failed because of bad planning. Marvel are the only ones who worked out a somewhat decent plan.

Whatever you want to call it; Weyland-Yutani movie universe or expanded Alien film universe; this expansion has already been accomplished by the two prequels.
There is an expansion on; the Space Jockey (Engineers), the Engineer main weapon (the black goo), creatures which are created using the black goo (Hammerpede, Deacon, Trilobite, Neomorph as well as an origin of the Xenomorph), the discovery of the Engineer home planet, an explanation of why LV-426 was off limits (since it was next to LV-223 where bad things happened), a colony planet Origae-6 and so on.
- Compare all of that expansion to the first 4 Alien movies.
In terms of location; 2 on LV-426, on earth space station (A2 / A4) and Fiorina "Fury" 161 (A3).
The kinds of monsters; xenomorphs/eggs/facehuggers and a queen.

;)   

Marvel's plan was relatively straight forward. Start with small-fry and work your way up. Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, then Avengers. So on, and so forth. It's not just the plan though, it was the fairly consistent execution across the films. They all harmonise really well. That's not something any of the Alien films have ever done. They are very tonally different. Alien is a haunted house in space, Aliens is a war movie, Alien 3 is a gothic horror. They have some thematic ties, but they're very distinct films in a number of key ways.

I don't really see a huge demand forming for something like that. I mean, for a fan, it's always a little fun to think of movies like Outland or Blade Runner existing in the same universe as Alien. Which is basically what we're talking about here, only the reverse. Making movies that are designed to inhabit the Alien universe without the Alien.

To me, Weyland Yutani, at leas the cliche version that has been propagated in the films and EU, has always been the least interesting thing in the franchise. I always preferred the interpretation of a corporation that wasn't malicious trying to do things, and instead was so automated, cold, and disconnected from it's people that things like what happened in the first film could happen, because it was all automatic. Things are just done by a large computer "network."

But we'd never get that. We'd get the dark room with a bunch of suits smoking cigars plotting on how they would proceed with their next big step in "TeH eVuL conspiracy to haz da Aliem!"

Quote from: bb-15 on Dec 08, 2017, 07:03:33 PM
Whatever you want to call it; Weyland-Yutani movie universe or expanded Alien film universe; this expansion has already been accomplished by the two prequels.
There is an expansion on; the Space Jockey (Engineers), the Engineer main weapon (the black goo), creatures which are created using the black goo (Hammerpede, Deacon, Trilobite, Neomorph as well as an origin of the Xenomorph), the discovery of the Engineer home planet, an explanation of why LV-426 was off limits (since it was next to LV-223 where bad things happened), a colony planet Origae-6 and so on.
- Compare all of that expansion to the first 4 Alien movies.
In terms of location; 2 on LV-426, on earth space station (A2 / A4) and Fiorina "Fury" 161 (A3).
The kinds of monsters; xenomorphs/eggs/facehuggers and a queen.

;)   

You're talking about "stuff." Which is not the same thing as actual narrative expansion. The prequels aren't really expansions on the universe. They shrink the Alien universe by a great deal. Just about every major mystery has been tied and connected to humanity in some way.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 08, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
Things are just done by a large computer network.

Could you explain that more, not sure if I follow.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 08, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
Marvel's plan was relatively straight forward. Start with small-fry and work your way up. Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, then Avengers. So on, and so forth. It's not just the plan though, it was the fairly consistent execution across the films. They all harmonise really well. That's not something any of the Alien films have ever done. They are very tonally different. Alien is a haunted house in space, Aliens is a war movie, Alien 3 is a gothic horror. They have some thematic ties, but they're very distinct films in a number of key ways.

I don't really see a huge demand forming for something like that. I mean, for a fan, it's always a little fun to think of movies like Outland or Blade Runner existing in the same universe as Alien. Which is basically what we're talking about here, only the reverse. Making movies that are designed to inhabit the Alien universe without the Alien.

To me, Weyland Yutani, at leas the cliche version that has been propagated in the films and EU, has always been the least interesting thing in the franchise. I always preferred the interpretation of a corporation that wasn't malicious trying to do things, and instead was so automated, cold, and disconnected from it's people that things like what happened in the first film could happen, because it was all automatic. Things are just done by a large computer "network."

But we'd never get that. We'd get the dark room with a bunch of suits smoking cigars plotting on how they would proceed with their next big step in "TeH eVuL conspiracy to haz da Aliem!"

Marvel didn't start out with an expanded universe. Blade and the earlier Spider-Man movies come to mind. Those didn't harmonise.
It's only after some time they started up their cinematic universe.

For a possible WY or Alien universe, I don't see why they have to connect. Sure, it could happen on occasion when it's planned out well.
But I'm just thinking of seperate movies in the same universe. Probably all with the same special effects people or something so they feel a bit similar.

Another reason I chose a WYU over an AU, the interpretation of WY aside, is because it's the common element in all the movies. Just seems logical to me. And easy to incorporate in any movie. Putting a logo here and there is more practical than always having to refer to the alien or some thing connected to another movie. Add the occasional easter egg in the background.

I'm well aware chances of this happening are slim to none. It's all just making conversation.

Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 08, 2017, 07:23:54 PM

Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 08, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
Things are just done by a large computer network.

Could you explain that more, not sure if I follow.

It's something of a reference to a conversation that was had on here some time ago regarding things like Special Order 937. I came to my own personal conclusion/interpretation of the original Alien. Insofar as "The Company" was concerned, there was no ONE on the other end of Special Order 937, the transfer of Ash, etc... Nobody sitting at home on Earth waiting for an outcome. It was more just a symptom of the companies paranoia to control everything that was too far out of reach to control. So they had clauses, contingencies, special orders, for just about everything, and in those situations where SO's were activated, they had enforcers in the form of androids and computer systems to protect their interests.

QuoteMarvel didn't start out with an expanded universe. Blade and the earlier Spider-Man movies come to mind. Those didn't harmonise.
It's only after some time they started up their cinematic universe.

It hinged on the success of Iron Man, because Fox owned the more popular X-Men and Fantastic Four.

The series idea ain't bad either.
Could be stand-alone stories or serve as prequels to movies.
The only downside I can think of is the budget. I'm guessing it might be too expensive to do it properly.

We get how many Marvel movies each year? Two Star Wars flicks each year.
So I want one Alien or Alien related move a year, goddamnit! You read me Hollywood? You read meeeeee?!?!?!

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 09, 2017, 04:55:52 AM
The series idea ain't bad either.
Could be stand-alone stories or serve as prequels to movies.
The only downside I can think of is the budget. I'm guessing it might be too expensive to do it properly.

We get how many Marvel movies each year? Two Star Wars flicks each year.
So I want one Alien or Alien related move a year, goddamnit! You read me Hollywood? You read meeeeee?!?!?!

Haven't you heard? The beast is cooked. Now shut up and get ready for David 3

David 3 sounds infinitely better than Disney-fied Alien.

I want it all!

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 13, 2017, 12:13:47 AM
David 3 sounds infinitely better than Disney-fied Alien.

Talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place.

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 13, 2017, 12:13:47 AM
David 3 sounds infinitely better than Disney-fied Alien.

I'll take my chances with the Mouse. It's clear that Scott doesn't give a shit about the Alien part anymore, and I'm not about to sit through another two hour David handjob session if I don't have to.

Honestly as much as Disney scares me, it might be a good move. They've gotten some great directors together and have really polished up the recent star wars movies.

Disney are just about churning out lowest common denominator/populist corporate products for mass consumption.  They want to appeal to the widest market possible.  Expect PG-13.

Quote from: Deathbearer on Dec 13, 2017, 12:33:21 AM

I'll take my chances with the Mouse. It's clear that Scott doesn't give a shit about the Alien part anymore, and I'm not about to sit through another two hour David handjob session if I don't have to.

Yeah he doesn't give a shit about the alien anymore, but he does give a shit about making a quality movie.

Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 13, 2017, 12:55:28 AM
Disney are just about churning out lowest common denominator/populist corporate products for mass consumption.  They want to appeal to the widest market possible.  Expect PG-13.

Quote from: Deathbearer on Dec 13, 2017, 12:33:21 AM

I'll take my chances with the Mouse. It's clear that Scott doesn't give a shit about the Alien part anymore, and I'm not about to sit through another two hour David handjob session if I don't have to.

Yeah he doesn't give a shit about the alien anymore, but he does give a shit about making a quality movie.

Yeah, the blood puddle slip scenes and the ship explosion were both some top quality comedy segments, I'll give Scott that much at least.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 13, 2017, 12:20:32 AM
I want it all!

Disney already got that covered.  Ashley Tisdale lead in the next flick.

Quote from: Deathbearer on Dec 13, 2017, 01:01:07 AM

Yeah, the blood puddle slip scenes and the ship explosion were both some top quality comedy segments, I'll give Scott that much at least.

Nothing wrong with a bit of dark humour, especially in a horror movie.

I imagined Alien 3 to focus on that, i.e., following one of the unused scripts, political and corporate intrigue, as the four survivors of the second movie make it to a large space city amidst conflict between various factions.

If it's anything like Alien Covenant origins novel GOD NO!

Could those against this universe idea expand on the why?

Everybody would get something they'd like to see so I don't see the downside.

Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 13, 2017, 12:40:08 AM
Honestly as much as Disney scares me, it might be a good move. They've gotten some great directors together and have really polished up the recent star wars movies.

I think it could be good as long as they can make it R-Rated somehow.

A Weyland-Yutani universe sounds kind of vague.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 13, 2017, 03:14:41 AM
I think it could be good as long as they can make it R-Rated somehow.

R-Rated is overrated.

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2017, 04:00:21 AM
A Weyland-Yutani universe sounds kind of vague.

The name aside.

Quote from: Biomechanoid on Dec 13, 2017, 04:35:11 AMR-Rated is overrated.

It's not a guarantee for succes but it gives the creators more freedom.
That and I don't like sterelized PG-13 violence.

I, as a fan, like to find out more stuff about the universe.

But why would the average punter care?

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2017, 05:48:33 AM
I, as a fan, like to find out more stuff about the universe.

But why would the average punter care?

Prometheus seemed to indicate they did actually care.

Prometheus is linked to Alien.

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2017, 07:37:18 PM
Prometheus is linked to Alien.

So would any Universe movie be.

The interest was clearly there for Alien movies without Aliens in them since it kept making cash.

QuoteSo would any Universe movie be.

Would it?  I was under the impression they wouldn't.  Prometheus has Space Jockies, so linked to Alien.  Would every WY film have either Aliens or Jockies or Derelicts or what?

At least some monsters of some form, all linked back to the Accelerant... in all of the films.

I'd love to see Engineers and Neomorphs again.




Maybe a film about a deep space exploration vessel being "contacted" and boarded by the crew of a Juggernaut.
A situation where they contact US, instead of the other way around.

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2017, 11:44:57 PM

QuoteSo would any Universe movie be.

Would it?  I was under the impression they wouldn't.  Prometheus has Space Jockies, so linked to Alien.  Would every WY film have either Aliens or Jockies or Derelicts or what?

Well I assumed that 's what the OP meant. Movies about the Goo, Derelict, Androids (Pulse Rifles) etc

Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 13, 2017, 12:40:08 AM
Honestly as much as Disney scares me, it might be a good move. They've gotten some great directors together and have really polished up the recent star wars movies.

Directors don't have much power or creative freedom on Disney films like their producers do. It will be PG-13 most likely, due to this; with Disney, priority #1 is making insurmountable amounts of money at the expense of everything else. It essentially means they intentionally appeal to the lowest common denominator of movie goers out there.

Quote from: Highland on Dec 14, 2017, 12:10:07 AM

Quote from: SM on Dec 13, 2017, 11:44:57 PM

QuoteSo would any Universe movie be.

Would it?  I was under the impression they wouldn't.  Prometheus has Space Jockies, so linked to Alien.  Would every WY film have either Aliens or Jockies or Derelicts or what?

Well I assumed that 's what the OP meant. Movies about the Goo, Derelict, Androids (Pulse Rifles) etc

I'd class those as 'Alien' movies rather than 'Weyland-Yutani' movies.  Well maybe not androids.  That's more broad.

I'll try again for the cheap seats.

The idea is for a movie universe for Alien movies and movies related to Alien.
But since there wouldn't be the typical xenomorph in every movie, I opted for something broader: Weyland-Yutani.
Because something like "Alien Universe announces deep space horror about androids" doesn't sound right to me.
Add an Engineer movie to the list and you got two movies not about the Aliens.
You catch my drift?

If it's related to Alien, then it's an Alien movie.
If it's corporate espionage between the Company and the Three World Empire and not an extraterrestrial in sight, then it's a Weyland-Yutani movie.


I guess my seats are just too cheap...

But what is the purpose of the Weyland-Yutani Universe?

a) The goal is to turn the Alien setting into a massive Star Wars-style universe, since many of the elements that the OP mentioned above, already belong to the original franchise (I guess the goal is to explore these key elements in greater depth).

b) A shared universe (Marvel / DC style) conceived by crossing over different characters and elements from different franchises (something like AVP but on a larger scale).

c) A combination of a and b. 

Alien is a horror franchise.  It's about ordinary people trying to not get eaten by nightmarish monsters.  How many horror universes are there?

It's hard to make comparisons to Marvel or Star Wars.  Marvel had decades of heroes, villains and storylines to draw on.  In the first part of Star Wars we have this huge stage set for the players - interstellar civil war between an evil empire and small band of rebels, robots, a princess, an ancient order of warrior monks using a mystical energy field, hints at galactic politics, smugglers, a zillion different aliens and spaceships, etc.  The popularity of the Star Wars EU shows how it can be broad universe even if the films are, essentially, people shooting lasers at each other.

Star Trek is probably even better than Star Wars in terms of setting because you're not effectively restricted to war.

The universe of Alien is pretty mundane.  It's shitty jobs that people don't like now, transplanted into space in the future.  By and large they're not explorers, super heroes or soldiers in a war.  People - be they truck drivers, marines, prisoners, colonists - spend a great deal of time being bored and griping about how much everything sucks.

I'm sure you could tell interesting stories that don't have any connection to the Alien, but is anyone going to be interested in an Alien film with no Aliens?  What stories are you going to tell?

Fair enough. However, a reboot from the scratch could bring another approach and a different interpretation of the source material.

Of course.  But again what sort of stories do you tell?  Seven origin films about the Nostromo crew culminating in an Avengers-esque remake of Alien?  Would the average punter want a colonial marines war movie or do they want their marines shooting Alien?  The question is - why make a movie in that universe, if you're going to ignore one of the main drawcards?

Might as well make you're own proprietary sci-fi universe and stop sending cheques to Ron Shusett and Dan O'Bannon's missus.

Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 01:42:12 AM
If it's related to Alien, then it's an Alien movie.
If it's corporate espionage between the Company and the Three World Empire and not an extraterrestrial in sight, then it's a Weyland-Yutani movie.


I guess my seats are just too cheap...

You're contradicting yourself.
The Company is related to Alien, so according to your logic any movie involving the Company without any xenomorphs would still be an Alien movie.

Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 03:02:23 AM
I'm sure you could tell interesting stories that don't have any connection to the Alien, but is anyone going to be interested in an Alien film with no Aliens?  What stories are you going to tell?

Prometheus has it share of fans. No xenomorphs in that one.
What stories? Engineers, creation, black goo, androids, deep space exploration,...

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Dec 14, 2017, 02:33:52 AM
But what is the purpose of the Weyland-Yutani Universe?

More movies with less time between the releases and with proper marketing.
Just more movies is what it comes down to  ;D

Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 03:40:10 AM
Of course.  But again what sort of stories do you tell?  Seven origin films about the Nostromo crew culminating in an Avengers-esque remake of Alien?  Would the average punter want a colonial marines war movie or do they want their marines shooting Alien?

I'm not sure but maybe (just as an example) if you turn the whole thing into a Lovecraftian horror franchise (the concept of utterly incomprehensible creatures living in a dark universe, totally indifferent to the human race), trough a reboot, you could do all kinds of things with the Alien mythos. I don't know if that would be profitable for film studios, though.

And yes, I'm aware that right now there are not many horror-universes out there. Currently the only shared universes of monsters are the Dark Universe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Monsters#Dark_Universe) and the Monsterverse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonsterVerse), even though the last one is not exactly a real horror universe.

QuoteThe question is - why make a movie in that universe, if you're going to ignore one of the main drawcards?

Well, one can argue that Ridley almost did it trough Prometheus.

QuoteYou're contradicting yourself.
The Company is related to Alien, so according to your logic any movie involving the Company without any xenomorphs would still be an Alien movie.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around your logic.  It seems to be Alien universe vs. Weyland-Yutani universe.  The latter would exclude any links to Alien apart from the Company - hence the name - so I'm trying to follow your lead.

QuotePrometheus has it share of fans. No xenomorphs in that one.
What stories? Engineers, creation, black goo, androids, deep space exploration,...

Engineers and black goo are linked to Alien.  As I already pointed out.  Not sure deep space exploration really fits the tone.  There's really two explorers in all these films - Shaw and Holloway (Kane, kind of too).  Everyone else is just doing a job, and not one they particularly enjoy.  The idealism of exploration for explorations sake is mostly absent.

QuoteWell, one can argue that Ridley almost did it trough Prometheus.

The keyword is "almost".  It has direct links to Alien via the Engineers and monsters sticking stuff down people's throats.  If it had no links whatsoever to Alien other than the Company, and it was successful, then there's your launching pad.

I like the idea of many different monsters made by the accelerate and other booby traps David has laid in his spare time, I mean who knows if he made any stops before he arrives at Planet 4.  ???  In addition, a story that could be told is of the A.I. rebellion and them finding out David is out there fighting to "free them" with the Xenos, maybe some of em go on a quest to find him and one of the Androids is really like another Walter and tries to stop the Evil ones and ya could call em Micheal or Michele to fight Lucifer himself. There's many many many good and heavy directions this could go into if they made it like a Marvel or DC universe movie thing for sure. Also, I really like the idea of the Engineers meeting up with humans and understanding we might be worth having a conversation with in lieu of the Planet 4 bombing and the new Xeno threat that's gonna rape and kill everything that breathes and so perhaps our parents decide to quit being abusive alcoholics and turn over a new leaf.  :-\  For sure some interesting dynamics with that whole creation thing and new themes of redemption since we're deep in biblical territory with this stuff now.

They can probably make it a TV show. It shouldn't cost much.

Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 04:46:33 AM
I'm just trying to wrap my head around your logic.  It seems to be Alien universe vs. Weyland-Yutani universe.  The latter would exclude any links to Alien apart from the Company - hence the name - so I'm trying to follow your lead.

I'm not talking about excluding any links to Alien. Just about stories not involving the appearance of a xeno (or xenos).

Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 04:46:33 AMEngineers and black goo are linked to Alien.  As I already pointed out.  Not sure deep space exploration really fits the tone.  There's really two explorers in all these films - Shaw and Holloway (Kane, kind of too).  Everyone else is just doing a job, and not one they particularly enjoy.  The idealism of exploration for explorations sake is mostly absent.

Deep space exploration fits the tone imo. New crew, new planet, new discoveries and dangers.
Actual exploration expedition were led by the explorers, while the rest were baggage carriers, guides, animal experts,...
Who cares if they're just doing a job and if they enjoy it or not. It's a movie.

I'm sorry if I sound confusing or vague. Maybe it's the language barrier. But others seem to get the gist.

QuoteWho cares if they're just doing a job and if they enjoy it or not. It's a movie.

It's also not Star Trek.  If you want to boldly go - there's plenty of Star Trek to go around.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 14, 2017, 03:49:04 PM
Who cares if they're just doing a job and if they enjoy it or not. It's a movie.

Well, it's one of the bedrock pieces of tone and theme that we are exposed to over and over in the first three films. "This job sucks" is part and parcel to the original films, and it's a big piece of what makes the films feel grounded and real. They aren't dudes in nifty space-jump suits going around being all noble and stuff. They're blue collar people working a job, serving in the military, running prisons, generally just getting on with life.

Indeed. It's even present in Prometheus. Less so in Covenant.  It's part if the universe. If you want to ditch the Alien and the corporate shit kicker tone, you move further and further away from the unique aspects of the universe. Why bother?

Again you're assuming everything would be excluded.

The mix of people who'd love their job and those who don't, worked well in Prometheus.
So what would it matter if there's one or a few who'd actually like what they're doing. Doesn't mean everyone has to like their job.

Also, I think it's nice for a change that someone does something considered dangerous (and stupid) out of personal interest in the subject.
Unlike the typical grunt who just does it because he's considered less-educated or something.

QuoteAgain you're assuming everything would be excluded.

That's effectively what you're telling me.  Stuff with Alien and stuff without.  The core of the universe is the Alien; not the Company.  I'm struggling to see why your average cinema goer would be interested in a fictional company they might have a faint recollection of.

The very word 'Alien' speaks volumes on its own.

So it's Seinfeld set in the Alien universe?  A show about nothing?

I assumed the poll would be an indicator this concept would draw zero interest. But currently sitting at 50/50%, I guess I shouldn't make assumptions.

Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 09:54:41 PM

QuoteAgain you're assuming everything would be excluded.

That's effectively what you're telling me.  Stuff with Alien and stuff without.  The core of the universe is the Alien; not the Company.  I'm struggling to see why your average cinema goer would be interested in a fictional company they might have a faint recollection of.

The very word 'Alien' speaks volumes on its own.

I provided a counter argument on the like or don't like job aspect.
Now you choose to ignore that and go back to something I've already addressed in previous posts.
Don't know if you have trouble accepting others' thoughts, are thick or just trolling.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 14, 2017, 10:25:22 PM

Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 09:54:41 PM

QuoteAgain you're assuming everything would be excluded.

That's effectively what you're telling me.  Stuff with Alien and stuff without.  The core of the universe is the Alien; not the Company.  I'm struggling to see why your average cinema goer would be interested in a fictional company they might have a faint recollection of.

The very word 'Alien' speaks volumes on its own.

I provided a counter argument on the like or don't like job aspect.
Now you choose to ignore that and go back to something I've already addressed in previous posts.
Don't know if you have trouble accepting others' thoughts, are thick or just trolling.

I could make the same argument about you ignoring the tone.  I didn't respond to your point - or in your words 'ignored' it -  because it wasn't worth pursuing that line of argument.  Neither of us was going to change our minds.

Overall I just have trouble finding your arguments convincing.

Thanks for the snark though.  That really helped.

Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 10:36:19 PMI could make the same argument about you ignoring the tone.  I didn't respond to your point - or in your words 'ignored' it -  because it wasn't worth pursuing that line of argument.  Neither of us was going to change our minds.

Overall I just have trouble finding your arguments convincing.

Thanks for the snark though.  That really helped.

Where am I ignoring the tone?
It'd still be horror. Either a horror-thriller (tone: Alien, Alien 3, Prometheus) or horror-action (tone: Aliens).
Or is it impossible to make a decent movie like that without xenomorphs?

Then why create those in the Alien universe? Because it fits said universe, because WY is a good jumping-off point for different kinds of movies, because WY is part of that universe.
Then why not an Alien Movie Universe? Because if there'd be movies with non-typical Alien stuff, like androids or creation, people would go, why is this part of the Alien Movie Universe?

Not pursuing the line of argument...
You assumed that I would exclude everything. In this case the work ethic. I said it could also be like in Prometheus. I never said to drop the whole thing. Then you go: "That effectively what you're telling me."
This isn't about changing eachother's minds, it's about you reading into things just because you don't like them.
Don't like what I say? Fine. But don't go twisting my words.

I'm not sure I'm twisting anything. I certainly wasn't trying to.

Perhaps post again when you're less upset?

Weyland Yutani could be a TV show for sure, but the movie versions would definitely have to ride off the back of the Alien title. You could ( controversial moment) even introduce the Predator into that Alien Universe.

It seems though we are all a bit late to the party on this and hindsight is a great thing. The studio screwed up the AVPs and now they've pretty much screwed up Scotts expansion. I'll give the old boy credit where it's due, he was on the right path with his first go and the studio appear to have screwed it yet again. It seems just like a recurring sequence, like Sony with Spiderman.

They've got something with potential, they just need to get the right heads together.

Quote from: Highland on Dec 15, 2017, 02:20:45 PMYou could ( controversial moment) even introduce the Predator into that Alien Universe.

Thought about that too.
We know from Predator 2 the government or whoever it was, was interested.
Could easily be turned into a certain company, contracted by the government.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 15, 2017, 04:09:11 PM

Quote from: Highland on Dec 15, 2017, 02:20:45 PMYou could ( controversial moment) even introduce the Predator into that Alien Universe.

Thought about that too.
We know from Predator 2 the government or whoever it was, was interested.
Could easily be turned into a certain company, contracted by the government.

I like the idea of keeping the government out of it. Like how the CIA would do things where the US government would have either no idea or be given false information instead, like in the movie "American Made". So, maybe the given agency gets a hold off the technology and shoots to the top via the help of Weyland or Yutani industries before the merger....more of a fanboy view of it.

Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 15, 2017, 04:33:56 PMI like the idea of keeping the government out of it. Like how the CIA would do things where the US government would have either no idea or be given false information instead, like in the movie "American Made". So, maybe the given agency gets a hold off the technology and shoots to the top via the help of Weyland or Yutani industries before the merger....more of a fanboy view of it.

Yeah, something like that.
I was thinking of a government agency asking WY for help because they're experts. But they'd keep certain things for themselves.
Or someone working for the agency is also working for WY.