Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 20, 2015, 09:37:39 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2015, 08:25:02 PM
This first came up in May on Twitter. Neill replied to an article calling the claim that Alien 5 would be filming in Vancouver "horseshit".
It does not necessarily mean that Alien 5 won't be filmed in Vancouver, just that it won't happen this fall.
That's certainly possible. I did speak to the informant and the source sounded pretty solid.
The current article making the rounds about Ripley hating AvP (not exactly new) did contain some very small news about Alien 5: http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-07-19/sigourney-weaver-alien-vs-predator-really-depressed-me
QuoteThe actress was considerably more enthusiastic about a future addition to the Alien series, namely Neill Blomkamp's untitled sequel/reboot for which concept art was leaked earlier this year.
"I'm so excited about Neill – because Neill is like you guys!" she told the Comic-Con crowd. "He broke the tapes of these movies when he was a kid, he watched them so much."
"I love the fact that's Neill's fulfilling his childhood dream of what he hopes will be the popcorn movie, the Alien popcorn movie that he wanted as a kid to see.
It hasn't been officially confirmed Weaver will be returning for Blomkamp's film, but she implied she'd be involved when a fan asked if Ripley could get a happy ending in the new movie.
"Well – it's certainly something we've discussed," she replied. "I agree, she's had kind of a crap life. Many interruptions."
I wouldn't take the phrase 'popcorn movie' as necessarily detrimental just yet. If nothing else, two of the best films of Weaver's career (Aliens and Ghostbusters) are among the definitive lexicon of popcorn movies. It doesn't have to mean low quality.
I'm taking the "popcorn" comment as more along the lines of a fun summer action movie. I think the movie
will be just fine. 8)
"I love the fact that's Neill's fulfilling his childhood dream of what he hopes will be the popcorn movie, the Alien popcorn movie that he wanted as a kid to see."
Oh god, that is not encouraging. Popcorn movie is just film industry speak for a movie that is crappy, mindless, and special effects heavy.
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 20, 2015, 09:16:58 PM
QuoteSome of the actors from the Ridley Scott's 1979 movie Alien are coming back to reprise their roles.
I stopped reading any further when I read the above.
Only hope I have is, that another Ash model reprises. I always saw Holms as the strongest character of the original.
I always take that Popcorn movie means a fun entertaining movie you would love watching and enjoying popcorn at the same time?
Quote from: robbritton on Jul 21, 2015, 03:10:33 PM
I wouldn't take the phrase 'popcorn movie' as necessarily detrimental just yet. If nothing else, two of the best films of Weaver's career (Aliens and Ghostbusters) are among the definitive lexicon of popcorn movies. It doesn't have to mean low quality.
Yeah - the vast majority of classic films from the 1980s were called that. It's just another way of saying 'blockbuster', that's all.
So, in other words, it's a passion project with the aim of being as entertaining as possible (just like '
Aliens' was).
Quote from: locusta on Jul 21, 2015, 04:08:23 PM
Only hope I have is, that another Ash model reprises. I always saw Holms as the strongest character of the original.
That could be interesting, but he'd look aged. CGI cameo, at very best.
Someone being a fan doesn't really make me more confident that a movie will be good. In fact, debatably it's more of a worry, as he could get caught up in nostalgia.
I thought Sigourney Weaver was confirmed to be in the film months ago.
Quote from: CelticPred97 on Jul 21, 2015, 06:01:16 PM
Someone being a fan doesn't really make me more confident that a movie will be good. In fact, debatably it's more of a worry, as he could get caught up in nostalgia.
I thought Sigourney Weaver was confirmed to be in the film months ago.
Yes. We are all fans but several of us clearly would take things in various different directions. So I somewhat agree with CelticPred97 on this. Just because they are fans doesn't garuantee us a good film let alone a great film. I'm sure on some level it helps to be a fan so the film doesn't go waaaayy out into left field but at the same time what I want to see as a fan maybe completely different than others.
"Only hope I have is, that another Ash model reprises. I always saw Holms as the strongest character of the original."
"That could be interesting, but he'd look aged. CGI cameo, at very best."
- Oh please no CGI cameo's, or cameo's at all in fact. I just want 'Alien 5' to be a good film. No rehashed ideas, no stolen one liners, no cameo's, as that shows it's a weak, less believable and serious movie.
I can get on board with the idea that 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection' were dreams (if that's how they want to retcon it, which I would much prefer to just ignoring them, as that would just mean that appearantely you can just pick apart franchises and rearrange however you like). But please don't make a 'Jurassic World' - fun and references the original well, but has weak writing as a story. And even more so, please don't turn it into the 'Terminator' franchise - just a ruiny mess (with some cool scenes).
"Yes. We are all fans but several of us clearly would take things in various different directions. So I somewhat agree with CelticPred97 on this. Just because they are fans doesn't garuantee us a good film let alone a great film. I'm sure on some level it helps to be a fan so the film doesn't go waaaayy out into left field but at the same time what I want to see as a fan maybe completely different than others."
- Yeah that was my thinking.
P.S. On my computer I don't have the range of buttons on this website when writing comments, as I used to and as clearly everyone else does, such as the ability to set something as a quote. I just have a bar of smilys. Any idea why that is, anyone?
Quote from: CelticPred97 on Jul 21, 2015, 06:20:03 PM
"Only hope I have is, that another Ash model reprises. I always saw Holms as the strongest character of the original."
"That could be interesting, but he'd look aged. CGI cameo, at very best."
- Oh please no CGI cameo's, or cameo's at all in fact. I just want 'Alien 5' to be a good film. No rehashed ideas, no stolen one liners, no cameo's, as that shows it's a weak, less believable and serious movie.
I can get on board with the idea that 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection' were dreams (if that's how they want to retcon it, which I would much prefer to just ignoring them, as that would just mean that appearantely you can just pick apart franchises and rearrange however you like). But please don't make a 'Jurassic World' - fun and references the original well, but has weak writing as a story. And even more so, please don't turn it into the 'Terminator' franchise - just a ruiny mess (with some cool scenes).
"Yes. We are all fans but several of us clearly would take things in various different directions. So I somewhat agree with CelticPred97 on this. Just because they are fans doesn't garuantee us a good film let alone a great film. I'm sure on some level it helps to be a fan so the film doesn't go waaaayy out into left field but at the same time what I want to see as a fan maybe completely different than others."
- Yeah that was my thinking.
P.S. On my computer I don't have the range of buttons on this website when writing comments, as I used to and as clearly everyone else does, such as the ability to set something as a quote. I just have a bar of smilys. Any idea why that is, anyone?
Sorry I use tapatalk app on my phone.
Just asking was Weaver ever excited about alien Resurrection i know she was paid a huge amount and is there ever a time in Weavers movie history in which she was excited about a movie which turned out to be shit?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 21, 2015, 07:16:13 PM
Folks, as I understand, this thread is for posting news on Alien 5 only. Comments belong elsewhere. (I'm not an admin, but I expect that will be their take on posting in this thread. Let's try to keep it as a useful news resource without jamming it up with opinion posts)
I'm sure the answer to this is "yes" depending on who you talk to. I know some people who thought avatar was crap and I'm pretty sure sigorney was excited about that one (or maybe she was just excited to work with Cameron again)...
Quote from: robbritton on Jul 21, 2015, 03:10:33 PM
I wouldn't take the phrase 'popcorn movie' as necessarily detrimental just yet. If nothing else, two of the best films of Weaver's career (Aliens and Ghostbusters) are among the definitive lexicon of popcorn movies. It doesn't have to mean low quality.
I'm hoping she just means it's going to be entertaining in the same level as Aliens was. Just so used to seeing popcorn flick used in a detrimental way.
If you look into Blomkamps theory behind his films its more of an experience/entertainment. His movies seem to be awesome sci-fi universes that through his production he creates some really great pieces. I believe his idea of entertainment is far past the classic hollywood blockbuster.
She is going to appear in the Avatar sequels that means she likes Avatar(ugh) man i dont know about alien 5 should i be worried or be excited.
Ok I'm gonna put this in here. My big guess as to what the new movie will be titled IS:
Planet Aliens
or something along those lines.
Are they really going to cut out of canon Alien3&4 to give Ripley a "happy ending". Some fans act like f**king children.
Quote from: tmjhur on Jul 22, 2015, 01:40:04 PM
Ok I'm gonna put this in here. My big guess as to what the new movie will be titled IS:
Planet Aliens
or something along those lines.
Are they really going to cut out of canon Alien3&4 to give Ripley a "happy ending". Some fans act like f**king children.
Some fans want a kid and a lady back ???literally i was arguing with a guy over alien 3 so finally i was like fine how about if they retconn the ending of alien 3 to go with alien 5(check out that forum)so Ripley survives happy?and he says he wants Newt back? ???why not get any random kid.
Because any random kid doesn't work. It's the emotional investment from the journey in Aliens.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 01:58:22 PM
Because any random kid doesn't work. It's the emotional investment from the journey in Aliens.
Got a point check out this video on Youtube Alien 3 movie defense force do you agree on what he says about Newt
Let's not start anything here gents.
Thanks
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Thank you.
I'm still on team blommy for now, but being a "huge fan" don't mean shit in this franchise nowadays.
Anderson and those twin idiots were both "huge fans". I'll stay in the safe-zone of skeptical interest until i see a production shot of the alien suit. Thats when shit gets real.
I'm still excited for the movie and am intetested in what Blompkamp can bring to the table. But I also agree with people that being an Alien fan doesn't mean shit anymore after the AVP movies. We've all heard that song before and have been disappointed. I hope he delivers.
It's gonna be a popcorn movie alright...
I'm still looking forward to this quite a bit. There's nothing wrong with the "popcorn movie" thing. I just take that to mean a fun movie with a lot of action. My guess for the title is "Aliens: Homeworld" or setting along those lines.
Don't think it'll deal with any kind of homeworld. They've said there could potentially be one or two further sequels with Ripley, if required. Homeworld shenanigans would need to be kept for another story.
A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
I want to see this film strongly. I love Aliens, I love Ripley. But for me, this movie will e always a "what if..." Ripley's story ended with her death. That was the only end for the her, because she was a hero. Considering she needs a happy ending is not only childish but boring.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
Yeah I think the logical continuation of ALIENS would be either go to a fully infested planet or to show the Weyland/Yutani weapons program and then the application of said program to whatever the story is. For instance what/who do they want to take over with their new bio weapon?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
I hope that won't be the case since the last thing I want is another epic sic-fi action movie. I really hope he can keep his johnson in his pants and do something with that ALIEN: ISOLATION inspiration and ideas he mentioned earlier. His main priority should be to make a good movie, not a good sic-fi movie but a good movie on all accounts closely followed by bringing life in the Alien - make it nightmarishly scary, graceful and imposing again. Going down the action packed bro movie route using the xenos as cannon fodder and target practice for Hicks, Rip & the marines and trademark Blomkamp robots would be temporarily satisfying for many fans it seams like, but it will not be the sequel and rebooter of the franchise the Alien franchise deserves. Despite the AVP mess, crappy games etc. the Alien movies are still held in high regard, especially ALIEN. ALIENS is still considered one of the best sequels ever and A3 is slowly but steadily getting more and more appreciated and acknowledged amongst both fans, critics and the casual movie goer.
I really hope that Blomkamp is not only focusing on superficial cool things and ideas and is indeed trying to make a mature movie with mature characters, much like in ALIEN and A3. This "fulfilling his childhood dream" and "alien popcorn movie" does not sound very promising to me...
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 22, 2015, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
I hope that won't be the case since the last thing I want is another epic sic-fi action movie. I really hope he can keep his johnson in his pants and do something with that ALIEN: Infestation inspiration and ideas he mentioned earlier. His main priority should be to make a good movie, not a good sic-fi movie but a good movie on all accounts closely followed by bringing life in the Alien - make it nightmarishly scary, graceful and imposing again. Going down the action packed bro movie route using the xenos as cannon fodder and target practice for Hicks, Rip & the marines and trademark Blomkamp robots would be temporarily satisfying for many fans it seams like, but it will not be the sequel and rebooter of the franchise the Alien franchise deserves. Despite the AVP mess, crappy games etc. the Alien movies are still held in high regard, especially ALIEN. ALIENS is still considered one of the best sequels ever and A3 is slowly but steadily getting more and more appreciated and acknowledged amongst both fans, critics and the casual movie goer.
I really hope that Blomkamp is not only focusing on superficial cool things and ideas and is indeed trying to make a mature movie with mature characters, much like in ALIEN and A3. This "fulfilling his childhood dream" and "alien popcorn movie" does not sound very promising to me...
So true :(
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 22, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 22, 2015, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
I hope that won't be the case since the last thing I want is another epic sic-fi action movie. I really hope he can keep his johnson in his pants and do something with that ALIEN: ISOLATION inspiration and ideas he mentioned earlier. His main priority should be to make a good movie, not a good sic-fi movie but a good movie on all accounts closely followed by bringing life in the Alien - make it nightmarishly scary, graceful and imposing again. Going down the action packed bro movie route using the xenos as cannon fodder and target practice for Hicks, Rip & the marines and trademark Blomkamp robots would be temporarily satisfying for many fans it seams like, but it will not be the sequel and rebooter of the franchise the Alien franchise deserves. Despite the AVP mess, crappy games etc. the Alien movies are still held in high regard, especially ALIEN. ALIENS is still considered one of the best sequels ever and A3 is slowly but steadily getting more and more appreciated and acknowledged amongst both fans, critics and the casual movie goer.
I really hope that Blomkamp is not only focusing on superficial cool things and ideas and is indeed trying to make a mature movie with mature characters, much like in ALIEN and A3. This "fulfilling his childhood dream" and "alien popcorn movie" does not sound very promising to me...
So true :(
Just edited away a fatal mistake... I wrote ALIEN: INFESTATION instead of ALIEN: ISOLATION.
Yea I highly doubt we'll see a hiveworld/homeworld in alien 5... His earlier concept art showed a derelict craft housed in a research facility; presumably owned and operated by weyland yutani. Seems to me like the company got their hands on the alien via a crashed ship (whether it's a different ship or the same one found on lv 426, only time will tell), and I don't think a derelict ship would be that much of a priority if they've found an entire planet overrun with aliens...
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 22, 2015, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
I hope that won't be the case since the last thing I want is another epic sic-fi action movie.
Who says it'd have to be an "epic" movie? The fear of that pressure on all sides of the characters would be immense. The visual side would also be fantastic as well - especially if it was once a well established human colony. To see what was once a sprawling city being transformed into a literal city of bones would be fantastic. We saw that on a smaller scale in Hadley's Hope - it'd be really powerful to see it on a larger scale, say something like the size of New York.
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 23, 2015, 02:13:48 AM
Yea I highly doubt we'll see a hiveworld/homeworld in alien 5...
I completely agree. But I think it would look amazing on screen at some point.
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Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 22, 2015, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
I hope that won't be the case since the last thing I want is another epic sic-fi action movie.
Who says it'd have to be an "epic" movie? The fear of that pressure on all sides of the characters would be immense. The visual side would also be fantastic as well - especially if it was once a well established human colony. To see what was once a sprawling city being transformed into a literal city of bones would be fantastic. We saw that on a smaller scale in Hadley's Hope - it'd be really powerful to see it on a larger scale, say something like the size of New York.
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 23, 2015, 02:13:48 AM
Yea I highly doubt we'll see a hiveworld/homeworld in alien 5...
I completely agree. But I think it would look amazing on screen at some point.
I won't argue with that! It would look amazing... As long as it looks like the hive from aliens and not like the one in resurrection, :-)
Definitely. I even like the hive sets from AvP and AvPR because they're similar in style to Aliens. I much prefer that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 23, 2015, 07:13:17 AM
Who says it'd have to be an "epic" movie? The fear of that pressure on all sides of the characters would be immense. The visual side would also be fantastic as well - especially if it was once a well established human colony. To see what was once a sprawling city being transformed into a literal city of bones would be fantastic. We saw that on a smaller scale in Hadley's Hope - it'd be really powerful to see it on a larger scale, say something like the size of New York.
...which means that the movie would be a full-blown bullshit action movie with tanks, robots, exosuits, nukes, enormous hordes of cannon fodder aliens and crap like that. At least with an action prone director like Blomkamp.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 23, 2015, 04:51:48 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 23, 2015, 07:13:17 AM
Who says it'd have to be an "epic" movie? The fear of that pressure on all sides of the characters would be immense. The visual side would also be fantastic as well - especially if it was once a well established human colony. To see what was once a sprawling city being transformed into a literal city of bones would be fantastic. We saw that on a smaller scale in Hadley's Hope - it'd be really powerful to see it on a larger scale, say something like the size of New York.
...which means that the movie would be a full-blown bullshit action movie with tanks, robots, exosuits, nukes, enormous hordes of cannon fodder aliens and crap like that. At least with an action prone director like Blomkamp.
If an action-prone director were at the helm, like blomkamp, yea this is a strong possibility. But I dont think its the only direction a film like this could possibly take either.
And an action director doesn't mean it's going to be a bad film. Aliens is a classic in its own right.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 23, 2015, 04:51:48 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 23, 2015, 07:13:17 AM
Who says it'd have to be an "epic" movie? The fear of that pressure on all sides of the characters would be immense. The visual side would also be fantastic as well - especially if it was once a well established human colony. To see what was once a sprawling city being transformed into a literal city of bones would be fantastic. We saw that on a smaller scale in Hadley's Hope - it'd be really powerful to see it on a larger scale, say something like the size of New York.
...which means that the movie would be a full-blown bullshit action movie with tanks, robots, exosuits, nukes, enormous hordes of cannon fodder aliens and crap like that. At least with an action prone director like Blomkamp.
Honestly, that sounds pretty fun. I would expect all of that to be there if a prominent colony (or Earth) got invested with the terrors from beyond! Doesn't mean it has to be "dumb", but it certainly needs to be exciting, suspenseful, even scary a lot of times, and well done if it goes this route (action movie)! You sound like you just hate action in general. Your argunents have boiled down to "If it's an action movie, it will suck." If the quality is anything even close to Aliens or Terminator 2, that's a damn success.
Paul.W.Anderson said he was a fan as well :(
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 23, 2015, 10:21:35 PM
Paul.W.Anderson said he was a fan as well :(
... So did Randy pitchford...
... But on the plus side, Al Hope from creative assembly also said he was a fan, so in time we'll see if blomkamp is a "Randy pitchford" type of fan or an "Al Hope" type of fan... :-)
Quote from: tmjhur on Jul 22, 2015, 08:52:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
Yeah I think the logical continuation of ALIENS would be either go to a fully infested planet or to show the Weyland/Yutani weapons program and then the application of said program to whatever the story is. For instance what/who do they want to take over with their new bio weapon?
That's kinda what I was thinking. Maybe not the home world but a planet that had been overrun and fell to the aliens. A barren wasteland where an entire worlds population had been completed decimated by the aliens. And you could play that off several ways. It could be done as a planet slap full of aliens... or that they have all but died out and all that remains is a few aliens spread sparsely across a barren hive infested planet.
It could be done as a derelict lands and eggs are deposited. Or the derelict crashes and eggs are disturbed.
Which could either be shown as quick back story for explanation of what happened. Or that could be the reason the marines are headed to that planet... To help with eradication. But because they are so far away the planets inhabitants succumb to the infestation.
This would spur heavy feelings and painful memories of her past crew mates falling to the dreaded species, prompting her to go into "ass kicker mode" again. Plus we would get to see what happens if they aren't stopped and the hive continues to multiply at a rapid rate. Maybe bring in several different hives pitting against each other for territory.
This would all be done over a couple of sequels of course.
More popcorn [emoji12]
Everyone assumes LV-426 wasn't once teeming with life...
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 24, 2015, 12:05:03 AM
Everyone assumes LV-426 wasn't once teeming with life...
"No indigenous life it's a rock"
Quoted from the movie itself so.....no. not teeming with life.
Not now, no.
No reason it couldn't once have been and the reason for all those bone-shaped rocks is because it's ancient fossilised hive material.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 24, 2015, 03:28:00 AM
Not now, no.
No reason it couldn't once have been and the reason for all those bone-shaped rocks is because it's ancient fossilised hive material.
I always took those rocks as being natural formations caused by erosion from the severe single direction winds...
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 24, 2015, 03:32:39 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 24, 2015, 03:28:00 AM
Not now, no.
No reason it couldn't once have been and the reason for all those bone-shaped rocks is because it's ancient fossilised hive material.
I always took those rocks as being natural formations caused by erosion from the severe single direction winds...
I always imagined those formations being the remains of humongous aliens... you know, the dorsal tubes sticking out of the ground but I think your idea makes more sense. That or alien drool collecting like Stalagmites in the wind.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 23, 2015, 04:51:48 PMAt least with an action prone director like Blomkamp.
District 9 struck a great balance between action and plot. Sure, it had some crazy action movie carnage, but only in the final ten minutes. Most of the rest of the film was far more character-driven. You could say the same about his other films too, except crucially the scripts just weren't strong enough to carry the non-action parts.
That said, I am slightly concerned they might be going for the comic-book, please the children,
Aliens-on-steroids approach with the new film. I really hope they aren't.
If it does go the Aliens-action orientated road, I would expect it to be more Aliens than Aliens-on steroids. Alien Resurrection is more of a comic book action film and considering that we're expecting him to ignore Alien 3 and Res, I'd expect him to keep away from the tone of those films too.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
Yeah I think the logical continuation of ALIENS would be either go to a fully infested planet or to show the Weyland/Yutani weapons program and then the application of said program to whatever the story is. For instance what/who do they want to take over with their new bio weapon?
That's kinda what I was thinking. Maybe not the home world but a planet that had been overrun and fell to the aliens. A barren wasteland where an entire worlds population had been completed decimated by the aliens. And you could play that off several ways. It could be done as a planet slap full of aliens... or that they have all but died out and all that remains is a few aliens spread sparsely across a barren hive infested planet.
It could be done as a derelict lands and eggs are deposited. Or the derelict crashes and eggs are disturbed.
Which could either be shown as quick back story for explanation of what happened. Or that could be the reason the marines are headed to that planet... To help with eradication. But because they are so far away the planets inhabitants succumb to the infestation.
This would spur heavy feelings and painful memories of her past crew mates falling to the dreaded species, prompting her to go into "ass kicker mode" again. Plus we would get to see what happens if they aren't stopped and the hive continues to multiply at a rapid rate. Maybe bring in several different hives pitting against each other for territory.
This would all be done over a couple of sequels of course.
More popcorn [emoji12]
Do you think they should leave a hiveworld for an AVP movie.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 24, 2015, 03:28:00 AM
Not now, no.
No reason it couldn't once have been and the reason for all those bone-shaped rocks is because it's ancient fossilised hive material.
Yes that would be an interesting way to look at it but the question still remains how or why would you do it on LV 426? that's a bit cliche to me. I mean Blomkamp has already stated that the film will take place after the events in aliens. So if we're talking about doing an entire planet made of hive material that has been overrun with aliens then why would we go back to LV 426?
Don't get me wrong i see where you're coming from and it's not a bad idea at all. But I don't think they'd be able to use LV 426 simply because there were terraformers there for over 40 years. They would have found some type of remains of a lost civilization. Building remains, fossilized skeletal remains,... something. I would suggest a different planet for this very reason.
Maybe go back to LV 426 and find the derelict. Upon examination of the derelict (Which we've seen concept pics of) they stumble upon the coordinates of the another planet like earth. Maybe another one of those funky holographic videos where the engineers intercepted a distress beacon from this planet. Marines go to investigate and give aid but by the time they've arrived, the team back at the derelict learns that the engineers had planted the eggs on that planet and it's determined that the planet is now overrun with aliens. But because they are so far away the transmission doesn't reach the marines in time to stop them from landing.
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A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
Yeah I think the logical continuation of ALIENS would be either go to a fully infested planet or to show the Weyland/Yutani weapons program and then the application of said program to whatever the story is. For instance what/who do they want to take over with their new bio weapon?
That's kinda what I was thinking. Maybe not the home world but a planet that had been overrun and fell to the aliens. A barren wasteland where an entire worlds population had been completed decimated by the aliens. And you could play that off several ways. It could be done as a planet slap full of aliens... or that they have all but died out and all that remains is a few aliens spread sparsely across a barren hive infested planet.
It could be done as a derelict lands and eggs are deposited. Or the derelict crashes and eggs are disturbed.
Which could either be shown as quick back story for explanation of what happened. Or that could be the reason the marines are headed to that planet... To help with eradication. But because they are so far away the planets inhabitants succumb to the infestation.
This would spur heavy feelings and painful memories of her past crew mates falling to the dreaded species, prompting her to go into "ass kicker mode" again. Plus we would get to see what happens if they aren't stopped and the hive continues to multiply at a rapid rate. Maybe bring in several different hives pitting against each other for territory.
This would all be done over a couple of sequels of course.
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Do you think they should leave a hiveworld for an AVP movie.
No I don't want to see hive world in avp. It was started with aliens... I want to see it stay with and end with an alien film. Now the alien homeworld (if there is such a thing) yes. I wouldn't mind seeing that in another avp film. Maybe do a screen adaptation of avp three world war. Or something to that effect.
Personally I just want to see a clan of preds capture a queen from a hive. That's the epic scene I'm waiting for.
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A Hiveworld of some variety would be nice though. I'd really like to see infestation on a larger scale.
Yeah I think the logical continuation of ALIENS would be either go to a fully infested planet or to show the Weyland/Yutani weapons program and then the application of said program to whatever the story is. For instance what/who do they want to take over with their new bio weapon?
That's kinda what I was thinking. Maybe not the home world but a planet that had been overrun and fell to the aliens. A barren wasteland where an entire worlds population had been completed decimated by the aliens. And you could play that off several ways. It could be done as a planet slap full of aliens... or that they have all but died out and all that remains is a few aliens spread sparsely across a barren hive infested planet.
It could be done as a derelict lands and eggs are deposited. Or the derelict crashes and eggs are disturbed.
Which could either be shown as quick back story for explanation of what happened. Or that could be the reason the marines are headed to that planet... To help with eradication. But because they are so far away the planets inhabitants succumb to the infestation.
This would spur heavy feelings and painful memories of her past crew mates falling to the dreaded species, prompting her to go into "ass kicker mode" again. Plus we would get to see what happens if they aren't stopped and the hive continues to multiply at a rapid rate. Maybe bring in several different hives pitting against each other for territory.
This would all be done over a couple of sequels of course.
More popcorn [emoji12]
Do you think they should leave a hiveworld for an AVP movie.
No I don't want to see hive world in avp. It was started with aliens... I want to see it stay with and end with an alien film. Now the alien homeworld (if there is such a thing) yes. I wouldn't mind seeing that in another avp film. Maybe do a screen adaptation of avp three world war. Or something to that effect.
Personally I just want to see a clan of preds capture a queen from a hive. That's the epic scene I'm waiting for.
I think the hiveworld would be in alien 6 because alien 5 would most likely be WY finding out about it that does not mean i am not worried about alien 5
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Not now, no.
No reason it couldn't once have been and the reason for all those bone-shaped rocks is because it's ancient fossilised hive material.
Yes that would be an interesting way to look at it but the question still remains how or why would you do it on LV 426? that's a bit cliche to me. I mean Blomkamp has already stated that the film will take place after the events in aliens. So if we're talking about doing an entire planet made of hive material that has been overrun with aliens then why would we go back to LV 426?
Don't get me wrong i see where you're coming from and it's not a bad idea at all. But I don't think they'd be able to use LV 426 simply because there were terraformers there for over 40 years. They would have found some type of remains of a lost civilization. Building remains, fossilized skeletal remains,... something. I would suggest a different planet for this very reason.
Maybe go back to LV 426 and find the derelict. Upon examination of the derelict (Which we've seen concept pics of) they stumble upon the coordinates of the another planet like earth. Maybe another one of those funky holographic videos where the engineers intercepted a distress beacon from this planet. Marines go to investigate and give aid but by the time they've arrived, the team back at the derelict learns that the engineers had planted the eggs on that planet and it's determined that the planet is now overrun with aliens. But because they are so far away the transmission doesn't reach the marines in time to stop them from landing.
"Over 20 years" not 40... And it took them long enough to find the derelict which was out in the open, it didn't require much looking/digging to find it.
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Not now, no.
No reason it couldn't once have been and the reason for all those bone-shaped rocks is because it's ancient fossilised hive material.
Yes that would be an interesting way to look at it but the question still remains how or why would you do it on LV 426? that's a bit cliche to me. I mean Blomkamp has already stated that the film will take place after the events in aliens. So if we're talking about doing an entire planet made of hive material that has been overrun with aliens then why would we go back to LV 426?
Don't get me wrong i see where you're coming from and it's not a bad idea at all. But I don't think they'd be able to use LV 426 simply because there were terraformers there for over 40 years. They would have found some type of remains of a lost civilization. Building remains, fossilized skeletal remains,... something. I would suggest a different planet for this very reason.
Maybe go back to LV 426 and find the derelict. Upon examination of the derelict (Which we've seen concept pics of) they stumble upon the coordinates of the another planet like earth. Maybe another one of those funky holographic videos where the engineers intercepted a distress beacon from this planet. Marines go to investigate and give aid but by the time they've arrived, the team back at the derelict learns that the engineers had planted the eggs on that planet and it's determined that the planet is now overrun with aliens. But because they are so far away the transmission doesn't reach the marines in time to stop them from landing.
"Over 20 years" not 40... And it took them long enough to find the derelict which was out in the open, it didn't require much looking/digging to find it.
Yes 20 my mistake. Thanks for correcting that. And yeah it did take them that long to find the derelict. But in the process of building the hadleys hope community you would think that during the excavation they would have found some type of remains or evidence of a past civilization. And it is possible to overlook something as large as the derelict out in the open. They found an entire Mayan city not too long ago that had been just previously overlooked. So it's possible. Unlikely....but possible.
Besides I'm sure they sent out survey teams long before the terraforming crew arrived. I feel they would have done an atmospheric survey of types. Something that would check elemental levels as well as surface scans in an attempt to find any signs of life or previous life. Don't want to terraform a planet where all the former inhabitants died from extreme radiation poisoning. Missing the derelict in these scans would be easy but missing an entire city the size of Los Angeles or new york.....well that's another story.
And that's what I'm proposing an entire planet that has fallen to the alien species. Collapsed buildings, decaying structures, etc..
Ok so before we get off on the wrong foot, let me just say that I subscribe to the idea that LV 426 was always uninhabited; just like you.
However, I don't think we can logically say xenomorphine is wrong necessarily either. There is some evidence to suggest that lv 426 was previously inhabited in some source material. The script (which I haven't personally read, but someone posted text on another forum about this same sort of topic), had language to suggest that the egg chamber was subterranean, and not actually part of the derelict craft. The movie novelization (which I also have not read, but saw excerpts from it on the same forum), says this a little more explicitly. The material seems to be suggesting that lv 426 was, or might have been, a storage facility for the eggs similar to lv 223 in prometheus. There might not have been crumbling buildings scattered around, but in prometheus most of the structures were tunnels and subterranean caverns of artificial origin. I think it's reasonable to assume civilization might have existed on lv 426 before, maybe not widely distributed, but still might have existed nonetheless. But again, I like to think lv 426 was completely barren and uninhabited.
As for your other comment, relating to scanning lv 426 to determine whether it was suitable for terraforming, this might be off topic, but when you mentioned the radiation poisoning part it reminds me a little bit about something I previously (and recently) posted. If you haven't seen it already head to the link below; I'd love to hear some feedback from you and anyone else who might be interested! :-)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53083.0
Yeah, personally I'd prefer it to have always been uninhabited, but the rock formations were designed that way deliberately. If a future story wants to reveal LV-426 once was, in ancient times, an inhabited world which was reduced to a hive-covered Lovecraftian horror, I'd be fine with that.
I don't think Hadley's Hope would have necessarily uncovered anything, though. That would assume something was exactly underneath them. If there waere, say, an ancient network of tunnels, they would have probably just registered as natural caverns.
I always go back to how, technically, the egg chamber measurements have no way to fit inside what we saw of the derelict's hull. It's actually more plausible to interpret that scene as O'Bannon intended: It's somewhere the derelict docked to, possibly hollowed out by an even more ancient civilisation. I always found it intriguing that the chamber gives the impression of going on for possibly miles around that corner.
If someone were to start excavating beneath LV-426, who knows what they might find if they looked in the right place?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 24, 2015, 08:31:24 PM
Yeah, personally I'd prefer it to have always been uninhabited, but the rock formations were designed that way deliberately. If a future story wants to reveal LV-426 once was, in ancient times, an inhabited world which was reduced to a hive-covered Lovecraftian horror, I'd be fine with that.
I don't think Hadley's Hope would have necessarily uncovered anything, though. That would assume something was exactly underneath them. If there waere, say, an ancient network of tunnels, they would have probably just registered as natural caverns.
I always go back to how, technically, the egg chamber measurements have no way to fit inside what we saw of the derelict's hull. It's actually more plausible to interpret that scene as O'Bannon intended: It's somewhere the derelict docked to, possibly hollowed out by an even more ancient civilisation. I always found it intriguing that the chamber gives the impression of going on for possibly miles around that corner.
If someone were to start excavating beneath LV-426, who knows what they might find if they looked in the right place?
I think the unidirectional winds could cause bizarre rock formations like that easily enough though. There's some bizarre rock formations on other planets too, like Utah! Haha, jk.
Yea, I always loved that scene in the egg chamber and how it appeared sooooo long! And it sort of winded back and forth a little despite the ship arcing in only one direction...
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 24, 2015, 08:31:24 PM
Yeah, personally I'd prefer it to have always been uninhabited, but the rock formations were designed that way deliberately. If a future story wants to reveal LV-426 once was, in ancient times, an inhabited world which was reduced to a hive-covered Lovecraftian horror, I'd be fine with that.
I don't think Hadley's Hope would have necessarily uncovered anything, though. That would assume something was exactly underneath them. If there waere, say, an ancient network of tunnels, they would have probably just registered as natural caverns.
I always go back to how, technically, the egg chamber measurements have no way to fit inside what we saw of the derelict's hull. It's actually more plausible to interpret that scene as O'Bannon intended: It's somewhere the derelict docked to, possibly hollowed out by an even more ancient civilisation. I always found it intriguing that the chamber gives the impression of going on for possibly miles around that corner.
If someone were to start excavating beneath LV-426, who knows what they might find if they looked in the right place?
I was more talking about the planetary scans finding signs of building ruins before the Hadley crew arrived as opposed to them finding something in the rubble. Of course a facility as large as the atmosphere processor and the hadleys hope colony. You'd think they would find something on a survey run.
Now as far as the tunnels and the egg chamber, you are correct. I was thinking strictly film not script or novelization. Now I personally haven't read either the original scripts or novel but I have been meaning to.
My point wasn't that LV 426 couldn't have been inhabited before... it was more I wouldn't expect a backstory of a decimated civilization to be done there. I kinda see it as a military staging ground or storage facility for bio weapons. So I agree it is more like LV 223 and probably any other LV planetoids in that system. I just don't see it being a civilized planet that aliens were unleashed on. Actually... maybe LV 426 was the storage depot and LV 223 was actually the science facility for the engineers. Maybe that's why in prometheus we see a couple of chambers with the goo and skeletal remains of other engineers. And on LV 426 we saw a chamber that seemed to stretch as far as you could see with eggs. Maybe the harsh environment on LV 426 is why they chose to store the eggs there as opposed to anywhere else. Maybe the lack of oxygen kept the "product" from mutating or gestation (egg morphing).
Just a thought.
On that note, I don't think the lack of oxygen would have made any difference... Otherwise the facehugger wouldn't have been able to survive once it jumped out of the egg, let alone keep Kane alive after bursting through his helmet visor...
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On that note, I don't think the lack of oxygen would have made any difference... Otherwise the facehugger wouldn't have been able to survive once it jumped out of the egg, let alone keep Kane alive after bursting through his helmet visor...
Cant aliens survive without oxygen
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Quote from: Engineer on Jul 24, 2015, 11:18:46 PM
On that note, I don't think the lack of oxygen would have made any difference... Otherwise the facehugger wouldn't have been able to survive once it jumped out of the egg, let alone keep Kane alive after bursting through his helmet visor...
Cant aliens survive without oxygen
That's what I was getting at
Pred: 'Inhabited' can mean a world full of wildlife. But even if we presupposed an advanced civilisation, it could be...
* Subterranean civilisation. Some species just prefer living beneath the ground. If the egg chamber was artificial, this might even prove that.
* Buildings on the surface, but covered by fossilised hive resin - the bone-like rocks are effectively covering what once laid beneath.
* Buildings so old, that they literally collapsed into rubble or corroded away. It's useful to keep in mind that it's only things made out of stone which are likely to last down the ages.
* A limited colony - just like Hadley's Hope was. Everywhere else being a once-thriving ecosystem. As the centuries wore on, nothing would be left.
As I say, I'd prefer if it was always uninhabited, but I also love O'Bannon's idea for what it might have once been. Especially how he wanted the planetoid to literally tie into the Lovecraftian mythos amd have the Alien a "blood-relative" of the nightmarish star gods. If a future story ever wants to show LV-426 as having once been a lot more active than we've ever seen it, the above methods could be how it's done.
By "corrosion" you mean just naturally wearing away or erosion, no rusting, right? I can get on board with that. But rusting over time, in the atmosphere, requires the process of oxidation, and the atmosphere prior to terraforming lacked any significant oxidizing agents such as oxygen... Nitrogen is essentially inert. :-).
Could be anything - including fluid. For all we know, it used to be covered in an ocean!
The geology is kind of interesting, though. I have a friend who knows a fair bit about that side of things and sent her the quote from the CMTM about Acheron. It was interesting to get her view on it. If I remember right, she said some of it was worded in an unneccessarily technical fashion, but that it basically checked out with what we saw on screen.
I will concur with that. I found it funny when ash says "inert nitrogen" in the movie when describing lv425's atmospheric composition. The "inert" part was unessessary really. But I always took it as a laymen terms type of explanation for Dallas's sake (and the audiences sake, of course, lol).
Xenomorphine, did you check out the thread I linked to before??
I did, but thought better of contributing, because I don't remember my friend's advice. :)
I'll ask her again about the geology when I next can!
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On that note, I don't think the lack of oxygen would have made any difference... Otherwise the facehugger wouldn't have been able to survive once it jumped out of the egg, let alone keep Kane alive after bursting through his helmet visor...
You could be right and of course I'm just speculating here but perhaps the aliens can survive without oxygen. And as far the facehugger supplying oxygen to kane... they may be able to transform other elements to oxygen. Kinda like how a rebreather turns carbon dioxide into oxygen.
And what I meant with the lack of oxygen in the chamber being the reason the eggs were stored there was not based on life of eggs but the mutation factor. If you remember in prometheus (god I can't believe I'm quoting this movie) once the chamber was opened and oxygen was let into the chamber, everything reacted. The walls, the containers, even the murals changed. What if the supply of oxygen either A) activates the goo and begins the transformation process. Or B) the oxygen changes the composition and development of the goo. Thus changing the final product. Instead of it being alien type A it becomes alien type B and is resilient to a different set of elements. Like a virus... change the elements it is in and the strain almost always mutates and becomes resilient to the vaccines being currently used. It adapts if you will. Then it has to be studied to see what the new strains weaknesses are. Perhaps the eggs are the same way. Stored in a controlled environment so that the engineers can maintain the type of product they desire.
Pred169- I understand you're just speculating, but I'd like to offer up some food for thought on this. If oxygen were to be a mutagenic agent for the black goo and/or the alien, then why didn't the alien mutate once on board the nostromo? Or once lv 426 was terraformed? The black goo itself is a different story; it was the mutagen itself. But if it was reactive with oxygen, why'd the engineers keep it in a facility that contained oxygen? I had heard a theory (or maybe it was more than a theory, I'm not sure) that the black goo was activated or "inspired" by the psychological state of the beings around it; in other words, it created monsters because humans were evil! I think that's silly, and I really REALLY hope that's not what Ridley Scott was trying to convey with that story element. I hope the black goo was just a weaponized version of the black goo used at the beginning of the movie...
Xenomorphine- please do contribute! Even if it's just fact checking! I don't have access to the CMTM; my primary source has been the movies and things I've heard people on the forums say regarding the scripts and novelizations. If I got a detail horribly wrong, I'd revise that 'theory' as neccessary. Worst case scenario, I'd have a rebuttal! Lol. I'm aiming for a stimulating conversation that's headed in a different direction than the typical conversations here. So if you find something I have horribly wrong; I'm not going to rage-post or anything like that!
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Could be anything - including fluid. For all we know, it used to be covered in an ocean!
The geology is kind of interesting, though. I have a friend who knows a fair bit about that side of things and sent her the quote from the CMTM about Acheron. It was interesting to get her view on it. If I remember right, she said some of it was worded in an unneccessarily technical fashion, but that it basically checked out with what we saw on screen.
Do any of you guys remember AVP 2 primal hunt who was those Aliens you fight in the beginning as a Predator.
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Pred169- I understand you're just speculating, but I'd like to offer up some food for thought on this. If oxygen were to be a mutagenic agent for the black goo and/or the alien, then why didn't the alien mutate once on board the nostromo? Or once lv 426 was terraformed? The black goo itself is a different story; it was the mutagen itself. But if it was reactive with oxygen, why'd the engineers keep it in a facility that contained oxygen? I had heard a theory (or maybe it was more than a theory, I'm not sure) that the black goo was activated or "inspired" by the psychological state of the beings around it; in other words, it created monsters because humans were evil! I think that's silly, and I really REALLY hope that's not what Ridley Scott was trying to convey with that story element. I hope the black goo was just a weaponized version of the black goo used at the beginning of the movie...
Xenomorphine- please do contribute! Even if it's just fact checking! I don't have access to the CMTM; my primary source has been the movies and things I've heard people on the forums say regarding the scripts and novelizations. If I got a detail horribly wrong, I'd revise that 'theory' as neccessary. Worst case scenario, I'd have a rebuttal! Lol. I'm aiming for a stimulating conversation that's headed in a different direction than the typical conversations here. So if you find something I have horribly wrong; I'm not going to rage-post or anything like that!
Who's to say it didn't? Maybe the creature we saw wasn't what the engineers had intended. Maybe the alien WAS the mutation. Maybe it was supposed to look like the ultramorph or something to that effect. And if that be the case that would also explain why all aliens turned out like they did on LV 426. Same base but slightly different than the first we saw because as it gestated inside kane he was exposed to both the non oxygenated environment in the chamber and the high oxygen area or sterile environment on the nostromo. The ones that gestated after terraforming were only exposed to oxygenated environment. May explain subtle differences.
The engineers didn't keep the goo canisters in an oxygenated environment. They were kept in a chamber void of oxygen. That's why when the door opened to the chamber the murals on the wall changed. If I'm not mistaken David actually said something to that effect, that the murals were changing do to the oxygen.
Ok, you got me there! :-)
But I prefer to think of it as the alien is not a mutation; it just is what it is. The black goo from prometheus I don't even like to think about! Lol
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Ok, you got me there! :-)
But I prefer to think of it as the alien is not a mutation; it just is what it is. The black goo from prometheus I don't even like to think about! Lol
Haha I hear you there. I hate that I had to quote it. Felt like ace ventura afterwards pouring toothpaste in my mouth...setting my clothes on fire before taking a cold shower...plunger to the mouth. [emoji23]
But I rather enjoyed your point of view as well. It was nice to have a good debate without someone going into rage mode.
I don't think it was properly explained why the walls began to change. There was air in there, otherwise there would have been a veritable explosive decompression. :) And if there hadn't been any oxygen in there, it would have taken a while before they could breathe it.
It seemed more like a security system activating upon sensing the door was forced open. Storm seemed just as deliberate.
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Quote from: Engineer on Jul 27, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
Ok, you got me there! :-)
But I prefer to think of it as the alien is not a mutation; it just is what it is. The black goo from prometheus I don't even like to think about! Lol
Haha I hear you there. I hate that I had to quote it. Felt like ace ventura afterwards pouring toothpaste in my mouth...setting my clothes on fire before taking a cold shower...plunger to the mouth. [emoji23]
But I rather enjoyed your point of view as well. It was nice to have a good debate without someone going into rage mode.
Dido! :-). Yea I always feel a sense of guilt whe I use prometheus in a debate! It almost feels like I'm cheating on alien! Haha, jk. But more seriously, prometheus just muddied the waters more than anything...
Xenomorphine- what do you mean by the storm seemed deliberate?! As in, a security measure activated a weather-based weapon system?!?
That was the impression I got. The timing seemed too coincidental.
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That was the impression I got. The timing seemed too coincidental.
Hmmm... Interesting thought.
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Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 28, 2015, 01:20:41 AM
That was the impression I got. The timing seemed too coincidental.
Hmmm... Interesting thought.
Very interesting. I never really considered that. It's possible. U.S. has been working on the H.A.A.R.P. project for awhile now and can supposedly trigger violent natural disasters on cue in certain locations. Now granted I never considered that part of the movie deliberate. I though they knew the storm was on the horizon and that's why they had a certain window of time to work with. I'll have to watch it again.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 27, 2015, 07:27:22 PM
I don't think it was properly explained why the walls began to change. There was air in there, otherwise there would have been a veritable explosive decompression. :) And if there hadn't been any oxygen in there, it would have taken a while before they could breathe it.
It seemed more like a security system activating upon sensing the door was forced open. Storm seemed just as deliberate.
Not all airtight rooms have an explosive concussion when exposed to oxygen. In fact most operating rooms in a hospital are airtight. And the room where they keep the sterilized instruments is pressurized and all oxygen is removed. Yet there isn't an explosive force when opened. Another example would be a static free room at a computer chip factory. Alot of static free rooms are also lower oxygen content. And as far as it taking awhile before they can breath in the room.....no. once a room is flooded with oxygen it is breathable. It may be lower oxygen and will feel heavier and harder to breath for a few seconds but this dissipates after a few seconds as the air enters the room. The worst they could expect would be a popping or ringing of the ears or shortness of breath for a bit.
Hospital rooms still do have air in them.
The sheer size of the chamber would have mandated a while before someone could just walk in and casually breathe, if there had been no oxygen, I would have thought. It was huge - and led off into those other tunnels.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 31, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Hospital rooms still do have air in them.
The sheer size of the chamber would have mandated a while before someone could just walk in and casually breathe, if there had been no oxygen, I would have thought. It was huge - and led off into those other tunnels.
Operating rooms not standard hospital rooms. And yes O.R. still have oxygen just a lower content. The instrument rooms however do not have oxygen to them when closed. They are kept oxygen free for sterilization purposes.
As far as the room and the tunnels. Like i said once flooded with oxygen its pretty much instantaneous. Its not like a fart that lingers and takes its time to reach the other side of the room. Oxygen reacts very quickly. Like i said the most they would experience would be shortness of breath and ears popping and ringing. I don't remember the room leading into other tunnels though. I'll have to rewatch it and see.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 28, 2015, 01:20:41 AM
That was the impression I got. The timing seemed too coincidental.
It could just be bad writing.
If the movie tanks, that quote is going to resonate within the internet like a plague. Damn.
Wasn't it also finchers dream to direct an alien movie ?? Wasn't it also spaihts and lindeloff's dream to be involved in an alien movie ??
Sorry if I sound negative.
I don't know enough to know how good a director he is. Why not fincher ?? Why gamble on an inexperienced director ? Apart from prometheus no other alien movie has ever been directed by an experience established (movie) director (at the time the movie was made) or was fincher an established director ?
I just hope he puts the welfare of the fans and canonical consistency/decent writing above his desire to fulfill said childhood dream.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 26, 2015, 07:31:04 PM
Why not fincher ??
Doubt Fincher would touch the Alien franchise with a 10 foot barge pole again.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 26, 2015, 07:31:04 PM
Why gamble on an inexperienced director ? Apart from prometheus no other alien movie has ever been directed by an experience established (movie) director (at the time the movie was made) or was fincher an established director ?
Fincher had only directed music videos up until he got the Alien 3 gig.
Scott and Cameron had only directed one feature film each before Alien and Aliens.
Alien 5 would be Blomkamp's fourth major feature film.
Eighth passenger
So basically he is statistically the most established director to direct an Alien franchise movie. ?
At the time of the making of the movie.
Is he a good director ??
Correct. Well, not including the director of Alien: Resurrection, I think.
And why does he get to write the script ?? Why not hire a scriptwriter ??
Maybe things will change later on.
Sorry for the rant.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 26, 2015, 09:05:10 PM
Eighth passenger
So basically he is statistically the most established director to direct an Alien franchise movie. ?
Technically he would have more experience than Scott, Cameron and Fincher combined when they worked on their Alien films.
QuoteIs he a good director ??
He got an Oscar nom for D9 and won several other awards. Elysium and Chappie didn't quite reach the critically acclaimed heights of his debut effort but they still made money. No bombs yet.
Then I stand corrected.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 26, 2015, 09:15:46 PM
And why does he get to write the script ?? Why not hire a scriptwriter ??
Because he is also a script writer.
It's his weak point IMHO and I do hope he has some help with it but as a director he always makes gorgeous films.
Corporal Hicks
" I do hope he has some help with it"
Why take a gamble on it ?? Shouldn't Fox ensure that he definitely has that help ?? Is there not a person at fox who looks at this kind of thing ?? Maybe they are just testing the water for now and perhaps as as with Ridley in Prometheus they might take decision to change things if they are not satisfied. Just the vibes of all of this is very iffy and maybe and uncertain.
At the end of the day we know very little at the minute. If I was Fox I would have him have help with it. Neill has commented on writing being his weakest point before so he's well aware of it.
Oh dear I see another bad moon rising.
Hope this is not gonna be another Prometheus and then the director must take the flack.
I digress......
I wouldn't get doom and gloom about it yet. It's good he's aware of his strengths and weaknesses.
:) :) :) :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neill_Blomkamp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neill_Blomkamp)
1. Blomkamp was 18 when he moved to Vancouver with his family, where he enrolled in Vancouver Film School.
2. In the late 1990s, he started working in the film industry as a 3D animator. His animation credits include Stargate SG-1 (1998), First Wave (1998), Mercy Point (1998) and Aftershock: Earthquake in New York (1999). In 2000, he garnered his first role of lead animator for the Dark Angel TV series (2000). He was the lead 3D animator for 3000 Miles to Graceland (2001)
3. Blomkamp has admitted since that the Halo pre-production was a nightmare, and relations between 20th Century Fox and Blomkamp severely disintegrated before the project's end.
Impressive . He and fox has had dealings in the past.
Quote from: oduodu on Aug 27, 2015, 09:59:00 AM
Blomkamp has admitted since that the Halo pre-production was a nightmare, and relations between 20th Century Fox and Blomkamp severely disintegrated before the project's end.
Impressive . He and fox has had dealings in the past.
Yeah, I was initially surprised to hear he pitched another project to Fox. Once bitten....
But apparently his main beef was with Tom Rothman who was then the Chairman and CEO of Fox. Tom is now the CEO of Sony Pictures and Blomkamp's last three films were all Sony Pictures films so looks like he basically jumped ship with regards to studios.
It is also rumored that Tom Rothman was the person who requested that the Xenomorph be removed from Prometheus which could well be true since he apparently has a history of meddling with films.
Rothman. It's never good news when I hear his name.
How is things with the current CEO at Fox ??
Quote from: NickisSmart on Aug 26, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Correct. Well, not including the director of Alien: Resurrection, I think.
A total of two films including
Delicatessen in
1991 and
City of Lost Children in
1995.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Pierre_Jeunet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Pierre_Jeunet)