Poll
Question:
What did you think of AvP?
Option 1: Hated It
votes: 53
Option 2: Disappointing
votes: 99
Option 3: Okay
votes: 94
Option 4: Good
votes: 65
Option 5: Great
votes: 37
What did you think of AvP?
It's a wierd film for me. On one viewing I enjoy it alot and an another I can't stand it. But generally, it was a very disappointing film. :'(
I gotta re-watch it again, my opinion in films has changed a lot recently.
I bought it on DVD in April and watched it through, then listened to both commentaries.
I still don't like it although I wish I'd have waited for the DVD instead of watching it the way I did. I liked the main Alien-Predator fight I guess.
The Celtic vs Alien fight I did enjoy, except Celtic being killed. Its just ridiculous, in hand to hand, a Predator can generally take out an Alien, just look at the original comics.
A Predator could take out a 1000 Aliens and still be standing. I just hate the way they were portrayed in AvP. Paul Anderson changed far too much relating to the Predators.
I don't know about a thousand. Hand to hand certainly not. But I hated the way they were portrayed as well.
Anderson's commentary bugged the hell out of me. I love watching films with commentaries - one of the reasons I'd been excited about the Quad - but I just couldn't stand it. Skipped to the Celtic-Scar fight and then turned it off.
Well, I listened to both commentaries. It pisses me off what Anderson says about the Predators in the first two films being children.
I found one of the interviews they did with him hilarious. He kept on going on about how you can't find a bigger Alien and Pred fan than him.
What does he call them? Predatoids?
Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Nov 26, 2006, 05:29:16 PM
I found one of the interviews they did with him hilarious. He kept on going on about how you can't find a bigger Alien and Pred fan than him.
I think the moral of the story there is don't let "fans" make Alien and Predator movies.
Personally I think it's, don't let no talent hacks make any Alien/Predator films. It's people like him that given British film makers a bad name.
Totally agree with you there Hicks.
Quote from: Corpral Hicks on Nov 27, 2006, 08:51:46 AM
Personally I think it's, don't let no talent hacks make any Alien/Predator films. It's people like him that given British film makers a bad name.
Yeah, it still surprises how this guy still keeps getting work.
I watched it again last night, my pros and cons:
Pros - I loved some of the Predator weapons and amour (like wrist blades etc). I actually thought they didn't look to bulky. I also loved the Predator masks. I thought the Aliens were pretty cool. The effects were brilliant, as did the alien. I though the scene where the Predator spirals through the air and jabs the Queen was awesome. I thought the Celtic vs Alien fight looked quite cool.
Cons - Hated the way that the Predator's got killed so easily. Crap dialog (Hunters Moon). Bad acting in some places. Lex looks far to skinny and pristine to be a mountain hiker or whatever, let alone be taken to fight along side a Predator. Hated the Predator faces. Hated the way it was always so dark. Generally the Predator's looked really slow, like old WWE wrestlers or something, with only one example of them being warrior-like. Hated the new Predator thermal vision (though I liked the alien vision). I hated the ridiculously large shoulder cannons.
2 out of 5 - Disappointing.
QuoteI though the scene where the Predator spirals through the air and jabs the Queen was awesome.
I thought that was terrible actually. I just didn't like the japanese-influence that they'd given the Predators. The shuriken and that jump are prime examples.
QuoteHated the new Predator thermal vision (though I liked the alien vision).
Same here. I actually found out why they changed it to orange. On the DVD, the visual effects guy, John Bruno, said it was done because it "looked cooler". How can they change something like that? It really puzzles me.
I thought it looked cool. Better than WWE the rest of the time.
It didn't look cooler anyways. It served no purpose. And even if it did, they're destroying a vital part of the culture of the Predator.
Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Nov 18, 2006, 09:15:36 AM
The Celtic vs Alien fight I did enjoy, except Celtic being killed. Its just ridiculous, in hand to hand, a Predator can generally take out an Alien, just look at the original comics.
In AvP on the PC I can pretty easily take out loads of predators as an Alien. I'd imagine any decently skilled Alien could do the same.
But on the game it's to give the player a chance.
AvP wasn't all bad. I got a pair of really nice banners for it.
Well, I did liked it, I have to agree that it could've beena lot better and that Anderson simply did whatever he could to get the job done, decent imagery and a quick buck.
But it's not completely his fault, I think it's more Fox's fault by hiring him in the first place. If they were serious about it, they would've hired a better director (Scott, Cameron, Jackson or Del Toro), and Stan Winston Studios at least!
I thought the overall concept was pretty interesting, some of the visuals were really cool, I hated the Preds being all wierd phisically, and slow...but it definetly had potential, I enjoy it every now an then.
The good thing is that it completely resurrected the merchandise for both lines, because currently there's a lot of Alien and Predator products out there, and pretty cool ones! So, not everything was bad!
The thing is that currently Hollywood doesn't take chances, they want to sell products...but if good directors like Nolan or Raimi can make great movies with box office success, then somebody can do the same with AvP...unfortunately the problem is that FOX hired a coouple of Music Video directors for AvP2, but let's wait and see.
ADI did a good job on the costumes - apart from the Predators but I think that was down to Andersons interference.
And don't sell out the Strauses yet. Ridley was just a commerical director before he did Alien - unless you count the one film he did before hand.
Why would you not count a film among his films? ???
It's not the best but it's ok. :)
Duellists, that's it. The point is he hadn't made a lot of stuff before hand. Mostly ads on Tv and a single film.
And episodes of TV shows. I think.
The Strause Brothers could have potential, we just don't know.
AvP had way to many faults to be a decent film IMO.
I dont understand Anderson, he had 6 movies to help him make a great, scary but full of action movie...and he f----d it up, i dont hink hes ever seen any of the Alien or Predator movies, he probablly went on youtube and watched some clips of the films >:(
It's O.K.
All the good moments were Predator and Alien shots. Bad bits were unnecessary human fodders. Also the Batman rip off between Scar and Alexa was so cheezy... it kind of ruined it. lol... ::)
As a standalone Action-/Sci-Fi-movie, like let's say it had all started with this one, then I think it's "OK". At least decent enough not to be considered B-grade crap.
But, the problem comes when you have the previous A & P movies to compare it to. Because of that, I felt it was definitely "Disappointing" enough, so that's what I vote.
Very cheesy. She isn't good enough to fight with a Pred IMO.
I liked AVP as a whole.
I still wish it would have been set in the future like the video games.
Paul Anderson isn't that bad of a guy, he tried to stay faithful to the fans, but I was really upset that the Predators were portrayed like weakilings.
The novelization on the other hand, was a great book.
Hell, we didn't get to see Chopper/Fishgill or CELTIC predator for more than 10 minutes.
AvP was okay in my opinion. There were some things I did like, namely watching Predator and alien duke it out, and there were things that I didn't like, such as the plot... I'm still wondering why they based it in Antartica... why not in the middle of the Sahara or something? It would probably make more sense being Predators are more fond of the heat.
I agree. Paul said the Aliens suit being in a cold place, though I think they're adaptable to anywhere.
I actually do think he made a right call by putting it in arctic regions simply because predators like warm climates better. If this is a manhood sort of ritual, where you're supposed to show you're a bad ass etc, it would make more sense to choose a location that's rough and hard on you, rather than a comfy snug warm one. :)
That was always my opinion too.
This movie was too damn short, i mean i waited 10 years for this movie and all i got was an hour 27 with hardly any Pred/Alien action (not the sexual kind) most of the movie was a bunch of people walking around getting killed off one by one, like the flash movie from legendary frog "Whoever wins we lose" yeah i just lost 8 dollars for this garbage.
Sometimes I think Fox choose that tagline just so we could rip it.
And isn't that Tagline technically incorrect? We did kinda win, being the entire human race didn't get wiped out.
It was okay.
It was alot of fun watchin it in the theatres with the fans on the opening showing. All of us hootin and hollerin. *not as fun as Snakes On A Plane though*
Watching it when I got it on DVD was actually quiet boring. It felt like I had watched it 100 times before that one time I had actually seen it. So basically they just used stuff we have all seen before. So the movie is very boring to me. I can watch it about once every year. When I got the Directors Cut, I liked how they said it was going to be gorier and scarier... I thought the 3D blood was just incredibly bad, that pissed me off... They just added it to make more money. I just really hope AvP2 lives up to what expectations I had for the first one.
QuoteI actually do think he made a right call by putting it in arctic regions simply because predators like warm climates better. If this is a manhood sort of ritual, where you're supposed to show you're a bad ass etc, it would make more sense to choose a location that's rough and hard on you, rather than a comfy snug warm one.
I never really thought of that. Good idea, though I still prefer the jungle. I mean, in the comics, even when they're on hot lands, the aliens are seen as so powerful, its dangerous regardless of the environment.
General dissapointment.
Right, well I really liked it. The Antarctic setting was a great idea. I'm interested in ancient civilisations as well and thought working that in was terrific, for years scientists and archaeologists have been trying to explain the similarities and mirroring of these advanced civilisations, its quite plausible that they all immigrated from one point.
Anyway, back to the film. It has the definite feel of ALIENS - dark, claustrophobic, corridors and no easy way out. As with Aliens, a heavily armed group and a female driven by her psyche (in this case the survival of the people she met) and they go into an 'abandoned' structure that is infested.
It also opens more doors to the Predator character. The scene that shows it best is when the Lead Predator watches when Lex has to shoot her companion, cos he's impregnated, at his own behest. You can see he's taking it all in - studying the situation in fact.
yeh, some lines are iffy like when he asks, "what are these?" - you're at a whaling station, what do you think they are moron? Also the "Hunter's moon..ha ha ha" - wtf? Whats funny?
Anyway, I often skip to the Celtic vs Alien battle, using suits more and less CGI helped tremendously. there are some great moments.
I also really thought the unrated edition was better, I really didn't care that there wasn't more violence in it, I was more interested in the added scenes like the pre-title sequence, discovery of the calcified face hugger, Lex hearing the Queen strain, the development of the Miller and Cohagen characters in the ship, some alternate takes and the examination by Miller of the severed skulls/spine.
Just as this was another Alien film with Preds in it, part 2 will, by the looks of it, undoubtedly be another Predator film with Aliens in it.
I voted disappointing mainly because I expected so much more from the film. There is too much to write and detail so I'll just post a list of grievances I have for the film.
1. I wanted a sci-fi setting rather than a cheap present-day setting.
2. Canonical to the Alien franchise in the sense that 10-minute chestbursters are just dumb.
3. Charles Bishop Weyland and Bishop II are identical despite an age difference of over 200 years?
4. Character development, no nameless deaths.
5. Fear factor, AvP didn't even remotely come close to scaring me or at least disturbing me.
6. An hour and a half is too short for Aliens and Predators.
7. Antarctica? Please...
Erm, there are more but those were the main points. As you can see, AvP disappoints me quite a bit but I guess it could have been worse... much worse actually.
Not having a go, you have a valid opinion and it didn't meet you expectations, thats fair enough, Spielberg's War of The Worlds is the same for me. Just want to clear up a point, though -
3. Charles Bishop Weyland and Bishop II are identical despite an age difference of over 200 years?
By Bishop 2 you mean the guy in Alien 3 or the artificial human?
If you mean the artificial human, the answer is obvious - its only modelled on him, but even so there are heaps of examples that every number of generations has someone that is uncannily alike to another. My father is the spitting image of one of our family's medieval relatives. Its not so strange.
As far as the gestation goes I just put that down to these people being healthy, fit hosts and not malnurished skinny space jocks living on protein mush.
For the longest time people ask why do Aliens always stab the brain with thier proboscus and leave the meat, why not eat it? The explanation most widely accepted by Alien fans is that they require a certain portion of the brain, a certain enzyme to survive, they are not complex beings, more insect than anything else obviously, does everybody here share that explanation?
Quote from: Predator Schwarzenegger on Dec 15, 2006, 02:58:31 AM3. Charles Bishop Weyland and Bishop II are identical despite an age difference of over 200 years?
By Bishop 2 you mean the guy in Alien 3 or the artificial human?
If you mean the artificial human, the answer is obvious - its only modelled on him, but even so there are heaps of examples that every number of generations has someone that is uncannily alike to another. My father is the spitting image of one of our family's medieval relatives. Its not so strange.
As far as the gestation goes I just put that down to these people being healthy, fit hosts and not malnurished skinny space jocks living on protein mush.
I believe that Bishop II or "Michael Bishop" that we see at the end of Alien 3 is human. As for genetics, I am sure it is possible but it is
highly unlikely. The probability I calculated is approximately 0.4% (0.5 to the power of eight assuming there were eight generations between the two and that the genetics from both partners are equal in dominance). Like I said, highly unlikely.
As for gestation, I don't think it would speed up by 1440 times (assuming it took Kane 24 hours to chestburst and ten minutes for the characters in AvP). It doesn't matter if you ate McDonald's your entire life, nothing would speed it up that much.
Calculation? 0.4? power of eight!?...you sure like numbers. geez, what are you like when you watch otherfilms like Total Recall and the Time Machine or something. You're one of those people that watch a 20 second time limit on a bomb and point out that the events occuring actually took 1 minute 45 seconds right!? ;D ;) lol! Sorry, just kidding - no offense.
It didn't actually take 24 hours for gestation. If you remember, Ripley said in Aliens that the Alien killed the Nostromo crew in less than 24 hours.
One thing that I didn't get was when the Pred in the Celtic mask pretty much kicked the crap out of the one alien, but the alien still came back and won. Then, Lex killed another alien by simply stabbing it though the chest. Was the one alien more durable or something?
Yeh, she used the Predator combistick/spear and stabbed it through as it was jumping at her.
Thats one of those 'movie moments' isn't it, really? So she ran it through with the spear she was holding up - it jumped right into it - classic Hollywood stuff.
I liked it at first until I took time to observe the movie..I didn't like the way they made the predators looked.The scar predator looked like a retard I swear..Thats why I didn't like it!!!
I just watched The Making Of AvP and I really wish it'd have been something better. I still stand by it being a good story but they should have gotten a proper writer to do the script.
Also, it took them 1 month to shoot the Celtic vs Grid fight scene. I'm not surprised we didn't get many. I wonder if we'll get more stuff in AvP2.
Quote from: Predator Schwarzenegger on Dec 16, 2006, 05:21:07 AM
Calculation? 0.4? power of eight!?...you sure like numbers. geez, what are you like when you watch otherfilms like Total Recall and the Time Machine or something. You're one of those people that watch a 20 second time limit on a bomb and point out that the events occuring actually took 1 minute 45 seconds right!? ;D ;) lol! Sorry, just kidding - no offense.
I was studying for Data Management that night so numbers were running through my brain. Plus, it is simple probability when calculating stuff like that, I probably would have done it regardless of studying.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2006, 11:09:16 AM
It didn't actually take 24 hours for gestation. If you remember, Ripley said in Aliens that the Alien killed the Nostromo crew in less than 24 hours.
Ah, right. I remembered hearing 24 hours and I just assumed that was Kane's gestation period. Can anyone give me a more accurate time for both Kane and the victims in
AvP? Then I'll be able to give you guys a better probability simulation.
10 minutes in AvP and about...10 hours maybe in Alien.
So 60 times to chestburst because of bad food... either the people in the future are eating rocks or someone forgot to do their research... *cough*Paul Anderson*cough*.
I don't hate it as much as some people. I enjoy it when the creatures are on screen. I was just disappointed. It could have been so much better.
I think AvP is a good movie, but looking at the Alien and Predator films it could have been way better. There is so much potential for this crossover! I actually like the idea with the pyramid, very well done. For 30 minutes or something, when there are the first fights between the Preds and Aliens the film even gets very good, but its over too fast. The human characters aren't really interesting and the cast isn't great as well. Thats one of the biggest problems of the movie I guess...
Well i thought the movie was good although it wasnt really what i expected. Just to let u know this is my first post on this site. Could someone tell me who wrote the descriptions of the Predator weapons on this site because i would like to talk to him. Anyways back to the movie i think the setting was kinda good. In the book it said that a very very very long time ago antarctica was a dense jungle which suits the idea that the predators loved tropical climate. I think the reason the preds were so weak was that they were probably teenagers in predator years. I mean the aliens are supposed to be a challenge. An experienced predator would have been able to kill an alien with little problems.
I think the time for chestbursters are a fast but maybe the people from the future are eating something that somehow slows the process for the chestbursters. Maybe some type of chemical or something.
One of the many flaws in the movie was...it's the south-pole, and there's no frost breath.
Another is that the aliens started a hive.... weren't the eggs supposed to pop up in the sacrificial chamber? How did they get in the hive?
I thought the hive was in the sacrificial chamber, if not the Alien carried the new eggs they, so there closer to the queen, in truth i dont know, yet ???
for me it was dissapointing because this movie had so much potential and i really thought that anderson might actually pull this off and make a name for him self BUT NO it got ripped to shreds by the press and critics alike! >:(
the movie did have its moments like the celtic pred against the grid alien but got killed way too easierly! >:( but now a days they only make movies to make a quick buck if you know what i mean. :o
The first AVP was LAME! >:(
Eh...AvP is a film to me that has two sides to it.
On one side, its essentially an action flick, with explosions, cheesy lines, slow motion running, and as an action film, its not that bad.
But on the other side, as a Alien/Predator movie...well..it makes the Baby Jesus cry >__>.
Aside from the already said gestation period, and antartic setting, i feel that the only thing that this film has in common with the originals, is that it contains the title characters, and is ultimately extremely disappointing. Especially with the 2 Predators being killed within 10 minutes of each other.
So overall, its good as an action film, but terrible as an Alien/Predator film
Could've been worse.
Could've been a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot better.
But still, could've been worse.
Yes, it could've brought the aliens across as cannon fodder.
It could also have starred Paris Hilton.
It could have speaking preds.
We should be thankful for what we got. All that's left now is to pray that AvP2 will be good.
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I saw it when I was 16, with no real subjectivity when it comes to film, and thought it was pretty good. Now I'm 18, with a broad taste for film, and little bias. So, reluctantly, I decided to pop this flick in two nights ago for kicks. HORRIBLE. Bad setting, bad designs for the creatures, horrible fight sequences that either ended too quickly or left a bad taste in my mouth, etc. etc. The only thing that can be excused is the acting. Whereas, it would be good for character development if you actually believed in the characters, but oh well, they're primarily there to bit-the-big-one anyway. As far as Lex, you're not going to find someone to replace a strong female role like Sigourny or Glover or Schwarzenegger, so forget it. Scar was acceptable to watch. Although it seemed Anderson made him out to be Mr.Crowd-Favorite-Hero (with a boner for Lex). Instead of the tight-fisted, alien-shredding monster he was in this film for. The most notable of moments occurred when the Queen was reaching for Lex while Lex was under that water tower and out-of-f**king-left-field comes scar with some kind of Steven Seagal back-spin that drove his spear into the Queen's head. Loved it. But all-in-all. 2/5. I give popcorn-flicks credit where credit may or may not be due. I just have better expectations for the sequel. ;D
The AvP argument goes on & on ! Man, i can't beleive some of the statements, arguments, flaws etc people come out with !!
This is the first time i've ever been on a message board, but i've got to speak out about AvP ! & i apologise that this may drag on a bit !
I'm a huge aliens and predator fan, the first 2 videos (that's videos folks!) i owned were aliens and predator (and robocop, how that needs doing properly on the big screen again, but that's another story !) I collected the comics 15 years ago and started again on e-bay when i settled down with my girlfriend !!!
No-one, thats no one could have been looking forward to AvP more than me, especially as i side on the predators side and they hadn't been around since the kik ass Predator 2. My girlfriend thought i was crazy, i wouldn't watch the trailer when we went to see other movies, wouldn't read magazine articles etc and was like a kid at the start of the film, i was 31 !!
My verdict - i enjoyed it (it's nice to see i'm not alone there) the aliens and especially the predators were back and they kicked each others asses ! Yeah, it could have been better, but you're trying to top the 2 most iconic alien creature pics ever, which i feel will NEVER happen and your'e never going to please everyone.
How can it be like the first predator or alien, you can't have the build up to the creature and aliens and predator 2 were 2 of the biggest kik ass films you're ever likely to see, it had to be it's own animal and how do you blend the 2 ??
You've got to remember that neither franchise had been commercially or critically successful since predator (which was only a modest hit at the time) so the critics of the film who wanted it set on another world etc, get real ! there just wouldn't have been the budget. It's a miracle the film got greenlit at all - no stars, no a-list director, success based on fan loyalty (which doesn't always equate to good box office a la serenity)
I thought the general concept and idea for the film was cool, it looked cool, was fast paced and generally kiked ass.
You critics should be grateful that AvP2 is now upon us, this wouldn't have happened if AvP had failed miserably at the box office and we could get Predator 3 and Alien 5 so hears to good box office for AvP2.
Some of the criticisms too are so unjust, some people just don't know enough about the aliens or predators & what is it with the hatred of Paul Anderson?? I'm not a "gamer" but i think resident evil is a cool film and event horizon isn't that bad ?? AvP could have been a lot lot worse.
Back to the actual film and a response to a few criticisms :
1) The arctic setting (refer to comic Predator : Cold War !)
2) The speed of the alien gestation, it speeded things along dudes, it's a sci-fi creature film for fraks sake, it's like criticising John woo for using too many bullets or robo never getting hit in the mouth, these are reasons you like the movies even more !
3) Would seeing a chest burster come out made that big of a difference ??
4) Young predators getting killed early (beleive me i wasn't overly happy about this) But the aliens are nasty hombres and if all 3 preds had got their shoulder cannons the film would have been even shorter !!
5) An R rating would have been preferable but you can understand the need to meke more money, such a shame hollywood is just a business nowadays.
6) Look of the predators, i didn't mind them being bigger but didn't like the faces as much. Predator 2 definitely has the coolest looking pred.
Don't get me wrong, the film isn't faultless ! Sure, an R rating would have been better, who wouldn't want more alien and pred fighting, some better acting etc But dudes, in our lifetime we've got to see a predator and an alien face off big time and because that film was successful we're gonna see it again. I actually feel there's more pressure on AvP 2 as AvP got so much flak, i won't be complaining if it's better tho !
Anyway, it's late, i'm tired and i look forward to any replies.
Here's to the continuation of the alien and predator franchises
Stickaround !
QuoteHow can it be like the first predator or alien, you can't have the build up to the creature and aliens and predator 2 were 2 of the biggest kik ass films you're ever likely to see, it had to be it's own animal and how do you blend the 2 ??
That's exactly what Anderson did. He spent the first 30 minutes trying to built it up. But there was no need, we already know what the creatures look like.
QuoteSome of the criticisms too are so unjust, some people just don't know enough about the aliens or predators
People who criticized it don't know enough about aliens or predators? The reason so many of us didn't like it was because we are big alien and predator fans.
Quotewhat is it with the hatred of Paul Anderson??
It's pretty obvious. He's one of the worst film directors/writers I've ever seen.
Quote1) The arctic setting (refer to comic Predator : Cold War !)
Yeah, and I think that was a major problem. If he'd have based AvP off the movies instead of some comic, it would have been a lot better.
Quote3) Would seeing a chest burster come out made that big of a difference ??
You mean out of Sebastian? Yes. There wasn't even any blood on it.
Quote4) Young predators getting killed early (beleive me i wasn't overly happy about this) But the aliens are nasty hombres and if all 3 preds had got their shoulder cannons the film would have been even shorter !!
Perhaps but I doubt one alien would be able to take out two Predators in such a short space of time.
Quote5) An R rating would have been preferable but you can understand the need to meke more money, such a shame hollywood is just a business nowadays.
It's a sad time we live in. :(
QuoteI actually feel there's more pressure on AvP 2 as AvP got so much flak, i won't be complaining if it's better tho !
I don't think it will be very hard to do a better film than AvP.
Response to your points
1)He wasn't building up to the creature reveal but to the fight, i don't think it took that long to get to the action & you've got to have some backstory !
For the film you me and everyone else wanted you're talking about a $200million budget with james cameron directing at his best. The film would probably have gone CGI crazy then, it was good to see it used more "real" action and the CGI that was used was xcellent.
2)There's no bigger fan than me mate, i'd have been the first to say (but not on the net) if it had been truly awful, but it wasn't.
3)I tell you now, if exactly the same film had been made by anyone other than paul anderson the criticism wouldn't have been as bad. He was slated before the movie even started shooting, what is it with these internet campaigns, like the x-men and superman costumes, daniel craig as bond etc They don't achieve anything.
If you want to blame anyone, blame the studio, they pick the director, choose the rating etc
At the very least he breathed life into 2 dead franchises. I love predator 2 but when it came out it was critically and commercially unsuccessful and that was the end of the preds for 14 years and resurrection did the same to aliens.
AvP made money and thats why we have AvP2
4)I was just making the point that preds hunt in the cold, some "fans" seemed to think this wasn't the case
5)An r rated chestbursting would definitely have been better, but it didn't ruin the movie for me
6)I think there will defo be more fighting in AvP2 But it will be interesting to see how the human angle is handled, is the pred helping us stop an alien infestation ? & can he win and survive for a change ?! My choice for director would have been Zak Snyder but i hope the strause bro's do a great job.
Stickaround !
Quote from: stickaround on Jan 20, 2007, 08:33:35 PM
1)He wasn't building up to the creature reveal but to the fight, i don't think it took that long to get to the action & you've got to have some backstory !
For the film you me and everyone else wanted you're talking about a $200million budget with james cameron directing at his best. The film would probably have gone CGI crazy then, it was good to see it used more "real" action and the CGI that was used was xcellent.
Ok, lets think for the moment that AvP had been based on AvP: Prey for a moment. The price of the sets and whatnot would probably cost the same as any other action film set, maybe a little bit more for the complex scenes. Then you have the fees for the director, actors, crew etc, and judging from the amounf of characters in the film you wouldnt necessarily need as many, with the costume actors playing different characters and such. Now the most expensive part of most movies is more than likely the CGI, now up untill A3 none of the Alien or Predator movies had used CGI, which in my eyes means CGI in an AvP movie, is unneccesary, when we can get great looking creatures without CGI. The problem comes when you decide on who you use for the costumes. Now im not entirely sure who was used on the avp movie, but theres the choice between Stan Winston, you would be quite expensive, or Tom Woodruff and Alec Gillis, who would probably be the cheaper choice. Now lets say they go with Stan Winston, and you've probably got the best creature designer and animatronics team available, which would push the budget up as well. Now im not entirely sure how much this would cost, but if Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith cost $115 million. Then take into account the amount of CGI and the high name actors in there, i doubt that this would cost as much. As well as the fact that if Fox can fork out $200 million for X-Men 3, then im pretty sure they wouldnt care about money when you have two of the most iconic creatures in movie histroy in one movie, as well as the fact that Fox would probably get more than the budget back in sales, merchandise etc.
Quote2)There's no bigger fan than me mate, i'd have been the first to say (but not on the net) if it had been truly awful, but it wasn't.
Now, i dont know about other people, but the reason people hate this film (and with good reason) is how it completely pisses on whats been established in earlier movies. The Predator, which are known for destroying nearly two whole special forces teams on its own (Im pretty sure that the first squad in, in predator were killed by the pred, due to the skinning) , how two of them can get killed in the space of 10 minutes. Now if say there was more preds and they were getting killed by a queen then i wouldnt mind so much as we know how powerful a queen is, yet while not completely 'canon'. Taking a look into the novels and such, you've got Predators on their first hunt, taking down at least 5-8 Aliens before being overrun. Yet Anderson decides to piss on this and instead decides that two Preds should get killed next to each other...by the same alien. Thats what makes the film awful, as well as some of the lines.....and the cheesy slow motion running sequence.....urgh...
Quote3)I tell you now, if exactly the same film had been made by anyone other than paul anderson the criticism wouldn't have been as bad. He was slated before the movie even started shooting, what is it with these internet campaigns, like the x-men and superman costumes, daniel craig as bond etc They don't achieve anything.
If you want to blame anyone, blame the studio, they pick the director, choose the rating etc
At the very least he breathed life into 2 dead franchises. I love predator 2 but when it came out it was critically and commercially unsuccessful and that was the end of the preds for 14 years and resurrection did the same to aliens.
AvP made money and thats why we have AvP2
Anderson was getting slated before the film was out, due to his inability to make a good movie, look at Mortal Kombat, look at Resident Evil, look at AvP, all of these films had huge potential, but you put Anderson in charge and he destroys them in the eyes of the fans. Sure the people who dont know a thing about the series might like them as action flicks, but as people who actually care about the characters and everything he destorys all these franchises have established and everything the fans love about them.
Quote4)I was just making the point that preds hunt in the cold, some "fans" seemed to think this wasn't the case
I havnt read Cold War, but checking on the book, it says the predator crashlands in the snowy region. Now im pretty surethat the pred is not hunting there by choice, everything else has the preds hunting in a primarily warm, and hot enviroment
Quote5)An r rated chestbursting would definitely have been better, but it didn't ruin the movie for me
Theres been one in every Alien film before this, so why not bother to show one this time?
Quote1)He wasn't building up to the creature reveal but to the fight, i don't think it took that long to get to the action & you've got to have some backstory !
He tried that but nothing is happening in the first 30 minutes. There's very little characterisation.
QuoteFor the film you me and everyone else wanted you're talking about a $200million budget with james cameron directing at his best.
I agree about the bigger budget though but not that big. I'd have settled for a better script. And I also wouldn't want James Cameron to do any AvP film. Ridley Scott, Cameron and Weaver all said AvP would be a disaster and they were right. I think it would have been hard to do an AvP film either way but Anderson did it in one of the worst possible ways imagineable.
QuoteThe film would probably have gone CGI crazy then, it was good to see it used more "real" action and the CGI that was used was xcellent.
I think AvP was already CGI crazy. They used too much of it on the aliens. And the CGI wasn't that great.
Quote2)There's no bigger fan than me mate, i'd have been the first to say (but not on the net) if it had been truly awful, but it wasn't.
Hmm, that's what Anderson said too. :P I don't believe anybody who claims they thought AvP was a great movie and still call themselves, a huge fan of the originals.
Sure, AvP could have been a lot worse. Not sure how, exactly. But there were simply too many negative things in AvP to ignore. Are you seriously telling me you had no problem with the team-up scene and the slow-motion running? And then he had the cheek to imply there was some kind of romantic relationship between Lex and Scar. Then there was the predator face-design issue.
Quote3)I tell you now, if exactly the same film had been made by anyone other than paul anderson the criticism wouldn't have been as bad. He was slated before the movie even started shooting, what is it with these internet campaigns, like the x-men and superman costumes, daniel craig as bond etc They don't achieve anything.
I doubt a different director would have made any difference to AvP if they were using the same sort of script. There was of course a lot of skepticism when Anderson was announced as writer/director but I can tell you that a lot of people were still hyped for the movie, at least in the AvP community. Personally, I had no preference on Paul Anderson before AvP came out, I liked Mortal Kombat, Event Horizon and Resident Evil. After seeing AvP, I despise him and everything connected to him.
QuoteIf you want to blame anyone, blame the studio, they pick the director, choose the rating etc
Yeah, I do and Fox are to blame for choosing him in the first place. But his script was just terrible and an insult to fans. There's no way getting around that. The script could have been a lot better.
QuoteAt the very least he breathed life into 2 dead franchises. I love predator 2 but when it came out it was critically and commercially unsuccessful and that was the end of the preds for 14 years and resurrection did the same to aliens.
Yeah, okay, I guess I can agree with that but I think he did a lot of damage to the credibility of Alien and Predator. Hell, this guy prevented Alien 5 from getting made. That would have been a damn site more interesting than what he did.
QuoteAvP made money and thats why we have AvP2
True, and I still can't believe AvP2 is rated R. I was convinced a sequel would be PG13 again.
Quote5)An r rated chestbursting would definitely have been better, but it didn't ruin the movie for me
What about continuity and realism?
stickaround, I think your main issue is that you were obsessed with these franchises and then over a decade later, they're back so you automatically have to like whatever is put out. Stop romanticizing with the "good old days" and face the fact that AVP blew and did no good for either franchise. Your playing the "fair-weather-fan" card which, I think, is unfair. We all love these franchises or else we wouldn't be here talking about them. A true fan wouldn't want something they love falling farther in the shit-hole. Given what I've read so far, AVP2 will kick ass. But that doesn't mean AVP had to suck in order for the sequel to be good.
Replies to some of the comments !
Daschande
1) You really think an AvP film doesn't need CGI because previous films didn't use it before it was invented !! and sith was so cheap because lucas owns the company !! and they splashed £200mill on x-men last stand because the previous 2 movies made alot of money !!
2) I haven't disagreed that killing 2 preds early wasn't good, i'm more of a pred fan but if they'd all survived and got their canons the film wouldn't have lasted long as there wasn't enough aliens.
3) I enjoyed resident evil personally and the reason AvP wasn't put in more capable hands with a bigger budget was because neither franchise had made any money for a long time, this isn't to say that a director like Zak snyder wouldn't have done a better job and i've never said the film couldn't have been better, it could.
4) The cold conditions argument could go on forever ! Basically, the preds are capable of hunting in the cold & who says there initiation was supposed to be easy.
5) I give in on the chestburster scene, it should have been r rated goddammit !!
Darkness
1) I was just using james cameron as an ez example, i would have liked Zak Snyder or Robert Rodriguez (on sin city form) to direct.
2) I'd have to disagree, the queen for example was more impressive than in aliens (it's how cameron would have had it in aliens if he'd have had the technology daschande!!)
3) I never said AvP was a great movie but it's nowhere near as bad as some of you guys make out & don't presume that i can't still like the originals and like AvP ?! I'm glad i took the positives out of it rather than all the negatives.
The team up scene is from a storyline in the original AvP comic and i've said b4 the thing that disappointed me the most was the pred face, pred 2 had the coolest design.
You guys seem to think i'm pro AvP & against the originals, i just happen to like the film ! It's like liking T3 aswell as T1 & 2. It could never live up to the originals but stood out alone (apart from the sunglasses scene !!)
4) Fair point about the script, but pred 2 didn't have the best script but it was absolutly kik ass & everyone seems to love it now unlike when it was originally out.
5) I don't agree about Alien 5. I'm a bigger fan of the preds (aliens rocks though) & am glad i've seen them go toe to toe and hopefully AvP2 will be better. I'd prefer to see Pred 3 (minus John Cena !!!!) b4 alien 5 & regardless of what you "haters" of AvP think of the film, do you think your OTT criticism will help Alien 5 get made ??
6) Yeh, lets hope AvP2 rocks
7) Again, they should have shown the chestburster but the studio played it safe
Innerchaos
1) Not quite obsessed dude ! and i don't automatically like anything (lets use john carpenter as an example - one of my favourite directors - assault on precinct 13, Halloween, Escape from New York, the thing, they live - all classics but i didn't like some of his later films) i like what i like (& i know a turkey when i see one, catwoman anyone !) AvP isn't in Alien, Aliens, Predator or Pred 2's bracket, but i enjoyed it and am glad i did
2) As for doing no good for the franchise
a) We're having AvP2 aren't we
b) It generated all these heated debates !!
c) It generated interest and new interest in the franchise
The franchise was dead dude, it's just great to see it back on the map and lets hope some more classic entries to the franchise can be made.
3) As for this "fair weather fan" card ! WTF Just because you guys didn't like the film doesn't mean you're right and you get personal saying "if i was a true fan etc" I don't judge any of you on how much you like the franchises etc
For the record, again ! Predator and aliens are 2 of my all time favourite films and my expectations were as high as anyones and i was ready to be disappointed, but i enjoyed it, get over it !! & why am i justifying myself !!!
Stickaround !
Quote1) You really think an AvP film doesn't need CGI because previous films didn't use it before it was invented !! and sith was so cheap because lucas owns the company !! and they splashed £200mill on x-men last stand because the previous 2 movies made alot of money !!
I never said it doesnt need it, i said it was unnecessary, CGI was first used in 1973, 6 years before Alien came out, and Alien used CGI technology itself for the landing sequence. Im just saying that in my eyes i'd rather have a man in a suit as they used anyways, even though CGI was available, they didnt use it because, IMOi think that used creature suits looks better, as you can always tell what is CGI, and using actors instead not only means you get a better experience, but it draws you in more whereas with CGI, your thinking 'Thats clearly been made on a computer' no point in being scared of that. Which is exactly the same in Aliens, A3 and for the most part A:R.
Your saying X3 had a high budget because the previous films were succesful moneywise....all the Alien and Predator movies combined grossed more than $725,000,000 (i was unable to get the full figures for Pred 1 and 2) now if you look at the price inflation from 79 till now, thats over 1 Billion in revenue, so your saying that X3 got lots of money because it was succesful, the Alien quadrillogy is probably in the top 3 of the most successful franchies ever, up with Star Wars and more recently Lord of the Rings
You're disillusioned dude !!
1) CGI was first used EFFECTIVELY/b] in the abyss and then obviously T2. I'm not a huge fan when it's over done but thought it was used effectively in AvP and for the most part it was men in suits anyway !!!
2) You're wrong dude, as far as Predator is concerned (and this is for factual reasons, i love the films) These are the US grosses :
Predator $59mill
Pred 2 $28 mill
Why do you think there hadn't been a pred film for so long if it had been so successful ??
As for aliens
Alien $60mill (including re-release)
Aliens $81
Alien 3 $54
Alien R $47
As much as we love these films, they haven't ben critically or commercially successful since the 80's. You should know hollywood is a money making machine which takes fewer & fewer risks. AvP was a risk but was marketed very well & was certainly an improvement on Aliens resurrection and the cinema cut of alien 3.
For the record, in the US alone X-men earned the following
X-men $157
X2 $214
You see the difference !!!!
Stickaround !
The amount of income you got for each film is quite probably JUST the amount it go in the US, the amounts i got were the worldwide income recieved, as well as the fact that you are also forgetting how much the amounts would of inflated since the 80's.
And since when were we talking about how CGI had been used effectively, but are you saying that the CGI in Tron wasnt effective? Your saying the first photrealistic CGI character in Young Sherlock Holmes WASNT effective? You said that CGI wasnt used in Alien/Aliens because it hadnt been invented yet, when it had in fact been around a few years before Alien came out, i never said CGI had been used effectively before then, i was just proving you wrong in your comment of 'because previous films didn't use it before it was invented'
Are those numbers by the Alien movies the grosses?
Here are their world-wide grosses:
Alien: $185,000,000 (including re-release)
Aliens: $131,060,248
Alien 3: $159,773,600
Alien Resurrection: $161,295,658
Each 'Alien' movie, Alien re-release notwithstanding, has been financially more successful than the last on a global level.
As with the Predator movies, though, their world-wide totals aren't listed, so I wouldn't know.
Daschande
I'm not going to let these arguments roll on & on !!! It's not that serious !!
1) You obviously know more about CGI than me ! (T2 was the turning point for that exact type of technology not Tron or young sherlock holmes!!!)The point i was trying to make is you need CGI to create certain images men in suits / other technology can't effectively e.g. an alien jumping on a predators back. I agree you should use it as little as possible but as i've said in certain instances it works
Plus now you sound like you're a fan, make your mind up !
Daschande and Sil
Here are the facts
Regardless of how financially successful you think the franchises have been you're wrong !
1) Predator 2 didn't make money and wasn't well received, that's why there haven't been more films (shame a star, top director didn't take a chance)
2) Aliens made $180mill worldwide so if you factor in budgets, marketing etc the films have made less & less since then and Alien 3 and Alien R weren't well received either (if only the studio had left fincher alone >:() That's why the studio lost confidence, they like to make money !
So as i have said before, these are the reasons we were without the franchises for so long
& to finish the comparison for daschandes benefit ! x-mens worldwide grosses were as follows
x-men $295
X2 $406
X3 $458
& this is in the space of 6 years, there's just no comparison, if you cant understand why this is why X3 got a bigger budget than AvP then.......
I'm not here for arguments dudes ! Firstly, i just wanted to get my own opinion across about AvP as i think some of the criticism has been OTT. I didn't expect to get the volume of replies i have but there are reasons why the franchises stopped, no matter how much we love them.
But they're back and that's what matters
Stickaround !
Go look on imdb.com, as judging from what i just looked at on the site, and then looking at SiL's post that seems to be where he got his information from as well. Your also completely ignoring the fact of how the prcies will have inflated since then.
An average ticket in 1979, the year of Alien's release was $2.51, X3 was released in 06 where the average price is $6.48 now thats just under 3 times as much as the prices in '79. Now for arguments sake, lets multiply the income of Alien by 3... which comes to $555 million, nearly 100 million more than X3. So im pretty sure there wasnt really a question of how finacially succesful the movies are as they raked in huge amounts of cash. So if i was to adjust the prcies to allow price inflation, im pretty sure that the Guadrillogy would come out tops
Also, you say that i know more about CGI than you....i dont, i just research what im going to say, also from what ive seen and heard about the first few films that used CGI in the 90's all of them took inspiration from Young Sherlock Holmes, so while in the publics eyes T2 and The Abyss may have been the turning point for them, most of the directors who used the CGI, all cited YSH as their inspiration, and i think its mentioned somewhat on the Aliens special features disc in the quadrillogy, either that or on one of the recent star wars's commentaries
PS: There isnt an S in my name
You won't let it lie, will you dude !!
My box office info is from www.the-numbers.com
1) If you think YSH was a bigger influence than the abyss & T2 then that's upto you, but we're not talking about the first few films of the nineties, we're talking about the big picture. I do know what i'm talking about & T2 was the turning point because it was an amazing film & made lots of cash. I haven't seen YSH but i can't imagine it had anything as amazing as the T1000 & don't you think we,re getting off the point here ?!
You're initial point was that CGI is unnecessary in aliens and predator films & this simply isn't the case.
2) If you think Alien 3 was more successful than X3 you're wrong dude, that's like saying in 10 years time X3 made $1billion, it just doesn't work like that.
The fact of the matter, as i keep stating !!, is that predator 2, alien 3, alien r were commercially and critically unsucccessful WHEN THEY CAME OUT compared to what the studios expected, not what the ticket receipts would be worth in adjusted dollars in 10 - 15 years time, no one cares about that ! This is what greenlights the next movie, that's why X3 got such a big budget and AvP didn't.
If you're right and i'm wrong tell me why there was a 14 year gap for a pred film and 7 for an alien film ??
We can argue till the cows come home but if anyone out there thinks the alien films were bigger at the box office than the x-men franchise and that studios look into the future to adjusted dollars to gage a films success !!! then i'm all ears !!
Stickaround !
And those numbers are of the US gross only.
You've gotta look global. Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection were far better received outside of the US.
If you look at Alien 3's US gross only, it lost money for the studio. But in Europe, people loved the movie, and it ended up grossing double its budget outside of America. In all it had a profit of over $100,000,000! That's not a financial failure.
The reason we saw no more Alien movies was because they didn't have any good ideas - Whedon's Alien 5 script was rejected for various reasons, amongst them the drastic changes to Ripley - they felt it would cost too much, and for all intents and purposes that was it. That was the end of the series.
With Predator, you're right. Predator 2 wasn't very well received critically or financially, hence them not making any more movies.
However, your own site contradicts you!
You said that the reason we got no more movies was because the last few were critical and financial failures. Critically, AvP was a total flop, and when you add the production cost to the advertising cost, it made about four million more than Alien Resurrection did in terms of profit - Hell, it had a 67.59% drop-off in the first week, worse than any of the other movies. So, theoretically, seeing as AvP did so poorly all 'round, we shouldn't be getting a sequel.
Now the question is, why the hell am I arguing this?
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Could've been worse. Preds looked crap. Aliens as well.
I know, why has this argument gone on so long !!! Blame dachande !!
I agree, alien 3 and alien resurecction did much better worldwide than in the states but they made less money than aliens (which was shot on a much smaller budget). The point i was making to dachande was they weren't as successful as the x-men franchise, especially recently, and thats why AvP didnt get an X3 size budget.
I haven't contradicted myself (AvP made $171 worldwide which is amazing considering the flak it got !) the huge extra factor now other than box office on how profitable a film is is dvd sales, tv rights, merchandising etc. AvP will have made a healthy (probably better than expected) profit hence AvP2
Critically, your right, it got malled, more than it should have done, which as i've said before just doesn't help future projects.
Stickaround !
Quote2) I'd have to disagree, the queen for example was more impressive than in aliens (it's how cameron would have had it in aliens if he'd have had the technology daschande!!)
Yeah, I liked the Queen. The CGI aliens weren't that great for me though.
Quote3) I never said AvP was a great movie
What did you vote in this thread's poll out of interest?
QuoteI'm glad i took the positives out of it rather than all the negatives.
But for every positive thing in AvP, there's at least 100 negatives. How can you just ignore them?
QuoteThe team up scene is from a storyline in the original AvP comic
Hmm, so just because it was in a comic, that makes it okay?
QuoteYou guys seem to think i'm pro AvP & against the originals
I don't think you're against the originals. I just don't think you appreciate them.
QuoteIt's like liking T3 aswell as T1 & 2. It could never live up to the originals but stood out alone (apart from the sunglasses scene !!)
I agree. I liked T3 as a standalone film but it had some flaws. The guy who played John Connor was terrible and not to mention the silly one liners they made Arnie say. Still, the action was great.
Quote4) Fair point about the script, but pred 2 didn't have the best script but it was absolutly kik ass & everyone seems to love it now unlike when it was originally out.
Sure, Predator 2 script wasn't great but I like Predator 2. I got what I expected. Maybe I was naive when AvP was coming out but I was just expecting a serious film like the Alien series and I got the total opposite.
Quoteregardless of what you "haters" of AvP think of the film, do you think your OTT criticism will help Alien 5 get made ??
It's not really about what the fans think. It's whatever makes the most money. Reason, why A5 won't get made is that it would cost too much and they probably won't make a lot of profit.
Quote from: stickaround on Jan 21, 2007, 09:40:13 AM
You won't let it lie, will you dude !!
My box office info is from www.the-numbers.com
1) If you think YSH was a bigger influence than the abyss & T2 then that's upto you, but we're not talking about the first few films of the nineties, we're talking about the big picture. I do know what i'm talking about & T2 was the turning point because it was an amazing film & made lots of cash. I haven't seen YSH but i can't imagine it had anything as amazing as the T1000 & don't you think we,re getting off the point here ?!
You're initial point was that CGI is unnecessary in aliens and predator films & this simply isn't the case.
I said that YSH was a bigger influence to the FILMMAKERS, nowhere in my post did i say it was a bigger influence worldwide. Except that it proved to the filmmakers that you CAN do good looking things with CGI, and your just drifting from the point im trying to make, by completely ignoring most of the stuff i wrote.
Films such as T2 made more cash than Aliens because for one, it was released in over 1000 more screens than Aliens was.
Quote2) If you think Alien 3 was more successful than X3 you're wrong dude, that's like saying in 10 years time X3 made $1billion, it just doesn't work like that.
The fact of the matter, as i keep stating !!, is that predator 2, alien 3, alien r were commercially and critically unsucccessful WHEN THEY CAME OUT compared to what the studios expected, not what the ticket receipts would be worth in adjusted dollars in 10 - 15 years time, no one cares about that ! This is what greenlights the next movie, that's why X3 got such a big budget and AvP didn't.
If you're right and i'm wrong tell me why there was a 14 year gap for a pred film and 7 for an alien film ??
We can argue till the cows come home but if anyone out there thinks the alien films were bigger at the box office than the x-men franchise and that studios look into the future to adjusted dollars to gage a films success !!! then i'm all ears !!
Exactly where in my post did i say that Alien 3 was more sucesful than X3? Or that i said that the studios compare the inflation prcies in the future. I was just saying that Aliens WAS a more finacially succesful movie than any of the X-Men movies. I never mentioned the studios, just the fact that with the prices and income adjusted to todays market, that the films made more money than more recent films.
Saying that the two franchises werent finacially succesful is BS, if there two series werent successful why are there many, many novels, comics, games, figures etc? Surely you dont manufacture these things for an unsuccessful movie?
Hey darkness, i think we're getting on more common ground now dude !
More replies !
1) The aliens were a mix of good and bad i think but were better than alien 3 (which we all know had problems !) and alien resurrection (which again, had its good points)
2) I voted good
3) I don't ignore the negatives, but they didn't outweigh what i enjoyed :
a) Having lance henriksen back was cool
b) I thought the production design and look of the film was good
c) I enjoyed seeing the preds in an unfamiliar environment
d) I enjoyed the aliens & preds going toe to toe
e)The slo mo face hugger shot was cool
f) The queen fight was cool
g) Some nice nods to the other movies and comics
I just don't beleive absolutely slating the film and director gets us anywhere. It is what it is so lets move on to AvP2 !
We all get built up for films, especially ones that have been a long time coming. I'm fortunate that aswell as AvP, T3 turned out pretty good, land of the dead was great and the dawn of the dead remake was excelent. (& i've just got back from rocky balboa - it rocked, if only sly and arnie had teamed up in their peaks !!) If i come out feeling disappointed, say after the day after tomorrow for example,i will say so, ask my gf ! AvP does seem to be one of those films that people love or hate without much middle ground.
4) It doesn't make it ok, but having read the comics i apreciated the storyline. People who haven't seem to think this would never happen.
5) I appreciate them as much as any fan as my dvd collection will show, predator, aliens and predator 2 are among my all time favourites. I just don't see how enjoying AvP detracts from my love of the other films ?
6) I actually didn't mind Nick Stahl but some of the dialogue was dodgy !
7) Yeah, i think maybe fans who are more pro aliens, which is the bigger franchise, were more disappointed ? I just genuinely beleive it's a difficult concept to pull off, at least paul anderson had a go, what upsets me more is people like sigourney weaver saying it's a terrible idea full stop (alien resurrection didn't exactly do the franchise too many favours), why ?
8) It is about the money unless someone with any influence genuinely beleives in the idea (rocky balboa anyone !) A5 is a tough one, like you say the budget is a huge factor and where do you go with it ? I think pred 3 is more realistic.
Stickaround !
Dachande, dachande,dachande !
1)If you truly beleive that YSH was a bigger influence on filmmakers than T2 then that's your opinion, can we agree to disagree as i don't want this argument going any further !!!
Your the one who drifted and i got back to the original point with my last reply ! You beleive it's unnecessary to have CGI in aliens and predator films. I beleive this isn't the case.
2)Adjusting the figures is pointless (adjusted money is worthless, how can't you understand that at the time of their releases after aliens all the films under performed) the x-men movies have made alot more money plain and simple
& I didn't say they wern't successful (predator 2 wasn't though and if you use your inflation argument A4 made less than A3) just not as successful as x-men. You're the one who said the studio would finance AvP with as big a budget as X3 because of the money the previous films had made compared to X1 & 2. This is just nonsense
The franchises are extremely popular, hence the comics, figures etc but the box office since aliens hasn't been spectacular.
I guarantee anyone with the box office figures will agree that the x-men films have been far more successful and i like those films too !
Stickaround !
Quote2)Adjusting the figures is pointless (adjusted money is worthless, how can't you understand that at the time of their releases after aliens all the films under performed) the x-men movies have made alot more money plain and simple
Looking at the figures at their time of realease then, yes X-Men made more money. Except what im trying to point out, is that if any of the Aliens movies were realeased today at the same price as X Men, then they would make far more money
AvP had wasn't bad visually and the effects were generally good, but in every other respect it was awful. It didn't even work as a mindless action flick, because of the minimal amount of actual 'action'.
Anderson would make a great production designer or DoP - but keep him away from a typewriter.
Quote from: SM on Jan 28, 2007, 11:40:38 PM
Anderson would make a great production designer or DoP - but keep him away from a typewriter.
Yeah, that pretty much mirrors my opinion. I can't watch AvP all the way through - I get bored. I just skip to the one fight scene and am done.
Just watched the Celtic v Grid fight on our Hi-Def to see if it looked any better and the Alien noises! What the hell were they thinking?! It sounds nothing like the Aliens from the other films! >:(
I think that the movie mas good but it had things I really hate, i dont remmeber who said something about a hand to hand combat anyways the predator is strong and smart but those predator were rookies thats why they died, the alien is a perfect war machine, they born to kill, they dont have to practice and stuff, IM not saiing that the predators are weaker than the aliens, Im saying that its a 50, 50 chance for each one to win, in the case of the movie.
I was extremely dissapointed with this film :(. All the magic of the Alien and predator movies were completely missing. As silly as it might sound I think the movie would have been much better with an r rating. The blood and gore didn't make the Alien and Predator movies great but AVP seems dull without it. The story leaves alot to be desired and would have been more appropriate in the future and not on earth. Paul can make good films when he tries but, he just wasn't the right person for AVP. I recommend the Unrated Dvd as it preservers some of the violence that would have made AVP a much more scary and exciting film :-\
It think AVP was a big let down because use fans had high hopes for the film and when we saw that it was just a basic action horror flick we went nuts.
A basic action horror without much action...
Another thing I don't like about paul anderson is his fight scenes in avp, Resident Evil and it's sequel, he's moving the camera so fast and wildly you can't tell what's going on.
I have no idea why he does that with fight scenes ???
It's done convey frenetic speed. Not much point if you can't tll what's happening.
I was so disapointed and angry >:( when I read about Anderson's involvement in AvP >:(. I refuse to watch this film >:(. But it seems I'm not missing anything good :D.
Well as much as I'm dissapointed with it, it's still a good action film to pull out every now and then despite Anderson's constant errors in the movie ;D
See that the thing that baffles me - WHY is it a good action film? Lots of people forgive it's many faults and say "Well, it's still a good action film". It's got 2 fight set pieces. One goes for about three minutes they other for not much longer. Most of the rest is people wandering around or running around. How does that make a "good action film"?
Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Nov 22, 2006, 06:32:57 PM
I don't know about a thousand. Hand to hand certainly not. But I hated the way they were portrayed as well.
remember that those predators were unblooded and inexperienced and were supposed to endure those kind of situations!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 30, 2007, 10:42:24 PM
Just watched the Celtic v Grid fight on our Hi-Def to see if it looked any better and the Alien noises! What the hell were they thinking?! It sounds nothing like the Aliens from the other films! >:(
The sound is bad enough and the movement of the alien and pred during the fight is so false... :|
EDIT: I was just reading page 6, stickaround was pwnt + he wasnt even taking the evidence used against him into account, he kept saying the same thing over and over, I would quote, but there's just too much.
Wolfy
You'll have to forgive me as i'm new to these forums, what exactly does pwnt stand for ?
The reason i kept having to repeat myself on page 6 is that some people wouldn't accept that the x-men franchise has made more at the box office than the alien and pred films (hence the lower budget of AvP than X3) If you've got any of this so called evidence to prove otherwise i'd be fascinated to see it
well i liked the movie alot, i'm not saying it's perfect, but neither is alien nor predator (and i love those films too!)
as of right now its exactly even in the poll between great and hated it...
QuoteIt's got 2 fight set pieces. One goes for about three minutes they other for not much longer.
...i assume you're talking about celtic vs. grid and scar vs. queen?
but what about the preds vs. weyland's guards on the surface, lex killing an alien, scar plasma casting aliens, scar slicing the head of an alien, scar slicing a fachugger, etc.... (i think you get the point)
Quote from: stickaround on Feb 07, 2007, 07:29:52 PM
Wolfy
You'll have to forgive me as i'm new to these forums, what exactly does pwnt stand for ?
The reason i kept having to repeat myself on page 6 is that some people wouldn't accept that the x-men franchise has made more at the box office than the alien and pred films (hence the lower budget of AvP than X3) If you've got any of this so called evidence to prove otherwise i'd be fascinated to see it
You know Xmen and Avp are two completely different movies right? That they had a large diference in box office success is no surprise to me. I never expected AVP to do that great just when I saw the PG-13 rating. However it's still an decent film to watch every one and a while.
avpjunkie
I wasn't having a go at avp, i'm actually a fan of the movie and have had a hard time defending it on these forums ! Obviously x-men and avp are completely diferent franchises and have nothing in common.
Someone made the point that avp shouid have had the same budget as X3 because aliens and preds had made more money at the box office. This obviously isn't the case but the argument, if you check previous pages, went on and on !! and as you pointed out just hasn't any relevance !!
Here's to AvP2 being kikass
Stickaround !
I voted okay.
First time I saw it I realy had fun when the predz and aliens kicked butt. The flashbacks were realy realy cool as well. It's an action movie and delivers on that department but it failed on all the others. The human characters are lame and utter crap just waiting for death. There is no suspense, not one bit scary wich is the biggest dissapointment for me, The alien lifecycle is messed up realy bad and full of plot holes and the team up at the end was at times extremely silly like when the pred and girl run side by side like batman and robin does in those 2 awfull Schumacer sequels >:(
But the action realy made my day when I saw it so it's still O.K I guess :-\
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 05, 2006, 08:39:58 PM
It's a wierd film for me. On one viewing I enjoy it alot and an another I can't stand it. But generally, it was a very disappointing film. :'(
Yes it's strange,good movie but far away from the originals.
Quote...i assume you're talking about celtic vs. grid and scar vs. queen?
Yes.
Quotebut what about the preds vs. weyland's guards on the surface,
A brief slaughter - hardly a 'setpiece'.
Quotelex killing an alien,
With the spear or with the piton gun. Neither setpieces plus the spear scene was mindbogglingly stupid.
Quotescar plasma casting aliens,
Again a brief slaughter - see above.
Quotescar slicing the head of an alien,
Not a setpiece.[/quote]
Quotescar slicing a fachugger, etc....
Ditto.
Quote(i think you get the point)
Yes, but you don't seem to understand the concept of a setpiece.
Compare the short portions of AvP to the flooded kitchen/ liftwell in Resurrection, or bait and chase in Alien3 or hive attack in Aliens, or the entire last 45 minutes of Aliens. These are great setpieces. Not the nonsense served up in AvP that some people bafflingly call 'good action'.
All the stuff you mentioned would be lucky to take up 4 or 5 minutes. Anderson claims to have studied Alien and Aliens for the pacing of AvP, but he apparently learned nothing. He managed to inject tension into Event Horizon so it's odd that he failed utterly in this instance.
Very good point, actually now that I think about it, Pred/Alien fights only lasted a few minutes in the movies..
Good ;)
It could have been better.
Quote from: stickaround on Feb 07, 2007, 07:29:52 PM
Wolfy
You'll have to forgive me as i'm new to these forums, what exactly does pwnt stand for ?
pwned = owned typed
pwnt = short version of pwned
Still don't get it !!
Reading back and reading other topics i hope you understand why i've had to repeat myself at times !
Clickie. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owned)
Snap
It was a good film, i enjoyed it, but anderson was in a tight tight schedule so thats pretty good for that kinda schedule, but i hated the commentarys whith him , predatoids, the preds that hunt arnie and danny are children, and when he says theres no other avp fan bigger than him.
Quote from: Wolfy on Mar 05, 2007, 12:39:05 AM
pwned = owned typed
pwnt = short version of pwned
Can I be the one who says that I personally cannot stand such gamer jargon? I don't think it belongs in civilized conversation. Not only is it of questionable pronunciation, it's an eyesore.
I agree. I very rarely use 'pwned', but generally feel a bit dirty afterwards and have to go and wash...
pwnt = short version of pwned
there's actually a shorter version! :o
Personally when I first saw AVP I hated it.
It had great special effects and the aliens have never looked better but it just didn't feel like a horror/sci-fi film. It was just another action blockbuster that will never acheive the greatness of the alien or predator sagas
I wanted to like it so bad! I grew up with Aliens and Predator! There were a couple of cool parts. I liked the predator ships and pods... the flashbacks were cool.
But, some bad looking Predators, scetchy dialouge, under-avarage acting and running in slo-mo from fire did't help it!
oh on the demon within me are awakening!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In my own mind I qualify a lot of the design flaws. For AVP, I explain the weird face as the result of arctic temperatures affecting the predator whereas in the first two, it was all nice a gooey because the temperature was so hot. Ultimately it was just a lack of care taken in part by the director to ask for more moisture and realism in the skin between the mandibles.
I use the same method of thinking to explain why the aliens in A:Res roar . . . they're 2% human.
I was a little disappointed, the film is OK and has a lot of potential, but is sadly let down by the greed of Fox for putting the certification to a laughable level, especially considering the history of both the series. It was this precise reason why Robocop 3 failed, but gladly AvP didn't flop as badly and is still far watchable than R3 (in my opinion). I also wasn't too happy about the speed of the fight scenes as my eyes couldn't focus on what the hell as going on properly (this was at the cinema) but when I got the DVD the fight scenes were a lot more slowed down, but still quite bad.
I'm hoping that AvP2 should be better, but it's still going to carry the 15 certification....so I'm not holding my hopes up too high this time
Well, I was a bit annoyed at how ealsy a single alien drone, could kill two predators. But I felt better when the main predator, use his plasma cannon to bbq some aliens.
It has been awhile since I've seen any Alien or Predator film, im revisting the Alien franchise. first one up AVP and then Alien,Aliens ect. AVP wasn't that bad, it has a lot of pretty cool moments in it, the special effects are insane, especially when you see the makings of it and you see how hard it was to pull those effects off. The sets are pretty massive and looked very Alien-ish, which is a huge plus. The action scenes are well done just wish there was more, but I'll wait for AVP2. You gotta love Queen Vs Scar, that was pretty impressive! I got up loved the part where Scar jumps in the air and stamps the Queen in the head, great "hell yeah!" moment. The only problem I have with AVP was the cast, the cast was weak and had weak direction, but nothing too fatal, it's was still ok, and very entertaining.
I look at AVP and just say "ok....this is just a warm up of things to come," bring AVP2 now and lets see if this franchise is going to finally step it up, which I believe it will ;)
i was very disappointed with AVP, mainly cos i think the story's rubbish
That's pretty interesting ::)
i liked the story, i didn´t liked the fat preds and the fight secuences, and the chestbruster secuence (no blood) also: no blood at all, friendly predator, lex, so many things... :-\
Didn't like it because of the bulky preds, PWA made them look weak by having them get killed so easy, preds face looked like crap, aliens were real skinny, no blood or any kind of gore what so ever, was too short and a pred teaming up with a human is just wrong.
I liked this film when I saw it but that's because I didn't have high hopes for it even though I have been a alien and predator fan for 15 years since I was 8 years old. I personally think that people should never have high hopes for a film they want to see even if it looks good with trailers and programmes being broadcast on it. I always been convinced that even if the film was set in the future, had a good director, good story and script, good cast and many great battles between the two species and nice and violent it may have still had the same reaction as AVP was always going to be difficult to pull off.
I think the fan base is divided into 3 groups when it comes to this film. The 1st group likes it in some way, the secondd group didn't like for a few reasons while the third group has mixed feelings over it that likes the film in some ways but didn't like it in other ways and I think that falot of fans are in the third group because alot of fans do like it in some ways but didn't in other ways. With this film I thought the aliens looked great, liked the predator ship, visual effects and cgi looked good on the queen and some other scenes like the flasback scene, good fight scenes, a good story but it had bad dialogue and mostly bad. I always thought that paul anderson should have been a writer of the story but the script should have been written by someone who is actually good.
I think every fan should accept the fact that this film has a following just like alien 3 and alien resurrection.
alien3 is so much better than AVP
It was dissapointing to say the least. It came out the day before my birthday and I was totally thinking it was going to be the best movie out of both franchises. I knew I was wrong by the end of the first fight sceen. One alien should not be able to take on two predators like that. It was just silly. I felt the director was a bit biased towards the predator. And don't get me started on the pg-13 rating. The movie was weak sauce compared to other instalments in the alien and predator series.
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 01, 2006, 08:57:10 AM
What did you think of AvP?
personly as a female fan I was very pleased how it turned out, but the only things that bugged me was the way scar looked and the close up views in the fight, it was hard to see what was going on
I loved it when I first saw it but now I think its OK. The Aliens look great, (mabye not the Predators) it has a good story and alot of interesting ideas (humans worshiping Predators, team up with Lex and Scar) but it is poorly acted, is too short and obviously should have been R rated...
All together though, I'd give it 3/5.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Apr 27, 2007, 07:18:12 PM
alien3 is so much better than AVP
Of course! Not even a question ::)
I was very disappointed in the movie. There were a couple of good moments, I admit. But, the short length and the toned-down violence made this movie irredeemable.
However, it wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen, that title belongs to Uwe Boll's movies and Freddy Got Fingered.
Quote from: White Okami on May 01, 2007, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 01, 2006, 08:57:10 AM
What did you think of AvP?
personly as a female fan I was very pleased how it turned out, but the only things that bugged me was the way scar looked and the close up views in the fight, it was hard to see what was going on
I've noticed in alot of your posts you start with"as a female fan" or "because I'm a girl", lots of girls like the aliens and predator franchises it's not that uncommon.
Quote from: ~Jarrecko~ on May 05, 2007, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: White Okami on May 01, 2007, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 01, 2006, 08:57:10 AM
What did you think of AvP?
personly as a female fan I was very pleased how it turned out, but the only things that bugged me was the way scar looked and the close up views in the fight, it was hard to see what was going on
I've noticed in alot of your posts you start with"as a female fan" or "because I'm a girl", lots of girls like the aliens and predator franchises it's not that uncommon.
really in my school its seen as weird byt rhen again theres not much diversity in my town its mainly people who have lived here for meny generations
I'e be wary of broadcasting your gender around here. "Most of them haven't seen a woman in years".
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2007, 02:09:12 AM
I'e be wary of broadcasting your gender around here. "Most of them haven't seen a woman in years".
so? whats the problem?
Nevermind.
Quote from: SM on May 07, 2007, 02:15:11 AM
Nevermind.
oh alien 3.... sorry havent seen all the alien and pred movies yet just alien reserection part of pred 2 and all of avp seen it 6 times..
"I am telling you, its f*****g weird, out of all the people to survive that crash was a woman" ;D
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:17:54 AM
oh alien 3.... sorry havent seen all the alien and pred movies yet just alien reserection part of pred 2 and all of avp seen it 6 times..
So how the heck do you know the first Alien or Pred films aren't scary?
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2007, 02:25:01 AM
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:17:54 AM
oh alien 3.... sorry havent seen all the alien and pred movies yet just alien reserection part of pred 2 and all of avp seen it 6 times..
So how the heck do you know the first Alien or Pred films aren't scary?
nothing like creatures scare me just weird things like cars
See the movie first, then make claims...
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:29:38 AM
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Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:17:54 AM
oh alien 3.... sorry havent seen all the alien and pred movies yet just alien reserection part of pred 2 and all of avp seen it 6 times..
So how the heck do you know the first Alien or Pred films aren't scary?
nothing like creatures scare me just weird things like cars
i think you are a avp fan, not a predator or alien fan, watch all the movies: predator, predator2, alien, aliens, alien3, etc... ;)
Quote from: slipknotpredator on May 07, 2007, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:29:38 AM
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Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:17:54 AM
oh alien 3.... sorry havent seen all the alien and pred movies yet just alien reserection part of pred 2 and all of avp seen it 6 times..
So how the heck do you know the first Alien or Pred films aren't scary?
nothing like creatures scare me just weird things like cars
i think you are a avp fan, not a predator or alien fan, watch all the movies: predator, predator2, alien, aliens, alien3, etc... ;)
dude you dont know how much of a fan of the actuel preds and aliens... its disterbing
So see the movies already.
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: slipknotpredator on May 07, 2007, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:29:38 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2007, 02:25:01 AM
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:17:54 AM
oh alien 3.... sorry havent seen all the alien and pred movies yet just alien reserection part of pred 2 and all of avp seen it 6 times..
So how the heck do you know the first Alien or Pred films aren't scary?
nothing like creatures scare me just weird things like cars
i think you are a avp fan, not a predator or alien fan, watch all the movies: predator, predator2, alien, aliens, alien3, etc... ;)
dude you dont know how much of a fan of the actuel preds and aliens... its disterbing
::)
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: slipknotpredator on May 07, 2007, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:29:38 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2007, 02:25:01 AM
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:17:54 AM
oh alien 3.... sorry havent seen all the alien and pred movies yet just alien reserection part of pred 2 and all of avp seen it 6 times..
So how the heck do you know the first Alien or Pred films aren't scary?
nothing like creatures scare me just weird things like cars
i think you are a avp fan, not a predator or alien fan, watch all the movies: predator, predator2, alien, aliens, alien3, etc... ;)
dude you dont know how much of a fan of the actuel preds and aliens... its disterbing
I could barely understand what you said ??? Cars scare you? Are you talking about the movie or just cars in general? you don't know how much of a fan..? what?
Quote from: ~Jarrecko~ on May 07, 2007, 10:54:28 PM
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: slipknotpredator on May 07, 2007, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:29:38 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2007, 02:25:01 AM
Quote from: White Okami on May 07, 2007, 02:17:54 AM
oh alien 3.... sorry havent seen all the alien and pred movies yet just alien reserection part of pred 2 and all of avp seen it 6 times..
So how the heck do you know the first Alien or Pred films aren't scary?
nothing like creatures scare me just weird things like cars
i think you are a avp fan, not a predator or alien fan, watch all the movies: predator, predator2, alien, aliens, alien3, etc... ;)
dude you dont know how much of a fan of the actuel preds and aliens... its disterbing
I could barely understand what you said ??? Cars scare you? Are you talking about the movie or just cars in general? you don't know how much of a fan..? what?
cars in general scare me i got hit by a van when i was 6 on my bike
man this girl is a huge huge fan of predator yes i like predator he is the coolest guy to hit comics and books but this girl takes things to a new a whole new level.
Quote from: Jungle Hunter on May 08, 2007, 02:26:18 AM
man this girl is a huge huge fan of predator yes i like predator he is the coolest guy to hit comics and books but this girl takes things to a new a whole new level.
im not the first i found a group before me if anything im still new to this
Quote from: White Okami on May 08, 2007, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: Jungle Hunter on May 08, 2007, 02:26:18 AM
man this girl is a huge huge fan of predator yes i like predator he is the coolest guy to hit comics and books but this girl takes things to a new a whole new level.
im not the first i found a group before me if anything im still new to this
It is alway nice to see that these movies don't just attract boys but girls as well...
I just think that you need to see the first Pred and Alien movies to put AVP into perspective, White Okami, though just seeing it for the hell of it, with no strings attached, as a normal, regular movie, is one way to go... However, these are hardcore fans here, young lady, so you must tread carefully from here on...
Although I enjoyed AVP, I understand that for hardcore lien and Predator fans, AVP's departures leave a lot to be desired... I am one of them... but I saw AVP as just a crossover movie, not to be taken too seriously, unlike the Alien and Predator franchises, which are far more complex and broader... That is part of their appeal, anyway... ;)
True, one thing I hoped for in Avp was more well known actors. I mean this is the reinvention of one of hollywoods best sci fi franchises and they only had a few actually well known actors in the movie.
so...yeah. I skipped to the middle and watched it from there. Still very Meh! and always shall be. I just...I hope the Bro's give us better.
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Quote from: Jungle Hunter on May 08, 2007, 02:26:18 AM
man this girl is a huge huge fan of predator yes i like predator he is the coolest guy to hit comics and books but this girl takes things to a new a whole new level.
im not the first i found a group before me if anything im still new to this
It is alway nice to see that these movies don't just attract boys but girls as well...
I just think that you need to see the first Pred and Alien movies to put AVP into perspective, White Okami, though just seeing it for the hell of it, with no strings attached, as a normal, regular movie, is one way to go... However, these are hardcore fans here, young lady, so you must tread carefully from here on...
Although I enjoyed AVP, I understand that for hardcore lien and Predator fans, AVP's departures leave a lot to be desired... I am one of them... but I saw AVP as just a crossover movie, not to be taken too seriously, unlike the Alien and Predator franchises, which are far more complex and broader... That is part of their appeal, anyway... ;)
im trying to but the libaery was closed so i couldent get them I have to wait till tomarow then ill spend the day hopefully at a friends house watching all the pred and alien movies when were done we will most likey just ramble on about it for a few hours mabey even go to the mall and re in act some sceens and most likely get kicked out like when we re in acted a part form Nightmear on Elm street.
Yes I know im super weird!
Don't ever compare the Alien and Predator franchise to a slasher franchise.
she's not comparing, she's just saying what she will afterwards
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 19, 2007, 01:22:38 AM
she's not comparing, she's just saying what she will afterwards
Yah thanks ShadowPred and you Pvt. Hicks please dont bite my head off!
Sorry, I misread your post. :-X
Remember those little action snippets on the internet? Not only did it spoil gill's death, but it also ruined the movie. Those were the 2 action scenes in the whole film.
Though the movie was disapointing, i still liked it. It was a decent Alien vs Predator movie. It could've been better but it could have been worse :-\
i also thought it was dissapointing when i first watched it, after watching it a few times it bacame a okay for me...
There are things that i like and things that i hate about it, but there are really too much things that i think of could be sooo much better when i watch it that i really loose the fun of it while rewatching it sometimes.
I liked the whole film, except when the two predators were killed by just one alien. >:(
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 10, 2007, 01:59:29 AM
i also thought it was dissapointing when i first watched it, after watching it a few times it bacame a okay for me...
There are things that i like and things that i hate about it, but there are really too much things that i think of could be sooo much better when i watch it that i really loose the fun of it while rewatching it sometimes.
It was the opposite for me. I love it at first then after a few times i thought it was disapointing.
I think it was because i wanted an Alien vs Predator movie so bad that no matter how disapointing it was going to be, i still would have liked it.
Even though i really dislike the film i do admit i like to watch the making of/ behind the scenes stuff for AVP. (please don't hit me!)
No harm there, I've watched those a few times myself. Regardless of how bad the flick is, its always interesting to see behind the scenes. Especially laughing at Paul Anderson's interview with all the concept art behind him and he always exclaims how great the movie will be. Oh that Paul...
That decieving jackass...LOL
Quote from: fluxcap on Jun 17, 2007, 01:59:50 AM
No harm there, I've watched those a few times myself. Regardless of how bad the flick is, its always interesting to see behind the scenes. Especially laughing at Paul Anderson's interview with all the concept art behind him and he always exclaims how great the movie will be. Oh that Paul...
LOL aye, his comments are comical aren't they ;D But yes i do like the Behind the Scenes matrial. Thats about it.
the funniest bit about the behind the scenes stuff is when he's on about the pred on top of the pyramid and "the camerea pulls back and theres 1000s of aliens" and at that time you were like , shit this movies gona rock!!! then you find out its a 1 minute clip with an Italian dudes voice over...... :o
False advertisement.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 21, 2007, 02:21:37 AM
False advertisement.
We can SUE...if it is false advertisement.
It's not false advertising.
A trailer can show just about anything (including stuff not in the film, or footage shot especially for the trailer) and still not be done for false advertising.
A trailer is only a tool to make people aware that the film exists. (And to entice them to watch it, obviously.)
It is not a contract or a promise between the film and the filmgoing audience in any way.
i liked it but the way 2 predators get killed by 1 alien is sad and the way the predators are teenagers. Also there was a lot more aliens then there was people down there for facehuggers to get.
I thought it was good, I didn't like just a few parts from it.
The PG-13 cut is a complete bust. A train wreck of a film. Anderson and Fox can go to hell with this cut of the film.
But the unrated version did a better job of holding my attention. The added little moments helped it in some ways. And the added gore gave the kills a lot more impact.
I don't think that avp is a bad movie. But the two things i dont like are
A) one alien kills two predators
and
B) it takes half an hour before we see any aliens or predators (in full)
Quote from: BADBLOOD88 on Jun 30, 2007, 09:15:23 PM
B) IT TAKES HALF AN HOUR TO BEFORE WE SEE ANY ALIENS OR PREDATORS (IN FULL)
In my opinion they didn't really build up any of the creatures: the queen alien is the first alien you see, the predators are seen uncloaked in their first battle with the guys on the surface, ect...
You know...I liked AVP overall, no probs, except the lack of actual Alien vs Predator. And thats where a lot of the problems stem from...Paul Anderson, if you listen to him talk about aliens (and he does, A LOT) its apparent what happened here..Anderson didn't WANT to make Alien vs Predator, he WANTED to make his own Alien film. There just happen to be predators in it...AVP had a biased director. And I'm not talking about aliens beating predators, I'm talking about Aliens and the alien style movie being favored, instead of focusing on the bringing of our favorite creatures together. Its more like Alien 5.
Damn straight...and also judging by how some fans here view AVP2 it might as well be called Predator 3.
Took 'em basically an hour to show the aliens, and the movie is 85 minutes.
How many times do I have to say this...it was 87 minutes.
and I think it was about 40 something minutes into the movie before both creatures were shown at the same time.
I was disappointed when I first saw the brief inside of the predator ship, I wanted it to be like how it was in predator 2, all dark, orange, misty with some trophies, it had technology we never saw before but the inside looked to much like a human construction and not that of the predators, I know they might have been a different clan from the predators in predator 2 but I don't think there style and construction would deferrer that much.
Overall I liked AVP but it was the stupid like unavoidable mistakes that ruined what could have been a great film, oh well at least we got ALIENS VS. PREDATOR to look forward to.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 10, 2007, 12:48:11 AM
How many times do I have to say this...it was 87 minutes.
and I think it was about 40 something minutes into the movie before both creatures were shown at the same time.
At least 50 minutes.
I think that from the books, and comics there was such a rich vein to tap, that if done correctly there could, and would've been a further dimension to the AvP universe. Instead this tosser only nods to the ooman character, and has her running about in the antartic in a long sleeve t-shirt, hyperbole as well as hypothermia! I love AvP stuff, but the movie blew goats.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 10, 2007, 12:48:11 AM
How many times do I have to say this...it was 87 minutes.
and I think it was about 40 something minutes into the movie before both creatures were shown at the same time.
For a film that short I kept yawning a lot. ;)
How many minutes of Credits did the film have?
Quote from: SMJIts more like Alien 5.
I saw it more of an Alien prequel.
but the hole movie was about predators. it never showed the aliens. the show the predators so much that it was pretty much a crappy predator movie with aliens in it. So if the AVP2 ends up being another Predator movie. I'am going to be very very pissed.
Ok you guys can continue b*tching about how AVP was a alien movie now.
It just makes a good entertainment movie, but I also saw it as a Predator 3, so aye :P.
The film would've been better in a jungle setting, the temple is located within a valley in the Amazon, that would've made it better, and just needed more gore, and the predators need to last longer, and neither should've been seen for atleast an hour, and the movie should've also been 2 hours.
I agree with that one. The movie is only 87 minutes long? Think what could have fit in another 33 minutes of movie time! 8)
Weyland should have also survived, because how would W-I/W-Y become so interested in the Xenomorph. I hope this would be explained in Aliens vs Predator.
Quote from: WisePredator on Jul 14, 2007, 09:00:14 PM
Weyland should have also survived, because how would W-I/W-Y become so interested in the Xenomorph. I hope this would be explained in Aliens vs Predator.
Maybe that's why they model bishop after him. To remember him.
Quote from: WisePredator on Jul 14, 2007, 06:56:33 PM
It just makes a good entertainment movie, but I also saw it as a Predator 3, so aye :P.
The film would've been better in a jungle setting, the temple is located within a valley in the Amazon, that would've made it better, and just needed more gore, and the predators need to last longer, and neither should've been seen for atleast an hour, and the movie should've also been 2 hours.
That would be the prefect AVP movie. but if there isn't aliens or predators for a hour they would have to have good acting.
QuoteWeyland should have also survived, because how would W-I/W-Y become so interested in the Xenomorph. I hope this would be explained in Aliens vs Predator.
This has been explained in Alien, Aliens and Alien3.
Good flicks. Check 'em out.
Changed my mind slightly:
Pros - I loved some of the Predator weapons, the amour was ok. I also loved the Predator masks. I thought the Aliens were pretty cool. The effects were brilliant. I though the scene where the Predator spirals through the air and jabs the Queen was awesome. I thought the Celtic vs Alien fight looked quite cool. I liked the design of the shoulder cannons, but they should be smaller.
Cons - Hated the way that the first Predator's got killed so easily (though Scar did survive to the end). Bad acting in some places. Lex just doesn't look like she could fight along side a Predator. Paul should have chosen Milla J or something. Hated the Predator faces. Wasn't keen on the new Predator thermal vision (though I liked the alien vision).
2.5 out of 5
Thing is, minus a few bits, AvP would have been alright (not great - not a 5/5 like the first 3 alien films and the Pred film - P2 being 4/5), it could have in my opinion got 3/5, but with all the crap its 2.5/3 out of 5 (AR being 1/5).
About Milla J playing Lex, I heard originally that was the plan, but her filming Resident Evil 2 supposedly got in the way of that.
me personally, overall, AVP was dissapointing
Pros - I liked the look of the predator masks, the Celtic mask was pretty impressive, and the Scar mask was a cool design reminiscent of the original Predator. I liked the Predator shuriken as opposed to the disc, which just looked awkward in P2. I loved the insane spinning stab move made by Scar toward the queen at the end. IMO, the aliens looked perfectly acceptable. The CGI was very well done, for this budget of a film, and the production design and what not is likeable, the film does look good, and is fun to watch, to look at, the one real alien vs predator fight in the film was great, the upper hand of who was attacking and who was defending switching constantly kept me on my toes the first time watching it.
Cons - The predators were too bulky, and wore too much armor, the design change in the style of the ship and armor went too stereotypical sci-fi, and not close enough to the look and feel of the originals. What seems to be the concept of bigger is better that was played with virtually all of the predator weapons was a dumb thing to do. The Predator face design is dreadful to look at. The alien gestation and maturing time is unacceptably shortened, the alien blood looks far too green in some cases, opposed to mustard coloured as it should be. The aliens made their donkey face too much. There were not enough battle scenes, the first 2 predators didn't last long enough, and Gill was taken out to easily. The team up was executed pretty poorly, and lex saved Scar too many times. The setting was a bad idea. There is no where near enough amount of gore or character development, even in the unrated cut, which helps a bit, but ultimately doesn't do too much for the film. The predator vision was way off. There were far too many aliens in comparison to how many human hosts there were to impregnate. The team up diminished the character of the predator, as well as the removing of the bomb. The film tried to be a bit to heavy on plot and mythology. The acting was ok, but could have been so much better. The film also has a few gaps in logic that irked me. The film should have also been set in the future, on another planet. There were far too many homages to other films, a few is ok, but this was far too much.
all in all, as a film of its own, its a pretty decent film, but as a film associated with these two franchises, it dissapoints.
Thought the fight between Grid and The Celtic predator was good, best thing about the fil though
Overall a very disapointing film.
Was very happy though to even see a predator on the big screen again. Saw this movie 5 times in the theater just because i was so amped about seeing new footage of predators.
pros - The predators in the film looked good, great masks/wrist blades were very kewl. The first time a "SpearSlayer" Predator has graced the big screen, even if he did do f**k all and get owned like a bitch before he did anything at all. The Predator ship IMO looked very good. The fact the predators didnt have plasma casters at first and had to work for the honor of obtaining one on thier blooding was a good idea, but did anyone notice or think where the next set of unblooded preds suppose to get thiers cause i didnt see any new cannons placed in that thing, did you? ;D Thought the vision for tracking footprints was a kewl idea (but not a good replacement for all vision modes) The Pred queen fight was well done, loved the air borne spear to the head, only true representation of a yautjas agility in the entire film IMO. Scar killing the chestburster with his hands was awesome! Aliens looked great as well! The Alien who usess his tail to spray acid is badass!
cons - Wow i could on all day here! POOR ACTING!! Predators getting owned like gimps to one Alien. The fact the best shot of the movie was in the trailer fooling you into thinking the entire movie would be like that one shot ( Mass Aliens swarming a few Predators ontop on of the pyrimid ) or somthing simular to that shot, was a let down. I was expecting to see alot of action and fighting, to the degree of a actual war, and we see one Alien pwning Pred noobs for the first 40 minutes of the film. Lack of CGI! It isnt 1989 anymore, more CGI Aliens/Pred shots would have made for WAY better action, some things you just cant do IRL! Think about two of the best shots in the movie,.. Pred using caster vs mass CGI alien, CGI aliens crawling on queen to set it free with its own blood, CGI alien being whirlwinded by predator into stone pillars (Awesome!) CGI predator flying through air to spear queen in head(Awesome!) You get the idea! No excuse for not having more CGI with that kind of budget and dont let the "We wanted to keep true to the orignials" bullshit fool you! Paul W.S. Anderson! <-- CON
The new "Predator Disc" was stupid. Predator 2 disc ftw. A Yautja fighting alongside a Ooman? Youre kidding right?...
Did i mention POOR ACTING!! "Hunters Moon" (Long pause) "hhahaahah!" Uhh,.. okay?
Complete LACK of character development besides the Scotish guy from "Snatch" , who was the only true acting talent in this movie (Save Waylend of course!) Who is the B list actor that Paul Anderson used in RE that was also in this film? he wasnt bad either :P Dood i could go on all day..
Thank your lucky stars Mila Jovovich WASNT the main character or you would have seen her doing LEAPING SIDE KICKS to aliens left right and center. HOT girl, but thats about it.
Ive rambled long enough..
Die with honor!
AVP. this time it's SHIT! spoof of ALIENS quote. :D
although i love it but i wanna ask a something...
at the end the queen use her tail to kill scar predator and it has a hole on his body...
How come the predalien in scar predator have not died ???
Predalien should die by the tail also.
^ Well, Paul Anderson's excuse was "It actually stabbed him in the stomach, not the chest".
Quote from: darkbladepred on Aug 20, 2007, 11:30:42 AM
^ Well, Paul Anderson's excuse was "It actually stabbed him in the stomach, not the chest".
He did, if you look closely you could tell he was stabbed in the stomach and not in the chest
As i said in another thread......"Open your eyes people!" :o
Pros: 1.) Shuriken was a neat addition to the pred's arsenal. 2.) Anderson kept Mila J. out of it. I hate her as an actress. She sucks so effing bad.
Cons. 1.) The effin team-up between Pred and human. Dammit, Anderson. 2.) Anderson managed to find the one actress in the world worse than Mila J. 3.) Telling us that Preds Built the pyramids. Dammit. You cant add things to the Predator/Alien canon that contradict things in real life. We all know that the preds had nothing to do with building the pyramids. Don't make up something that retarded. 4.) Long Alien tail. You know what I'm talking about. 5.) Lex using The Alien's carapce as armor and spear. I was willing to forgive everything up until that point.
Also, the grid alien was just too....different.... from the rest of them. Aliens are supposed to all be the same. One isnt supposed to be smarter/better fighter than all the rest.
As a stand alone movie, I would give this movie a 4.5/10
However, since it was combining two well-established franchises and didn't do either one justice, I have to lower it to a an even 4/10.
Here's my rankings on the other films in the order I prefer them:
Aliens: 9.5/10
Alien: 9/10
Predator 2: 8/10
Predator: 8/10 (Would be a 9, except I hated the fact that Arnold was almost unharmed after being shot in the shoulder)
Alien 3: 6.5/10
AVP: 4/10
Alien Res: 1.5/10
Quote from: darkbladepred on Aug 20, 2007, 11:30:42 AM
^ Well, Paul Anderson's excuse was "It actually stabbed him in the stomach, not the chest".
That always bugged me, I apologize if this has been discussed before, but, Aliens don't kill creatures that are carrying an alien Embryo right? As in Alien 3 the creature didn't killed Ripley.
So why would the Queen kill risk killing the last alien embryo?
Any thoughts?
We've had this before, its because the Predator is showing hostility, towards the queen. Not only that, the alien inside Scar, its expendable, as long as the hive, remains fine. The alien didnt kill Ripley, because there was a QUEEN inside, Queens are slightly more important than regular aliens
That;s why the people that are somewhat new, should read other old threads.
Quote from: Dachande on Aug 22, 2007, 01:39:09 AM
We've had this before, its because the Predator is showing hostility, towards the queen. Not only that, the alien inside Scar, its expendable, as long as the hive, remains fine. The alien didnt kill Ripley, because there was a QUEEN inside, Queens are slightly more important than regular aliens
Oh Ok, that actually makes sense, thanks a lot!
Quote from: The Joker on Aug 22, 2007, 01:55:51 AM
That;s why the people that are somewhat new, should read other old threads.
;D ;D Ha ha ha, I actually joined the forum before you did, it's just that I didn't post often and obviously I don't read every post on long threads! That's why I apologized before ;)
i liked it, but there was no actian, i didnt like how they changed the predator ship, or that 1 alien took out 2 preds, the cloak looked way better but they decloaked once hit:( but it was alright i hope the next one makes up for it
AvP is my favorite movie so far. Personally I think there should have been more scenes with the predators and xenomorphs rather than the humans. Predators/Xenomorphs > humans. ;D
Essentially a HUGE letdown. This film had potential. 2 franchises were to be commemorated here in the culmination of both sagas and... we get that. The acting was bad, the cast was weak, and the pacing was very bad. The only positives i can give it was the superficial: the action was good, the sfx, the new gadgets. The temple concept was good. Not enough to sustain an entire film. Try harder next time. Sorry.
For those of you who fast forward to 2 or 3 parts (the 1 on 1 battle, the history flashback, the ending battle), im with you. I got the dvd because i couldnt fathom someone screwing up so bad. Daweism you were right lol.
"Hated it"
Like many of you I found this to be an enormous letdown. The good things that come in mind: setting was nice, Alien looked OK but not great, music was rather nice, sets, some new weapons of the Predator, VFX of the spaceship, Lance Henriksen.
The bad things: Paul W.S. Anderson, rest of the cast sucked --> Beisdes Colin Salmon and Lance Henriksen, team-up between human and Predator, slo-mo facehugging, Queen acts like a T-rex, Design of the Predators, 2 out of 3 preds die in like 5 minutes between eachother, boring character development,... . It's to much stuff... I'm still kicking myself everyday because I actually believed he could make this work. The teasers and trailers looked nice, but when I saw the movie I was yelled a big f**king "WAS THIS IT!?" >:( It's not even worth the VS. in between the 2 monsters.
Good film, to many mistakes, still cannon though.
I enjoyed the film, from the get-go I never expected it to be the next Aliens of Predator film.. I saw it as a videogame movie to be honest since I was a fan of the game (never got into the comics). I went in with low expectations and came out satisfied. Anderson is a competent director and I think he did an okay job with the movie. It had its (many) flaws, and it doesn't compare to the classics (Predator 1 & 2, Alien, and Aliens) but I sure as hell enjoyed more than the trainwrecks that were Alien 3 and 4.
I voted "Good" because it entertained me.
I think Anderson tried to make AVP like the 1st alien and predator film by not showing the creatures until later in the film and by keeping them in the shadows, I can understand what he tried to do but it doesn't work for a film like AVP, he would have been better making an alien or predator film, it might have worked better that way :-\
I hated Alien vs. Predator. While I thought the general skeleton of the plot outline was good, the plot as a whole was a nightmare. The acting was between poor and B-movie (in a very negative way), the effects seemed half-done and cruddy, and there were so many 'WTF moments' that I got to the point where my brain was numbed entirely to some of this stuff. It's amazing, really- not only is this a bad movie overall, but it's also more painful to watch than A:R. I didn't think that was possible. Overall, this was an excellent concept that got handed to the wrong people.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Aug 26, 2007, 06:46:01 AM
I hated Alien vs. Predator. While I thought the general skeleton of the plot outline was good, the plot as a whole was a nightmare. The acting was between poor and B-movie (in a very negative way), the effects seemed half-done and cruddy, and there were so many 'WTF moments' that I got to the point where my brain was numbed entirely to some of this stuff. It's amazing, really- not only is this a bad movie overall, but it's also more painful to watch than A:R. I didn't think that was possible. Overall, this was an excellent concept that got handed to the wrong people.
bingo.
AVP, ass + ass = one major shit hole!
Good.
When i first saw it in theaters i was like "wow, so coo!" But now is a little distant from that! It's an enjoyable movie but not as good as i wanted it to be!
Voted disappointing.
Funniest line in the movie : "It's all starting to make sense." I laughed so hard. :D
Or how about "laugh it up miller, laugh it up" ugh.
Yeah, let's face it, the dialogue was extremely cheesy and bad overall. Also, the blonde French chick would have been a better lead actress, she looked cool and more believable as an action hero.
The predators got bitched around in this movie, I mean come on, a predator teaming up with a human? thats just stupid, The Predator would've saw the woman as worthy prey and kill her on the spot!! absolute disgrace.
They got the team-up idea from the novel "Prey", but it was much beleivable in the book.
Quote from: Karl on Aug 29, 2007, 02:34:38 PM
They got the team-up idea from the novel "Prey", but it was much beleivable in the book.
...which was in turn based on the first AVP comic series, which was in turn the first time the concept of teaming Aliens and Predators ever occurred. :)
More believable because why? Because the human nursed the Predator back to health first?
I know the movie was based on the books and comics but, I HATED the buddie Pred/human idea. Preds hunt people..the way they portrayed the pred/human relationship in AVP it almost looked like they were falling in love. ::)
Did not like the story or characters very much, HATED the Predator and Human team up. The Predators and Aliens were the main reason I watched it. I thought it was okay but I'd rather watch Aliens then AVP 1. Hopefully Requiem won't be the same.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Aug 29, 2007, 02:57:37 PM
Quote from: Karl on Aug 29, 2007, 02:34:38 PM
They got the team-up idea from the novel "Prey", but it was much beleivable in the book.
...which was in turn based on the first AVP comic series, which was in turn the first time the concept of teaming Aliens and Predators ever occurred. :)
More believable because why? Because the human nursed the Predator back to health first?
I bought the AvP omibus comic book last week (along with the Alien omibus and Predator omibus) and I saw the similarities between the first comic and the AvP film. It shows that just because something looks good in the comic book doesn't mean it will work on film unless of course you can make it beleivable. The only thing strange is in another AvP comic where that character was on a predator ship as a member of the crew.
I remember when i saw the movie back in 2004, it was ok. The movie was to short and the battles where to short and the acting was bad.
I give it a 5/10.
The team-up worked better in the first AVP comic & novel because Machiko indeed might have proven herself worhty to (ugh what waPredator's name again?)s the the Predator. At least she kicked Alien ass and saved the Pred's life. What did Lex do? She accidentally killed an Alien. Now that was just weak. I know some people really bash the comics & novels but I abseloulty love them (most of them anyway).
Dissapiontment.
What I liked about this movie:
Grid alien spearing Gill predator and tossing him away like a rag doll.
Grid and Celtic beating the hell out of eachother.
What I didn't like about this movie:
The fact that it was inspired mostly by the comics, which causes conflict with previous movies in terms of canon.
Just for fun guys and I would like to see how fans think of it 3 years on. ;D
I voted Good but needed bad language and more gore.
It wasn't a GREAT movie, I would say good. I liked the concept/story but it should have been longer and with better dialogue here and there. The predator's face was awful!
The VFX AND SFX were great!
I f**king hated it at 1st when I saw it I was like wow this is cool then 2 days later I was almost in tears cause it was sooooooooooo bad :'( stauses if you can hear me don't f**k this one up! :-\ for a "fanboy" who directed it he surtintly have the whole "ultimate faceoff" thing down
here are my problems
1 to much armour on the pred
2 shitty acting
3 THE f**kING TEAM UP :'( :'( :'(
4 slo-mo scenes
5 a drunken camera crew with a shakey camera
6 oh your going to love this I quote from anderson "I always hated the predator disk it reminds me of a frisbee/This is going to be the ultimate alien movie (moments later) with predators in it :-X/the predators always looked like really fake looking guys in stunt suits so did the aliens so I added extra armour to the predators cause it would be a cool addition the predators arsonal also I thought it would be a great Idea to extend the wristblades cause they where always whimpy to me" need I say more?
7 anything in number six
8 a f**king pyromid COME ON! you might as well but a beatle and an aunt in a glass jar and see who wins!
9 the new "ripley" was the biggest pile of hourse shit ever for a replacement listen to the commentary she doesn't know what the f**k she is doing in the movie
they changed the thermal vision to an orange background
thats all I can think of for now
I have so many reasons, I vote FAILED!!
Sure it has its ups & downs, My main Hatred is the New ripley, i mean come she sucks
She doesn't even deserve the title of NEW RIPLEY
Just needed:
R rating
A bit more fighting.
besides thoes 2 things, I thought it was a film worth buying on DVD and watching more then once.
We already have a thread for this.
It was disapointing.
My thoughts,
Importantly what Anderson did to the Predator's design. It wasn't a Predator at all. It didn't even have Thermal Vision. He didn't give a shit to have the classic thermal vision + sound effects to the Predators. Its not too big of a thing but could he atleast have something related to the original Predators. The rediculous Wristblades... I know their fighting Aliens but the Wristblade was designed to stab and gut prey. They should have just made a completely different weapon for the Aliens... Like the "side arm blades" that Chopper never used. I also wish they used a more Original Alien design instead of re-using the Alien Resurection drones.
Another thing is that this was AvP... The film these two legendary deadly creatures meet on screen for the first time and that moment is seconds away from the first Predator dying... Thats Anderson being bias. Liking the Aliens more than the Predator. He could at least make both fans happy and make it an actual battle instead of an instant kill. That made me want to get up and walk away from the theater. To ferther empathize Anderson being bias is the special features. All he talked about was Aliens. He stated he was so excited to make an Alien movie. To him it was an Alien movie with Predators in it. Don't get me wrong, I've been a massive Alien fan since I was young but I feel his bias ruined the movie. There wasn't much glory for the Predators in the film.
The incredibly boring first half of the movie. Some of it was interesting for the first time but never to watch again. The actors were so generic and the film's pace. For example how Charles Wayland's informer was everywhere. It shows the lack of effort he could have done to make more interesting ways to bringing all the characters together. I couldn't stand the "roughnecks" characters. I enjoyed the Predator scene when they slaughtered them.
A minor bother is how the man (forget the character's name) taunted the Alien by calling him an "Ugly son of a bitch!" which was stolen from the Predator movie. Just bothered me.
Another minor bother is how Scar aproached Wayland, Lex, and Sebatian. (spelling?)
And one huge screw up, Predators are attracted to heat and violense... What are they doing in Antartica? I know its the teenager's blooding but it breaks the Predator's way of hunting.
And pinned it to boot. Merge please?
Only things I liked about avp
seem balanced in fights
aliens look(yea I know most people of the original design wont like it)
why I hated it
pretty much everything else is selfexplanatory and has been done over a million times.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Sep 01, 2007, 03:29:59 PM
We already have a thread for this.
yeah i tryed to delete it when i noticed.
The movie was realy...i mean REALY stupid and have to do nothink with the classics!
I honestly don't think AvP was as awful as people say it was, or deserves half of what it gets. The movie is incredibly lackluster and disappointing though. It fell short, by a lot, no question.
The worst thing is seeing still of cut scenes and hearing how the original screenplay went (the one with 5 preds), and seeing how much more it could have been. Then theres the usual complaints, the bulky preds rather than the slim athletic ones from the pred movies. Alien sounds (the piq squeals), 'team-up' was cheesy (maybe if it was shot/directed better it wouldn't have been so bad). the list goes on.
it wasn't the atrocity its made out to be though. IMHO
The film is truly groundbreaking in that its caused so much disappointment in people all over the world. Not only do the fans hate it, but even general movie goers hate it, now that is an accomplishment.
I loved it at first but after rewatching the alien films I realised why people hate it so much and I've become one of those people. hopefully the new one will be good
I voted for "failed"
-bad acting
-I hate Lex...
-Predators are stupid wrestlers in this film....
-shitty Predator visions
-Predator's face....
-Grid's tale :)
-Stupid story....
-Weyland?? huh?
-Queen is moving like crazy tyrranosaurus
-oh I almost forgot on that stupid Lex-Scar love story.... >:(
Anyways, I look at this film sometimes.. :) (dunno exactly why :D)
Quote from: solid__snake on Sep 03, 2007, 07:19:36 PM
I voted for "failed"
-bad acting
-I hate Lex...
-Predators are stupid wrestlers in this film....
-shitty Predator visions
-Predator's face....
-Grid's tale :)
-Stupid story....
-Weyland?? huh?
-Queen is moving like crazy tyrranosaurus
-oh I almost forgot on that stupid Lex-Scar love story.... >:(
Anyways, I look at this film sometimes.. :) (dunno exactly why :D)
Few of the reasons why this movie sucks
I agree that the orange thermal vision is pretty boring to look at but the green vision mode is lovely. ^_^ For some reason it just feels really easy on the eyes.
when i first watched avp i loved it because of the fact that there was aliens and predators fighting in it, then when i watched it again and again it is like what a rookie director could have done with the film because it takes the fact that predators can work with humans a bit crazy!
When i heart about this Movie i thougt great but when i saw it i was dissepointet. The biggest $%§% was that one one :o Alien kill two two :o Predators and a predator who is so great how the celtic Predator ???
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i hated it because the figths were like 2 mins long i expected way more action, both of these creatures have badass back rounds and anderson made them look like a baby could take them out >:(
I'm not a pred fanboy as much as I am an Alien Fanboy, but I know that as cool as Aliens are, one can not take out a Predator. And, the grid should have died when Celtic slammed grids head into the wall!!!
I liked AvP I just wish he didnt kill off the 2 Preds so fast and I wish there was more fights.
the film did'nt deliver on any front, it was dissapointing to say the least. :'(
I think we can all agree that the worse part was when scar teamed up with lex...thats when i walked out of the theatre...jesus that was horrible..damn, i mean here the directors of P1 and P2 work so incredibly hard to make these things look fierce as hell and Anderson made them look like cowards with no self respect that were basically useless..
Quote from: Adicts5321 on Sep 22, 2007, 09:37:08 PM
I think we can all agree that the worse part was when scar teamed up with lex...thats when i walked out of the theatre...jesus that was horrible..damn, i mean here the directors of P1 and P2 work so incredibly hard to make these things look fierce as hell and Anderson made them look like cowards with no self respect that were basically useless..
Anderson liked the alien franchise more obviously. which is where the Bros. Strause come in to counter that.
Disappointing is the perfect choise.Anderson make it more like kids movie.
That's why i say AVPR will be 100 times better becose it shows everythink that we didnt see in AVP
Quote from: vortep on Sep 22, 2007, 11:51:03 PM
Disappointing is the perfect choise.Anderson make it more like kids movie.
Aye. Anderson has the tendency to do that with his movies that have the potential to be good :P
When I first saw it it was my first Alien/Predator film and second "Horror" (The first was the entertaining Van Helsing". When I walked out of the theaters I lived it. I was 10. I asked my father what he thought and said "... it was OK."
I then saw the other aliens and predators. Yesterday, I asked my dad for his honest oppinion and he said "It was a bit disappointing."
there needs a lot more to avp really
At first i'm sorry for my bad english ^^ ( belgium in here :D)
Fan of aliens and predator, this movie sux soo bad , the predator seems to be nothing without there shoulders-gun ... come on they're suppose to be hunters... where 's the sparegun :p like in the gamae huhu.
and this end , man , the predator had a view that allows him to see aliens in the body of someone, and the others predators didn't even took a look at their dead friend ,i know it's a crazy idea..
let us hope that requiem will take AvP on the top !)
I voted Disappointing
(btw,I'm from Belgium too :P )
it was okay
storyline was a bit ridculous
I mean lost pyramids in the antarctic
I liked the fight with grid alien against celtic predator
i prefer aliens to predators so i was happy that the alien won
I think requiem will be a lot better (hopefully)
Quote from: chriso191 on Sep 30, 2007, 04:16:37 PM
I think requiem will be a lot better (hopefully)
I'm shure it will be ;)
I would give the movie a 2 out of 4 star rating. I liked the story just fine and thought it was very good. I know some people claimed it wasn't very believable to find a Pyramid beneath the ice but how believable is it to stubble across Aliens + Predators anyways. I loved all the visual effects for the movie and thought they were great. The whole PG-13 thing didn't even bother me so much either. I guess the main complaint would be that in a movie titled Alien vs Predator there wasn't a whole lot of Aliens fighting Predators. If they added say 10-20 mins of just actual fight scenes (+ had the 2 Predators kill some Aliens before dying) and maybe a few more scenes showing the terror of the humans after being separated and trapped in the tunnels then it would have been, in my mind, at least a 3 star movie.
The new movie promises a lot of actual Aliens fighting Predators and a lot of Gore and that's all fine and well but the story needs to hold up. Does letting Aliens loose in modern day Colorado really fit with the Alien timeline?
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Oct 01, 2007, 04:35:19 PM
Does letting Aliens loose in modern day Colorado really fit with the Alien timeline?
No... :P
I voted for disappointment.
I mean, that film was a PG-13 action flick with Aliens and Predator in it. Apart from being "pro Alien", apart from thermal vision changes and all that shit, AVP was just IMMATURE.
Yeah, just IMMATURE.
Whale bones, pyramid experts and papercuts.
The film wasn't entirely pro-Alien. True the one Alien did kill those two Predators, which is totally, in my opinion, unrealistic, but the whole back story concerned the Predators. I didn't mind the vision modifications at all. In fact i thought they looked really good, especially the Alien vision (forgot the technical name). I really think all the movie needed was 10-20 more minutes of actual Aliens fighting Predators. I don't think the movie needed more gore really. More bloodshed alone would not have helped the quality of the movie.
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Oct 01, 2007, 07:34:16 PM
I didn't mind the vision modifications at all. In fact i thought they looked really good, especially the Alien vision (forgot the technical name).
Yeah I agree with you on that part. There were lots of things that I really didnt like about the movie but the Alien Vision wasnt one of them. Don't know why its been getting such heat.
I liked the other movies better like "aliens" and "predator 2". :) Avp was good beause you got to see the two greatest monsters fight each other. :D The fact that two predators kind of lost too easily to one alien disapoints me. :(
I enjoyed AVP though it`s not the preferred way I`d have like to have seen the first film of the two species together.
I know it`s unoriginal but I`ve had LOVED to have seen AVP be based on the original Dark Horse 4 part comic. Now that was a fantastic story & certainly would have set up the franchise a lot better IMHO.
Add you`ve also then established the AVP in the similiar timeframe as ALIENS,so your letting so much become a possibility instead of the way they actually went.
Also the key thing to remember in both ALIENS & Predator movies,humanity is the winner neither of the monsters.
Though a Pred movie with the Pred winning,then moving onto his next game, that would be interesting.
Whilst the Alien wise,maybe human`s surviving as rats & the Aliens are the Dominant species.
Still as said I did enjoy the AVP movie & I`m truely looking forward to seeing AVP-R,this really could do so much more justice for the whole AVP franchise.
Well, after not watching it in months, I decided to cut AVP some slack & re-watch it with an open mind....what a waste of time.
The film leaves you with the biggest feeling of "Is that it?" in history. A pathetically short running time, almost no creature scenes whatsoever, bad casting, aliens & predators that are next to nothing like their predecessors...the list goes on & on.
Now I remember why I hadn't watched it in so long....what a poor excuse for what could have been an excellent movie.
Although I like AVP I haven't really had the tme to watch it, along with the other films, anyway, I liked it the first time I watched it, I didn't really care much for Scar's face :P. I gave it a 9.5/10 for many reasons, Special Effects, good atempt, excellent back story, and a few atmospheric moments.
(I have reasons for giving Alien a 7/10 ;))
Quote from: Stalker on Oct 12, 2007, 03:04:51 PM
Well, after not watching it in months, I decided to cut AVP some slack & re-watch it with an open mind....what a waste of time.
The film leaves you with the biggest feeling of "Is that it?" in history. A pathetically short running time, almost no creature scenes whatsoever, bad casting, aliens & predators that are next to nothing like their predecessors...the list goes on & on.
Now I remember why I hadn't watched it in so long....what a poor excuse for what could have been an excellent movie.
dont worry AVPR will give us somthing good
I hope AvP-R really does. I'm becoming more skeptical of it for some reason though. Thing is really loved the plot for AvP, i thought it was great. Yeah, finding a pyramid buried beneath the Artic may not be all too realistic but it is a Sci-Fi movie were taking about. I just wish they could have beefed the movie up + given the respective creatures more screen time, more fight time, + have the Predators dice a few more Xeno's before being killed off. AvP-R may deliver all the action but the 1st movie definitely had the better sounding plot, and certainly a better setting in my opinion.
I hope AVP-R will be better than the first... a lot better. :)
I rate it 4/10.
I mean, the film could have been pretty good, but a few elements brought it down:
The whole "buddy movie" feel you get when Scar and Lex are running around killing aliens.
Predators who seem to have a problem with closing their mouths. The actual face design didn't bother me much, just that they looked stupid with constantly open mounths.
Alien design. They were just crappy A:R aliens painted black, sure, the effects on them were cool, but I wish they'd chosen a better design.
The whole markings thing. It pulled the predators away from what makes them predators, the endless quest for trophies. It was as though the film entirely forgot about the basis of predator culture revolving around collecting skulls.
Plus it was way too short, and the preds didn't live long enough, plus not enough fight scenes.
Yes when the Predators encountered an Alien, it was as though the Predator was just a human and the Alien was the menacing Predator. If you understand what I mean.
When I first saw the movie, believe it or not, liked the alliance of Scar and Lex. I felt that he was on the "good side" and was going to make it. Then I realized how much crap it was.
This movie just doesn't have it. It wasn't the kind of bad that it was corny, cheesy or something. Its decent in that matter but when it comes to our (Alien/Predator fans) view, it was just bad.
i was extremly dissapointed plain and simple
the anticipation and hype surrounding this film was a huge let down
to give ASSnderSON full creative control on this project was a major mistake on the part of the studio(FOX) and the producers(DAVIS, GILER etc.)
ASSnderSON failed - horribly - to capture what made the ALIEN and PREDATOR so loved on the screen
both the creatures lost their true original identity in this film
none of them were intimidating or menacing at all
the ALIENS came off as campy little mindless insects and the PREDATORS far more worse
family friendly "teenage mutant ninja turtles on steriods" - straight up posers
as for the story itself it was unoriginal in all aspects - can we say rip off
- ASSnderSON got(stole) the ANTARCTICA theme from JON CARP's THE THING
- got the "humans worshiping aliens from outer space theme frome the INCAS and AZTECS
- got the pyramids theme from STARGATE and INDY INDIANA JONES and the TEMPLE OF DOOM - just to name a few
f--king pyramids? are you kidding me - man please
it's kinda funny to me sense none of this sh-t was ever mentioned in here
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DH 4 issue series plus the earlier DHP issue
after all it came before anything else and is the original that started and launched
the entire franchise - you would think one would at least use it as a story line for the film?
yeah ASSnderSON may have thought he could pull the wool over FOX and the masses but he couldn't fool me with this sh-t
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 14, 2007, 07:19:09 PM
as for the story itself it was unoriginal in all aspects - can we say rip off
- ASSnderSON got(stole) the ANTARCTICA theme from JON CARP's THE THING
- got the "humans worshiping aliens from outer space theme frome the INCAS and AZTECS
- got the pyramids theme from STARGATE and INDY INDIANA JONES and the TEMPLE OF DOOM - just to name a few
Those were all homages to movies, and the whole Incas/Aztecs worshipping aliens were based on theories made by scientists... ::)
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 14, 2007, 07:19:09 PM
i was extremly dissapointed plain and simple
the anticipation and hype surrounding this film was a huge let down
to give ASSnderSON full creative control on this project was a major mistake on the part of the studio(FOX) and the producers(DAVIS, GILER etc.)
ASSnderSON failed - horribly - to capture what made the ALIEN and PREDATOR so loved on the screen
both the creatures lost their true original identity in this film
none of them were intimidating or menacing at all
the ALIENS came off as campy little mindless insects and the PREDATORS far more worse
family friendly "teenage mutant ninja turtles on steriods" - straight up posers
as for the story itself it was unoriginal in all aspects - can we say rip off
- ASSnderSON got(stole) the ANTARCTICA theme from JON CARP's THE THING
- got the "humans worshiping aliens from outer space theme frome the INCAS and AZTECS
- got the pyramids theme from STARGATE and INDY INDIANA JONES and the TEMPLE OF DOOM - just to name a few
f--king pyramids? are you kidding me - man please
it's kinda funny to me sense none of this sh-t was ever mentioned in here
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DH 4 issue series plus the earlier DHP issue
after all it came before anything else and is the original that started and launched
the entire franchise - you would think one would at least use it as a story line for the film?
yeah ASSnderSON may have thought he could pull the wool over FOX and the masses but he couldn't fool me with this sh-t
Great points. You really nailed it on a few things!
But about the John Carpenter's THE THING, I think EC comic's Come The Dawn, also adapted from the Tales From The Crypt TV show and the upcoming movie 30 Days of Night take that idea a bit more only its Alaska. Just some of the elements.
thank you MR. WOLF - yeah i'll have to check that out
Quote from: WisePredator on Oct 14, 2007, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 14, 2007, 07:19:09 PM
as for the story itself it was unoriginal in all aspects - can we say rip off
- ASSnderSON got(stole) the ANTARCTICA theme from JON CARP's THE THING
- got the "humans worshiping aliens from outer space theme frome the INCAS and AZTECS
- got the pyramids theme from STARGATE and INDY INDIANA JONES and the TEMPLE OF DOOM - just to name a few
Those were all homages to movies and the whole Incas/Aztecs worshipping aliens were based on theories made by scientists... ::)
WISE PREDATOR i respect your opinion on the matter
but you missed the entire point of my post
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 14, 2007, 08:41:24 PM
thank you MR. WOLF - yeah i'll have to check that out
Quote from: WisePredator on Oct 14, 2007, 07:40:21 PM
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 14, 2007, 07:19:09 PM
as for the story itself it was unoriginal in all aspects - can we say rip off
- ASSnderSON got(stole) the ANTARCTICA theme from JON CARP's THE THING
- got the "humans worshiping aliens from outer space theme frome the INCAS and AZTECS
- got the pyramids theme from STARGATE and INDY INDIANA JONES and the TEMPLE OF DOOM - just to name a few
Those were all homages to movies and the whole Incas/Aztecs worshipping aliens were based on theories made by scientists... ::)
WISE PREDATOR i respect your opinion on the matter
but you missed the entire point of my post
that he really
really hated it ;D
Unfavourable film. It is a lot of discrepancies with original films. For example, concerning Predators:
Predators prefer tropics, instead of a polar climate;
the manual board was the activator of not clear explosion in the first film, instead of a bomb;
original Predators have given a terrestrial pistol, instead of an own spear for which would be undermined;
design of Predator another any;
absolute nonsense is absence of quarantine, whether to bring a corpse without check there is nonsense?
presence Aliens on the Earth is deprived sense - in fact on the Earth on people conduct hunting?
ridiculously a certain variant of the most ancient civilization in history of mankind looks;
murder of two Predators by the same Alien looks unpersuasively, the duel of second of them with Alien is ridiculous;
shuriken concedes to a smart disc, in my modest opinion.
Aliens any too quickly growing.
The mask of the Predator in the second film holds automatic turn, and here does not cope with an acid of Alien.
Predalien something reminds the Newborn from the fourth film about Aliens.
Here that at once has remembered. )))
I liked AVP, but there were some things lacking in my opinion. First off, with these two glorious creatures stalking about, I want an R rating, or no rating at all dammit! Anderson should have fleshed out the initial hunt, when the Predator's were stalking and killing the mercenaries, and drill-team on the surface. You don't even get to see them take out half of the men, you just see them later hanging upside down, when Quinn backs into them. Plus, they had no visual wounds or blood on them, and they were still wearing their skin! Wrong direction Paul. Next, why did we not get at least a couple of headbites? What the hell were you thinking Paul? There was not one scene in the whole movie of an Alien killing a human outright. Granted, I know the alien's needed host's but with the amount of potential victim's at the beginning of the movie, he could of gave us a few brutal alien on human kills. Also, he could have really got maniacally graphic with Rouseau's chestburster scene. Instead, he should have had all the host's in the sacrificial chamber convulse, and spawn alien young at the same time. That would have been awesome!
I thought the movie was great. I loved the concept, loved the effects, loved the locale, etc. I just wish they could have done more. I can't wait to see AVP-R!
It could have been a lot better, I don't think Anderson knew how special and important that this film was going to be.
If you was given the chance to write and/or direct the 1st AVP film, you would do your best to make it special and to make it the best sci-fi film possible, but I don't think Anderson saw it the way we do, I think, to him it was just another average movie.
As far as I am concerned, he was given a great gift and a chance, a chance to be remembered as a great director who directed the 1st AVP movie and would go down in Alien and Predator history, along side Ridley Scott, James Cameron, John McTiernan and David Fincher. But instead he made an average, uninspired comic book style action movie. There are probably 100s of people out there who would kill to be given the chance to have made the 1st AVP film, I am one of them, instead it went to Anderson, I just don't think he knew what he was given, a chance to do something great and historical in movie history, instead he went down as the man who nearly destroyed the alien and predator franchise and almost the AVP community.
And that's my 2 cents ;D
Well, i think it's fair to say it was fairly dissapointing. :-\
However, to be fair, the more i have watched it, the more i realise that at least some homework had been done to esnure some sort of background continuity and detail was kept, which was a relief.
I think in the grander scale, when I heard about the movie i thought (like most people most likely!) OMG THATS GONNA BE AWESOME!
And it simply wasn't. It wasn't a total write-off either, but the simple reality that it didn't live upto enthusiast's hopes and dreams meant it just could never be great.
My BIGGEST gripe was that two of three Predators die so early into the conflict, with the third condemned to death soon after (having been face-hugged). I mean, why in heavan's name would kill off in effect, one-half of the movie's stars so early? I didnt pay money to watch Aliens kill humans - they do that in all of the predeccessosr movies. I wanted to see some serious Predator on Alien combat! :o
Ho-hum, heres looking forward to Requiem! ;D
The first time i saw it was when it came out on dvd, i thought it was okay. I saw it again this year after buying it for $5 dollars in fye, but it wasn't until i watched it monday that i wanted to gouge my eyes out. Anderson cannot write movie scripts. :-\
The only major gripes i have about this movie is the team-up with lex and scar. It just shouldn't be done in my opinion. I was waiting for them to run off into the sunset hand in hand and live happily ever after. :P
Then the fact that the predators look like they need to be suiting up for a football game, i know they're young but my gosh the preds in the first two films didn't need armor why do they?
In my opinion it's not perfect, but it is a good movie.
I agree about the Predators being mowed down. After the first two dying quickly, I just wanted to leave after Scar got facehugged. Right there I knew it was over. I didn't care if it meant there's gonna be a Predalien or not. I mean, I wanted to see atleast one Predator doing well in the movie, so I could have a Predator to root for but how could I when the last one quickly got facehugged?
Quote from: Xenonewborn on Nov 22, 2007, 04:20:53 AM
In my opinion it's not perfect, but it is a good movie.
I think its just a little less of being a good movie
While I pretty much agree with all the bad aspects that has been discussed a thousand times over on this movie, I will say it has a few good moments.
shite
Its not really a terible movie. Its just terrible cause it wasnt what the fans expected it to be.
I think the movie is cool and does keep me entertained. Ian Whyte's performance as the Scar Predator is fantastic, and besides that, the background of the Predators are further explored such as the Predators are revealed to be worshiped by ancient humans as gods and offer themselves as sacrificial lambs so as to breed more Aliens for Predators to hunt.
AvP was a good film.
Lots of action and when it started gathering speed, it ran away with you without leaving you behind wondering what the frak?
The predators and the way they live was explored as Clyde Wyman mentions, and reinforced when we meet the elder Pred at the end!
Same symbolism as in Predator 2, it worked then with great effect, it worked here not with the same impact but it worked.
Don't get me wrong, the impact wasn't lost because we the viewer had seen that before in Pred 2, or some other film, and I'm not a 100% fan of this film, it does have it's fare share of concerns!
The way the Queen is dealt with in the final battle, is possibly the biggest concern.
Look to the utter carnage she causes as she crashes into corridors and walls in her escape from the pyramid, but she's all but useless when she tries get at our heroine who is scrambling through some wood!
Look to the way the place shifts it shape and design, all of it predictable, sooo what happened once the Aliens were hunting and winning, when there was only one Pred and Human left at the end?
It changed once, and by luck split the exploration up, then it changed again before Weyland was killed....but that was it never again.
Strikes me as an opportunity lost, a chance to use the switch in design that would pass the survivors (human and Pred) back a few places, have them take on a few more Aliens before the escape.
What I love about the movie (The great level of detail in each scene)
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What I hate about it.
Anderson killed my favorite predator.
The predators' faces are unacceptable but yet scar's is better than the elder's
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yeah, the level of detail is the only thing that truly stand out for me in this film.
I love how ADI can't make mandibles without skin flaps. Stan Winston's were perfect, but ADI's can't close properly and have too much skin flap in between the mandibles.
ADI sucks.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 02, 2007, 11:29:18 PM
I love how ADI can't make mandibles without skin flaps. Stan Winston's were perfect, but ADI's can't close properly and have too much skin flap in between the mandibles.
Yeah the skin flaps is what always got me.
Quote from: The Wolf on Oct 14, 2007, 06:34:45 PM
Yes when the Predators encountered an Alien, it was as though the Predator was just a human and the Alien was the menacing Predator. If you understand what I mean.
Hit the nail on the head there...the Predators were portrayed as too vulnerable, prey to the aliens, when they themselves are master ambushers, so this was part of why the Predators in AVP didn't feel "right". The stalking should have been more to-and-fro.
Yeah.
It seemed like there weren't even Predators in this movie. Too different in design. Makes me really miss the old Predators. Just big stupid things that tried to look like them. But I will give them this, the Celtic mask is great and I wouldn't mind seeing it on a future Predator. (Although, judging on the photo of that Predator for the beginning of the film, they tried to make their own Celtic mask but it doesn't look right. They could have done something better.) I'm just excited to see the Predalien slaughter those lame excuses for Predators in the beginning of AvP R.
Hated it. And I'm not going to see Requiem. >:( >:( >:(
I don't think this movie had more detail so much as it illuminated everything in a way that all the mystique was taken away by the lighting.
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 06, 2007, 12:35:28 PM
Hated it. And I'm not going to see Requiem. >:( >:( >:(
why not? just because you hated paul andersons avp doesnt mean you shouldnt see the strause bros avp-r movie.....
Just watched it again I haven't seen it since it was released. I think there's some things in there which are good but allot which is bad.
The flashbacks and the spaceship were done well apart from its design which I felt was too futuristic compared to the pred 2 design but that didn't ruin the film. I forgot how cheesy it got when lex teamed up with the Predator, what in the hell was Anderson thinking their, the predators more of an anti hero but come on. Quite allot of cheesy acting and lines. Special effects were great I think that's the best thing about that film.
The end battle was ok I didn't like the fact that lex helped him.
So apart form how the predators looked like shit and lack violence I would give it a 5/10. Not tottaly shit as I remember it but still allot of things which could have been better, just something you watch with your mates.
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 09, 2007, 08:23:28 AM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 06, 2007, 12:35:28 PM
Hated it. And I'm not going to see Requiem. >:( >:( >:(
why not? just because you hated paul andersons avp doesnt mean you shouldnt see the strause bros avp-r movie.....
Yeah man, you dont want to see Requiem because paul anderson made a bad movie?, lighten up and chill, dont judge the next movie based on the first one, thats not right.
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Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 09, 2007, 08:23:28 AM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 06, 2007, 12:35:28 PM
Hated it. And I'm not going to see Requiem. >:( >:( >:(
why not? just because you hated paul andersons avp doesnt mean you shouldnt see the strause bros avp-r movie.....
Yeah man, you dont want to see Requiem because paul anderson made a bad movie?, lighten up and chill, dont judge the next movie based on the first one, thats not right.
Yeah ditto^,
the only time you would ever not want to watch this is if paul anderson was direct avp2......and of course he's not..... ;D :D
Yeah, wasn't so great.
Avp WAS A GREAT IDEA FOR A MOVIE OF COURSE FOR ALL OF US REAL AVP FANS AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SEE IT BUT HE f**kED IT UP
i mean there was some cool shit here and there but some things really pist me off like when gill predator was stabbed with grids tail and raised up 2 his face WHY WOULD HE JUST LET THE ALIEN TOUNGE BITE HIS FACE!! WHY WOULD HE NOT STOP IT OR FIGHT BACK? GILL HAD NO ROLE IN THAT MOVIE AT ALL.....ALL though The Celtic Vs GRid Alien Fight was COol until Celtic got killed I MEAN THOSE THREE PREDATORS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE VERY VERY SKILLED anD THEY GOT KILLED BY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alien.... Imean im an avp fan forever and have been for a long time same with my brother and we have seen all the movies and red the comics and played all the games AND PREDATORS SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE OUT ALOT OF ALIENS I MEAN COME ON im not dissin the aliens in any way i love the aliens, THEY BOTH HAVE THERE GOODS AND BADS WHICH YALL ALREADY KNOW but idk i was very dissapointed With this Film.. >:(
Quote from: Alien300 on Dec 15, 2007, 11:24:07 PM
Avp WAS A GREAT IDEA FOR A MOVIE OF COURSE FOR ALL OF US REAL AVP FANS AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SEE IT BUT HE f**kED IT UP
i mean there was some cool shit here and there but some things really pist me off like when gill predator was stabbed with grids tail and raised up 2 his face WHY WOULD HE JUST LET THE ALIEN TOUNGE BITE HIS FACE!! WHY WOULD HE NOT STOP IT OR FIGHT BACK? GILL HAD NO ROLE IN THAT MOVIE AT ALL.....ALL though The Celtic Vs GRid Alien Fight was COol until Celtic got killed I MEAN THOSE THREE PREDATORS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE VERY VERY SKILLED anD THEY GOT KILLED BY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alien.... Imean im an avp fan forever and have been for a long time same with my brother and we have seen all the movies and red the comics and played all the games AND PREDATORS SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE OUT ALOT OF ALIENS I MEAN COME ON im not dissin the aliens in any way i love the aliens, THEY BOTH HAVE THERE GOODS AND BADS WHICH YALL ALREADY KNOW but idk i was very dissapointed With this Film.. >:(
Whats up with people using caps lock??
they were skilled yes, but not skilled in alien hunting.......
i dont agree with how your saying preds can take out alot of aliens by default, it depennds on the surrounding's and the weapons the preds using.....
i guesss your right i failed to say it would depend on what weopens they had and were they were at that would play a big part in the fights
The first AVP is really bad, especially for the Predators fans. The Predators got their asses owned, in the beginning of the film! You can understand how Anderson (director) is more of an Alien fan, than the reverse. It is all focused on how cool the Aliens are, technically they win in the end (if you follow Requiem 5 minutes prologue). And the whole idea of an temple beneath the ice is seriously ridiculous. The acting is non existing, exept for the brilliant Henriksen (Wayland). And Anderson is everything but a good director (sorry), can't imagine what the producers thought (cash anyone). The only reason I bought the DVD is because the huge Predator fan I am.
Final score - 2,5
- Wolf
f**k most of avp 1 but avp 2 is coming soon cant wait !
AVP 1 wasnt that bad, it just wasnt what we hoped for.
Quote from: Its Game Time on Dec 19, 2007, 12:07:27 AM
AVP 1 wasnt that bad, it just wasnt what we hoped for.
Right on the button.
When I saw I liked it, only because I anticpated it. Then I realized that I, myself, did not like it. It just wasn't Alien and Predator to me.
For an action film it was ok, but if one knew the history of predator/alien the movie s****
The predators in avp were teenagers and theyd never seen an alien before . Therefore they had no idea how agressive and dangerous the aliens were. So it makes sense that the same alien managed to kill both predators. And a predator could not take on a thousand aliens and still be standing. These are aliens people no tiny little bugs.
:( I didn't like the first AVP because they killed all the preds off very quickly. Chopper got impaled, Celtic lost the fight, and the Scar got face hugged after the fight so we all know the preds have already lost half way through the film.
I remember being so exiceted for that film and feeling so cheated after i saw it. I hate Paul Anderson >:(
Quote from: YautjaZer0 on Dec 26, 2007, 08:43:15 AM
:( I didn't like the first AVP because they killed all the preds off very quickly. Chopper got impaled, Celtic lost the fight, and the Scar got face hugged after the fight so we all know the preds have already lost half way through the film.
I remember being so exiceted for that film and feeling so cheated after i saw it. I hate Paul Anderson >:(
Thats exactly what I have to say.
There isn't much glory for the Predators in this! Sure, Scar slices a facehugger in half and an Alien face off.. why couldn't Celtic do that to Grid? Anyways, the plasma caster scene seemed very quick.. like when they were making that scene Paul was probably like, "Yeah hurry up, lets get this gay part over with." lol
I thought it was ok, but the concept allowed for so much potential, but while the concept was cool, the execution was lackluster to say the best. An ok movie, but could have been so much more.
After viewing AVPR, I now have a new appreciation for AVP. While AVP is somewhat empty inside, at least it has a big movie feel. AVPR on the other hand is a mish mash of music video editing, O.C. tv sitcom, and comic book panel recreations all thrown in an incoherent manner.
AVP stage scenery is impressive. I will take moving wall pyramid mazes over strip malls and corner diners for an alien/predator setting any day.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jan 02, 2008, 11:01:58 AM
After viewing AVPR, I now have a new appreciation for AVP. While AVP is somewhat empty inside, at least it has a big movie feel. AVPR on the other hand is a mish mash of music video editing, O.C. tv sitcom, and comic book panel recreations all thrown in an incoherent manner.
AVP stage scenery is impressive. I will take moving wall pyramid mazes over strip malls and corner diners for an alien/predator setting any day.
avp was hollow, it seemed like the characters barely new eachother and the only times they talked was what we saw......which wasnt alot....
Anderson did have the vision - a mish-mash of the comics and Erik Von Danikken. I have to admit though, that it worked because of the pyramid scene that was deleted out of Alien and the Aztec-style designs in Predator 2. Anderson did his homework.
it could have been much better!!!!
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jan 02, 2008, 11:01:58 AM
After viewing AVPR, I now have a new appreciation for AVP. While AVP is somewhat empty inside, at least it has a big movie feel. AVPR on the other hand is a mish mash of music video editing, O.C. tv sitcom, and comic book panel recreations all thrown in an incoherent manner.
AVP stage scenery is impressive. I will take moving wall pyramid mazes over strip malls and corner diners for an alien/predator setting any day.
totally ::) they have really screwed up the series with AVP-R What were they thinking?Makes me really appreciate Anderson and AVP.Bring on Alien 5(with no Predator ref at all!Please).
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jan 02, 2008, 11:01:58 AM
After viewing AVPR, I now have a new appreciation for AVP. While AVP is somewhat empty inside, at least it has a big movie feel. AVPR on the other hand is a mish mash of music video editing, O.C. tv sitcom, and comic book panel recreations all thrown in an incoherent manner.
AVP stage scenery is impressive. I will take moving wall pyramid mazes over strip malls and corner diners for an alien/predator setting any day.
I'd rather see Aliens and Predators in city, town, sewer etc. settings.
I always thought the pyramid from AvP was horrible and it was never believible for me. I wish they couldn't make the pyramid into something else because I also hate the whole flash back part. I wish I could erase that from my head.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jan 06, 2008, 09:22:22 PM
Lastly, the actor who played Wolf, really showed great skill in portraying a predator's movements.
have you seen a real one then? :D
Quote from: frost on Jan 07, 2008, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jan 06, 2008, 09:22:22 PM
Lastly, the actor who played Wolf, really showed great skill in portraying a predator's movements.
have you seen a real one then? :D
yes in the original predator movies.....
Quote from: frost on Jan 07, 2008, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jan 06, 2008, 09:22:22 PM
Lastly, the actor who played Wolf, really showed great skill in portraying a predator's movements.
have you seen a real one then? :D
Heh, heh good point. Actually yes, I have seen them, other people call them Papparazzi.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jan 07, 2008, 02:37:33 PM
Quote from: frost on Jan 07, 2008, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jan 06, 2008, 09:22:22 PM
Lastly, the actor who played Wolf, really showed great skill in portraying a predator's movements.
have you seen a real one then? :D
Heh, heh good point. Actually yes, I have seen them, other people call them Papparazzi.
:DI think alot of people would agree! ;)
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 02, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
it could have been much better!!!!
Couldnt everything be much better...
:o
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 06:25:42 PM
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 02, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
it could have been much better!!!!
Couldnt everything be much better...
That, and i bet im older then you.. boy ;)
:o :P ::) :o !!!!! girl ;)
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 07:26:56 PM
:o :P ::) :o !!!!! girl ;)
Ahh, so youre a girl? Didnt realize, sorry. ;) :)
Hey hey!!! you..you!!!!.... and for that i give you th evil :o ::)
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Hey hey!!! you..you!!!!.... and for that i give you th evil :o ::)
No, I WILL GIVE YOU THE EVILL! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(MUHAHAHAAHA! Lets get back onto topic.
ok...girl ;D
Quote from: Convict on Jan 08, 2008, 04:17:05 AM
Quote from: Khan on Jan 07, 2008, 06:25:42 PM
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 02, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
it could have been much better!!!!
Couldnt everything be much better...
how so?....
Nothings perfect, nothing can be perfect, nothing should be perfect. That is the way of life.
QuoteNothings perfect, nothing can be perfect, nothing should be perfect. That is the way of life.
Then that is perfect....being un-perfect is perfect because that is how its meant to be.....
Quote from: Convict on Jan 08, 2008, 05:34:52 AM
QuoteNothings perfect, nothing can be perfect, nothing should be perfect. That is the way of life.
Then that is perfect....being un-perfect is perfect because that is how its meant to be.....
WRONG!!! Just joking, that sounds like a temporal paradox. Now do you know the meaning of life?
QuoteWRONG!!! Just joking, that sounds like a temporal paradox. Now do you know the meaning of life?
yes, there is no meaning, meaning is just a question that are minds conjure up....we are here because we are here..... ;)
:o ::)
^^ I believe it's called polishing a turd :)
I would like to ask a question about the film. Maybe it's been answered before. I hated when Scar got nailed by the queen. My question is this: why didn't the Predators who imprisoned the queen remove her natural weapons (tail blade, teeth, etc.)? Would the tail blade grow back? I'm not an alien fan and don't know a lot about them in this regard. Has it been explained? Thanks.
Quote from: Half-knife on Jan 08, 2008, 09:58:54 PM
I would like to ask a question about the film. Maybe it's been answered before. I hated when Scar got nailed by the queen. My question is this: why didn't the Predators who imprisoned the queen remove her natural weapons (tail blade, teeth, etc.)? Would the tail blade grow back? I'm not an alien fan and don't know a lot about them in this regard. Has it been explained? Thanks.
Hmmm, never really thought about that before. They havent done it probably because the bonds holding her are more than enough to keep her immobile, and stops her from harming anyone else.
Quote from: Khan on Jan 08, 2008, 11:32:15 PM
Quote from: Half-knife on Jan 08, 2008, 09:58:54 PM
I would like to ask a question about the film. Maybe it's been answered before. I hated when Scar got nailed by the queen. My question is this: why didn't the Predators who imprisoned the queen remove her natural weapons (tail blade, teeth, etc.)? Would the tail blade grow back? I'm not an alien fan and don't know a lot about them in this regard. Has it been explained? Thanks.
Hmmm, never really thought about that before. They havent done it probably because the bonds holding her are more than enough to keep her immobile, and stops her from harming anyone else.
Or the Preds where just arogent and thought shed never get loose? Dnt know
Quote from: Half-knife on Jan 08, 2008, 09:58:54 PM
I would like to ask a question about the film. Maybe it's been answered before. I hated when Scar got nailed by the queen. My question is this: why didn't the Predators who imprisoned the queen remove her natural weapons (tail blade, teeth, etc.)? Would the tail blade grow back? I'm not an alien fan and don't know a lot about them in this regard. Has it been explained? Thanks.
Maybe queens lay eggs when there comfortable, having your tail cut off and other limbs would make her stressed and she wouldnt be able to lay eggs.....
Hmm could work a gues
Man, I just tried to watch this movie again. I ended up turning it off about halfway through.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 10, 2008, 01:44:43 AM
Man, I just tried to watch this movie again. I ended up turning it off about halfway through.
I know, its that bad aye ;)
aye. I mean, I didn't mind it much last time I saw it, but this time, my God it was intolerable. Just about everything about it is bad. Its unnecessarily short, to the point of being lazy. The preds not only look like crap but don't act like preds. The team-up thing, this is where it loses all hope. The alien queens "death" is a huge plot hole, with about 1000 other things in the film. speaking of plot holes, the plot sucks, on the whole.
The grid attack scene was cool, choppers death and the Celtic fight. Sans the tail. If you're gonna kill of two of your preds like that, why wouldn't that have put in a 4th so we can see more AvP action and see the other pred hunt. Oh, thats right, because preds dont hunt in this movie, they act like people.
The worst thing is, with just a tad pit more care and effort this could have been cool. Show the preds hunting, allow the aliens time to go through their life-cycle at a normal rate, make it rated R, no team-up, hell if you had to have Lex work with the pred, just have her follow it around and the pred not care cause it has bigger things to worry about. The pred should have shot Sebastion outright in the hive, rather than let Lex stop him. Hell, I could go on for pages about this movie. So much potential flushed away.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 10, 2008, 04:39:55 AM
aye. I mean, I didn't mind it much last time I saw it, but this time, my God it was intolerable. Just about everything about it is bad. Its unnecessarily short, to the point of being lazy. The preds not only look like crap but don't act like preds. The team-up thing, this is where it loses all hope. The alien queens "death" is a huge plot hole, with about 1000 other things in the film. speaking of plot holes, the plot sucks, on the whole.
The grid attack scene was cool, choppers death and the Celtic fight. Sans the tail. If you're gonna kill of two of your preds like that, why wouldn't that have put in a 4th so we can see more AvP action and see the other pred hunt. Oh, thats right, because preds dont hunt in this movie, they act like people.
The worst thing is, with just a tad pit more care and effort this could have been cool. Show the preds hunting, allow the aliens time to go through their life-cycle at a normal rate, make it rated R, no team-up, hell if you had to have Lex work with the pred, just have her follow it around and the pred not care cause it has bigger things to worry about. The pred should have shot Sebastion outright in the hive, rather than let Lex stop him. Hell, I could go on for pages about this movie. So much potential flushed away.
Yes, quite a load of shit. Very unfortunate.
I liked it a lot back when it first came out. But now I can only watch it when I am totally bored.
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Hey hey!!! you..you!!!!....
That sounds like the beginning of some 80s pop song.. can't remember which one. :)
Quote from: Cellien on Jan 20, 2008, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Hey hey!!! you..you!!!!....
That sounds like the beginning of some 80s pop song.. can't remember which one. :)
Isnt It that avril lavigne song :P.......not that I listen to avril lavigne
Quote from: severen76 on Jan 20, 2008, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Jan 20, 2008, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: chopperbuilder on Jan 07, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Hey hey!!! you..you!!!!....
That sounds like the beginning of some 80s pop song.. can't remember which one. :)
Isnt It that avril lavigne song :P.......not that I listen to avril lavigne
Heh, maybe that too.. but I definitely know it's an 80s song aswell!
It was good but it could have been better!
Dissapointed :( The first pred vs alien fight was great and the last action scene with the queen. The rest was awfull :'(
Well i gues they couldn't get everything in the movie right.
QuoteWell i gues they couldn't get everything in the movie right
Yeah
they couldnt.
Well give the guys a brake they do try.
It was a horrible film. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the entire film is an Alien fanboy's wet dream come true. Poorly designed Predators make that perfectly clear. How else do you account for Grid offing Celtic and his buddy in only 5 minutes ???
The preds were rubber sumos. The aliens were grimacing raptors. All the reviews for AVP from the time describe aliens as reptilian.
AvP is one of those films in which the trailers are more exciting than the film itself. How sad is that?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2008, 06:00:16 AM
AvP is one of those films in which the trailers are more exciting than the film itself. How sad is that?
Pretty common for that to happen.....but true with "avp"...
Let's see. Other than the stupid Predator/human team up,there is no human gore,too many scenes with just humans talking in it and/or doing boring stuff,and last..too much talking and less fighting. Most of the movie in tone just felt cheesie,yuck. It was PG-13 for god's sakes. To me,an Alien Vs Predator movie that is PG-13 is worse than a PG-13 Die Hard movie. They should only be rated R! The PG-13 rating for AVP really wussifies the Predator and Alien species when it comes to disposing the humans.
Quote from: Yautja/Alien_lover on Jan 30, 2008, 09:20:30 PM
Let's see. Other than the stupid Predator/human team up,there is no human gore,too many scenes with just humans talking in it and/or doing boring stuff,and last..too much talking and less fighting. Most of the movie in tone just felt cheesie,yuck. It was PG-13 for god's sakes. To me,an Alien Vs Predator movie that is PG-13 is worse than a PG-13 Die Hard movie. They should only be rated R! The PG-13 rating for AVP really wussifies the Predator and Alien species when it comes to disposing the humans.
R rating isnt everything, look what we got with avp-r... :-\
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Jan 31, 2008, 06:02:00 AM
Quote from: Yautja/Alien_lover on Jan 30, 2008, 09:20:30 PM
Let's see. Other than the stupid Predator/human team up,there is no human gore,too many scenes with just humans talking in it and/or doing boring stuff,and last..too much talking and less fighting. Most of the movie in tone just felt cheesie,yuck. It was PG-13 for god's sakes. To me,an Alien Vs Predator movie that is PG-13 is worse than a PG-13 Die Hard movie. They should only be rated R! The PG-13 rating for AVP really wussifies the Predator and Alien species when it comes to disposing the humans.
R rating isnt everything, look what we got with avp-r... :-\
I know it's not everything,oh and by the way it's some of us. You must keep in mind there are people here who liked AVP:Requiem regardless of your dissapointment about it. The brother who is an ex con and police officer are really awful in the movie,ugh. I couldn't see a good plot being made for AVP:Requiem since the Strause Bros decided for the story to happen on earth,in spite of that the story was decent so that is fine to me. If there is a AVP3,I think the battle should take place on the Alien's world. The story could be that a Predator is held captured on the Alien's world and a group of Yautjas who are working with the captured Predator go in to save him or her from possibly the Queen or maybe even a King(assuming that there actually is one) and maybe the usual set of Alien drones. The important Predator can be a hostage because he or she needed material for the purpose of making certain weapons(it can be the origin of the shuriken,smart disc,medi kit,wrist blades,etc) when it comes to hunting for Yautjas. The humans can be thrown on to the Alien's planet because they crashed there in a ship by accident mistaking it for a planet that they were suppose to be on for whatever reason or reasons.
The Alien species can keep the Predator hostage because the material they(Alien species) need is required to maintain the good condition of their planet for lots of years.
QuoteI know it's not everything,oh and by the way it's some of us. You must keep in mind there are people here who liked AVP:Requiem regardless of your dissapointment about it. The brother who is an ex con and police officer are really awful in the movie,ugh
Im just sayin that gore shouldnt be the main thin in a movie, the main thin should be characterization, plot etc. the gore should be considered a bonus in a movie....
It was by far better than AvPr , its okay.
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Jan 31, 2008, 11:13:57 AM
QuoteI know it's not everything,oh and by the way it's some of us. You must keep in mind there are people here who liked AVP:Requiem regardless of your dissapointment about it. The brother who is an ex con and police officer are really awful in the movie,ugh
Im just sayin that gore shouldnt be the main thin in a movie, the main thin should be characterization, plot etc. the gore should be considered a bonus in a movie....
I never said or suggested that it should be,I don't know where this is coming from. I just expect if there are humans in a movie with an Alien or Predator species in it. To each their own. ;D
I think AVPR brought back the Predator Spirt (The Wolf was the best Predator in a long time IMO) unlike AVP had.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Jan 31, 2008, 09:07:43 PM
I think AVPR brought back the Predator Spirt (The Wolf was the best Predator in a long time IMO) unlike AVP had.
The thing that i absolutely hated was, there was no break or breathing time....like the people never really interact with wolf....its like 2 different plots that meet ends just for a few seconds...then they split apart again, they saw wolf and the aliens but they couldnt stop to talk about what they were....even the pld pred movies had that in there... :-\
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Feb 01, 2008, 11:51:26 AMThe thing that i absolutely hated was, there was no break or breathing time....like the people never really interact with wolf....its like 2 different plots that meet ends just for a few seconds...then they split apart again, they saw wolf and the aliens but they couldnt stop to talk about what they were....even the pld pred movies had that in there... :-\
They were running for their lives, they didn't have time to stop and debate the creatures' nature.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2008, 09:08:25 PM
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Feb 01, 2008, 11:51:26 AMThe thing that i absolutely hated was, there was no break or breathing time....like the people never really interact with wolf....its like 2 different plots that meet ends just for a few seconds...then they split apart again, they saw wolf and the aliens but they couldnt stop to talk about what they were....even the pld pred movies had that in there... :-\
They were running for their lives, they didn't have time to stop and debate the creatures' nature.
sure they have time to criticise each other but not the things trying to kill them... ::)
In that better survival movie, they had enough time to wonder what the heck it was that was attacking humanity. :)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2008, 06:00:16 AM
AvP is one of those films in which the trailers are more exciting than the film itself. How sad is that?
It even looked better visually. They had a cool color correction, with stronger blues and purples.
Then it was dulled down...
It was a let down for me.
The monochromatic look Anderson insisted upon just managed to make the film look worse.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Feb 04, 2008, 01:12:01 AM
The monochromatic look Anderson insisted upon just managed to make the film look worse.
True. But how varied could the colours have been to begin with?
Was really good the first time I saw it.
But then it kind of dawned on me how much could have happened, should have happened, and didn't happen.
So it quickly turned into sort of a let down for me.
I really think the fights should have been fights (with the only exception being the Grid vs. Celtic brawl) not extra short little encounters that made you go "oooo can't for the real fights to happen."
That flashback scene of Preds fighting the Aliens atop the temple was the only real example of what Alien vs. Predator should be.
Quote from: DXYautja on Feb 07, 2008, 02:54:37 AM
Was really good the first time I saw it.
But then it kind of dawned on me how much could have happened, should have happened, and didn't happen.
So it quickly turned into sort of a let down for me.
I really think the fights should have been fights (with the only exception being the Grid vs. Celtic brawl) not extra short little encounters that made you go "oooo can't for the real fights to happen."
That flashback scene of Preds fighting the Aliens atop the temple was the only real example of what Alien vs. Predator should be.
You sound like me :P
I hate that movie just as Alien Ressurection.
For me, AVP is a good movie. I'll post my review:
First movie to be made of AVP. Maybe this movie IS the best than AVP2 after all.
VisualFx: (88%)
- Even with the old Vfx, the mask of the Predator still is the best from the old movies, especially the Aliens suit or even the face is truly the one that is cool. In AVP2, the Aliens chin is like being stretched a little. And the Predator's mask for the mouth is a little too long. That's how AVP is still the best than AVP2.
SoundFx: (86%)
- Same rate with the Vfx, the Sfx has cool sound and some original shout-sfx of the Predators. And background music when the two species faces is good. Very good.
Storyline: (91%)
- The story really takes on the ancient times of how the people really built something from the teachings of the Predators, but when every 100 years the Preds come back and expect a ritual-sacrifice. But when all fates was change, the Aliens almost rule the whole pyramid. Still Predators are there to take care all the problems. The story is cool and easily understandable.
ViolentFactor: (78%)
- VF of this movie is not above it's average. Cause we always see the blood of the Aliens and Predators. Even the inside organs of the Aliens. And I recommend that you watch this movie with your parents, if you're 13 years below.
Overall: (85.75%)
- From the director of Resident Evil, Paul Anderson, created this masterpiece by combining and making a new rivalry of species. Alien Vs. Predator, a magnificent masterpiece.
Quote from: Secret Hero on Mar 07, 2008, 05:31:23 PM
For me, AVP is a good movie. I'll post my review:
First movie to be made of AVP. Maybe this movie IS the best than AVP2 after all.
VisualFx: (88%)
- Even with the old Vfx, the mask of the Predator still is the best from the old movies, especially the Aliens suit or even the face is truly the one that is cool. In AVP2, the Aliens chin is like being stretched a little. And the Predator's mask for the mouth is a little too long. That's how AVP is still the best than AVP2.
SoundFx: (86%)
- Same rate with the Vfx, the Sfx has cool sound and some original shout-sfx of the Predators. And background music when the two species faces is good. Very good.
Storyline: (91%)
- The story really takes on the ancient times of how the people really built something from the teachings of the Predators, but when every 100 years the Preds come back and expect a ritual-sacrifice. But when all fates was change, the Aliens almost rule the whole pyramid. Still Predators are there to take care all the problems. The story is cool and easily understandable.
ViolentFactor: (78%)
- VF of this movie is not above it's average. Cause we always see the blood of the Aliens and Predators. Even the inside organs of the Aliens. And I recommend that you watch this movie with your parents, if you're 13 years below.
Overall: (85.75%)
- From the director of Resident Evil, Paul Anderson, created this masterpiece by combining and making a new rivalry of species. Alien Vs. Predator, a magnificent masterpiece.
13 years old? Are you serious? Horror movies don't even scare kids these days. (Well that sensible when all movies today is cg gore and other bullshit). Christ I saw the movie when I was thirteen and thought it was a kiddy movie.
Quote from: The Wolf on Mar 07, 2008, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: Secret Hero on Mar 07, 2008, 05:31:23 PM
For me, AVP is a good movie. I'll post my review:
First movie to be made of AVP. Maybe this movie IS the best than AVP2 after all.
VisualFx: (88%)
- Even with the old Vfx, the mask of the Predator still is the best from the old movies, especially the Aliens suit or even the face is truly the one that is cool. In AVP2, the Aliens chin is like being stretched a little. And the Predator's mask for the mouth is a little too long. That's how AVP is still the best than AVP2.
SoundFx: (86%)
- Same rate with the Vfx, the Sfx has cool sound and some original shout-sfx of the Predators. And background music when the two species faces is good. Very good.
Storyline: (91%)
- The story really takes on the ancient times of how the people really built something from the teachings of the Predators, but when every 100 years the Preds come back and expect a ritual-sacrifice. But when all fates was change, the Aliens almost rule the whole pyramid. Still Predators are there to take care all the problems. The story is cool and easily understandable.
ViolentFactor: (78%)
- VF of this movie is not above it's average. Cause we always see the blood of the Aliens and Predators. Even the inside organs of the Aliens. And I recommend that you watch this movie with your parents, if you're 13 years below.
Overall: (85.75%)
- From the director of Resident Evil, Paul Anderson, created this masterpiece by combining and making a new rivalry of species. Alien Vs. Predator, a magnificent masterpiece.
13 years old? Are you serious? Horror movies don't even scare kids these days. (Well that sensible when all movies today is cg gore and other bullshit). Christ I saw the movie when I was thirteen and thought it was a kiddy movie.
Correction, I posted "13 years below" not "13 years old".
I don't know about that. I bet some kids could watch the movie without their parents. Its a kiddy suckfest with dumb characters. They'll love it.
Especially when they have the VCD/DVD of the movie, they could totally watch it w/out their parents. And you're quite right, they'll totally love it.
What do you mean if they have the VCD/DVD of the movie? Is this sarcasism?
A little, yes it's sarcasism.
I don't see what difference it makes if its on DVD or whatever. Totally.
^They could totally buy the DVD, if they only save their money, and watch it at home.
In a different director's hands, this would have been a lot better. Not perfect, but better. Anderson took an idea and made it feel so... bland.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 14, 2008, 07:03:03 PM
In a different director's hands, this would have been a lot better. Not perfect, but better. Anderson took an idea and made it feel so... bland.
Absolutely. And a different writer too.
Anderson and Salerno: The dream team. :-X
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2008, 06:00:16 AM
AvP is one of those films in which the trailers are more exciting than the film itself. How sad is that?
...and to a much larger degree, AvP-R suffered the same problem.
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 17, 2008, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2008, 06:00:16 AM
AvP is one of those films in which the trailers are more exciting than the film itself. How sad is that?
...and to a much larger degree, AvP-R suffered the same problem.
Unfortunately your both right.
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 17, 2008, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2008, 06:00:16 AM
AvP is one of those films in which the trailers are more exciting than the film itself. How sad is that?
...and to a much larger degree, AvP-R suffered the same problem.
I can see where you're coming from, but I respectively disagree :)
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 28, 2006, 09:09:30 AM
Quote from: Corpral Hicks on Nov 27, 2006, 08:51:46 AM
Personally I think it's, don't let no talent hacks make any Alien/Predator films. It's people like him that given British film makers a bad name.
Yeah, it still surprises how this guy still keeps getting work.
Uwe Boll is still getting work, why should Paul Anderson surprise you?
Boll has his own company.
Notice how the trailers for AVP have better color grading than the film, which is dull.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 24, 2008, 12:05:54 AM
Boll has his own company.
Notice how the trailers for AVP have better color grading than the film, which is dull.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GT59zmF_Oo
Someone posted that last month? Wow, talk about being late.
QuoteI can see where you're coming from, but I respectively disagree
God please, someone help him find the truth...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 24, 2008, 06:57:30 AM
QuoteI can see where you're coming from, but I respectively disagree
God please, someone help him find the truth...
Already have. And the truth is, I liked AvP:R.
avp r was far better than avp .. atleast thats my opinion
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2008, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 24, 2008, 06:57:30 AM
QuoteI can see where you're coming from, but I respectively disagree
God please, someone help him find the truth...
Already have. And the truth is, I liked AvP:R.
hmmmm only to you.
Anderson should never be allowed to direct ever.... EVER. >:( No matter how many times they re-re-re-re-release AvP it will still suck and Anderson will still never be able to make a good movie. It sits on my shelf collecting dust....
Requiem was far better than AvP in my opinion. Simply put.
I must ask you then: why'd you buy it?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 31, 2008, 01:20:05 AM
I must ask you then: why'd you buy it?
Because I was naive and was like everyone else at the time when it was coming out, "OMG they're making an AvP movie?! Yeah and then I bought the movie and watched it several times only to keep finding more and more problems with it. If anything I'm a fan, I wanted it just becasue I had the money to blow and to say I have it.
Did you not realize it came out in theaters? Most people were over the hype well after it came out in theaters. You could have rented, read reviews (or seen it in theaters) before making a blind buy. :-\
Impulse buy?
Whatever I just wanted the damn thing. Geez. ;)
Yeah I saw it in theaters. Liked it when I first saw it but then later.... it grew..old.
I thought AVPR was better than AVP.
Quote from: ghost rider on Apr 05, 2008, 12:55:26 AM
I thought AVPR was better than AVP.
avp-r was a fanfilm with more money to waste...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:04:40 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 12:59:35 AM
Quote from: ghost rider on Apr 05, 2008, 12:55:26 AM
I thought AVPR was better than AVP.
avp-r was a fanfilm with more money to waste...
And AvP wasn't?
avp was much more, it was a stand alone film, it didnt rely on homages and gore shots to try and be entertaining, avp-r was made by fan-boys made for fanboys..
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 05:26:52 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:04:40 AM
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Quote from: ghost rider on Apr 05, 2008, 12:55:26 AM
I thought AVPR was better than AVP.
avp-r was a fanfilm with more money to waste...
And AvP wasn't?
avp was much more, it was a stand alone film, it didnt rely on homages and gore shots to try and be entertaining, avp-r was made by fan-boys made for fanboys..
Right, b/c AvP was so much better in terms of script and overall action.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:49:29 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 05:26:52 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:04:40 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 12:59:35 AM
Quote from: ghost rider on Apr 05, 2008, 12:55:26 AM
I thought AVPR was better than AVP.
avp-r was a fanfilm with more money to waste...
And AvP wasn't?
avp was much more, it was a stand alone film, it didnt rely on homages and gore shots to try and be entertaining, avp-r was made by fan-boys made for fanboys..
Right, b/c AvP was so much better in terms of script and overall action.
yes it was, avp tried to deliver suspence but of course a shit director stuffed that up...avp-r is a bigger budget fan-film..
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 06:18:31 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:49:29 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 05:26:52 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:04:40 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 12:59:35 AM
Quote from: ghost rider on Apr 05, 2008, 12:55:26 AM
I thought AVPR was better than AVP.
avp-r was a fanfilm with more money to waste...
And AvP wasn't?
avp was much more, it was a stand alone film, it didnt rely on homages and gore shots to try and be entertaining, avp-r was made by fan-boys made for fanboys..
Right, b/c AvP was so much better in terms of script and overall action.
yes it was, avp tried to deliver suspence but of course a shit director stuffed that up...avp-r is a bigger budget fan-film..
0_0 AvP's budget was $60 million vs. AvP:R's budget of $50 million, what are you on about?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 03:45:14 PM
AvP's budget was $60 million vs. AvP:R's budget of $50 million, what are you on about?
Actually, it's more in the vicinity of 50 million, according to a lot of more direct-to-issue sources like PWA...
But even the-numbers.com and BoxOffice Mojo can't see eye to eye regarding to how much AVP really cost, so you either take PWA or ambiguous movie statistics' sites...
SO, it is more likely AVP and AVPR budgets fall closer to each other than the opposite...
PWA said he saved 18 miliion bucks alone by making the sets in Prague rather than the US... 2 million instead of 20 million...
All the AVPR sets were done in the US, so guess how much that may have been...! :o ;D ;)
AvP:R was filmed in BC, which is in Canada=cheaper.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 06:18:31 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:49:29 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 05:26:52 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:04:40 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 12:59:35 AM
Quote from: ghost rider on Apr 05, 2008, 12:55:26 AM
I thought AVPR was better than AVP.
avp-r was a fanfilm with more money to waste...
And AvP wasn't?
avp was much more, it was a stand alone film, it didnt rely on homages and gore shots to try and be entertaining, avp-r was made by fan-boys made for fanboys..
Right, b/c AvP was so much better in terms of script and overall action.
yes it was, avp tried to deliver suspence but of course a shit director stuffed that up...avp-r is a bigger budget fan-film..
You like the Halloween remake but you didn't like AVPR. IMO The Halloween remake was worst then AVPR.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 06, 2008, 12:20:01 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 06:18:31 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:49:29 AM
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2008, 05:04:40 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 05, 2008, 12:59:35 AM
Quote from: ghost rider on Apr 05, 2008, 12:55:26 AM
I thought AVPR was better than AVP.
avp-r was a fanfilm with more money to waste...
And AvP wasn't?
avp was much more, it was a stand alone film, it didnt rely on homages and gore shots to try and be entertaining, avp-r was made by fan-boys made for fanboys..
Right, b/c AvP was so much better in terms of script and overall action.
yes it was, avp tried to deliver suspence but of course a shit director stuffed that up...avp-r is a bigger budget fan-film..
You like the Halloween remake but you didn't like AVPR. IMO The Halloween remake was worst then AVPR.
the halloween remake did what it was meant to, give michael myers a deeper character image....avp-r failed at what it tried to do...which is top the first one..
It topped the first one where the first one failed. Both films are neck and neck.
A little bit off-topic: have you ever been to Prague? I've been there last year, it's a really nice city ,definetly worth seeing.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2008, 03:57:42 PM
It topped the first one where the first one failed. Both films are neck and neck.
avp-r aint that good...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 07, 2008, 09:56:09 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2008, 03:57:42 PM
It topped the first one where the first one failed. Both films are neck and neck.
avp-r aint that good...
Neither's the first one.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2008, 03:57:42 PM
It topped the first one where the first one failed. Both films are neck and neck.
I truly seems like the AvP-R fans keep saying "both movies weren't great", "both were neck and neck", and other things to
suggest AvP was just as bad as AvP-R is just a form of kidding one's self and trying to discredit AvP to the level of AvP-R for the sake of how the movie stands in the overall rankings among fans. AvP-R fans do not want AvP to be known as the "better" movie for whatever reason.
I know AvP was a better film, but I think I would rather watch AvP:R instead of AvP. :(
Right now I'm the same because I have only seen AvP-R once, and I am looking forward to the "extended" edition. Also curious to watch it in HD! However, if someone asked me which they should watch if they could only pick one, I'd w/out a doubt suggest AvP. Not sure why they'd only be allowed to watch just one...maybe their communist overlords only allow one aliens related movie... lol. mmmkay..
Only one Aliens related film and you'd recommend AvP. Shame on you.
Quote from: severen76 on Apr 07, 2008, 03:11:39 PM
Only one Aliens related film and you'd recommend AvP. Shame on you.
Between the 2! Not all of them! Don't you dare try to make me look like a AvP-lover! ;)
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 07, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
Right now I'm the same because I have only seen AvP-R once, and I am looking forward to the "extended" edition. Also curious to watch it in HD! However, if someone asked me which they should watch if they could only pick one, I'd w/out a doubt suggest AvP. Not sure why they'd only be allowed to watch just one...maybe their communist overlords only allow one aliens related movie... lol. mmmkay..
The film is awesome in HD, the third time I saw it in theatres it was in HD and the picture quality was great. Yes the film is still dark, but the colours are more vivid.
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 07, 2008, 02:50:45 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2008, 03:57:42 PM
It topped the first one where the first one failed. Both films are neck and neck.
I truly seems like the AvP-R fans keep saying "both movies weren't great", "both were neck and neck", and other things to suggest AvP was just as bad as AvP-R is just a form of kidding one's self and trying to discredit AvP to the level of AvP-R for the sake of how the movie stands in the overall rankings among fans. AvP-R fans do not want AvP to be known as the "better" movie for whatever reason.
That's b/c they
are neck-and-neck. AvP had a marginally script in terms of dialogue, had a bit more character development, better Alien design, and had bigger-name actors. AvP:R had better action, better Predator design, better sets (IMO), and more gore.
AvP however had poor action, boring story, lack of gore, poorly-designed Predators, and bad lighting, worse than AvP:R's IMO. AvP:R had a piss-poor script, piss-weak Aliens (which translates to a bad design), stiff acting, and a threadbare plot.
Both films had their respective strengths and weaknesses. Put together into one film and they would've been much better.
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 07, 2008, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: severen76 on Apr 07, 2008, 03:11:39 PM
Only one Aliens related film and you'd recommend AvP. Shame on you.
Between the 2! Not all of them! Don't you dare try to make me look like a AvP-lover! ;)
Oh I'm not trying at all. :D
@Doom: Yes, I do think it's safe to say they both had numerous faults. For the sake of ending this on-going issue, I think it boils down to personal preference. I, for one, am not that impressed with movies with over-the-top gore to compensate for something. In this case, that something is the lack of everything else. :)
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 07, 2008, 03:40:18 PM
@Doom: Yes, I do think it's safe to say they both had numerous faults. For the sake of ending this on-going issue, I think it boils down to personal preference. I, for one, am not that impressed with movies with over-the-top gore to compensate for something. In this case, that something is the lack of everything else. :)
Fair enough. Let's just agree to disagree then, like you said, it all boils down to personal preference ;)
AvP is growing on me...:| heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
How is a film where the Predator decides to team up with a human woman "growing on you"? ???
Good question. I just keep reflecting on it...and I have it on my laptop, I watch the Grid/Celtic fight when I'm bored at school. Might have something to do with it.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Apr 10, 2008, 03:28:23 AM
How is a film where the Predator decides to team up with a human woman "growing on you"? ???
weeds keep growing even tho you dont want them...
Great movie but I hated it when a single alien kill two predators just like that >:(
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2008, 03:21:32 AM
AvP is growing on me...:| heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
It's ok, it's not THAT bad. :) I find it fun to watch, despite its flaws.
Its better than alien ressurection but AVPR is so much better!(Other than being so dang dark!)
Quote from: Indiana Jones Fan on May 11, 2008, 11:59:06 PM
Its better than alien ressurection but AVPR is so much better!(Other than being so dang dark!)
To me, that only works if you lower your standards to the ground. Unfortunately for me, AVP was bad and AVPR was really bad but slightly better in some ways (Predator is stronger, that's about it).
i thought avpr was waaay better than the first . it brought more of the fighting the should have happend in avp . but they should have had more than one pred . but other than that i actually thought it was pretty good and cant wait for the 3rd .
I hated this movie! It runied my childhood dreams of a AVP movie and the Predators are treated like crap and Aliens like the baby godzilla's in Godzilla 1998. The acting was bad and too many plot holes, me give this movie a 1/10! >:(
Quote from: RoboPredalien97 on May 20, 2008, 10:07:03 PM
I hated this movie! It runied my childhood dreams of a AVP movie and the Predators are treated like crap and Aliens like the baby godzilla's in Godzilla 1998. The acting was bad and too many plot holes, me give this movie a 1/10! >:(
Yes. Sadly this ruined my childhood dreams too. In elementary, I would always think of how cool it would be to see AVP as a movie with a scale and awesomeness of Aliens.
I liked it, sure it had it's faults here and there, but I liked it, it was entertaining. I was impressed. :)
Quote from: Veteran Warrior on Jun 12, 2008, 08:11:40 PM
I liked it, sure it had it's faults here and there, but I liked it, it was entertaining. I was impressed. :)
What did you think of it after you saw AvP:R? Assuming you did.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2008, 03:21:32 AM
AvP is growing on me...:| heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
okay here's my three step program to realize how bad AVP is:
1. watch Alien
2. watch Aliens
3. watch Predator
Then you'll realize that while the plot and characters had potential, AVP really fell apart in the third act.
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 18, 2008, 09:16:46 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2008, 03:21:32 AM
AvP is growing on me...:| heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
It's ok, it's not THAT bad. :) I find it fun to watch, despite its flaws.
Same but the first half of the movie is just boring.
Eh, I dunno...I downloaded the film and all I watch is Celtic vs. Grid then Scar blasting away, then I turn it off. Go figure.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 12, 2008, 11:32:11 PM
Quote from: Veteran Warrior on Jun 12, 2008, 08:11:40 PM
I liked it, sure it had it's faults here and there, but I liked it, it was entertaining. I was impressed. :)
What did you think of it after you saw AvP:R? Assuming you did.
I had thought lesser of it cuz I thought AVP-R kicked butt man :)
After AVPR, I appreciate this movie alot more. And I used to hate it, lol.
Since 2004 I always supported the first AVP, I saw more good things than bad in the end. Especially when the DVD came out, it really grew on me. I just saw AVP last night and I got to tell yah bro, AVP is f**king epic compared to AVP-R :o
Paul Anderson did what he was told to do and he did an ok job in my opinion. AVP is the most cohearent and solid AVP movie we are going to get. If I was to score AVP and AVP-R it would be this.
AVP
(pros)
-- Great SFX
-- Fantastic visuals
-- Great set designs
-- Lance Henriksen ;D
-- Grid Vs Celtic was awesome
-- Queen Vs Scar was awesome
(Cons)
-- PG-13 rating.
-- Shane Salerno
-- Cheesy acting at times
AVP-R Pros
-- Great sound effects
-- Awesome score
Cons
-- Terriable visuals
-- Terriable editing
-- Can't enjoy the action scenes >:(
-- Can't see the Aliens or Predators
-- Painful of your eyes
-- Shane Salerno
totally agree with you there
I still hate this movie.
I think it was ok better then AVPR
You're a very patient person :P
I really enjoy AVP. ;D
7.5\10
I have mixed feelings but I liked it overall. There were lots of flaws in characters, and I thought the plot was a little weak, but it was a good, action-packed popcorn movie. If you're a hardcore fan watching it wanting meat, then you'll be dissapointed. If you're looking for cons, you're going to find them. Otherwise, it's not a bad film.
You know what I have not heard. The fact that "Bishop" is in AVP.
o_O did you miss the character referred to as Charles Bishop Weyland?
It's just that I find it cool that Lance Henrikson got to be in AVP because of his history in the alien movies.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Dec 14, 2008, 08:05:56 PM
You know what I have not heard. The fact that "Bishop" is in AVP.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2008, 09:13:46 PM
o_O did you miss the character referred to as Charles Bishop Weyland?
Poor choise of words. What I should of said was "You know what I have not heard
from members. Sorry.
'AvP' is a good movie. I like it a lot. It has a beginning, a middle and an end. 'AvPR' is nothing more than a sequence of events.
AvP is anything but a good movie. It's bad in almost every way imaginable. Lack of action, no real plot, poor creature designs, poor script, stiff acting, poor cinematography, and poor direction.
Hey, I thought it was the most kick-ass movie ever made back in 2004, I've grown since then. :P But seriously I'd pick 'AvP' over 'Requiem' any day. Besides the gore level, everything is better. In my opinion anyways.
At the first viewing, it was very disappointing, after the second viewing, it turned out ok, but nowhere near the earlier films. It still beats AVP:R.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2008, 09:39:35 PM
AvP is anything but a good movie. It's bad in almost every way imaginable. Lack of action, no real plot, poor creature designs, poor script, stiff acting, poor cinematography, and poor direction.
Funny, because AVP R was universally panned by film critics, moreso than AvP,
If AvP had no plot I'd hate to think of what AvPr was. Like sending an alien creature to a town to kill everybody is original, sedning a team of explorers to be killed in an alien environment is nothing new either, but at least it was an environment full of tension. Please explain why AvPR's plot was better, because the way I see it, it was essentially the 2 alien races go down to a town to slug it out, while in AvP, the explorers disturb an ancient predator hunting ground and eventually the main character allies with the lead predator: scar, forming an interesting friendship.
AvPR did have more action but it all looked the same, with a few exceptions. Essentially the film was full of shooting and the odd brawling, that said, the predator shurikens whipping out and impaling the lead female was an excellent scene, but in my opinion, the rest of the violence was simply the predator killing aliens as if they were nothing. How could anybody be scared of aliens after the Wolf single handedly dispatches so many aliens, I mean if the aliens drop like flies, they don;'t become worthy advereries to the predator anymore. They're simply extras to be killed every scene. The action in AvP was stylised, like the slow motion slicing-in-half of the facehugger wih the predator shuriken and the brilliant celtic- grid fight scene, perhaps AvOP wasn't full of gore and massive brawling scenes every ten seconds, but at least it looked cool enough to warrant a second watching.
Poor creature designs. Explain. I think a slight broadening of chests doesn't warrant a film to be rated as bad.
poor script, stiff acting, poor cinematography, and poor direction- How do those not affect AvPR even MORE. I remember a particular scene where Dallas says to the sherrif: "People are dying. We need guns." and: "The goverment wouldn't lie to us." The film was so dark it didn;t generate tension, it just made it hard to see what was going on. As Josh Rosenblatt said: "An orgy of mindless violence, a random collection of bloody bodies, alien misanthropy, and slobbering carnage designed to bore straight into the pleasure centers of 13-year-old boys and leave the rest of us wondering when the movies got so damn loud."
Quote"An orgy of mindless violence, a random collection of bloody bodies, alien misanthropy, and slobbering carnage designed to bore straight into the pleasure centers of 13-year-old boys and leave the rest of us wondering when the movies got so damn loud."
Thats a perfect description of the movie.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Dec 14, 2008, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2008, 09:39:35 PM
AvP is anything but a good movie. It's bad in almost every way imaginable. Lack of action, no real plot, poor creature designs, poor script, stiff acting, poor cinematography, and poor direction.
Funny, because AVP R was universally panned by film critics, moreso than AvP,
If AvP had no plot I'd hate to think of what AvPr was. Like sending an alien creature to a town to kill everybody is original, sedning a team of explorers to be killed in an alien environment is nothing new either, but at least it was an environment full of tension. Please explain why AvPR's plot was better, because the way I see it, it was essentially the 2 alien races go down to a town to slug it out, while in AvP, the explorers disturb an ancient predator hunting ground and eventually the main character allies with the lead predator: scar, forming an interesting friendship.
AvPR did have more action but it all looked the same, with a few exceptions. Essentially the film was full of shooting and the odd brawling, that said, the predator shurikens whipping out and impaling the lead female was an excellent scene, but in my opinion, the rest of the violence was simply the predator killing aliens as if they were nothing. How could anybody be scared of aliens after the Wolf single handedly dispatches so many aliens, I mean if the aliens drop like flies, they don;'t become worthy advereries to the predator anymore. They're simply extras to be killed every scene. The action in AvP was stylised, like the slow motion slicing-in-half of the facehugger wih the predator shuriken and the brilliant celtic- grid fight scene, perhaps AvOP wasn't full of gore and massive brawling scenes every ten seconds, but at least it looked cool enough to warrant a second watching.
Poor creature designs. Explain. I think a slight broadening of chests doesn't warrant a film to be rated as bad.
poor script, stiff acting, poor cinematography, and poor direction- How do those not affect AvPR even MORE. I remember a particular scene where Dallas says to the sherrif: "People are dying. We need guns." and: "The goverment wouldn't lie to us." The film was so dark it didn;t generate tension, it just made it hard to see what was going on. As Josh Rosenblatt said: "An orgy of mindless violence, a random collection of bloody bodies, alien misanthropy, and slobbering carnage designed to bore straight into the pleasure centers of 13-year-old boys and leave the rest of us wondering when the movies got so damn loud."
Why are you even bringing AvP:R into this? The discussion was about the first AvP...
If you compare Alien series and Batman series:
*Both 6 movies.
*Alien series started off awesome, and ended with shit.
*Batman started off good, became shit and ended awesome.
As far as how each movie relates to the other in the series (not comparing them):
Alien = The Dark Knight
Aliens = Batman Begins
Alien 3 = Batman
Alien Resurrection = Batman Returns
AVP = Batman Forever
AVPR = Batman & Robin
We should rename this site.. something with Batman or something thats associated with Batman in the title.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2008, 09:39:35 PM
Why are you even bringing AvP:R into this? The discussion was about the first AvP...
My mistake, I had the misconception that you were comparing AvP with AvPR.
That said, I thought AvP was a good action film, with well planned battle sequences, I personally liked the plot and thought the setting was very atmospheric. That said, the dialogue was ok, but not blatantly bad so it made no last impression, I thought the unlikely team of Scar and Lex was interesting, which was something I didn't expect throughout the course of the movie and was a nice plot direction as it gave the impression the two races who were mortal enemies in the past, were teaming up just to survive against the horror of the alien menace.
If I was going to compare Alien series with the Star Wars series, however, it would go like this:
Alien=Star Wars
Aliens=The Empire Strikes Back
Alien 3=Revenge of the Sith
Alien Resurrection=Return of the Jedi
AVP=Attack of the Clones
AVPR=The Phantom Menace
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 14, 2008, 11:52:47 PM
We should rename this site.. something with Batman or something thats associated with Batman in the title.
No. :P
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 14, 2008, 11:52:47 PM
We should rename this site.. something with Batman or something thats associated with Batman in the title.
Because of one thread about Batman?
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Dec 15, 2008, 12:48:45 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 14, 2008, 09:39:35 PM
Why are you even bringing AvP:R into this? The discussion was about the first AvP...
My mistake, I had the misconception that you were comparing AvP with AvPR.
That said, I thought AvP was a good action film, with well planned battle sequences, I personally liked the plot and thought the setting was very atmospheric. That said, the dialogue was ok, but not blatantly bad so it made no last impression, I thought the unlikely team of Scar and Lex was interesting, which was something I didn't expect throughout the course of the movie and was a nice plot direction as it gave the impression the two races who were mortal enemies in the past, were teaming up just to survive against the horror of the alien menace.
If you liked AvP, all the more power to you :) Me personally, I don't care for it.
We've compared this to the second AVP, we've compared this to Batman's films...can't wait until we start making power level lists for it.
"It's over 9000!"
"No, it's definitely way...way below 9000. Maybe not even a 9."
Quote from: XenoVC on Dec 15, 2008, 02:29:22 AM
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 14, 2008, 11:52:47 PM
We should rename this site.. something with Batman or something thats associated with Batman in the title.
Because of one thread about Batman?
No. and I'm just having fun. Just want to let you know before you rape me over this.
I still hate this movie 1/10 >:(.
I wonder if people would change their votes now that they've seen AvP:R.
I wouldn't change my vote from "good" but thats just me.
You know, everyone says they hated both Avp and AvP-R but in the end everyone saw it, majority has boughten the dvd;'s blu ray whatever, and collects the figures for them, its better to have this than nothin, would people prefer that they made nothing at all?
Well the figures are really nice to look at, and only a select few of us bought the films b/c we genuinely liked it. But I agree that buying the released film when you make it clear you did not enjoy it seems pointless.
They're closet AvP fans.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 16, 2008, 04:27:52 PM
I wonder if people would change their votes now that they've seen AvP:R.
What makes it funny is that's exactly what happened to me. I hated AvP, but after seeing AvPR, I realized AvP wasn't so bad after all.
I'm the opposite. It made me dislike AvP even more.
Quote from: Predboy on Dec 21, 2008, 10:28:27 PM
What makes it funny is that's exactly what happened to me. I hated AvP, but after seeing AvPR, I realized AvP wasn't so bad after all.
Seeing AvPR made me appreciate AvP.
I still dont care about either one of those pieces of crap. I dont even own AVPR and the only reason i bought AVP was because i had good memories of the period of time when it was in theaters.
I thought AVP was okay. It wasn't great, but neither was it disappointing for me. Even though I had seen all the A/P films since I was a kid, it wasn't until I saw AVP that I really got into the franchise itself. :)
Great. Thought it was very very good when I saw it, even better than Resurrection and maybe Alien 3, and now after rewatching it few days ago for the first time in years, I think its absolutely great. As I said in another thread:
Seeing the Queen in action again was worth it alone. Having isolated expedition set on a LV-like planet/envirnment, trapped in spaceship-like corridors was realy cool (for me). I think it was a great adventure action flick with some elements of Jurassic Park and Aliens thrown in, but again we all like different things. Plus I LOVED the first AVP comic book by Stradley ever since it came out and for me its no wonder it was such a huge success. And that mvie was heavily based on it, so naturally it was a bullseye for me.
The second one I hated so much that I couldnt believe how something like this could be okayed. After rrewatching the second one Im not that harsh on it anymore and think its an okay movie actually
Yeah, the first time I saw AVP2, I hated it as well and I was caught in surprise to see so many fans state it was better than AVP ??? After re-watching it a couple of times I've grown to appreciate it a little bit more :) I mostly watch the Extended Cut of the movie. It is much better in my opinion ;D But I still am surprised to see the amount of people who like it better than AVP. I guess everybody has their own personal opinions. :-\
AvP was bloody boring. I can watch the first hour of it, then turn it off.
AVP2 was even more bloody boring. there's nothing to see, the film is so bloody dark! >:( I can watch the opening first five minutes of the film, then turn it off.
No way, AvP:R was entertaining and fun. At least stuff happened, as opposed to AvP which was basically just people running around in the dark.
QuoteAvP was bloody boring. I can watch the first hour of it, then turn it off.
Hardly surprising you switch it off. Most of the vaguely interesting stuff happens after that.
That's like watching porn and stopping just as everyone is getting naked.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 07, 2009, 02:08:30 AM
No way, AvP:R was entertaining and fun. At least stuff happened, as opposed to AvP which was basically just people running around in the dark.
People
just running around in the dark? No way, that's the case with AVP2, the characters in AVP did more than just run around in the dark. At least they made sensible choices and faced the fact that there was a possibility that they weren't going to make it out.
I have to say i didn't liked AVP very much, but AVPR was much worser.
The pure Predator and Alien Films are the best.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 07, 2009, 11:45:59 AM
That's like watching porn and stopping just as everyone is getting naked.
After the hour mark, which is when I'm pretty sure the Grid vs. Celtic fight happens, we get the f**king team up and I can't stand it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 07, 2009, 07:39:12 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 07, 2009, 11:45:59 AM
That's like watching porn and stopping just as everyone is getting naked.
After the hour mark, which is when I'm pretty sure the Grid vs. Celtic fight happens, we get the f**king team up and I can't stand it.
Wow, I gotta say thats a surprise for me. The original AVP comic book, the one that was so hugely successfull that started this franchise , had a predator teaming up with a girl. Thats what AVP fans (the ones ive met or bumped itno over the years) expected most of the movie, to be so close to this beloved comic book. I was there when it came out and I was one of those countless fans around the world that were thrilled with it (the original comic book). Seeing how close AVP follows it with same vibe and taking so many elements and plot points from it, Im extremely happy with how AVP turned out. It was exactly what I became a fan of
Except in the comic, the circumstances were different. Broken Tusk was returning the favour because Machiko saved his life. Lex, on the other hand, cried and Scar decided "Ok, so she killed an Alien, I can use her".
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 08, 2009, 07:47:44 AM
Except in the comic, the circumstances were different. Broken Tusk was returning the favour because Machiko saved his life. Lex, on the other hand, cried and Scar decided "Ok, so she killed an Alien, I can use her".
Thats true, but I thought you didnt like the idea of a teamup overall
AVP turned out better than I thought. I wasn't expecting much out of a crossover by the same guy that made Mortal Kombat.
My only problem with the film was...
#1 the predators (more so the way the screen shook when they ran and not the designs)
#2 Lex catching Weyland with an ice pick as he slid down the shaft WTF?
You saw Lex catching Weyland with an icepick as a problem, but nothing much else?
QuoteThats true, but I thought you didnt like the idea of a teamup overall
Why would a fit healthy Predator need to team up with something it would ordinarily hunt? It's not like he needed her. All she did was get lucky that an Alien walked onto the spear she holding and suddenly forgot it had arms.
Quote from: SM on Feb 09, 2009, 12:54:51 AM
You saw Lex catching Weyland with an icepick as a problem, but nothing much else?
QuoteThats true, but I thought you didnt like the idea of a teamup overall
Why would a fit healthy Predator need to team up with something it would ordinarily hunt? It's not like he needed her. All she did was get lucky that an Alien walked onto the spear she holding and suddenly forgot it had arms.
I think he admired her. Sure she was lucky, but one way or another she did manage to think fast and pick up the spear instead of just screaming and giving up. He didnt need her obviously, and didnt hunt her, but didnt mind her joining him on the way to the surface. She certainly did prove to be a worthy and fast thinking partner by the end, just like Machiko. Even more so I would say. In Stardely's original comic book, Broken Tusk simply developed a sympathy for Machiko without her having to prove anything on the field, and was gracious for keeping him alive
If a human actually did something like saving an injured Predator, then I can see a Predator being grateful. But the Predator teaming up with her the way it happened in the film was utterly pissweak. It was extremely poor writing.
I've always maintained that the Predator should stayed in character and simply intended to shoot her anyway for nicking the gun, and then have them seperated by the shifting pyramid. Then FORCING them into a situation where they have to work together. This would actually give the Predator something resembling character development as well as achieving the desired result of teaming up to dispose of the Queen.
I think the important difference is that it was a kid predator. A trained adult on the hunt would probably need more for a teamup than this, but then again, not every predator is the same. they also have characters. Broken Tusk actually turned against his own and killed one of his to save Machiko's friend and he didn't kill people.
The young predator like Scar wouldnt be like his older 'friends' yet. Why kill her. She gave him the weapon and proved to be able to act and think quick. All he did at the beginning was letting her follow him, and not immediately. Very soon after she saved his life, thus the movie gave him the same reason for sympathy as the '89 AVP comic did
There's a world of difference between letting her live and actually teaming up with her. She didn't do anything to earn the respect of the Predator. Either that or Predators have extremely low standards.
If they teamed up after she shot the Alien's head off when it jumped on Scar - that'd be a bit easier to accept.
Personally though, I really don't give that much of a shit, other than to say it's poor writing (in an ocean of poor writing in that script) and I can see why Predaboys would get grumpy about it.
But again, i dont think it was a teampu right away. He gave her something to defend herself and let her follow.
And again, In '89 AVP it didn't take much for Tusk to befriend Machiko and the doctor, and to symphatize with people. It was just his character, he was a good guy. Thats why i never had a trouble with the way the teamup started in the movie
I don't remember the comic well enough, and the vast bulk of the audience would have no knowledge of the comic.
Ultimately it has to be internally consistent and consistent with previous Predator films. I don't really feel that it was. It went from the Predators silently lynching Stafford's men and ruthlessly firing net guns at Stafford himself before impaling him; to being a bit too warm and fuzzy.
yeah, but it was an AVP movie. AVP was started by a huge praise and success of the first AVP comic book, and thats what the movie was heavily based on. I think that why some might not like it, because some look at it as Alien 5 or Predator 3, while its really a different franchise started by Randy Stradley which had its own plot and rules on their own that proved to be quite sucessfull. I judge AVP by AVP's standards, not by Alien or Predator standalone franchises
As for avpR - I admit, it has nothing to do with the legendary 89 comic, and it does try to be a sequel/prequel to the movies
Quoteyeah, but it was an AVP movie. AVP was started by a huge praise and success of the first AVP comic book, and thats what the movie was heavily based on. I think that why some might not like it, because some look at it as Aline 5 or Predator 3, while its really a different franchise started by Randy Stradley which had its own plot and rules on their own that proved to be quite sucessfull
The comic means jack schtimpy to the bulk of the audience. Anderson had to make the film appeal to more than comic fanboys.
As for it being a different franchise with it's own plot and rules - neither of those things was intentional. Pauly intended AvP to be a prequel to the Alien films, just how Stradley intended his comic to follow on from the second Alien film, albeit with a different arc going on. Pauly also didn't intentionally break the rules. Nevertheless he did (with things like the gestation), and this is the very thing that pissed a lot of people off.
You can't make a film starring two fairly popular monsters and then f**k with what's been established and expect fans to blindly accept it.
Quote from: SM on Feb 09, 2009, 04:34:46 AM
Quoteyeah, but it was an AVP movie. AVP was started by a huge praise and success of the first AVP comic book, and thats what the movie was heavily based on. I think that why some might not like it, because some look at it as Aline 5 or Predator 3, while its really a different franchise started by Randy Stradley which had its own plot and rules on their own that proved to be quite sucessfull
The comic means jack schtimpy to the bulk of the audience. Anderson had to make the film appeal to more than comic fanboys.
I would have to disagree with that. i think it would be highly disrespectful if he would ignore the fans of the franchise and ignore the story and elements, and the people who made this franchise such success in the first place. Its like doing a terminator movie and disregarding terminator fans and whats been said and done in the previous movies.
The idea with doing a movie that has a cult following is to appeal to fans while also catching the interest of the casual audience. As a fan of AVP since 89, AVP scored big time with paying tribute to Stradley's story and the rules and the plot. He certainly did his homework with the franchise and went right to the beginning. He also had to capture the general audience at some point too since the movie was so financially successfull
As for similarities to comic book being unintentional - not true. Many of the scenes are panel by panel recreations of the comic book. Not only that, the idea of a hunt and people being a cattle to breed aliens, good predator and a girl that gets marked, almost the same ending - its all very close yet with a slighly original and different twist to it, but the core is the same
What happens when fans and rules of the franchise are shoved aside> avpR. And althought I thought avpR was entertaining, both fans, critics and general audience especially, thinks its the "Batman & Robin" of the alien and predator series
Oh, one more thing I wanna address is the above mentioned incubation time. I surely won't defend franchise errors, but I don't mind them as long as they work for the movie. Alien 3 had most of them along with avpR, but without bending those rules the plot would be impossible to realize.
Jim Cameron was asked about AVP's incubation time and it didn't bother him (well , after so many bigger changes in previous movies, why would this) and I like how he described that the series moved away from the realism and gained more comic book approach, and not in a negative way.
One other interesting thing I want to point out is what Alec Gillis said on the avpR commentary track. I don't know why its never mentioned, but he did adress the issue of aliens growing so fast in both AVP and AVPR. He explained that the predators inject either the queen or the facehuggers with somethig that accelerates the growth so they would be able to hunt much sooner
QuoteI would have to disagree with that. i think it would be highly disrespectful if he would ignore the fans of the franchise and ignore the story and elements, and the people who made this franchise such success in the first place.
I never said he should ignore the fans.
QuoteAs for similarities to comic book being unintentional - not true.
I never said that either.
QuoteJim Cameron was asked about AVP's incubation time and it didn't bother him (well , after so many bigger changes in previous movies, why would this) and I like how he described that the series moved away from the realism and gained more comic book approach, and not in a negative way.
Jimbob's opinion doesn't mean a great deal beyond dealing with his own installment. And moving away from realism IS a negative thing in a series that has prided itself on some modicum of realism.
QuoteHe explained that the predators inject either the queen or the facehuggers with somethig that accelerates the growth so they would be able to hunt much sooner
And yet no attempt is made to address this in the narrative. Gestation (in Alien and Alien3) takes around 16 hours normally, with a full grown Alien about 2 hours after birth, max (based on Alien). Now we go from hugger to full grown adult in under 20 minutes. It's ridiculous in the extreme even if the Predators are roiding the Queen up.
Quote from: SM on Feb 09, 2009, 05:40:50 AM
QuoteI would have to disagree with that. i think it would be highly disrespectful if he would ignore the fans of the franchise and ignore the story and elements, and the people who made this franchise such success in the first place.
I never said he should ignore the fans.
QuoteAs for similarities to comic book being unintentional - not true.
I never said that either.
Oh, I misunderstood then, my bad
QuoteJim Cameron was asked about AVP's incubation time and it didn't bother him (well , after so many bigger changes in previous movies, why would this) and I like how he described that the series moved away from the realism and gained more comic book approach, and not in a negative way.
Jimbob's opinion doesn't mean a great deal beyond dealing with his own installment. And moving away from realism IS a negative thing in a series that has prided itself on some modicum of realism.[/quote]
well the series moved away from realism and logic a long time ago with Alien 3, so thats nothing new
QuoteQuoteHe explained that the predators inject either the queen or the facehuggers with somethig that accelerates the growth so they would be able to hunt much sooner
And yet no attempt is made to address this in the narrative.
Agree. Especially seeing how it created so much confusion and heat. It should definetely be explained in one way or another in one of the movies.
Like I said, I dont mind the fastened growth we see in the first AVP, but in AVPR Predalien getting bigger than a predator in few minutes or seconds even is a major stretch, even with the accelerated growth
You know, with this conversation I see why AVP gets some heat here and there. Like I mentioned above, it gets judged like its Alien 5 or Predator 3, which it is not. It is a different franchise which was started with Randy Stradley story in 89, so good that it spawned such popular franchise with videogames, comic series , toys etc. And AVP movie is an AVP franchise, and it done a very faithful and great job in recreating the rules, look and most of the plot of Stradley's story.
I never got the reason why some complain about Predators being bulky. And that comes down to the same argument. Cause people look at Predator movies, instead of AVP comic book where Predators were enormous and had so much armor, and not because of the art, which was very realistic. Bigger and bulkier predators were hunting aliens. And note the armor on Broken Tusk too
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And so on and on. As an AVP franchise, AVP did tremendous job with being faithfull to the comic story and vision, and visuals! Thats why I dont judge it by spearate franchise standards, but by what it is, not Alien movie. NOT Predator. Its a loose Alien vs Predator comic book adaptation
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 09, 2009, 04:26:05 PM
I never got the reason why some complain about Predators being bulky. And that comes down to the same argument. Cause people look at Predator movies, instead of AVP comic book where Predators were enormous and had so much armor, and not because of the art, which was very realistic. Bigger and bulkier predators were hunting aliens. And note the armor on Broken Tusk too
Because in the comic, the artwork can still make the Predator look somewhat slim. Transferred over to the screen, you end up with a creation that looks massive and hinders the actor's performance.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2009, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 09, 2009, 04:26:05 PM
I never got the reason why some complain about Predators being bulky. And that comes down to the same argument. Cause people look at Predator movies, instead of AVP comic book where Predators were enormous and had so much armor, and not because of the art, which was very realistic. Bigger and bulkier predators were hunting aliens. And note the armor on Broken Tusk too
Because in the comic, the artwork can still make the Predator look somewhat slim. Transferred over to the screen, you end up with a creation that looks massive and hinders the actor's performance.
Still, AVP remained very truthful and accurate to AVP look, down to the armor and size
Brilliant!!!!! (Mostly)
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 09, 2009, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2009, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 09, 2009, 04:26:05 PM
I never got the reason why some complain about Predators being bulky. And that comes down to the same argument. Cause people look at Predator movies, instead of AVP comic book where Predators were enormous and had so much armor, and not because of the art, which was very realistic. Bigger and bulkier predators were hunting aliens. And note the armor on Broken Tusk too
Because in the comic, the artwork can still make the Predator look somewhat slim. Transferred over to the screen, you end up with a creation that looks massive and hinders the actor's performance.
Still, AVP remained very truthful and accurate to AVP look, down to the armor and size
But that accuracy doesn't translate over well to the screen. Adapting the story is one thing, but that doesn't mean every aspect of the comic works well in a movie.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 10, 2009, 04:49:45 PM
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 09, 2009, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2009, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 09, 2009, 04:26:05 PM
I never got the reason why some complain about Predators being bulky. And that comes down to the same argument. Cause people look at Predator movies, instead of AVP comic book where Predators were enormous and had so much armor, and not because of the art, which was very realistic. Bigger and bulkier predators were hunting aliens. And note the armor on Broken Tusk too
Because in the comic, the artwork can still make the Predator look somewhat slim. Transferred over to the screen, you end up with a creation that looks massive and hinders the actor's performance.
Still, AVP remained very truthful and accurate to AVP look, down to the armor and size
But that accuracy doesn't translate over well to the screen. Adapting the story is one thing, but that doesn't mean every aspect of the comic works well in a movie.
Some might like it , some dont. But the fact remains it was an AVP movie based on comic that basically was the AVP franchise and started it all, instead of being just a movie with aliens and predator in it and not having anything to do with the 'breed and hunt' story
Was going to put good, but put great because of its rewatchability.
In some aspects it hit a home run cinemtography, lightingGENERAL design of the creatures is insainly good the set up is great as well... its just the dilvery and the bloopers in has with alien and PREDATOR facts (example the discusting team up)dialouge could of been better and it really wasn't nessicary to have a ripley rip off, if a movie is gonna stand on its own it has to have its own protaganist to make you enjoy it. I don't see everyones beef with the predators some shots they look like f**king retards but others they look god like. The final fight scene with the queen was really enjoyable to watch. Slo mo didn't ruin the movie for me but it made me somewhat annoyed this is AVP not matrix (although I did like the shuriken slow mo ;) ) overall It wasn't good it wasn't bad it was just OK compared to avp:R its a 8/10 why? cause the only thing AVP:R did right was give us some gore... and spoiled all the good stuff in the 1st trailer :-\ but hey its fox I look foward to the future as I see AVP3 the game and Colonial marines and even a new PREDATOR movie on the rise hopefully everything will be back in order but thats a big hopefully ;)
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 28, 2006, 09:09:30 AM
Yeah, it still surprises how this guy still keeps getting work.
event horizon thats why, you got to admit he was doing OK for a director I went into AVP thinking it was gonna be a great as his event horizon.... not really :-[
He didn't write EH.
And it still sucked.
The movie just seemed too kid friendly. Yeah, I know its based on the comics but weren't the comics very nasty too? I just think it sucked. All the Alien and Predator parts. Some might of been entertaining but seeing this compared to the original movies (yes I will because that's where these characters came from) makes me want to vomit. I put disappointing because I didn't completely hate it. Its entertaining but the fan in me that takes it seriously was very disappointed it it.
I thought it was a very good movie. I didn't care for the violence, there was enough to be exciting and I thought it was well thought out, such as the slow motion shuriken rather than just hack and slash. I liked the plot and the setting. I was and still am unconcerned about the design of the creatures and they do not affect my enjoyment of the film.
Quote from: The Wolf on Apr 29, 2009, 10:28:15 AM
The movie just seemed too kid friendly. Yeah, I know its based on the comics but weren't the comics very nasty too? I just think it sucked. All the Alien and Predator parts. Some might of been entertaining but seeing this compared to the original movies (yes I will because that's where these characters came from) makes me want to vomit. I put disappointing because I didn't completely hate it. Its entertaining but the fan in me that takes it seriously was very disappointed it it.
No, the comics were actually fun. They were action-packed, entertaining, and intense; three words you can't really use to describe AvP. The Alien sequences in AvP were good, but the Predators were just bleh that I can't enjoy the film, on top of all the other problems with the movie.
QuoteAnd it still sucked.
Not nearly as much as AvP.
It was worse than AvP IMO. EH didn't make any sense to me; I literally was lost halfway through.
Should have watch the whole thing then. ;D
Wiseguy lol. The film felt like a waste of Sam Neill's talents. Kinda like Michael Caine in Jaws 4
I dunno if it was a complete waste. Neill was pretty good in EH - not outstanding, but then there's very little about that film that is outstanding. But it is solid. Much more so than AvP. Both films suggest Paulie would be more at home as an art director or DP.
It was okay. It wasn't a great film but it was enjoyable despite its shortcomings.
Quote from: SM on Apr 30, 2009, 01:29:08 AM
I dunno if it was a complete waste. Neill was pretty good in EH - not outstanding, but then there's very little about that film that is outstanding. But it is solid. Much more so than AvP. Both films suggest Paulie would be more at home as an art director or DP.
Well he did what he could, but compared to his other work like Jurassic Park, it was terrible.
Apples and oranges. I'd put his EH performance on a par with JP3, and I liked JP3.
Quote from: SM on Apr 30, 2009, 05:00:11 AM
Apples and oranges. I'd put his EH performance on a par with JP3, and I liked JP3.
I wouldn't only because he returned to a role in JP3 that he played well in JP, and did another good job with it. His performance in EH was decent at best, but it wasn't reflective of what he's capable of.
First time i watched it i loved it but after watching it over and over i dont really like it, celtic vs grid, really annoys me when i watch the fight because how can a big bulky strong predator get killed by a alien in a hand to hand fight, wouldnt happen, dont get me wrong i think aliens are really strong but they are not hand to hand fighters they get their enemies by surprise or at least jump on them to start the fight are, and i no thats what grid does but i mean when the enemy doesnt know that they are going to get attacked unlike celtic watching it fly through the air at him.
Gave it a 5/10 rating, didnt think it had any spice to it, actually think i could do better.
Quote from: avpmad! on Apr 30, 2009, 10:01:49 PM
First time i watched it i loved it but after watching it over and over i dont really like it, celtic vs grid, really annoys me when i watch the fight because how can a big bulky strong predator get killed by a alien in a hand to hand fight, wouldnt happen, dont get me wrong i think aliens are really strong but they are not hand to hand fighters they get their enemies by surprise or at least jump on them to start the fight are, and i no thats what grid does but i mean when the enemy doesnt know that they are going to get attacked unlike celtic watching it fly through the air at him.
Gave it a 5/10 rating, didnt think it had any spice to it, actually think i could do better.
That's how Grid won. He was able to cut through Celtic's net and took him by surprise.
Their acid blood is very special. They can even melt Celtic's Net, while Stafford can't even cut the net by knife. :P
Of course. It's acid. It works in an entirely different fashion to cutting.
I can't cut a metal beam in half, but if I got a good enough acid I could melt it.
QuoteThat's how Grid won. He was able to cut through Celtic's net and took him by surprise.
That's all fine and dandy, but the one thing that's just stupid is that Celtic just doesn't bother to actually do
anything, he doesn't move his arms, shakes his body or even try to remove the alien on top of him. He just lies there waiting for the alien to punch a goddamn hole in his head.
And that has nothing to do with the ability of the predator but only with Anderson's fanboysm to show his super duper alien.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 01, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
That's all fine and dandy, but the one thing that's just stupid is that Celtic just doesn't bother to actually do anything, he doesn't move his arms, shakes his body or even try to remove the alien on top of him. He just lies there waiting for the alien to punch a goddamn hole in his head.
And that has nothing to do with the ability of the predator but only with Anderson's fanboysm to show his super duper alien.
While I do agree with you, there are few points worth noting.
1. When Celtic was on the ground, the scene played out in slow-mo, hence why it looks like Celtic isn't going to react.
2. The biggest problem was Celtic not reacting
while Grid was bound. He didn't have a whole lot of time to do anything once Grid broke free. There was at most 2 seconds between Grid coming out of the net and falling down on Celtic.
Yeah that always got me. The acid is burning through the net. How odd. I wonder if I should -*GACCKK!!!*
Like the original Predator - you snooze you loose.
Hm, not sure if I would put it in with Anytime losing because in Predator, Anytime had to lose. Dutch was the hero of the film, so he was definitely going to live. But in AvP it could've gone either way and given Anderson's admitted preference towards the Alien, I don't think it's a case "snooze you loose".
Yes it is. The Predator didn't react, and it got killed. You snooze, you loose. Intent doesn't factor into it.
Quote from: avpmad! on Apr 30, 2009, 10:01:49 PM
First time i watched it i loved it but after watching it over and over i dont really like it, celtic vs grid, really annoys me when i watch the fight because how can a big bulky strong predator get killed by a alien in a hand to hand fight, wouldnt happen, dont get me wrong i think aliens are really strong but they are not hand to hand fighters they get their enemies by surprise or at least jump on them to start the fight are, and i no thats what grid does but i mean when the enemy doesnt know that they are going to get attacked unlike celtic watching it fly through the air at him.
Gave it a 5/10 rating, didnt think it had any spice to it, actually think i could do better.
Aliens fight hand to hand, their class are razor sharp. I think the fight was gay because grid alien should have killed celtic way before he did. An alien is stronger than a predator (look at alien: res an alien tearing down a blast door) and there is no way celtic should have been able to man handle the alien by throwing it! WTF!! The alien was also smaller in AVP than in the alien movies. Predators should own aliens at long rang but an alien should almost always own a predator in hand to hand, hands down has a general rule.
Aliens don't tear down doors. They bash them until they make a big enough hole. That said, the Newborn did manage to open that whacking great pressure door on the Betty. For what it's worth.
I thought AVP was great fun.
Like it a bunch.
Quote from: SiL on May 04, 2009, 12:50:54 AM
Yes it is. The Predator didn't react, and it got killed. You snooze, you loose. Intent doesn't factor into it.
Saddly I agree, still the pred should of one I mean if there are 3 predators at LEAST spread the kills out :-\
Quote from: Pvt.Torque Reikan on May 05, 2009, 03:52:41 AM
Saddly I agree, still the pred should of one I mean if there are 3 predators at LEAST spread the kills out :-\
Scar took care of that one
it was ok. Doesnt hold a candle to the original alien trilogy, but as a standalone movie its watchable. Nice FX and cool nods to the comic book that married the two franchises. Certainly better than the amaterusih disaster thats avpr
I'd take avpr over avp. AvP was way too kid friendly. Both creatures were embarrassing to look at except for the Queen. The Queen was awesome.
She was a freaking T.Rex. Not cool.
The size bothered you that much?
Locomotion was bad. Size, not so much.
If I want my Aliens and Predators fighting it out I'll put in AVP. I rather take Lance Henriksen, Celtic vs Grid, Queen Vs Scar, Antarctica setting, chariots of the gods ect instead.
Now, If I'm feeling masochistic or maybe I want to punish someone by giving them the worst movie going experience of their life...........I'll put in AVP-R.
Yeah, the Queen was the best thing from AVP for me, although its pretty weird seeing her portrayed so..clean. I mean look at her lying the eggs - she looks very colorful and like an action figure or toy. in Aliens she was portrayed as slimy, gooey and her ovipositor was dripping wet and looking very realistic. Also, I dont understand the addition of the 'horns' on her crown
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 20, 2009, 12:23:18 AM
Yeah, the Queen was the best thing from AVP for me, although its pretty weird seeing her portrayed so..clean. I mean look at her lying the eggs - she looks very colorful and like an action figure or toy.
Aliens of course is a much better movie, but there were some pretty impressive shots with the queen alien in AVP. The part where she wakes up from being frozen for 100 years was pretty badass. The whole T-Rex thing I don't understand, big f--king deal! That bitch is huge.
I would be running like a T-Rex too if I was frozen for 100 years and forced to lay eggs the moment I broke out lol.
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 20, 2009, 12:29:26 AM
Aliens of course is a much better movie, but there were some pretty impressive shots with the queen alien in AVP. The part where she wakes up from being frozen for 100 years was pretty badass. The whole T-Rex thing I don't understand, big f--king deal! That bitch is huge.
I would be running like a T-Rex too if I was frozen for 100 years and forced to lay eggs the moment I broke out lol.
I agree. In general, she was a nice eye candy in AVP and the shot of her waking up is probably my favorite from the movie
Quote from: PHANTOM on May 20, 2009, 12:22:18 AM
If I want my Aliens and Predators fighting it out I'll put in AVP. I rather take Lance Henriksen, Celtic vs Grid, Queen Vs Scar, Antarctica setting, chariots of the gods ect instead.
Now, If I'm feeling masochistic or maybe I want to punish someone by giving them the worst movie going experience of their life...........I'll put in AVP-R.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. AvPr isn't that bad. Its bad but there's worse. Way worse. That movie has dumb entertainment value. Just shut off half your brain. Its not that bad.
The fact that you have to turn off your brain makes it bad by principle, especially when the Alien and Predator are both walking psychological metaphors.
Quote from: Undeadite on May 20, 2009, 04:55:09 AM
The fact that you have to turn off your brain makes it bad by principle, especially when the Alien and Predator are both walking psychological metaphors.
What's the Predator meant to evoke? I know the Alien has sexual connotations but what's the Pred?
Quote from: Undeadite on May 20, 2009, 04:55:09 AM
The fact that you have to turn off your brain makes it bad by principle, especially when the Alien and Predator are both walking psychological metaphors.
Yeah but it has the Wolf, a lot of good Predator action... gore.. and that's basically it.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on May 20, 2009, 07:31:14 AM
What's the Predator meant to evoke? I know the Alien has sexual connotations but what's the Pred?
The ultimate hunter; the representation of that which you cannot escape, I think.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 20, 2009, 04:25:30 PM
The ultimate hunter; the representation of that which you cannot escape, I think.
With a face like the one the predator has maybe it represents sexual connotations as well ;D
I know, i know, i just wanted to throw that "pussyface" reference in there again.
Quote from: EEV2650 on May 20, 2009, 07:02:13 PM
With a face like the one the predator has maybe it represents sexual connotations as well ;D
I know, i know, i just wanted to throw that "pussyface" reference in there again.
"pussyface" ;D ;D
Quote from: EEV2650 on May 20, 2009, 07:02:13 PM
With a face like the one the predator has maybe it represents sexual connotations as well ;D
I know, i know, i just wanted to throw that "pussyface" reference in there again.
Rofl, I'll give you points for creativity.
Quote from: EEV2650 on May 20, 2009, 07:02:13 PM
With a face like the one the predator has maybe it represents sexual connotations as well ;D
I know, i know, i just wanted to throw that "pussyface" reference in there again.
Oh god, I just had the sickest thought. Please don't mention that again.