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Since the Alien franchise first came in, there had themes about Sexual ideals such as forced pregnancy, assault, and Many more can be see within the movie. But overtime the franchise seem to focus less on those theme, only a couple of time in the prequel and Games. Now if it would came back, how would you feel about it?

I don't really feel like they left. Maybe the AvP movies.

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They work best when as an allegory or theme, but not when tastelessly shoved down your face in an effort to gross you out with cheap shock value. Like the Predalien in Requiem or the idea of a facehugger going anywhere but in your face.

They've always been present and continue to be so.

It gives it a little more depth than just a monster going around killing everyone.

I like it, but it can be poorly done.

I would like to see that cut female xeno from make a return
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Michelle Pfeiffer lips Alien, my beloved.

It wasn't meant to be female.

Just "erohtic".

It's weird as f**k, I like it.

Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2024, 10:46:15 PMIt wasn't meant to be female.

Just "erohtic".

I got the impression that it was due to the lips

It was never going to be a Queen (it was going to fulfill the same role as the Runner that we ended up getting from ADI in Alien 3), so if we are sticking to the usual male/female labels for standard Aliens/Queens, then it would be male.

But human gendering terminology doesn't really apply in any real way to the Aliens anyways, so all of that is pretty much irrelevant regardless.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 11:08:14 PMIt was never going to be a Queen (it was going to fulfill the same role as the Runner that we ended up getting from ADI in Alien 3), so if we are sticking to the usual male/female labels for standard Aliens/Queens, then it would be male.

But human gendering terminology doesn't really apply in any real way to the Aliens anyways, so all of that is pretty much irrelevant regardless.

Oh no, no no I am just saying it looks like a female, That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that it can breed like a queen.

Vote for 'Depends on how it is done' :P

Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2024, 10:46:15 PMIt wasn't meant to be female.

Just "erohtic".

That seems to fit Sil-like beings; and if it were a shared-universe perhaps black goo is also in Sil's DNA as a prototype of a biological weapon designed by the Engineers on Mars, where Weyland will have a colony in the future. The Engineers for x reasons preferred what we see in LV-223.


It's like a sci-fi take on the mythological Succubus;

The Engineers sending out a coded message embedded with plans/blueprints that result in a bioweapon a la Sil is something that feels incredibly reasonable, in a headcanon/fan fiction sort of way, while watching Species.

That's why I wasn't so opposed to the idea of the "Woman in the Dark" in the first arc of the Marvel comics (provided it stays a comic concept, that is), though the comic not doing anything interesting/of note with it (which was on par for the quality of the comic on the whole) deterred me from keeping up with it long term.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 11:47:43 PMThe Engineers sending out a coded message embedded with plans/blueprints that result in a bioweapon a la Sil is something that feels incredibly reasonable, in a headcanon/fan fiction sort of way, while watching Species.

That's why I wasn't so opposed to the idea of the "Woman in the Dark" in the firsr arc of the Marvel comics (provided it stays a comic concept, that is), though the comic not doing anything interesting/of note with it (which was on par for the quality of the comic on the whole) deterred me from keeping up with it long term.

That comic concept is interesting 8)


Perhaps it is the source of the Black Goo, or an Engineer-Alien hybrid DNA sequence made with black goo...which like a swarm of black scarabacks-like nano-machines dematerialized a living hybrid at a molecular level to create a DNA based on that life-form.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 11:59:57 PMPerhaps it is the source of the Black Goo, or an Engineer-Alien hybrid DNA sequence made with black goo...which like a swarm of black scarabacks-like nano-machines dematerialized a living hybrid at a molecular level to create a DNA based on that life-form.

Back when Prometheus came out, I inferred that the Black Goo was an attampt by the Engineers at creating a controlled bioweapon substance derived from the Aliens themselves (which the Engineers were unable to control/wield, as they ended up being wiped out by it anyways at their installation on LV-223).

Come Covenant's release, I flip-flopped that mentality; now I felt, based on Ridley's words and the film's presentation of the idea, that the Goo came first and was itself the ancient eldritch horror, and that in turn it was the foundational material used by David in making his Aliens.

Though I don't take EU stuff as strict canon, Alex White's novels expanded on the Alien/Goo relationship in ways that I found really fascinating, and made them intrinsically part of the same whole even with the Alien in its "pure" form.

And now, Noah Hawley seems to be inverting things back to where I felt they they stood in Prometheus, with the Alien being ancient and having been created (or originated in some more natural fashion) some undiscernable amount of time ago, and the Engineers' stockpiles of Goo having been derived from them.

But what really came first, the chicken Alien or the egg Goo? The whole thing just feels like this incredibly cyclical string of creation and destruction and feigned control repeating itself over and over again throughout history (not so much unlike the back and forth between Earth and Kepler-22b that seemed to be at the core of Raised By Wolves' cyclical presentation of ancient history and the way that fed into the "contemporary" events repeating/recreating what once was).

As it stands, regardless of which came first, the Alien or the Goo, the core root of the entity in one form or another is ancient and unknowable, and David, like the AI  of today's world, can generate forms according to some sort of a prompt – and believes himself to be a creator, a God, as a result – but he is working within a system that is preordained to reach an inevitable end result that stems from much earlier point in pre-history.

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Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2024, 10:46:15 PMIt wasn't meant to be female.

Just "erohtic".

I got the impression that it was due to the lips

Look female in terms of the lips yes, but not a literal female Alien.

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 04, 2024, 10:36:43 PMI would like to see that cut female xeno from make a return
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It did, but in a book.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2024, 12:15:10 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 11:59:57 PMPerhaps it is the source of the Black Goo, or an Engineer-Alien hybrid DNA sequence made with black goo...which like a swarm of black scarabacks-like nano-machines dematerialized a living hybrid at a molecular level to create a DNA based on that life-form.

Back when Prometheus came out, I inferred that the Black Goo was an attampt by the Engineers at creating a controlled bioweapon substance derived from the Aliens themselves (which the Engineers were unable to control/wield, as they ended up being wiped out by it anyways at their installation on LV-223).

Come Covenant's release, I flip-flopped that mentality; now I felt, based on Ridley's words and the film's presentation of the idea, that the Goo came first and was itself the ancient eldritch horror, and that in turn it was the foundational material used by David in making his Aliens.

Though I don't take EU stuff as strict canon, Alex White's novels expanded on the Alien/Goo relationship in ways that I found really fascinating, and made them intrinsically part of the same whole even with the Alien in its "pure" form.

And now, Noah Hawley seems to be inverting things back to where I felt they they stood in Prometheus, with the Alien being ancient and having been created (or originated in some more natural fashion) some undiscernable amount of time ago, and the Engineers' stockpiles of Goo having been derived from them.

But what really came first, the chicken Alien or the egg Goo? The whole thing just feels like this incredibly cyclical string of creation and destruction and feigned control repeating itself over and over again throughout history (not so much unlike the back and forth between Earth and Kepler-22b that seemed to be at the core of Raised By Wolves' cyclical presentation of ancient history and the way that fed into the "contemporary" events repeating/recreating what once was).

As it stands, regardless of which came first, the Alien or the Goo, the core root of the entity in one form or another is ancient and unknowable, and David, like the AI  of today's world, can generate forms according to some sort of a prompt – and believes himself to be a creator, a God, as a result – but he is working within a system that is preordained to reach an inevitable end result that stems from much earlier point in pre-history.

The Alien could be ancient, like the Raised By Wolves serpents, as part of an eon-long ancient cycle of death & resurrection of a primordial terror.

"Alien went to where the Old Ones lived, to their very world of origin" ~ Dan O'Bannon








We know that medical experiments with the pathogen are being carried out on the Romulus space station.

The Black Goo can be like the quantum particles of the Alien. An eldritch AI, which can sometimes take a sentient form.




It is the purest form of the Alien, and in a way the origin of the Space Jockey; like a Black Goo-Engineer hybrid.

The Xenomorph lifecycle is very sexual. And no wonder, Giger was obessed with Egyptian Mythology and it is full of sexuality, Horace literally has a ahem battle with his brother.

Giger even knew Alister Crowley who founded his own Egyptian Occult Sect.

So I say its in the mud of making the vessel that is the Alien franchise and it belongs there.

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 05, 2024, 03:20:41 AMThe Xenomorph lifecycle is very sexual. And no wonder, Giger was obessed with Egyptian Mythology and it is full of sexuality, Horace literally has a ahem battle with his brother.

Giger even knew Alister Crowley who founded his own Egyptian Occult Sect.

So I say its in mud of making vessel that is the Alien franchise and it belongs there.

Quote from: Alien ExplorationsThe figure stretching around the edge of the tableau is inspired by depictions of the Egyptian sky goddess Nut, who often has Geb the god of the earth and fertility lying below, sometimes with his male member erect which so happens to be placed where it looks almost as if it inspired Giger with his depiction of the chest bursting from the victim image. Geb was also a god who imprisoned the dead in his body. The goddess is also often depicted being supported by the god Shu who raised the goddess into the heavens, but is replaced in Giger's painting by support bars instead.

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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2024, 12:15:10 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 11:59:57 PMPerhaps it is the source of the Black Goo, or an Engineer-Alien hybrid DNA sequence made with black goo...which like a swarm of black scarabacks-like nano-machines dematerialized a living hybrid at a molecular level to create a DNA based on that life-form.

Back when Prometheus came out, I inferred that the Black Goo was an attampt by the Engineers at creating a controlled bioweapon substance derived from the Aliens themselves (which the Engineers were unable to control/wield, as they ended up being wiped out by it anyways at their installation on LV-223).

Come Covenant's release, I flip-flopped that mentality; now I felt, based on Ridley's words and the film's presentation of the idea, that the Goo came first and was itself the ancient eldritch horror, and that in turn it was the foundational material used by David in making his Aliens.

Though I don't take EU stuff as strict canon, Alex White's novels expanded on the Alien/Goo relationship in ways that I found really fascinating, and made them intrinsically part of the same whole even with the Alien in its "pure" form.

And now, Noah Hawley seems to be inverting things back to where I felt they they stood in Prometheus, with the Alien being ancient and having been created (or originated in some more natural fashion) some undiscernable amount of time ago, and the Engineers' stockpiles of Goo having been derived from them.

But what really came first, the chicken Alien or the egg Goo? The whole thing just feels like this incredibly cyclical string of creation and destruction and feigned control repeating itself over and over again throughout history (not so much unlike the back and forth between Earth and Kepler-22b that seemed to be at the core of Raised By Wolves' cyclical presentation of ancient history and the way that fed into the "contemporary" events repeating/recreating what once was).

As it stands, regardless of which came first, the Alien or the Goo, the core root of the entity in one form or another is ancient and unknowable, and David, like the AI  of today's world, can generate forms according to some sort of a prompt – and believes himself to be a creator, a God, as a result – but he is working within a system that is preordained to reach an inevitable end result that stems from much earlier point in pre-history.

The Alien could be ancient, like the Raised By Wolves serpents, as part of an eon-long ancient cycle of death & resurrection of a primordial terror.

"Alien went to where the Old Ones lived, to their very world of origin" ~ Dan O'Bannon

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We know that medical experiments with the pathogen are being carried out on the Romulus space station.

The Black Goo can be like the quantum particles of the Alien. An eldritch AI, which can sometimes take a sentient form.

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It is the purest form of the Alien, and in a way the origin of the Space Jockey; like a Black Goo-Engineer hybrid.

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Ouroboros!

Indeed a life and death cycle/circle. A mysterium of horror and violence, but it is still life. Life is violent, something Alien accentuates. 

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 05, 2024, 03:20:41 AMThe Xenomorph lifecycle is very sexual. And no wonder, Giger was obessed with Egyptian Mythology and it is full of sexuality,

Giger had nothing to do with the life-cycle, though. That was Ronald Shusett's contribution.

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Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 05, 2024, 03:20:41 AMThe Xenomorph lifecycle is very sexual. And no wonder, Giger was obessed with Egyptian Mythology and it is full of sexuality,

Giger had nothing to do with the life-cycle, though. That was Ronald Shusett's contribution.

The life-cycle is in most mythologies, not exactly the prize of any one culture or person.

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 05, 2024, 03:49:42 AMThe life-cycle is in most mythologies, not exactly the prize of any one culture or person.

No, Ronald Shusett was pretty much the one guy who said to O'Bannon that the thing should rape one of the crew members in order to get aboard the ship, as they were trying to avoid the usual cliches.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 11:59:57 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 11:47:43 PMThe Engineers sending out a coded message embedded with plans/blueprints that result in a bioweapon a la Sil is something that feels incredibly reasonable, in a headcanon/fan fiction sort of way, while watching Species.

That's why I wasn't so opposed to the idea of the "Woman in the Dark" in the firsr arc of the Marvel comics (provided it stays a comic concept, that is), though the comic not doing anything interesting/of note with it (which was on par for the quality of the comic on the whole) deterred me from keeping up with it long term.

That comic concept is interesting 8)

(https://i.ibb.co/DLpw1Cb/february-2023-marvel-alien-solicitation-the-goddess-woman-v0-u58imtlp4l0a1.jpg)

Perhaps it is the source of the Black Goo, or an Engineer-Alien hybrid DNA sequence made with black goo...which like a swarm of black scarabacks-like nano-machines dematerialized a living hybrid at a molecular level to create a DNA based on that life-form.

(https://i.ibb.co/HgHf0zp/woman-in-the-dark-06-1249x1920.jpg)

There is always sexual parasitism as part of the life cycle.

The Dark Woman I hope ends up making an appearance in the Alien Series. :)

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2024, 03:11:15 AM

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 11:59:57 PM

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Ouroboros!

Indeed a life and death cycle/circle. A mysterium of horror and violence, but it is still life. Life is violent, something Alien accentuates. 

I can't not watch this without hearing a BOOOOIIIING sound effect.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 11:47:43 PMThe Engineers sending out a coded message embedded with plans/blueprints that result in a bioweapon a la Sil is something that feels incredibly reasonable, in a headcanon/fan fiction sort of way, while watching Species.

This is also my headcanon. I love the older stuff about the Engineers/Space Jockeys being obsessed with reproduction because they can no longer, so they weaponize in the way of the Aliens or Sil.

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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 11:47:43 PMThe Engineers sending out a coded message embedded with plans/blueprints that result in a bioweapon a la Sil is something that feels incredibly reasonable, in a headcanon/fan fiction sort of way, while watching Species.

This is also my headcanon. I love the older stuff about the Engineers/Space Jockeys being obsessed with reproduction because they can no longer, so they weaponize in the way of the Aliens or Sil.

Before I saw Prometheus, I thought The Engineers were a final stage of Xenomorph life cycle, smart enough to build ships and civilization, but like you concluded they cannot breed anymore and need the parasitic stages to reproduce.
I thought their controls being eggs would play into their culture of coming from an egg and facehugger.
 

Dodged a bullet with theory then

Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2024, 03:18:27 PMDodged a bullet with theory then

But theory has theo in it which means god. :D

Depends on how its done, the life-cycle is horrifying for both the terror of it and the themes of it essentially violating the host. I think one of the crew members of the first film, maybe Dan o'Bannon? said they wanted to make the audience uncomfortable, especially men I think.

He was the writer and yes. They specifically chose a male victim for the chest bursting to make men squirm.

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 11:59:57 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 11:47:43 PMThe Engineers sending out a coded message embedded with plans/blueprints that result in a bioweapon a la Sil is something that feels incredibly reasonable, in a headcanon/fan fiction sort of way, while watching Species.

That's why I wasn't so opposed to the idea of the "Woman in the Dark" in the firsr arc of the Marvel comics (provided it stays a comic concept, that is), though the comic not doing anything interesting/of note with it (which was on par for the quality of the comic on the whole) deterred me from keeping up with it long term.

That comic concept is interesting 8)

(https://i.ibb.co/DLpw1Cb/february-2023-marvel-alien-solicitation-the-goddess-woman-v0-u58imtlp4l0a1.jpg)

Perhaps it is the source of the Black Goo, or an Engineer-Alien hybrid DNA sequence made with black goo...which like a swarm of black scarabacks-like nano-machines dematerialized a living hybrid at a molecular level to create a DNA based on that life-form.

(https://i.ibb.co/HgHf0zp/woman-in-the-dark-06-1249x1920.jpg)

There is always sexual parasitism as part of the life cycle.

The Dark Woman I hope ends up making an appearance in the Alien Series. :)

I hope not. I feel like that's something that should stay in the comics.. a very piss poor comic in fact. Not a fan of the idea.

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Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 05, 2024, 04:02:27 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 11:59:57 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 11:47:43 PMThe Engineers sending out a coded message embedded with plans/blueprints that result in a bioweapon a la Sil is something that feels incredibly reasonable, in a headcanon/fan fiction sort of way, while watching Species.

That's why I wasn't so opposed to the idea of the "Woman in the Dark" in the firsr arc of the Marvel comics (provided it stays a comic concept, that is), though the comic not doing anything interesting/of note with it (which was on par for the quality of the comic on the whole) deterred me from keeping up with it long term.

That comic concept is interesting 8)

(https://i.ibb.co/DLpw1Cb/february-2023-marvel-alien-solicitation-the-goddess-woman-v0-u58imtlp4l0a1.jpg)

Perhaps it is the source of the Black Goo, or an Engineer-Alien hybrid DNA sequence made with black goo...which like a swarm of black scarabacks-like nano-machines dematerialized a living hybrid at a molecular level to create a DNA based on that life-form.

(https://i.ibb.co/HgHf0zp/woman-in-the-dark-06-1249x1920.jpg)

There is always sexual parasitism as part of the life cycle.

The Dark Woman I hope ends up making an appearance in the Alien Series. :)

I hope not. I feel like that's something that should stay in the comics.. a very piss poor comic in fact. Not a fan of the idea.

I think it could be done well if explained that The Dark Woman is from a strain from The Engineer Virus, that black goo effected her differently.

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Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Apr 06, 2024, 08:53:52 AM

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 05, 2024, 04:02:27 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 11:59:57 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 11:47:43 PMThe Engineers sending out a coded message embedded with plans/blueprints that result in a bioweapon a la Sil is something that feels incredibly reasonable, in a headcanon/fan fiction sort of way, while watching Species.

That's why I wasn't so opposed to the idea of the "Woman in the Dark" in the firsr arc of the Marvel comics (provided it stays a comic concept, that is), though the comic not doing anything interesting/of note with it (which was on par for the quality of the comic on the whole) deterred me from keeping up with it long term.

That comic concept is interesting 8)

(https://i.ibb.co/DLpw1Cb/february-2023-marvel-alien-solicitation-the-goddess-woman-v0-u58imtlp4l0a1.jpg)

Perhaps it is the source of the Black Goo, or an Engineer-Alien hybrid DNA sequence made with black goo...which like a swarm of black scarabacks-like nano-machines dematerialized a living hybrid at a molecular level to create a DNA based on that life-form.

(https://i.ibb.co/HgHf0zp/woman-in-the-dark-06-1249x1920.jpg)

There is always sexual parasitism as part of the life cycle.

The Dark Woman I hope ends up making an appearance in the Alien Series. :)

I hope not. I feel like that's something that should stay in the comics.. a very piss poor comic in fact. Not a fan of the idea.

I think it could be done well if explained that The Dark Woman is from a strain from The Engineer Virus, that black goo effected her differently.

I second! 😅

You know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

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Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Apr 06, 2024, 08:53:52 AM

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 05, 2024, 04:02:27 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2024, 11:59:57 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 04, 2024, 11:47:43 PMThe Engineers sending out a coded message embedded with plans/blueprints that result in a bioweapon a la Sil is something that feels incredibly reasonable, in a headcanon/fan fiction sort of way, while watching Species.

That's why I wasn't so opposed to the idea of the "Woman in the Dark" in the firsr arc of the Marvel comics (provided it stays a comic concept, that is), though the comic not doing anything interesting/of note with it (which was on par for the quality of the comic on the whole) deterred me from keeping up with it long term.

That comic concept is interesting 8)

(https://i.ibb.co/DLpw1Cb/february-2023-marvel-alien-solicitation-the-goddess-woman-v0-u58imtlp4l0a1.jpg)

Perhaps it is the source of the Black Goo, or an Engineer-Alien hybrid DNA sequence made with black goo...which like a swarm of black scarabacks-like nano-machines dematerialized a living hybrid at a molecular level to create a DNA based on that life-form.

(https://i.ibb.co/HgHf0zp/woman-in-the-dark-06-1249x1920.jpg)

There is always sexual parasitism as part of the life cycle.

The Dark Woman I hope ends up making an appearance in the Alien Series. :)

I hope not. I feel like that's something that should stay in the comics.. a very piss poor comic in fact. Not a fan of the idea.

I think it could be done well if explained that The Dark Woman is from a strain from The Engineer Virus, that black goo effected her differently.

That sounds

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awful

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In all seriousness, the black goo also belongs in the comics and should never come out of there. Of course, I say that now and we have

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Romulus coming out.

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As for the Dark Woman.. make her look more "alien" at least because this sort of Borg Queen representation really bugs me.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 06:07:46 PMYou know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

No. It would not be cool at all. It would be terrible to replace the most iconic alien the Xenomorph aka Giger Son for a new creation that was first introduced on in a comic that was mostly traced off of other products.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 06:07:46 PMYou know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

I might just cry.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 06:07:46 PMYou know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

I'd prefer it be like Master Chief and Cortana, The Xenomorph being Chief and The Dark Woman like Cortana.

That would be fantastic!  The Dark Woman would then become inseparable from the Big Chap in the minds of the fans!

This conversation have a serious lack of David in it.

I will kill you all.

ARRRRRRRRRRR!!!sinister_oyster_07.png

Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Apr 06, 2024, 06:45:05 PMARRRRRRRRRRR!!!sinister_oyster_07.png

Haha

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 06:07:46 PMYou know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

Better than this one, which is the current face of the franchise

Tough call.  Everyone loves that image.

Its the best that particular design will ever look in my opinion. Unfortunate that its the worst design in the series.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 09:27:48 PMTough call.  Everyone loves that image.

It's like cheap wine on ℭ𝔬𝔠𝔞 - ℭ𝔬𝔩𝔞!!!!

🥤🍷 >:(👉👈

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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 06, 2024, 06:44:32 PMI will kill you all.

Here here!!!  :)🙏

Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 06, 2024, 09:30:16 PMIts the best that particular design will ever look in my opinion. Unfortunate that its the worst design in the series.

I'd argue that the design looks better painted brown and lathered in goop in Resurrection than it does in any shot (or promotional still) from AVP. It is still easily the second worst Alien design in the franchise (AVPR's is the absolute bottom of the barrel worst, in my opinion), but it at least has some merit for looking the way it does in Resurrection (no merit at all for retaining that design for AVP, however), and it's photographed really well and has some presence to it when it is on screen in Resurrection.

Covenant does "fleshy Alien" much better overall, though.

The brown does nothing for me honestly, prefer the AvP version myself. Also I always hated their posture in AR, holding their arms back and such.

...and I forgot about the AvPR design. You are right, that is the worst in the series.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 06, 2024, 09:27:10 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 06:07:46 PMYou know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

Better than this one, which is the current face of the franchise

:'(

(https://i.ibb.co/M2wyhvq/avp2004-promo-001.jpg)

Every Alien tattoo ever.

Indeed! :'(

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 06, 2024, 09:38:29 PMCovenant does "fleshy Alien" much better overall, though.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 06, 2024, 09:38:29 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 06, 2024, 09:30:16 PMIts the best that particular design will ever look in my opinion. Unfortunate that its the worst design in the series.

I'd argue that the design looks better painted brown and lathered in goop in Resurrection than it does in any shot (or promotional still) from AVP. It is still easily the second worst Alien design in the franchise (AVPR's is the absolute bottom of the barrel worst, in my opinion), but it at least has some merit for looking the way it does in Resurrection (no merit at all for retaining that design for AVP, however), and it's photographed really well and has some presence to it when it is on screen in Resurrection.

Covenant does "fleshy Alien" much better overall, though.

At least in Resurrection there's an reason to the Alien being like this for the mix with Human DNA. In AvP there's no reason to be like that, but since AvP isn't canon so I don't really care

Is there like a different way that we can do sexual themes in another way with the Xenomorph?

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 06, 2024, 09:27:10 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 06:07:46 PMYou know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

Better than this one, which is the current face of the franchise

:'(

(https://i.ibb.co/M2wyhvq/avp2004-promo-001.jpg)

That is why I said the Xeno should be the Chief (focal face) and The Dark Woman like Cortana who we want to see more of.

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 06, 2024, 11:43:44 PMIs there like a different way that we can do sexual themes in another way with the Xenomorph?

We need a cult of Trans Arturians/or synthetic Humans with lewd rituals that idolize the Alien as a deity...

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 06, 2024, 11:55:42 PM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 06, 2024, 11:43:44 PMIs there like a different way that we can do sexual themes in another way with the Xenomorph?

We need a cult of Trans Arturians/or synthetic Humans with lewd rituals that idolize the Alien as a deity...

(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/SFT58.gif)

(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/SU3qn.gif)

Synths who worship Xenos would be awesome!
"Children of David, we worship thee! Perfect Organism! Pure gods make us new!"

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 06, 2024, 11:48:37 PMThat is why I said the Xeno should be the Chief (focal face) and The Dark Woman like Cortana who we want to see more of.

Way more of.  Am I right?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 11:59:21 PM

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 06, 2024, 11:48:37 PMThat is why I said the Xeno should be the Chief (focal face) and The Dark Woman like Cortana who we want to see more of.

Way more of.  Am I right?

Hahaha indeed.

I think The Dark Woman has tye capacity to show us more.. as Peter Weyland said, "there must be more." ;)

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 06, 2024, 06:29:32 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 06:07:46 PMYou know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

I'd prefer it be like Master Chief and Cortana, The Xenomorph being Chief and The Dark Woman like Cortana.

personally, I think Sil from the species franchise is best for Cortana. But I haven't read the comics so bias and no researches is against me.

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 06, 2024, 11:55:42 PM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 06, 2024, 11:43:44 PMIs there like a different way that we can do sexual themes in another way with the Xenomorph?

We need a cult of Trans Arturians/or synthetic Humans with lewd rituals that idolize the Alien as a deity...

(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/SFT58.gif)

(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/SU3qn.gif)

Seems like a cool idea, but again depends how it works in the story. Like if this Is just for gross value it's not gonna mean much other than for Gross value.

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 07, 2024, 12:40:02 AM

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 06, 2024, 06:29:32 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 06:07:46 PMYou know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

I'd prefer it be like Master Chief and Cortana, The Xenomorph being Chief and The Dark Woman like Cortana.

personally, I think Sil from the species franchise is best for Cortana. But I haven't read the comics so bias and no researches is against me.

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 06, 2024, 11:55:42 PM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 06, 2024, 11:43:44 PMIs there like a different way that we can do sexual themes in another way with the Xenomorph?

We need a cult of Trans Arturians/or synthetic Humans with lewd rituals that idolize the Alien as a deity...

(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/SFT58.gif)

(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/SU3qn.gif)

Seems like a cool idea, but again depends how it works in the story. Like if this Is just for gross value it's not gonna mean much other than for Gross value.

Problem is the Species sequels went the way of Tremors sequels..

Tremors' sequels are fun up to number four.

Five and beyond though... :-\

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 07, 2024, 12:55:07 AM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 07, 2024, 12:40:02 AM

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 06, 2024, 06:29:32 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2024, 06:07:46 PMYou know, if we get really lucky, the Dark Woman might become the new face of the franchise.  Wouldn't that be cool?

I'd prefer it be like Master Chief and Cortana, The Xenomorph being Chief and The Dark Woman like Cortana.

personally, I think Sil from the species franchise is best for Cortana. But I haven't read the comics so bias and no researches is against me.

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 06, 2024, 11:55:42 PM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 06, 2024, 11:43:44 PMIs there like a different way that we can do sexual themes in another way with the Xenomorph?

We need a cult of Trans Arturians/or synthetic Humans with lewd rituals that idolize the Alien as a deity...

(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/SFT58.gif)

(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/SU3qn.gif)

Seems like a cool idea, but again depends how it works in the story. Like if this Is just for gross value it's not gonna mean much other than for Gross value.

Problem is the Species sequels went the way of Tremors sequels..

We can recon the sequels to where we like. Don't worry the alien franchises familiar with this kind of stuff.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 07, 2024, 12:57:22 AMTremors' sequels are fun up to number four.

Five and beyond though... :-\

I actually like all the Tremors save for Shrieker Island. :)
I meant they got low budget and at times messed with lore, liked Species sequels did to first. 

I never saw the Species sequels.  Don't tell SiL though. :-[

Never watched the Species sequels either. First one is good fun, though.

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 07, 2024, 01:49:50 AM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 07, 2024, 12:57:22 AMTremors' sequels are fun up to number four.

Five and beyond though... :-\

I actually like all the Tremors save for Shrieker Island. :)
I meant they got low budget and at times messed with lore, liked Species sequels did to first. 

I can't handle the post-Stampede Entertainment ones, but I really love those first four a bunch.

Just go back through my post history a decade plus ago so ago to see my levels of obsession with those movies. :laugh:

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 07, 2024, 01:54:53 AMNever watched the Species sequels either. First one is good fun, though.

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 07, 2024, 01:49:50 AM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 07, 2024, 12:57:22 AMTremors' sequels are fun up to number four.

Five and beyond though... :-\

I actually like all the Tremors save for Shrieker Island. :)
I meant they got low budget and at times messed with lore, liked Species sequels did to first. 

I can't handle the post-Stampede Entertainment ones, but I really love those first four a bunch.

Just go back through my post history a decade plus ago so ago to see my levels of obsession with those movies. :laugh:

Hehe I love the first film.

"Running isn't plan, running is when a plan falls through." :D

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2024, 01:53:49 AMI never saw the Species sequels.  Don't tell SiL though. :-[

The second one is schlocky fun and there are no other sequels I don't know what you're talking about.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2024, 02:28:14 AM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2024, 01:53:49 AMI never saw the Species sequels.  Don't tell SiL though. :-[

The second one is schlocky fun and there are no other sequels I don't know what you're talking about.

Coughs, Species III

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Species3.jpg)

I said what I said.

Spoken like the hard core fan you are.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2024, 02:32:52 AMI said what I said.

How about this one
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Species_%E2%80%93_The_Awakening.jpg)

I said. What I said.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2024, 04:16:42 AMI said. What I said.

But how about the comics? How do you feel about those or is it the same answer?

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 07, 2024, 04:18:40 AM

Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2024, 04:16:42 AMI said. What I said.

But how about the comics? How do you feel about those or is it the same answer?

Species has comics?

An adaptation of the first movie hardly counts.

This makes me want to re-watch Species. :)

Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 07, 2024, 04:38:25 AM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 07, 2024, 04:18:40 AM

Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2024, 04:16:42 AMI said. What I said.

But how about the comics? How do you feel about those or is it the same answer?

Species has comics?

Species Comic  (https://speciesfilms.fandom.com/wiki/Species_(Comic))
Species: Human Race (https://speciesfilms.fandom.com/wiki/Species:_Human_Race)
Species: Naked Aggression (https://speciesfilms.fandom.com/wiki/Species:_Naked_Aggression)
Species: Special (https://speciesfilms.fandom.com/wiki/Species_Special)

Those last two weren't even published.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2024, 05:03:59 AMThose last two weren't even published.

Oh... I'm guessing I'm not very observant person

Naked Aggression, that's a title that would get attention.

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 04, 2024, 12:19:30 AMSince the Alien franchise first came in, there had themes about Sexual ideals such as forced pregnancy, assault, and Many more can be see within the movie. But overtime the franchise seem to focus less on those theme, only a couple of time in the prequel and Games. Now if it would came back, how would you feel about it?

If we are talking about sex, someone correct me if I am wrong, but weren't there orignally supposed to be a sex scene between Dallas and Ripley? Fans have always wondered about their relationship, if it goes beyond merely professional (and there are hints I guess Dallas had more than a professional interest in Ripley), but that was never really explored.

I think its good they left the relationship between Dallas and Ripley vague, a sex scene wasn't really necessary. And there were references to the sexual theme of Alien anyway, when Ash rammed a rolled up magazine down Ripley's throat, next to some porn magazines.

Quote from: Cougerboy on Apr 09, 2024, 08:37:05 AM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 04, 2024, 12:19:30 AMSince the Alien franchise first came in, there had themes about Sexual ideals such as forced pregnancy, assault, and Many more can be see within the movie. But overtime the franchise seem to focus less on those theme, only a couple of time in the prequel and Games. Now if it would came back, how would you feel about it?

If we are talking about sex, someone correct me if I am wrong, but weren't there orignally supposed to be a sex scene between Dallas and Ripley? Fans have always wondered about their relationship, if it goes beyond merely professional (and there are hints I guess Dallas had more than a professional interest in Ripley), but that was never really explored.

I think its good they left the relationship between Dallas and Ripley amibigous, a sex scene wasn't really necessary. And there were references to the sexual them of Alien anyway, when Ash rammed a rolled up magazine down Ripley's throat, next to some porn magazines.

Yep there was a version of the story where there was supposed to be one. It was never filmed.

All the crew was shagging except Ash and this was a reason to think he was suspicious. Also deleted, but filmed.

Oh shit I didn't know that.

I don't know if there is an actual filmed scene in which Ripley and Dalles get closer, but the scene with the distrust of Ash was filmed, that's right.
Ripley asks Lambert if she ever hooked up with Ash.
I think it's in the deleted scenes of the Alien Quadrilogy.


Since the Alien films are actually always about the reproduction of the alien, and in a certain sense about violent sex. The topic is always present simply because of the facehuggers.

But Lamberst's death is such an open matter.
The new cut makes it seem like the alien is attacking Lambert with his tail in an area that isn't so pleasant. (it was originally in Brat's death scene)


Does anyone have the book The Making of Species?
In some of Giger's drawings there are some pretty rough actions by Sil as she sexually abuses her victims. but they were a bit too daring for the studio.

Alien could also go in similar directions.
Not necessarily that the alien is actually having sex with a human, but it could be "exploring" a human, so to speak, while slowly killing.
Similar to Lambert's death scene.
Was it Powell who said "the alien might as well f**k you before it kills you"?

I could imagine that Fede could do something similar in Romulus, but it's in the hands of the studio and might be too daring for them.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 09, 2024, 12:26:53 PMOh shit I didn't know that.

Right after Ripley takes command and tells aaah she has control of Mother, the scene continued to have Ripley all Lambert if she'd ever slept with Ash.

Also I'm reasonably sure the scene where Ripley goes to Dallas in the shuttle for their boning session was filmed as a screen test (the lead up, not the boning).

Quote from: SiL on Apr 09, 2024, 12:38:15 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 09, 2024, 12:26:53 PMOh shit I didn't know that.

Right after Ripley takes command and tells aaah she has control of Mother, the scene continued to have Ripley all Lambert if she'd ever slept with Ash.

Also I'm reasonably sure the scene where Ripley goes to Dallas in the shuttle for their boning session was filmed as a screen test (the lead up, not the boning).

Yeah it is congruent with the sexual themes they were exploring with this movie.

Quote from: Neila on Apr 09, 2024, 12:29:03 PMI don't know if there is an actual filmed scene in which Ripley and Dalles get closer, but the scene with the distrust of Ash was filmed, that's right.
Ripley asks Lambert if she ever hooked up with Ash.
I think it's in the deleted scenes of the Alien Quadrilogy.


Since the Alien films are actually always about the reproduction of the alien, and in a certain sense about violent sex. The topic is always present simply because of the facehuggers.

But Lamberst's death is such an open matter.
The new cut makes it seem like the alien is attacking Lambert with his tail in an area that isn't so pleasant. (it was originally in Brat's death scene)


Does anyone have the book The Making of Species?
In some of Giger's drawings there are some pretty rough actions by Sil as she sexually abuses her victims. but they were a bit too daring for the studio.

Alien could also go in similar directions.
Not necessarily that the alien is actually having sex with a human, but it could be "exploring" a human, so to speak, while slowly killing.
Similar to Lambert's death scene.
Was it Powell who said "the alien might as well f**k you before it kills you"?

I could imagine that Fede could do something similar in Romulus, but it's in the hands of the studio and might be too daring for them.

I always loved the implied idea that the Alien toys with it's prey before killing it, in a very perverse way, although perverse is a human definition.

Sexual themes are part and parcel in the Alien franchise and have been since the first movie. They absolutely have their place in it, and it would be a little weird if they were wholly removed.

Having said that, there's ways to do it properly and for great effect, and just doing it for shock value (I'm looking at you, pregnant woman belly bursters in AvPR).

Quote from: Neila on Apr 09, 2024, 12:29:03 PMI don't know if there is an actual filmed scene in which Ripley and Dalles get closer, but the scene with the distrust of Ash was filmed, that's right.
Ripley asks Lambert if she ever hooked up with Ash.
I think it's in the deleted scenes of the Alien Quadrilogy.


Since the Alien films are actually always about the reproduction of the alien, and in a certain sense about violent sex. The topic is always present simply because of the facehuggers.

But Lamberst's death is such an open matter.
The new cut makes it seem like the alien is attacking Lambert with his tail in an area that isn't so pleasant. (it was originally in Brat's death scene)


Does anyone have the book The Making of Species?
In some of Giger's drawings there are some pretty rough actions by Sil as she sexually abuses her victims. but they were a bit too daring for the studio.

Alien could also go in similar directions.
Not necessarily that the alien is actually having sex with a human, but it could be "exploring" a human, so to speak, while slowly killing.
Similar to Lambert's death scene.
Was it Powell who said "the alien might as well f**k you before it kills you"?

I could imagine that Fede could do something similar in Romulus, but it's in the hands of the studio and might be too daring for them.

Lambert's death is always somewhat ambiguous, leaving it up to the imagination, so to speak. That was intentionally on the part of Ridley Scott.

I think Lambert's death is perfect as it is. We hear horrible screams and imagine the worst.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 09, 2024, 10:45:01 PMSexual themes are part and parcel in the Alien franchise and have been since the first movie. They absolutely have their place in it, and it would be a little weird if they were wholly removed.

Having said that, there's ways to do it properly and for great effect, and just doing it for shock value (I'm looking at you, pregnant woman belly bursters in AvPR).

I think it's always supposed to cause some kind of shock or discomfort.
But it is true that the way things are presented has changed over the years.
The Belly Burster scene would probably have caused demonstrations on the streets in the 70s.
In Alien 1 it had to be a man who was first raped and then had to give birth to death.

If it had been a woman there would have been far more protest.
So it was almost a satisfaction for the zeitgeist that the previously untouchable man was suddenly completely helpless and vulnerable.

The belly busters are a problem for being pregnant women, not women in general. Women got a lot worse than chest burster in films in the 70s.