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Looks like an unmade Alien 3 script is being adapted in comic form!
Whoa, that's really damn cool. I haven't purchased any of the recent comics really, but this looks essential.
Blomkamps ALIENS 2? Maybe William Gibson's ALIEN³? Or something different altogether. Either way I'm interested.
Interesting.
YESSSSS. Gibsons script drawn out? f**k yes. It has to be Gibsons script, they are focusing on Bishop in that panel and hes got some kind of funk on the lid.
Probably something like what happened with aliens cm same story just different sub plot or details that "change " alien 3.
I liked alien 3 and hopw they dpnt plan on changing it.
Fan WANKKKKKKKKKKKKK :laugh:
Very interesting
I'm all for a comic. Not a movie.
Sounds good to me I will buy.
This got me curious.
Oh yes Lord! If this is anything like Gibson's script, then at some point down the road there may be a book or an audio drama. I don't even read comics, but by God, if this is Gibson's Alien 3, then I'll be all over this.
Insta-buy from me.
This is wonderful news, im really excited for this.
Gonna be really interesting to say the least!
yet you guys didnt want blomkamps film.......
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Apr 26, 2018, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 26, 2018, 09:33:27 PM
I'm all for a comic. Not a movie.
Precisely this.
I would prefer a novel. But at this point, I'd take a pop-up book over a movie.
Quote from: Adam802 on Apr 26, 2018, 11:11:34 PM
yet you guys didnt want blomkamps film.......
What's the connection here?
And who is "you guys"?
Sales at Dark Horse must be going well for Aliens comics! I love all the content, especially in the absence of another movie. :-
Quote from: Adam802 on Apr 26, 2018, 11:11:34 PM
yet you guys didnt want blomkamps film.......
Yeah i still dont want that film.
I'm all for "what if" comics exploring unmade film scripts though.
Topics seem unrelated.
The condensation on the tube makes me think this will be adapting the Gibson drafts. 8)
I'd love to see alt scripts adapted, but I personally hope this is Blomkamp's film adaptation.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2018, 12:16:58 AM
I'd love to see alt scripts adapted, but I personally hope this is Blomkamp's film adaptation.
I'd want that more, too, but the panels match the first pages of Gibson's scripts pretty well.
I've often wondered why Dark Horse haven't previously adapted draft or alternative scripts from the films - there is an absolute goldmine there that a lot of us fans (and comic book collectors in general) would love.
Fully aware of perhaps the legal barriers involved and perhaps also Fox's strategy in not wanting these out for publication yet the likes of Marvel and DC have literally milked the alternate universe mantra for decades.
I for one can't wait for this alternate Alien 3 series - hopefully the start of others too! I'd kill for an Alien Engineers series.
I hope they kill Newt and Hicks even harder.
Alternate Prometheus or Covenant would be neat to see, as well, but I imagine we're a good number of years from that being possible.
Interesting. Going by the panel showing Bishop something white is dropping onto his tube from above. A damaged droid made its way onto the ship from Hayley's Hope ?
I just hope this isn't erasing Alien 3 or 4.
Is it dripping 'onto' the tube...?
It only drips before it drops. So I'm told. ;) Could it be xeno saliva?
It's condensation on the tube.
...Alternate universe?
Haha... calling it now; "How did the egg get on board the Sulaco?" ..David. 😂
Actually... we're assuming it is the Alien 3 opening based soley on a torn up Bishop and bandaged Hicks... what if this is the 'in-between' story which explains why they end up in a different cryo-room and sets up the egg scene (uses plotholes as a plot basis) 😁
It would be awesome if they did a comic book version of the movie Fincher had intended
Quote from: BetterThanKenobi83 on Apr 27, 2018, 01:30:20 AM
I just hope this isn't erasing Alien 3 or 4.
It's a comic book. It does not possess the ability to erase dvd, film stock, or VHS tapes.
They do this all the time. They did a comic adaption of Harlan Ellison's version of City on the Edge of Forever, and I believe they also did a version of ROBOCOP 2 based on Frank Miller's original script.
If this is the Gibson version, and it looks like, i'm totally stoked. That script, the second draft in particular, is one of my favorite reads.
I'm wondering if they'll draw elements from both drafts.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 27, 2018, 02:34:12 AM
They do this all the time. They did a comic adaption of Harlan Ellison's version of City on the Edge of Forever, and I believe they also did a version of ROBOCOP 2 based on Frank Miller's original script.
Dark Horse also did this for one of George Lucas' Star Wars drafts... The Star Wars.
A comic adaptation of the original script for Alien 3 or Blomkampf´s story for the cancelled film? :o
Finally the same cryotubes from aliens! Always annoyed me seeing completely different ones in alien 3!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 27, 2018, 03:06:11 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 27, 2018, 02:34:12 AM
They do this all the time. They did a comic adaption of Harlan Ellison's version of City on the Edge of Forever, and I believe they also did a version of ROBOCOP 2 based on Frank Miller's original script.
Dark Horse also did this for one of George Lucas' Star Wars drafts... The Star Wars.
^ Yep. Hopefully the start of more alternate drafts of our favourite films to come.
Got wind they were considering this last year, really glad they've followed through. Despite not being a massive fan of either comics or the first draft script I imagine this will be based on, I'm really looking forward to it as a novelty piece.
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Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 27, 2018, 02:34:12 AM
They do this all the time. They did a comic adaption of Harlan Ellison's version of City on the Edge of Forever, and I believe they also did a version of ROBOCOP 2 based on Frank Miller's original script.
Dark Horse also did this for one of George Lucas' Star Wars drafts... The Star Wars.
^ Yep. Hopefully the start of more alternate drafts of our favourite films to come.
They certainly did. And ever since I'd been hoping they'd take a wack at adapting un-made Alien scripts. I'm glad to see some movement on this. It was one of the things I suggested when Fox got in touch last year. I guess the possibility of seeing other scripts will depend on how well this does. There's enough backlog in Alien 3 (and I'm counting Blomkamp's take in there) to do a number of series.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2018, 08:43:01 AMI guess the possibility of seeing other scripts will depend on how well this does. There's enough backlog in Alien 3 (and I'm counting Blomkamp's take in there) to do a number of series.
Yeah, there's at least four different scripts for the third film that are already out there (five if you count Gibson's second draft, but no way can I see them adapting both versions of his story) plus whatever Blomkamp was working on, as well as potentially his initial Ripley-less version, depending how different that was. Then there's Briggs'
AVP and
Alien: Engineers (although as with Gibson's second draft, that might be a bit too similar to the finished film to warrant adapting).
I agree I think this could be an adapt of Gibson's draft (Hopefully the second draft as that would work better I think, the first draft was a bit overloaded)
If it is and it continues an Aline 3 alternate comics, I'd love to see Ward's draft done. Twohy's script is different enough to be a separate story in itself.
Just don't do Red's lol
Noting the colours, this goes after the Aliens colour palette and vibe squarely. I just wish they used black framing instead of white. Anyway, really excited about where this will go.
Sounds interesting. In the same line, they could also do an alternate Aliens.
There's no alternate Aliens for them to adapt.
Or are you thinking more original what-ifs?
Yeah no alt Aliens, but I heard something about alternate Alien Resurrection script - with Arctic Orbital Lift...
Really, really hoping that this is based on a previous script draft and not a "What if?" type deal.
Is this a comic adaptation of the wooden planet script?
That would be good
Then again, it says we don't know what happens next. Maybe it's something new entirely. Maybe it's about the events on the sulaco once Ripley and crew are ejected.
I think that's more a play on it not being the theatrical story.
An intriguing opening panel, which reminds me why I look on Alien3 as merely a hypersleep 'nightmare' which Ripley endures on her journey home after Aliens -
There's the fact that Ripley & co. were seen in totally different-looking cryotubes to the ones they entered at the end of Aliens...as well as seeing a brown Sulaco with white lettering instead of black.
'Creative license' you say? Of course, but it suits the way I prefer to look at Alien3.
Then there's also the matter of the mysterious egg and different 'Newt' actress which helps seal the 'nightmare' scenario for me - I like to think that the 'Newt' seen in Alien3 is Ripley incorporating what her actual daughter 'Amanda' looks like into her 'nightmare'!
And Alien Resurrection is merely another 'nightmare' she had along the way too, of course! :P
Either way, I'm interested to see how this proposed 'continuation' of Aliens pans out.
I'm thinking this will end up being Neill Blomkamp's script treatment for #ALIEN5 and before anyone gets their knickers in a bunch, he's REPEATEDLY said it would NOT impact/ignore/delete Alien 3 or Resurrection from canon. So please don't shit post it! ;D
How can he possibly do this? Clones. The real Ripley was never in Alien 3(and Resurrection it's already established she's a clone).Nuff said about this though.......... ;)
Im pretty sure this won't be Blomkamps script. That script is still fairly recent and if there is even the slightest chance that fox could use that script in any way in the future, they wouldnt let this happen. I have a pretty good feeling this will be one of Gibsons Alien3 drafts.
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Apr 28, 2018, 02:07:20 PMThe real Ripley was never in Alien 3
Huh? Pretty certain that was Signourney Weaver playing Ellen Ripley in every version/format of the film I have ever watched.
If this is Gibson, it will be cool to own a William Gibson credited Aliens graphic novel.
BringbackJonesy!@
Also feels like dream when:
-The Sulaco evacuating the crew withoute waking them up for permission or to try to stop fire before it gets too big.
-Ripley is the only survivor again.
-Bishop knows the company knows what's goin on the Sulaco and he knows the alien was with them all the way and he's not warning them? Then why he say that to Ripley if he was not involved to bring an egg on board?If it was the queen then why didn't he warn them before they go to cryo?
-The queen chest burst from Ripley when she's falling.
I can't wait for this Dark Horse relase to se whats this.
An alternate Alien3 would be great, i.e one that actually doesn't suck hairy monkey balls...
Quote-The Sulaco evacuating the crew withoute waking them up for permission or to try to stop fire before it gets too big.
The fire was in the cryogenic compoartment. Waking the crew to ask permission would've lead to them being burned or exposed them to toxic fumes.
Quote-Bishop knows the company knows what's goin on the Sulaco and he knows the alien was with them all the way and he's not warning them? Then why he say that to Ripley if he was not involved to bring an egg on board?If it was the queen then why didn't he warn them before they go to cryo?
Bishop knew details of what happened to the ship by accessing the flight recorder. He didn't know about an egg or Queen before that.
SM@
Yes Bishop knows from the flight recorder.I haven't seen the movie in years.
But if the Sulaco wake them right at the moment when the facehugger attacking the tube they have time to stop fire and maybe they can take off the hugger from Newt/ Ripley.
There's 20 seconds between the alarms starting and the EEV launch. Considering people generally aren't at their best when waking from hypersleep, they wouldn't be in the best shape to deal with a potentially lethal situation.
I've amended my previous post to add something about the 'Newt' seen in Alien3, which is my default view now. ;D
Those two panels with screens at the bottom of the page don't have their text inserted yet.
Quote from: happypred on Apr 28, 2018, 04:37:10 AMIs this a comic adaptation of the wooden planet script?
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Apr 28, 2018, 02:07:20 PMI'm thinking this will end up being Neill Blomkamp's script treatment for #ALIEN5
No, it's going to be Gibson's story. I'd bet vital parts of my anatomy on the fact.
Not only was that how the idea was first presented when it was suggested by Fox last year, that teaser page, with the obvious condensation inside Bishop's cryotube, ties in perfectly with the opening of Gibson's script.
I'm gonna laugh so hard if this ends up being an adaptation of Aliens: CM.
Lol, please no. :laugh:
I've never read Gibson's script, so I'd love to see it in comic form. I've only heard about it. If it does well, I'd like to see then Ward's Wooden planet in comic form.
Read both versions if you get a chance because Gibson's 2nd draft is pretty different. Not sure which one I prefer...
Ward's wooden planetoid idea would be GREAT to see on the page. I'm hoping whatever this ends up being does really well so we'll get to see the Eric Red version with the weird hybrids and the big blob alien that engulfs everything.
On second thought, just Ward's vision. :D
Red's script might be more palatable in comic form. A more cartoony art style that's self aware of how stupid and silly the script is might be fun.
Can't say I've ever read any of the unused scripts. How does the Gibson script differ from the film?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 30, 2018, 06:05:12 PM
Can't say I've ever read any of the unused scripts. How does the Gibson script differ from the film?
-Hicks and Bishop the lead characters. Newt sent to Earth, Ripley in coma.
-Space commies and genetic experiments with alien DNA
-People transform into aliens, shenanigans ensue
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 30, 2018, 06:05:12 PMCan't say I've ever read any of the unused scripts. How does the Gibson script differ from the film?
It's utterly different. Huge action extravaganza of Marines vs. Aliens on a giant space station, including a new strain of Alien that transforms out of people Thing-style.
He also did a second draft that had only a couple of Aliens in it and was much more horror-focused.
Not to shamelessly self-promote, but... here's the wiki's breakdown of it (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_III_(William_Gibson)) if you're interested.
The second draft is much better and more restrained. If they had have gone forward and made a film I think the second would have been pretty great. They're all available to download from our downloads section.
Personally, I'd love to see adaptations of them - even Red's so I don't mind which particular version of Gibson's this might be. Just really happy it's happening.
Nice! I'm a lot more excited now.
The scene in Gibson's draft (I think both?) of...
Spoiler
"The Change" where the character (forgot who) is like "Hey, did you see all three Captain Americ-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-C-C-C-C-C-AAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!" and then BLAM, hybrid Alien shreds out from under the skin, is too good and will no doubt look really cool illustrated where any budget/FX constrictions are not an issue.
I'm afraid that Dark Horse will adapt the first draft because it has more action. I also seem to recall that the second draft was written precisely because the first draft would have been too expensive to film. That's not really a problem for a comic book though.
I wouldn't mind an adaptation that combines the best of both drafts.
Gibson's second draft is a lot more streamlined and cuts a lot of superfluous stuff out and swaps characters around
Alien 3 and Alien Res were hypersleep dreams? I'm down with that
Quote from: happypred on May 01, 2018, 03:21:30 PMAlien 3 and Alien Res were hypersleep dreams? I'm down with that
No, that's not what this is about.
They're simply adapting one of the alternate
Alien 3 scripts that never got made. It's not supposed to overwrite or write-off anything.
I read the first draft of the Gibson screenplay the other night after seeing this news and it was certainly interesting. There were several things I liked and several I didn't, but I really like the idea of adapting one of those unmade scripts in comic form.
I'll give the second draft a read soon, I'm looking forward to seeing how it compares to the first. If it's more stripped-down and potentially filmable then yeah I'd imagine this will probably be an adaptation of the first draft, since that one is certainly pretty big and action-packed.
For example, I don't want to see an adult alien soldier attacking the UPP commandos in the beginning. They should only find the egg growing out of Bishop's entrails.
Whatever happens, I hope they include the skull under the dome. ;)
I wonder if this will be a mini-series, or released as a complete graphic novel?
The former. And probably also the latter.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 01, 2018, 06:37:32 PM
For example, I don't want to see an adult alien soldier attacking the UPP commandos in the beginning. They should only find the egg growing out of Bishop's entrails.
I'd have to go peak, but didn't that thing have like four arms or something? There was something off about that adult alien.
Hope we get some crazy xeno variants!
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Quote from: Local Trouble on May 01, 2018, 06:37:32 PM
For example, I don't want to see an adult alien soldier attacking the UPP commandos in the beginning. They should only find the egg growing out of Bishop's entrails.
I'd have to go peak, but didn't that thing have like four arms or something? There was something off about that adult alien.
They were attacked by a face hugger, and the guy that was hugged was blown out the airlock... yet somehow two adult aliens were on board the Sulaco when it docked at Anchorpoint.
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 02, 2018, 12:31:29 AM
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For example, I don't want to see an adult alien soldier attacking the UPP commandos in the beginning. They should only find the egg growing out of Bishop's entrails.
I'd have to go peak, but didn't that thing have like four arms or something? There was something off about that adult alien.
They were attacked by a face hugger, and the guy that was hugged was blown out the airlock... yet somehow two adult aliens were on board the Sulaco when it docked at Anchorpoint.
Mum must've taken a couple of kids with her on board the dropship.
"Buckle up kids. We're going for a ride"
;D
Quote from: Prez on May 02, 2018, 02:28:19 AM
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Quote from: Local Trouble on May 01, 2018, 06:37:32 PM
For example, I don't want to see an adult alien soldier attacking the UPP commandos in the beginning. They should only find the egg growing out of Bishop's entrails.
I'd have to go peak, but didn't that thing have like four arms or something? There was something off about that adult alien.
They were attacked by a face hugger, and the guy that was hugged was blown out the airlock... yet somehow two adult aliens were on board the Sulaco when it docked at Anchorpoint.
Mum must've taken a couple of kids with her on board the dropship.
"Buckle up kids. We're going for a ride"
;D
That or David put them there with his epic gag reflex of doom.
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 02, 2018, 04:22:40 AM
That or David put them there with his epic gag reflex of doom.
;D
I know it mostly likely isn't an adaptation of the Vincent Ward script with the wooden planet and the monks, but I would be EXTREMELY interested in seeing that.
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 02, 2018, 12:31:29 AM
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For example, I don't want to see an adult alien soldier attacking the UPP commandos in the beginning. They should only find the egg growing out of Bishop's entrails.
I'd have to go peak, but didn't that thing have like four arms or something? There was something off about that adult alien.
They were attacked by a face hugger, and the guy that was hugged was blown out the airlock... yet somehow two adult aliens were on board the Sulaco when it docked at Anchorpoint.
Something was resolved in the second draft. The guy runs off into the ship instead.
Quote from: necrotard on May 02, 2018, 06:37:49 AMI know it mostly likely isn't an adaptation of the Vincent Ward script with the wooden planet and the monks, but I would be EXTREMELY interested in seeing that.
I started re-reading that last night.
I agree it'd make for a visually stunning comic, but man... The script as a whole is so much worse than I remember.
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Quote from: Local Trouble on May 01, 2018, 06:37:32 PM
For example, I don't want to see an adult alien soldier attacking the UPP commandos in the beginning. They should only find the egg growing out of Bishop's entrails.
I'd have to go peak, but didn't that thing have like four arms or something? There was something off about that adult alien.
They were attacked by a face hugger, and the guy that was hugged was blown out the airlock... yet somehow two adult aliens were on board the Sulaco when it docked at Anchorpoint.
Mum must've taken a couple of kids with her on board the dropship.
"Buckle up kids. We're going for a ride"
;D
That or David put them there with his epic gag reflex of doom.
I think "David's epic gag reflex" should become the answer to all future plot holes.
I am David's epic gag reflex.
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Quote from: necrotard on May 02, 2018, 06:37:49 AMI know it mostly likely isn't an adaptation of the Vincent Ward script with the wooden planet and the monks, but I would be EXTREMELY interested in seeing that.
I started re-reading that last night.
I agree it'd make for a visually stunning comic, but man... The script as a whole is so much worse than I remember.
I admit I haven't read it, I've just read broad descriptions.
Quote from: necrotard on May 02, 2018, 12:59:33 PMI admit I haven't read it, I've just read broad descriptions.
As I say, the visual aspect of it would be stunning. Pretty nonsensical, but stunning.
But when you actually get down to the plot, characters and dialogue, it surprised me with how bad it actually is. Far worse than I remember.
The Wooden Planet script is basically Ripley hallucinating, sitting in a cell, and wandering corridors while the interesting stuff happens when elsewhere, mostly off screen. And the Android who appears in it won't stop chattering about bread. :laugh:
Definitely going to be buying this on it's release :)
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For example, I don't want to see an adult alien soldier attacking the UPP commandos in the beginning. They should only find the egg growing out of Bishop's entrails.
I'd have to go peak, but didn't that thing have like four arms or something? There was something off about that adult alien.
They were attacked by a face hugger, and the guy that was hugged was blown out the airlock... yet somehow two adult aliens were on board the Sulaco when it docked at Anchorpoint.
But that makes no sense.
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 02, 2018, 02:41:53 PM
The Wooden Planet script is basically Ripley hallucinating, sitting 8n a cell, and wandering corridors while the interesting stuff happens when elsewhere, mostly off screen. And the Android who appears in it won't stop chattering about bread. :laugh:
Hahahahaha
It's Alien 3, LT.
I just now noticed that Giler and Hill are given the story credit in those scripts, even though the screenplays were written by Gibson.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-3-william-gibson-1987.pdf
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-3-william-gibson-1988-01.pdf
I used to think they were all Gibson.
The concept of the 'cold war' in space and the further desire of the company to weaponise and experiment on the creature was the premise that Giler and Hill wanted if I'm remembering right. Gibson based his story off this concept.
It's probably the same deal as Aliens. They said 'Aliens vs. Hicks vs. space commies. Go.' and the rest was Gibson.
Not taking any chances with the WGA after Alien.
But not all of the Alien 3 scripts give them story credit. Nor did Aliens.
I believe Gibson was working off a treatment by Giler and Hill. I'll need to check my copy of Tales from Development Hell when I get home.
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For example, I don't want to see an adult alien soldier attacking the UPP commandos in the beginning. They should only find the egg growing out of Bishop's entrails.
I'd have to go peak, but didn't that thing have like four arms or something? There was something off about that adult alien.
They were attacked by a face hugger, and the guy that was hugged was blown out the airlock... yet somehow two adult aliens were on board the Sulaco when it docked at Anchorpoint.
But that makes no sense.
Nope. They're just there.
If there's already this much back and forth fan theorising and debating about whether there was one facehugger or two in the beginning of Alien 3 can you imagine how much there would have been about where those two adults came from if that first draft had actually gotten made? :laugh:
I think the two drafts both have their strengths and weaknesses. The first draft is a tad too insane, while the second is scaled back a bit too much. Hicks and co. are still acting like there's a big alien zombie apocalypse going on, even though there's only one alien that they know about, and they even spend a good chunk of the third act thinking it's dead.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 03, 2018, 11:19:44 AMBut that makes no sense.
Nope :)
It's weird, Gibson was basically the
only writer who attempted to explain how there can believably be Aliens on the Sulaco after the second film - by having some goo the Queen stuck in Bishop when she impaled him develop into an egg... and then he went and stuck in a couple of magic adults for the lulz.
He fixed it in his second draft by just having the egg, but still. Amazing how he, Red and Ward - and then the shooting script - all had Aliens running amuck on the Sulaco without any explanation.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 03, 2018, 11:31:01 AMI just now noticed that Giler and Hill are given the story credit in those scripts, even though the screenplays were written by Gibson.
As Kiramid says, I believe Gibson worked from a loose framework given to him by the producers.
Yeah from what Ive read Giler (#F**kGiler) and Hill gave Gibson a small treatment and were hoping he'd give them a sprawling script from which they could just take stuff out and make their version. But he gave them a proper script and story so they were stuck
and then the hell began because Giler's a prick lol
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 04, 2018, 07:29:41 AM
It's weird, Gibson was basically the only writer who attempted to explain how there can believably be Aliens on the Sulaco after the second film - by having some goo the Queen stuck in Bishop when she impaled him develop into an egg... and then he went and stuck in a couple of magic adults for the lulz.
It's particularly jarring when you look at the way Cameron basically went out of his way to line his movie up with Ridley's.
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 03, 2018, 07:17:57 PM
I think the two drafts both have their strengths and weaknesses. The first draft is a tad too insane, while the second is scaled back a bit too much. Hicks and co. are still acting like there's a big alien zombie apocalypse going on, even though there's only one alien that they know about, and they even spend a good chunk of the third act thinking it's dead.
Having now read the second draft I'd agree with that. In the first it makes sense why they go to Defcon 1 so quickly once shit hits the fan whereas in the second draft it feels a bit too much like they're still reacting to those original events rather than the revised version. Had it gotten to a third draft things might have evened out a bit more.
I do like the scale of the first draft compared to the second, certainly in terms of the Anchorpoint station itself. In the first one it houses hundreds of people and has big malls and social spaces and stuff, whereas in the second it seems like the only people on board are the ones we meet in the story. Hopefully it's the first draft that's being adapted here if only for the scale and the insanity, since as you say, the second one is definitely a lot more toned-down. I still don't really like the idea behind the "New Beast", but as a crazy "what if?" comic I say go nuts. :laugh:
After Aliens I think there was a good opportunity to do a story about humanity stumbling upon another remnant of the space jockey's civilization. Ripley could have been brought in or left out. Have Hicks working with the uscm to quarantine the situation before companies like WY try get there hands on specimens or Jockey tech.
That probably sounds crappy but i would have prefered a direction like that after Aliens. Explore more of the jockeys civilation as designed by Giger. Leave them mysterious and wiped out.
As much as I enjoy the prequels, its not the direction i would have gone with the back story to the original space jockey from Alien.
Interestingly enough I think Metroid, in it's original trilogy, handled the Chozo the way I would have handled the Jockey. The only remnants left of the Chozo were the Metroids and their Biomechanoid guardians the Torizo.
Yeah, I don't think I really ever wanted to see a live Space Jockey, especially after we got one in the comics. A depiction of the bizarre ruins of their ancient and unfathomably advanced civilization would have been far more preferable to me.
The comics had these angry Hulk smash Engineers
Just imagine something along the lines of a Jockey-Guardian. Some kind of a semi-sentient biomechanoid robot that get's turned like a security system. So the humans are dealing with an alien, but also this thing that's on the look out for alien and human alike.
This thread has me thinking that SM made some phone calls.
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Dark Horse could make a nice little series out of adapting all the unused scripts for Alien 3.
I'd say get tweeting them but I never see them respond to anything. :laugh:
Don't you have some influence? Maybe SM could make some calls.
Haven't read annything yet on tthis but sounds great! Nice initiative by Dark Horse, will pre order any TPB that gets released on Amazon.
Yes, hopefully this means DH is getting their heads out of their creative ruts
What rut is that?
Oh you know. Listless stories that go nowhere. They can hardly be blamed though. Fox puts too many limits on them for them to truly explore their own space. Fire and stone was an example. I get it. I don't like it.
Dunno what you mean by stories not going anywhere.
No sign of this for November release. :'(
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 21, 2018, 07:21:55 AM
No sign of this for November release. :'(
Damn. I've been waiting for news of this release. I'll stick it on my Forbidden Planet order just as soon as the pre-order goes live.
Hopefully it's not getting delayed by any rights shenanigans and they're simply taking their time to finish it.
Weren't they supposed to announce more info in July?
Something feels wrong...
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 21, 2018, 07:47:58 PM
Weren't they supposed to announce more info in July?
We've still got another month to go. If we're learning about it in the July solicitations I'm expecting a December release date.
I want an adaptation of Gibson's script with art by Denis Beauvais.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2018, 02:17:03 PM
I want an adaptation of Gibson's script with art by Denis Beauvais.
Now that would be perfect. Although I think he could do wonders for the Ward draft as well
He could do wonders for just about any story.
Except Eric Red's, because f*ck that script.
I dunno...I'd kinda like to see the Alien spacestation....
Don't forget the Mosquito-Alien and Chicken-Aliens.
Tell me you don't want to see those!
Cant wait to get some news on this.
If only Steve Dillon were still alive. His absurd at time character designs would be perfect for Red's script. :laugh:
Look mannnn I just wanna know one thing...when is this comic getting announced
Hopefully soon. The Fox/Disney deal went a lot faster than I was expecting.
I hope this opens with Hicks and Newt dying instantaneously in a new way, explosive decompression perhaps.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 04, 2018, 07:26:19 PM
I hope this opens with Hicks and Newt dying instantaneously in a new way, explosive decompression perhaps.
Well, perhaps Ripley left a banana peel on the floor before going under. Hicks wakes up for his mid-journey pee, slips on the banana, knocks his head on Newts cryo-tube console, and thus accidentally activates the biohazard containment protocols therein.
What if every mission had a company WY mothership type of ship waiting in the mist a few light years away and they kept intercepting the missions for experimenting. With the caltives rerouted to someone like Dr. Crespi or was it Creepy, from Aliens Labyrinth. Perhaps one should intercept David in the Alien Covenant sequel.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jul 11, 2018, 03:37:47 AM
What if every mission had a company WY mothership type of ship waiting in the mist a few light years away and they kept intercepting the missions for experimenting. With the caltives rerouted to someone like Dr. Crespi or was it Creepy, from Aliens Labyrinth. Perhaps one should intercept David in the Alien Covenant sequel.
It seems logical that David never succeeded in his overall plans. As earth can be seen to be safe and sound in Aliens 86, and even resurrection has human beings in it who make no mention of earth being anything but a shitehole, This was all quite a many years after Covenant. So something or someone must've gotten to him. I doubt he took up crocheting on Origea 6 and just never looked back.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jul 11, 2018, 03:37:47 AM
What if every mission had a company WY mothership type of ship waiting in the mist a few light years away and they kept intercepting the missions for experimenting. With the caltives rerouted to someone like Dr. Crespi or was it Creepy, from Aliens Labyrinth. Perhaps one should intercept David in the Alien Covenant sequel.
What would be the point when they all have a clause in their contract saying they have to investigate ET signals, thus potentially exposing them to all sorts of nasties.
For real what I actually hope this comic is:
At the end of the Dust to Dust paperback.
They wake up from their cryotubes, have a meal, no speech bubbles, just nice art and then Hicks looks at the row of cryotubes and sighs- visibly upset he turns around with the other two and walks to the opposite side of the room. They then get into the Alien-style cryotubes. As the hatches seal, a notification pops up on a nearby CRT-style console;
FOREIGN LIFEFORMS(S) DETECTED.
???
You read it, I thought it was clear.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fepicroadtrips.us%2F2006%2Fwinter%2Fmanatee_springs_state_park%2Falien%2Fscreens10%2Falien_253.JPG&hash=39f0524290674f56cead50b595b3a61d621d4eea)
"Bullshit!"
Bulwark Alien³, priority one, all other priorities rescinded.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 11, 2018, 04:37:56 AM
Bulwark Alien³, priority one, all other priorities rescinded.
Prequels Expendable.
I can't lie to you about series canon, but... You have my sympathies. :)
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 11, 2018, 04:17:35 AM
You read it, I thought it was clear.
SM's freaking out again lol.
Just trying to piece together and make sense of this shithole plot of an Alien 3 and that book with Ripley that was written between the Alien and Aliens timelines. Good luck explaining this shitline.
wut and wut?
I'm gonna guess whatever DH has going on here...ain't exactly approved by Congress?
Quote from: SM on Jul 11, 2018, 04:24:51 AM
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"Bullshit!"
"Right"
Quote from: SM on Jul 11, 2018, 04:24:51 AM
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"Bullshit!"
Lol
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Quote from: SM on Jul 11, 2018, 04:24:51 AM
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"Bullshit!"
"Right"
(https://media.giphy.com/media/tYy9HhZ7iisFO/giphy.gif)
I never get tired of that scene :laugh:
https://www.cbr.com/william-gibson-alien-3-comic-book-series/
I knew it!! Awesome!
I am super hyped for this.
Oh yes.
Notice how it's got the tag 'Fox Uncovered'
If this does well perhaps we get more in this vain
Sweeeeeeeeeet
Art looks great too, this is going to be really sweet.
Holy moly, that looks great. Look at that egg on Bishop.
Awesome! Can't wait to read them!
Really looking forward to this... :)
...Yes.
YES.
Oh goodness will they just leave Alien 3 alone?
It's Canon, Hicks and Ripley die, end of story.
Besides, it's more respectful to the original '79 movie than Aliens was, even Giger said it was better.
I knew it! I just knew it! This was my favorite script. I'm not a comic guy, but I hope this inspires the studio to consider moving the film series in this direction. This is the way to go. An actual Alien story. Not "the mad thespian of planet flintstone".
Fantastic news!
Absolutely gorgeous art, I haven't read the entirety of the William Gibson script so I hope the story matches.
Quote from: DarthWall275 on Jul 12, 2018, 05:29:18 PM
Oh goodness will they just leave Alien 3 alone?
It's Canon, Hicks and Ripley die, end of story.
Besides, it's more respectful to the original '79 movie than Aliens was, even Giger said it was better.
Unbunch your panties, Alien 3 isn't going anywhere (regrettably). What's the harm in those of us who hated the film having an alternative version?
I loved Alien 3 from the first go, I'd only remove the music on the rape attempt.
But I am really interested in this version. I'll hold out till the TPB hits though.
Look, I'm a staunch defender of A3, it gets crap it doesn't deserve and for a motion picture to retconn it would needlessly add nothing to the franchise and land us in the same place as Star Wars is inhabiting now. The land of dressing up nostalgia and calling it bold and new, the land of no creativity.
That being said, this comic looks fantastic- it has gorgeous art and more surprising- a really beautiful sense of style, juxtaposition, light and shadow etc
I look forward to it, just hope it doesn't take a year or more for the paperback.
Hmm, interesting top see this alternative version of Alien3 asa comic. Oh by the way did you hear that Neill Blomkamp is set to Direct RoboCop Returns. Where he was unable to do an alternative Alien sequel he's instead doing an alternative sequel to RoboCop.
Why is the UPP interceptor basically identical to a USCM dropship? :-\
That is extremely disappointing, perhaps at the current time it's a placeholder but otherwise we've seen similar things happen before where an avenue of creativity has simply been ignored.
It's not unprecedented in real life since the old USSR stole our designs all the time. I was hoping for a space MiG or something like a Hind though. :-\
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2018, 06:26:51 PM
It's not unprecedented in real life since the old USSR stole our designs all the time. I was hoping for a space MiG or something like a Hind though. :-\
Something like a space hind would have been cool.
I am so freaking excited to see this announced!!! ;D Words cannot adequately describe my excitement! Really can't wait to see more of this.
Quote from: DarthWall275 on Jul 12, 2018, 05:29:18 PM
Oh goodness will they just leave Alien 3 alone?
It's Canon, Hicks and Ripley die, end of story.
Besides, it's more respectful to the original '79 movie than Aliens was, even Giger said it was better.
It's just a fun alternate tale, like The Star Wars.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2018, 06:15:19 PM
Why is the UPP interceptor basically identical to a USCM dropship? :-\
I did raise an eyebrow but it's not a huge thing. Personally, I envisioned something more like a Broadsword from Halo.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2018, 06:26:51 PM
It's not unprecedented in real life since the old USSR stole our designs all the time. I was hoping for a space MiG or something like a Hind though. :-\
Ever seen the Russian Space Shuttle? I read somewhere that their's had been based on stolen plans of the US'.
If this works out, I wonder what the odds are that we will see Ward's vision someday?
If we show an interest in these kind of series, makes sense that Fox/Dark Horse would be willing to do more.
Never cared about comics, but this one sounds interesting
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2018, 07:08:50 PM
If this works out, I wonder what the odds are that we will see Ward's vision someday?
Yeah, would be interested to see that too. Not really into Red's script though...
I know that script is insane but damn if I don't want to see some of that insanity visualized.
I'm pleased to see some influence from the second draft in those pages.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 12, 2018, 07:50:36 PM
I'm pleased to see some influence from the second draft in those pages.
Yep, the opening seemed based off the second draft. Dem wrist-mounted smartguns! :P
This run is going to be 5 issues btw.
I imagined those guns as being a lot bigger, considering Hicks could barely carry the one after a while.
would be really neat if Dark Horse started putting out more unreleased Alien film scripts into comic format! I think Alien: Engineers (or Alien: Origins whatever you wanna call it) and Alien 5 would be ripe for this sort of treatment! :D
cant wait to pre order en masse too ;)
Wow! Great!
DorkiDori
Alien: Engineers, Alien: Covenant (with brutal biomechanical Engineers city). And don't forget about Alien Earthbound (alt Alien Ressurection). So much materials for comics.
A3 is my 2nd favourite in the series, right behind the original, but this comic excites me. Definitely gonna wait for the TPB, though... I've waited this long to read the script, I can go a little longer!
I love Alien3 and didnt want to see it retconned in the films.
However this is amazing and a wonderful idea for future aliens comics. I would love more unused scripts turned into graphic novels.. I know a lot of fans of the comics have wanted something like this for a long time.
Also for everyone saying they will wait for the TPB, please dont. Get the single issues and we may see more ideas like this in the future. The success of these series are gauged more on the sales of single issues. So get the singles and when the tpb come out you can give someone your singles and you could maybe help create another fan. :)
I found the Gibson drafts, the first one particularly, not the greatest reads.
I read the first three issues scripts for this some time ago (oops, I dropped something) and they really sucked me in. And I don't think Christmas has actually changed anything. They just flow better. Seeing a legit - if alternate - Hicks in action again should be sweet.
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 12, 2018, 07:50:36 PM
I'm pleased to see some influence from the second draft in those pages.
Yep, the opening seemed based off the second draft. Dem wrist-mounted smartguns! :P
This run is going to be 5 issues btw.
5 issues will male for a great fancy pants. Could include the actual script as an extra.
The Fancy that Dark Horse released for the Star Wars Original script adaptation was beautiful.
Quote from: SM on Jul 12, 2018, 09:59:52 PM
I found the Gibson drafts, the first one particularly, not the greatest reads.
I read the first three issues scripts for this some time ago (oops, I dropped something) and they really sucked me in. And I don't think Christmas has actually changed anything. They just flow better. Seeing a legit - if alternate - Hicks in action again should be sweet.
Can you tell us which draft it's based on?
No.
Really exciting! It's going to be great to see Hicks in action again!
Curiously, it seems the issue of using Michael Biehn's likeness (or other actors' likenesses) hasn't prevented this series from happening. I hope this bodes well for a TPB compilation of the original Alien 3 comic series. I really liked that one.
If I had to take a guess i'd bet they blended things from both drafts.
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No.
https://i.imgur.com/wPq09rO.gif
So that's what David did to the colonists eh? Poor souls, they're morphing.
And to quote Hudson
"F**ken ay!'
Can't wait for this. Artwork looks superb. I think I'll add buying the single issues as well as my normal TPB purchase on this one (hopefully a nice big hardback edition).
Same, and i'm not a huuuge comic collector. I have a couple of the "greats" like the AVP in TPB, Bad Blood, Predator Fire and Stone, The Mondo comics, and (of course) Labyrinth.
I have almost every released edition of every alien, predator, and AvP comic and TPB. ;D
I am missing some single issues and a few of the UK aliens magazines.
Is anyone else glad that we're finally getting a canon sequel to Aliens? ;D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2018, 01:24:07 AM
Is anyone else glad that we're finally getting a canon sequel to Aliens? ;D
Indeed! It's a great time to be an ALIENS fan.
I hate you both. lol
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 13, 2018, 02:43:55 AM
I hate you both. lol
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It would be funny if Fincher publicly got behind this. :laugh:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2018, 01:24:07 AM
Is anyone else glad that we're finally getting a canon sequel to Aliens? ;D
We already had one. ;) But I see what you're saying and I agree. Gibson's script was the logical and appropriate narrative direction for the franchise, as of that time. It is too much to hope for an eventual novelization though. I just can't get into comics the way I can novels.
You know, the original Dark Horse series by Mark Verheiden could very easily be adapted as a sequel to this comic...
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 13, 2018, 03:00:32 AM
It would be funny if Fincher publicly got behind this. :laugh:
Indeed it would. At this point, the word Alien may induce some kind of attack for Fincher, all by itself. The poor man.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 13, 2018, 03:06:51 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2018, 01:24:07 AM
Is anyone else glad that we're finally getting a canon sequel to Aliens? ;D
We already had one. ;)
Yeah, Colonial Marines. ;)
Oh by the way a scan of a junko toy has revealed the Predator dog for The Predator http://www.scified.com/u/FB_IMG_1531451954828.jpg
Thanks XENOMORPHOSIS. We're already on it. :)
Quote from: SM on Jul 12, 2018, 09:59:52 PM
I found the Gibson drafts, the first one particularly, not the greatest reads.
I read the first three issues scripts for this some time ago (oops, I dropped something) and they really sucked me in. And I don't think Christmas has actually changed anything. They just flow better. Seeing a legit - if alternate - Hicks in action again should be sweet.
Personally, I really enjoyed the second. The first was madness but I think the second was actually the best of the other Alien 3 scripts we got and one I really enjoyed. That said, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the scripts so much! It's gonna be great to see Hicks on the page again!
The waiting is the hardest part.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2018, 03:08:46 AM
You know, the original Dark Horse series by Mark Verheiden could very easily be adapted as a sequel to this comic...
Does it follow Gibsons plot then?
Quote from: SM on Jul 12, 2018, 09:59:52 PMI read the first three issues scripts for this some time ago (oops, I dropped something) and they really sucked me in. And I don't think Christmas has actually changed anything. They just flow better.
Noice.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 13, 2018, 07:53:20 AMPersonally, I really enjoyed the second. The first was madness but I think the second was actually the best of the other Alien 3 scripts we got and one I really enjoyed.
Yeah, I much prefer the toned-down second draft. The first is simply too over-the-top. It's
Aliens dialled up to 11 with none of the finesse.
That said, I can't help but feel all that excess will be really well-suited to a comic.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 13, 2018, 08:17:03 AM
That said, I can't help but feel all that excess will be really well-suited to a comic.
I had the same though. Which is why I'm really curious about the idea of series' based on Red or Ward's scripts too. But I'd also like a genuinely good series soooo...I'm expecting we might end up with a blend of the two.
Finally :D Have They revealed which draft they've done or they keeping that as a surprise?
The opening is from the second draft.
Released in November?! How long am I going to have to wait for the collected edition? :'(
Quote from: Thanatos ZHE on Jul 13, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
Released in November?! How long am I going to have to wait for the collected edition? :'(
Probably next year sometime sadly :'(
You should just buy the single issues to get you through until then. ;)
That was my plan, I did that with the Life and Death books
Quote from: Thanatos ZHE on Jul 13, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
Released in November?! How long am I going to have to wait for the collected edition? :'(
I'd expect May/June time.
Do you suppose that Dark Horse could also adapt Eric Red's Alien 3, David Twohy's Alien 3 and Vincent Ward's Alien 3 into comics?
I cannot speak for Dark Horse, but I can speak for their business logic. If you buy all the single issues and the TPB, and a high number of people do the same, leading to reprints, then there is a clear indication of a demand for these sort of alternate script adaptations. If that is the case, then the likelihood of other alternate scripts being adapted increases accordingly.
They should do the Red draft, only drawn with crayons.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 13, 2018, 01:26:47 PM
You should just but the single issues to get you through until then. ;)
Single issues are really hard to find here in the Netherlands while I could just order TPB's. And they look nicer on my shelves too. Which I'm running out of.
There's no question that TPBs are the neatly organized choice, but the sale of the single issues really funds the project.
Thats why i always buy both if possible. I want to see more of this stuff get made, so its in my best interest to do so.
Was the "Puta Madre" quote in the script? That is not Russian, hehe. But maybe the UPP was not specifically Russian.
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 13, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
Was the "Puta Madre" quote in the script? That is not Russian, hehe. But maybe the UPP was not specifically Russian.
It seemed to be a mixture of South America, Chinese, and Russian. All the classic 80s badguys in a mighty space empire.
The script dated pretty quick when the Soviet Union collapsed like 6 months later. Still fun as a comic years later of course.
If this does well, I personally would like to see an adaptation of the Alien:Engineers Script next as opposed to another Alien 3 script.
Agreed on that.
YES ^
There is a veritable gold mine of material to be explored if alternative scripts are being explored and even more if completely alternate reality stories are permitted.
I'd wet myself at a series based on Blomkamp's film, as well.
Could you not?
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 13, 2018, 08:03:28 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2018, 03:08:46 AM
You know, the original Dark Horse series by Mark Verheiden could very easily be adapted as a sequel to this comic...
Does it follow Gibsons plot then?
No, but it doesn't necessarily conflict with it either. The original series could easily be modified to accommodate "the Anchorpoint incident" without a major rewrite of the adventures of Hix & Noot.
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 13, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
Was the "Puta Madre" quote in the script? That is not Russian, hehe. But maybe the UPP was not specifically Russian.
They were a commando squad consisting of Russian, Vietnamese and
Cuban commies. Supposedly, the UPP is a global bloc of anti-corporatist nations (a concept which could still work in the future of the Alienverse, IMO).
Quote from: Russ840 on Jul 13, 2018, 06:23:04 PM
I'd wet myself at a series based on Blomkamp's film, as well.
Yup, new underwear would be required for me too...
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 13, 2018, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Jul 13, 2018, 06:23:04 PM
I'd wet myself at a series based on Blomkamp's film, as well.
Yup, new underwear would be required for me too...
Imagine getting Blomkamp to do the art and writing for the book.
The beauty of this comic is that it could easily dovetail into whatever story Blomkamp wanted to tell as well. It's perfect for setting up a myriad of sequel possibilities.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2018, 07:32:54 PM
The beauty of this comic is that it could easily dovetail into whatever story Blomkamp wanted to tell as well. It's perfect for setting up a myriad of sequel possibilities.
Just a thought: being able to keep them apart. It helps. No rethreads, no rewrites, just a seperate storyline.
I'd like to see Twohy's script adapted, provided they rework the third act into something less underwhelming.
REALLY interested in reading this, it would be nice it they do it for the other scripts to see which Alien 3 would have been better.
I'd love to see some alt-Prometheus scripts done this way. Heck I'd love to see Prometheus done as a comic.
I've also read some alt Alien material. That may be cool to see adapted into comic form.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jul 12, 2018, 06:43:59 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2018, 06:26:51 PM
It's not unprecedented in real life since the old USSR stole our designs all the time. I was hoping for a space MiG or something like a Hind though. :-\
Something like a space hind would have been cool.
That's one of the reasons that the LAAT (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Low_Altitude_Assault_Transport) from the Star Wars prequels was one of the few vehicle designs I actually liked from that era.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 13, 2018, 09:54:29 PM
I'd like to see Twohy's script adapted, provided they rework the third act into something less underwhelming.
The alien fight and everything leading to it was great. I loved twohy's script, especially the first Alien wreaking havoc. You can tell he recycled the prison for Chronicles of Riddick. The alien that was melting through walls would've been wild to see.
The Cold Forge by Alex White would make a comic that rivals Labyrinth if done right.
I hope this does very well so we see all these scripts and the few original novels being adapted to comic form eventually.
Yes, I agree. Thinking about this has just given me a new way of looking at the Alien series. Many have been arguing about what is canon and what is not canon. Should Alien films be retconned or not? I propose to just let it go and accept the Alien series as an exploration of alternate possibilities. None of which would be intended to be more valid or real than the other. It's fiction! I think that the core kernel of the series is Alien and possibly Aliens, and then as time goes by it would be awesome to see different takes on not just where those films' stories could continue, but also completely different interpretations of what the aliens and the space jockeys are.
This way, Alien 3 is valid, Blomkamp's film is valid, Gibson's script is valid, etc...
Seeing as how this is not some purely original endeavor, but an actual unused movie script for the franchise, I'm mostly interested to see what (if any) effect this will have on the future of the films. Most likely, the effects will be negligible. But I'm hoping somebody in a decent position will be paying attention, should this receive a positive reception. It's time Hollywood got back to making actual Alien films again.
Don't get me wrong, I've come to appreciate the prequels quite a bit. Yes, even covenant for what it tried to be. But the 5-7 year wait for these kind of films is just too long a time span to waste on underwhelming products that can't quite figure out where they were going in the first place.
Make Space Commies Great Again.
Seriously - it's a comic book based on a very old script that was almost instantly outdated.
Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2018, 02:07:04 AM
Make Space Commies Great Again.
Seriously - it's a comic book based on a very old script that was almost instantly outdated.
Haha true but Russia is currently back in the fore front of shady shit in the world. So it's somewhat fitting to use this script now.
The probability that we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past is probably fairly high.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 15, 2018, 03:29:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2018, 02:07:04 AM
Make Space Commies Great Again.
Seriously - it's a comic book based on a very old script that was almost instantly outdated.
Haha true but Russia is currently back in the fore front of shady shit in the world. So it's somewhat fitting to use this script now.
I don't think they ever stopped. ;D
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 15, 2018, 05:04:16 AM
The probability that we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past is probably fairly high.
The Cold War went far better than any intellectuals and academics expected. The constant unrelenting fear of total annihilation, which we somehow managed to avoid and beat the odds. I can only hope we repeat those mistakes that kept us alive.
As to whether it was instantly dated or not... I mean... This is the Alien franchise. All three of the original films are of their time. James Cameron laughs at the USCM tech remarking "we thought we were being so high tech." Even though, to give the film some credit the idea of using computers to operate robotic sentries is actually very
of the now. And of course in Alien 3 the phrase "terminal with audio capabilities" makes me laugh a little every time.
It's actually one of the things I love about the original films. Big bulky old school analog technology. There's something really satisfying and meaty about it.
Peter Briggs' AVP would be neat to see as a comic (especially if he can remember what was different in the second draft :laugh:) Might be a bit too similar to the first AVP series though.
Yeah that would be interesting.
I would choose Blomkamps sequel and Alien Engineers first though
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 15, 2018, 09:43:46 AM
Peter Briggs' AVP would be neat to see as a comic (especially if he can remember what was different in the second draft :laugh:) Might be a bit too similar to the first AVP series though.
A comic based on a script that was based on a comic.
Lort, what have we done.
Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2018, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 15, 2018, 09:43:46 AM
Peter Briggs' AVP would be neat to see as a comic (especially if he can remember what was different in the second draft :laugh:) Might be a bit too similar to the first AVP series though.
A comic based on a script that was based on a comic.
Briggs managed to alter quite a few things. I've read it about ten years ago, should read it again, but there where more suspenseful scenes as I remember...
Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2018, 10:52:46 AMA comic based on a script that was based on a comic.
Kinda like
Street Fighter - they made a video game based on the movie which was based on the original game.
Briggs' script is actually very different to the comic. The setting is a jungle canopy with lot's of swamp, instead of the dry desert. The characters have almost completely different roles except for Machiko. The interactions between Alien and Predator are all completely different. The relationship between Broken Tusk and Machiko, though ultimately the same, is setup and plays out very differently until the end. There is one description in the script that basically says the aliens are using all the wild life to generate new variations we've never seen before. The entire young queen being born in the hive... Lot's of shit.
In my Oasis project I actually lifted some of the redneck stuff. I love when science fiction mixes in a bit of that southern flavor. Ties in nicely with the frontiersmen spirit of space.
As to Vincent Ward's script, it already has a (partially finished) graphic story on his website:
http://vincentwardfilms.com/project/concepts/alien-3/graphic-novel-in-8-parts/part-1/
I hope that get's finished someday, the art is beautiful. Very evocative of the religious imagery that no doubt inspired Ward's direction.
I know, everybody thinks the wooden planet is bat shit, but I think if Ward had been given a chance to actually see that project through to the end it would have been a far more special piece than what we ultimately got, which was choice cuts from his story with the more conventional "prison planet" grafted into place.
By no means would it have been a mainstream hit. Hell no. I think Fox pretty much knew that it had doomed the project.
Gibson's Alien III was the most sensible of all the proposals. For me the idea of seeing all the Soviet-inspired space stuff would have been so much fun. It's one of things I love about 2010, seeing that big ol' industrial space ship. Or seeing Cherno in Pacific Rim. Something about that Cold War inspired imagery is just really fun.
Not to mention, thematically, it's doing what a natural progression from Alien and Aliens should be doing. Expanding on the themes and narrative threads. This isn't just one corporation being greedy, this is an interstellar cold war. This isn't just about Ripley, this is about the whole of the human race now being put on the line.
Plus, the original Alien is still there, and it has one of my favorite reveals in any of the old scripts. Hiding amidst a piece of machinery, blending in, unseen, until it stirs...
2010?
The sequel to 2001
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 15, 2018, 02:23:38 PM
2010?
The Leonov from 2010. :)
Now that would have been a helluva pairing. Hyams directing Gibson's script...
He could have gotten Connery to play Rosetti. 8)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 15, 2018, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 15, 2018, 02:23:38 PM
2010?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibf-6O3uU6Q
The Leonov from 2010. :)
Now that would have been a helluva pairing. Hyams directing Gibson's script...
Great film - forever in it's predecessor's shadow but an enjoyable film nonetheless.
I'd want a ship like this in an Alien film.
Honestly the Ishimura would fit right in alongside the Auriga.
Only with an interior that's more than one hallway lol.
I wonder if they'll retcon the UPP into the Union of Putin's Peoples.
Maybe they'll tie it in to Infestation, since that features the UPP.
I'm not sure how that would work.
Gibson's script says the Sulaco left Gateway four years earlier. Infestation happens a few weeks after Aliens.
Is the comic sticking with that four years nonsense?
Could be 200 :P
It's all inconsequential anyway.
Please tell me that you told them about the discrepancy when you were given the first three issues' scripts to read.
Like Dr. Evil's childhood?
I don't see how that's a discrepancy?
It isn't.
Why would the Sulaco take four years to return to Earth?
COMPUTER
Attention. Due to failure of navigational
circuitry, Sulaco has entered a sector claimed
by the Union of Progressive Peoples.
And it was returning to Earth when that happened. Are we to believe that it was lost in space for four years before it reached Anchorpoint?
It doesn't really matter.
Since you can't say one way or another because you relish torturing me, I'm guessing that the comic scripts simply omitted the four years line.
I thought it was supposed to take a long time to space travel in the Alien universe. Hence the glass coffins.
SM says three weeks. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49604.msg1819199#msg1819199)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2018, 01:39:45 AM
Since you can't say one way or another because you relish torturing me, I'm guessing that the comic scripts simply omitted the four years line.
You seem unusually hung up on an adaptation of a script draft for a film that never got made and therefore isn't part of the canon - conforming to the canon.
Yes, I want it to at least conform to what came before (as any sequel to Aliens should). At least this version explains the egg.
Navigational failure leads to a four year drift. I just don't see the problem. I actually like that it bothers to give us a time differential, because Alien 3 doesn't bother to indicate how much time has supposedly passed. Evidently it was supposed to be immediately following on from Aliens, but it would have been nice to have established that, especially since the Sulaco somehow drifted into close proximity of Fury 161.
Ripley's shuttle drifted for 57 years before finally being picked up, and that was with an in-film establishment of what the average turn around time was on the missions, counted in weeks and months, not years.
Hicks mentions they've been asleep for 3 weeks in Aliens.
Other script drafts of Alien 3 gave varying dates of July 3rd (no year), July 23rd (also no year), and 2270.
Mind you some also said Fiorina was in the Hyperion Galaxy and the Neroid Galaxy.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 18, 2018, 06:44:51 AM
Navigational failure leads to a four year drift. I just don't see the problem.
Except that the script itself indicates otherwise:
QuoteRosetti: "According to this, you departed Gateway three days prior to the navigational failure that sent Sulaco into the UPP sector."
Fox: "Let's consider that a glitch in your documentation."
Rosetti: "But your orders say you're here to investigate the accidental failure in the ship's navigational system. If it was accidental, how did you manage to leave Gateway before it happened?"
Welles: "Not to worry."
Rosetti: "I'll decide that for myself."
Welles: "If I were you, I'd worry about the mission priority-rating on those orders. That's the two-digit figure in the upper right corner, page one."
Rosetti: "I think this 'software failure' was a command from Gateway."
Fox: "Rosetti, that isn't in the documentation."
Rosetti: "You caused the failure, deliberately routed Sulaco through the UPP sector, and brought her into Anchorpoint."
I wonder if the "20th Century Fox Uncovered" bit on the cover is a sign they're at least open to the possibility of more of these kind of adaptations, Alien-related or otherwise.
The question is: how long does Dark Horse get to keep the Alien license? Why would Disney allow them to compete with Marvel if they own all of Fox's IPs?
I would assume existing licensing deals would still apply following the buy-out. So depends on how long Dark Horse have Alien/Predator for. It'd make sense for them to take it in-house but then Marvel also out-sources to other publishers - http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/07/17/idw-to-create-all-ages-comics-featuring-marvel-characters/
At the end of the day, we're just not going to know until we know. So many variables.
What if it's so popular and successful that it turns into a monthly series entitled Corporal Hicks?
They should do the Wooden Planet script next if it's successful. Not sure about the other ones.
Eric Red or GTFO.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2018, 08:05:08 AM
What if it's so popular and successful that it turns into a monthly series entitled Corporal Hicks?
Only if it's actually my likeness.
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 18, 2018, 09:03:51 AM
They should do the Wooden Planet script next if it's successful. Not sure about the other ones.
Personally, I want them to do them all 4.
Yes. Do All 4
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2018, 07:31:18 AM
I wonder if the "20th Century Fox Uncovered" bit on the cover is a sign they're at least open to the possibility of more of these kind of adaptations, Alien-related or otherwise.
I did wonder that myself a few pages back.
It's an interesting header.
Honestly the Twohy script never did anything for me, and the Red script just... Ugh.
Calling it "20th Century Fox Uncovered" means we could get more than just Alien script comics. Hmmmm, they could do a comic of Ellison's I, Robot... especially since he can't sue them anymore.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 18, 2018, 07:26:59 PM
Hmmmm, they could do a comic of Ellison's I, Robot... especially since he can't sue them anymore.
Never heard of that one. Any good?
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2018, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 18, 2018, 07:26:59 PM
Hmmmm, they could do a comic of Ellison's I, Robot... especially since he can't sue them anymore.
Never heard of that one. Any good?
It's a good script (Ellison published it in book form) but it's loooong, and gets kind of muddled by the end. Ellison basically doomed the project when he told an executive that he had "the intellectual capacity of an artichoke". :laugh:
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 18, 2018, 07:44:05 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2018, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 18, 2018, 07:26:59 PM
Hmmmm, they could do a comic of Ellison's I, Robot... especially since he can't sue them anymore.
Never heard of that one. Any good?
Ellison basically doomed the project when he told an executive that he had "the intellectual capacity of an artichoke". :laugh:
Hmmm. I'll just add that to my list of things "not" to say. ;) Sounds like something to check out though. I'll give it a look. Thanks.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 18, 2018, 07:44:05 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2018, 07:40:19 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 18, 2018, 07:26:59 PM
Hmmmm, they could do a comic of Ellison's I, Robot... especially since he can't sue them anymore.
Never heard of that one. Any good?
It's a good script (Ellison published it in book form) but it's loooong, and gets kind of muddled by the end. Ellison basically doomed the project when he told an executive that he had "the intellectual capacity of an artichoke". :laugh:
I've seen some interviews with Ellison recently on Prisoners of Gravity, and that seems so within his character. What a curmudgeon!! Brilliant, and probably right about the exec, but what a sour, bitter guy..
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2018, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2018, 08:05:08 AM
What if it's so popular and successful that it turns into a monthly series entitled Corporal Hicks?
Only if it's actually my likeness.
Hicks and Bishop could even visit Arceon next!
I wonder if William Gibson is getting a nice payday from this or did he lose all future royalties when he sold the script to Fox?
Not sure, but they did tag him in the announcement and he did comment on it positively, so maybe he's getting at least a nominal fee for it.
Can't wait to see how the hybrid is going to look, including the little spore pod and the insane birthing sequence.
I hope they keep the grander scale of Anchorpoint from the first draft. It can still be unfinished and manned by a skeleton crew, but I'd still like to see the different areas in one form or another like the mall and the aeroponics room.
While I've been quite vocal on how I prefer the second draft, I honestly think the more insane first version would make for a better, more fun comic.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 23, 2018, 10:51:01 AM
While I've been quite vocal on how I prefer the second draft, I honestly think the more insane first version would make for a better, more fun comic.
Was just thinking the same thing. That initial panic and scramble among the masses who are safe and secure one minute and then not is always freaky.
I hope the artwork goes more wild with the cyberpunk, perhaps in the same line as Dead Orbit.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 23, 2018, 10:51:01 AM
While I've been quite vocal on how I prefer the second draft, I honestly think the more insane first version would make for a better, more fun comic.
Honestly, crazy shit like the airborne spores and kneebursters would probably be a lot more acceptable now in the wake of Covenant.
To be fair, the second did include the viral stuff, if memory serves.
Yeah, if infected Welles and that's how we got the Hybrid. There were so few people on Anchorpoint in the second script so I don't recall who else died the same way.
I think the legburster came from an infection via a bite in the second draft. It was unexplained in the first.
Totally forgot about the infections via bites! Do you all think DH is releasing this because it shares a lot of the viral elements with Covenant and they want to divert more towards that direction for future content?
I doubt it. I think if anything inspired them it was that there was a lot of interest in alternative Alien 3 sequels, and the best way to ultimately approach that I think is in comics. They could do dozens of alternate sequel ideas and it won't piss anyone off.
Something i've always been curious about, and i'm very interested to see what the comics do with it, is what the new breeds look like.
I always imagined something similar to one of the Ripley Clone failures. There's one that has a very Alien head.
(https://i.imgur.com/4aBjZ1H.png)
I don't like the idea of the Aliens just mutating willy-nilly, does the script this is based on give any explanation?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2018, 08:32:11 AMYeah, it infected Welles and that's how we got the Hybrid. There were so few people on Anchorpoint in the second script so I don't recall who else died the same way.
Tully turns in draft 2, but realises it's coming and suicides by meat locker - they find him frozen solid and half-transformed. The scientist who gets bitten on the leg also turns, but Hicks shoots him dead before the process can complete; his turning made a hell of a lot more sense than the dozen Chestbursters that suddenly erupt out of him in response to a nip on the leg in draft 1.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 25, 2018, 05:33:33 PMI don't like the idea of the Aliens just mutating willy-nilly, does the script this is based on give any explanation?
Nope. They can just suddenly infect people via airborne contagion.
That leap is the main thing I dislike about it.
Nah, not my thing.
Say what you will about the Alien prequels, at least it added new facets without contradicting the Alien Trilogy.
Hope the adaptation in the comic makes at least some effort to explain why if they can spread as an airborne infection-
they didn't in the previous two films.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 25, 2018, 05:44:42 PMSay what you will about the Alien prequels, at least it added new facets without contradicting the Alien Trilogy.
Apart from Aliens bursting out of people fully-formed.
And the Aliens being massively younger than is shown by the first movie.
:P
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2018, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 25, 2018, 05:44:42 PMSay what you will about the Alien prequels, at least it added new facets without contradicting the Alien Trilogy.
Apart from Aliens bursting out of people fully-formed.
And the Aliens being massively younger than is shown by the first movie.
:P
Bah, artistic license on that first one- it doesn't actually change anything about the way they function.
Than is implied, not shown- in both cases.
That's not actually entirely true. There are at least three scenes that go over the ALIEN DNA.
The scientists at Anchorpoint do a human-alien culture to see how the alien DNA reacts. What they see scares them they terminate the experiment. Takes the ALIEN DNA seconds to basically destroy the human tissue culture. The corporate suits insist that the experiments follow through, and what develops in the container is actually not far from the spore pods in Alien Covenant. Something goes wrong with the system and it causes a couple of the tubes to overheat/over pressure and crack. A small egg-like spore has developed, and when it comes close to two of the characters it opens and releases a "small cloud that disappears." They're both infected with this new strain.
The commies basically admire how well it "lends itself to be manipulated" and that it seems to be almost "manufactured." They're impressed that it has a "universal compatibility." IE, whatever you give it, it will use. Basically, it's the perfect organism, a survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality. :)
So they do explain it. The Alien DNA will simply change and snap back violently depending on how it's cultivated. It makes more sense than the random nature of the black goo and spores.
Literally nothing about what goes on in the Gibson drafts, particularly draft 2, "contradicts" the first three films, because the way the Alien species is introduced and explored is different.
Also, after rereading it, i'm really curious to see what they do with the Stoiko. It's brief description in the script makes me think of Crimson Tide in space... Cold War space battle wagon.
Yeah, but per the original scripts, no manipulation has taken place when the Alien suddenly pulls an entirely new life cycle out of its ass.
The SpaceCommies fiddle with the creatures' DNA, and the Aliens on their station wing up breeding faster and generally being "meaner" as a result. But the ones on Anchorpoint are never said to be altered by the scientists. They just suddenly have a new method of reproduction they conveniently never used in the previous two films.
One visual I'm really looking forward to is the xenomorph DNA under the microscope.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2018, 07:46:00 PM
The SpaceCommies fiddle with the creatures' DNA, and the Aliens on their station wing up breeding faster and generally being "meaner" as a result. But the ones on Anchorpoint are never said to be altered by the scientists. They just suddenly have a new method of reproduction they conveniently never used in the previous two films.
It's
because they fused Alien DNA with human cultures. "The Change" and hybreds are a result of that. That isn't their natural life cycle at work, it's an aberration brought on by gestating the raw DNA with the human culture.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 25, 2018, 07:48:31 PM
One visual I'm really looking forward to is the xenomorph DNA under the microscope.
Yeah.
I do rather like the idea that the xenomorphs are dangerous even on the genetic level.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 25, 2018, 07:48:31 PM
One visual I'm really looking forward to is the xenomorph DNA under the microscope.
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/Mote_in_amber.jpg)
;D
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 25, 2018, 09:14:46 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 25, 2018, 07:48:31 PM
One visual I'm really looking forward to is the xenomorph DNA under the microscope.
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/Mote_in_amber.jpg)
;D
BINGO! XENO DNA!
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 25, 2018, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 25, 2018, 09:14:46 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 25, 2018, 07:48:31 PM
One visual I'm really looking forward to is the xenomorph DNA under the microscope.
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/Mote_in_amber.jpg)
;D
BINGO! XENO DNA!
XE-NO-MAURPHS
Is the new Alien 3 comic still coming out?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 12, 2018, 03:32:42 PM
https://www.cbr.com/william-gibson-alien-3-comic-book-series/
Quote from: SM on Jul 29, 2018, 04:24:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 12, 2018, 03:32:42 PM
https://www.cbr.com/william-gibson-alien-3-comic-book-series/
Thanks!
"The comic will plot a wholly new course for Ripley and the survivors aboard the Sulaco, as, according to Gibson, almost nothing from his original script made it into the final cut."
There is hope here.
"The synopsis for Gibson's Alien 3 reveals that the series' story will evolve one of the primary conflicts of the first two films, the struggled between personal welfare and corporate interests, by introducing a hefty dose of governmental strife into the equation."
Why not? Sounds you can add a lot more story depth now.
"Based on a script by William Gibson, William Gibson's Alien 3 #1 goes on sale on Nov. 7. Johnnie Christmas is the issue's artist. Tamra Bonvillain provides colors, while James Harren, Daniel Warren Johnson, Paolo Rivera, Tradd Moore and Christian Ward pen the issue's variant covers, two of which can be found in the gallery above, along with a five-page preview of the debut issue."
Nice. Good things have small beginnings.
SM placed all the calls afrer all.
Don't get on his bad side.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 30, 2018, 03:18:56 AM
Don't get on his bad side.
I didn't say anything bad, did I? I know when SM makes the calls, things happen.
That's because he has a very particular set of skills.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 31, 2018, 05:37:39 AM
That's because he has a very particular set of skills.
He'll put things on your pizza that will make you question everything you believe in.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 31, 2018, 05:45:09 AM
He'll put things on your pizza that will make you question everything you believe in.
*crack*
*sizzle sizzle*
Oft' times I forget how much work goes into a single panel.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2018, 09:32:34 AM
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Fascinating technique...
One thing I hope they change from the original script is
Spoiler
the two full grown aliens on board the Sulaco. I know they're just there as a means to write Ripley out of the story (she was supposed to return in the follow up iirc), but it made zero sense for them to be there. There's other, more believable ways for Ripley to be rendered comatose.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Aug 09, 2018, 01:24:33 AM
One thing I hope they change from the original script is Spoiler
the two full grown aliens on board the Sulaco. I know they're just there as a means to write Ripley out of the story (she was supposed to return in the follow up iirc), but it made zero sense for them to be there. There's other, more believable ways for Ripley to be rendered comatose.
The pages we've seen so far come from the second draft, where
Spoiler
Kurtz, the UPP Captain, gets jumped by the facehugger from Bishop's capsule, and in the ensuing spasms he shoots Ripley's capsule and damages it, before running off into the ship where bursts off camera.
When can I get my clammy hands on issue #1?
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 09, 2018, 01:39:43 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Aug 09, 2018, 01:24:33 AM
One thing I hope they change from the original script is Spoiler
the two full grown aliens on board the Sulaco. I know they're just there as a means to write Ripley out of the story (she was supposed to return in the follow up iirc), but it made zero sense for them to be there. There's other, more believable ways for Ripley to be rendered comatose.
The pages we've seen so far come from the second draft, where
Spoiler
Kurtz, the UPP Captain, gets jumped by the facehugger from Bishop's capsule, and in the ensuing spasms he shoots Ripley's capsule and damages it, before running off into the ship where bursts off camera.
That would make much more sense...
i think its been mentioned that the first book comes out in November of this year...
im counting the days until i can pre-order!
Quote from: DorkiDori on Aug 09, 2018, 03:22:35 PM
i think its been mentioned that the first book comes out in November of this year...
im counting the days until i can pre-order!
Put in my pre-order with my local this week (though it wasn't on the system as of yet).
When does SM get his advance copy?
When it's finished I suppose. Not that generally get advance copies. I just buy them when they come out like everyone else.
Quote from: Prez on Aug 10, 2018, 12:10:22 AM
Put in my pre-order with my local this week (though it wasn't on the system as of yet).
im impatiently waiting for it to pop up on Things From Another World... *sigh*
https://www.newsarama.com/41493-dark-horse-november-2018-solicitations.html
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William Gibson's Alien 3 #1
William Gibson (W), Johnnie Christmas (W/A/Cover), Tamra Bonvillain (C), and Paolo and Joe Rivera (Variant cover)
On sale Nov 7
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
This is the official adaptation of the original screenplay for Alien 3, written by William Gibson, the award-winning science fiction author of the cyberpunk cult classic Neuromancer. You'll see familiar characters and places—but not all is the same in this horrifying Cold War thriller!
After the deadly events of the film Aliens, the spaceship Sulaco carrying the sleeping bodies of Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and Bishop is intercepted by the Union of Progressive Peoples. What the UPP forces don't expect is another deadly passenger that is about to unleash chaos between two governmental titans intent on developing the ultimate Cold War weapon of mass destruction.
• Based on the original screenplay by Neuromancer's William Gibson!
• Adaptation and art by Johnnie Christmas—co-creator of Margaret Atwood's Angel Catbird and creator of Image Comics' Firebug.
• Featuring some of the most famous characters in the Alien film canon: Hicks, Bishop, Newt, and Ripley.
November is so far away...
Good to finally have a date for this!
Also, if that alternate cover's anything to go by, nice to see they've got the rights to the likenesses of Hicks and Bishop.
Would love to hear Michael Biehn's thoughts about this...especially since he wasn't happy about the way his character was handled. Interesting that some form of vindication could come after 30 years, even if it's in illustrated format.
Any chance of getting him on the podcast?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Good to finally have a date for this!
Also, if that alternate cover's anything to go by, nice to see they've got the rights to the likenesses of Hicks and Bishop.
I'm sure Henriksen wasn't hard to get, at least.
PRE-ORDERED LIKE WHOA!!!!!!! eeeeeeeeeeeeeee! snagged both covers too :D cant wait to read the first issue in November!
Will this be available on amazon?
Does Amazon sell singles???
Your best bet is a local comic shop.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Also, if that alternate cover's anything to go by, nice to see they've got the rights to the likenesses of Hicks and Bishop.
And it's a damn good likeness too!
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 23, 2018, 08:21:51 PM
Would love to hear Michael Biehn's thoughts about this...especially since he wasn't happy about the way his character was handled. Interesting that some form of vindication could come after 30 years, even if it's in illustrated format.
Any chance of getting him on the podcast?
Unlikely.
The likeness is great. They might have that for Newt as well. Do we know how many issues this is?
It's a 5 issue run.
I hope that's enough to flesh out the story correctly but I'm just happy it's more than 4 issues.
Now im really looking forward to this :) 5 Issues, Nice
Five seems like a good length for a film adaptation, especially considering the others were generally less than half that.
Alien Resurrection was 2. Alien 3 was 3. Predator 2 was 2. Predators was just an extended single softback.
Exactly.
Aliens was 2. Alien was just one, although it's pretty thick. So 5 seems like quite a good length.
Well...surely technically Aliens was just a single issue. Alien was more trade sized though. But yeah, 5 issues seems like it should be perfect.
The two parts of Newts Tale add up to about 4 normal issues.
Conceded. It's about 90 pages, 60 of which are Aliens. Hadn't realized the issues were extended.
Neither did I! But then I only have it as part of Aliens magazine.
I hope Disney doesn't yank the license from Dark Horse and cancel this two or three issues in...
Sounds unreasonable, but so does cancelling every Star Wars game when they bought LucasFilm.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks
Unlikely.
give it a shot... shoot him a message on Facebook. not like hes immensely busy as a film star anymore. you never know what he might say :) hell, half the musicians, authors and artists i never thought id ever speak with have taken time out to talk to me and ive actually gotten to know (and gained a fan from) a certain concept artist from Alien Covenant because of it ;)
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 24, 2018, 03:04:00 PM
I hope Disney doesn't yank the license from Dark Horse and cancel this two or three issues in...
i highly doubt this will happen as its probably set up as a contract to create all 5 issues... if disney yanked the license, they would be in breach of contract.
I imagine Michael Biehn's reaction to this comic would be utter disappointment since it represents what could have been his biggest starring role ever.
Disney doesn't actually own Fox yet.
FWIW, Disney announced their acquisition of Lucasfilm in October 2012 and Dark Horse published their last Star Wars comic in August 2014.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Darth_Maul%E2%80%94Son_of_Dathomir
so maybe enough time for that Eric Red adaptation ;)
Beautiful art and a wonderful sense of atmosphere.
Yeah, liking the look of that.
So so so excited for this.
Oh thats Nice
Preorder is in. For some reason I can't subscribe via FP, though. :s
Today a FREE promotional poster of William Gibson ALIEN 3 came out. 8)
Check you local comic shop to see if they have any available. This is how it was listed on the invoice.
WILLIAM GIBSONS ALIEN 3 HELLBOY PROMO FLIP POSTER
Good Hunting!
Cheers
D
Love that this is happening and I hope it paves the way forward for further projects like these.
Vincent Ward's A3 next I hope.
All that dialogue about bread needs the comic treatment.
This is bread... trust me I know bread.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Sep 06, 2018, 03:37:19 AM
All that dialogue about bread needs the comic treatment.
We may finally find out what happens in that toilet lol
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 06, 2018, 10:44:05 AMWe may finally find out what happens in that toilet lol
(https://porridgemagazine.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/renton.png?w=480&h=270)
Hope they utilize the second draft of Gibson's screenplay that corrected a lot of stuff in the first that didn't make sense.
Quote from: EJA on Sep 06, 2018, 03:43:06 PM
Hope they utilize the second draft of Gibson's screenplay that corrected a lot of stuff in the first that didn't make sense.
Something tells me that whichever is used will be cleaned up and have some of the minor holes fixed
The first few pages we were shown had elements clearly drawn from the second draft.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 06, 2018, 03:41:10 AM
This is bread... trust me I know bread.
Lolllll
Guy knew his wheats n oats. Would have made more sense if it was weed...trust me I know weed.
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 07, 2018, 03:37:26 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 06, 2018, 03:41:10 AM
This is bread... trust me I know bread.
Lolllll
Guy knew his wheats n oats. Would have made more sense if it was weed...trust me I know weed.
Ever seen my signatures? ;D
Take a gander down below.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 06, 2018, 02:11:54 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 06, 2018, 10:44:05 AMWe may finally find out what happens in that toilet lol
https://porridgemagazine.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/renton.png?w=480&h=270
Hahahahahaha :laugh: :laugh:
That really looks like Stokoe's art there.
Any confirmation on that ?
No idea but you're not wrong! It really does look like Stokoe.
It's absolutely Stokoe, the Aliens are identical.
Another giveaway is that I cannot see a signature there at all. I have a ton of his work and nothing is signed.
Not even that original art piece I posted a while back, if you remember that Hicks ?
I want this cover I think.
The Sulaco is totally in Dead Orbit on that cover.
The number of aliens on the cover suggests they're drawing from both drafts to me.
Anyone know how many issues will be released? TPB possible?
Not excited about the Alien ready to jump like a bug variant cover concept and the cartoon art. The egg/hugger cover looks better.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Search/Aliens
I'd think that's a given.
I think this will see a fancy pants to be fair. There will be a wealth of bonus material that can be included.
As well as a TPB I mean
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2018, 06:58:54 AM
I'd think that's a given.
You should get Michael Biehn to autograph yours.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2018, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2018, 06:58:54 AM
I'd think that's a given.
You should get Michael Biehn to autograph yours.
Or failing that, get James Remar. ;)
No, Remar should autograph his copy of ACM.
Might as well have him sign the first Mortal Kombat movie.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnj_zroHOc7/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=182ttzlboliz1
That gun looks like an Uzi.
I imagine that's the UPP commando whose name I can't currently recall.
Chang I think.
I was expecting a Space Kalashnikov.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2018, 08:06:48 AM
I was expecting a Space Kalashnikov.
Hopefully it will look different at a different angle
The artwork looks kinetic and exciting but the design so far is lazy.
Artwork looks kind of scratchy to me but I don't know what stage of development it's at... could be just a sketch...
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Sep 11, 2018, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2018, 08:06:48 AM
I was expecting a Space Kalashnikov.
Hopefully it will look different at a different angle
Hopefully, although I'm not sure how that could look like anything but an Uzi from any other angle.
I guess UPP is so poor that it can only provide T-shirts for their commandos.
Hopefully that's near the end after all hell breaks loose on Rodina Station.
Artists need time more than anything, even or especially the best ones.
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 11, 2018, 01:17:40 PM
I guess UPP is so poor that it can only provide T-shirts for their commandos.
Like this?
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LgpDt3t6XTU/VyyTKssV8DI/AAAAAAAAZX0/nn869K5ikJkovFUbr1csiZ1gmpskAHMDwCLcB/s1600/Aliens_33_gal.jpg)
When we meet Chang at the start (assuming this is she) she has a combat spacesuit with a smart gun built into the forearm.
It might be Jackson or Spence. I haven't read Gibson's script in some time.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 11, 2018, 08:06:02 PM
Artists need time more than anything, even or especially the best ones.
Here, here! I've said it before, I'll say it again, some of the best comic book reading I had the privilege of enjoying was the very first Aliens series by Verheiden and Nelson. Almost every book was late. Some, by up to 4 months. It was all worth the while. Same with the Hawkeye series from Marvel a few years ago. Screw the schedules! Give me quality and let the pencilnecks' heads explode.
Delayed comics doesn't generally bother me, but it's still unprofessional. Be easier to just set out a more realistic schedule from the outset.
https://comicbook.com/comics/2018/09/11/william-gibsons-alien-3-3-cover/
(https://media.comicbook.com/2018/09/aliens-3-william-gibson-variant-1133236.jpeg)
Quote"The crew of the Rodina quickly find themselves in a dire situation as the U.P.P. side have an unwelcome guest aboard their ship. Meanwhile, the powers that be on the Sulaco look to replace the crew with the recently recovered android, Bishop. As they push the limits of ethics and morality, the crew decide something must be done."
I can't help but wonder if The Hybrid will look just like that Neomorph thing from Covenant.
"The hybrid" ?
I have not read the unmade scripts entirely.
The New Beast. It was Gibson's new style of Alien and it functioned pretty much like the Neomorphs and the spores.
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2018, 03:28:31 AM
Delayed comics doesn't generally bother me, but it's still unprofessional. Be easier to just set out a more realistic schedule from the outset.
Yeah, I'm the same. I don't mind waiting but it gives a bad impression.
Also, is it me or does the new outline make it sound like they've turned the Rodina into a ship rather than a station?
It certainly does. I hope that's just a loose description of the story.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 07:58:10 AM
The New Beast. It was Gibson's new style of Alien and it functioned pretty much like the Neomorphs and the spores.
I sure as shit hope they don't make it look like the Newborn. Or give it a skull. >:(
Might be an error with those writing the blurb. The script has Rodina as a station.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 07:58:10 AM
The New Beast. It was Gibson's new style of Alien and it functioned pretty much like the Neomorphs and the spores.
So, if the Queen used Bishop's (apparently) genetic material to generate a new egg with a fluid in her stinger-
How do the spores come about?
& If the species survives through these spores, how does the Alien return to its original version?
The Anchorpoint scientists cultured scrapings of genetic material from Bishop's lower half and cloned a miniature egg, which subsequently burst and released airborne spores.
There's also a classic alien that gets birthed prior to all this going down though.
A miniature egg that releases airborne spores you say, that seems vaguely familiar.
I'd honestly be chuffed if they used the Neomorph design.
I know, right? It's like William Gibson had a crystal ball or something.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2018, 10:56:43 AM
It certainly does. I hope that's just a loose description of the story.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 07:58:10 AM
The New Beast. It was Gibson's new style of Alien and it functioned pretty much like the Neomorphs and the spores.
I sure as shit hope they don't make it look like the Newborn. Or give it a skull. >:(
I will become quite upset also if a SKULL appears on a zenomorph >:(
What's with all the hate over it having a skull? Like the domed skull the first Alien had?
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2018, 03:28:31 AM
Delayed comics doesn't generally bother me, but it's still unprofessional. Be easier to just set out a more realistic schedule from the outset.
I am not advocating lateness for its own sake. The editor should have strong enough curation abilities to make a judgment call if they have something truly amazing on their hands, and allow it more time. Heck, they could use it as a marketing feature. The publisher could say that extra time was needed to do something the right way. Almost consistently, when this happens, the results are amazing.
I suspect this is what happened with Tristan Jones and Defiance recently. The company wanted to stick to the schedule at all costs, and they drove the artist away who was putting in their heart and soul into the work. The big money making machine has to keep rolling right? I would say that this is the bigger problem. Movies, music, comics, books, these are all artistic endeavors. They don't actually need to show up on time for humanity to exist, like food, shelter, etc. The application of ideas like professionalism, timeliness are in truth arbitrary and serve the moneymaking aspect of the enterprise, but not necessarily the end product itself. The Defiance comics could have all come out late, with Tristan's work and they would have been timeless classics, but instead, they ended up as more punctual drivel.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2018, 12:16:28 PM
I know, right? It's like William Gibson had a crystal ball or something.
I'm disappointed I never got to ask about this. :'(
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 12, 2018, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2018, 03:28:31 AM
Delayed comics doesn't generally bother me, but it's still unprofessional. Be easier to just set out a more realistic schedule from the outset.
I am not advocating lateness for its own sake. The editor should have strong enough curation abilities to make a judgment call if they have something truly amazing on their hands, and allow it more time. Heck, they could use it as a marketing feature. The publisher could say that extra time was needed to do something the right way. Almost consistently, when this happens, the results are amazing.
I suspect this is what happened with Tristan Jones and Defiance recently. The company wanted to stick to the schedule at all costs, and they drove the artist away who was putting in their heart and soul into the work. The big money making machine has to keep rolling right? I would say that this is the bigger problem. Movies, music, comics, books, these are all artistic endeavors. They don't actually need to show up on time for humanity to exist, like food, shelter, etc. The application of ideas like professionalism, timeliness are in truth arbitrary and serve the moneymaking aspect of the enterprise, but not necessarily the end product itself. The Defiance comics could have all come out late, with Tristan's work and they would have been timeless classics, but instead, they ended up as more punctual drivel.
I don't believe I agree with anything you've just said.
I don't see why there should be any lateness with a series that only runs 4 to 12 issues.
A four issue series should be all complete before the first is released. I abhor a delayed issue. Hate it.
12 issue series' could at least be more than half way through when the first issue is released.
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2018, 08:19:17 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 12, 2018, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2018, 03:28:31 AM
Delayed comics doesn't generally bother me, but it's still unprofessional. Be easier to just set out a more realistic schedule from the outset.
I am not advocating lateness for its own sake. The editor should have strong enough curation abilities to make a judgment call if they have something truly amazing on their hands, and allow it more time. Heck, they could use it as a marketing feature. The publisher could say that extra time was needed to do something the right way. Almost consistently, when this happens, the results are amazing.
I suspect this is what happened with Tristan Jones and Defiance recently. The company wanted to stick to the schedule at all costs, and they drove the artist away who was putting in their heart and soul into the work. The big money making machine has to keep rolling right? I would say that this is the bigger problem. Movies, music, comics, books, these are all artistic endeavors. They don't actually need to show up on time for humanity to exist, like food, shelter, etc. The application of ideas like professionalism, timeliness are in truth arbitrary and serve the moneymaking aspect of the enterprise, but not necessarily the end product itself. The Defiance comics could have all come out late, with Tristan's work and they would have been timeless classics, but instead, they ended up as more punctual drivel.
I don't believe I agree with anything you've just said.
I don't believe there is anything wrong with that.
I do prefer quality over quantity though. I also prefer fine, well aged wine.
But this is really just a first world problem after all.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 12, 2018, 08:48:01 PM
I don't see why there should be any lateness with a series that only runs 4 to 12 issues.
A four issue series should be all complete before the first is released. I abhor a delayed issue. Hate it.
12 issue series' could at least be more than half way through when the first issue is released.
As a comparison, issue 1 of Defiance was written in August 2015 and released at the end of April 2016.
Predator Life & Death issue 1 was written/ revised in July 2015 and released in March 2016.
End of March 2016 or beginning? It's the first issue anyway. That's when the artist has most steam. Do you know what actually happened with Tristan, and why he left, that you are allowed to disclose?
Anyway, I was just looking at the Defiance series as an outside observer and if keeping Tristan around in the series required more time for him to work his magic, I would have been happy with that. If it wasn't a time issue, then my point on that stands. Nobody's life depends on getting a comic on time. Nobody cherishes a comic that was rushed to meet a deadline. But comics that are done properly, at their own pace are reprinted over and over and very much loved.
It's been delayed? Well that kinda sucks.
QuoteEnd of March 2016 or beginning?
Beginning.
QuoteDo you know what actually happened with Tristan, and why he left, that you are allowed to disclose?
I've heard some stuff, but wouldn't speak for him even if I knew for sure.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 07:51:33 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2018, 12:16:28 PM
I know, right? It's like William Gibson had a crystal ball or something.
I'm disappointed I never got to ask about this. :'(
Did you interview Gibson?
Quote from: SM on Sep 13, 2018, 12:45:28 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 12, 2018, 08:48:01 PM
I don't see why there should be any lateness with a series that only runs 4 to 12 issues.
A four issue series should be all complete before the first is released. I abhor a delayed issue. Hate it.
12 issue series' could at least be more than half way through when the first issue is released.
As a comparison, issue 1 of Defiance was written in August 2015 and released at the end of April 2016.
Predator Life & Death issue 1 was written/ revised in July 2015 and released in March 2016.
Yeah i am aware of the lead times in comic book production. I just think it would be good business to have more than one in the bag of a given series before releasing. Or release on a bi-monthly schedule.
If it's just one dude writing and drawing then yeah, make it a more realistic release schedule.
Absolutely
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2018, 04:08:15 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 07:51:33 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2018, 12:16:28 PM
I know, right? It's like William Gibson had a crystal ball or something.
I'm disappointed I never got to ask about this. :'(
Did you interview Gibson?
I was talking more about not asking Scott that in the junket or Greene and Harper not returning my messages (despite Harper initially agreeing to come on the podcast). I've messaged Gibson a few times over the years but he's never bit. Johnny has agreed to join me after the series comes out though. :)
Will you be taking suggested questions for that one? :)
For Johnny's? Sure. Always try to mate.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 13, 2018, 08:15:20 AM
For Johnny's? Sure. Always try to mate.
Aren't johnnies supposed to impede mating? *b'dum-tsh!*
I'll see myself out.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 13, 2018, 08:15:20 AM
For Johnny's? Sure. Always try to mate.
I forecast grouchy questions regarding liberties taken with his adaptation of the scripts.
Cover for issue 2's up on the Dark Horse site (https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/3002-525/William-Gibsons-Alien-3-2#prettyPhoto).
The synopsis makes for interesting reading:
QuoteWith the Sulaco containing more than meets the eye, the U.P.P. team looks to find out what happened to Ripley, Bishop, and company. At the same time, the group on the Rodina have discovered that one of their own--Kurtz--may be infected on Anchorpoint, and uses the captured Bishop as a ransoming piece for Kurtz's return, who the Rodina crew view as a potential weapon.
Evidently the plot is going to be expanded from either of the film drafts.
pre-ordered both covers of issue 2!!! CANNOT WAIT TO READ THESE THINGS :D
I'll wait for the TPD for practical reasons.
As will I.
eh, i love collecting all the various covers and such. have almost 2 boxes full of dark horse aliens comics now ;) dating all the way back to the original black and white series that continued the film all the way up to all of the recent releases! its great getting comics in the mail every months with all these new books from Dark Horse *swoon*
I always upgrade to the trade these days but I buy the singles to help support the run and then give them away. As I understand singles are more important to the sales so I want to help support the series.
In the Netherlands, reliable distribution is severly limited.
I really need to go find somewhere I can get this pre-ordered. Sadly the only local comic shop I know are a bunch of useless f*ckwits.
need to remember to pre-order the series tomorrow
Should I read William Gibson's script before this comic comes out or wait?
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Sep 25, 2018, 06:05:29 PM
Should I read William Gibson's script before this comic comes out or wait?
If I remember correctly, there are two script treatments he did. One had more action than the other, I believe. His Alien 3 has indeed gotten love. And justifiably so. In my opinion, it is the best thing I've ever "read" in the aliens universe, even though it didn't seem like official "alien EU stuff" to me until this series was green-lit.
As for your question, I'll say this. The comics will get here sometime on down the road. Gibson's Alien 3 exists right here and now. You can experience it today, no waiting. It's going to read exactly how he wanted it to. And above all else, it's a ride that's darn well worth the taking. I wouldn't hesitate to read it. Not for a minute.
It's that...damn...good.
But in Mr Gibson's scripts, Corporal Hicks and Bishop are battling genetically-altered Xenomorphs
Great looking script, locations etc, but f**k me what is up with this stupid idea for genetecially altered crap?
http://www.worldcomicbookreview.com/index.php/2018/09/26/william-gibsons-aliens-3-script-to-be-published-as-a-comic-by-dark-horse/
Genetically modified or Army controlled or any of that crap equals humanity knows about Aliens equals mystique, suspense, terror gone. What will follow is a typical early 90's action movie theme.
I guess I won't mention it specifically since there's literally someone three posts up who hasn't read either draft, but yeah there's one key part of both drafts that's a lot like something they did in Alien Covenant that's along those lines. I did like how both drafts acknowledged the potential for the Alien to have originated as a bio-engineered weapon, but I did think they went a bit crazy with the "New Beasts", especially in the first draft.
It kinda looks like the comic is going to be taking the second draft as its main inspiration, but with some changes here and there that weren't present in either, but I'd almost prefer thy'd adapted the first just because of how absolutely nuts it is, as well as clearly the version that would have required a far bigger budget to realise on-screen.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2018, 08:29:47 AM
I really need to go find somewhere I can get this pre-ordered. Sadly the only local comic shop I know are a bunch of useless f*ckwits.
www.tfaw.com is where i get ALL of my comics from now... been ordering from them for 3-4 years.
and yes, both covers for issue 1 and 2 are up for pre-ordering right meow ;)
I believe a medium of the two with changes would produce the best version, I hope that's what we will receive.
I'd like the overall influence to be from the second draft, but with some of the action and Hicks getting more to do earlier on from the first.
Well after I've finished reading The Cold Forge, I shall begin on the first William Gibson draft.
There's always the digital store until you can get your hand on physical trades.
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Sep 25, 2018, 06:05:29 PMShould I read William Gibson's script before this comic comes out or wait?
Personally, if I hadn't already read the scripts, I think I'd prefer to wait for the comic, then read them afterwards. The comic will be a more complete and engaging product. A script is just words on a page.
Quote from: DorkiDori on Sep 26, 2018, 08:53:28 PMwww.tfaw.com is where i get ALL of my comics from now... been ordering from them for 3-4 years.
Thanks, but I live in the UK. Don't really wanna be shipping an issue across the Atlantic every month!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 27, 2018, 08:02:46 AMThere's always the digital store until you can get your hand on physical trades.
You know I'm an old fart, I prefer physical copies :P
QuotePersonally, if I hadn't already read the scripts, I think I'd prefer to wait for the comic, then read them afterwards. The comic will be a more complete and engaging product. A script is just words on a page.
I was never a fan of the Gibson script - but having seen the art and some of the script (which is very faithful) I'm really looking forward to this one.
Likewise.
While I quite like his second draft, I still really don't enjoy the drastic Alien biology changes he made.
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2018, 08:33:54 AM
QuotePersonally, if I hadn't already read the scripts, I think I'd prefer to wait for the comic, then read them afterwards. The comic will be a more complete and engaging product. A script is just words on a page.
I was never a fan of the Gibson script - but having seen the art and some of the script (which is very faithful) I'm really looking forward to this one.
Not even the second?
It was better than the first, but I liked Ward's take more.
I hope that Vincent Ward's A3 will be the successor to this, if this is successful.
The only one theyll never do is the RED draft :laugh:
Then perhaps Alien: Engineers.
I hope this opens a whole new world of possibilities for alternate story continuations through comics.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 27, 2018, 11:19:13 AMThe only one theyll never do is the RED draft :laugh:
If they do, they better get some batshit art for it.
I really hope they do do that. I want to see the big Alien space station
If we never get Neill Blomkamp's Aliens, I hope we at least get a comic book adaptation like this.
When you think about it it's yet another unproduced Alien 3 script.
That or a novelization. Just have to hope this does well.
Yes, buy the single issues folks!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 27, 2018, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 27, 2018, 11:19:13 AMThe only one theyll never do is the RED draft :laugh:
If they do, they better get some batshit art for it.
It needs to be Liefeld.
(https://i.imgur.com/moEeXQ0.jpg)
;D
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 27, 2018, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 27, 2018, 11:19:13 AMThe only one theyll never do is the RED draft :laugh:
If they do, they better get some batshit art for it.
Sam Kieth.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 27, 2018, 08:29:00 AM
The comic will be a more complete and engaging product. A script is just words on a page.
Seek the power of imagination. ;)
Lol sure, I was merely being literal.
The comic will have pretty pictures n' stuff.
Spikes on the head, a lot more neck muscle. The hybrid perhaps?
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:o WOW
Looks like he may have used an AvPR head as reference?
I believe so.
Out of curiosity, has Corporal Hicks ever contacted Michael Biehn about an interview or podcast before?
I'm pretty excited about this book. I just discovered it. Been on an Alien hiatus for a few months.
January solicits are out.
Issue 3 is at the bottom.
Loving the covers for this series.
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1810/22/darkhorsejan.htm
Yeah, I like the slightly minimalist look of the default covers.
Agreed. They look very.... prestigious or premium.
Anyone knows which of Gibson's two scripts this is based on?
The full-blown action one or the second more toned down one?
From the dialogue it seems to be the second.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2018, 10:54:29 AM
From the dialogue it seems to be the second.
Nice. Always prefered it compared to the action approach of the first one.
Also kinda curious what Eric Red's batshit insane A3 script would look like in comic form. ;D
Quote from: TheKurgan on Oct 29, 2018, 11:00:05 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2018, 10:54:29 AM
From the dialogue it seems to be the second.
Nice. Always prefered it compared to the action approach of the first one.
Also kinda curious what Eric Red's batshit insane A3 script would look like in comic form. ;D
Lol well most of Issue 3 would be taken up with the Zero-G sex scene lol
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Oct 29, 2018, 12:00:43 PM
Quote from: TheKurgan on Oct 29, 2018, 11:00:05 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2018, 10:54:29 AM
From the dialogue it seems to be the second.
Nice. Always prefered it compared to the action approach of the first one.
Also kinda curious what Eric Red's batshit insane A3 script would look like in comic form. ;D
Lol well most of Issue 3 would be taken up with the Zero-G sex scene lol
true dat ;D
The whole thing is just one insane ride into madness.
just pre-ordered both covers of issue 3!!! cant wait til issue 1 shows up later in Nov :D so excited to read it!!!
Advanced review of the first issue: https://iearths.blogspot.com/2018/10/review-dark-horse-comics-william.html
Some spoilers and an apparent difference to the scripts (or just not quite accurate summary) but they really liked it!
QuoteOne issue in to William Gibson's Alien 3 and we're already hooked in hard!
Gibson's vision presents a sequel that feels much more familiar than what we got on the big screen back in 1992, reuniting three of the franchise's biggest icons for a brand new adventure against big, bad bugs and a seriously shady corporation!
Combined with some extremely strong art courtesy of the very talented Johnnie Christmas, this new chapter of the Aliens mythos feels like going home, bringing back familiar faces and locales that the final theatrical film failed to deliver. In addition, there are some very bold new concepts being explored within the pages of this debut issue - and we're quite excited to see them expanded upon as this brilliant new series moves forward in the months ahead.
Rating: 5/5 - "An extremely strong starting point for what is sure to be one of the most popular titles on newsstands this year!"
From memory it's pretty faithful, so if you've read the scripts you'll have a good idea of what to expect.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks
Advanced review of the first issue: https://iearths.blogspot.com/2018/10/review-dark-horse-comics-william.html
Some spoilers and an apparent difference to the scripts (or just not quite accurate summary) but they really liked it!
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah boi! cant wait to get the first issue in the mail :D
on a side note... i just ordered all of the Mystery Science Theater 3000 comics because it was on the back cover of Aliens Dust to Dust issue #3 that arrived in mail to me today LOL (I had completely forgotten MST3K was getting a comic series).
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2018/10/30/william-gibsons-alien-3-1-review/
They liked it but not as much.
Haha another egg on the Sulaco? Bishop did it?
Better to have shoved an alien in a locker to come out afterwards and start some eggmorphing.
"Adventuresinpoortaste" Correct, 100% IMO.
Quote from: Nostromo on Oct 31, 2018, 07:02:09 AM
Haha another egg on the Sulaco? Bishop did it?
Better to have shoved an alien in a locker to come out afterwards and start some eggmorphing.
Depending on how closely they keep to the script, it's very much addressed in the story.
True.
Just went to order the first issue on Forbidden Planet's website, but I'm getting a no longer available message? Is anywhere else in the UK selling it?
Finally put my order in for this series! Looking forward to seeing what they do with the script.
Me too! Think I'm gonna bunk off early Wednesday to go pick it up before the shop closes! ;D
Picking up issue one on my birthday. That's Thursday 15th as we get our new releases a day later here in Oz.
Can't wait :-)
Pre Ordered the TPB on Amazon.
Flicked through this (didn't have any cash on me) this afternoon. Looks pretty good. Will pick it up tomorrow.
Pre-ordered issue one.
Just read it.
Great stuff. Really enjoyed it.
7/8 hours until I can get my grubby mitts on it!
http://www.outrightgeekery.com/2018/11/11/alien-3-gidson-script-1-review/
Only read the summary. 4/5
QuoteDark Horse brings us THE biggest missed opportunity within the sci-fi world – the legendary and mind-blowing script for the third movie of the franchise by Cyberpunk literary giant, William Gibson.
QuoteDark Horse brings us THE biggest missed opportunity within the sci-fi world – the legendary and mind-blowing script for the third movie of the franchise by Cyberpunk literary giant, William Gibson.
Lol not sure about that.
Yeah... lol
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 14, 2018, 09:29:39 AM
QuoteDark Horse brings us THE biggest missed opportunity within the sci-fi world – the legendary and mind-blowing script for the third movie of the franchise by Cyberpunk literary giant, William Gibson.
Lol not sure about that.
yeah, they kinda overselling it here... :D
Is the first issue already in stores or is it just shipping out this week?
It should be available to purchase in stores today.
Thanks Hicks. The comic shop I got to is pretty close to my job so I went there and grabbed it while I was on lunch
I loved this. Can't wait to get more.
It's really awesome to see this script in images.
Picked up mine in Nottingham Forbidden Planet today, there were about 5 other copies on display.
First comic I've bought in donkeys years but I've been really interested to read and see this. The only downside for me is it's a bit on the short side, but the artwork and the dialogue is excellent for me, so far. Loved the final page!
My copy is in the mail.
Quote from: Marc505 on Nov 14, 2018, 09:13:39 PM
Picked up mine in Nottingham Forbidden Planet today, there were about 5 other copies on display.
First comic I've bought in donkeys years but I've been really interested to read and see this. The only downside for me is it's a bit on the short side, but the artwork and the dialogue is excellent for me, so far. Loved the final page!
Got four more issues yet. :)
the book is selling really well at my LCS
just finished it, a little underwhelmed with the art
that's down to taste though, i prefer very stylized artwork
Got it and love it.
Not much action in the first issue but I'm really enjoying the set up.
I really dig the art myself.
I'm guessing they slimmed down the ridiculous amount of conferences in the bubble room. :laugh:
i'm going to call it the 'tristan jones effect' ha
I've really enjoyed the first issue! So nice to see everything getting visualized after all this time. Only thing I dislike is the UPP rocking up in that dropship. I'm so keen to keep going. The wait for this series is going to be a flipping nightmare.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 15, 2018, 08:53:55 AMOnly thing I dislike is the UPP rocking up in that dropship. I'm so keen to keep going.
Yeah, that bugged me in the preview. You've only got to look at the real Cold War here on Earth to know you'd never find both sides using the same kit.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 15, 2018, 08:53:55 AMThe wait for this series is going to be a flipping nightmare.
And that's before we get to the inevitable six-month delay on the final issue :P
Just read it. Pretty cool so far. I never read the original script so going in unprejudiced here. I don't get what that dropship was doing there at the beginning. Was it trying to scratch a circular hole on the Sulaco?
I hope we get a nice graphic novel compilation that will also feature the original Alien 3 adaptation. It would be a good opportunity to re-release that series. It never got the TPB treatment. I know some people were not fans of that adaptation, but I for one liked it a lot.
As far as the film adaptation comics go, the most obvious thing to do would be a collection including Net's Tale, 3 and Resurrection in one book (given the different publishers, you're not likely to ever see Alien: The Illustrated Story in the same package).
I still find it kind of odd that they so conspicuously haven't been collected (not counting the one-off trade they did back in the day for Newt's Tale, or the random UK magazine reprints of that and Resurrection).
I love the Illustrated Story. Newt's Tale was pretty awful, and 3 and Resurrection were ok (but a bit too short, each should have been four parts IMO).
Enjoyed issue one of this so far. Not super fond of the script itself, but I'm all for getting it visualized like this. Eagerly looking forward to the second part.
Now to get caught up in Dust to Dust...
Now they just need to hire a Kindergarten class to illustrate the Red script with finger paints.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 16, 2018, 12:43:50 AM
Now they just need to hire a Kindergarten class to illustrate the Red script with finger paints.
I was told there would be grown men and laxatives involved. What is all this finger-painting business?
I hear magnesia really brings out the detail in those xeno chickens. ;D
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 12:52:37 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 16, 2018, 12:43:50 AM
Now they just need to hire a Kindergarten class to illustrate the Red script with finger paints.
I was told there would be grown men and laxatives involved. What is all this finger-painting business?
I hear magnesia really brings out the detail in those xeno chickens. ;D
Laxatives. Finger painting. Xeno chickens. Sounds fun.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 15, 2018, 03:39:00 PM
As far as the film adaptation comics go, the most obvious thing to do would be a collection including Net's Tale, 3 and Resurrection in one book (given the different publishers, you're not likely to ever see Alien: The Illustrated Story in the same package).
I still find it kind of odd that they so conspicuously haven't been collected (not counting the one-off trade they did back in the day for Newt's Tale, or the random UK magazine reprints of that and Resurrection).
I don't recall Newt's tale ever being combined into a single TPB. They should redo the ALIENS adaptation. It is a popular enough film to justify it. At the very least, they should recolor Newt's Tale and re-release it. It was colored like a children's book, which in a way, it was.
I wonder if they'll do another series that picks up where Gibson's script leaves off.
I'd buy that.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 16, 2018, 01:27:01 AMI don't recall Newt's tale ever being combined into a single TPB.
Titan did a collected edition in the mid-90s. Think it might've been a UK-only release.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 16, 2018, 12:43:50 AMNow they just need to hire a Kindergarten class to illustrate the Red script with finger paints.
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 16, 2018, 12:52:37 AMI was told there would be grown men and laxatives involved. What is all this finger-painting business?
:laugh: Sometimes I feel sorry for Red. And then I remember, "Breakfast of champions!"
The first issue came in today. The breaking off point was a bit odd. Not really the most dynamic face reveal in comics. Overall, though, it was very good. Hopefully the upcoming issues strike a nice balance between the two drafts. This one seems entirely drawn from the second, but I'd really like to see some of the bigger scale stuff like the mall and zero gravity fight from the first.
I do kind of wish they used the roman numeral III instead of 3, since all of the scripts use that.
i can't remember if it was in one of gibson's scripts, but was he the one who included a wooden planet? haha
Red used the numeral, and the shooting drafts by Giler and Hill used the superscript 3.
Quote from: toro on Nov 17, 2018, 01:11:10 AM
i can't remember if it was in one of gibson's scripts, but was he the one who included a wooden planet? haha
That was Vincent Ward.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 17, 2018, 01:44:13 AM
Quote from: toro on Nov 17, 2018, 01:11:10 AM
i can't remember if it was in one of gibson's scripts, but was he the one who included a wooden planet? haha
That was Vincent Ward.
My fellow Gothic Hipster
Picked up my copy yesterday, although I've only had the chance for a casual flick through it so far. Art looks nice. Whatever my general feelings on comics, I'm really glad they went through with this adaptation.
The OCD in me is unreasonably upset that I ended up receiving the variant cover instead of the regular though lol.
Hudafuk addicted to buying new comics Hudathunk!
:) This is a special case.
Also Dead Orbit, need to get that one too :P
My comic shop was sold out of issue one so I had to go with the digital copy. I enjoyed it and since I haven't read the script I'm excited to see where this goes.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 18, 2018, 01:19:59 PM
:) This is a special case.
Also Dead Orbit, need to get that one too :P
Wait for the fancy pants hardcover in May.
I do believe he is! He had to remind me it was coming. lol
i really only like buying graphic novels, but i bought this digitally
now dead orbit - i read that in an afternoon sitting in barnes & noble with a green tea latte ha.
Hoping my order comes through in the next few days.
Quote from: Russ840 on Nov 18, 2018, 05:11:16 PMWait for the fancy pants hardcover in May.
As Hicks says, I am :)
You won't regret it. I have Stokoe's Godzilla series in the large, fancy hardcover and te oversized format really serves his art well.
Bought the first issue today. been looking forward to this a lot.
Had a bit of a hard time following what was going on, you can tell the story is super condensed. I hope the aliens are well drawn when they show up.
Side note, How the hell is the boarding of sulaco possible? it's a military vessel, a warship. One would think it's not completely helpless when the few crewmembers onboard are in cryosleep.
WILLIAM GIBSON'S ALIEN 3 #3 Variant....worst variant cover of the year award?
Why can't Tristan Jones draw every Variant cover :(
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/3003-265/William-Gibsons-Alien-3-3-Daniel-Warren-Johnson-Variant-Cover
https://www.darkhorse.com/Search/aliens
Worst??
Lolwut
I don't like the idea of trying to find out what the worst thing is in most cases. Especially artists' work. Such an internetty trolly thing to aim for.
Top 10 worst cars!
Top ten worst haircuts!
Top 10 worst dressed people!
Egads! :-\
Unless it's Liefeld. Then you know the comic will have the worst feet.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 21, 2018, 03:15:29 AM
I don't like the idea of trying to find out what the worst thing is in most cases. Especially artists' work. Such an internetty trolly thing to aim for.
Top 10 worst cars!
Top ten worst haircuts!
Top 10 worst dressed people!
Egads! :-\
But its totally fine to shit on the movies we don't like I guess?
Quote from: Nostromo on Nov 20, 2018, 07:04:53 PM
WILLIAM GIBSON'S ALIEN 3 #3 Variant....worst variant cover of the year award?
Why can't Tristan Jones draw every Variant cover :(
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/3003-265/William-Gibsons-Alien-3-3-Daniel-Warren-Johnson-Variant-Cover
https://www.darkhorse.com/Search/aliens
It's a bit ACM'y with the thighs being the most obvious.
But it's by no means the worst variant cover-
I don't even think it's bad.
Why is it that you dislike it so much? I'm curious.
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 21, 2018, 08:21:07 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 21, 2018, 03:15:29 AM
I don't like the idea of trying to find out what the worst thing is in most cases. Especially artists' work. Such an internetty trolly thing to aim for.
Top 10 worst cars!
Top ten worst haircuts!
Top 10 worst dressed people!
Egads! :-\
But its totally fine to shit on the movies we don't like I guess?
Let's be grown-ups please. People are allowed to dislike or like films.
Personally, I don't think it's a particularly bad cover. It's not my favourite but I don't think it's the worse.
i think it's decently drawn, just not all that imaginative
Yeah.
I don't mind that cover, but I liked the more simplistic cover of just he face hugger coming out of the egg that I got.
It just "fits" better for me for some reason.
I prefer the regular cover because they look more premium.
Just finished reading the first issue, impressed so far. Only niggle is it's possibly a bit short, but that's mainly me being impatient. :)
Spoiler
Glad they got rid of the magic xenos on the Sulaco, no way they could have satisfactorily explained their presence.
That's one of the things that was fixed in the second draft Gibson did.
The Bishop egg thing doesn't quite work for me either, though.
The best fix would have just been a stray facehugger or two on board the ship. No need to show any eggs. Assembly Cut minus the shot of the egg would about cover it.
got my copies of issue 1 normal and variant covers on Tuesday! absolutely loved it! i swear i went thru the issue in 30 seconds lol (at least it felt that way)... cant wait for issue 2!!!! :D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2018, 03:22:54 PM
The Bishop egg thing doesn't quite work for me either, though.
The best fix would have just been a stray facehugger or two on board the ship. No need to show any eggs. Assembly Cut minus the shot of the egg would about cover it.
Yeah, probably would have made more sense. Not a fan of anything alien being on board the Sulaco tbh, but a stowaway facehugger (a proper one, none of this royal nonsense) makes more sense than a magic egg or one that grows from Bishop.
The Royal Facehugger design is rad, take it back.
I'm with Old One. The royal face hugger is great
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2018, 03:22:54 PMThe Bishop egg thing doesn't quite work for me either, though.
The script was a lot more specific on it having developed from small amounts of stuff the Queen left on Bishop when she impaled him. Didn't think the comic was so clear on that.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 28, 2018, 09:42:01 PMThe script was a lot more specific on it having developed from small amounts of stuff the Queen left on Bishop when she impaled him. Didn't think the comic was so clear on that.
still got what... 4 more issues left for them to hash that detail out?
Random facehuggers just crawling around without explanation is supposed to make sense?
Yes.
I don't have to think about it for more than 30 seconds to go:
"Yeah of course a Facehugger or two jumped aboard with the Queen."
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 29, 2018, 01:03:17 AM
Random facehuggers just crawling around without explanation is supposed to make sense?
Not really. But by the same token, none of the premises for Aliens being on the Sulaco made much sense. The egg in Bishop's guts probably makes a little sense.
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2018, 01:11:39 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 29, 2018, 01:03:17 AM
Random facehuggers just crawling around without explanation is supposed to make sense?
Not really. But by the same token, none of the premises for Aliens being on the Sulaco made much sense. The egg in Bishop's guts probably makes a little sense.
I can buy that the Queen squirted some goo that grew an egg in Bishop's guts.
I think issue two will have more of an explanation from the different science teams examining the genetic material.
I can't because he's inorganic.
Stowaway Facehuggers not revealing themselves during the chaos of the Sulaco decompression,
as a risk versus reward evaluation- I can believe.
Not when there's three readily accessible hosts - one of whom is a child and the another comatose.
Even more readily accessible when they're asleep.
(& They're out of the area they know will blow them into space at a moment's notice.)
Which all worked out well.
I haven't read the comic yet, but I assume that the artwork alone makes the origin of the egg far more obvious than it was in the movie we actually got.
It's very obvious where it is. I think the narrative handles the how of it later.
4th issue is up.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/11/21/dark-horse-comics-february-2019-solicits/
(https://previewsworld.com/SiteImage/CatalogImage/STL108771?type=1)
Spoiler
QuoteThis is the official adaptation of the original screenplay for Alien 3, written by William Gibson, the award-winning science fiction author of the cyberpunk cult classic Neuromancer. You'll see familiar characters and places-but not all is the same in this horrifying Cold War thriller!
Suddenly, both the Rodina and Sulaco find themselves in a state of complete chaos, as the controlled environments go completely awry. When Hicks, Spence, and crew attempt to take matters into their own hands by expelling the Xenomorph embryos, they find that they may be too late.
In Shops: Feb 13, 2019
(https://previewsworld.com/SiteImage/CatalogImage/STL108772?type=1)
Variant by B Moore
That cover is creepy af. I love it.
The variant....not so much...
I can't freaking wait to see what
Spoiler
the Change
looks like on the page. Something like that, I imagine!
I really love the standard covers to this series.
Yeah, same. I love the uniform, minimalist design.
Gonna have to try and get a regular copy of the first issue at some point to replace the variant I ended up with.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 03:26:47 PM
I can't freaking wait to see what
Spoiler
the Change
looks like on the page. Something like that, I imagine!
Spoiler
The Hybrid better not have a goddamn skull. >:(
I'm just hoping we get to see more of the scale of Anchorpoint from the first draft. The comic cutting the second draft's monorail in favor of having Jackson just walk down a hallway doesn't bode well, though. However, I'm willing to admit I could be wrong.
I love the cover, despise the concept.
I'd much rather they were straight up "Neomorphs" in the story. If not in design, then in function.
True microwave Aliens, easier and faster to produce but less intelligent and prone to defects.
Which would explain why the Aliens don't just propogate like that in general, because it creates an inferior spawn.
But still a useful tool to work towards generating a "real" Alien, via eggmorphing if there's no pure Aliens left.
For instance.
I've always had a hard time picturing the skin shedding idea. Weirdly enough, I have an easier time with Red's transformation scene.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 30, 2018, 04:46:27 AM
I've always had a hard time picturing the skin shedding idea. Weirdly enough, I have an easier time with Red's transformation scene.
Yeah, don't really get how it works myself. Kind of brings an element of the Thing into the Alien universe.
The 'face' cover looks like an old 1980s horror movie poster.
I dig.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 30, 2018, 04:35:42 AMI'm just hoping we get to see more of the scale of Anchorpoint from the first draft. The comic cutting the second draft's monorail in favor of having Jackson just walk down a hallway doesn't bode well, though. However, I'm willing to admit I could be wrong.
Anchorpoint in both scripts came across as pretty huge (albeit unfinished in the second draft), whereas in the comic it seemed to me like it was merely a small outpost.
I really did love the visual of the uncompleted station in that second draft.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Nov 30, 2018, 08:30:24 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 30, 2018, 04:46:26 AM
I've always had a hard time picturing the skin shedding idea. Weirdly enough, I have an easier time with Red's transformation scene.
Yeah, don't really get how it works myself. Kind of brings an element of the Thing into the Alien universe.
It makes the Alien too viral IMO, and makes me think they don't have control
over their own morphology if they couldn't use this ability at Hadley's Hope.
Which I don't like at all.
The sudden left turn in their reproductive process is that main thing I dislike about Gibson's script.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2018, 04:11:00 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 03:26:47 PM
I can't freaking wait to see what
Spoiler
the Change
looks like on the page. Something like that, I imagine!
Spoiler
The Hybrid better not have a goddamn skull. >:(
Spoiler
It's gonna be a big, flashy, prominent skull that'll haunt your dreams.
Spoiler
In fairness, the skull in this context would actually make a lot of sense, given that they're literally people turning directly into Aliens.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 01:13:02 PM
4th issue is up.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/11/21/dark-horse-comics-february-2019-solicits/
(https://previewsworld.com/SiteImage/CatalogImage/STL108771?type=1)
Spoiler
QuoteThis is the official adaptation of the original screenplay for Alien 3, written by William Gibson, the award-winning science fiction author of the cyberpunk cult classic Neuromancer. You'll see familiar characters and places-but not all is the same in this horrifying Cold War thriller!
Suddenly, both the Rodina and Sulaco find themselves in a state of complete chaos, as the controlled environments go completely awry. When Hicks, Spence, and crew attempt to take matters into their own hands by expelling the Xenomorph embryos, they find that they may be too late.
In Shops: Feb 13, 2019
(https://previewsworld.com/SiteImage/CatalogImage/STL108772?type=1)
Variant by B Moore
Definitely not as...extreme as what I was expecting, or was used to from the script. Although I suppose they couldn't slap that on a cover and get away with it. Still, it's interesting. I hope there's a big ol' skull under there. I'm sure Local does too. ;D
You think the new breed is going to be actual hybrids or somewhat regular alien warriors?
Hope it is hybrids. A regular normal warrior makes no sense with that origin. Or less sense :P
His second draft made it pretty clear the Changeliens weren't the same as regular Aliens, especially in the scene where
Spoiler
the two types fight.
From memory, the first draft was a bit more ambiguous about it, except in the case of the Queen, who's described as looking kinda different.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 10, 2018, 03:13:24 PM
His second draft made it pretty clear the Changeliens weren't the same as regular Aliens, especially in the scene where Spoiler
the two types fight.
From memory, the first draft was a bit more ambiguous about it, except in the case of the Queen, who's described as looking kinda different.
Yeah you are right. Has been a while since I read it.
Of all of the unused drafts for Alien 3, I always where most into David Twohy's take. It felt quite inspired.
That's my favourite too. Other than an anti-climactic ending, I think it's pretty good.
Twohy's was a great one. I preferred Gibson's 2nd draft but after that it was Twohy's. I'd love to see that adapted too.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2018, 09:06:00 AM
That's my favourite too. Other than an anti-climactic ending, I think it's pretty good.
And the hilarious bit where 99% of the prison gets sucked out into space. :laugh:
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 11, 2018, 10:19:00 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2018, 09:06:00 AM
That's my favourite too. Other than an anti-climactic ending, I think it's pretty good.
And the hilarious bit where 99% of the prison gets sucked out into space. :laugh:
Hahaha still a funny bit.
Review for #2
http://fanbasepress.com/index.php/press/reviews/item/9544-alien-3-the-unproduced-screenplay-2-advance-comic-book-review-the-survivors-would-envy-the-dead?
Some spoilers.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrQlGlEHk8Z/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=lkf18jwi1vqe
Man. This was great. Lots of world building here and the art is great.
Feels very cinematic, as it should being a visualisation of the screenplay.
I find it really ironic how the ideas from this screenplay really work well with the new lore added by Prometheus and Covenant.
Again, I really enjoyed the second issue. As stated it's still moving forward with the set-up but I do like they've allowed this and not condescended down into 4 issues. I am loving seeing all of this visualized.
I'm not sure if my shop didn't put them out...or just straight up ran out of issues yesterday. I'm hoping they'll have issue 2 this weekend at some point
I have my copy ordered. Can't wait.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Dec 13, 2018, 01:05:20 PM
I'm not sure if my shop didn't put them out...or just straight up ran out of issues yesterday. I'm hoping they'll have issue 2 this weekend at some point
Ask them to add to your Pull List. You wont miss out then.
My place apparently sold out of #1. So I'm glad to hear it's doing well.
my copies shipped out today! should have them Monday or Tuesday :D super excited to read issue 2!
Another nice set up issue, cant wait for the pay off to come.
I liked the art at first but by the end of this issue its feeling a bit bland.
Overall its got me pretty hooked. I know the story via script summaries and discussion but have not actually read the script.
I've said several times how I love the standard covers for this, but that is freaking awesome.
Yah, it's really good. That's what an alien would look like in a metropolitan environment under neon lights...
It definitely makes me think of a Blade Runner crossover.
All that neon is what would happen if a facehugger attached itself to a Tron character.
Just finished issue two. I'm really enjoying this so far. I still find the line "Screw Fox" to be hilarious in a meta sense.
Should hopefully finally get my copy of issue 2 tomorrow!
Are there 4 issues in total? Seems like a lot of setup and not much from the main characters.
I believe it's five issues.
Does anyone else think the art is a bit bland?
It doesn't really push the envelope, but it does carry the narrative forward. The blandness may coincide with a lot of the exposition that is going on. We'll see if it picks up pace once the proverbial shit hits the fan.
The colors aren't very controlled. I'm not seeing much atmosphere created. We'll see how it all plays itself out.
Considering how I normally find comics unbearably rushed, I'm liking the slow buildup to this.
And assuming this is based on the second draft (as it appears to be), it took a while before any Alien stuff really kicked off in the script, too.
The pacing is fine. I'm liking it too. The comment was about the art, which I don't particularly have an issue with. It's just not hitting it's stride yet until we see aliens.
Quote from: Wweyland on Dec 24, 2018, 10:27:20 PM
Are there 4 issues in total? Seems like a lot of setup and not much from the main characters.
It's a 5 issue run, otherwise I would agree with you. But I'm liking that they're giving the script time to get set up without condensing the story.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 25, 2018, 03:00:48 PMThe pacing is fine. I'm liking it too. The comment was about the art, which I don't particularly have an issue with. It's just not hitting it's stride yet until we see aliens.
Comment wasn't necessarily directed at you, just speaking generally :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 26, 2018, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 25, 2018, 03:00:48 PMThe pacing is fine. I'm liking it too. The comment was about the art, which I don't particularly have an issue with. It's just not hitting it's stride yet until we see aliens.
Comment wasn't necessarily directed at you, just speaking generally :)
Oh no! There I thought we were adding a response to the conversation in sequence and broadly to anyone else reading, as per normal procedure. Anyway thanks for the clarification. :)
i quite like the art... and i just pre-ordered both issues of #5 today ;) along with issues 2 and 3 (both variant covers) of Aliens: Resistance
non stop comics for months!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
The art is good, but I do think that certain moments could have used bigger panels. The eco module feels very cramped, for example, despite looking bigger than I'd imagined from the script.
Alien and Aliens are immaculately designed. The designs in this are generic. No memorable spaceships, props or character designs. And there is little effort to create atmosphere through the use of colour and shadows. It's pretty basic.
Very true. I was hoping for some Ron Cobb/Sydmeadesque future visuals. Perhaps it would even benefit from a more old school approach in drawing as well. Like something from the earliest aliens comics.
Denis would have been perfect.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2019, 11:10:27 PM
Denis would have been perfect.
I'd save him for an adapt of Ward's story
The script was a boring read and it is making for a boring comic book.
Alien/Aliens/Alien3/Resurrection/Prometheus/Covenant all have a very distinct look and aesthetic and so far this comic just looks so.... boring and cheap and unimaginative. The aesthetic here is just generic scifi..
Poor.
James Stokoe or Tristran Jones would be much better choices
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 04, 2019, 12:01:35 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2019, 11:10:27 PM
Denis would have been perfect.
I'd save him for an adapt of Ward's story
I don't know about that. I think he's best at replicating the look and feel of the first two films (which is exactly what this series needs), but Ward's Alien 3 lacks most of those trappings.
Preview for issue 3 is up at Dark Horse
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/3002-526/William-Gibsons-Alien-3-3
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 04, 2019, 12:28:24 PM
The script was a boring read and it is making for a boring comic book.
Sadly so.
It's not like the Alien 3 we got was riveting.
No, Alien³ was riveting.
You must have seen a different cut than I did.
Alien³ Special Edition. ;D
Did it flesh out the prisoners and fix the pacing issues?
I think aside from the performances of the actors-
I believe that honestly,
the prisoners being faceless was kinda the point.
From Ripley's perspective- how many people die
before they all start blurring together?
Dead before the half-way mark.
Personally, I think the cast of Andrews, 85, Clemens, Dillion, Morse, Golic, David, Junior,
Bishop, Michael Bishop-
have as much personality as Burke, Bishop, Gorman, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez,
Apone, Drake-
and some of the minor characters are more believable-
I think in terms of performance, Rains, Boggs, Jude, Gregor, Murphy, Frank-
I could tell you what they were like as a person,
in the same way I could with the naturalistic performances of the crew of the Nostromo.
As opposed to Frost, Crowe, Spunkmeyer, Ferro-
Which I only remember because of people aping their funny lines for years.
But I don't know anything about them as people;
or remember them apart from those lines, except someone doesn't like cornbread.
Honest to God, I don't see any pacing issues with A3-
although I only have watched the Special Edition for years now-
it's by far my most "comfy" Alien film.
I love Alien 3 but I do understand why it can be a bit of a slog for some people.
They just don't get it though.
I'm sure they get a bunch of bald faceless nameless guys swearing at each other in the dark enough to realise it's not their cup of tea.
Cameron dealt in stereotypes but they were memorable stereotypes. Giler and Hill didn't bother identifying a stack of their characters.
Yeah, even as someone who loves the third film, there's no denying I can only tell most of the supporting characters apart because they're played by British actors I recognise from all the TV series they've been in.
The suggestion these faceless inmates are somehow more memorable than the supporting guys in
Aliens is frankly a little daft.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 04, 2019, 11:22:25 PMAs opposed to Frost, Crowe, Spunkmeyer, Ferro-
Which I only remember because of people aping their funny lines for years.
Exactly.
I don't see anyone endlessly quoting William or Jude.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 05, 2019, 11:21:54 AM
I don't see anyone endlessly quoting William or Jude.
"Dillon. Help Me!" ;D
Aw I dunno. I drop in 'Over to E everybody!' into casual conservations all the time and everyone chuckles at that old chestnut.
Thing with Alien 3 is Boggs, Rains and Murphy are all dead before their names are mentioned. Jude is named seconds before he dies. William, Eric and Troy are never named. There's a pretty clear in joke at how faceless they all are when Aaron can't even remember David's name, and it's the sole time it rates a mention. (Theatrical Cut speaking - in some instances with Murphy and Troy they do get named before they die).
Cameron avoided that by constantly having characters named in dialogue, and directly avoids confusion between two characters whose names start with H, by having Gorman mistake them. That he most of them have something resembling a personality.
The only reason I know half the Alien 3 cast is because I've seen them most of my days on British TV. You really have to squint to make Alien 3 work as a movie. And y'know, that's absolutely fine. Some works are really worth squinting at. I wouldn't insist that other viewers aren't looking at the film right, though. It's clearly a mess.
Issue #5 hits on March 13th.
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Quote from: The Old One on Jan 04, 2019, 11:22:25 PM
I think aside from the performances of the actors-
I believe that honestly,
the prisoners being faceless was kinda the point.
From Ripley's perspective- how many people die
before they all start blurring together?
Dead before the half-way mark.
Personally, I think the cast of Andrews, 85, Clemens, Dillion, Morse, Golic, David, Junior,
Bishop, Michael Bishop-
have as much personality as Burke, Bishop, Gorman, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez,
Apone, Drake-
and some of the minor characters are more memorable-
I think in terms of performance, Rains, Boggs, Jude, Gregor, Murphy, Frank-
I could tell you what they were like as a person,
in the same way I could with the naturalistic performances of the crew of the Nostromo.
As opposed to Frost, Crowe, Spunkmeyer, Ferro-
Which I only remember because of people aping their funny lines for years.
But I don't know anything about them as people;
or remember them apart from those lines, except someone doesn't like cornbread.
Honest to God, I don't see any pacing issues with A3-
although I only have watched the Special Edition for years now-
it's by far my most "comfy" Alien film.
I don't think Alien 3 has pacing issues. It's really an excellent film, especially considering it's development woes. It's problem lies in its relationship to the previous film. But even when Alien 3 is deservedly retconned at some point in the future, I will still watch it and enjoy it as a curious alternate timeline.
As if its inevitable lol :laugh:
An A3 retcon has become your schtick.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2019, 03:06:39 PM
As if its inevitable lol :laugh:
An A3 retcon has become your schtick.
It always was.
My intro into the series was in 1986 and then the subsequent comics so that's why. It's my definitive Aliens moment.
It's all in good fun. ;)
Neill Blomkamp's let go of the idea,
which if he is being genuine-
means that it's more likely
the opposite of inevitable.
& You, and everyone else
in support of the idea;
should let it go.
Apologies
Memorable Believable.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 02:56:09 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 04, 2019, 11:22:25 PM
I think aside from the performances of the actors-
I believe that honestly,
the prisoners being faceless was kinda the point.
From Ripley's perspective- how many people die
before they all start blurring together?
Dead before the half-way mark.
Personally, I think the cast of Andrews, 85, Clemens, Dillion, Morse, Golic, David, Junior,
Bishop, Michael Bishop-
have as much personality as Burke, Bishop, Gorman, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez,
Apone, Drake-
and some of the minor characters are more memorable-
I think in terms of performance, Rains, Boggs, Jude, Gregor, Murphy, Frank-
I could tell you what they were like as a person,
in the same way I could with the naturalistic performances of the crew of the Nostromo.
As opposed to Frost, Crowe, Spunkmeyer, Ferro-
Which I only remember because of people aping their funny lines for years.
But I don't know anything about them as people;
or remember them apart from those lines, except someone doesn't like cornbread.
Honest to God, I don't see any pacing issues with A3-
although I only have watched the Special Edition for years now-
it's by far my most "comfy" Alien film.
I don't think Alien 3 has pacing issues. It's really an excellent film, especially considering it's development woes. It's problem lies in its relationship to the previous film. But even when Alien 3 is deservedly retconned at some point in the future, I will still watch it and enjoy it as a curious alternate timeline.
The Special Edition spins its wheels too long with 'the Company wants the Alien - oh no they don't' stuff.
I've seen the movie lots of times so maybe I'm desensitized, but it strikes me as imperceptible.
Did the restoration of the Golic subplot completely redeem Alien 3?
Golic is only half human. On his mother's side.
I can never tell if you're being serious or not Local Trouble.
"The big mothaf**ker will eat you alive."
Is a worthy addition. ;D
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 11:46:06 PM
I've seen the movie lots of times so maybe I'm desensitized, but it strikes me as imperceptible.
They have the same conversation like four times in the SE. Some are mercifully cut from the TC.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2017, 08:46:43 PM
Anyone who frequents this forum likes to be told the same thing over and over.
C'mon people, this isn't a thread about a crappy travesty of a film... ::)
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jan 06, 2019, 01:35:00 AM
C'mon people...
Yeah you're right, it's about Alien 3.
Quote from: SM on Jan 06, 2019, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 11:46:06 PM
I've seen the movie lots of times so maybe I'm desensitized, but it strikes me as imperceptible.
They have the same conversation like four times in the SE. Some are mercifully cut from the TC.
I'd say the additions more than make up for the repetitions.
Only as novelty value.
No, I believe the AC is genuinely superior for a number of reasons-
But I doubt anything will change your mind on the subject.
It has all of the same problems plus a new one -- an excessive run time!
It wasn't meant to be a "better" version, just a "here's some stuff you missed". It's got a lot of fat still on it that would have always hit the cutting room floor. It's an interesting novelty, but doesn't actually fix the things that made A3 so poorly received.
The AC works for me. From start to finish, I'm entertained. I just watched some of the theatrical cut for the first time since I was a kid, and felt it lacking severely. The AC feels like the film Alien 3 was meant to be. It never feels slow or bloated to me. It's a gothic feast in hell, and I love every d*mn second of it.
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 06, 2019, 07:59:05 AM
The AC works for me.
And ain't anyone gonna try to argue otherwise :P
Quote from: SiL on Jan 06, 2019, 08:04:51 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 06, 2019, 07:59:05 AM
The AC works for me.
And ain't anyone gonna try to argue otherwise :P
Well it's a good thing, cause my mind's made up baby! :laugh:
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 07:27:12 AM
No, I believe the AC is genuinely superior for a number of reasons-
I want a comprehensive list.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 07:27:12 AM
No, I believe the AC is genuinely superior for a number of reasons-
Hear hear.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 06, 2019, 01:17:20 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2017, 08:46:43 PM
Anyone who frequents this forum likes to be told the same thing over and over.
I agree with the quote, but I have to ask - do you keep a running list of your own posts that you know you're going to reference in the future at opportune moments, or did you genuinely dig through your own post history to find that particular post because you remembered that you made it, a year and a half ago? :P
I mean either one is impressive and funny to me (for different reasons), but I'm genuinely curious.
It's a combination of deja vu followed by a quick search of a keyword that I vaguely recall using.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 07:27:12 AM
No, I believe the AC is genuinely superior for a number of reasons-
But I doubt anything will change your mind on the subject.
You're right.
I've heard pretty much every reason and they generally amount to 'I like the Special Edition more'. I would honestly love it if someone said 'you've missed the relevance of x' and had a convincing argument.
Even the odd bit which vaguely hints at them attempting some depth - like Ripley helping her would-be rapists during the fire - is undermined by the fact Junior lacks a name and is complete non-entity until he tries to rape Ripley. He, David and Gregor are Dillon's chief 'lieutenants' - until the rape and Junior and Gregor are banished to a table far from Dillon. Yet they maybe have 10 lines between them for the entire film. Nothing's ever done with could be an interesting concept with the hierarchy. Having everyone bald and dirty and violent criminals is a shotgun to the foot if you want to try and redeem them.
SiL sums it up perfectly above - it doesn't fix any of the problems with the Theatrical Version.
While on the subject of Alien 3 I'd love to see David Fincher come back for a Final Cut using the extra footage seen in the Assembly Cut but with the dog-burster scene and the Queen chestburster emerging from Ripley as she falls into the molten lead. The main selling point though - Updated cgi for the 'mo-motion' of the Runner Alien.
I personally prefer Ripley falling and no chestburster.
Ive always been a sucker for a good chestbursting and that queenburster was really cool. Ripley took it like a champ though lol.
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Jan 06, 2019, 11:39:20 AM
While on the subject of Alien 3 I'd love to see David Fincher come back for a Final Cut using the extra footage seen in the Assembly Cut but with the dog-burster scene and the Queen chestburster emerging from Ripley as she falls into the molten lead. The main selling point though - Updated cgi for the 'mo-motion' of the Runner Alien.
Think he'd rather hack off his todger with a rusty knife, tbh.
Just got finished with issue #2. Really enjoying this so far, though I kind of wish I'd been able to wait until the whole thing was out... :)
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Jan 06, 2019, 11:39:20 AM
While on the subject of Alien 3 I'd love to see David Fincher come back for a Final Cut using the extra footage seen in the Assembly Cut but with the dog-burster scene and the Queen chestburster emerging from Ripley as she falls into the molten lead. The main selling point though - Updated cgi for the 'mo-motion' of the Runner Alien.
Then it wouldn't be a final cut. Fincher wanted the no chestburster ending.
The only way we'd get a proper Fincher version of Alien 3 is if they started writing again from page 1.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 06, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 07:27:12 AM
No, I believe the AC is genuinely superior for a number of reasons-
I want a comprehensive list.
Seeing Clemens walk alone, immediately establishes him as a loner to the audience-
even amongst "his own people" -the imagery of Ripley covered in oil and insects also;
immediately defines both the idea that nothing is sacred here and
she's covered in insects. It's beautiful cinematography. Beautiful location establishment. Heroic.
Seeing Andrews type reflected in the monitor both establishes him as an authority figure
and the overseer before he utters a word.
The ADR works better here with the overhead shot of the EEV,
because now it makes sense that what
Frank says sounds like it's coming from a distance;
rather than the camera being right up in his face.
(I know the EEV is upside down in this shot, but I'm going to say it doesn't matter
as it's honestly hard to tell each side from the other as they lack many defining features,
especially when covered in debris.)
As for the rest of the opening, I just like it better because it's kinder to Newt-
it means that we're on the same page regarding Newt with Ripley because
Clemens could be telling the truth about her drowning in her cryotube unawares.
(Additionally, personally: I prefer to think he is.)
(The shots of Bishop and Hicks are rad too.)
The message confirmation- (I don't think it's in the theatrical release)
is a minor detail that establishes that these aren't just the facility's
private records but that a link with
a company or government exists.
No "Who would do this to a dog?"
Almost tongue-in cheek line.
Otherwise I must conclude the dog version's superior-
if only for the shot of the dog barking at the Facehugger.
(And the fact the opening shows a regular Facehugger
on REDACTED's face, it's simpler to conclude that there
are two stowaway Facehuggers. With the Egg shot omitted.)"Was she your Daughter?"
"No."
I think is also particularly poignant and worth keeping,
because it adds the additional layer of the idea-
that not only is Ripley grieving but she isn't entitled to her grief;
which makes sense in the following scene when Kevin asks
"What is she doing?" Because Ripley's behaviour is strange
if she was Newt's mother, but now additionally so to Clemens
as he is aware she's not in-fact her mother.
Which adds another layer to their interactions and
Clemens' reluctance in the autopsy.
In this version where Golic has a pivotal role to play;
The scene between Rains, Boggs, Golic and Dillon is important.
Not for Rains and Boggs' sake, although this scene certainly
gives you better insight into their personalities through their
excellent naturalistic performances- but for Dillon and Golic.
It establishes for the latter two a relationship, despite
the fact Dillon is clearly the leader- Golic makes people
uneasy to the point they both openly question his sanity.
Dillon defends Golic, even patting him on the shoulder
as he leaves. This is setup for Golic's "arc" in the story,
importantly it also establishes Dillon's care for Golic so
the "He's never lied to me! He's crazy, he's a fool but he's not a liar!"
doesn't come out of nowhere.
"As I thought, Mr. Aaron. As I thought." "You called it, sir."
Not immensely important, but good for character.
"Why we're waiting for God to return- and raise his servants to redemption."
I think this and it's musical cue is particularly important, because
it's prefaced with "What are you waiting for?" Ripley's used to rape and death-
by this point, but Dillon shows that's not all he is.
(I'd sound pretentious if I rambled on any longer about this conversation,
suffice to say; I think it highlights the themes of the film in an important way.)
"I've been out here a long time."
"So have I."
Reciprocation people, important for any relationship. ;D
"I think you owe me an answer. Being in my bed's got nothing to do with it."
Further establishes Clemens as a good, decent person- and intelligent.
Which is good because it means his demise has extra sting.
For both Ripley and the audience.
This is someone she could've opened up to and the moment she dies-
or is about to "You first." The Alien takes that from her, like it takes everything.
"Light a candle for Murphy."
Murphy being good to Golic is a nice little additional detail that adds to his estrangement.
"You screw with me one more time I'll cut you in half."
This is an interesting addition, not for the above quoted line as that's in both versions-
But for the idea that Andrews doesn't want Aaron to see the dissention in the ranks.
Or for the prisoners to know that the relationship between Clemens and Andrews is tepid at best.
Further reinforcing "I don't want ripples in the water." Not for anyone's safety but his own.
Not including Aaron in on the conversation is an indication of why Aaron has the warped view
of Andrews as a good man that he does, when to me this calls into question Andrew's trustworthiness.
"She told me she was part of a combat unit that came to grief, beyond that I assume it's all classified. I haven't pressed her for more."
It's cool that the events of Aliens are both acknowledged and an indication of some real trust Ripley has with Clemens.
Or trust issues depending upon what way you interpret that. (Maybe I just like the line on this one lol.)
"CIGARETTES!"
(Setup)
Eric dropping the plates, sets up that he's prone to break down under pressure-
just like he does when he sets the piston off prematurely later on.
I also like, just personally that Golic is found doing something mundane.
It echoes a serial killer's derangement of treating their acts as though it were any other day.
The tension is much, much superior with the extended version of the Dragon sneaking up
on Clemens and Ripley, with Golic squirming in fear.
"Magnificent." (This is a good, short homage to "Perfect Organism" IMO-
Showing that awe has completely overthrown fear in Golic's mind.)
The shot of the inside of the vent, covered in blood-
whilist Jude mops up is not only a fantastic shot but
is a direct through line to much of the cinematography
and language of the film. The prisoners, the humans-
generally are always filmed from below.
Yet Ripley and the Alien fall from the sky,
with the first three times (Boggs and Rains) Golic,
the Clemens, then Andrews- the Alien descends
from above, from above the dirty existence of the prisoners.
The film's visual language is strengthened by this shot.
And it leads perfectly into what's literally being said;
"The apocalypse is upon us! Let us be ready!
Let your mercy be just!"
"Sounds good to me."
Morse is blaming Ripley, and I think this is good insight
on her state of mind because it shows that maybe she
does blame herself, for the deaths of everyone she couldn't save.
In this way "Morse... Why don't you shut the f**k up?"
Has more poignancy because IMO- he's not just speaking to Morse-
but also Ripley, mirroring later on when Ripley wants to die
but Dillon refuses to let her, because unless both Aliens are dead;
her sacrifice would be totally in vain and bullshit-
then it's more suicide than sacrifice.
Arthur and Troy checking through batteries.
"Nothing much works here!"
"No video surveillance, no f**king ice-cream!"
(I imagine this is one of the repetitions SM refers to but, I must say;
show don't tell is a rule of film and this scene shows.)
The extra footage of the quinitricetyline plan makes sense,
because in this version it actually has a payoff.
More Dillon caring for Ripley in this version, that's good-
not only does it reinforce the relationship between them
and endear us to Dillon but it's a nice little hint at the "reveal."
Visually there's a fantastic addition in that Ripley
helps two of the inmates that attempted to rape her,
Junior whom we can distinguish from his teardrop tattoo
most importantly, sees Ripley doing something for her fellow
man regardless of what happened earlier.
This with guilt, obviously inspires him to take the action he does
and give his life for those of his fellow man.
"Oh Jesus, this makes ten."
Is removed and rightfully so,
I don't believe Dillon would say this
even if the operation was a failure.
The speech honouring them is much more fitting.
For Dillon's character and the bittersweet note
that this sequence ends on.
It's also worth noting that the conversation here
where Aaron doesn't believe in or respect the beliefs
of the prisoners, and Aaron leaving the prisoner
he was with to burn- is part of Aaron's arc
that leads him from "A Company man" to hitting
Michael Bishop over the back of the head with a wrench.
As well as the W-Y transmission's introduction
as foremost the new main problem.
"Permission denied."
Importantly confirms W-Y's intentions to the audience
and the characters.
"No more cigarettes for you."
(CIGARETTES payoff.)
The influence of the Alien,
has completely overthrown Golic's reason at this point,
the film even infers this visually with a reference to a horror classic;
Bela Lugosi's Dracula as Golic's eyes are highlighted before he's dispatched.
f**king fantastic.
"Dillon we've got a teeny weeny problem..."
Then importantly:
Morse's failure to contain Golic is addressed-
as it logically would be.
"Well, I'm out of ideas!"
With Ripley's "morning sickness" cropping up
one final time, third time's the charm.
Ripley disappears, disillusioned-
She finds out about the Queen.
Our heroes are now at their lowest point.
(Which wouldn't have happened had sacrifices not been made
and the creature not been captured in the first place.)
Not only has Ripley lost everyone close to her,
the Alien is loose again and there's two ticking time bombs-
W-Y and the one inside her chest.
Morse's epiphany;
When he remembers the Alien is afraid of fire.
Let's make it to the furnace.
I believe this is important because it's as The Fifth Element would say;
A little light of life, it's a moment of hope the film desperately needs.
The descent between the prisoners reminds me of the
"Parker. Shut up!" scene in Alien, in regards to how they
could possibly kill the Alien. You could take it or leave it.
But I wouldn't leave it.
"I was violated. And now I get to be mother of the year."
In addition to what I said earlier on this scene,
it raises the stakes because the implication is that
if this thing gets off Fiorina 161- not Earth,
not humanity, but all life, is at stake-
"wipe out the whole universe" & I believe it,
because this is Sigourney Weaver's best performance.
"This is as good a place as any to take our first steps to Heaven".
The extended speech and score is superior, no explanation required.
(The shot of Aaron looking in the mirror should've stayed.)
For obvious character arc reasons.
Before the chase & bait begins,
there's several tiny scenes showing how the different prisoners
react to their situation, I think that's fairly appropriate-
to get you aqquainted with where everyone is in the tunnels.
Rather than one scene of David criticising the plan.
Although- why not both?
"I think I've found Vincent!"
Speaks for itself doesn't it? lol
Mysterious Mark Vincent.
"Improvising!"
Not necessary but love this scene.
Especially Ripley's reaction.
"And then it's over."
"I'm not a droid!"
"No pictures!"
Included for obvious reasons.
I believe Ripley would pause for contemplation,
so I prefer her death in the AC-
although I think the "You're crazy." Line is... eh.
No chestburster
but no bad slo-mo.
More graceful fall in a cross position.
In tune with the film's thematics.
There you go.
I had ever considered the Troy/ Arthur battery scene is being repetitious, but now that you mention it - yes it is.
However it's so short and inconsequencial that it's WAY down the list of issues. The main one here is the same as so many other scenes - who are these guys?
Well, I was asked to give a list of reasons why the Special Edition's superior.
I think I've done that. (And it took f**king ages to write.)
&
I've highlighted a few people's character arcs that might've been overlooked.
Or character quirks in Eric's case for instance. That define them.
It doesn't matter that I don't know their names, I know their faces.
The problem for the vast majority of punters - not those of us who watch alternate cuts over and over - is that they don't know their faces. (Except for all the people who proclaim to be great fans of Alien 3 but still can't tell them apart).
QuoteWell, I was asked to give a list of reasons why the Special Edition's superior.
And I was responding specifically to the bit where you name checked me.
That was some list. I thought for sure it would put a crack in SM's resolve.
And if not that than the faux rhyme would drive him nuts.
Quote from: SM on Jan 06, 2019, 11:46:55 PM
The problem for the vast majority of punters - not those of us who watch alternate cuts over and over - is that they don't know their faces. (Except for all the people who proclaim to be great fans of Alien 3 but still can't tell them apart).
I don't care about the vast majority of punters who've never see the Special Edition,
I wasn't addressing them but Local Trouble.
I can tell them apart, but I couldn't tell you all of their names-
there is a difference.
I'm a wanker, not a punter.
Quote from: SM on Jan 06, 2019, 11:46:55 PM
The problem for the vast majority of punters - not those of us who watch alternate cuts over and over - is that they don't know their faces.
Counterpoint: I've seen a lot of casual viewers on other forums who...
1. didn't like 'Alien3' to begin with
2. watched both versions back to back
3. liked Alien3 but hadn't seen the extended edition
...and gave the extended edition a shot and greatly enjoyed it more than the original cut. Like, it's far and away an overwhelming opinion I've seen from casual fans or non-fans.
I've seen reasons such as better being able to tell the characters apart (simply due to them being on-screen for longer), the Golic arc having an interesting payoff (as opposed to him getting strapped down in the medical ward and then.... vanishing), the further development of Michael Bishop in his additional scenes, simply having the opportunity to drink in more of the film's atmosphere, set design, and soundtrack, preferences on the movie's opening with Clemens recovering Ripley, the list goes on and on.
Quote from: SM on Jan 06, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
I've heard pretty much every reason and they generally amount to 'I like the Special Edition more'.
That seems hilariously reductionist when people are genuinely honest-to-god giving more involved reasons than this.
Quote from: SM on Jan 06, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
SiL sums it up perfectly above - it doesn't fix any of the problems with the Theatrical Version.
Well, I mean, other than making it easier to tell a bunch of the characters apart merely by putting them on the screen more, and resolving the "Golic vanishes into thin air" thing.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2019, 01:41:35 PM
Ive always been a sucker for a good chestbursting and that queenburster was really cool. Ripley took it like a champ though lol.
Absolutely, I wasn't big on the extended edition taking out the chestbursting. The Queen Chestburster puppet is magnificent, and seeing Ripley unnecessarily clutch it to herself all the way down
just to make sure was great.
I didn't care for the bursting ending. It just felt cheesy and forced. She shouldn't have even been alive to clutch it at that point. It just felt so forced and like such blatant fan service/movie moment that it took me right out of the experience. Her just falling into the inferno flowed much better, in my opinion.
It was fan service before fan service was really a thing.
I think it was Richard Edlund who said it felt like a cheat not to include it. Fincher didn't care for it.
Agreed Huggs, and the crucifixion pose. (On the steelbook.)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2ZUAAOSwyARbLl-2/s-l640.jpg)
Is a much more appropriate final image considering the themes.
Just imagine the disappointment it was for those us who were old enough to see it when it was new and expected a worthy follow-up to Aliens.
I'd rather not. It must have been disappointing.
Given the Nihilism, and what I consider an incomplete version of the film-
chopped to hell and back, that made it to the theatres.
I have the benefit of hindsight, and as a kid-
I knew Alien, Aliens and A3 as a complete package.
There was no thought given to the idea
one entry might have been disappointing upon release.
I thought they were all cool and all entertaining.
Although, even as a kid- Resurrection felt weird.
Alien 3 only disappointed me. Resurrection infuriated me.
I read the Alien 3 novel shortly before the film came out and it was very WTF after years of more combat related comics. Then the film was different again. I made peace with it pretty quickly though.
I had Stockholm syndrome the first couple of years after its release and even defended it against the people who really hated it.
I did nothing of the sort for AR though. In fact, I nearly left the theater halfway through in impotent rage.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 07, 2019, 07:10:30 AM
I had Stockholm syndrome the first couple of years after its release and even defended it against the people who really hated it.
I had the same reaction to Prometheus. Thought there was depth where there was none.
(It might be the worst Alien film from a narrative perspective,
but it'll compete with Resurrection- depending upon my mood.)
That Damon Lindelof! (& Jon Spaihts TBF)
I stand by this;
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 12, 2018, 05:45:45 PM
Noomi Rapace truly was wasted, she's a phenomenal actress and it's unfortunate that Prometheus never gave us a script to match.
If that had been the case I can guarantee the nostalgia craving for a Neill Blomkamp Alien film
would have never existed in the first place.
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 07, 2019, 05:41:18 AMI didn't care for the bursting ending. It just felt cheesy and forced. She shouldn't have even been alive to clutch it at that point. It just felt so forced and like such blatant fan service/movie moment that it took me right out of the experience. Her just falling into the inferno flowed much better, in my opinion.
Other than the fact the re-edit ruins the flow of Goldenthal's exquisite score, I far prefer the Chestburster-less ending. As you say, it seems kind of silly for her to just serenely clutch it to herself when Kane and everyone else has been flopping about in uncontrollable agony.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 06, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 07:27:12 AM
No, I believe the AC is genuinely superior for a number of reasons-
I want a comprehensive list.
Seeing Clemens walk alone, immediately establishes him as a loner to the audience-
even amongst "his own people" -the imagery of Ripley covered in oil and insects also;
immediately defines both the idea that nothing is sacred here and she's covered in insects.
It's beautiful cinematography. Beautiful location establishment. Heroic.
Seeing Andrews type reflected in the monitor both establishes him as an authority figure
and the overseer before he utters a word.
The ADR works better here with the overhead shot of the EEV,
because now it makes sense that what
Frank says sounds like it's coming from a distance;
rather than the camera being right up in his face.
(I know the EEV is upside down in this shot, but I'm going to say it doesn't matter
as it's honestly hard to tell each side from the other as they lack many defining features,
especially when covered in debris.)
As for the rest of the opening, I just like it better because it's kinder to Newt-
it means that we're on the same page regarding Newt with Ripley because
Clemens could be telling the truth about her drowning in her cryotube unawares.
(Additionally, personally: I prefer to think he is.)
(The shots of Bishop and Hicks are rad too.)
The message confirmation- (I don't think it's in the theatrical release)
is a minor detail that establishes that these aren't just the facility's
private records but that a link with a company or government exists.
No "Who would do this to a dog?"
Almost tongue-in cheek line.
Otherwise I must conclude the dog version's superior-
if only for the shot of the dog barking at the Facehugger.
(And the fact the opening shows a regular Facehugger
on REDACTED's face, it's simpler to conclude that there
are two stowaway Facehuggers. With the Egg shot omitted.)
"Was she your Daughter?"
"No."
I think is also particularly poignant and worth keeping,
because it adds the additional layer of the idea-
that not only is Ripley grieving but she isn't entitled to her grief;
which makes sense in the following scene when Kevin asks
"What is she doing?" Because Ripley's behaviour is strange
if she was Newt's mother, but now additionally so to Clemens
as he is aware she's not in-fact her mother.
Which adds another layer to their interactions and
Clemens' reluctance in the autopsy.
In this version where Golic has a pivotal role to play;
The scene between Rains, Boggs, Golic and Dillon is important.
Not for Rains and Boggs' sake, although this scene certainly
gives you better insight into their personalities through their
excellent naturalistic performances- but for Dillon and Golic.
It establishes for the latter two a relationship, despite
the fact Dillon is clearly the leader- Golic makes people
uneasy to the point they both openly question his sanity.
Dillon defends Golic, even patting him on the shoulder
as he leaves. This is setup for Golic's "arc" in the story,
importantly it also establishes Dillon's care for Golic so
the "He's never lied to me! He's crazy, he's a fool but he's not a liar!"
doesn't come out of nowhere.
"As I thought, Mr. Aaron. As I thought." "You called it, sir."
Not immensely important, but good for character.
"Why we're waiting for God to return- and raise his servants to redemption."
I think this and it's musical cue is particularly important, because
it's prefaced with "What are you waiting for?" Ripley's used to rape and death-
by this point, but Dillon shows that's not all he is.
(I'd sound pretentious if I rambled on any longer about this conversation,
suffice to say; I think it highlights the themes of the film in an important way.)
"I've been out here a long time."
"So have I."
Reciprocation people, important for any relationship. ;D
"I think you owe me an answer. Being in my bed's got nothing to do with it."
Further establishes Clemens as a good, decent person- and intelligent.
Which is good because it means his demise has extra sting.
For both Ripley and the audience.
This is someone she could've opened up to and the moment she dies-
or is about to "You first." The Alien takes that from her, like it takes everything.
"Light a candle for Murphy."
Murphy being good to Golic is a nice little additional detail that adds to his estrangement.
"You screw with me one more time I'll cut you in half."
This is an interesting addition, not for the above quoted line as that's in both versions-
But for the idea that Andrews doesn't want Aaron to see the dissention in the ranks.
Or for the prisoners to know that the relationship between Clemens and Andrews is tepid at best.
Further reinforcing "I don't want ripples in the water." Not for anyone's safety but his own.
Not including Aaron in on the conversation is an indication of why Aaron has the warped view
of Andrews as a good man that he does, when to me this calls into question Andrew's trustworthiness.
"She told me she was part of a combat unit that came to grief, beyond that I assume it's all classified. I haven't pressed her for more."
It's cool that the events of Aliens are both acknowledged and an indication of some real trust Ripley has with Clemens.
Or trust issues depending upon what way you interpret that. (Maybe I just like the line on this one lol.)
"CIGARETTES!"
(Setup)
Eric dropping the plates, sets up that he's prone to break down under pressure-
just like he does when he sets the piston off prematurely later on.
I also like, just personally that Golic is found doing something mundane.
It echoes a serial killer's derangement of treating their acts as though it were any other day.
The tension is much, much superior with the extended version of the Dragon sneaking up
on Clemens and Ripley, with Golic squirming in fear.
"Magnificent." (This is a good, short homage to "Perfect Organism" IMO-
Showing that awe has completely overthrown fear in Golic's mind.)
The shot of the inside of the vent, covered in blood-
whilist Jude mops up is not only a fantastic shot but
is a direct through line to much of the cinematography
and language of the film. The prisoners, the humans-
generally are always filmed from below.
Yet Ripley and the Alien fall from the sky,
with the first three times (Boggs and Rains) Golic,
the Clemens, then Andrews- the Alien descends
from above, from above the dirty existence of the prisoners.
The film's visual language is strengthened by this shot.
And it leads perfectly into what's literally being said;
"The apocalypse is upon us! Let us be ready!
Let your mercy be just!"
"Sounds good to me."
Morse is blaming Ripley, and I think this is good insight
on her state of mind because it shows that maybe she
does blame herself, for the deaths of everyone she couldn't save.
In this way "Morse... Why don't you shut the f**k up?"
Has more poignancy because IMO- he's not just speaking to Morse-
but also Ripley, mirroring later on when Ripley wants to die
but Dillon refuses to let her, because unless both Aliens are dead;
her sacrifice would be totally in vain and bullshit-
then it's more suicide than sacrifice.
Arthur and Troy checking through batteries.
"Nothing much works here!"
"No video surveillance, no f**king ice-cream!"
(I imagine this is one of the repetitions SM refers to but, I must say;
show don't tell is a rule of film and this scene shows.)
The extra footage of the quinitricetyline plan makes sense,
because in this version it actually has a payoff.
More Dillon caring for Ripley in this version, that's good-
not only does it reinforce the relationship between them
and endear us to Dillon but it's a nice little hint at the "reveal."
Visually there's a fantastic addition in that Ripley
helps two of the inmates that attempted to rape her,
Junior whom we can distinguish from his teardrop tattoo
most importantly, sees Ripley doing something for her fellow
man regardless of what happened earlier.
This with guilt, obviously inspires him to take the action he does
and give his life for those of his fellow man.
"Oh Jesus, this makes ten."
Is removed and rightfully so,
I don't believe Dillon would say this
even if the operation was a failure.
The speech honouring them is much more fitting.
For Dillon's character and the bittersweet note
that this sequence ends on.
It's also worth noting that the conversation here
where Aaron doesn't believe in or respect the beliefs
of the prisoners, and Aaron leaving the prisoner
he was with to burn- is part of Aaron's arc
that leads him from "A Company man" to hitting
Michael Bishop over the back of the head with a wrench.
As well as the W-Y transmission's introduction
as foremost the new main problem.
"Permission denied."
Importantly confirms W-Y's intentions to the audience
and the characters.
"No more cigarettes for you."
(CIGARETTES payoff.)
The influence of the Alien,
has completely overthrown Golic's reason at this point,
the film even infers this visually with a reference to a horror classic;
Bela Lugosi's Dracula as Golic's eyes are highlighted before he's dispatched.
f**king fantastic.
"Dillon we've got a teeny weeny problem..."
Then importantly:
Morse's failure to contain Golic is addressed-
as it logically would be.
"Well, I'm out of ideas!"
With Ripley's "morning sickness" cropping up
one final time, third time's the charm.
Ripley disappears, disillusioned-
She finds out about the Queen.
Our heroes are now at their lowest point.
(Which wouldn't have happened had sacrifices not been made
and the creature not been captured in the first place.)
Not only has Ripley lost everyone close to her,
the Alien is loose again and there's two ticking time bombs-
W-Y and the one inside her chest.
Morse's epiphany;
When he remembers the Alien is afraid of fire.
Let's make it to the furnace.
I believe this is important because it's as The Fifth Element would say;
A little light of life, it's a moment of hope the film desperately needs.
The descent between the prisoners reminds me of the
"Parker. Shut up!" scene in Alien, in regards to how they
could possibly kill the Alien. You could take it or leave it.
But I wouldn't leave it.
"I was violated. And now I get to be mother of the year."
In addition to what I said earlier on this scene,
it raises the stakes because the implication is that
if this thing gets off Fiorina 161- not Earth,
not humanity, but all life, is at stake-
"wipe out the whole universe" & I believe it,
because this is Sigourney Weaver's best performance.
"This is as good a place as any to take our first steps to Heaven".
The extended speech and score is superior, no explanation required.
(The shot of Aaron looking in the mirror should've stayed.)
For obvious character arc reasons.
Before the chase & bait begins,
there's several tiny scenes showing how the different prisoners
react to their situation, I think that's fairly appropriate-
to get you aqquainted with where everyone is in the tunnels.
Rather than one scene of David criticising the plan.
Although- why not both?
"I think I've found Vincent!"
Speaks for itself doesn't it? lol
Mysterious Mark Vincent.
"Improvising!"
Not necessary but love this scene.
Especially Ripley's reaction.
"And then it's over."
"I'm not a droid!"
"No pictures!"
Included for obvious reasons.
I believe Ripley would pause for contemplation,
so I prefer her death in the AC-
although I think the "You're crazy." Line is... eh.
No chestburster
but no bad slo-mo.
More graceful fall in a cross position.
In tune with the film's thematics.
There you go.
Class.
This echos my feelings about the special edition. Much prefer it.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 06, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 07:27:12 AM
No, I believe the AC is genuinely superior for a number of reasons-
I want a comprehensive list.
Seeing Clemens walk alone, immediately establishes him as a loner to the audience-
even amongst "his own people" -the imagery of Ripley covered in oil and insects also;
immediately defines both the idea that nothing is sacred here and she's covered in insects.
It's beautiful cinematography. Beautiful location establishment. Heroic.
Seeing Andrews type reflected in the monitor both establishes him as an authority figure
and the overseer before he utters a word.
The ADR works better here with the overhead shot of the EEV,
because now it makes sense that what
Frank says sounds like it's coming from a distance;
rather than the camera being right up in his face.
(I know the EEV is upside down in this shot, but I'm going to say it doesn't matter
as it's honestly hard to tell each side from the other as they lack many defining features,
especially when covered in debris.)
As for the rest of the opening, I just like it better because it's kinder to Newt-
it means that we're on the same page regarding Newt with Ripley because
Clemens could be telling the truth about her drowning in her cryotube unawares.
(Additionally, personally: I prefer to think he is.)
(The shots of Bishop and Hicks are rad too.)
The message confirmation- (I don't think it's in the theatrical release)
is a minor detail that establishes that these aren't just the facility's
private records but that a link with a company or government exists.
No "Who would do this to a dog?"
Almost tongue-in cheek line.
Otherwise I must conclude the dog version's superior-
if only for the shot of the dog barking at the Facehugger.
(And the fact the opening shows a regular Facehugger
on REDACTED's face, it's simpler to conclude that there
are two stowaway Facehuggers. With the Egg shot omitted.)
"Was she your Daughter?"
"No."
I think is also particularly poignant and worth keeping,
because it adds the additional layer of the idea-
that not only is Ripley grieving but she isn't entitled to her grief;
which makes sense in the following scene when Kevin asks
"What is she doing?" Because Ripley's behaviour is strange
if she was Newt's mother, but now additionally so to Clemens
as he is aware she's not in-fact her mother.
Which adds another layer to their interactions and
Clemens' reluctance in the autopsy.
In this version where Golic has a pivotal role to play;
The scene between Rains, Boggs, Golic and Dillon is important.
Not for Rains and Boggs' sake, although this scene certainly
gives you better insight into their personalities through their
excellent naturalistic performances- but for Dillon and Golic.
It establishes for the latter two a relationship, despite
the fact Dillon is clearly the leader- Golic makes people
uneasy to the point they both openly question his sanity.
Dillon defends Golic, even patting him on the shoulder
as he leaves. This is setup for Golic's "arc" in the story,
importantly it also establishes Dillon's care for Golic so
the "He's never lied to me! He's crazy, he's a fool but he's not a liar!"
doesn't come out of nowhere.
"As I thought, Mr. Aaron. As I thought." "You called it, sir."
Not immensely important, but good for character.
"Why we're waiting for God to return- and raise his servants to redemption."
I think this and it's musical cue is particularly important, because
it's prefaced with "What are you waiting for?" Ripley's used to rape and death-
by this point, but Dillon shows that's not all he is.
(I'd sound pretentious if I rambled on any longer about this conversation,
suffice to say; I think it highlights the themes of the film in an important way.)
"I've been out here a long time."
"So have I."
Reciprocation people, important for any relationship. ;D
"I think you owe me an answer. Being in my bed's got nothing to do with it."
Further establishes Clemens as a good, decent person- and intelligent.
Which is good because it means his demise has extra sting.
For both Ripley and the audience.
This is someone she could've opened up to and the moment she dies-
or is about to "You first." The Alien takes that from her, like it takes everything.
"Light a candle for Murphy."
Murphy being good to Golic is a nice little additional detail that adds to his estrangement.
"You screw with me one more time I'll cut you in half."
This is an interesting addition, not for the above quoted line as that's in both versions-
But for the idea that Andrews doesn't want Aaron to see the dissention in the ranks.
Or for the prisoners to know that the relationship between Clemens and Andrews is tepid at best.
Further reinforcing "I don't want ripples in the water." Not for anyone's safety but his own.
Not including Aaron in on the conversation is an indication of why Aaron has the warped view
of Andrews as a good man that he does, when to me this calls into question Andrew's trustworthiness.
"She told me she was part of a combat unit that came to grief, beyond that I assume it's all classified. I haven't pressed her for more."
It's cool that the events of Aliens are both acknowledged and an indication of some real trust Ripley has with Clemens.
Or trust issues depending upon what way you interpret that. (Maybe I just like the line on this one lol.)
"CIGARETTES!"
(Setup)
Eric dropping the plates, sets up that he's prone to break down under pressure-
just like he does when he sets the piston off prematurely later on.
I also like, just personally that Golic is found doing something mundane.
It echoes a serial killer's derangement of treating their acts as though it were any other day.
The tension is much, much superior with the extended version of the Dragon sneaking up
on Clemens and Ripley, with Golic squirming in fear.
"Magnificent." (This is a good, short homage to "Perfect Organism" IMO-
Showing that awe has completely overthrown fear in Golic's mind.)
The shot of the inside of the vent, covered in blood-
whilist Jude mops up is not only a fantastic shot but
is a direct through line to much of the cinematography
and language of the film. The prisoners, the humans-
generally are always filmed from below.
Yet Ripley and the Alien fall from the sky,
with the first three times (Boggs and Rains) Golic,
the Clemens, then Andrews- the Alien descends
from above, from above the dirty existence of the prisoners.
The film's visual language is strengthened by this shot.
And it leads perfectly into what's literally being said;
"The apocalypse is upon us! Let us be ready!
Let your mercy be just!"
"Sounds good to me."
Morse is blaming Ripley, and I think this is good insight
on her state of mind because it shows that maybe she
does blame herself, for the deaths of everyone she couldn't save.
In this way "Morse... Why don't you shut the f**k up?"
Has more poignancy because IMO- he's not just speaking to Morse-
but also Ripley, mirroring later on when Ripley wants to die
but Dillon refuses to let her, because unless both Aliens are dead;
her sacrifice would be totally in vain and bullshit-
then it's more suicide than sacrifice.
Arthur and Troy checking through batteries.
"Nothing much works here!"
"No video surveillance, no f**king ice-cream!"
(I imagine this is one of the repetitions SM refers to but, I must say;
show don't tell is a rule of film and this scene shows.)
The extra footage of the quinitricetyline plan makes sense,
because in this version it actually has a payoff.
More Dillon caring for Ripley in this version, that's good-
not only does it reinforce the relationship between them
and endear us to Dillon but it's a nice little hint at the "reveal."
Visually there's a fantastic addition in that Ripley
helps two of the inmates that attempted to rape her,
Junior whom we can distinguish from his teardrop tattoo
most importantly, sees Ripley doing something for her fellow
man regardless of what happened earlier.
This with guilt, obviously inspires him to take the action he does
and give his life for those of his fellow man.
"Oh Jesus, this makes ten."
Is removed and rightfully so,
I don't believe Dillon would say this
even if the operation was a failure.
The speech honouring them is much more fitting.
For Dillon's character and the bittersweet note
that this sequence ends on.
It's also worth noting that the conversation here
where Aaron doesn't believe in or respect the beliefs
of the prisoners, and Aaron leaving the prisoner
he was with to burn- is part of Aaron's arc
that leads him from "A Company man" to hitting
Michael Bishop over the back of the head with a wrench.
As well as the W-Y transmission's introduction
as foremost the new main problem.
"Permission denied."
Importantly confirms W-Y's intentions to the audience
and the characters.
"No more cigarettes for you."
(CIGARETTES payoff.)
The influence of the Alien,
has completely overthrown Golic's reason at this point,
the film even infers this visually with a reference to a horror classic;
Bela Lugosi's Dracula as Golic's eyes are highlighted before he's dispatched.
f**king fantastic.
"Dillon we've got a teeny weeny problem..."
Then importantly:
Morse's failure to contain Golic is addressed-
as it logically would be.
"Well, I'm out of ideas!"
With Ripley's "morning sickness" cropping up
one final time, third time's the charm.
Ripley disappears, disillusioned-
She finds out about the Queen.
Our heroes are now at their lowest point.
(Which wouldn't have happened had sacrifices not been made
and the creature not been captured in the first place.)
Not only has Ripley lost everyone close to her,
the Alien is loose again and there's two ticking time bombs-
W-Y and the one inside her chest.
Morse's epiphany;
When he remembers the Alien is afraid of fire.
Let's make it to the furnace.
I believe this is important because it's as The Fifth Element would say;
A little light of life, it's a moment of hope the film desperately needs.
The descent between the prisoners reminds me of the
"Parker. Shut up!" scene in Alien, in regards to how they
could possibly kill the Alien. You could take it or leave it.
But I wouldn't leave it.
"I was violated. And now I get to be mother of the year."
In addition to what I said earlier on this scene,
it raises the stakes because the implication is that
if this thing gets off Fiorina 161- not Earth,
not humanity, but all life, is at stake-
"wipe out the whole universe" & I believe it,
because this is Sigourney Weaver's best performance.
"This is as good a place as any to take our first steps to Heaven".
The extended speech and score is superior, no explanation required.
(The shot of Aaron looking in the mirror should've stayed.)
For obvious character arc reasons.
Before the chase & bait begins,
there's several tiny scenes showing how the different prisoners
react to their situation, I think that's fairly appropriate-
to get you aqquainted with where everyone is in the tunnels.
Rather than one scene of David criticising the plan.
Although- why not both?
"I think I've found Vincent!"
Speaks for itself doesn't it? lol
Mysterious Mark Vincent.
"Improvising!"
Not necessary but love this scene.
Especially Ripley's reaction.
"And then it's over."
"I'm not a droid!"
"No pictures!"
Included for obvious reasons.
I believe Ripley would pause for contemplation,
so I prefer her death in the AC-
although I think the "You're crazy." Line is... eh.
No chestburster
but no bad slo-mo.
More graceful fall in a cross position.
In tune with the film's thematics.
There you go.
Great contribution. Thanks for the effort of putting all that together.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2019, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 07, 2019, 05:41:18 AMI didn't care for the bursting ending. It just felt cheesy and forced. She shouldn't have even been alive to clutch it at that point. It just felt so forced and like such blatant fan service/movie moment that it took me right out of the experience. Her just falling into the inferno flowed much better, in my opinion.
Other than the fact the re-edit ruins the flow of Goldenthal's exquisite score, I far prefer the Chestburster-less ending. As you say, it seems kind of silly for her to just serenely clutch it to herself when Kane and everyone else has been flopping about in uncontrollable agony.
It's better because it's still her making that decision and she still has a chance at survival. The TE ending takes that away, makes less of the sacrifice. But I do love seeing that Queen chestburster...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 07, 2019, 01:02:43 PMIt's better because it's still her making that decision and she still has a chance at survival. The TE ending takes that away, makes less of the sacrifice. But I do love seeing that Queen chestburster...
Yeah, I love the Queenburster design. Feel kinda sad that it gets removed, but as has been said, the scene simply works better without it.
It's the same as the Queen Facehuggers, gorgeous.
But narratively (with the footage we have)
better off without it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 07, 2019, 01:02:43 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2019, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 07, 2019, 05:41:18 AMI didn't care for the bursting ending. It just felt cheesy and forced. She shouldn't have even been alive to clutch it at that point. It just felt so forced and like such blatant fan service/movie moment that it took me right out of the experience. Her just falling into the inferno flowed much better, in my opinion.
Other than the fact the re-edit ruins the flow of Goldenthal's exquisite score, I far prefer the Chestburster-less ending. As you say, it seems kind of silly for her to just serenely clutch it to herself when Kane and everyone else has been flopping about in uncontrollable agony.
It's better because it's still her making that decision and she still has a chance at survival. The TE ending takes that away, makes less of the sacrifice. But I do love seeing that Queen chestburster...
I think it was Fincher who called it "janitorial". And it really takes away from the idea that Ripley ever had a choice. If she'd run full pelt towards the Patna she still wouldn't have made it.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 07, 2019, 04:24:06 PM
It's the same as the Queen Facehuggers, gorgeous.
But narratively (with the footage we have)
better off without it.
The Queen-hugger just ups and disappears, doesn't it? Nobody ever says, "Look what we've got lying around" after we first see it. The Company might've done wonders with it.
I prefer the AC as well. The only thing I don't like is the alien being captured, but the positives outweigh the negatives in that cut IMO.
I didn't hate A3 the first time I saw it, I just thought it was a bit boring. But that changed as time passed and my taste evolved. As an ending to the trilogy, I love the thematic payoff. The polar opposites of standard trilogies where the entries have a optimistic-pessimistic-even more optimistic tone, whereas the Alien trilogy goes pessimistic-optimistic-deeply pessimistic. Love the subversion. That doesn't mean A3 has no flaws though... Of course, I only mean those perspectives in the broadest, vague sense of the word, implying the feel of the general movie atmosphere.
Damn it, I'm due for a rewatch of the original trilogy. ;D
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 07, 2019, 04:42:58 PM
The Queen-hugger just ups and disappears, doesn't it? Nobody ever says, "Look what we've got lying around" after we first see it. The Company might've done wonders with it.
And it would've been so easy. AR could have shown us the facehugger and Bishop's remains locked in a vault, Cyberdyne-style, to explain how they were able to clone and learn all about the alien.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 07, 2019, 06:35:14 AM
Just imagine the disappointment it was for those us who were old enough to see it when it was new and expected a worthy follow-up to Aliens.
My experience right there, I think I was 12...maybe 13, I'd just experienced how great Terminator 2 had been, a sequel to The Terminator which I loved so I was
very excited to see what a sequel to my favourite series could be (Alien & Aliens) when Alien 3 was announced; I've never to this day been more disappointed in a movie.
Alien 3 has merits but it's so far away from what I wanted or expected that the memory of that disappointment still lingers - a very formative age at the time so I doubt I'll get over it.
Quote from: N-Shifter on Jan 07, 2019, 06:31:44 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 07, 2019, 06:35:14 AM
Just imagine the disappointment it was for those us who were old enough to see it when it was new and expected a worthy follow-up to Aliens.
My experience right there, I think I was 12...maybe 13, I'd just experienced how great Terminator 2 had been, a sequel to The Terminator which I loved so I was very excited to see what a sequel to my favourite series could be (Alien & Aliens) when Alien 3 was announced; I've never to this day been more disappointed in a movie.
I was a bit older, but feel the exact same way.
QuoteI think it was Fincher who called it "janitorial". And it really takes away from the idea that Ripley ever had a choice. If she'd run full pelt towards the Patna she still wouldn't have made it.
That was the Giler and Hill ending where she bursts on the gantry, grabs the Alien, breaks its neck, then jumps into the fire.
Not sure Fincher ever commented on the compromise ending.
Not sure why anyone would think the Theatrical version was less of a sacrifice.
'Cos she ostensibly still had a chance of survival if she'd taken Bishop II's offer?
Yeah. She didn't know exactly when it was going to burst, and she made her choice based on that. It's not like she was already convulsing or anything.
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2019, 07:59:21 PM
That was the Giler and Hill ending where she bursts on the gantry, grabs the Alien, breaks its neck, then jumps into the fire.
Wow. I didn't know about that one. :laugh:
Issue #3 and the conclusion to Dust to Dust tomorrow boysss!
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 07, 2019, 08:22:05 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2019, 07:59:21 PM
That was the Giler and Hill ending where she bursts on the gantry, grabs the Alien, breaks its neck, then jumps into the fire.
Wow. I didn't know about that one. :laugh:
Yeah thats in one of their many drafts after the Ferguson one. Pretty much all the drafts we skipped on the podcast lol
#F**kGiler
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 07, 2019, 04:42:58 PM
I think it was Fincher who called it "janitorial". And it really takes away from the idea that Ripley ever had a choice. If she'd run full pelt towards the Patna she still wouldn't have made it.
Yep, I've said the same thing on here before. Granted, if she had bursted while in custody of the team, even on the gangway, they could've captured it outright or just located it somewhere within the complex. So Ripley did still keep it away from them. But with only seconds left to live, and no chance at survival, why not give the same company that started all of this for her, the proverbial middle finger? It can work, just not as effectively in my opinion. Suicide is less of a sacrifice for a character that is seconds away from inevitable death anyway. So truly, the only question was how she checked out.
It also feels alittle cheesy that the moment Runner is dead, oh, here comes the burster. It feels like it's being shoehorned in there because the movie needs to be wrapped up.
The AC ending leaves the amount of time she had left ambiguous, which I think works much better. As has been said, she's making the conscious choice to decline her own salvation, and see her mission through. Ripley dies not knowing whether or not she could've lived, and we are left to wonder the same thing. But both Ripley and the audience know that the events that began with the Nostromo have finally concluded, and that those who sought to profit from hell, have lost.
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 08, 2019, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 07, 2019, 04:42:58 PM
I think it was Fincher who called it "janitorial". And it really takes away from the idea that Ripley ever had a choice. If she'd run full pelt towards the Patna she still wouldn't have made it.
Yep, I've said the same thing on here before. Granted, if she had bursted while in custody of the team, even on the gangway, they could've captured it outright or just located it somewhere within the complex. So Ripley did still keep it away from them. But with only seconds left to live, and no chance at survival, why not give the same company that started all of this for her, the proverbial middle finger? It can work, just not as effectively in my opinion. Suicide is less of a sacrifice for a character that is seconds away from inevitable death anyway. So truly, the only question was how she checked out.
It also feels alittle cheesy that the moment Runner is dead, oh, here comes the burster. It feels like it's being shoehorned in there because the movie needs to be wrapped up.
The AC ending leaves the amount of time she had left ambiguous, which I think works much better. As has been said, she's making the conscious choice to decline her own salvation, and see her mission through. Ripley dies not knowing whether or not she could've lived, and we are left to wonder the same thing. But both Ripley and the audience know that the events that began with the Nostromo have finally concluded, and that those who sought to profit from hell, have lost.
Do we though? The last of the LV-426 aliens died with Ripley, but who's to say there aren't others elsewhere? It's not even established that LV-426 is their homeworld, is it?
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jan 08, 2019, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 08, 2019, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 07, 2019, 04:42:58 PM
I think it was Fincher who called it "janitorial". And it really takes away from the idea that Ripley ever had a choice. If she'd run full pelt towards the Patna she still wouldn't have made it.
Yep, I've said the same thing on here before. Granted, if she had bursted while in custody of the team, even on the gangway, they could've captured it outright or just located it somewhere within the complex. So Ripley did still keep it away from them. But with only seconds left to live, and no chance at survival, why not give the same company that started all of this for her, the proverbial middle finger? It can work, just not as effectively in my opinion. Suicide is less of a sacrifice for a character that is seconds away from inevitable death anyway. So truly, the only question was how she checked out.
It also feels alittle cheesy that the moment Runner is dead, oh, here comes the burster. It feels like it's being shoehorned in there because the movie needs to be wrapped up.
The AC ending leaves the amount of time she had left ambiguous, which I think works much better. As has been said, she's making the conscious choice to decline her own salvation, and see her mission through. Ripley dies not knowing whether or not she could've lived, and we are left to wonder the same thing. But both Ripley and the audience know that the events that began with the Nostromo have finally concluded, and that those who sought to profit from hell, have lost.
Do we though? The last of the LV-426 aliens died with Ripley, but who's to say there aren't others elsewhere? It's not even established that LV-426 is their homeworld, is it?
What does SM have to say about this?
Does it matter?
QuoteIt also feels alittle cheesy that the moment Runner is dead, oh, here comes the burster. It feels like it's being shoehorned in there because the movie needs to be wrapped up.
The burster's been coming for some time. First we see Ripley groaning after she stops Eric starting the piston, then again just before Bishop and co meet Aaron.
Nah.
There are some alien eggs still on planet 4
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2019, 10:15:33 PM
Does it matter?
QuoteIt also feels alittle cheesy that the moment Runner is dead, oh, here comes the burster. It feels like it's being shoehorned in there because the movie needs to be wrapped up.
The burster's been coming for some time. First we see Ripley groaning after she stops Eric starting the piston, then again just before Bishop and co meet Aaron.
Is it possible that little Queen wasn't in a hurry cause she was protected buy the Runner? So when the Runner died, she went into "escape" mode.
Nah I think it was more she copped to what Ripley was doing and went "Eject! Eject!"
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2019, 11:53:03 PM
Nah I think it was more she copped to what Ripley was doing and went "Eject! Eject!"
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/kzuFXIWkepgnm/giphy.gif?cid=4bf119fc5c353819795774587399b378)
Really enjoyed issue 3
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I don't fully remember all the details from the script, but are some slight liberties taken, in this comic, with the means of infection, that make it slightly more like the neomorphs spores ?
Nah, that's always been it.
So things are really starting to amp up in this issue.
I hope the hybrid design is inspired.
Just picked up issue 3 today from my local. Beautiful cover. Can't wait to read it tonight.
Picked up and read last night. Still enjoying this. I did love the panels aboard the Rodina.
Still disappointed at all the small spaceships being dropships, though. Give me some different designs!
Looking forward to the final 2 issues. Should be kicking into high gear soon. Can't wait to see the Change visualized!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2019, 09:12:12 AMStill disappointed at all the small spaceships being dropships, though. Give me some different designs!
Especially on the part of the UPP. You never saw the Soviet union using Hueys.
Design pastiche... Again.
The covers for this run have all been superb - works of art. Loving the minimalism. So good even my local comic shop owner said `great cover'.
Best issue so far! Things are finally starting to ramp up. Looking forward to the final two issues.
Continues to underwhelm. If this was a movie, we would be over the one hour mark with little action or forward momentum and no memorable characters. No wonder they shelved the script.
If the visuals were more interesting, this would have entertained me more than the real Alien 3 did.
Really enjoyed this issue, i liked the slow burn and now things are ramping up nicely. We get some time with Hicks, Newt, and Bishop which was nice. Things are starting to go to hell on both stations and I enjoyed the Alien action mostly.
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I thought in the script when they were contaminated they changed immediatly?
The art still isnt my favorite but it is servicable and i like the rest. Not sure how anyone can say there hasnt been any action or forward momentum, there was a lot happening in this issue with the action and aliens.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2019, 12:21:33 AM
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I thought in the script when they were contaminated they changed immediatly?
No, I think in both drafts that
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Welles changes during a briefing and Tully runs off into the depths of the station.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 07:59:42 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2019, 12:21:33 AM
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I thought in the script when they were contaminated they changed immediatly?
No, I think in both drafts that Spoiler
Welles changes during a briefing and Tully runs off into the depths of the station.
Yeah i think thats what happens in the scripts
In the second draft,
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Tully realizes he's contaminated and kills himself in a freezing unit mid change.
On an unrelated note, I like how this ties in with Alien Covenant, with the Alien turning back from David's perfect organism to the Engineers' virus and the neomorph spores.
It's pretty obvious that Covenant was inspired by ideas presented here. It's like Covenant was a prequel to this story.
Definitely, its a part of the story that I always thought was pretty cool and interesting. I like how it actually fits with AC too, cant wait to see the change.
It definitely meshes well with the prequels, but I like it despite that fact, not because of it.
I wonder if Riddles nicked the shower scene from this. :laugh:
I'm still enjoying it as of issue three, but I maintain that the panel layouts are often far too cramped.
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The reveal of the xeno in the cooling unit is pretty sweet, but it's crammed into a tiny panel in the bottom corner. Did Dark Horse go cheap on the page count?
Also, there are multiple ads for a Fight Club 3 comic in the back. What the
f**k?!? That's a real thing? :laugh:
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 12, 2019, 05:08:38 AM
Also, there are multiple ads for a Fight Club 3 comic in the back. What the f**k?!? That's a real thing? :laugh:
If that's true, they've violated the first two rules of...the thing we don't speak of.
Yes it's a real thing, and it's f**king excellent apparently.
Apparently Fight Club 2 was Also very good.
Trade paperback is up on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/William-Gibsons-Alien-3-Gibson/dp/1506708110
Pre-ordered. I usually wait for the TPB's. Guess I won't be checking this out until August.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 12, 2019, 04:37:27 PM
Trade paperback is up on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/William-Gibsons-Alien-3-Gibson/dp/1506708110 (https://www.amazon.com/William-Gibsons-Alien-3-Gibson/dp/1506708110)
Can you make this fit too?
Sure ;D
One definite upside to the comic is that I can now read Gibson's second draft without having to deal with that ugly, eye searing font he used for it.
I can't help but expect the hybrid to end up looking just like the neomorph, if only to emphasize the conceptual similarities with the prequels.
Judging by the cover art for the next issue, I think they are going to be more like regular aliens.
We'll see. Quite frankly, I think they can do better than the neomorph.
Some sorta of mix of the two would be interesting.
well issue 3 did certain start ramping up the story a bit... just got my copies today! seems like the story started progressing a much more rapid rate than in previous issues, especially toward the end of the issue :)
Read Alien 3 part 3. Yes, that is a sentence I just wrote. I'm finding the use of colors to be way too bright. As if every scene were brightly lit. Hardly anything is in shadow. It takes me out of any feeling of threat or danger..
A little slow so far. Lazy weapon art in issue 3. A 64 year old Uzi design in the real world in a book set 150+ years from now? Is the UPP that broke?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 16, 2019, 12:29:32 AM
Read Alien 3 part 3. Yes, that is a sentence I just wrote. I'm finding the use of colors to be way too bright. As if every scene were brightly lit. Hardly anything is in shadow. It takes me out of any feeling of threat or danger..
Quote from: razeak on Jan 17, 2019, 05:07:01 AM
A little slow so far. Lazy weapon art in issue 3. A 64 year old Uzi design in the real world in a book set 150+ years from now? Is the UPP that broke?
Pretty sure Dark Horse Editorial just decided to put this book out as fast as possible. The whole thing is just sloppy.
Very weird decision, considering the fan base that William Gibson has.
Also, the hole laboratory set up is bit lacking, shouldn't it be more high tech and futuristic? it looks like they are cultivating alien eggs in a plain office environment. and the UPP looks like it consists of like 3 persons. The same people in charge is also the ones doing the alien cloning?
Im liking how the pace is. Makes so much sense and nothings too rush, but i do agree with a few of the niggles people have
Quote from: bobby brown on Jan 17, 2019, 10:38:31 AM
Also, the hole laboratory set up is bit lacking, shouldn't it be more high tech and futuristic? it looks like they are cultivating alien eggs in a plain office environment. and the UPP looks like it consists of like 3 persons. The same people in charge is also the ones doing the alien cloning?
It's pretty obvious that there was no concept or design work done for this adaptation. It's a one-man show and a pretty low budget affair.
Is it wrong that I'm holding off on reading issue 3 until issue 4 comes out?
I'm enjoying it so far. The art is solid overall, but it does appear a bit rushed. It's easy to imagine the artist going "Crap. I need a gun in this scene." Googles gun, uses Uzi as reference.
Now, if it was some sort of colonist, or farmer, it wouldn't bug me at all. Firearms are used for many years in the real world. One of my complaints in the original Aliens adaptation was the lack of pulse rifles and recognizable gear from Aliens. Of course it was because I liked Aliens, but my mind seepms to recall an interview or explanation or something from someone attached that it had been 10 years and of course everything had advanced so we had new weapons. Military gear can stay relevant for many decades. It didn't help the weapons looked pretty generic in that series. I really dug the vehicles overall though.
Its just the UPP appears to be a big rival. I would think they would have been using something designed within a few decades of when the story happens at least.
I skimmed through Prometheus: Life and Death last night and I thought it looked a bit rushed too. There are some noticeable low detail panels where the perspective is only 6-7 feet. Nothing terrible, but noticeable.
Don't-rush-artists.
Hicks was using a 150 year old shotgun :)
And Gorman used some old H&K pistol if i remember correctly.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jan 17, 2019, 04:57:38 PM
And Gorman used some old H&K pistol if i remember correctly.
VP70 isn't it? Same pistol Leon uses in Resident Evil 2.
Quote from: Hudson on Jan 17, 2019, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jan 17, 2019, 04:57:38 PM
And Gorman used some old H&K pistol if i remember correctly.
VP70 isn't it? Same pistol Leon uses in Resident Evil 2.
Yep, that's the one.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_VP70
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 17, 2019, 04:52:25 PM
Hicks was using a 150 year old shotgun :)
Right, but what was standard issue? Hardware lasts for decades. Its just a minor thing to me overall, but when it comes to the Uzi, it's a very distinct design so it really stood out. I would probably feel the same if I saw colonial marines rocking M16s as basic kit. I think there was a non-modified rifle in the weapon rack in a few shots in Aliens, and of course, the VP-70, which still looks functionally futuristic kind of like a Ruger P-89.
Then again, the Uzi is a pretty damned proven design, Just like the 1911 and AK-47.
"update"
I take it all back lol. The M16 is in the weapon rack haha. Never noticed it in motion.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#.22GAU-113.2FB.22
I think it was the novelisation of Aliens that clarified Hicks' shotgun was a family heirloom handed down through the generations on his father's side - it wasn't an officially issued piece of kit, just something he brought along himself. Kinda like soldiers taking their own sidearms along in World War 2.
As for the VP70, that's an obscure enough piece of kit it's at least somewhat plausible to pass it off as a future gun (especially given it's futuristic-looking design). The Uzi is iconic and very much grounded in the last few decades, making it harder to flub in the same manner.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 17, 2019, 08:31:04 PM
I think it was the novelisation of Aliens that clarified Hicks' shotgun was a family heirloom handed down through the generations on his father's side - it wasn't an officially issued piece of kit, just something he brought along himself. Kinda like soldiers taking their own sidearms along in World War 2.
I want to see that story.
It's laziness. Gibson writes in the script that the UPP personnel is using "UZI-like guns" and the artist just draws the UZI he was referencing.
Indeed. Oh well...
That's usually when the film's art department takes over and comes up with something more imaginative. Like turning a Thompson submachine gun into the USCM M-41A pulse rifle.
It's especially disappointing when they could literally draw anything and still fail to come up with something new. A comic book artist isn't limited by a film budget.
But they are limited by the time they were given.
Seems, very very evident in this WG adaptation.
Either that, or they gave him plenty of time and
instead they hired the wrong artist for this comic.
I'd have expected something more like this with an LED ammo counter:
(https://i.imgur.com/YuVkPfL.jpg)
I didnt even notice the uzi until someone said something.
Also as, Razeak pointed out, there were m-16s on the sulaco. Maybe advanced plasma weaponry is a bad idea to give grunts who are flying around in space.
I dunno, im not very knowledgable when it comes to guns.
There were a lot of other guns on Sulaco...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2016, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 23, 2016, 04:51:42 AMThe CMTM makes up a couple guns (the PIG, SADAR, off the top of my head), and I can kind of understand why it didn't bother detailing some of the other guns you see in the Sulaco since they're almost entirely unmodified real-world guns (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Aliens#Rifles). The Sulaco did have some modified Lewis Guns apparently, and enough of them are hidden in their storage cage that the CMTM could have fudged the details and turned them into super-cool sci-fi LMGs.
I think I would have preferred the CMTM to simply acknowledge the limitations of the smart gun and mention that the Lewis Guns were the preferred LMGs for stand-up fights.
So? There are most likely lots of other guns on the upp station.
Point is, if the sulaco is carrying atleast some modern day weapons why is it a problem if someone grabbed an uzzi in this story? Seems a bit nitpicky imo
Of course it's nitpicky, but that's what we do here.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2019, 10:15:47 PM
That's usually when the film's art department takes over and comes up with something more imaginative. Like turning a Thompson submachine gun into the USCM M-41A pulse rifle.
It's especially disappointing when they could literally draw anything and still fail to come up with something new. A comic book artist isn't limited by a film budget.
One thing I always admired about Denis Beauvais' art in Book 2 was his nice inventive and creative output of side arms and weaponry. They fit perfectly into the whole
Aliens aesthetic - in fact he nailed the whole tech of that Cameron world perfectly.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2019, 11:29:33 PM
Of course it's nitpicky, but that's what we do here.
touché
Quote from: Prez on Jan 17, 2019, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2019, 10:15:48 PM
That's usually when the film's art department takes over and comes up with something more imaginative.
Like turning a Thompson submachine gun into the USCM M-41A pulse rifle.
It's especially disappointing when they could literally draw anything and still fail to come up with something new.
A comic book artist isn't limited by a film budget.
One thing I always admired about Denis Beauvais' art was his nice inventive and creative output of side arms and weaponry.
They fit perfectly into the whole Aliens aesthetic - in fact he nailed the whole tech of that James Cameron world perfectly.
Well, this is one thing that Resistance has over
William Gibson's Alien 3 already then,
pilfering what little good there was from Aliens: Colonial Marines' corpse. Weapons.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/748532/Cover._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg)
Quote from: Prez on Jan 17, 2019, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2019, 10:15:47 PM
That's usually when the film's art department takes over and comes up with something more imaginative. Like turning a Thompson submachine gun into the USCM M-41A pulse rifle.
It's especially disappointing when they could literally draw anything and still fail to come up with something new. A comic book artist isn't limited by a film budget.
One thing I always admired about Denis Beauvais' art in Book 2 was his nice inventive and creative output of side arms and weaponry. They fit perfectly into the whole Aliens aesthetic - in fact he nailed the whole tech of that Cameron world perfectly.
Exactly, it felt designed and pre-meditated as opposed to thrown-together ad-hoc.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 17, 2019, 11:00:49 PM
I didnt even notice the uzi until someone said something.
Also as, Razeak pointed out, there were m-16s on the sulaco. Maybe advanced plasma weaponry is a bad idea to give grunts who are flying around in space.
I dunno, im not very knowledgable when it comes to guns.
The M-16s were background set dressing.
^ What he said.
The contemporary guns on the Sulaco were just background set dressing, to fill up the armoury. You really have to look quite hard in the film to identify them.
I'm disinclined to criticize this series on the grounds that I really like these alternate reality timelines...
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 18, 2019, 01:42:46 AM
Well, this is one thing that Resistance has over William Gibson's Alien 3 already then,
pilfering what little good there was from Aliens: Colonial Marines' corpse. Weapons.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/748532/Cover._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg
If Neca made these versions of these two characters I'd buy'em
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 18, 2019, 01:10:18 PMI'm disinclined to criticize this series on the grounds that I really like these alternate reality timelines...
Yeah, I've got no real complaints.
The art could definitely be better, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's bad. I'm liking the pacing. The ancient weapons and the UPP's use of a USCM dropship has bothered me, but overall I'm enjoying it and more than anything I'm just excited as hell this project even happened.
Should hopefully be collecting issue 3 tomorrow.
Were it not for the fact that they actually made one of the UPP muckety-mucks look like Lenin, there would be no visual cues to indicate that they're supposed to be space commies. No space Hinds, Kalashnikovs, Cyrillic or red stars anywhere to be seen.
Another fair point is the background dressing comment. You do have to really look. Again, it's not deal breaker. I really enjoy the book overall.
I have to head.to my LCS and get these newer books besides Alien 3. That panel looks great.
I work with guns a lot in my job, so the Uzi metaphorically punched me in the face and said "hey look!"
I just hope Hicks has a pulse rifle in issue 4 and not a musket lol
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 18, 2019, 01:42:46 AM
Quote from: Prez on Jan 17, 2019, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2019, 10:15:48 PM
That's usually when the film's art department takes over and comes up with something more imaginative.
Like turning a Thompson submachine gun into the USCM M-41A pulse rifle.
It's especially disappointing when they could literally draw anything and still fail to come up with something new.
A comic book artist isn't limited by a film budget.
One thing I always admired about Denis Beauvais' art was his nice inventive and creative output of side arms and weaponry.
They fit perfectly into the whole Aliens aesthetic - in fact he nailed the whole tech of that James Cameron world perfectly.
Well, this is one thing that Resistance has over William Gibson's Alien 3 already then,
pilfering what little good there was from Aliens: Colonial Marines' corpse. Weapons.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/748532/Cover._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg
Reminds me of that sniper mission from COD4.
It's the Assault Rifle from Colonial Marines.
Quote from: razeak on Jan 18, 2019, 09:18:54 PM
I just hope Hicks has a pulse rifle in issue 4 and not a musket lol
If it's adhering to the second draft of the script, which it appears to be, Hicks will never wield a pulse rifle in this.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2019, 05:20:39 PMWere it not for the fact that they actually made one of the UPP muckety-mucks look like Lenin, there would be no visual cues to indicate that they're supposed to be space commies.
No visual cues, perhaps, but they do call each other "comrade" constantly lol.
Playing down the space commies thing is a good move. The parallel is a bit too blunt in the script.
Playing it down is one thing,
making them downright
identical in all but dialogue
to the USCM is a saddening
wasted opportunity.
Not sure why they should play it down. I like when they go retro, Isolation-style.
I'm not sure that the whole commies vs capitalists angle is the best direction for the overall Aliens series. It's supposed to be about the lead characters, the monsters and secondly about the cold company. It's now also become about the androids and engineers so adding another conflict layer as a focal point is questionable. But this is an alternate take, and I am all for going full tilt in exploring the dynamics of the communist / capitalist conflict in this context. The series should be true to the script. Otherwise, why bother?
If the company's primary interest in the aliens is in their potential application as bioweapons, it makes sense that there may be some hostile foreign power that they could be used against. Otherwise, why bother?
Indeed.
It's just a matter of time
before they're introduced
somehow in the films.
Capitalism Vs Communism
At least would be relevant
to the themes of Alien and
follow through with and
conclude the bioweapon
subplot effectively.
Rather than just:
"Waylen is teh evilz!"
Maybe they already
were introduced...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 11:34:11 PM
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi60.tinypic.com%2F24mcdtx.jpg&hash=93b6458e51f09785461a3a3465deaf3e
Dat red star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_star).
Now, that's an idea
I can get behind.
Could be that Ripley and the aliens were simply cloned by the other side. Their inadequate containment methods even mirror those of the UPP, not to mention their apparent disdain for "greedy corporations."
V- True.
The need for weapons does indeed indicate that there is an enemy that they will be used against. Communism may have made sense back when this was written. I would think that a better reason to have a need for such advanced weapons would be the engineers. That of course hinges on whether humans are aware of their existence.
Hopefully not.
I don't want Alien to turn into a
full blown Mass Effect Space Opera, although I love Mass Effect.
Maybe Arcturians are like the asari.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 21, 2019, 07:58:02 PMI don't want Alien to turn into a full blown Mass Effect Space Opera, although I love Mass Effect.
The
Rage War novels already did that.
I really enjoyed those books.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 21, 2019, 09:40:36 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 21, 2019, 07:58:02 PMI don't want Alien to turn into a full blown Mass Effect Space Opera, although I love Mass Effect.
The Rage War novels already did that.
I really enjoyed those books.
Trash Novels. IMO.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 21, 2019, 08:58:50 PM
Maybe Arcturians are like the Asari.
The "Arcturians" should simply be a human colony with a high percentage of intersex people on a planet orbiting Arcturus.
Turning them into Asari doesn't fit the lonely universe Alien presents and
I believe the actual intention of the line in Aliens is more a suggestion of a further parallel
in James Cameron's Vietnam allegory; where treating another race as subhuman because they were different,
was either not acknowledged as heinous or perhaps even encouraged by military superiors.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 20, 2018, 06:58:16 PM
The whole Arcturian's are aliens thing is actually rather sickening when you understand
James Cameron's intent with the line.
He was drawing Vietnam Parallels there.
IE, this was basically like that one scene in Full Metal Jacket where Joker tells his buddy Rafterman
"Half these gook whores are servicing the Vietcong, the other half have TB.
So make sure you only f**k the ones that cough."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hch3HL8gPTk
IE: The Arcturian colony is full of "sub-human trash" and it doesn't matter if they're transsexuals, dudes, or chicks.
Sounds more like current-day Bangkok.
http://www.bangkok.com/magazine/ladyboys.htm
https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/102-interview-with-johnnie-christmas-william-gibsons-alien-3/
I'm about half-way through so far but am enjoying the chat.
http://comiconart.com/artist/Johnnie-Christmas
Some of the original artwork for sale.
Newt's "Affirmative" line sure did make me smile.
Love this comic, really wished that this was the Alien 3 movie we got but since we didn't, I'll gladly take it in its current form.
Two decent alternatives:
Aliens: The Original Series
Aliens: Colonial Marines
William Gibson's Alien 3.
I'd like to see another two:
Vincent Ward's Alien 3.
Neill Blomkamp's Alien 3.
Added to the comicbook adaptation list. :)
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 29, 2019, 06:14:16 AM
Two decent alternatives:
Aliens: The Original Series
Aliens: Colonial Marines
William Gibson's Alien 3.
I'd like to see another two:
Vincent Ward's Alien 3.
Neill Blomkamp's Alien 3.
Added to the comicbook adaptation list. :)
Always had my issues with the wooden planet idea, but I'd still like to see an adaptation of that Ward script.
I honestly don't get all the love for the Ward script. The setting makes no sense and other than a couple of Alien slaughter set pieces the story's shite.
I do agree it could make for a good-looking comic though.
The wooden planet is a bit...dumb.
It would feel more at home in an Futurama episode than an Alien movie :D
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2019, 04:13:21 PM
I honestly don't get all the love for the Ward script. The setting makes no sense and other than a couple of Alien slaughter set pieces the story's shite.
Indeed.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
I honestly don't get all the love for the Ward script. The setting makes no sense and other than a couple of Alien slaughter set pieces the story's shite.
I do agree it could make for a good-looking comic though.
Alejandro Jodorowsky style, etc the Metabarons, beautiful.
It would have to be an amazing looking comic for all of the scenes of Ripley and company walking down hallways to actually be interesting. The visually interesting bits in the script are kept relatively limited to the very beginning and the very end. And of course I wonder if the sheep Alien will have a smiley face on its ass... :laugh:
A mini-comic! ;D
It's not my favourite of the drafts (I'm really really not a fan) but I'll happily pick up a comic, if only to see that madness visualized. Same as Red's script. I'd love to see those chicken-Aliens and the Xeno-Spacestation. :laugh:
Oh yeah, having said I don't like the script, I'd buy the shit out of a comic adaptation, if only because the alternate scripts - good or bad - really interest me.
+1
Red's aside, I love Towhy, Gibson, and Ward's versions. I hope they each get a novelization at some point. Ward's will always hold a special place in my heart. If nothing else, for scaring me into checking the damn toilet.
:laugh:
It sounds to (without having read it) me that Ward's script is so off the wall that it may work well illustrated by... Sam Kieth. ;D
Jokes aside, I would love to see any alternate take on my favorite moments in the series.
You've never read Ward's script?
Man, you're in for something nuts. Most insane death by Alien ever.
Twohy's script could use a reworked third act if they adapt it.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 29, 2019, 10:38:21 PMIt sounds to (without having read it) me that Ward's script is so off the wall that it may work well illustrated by... Sam Kieth. ;D
Nah, save his ass for Red's script.
The most batshit
Alien thing I've ever read, by a country mile.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 29, 2019, 10:51:17 PMTwohy's script could use a reworked third act if they adapt it.
Twohy's is my favourite of the unmade screenplays, but there's no denying the final act is a total anticlimax.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 30, 2019, 09:18:02 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 29, 2019, 10:38:21 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 29, 2019, 10:51:17 PMTwohy's script could use a reworked third act if they adapt it.
Twohy's is my favourite of the unmade screenplays, but there's no denying the final act is a total anticlimax.
Its one way to clear out the prison system though lol
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 30, 2019, 12:59:03 PMIts one way to clear out the prison system though lol
Human pasta :laugh:
That bit was over-the-top, but admittedly pretty cool. Sadly after that I thought the script ran out of steam a bit. The final showdown with the Newbreed in particular was over before it even began.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 30, 2019, 02:00:31 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 30, 2019, 12:59:03 PMIts one way to clear out the prison system though lol
Human pasta :laugh:
That bit was over-the-top, but admittedly pretty cool. Sadly after that I thought the script ran out of steam a bit. The final showdown with the Newbreed in particular was over before it even began.
I was laughing so hard at the vacuum bit that I had to stop reading for a minute.
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 29, 2019, 10:50:48 PM
You've never read Ward's script?
Man, you're in for something nuts. Most insane death by Alien ever.
Been a while since I've read it, are you talking about
Spoiler
the toilet death...?
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/8PuxRAw.jpg)
Spoiler
"As the Abbot and a 'Bald Tribunal Member' occupy the stalls, an Alien reaches up and yanks the latter down through the hole in the ground, and drags him under the floorboards. The toilet's faucets and lavatories "reject a torrent of gore! Blood and viscera spraying the wall – converting the Abbey into an abattoir.""
You know what, I'd
love to see that in live action. ;D
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 01, 2019, 09:47:55 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 29, 2019, 10:50:48 PM
You've never read Ward's script?
Man, you're in for something nuts. Most insane death by Alien ever.
Been a while since I've read it, are you talking about Spoiler
the toilet death...?
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/8PuxRAw.jpg)
Spoiler
"As the Abbot and a 'Bald Tribunal Member' occupy the stalls, an Alien reaches up and yanks the latter down through the hole in the ground, and drags him under the floorboards. The toilet's faucets and lavatories "reject a torrent of gore! Blood and viscera spraying the wall – converting the Abbey into an abattoir.""
You know what, I'd love to see that in live action. ;D
Lol you should hear me and Kiramidhead talk about that scene on his podcast lol
Ha, well they've done shower death may as well keep the ball rolling for the entire bathroom. ;D
Indeed? lol
It was even a decon shower with horizontal streams, heh.
Didn't see this posted, preview for the next issue, out tomorrow.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/3002-527/William-Gibsons-Alien-3-4#prettyPhoto
The 'change' is shown here so beware if you don't want to be spoiled. Not sure what I think about it.
Some nice Cronenbergian imagery during the transition but it's disappointing that the new beast is same as the old beast.
Garbage.
I don't like it. #Whinge
I'm fine with it tbh
I like it, but as Kane's other son says, it would've been nice in the resulting Alien had looked a little different.
The whole concept always came across as a bit ridiculous in the script, so I think that's about the best we could've hoped for.
And there's still the issue that everything appears to take place in an office building.
There must have been some directive to make the art as bland as humanly possible.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 12, 2019, 05:16:00 PM
I like it, but as Kane's other son says, it would've been nice in the resulting Alien had looked a little different.
The whole concept always came across as a bit ridiculous in the script, so I think that's about the best we could've hoped for.
Adaptations can change things, and should have.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2019, 05:20:54 PM
There must have been some directive to make the art as bland as humanly possible.
Indeed.
I'm not one for shitting on an artist's work, but just imagine if the art looked more like Denis Beauvais' work in Aliens Book 2. It'd be like night and day, even with relatively little going on storywise.
I'm guessing rushed schedule, judging by their other work.
Can we also agree that it would make a terrible movie if shot? No memorable characters or set pieces and we have almost reached the third act.
I still think the script is better than what we got.
I'm not so sure, I think an adaptation of it could've been though. Unfortunately this isn't the one.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2019, 06:10:09 PMI still think the script is better than what we got.
I'm not really so sure. The complete change to the Alien's biology is as wtf as the magic egg.
And that first draft was just ridiculous. It's like a kid who's just seen
Aliens and just writes
moar of everything without injecting any actual finesse.
Yeah, I'm not as fond of the first draft. However, given the visual flare of Fincher's Alien 3, just imagine how his version of the Gibson script could have looked.
I kind of saw this coming. I think one of the drafts describes it as just like the regular xeno.
The transformation was fun. Somebody has played a lot of resident evil it seems.
The design of the resulting creature was a letdown.
I liked the suit gun. Reminded me of Dutch´s arm in the capcom arcade game.
Whoa this issue was nuts! Looking forward to the conclusion (even though it feels like it just started).
Spoiler
I'm surprised that Ripley was just sent off after doing virtually nothing
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 13, 2019, 08:21:52 PMSpoiler
I'm surprised that Ripley was just sent off after doing virtually nothing
Spoiler
When Gibson wrote the script, Weaver had said she didn't want to star in the film, but was willing to film a cameo. Her role in the story reflects that.
Have to admit this issue was way better. However, this should have been the halfway point of the story and not the climax.
I'm enjoying this series but man, maybe I'm getting old but I'm so confused trying to keep tabs on what is actually going on. That's no slight on the writing or artistry of Mr Christmas either rather me being plain ol thick.
Think I need to re-read from the first issue.
While i enjoyed the transformation, i did feel it was too quick. especially how i remember it in the script. and yeah this feels like the halfway point rather than the penultimate issue
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 13, 2019, 08:36:54 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 13, 2019, 08:21:52 PMSpoiler
I'm surprised that Ripley was just sent off after doing virtually nothing
Spoiler
When Gibson wrote the script, Weaver had said she didn't want to star in the film, but was willing to film a cameo. Her role in the story reflects that.
Oh okay that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying!
Quote from: Prez on Feb 14, 2019, 09:49:18 AM
I'm enjoying this series but man, maybe I'm getting old but I'm so confused trying to keep tabs on what is actually going on.
It's not you. The script and comic are straight nonsense.
And that transformation scene was straight up pathetic.
Really disappointed in the transformations. They had a chance to come up with some really cool hybrid designs, but it seems they chose the lazy "just a normal Xenomorph" route.
Quote from: skhellter on Feb 14, 2019, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: Prez on Feb 14, 2019, 09:49:18 AM
I'm enjoying this series but man, maybe I'm getting old but I'm so confused trying to keep tabs on what is actually going on.
It's not you. The script and comic are straight nonsense.
And that transformation scene was straight up pathetic.
I'm a bit of a different opinion in that I truly like the story and the artwork so far but I just found it hard to follow who was who (or rather where they were). I think that's more a problem of my overloaded, overtired and overworked brain of late. Need to re-read it again.
The concept of the Change wasn't a human/alien hybrid. Rather, it is that the Alien "lifeform", as a fundamental principle, gets more invasive and efficient with each experiment.
What's going on in the story is pretty simple: in this Cold War-like zone of outer space, both the commies and the capitalists obtain some samples, and they use it to run experiments. Said experiments become a highroad for the "lifeform" 's quick evolution.
I get you may have preferred some Resurrection-like hybrids here, Kurai, but it's just not the idea behind the Change. You aren't looking at humans merely contaminated by alien genetic experiments, you are looking at a fundamental principle devouring humans and replacing them.
Just finished issue 4 and really enjoyed it. I thought the hybrid was just a normal alien but in the last page you can see some big differences in design.
I hope Local Trouble has read this issue. Its chuck full of Skull, he'll love it. :laugh:
#❤TheSkull
I finally caught up on this series today, and it's pretty darn good! I'm liking the transformations. Hopefully we get more unmade scripts or something that plays more with ideas like the UPP.
It's defiently funny how all these years later this unmade script makes sense in light of Prometheus and Alien Covenant. :laugh:
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 02, 2019, 09:15:43 PM
It's defiently funny how all these years later this unmade script makes sense in light of Prometheus and Alien Covenant. :laugh:
As does Resurrection. ;)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 02, 2019, 05:14:14 PM
I hope Local Trouble has read this issue. Its chuck full of Skull, he'll love it. :laugh:
#❤TheSkull
I did notice, but I was able to cope by telling myself that's it not a true alien. In fact, I was hoping for even more differences between the two than what the comic gave us.
Agreed.
Wasnt it just a regular alien in the script?
No, it was described as a "hybrid," but Gibson kept it vague. Presumably to give the creature designers just enough to let their creative juices run with.
The first draft describes it as looking like a regular alien, and there's more than one of them. The second draft has only one and doesn't really describe it at all.
Yeah, I must agree with the above. I was hoping for some more noticeable or significant differences in the design. It's going to make the
Spoiler
fight between the two Aliens confusing
if I'm remembering that draft correectly.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 03, 2019, 11:49:51 AM
Yeah, I must agree with the above. I was hoping for some more noticeable or significant differences in the design. It's going to make the
Spoiler
fight between the two Aliens confusing
if I'm remembering that draft correectly.
I think itll be a case of
Spoiler
One having a clearly visible Skull and Red eyes and the other just looking like a Normal Warrior
Wish the hybrid = Neomorph.
*Shrugs*
Haven't read this yet, though I've been picking up the issues. Gonna go through 1-4 just before the final issue releases. What I've seen of the art so far has left a lot to be desired, however.
Pass, concerning the TPB myself.
A friend's recieving the singles.
Honestly I've only been skimming through these as I like to wait until the last issue releases before doing a full read-through. I think the imagery of the Xenomorph transformations is pretty interesting, reminds me of a few werewolf portrayals.
Dislike it myself, narratively and visually.
Imagine the same series with art by Tristan Jones.
No TY.
Whens the next issue dropping?
I believe the run finishes next week.
Perhaps acceptable.
Do you ever feel cursed with exceptionally high standards?
No.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2019, 06:03:00 PM
Do you ever feel cursed with exceptionally high standards?
Are you secretly a mind reader?
I feel like saying that to Old One sometimes, but I don't want to sound mean. :P
Taste is no curse.
It seems to be a detriment to your enjoyment of Bethesda RPGs though.
If it gets pushed back much more he'll have to change his name to Johnny Easter.
Get out.
I'm gonna be pissed if they adapt Eric Red's script and it has amazing art.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2019, 10:24:44 PM
Get out.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ozk95v33xx6qDC0/giphy.gif)
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 05, 2019, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2019, 10:24:44 PM
Get out.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ozk95v33xx6qDC0/giphy.gif)
I'm not sure what's got me laughing more: your joke or Hicks's response.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2019, 10:27:41 PM
I'm gonna be pissed if they adapt Eric Red's script and it has amazing art.
Ha. I'd love it! I really want to see an amazing take on the Xeno-station!!
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 05, 2019, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2019, 10:24:44 PM
Get out.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ozk95v33xx6qDC0/giphy.gif)
:laugh: Do you have the video that's from?
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 05, 2019, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 05, 2019, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2019, 10:24:44 PM
Get out.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ozk95v33xx6qDC0/giphy.gif)
I'm not sure what's got me laughing more: your joke or Hicks's response.
Go with both. :laugh:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2019, 10:27:41 PM
I'm gonna be pissed if they adapt Eric Red's script and it has amazing art.
Den Beauvais returns for it specially lol
Anyone noice that the TPB for this is now a Hardcover ?
Albeit standard trim.
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 08, 2019, 09:38:13 AM
Anyone noice that the TPB for this is now a Hardcover ?
Albeit standard trim.
Oooh! Good. Wish Dark Horse would release more Hardcover trades (not the big fancy pants ones).
Cool, hope it includes the original Alien 3. But doubt it.
On its own it serves as a William Gibson novel who has a fan base outside of Aliens.
Having read issue 5, I really have no idea how I feel about this series.
What happened to Newt? Did I miss something?
Just read through all 5 issues and overall I'm satisfied with this adaptation. It's an interesting take on the lore and it was fun seeing an alternate script get an "official" treatment. Reading the whole story in one go is such a better experience as my main critique was the slow build up which works with film but translates to an uneventful first couple of issues; however, the final two issues are quite a ride and ultimately left me intrigued as to where and how this alternate universe would continue on.
Quote from: Deaconschristpose on Mar 27, 2019, 05:13:46 PM
What happened to Newt? Did I miss something?
She was shuttled back to Earth on the Sulaco in issue 3
Lookin forward to seeing how this could turn out. Itd be a fantastic idea to see the story continue on as maybe a monthly.
RidgeTop and I are going to be chatting to him on Monday. So as usual I'd like to open the floor to questions.
I wouldn't mind seeing a further five issues that would be a hypothetical Gibson Alien 4.
Overall, a massive disappointment due to the bland art. It would make a good bridge to a Verheiden/Blomkamp-ish continuation of the story though.
I need to give this a full re read now. I must say that, at points, I found that the art did not run smoothly between panels.
What I mean by that is that it could get confusing as to which characters were in certain panels and I could get a little lost. I have never found that with a comic before.
Did anyone think this ?
You're not alone.
This took a script that wasn't very inspired, to begin with...
and didn't do it any favors.
This gets a YIKES/10 rating.
I absolutely loved seeing them finally visualise one of the older Alien 3 scripts, especially given Gibson's 2nd is my favourite of the scripts. From memory it seemed quite faithful but I'm gonna re-read the script and the series again over the weekend to see if anything stands out.
There were certainly some confusing moments that seemed like scenes being skipped - particularly towards the end - because of the page count running down but nothing enough to ruin the experience.
I do agree on the artwork, though, particularly the colouring. Coming from Dead Orbit, Hunters 2 and Dust to Dust, it certainly seemed like a bit of a step-down. Particularly that bright colour palette. Where as the original draft was Aliens in over-drive, the second was more in the vein of Alien and would have been better suited by a style more in-line with that tone. I wouldn't say it made the series a massive disappointment for me, but it certainly knocked it down a couple of marks.
I really quite liked the art in the first 2 issues but it seemed that the art was rushed and more inconsistent by the end.
May be due to trying to hit targets for issue release dates.
Wasn't this comic announced back in December 2017?
Nah. It was teased last Alien Day, announced July.
Yeah. Im pretty sure this was released on schedule.
?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 27, 2019, 07:34:16 PM
RidgeTop and I are going to be chatting to him on Monday. So as usual I'd like to open the floor to questions.
You will be chatting with William Gibson?
Johnnie Christmas.
Ah okay well I'd like to ask - How did you decide to distinguish the mutated Xenomorph from the normal one? What are the biological differences between the two creatures?
I did enjoy this series as a whole but did feel that this final issue was rushed. To me it felt like it needed one more issue.
But i agree with the notion of them continuing in this Gibsonverse
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 27, 2019, 05:40:39 PM
Just read through all 5 issues and overall I'm satisfied with this adaptation. It's an interesting take on the lore and it was fun seeing an alternate script get an "official" treatment. Reading the whole story in one go is such a better experience as my main critique was the slow build up which works with film but translates to an uneventful first couple of issues; however, the final two issues are quite a ride and ultimately left me intrigued as to where and how this alternate universe would continue on.
Quote from: Deaconschristpose on Mar 27, 2019, 05:13:46 PM
What happened to Newt? Did I miss something?
She was shuttled back to Earth on the Sulaco in issue 3
I figured I'd forgotten. Going monthly with a story can do that to me apparently. I guess I was also expecting her to have more of a presence, I've never read the script.
Overall, I thought the comic was well done, the story was ok. Call me crazy but I think I like the film we got more, though I'm very curious to see how the action of this comic would've looked on film.
Hello all,
I have not posted here in a long time (I think the last time I was here was several years ago after I had just played and finished Aliens: Infestation)
I just finished this mini series and wanted to share my thoughts with other people who have read it. Of course my opinion/review doesn't matter as much as those of long term posters and perhaps more dedicated fans on this forum.
So if you don't care for the thoughts of a newbie just ignore it.
First of all I am a really critical Alien fan, really critical.
For example while I like Aliens as a sci-fi action movie I personally feel now that adding the queen was a mistake to the alien mythology and have come to prefer the egg morphing idea instead. (feels more truly bizarre/extraterrestrial for me)
And I don't like that the aliens are now akin to bees or ants in space.
Edit: I did not care really for Prometheus and Covenant at all and disliked the movie storylines and ideas/revelations behind the Pilots.
Likewise I am pretty critical of the Expanded Universe/spin off material. I definitely love some of the games such as Infestation, Isolation, AvP2, and older games like Alien 3 on the SNES, Sega - 16 bit, and Gameboy. Oh and the AvP game as an action game, not so much as an alien game.
I have read almost all of the comics by Dark Horse (perhaps I missed a few here and there) and some of the AvP ones. But I have not read any of the books and have little interest to do so after reading their description.
Well that is not entirely true, I am currently reading the Cold Forge after reading the recommendations here.
But in general I am not a big fan of the expanded universe; the only Aliens comic that I genuinely liked was Aliens Apocalypse: The Destroying Angels. (and Predator Hell and Hot Water by the same writer)
Okay reintroduction story over, I just wanted to give some background on my own interest in the franchise.
In general I really like William Gibson's Alien 3 (second script) and if this has been a movie I would have watched it even if it may have been a little slow as other people here might have pointed out.
I definitely would have preferred it over the Alien 3 movie we got even if I do love the atmosphere of that one. (just don't care much for the characters)
In comparison to the first script by Gibson for Alien 3 which felt more like trying to do Aliens over again this one was more subdued (hope I am using that word right) and plot building which I really enjoyed.
I also happen to be a fan of the DNA-reflex/alien genetic material can spread like a virus. It is a little underused perhaps here in the story as it could have been a cool plot device that both the characters and watchers/readers would not know who is infected.
Of course the story also has a few cons.
The major ones here perhaps being the art or in particular sometimes the art style as I like others here really had hoped that the UPP Interceptor design had been something different and like the UPP warship had been more in the style of something Syd Mead would have made up. The artist should perhaps really have consulted his art book or designs by other designers or fans in a similar style.
Edit: and the Kansas for that matter. I would rather have seen something like the Legato being reused https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/File:USS_Legato.jpg
The art itself also really lacked some of the detail that we have seen in some of the other current Alien mini series.
The second criticism is another issue also brought up here; the page count. After the slow buildup in the first three issues it really feels that the story had to be finished, this story could really have used a sixth issue for the second half/last part of the story as the characters seek to escape from the station.
That was indeed rather a disappointment.
Still I would put this one next to the other comic I mentioned I might pick up from time to time and read again.
Oh I would also love to see more stories in this "Gibsonverse" though I doubt that that will happen.
This was such a disappointment. The art was not good IMO. Can't make out and recognize the faces of Hicks and Bishop in too many panels. The coloring was worse, mostly in that it doesn't work at all with Alien. I really can't judge the story because the art was so distracting. I'm sure with a different take, more moody lighting and a darker color scheme that the story would be presented better.
As of now, I really didn't enjoy the comic. Yet I do want to see these scripts get made, like Wards one especially. Just pick the right artist for the job.
No offense to the creator, I'm sure their work would be perfect in a different story, I just personally didn't enjoy this.
I've only skimmed through this, waiting for the TPB to be released.
Seems like Hicks didn't really do anything here? Maybe it's just the problem that I am unable to distinguish him from others.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 28, 2019, 08:32:08 PM
. I'm sure with a different take, more moody lighting and a darker color scheme that the story would be presented better. .
My primary critique would be that the coloring was too bright. A more muted palette would've truly improved the atmosphere in my opinion.
Im still waiting on the last issue but ive enjoyed the series so far. I havent had the problems other people seem to be having recognizing people and keeping track of whats happening. The only complaint i have is that the coloring is indeed too bright.
Otherwise its been a fun little what if.
I had to re read almost a whole back issue every time I started a new issue and several times I flipped through the entire series and recapped what is going on on each page leading up to where I was confused at. The story was trash, waaaay too convoluted for this medium. Hicks and Bishop were mostly indistinguishable as many have pointed out and Hicks and Newt were largely irrelevant. I didn't care about a single character except for Hicks, Newt, and Ripley and caring for them is due to Aliens not Gibson's Alien 3 anyways. Art was meh but while I'm certainly qualified to judge a narrative i'm relatively new to judging art so take my comments on the art with a grain of salt.
Overall I'm super happy for new Alien anything and glad the franchise is still putting fresh shoots out into the sunlight however, the story just wasn't there on this one and the art was just ok I guess. Possibly if you've read his script, this will work for you as it's kind of like someone's notes on a story rather than a whole story. Bottom line, there's nothing remarkable about it at all I'm sad to say.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2019, 09:54:46 PM
Im still waiting on the last issue but ive enjoyed the series so far. I havent had the problems other people seem to be having recognizing people and keeping track of whats happening. The only complaint i have is that the coloring is indeed too bright.
Otherwise its been a fun little what if.
Yeah, I can't say I've been having issues with character recognition either.
Character identification isn't a problem for me. My issue is that some scenes do not flow very well.
One example for me was the lab scene when the blonde woman turns and another character is going ape. There were about 6 characters present but because the architecture of the ship in the art looks all the same..... it was like i was reading two different scenes. I got a little lost and had to read back to realise it was all one scene and everyone was there. It just did not flow very well in my opinion.
I am really happy we got this and once i get through some 'Swamp Thing' that I am currently reading, ill be re reading in one sitting. More thoughts to come.
This is how it ends, not with a bang but a whimper. The boxy, generic USCSS Kansas City in the final page is the perfect encapsulation of everything that was wrong with this series.
Art aside, the script was a dud since we got no memorable new characters and the ones who crossed over from Aliens were wasted. Hicks was literally just along for the ride.
I still haven't read the last two issues, but the first three had a lot of cramped panel layouts. Gotta make room for six pages of ads somehow, I guess.
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 30, 2019, 04:36:33 PMCharacter identification isn't a problem for me. My issue is that some scenes do not flow very well.
I thought this too. I've actually read the script a few times and I still found it hard to keep track of what was going on where at times.
There wasn't actually a great deal missing from the script. A couple of instances of dialogue and the biggest sequence was probably Halliday and Hicks' introduction. The ending is about as fast as it is in the script. It's a really faithful adaptation.
To it's detriment, I think. While I do love this particular draft, it did need a tidy. Things like Fox's motivation stuck out and the climax was rushed. While I like it's particularly faithful and not snipped down, I wouldn't have minded seeing Johnnie try and fix some elements.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 01, 2019, 11:51:21 AMThe ending is about as fast as it is in the script. It's a really faithful adaptation.
You sure? I really should re read the script. I could swear the final part of the story, after the aliens are introduced was a lot longer.
For some reason, I always pictured Outland's visuals in my head whenever I read the Gibson script. The comic had none of that though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 01, 2019, 11:51:21 AM
There wasn't actually a great deal missing from the script. A couple of instances of dialogue and the biggest sequence was probably Halliday and Hicks' introduction. The ending is about as fast as it is in the script. It's a really faithful adaptation.
To it's detriment, I think. While I do love this particular draft, it did need a tidy. Things like Fox's motivation stuck out and the climax was rushed. While I like it's particularly faithful and not snipped down, I wouldn't have minded seeing Johnnie try and fix some elements.
I always remember there being a lot more of an outbreak with far more of the new and traditional Aliens. Is that the first draft that I have read or am I completely Of base and need to re read ?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 01, 2019, 10:28:09 AM
I thought this too. I've actually read the script a few times and I still found it hard to keep track of what was going on where at times.
Could definitely have used a 6th issue to flesh the scenes out and be more clear throughout.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 01, 2019, 08:12:40 PMI always remember there being a lot more of an outbreak with far more of the new and traditional Aliens. Is that the first draft that I have read or am I completely Of base and need to re read ?
That was the first draft of the script in which there were many more people on the station including the presence of Colonial Marines.
This comic is based on the second version which is a bit more restrained regarding aliens and combat.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 01, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
I always remember there being a lot more of an outbreak with far more of the new and traditional Aliens. Is that the first draft that I have read or am I completely Of base and need to re read ?
Definitely thinking of the first draft. The second is much more restrained.
So RidgeTop and I just finished chatting to Johnnie. Interestingly, the Interceptor being a dropship came from Fox. His original concepts were more in line with the Defiant from Star Trek. He had also been expecting the colour pallette to be more in line with Alien/s.
Quite frankly, a Defiant ripoff doesn't sound any better. In fact, if the Kansas City is any indication of what they do when they have actual creative freedom then I'm glad we got the dropship instead.
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Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 01, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
I always remember there being a lot more of an outbreak with far more of the new and traditional Aliens. Is that the first draft that I have read or am I completely Of base and need to re read ?
Definitely thinking of the first draft. The second is much more restrained.
So RidgeTop and I just finished chatting to Johnnie. Interestingly, the Interceptor being a dropship came from Fox. His original concepts were more in line with the Defiant from Star Trek. He had also been expecting the colour pallette to be more in line with Alien/s.
I take it my Easter joke didn't get passed along. :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 01, 2019, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 01, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
I always remember there being a lot more of an outbreak with far more of the new and traditional Aliens. Is that the first draft that I have read or am I completely Of base and need to re read ?
Definitely thinking of the first draft. The second is much more restrained.
So RidgeTop and I just finished chatting to Johnnie. Interestingly, the Interceptor being a dropship came from Fox. His original concepts were more in line with the Defiant from Star Trek. He had also been expecting the colour pallette to be more in line with Alien/s.
I don't actually think I have read the second draft. For some reason I thought the one I read was the 2nd. It would be a nice extra to have in the Hardcover release. The script I mean.
Did you do a podcast with Johnnie ?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 01, 2019, 09:22:38 PMSo RidgeTop and I just finished chatting to Johnnie. Interestingly, the Interceptor being a dropship came from Fox. His original concepts were more in line with the Defiant from Star Trek. He had also been expecting the colour pallette to be more in line with Alien/s.
Interesting/disappointing.
Quote from: The Dutch Ghost on Apr 01, 2019, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 01, 2019, 08:12:40 PMI always remember there being a lot more of an outbreak with far more of the new and traditional Aliens. Is that the first draft that I have read or am I completely Of base and need to re read ?
That was the first draft of the script in which there were many more people on the station including the presence of Colonial Marines.
This comic is based on the second version which is a bit more restrained regarding aliens and combat.
Regarding combat, I seem to remember Hicks taking some marines outside the station and needing to cross to another portion and fighting Xeno's outside. Is that right ?
Yeah, that was how the first draft ended.
It got taken out in the second, presumably because Fox read it and balked at how much a sequence like that would cost at the turn of the 90s.
Man, I need to re read the first draft and then read the 2nd.
I still remember then going outside the station at the end in the second draft. Gonna have to re-read lol
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 02, 2019, 07:29:35 AM
Did you do a podcast with Johnnie ?
Yeah, we recorded a chat with him yesterday. Will probably be up in a few weeks. Currently working on editing the 40th Anniversary Shorts review episode atm.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Apr 02, 2019, 11:19:47 AM
I still remember then going outside the station at the end in the second draft. Gonna have to re-read lol
Definitely the first. Both are available to read in our downloads section if anyone wants any reminders: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/downloads/
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 02, 2019, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 01, 2019, 09:22:38 PMSo RidgeTop and I just finished chatting to Johnnie. Interestingly, the Interceptor being a dropship came from Fox. His original concepts were more in line with the Defiant from Star Trek. He had also been expecting the colour pallette to be more in line with Alien/s.
Interesting/disappointing.
Space Hind!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2019, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 02, 2019, 07:29:35 AM
Did you do a podcast with Johnnie ?
Yeah, we recorded a chat with him yesterday. Will probably be up in a few weeks. Currently working on editing the 40th Anniversary Shorts review episode atm.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Apr 02, 2019, 11:19:47 AM
I still remember then going outside the station at the end in the second draft. Gonna have to re-read lol
Definitely the first. Both are available to read in our downloads section if anyone wants any reminders: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/downloads/
They don't have a big fight outside in the second draft, but I think they hang around on the truck for a bit before the end.
Just as is in the comic.
I re-read the end of the second draft. Yeah i was mixing it with the end of the first. The only real difference is Halliday's fate (which i prefer in the script)
I just re read this through in one sitting.
Much better than reading it over the course of 5 months.
My critiques of it are that the art was a little lacking with regards to the human characters. Bishop looked great all the time yet Hicks looks nothing like Michael Biehn. Some times the characters lack detail. Christmas can clearly knock out some good artwork. The covers are awesome and as said, Bishop looks great.
The Aliens started to suffer by the last issue as well. I'm wondering if hitting the deadlines with this comic became more of a focus than polishing the line work.
The colour pallets could have been muted a little.
My biggest problem with the book. On two occasions, the panel transitions are pretty bad and tell an unclear story. The scenes in question were, first, when we see the new creature for the first time. Second is the climactic scene in the shuttle bay.
In spite of those issues, i am really happy we got this and quite enjoyed my re read. I really love how well this story retroactivly fits with the new lore that Prometheus and Covenant have added.
I personally would like for this adaptation to spawn a series to follow. An alt universe. Having said that. You could almost read Book One as the next if you are willing to ignore some small discrepancies.
I'll be getting this, in the form of the Hardcover that's coming, if we get some nice bonus material. If it includes the script its an instant buy.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 05, 2019, 12:05:39 PM
I personally would like for this adaptation to spawn a series to follow. An alt universe. Having said that. You could almost read Book One as the next if you are willing to ignore some small discrepancies.
That's what I've been saying. It makes me suspect that Verheiden may have even read the Gibson script and thought it was going to be produced when he wrote his comics.
Okay, so strange thing -- considering that the first draft was rejected for being way too crazy and expensive to even try, I figured Dark Horse would make an attempt at it considering comic books. But they went with the more subdued second draft. Why is this? Give the series a full 6-issues
Spoiler
maybe 8
with some time, it would've been a spectacle.
I was a little surprised too, given that I figured the more OTT first draft would better translate to the comic format.
I assume because they didn't want crazy, they wanted all around better. The second draft still had issues that warranted another polish, but it was a better script.
Finally received the last issue. The art really took a dive in this one, the aliens looked very cartoon like.
Overall it was okay, i was expecting something different when this was announced though. I don't think the visuals jived well with the story.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 10, 2019, 08:29:26 AM
I assume because they didn't want crazy, they wanted all around better. The second draft still had issues that warranted another polish, but it was a better script.
Ultimately it was their decision and that second draft was a more palatable experience, nothing much can be done about it now. Just can't get the what if's outta my mind.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 10, 2019, 11:40:31 AM
Finally received the last issue. The art really took a dive in this one, the aliens looked very cartoon like.
Overall it was okay, i was expecting something different when this was announced though. I don't think the visuals jived well with the story.
I agree with you on the visuals, hell I couldn't help but chuckle at this bit right here --
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/3a1axej.jpg)
Wow that...looks like something from ferngully.
Did this sell well? I hope it did, so that Fox and other studios see an incentive for adapting discarded scripts. WB/DC has a mother load they're sitting on and could make strong comics out of.
Hi, longtime lurker here. Thought I'd make a contribution. I enjoyed the comic series overall. If they do adapt the other unused Alien 3 scripts, I wonder if they might make them continuations rather than separate adaptations. Vincent Ward's script could follow on from Gibson's, with some amendments that leave out the references to the Sulaco and Newt. As Ripley was unconscious for most of the events of Gibson's script, she'd have no recollection of her time on Anchorpoint Station. So on Arceon, she'd thinks that she's come directly from the Sulaco rather than Anchorpoint. Any thoughts on this?
I'm disappointed that Forbidden Planet haven't shipped my copy of issue 5 yet >:(
Quote from: Arceon on Apr 12, 2019, 10:09:21 AM
Hi, longtime lurker here. Thought I'd make a contribution. I enjoyed the comic series overall. If they do adapt the other unused Alien 3 scripts, I wonder if they might make them continuations rather than separate adaptations. Vincent Ward's script could follow on from Gibson's, with some amendments that leave out the references to the Sulaco and Newt. As Ripley was unconscious for most of the events of Gibson's script, she'd have no recollection of her time on Anchorpoint Station. So on Arceon, she'd thinks that she's come directly from the Sulaco rather than Anchorpoint. Any thoughts on this?
That could actually work
Our interview with Johnnie is now up :)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2019/05/03/visualizing-the-unknown-interview-with-johnnie-christmas-avp-galaxy-podcast-87/
Home time commute listening sorted!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2019, 05:40:17 AM
Our interview with Johnnie is now up :)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2019/05/03/visualizing-the-unknown-interview-with-johnnie-christmas-avp-galaxy-podcast-87/
Great interview! I can't help but wonder what the comic would look like if he had done the colors though.
My written review is up now: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/william-gibsons-alien-3/
Podcast episode will be up Monday morning (GMT).
This sort of confused me. I thought it was a review of the script. Didn't you do that already? Or did a podcast about it.
We did a podcast breakdown of the first draft. This is a review of the comic adaptation of the second draft.
Podcast discussion is now up: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode088.mp3
This is cool, I was so looking forward what you guys thoughts are on that series. I have to say, it was nice to read a story where Newt and Hicks have survived but in result I think that wouldn't have been a better movie then Alien3. A lot of that stuff didn't worked out for me.
But this is also just a first draft sript by one guy. In hollywood there are usually up to 20 people involved with rewrites and polishing of dialogues. Maye the finished film would have been much different from this script. But I'm complete ok with that movie we got. It is a very terrifying film that makes you feel uncomfortable and it did a finish line for that trilogy.
Great Podcast Guys! :) I loved the Comic and keen for the audio book!
but at the end of the day so happy with the film we got. I know I say it on the regular but I love ALIEN³.
Yeah, I've never really thought any of the undeveloped scripts were as good as the movie we got, even with the flaws it had.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 14, 2019, 08:57:28 AM
Yeah, I've never really thought any of the undeveloped scripts were as good as the movie we got, even with the flaws it had.
To be honest, the only one I've read is the David Twohy one.
Alien 3 is better than that script, and the eventual movie that came of it: The Chronicles of Riddick. Btw, how did Fox not sue him for plagiarism? They were the ones who paid him to write it, they were the ones who owned it.
The David Twohy one is that I interestet in most. I'm very curious in witch direction he was going. This was his pre-riddick time. But when I watch the Riddick movies, every time I realise how good his characters are shaped. I think he could totally write a good alien movie.
Twohy's is my favourite of the ditched scripts too. Other than the anti-climactic ending it's reasonably solid.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 14, 2019, 08:57:28 AM
Yeah, I've never really thought any of the undeveloped scripts were as good as the movie we got, even with the flaws it had.
To be fair, many of them didn't really get past the first pass.
Twohy, Ward, and Gibson all felt pretty solid to me.
Reds was just...shite.
Gibson's always lacked tension. Twohy's could've been alright after some extra drafts. I still want to see Ward's, mad as it was.
Great podcast.
I enjoyed this adaptation pretty much. It was obvious that Gibson's draft requires some polish but overall i think it had big potential to be a great movie. And it was good to see Hicks and Bishop again.
I hope it had financial success so DH will be interested to do more. I'd love to see Ward script's adaptation.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 14, 2019, 03:46:34 PM
Twohy's is my favourite of the ditched scripts too. Other than the anti-climactic ending it's reasonably solid.
They'll never complain about prison meals again
I just wanna see the toilet abduction.
Even an audio drama would do.
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:09:27 PMI just wanna see the toilet abduction.
Watch
Deep Rising.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 15, 2019, 06:32:49 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:09:27 PMI just wanna see the toilet abduction.
Watch Deep Rising.
That wasn't good enough.
Ward's Alien 3 will do for bathrooms what jaws did for the sea.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2Falien-nerd-gamer-viciado-cagando-banheiro-nerdingow.jpg&hash=9734a57aced7e5e5472a5c31716892e26ba24108)
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 15, 2019, 06:32:49 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:09:27 PMI just wanna see the toilet abduction.
Watch Deep Rising.
That wasn't good enough.
Ward's Alien 3 will do for bathrooms what jaws did for the sea.
The equivalent to opening a toilet lid just to see a multitude of dangerous spiders come scurrying out from underneath it.
Or a snake finding itself cozy inside of it without you realizing. Ward must've done the writers version of method acting by taking a trip to Australia and experience day-to-day terror before writing his script.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/f81954f8d77ffac37b6f2eb88998e9b7)
I get spiders in the toilet.
But that's because we turn into a jungle for like 7 months out of the year.
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:09:27 PM
I just wanna see the toilet abduction.
Why would someone abduct a toilet?
Quote from: Monster Man on May 15, 2019, 11:59:17 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 15, 2019, 06:32:49 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:09:27 PMI just wanna see the toilet abduction.
Watch Deep Rising.
That wasn't good enough.
Ward's Alien 3 will do for bathrooms what jaws did for the sea.
The equivalent to opening a toilet lid just to see a multitude of dangerous spiders come scurrying out from underneath it.
Or a snake finding itself cozy inside of it without you realizing. Ward must've done the writers version of method acting by taking a trip to Australia and experience day-to-day terror before writing his script.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/f81954f8d77ffac37b6f2eb88998e9b7)
Ward
is from New Zealand, maybe they have similar deadly wildlife.
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 16, 2019, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: Monster Man on May 15, 2019, 11:59:17 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 15, 2019, 06:32:49 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:09:27 PMI just wanna see the toilet abduction.
Watch Deep Rising.
That wasn't good enough.
Ward's Alien 3 will do for bathrooms what jaws did for the sea.
The equivalent to opening a toilet lid just to see a multitude of dangerous spiders come scurrying out from underneath it.
Or a snake finding itself cozy inside of it without you realizing. Ward must've done the writers version of method acting by taking a trip to Australia and experience day-to-day terror before writing his script.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/f81954f8d77ffac37b6f2eb88998e9b7)
Ward is from New Zealand, maybe they have similar deadly wildlife.
Not much anymore. Moa were wiped out long ago, as were the eagles that preyed upon them.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 16, 2019, 12:43:38 AM
Quote from: Huggs on May 15, 2019, 06:09:27 PM
I just wanna see the toilet abduction.
Why would someone abduct a toilet?
That's something we keep in the Recess Thread.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 16, 2019, 01:30:24 AM
Being that it's NZ, are you talking about the children of Shelob and the Great Eagles?
Moa were the Godzilla of kiwis (could be a metre and half taller than the Australian Prehistoric Murder Bird (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassowary)). Haast's Eagle ate moa.
Quote from: SM on May 16, 2019, 01:37:12 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 16, 2019, 01:30:24 AM
Being that it's NZ, are you talking about the children of Shelob and the Great Eagles?
Moa were the Godzilla of kiwis (could be a metre and half taller than the Australian Prehistoric Murder Bird (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassowary)). Haast's Eagle ate moa.
Giantism is a helluva drug. Closest thing we'll ever get to a dinosaur killing humans.
I also love Cassowaries, those guys can be chill or incredibly aggro. (https://www.sciencealert.com/a-florida-man-has-been-killed-by-a-cassowary-apparently-the-world-s-most-dangerous-bird)
NZ sounds like an alien planet.
Anybody tell it looks like an Alien planet?
(https://www.nzfilm.co.nz/sites/default/files/styles/ratio_16_x_6__2x_large_/public/alien-milford-sound-1.jpg?itok=_gv2auUZ×tamp=1513652156)
Have you made a pilgrimage?
*hipster engage* I went there before it was a location.
Have you ever been mistaken for a Kiwi?
No.
Have you?
I could never pull off the accent.
It's pronounced "ex-sint".
I know i'm bit late with my opinion here (as usual 'sigh') but i just must say that i love that comic. It realy has grown on me. I had known about Gibson's drafts before but this comic really made me believe that this story could potentially worked as Aliens sequel. I really dig artwork and often revisit one or another issue. I like characters and i think all of them have their moment to shine. Hicks and Bishop were believable and interesting protagonists to follow. I love that concept of confrontation of two political blocks (funny enough 'cause i would be rather in UPP camp if such thing happened :D).
I don't know that story just played right bits for me.
I got a question for y'all. the William Gibson Alien 3 comic digital issues are on sale for 99 cents currently on comixology and I was debating on getting those but I usually hold off buying single issues in favor of the TPB be it physical or digital and I was curious if you guys knew if the TPB would have some kind of extra content that would be make it worth waiting for over the issues. Thanks!
I'm tossing up what to do with Alien 3 as well. I missed issues 3 and 4, so might wait and get the digital trade version. Looking at prices for digital trades of Dust to Dust and Defiance, it seems much cheaper.
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2019, 06:16:34 AM
I'm tossing up what to do with Alien 3 as well. I missed issues 3 and 4, so might wait and get the digital trade version. Looking at prices for digital trades of Dust to Dust and Defiance, it seems much cheaper.
EBay has physical copies of issues 3 & 4 for reasonable prices.
Pricey when the shipping is included though.
I bought Resistance all digitally, and was pretty happy reading it that way.
Till I got a couple of issues signed by Tristan. :laugh:
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2019, 08:45:40 AM
Pricey when the shipping is included though.
I bought Resistance all digitally, and was pretty happy reading it that way.
Till I got a couple of issues signed by Tristan. :laugh:
Depends where you're based. I'm in UK and have seen them for about £3 including postage.
That's not bad.
So the TPB doesn't look like it includes anything special beyond the 5 issues from what they've released so far right?
I believe it has a foreword by William Gibson. Not sure what else.
IIRC it's supposed to have some earlier concept sketches too.
The hardcover of this is being released tomorrow... SRP. USD $19.99
Picked up my Hardcover Trade today. It's beautiful. Some nice extra prelim character study illustrations and covers at the back of the book.
Quote from: Prez on Jul 25, 2019, 10:44:10 AM
Picked up my Hardcover Trade today. It's beautiful. Some nice extra prelim character study illustrations and covers at the back of the book.
Any chance of some pics.
Got the hardcover as well, quality is really great. really nice format.
Is the book broken up into chapters or does it play out like a movie from beginning to end without breaks?
Finished the audio drama.
Oy Vey
I give it 1/5
Really? I thought it was pretty good. Certainly the interpretation was good, even if the overall story could have used another draft or two. Do tell.
Well, a few things I can quickly think of would be
1. A terrible fake southern accent. Being a southerner, this was annoying.
2. Characters just standing around and seemingly calm while this lady changes into an alien right in front of them.
3. It seemed very uneventful overall.
4. I thought the station was supposed to be pretty big, but all of a sudden it's like there's only 8 people.
I have the utmost respect for Dirk. His work has been amazing and I enjoy it immensely, but I think this would've been a much better experience for me personally had it followed the more action heavy script and at least doubled the runtime. It really could've blown all the others out of the water. This just felt kind of empty and forced.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 01, 2019, 03:23:44 AM
Well, a few things I can quickly think of would be
1. A terrible fake southern accent. Being a southerner, this was annoying.
2. Characters just standing around and seemingly calm while this lady changes into an alien right in front of them.
3. It seemed very uneventful overall.
4. I thought the station was supposed to be pretty big, but all of a sudden it's like there's only 8 people.
I have the utmost respect for Dirk. His work has been amazing and I enjoy it immensely, but I think this would've been a much better experience for me personally had it followed the more action heavy script and at least doubled the runtime. It really could've blown all the others out of the water. This just felt kind of empty and forced.
Some valid points. Point number two is by far the most contentious point for me. It is too much, I agree. However, if she went all Fifield, that might have made more sense. I didn't catch the southern accent bit. Who are you referring to? I think Michael Biehn played an excellent role. Lance Henriksen too, though you could tell his age through his voice.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 01, 2019, 01:40:33 AM
Finished the audio drama.
Oy Vey
I give it 1/5
Ouch.
Just got an e-mail from Amazon UK saying the hardcover collection for this now has an estimated release date in 1-2 months?! Bummer :(
May have to settle for the paperback elsewhere.
Might have to look somewhere local, Keyes. I picked up my hard-cover last week and love it. Love those concept sketches.
Quote from: Keyes on Aug 09, 2019, 10:29:24 AM
Just got an e-mail from Amazon UK saying the hardcover collection for this now has an estimated release date in 1-2 months?! Bummer :(
May have to settle for the paperback elsewhere.
Hang tight. They messed up the orders for Gears of War Ascendance, as well. Then they reordered when they realised, and now it's available for next day delivery. You'll probably find it'll actually be delivered within a few days of release.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2019, 10:38:45 AM
Might have to look somewhere local, Keyes. I picked up my hard-cover last week and love it. Love those concept sketches.
Did you pick yours up at Forbidden Planet?
No, from my local independent store.
^
5 Stars * * * * *
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2019, 10:38:45 AM
Might have to look somewhere local, Keyes. I picked up my hard-cover last week and love it. Love those concept sketches.
Any chance you can throw up some pics of the book. The build and extras. That sort of thing ?
Just got the hardcover in the mail today. Looking forward to finally checking this out.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 10, 2019, 03:55:30 PM
Just got the hardcover in the mail today. Looking forward to finally checking this out.
I'm reading through it right now - as someone not terribly familiar with Gibson's script, it feels a little... disjointed, for some reason. I can't tell if that's the fault of the script or the adaptation, though.
My plan is to read through the comic, then read the script, then listen to the audio drama.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 10, 2019, 05:52:46 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 10, 2019, 03:55:30 PM
Just got the hardcover in the mail today. Looking forward to finally checking this out.
I'm reading through it right now - as someone not terribly familiar with Gibson's script, it feels a little... disjointed, for some reason. I can't tell if that's the fault of the script or the adaptation, though.
My plan is to read through the comic, then read the script, then listen to the audio drama.
That's a good idea. I'm still planning on combining the audio drama and comic into an... Audio comic?
It already exists
Indeed, it do.
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 10, 2019, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2019, 10:38:45 AM
Might have to look somewhere local, Keyes. I picked up my hard-cover last week and love it. Love those concept sketches.
Any chance you can throw up some pics of the book. The build and extras. That sort of thing ?
Yeah, I'll try and remember later. :)
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 12, 2019, 04:55:21 AM
Indeed, it do.
Link?
It's fan made on Youtube and likely breaching not one but two copyrights.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 10, 2019, 05:52:46 PMI'm reading through it right now - as someone not terribly familiar with Gibson's script, it feels a little... disjointed, for some reason. I can't tell if that's the fault of the script or the adaptation, though.
As someone who knew the script reasonably well before this adaptation, I gotta say I found the comic a little hard to follow at times as well.
The comic felt a bit jumpy and weirdly paced, more so than the script. The panel layouts were part of that, but I've beaten that dead horse enough.
Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2019, 07:50:53 AM
It's fan made on Youtube and likely breaching not one but two copyrights.
It is indeed. I wasn't going to release on YouTube for that exact reason. I kinda hope they don't get caught out before the whole thing is finished because it'll save me a job...
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 12, 2019, 05:45:25 PM
The comic felt a bit jumpy and weirdly paced, more so than the script. The panel layouts were part of that, but I've beaten that dead horse enough.
I did also find the comic a bit hard to follow as well. Part of the reason I wanted to combine the comic with the audio drama was to make it clearer what's happening. The audio drama is was easier to understand.
I finished reading the comic and... it sure was a comic book, I guess.
Maybe reading the script and listening to the audio drama will salvage it, but I didn't think the comic was that hot. Ripley (and to a lesser degree, Newt) gets written out of the plot in the laziest way possible, Hicks (and to a lesser degree, Bishop) is a non-character who is given nothing to do and feels flat and lifeless, shit just kind of.... happens, it's all very inferior to the Alien3 we got.
There was some stuff that just didn't make sense.
On a visual level, giving the UPP soldiers a USCM dropship was lazy and didn't make a whole lot of sense. They're an independent and potentially hostile military, what are they doing with USCM tech? Like I could come up with explanations, but that doesn't make it less stupid.
It took me a good while to figure out of the weapons division people were from the military or from W-Y and I'm not quite sure why.
Speaking of, the corporate woman mutating out of nowhere caught me totally off-guard, I had to flip back and make sure I hadn't skipped a page somewhere. Like, she gets sucker-punched and the very next panel is her mutating like something out of 'The Thing'.
The Sulaco gets intentionally diverted through UPP space to get to Anchorpoint because it's the shortest route.... but the Sulaco had apparently been out in space for four years since 'Aliens'? Wait, what? Like, the four year gap not only doesn't make sense, it's totally inconsequential to the story so why include it?
I mean, I'm glad this exists - it's kind of an oddity and seeing a rejected script get visually adapted is a novel idea. I'd like it if they took a crack at adapting other script drafts like the Ward or Twohy scripts.
But yeah this story was not good, or at least it wasn't executed well. I'll see if the actual script or the audio drama change my mind.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 16, 2019, 01:59:46 AM
Speaking of, the corporate woman mutating out of nowhere caught me totally off-guard, I had to flip back and make sure I hadn't skipped a page somewhere. Like, she gets sucker-punched and the very next panel is her mutating like something out of 'The Thing'.
She was infected, along with Spence, when the eggs broke containment. That's why they both mutated.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 16, 2019, 01:59:46 AMRipley (and to a lesser degree, Newt) gets written out of the plot in the laziest way possible, Hicks (and to a lesser degree, Bishop) is a non-character who is given nothing to do and feels flat and lifeless.
Ripley was written out because at the time Gibson was hired to do the script, she didn't want to be in the film other than a cameo.
Hicks and Bishop (Hicks especially) came across far more prominently in the script. They seemed to be really dialled back into the background in the comic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 16, 2019, 07:46:18 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 16, 2019, 01:59:46 AM
Speaking of, the corporate woman mutating out of nowhere caught me totally off-guard, I had to flip back and make sure I hadn't skipped a page somewhere. Like, she gets sucker-punched and the very next panel is her mutating like something out of 'The Thing'.
She was infected, along with Spence, when the eggs broke containment. That's why they both mutated.
I gathered that much, just the mutation itself was so abrupt and paced so poorly in the comic. Like it covers the entire mutation with no preamble in 2 panels.
honestly the comic shouldve been another 3 issues so it was an 8 issue series... i think the comics pacing was a bit rushed. it was good, i enjoyed it... but the first 2 books were perfect pacing then the rest of the 3 were like crammed together and leaving out details and pacing!
I finished the audio drama, I liked it a lot more than the comic. The pacing felt more on-point, the characters didn't feel flat and lifeless, some things were explained better, and all around it was a more enjoyable experience.
Quote from: DorkiDori on Aug 17, 2019, 04:23:33 AM
honestly the comic shouldve been another 3 issues so it was an 8 issue series... i think the comics pacing was a bit rushed. it was good, i enjoyed it... but the first 2 books were perfect pacing then the rest of the 3 were like crammed together and leaving out details and pacing!
Film adaptations rarely run even four issues, nevermind five.
That means the Gibson comic adaptation really f**ked up the pacing, if it simultaneously needed both more and fewer issues.
This was neat, and there's no telling how the film would have been executed, but I'll stick with the Alien 3 we got. Parts of it I enjoyed, but I didn't think Hicks and Bishop had a presence that felt very satisfying among other things. There were some cool visuals and interesting ideas, and it seemed to actually tie in weirdly close to Prometheus/Covenant in certain ways which was an odd surprise.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 20, 2019, 05:08:32 PM
This was neat, and there's no telling how the film would have been executed, but I'll stick with the Alien 3 we got. Parts of it I enjoyed, but I didn't think Hicks and Bishop had a presence that felt very satisfying among other things. There were some cool visuals and interesting ideas, and it seemed to actually tie in weirdly close to Prometheus/Covenant in certain ways which was an odd surprise.
They felt squandered in the comic, they felt like they had a lot more to do in the audio drama.
I think you guys are both right. Hopefully a better story will one day be told in film where Michael Biehn gets a chance to shine. One of my all-time favourite actors, if truth be told.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 20, 2019, 11:49:29 PM
I think you guys are both right. Hopefully a better story will one day be told in film where Michael Biehn gets a chance to shine. One of my all-time favourite actors, if truth be told.
I know it's a super-niche part of the fandom that wants this, but a story that builds Hicks from the ground up (from boot camp to being assigned with his crew from the Sulaco) would be fun.
The Hicks story in Bug Hunt was a bit hit and miss.
Into the Hicks-Verse, where Hicks and Wilks finally meet.
Speaking of -verses I pitched an idea to Fox that they follow up Gibson's Alien 3 with Eric Red's, Twohy's and Ward's (where Ripley survives). The survivors of all four stories then unite Avengers-style for new original climax story.
They didn't call back. ;D
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 04:00:41 AM
Speaking of -verses I pitched an idea to Fox that they follow up Gibson's Alien 3 with Eric Red's, Twohy's and Ward's (where Ripley survives). The survivors of all four stories then unite Avengers-style for new original climax story.
They didn't call back. ;D
That sounds brilliant. Batsh*t crazy brilliant.
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2019, 10:31:37 PMFilm adaptations rarely run even four issues, nevermind five.
im well aware of that... simply pointing out what would have been a benefit to the story instead of a hindrance.
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 04:00:41 AM
Speaking of -verses I pitched an idea to Fox that they follow up Gibson's Alien 3 with Eric Red's, Twohy's and Ward's (where Ripley survives). The survivors of all four stories then unite Avengers-style for new original climax story.
They didn't call back. ;D
That's genius and ridiculous and I love it!
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 04:00:41 AM
Speaking of -verses I pitched an idea to Fox that they follow up Gibson's Alien 3 with Eric Red's, Twohy's and Ward's (where Ripley survives). The survivors of all four stories then unite Avengers-style for new original climax story.
They didn't call back. ;D
That's because you didn't mention climate change, dubstep and unshaven hackers with man buns.
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 04:00:41 AM
Speaking of -verses I pitched an idea to Fox that they follow up Gibson's Alien 3 with Eric Red's, Twohy's and Ward's (where Ripley survives). The survivors of all four stories then unite Avengers-style for new original climax story.
They didn't call back. ;D
u probably should start calling disney
Didn't they move the SM hotline to Bob Iger's office yet?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 22, 2019, 01:19:04 AM
Didn't they move the SM hotline to Bob Iger's office yet?
Is that the red phone or the blue phone?
It has to be the black phone. The red one connects to the Batcave.
The SM phone is all biomechanical lookin'.
With eye holes?
No eye or nose holes. Just genitalia.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 22, 2019, 02:42:26 AM
No eye or nose holes. Just genitalia.
Sounds like a great tagline for a full length feature film.
just realized that sm emails fox
and sm has emailed me
thus
I have connections
Do you realize what SM is? He's a transmitter! He's a radio for speaking to Fox!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 22, 2019, 10:10:45 PM
Do you realize what SM is? He's a transmitter! He's a radio for speaking to Fox!
"No. He's a warning..."
Where have we heard that before?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 22, 2019, 03:37:17 AM
just realized that sm emails fox
and sm has emailed me
thus
I have connections
Actually, it means you are FOX.
!!!!!
Gave this another read alongside the script on which it is based. It's a lot more accurate than I realised/remembered. Virtually all of the dialogue is taken verbatim from the screenplay. In fact, other than a generally accelerated final act, the only real difference is with Halliday's death, which occurs significantly earlier and under different circumstances than in the script.
I still hate that the Space Commies fly USCM dropships, but I get the feeling that probably came from Fox rather than Christmas.
Maybe it came from Fox but there's still no excuse for the lazy designs, from boxy space stations to Space Commies(ΤΜ) using literal UZIs because that's the reference in the script.
Sticking to the script is a perfect excuse.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 28, 2020, 02:42:40 PM
Gave this another read alongside the script on which it is based. It's a lot more accurate than I realised/remembered. Virtually all of the dialogue is taken verbatim from the screenplay. In fact, other than a generally accelerated final act, the only real difference is with Halliday's death, which occurs significantly earlier and under different circumstances than in the script.
I still hate that the Space Commies fly USCM dropships, but I get the feeling that probably came from Fox rather than Christmas.
Been saying this all along! The adaptation is incredibly faithful to the script. And agreed on the dropships. But I'm not sure the Defiant-like design would have been incredibly better.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Jan 28, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Maybe it came from Fox but there's still no excuse for the lazy designs, from boxy space stations to Space Commies(ΤΜ) using literal UZIs because that's the reference in the script.
Quote from: SM on Jan 29, 2020, 01:00:02 AM
Sticking to the script is a perfect excuse.
The script says Uzi-like, not Uzi's. This is a criticism I do agree with. It'd have been better if Johnie had gone a step further with that, making it look something more futuristic the way the Pulse Rifle is just a shell over Thompson.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2020, 08:25:28 AMBeen saying this all along! The adaptation is incredibly faithful to the script.
Yeah, I really hadn't realised. It's been so long since I read the script, and between that and confusing bits with the first draft I hadn't clocked just how close the comic is.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2020, 08:25:28 AMAnd agreed on the dropships. But I'm not sure the Defiant-like design would have been incredibly better.
Tbh anything would have been better in my eyes. If we're taking the script's Cold War allusions to heart, the idea the UPP would be using the same equipment as the UA is completely ridiculous and implausible.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2020, 08:25:28 AMThe script says Uzi-like, not Uzi's. This is a criticism I do agree with. It'd have been better if Johnie had gone a step further with that, making it look something more futuristic the way the Pulse Rifle is just a shell over Thompson.
And yeah, this too. Would've been nice to see a little more imagination, rather than having them using weapons that are over 225 years old. Again, shades of implausible.
But other than those gripes, I enjoyed the comic a lot more second time around. The final issue still feels a bit rushed, but having it side-by-side with the script made it a
lot easier to follow.
I'd have even been okay with the UPP interceptor resembling a USCM dropship so long as there were visible differences. After all, the Soviets made knockoffs of American military hardware during the Cold War. Just look at the MiG-25 Foxbat.
But I'd still prefer a space Hind and a dressed-up AK over the Uzi.
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Implausible.
I always pictured the interior of Anchorpoint as looking like the sets from Outland. Especially Dr. Lazarus' medical station.
Quote from: SM on Jan 29, 2020, 08:31:04 PMhttps://media1.tenor.com/images/1956ae93bd211caf2930c6d393113ead/tenor.gif?itemid=11798237
Implausible.
I
knew you were going to bring that up ;D
Hicks' shotgun kind of is implausible tbh, but at least the novelisation tries to explain it away as a family heirloom handed down through the generations. It's something Hicks brings along, not front-line military equipment.
:laugh:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2020, 05:49:22 PM
I'd have even been okay with the UPP interceptor resembling a USCM dropship so long as there were visible differences. After all, the Soviets made knockoffs of American military hardware during the Cold War. Just look at the MiG-25 Foxbat.
But I'd still prefer a space Hind and a dressed-up AK over the Uzi.
Planes can only look a certain way. They will all resemble one another.
Plus the MiG-25 is huge compared to the F-15
Boeing Airbus.
Wright brother vs Da Vinci.
Airwolf vs Blue Thunder
Or that ancient model being present in Aliens is just ridiculous, don't repeat it in future material, thank you.
Sheesh, wait till you find out about their service pistols.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 30, 2020, 01:10:55 PMPlanes can only look a certain way. They will all resemble one another.
Spacecraft can basically look like whatever the f*ck you want them to look like. There's no aerodynamics to consider.
Did the Space Shuttle look like Orion?
Did the Sulaco look like the Nostromo?
Quote from: SiL on Jan 30, 2020, 02:36:11 PMSheesh, wait till you find out about their service pistols.
Meh, the VP70 kinda flies because a) it's obscure enough that I'm not sure I've ever seen one in another film, and b) it's pretty sci-fi lookin' anyway. Vasquez's Smith & Wesson is a bit harder to justify, but I guess a lot of pistols look kinda similar at the end of the day. So you can kinda take those as something more time-period appropriate.
The Uzi's so ubiquitous I can't really see it as anything other than a 20th century Uzi.
All modern spacecraft are designed with aerodynamics in mind on account of all the air they have to pass through on takeoff. There's a reason space shuttles look like planes.
I mean I get your general point.
Old fashioned guns are not too implausible though, if they function and could be used as a side-arm then why not? Some people do use old weapons like revolvers.
The impression I get from the alien universe, atleast the first two is that they don't waste tech, ships are all fitted with old monitors and keyboards, granted the real reason is obviously due to the real life era and available tech but it does make you think about the in-universe reason for it all.
Dropships have to be at least somewhat aerodynamic in order to perform their intended function as trans-atmospheric aerospace transports. I'm not convinced that a UPP
interceptor would share those same requirements though.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 30, 2020, 01:10:55 PM
Plus the MiG-25 is huge compared to the F-15
You're more of a VF-1J guy.
I'm picturing a futuristic Lethal Weapon 2 with Pesci going "A lot old timers carry bullet guns, I bet the young guy has lasers!"
The Interceptor is still just a Longsword from Halo in my head.
The shotgun is more implausible simply because active duty military doesn't let you carry that shit. However day National Guard tho......we could carry civilian after a recruiting center was shot up for personal defense as long as it wasn't on a federal post.
Didn't you carry a bow?
Spoiler
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Is the shotgun really all that implausible? To my knowledge they are used by the US military now for breaching reasons.
If you take the Vietnam parallels into consideration it works even better. The shotgun was a common use weapon by point-men, and civilian hunting rifles/pistols also made their way to Vietnam during the war.
Old weapons showing up in Aliens/the USCM...it doesn't really bother me. The 1911 has been around since...1911 and was the US service pistol until 1986. I know I've seen a picture of it being used during the invasion of Iraq (wounded marine being pulled out of a building holding one). The M45A1 is basically a reworked 1911 that some marine units still use.
I would have liked if the UPP's main weapon had been more..."Aliens" and if the dropship did have a more Russian look to it. Those didn't really ruin the comic for me though
Quote from: SiL on Jan 30, 2020, 06:47:05 PM
All modern spacecraft are designed with aerodynamics in mind on account of all the air they have to pass through on takeoff. There's a reason space shuttles look like planes.
I mean I get your general point.
Elon Musk brought the space shuttle look to an end with his VTOL rockets. That vertical landing bit is really revolutionary. Even if you could travel to distant planets in a space-shuttle-shaped vehicle, you wouldn't be able to land a winged vehicle if there was very little atmosphere and especially if there were no runways. VTOL is the way to go, and your spaceship should be rocket shaped.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 07, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
Is the shotgun really all that implausible? To my knowledge they are used by the US military now for breaching reasons.
If you take the Vietnam parallels into consideration it works even better. The shotgun was a common use weapon by point-men, and civilian hunting rifles/pistols also made their way to Vietnam during the war.
Old weapons showing up in Aliens/the USCM...it doesn't really bother me. The 1911 has been around since...1911 and was the US service pistol until 1986. I know I've seen a picture of it being used during the invasion of Iraq (wounded marine being pulled out of a building holding one). The M45A1 is basically a reworked 1911 that some marine units still use.
I would have liked if the UPP's main weapon had been more..."Aliens" and if the dropship did have a more Russian look to it. Those didn't really ruin the comic for me though
We carry shotguns for breaching yes. I had one mounted on my m4 when I was in the sapper company, but you aren't allowed to bring your own personal piece to federal I stallations for a multitude of reasons. Mainly soldiers and Marines are trained to be hyper aggressive and spend most weeknights and weekends drunk as f**k.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 10, 2020, 07:40:25 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 07, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
Is the shotgun really all that implausible? To my knowledge they are used by the US military now for breaching reasons.
If you take the Vietnam parallels into consideration it works even better. The shotgun was a common use weapon by point-men, and civilian hunting rifles/pistols also made their way to Vietnam during the war.
Old weapons showing up in Aliens/the USCM...it doesn't really bother me. The 1911 has been around since...1911 and was the US service pistol until 1986. I know I've seen a picture of it being used during the invasion of Iraq (wounded marine being pulled out of a building holding one). The M45A1 is basically a reworked 1911 that some marine units still use.
I would have liked if the UPP's main weapon had been more..."Aliens" and if the dropship did have a more Russian look to it. Those didn't really ruin the comic for me though
We carry shotguns for breaching yes. I had one mounted on my m4 when I was in the sapper company, but you aren't allowed to bring your own personal piece to federal I stallations for a multitude of reasons. Mainly soldiers and Marines are trained to be hyper aggressive and spend most weeknights and weekends drunk as f**k.
Gotcha, I figured things were stricter now and that totally makes sense.
I've just kind of assumed it was another parallel with Vietnam with some "this is cool" sprinkled in
Yes I'm sure that is actually what Cameron was going for and in a major command whose fighting arm appears to operate way outside of command authority, it is not totally implausible that kind of shit would make it through.
It never bothered me in the film, I just know what the rules are now, and you can't carry in any of the active duty installations for any service for a multitude of reasons. Even your issued weapons stay locked up in a vault 90% of the time.
My issue with the older weapons was that it appeared to be standard issue in that time period. I'm fine with the UZI still existing and popping up in a fashion similar to Hicks' shotgun. It's just some personal preference on his part, and it fulfills a specific role.
Like killing people in closets
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 11, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Like killing people in closets
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Still one of the best surprise moments in all of cinema.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2020, 09:18:44 PM
Dropships have to be at least somewhat aerodynamic in order to perform their intended function as trans-atmospheric aerospace transports. I'm not convinced that a UPP interceptor would share those same requirements though.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 30, 2020, 01:10:55 PM
Plus the MiG-25 is huge compared to the F-15
You're more of a VF-1J guy.
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I haven't read Gibson's second draft. I read the first draft many, many years ago.
Am I remembering things totally wrong? Because I recall some wild stuff in that first draft, like a battle with the aliens on the outer surface of the station, a mutant Queen launching spores into the air, and a scene with multiple chestbursters emerging from a single host and scurrying around.
I was disappointed to see that stuff taken out. Comics are one medium where you can show anything. I found the comic to be too restrained. Mostly talking heads with little alien activity. When aliens did appear, they were drawn in a way that I consider to be unflattering.
Listening to audio drama while perusing the comic book makes for a fun experience, despite my criticisms. It's great to have the crew from Aliens back, and since this is probably the closest we'll ever get to an officially licensed alternate continuity, I'll gladly take it over the movie Alien 3. It may be somewhat dull, but at least it's not depressing.
The comic is incredibly faithful to the second draft of the script.
Right down to the Uzis.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 17, 2020, 05:01:21 PM
Right down to the Uzis.
UZI?(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MiniatureScientificBoto-max-1mb.gif)
This reminded me of a Russian Colonial Marine that I saw yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaars ago on another forum I used to frequent. I was able to find pictures of it and I think the UPP would have been more unique had they looked somewhat like this. It's hard to see but the figure has a "slightly futuristic" styled AK (somewhat tac'd out and with a drum mag by the looks of it). I'm not sure if the creator was inspired by the UPP idea or not.
(https://i.imgur.com/Abu97bE.jpg)
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The conversation in that old thread was pretty similar to what some of us have said in this one about what their equipment would look like, a Hind inspired drop ship was specifically mentioned.
This isn't happening, so I'm not going to bother giving it its own thread. I guess this is the best place to drop it...
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1311651863285002240
Oh that's a damn shame. I really was hoping for all of them.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 01, 2020, 01:55:43 PM
This isn't happening, so I'm not going to bother giving it its own thread. I guess this is the best place to drop it...
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1311651863285002240
Damn. That's a real shame. I don't suppose there's any hope Marvel will run with the same idea.
Marvel aren't adverse to what-if's.
I really hope this does happen. It's all about the alternative takes post-Aliens for me.
I just wanna my sweet sweet wooden planet visualised
It would be a great one for Marvel to do, to relaunch the "Original Screenplay" series
Marvel, do the Red script.
I've probably already mentioned, but I suggested to Fox that they do all the Alien 3 scripts - Twohy, Ward, Red, then have the survivors from each all join up in an original 'Alien 3 Assemble' finale.
It went the way of most of my suggestions...
Pitch the same idea to Marvel, they love the teamups.
Yeah I'll get onto ol' mate Greg.
Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2020, 09:55:18 PMI've probably already mentioned, but I suggested to Fox that they do all the Alien 3 scripts - Twohy, Ward, Red, then have the survivors from each all join up in an original 'Alien 3 Assemble' finale.
:laugh: That would've been awesome.
Well, It would've been campy as f**k, that's for sure. Especially with such hit characters as Styles aka Proto-Riddick and Sam "Bland As Hell" Smith
Yes, I was definitely using the "ridiculous but fun" definition of awesome.
The scene in the Twohy draft where the entire prison population gets sucked out into space in less than a page would look pretty funny illustrated.
Hated the comic book adaptation. Bad art, bizarre choice in colors, no attempt at rewriting the story to make it fit the comic book medium.
But i had some fun with the audible thing. Also liked how they added extra dialogue for Bishop/Hicks.
I can appreciate how Gibson was trying to flesh out the universe at large while also bringing things closer to the tone of the first film.
Did Dirk Maggs ever talk about designing the audio for the "New Beast"? Some really good sounds for it.
The egg in Bishop is an absolutely bizarre, stupid idea but i guess you could (fanwank it) justify it by having his insides reacting to whatever "eggmorphing fluid" the Queen's tail was coated in after leaving the egg chamber. And the synthetics in the Alien universe have some "biological atributes" like david growing his hair and eating in Prometheus, etc... Still, it would probably look like a considerably weaker, smaller version of the standard egg.
I had less of an issue with the egg growing than I did with the Alien suddenly becoming an airborne pathogen version of the Thing when it didn't show any evidence of that in the first two movies.
Don't get me wrong, I dig it as an alternative but I'm glad they didn't go with it.
Yeah I never liked the airborne pathogen angle either. In fact I was never a fan of the Gibson scripts - until I read the comic and listened to the audio drama. The whole thing is still very rough, but enjoyable enough.
ehhh the neomorph like "new beast" was very specifically the product of experimentation.
the actual alien itself was still of the "egg, facehugger, chestburster" variety. And was still stronger than the new beasts.
I liked how Gibson defined the alien genetic material as being almost like a nanomachine, with some limited adaptive abilities that allowed it to gain a new form. I got the impression that gibson wanted to imply a low level of artificial intelligence in the thing... and it probably became the "new beast" as a last resort thing. Maybe the "new beast" would end up eggmorphing people and that would then bring about the old regular "perfect organism".
I was kinda ok with it. Lots of ways to "fanwank it" into making some sort of sense. :laugh:
Best of the abandoned scripts at any rate.
The second iteration of Gibson's is my favourite too. I used to really dislike the first one, but the second that all these adaptations are based on is much more restrained and better for it. It still needed another draft or two, but I do genuinely like it. The whole ancient weapon and programmable angle was really interesting to me, and I think worked really well to explain the whole new beast variation. It was all there for justification.
first draft is a giant mess. "let's throw every single idea we have into this thing and see what sticks".
Was anyone ever attached to direct this thing anyway?
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 29, 2020, 10:46:31 AMehhh the neomorph like "new beast" was very specifically the product of experimentation.
Not really. They scrape the sample from Bishop and study it. Everything else it does on its own.
From memory, the script specifically states the Star-Commies get into messing around with the DNA of their samples, but the Freedomnauts are never said to do anything other than look at it. The entirely new reproductive cycle comes from nowhere.
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 29, 2020, 10:46:31 AMBest of the abandoned scripts at any rate.
Always preferred Twohy's myself, although Gibson's second draft is definitely next in line.
Quote from: skhellter on Oct 29, 2020, 10:55:15 AMWas anyone ever attached to direct this thing anyway?
I think Renny Harlin originally came on to do this script.
I think there's a chance this may also been the script when Ridley Scott was flirting with Alien 3 too.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 29, 2020, 10:58:32 AM
From memory, the script specifically states the Star-Commies get into messing around with the DNA of their samples, but the Freedomnauts are never said to do anything other than look at it. The entirely new reproductive cycle comes from nowhere.
I think you're right actually. But this is one of those things were a 3rd draft and some more refinement was really needed. It should have been the other way around.
Got the impression that the Freedomnauts ended up blending human dna with the genetic material after that first attempt (and that's how they got the small spores). Fox was very keen on having the experiments continue after being informed of the rapid growth. The next time we see the lab they have the small eggs in a nutrient solution. (i.e. they followed orders and kept experimenting).
Anyway.... Incredibly talented Auteur Renny Harlin.
Dodged a gigantic bullet there.
I also remember reading about Ridley being attached but
Ridley said around the release of Prometheus that he "was never invited back".
Harlin signed on after the Gibson drafts, and suggested Eric Red for the job... yeah... :laugh:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/genetic-memory-01.jpg)
Wonder if there's some ridleygrams for this... :P
probably wine stained.