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Title: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2021, 06:30:03 PM
https://twitter.com/edbrisson/status/1372568767432118275

Marvel launches an ongoing Predator title
https://www.gamesradar.com/marvel-launches-an-ongoing-predator-title/ (https://www.gamesradar.com/marvel-launches-an-ongoing-predator-title/)

Upcoming June 2021 Marvel Comics revealed
https://www.gamesradar.com/marvel-comics-june-2021-solicitations/
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Master Chief on Mar 18, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
Been waiting for this news!  I ordered all of the Alien main and variant covers and will do the same for Predator.  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2021, 06:44:40 PM
Ongoing Series as well!

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/d3/4f/bed34fd34e5aa2b1416420069f6c8725.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2021, 07:05:49 PM
Better artist than the Alien series, too. :D
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Mar 18, 2021, 07:18:53 PM
Great Covers and a solid team to back it up. That's cool it's going with the space/ future approach(shut up and take my money.) Looking forward to this.

Real talk tho, Dr. Aphra is one of the worst Star Wars characters, hands down.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2021, 07:33:07 PM
Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Variant Cover by RYAN BROWN
Variant Cover by PHILIP TAN
Variant Cover by RAHZZAH
Variant Cover by PEACH MOMOKO
LAUNCH VARIANT COVER BY DAVID FINCH
PREMIERE VARIANT COVER BY LEINIL FRANCIS YU
VARIANT COVER BY INHYUK LEE
VIRGIN VARIANT COVER BY INHYUK LEE
VARIANT COVER BY RON LIM
VARIANT COVER BY SKOTTIE YOUNG
WRAPAROUND CAMOUFLAGE VARIANT COVER ALSO AVAILABLE
HUNT. KILL. REPEAT.

So this cover is awesome but is its basis a toy? It definitely has a Hot Toys kind of feel, but better, more dynamic, no seams. Or is just photorealistic art, which I've been surprised by in more than one occasion?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PREDATOR2021001_Rahzzah.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Mar 18, 2021, 08:43:44 PM
The Philip Tan cover looks like he has an Alien innner jaw, whoops. Too many teeth.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 18, 2021, 09:11:22 PM
Hell ya! Nice find NA! Really interested in the future setting and like the article stated I'm sure that Marvel will be setting up an AVP story sooner rather than later! Really pleased that Marvel isn't sitting on these properties!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: HumanPredator on Mar 18, 2021, 09:33:38 PM
Once again small personal story.  Great!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: DaniillLogOut on Mar 18, 2021, 09:37:04 PM
Hmmm. Any signs of tracing ?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 18, 2021, 10:05:41 PM
I dig the near future space setting. Curious to see what world-building they do. Seems clear they're gearing up for AvP probably a year or so down the line.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 18, 2021, 10:33:20 PM
It seems Marvel is doing things a bit better here with Predator. A stronger creative team, a simpler story, and while I can't be sure about tracing on a cover (that one does look like it's based on the Hot Toys figures) Kev Walker is a solid choice even if you might not realize it's him in a line up. Overall the synopsis and creative team does inspire confidence in the project.

I'm definitely in agreement an AVP is somewhere in the pipeline. Though I would sincerely hope it's not for two years at best of story arcs. The thing is for a big crossover is that you need to have a status-quo for things to be shaken up. An event can be fun but it's Alien and Predator that is the ongoing, not AVP. Most people simply don't like having a book interrupted by an event. When we get there I'd hope AVP is its own book to do the crossover.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Mar 19, 2021, 12:57:40 AM
You  whay will be cool this predator is from the same clan as scarface and scarface makes a cameo similar to predator 2 ending
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2021, 02:59:40 AM
Looking at Ed Brisson's body of work makes me anticipate this book even more. This and the upcoming omnibus should make it quite a Summer for Predator comics!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Mar 19, 2021, 07:34:22 AM
Love that second cover, and the night vision one looks cool too! Sounds like they've got a solid team on this one. Bit surprised to hear it's set in the future, but that's clearly going to be Marvel's way of introducing AVP at some point and having it tie in with (or spin out of) their ongoing Aliens and Predator series.

I wasn't entirely sure we'd be seeing Marvel's first Predator series so soon, even with all the variant promotion they've been doing, so it'll be interesting to see how this goes!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 08:21:53 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2021, 07:33:07 PM
So this cover is awesome but is its basis a toy? It definitely has a Hot Toys kind of feel, but better, more dynamic, no seams. Or is just photorealistic art, which I've been surprised by in more than one occasion?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PREDATOR2021001_Rahzzah.jpg)

I love the cover concept but I do feel like that one is "too good". God, I hate how we're now defaulted to "where did that come from?" when it comes to these things!

I'm really intrigued by the future settings. It's not something we get too much of Predator-wise. Only really think of AvP itself, Forever Midnight (vomit), Flesh and Blood (yay) and one or two shorts in If It Bleeds (also yay) so be interesting to see it in it's own Predator comic. Adam and I talked about it on our Motion Tracker, but also curious to see if they follow Alien's aesthetic nature for the spaceships.

I'm not familiar with the creatives behind this yet, but I need to have a look at Kev's art and have a gander at some reviews of Ed's previous work.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2021, 01:01:44 PM
While I prefer the Predator in past and present day stories, I find future tales can be good too. "Devil Dogs" in the If It Bleeds Anthology comes to mind.

There's definitely an opportunity to show us more of that Predator 2 interior ship aesthetic that so many adore. And a chance to see more of the Predator homeworld could be fun. (Maintaining that sense of mystery isn't a necessity in comics like it is in film.) I wonder if they're grooming Theta to eventually become Marvel's version of Machiko? We shall see.

It's interesting that Marvel's "present day" features intergalactic space travel, so it won't be hard for them to execute on that inevitable Alien & Predator crossover event, as long as they're loosey-goosey with the Xeno's origin date. I suspect a Marvel vs Zombies type of event is already in the works with A & P.

While more challenging to a writer, I still do believe a comic can focus solely on a lone Predator as its main character, so I still hold out hope for that one day.

And this tagline "HUNT. KILL. REPEAT." I think I can dig it. It certainly sums up the Predator, or any sports hunter for that matter.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 19, 2021, 01:38:09 PM
List of Pred stories that take place in the future:

Xenogenesis
Concrete Jungle
Forever Midnight
Flesh and Blood
Devil Dogs
Last Report From the KSS Psychopomp
Indigenous Species
Gameworld

We also have 2 near future stories with Hunting Grounds (2025) and Drug War (2022).
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 19, 2021, 01:38:09 PM
List of Pred stories that take place in the future:

Xenogenesis
Concrete Jungle
Forever Midnight
Flesh and Blood
Devil Dogs
Last Report From the KSS Psychopomp
Indigenous Species
Gameworld

We also have 2 near future stories with Hunting Grounds (2025) and Drug War (2022).

Predator Incursion too. (Even though the whole trilogy sums up to be AvP.)

And Xenogenesis I'd like to forget.  :laugh:

Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 02:50:46 PM
That one had completely dropped from my mind. Shame, because I love Edginton.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2021, 05:25:06 PM
I like the look of this even though it's clearly also tracing an action figure sadly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SM on Mar 21, 2021, 08:11:42 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 19, 2021, 01:38:09 PM
List of Pred stories that take place in the future:

Xenogenesis
Concrete Jungle
Forever Midnight
Flesh and Blood
Devil Dogs
Last Report From the KSS Psychopomp
Indigenous Species
Gameworld

We also have 2 near future stories with Hunting Grounds (2025) and Drug War (2022).

No love for Predator 2?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2021, 08:35:03 PM
I don't think he was counting the films, but if we do, rumor has it we can include Predators as well. It's an idea I personally like too.  :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 21, 2021, 11:03:27 PM
I should've said "List of Pred stories that still take place in the future"  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2021, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 21, 2021, 11:03:27 PM
I should've said "List of Pred stories that still take place in the future"  ;D


That takes Concrete Jungle off your list then!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 21, 2021, 11:41:59 PM
Nope that takes place in 2030!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2021, 11:59:25 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 21, 2021, 11:41:59 PM
Nope that takes place in 2030!

Ah, the video game. Thought you meant the comic... :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: AnthaiHero on Mar 22, 2021, 04:09:11 AM
FYI the Philip Tan original art cover is available for $3k.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 24, 2021, 07:06:12 PM
FYI

In May there will be 10 Marvel titles with Predator variant covers.

Wolverine 12,X-MEN 20,Amazing Spidey 65 & 66,Black Cat 6, Miles Morales Spiderman 26,Guardians of the Galaxy 14, Immortal Hulk 46, Strange Academy 10 and Champions 7. There are no pictures of the covers in the March Marvel Previews only lists the artist doing the cover.

Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wysps on Mar 24, 2021, 09:07:41 PM
These covers are great, especially the one with its menacing red eyes - gives off a demonic and unhinged vibe.   

I've never been a fan of setting Predator in the future, but I can see why they'd want to get on that early considering there's AvP also in the background. 

Quote from: Kailem on Mar 19, 2021, 07:34:22 AM
Love that second cover, and the night vision one looks cool too! Sounds like they've got a solid team on this one. Bit surprised to hear it's set in the future, but that's clearly going to be Marvel's way of introducing AVP at some point and having it tie in with (or spin out of) their ongoing Aliens and Predator series.

I wasn't entirely sure we'd be seeing Marvel's first Predator series so soon, even with all the variant promotion they've been doing, so it'll be interesting to see how this goes!

Makes me wonder if the eventual AvP will feature the same characters from the independent Alien and Predator comics (like a crossover event between the two) or an actual different set of characters for an ongoing AvP series.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 25, 2021, 01:06:44 PM
I suspect once this inevitable Marvel vs Alien vs Predator event happens, at least Theta will be there to explain to some Marvel characters what exactly they are up against.

And speaking of Theta...

"Hunt. Kill. Repeat. In the near future, a young girl sees her family slaughtered by the deadliest and most feared hunter in the universe: a PREDATOR," reads Marvel's description of Predator #1. "Years later, though her ship is barely holding together and food is running short, Theta won't stop stalking the spaceways until the Yautja monster who killed her family is dead...or she is."

The end of that blurb seems to depict Theta as going full Captain Ahab, which is something I definitely dig. 👍
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 25, 2021, 10:11:58 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 19, 2021, 01:38:09 PM
List of Pred stories that take place in the future:

Xenogenesis
Concrete Jungle
Forever Midnight
Flesh and Blood
Devil Dogs
Last Report From the KSS Psychopomp
Indigenous Species
Gameworld

We also have 2 near future stories with Hunting Grounds (2025) and Drug War (2022).

Predator Incursion too. (Even though the whole trilogy sums up to be AvP.)

And Xenogenesis I'd like to forget.  :laugh:
Xenogenesis is the only AvP comic I have in hand lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2021, 02:12:05 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 25, 2021, 10:11:58 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 19, 2021, 01:38:09 PM
List of Pred stories that take place in the future:

Xenogenesis
Concrete Jungle
Forever Midnight
Flesh and Blood
Devil Dogs
Last Report From the KSS Psychopomp
Indigenous Species
Gameworld

We also have 2 near future stories with Hunting Grounds (2025) and Drug War (2022).

Predator Incursion too. (Even though the whole trilogy sums up to be AvP.)

And Xenogenesis I'd like to forget.  :laugh:
Xenogenesis is the only AvP comic I have in hand lol

Oops!  lol  Did you like that one?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 26, 2021, 03:09:14 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2021, 02:12:05 AM
Oops!  lol  Did you like that one?
It has everything I hate lmao, crabators, aliens being bugs and non bio-mechanical, predators getting spin kicked in the face, and the cover art even has the Pred with a pig/dog like nose!
(https://i.imgur.com/2EWzNPi.pngi)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2021, 04:07:57 AM
Will Salvador Larroca get a chance to trace some crabators at some point?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2021, 01:57:30 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 26, 2021, 03:09:14 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 26, 2021, 02:12:05 AM
Oops!  lol  Did you like that one?
It has everything I hate lmao, crabators, aliens being bugs and non bio-mechanical, predators getting spin kicked in the face, and the cover art even has the Pred with a pig/dog like nose!
https://i.imgur.com/2EWzNPi.pngi

"predators getting spin kicked in the face"

:laugh:

Then we need to expand your AvP collection my friend!  A lot of people are critical of Aliens vs. Predator: Deadliest of the Species, but I think even they would suggest it's an upgrade from Xenogenesis!   ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wysps on Mar 27, 2021, 12:19:28 AM
I'm a big fan of DOS, so no basis for comparison there for me  ;)

But Xenogenesis is just astoundingly awful, by all accounts.  I mean, my god.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 27, 2021, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Mar 27, 2021, 12:19:28 AM
I'm a big fan of DOS, so no basis for comparison there for me  ;)

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/5wWf7GW1AzV6pF3MaVW/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 27, 2021, 12:43:33 PM
I missed out on DOTS when I was a kid, I always remember seeing those covers though and having my imagination set on fire 😍

When I started collecting again as an adult DOTS was one of the first I sought out. All I can say is that I've only read it once and even that was a struggle. It's rock bottom for me lol.

I had stopped collecting by the time the Xenogenesis crossover happened. I do remember flipping through one of the issues at a store around the time it was released. I remember thinking "At least I'm not missing anything." :laugh: I have collected and read it and I find it super dull and generic but not especially deserving of hate. Still I've only ever read it once lol.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: GoroPredator on Mar 27, 2021, 01:23:02 PM
Hope its good but I'll wait to hear reviews before I consider picking it up. I dropped Marvel comics years ago after they were hijacked by a bunch of  lunatics. This could pull me back, just for the Alien and Predator stuff, it all depends on the writer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 28, 2021, 01:37:25 AM
Brisson has been nominated several times for a Joe Shuster Award, so he doesn't seem too shabby!  :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 01, 2021, 01:48:56 PM
A Predator variant cover for Thor #15 coming 6/23/2021. And "There's something in those trees" is an understatement here.  :)

(https://www.previewsworld.com/SiteImage/MainImage/STL188848.jpg)

Add that to the six we knew so far:

(https://i.ibb.co/FwghrwB/ASM2018065-Smith-Predator-Var-scaled.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ynQTVHp/FF2018032-Superlog-Predator-Var-scaled.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0tkHRHT/SWOMAN2020012-Ryp-Predator-Var-scaled.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BgK2cGg/MIGHTYVALKYRIES2021002-Predator-Var-scaled.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/RPGLvf3/MMSM2018026-De-Iulis-Predator-Var-scaled.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wrJjXFX/GARGAL2020014-Predator-VAR-scaled.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zHzLd6M/Thor-15-versus-Predator-variant-cover.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Apr 01, 2021, 04:20:56 PM
oof, the traced toys in that Thor one
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2021, 04:26:09 PM
Why can't they ever draw Predators with their mouths closed and their mandibles in the X formation?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 01, 2021, 04:35:27 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Apr 01, 2021, 04:20:56 PM
oof, the traced toys in that Thor one

Hmm. Traced or referenced? Give us some images if traced. If referenced, then it is what it is. So many artists reference all sorts of things these days, from humans, to vehicles, to toys, to animals, to guns and to landscapes. :)

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2021, 04:26:09 PM
Why can't they ever draw Predators with their mouths closed and their mandibles in the X formation?

I wonder precisely the same thing my friend. Like a Xeno not baring its teeth, it is such a rare thing to find in art.  :-\
Title: Re: Marvel\'s Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Apr 01, 2021, 04:41:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/iUbPaSl.png)
Instantly saw this one, I'm so used to seeing this being is used, it might as well count as tracing the comic cover that inspired it



Sure, it's not as bad as the Alien situation, but if you think Predator won't be full of shameless traced Hunting Grounds or Neca stuff, then you are wrong
Title: Re: Marvel\'s Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 01, 2021, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Apr 01, 2021, 04:41:48 PM
https://i.imgur.com/iUbPaSl.png
Instantly saw this one, I'm so used to seeing this being is used, it might as well count as tracing the comic cover that inspired it

Errr.... Yeah. I wouldn't qualify that as tracing. It's probable at most the plasma caster and shoulder armor were referenced, but that is such an overused design, that I couldn't be certain it's from that item. It's like referencing a model of car at this point. That's why I think we shouldn't throw out the "tracing" accusations until the great eagle-eye RT or others finds proof.

Quote
Sure, it's not as bad as the Alien situation, but if you think Predator won't be full of shameless traced Hunting Grounds or Neca stuff, then you are wrong

Well I prefer not to make declarations without evidence. Like you, after seeing what we've seen now from both Marvel and Dark Horse, would I bet on it happening? Absolutely. But I don't want to make definitive statements and disparage an artist here without proof first.  :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Apr 01, 2021, 09:43:59 PM
All pre-orders for Predator #1 have just been cancelled and it's been pushed back to November, as have all Predator variant covers and the Predator Omnibus:

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/marvel-comics-cancels-orders-for-predator-1-delays-until-november/
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 01, 2021, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 01, 2021, 09:43:59 PM
All pre-orders for Predator #1 have just been cancelled and it's been pushed back to November, as have all Predator variant covers and the Predator Omnibus:

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/marvel-comics-cancels-orders-for-predator-1-delays-until-november/

I know what day today is Kailem....

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/11/1c/4a111cefb139e10a03868e3635e50185.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Apr 01, 2021, 11:19:43 PM
I'd forgotten until Ridgetop reminded me. :laugh:

Nothing to see here, folks!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 08:03:08 AM
It's already in trouble.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kradan on Apr 02, 2021, 08:45:14 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2021, 04:26:09 PM
Why can't they ever draw Predators with their mouths closed and their mandibles in the X formation?

Because it's BOOOOOORING

Nobody remembers this:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/jungle-hunter-04.jpg)

Everybody remembers THIS:

(https://cs5.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm_an/2015-01_4/14216707279740.gif)

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 01, 2021, 04:35:27 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2021, 04:26:09 PM
Why can't they ever draw Predators with their mouths closed and their mandibles in the X formation?

I wonder precisely the same thing my friend. Like a Xeno not baring its teeth, it is such a rare thing to find in art.  :-\

Same thing:

(https://www.scified.com/topics/3700119584406420.png)

(That was the closest I could get to finding shot of Alien with its lips closed)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/c2/77/17c2778e373c93022c72959856355410.gif)



Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 09:15:39 AM
You know what? Screw this; I'll wait for the TPB to come out next year.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Apr 02, 2021, 10:03:27 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 02, 2021, 08:45:14 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2021, 04:26:09 PM
Why can't they ever draw Predators with their mouths closed and their mandibles in the X formation?

Because it's BOOOOOORING

Nobody remembers this:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/jungle-hunter-04.jpg

Everybody remembers THIS:

https://cs5.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm_an/2015-01_4/14216707279740.gif

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 01, 2021, 04:35:27 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2021, 04:26:09 PM
Why can't they ever draw Predators with their mouths closed and their mandibles in the X formation?

I wonder precisely the same thing my friend. Like a Xeno not baring its teeth, it is such a rare thing to find in art.  :-\

Same thing:

https://www.scified.com/topics/3700119584406420.png

(That was the closest I could get to finding shot of Alien with its lips closed)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/c2/77/17c2778e373c93022c72959856355410.gif
This. If you've only got a single frame to draw, draw the most interesting one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 11:02:07 AM
Why has Marvel cancelled it?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 01:54:24 PM
Marvel delays Predator Comics until November 2021 and a new distribution deal might be to blame.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/04/02/marvel-delays-predator-comics-until-november-2021-and-a-new-distribution-deal-might-be-to-blame/
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Apr 02, 2021, 02:17:09 PM
I thought it sounded like a bit of a weird April fool's joke, but when it was pointed out what the date was I wasn't sure.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 02:23:03 PM
Yeah, the news itself is unfortunate, but the precise day the news hit was twice as unfortunate. When I first saw it I laughed and immediately dismissed it muttering "I hate April Fools joke articles."  I mean, come on, no way, Predator Comics was just announced by Marvel 14 days ago!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Apr 02, 2021, 02:31:53 PM
Yeah it's a pretty big delay for something that wasn't too far off. It's got to be either troubles with their new distribution deal, big creative issues, or (the least likely) maybe they've got wind that promotion for the new Predator movie might start around about then and they figure it might raise its profile a bit if the release it at the same time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 02:39:08 PM
I'm suspecting Marvel has a much more profitable deal with Penguin Random House, saw the ridiculous numbers Alien #1 sold, and wanted Predator's #1 sales under the new deal.

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/Tex4wVhhs4iwKoV7YT/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Apr 02, 2021, 02:42:30 PM
Yeah I can buy that. Apparently Alien #1 sold really, really well (second-best-selling comic of the month behind only BRZRKR #1, if I remember correctly?), so maybe that really is the reason.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 02:48:30 PM
I do know this for certain. It's a bummer!  :(
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Apr 02, 2021, 02:54:56 PM
At least they're following on from where Dark Horse left off by announcing a cool-sounding Predator comic only to delay it into oblivion! :laugh:
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 03:02:24 PM
 :laugh:

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/T0EjYDwdE3qmb6kAqh/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
The plot thickens....

"Marvel gave no reason for this unexpected delay to its Predator line of products, however Newsarama learned that some of the people involved weren't told until April 1.

Marvel has told retailers they plan to reschedule all of these Predator products for release in November sometime - but isn't actually rescheduling them just yet."


https://www.gamesradar.com/marvels-big-comic-plans-for-the-predator-franchise-put-on-hold/
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: EJA on Apr 02, 2021, 04:16:04 PM
Well, whatever the reason, it's crapped everything up.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Apr 02, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
Terrible news! And Voodoo just went through all that trouble to line up all the upcoming releases lol. But if the reason is due to Marvel getting out of Diamond then I'm all for it as I'm sick of Diamond having a monopoly on comic distribution.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Master Chief on Apr 02, 2021, 04:57:44 PM
Ugh, was hoping it was an April Fool's prank.

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Apr 02, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
Terrible news! And Voodoo just went through all that trouble to line up all the upcoming releases lol. [...]

Don't worry, he loves this stuff and will soon update the list as soon as it becomes available.   8)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 05:01:41 PM
I do love this stuff, but all that work, that was, useful for what.... a day?

((facepalm))

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/HfeMjUZdOZujm/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Dachande on Apr 02, 2021, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 05:01:41 PM
I do love this stuff, but all that work, that was, useful for what.... a day?

((facepalm))

https://media0.giphy.com/media/HfeMjUZdOZujm/giphy.gif



At least it kept you busy for a bit!
Title: Re: Marvel\'s Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Apr 02, 2021, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 01, 2021, 04:56:01 PM

Quote
Sure, it's not as bad as the Alien situation, but if you think Predator won't be full of shameless traced Hunting Grounds or Neca stuff, then you are wrong

Well I prefer not to make declarations without evidence. Like you, after seeing what we've seen now from both Marvel and Dark Horse, would I bet on it happening? Absolutely. But I don't want to make definitive statements and disparage an artist here without proof first.  :)
I hate being negative Voodoo, but I really have no hopes for this, and it's because it's Marvel, if the PHG or Stalking Shadows team were involved I would be far more positive
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 02, 2021, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 03:02:24 PM
:laugh:

https://media2.giphy.com/media/T0EjYDwdE3qmb6kAqh/giphy.gif

For a second I thought this was the Predator Skulls thread and I was really worried this was real dialogue.
Title: Re: Marvel\'s Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Apr 02, 2021, 06:21:41 PM
That's a bummer, this was shaping up nicely. Good on Marvel for sticking it to Diamond. It's funny, my books from the smaller publishers have all arrived on time but the big bucks keep getting delayed.

Kraden, I disagree. The closed mouth conveys intelligence and thought, humanity if you will. The open mouth/ roar conveys its animalistic primal characteristics. Only works in tense situations. The Predator tight ropes between the two, part if it's charm and relatability. Also we haven't seen the closed mandibles on screen for 40 years soo...... it would be a nice change to say the least.

Predators was close.


* 30 years DERP
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 06:27:44 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 02, 2021, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 03:02:24 PM
:laugh:

https://media2.giphy.com/media/T0EjYDwdE3qmb6kAqh/giphy.gif

For a second I thought this was the Predator Skulls thread and I was really worried this was real dialogue.

A Skulls gif audition?  :laugh:

Quote from: Dachande on Apr 02, 2021, 05:03:48 PM
At least it kept you busy for a bit!

lol
:P

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Apr 02, 2021, 05:27:47 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 01, 2021, 04:56:01 PM

Quote
Sure, it's not as bad as the Alien situation, but if you think Predator won't be full of shameless traced Hunting Grounds or Neca stuff, then you are wrong

Well I prefer not to make declarations without evidence. Like you, after seeing what we've seen now from both Marvel and Dark Horse, would I bet on it happening? Absolutely. But I don't want to make definitive statements and disparage an artist here without proof first.  :)
I hate being negative Voodoo, but I really have no hopes for this, and it's because it's Marvel, if the PHG or Stalking Shadows team were involved I would be far more positive

And I get where you're coming from, I really do.  But I'm optimistic with Ed Brisson as our Predator writer, and with the art, well I hope we're all pleasantly surprised. I do think with Predators being so humanoid, they are a lot easier for artists to draw without reference than Aliens. So we'll see! :)






Gossip: Did Marvel Comics Cancel Predator Because Of Penguin?
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/gossip-did-marvel-comics-cancel-predator-because-of-penguin/
Title: Re: Marvel\'s Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 02, 2021, 06:40:51 PM
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Apr 02, 2021, 06:21:41 PM
Kraden, I disagree. The closed mouth conveys intelligence and thought, humanity if you will. The open mouth/ roar conveys its animalistic primal characteristics. Only works in tense situations. The Predator tight ropes between the two, part if it's charm and relatability.

I agree. Seeing the Predator's mouth open on every cover is just plain boring to me, when a closed mouth can be just as interesting and eye-catching! :)

(https://i.ibb.co/xjfhWjd/tumblr-nl7pj5-D1n-C1u1vwpho2-500-1.gif)

(https://i.ibb.co/kqpQkWZ/tumblr-or8kgl-RR9l1rp0vkjo1-500.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Apr 02, 2021, 06:51:29 PM
Spot on with the gifs as usual Voodoo
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 02, 2021, 07:18:09 PM
Where are the folds? ???
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kradan on Apr 02, 2021, 08:16:24 PM
Can't find them either. These Crabators don't look right
Title: Re: Marvel's Crabator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 02, 2021, 08:48:42 PM
Would you say that ADI refined the design to perfection?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Apr 02, 2021, 11:56:53 PM
So its not an April Fools Then. Typical
Title: Re: Marvel's Crabator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kradan on Apr 03, 2021, 09:03:19 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 02, 2021, 08:48:42 PM
Would you say that ADI refined their designed to perfection?

Well, yeah, sure

I don't think these posted above were designed by ADI though. As I've heard job was done by some KGB company rulled by Wan Stinston
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: HumanPredator on Apr 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AM
More time to make it better!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 06, 2021, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: HumanPredator on Apr 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AM
More time to make it better!

If this was coming out in June I have to assume at least one issue was completed. So I doubt changes would be made unless the output was somehow extremely poor (but with the talent involved, I would severely doubt that.)

I just hope this delay doesn't interfere with Kev Walker's art assignment on this book. Artists have to eat. They have to constantly land new gigs. And I've been very excited that Kev Walker landed artwork duties on this book. Have you googled his work? His artwork is majestic! :o
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2021, 02:39:43 PM
Anything in particular that stands out?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 06, 2021, 03:49:49 PM
Yes, Walker's work for Magic the Gathering for starters, that he colored himself with acrylic paints.

(https://www.muddycolors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/02fd9-champion-walker.jpg)

(https://www.mtgnexus.com/img/gallery/5112-nath-of-the-gilt-leaf.jpg)

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6706/c783cae48ab7f073f9009c52583a09d96e96fc6a_hq.jpg)

(https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_92751/subcat_135917/I0BPJdnv_0610142034451.jpg)

(https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_44707/subcat_174172/OPHN0NrP_1511200010211gpadd.jpeg)

Walker has also both penciled and painted comic stories:

(https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_69848/subcat_135096/s7bjzPa8_2105201138491gpadd.jpeg)

(https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_69848/subcat_135096/l6eeGSL8_2105201230311gpadd.jpeg)

Some non painted traditional work for Star Wars:

(https://townsquare.media/site/622/files/2016/11/Star_Wars_Doctor_Aphra_1_Preview_3.jpg)

(https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/doctor-aphra-2-03.jpg)

(https://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/doctor-aphra-2-02.jpg)

Now I don't recollect Marvel announcing a colorist, so how cool would it be if Kev Walker was painting these Predator comics! Or this extra time allowed him to do it!  Now THAT would just be music to my ears!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kradan on Apr 06, 2021, 04:11:29 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 06, 2021, 03:49:49 PM
https://www.muddycolors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/02fd9-champion-walker.jpg

That's one badass Ewok
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 06, 2021, 05:05:43 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 06, 2021, 04:11:29 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 06, 2021, 03:49:49 PM
https://www.muddycolors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/02fd9-champion-walker.jpg

That's one badass Ewok

Well, he's definitely the least creepy...

(https://media.tenor.com/images/77da643781ed3833eb7db0d101e6418a/tenor.gif)

But imagine if we get the first six Predator books painted up like 1718!

(https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_97206/subcat_144490/vagjNmPn_2109191451051gpadd.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 10, 2021, 09:50:20 PM
I adore the texture of the hand made.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: EJA on Apr 16, 2021, 04:04:46 PM
Jim and John Thomas are suing Disney for the rights to Predator.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 14, 2021, 05:54:32 PM
Predator ongoing comic series is still in the works at Marvel!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/06/14/predator-ongoing-comic-series-is-still-in-the-works-at-marvel/
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Hed-Veta on Jun 14, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
Hurray! Mom, Mom, I'm on TV!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 14, 2021, 09:05:26 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Jun 14, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
Hurray! Mom, Mom, I'm on TV!

:laugh:

Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 15, 2021, 06:02:53 AM
Chance are it might not hold up, that's tricky, we always ask not to keep it formulaic, repetitive, more of the same recycle stuff, wanting new additions and challenge us, when there are instances things are changed and toying with nex concpets expanding the lore we flip the hell out and hate it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 15, 2021, 05:01:29 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 15, 2021, 06:02:53 AM
Chance are it might not hold up, that's tricky, we always ask not to keep it formulaic, repetitive, more of the same recycle stuff, wanting new additions and challenge us, when there are instances things are changed and toying with nex concpets expanding the lore we flip the hell out and hate it.

Now those are some lofty expectations!  ;)

Personally, I'm embracing this comic with a great deal of optimism, especially with the creative team involved. :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Ahsoka on Jun 19, 2021, 09:08:33 PM
Good! Any news on the Predator earlier script adaptation please?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Jun 20, 2021, 08:19:55 AM
I don't find "It will be out...just not sure when" to be particularly reassuring.

Another fear is that Marvel will focus on "Theta" and build her up, at the expense of what I personally want: a memorable predator character and expansion of predator lore
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: EJA on Jun 20, 2021, 02:21:22 PM
This series totally ain't gonna see the light of day, folks.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Jun 20, 2021, 07:49:08 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Screenshot_20210614-131953_Twitter-701x420.jpg)

Interpret this how you will...
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 21, 2021, 02:20:47 PM
Not certain how to interpret this than other than both artist and writer are working away on the Predator comic. And considering both creatives are paid and not doing this work for free / out of the kindness of their own hearts, Marvel clearly plans to release it. 👍
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Master Chief on Jun 21, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
Voodoo, reach out to Ed and see if you can get some more info out of him other than what he's tweeted? twitted? ;)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 21, 2021, 05:25:41 PM
Ed is a very nice guy, and I'm sure if he could pubically say more, he would.  :)

Separate from this Predator comic specifically, even when a creator has an idea the day when their comic will release, it's usually not for them to reveal. That is up to the publisher & their marketing department (even when the publisher would like the creators to be the ones announcing on a given day.)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 22, 2021, 03:40:51 AM
Writer Ed Brisson updates fans on Marvel's New Predator Comic!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/06/22/writer-ed-brisson-updates-fans-on-marvels-new-predator-comic/
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 22, 2021, 11:56:38 AM
Glad to hear it's still going on!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 22, 2021, 01:29:15 PM
With Brisson saying the comic is coming out later this year, it seems the word going around retailers that Predator #1 will hit stands this November (with other title variants hitting October) is feeling more and more legit.

And considering these issues will likely go to print August/September, it's hard to imagine the lawsuit was the reason for the delay because I can't fathom the lawsuits being concluded by then. The delay is likely either the Penguin deal or something we haven't considered, I wager.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Jun 22, 2021, 01:35:23 PM
It is entirely possible they're still working on it to have it ready assuming they pull through. If not it wouldn't be the first Marvel book to have been ready to go only to die.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 22, 2021, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 22, 2021, 01:35:23 PM
It is entirely possible they're still working on it to have it ready assuming they pull through. If not it wouldn't be the first Marvel book to have been ready to go only to die.

I don't know. Sometimes these cases can drag out for year(s). At least for me, it's hard to logically imagine that this book was put in the works by Marvel Comics to be released a few months after some unknown day, month and year whenever all legal issues & possibly appeals have been concluded plus the judge hopefully ruled their way. There is too many unknowns. It doesn't seem to be smart business sense in my eyes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Master Chief on Jun 22, 2021, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 22, 2021, 03:40:51 AM
Writer Ed Brisson updates fans on Marvel's New Predator Comic!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/06/22/writer-ed-brisson-updates-fans-on-marvels-new-predator-comic/
hmm, as soon as I ask you to reach out to Ed, he releases an update.  Coincidence?  I think not.  You're welcome. ;) 

Good job staying on top of this!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 22, 2021, 05:21:30 PM
 :laugh:

(https://media.tenor.com/images/6f94f325886e876dd0aff6cfbaadbba5/tenor.gif)

But thanks buddy!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Jun 23, 2021, 05:13:55 AM
I'll believe it when it actually comes out.

Ed's comment below does sound firmer than the previous one, which is good.

"Predator has not been canceled. It was just pushed back to later in the year. We're all hard at work on the book — I'm currently working on the script to issue #5 and Kev Walker is well into art on #3.

As to the release date, I don't have specifics at this time. Nothing that I can share at least.

I promise all of you that the wait will be worth it. I've been really happy with the scripts and Kev's art is absolutely stunning. I wish I could show you the pages in my inbox, but I'm pretty sure that Marvel would have me murdered for it."
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: EJA on Jul 08, 2021, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jun 22, 2021, 01:35:23 PM
It is entirely possible they're still working on it to have it ready assuming they pull through. If not it wouldn't be the first Marvel book to have been ready to go only to die.

What other Marvel books has this happened to?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: GuapoPogi on Jul 29, 2021, 03:57:00 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 18, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
I ordered all of the Alien main and variant covers

How many different Alien covers have you found?  I have found 45 but I only have 39 so far.  I have not gotten my hands on either of the two 1:500 covers or any of the four Clayton Crain covers yet. 

I'm also trying to find info on covers 0113, 0114 and 0115 but I am beginning to suspect that for some reason they skipped those three numbers.

GuapoPogi
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Master Chief on Jul 29, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
haha I didn't realize there was going to be so many!  I stopped after the first preorder was announced...I think 15 or 16 came with it.  I haven't even read it. 😬

Report back when you find all of them.  8)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: GuapoPogi on Aug 08, 2021, 02:39:07 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 29, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
haha I didn't realize there was going to be so many!  I stopped after the first preorder was announced...I think 15 or 16 came with it.  I haven't even read it. 😬

Report back when you find all of them.  8)

I'm up to 40 different covers.  I still need 3 of the Clayton Crain covers, the Patrick Gleason 1:500 cover and the Inhyuk Lee 1:500 cover.  I think I can swing the funds to get the 3 Clayton Crain covers that I need next week.  I also have all the variants of issues 2-4 and am jyst missing the 1:25 for issue 5.  My LGS has a copy of the issue 5 1:25 for me but it is currently misplaced and until it is in the box at home I consider it to be needed still.

GuapoPogi
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 19, 2021, 01:04:15 PM
Our Predator comic writer Ed Brisson went on the Unjustly Maligned podcast back in 2017 to defend "Predator 2". He didn't do a stupendous job defending it, and his facts were off, but I appreciate the overall effort nevertheless! :)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/predator-2-with-ed-brisson/id972402820?i=1000389980174
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Sep 20, 2021, 02:47:35 PM
Doesn't look like any Predator comics will be coming this year:

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/no-predator-comics-from-marvel-at-all-in-2021-now/
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 20, 2021, 03:03:42 PM
Yeah, we're not worried about it coming, but unfortunately 2021 doesn't seem to be in the cards.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Sep 21, 2021, 03:40:53 PM
I'm also guessing that Marvel wants to capitalize on the 2022 release of Skulls and ride the hype train. I just really hope issue 1 drops in January.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 22, 2021, 12:27:32 AM
Well, whenever it does drop, we'll hear the solicitation announcement several months before!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: EJA on Oct 13, 2021, 04:08:29 PM
It's the lawsuit, I'm betting.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Nov 18, 2021, 02:22:40 PM
Quote from: EJA on Oct 13, 2021, 04:08:29 PM
It's the lawsuit, I'm betting.
Most likely either that or  marvel new distribution company is messing them up
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: felix on Nov 19, 2021, 04:24:05 AM
On another note, Dark Horse Comics just announced that they'll be doing new Star Wars comics in 2022.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Nov 29, 2021, 05:22:16 PM
Quote from: felix on Nov 19, 2021, 04:24:05 AM
On another note, Dark Horse Comics just announced that they'll be doing new Star Wars comics in 2022.
Maybe one day they will be able to do alien and predator again
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
I'm not certain if Bleeding Cool is basing their headline on just simple basic speculation or an actual confirmation from Marvel, but...

Yes, Marvel Comics Knows Disney Has Settled The Predator Lawsuit

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/yes-marvel-comics-knows-disney-has-settled-the-predator-lawsuit/
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Jan 21, 2022, 03:13:56 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
I'm not certain if Bleeding Cool is basing their headline on just simple basic speculation or an actual confirmation from Marvel, but...

Yes, Marvel Comics Knows Disney Has Settled The Predator Lawsuit

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/yes-marvel-comics-knows-disney-has-settled-the-predator-lawsuit/
Hopefully we get some news on it like real soon
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Jan 24, 2022, 02:35:05 PM
QuoteHUNT. KILL. REPEAT.
In the near future, a young girl sees her family slaughtered by the deadliest and most feared hunter in the universe: a PREDATOR. Years later, though her ship is barely holding together and food is running short, Theta won't stop stalking the spaceways until the Yautja monster who killed her family is dead...or she is.

I'm trying to get excited over this premise and failing
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Jan 25, 2022, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 24, 2022, 02:35:05 PM
QuoteHUNT. KILL. REPEAT.
In the near future, a young girl sees her family slaughtered by the deadliest and most feared hunter in the universe: a PREDATOR. Years later, though her ship is barely holding together and food is running short, Theta won't stop stalking the spaceways until the Yautja monster who killed her family is dead...or she is.
I kinda like it it reminds me of predator concerte jungle the video game

I'm trying to get excited over this premise and failing
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 25, 2022, 04:10:34 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 24, 2022, 02:35:05 PM
QuoteHUNT. KILL. REPEAT.
In the near future, a young girl sees her family slaughtered by the deadliest and most feared hunter in the universe: a PREDATOR. Years later, though her ship is barely holding together and food is running short, Theta won't stop stalking the spaceways until the Yautja monster who killed her family is dead...or she is.

I'm trying to get excited over this premise and failing

I'll give you something to be excited about...

Spoiler
No Salvador Larroca on art duty!
[close]
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: EJA on Feb 12, 2022, 01:41:50 PM
Is Marvel Predator dead? Because it sure as hell seems like it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Feb 12, 2022, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: EJA on Feb 12, 2022, 01:41:50 PM
Is Marvel Predator dead? Because it sure as hell seems like it.

Without knowing what the brothers and Disney settled on it's pretty much up in the air with what's going on. My opinion being the book as we know it is probably dead but we'll probably know something by either the new film or once the convention circuit for Marvel is done with this year.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Feb 12, 2022, 10:20:49 PM
Quote from: EJA on Feb 12, 2022, 01:41:50 PM
Is Marvel Predator dead? Because it sure as hell seems like it.
Not dead until a announcement 
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Feb 13, 2022, 12:23:26 AM
Marvel does tend to line comic stories and launches up with movies, it might not be out of the question to assume a launch would be around whenever the movie comes out. Assuming the movie does have a summer release date, if the Omnibus is pushed to September that's putting it close but would be the latest for a summer launch. So anytime prior to the September Omnibus release date we could assume the comic would come out once the summer season starts.

Though the comic could very well be dead and we only have the omnibus to look forward to.


Quote from: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Feb 12, 2022, 10:20:49 PM
Quote from: EJA on Feb 12, 2022, 01:41:50 PM
Is Marvel Predator dead? Because it sure as hell seems like it.
Not dead until a announcement

They don't always confirm if books are dead in the water like that old Doctor Doom book and the New Warriors relaunch.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 13, 2022, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 13, 2022, 12:23:26 AM
Marvel does tend to line comic stories and launches up with movies, it might not be out of the question to assume a launch would be around whenever the movie comes out. Assuming the movie does have a summer release date, if the Omnibus is pushed to September that's putting it close but would be the latest for a summer launch. So anytime prior to the September Omnibus release date we could assume the comic would come out once the summer season starts.

That's my assumption. In a week or two, comic solicitations for May will be public. A month after that, June's. A month after that, July's. So we'll have a clearer picture if it looks like it's been scrapped within 2 & 1/2 months I think.

Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 13, 2022, 08:16:37 PM
I hope it's not canceled, I actually had some hope this would be a good series.

Covers were amazing at least.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2022, 02:48:47 AM
From Ed Brisson's Newsletter (Predator writer):

"A lot of you have been reaching out, asking for updates on PREDATOR. I haven't been able to say much beyond "We're still working on it." Right now, the answer remains the same, but...not for long. Very shortly, I should have some news for everyone on this front."

It would appear good news is coming!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2022, 09:14:40 AM
At last! Been a hard wait!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 15, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
I hope they produce something they're proud of and had fun with, it sounds infinitely more interesting than Alien currently, and not just because of the lack of Elan Sleazebaggano.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2022, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 15, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
I hope they produce something they're proud of and had fun with, it sounds infinitely more interesting than Alien currently, and not just because of the lack of Elan Sleazebaggano.

I am much more excited with the creative team on Predator than I was for Alien, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Feb 25, 2022, 02:42:48 AM
"I should have some news"

Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 25, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: happypred on Feb 25, 2022, 02:42:48 AM
"I should have some news"

Fingers crossed

It will be interesting to see how the do-over relaunch is handled.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 21, 2022, 02:35:04 PM
All-new 'Predator' stories from writer Ed Brisson and artist Kev Walker coming in July. (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/predator-1-galaxys-deadliest-hunter-comes-to-marvel-comics)

QuoteThis July, the remorseless alien killer known as the Predator embarks on a new hunt!

Marvel Comics is proud to bring readers thrilling new stories starring this lethal terror in a brand-new comic series. Written by Ed Brisson (IRON FIST, GHOST RIDER) and artist Kev Walker (DR. STRANGE, DOCTOR APHRA), PREDATOR will deliver all the explosive action and relentless horror that fans have come to expect from this pop culture icon.

Nothing else new in the announcement from a quick glance, but Marvel's Predator is now back on, for a July release this time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Hed-Veta on Apr 21, 2022, 02:59:49 PM
I don't know about you, but I'm on hype. I hope no nuclear war will start by this time, otherwise it will be completely unfair.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 21, 2022, 03:09:35 PM
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/xUA7aT1vNqVWHPY1cA/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952c1eb7ed0b9fb548b959cdf69bff4dedaeab9f6f1&rid=giphy.gi)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 21, 2022, 03:42:56 PM
And let's hope we still get all those variant covers!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Apr 21, 2022, 04:34:16 PM
Hopefully we get some interor art images soon
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Apr 21, 2022, 04:47:37 PM
Not-so-coincidentally right around the time we're expecting Prey to drop.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: St_Eddie on Apr 21, 2022, 05:47:17 PM
The Predator on the cover looks like he was caught squeezing out a turd in the bushes by some unsuspecting hiker.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kradan on Apr 21, 2022, 05:50:47 PM
Quote from: Hed-Veta on Apr 21, 2022, 02:59:49 PM
I don't know about you, but I'm on hype. I hope no nuclear war will start by this time, otherwise it will be completely unfair.

Gee, that would suck
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: VincentVegaFFF on Apr 21, 2022, 10:29:00 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 21, 2022, 05:47:17 PM
The Predator on the cover looks like he was caught squeezing out a turd in the bushes by some unsuspecting hiker.

Everybody poops. Even the Yautja.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Apr 21, 2022, 11:10:14 PM
At least there's some good news.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Apr 22, 2022, 03:12:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 21, 2022, 02:35:04 PM
All-new 'Predator' stories from writer Ed Brisson and artist Kev Walker coming in July. (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/predator-1-galaxys-deadliest-hunter-comes-to-marvel-comics)

QuoteThis July, the remorseless alien killer known as the Predator embarks on a new hunt!

Marvel Comics is proud to bring readers thrilling new stories starring this lethal terror in a brand-new comic series. Written by Ed Brisson (IRON FIST, GHOST RIDER) and artist Kev Walker (DR. STRANGE, DOCTOR APHRA), PREDATOR will deliver all the explosive action and relentless horror that fans have come to expect from this pop culture icon.

Nothing else new in the announcement from a quick glance, but Marvel's Predator is now back on, for a July release this time.

Called it on the release coinciding with "Prey"  8)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: RidgeTop on Apr 26, 2022, 05:42:00 PM
https://twitter.com/inhyuklee/status/1518934798706032641
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 26, 2022, 07:45:22 PM
I don't hate it but I don't love it
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 26, 2022, 08:44:41 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 26, 2022, 07:45:22 PM
I don't hate it but I don't love it

Yeah, I hear ya. It's a beautiful illustration, but the mouth was straight from an ADI tutorial.

I think I improved it a bit.

(https://i.ibb.co/cgBHpgx/20220426-162351.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mDCzVs9/IMG-20220426-164056.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kradan on Apr 26, 2022, 08:48:27 PM
Nah, I love 'em big jaws
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 26, 2022, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 26, 2022, 08:48:27 PM
Nah, I love 'em big jaws

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/HFPuGSzYkOOu4/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9521c582a5d6f7d5d09e2aebcf7466ed0dcb4163ae0&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Crabator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 26, 2022, 09:04:39 PM
Those are some loose mandibles.
Title: Re: Marvel's Crabator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 27, 2022, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 26, 2022, 09:04:39 PM
Those are some loose mandibles.

As an expert jowlologist I can indeed clinically confirm those are some loose mandibles.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/mrEIM4Grv7Hag/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b95265c1d91fc090020a0d1cdb274ab239f7af3d0c6a&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Crabator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Apr 28, 2022, 12:31:21 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 27, 2022, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 26, 2022, 09:04:39 PM
Those are some loose mandibles.

As an expert jowlologist I can indeed clinically confirm those are some loose mandibles.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/mrEIM4Grv7Hag/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b95265c1d91fc090020a0d1cdb274ab239f7af3d0c6a&rid=giphy.gif
Whats up with tentacle beard i cant be the only one that notices that
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Master Chief on Apr 28, 2022, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 28, 2022, 12:31:21 PM
Whats up with tentacle beard i cant be the only one that notices that
It's nothing new.  The Elder Predator in AvP has one and I believe Greyback had some growing as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Apr 28, 2022, 02:34:06 PM
 :-[
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 28, 2022, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 28, 2022, 12:31:21 PM
Whats up with tentacle beard i cant be the only one that notices that
It's nothing new.  The Elder Predator in AvP has one and I believe Greyback had some growing as well.
Intresting
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 20, 2022, 08:44:16 AM
#2 solicitations are out. https://aiptcomics.com/2022/05/19/august-2022-marvel-comics-solicitations/

(https://aiptcomics.com/ezoimgfmt/i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/PREDATOR2022002_cov.jpg)

(https://aiptcomics.com/ezoimgfmt/i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/PREDATOR2022002_BustosVar.jpg)

(https://aiptcomics.com/ezoimgfmt/i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/PREDATOR2022002_LarrocaVar.jpg)

PREDATOR #2
ED BRISSON (W) • KEV WALKER (A) • Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS  YU

Variant Cover by NATACHA BUSTOS

Variant Cover by SALVADOR LARROCA

Spoiler
Theta crash-lands on a tundra planet, and her odds of surviving are looking slim! Her only hope is to trek through the wilds to the nearest outpost. But the cold isn't the only thing she has to worry about...as a Predator watches in the shadow, ready to strike!
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Jun 27, 2022, 11:34:20 AM
#1 delayed to August 10
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jun 27, 2022, 02:25:23 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jun 27, 2022, 11:34:20 AM#1 delayed to August 10

Did wonder
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Jun 27, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
marvel delays are a pain
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Some Old Dude on Jun 27, 2022, 09:37:22 PM
Old Sals variant cover looks..... good?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 27, 2022, 09:43:12 PM
Of course it does.  Sal is a true artist.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Jun 27, 2022, 11:53:49 PM
The thing is he's actually not an awful artist. He shamelessly traces to hit deadlines but his original stuff isn't bad at all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Jul 05, 2022, 02:32:54 AM
He got the pred face right which a lot of artists don't

(https://aiptcomics.com/ezoimgfmt/i0.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/PREDATOR2022002_LarrocaVar.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Mr.Turok on Jul 07, 2022, 04:22:09 AM
https://www.space.com/marvel-comics-predator-relaunch

Heads up, now Predator comic info and even new pages dropped!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 07, 2022, 08:03:37 AM
I'm liking what Ed Brisson is saying here! Very interested in this -

Spoiler
We are establishing a new organization within the book and a couple new alien races and with both of those, it was important to create something that felt both fresh but didn't stray too far from what we already know from past Predator stories.
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It's something I liked in Fire and Stone, Predators and have been keen to see more of.

I'm liking Kev Walkers style here! Colour work is looking really good too! It's a nice stylized appearance. But I'm not too sure on the unmasked face here.

Spoiler
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/qT4gFHMeJk4FiGoMSe8LTo-970-80.jpg)
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 07, 2022, 11:30:12 AM
Really not a fan of that face honestly, the entire mouth area's just ridiculous looking which's a pity, because I think the rest of the artwork looks fantastic.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 08, 2022, 07:36:34 AM
Yeah, it's the mouth that looks odd to me too. Something about how extended from the face it looks, even more so than the mandibles normally seem. But I do actually really dig the general style and vibe of the rest of it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 11, 2022, 01:16:07 PM
Still have to get through Alien: Colony War before this
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kailem on Jul 11, 2022, 01:31:59 PM
(https://i.gifer.com/YxK9.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 11, 2022, 09:53:18 PM
I'm just happy it's original art. I'll take it  :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 22, 2022, 08:10:44 PM
So another Samurai "connection"? I think this has been done the most in the Predator EU already.
Besides fighting bears, losing limbs, getting captured, and dying, dying, dying.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Jul 22, 2022, 08:13:36 PM
PREDATOR #3
ED BRISSON (W) • KEV WALKER (A) • Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Variant Cover by MARCO MASTRAZZO • Variant cover by BEN HARVEY
Theta is ambushed by a Predator! But is this the Predator that she's been tracking all these years? And without her weaponry, is she prepared to take it on one-on-one?
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$3.99

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664669551971008512/1000025208809328710/1658437466593009.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Ultramorph on Jul 23, 2022, 12:44:34 AM
New Machiko dropped.

Looking forward to this series finally starting up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: RidgeTop on Jul 28, 2022, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Jul 22, 2022, 08:13:36 PMPREDATOR #3
ED BRISSON (W) • KEV WALKER (A) • Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Variant Cover by MARCO MASTRAZZO • Variant cover by BEN HARVEY
Theta is ambushed by a Predator! But is this the Predator that she's been tracking all these years? And without her weaponry, is she prepared to take it on one-on-one?
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$3.99

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664669551971008512/1000025208809328710/1658437466593009.jpg

That is a badass cover.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 31, 2022, 09:55:18 AM
So another human Predator. I wonder if there are any ties to the movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 01, 2022, 08:27:05 AM
That's some very heavy Machiko vibes. Feels odd given what we know of the series' plot though. I suppose she could have just stolen/adapted, without joining up with the Predators though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Aug 01, 2022, 11:41:45 AM
Royce and McKenna have one and we know Nolan's could at least adapt the armor to him. So this suit could be a dedicated suit for human usage. She could've been given one for this trip. After all she'd need a ship.

But something like this I don't know if she could take one. It looks too uniform. Predators are big and even when Noland took one the thigh pads are just shin plates. These are some big creatures and at average height most people aren't going to fit. Though she could simply be bigger than most others. And she'd probably have to bulk up given what she's fighting.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2022, 12:19:45 PM
https://www.cbr.com/marvel-predator-ed-brisson-interview/

New interview with Ed Brisson. The preview artwork is the same we've seen, I think. Not read through it yet though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Aug 05, 2022, 02:04:22 PM
Hope we get a recurring Pred character or two and not just a bunch of fodder Preds to big up this Machiko 2.0
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wweyland on Aug 05, 2022, 02:21:53 PM
Quote from: happypred on Aug 05, 2022, 02:04:22 PMHope we get a recurring Pred character or two and not just a bunch of fodder Preds to big up this Machiko 2.0
Yeah, killing Preds has been done to death already
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 05, 2022, 04:13:55 PM
I'm all for longer lasting pred characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Aug 05, 2022, 04:23:15 PM
The Hunter series focused on humans hunting Preds

This looks to be another one of those, but instead of a group of humans, this is like a single girl-power character cruising the galaxy butchering Preds with relative ease
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Hadji Murad on Aug 08, 2022, 01:16:17 AM
Reading Predator omnibus 4 - which has some good stories (and the best cover ever). Got me thinking about this. I have to admit, this premise of a human hunting a Predator doesn't fire me up. In a serious story, it cheapens the villain if you do it before the villain is established as a threat.

Predator: Kindred already played with this idea, but it was revealed/implied the Predator wanted him to come after it all along. This was good as it doesn't cheapen the villain and only happens after the creature has slaughtered half the town.

That said, Predator stories, while good, rarely ever achieve anything special. Alien has a bit of a leg up there. Although the first AVP is probably the most solid Alien or Predator comic ever produced - where the plot makes sense and everyone largely behaves as they would. Norwood is also a master.

Quote from: happypred on Aug 05, 2022, 04:23:15 PMThis looks to be another one of those, but instead of a group of humans, this is like a single girl-power character cruising the galaxy butchering Preds with relative ease

I'm not sure why they choose this with Predator. Girl vs monster is a topic locked down and greatly desired by the Alien franchise. Everyone thinks of girls when they think of Aliens. They want to see Aliens after strong women. We wall want it. Give it.

But Predator?

Nobody expects or wants to see a girl-power story. You CAN do it. But why? It's already done by Alien ... the franchise you REALLY want to differentiate Predator from. They're associated so you want them to be distinct. The reader's expectation is that Predator will hunt the toughest men around. Hell, the creature is well established as avoiding women.

Why not create a story that gives readers what they expect and want, but then play with it. Explore the ideas surrounding it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Aug 08, 2022, 11:53:05 AM
Nothing wrong with Marvel's protagonist conceptually. I guess beyond the suit if people still have a hate boner for 4.

The protagonist being female shouldn't make her any different to the villains. They in most cases can't tell who they're fighting.

It's not a franchise that is a boys club if that makes sense. It's actually be weirder if neither party encountered a female.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Hadji Murad on Aug 08, 2022, 10:07:52 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 08, 2022, 11:53:05 AMNothing wrong with Marvel's protagonist conceptually. I guess beyond the suit if people still have a hate boner for 4.

The protagonist being female shouldn't make her any different to the villains. They in most cases can't tell who they're fighting.

It's not a franchise that is a boys club if that makes sense. It's actually be weirder if neither party encountered a female.

I don't mind a Predator hunting a woman. I just think it lacks differentiation from Alien. Predator has always been a macho franchise that, at least in the beginning, destroyed and made impotent the machismo of its characters. Focus on this theme and explore it.

Alien is a sex rape monster. It makes sense it goes after woman. Predator is the alpha of alphas, the king of the hill. It makes sense it goes after macho dudes as they care about that sort of thing and think of themselves that way. Most women I've met are too smart for that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Aug 08, 2022, 10:12:37 PM
More than one franchise can have a female lead at a time without them being indistinguishable like damn.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Hadji Murad on Aug 08, 2022, 11:23:43 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 08, 2022, 10:12:37 PMMore than one franchise can have a female lead at a time without them being indistinguishable like damn.

For sure. It's just these two franchises are connected, so it's good to distinguish them from one another where you can. Superman and Batman are deeply connected and occupy the same role (fighting crime), but are very distinct from one another, as is the heart of their stories. The more they resemble one another, the less potent they become.

A female lead in a Predator story is fine, there's no rule that says they can't fight a Predator, and a competent female warrior (i.e. Boudica) could definitely defeat one. I just think it's something Alien has locked down and thematically nailed. So by doing the same, Predator will always be in its shadow (which is one of Predator's issues since the association). So play to the story concepts that take it away from that. Predator also has the unfortunate closeness to a slasher villain, which a female lead only hammers home.

I guess the question at the heart of my point is - what is a monster to a man? what is a monster to a woman? They can be the same thing (Jaws). But they can also be different things. A giant penis rape monster is scary for men, but not quite as unsettling as it is for women. As Predator comes for men, and in the mythology of its world has done for centuries ... lean into making it a monster for men and the visceral fears that come from masculinity, violence, and jostling for status. etc.

Prey, for instance, has a similar plot skeleton to Alien. The group doesn't listen to the woman. The group gets killed. The woman has to defeat the monster. But as it's not playing in Aliens world, and doesn't contain a giant penis rape monster, it's the skeleton of the plot, with none of the richer substance.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 12:03:07 AM
Alien established itself by raping a male character - and it was always explicitly described and understood as a rape, and the choice of sex for the character was very intentional.

 Prey added plenty of substance by having the masculine macho monster not take the woman seriously, and get killed because of it. It wasn't very subtle.

The characters can work for either sex.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Hadji Murad on Aug 09, 2022, 12:23:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 12:03:07 AMAlien established itself by raping a male character - and it was always explicitly described and understood as a rape, and the choice of sex for the character was very intentional.

 Prey added plenty of substance by having the masculine macho monster not take the woman seriously, and get killed because of it. It wasn't very subtle.

The characters can work for either sex.

Of course they can work for another. I was clear that a woman can kill a Predator, and likewise men have killed Aliens. I don't have a problem with that part.

My problem is: just because they can work doesn't mean they work as well.

Alien may have established itself by raping a man, but it's explicitly a monster related to female fears. If it gets you it kills you or uses your body to reproduce. Scary for me as a man sure, but this is a fear that women actually deal with in real life. It's a sci-fi nightmare of a fear every woman can deeply connect to - much more than any man can. They can carry, and grow life inside them - and in a healthy society get to choose who they do that with. The inverse of that is someone forcing that life inside them, and Alien takes that even further by having said life be the worst thing in the universe. Alien isn't just a female monster, it's the ultimate female monster. Cameron took these female themes and expanded them to warring mothers and motherhood, which isn't as interesting (at least in execution), but still female at its heart. Alien 3 essentially ends in an abortion.

If Alien had finished with a Ripley dead and Dallas facing off against the Alien, then Dallas going back to LV-426 etc ... all of this richness would be lost. The films would work... but they wouldn't work as well.

Likewise, Predator is a monster with ties to masculinity. Men are overrepresented in violence. Men commit war. Men jostle for status. Men are obsessed with dominance and competition and glory. This is all in the Iliad, one of the oldest, greatest, and most intensely male things ever written. The story is drenched in blood and the tragedy of male aggression and pride, as well as the glory that comes with it. Predator should operate in that thematic world. It should explore it and lampoon it and, like the Iliad, draw out the flaws in toxic male behaviour.  It's a demon who makes trophies of men - but only because we already make "trophies" of ourselves through the spectrum of male competition already.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 01:52:35 AM
QuoteAlien may have established itself by raping a man, but it's explicitly a monster related to female fears.
It was written by two dudes about what they thought would be scary to happen to them. The rape aspect was taken from certain wasps and how they reproduce.

Ripley's sex is completely irrelevant in Alien and that's one of its enduring strengths.

Contemporary reports said the women in the audience had less trouble with the chest bursting than the guys did.

Women are rarely the victims in the movies and the audience is largely male.

Prey absolutely lampoons Toxic masculinity - by confronting it with a woman that the super macho don't take seriously, because she's not a super macho man. It's perfectly thematically in line with the franchise.

The difference is it doesn't have a manly man beat the manly Predator and maintain the manly status quo at the end. It actually strips the whole thing bare and upends it completely by the end, and can only achieve this level of depth by going against the grain.

You're putting the cart before the horse, starting with the notion that the creatures are more effective at terrorising one sex or the other thematically and working backwards. Just because it works well thematically one way doesn't mean it can't work well thematically the other.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Hadji Murad on Aug 09, 2022, 03:23:58 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 01:52:35 AM
QuoteAlien may have established itself by raping a man, but it's explicitly a monster related to female fears.
It was written by two dudes about what they thought would be scary to happen to them. The rape aspect was taken from certain wasps and how they reproduce.

Ripley's sex is completely irrelevant in Alien and that's one of its enduring strengths.

Contemporary reports said the women in the audience had less trouble with the chest bursting than the guys did.

Tolstoy wrote Anna Karenina, does that have no connection to women and their lives?

The gender of the authors has nothing to do with the overall impact of the art. If it's true, it's true. Stories sit at the intersection between thought and feeling, more so than any art form. Film conveys this through imagery. Alien is a hyper-sexualised phallic image that hits on fears deeply connected to what women actually experience - in other words, what Ripley as a woman will experience. Men can appreciate and enjoy these stories, and find elements of them scary, but it's different for women. Ripley, by nature of being a woman, and what is unique to women and their experience of life, has a relationship with this space rapist more than a man can. The creature is an externalisation of a horror within her soul as a woman.

Ripley's sex isn't just relevant to Alien, it's essential. And that is its enduring strength.

If you change her out for a man this is all lost from the movies. Motherhood issues are lost from Aliens. Rape and abortion don't hit the same in Alien 3.

QuoteWomen are rarely the victims in the movies and the audience is largely male.

The protagonist of the story is a woman. Her relationship with the villain is the one that matters.

The audience being male has to do with it being sci-fi.

QuotePrey absolutely lampoons Toxic masculinity - by confronting it with a woman that the super macho don't take seriously, because she's not a super macho man. It's perfectly thematically in line with the franchise.

The difference is it doesn't have a manly man beat the manly Predator and maintain the manly status quo at the end. It actually strips the whole thing bare and upends it completely by the end, and can only achieve this level of depth by going against the grain.

This is a misreading of the film. Predator isn't about maintaining the manly status quo. It's about the exact opposite of that.

At the start Dutch is arriving in the helicopter as a manly cigar-smoking caricature, dominating people in arm wrestles, insulting their masculinity for having desk jobs, and being referred to as "the best" (at killing people). The message is clear: this is the most macho tough guy around. The king of the hill who has ascended to the top through violence and strength.

But where does it get him?

The Predator is better at killing. Better armed. Stronger. And more macho than him in every way. All Dutch's men (who have a similarly cartoony masculinity to him) get slaughtered, and the creature beats him in every conceivable way. Beats him in cat n mouse. It even beats him in hand-to-hand combat.

How does Dutch win then? Through his manly status? No, through intelligence, presence of mind, and dumb luck.

The creature is the logical end point of everything Dutch is conveyed as at the start of the film - a hyper-macho tough guy whose dominance is derived from its killing ability. Hell, its entire sense of worth/identity seems to be derived from its ability to dominate men in combat.

The film is saying that if you behave this way... you are a monster. And therefore this kind of masculinity is monstrous and undesirable. Dutch is looking in the mirror, and it ain't pretty (what the hell are you... what the hell are you?).

McTiernan is shitting all over the kind of dumb, simple-minded masculinity that was rampant in the 80s, and that YouTube and Alt-right idiots praise Predator for showcasing. The joke is on them.

It's no coincidence that the final shot of Dutch is the exact opposite of the one he's introduced in. The visual storytelling couldn't be more clear. He's beaten, battered, destroyed. His identity/idea of a man has been shown for what it is (monstrous). It's not unrealistic to infer this man is no longer the kind of guy who'll continue to go around dominating his buddies in arm wrestles. He's clearly no longer the best... so what is he?

The film is rightly saying that men must think beyond masculine stereotypes and use their brains instead. Because as long as we don't, we will be monsters. This underlying relationship between the Predator and masculinity is one of the reasons the film resonates where the others don't.

Dutch's gender is completely relevant in Predator and that's one of its enduring strengths.

The sequels missed this. Harrigan beats up the Predator in a macho fight. Brody beats up the Predator in a macho fight. They missed the point completely. It's just a dick-measuring contest for men with fragile masculinity.

Prey doesn't hit on this either. There's no relationship between the Predator's masculinity and the masculinity of the hero. He's just another character who underestimates her and oppresses her. She outright tells this audience this. Which is fine, and works for the film. But again, something is lost.

QuoteYou're putting the cart before the horse, starting with the notion that the creatures are more effective at terrorising one sex or the other thematically and working backwards. Just because it works well thematically one way doesn't mean it can't work well thematically the other.

No, not at all. I'm starting with the themes inherent to the creatures and their initial impression and working from there. Predator is in a film that creates an impression of toxic masculinity and its antidote. Alien is in a film that creates an impression of female sexual fears brought to life.

I also never said it can't work the other way. It can. For the last time, Predators can fight women. Aliens can fight men. It works both ways... it just doesn't think it works as well for either when you do.

The fears/sins of the protagonist should be connected to the nature of the monster. Certainly when those elements are related to the character's sex and/or gender.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 03:37:10 AM
Quote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 09, 2022, 03:23:58 AMRape and abortion don't hit the same in Alien 3.
Alien3 was also lumped in with the AIDs panic interpretation of horror movies -- a bunch of bald men running around worried about a sexually transmitted monster?

You don't get that with a woman.

Which is the point. You lose something, gain something.

QuoteThere's no relationship between the Predator's masculinity and the masculinity of the hero. He's just another character who underestimates her and oppresses her
Another man underestimating and oppressing. It's about the conflict of that masculinity with something alien to it, rather than two versions of it butting heads.

Yes, you lose the macho vs macho -- you gain something else entirely.

The only point you've made is that you prefer the themes expressed one way vs another, not that they're inherently better or more worthy of exploration. And that's what I'm getting at. You can prefer it one way all you like, but it's a fool's errand to say it's how it should be.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Hadji Murad on Aug 09, 2022, 03:45:18 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 03:37:10 AM
Quote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 09, 2022, 03:23:58 AMRape and abortion don't hit the same in Alien 3.
Alien3 was also lumped in with the AIDs panic interpretation of horror movies -- a bunch of bald men running around worried about a sexually transmitted monster?

You don't get that with a woman.

Which is the point. You lose something, gain something.

QuoteThere's no relationship between the Predator's masculinity and the masculinity of the hero. He's just another character who underestimates her and oppresses her
Another man underestimating and oppressing. It's about the conflict of that masculinity with something alien to it, rather than two versions of it butting heads.

Yes, you lose the macho vs macho -- you gain something else entirely.

The only point you've made is that you prefer the themes expressed one way vs another, not that they're inherently better or more worthy of exploration. And that's what I'm getting at. You can prefer it one way all you like, but it's a fool's errand to say it's how it should be.

I guess I'm not communicating myself well enough. I don't want macho vs macho. I want macho explored and revealed as hollow. Which is what the Predator is apt at doing. He should be the BEST at doing it. I want him to be. There are many different ways you could do this and maintain Predator's connection to masculinity throughout. Given how intensely masculine the creature is, it makes sense its better to do this.

Sure you gain something from Prey - but then you've got a hyper-masculine alien hunter with a weaker connection to its protagonist. Doesn't work as well for me, even though the film itself and the point its trying to make is solid.

As for Alien 3. Sure you gain the Aids interpretation. But again, it's a penis rape monster that forces you to bear its evil children. It has a stronger connection to women who face this biological fear. Exploring that is better, for my money.

Just because you can go down a narrative avenue and gain something from it, doesn't mean it's the right one to go down. 

I don't think it's a fools errand to prefer narratives that go all in on their themes and ideas. I think it constricts the narrative potential sure, but that's a good thing. You can stretch these properties too thin. Just look at Star Wars.

If you don't agree, fair enough. I appreciate the differing ideas.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 03:55:37 AM
QuoteBut again, it's a penis rape monster that forces you to bear its evil children. It has a stronger connection to women who face this biological fear. Exploring that is better, for my money.
It's a sexually transmitted penis rape monster running around an all-male prison, known for both penis rape and sexually transmitted diseases. That's a strong connection whether you personally like it or not.

QuoteJust because you can go down a narrative avenue and gain something from it, doesn't mean it's the right one to go down.
Why else do you go down any narrative avenue? Surely whether you gain something from it is the only meaningful test. If you gain something from it, it is worth exploring. There's nothing worse than going down a narrative avenue for nothing other than spectacle.

QuoteI don't think it's a fools errand to prefer narratives that go all in on their themes and ideas.
I didn't say it was. I said it's a fools errand to say that some themes are inherently better than others to explore.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Hadji Murad on Aug 09, 2022, 04:04:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 03:55:37 AM
QuoteBut again, it's a penis rape monster that forces you to bear its evil children. It has a stronger connection to women who face this biological fear. Exploring that is better, for my money.
It's a sexually transmitted penis rape monster running around an all-male prison, known for both penis rape and sexually transmitted diseases. That's a strong connection whether you personally like it or not.

For sure, it is a strong connection I agree. I just don't personally find it as strong as a woman in a prison filled with rapist and a rape monster that has biologically violated her.

QuoteI didn't say it was. I said it's a fools errand to say that some themes are inherently better than others to explore.

Fair enough. I think some themes are inherently better to explore than others with the context of these monsters. Ripley is subject to her biology and fears inherent to that - Alien reflects that inner state of hers. Dutch is a perpetrator of toxic masculinity and is subject to the horror is seeing the true face of that - Predator reflects that inner state of his. I'd like them to keep reflecting that inner reality of the character, rather than just be an external threat with a lesser connection to the protag.

It seems that we both want the same thing - narratively resonant Alien / Predator stories. I'm just more extreme about it, rightly or wrongly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Agent Aztlan on Aug 10, 2022, 04:01:58 PM
First issue and I see a timeline error?
Predators takes place in 2024 not 2010. 2010 is the release date of the movie.
So, either Marvel made a mistake or Predator: Hunting Grounds isn't canon anymore (the game taking place in 2025 and Isabelle saying she has been stranded on the Game Preserve Planet for a year)?

Otherwise, I found this first issue very basic in story, and quiet unrealistic for a human to kill
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kradan on Aug 10, 2022, 04:07:57 PM
That sounds ... disturbing
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 10, 2022, 06:28:04 PM
f**k it, Marvel's a separate continuity.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Aug 10, 2022, 06:50:30 PM
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: The Rogue Alien on Aug 11, 2022, 02:36:26 AM
I don't know how to feel about the setting,
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I don't mind taking Predator further into the future but while reading the comic I felt like I was reading the set up of an AvP story. Humanity star hopping around within the next 30ish years feels like a bit of a stretch to me and the other alien race Theta finds felt like something out of Star Wars. Given that it's in the not so distant future I would have preferred a story set on earth with plasma based weaponry or human developed cloaking tech to bring the sci-fi feel.
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Maybe because I've only read the Concrete Jungle and Predator 2 comics I went in expecting a more traditional predator storyline, but I'm interested in seeing how this comic wraps up.

The variant cover with the predator captured in night vision butchering soldiers is glorious though. That cover is the fantasy of every Predator main in the Hunting Grounds game!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Mr.Turok on Aug 11, 2022, 02:41:46 AM
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Aug 10, 2022, 04:01:58 PMFirst issue and I see a timeline error?
Predators takes place in 2024 not 2010. 2010 is the release date of the movie.
So, either Marvel made a mistake or Predator: Hunting Grounds isn't canon anymore (the game taking place in 2025 and Isabelle saying she has been stranded on the Game Preserve Planet for a year)?

Otherwise, I found this first issue very basic in story, and quiet unrealistic for a human to kill
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It's never said that its hand to hand, just that she slain that many. How is the question but I'd guess that she eventually learned how to do so within time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Agent Aztlan on Aug 11, 2022, 11:23:50 AM
Sorry,
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Also, I like the fact that Marvel did its first Predator hero a skinny androgynous teenage girl with her parents working for a company with a pyramid-eye logo.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Engineer on Aug 12, 2022, 04:01:11 AM
I just read issue 1 of predator.
I hated it.
I had high hopes marvel would knock this one out of the park, but instead i think they missed the mark.
Oh well, at least "Prey" freakin rules!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2022, 07:20:29 AM
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Aug 10, 2022, 04:01:58 PMSo, either Marvel made a mistake or Predator: Hunting Grounds isn't canon anymore (the game taking place in 2025 and Isabelle saying she has been stranded on the Game Preserve Planet for a year)?

It's more like Marvel isn't taking the other properties into account. I know they certainly didn't with Alien to start with and have only just started trying to join up.


Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Aug 11, 2022, 11:23:50 AMSorry,
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not 12, but more than 16. And for the first 5-6 Preds, she was not prepared... Of course, hundreds years old skilled warrior Predators are so easy to kill
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Also, I like the fact that Marvel did its first Predator hero a skinny androgynous teenage girl with her parents working for a company with a pyramid-eye logo.

Considering it's been 15 since her first incident, she's in her 20s at the very least.


I thought it was a nice solid opener. I'm intrigued by Theta, and I like the idea of plotting out the Predator hunting routes to attempt to ambush them. However, I do think Marvel is doing a DC Movies here and jumping to a point they haven't really worked to.

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We open on our lead taking down a Predator - one of many over her backstory.

We know Predators can die. It's the entire premise of Hunters (and to be fair I do like this being a spiritual successor) but Hunters was a culmination of several standalone series with established characters. It feels a little like Marvel jumped the gun and went straight for showing the Predators on the backfoot which doesn't feel earned.

It does seem structured around flashbacks for background so I imagine we'll learn more about Theta's journey as the story progresses so I'll have to see how I feel about that once I know more about her character. A series with the Predator Theta is hunting is introduced and established might have been a better start.
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I do agree the timeline seems a little too close to the present. Something towards the end of the century - during the Alien prequel era - would have felt more appropriate, I think.

I'm really enjoying Kev Walker and Frank D'Armata's work on the artwork in this! It's fantastic to see some actual art and the style works well, I think!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Agent Aztlan on Aug 12, 2022, 08:06:17 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2022, 07:20:29 AMIt's more like Marvel isn't taking the other properties into account. I know they certainly didn't with Alien to start with and have only just started trying to join up.

I find it not professionnal at all for Marvel (or Nicole Spiegel?), after so many years of acquiring these franchises, to fail with dates or lore.
I mean, you begin something new with big properties, you try to listen a minimum to guys who created/solidified the foundations of the franchises to see where you're going next: Titan Books (or Illfonic and Cold Iron Studios) is doing it with 20th Century Fox, writers and fans.

For now, Marvel is doing the same thing as Disney with Star Wars (except for Rogue One and Mandalorian), Marvel Studios with MCU Phase 4+ and Amazon with LotR:RoP: they try to make a lot of money, imposing a weird agenda to viewers, and not listening to the fans or lore basis.

Hopefully, the movie Prey escaped to this, and I am grateful of the director, actors and the movie team for their great work.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2022, 08:08:28 AM
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Aug 12, 2022, 08:06:17 AMI find it not professionnal at all for Marvel (or Nicole Spiegel?), after so many years of acquiring these franchises, to fail with dates or lore.

It's not an issue of professionalism. Marvel didn't want to be tied down by the other stuff, and since the Disney purchase there's no longer anyone managing from Fox's POV that wants to keep them all tied together like during the 2010s.

It's nothing new to either Predator or any franchise. It's just a different continuity. Predators was always assumed to be in 2010 as that's when the movie was released. And ultimately it's neither here nor there. It doesn't have a bearing on the story.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Agent Aztlan on Aug 12, 2022, 08:31:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2022, 08:08:28 AMIt's not an issue of professionalism. Marvel didn't want to be tied down by the other stuff, and since the Disney purchase there's no longer anyone managing from Fox's POV that wants to keep them all tied together like during the 2010s.

It's nothing new to either Predator or any franchise. It's just a different continuity. Predators was always assumed to be in 2010 as that's when the movie was released. And ultimately it's neither here nor there. It doesn't have a bearing on the story.

So, in this case, for now only movies and Marvel comics are the new canon... and it's sad but f*ck Predator: Hunting Grounds, Alien: Isolation, Aliens: Fireteam Elite, Titan novels, Alien RPG, NECA and Lanard action figures because their are not made/supervised/monitored by Disney?
It's all Star Wars EU again, and I'm not interested to see the Alien, Predator and AvP franchises being screwed by them.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2022, 08:33:24 AM
For Predator, at least. There's now someone handling co-ordination on Alien from Studios/Disney, but I don't believe there is for Predator.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Aug 12, 2022, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Aug 12, 2022, 08:31:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2022, 08:08:28 AMIt's not an issue of professionalism. Marvel didn't want to be tied down by the other stuff, and since the Disney purchase there's no longer anyone managing from Fox's POV that wants to keep them all tied together like during the 2010s.

It's nothing new to either Predator or any franchise. It's just a different continuity. Predators was always assumed to be in 2010 as that's when the movie was released. And ultimately it's neither here nor there. It doesn't have a bearing on the story.

So, in this case, for now only movies and Marvel comics are the new canon... and it's sad but f*ck Predator: Hunting Grounds, Alien: Isolation, Aliens: Fireteam Elite, Titan novels, Alien RPG, NECA and Lanard action figures because their are not made/supervised/monitored by Disney?
It's all Star Wars EU again, and I'm not interested to see the Alien, Predator and AvP franchises being screwed by them.
The movies have never cared about any of the expanded material. The expanded material has contradicted itself on plenty of occasions. None of this is new under Disney.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 12, 2022, 01:14:36 PM
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Aug 12, 2022, 08:31:21 AMSo, in this case, for now only movies and Marvel comics are the new canon... and it's sad but f*ck Predator: Hunting Grounds, Alien: Isolation, Aliens: Fireteam Elite, Titan novels, Alien RPG, NECA and Lanard action figures because their are not made/supervised/monitored by Disney?
It's all Star Wars EU again, and I'm not interested to see the Alien, Predator and AvP franchises being screwed by them.

So what you are saying's Marvel's Alien and Predator runs are all elseworlds tales then. Got it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Engineer on Aug 12, 2022, 03:07:50 PM
Major retcons of the comics have been a recurring thing for alien/predator/AVP since the early 90s. Pretty much every time a new movie released starting with Alien 3. I've been expecting another retcon ever since I first heard about the fox/Disney merger. Disney/marvel did the same thing with Star Wars, as someone previously pointed out. It's frustrating but understandable. They tossed out pretty much everything except the movies and started fresh. Slowly, they've been re-introducing the old EU characters/concepts and meshing them into a *less* convoluted new EU. Tbh it's not all that different from how marvel has handled their flag-ship properties either (how many times have they rebooted the spider man comics? X men? Etc.).

I guess the good news for predator is that a large portion of the stories were anthology-style so they can stand alone. That makes it easier to keep it as your own canon without any contradictions despite marvel/Disney's stance on its canonical status. For example, if you're a big fan of "Predator: pride at nghasa" they'd really have to go out of their way to purposely remove this out of potential-canon status with a new story that takes place then and there to contradict it. Otherwise, a story like the one marvel just started does very little to change the stories that came before.

Prey, on the other hand did result in a retcon of a comic. That short story "1718." But unlike the retcons from the ALIEN side of the fence, this movie only retconned a single, 10-page short story rather than the entire EU. Personally, I like Prey better than that old "1718" comic anyway. 


Ps. About that "anthology-style" remark, I guess I should add a note on to that. This was largely the case before the "Predator: Hunters" series. Nemesis, bad blood, big game/blood on two-witch Mesa were all stand alone stories that were then tied together by the "hunters" series. The original Schaefer trilogy (concrete jungle, Cold War, dark river) tied in with the first movie more, and "hunters III" tied them in more strongly with nemesis, bad blood and big game too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wompdonkey on Aug 12, 2022, 10:37:29 PM


So, in this case, for now only movies and Marvel comics are the new canon... and it's sad but f*ck Predator: Hunting Grounds, Alien: Isolation, Aliens: Fireteam Elite, Titan novels, Alien RPG, NECA and Lanard action figures because their are not made/supervised/monitored by Disney?
It's all Star Wars EU again, and I'm not interested to see the Alien, Predator and AvP franchises being screwed by them.
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The comics and books have never been part of one giant continuity. Also, none of those things have been made not canon.

Also also, the EU of Star Wars was so giant and convoluted that the only way they could have made a sequel was to ignore it. Star Wars is so much bigger than the few thousand fans that read the books.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Aug 13, 2022, 12:52:22 AM
No big corporation can tell us what we can enjoy or discuss online

The Predator EU like SW Legends will always be a canon unto itself


Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2022, 03:55:37 AMI didn't say it was. I said it's a fools errand to say that some themes are inherently better than others to explore.

I think the idea is that certain monsters by their nature are stronger vehicles for exploring certain themes. Up to debate regarding the aliens and predator, but I do think Predator is a deconstruction of gung ho masculinity. It's quite a smart film despite the 80s action hero optics of the first act.

Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Aug 13, 2022, 01:37:47 AM
And it has been used to explore those themes wonderfully. It can afford to explore something else occasionally.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 13, 2022, 02:18:48 AM
Quote from: Hadji Murad on Aug 09, 2022, 03:23:58 AMto what women actually experience ... is unique to women and their experience of life, has a relationship with this space rapist more than a man can

Yeah, because no man has ever been raped, right?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 13, 2022, 01:08:06 PM
Screenwriter Dan O'Bannon later recalled: "I said, 'That's how I'm going to attack the audience; I'm going to attack them sexually. And I'm not going after the women in the audience, I'm going to attack the men. I'm going to put in every image I can think of to make the men in the audience cross their legs. '"
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Rex on Aug 14, 2022, 03:40:34 AM
Just finished reading the first issue. I think it was decently promising, but I'm curious what the general consensus in the fandom is. I would've preferred if Marvel went with something a bit more traditional for this first issue/storyline rather than just starting off with a Machiko-esque character, but I'm willing to see where it goes nonetheless.

Although I hope following issues better highlight how dangerous the Predators are. The fight in the first few pages seemed too easy.


Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Aug 12, 2022, 08:31:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2022, 08:08:28 AMIt's not an issue of professionalism. Marvel didn't want to be tied down by the other stuff, and since the Disney purchase there's no longer anyone managing from Fox's POV that wants to keep them all tied together like during the 2010s.

It's nothing new to either Predator or any franchise. It's just a different continuity. Predators was always assumed to be in 2010 as that's when the movie was released. And ultimately it's neither here nor there. It doesn't have a bearing on the story.

So, in this case, for now only movies and Marvel comics are the new canon... and it's sad but f*ck Predator: Hunting Grounds, Alien: Isolation, Aliens: Fireteam Elite, Titan novels, Alien RPG, NECA and Lanard action figures because their are not made/supervised/monitored by Disney?
It's all Star Wars EU again, and I'm not interested to see the Alien, Predator and AvP franchises being screwed by them.

I can understand the frustration, but as a long-time fan of the Godzilla series, I find rebooting a series fairly normal; as convoluted as it can get to keep track of for newcomers.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2022, 07:36:17 AM
Quote from: Rex on Aug 14, 2022, 03:40:34 AMI would've preferred if Marvel went with something a bit more traditional for this first issue/storyline rather than just starting off with a Machiko-esque character, but I'm willing to see where it goes nonetheless.

Yeah, I agree. I think they've jumped too far ahead, where they should have started with something like establishing this new Predator.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Nelostic on Aug 14, 2022, 08:25:12 AM
Marvel just want make
Predator comix for girls too!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Huntsman on Aug 14, 2022, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 12, 2022, 04:01:11 AMI just read issue 1 of predator.
I hated it.
I had high hopes marvel would knock this one out of the park, but instead i think they missed the mark.
Oh well, at least "Prey" freakin rules!!
Didn't like it either, and the art is poor.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Aug 14, 2022, 03:24:56 PM
Writing this as I'm reading it.

Spoiler
- On the timeline page Predators is listed as taking place in 2010. Isabelle returns to Earth somewhere around 2025. Shane Black was under the impression that it takes place during or after The Predator. Isabelle can still return to Earth in 2025, it just means that she's been gone for 15 years for those events to have taken place in 2010. Further assuming that comment about Assassin being related to the supers is correct, that still works, we just have to assume if Assassin is any sort of prototype then the genetic engineering has to be before 2010.

- Fugitive did not crash in America, he crashed in Mexico (filmed in Canada). The ship is brought to America and Assassin's ship lands in America, but Fugitive does not crash there.

- Theta should've been killed. Common misconception, they WILL kill kids. The only reason City Hunter didn't blow the kid away in the cemetery was that he wasn't holding a real gun. Later in the film he goes wild on the subway because literally everybody was armed. He only doesn't kill Leona because she's pregnant and her baby cannot fight back by any means, but Theta cut off the Predator's mandible. She should be dead. It's a threat she made good on.
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That out of the way, it's not bad, it's just not Predator. This feels like Alien, but one of that book's cast is fighting a Predator. And I understand Theta is not from that and I haven't kept up with Alien due to the tracing but you know what I mean. It's tonally at odds with the films it's using to inform the backstory of the Marvel Predator continuity. Marvel's Predator feels like the world of Alien, and the world of Predator while fantastical is very much grounded in our world. Predators are scary because they inhabit a world like our own warts and all. Protagonists of these movies tend to be millitary but any of the fantastical weapons and gear either belong to the aliens themselves or are super science informed by encounters with these aliens. Theta's armor is fine, we've seen enough of these over the years that's not an issue, but putting it near future and in space is a mistake.

It works from this idea that Theta could use one of their ships. Perhaps her first kill and uses that to find her nemesis. Why is it an Alien Prequel style landing craft? This book takes place roughly 30 years from now in deep space. It's too much.

As well is that we know the Predators fight other aliens, we've seen the River Ghost and trophy cases, but the designs of the aliens here look more like something that belongs in Marvel comics. Yeah this is very much a Marvel book, but they look like Moloids. Which don't look anything like any of the aliens in the films. And while granted most of those are skulls and the River Ghost, they again don't tonally belong here.

And really that's my issue with the book. It reads fine, it's just not Predator. Which of course is half the reason you'd even buy this thing. But end of the day it reads fine, the art is mostly clear what is happening and Theta has a simple origin story and comes across fine if not single-minded. It's just that this is a book that could be a whole lot better, and more Predator.

I give it a C. Either needs a relaunch like Alien or a new writer that has gotten a refresher on the universe. Not a bad pitch but definitely a rocky start.
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Aug 14, 2022, 04:40:47 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 14, 2022, 03:24:56 PMWriting this as I'm reading it.

Spoiler
- On the timeline page Predators is listed as taking place in 2010. Isabelle returns to Earth somewhere around 2025. Shane Black was under the impression that it takes place during or after The Predator. Isabelle can still return to Earth in 2025, it just means that she's been gone for 15 years for those events to have taken place in 2010. Further assuming that comment about Assassin being related to the supers is correct, that still works, we just have to assume if Assassin is any sort of prototype then the genetic engineering has to be before 2010.

- Fugitive did not crash in America, he crashed in Mexico (filmed in Canada). The ship is brought to America and Assassin's ship lands in America, but Fugitive does not crash there.

- Theta should've been killed. Common misconception, they WILL kill kids. The only reason City Hunter didn't blow the kid away in the cemetery was that he wasn't holding a real gun. Later in the film he goes wild on the subway because literally everybody was armed. He only doesn't kill Leona because she's pregnant and her baby cannot fight back by any means, but Theta cut off the Predator's mandible. She should be dead. It's a threat she made good on.
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That out of the way, it's not bad, it's just not Predator. This feels like Alien, but one of that book's cast is fighting a Predator. And I understand Theta is not from that and I haven't kept up with Alien due to the tracing but you know what I mean. It's tonally at odds with the films it's using to inform the backstory of the Marvel Predator continuity. Marvel's Predator feels like the world of Alien, and the world of Predator while fantastical is very much grounded in our world. Predators are scary because they inhabit a world like our own warts and all. Protagonists of these movies tend to be millitary but any of the fantastical weapons and gear either belong to the aliens themselves or are super science informed by encounters with these aliens. Theta's armor is fine, we've seen enough of these over the years that's not an issue, but putting it near future and in space is a mistake.

It works from this idea that Theta could use one of their ships. Perhaps her first kill and uses that to find her nemesis. Why is it an Alien Prequel style landing craft? This book takes place roughly 30 years from now in deep space. It's too much.

As well is that we know the Predators fight other aliens, we've seen the River Ghost and trophy cases, but the designs of the aliens here look more like something that belongs in Marvel comics. Yeah this is very much a Marvel book, but they look like Moloids. Which don't look anything like any of the aliens in the films. And while granted most of those are skulls and the River Ghost, they again don't tonally belong here.

And really that's my issue with the book. It reads fine, it's just not Predator. Which of course is half the reason you'd even buy this thing. But end of the day it reads fine, the art is mostly clear what is happening and Theta has a simple origin story and comes across fine if not single-minded. It's just that this is a book that could be a whole lot better, and more Predator.

I give it a C. Either needs a relaunch like Alien or a new writer that has gotten a refresher on the universe. Not a bad pitch but definitely a rocky start.
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yeah there not gunna be a new writer for a while remember these were done when the lawsuit first started. we don't know how many arcs they have finished from then to now
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wompdonkey on Aug 14, 2022, 07:27:50 PM
Im out of the loop I guess, but what lawsuit are you referring to?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Aug 14, 2022, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: Wompdonkey on Aug 14, 2022, 07:27:50 PMIm out of the loop I guess, but what lawsuit are you referring to?
the one bout the rights to predator that was a few years ago that prevent marvel from releasing these issues when they first got the licence
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wompdonkey on Aug 14, 2022, 11:06:54 PM
Quote from: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Aug 14, 2022, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: Wompdonkey on Aug 14, 2022, 07:27:50 PMIm out of the loop I guess, but what lawsuit are you referring to?
the one bout the rights to predator that was a few years ago that prevent marvel from releasing these issues when they first got the licence

Oh wow this is the first I'm hearing about it. So we might be locked in to a few arcs. I just bought my issue today but I haven't had a chance to read it. People don't seem super jazzed about it, but for different reasons than when Marvel's Alien first released.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Aug 15, 2022, 04:51:42 AM
This is really weird, the backstory is very bad and hard to believe, the art is a breath of fresh air, even if unmasked preds are ugly, but the writing itself is fine, it really feels like they handed a shitty premise to a semi competent writer and told him to fix it
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: ModMonkey on Aug 15, 2022, 05:20:00 AM
Quote from: Rex on Aug 14, 2022, 03:40:34 AMJust finished reading the first issue. I think it was decently promising, but I'm curious what the general consensus in the fandom is.

I thought it was an excellent first issue, personally. They probably jumped that far ahead so they wouldn't conflict with anything 20th Studios might have in development. Time periods mean very little to me in this franchise as it has always jumped around, as long as there have been Predator comics.

The writing was solid, as was the art. I'm curious where it's going next. Happier with this launch than with the first issue of Alien.


You should read again, SuperiorIronman.

Spoiler
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 14, 2022, 03:24:56 PM- Theta should've been killed. Common misconception, they WILL kill kids. The only reason City Hunter didn't blow the kid away in the cemetery was that he wasn't holding a real gun. Later in the film he goes wild on the subway because literally everybody was armed. He only doesn't kill Leona because she's pregnant and her baby cannot fight back by any means, but Theta cut off the Predator's mandible. She should be dead. It's a threat she made good on.


Theta's mom cut off the tusk and dropped the blade when the Predator killed her. You see it hanging on her belt and it's her who is hacking at the Predator holding her. Then Theta steps up to pick up the blade, is ignored by the Predator, and goes to see about her mom.
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Rex on Aug 15, 2022, 12:31:46 PM
Quote from: ModMonkey on Aug 15, 2022, 05:20:00 AMTime periods mean very little to me in this franchise as it has always jumped around, as long as there have been Predator comics.

The writing was solid, as was the art. I'm curious where it's going next. Happier with this launch than with the first issue of Alien.


Here's hoping for a more traditional Marvel Predator story in the near future.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Aug 15, 2022, 02:04:07 PM
I'll concede it probably was the mom but my point still stands she should be dead. Establishing Predator 2 as backstory should mean this guy shouldn't take issue with it. Yeah things could be different between them, but then why establish a timeline if it's not going to inform how this universe works?

Of course there's probably more to this in later issues but it doesn't hold up for me on its own.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Wompdonkey on Aug 18, 2022, 01:19:15 AM
Other people have said it, but this Series seems like it's going to tie I to AvP, but I don't think they will. I'm not usually one for Preds in the future, but I kinda like the story set up.

Art is pretty solid, and the pacing of the issue is pretty good as well. Theta is a bit too much of an ultimate badass to so easily hunt Predators, but I think issue 2 will flip that so she is the hunted.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 21, 2022, 04:38:54 PM
Finally got around to giving this a read and I like it so far. I enjoyed how the story bounced back and forth between the past and the present. The art is especially great during the action scenes as it conveys so much movement! I like the future setting but it does give me a "Xenogenesis" type of vibe which isn't my favorite but I'm still interested to see where it goes!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Aug 21, 2022, 05:22:02 PM
November's Predator #4  Solicitation


PREDATOR #4
ED BRISSON (W) • KEV WALKER (A) • Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Variant Cover by Salvador Larroca • Variant Cover by Stan Sakai
Theta's in danger as two Predators have her cornered! It's life or death as Theta goes head-to-head in an all-out dogfight!
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$3.99

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664669551971008512/1010959599609860167/NxoyjzeB4EJiU6YhwPauFW-1200-80.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Kradan on Aug 21, 2022, 06:15:55 PM
Muscle lady, mmm, yummy
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Ultramorph on Aug 21, 2022, 06:50:23 PM
I really like the Pred design on that cover. Very Bad Blood vibes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: ZergVsProtoss on Aug 21, 2022, 08:32:17 PM
First post on my new account here since I have long lost the email account from my original.

Picked up the comic without having any prior knowledge to the storyline.

Like:

Dislike:
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Aug 22, 2022, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: ZergVsProtoss on Aug 21, 2022, 08:32:17 PMFirst post on my new account here since I have long lost the email account from my original.

Picked up the comic without having any prior knowledge to the storyline.

Like:
  • Future Storyline (Easier for an Alien crossover in the future)
  • Art for the most part
  • Variant Cover I picked up was top notch

Dislike:
  • Going to echo what other says and say I wish they kicked things off with a more traditional Predator storyline.
  • The other Aliens look like they were ripped from a Guardians of the Galaxy comic and not something that would appear in the Predator/Alien Universe
  • Starting a new series by Worfing your title character is a bold move and I don't think it really will pay off.

I got more Star Wars vibes from the other aliens
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: (Bad Blood) on Sep 02, 2022, 06:57:52 AM
The only thing I didn't like was the completely unbelievable main character. Even Arnold could barely handle one Predator.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Sep 02, 2022, 01:13:39 PM
I dunno she's been doing this for a while  but I would like them to have her struggle against some of them
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 04, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
We're meeting her at a point where she's been doing it for 10 (I think?) years, so she's obviously capable. I think we're going to get her backstory and her struggles through flashbacks as the series progresses.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Sep 06, 2022, 05:46:07 AM
Quote from: ZergVsProtoss on Aug 21, 2022, 08:32:17 PMDislike:
  • Starting a new series by Worfing your title character is a bold move and I don't think it really will pay off.

They could make up for this by introducing a deadlier "elite" predator later on, perhaps someone like Smiley in Civilised Beasts
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: RidgeTop on Sep 06, 2022, 08:13:30 PM
Issue 2 Preview

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-predator-2-first-look/#8

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 14, 2022, 03:24:56 PM- On the timeline page Predators is listed as taking place in 2010. Isabelle returns to Earth somewhere around 2025. Shane Black was under the impression that it takes place during or after The Predator. Isabelle can still return to Earth in 2025, it just means that she's been gone for 15 years for those events to have taken place in 2010. Further assuming that comment about Assassin being related to the supers is correct, that still works, we just have to assume if Assassin is any sort of prototype then the genetic engineering has to be before 2010.

- Fugitive did not crash in America, he crashed in Mexico (filmed in Canada). The ship is brought to America and Assassin's ship lands in America, but Fugitive does not crash there.

I think The Predators date thing is just them not coordinating with what's going on in Hunting Grounds unfortunately. It's just a general intro page thing and I wouldn't put much canon-shifting weight in it myself.

Fugitive's ship crashes in Georgia, USA, or perhaps across the state line in Florida (listed as FL in the script). His escape pod ejects over Mexico. How the ship managed to glide all the way there that long after he bailed is just one of the many silly things of that movie. Though I suppose it's not that implausible given the geography if the ship is still going fast enough.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2022, 08:18:47 PM
Okay, I'm curious.

Spoiler
Humanoid alien.
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I've been wanting to see a more prominent one of those in Predator for a while now.  Curious to see how it's handled.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Komenja on Sep 11, 2022, 04:06:02 PM
Finally got around to getting this. It is pretty jarring to hard open on
Spoiler
a human character whose already a seasoned expert at kicking Predator ass. I hope the flashbacks will give us a believable journey of her getting to that level.

Also, I have a hunch the Predator she's after is a Bad Blood, or at least one whose abusing technicalities in the honor code to get cheap kills. I don't know, maybe we need to find out more about what was going on on the planet where Theta's parent's were killed, and if that organization had any prior conflict with Predators there, but the way he just kills a father who only went out into the woods to find his kid, then goes to hunt down the mother and kill anyone in his way (including two guys who were completely unarmed), gives me that vibe.
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QuoteI've been wanting to see a more prominent one of those in Predator for a while now.  Curious to see how it's handled.
Same. Seeing bits of that with Ahab in Fire & Stone was really cool.

Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2022, 08:09:09 AM
#2 should be dropping today!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Sep 14, 2022, 08:28:59 PM
Spoiler
I liked   issue #2  but I don't think people will like their being other sapient aliens other then Yautja or humans
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Sep 16, 2022, 12:13:43 PM
Excuse the double post but

December's Predator #5  Solicitation

PREDATOR #5
ED BRISSON (W) • KEV WALKER (A) • Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Variant Cover by PHILIP TAN • Variant Cover by GREG LAND Theta has been taken prisoner...but her captors aren't the Predators! Who are they? And will Theta be able to escape? Or will the Predators finally avenge their fallen kin?
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$3.99

(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/tLVXBLBZpmQoBsjhBr9nPn-1200-80.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Sep 16, 2022, 03:11:09 PM
Issue #2
Spoiler
I overall enjoyed it, but I can't help but feel a lil blue balled that we don't see an actual fight with a Predator like the awesome cover art and variants suggests. But that's the nature of comic covers sometimes lol.
I'm enjoying the buildup and some of the character development. I think I'm liking the direction it's going a lil more. Although I do agree about some of the other aliens looking a little too Guardians of the Galaxy esque. But it doesn't ruin the series for me, so far.
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Sep 16, 2022, 03:37:57 PM
So...
Spoiler
Is this Predator meant to be the new continuity's Enforcer?
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Sep 20, 2022, 08:29:55 PM
Just read issue 2 and so far I'm really enjoying the pacing of the series. Not a lot of Predator in this issue but I liked that Theta had other obstacles to overcome. My minor nitpick would be that the rate
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of new sentient aliens appearing is a bit jarring so far but I suppose that could be due to the Pred's Hunting Map and humans access to Predator tech.
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 21, 2022, 08:23:13 AM
I'm okay with it not having a Predator in every single issue. I imagine it'll be a 6 issue arc, so I'm happy with them taking their time.

I'm not sure about the new
Spoiler
aliens. Just seemed a little too comical, but I'll roll with it and see where it goes.
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Sep 25, 2022, 02:54:41 PM
We got the cover for Predator #6 from the Leaked marvel solicitation preview for January 2023

no actual solicitation yet only some marvel titles got full solicitations in the preview  Alien , Predator and Star Wars didn't yet .

https://is2.4chan.org/co/1663769590186896.png (https://is2.4chan.org/co/1663769590186896.png)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 19, 2022, 09:08:22 AM
https://aiptcomics.com/2022/10/14/marvel-preview-predator-3/


Oh yes!
Spoiler
The wrist-rocket.
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Nice to see that make a return!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Oct 20, 2022, 03:24:00 PM
 https://i.4cdn.org/co/1666279231997771.jpg (https://i.4cdn.org/co/1666279231997771.jpg)

PREDATOR #6

ED BRISSON (W) • KEV WALKER (A) • Cover by LEINIL FRANCIS YU

Variant Cover by CARLOS MAGNO

Theta and the Astar team are under attack by a Predator! But is this the one Theta has been searching for all her life? Don't miss what happens as Theta comes face-to-face with what could be her final battle!

32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$3.99
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Oct 20, 2022, 09:20:58 PM
Another solid issue! I really do like this story even though it stretches my suspension of disbelief to a degree.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: RidgeTop on Oct 25, 2022, 07:51:59 PM
Well Land is back, on one of the variants for #5.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1556/9595/products/75960609928300521_500x.jpg?v=1666709938)
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Engineer on Oct 26, 2022, 02:02:16 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 25, 2022, 07:51:59 PMWell Land is back, on one of the variants for #5.

Ugh. I wish he'd just go away...


Looks to me like he forgot to finish drawing/tracing the legs too
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: SiL on Oct 26, 2022, 03:07:34 AM
That left leg looks like it's bolted on the side like a teddy bear.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: (Bad Blood) on Oct 26, 2022, 03:14:46 AM
So anyone else think she has killed WAY too many Predators? I just can't get past that detail, I love the character herself but that piece of information in issue 3 was just too much. I can understand a couple of them but not anywhere near as many as they said.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Engineer on Oct 26, 2022, 03:49:06 AM
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Oct 26, 2022, 03:14:46 AMSo anyone else think she has killed WAY too many Predators? I just can't get past that detail, I love the character herself but that piece of information in issue 3 was just too much. I can understand a couple of them but not anywhere near as many as they said.

I don't like anything about this story arc. Especially the fact that it pretty much kicks off with her being a seasoned hunter of the predators. I don't mind people hunting them, but it has to be *earned* first, like all of the characters in Dark Horse's "Hunters," "Hunters II" and "Hunters III" series. Without that, and just jumping right into her being a seasoned hunter of them, It just Reduces the predators to generic-alien-killers and basic-canon-fodder imo.

From my perspective it Completely loses the high-stakes hunter/prey dynamic the series was known for, and it seems more like a sci-fi franchise in the middle of an identity crisis. I can see someone having the rebuttal that the high-stakes hunter/prey dynamic is still there just reversed, but that just doesn't work for me; it's not as interesting narratively to me.

I was really looking forward to checking this series out. I'm not just bashing on it because it's marvel (I've always been a fan of marvel). But this really has been a disappointment. I'm hoping that "Prey" will inspire them to recalibrate their approach to the predator franchise and return to a more traditional story arc.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: (Bad Blood) on Oct 26, 2022, 08:25:21 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Oct 26, 2022, 03:49:06 AM
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Oct 26, 2022, 03:14:46 AMSo anyone else think she has killed WAY too many Predators? I just can't get past that detail, I love the character herself but that piece of information in issue 3 was just too much. I can understand a couple of them but not anywhere near as many as they said.

I don't like anything about this story arc. Especially the fact that it pretty much kicks off with her being a seasoned hunter of the predators. I don't mind people hunting them, but it has to be *earned* first, like all of the characters in Dark Horse's "Hunters," "Hunters II" and "Hunters III" series. Without that, and just jumping right into her being a seasoned hunter of them, It just Reduces the predators to generic-alien-killers and basic-canon-fodder imo.

From my perspective it Completely loses the high-stakes hunter/prey dynamic the series was known for, and it seems more like a sci-fi franchise in the middle of an identity crisis. I can see someone having the rebuttal that the high-stakes hunter/prey dynamic is still there just reversed, but that just doesn't work for me; it's not as interesting narratively to me.

I was really looking forward to checking this series out. I'm not just bashing on it because it's marvel (I've always been a fan of marvel). But this really has been a disappointment. I'm hoping that "Prey" will inspire them to recalibrate their approach to the predator franchise and return to a more traditional story arc.
I feel exactly the same way you do about it. It honestly just undermines the crap out of the Predators and it's just actually demoralizing as a predator fan to see. Fearing that this trend might pick up steam and then I honestly would be done with the franchise at that point. The whole point of the original films and stories was that we were hopelessly outmatched and it took one super cunning and skilled individual to take one down, and that's just one, not 23, one. Usually alot of deaths being involved in the process as well, even when facing a young blood/blooded like City Hunter. So indeed I understand completely.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Engineer on Oct 26, 2022, 06:38:01 PM
I'll say this too...

Dark horse wasn't perfect, but if they were still handling the comics today, we would have had an "official prequel to Prey" already where feral faced-off against the French fur trappers prior to his encounter with Naru. Such a missed opportunity there I think... I miss that level of cooperative tie-ins too...
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 27, 2022, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Oct 26, 2022, 03:49:06 AMI don't like anything about this story arc. Especially the fact that it pretty much kicks off with her being a seasoned hunter of the predators. I don't mind people hunting them, but it has to be *earned* first, like all of the characters in Dark Horse's "Hunters," "Hunters II" and "Hunters III" series. Without that, and just jumping right into her being a seasoned hunter of them, It just Reduces the predators to generic-alien-killers and basic-canon-fodder imo.

From my perspective it Completely loses the high-stakes hunter/prey dynamic the series was known for, and it seems more like a sci-fi franchise in the middle of an identity crisis. I can see someone having the rebuttal that the high-stakes hunter/prey dynamic is still there just reversed, but that just doesn't work for me; it's not as interesting narratively to me.

Yeah, this is my main issue with the series so far too. It's so DC Movies, trying to play catch up with Marvel and jumping to the end. We should have had other series that led into this.

Now, that said, I am still enjoying the arc so far. I liked the way
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It was a nice move and I completely brought into it. I also think it's interesting that we're seeing that Theta actually
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It implies some seriously hard won battles in the past, and also speaks to her seeming extra proficiency in taking on the Predators. Just how much of her is like that?
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Oct 30, 2022, 02:53:18 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Oct 26, 2022, 06:38:01 PMDark horse wasn't perfect, but if they were still handling the comics today, we would have had an "official prequel to Prey" already where feral faced-off against the French fur trappers prior to his encounter with Naru

Yes, that would be far preferable to what we're getting from Marvel.

If our human female protagonist is already established as this nigh-unstoppable Pred-wrecking machine within the first few issues, how is this character and the plot going to develop across the next, say, dozen issues?

If she can repeatedly beat Preds like this over and over again, she's either extremely lucky...or the Preds simply don't pose much of a danger to her. The former is silly from a storytelling perspective and the latter debases the Preds.

It woulda made more sense to follow her long and arduous journey from grieving, orphaned girl to hardcore warrior-woman...like a slow-burn revenge tale, where along the way, we could learn more about Marvel's Pred universe set in the future. What are the forces at play on the human and non-human sides?How did she learn the ropes and grow into an elite operator capable of hunting Preds?

Maybe they'll introduce an "elite" Pred to give her a proper challenge later?So far, this reads like a generic sci-fi setting with a hyper-dominant heroine from the get-go and hapless Preds thrown in as fodder to prop her up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Nov 03, 2022, 01:39:07 AM
Just read issue 4 and enjoyed it. Even though I have some issues with the story, I still find it to be fun and I especially like the way each issue both feels like a complete self contained story while still moving the story forward towards the next issue.

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The Predator that would've killed Theta if not for the company mercs looked like the Enforcer Predator from "Bad Blood" to me. Thoughts?
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Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 03, 2022, 03:41:22 PM
I completely missed #4 was out! Thought I was caught up! Looking forward to having a read.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Nov 03, 2022, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 03, 2022, 03:41:22 PMI completely missed #4 was out! Thought I was caught up! Looking forward to having a read.

Yeah we only had to wait 2 weeks since the last issue. But we'll have to wait 5 weeks for issue 5.

We know that this'll be a 6 issue arc so I'm hoping that the next arc is completely unrelated. I'd really prefer it not taking place in the future.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Engineer on Nov 03, 2022, 06:13:08 PM
QuoteWe know that this'll be a 6 issue arc so I'm hoping that the next arc is completely unrelated. I'd really prefer it not taking place in the future.
Agreed!
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: BishopWantsIt on Nov 03, 2022, 06:42:58 PM
When in a story there is a 'hero' and her 'antagonists' and you are parting for the antagonists, you know something went wrong in the creative department.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Nov 03, 2022, 08:49:25 PM
 
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Nov 03, 2022, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 03, 2022, 03:41:22 PMI completely missed #4 was out! Thought I was caught up! Looking forward to having a read.

Yeah we only had to wait 2 weeks since the last issue. But we'll have to wait 5 weeks for issue 5.

We know that this'll be a 6 issue arc so I'm hoping that the next arc is completely unrelated. I'd really prefer it not taking place in the future.

doubt it will be unrelated. we really don't know how much the writer had backlogged while the lawsuit sorted itself out. Theta is probably our main character for until theres a new writer .

I think a lot of people don't like it cause it doesn't feel as predator as it could maybe its the future setting maybe its theta. maybe it feels like something other then predator like a space series like Star Wars or something. like the predators are just there  maybe if they build one up more it will start feeling more like its there book .  like we don't even have a name for the one theta is hunting  its just the three mandibled predator  theta didn't even think to give it a better name make it more personal having a name
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Nov 04, 2022, 12:19:39 AM
This comic is doing to Predator what AvP did to Alien
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: Xiggz456 on Nov 04, 2022, 01:57:15 PM
Quote from: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Nov 03, 2022, 08:49:25 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Nov 03, 2022, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 03, 2022, 03:41:22 PMI completely missed #4 was out! Thought I was caught up! Looking forward to having a read.

Yeah we only had to wait 2 weeks since the last issue. But we'll have to wait 5 weeks for issue 5.

We know that this'll be a 6 issue arc so I'm hoping that the next arc is completely unrelated. I'd really prefer it not taking place in the future.

doubt it will be unrelated. we really don't know how much the writer had backlogged while the lawsuit sorted itself out. Theta is probably our main character for until theres a new writer .

I think a lot of people don't like it cause it doesn't feel as predator as it could maybe its the future setting maybe its theta. maybe it feels like something other then predator like a space series like Star Wars or something. like the predators are just there  maybe if they build one up more it will start feeling more like its there book .  like we don't even have a name for the one theta is hunting  its just the three mandibled predator  theta didn't even think to give it a better name make it more personal having a name

It's hard to say whether the next arc will be related as we all assumed that Alien was going to be an ongoing series following Cruz and that ended up being its own 6 issue arc with the next one being almost completely unrelated. I'd assume that the writer probably didn't write any additional stories during the lawsuit as that would be a potential waste if the lawsuit had gone differently. Now that the series is four issues deep though I'd assume another arc is in the works so we shall see soon enough whether we continue to follow Theta or get something new.

As for people not liking it, I totally understand why folks wouldn't as this story is tonally not in line with Predator. I'm still finding some enjoyment from the series but it feels unrealistic on several fronts to a pretty high degree. Like it kinda feels like an over the top anime version of Predator to me which is fun but I usually don't have to suspend my disbelief this much for a Predator story.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: happypred on Nov 24, 2022, 03:15:38 AM
Maybe they could jump back in time with the next arc?Not against a future/interstellar setting, but there's been no "world building" to flesh out this new Predator setting. The Preds so far have been getting butchered left and right with little tension. Maybe jump back to show us how Theta grew into such a deadly, hardened warrior.

Imo good Aliens media touches upon some of the  cosmic mystery behind the Aliens. Good Predator media dips, though not too deeply, into Pred culture and sprinkles a few Pred individuals with personality and maybe even growth. At the end of the day, Preds are a bit more like humans than the utterly alien Aliens.

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For example, instead of beating multiple random Preds sequentially, the opening arc could've had Theta matching wits and skills against one Pred...or even a pair/trio...across a multi-issue extended encounter. More flashbacks and internal monologue could be worked in to explain Theta's abilities. Maybe Theta even has an old combat android assisting her, an android who functions as friend and mentor...someone who might actually "die" to build tension. With a tighter focus, the readers learn about Theta, but the Preds also feel more like interesting characters in their own right, and there'd be more stakes.
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These are just ideas I came up with on the fly, but I think there's a lot of wasted potential with Marvel's actual approach.
Title: Re: Marvel's Predator confirmed, launches in June
Post by: TilotnyWorshiper28 on Nov 24, 2022, 04:47:39 PM
I think we might see a change next arc as predator doesn't have a solicitation for February 2023 so there either taking a month off or were getting a announcement of some sort of creative change  (mind you in the Star Wars line  doctor aphra, Vader and Bounty hunters on goings do take a month off so the creative team can recharge ) so it might be nothing