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Title: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 01, 2015, 01:16:31 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/)
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:17:21 AM
"Contacted" can mean literally anything.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Wobblyboddle77 on Mar 01, 2015, 01:23:33 AM
Awesome, thanks for that info, Beihn is a down to earth guy and has always had time for the fans.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 01:24:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:17:21 AM
"Contacted" can mean literally anything.

Agreed. Just because he has been contacted, doesn't guarantee that he'll be in the movie.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 01:24:43 AM
If he's smiling, it's probably the director who's done it and filled him in a little on the story.

Remember, he had a really bad experience with doing the recent computer game stuff... From what he said about that, it seemed like he had absolutely no interest in ever doing something like that again, unless someone could convince him it would feel genuinely rewarding.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2015, 01:30:17 AM
uh-huh. Is that wedding bells I hear? No? That's just the xenomorph that's about to explode from the wedding cake? I bet the movie ends in matrimony.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:35:03 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 01:24:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:17:21 AM
"Contacted" can mean literally anything.

Agreed. Just because he has been contacted, doesn't guarantee that he'll be in the movie.
Or what his being in the movie would even mean, if he's in it. Someone else brought up the Terminator 2 Kyle Reese dream sequence in another thread.

Shit, do we even know that Sigourney Weaver is going to be in this movie? Has she confirmed it, or is everyone just assuming it?
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: SiL on Mar 01, 2015, 01:36:49 AM
She said nothing's definite yet.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:43:30 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2015, 01:36:49 AM
She said nothing's definite yet.
That's what I thought. I seemed to recall a video interview where she was asked point-blank if she was going to be in it, and she dodged the question.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 01, 2015, 01:49:20 AM
read the comments

"He just walked by me and I said, " Alien 5, you gonna do it!?" To which he replied, "Looks like it!" and smiled."

Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 01, 2015, 01:49:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 01:24:43 AM
Remember, he had a really bad experience with doing the recent computer game stuff... From what he said about that, it seemed like he had absolutely no interest in ever doing something like that again, unless someone could convince him it would feel genuinely rewarding.

I could tell. Watched some of the cutscenes from A:CM yesterday. I know the game was bad, but I was unprepared for just how atrocious it is.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 01, 2015, 01:53:33 AM
I think he just hated CM, cant blame him, but this is different than a voice over
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Kel G 426 on Mar 01, 2015, 02:27:16 AM
Can anyone vouch for the credibility of this source?
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:29:08 AM
It's Reddit, so of course not.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: windebieste on Mar 01, 2015, 03:13:33 AM
Who cares if it's Reddit.  Biehn will do it. 

You can bet he has been contacted by Fox.  Fox see him as a major drawcard for the Project.  So many people want to see Hicks return and considering who he is in relation to the Project, he could name his own price.  Hell, Fox wouldn't balk if he nominated a seven figure fee.  Even if the movie is utter rubbish - which is the real risk here - it will make bank on opening week.  Fox will ensure that happens by getting Biehn on board.

Biehn is already In as far as I am concerned.  Can you actually not see him negotiate a phat cheque with Fox for this movie? 

Hell.  Make it 8 figures while you're at it. 

As to whether Biehn's inevitable re-appearance is a good thing for the overall 'ALIEN' series, this has yet to be proven.  This is a dicey Project in so many ways.  The potential retconning of 2 movies.  Bringing back older actors that may not fit into these roles any more since 30 years have passed.  A rabid unforgiving fanbase of conservatives that can't move on...

Yeah.  This is gon b gud.  ...at least watching the development of this thing unfold will be, that is.  lol.

Returning Ripley and Hicks to this series in 1988 would have been a great idea.  ...but now, it's 30 years later and, well, I'm not so sure it's a great idea in so many ways.

I am very, very cautious about this one. 

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 01, 2015, 03:35:30 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 01, 2015, 03:13:33 AM
So many people want to see Hicks return and considering who he is in relation to the Project, he could name his own price.  Hell, Fox wouldn't balk if he nominated a seven figure fee. 

I think he would play it safe after the last time he had to accept a paycheque from an Alien movie.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: SiL on Mar 01, 2015, 03:37:36 AM
The last time he had to accept a paycheck from an Alien movie he got more for doing nothing than he did for a starring role in the previous film. Precedent's set; they want him in, they pay his price.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 01, 2015, 04:35:36 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:29:08 AM
It's Reddit, so of course not.

Someone on reddit also leaked alien isolation development and was right. Just becasue its not some big fancy news site doesnt mean it isnt all bullshit
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 04:41:03 AM
Yeah, but the signal to noise ratio on Reddit is so high that it doesn't matter. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Anyone can post anything on reddit, so I'd file it under "bullshit until proven otherwise". It COULD be true, but right now it's completely unsubstantiated.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 01, 2015, 05:33:16 AM
I wouldnt be surprised at this point if it was true. I'm betting after what happened to him in alien 3 he expected CM to be the role he always wanted but signed on without reading up on any of it, and sees this as what CM promised him and what he always wanted in alien 3. He probably spoke to Niel and after hearing Weaver signed on figured he had a good enough idea, and niel probably pitched his idea to him
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: windebieste on Mar 01, 2015, 09:44:07 AM
He'll do it for the money.  You watch. 

Who cares what people on Reddit think.  Do you really think Fox hasn't approached him regarding this role?  REALLY??? 

Of course Fox have asked if he's interested.  He'll take it, too; because the amount he will be paid, well, no one would say 'no.'

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 01, 2015, 09:54:54 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 01, 2015, 09:44:07 AM
He'll do it for the money.  You watch.
Show him the money! Micheal Biehn is now a corporate man?
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 01, 2015, 09:44:07 AMOf course Fox have asked if he's interested.  He'll take it, too; because the amount he will be paid, well, no one would say 'no.'

I didn't realise you were a Fox insider and had the scoop on what exactly they're planning at this stage.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 01, 2015, 11:33:38 AM
Blomkamp recently added Biehn to his list of people/companies that he is following on Twitter. Interesting considering that Blomkamp only has 12 others that he's following.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 04:20:07 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:43:30 AM
That's what I thought. I seemed to recall a video interview where she was asked point-blank if she was going to be in it, and she dodged the question.

That's probably because contractual wranglings have yet to begin. Once her agent/manager have dealt with it, she'll be more open about the final decision. But considering the interviews she's given, thus far - and how she's said she's "looking forward" to reprising the character, I think it's all but a done deal.

Plus, Fox know how Weaver's inclusion helped to gain some hype for 'Alien Isolation'.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 01, 2015, 04:37:47 PM
Had to change the thread title, as there's no official announcement yet.
Title: Re: Michael beihn will be in Alien 5
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Mar 01, 2015, 04:41:28 PM
I'm so against 'dragging out the old toys' for a sequel (because they're dead!)... but on the flipside, I'm so happy for Beihn. Guy's had a bum deal for a while now.

And anyone accusing him of 'doing it for the money' needs to wake up. The man's a working actor; he'll do it for the money same as I do my job for the money. Doesn't mean he doesnt want to see a good film come out of it.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 01, 2015, 04:44:39 PM
I don't really understand this attitude from some people -- this is a lazy movie done for the money! The actors are in it only for the money! Etc. -- it's a piss poor argument, as every film ever since the beginning of the film industry is designed to make money as one of its production rules (otherwise it wouldn't get made); and actors are paid artists. Of course they do it for the money. That's their bloody job.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 01, 2015, 07:13:41 PM
AS oppose to this as i am, new alien 3 basically, I think i would love to see Hicks with Wilks(hicks earthwar trilogy)  attitude
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 01, 2015, 04:44:39 PM
I don't really understand this attitude from some people -- this is a lazy movie done for the money! The actors are in it only for the money! Etc. -- it's a piss poor argument, as every film ever since the beginning of the film industry is designed to make money as one of its production rules (otherwise it wouldn't get made); and actors are paid artists. Of course they do it for the money. That's their bloody job.

This
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 07:57:10 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 01, 2015, 04:44:39 PMI don't really understand this attitude from some people -- this is a lazy movie done for the money! The actors are in it only for the money! Etc.

Me either. While I don't like the idea of where this film may be going, it doesn't strike me as a cash-grabbing exercise. It seems like it was the idea that spawned the film, rather than a desire for money.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: windebieste on Mar 01, 2015, 09:25:37 PM
Yep.  You said it.  It's a cash grab.

Just like his work in 'A:CM' was  a cash grab.

Grab the monehs and run.  F*ck yeah.  I'd do it.

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: acrediblesource on Mar 01, 2015, 09:26:30 PM
I think there are ways to make movies FLAWLESS even though the heart and soul is missing. If people assume the obvious that it is a cash grab then I say so be it. What is a cash grab? Avengers and the Avengers sequel, Captain america and CAP AP 2 winter soldier. Iron man ,1,2 and 3. So WTF? Alien 5 comes out, and everyone is like BOOO hisssssss.
There are alot of Marvel fanboys out there that are going they trashed their beloved characters but the movies were POLISHED poop.
I for one aren't expecting a great script but if they put flawless aliens in there then I'm game for a late night show.

WHy? Because there hasn't been an XENOMORPH movie in years and if they don't make one now, there will never be one.
HEnse, why Ridley Scott is producing.
Tada!
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Adam802 on Mar 01, 2015, 09:33:30 PM
The difference between Alien V and ACM is that Blomkamp is an actual fan who genuinely gives a f**k about the franchise.  The shills at gearbox who wrote ACM were a bunch of c**ts who couldnt care less obviously. 

Biehn was actually disappointed with ACM (like the rest of us).  He was quoted as saying that the guys at GBX had "obviously no passion" or something along those lines.  He WANTED to do ACM and bring hicks back and was passionate and excited for it bs he wanted hicks back ever since 1992.  But he knew from reading the lines written for him in ACM that it was garbage. (as did we, when we heard them in game.) 

So even though hes probably doing this for money(like every actor in every movie), hes also personally passionate and into it.  I highly doubt hes doing it ONLY for the money.  Biehn is a genuine fan.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Mar 01, 2015, 09:33:30 PMThe shills at gearbox who wrote ACM were a bunch of c**ts who couldnt care less obviously.

...who repeatedly and emphatically said they were huge fans.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Adam802 on Mar 01, 2015, 09:48:02 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Mar 01, 2015, 09:33:30 PMThe shills at gearbox who wrote ACM were a bunch of c**ts who couldnt care less obviously.

...who repeatedly and emphatically said they were huge fans.

Yeah, bunch of liars.  They wont even acknowledge the game's existence now.  Probably for the best........cowards.......
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 09:52:12 PM
Correct, Gearbox is the worst.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 01, 2015, 10:19:17 PM
Randy pitchfork jokes about how awful the game is.. i will never buy another gearbox game
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 01, 2015, 11:37:41 PM
I've seen a few people on facebook who were also at the con and asked the same question. He answered, "Most likely."


Quote from: acrediblesource on Mar 01, 2015, 09:26:30 PM
I think there are ways to make movies FLAWLESS even though the heart and soul is missing. If people assume the obvious that it is a cash grab then I say so be it. What is a cash grab? Avengers and the Avengers sequel, Captain america and CAP AP 2 winter soldier. Iron man ,1,2 and 3. So WTF? Alien 5 comes out, and everyone is like BOOO hisssssss.

The Alien fandom, frankly, is very jaded by now. For a good deal of them there hasn't been a good film in the series for almost 30 years now.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Ledgic on Mar 02, 2015, 12:38:45 AM
Lets all be real, Blomkamp is gonna revive the franchise and give us a rightful sequel to aliens even so if the fanbase is jaded. I think blomkamp is the best guy for the job and scott producing is a cherry on top. Now the waiting
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Steven Millan on Mar 02, 2015, 12:47:03 AM
  Nice to see that Michael Biehn is going to be included in Neill Blomkamp's new ALIEN film,since his career has been on a severe downslide as of late(with the terrible films he's done with his wife Jennifer Blanc),and this ALIEN film is a positive step in the right direction for the series,something that the HALLOWEEN series sorely needs to fully resurrect it back to life(from the massive damage that's been done to it by the Weinstein Brothers,the assorted hack filmmakers[that have directed the films since Part 5]),and Rob Zombie[who has no clue about the fascinating mystique that Michael Myers has that allures fans to him]).
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 01:12:28 AM
Blomkamp's whole career exists because of his love of all that is Alien and Aliens once could say.  His love for the films informed his career choice, his genre choice and his sensibilities.  There is no guarantee that he will do a good job, but I want this Frodo to carry the ring as best as he can.

Michael Biehn loved his Hicks character and I think it really devastated him as a person that he did not get to continue the character as the natural progression of the story would have indicated.  I don't think he's in it for the money though I hope he gets a TON of it.  He's in it for vindication and he will give everything in his soul to play this part right if it happens.  I can't wait to see him return as Hicks.  If anyone deserves this second chance, its Michael Biehn.  I hope you embrace it folks.

As for Blomkamp, once again I don't think it's about the money.  I mean yes, if he succeeds he will reap the rewards, but it is clear to me that this is a life long dream for this guy.  Does anyone here know what it takes to have a dream and to have the will and the determination to move heaven and earth to get to a stage where you attain it?  He became a sci-fi director precisely for this moment.  I want to support him in this quest, because that's the kind of person I want at the helm.  He should have this one good chance and I hope we all put differences aside and support him.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2015, 01:25:34 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 01:12:28 AM
He became a sci-fi director precisely for this moment.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. Blomkamp is most at home making smaller films a la District 9 and Chappie where he has total control. Elysium started out as a smaller project in the same vein, but as it went on he decided to go big with it so that he could essentially have a big Hollywood cinematic experience under his belt.

After the troubled production of Halo he essentially said that he would never work in an established universe again. Obviously that has changed (in interviews over the years he mellowed out a bit on the subject, and now he's obviously doing an Alien film). Aliens, The Terminator, RoboCop, etc. are all huge influences on his career, like you said, but I don't think he broke into the industry with explicit plans of making films in any of those franchises. It just happened to work out that way in this case when he came up with an idea for an Alien film he felt was worth pursuing. He's clearly been inspired by all of these films (just watch any of his features, or even his shorts, and you'll undoubtedly see it), and I'm sure that that inspiration will be evident here as well, but the way it seems to me he'll probably go back to doing smaller films for the majority of his career after this unless he really winds up shifting gears. Which is, admittedly, entirely possible. Though I don't think it's likely. I really hope to see his Mild Oats project come to life some day, at least.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: daabbot on Mar 02, 2015, 01:58:59 AM
it broke my heart when i went to the movies and corporal hicks had been killed. it took me many years to accept alien 3 because of it. very happy to hear that they are going to write him back into the new film.  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Gridseeker on Mar 02, 2015, 02:03:03 AM
Hell yeah! If God exixts there would be some justice for Michael and his character in Aliens.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:12:52 AM
Quote from: Gridseeker on Mar 02, 2015, 02:03:03 AM
Hell yeah! If God exixts there would be some justice for Michael and his character in Aliens.

He does exist, and I'm sure he has more important things on his plate, but Michael Biehn was my favorite actor for many years and I wish for him this second chance.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: T Dog on Mar 02, 2015, 02:13:22 AM
Kind of come around to the idea of Michael Biehn being in this.

The only thing I'd ask is that they keep it as contrivance free as possible - no dreams, no broken hibernation pods - just set it 25 years after the events of Aliens. They made it home safely and tried to continue on with their lives as best they could. You could fill in the gaps of what happened in that time through dialogue but it would also be a good way to have the characters change with all that time having passed.

The alternative way is to simply use Ripley 8 and have no Hicks.

Part me wants to see an alternative Alien 3 with Hicks in it but the other part of me, the part that actually likes the extended cut of Alien 3 would like to see it being maintained and then have Blomkamp make something good out of the set up of the Ripley clone in Resurection.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 02, 2015, 02:16:09 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:12:52 AM
Quote from: Gridseeker on Mar 02, 2015, 02:03:03 AM
Hell yeah! If God exixts there would be some justice for Michael and his character in Aliens.

He does exist, and I'm sure he has more important things on his plate, but Michael Biehn was my favorite actor for many years and I wish for him this second chance.

Please, no politics- especially stuff that makes certain people very angry.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Vers on Mar 02, 2015, 03:07:04 AM
Let's hope we get confirmation soon.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 02, 2015, 03:50:00 AM
I mean, I'm happy for him but what a debacle.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: windebieste on Mar 02, 2015, 04:33:17 AM
Quote from: Gridseeker on Mar 02, 2015, 02:03:03 AM
Hell yeah! If God exixts there would be some justice for Michael and his character in Aliens.

Fox approaches Biehn because he will help sell the movie and Fox stands to make bank just on his name in the credits alone.

There's just one problem with this, when you look at his involvement in this series he hasn't exactly been treated well.  Biehn was paid bugger all for 'ALIENS', a movie that Fox constantly makes money from DVD, BluRay and merchandise sales.  He was paid more for his image to be included in 'ALIEN 3', a film he has openly condemned and has no love for.  He also has no love for how he was treated during his contribution to GBX's 'A:CM'.  Does he show any love for this series at all?  Does he have any reason to..? Not by the looks of it.

Remember, he didn't audition for the role of Hicks in this upcoming movie.  He (most likely) has been approached by Fox directly which means they want him.   Taking into consideration that Biehn has had a rough time with this series and Fox want him to play Hicks it makes sense to me that Biehn will hold out his hand for as much as he can possibly get out of Fox.  He certainly isn't going be playing sweet angel and do it for free.  ...or cheap.    Hell, he won't even accept standard actor's rates for this role this time around.  That's for sure.  It's beyond that kind of negotiation negotiation now.

Biehn holds the cards now and he'll take as much money as he can get from Fox.  You want your retribution?  Then just hope that Biehn takes the bastards for as big a ride as possible.  8 figure fee.  Minimum.  Under the conditions Biehn is in, I would certainly exploit Fox as much as possible.

After all, is Hicks going to be in this movie or not?  What do you think Biehn will want for it..?  We're not talking pizza and beer money here. 

Cash grab..? sure.  I'm all for it, Biehn.  In this instance there's nothing wrong with it.  Screw those corporate dogs at Fox for all they're worth for the way he's been treated.  Any unreasonable sum of money is appropriate.  LOL.  Nothing else is going to satisfy him now. 

Not after he's had 30 years of bullshit from Fox. 

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 04:44:38 AM
I never understood the reverence people have for Michael Biehn.  In Aliens, he really doesn't do much.  After he gets injured by acid, he's out for the count for the rest of the movie.

Dillon from Alien 3 is more of a badass and interesting character to me.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Mar 02, 2015, 05:29:38 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 04:44:38 AM
I never understood the reverence people have for Michael Biehn.  In Aliens, he really doesn't do much.  After he gets injured by acid, he's out for the count for the rest of the movie.

Dillon from Alien 3 is more of a badass and interesting character to me.

People are butthurt that he died in Alien 3 and that's pretty much the only reason they want him back. AT least from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Chris!(($$))! on Mar 02, 2015, 05:36:10 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 04:44:38 AM
I never understood the reverence people have for Michael Biehn.  In Aliens, he really doesn't do much.  After he gets injured by acid, he's out for the count for the rest of the movie.

Dillon from Alien 3 is more of a badass and interesting character to me.

Though I'm agree with you that Dillon was a great and bad ass character I have to disagree with Hicks being as you made him out to be. His character essentially takes command once Ripley and others remind him that he is next in command once Apone is KIA and Gormon is incapacitated.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: SiL on Mar 02, 2015, 06:54:31 AM
No he doesn't. He just says "Yeah, sure" to whatever Ripley suggests. He might as well have died when he got sprayed by acid. He does nothing else the rest of the movie.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 02, 2015, 07:36:26 AM
He was defacto Ripley's main squeeze. Plus I think most of us wanted them to live happily ever after. Of course this is the alien universe and happiness is strictly forbidden, apparently.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 02, 2015, 07:42:09 AM
I honestly think you're being a bit harsh on the poor guy. Afterall, I think you're missing the point, that Alien, isn't about the characters. That may sound angering, but its true. Alien, is a postmodern look at an old modernist horror story. The, It! Terror From Beyond Space!

If you want to talk about characters, the characters in Alien weren't all that interesting. But it was the environment that made them interesting! The same goes with Hicks. Even Ripley, is not that interesting of a character, it is, the art itself that is interesting. The whole piece. Ripley wouldn't be anything if Weaver gave the same performance in a dark star budgeted film with aluminum hallways that was hardly different than The Thing From Another World and all its countless knock offs.

Hicks' character is, The Gun, that is the point. He is, The Cool Gun, and it works perfectly in Aliens because, again, Alien is a wholly postmodern series. Vasquez is Cool Girl Gun, Bishop is The Scientist , Hudson is Coward Gun, the other marines are Fodder Guns, Ripley is Scorned Mom, Newt is Innocent Child, and all the background characters are Background Foliage (The Colonists being, Ouch Foliage)

The same could be said of the characters of Alien. Ripley is Tough Girl, Ash is The Scientist , Dallas is Average Man, Kane is Friendly Man, Lambert is Cynic Girl, Parker is Bitter Mechanic, Brett is Worn Mechanic. All of them have associated implications about their archatypes in the more indepth world of Alien, but without that world, they would hardly have depth.

Also what you need to take into account is what James Cameron set out to achieve with Aliens. Just like Alien was a postmodern take on The Thing From Outer Space! and It! Terror From Beyond Space!, Aliens set out to achieve with the technical science fiction, and action science fiction, and military science fiction, and shoot em up genre. So, you cannot expect a postmodern take from the 80's, on that, to have exceptionally deep marines. But from the trope of what Hicks is, Hicks is interesting in what they leave out. He is a blank slate character aside from the trope-y pulpy delivery, which imply enough to build from there. But you shouldn't build too hard, you just need achieve what Ripley was made into from Alien to Aliens, which fit into the demands set by Alien for a successful pomo sequel.

Am I saying Alien is doomed to be formulaic? Yes and no. It should be formulaic, because its a string off a very formulaic genre. The characterss are just always, part of the entire postmodern take, but they're terrific in what they do. Characters in Alien need to be relatable archetypes, or else it fails what it sets out to achieve. Hicks is perfectly fine, and honestly I'm interested what they do with him.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Tusky on Mar 02, 2015, 08:58:18 AM
Yeah was disappointed when Hicks and Newt died in A3.
But that doesn't take away the fact that I enjoyed it and A:RES.
But I still had the "what if..." like alot of ALIEN fans.

The first two Dark horse comic series answered that nicely. ..but A3 changed that.
When I heard Hicks was back in ACM I was excited and waited for the game.
Unlike alot of people I loved the game (still play it nearly everyday if I can)

Michael Biehn has had a rough road in the ALIEN saga.
Do I hope his passion had not been completely extinguished.

I hope ACM is still canon.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 02, 2015, 07:36:26 AM
He was defacto Ripley's main squeeze. Plus I think most of us wanted them to live happily ever after. Of course this is the alien universe and happiness is strictly forbidden, apparently.

Ripley and Clemens had more of a connection if you want to talk about romantic subplots.  But no one really cared when he died.  I also thought Clemens was more of an interesting character, and the way they both learned to trust one another despite lying about their pasts was better done than the interaction between Ripley/Hicks.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 10:27:16 AMI also thought Clemens was more of an interesting character, and the way they both learned to trust one another despite lying about their pasts was better done than the interaction between Ripley/Hicks.

I'd actually go along with that. Clemens was far more intriguing than Hicks (and Dance probably gave the better acting performance). Sadly he was killed off way too soon. I mean, yeah, that was the point of the film and all, but still, he was dead before the halfway stage and was missed afterwards.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Sagit on Mar 02, 2015, 10:49:40 AM
I just want to know one thing... where they are? No but seriously why do movie makers have to complicate almost every franchise? Previous four Alien movies told us pretty good and actualy solid story (Resurrection was weak I know). Why there has to be a spin-off, prequel to the prequel, alternate story/endings? Is it so hard to come up with new good plot for ALien 5. If director of ALien 5 is out of ideas he should just ask people on this forum. He will be given an inifinite amount of material to work on for next 10 years without making an alternate version of story we all love and bringing our beloved heroes from their retirement.
Just give us new characters and new story and make it into solid Alien movie without alle this alternate BS. I don;t mind a little Ripley cameo but leave the Hicks alone. He is dead (A:CM plot was so weak that nobody should consider it canon), deal with it.
Just some thoughts...
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: szkoki on Mar 02, 2015, 11:02:54 AM
oh my soap opera. its ridicilous. bring back Hudson and Parker too
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: SiL on Mar 02, 2015, 11:04:19 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 10:27:16 AM
But no one really cared when he died.
Most people find him one of the few good characters in the movie and hate that he dies when he does.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 02, 2015, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 10:27:16 AM
romantic subplots.

"Hi, i'm Ripley. Everyone I know has died, including my daughter, and a little girl who became my new surrogate daughter. Wanna f*ck?!"

Yeah, I didn't really think the attempt at "romance" worked in Alien 3. I did like the relationship between the two characters though, and as SiL said his death really threw me off. Not in a good way either, because the film, the theatrical version anyway, has a real lack of solid characters. After they take out Andrews, too, the film suffers greatly from only having, basically, three solidly defined characters.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: robbritton on Mar 02, 2015, 11:26:38 AM
Isn't Hicks relatively unique in the canon in that he pretty much just believes Ripley? From the word go he is listening, and is unlikely to attribute her stories to space sickness (as Clemens, entirely reasonably, might). Where the other Marines are bull headed he is quiet and contained. Which is an interseting thing to play in that world. Someone level headed who out and out agrees with Ripley, and someone capable who doesn't contradict her instints, but rather enables them.

And his is an experience (were he to survive) unexplored in the series too. We've had a person lose fractious crewmates and a child to time, but this is a person losing real, genuine camaraderie but also gaining a new unit. The idea of the surrogate family unit in a world that knows these things exist -  Does that make you more or less out to exterminate them? Ripley never has anything to lose after Alien (especially after Hicks and Newt are killed offscreen). If Hicks's sole function is to present a different side of her - a woman with a lot to lose still after these things - then that is still import enough.

And take it to Earth War places, and there are opportunities for conflict in how these survivors deal with their survival. There are stories to tell here that could justify this decision, as long as it isn't just done for the sake of it. From Fox's point of view it makes sense to draft in a fan favourite who could shoulder future films should Weaver want to bow out too. It's not like Michael Biehn is going to refuse a high profile series after getting stiffed on A3, T2 and Avatar, is it? There's money in series, and familiar faces bring audiences back.


I wouldn't put his odds high on surviving this one, mind. It's card trick thinking, innit? Everyone will be so wary of the fact he dies in A3 that they'll be certain he'll survive this one, which means Blomkamp is likely to undermine that certainty for shock effect. Although, I can see Hicks living on with Newt while Ripley finally goes (which is super pointless as they did it in A3, but there we are). Conjecture is the best.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2015, 11:04:19 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 10:27:16 AM
But no one really cared when he died.
Most people find him one of the few good characters in the movie and hate that he dies when he does.

That's true but I don't see the legions of fans bawling about it like they do with Hicks.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 02, 2015, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 10:27:16 AM
romantic subplots.

"Hi, i'm Ripley. Everyone I know has died, including my daughter, and a little girl who became my new surrogate daughter. Wanna f*ck?!"

Yeah, I didn't really think the attempt at "romance" worked in Alien 3. I did like the relationship between the two characters though, and as SiL said his death really threw me off. Not in a good way either, because the film, the theatrical version anyway, has a real lack of solid characters. After they take out Andrews, too, the film suffers greatly from only having, basically, three solidly defined characters.

I don't even count the theatrical version anymore..

And I don't really call it 'romance' in the traditional sense.  I don't think the fact they had sex was really a big deal.

Quote from: robbritton on Mar 02, 2015, 11:26:38 AM
Isn't Hicks relatively unique in the canon in that he pretty much just believes Ripley? From the word go he is listening, and is unlikely to attribute her stories to space sickness (as Clemens, entirely reasonably, might).

Clemens did listen to Ripley, hence doing the autopsy on Newt and investigating the burn mark where Murphy was killed.  He also recounted her story to Andrews.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: TimmyTurnersDad on Mar 02, 2015, 11:53:49 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2015, 11:04:19 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 10:27:16 AM
But no one really cared when he died.
Most people find him one of the few good characters in the movie and hate that he dies when he does.

That's true but I don't see the legions of fans bawling about it like they do with Hicks.

That would be because Clemens' story is ultimately self-contained within Alien 3. Yeah, he's one of the most interesting characters in the film and his relationship with Ripley is more complex than what she had with Hicks, but he was always meant to get the axe within the confines of the same film he was introduced in. The same goes for Dillon too.

Meanwhile, Hicks was someone who appeared in Aliens as a portion of Ripley's new "family." His character wasn't nearly as developed as Clemens would go on to be, but it was fully the director's intention that Hicks would live and go on to grow as a character and in his relationship (whatever its nature would be) with Ripley. The same goes for Newt and Bishop. Alien 3 then promptly begins with a sledgehammer to the fans' faces by impaling Hicks in his sleep.

I'm not making a statement on the quality of either film here, btw. I'm just explaining why fans are far more vocal about their disdain that Hicks died over more intriguing or complex characters like Clemens or Dillon.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Mar 02, 2015, 11:53:49 AM


Meanwhile, Hicks was someone who appeared in Aliens as a portion of Ripley's new "family." His character wasn't nearly as developed as Clemens would go on to be, but it was fully the director's intention that Hicks would live and go on to grow as a character and in his relationship (whatever its nature would be) with Ripley. The same goes for Newt and Bishop. Alien 3 then promptly begins with a sledgehammer to the fans' faces by impaling Hicks in his sleep.

Where else could you take the Hicks character, really?  Biehn may have perfected that 'sensitive tough guy' role, but even in the 80s that was considered cliche.  It's pretty much the domain of cheesy action movies.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 02, 2015, 01:18:49 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Mar 02, 2015, 11:53:49 AM
That would be because Clemens' story is ultimately self-contained within Alien 3. Yeah, he's one of the most interesting characters in the film and his relationship with Ripley is more complex than what she had with Hicks, but he was always meant to get the axe within the confines of the same film he was introduced in.

A version of Clemens was originally the main character. Then he became a secondary character who sacrificed himself at the end to save Ripley and the universe. Then he was a secondary character who, according to storyboards, at least made it to the end of the film. And then he was a secondary character who unceremoniously exited the movie halfway through. Clusterf**k.

QuoteWhere else could you take the Hicks character, really?  Biehn may have perfected that 'sensitive tough guy' role, but even in the 80s that was considered cliche.  It's pretty much the domain of cheesy action movies.

Dark Horse did pretty well with their alcoholic, embittered version of Hicks. Let's not be unimaginative; you could have done a lot with the character if you wanted to. Look at what they did with the Ripley character between the first and second films.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: robbritton on Mar 02, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2015, 11:04:19 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 10:27:16 AM
But no one really cared when he died.
Most people find him one of the few good characters in the movie and hate that he dies when he does.

That's true but I don't see the legions of fans bawling about it like they do with Hicks.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 02, 2015, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 10:27:16 AM
romantic subplots.

"Hi, i'm Ripley. Everyone I know has died, including my daughter, and a little girl who became my new surrogate daughter. Wanna f*ck?!"

Yeah, I didn't really think the attempt at "romance" worked in Alien 3. I did like the relationship between the two characters though, and as SiL said his death really threw me off. Not in a good way either, because the film, the theatrical version anyway, has a real lack of solid characters. After they take out Andrews, too, the film suffers greatly from only having, basically, three solidly defined characters.

I don't even count the theatrical version anymore..

And I don't really call it 'romance' in the traditional sense.  I don't think the fact they had sex was really a big deal.

Quote from: robbritton on Mar 02, 2015, 11:26:38 AM
Isn't Hicks relatively unique in the canon in that he pretty much just believes Ripley? From the word go he is listening, and is unlikely to attribute her stories to space sickness (as Clemens, entirely reasonably, might).

Clemens did listen to Ripley, hence doing the autopsy on Newt and investigating the burn mark where Murphy was killed.  He also recounted her story to Andrews.

Clemens goes along with her, out of concern, but is never given the chance to truly believe her as he is never told about the Alien until it attacks him. He can only suspect.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 02, 2015, 01:32:11 PM
Quote from: robbritton on Mar 02, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
Clemens goes along with her, out of concern, but is never given the chance to truly believe her as he is never told about the Alien until it attacks him. He can only suspect.

Yeah and it felt like a waste following him for entire scenes, finding clues about the Alien, slowly warming to the guy, and then the film's suddenly done with him. I would've loved to see that character directly interact with Dillon, Morse etc in a time of crisis.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 02, 2015, 01:35:41 PM
Clemens easily had the most potential out of the characters introduced in A3.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: TimmyTurnersDad on Mar 02, 2015, 01:39:21 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 02, 2015, 01:18:49 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Mar 02, 2015, 11:53:49 AM
That would be because Clemens' story is ultimately self-contained within Alien 3. Yeah, he's one of the most interesting characters in the film and his relationship with Ripley is more complex than what she had with Hicks, but he was always meant to get the axe within the confines of the same film he was introduced in.

A version of Clemens was originally the main character. Then he became a secondary character who sacrificed himself at the end to save Ripley and the universe. Then he was a secondary character who, according to storyboards, at least made it to the end of the film. And then he was a secondary character who unceremoniously exited the movie halfway through. Clusterf**k.

Okay, fair enough. But my point still stands: Due to the fact that Clemens is both introduced and killed off within the confines of the same film (Alien 3), it is far easier for general fans to accept his death. Meanwhile, Hicks is introduced in one film with the presumed notion that his character will survive and grow as part of Ripley's new "family," only to be brutally axed off in the opening moments of the immediate sequel.

It's the same reason as to why Hicks and Newt spark so much controversy with their deaths, as opposed to other popular characters from Aliens like Vasquez or Hudson.

Quote
QuoteWhere else could you take the Hicks character, really?  Biehn may have perfected that 'sensitive tough guy' role, but even in the 80s that was considered cliche.  It's pretty much the domain of cheesy action movies.

Dark Horse did pretty well with their alcoholic, embittered version of Hicks. Let's not be unimaginative; you could have done a lot with the character if you wanted to. Look at what they did with the Ripley character between the first and second films.

Indeed. There's definitely places that one could take Hicks for character development. After all, there was at least one plan for him to be the main protagonist and star of Alien 3, instead of Ripley.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 02, 2015, 01:42:55 PM
The Hicks dominated Alien 3, the second draft anyway, did carry the character forward. Not a lot, but there was something there, and it ended with the possibility of more in the future. Hicks was a perfectly flexible character which you could do all kinds of stuff with.

On the subject of the Hicks character being in the vein of Kyle Reese, i'll never agree with that exactly. Both characters are actually quite different, and Biehn does deliver very different performances... However, we should give Biehn credit for Hicks even having the softer edges. A few subtle changes in the dialogue and the way it was delivered, is what gave us the Hicks we know and love. The original intend, according to Biehn anyway, was for Hicks to be more or less just as abrasive to Ripley as the rest of the marines.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: kliq316 on Mar 02, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
I've often wondered how Alien 3 would have worked if Hicks had survived the crash and taken the 'love interest' role that eventually went to Clemens. With Hicks getting killed by the Alien after finally getting close to Ripley would have been far more poetic (and tragic) for Ripley.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 01:47:12 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 02, 2015, 01:42:55 PMThe Hicks dominated Alien 3, the second draft anyway, did carry the character forward. Not a lot, but there was something there, and it ended with the possibility of more in the future.

Not really. Hicks in those scripts came across as pretty bland and generic.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Reiko on Mar 02, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
And, to be fair, Michael was quite alright in Planet Terror.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Anonymous on Mar 02, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
YEEESSSS!!!111!!!11!ONE!!

Mike deserves this role. I'm so happy for him!  ;D
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 03:15:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 02, 2015, 01:18:49 PM
Dark Horse did pretty well with their alcoholic, embittered version of Hicks. Let's not be unimaginative; you could have done a lot with the character if you wanted to. Look at what they did with the Ripley character between the first and second films.

I loved that. It's the kind of thing I would like to see them do with him. It'd still carry somewhat of the hopeless tone of Alien 3 with that aspect. In that he descends into substance abuse to deal with his issues.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 03:15:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 02, 2015, 01:18:49 PM
Dark Horse did pretty well with their alcoholic, embittered version of Hicks. Let's not be unimaginative; you could have done a lot with the character if you wanted to. Look at what they did with the Ripley character between the first and second films.

I loved that. It's the kind of thing I would like to see them do with him. It'd still carry somewhat of the hopeless tone of Alien 3 with that aspect. In that he descends into substance abuse to deal with his issues.

Agreed.  It's a way to really naturally grow the character which.  Killing Hicks off in the opening credits was just cheap.  The fact that the actor Michael Biehn has also had some personal trials and tribulations would make the story that much more authentic.  Do I sense you're coming around to the ideas that have been thus far presented about Alien 5?  You have to admit, it's an exciting time...
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 03:30:59 PM
I hate all options provided to me so far to make Alienkamp work but I'll try not to let that effect my joy too much - unless it is all a dream and it actually has some narrative bearing on the film in which case I will be disappointed beyond belief.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Mar 02, 2015, 05:58:31 PM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 02, 2015, 04:44:38 AM
I never understood the reverence people have for Michael Biehn.  In Aliens, he really doesn't do much.  After he gets injured by acid, he's out for the count for the rest of the movie.

Everybody loves the reluctant hero.

And Hicks had to get wiped out by that acid in Aliens. Imagine Ripley and Hicks storming the hive together - now that would have been a weak-ass ending.

I do agree that Dillon and Clemens are deeper, more intriguing characters though.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 02, 2015, 06:06:00 PM
It's kind of a trope in all the Alien films. Alpha-male leader/hero type™ gets taken out midway so that Ripley can take charge.

Dallas
Hicks
Clemens
Elgyn
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: TimmyTurnersDad on Mar 02, 2015, 06:11:10 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 02, 2015, 06:06:00 PM
It's kind of a trope in all the Alien films. Alpha-male leader/hero type™ gets taken out midway so that Ripley can take charge.

Dallas
Hicks
Clemens
Elgyn

Very true. Hell, that trope even kinda carries over into Prometheus too, with the deaths of Halloway and Janek.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Anonymous on Mar 02, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
Contact James Horner for the score and I'll be a happy man. Assholes and elbows woo!!
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Mar 02, 2015, 11:57:13 PM
Ha... I heard a gag somewhere recently (though I don't remember where) about a horror movie standard of 'The White Girl Survives'. Pretty apt, when you think about it.

Maybe both Ripley and Shaw, in the first ten minutes of their respective films, should get wiped out by a safety support or a really hot cup of McDonald's coffee... that'd throw us for a loop!  :D
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: MCP on Mar 03, 2015, 12:09:40 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 02, 2015, 06:06:00 PM
It's kind of a trope in all the Alien films. Alpha-male leader/hero type™ gets taken out midway so that Ripley can take charge.

Dallas
Hicks
Clemens
Elgyn

Nah, that was more Dillon's role in Alien 3.  He was with Ripley right until the end, where he made a noble sacrifice to trap the alien in the pit.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Salt The Fries on Mar 03, 2015, 12:19:15 AM
I don't think Biehn has anything left in him, personally, Bill Paxton (whether you liked Hudson as a role or not) has shown a lot more skill throughout his career. To be honest, Biehn only shone in Cameron's films. I would LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG, THOUGH!
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Mar 03, 2015, 12:30:54 AM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Mar 03, 2015, 12:19:15 AM
I don't think Biehn has anything left in him, personally, Bill Paxton (whether you liked Hudson as a role or not) has shown a lot more skill throughout his career. To be honest, Biehn only shone in Cameron's films. I would LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG, THOUGH!

That's largely down to the director and the editor, though. Look at Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler!
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 03, 2015, 12:49:28 AM
Quote from: Sagit on Mar 02, 2015, 10:49:40 AM
I just want to know one thing... where they are? No but seriously why do movie makers have to complicate almost every franchise? Previous four Alien movies told us pretty good and actualy solid story (Resurrection was weak I know). Why there has to be a spin-off, prequel to the prequel, alternate story/endings? Is it so hard to come up with new good plot for ALien 5. If director of ALien 5 is out of ideas he should just ask people on this forum. He will be given an inifinite amount of material to work on for next 10 years without making an alternate version of story we all love and bringing our beloved heroes from their retirement.
Just give us new characters and new story and make it into solid Alien movie without alle this alternate BS. I don;t mind a little Ripley cameo but leave the Hicks alone. He is dead (A:CM plot was so weak that nobody should consider it canon), deal with it.
Just some thoughts...
Again with this. This wasn't a guy on Fox's timetable trying to churn out a story. He chose to work with the characters he loved. He actually gave himself a harder time by doing this. He has to do justice to these sci fi legends and find ways of progressing their stories in smart and compelling ways.

But I'm sure he's also creating new characters. Probably characters that could carry the torch later on. So he has double the challenge really. I'm sure he can create new characters to service his story but his heart was set on that Ripley/Hicks/Newt story that somehow ended abruptly in the beginning of part 3.

I'm really hoping he signs on. I think he's probably inclined to do it. Just hope shit doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2015, 08:48:25 AM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Mar 03, 2015, 12:19:15 AMTo be honest, Biehn only shone in Cameron's films. I would LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG, THOUGH!

He wasn't half bad in The Rock. He got wiped out after like fifteen minutes, but he did have a couple of good shouty dialogue scenes prior to that. He was also really good in Planet Terror. He put just the right amount of self-awareness into it.

But otherwise I'd agree I haven't really seen him do anything amazing outside of Jim Cameron movies.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Russ on Mar 03, 2015, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Mar 03, 2015, 12:19:15 AM
I don't think Biehn has anything left in him, personally, Bill Paxton (whether you liked Hudson as a role or not) has shown a lot more skill throughout his career. To be honest, Biehn only shone in Cameron's films. I would LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG, THOUGH!

Watch "The Seventh Sign" where he stars with Jurgen Prochnow and Demi Moore.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 03, 2015, 10:35:05 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 01:47:12 PM
Not really. Hicks in those scripts came across as pretty bland and generic.

In some parts, but I felt there were a few good scenes. Also, it's almost tradition amongst the Alien movies that characters only really come to life once in the hands of the actors. Alien in particular was fairly utilitarian with the dialogue and characterisation.



One more The Divide reference for Biehn in Alien V:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HrwJZak1KA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HrwJZak1KA)


"...Because their acid blood will melt your face off!"



Quote from: Russ on Mar 03, 2015, 10:05:04 AM
Watch "The Seventh Sign" where he stars with Jurgen Prochnow and Demi Moore.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2015, 08:48:25 AM
He wasn't half bad in The Rock. He got wiped out after like fifteen minutes, but he did have a couple of good shouty dialogue scenes prior to that. He was also really good in Planet Terror. He put just the right amount of self-awareness into it.

But otherwise I'd agree I haven't really seen him do anything amazing outside of Jim Cameron movies.

What about Ringo in Tombstone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGNdnlCbfMs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGNdnlCbfMs#ws)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE#ws)

Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2015, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 03, 2015, 10:35:05 AMWhat about Ringo in Tombstone?

I'd completely forgotten about that one! :laugh:

"He was quoting the Bible, Revelations. 'Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was Death... and Hell followed with him'."
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 03, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
I think he'll be back but I also think there's a chance he'll die again. But this time he'll go down fighting or in some sort of sacrifice.

I mean I can already hear a hamfisted line that goes a little like "I'll go down fighting. You knew that was how it was going to be. How it should be." :laugh:

That be a bit lame though but I wouldn't mind it too much. Doubt it will happen since that's pretty much a slap to the Alien 3 fans xD
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: SizzyBubbles on Mar 04, 2015, 09:16:40 PM
Oh man. The poor guy is gonna be hounded at this year's Monsterpalooza...
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Gash on Mar 05, 2015, 06:10:50 AM
Alien3 got a number of things right, and a number of things wrong. Killing off Hicks and the kid was one of the good decisions.

Killing off Clemens before the final confrontation was a wrong decision. Would have made Ripley's sacrifice even more effective if she'd just lost him to the WY gunmen.

Hicks and Newt, honestly couldn't give a toss, not keen on seeing either of them revived for the sake of Blomkamp's preferred trilogy. It's going to be a major stumbling block to enjoying whatever else he might have in store.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2015, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: SizzyBubbles on Mar 04, 2015, 09:16:40 PM
Oh man. The poor guy is gonna be hounded at this year's Monsterpalooza...

I know I'm gonna ask him (if I don't freeze up) when I see him in August.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 09:06:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2015, 06:54:31 AM
No he doesn't. He just says "Yeah, sure" to whatever Ripley suggests. He might as well have died when he got sprayed by acid. He does nothing else the rest of the movie.

But it is Hix!1!!
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 05, 2015, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2015, 08:49:27 AM
I know I'm gonna ask him (if I don't freeze up) when I see him in August.

Having met Biehn, I can say that he's a pretty laid back and normal guy. So just approach him like you would any other dude!
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 03:10:39 AM
Walk up to him and say

"Yo Hicks, think we got something here..."
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 06, 2015, 03:14:12 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2015, 08:49:27 AM
Quote from: SizzyBubbles on Mar 04, 2015, 09:16:40 PM
Oh man. The poor guy is gonna be hounded at this year's Monsterpalooza...

I know I'm gonna ask him (if I don't freeze up) when I see him in August.

Ok, that is the most awesome thing ever!  Good luck.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 04:20:36 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 01:47:12 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 02, 2015, 01:42:55 PMThe Hicks dominated Alien 3, the second draft anyway, did carry the character forward. Not a lot, but there was something there, and it ended with the possibility of more in the future.

Not really. Hicks in those scripts came across as pretty bland and generic.

Agreed, although I liked the Cold War motif they carried. My favorite line of his was when he sent a comatose Ripley off the space station and someone asks him why he's taking the risk of letting her off the station when there's a risk of the infection spreading, and he says "I owe her that much." It was one of the few lines that gave Hicks some character in that script.

I do agree that the script as a whole was very bland. Still way better than what Alien 3 ended up being, though. I think the studio would have been better off refining that script than going with the 'monks in space' stuff they ended up pursuing. The idea of multiple factions on Earth wanting to get a hold of the xenos rather than just some evil corporate entity is actually rather appealing to me. Might have dated the movie too much if it came out when it did, what with the Berlin Wall coming down only a few years after the script was written.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: MCP on Mar 06, 2015, 06:16:12 AM
Quote from: Gash on Mar 05, 2015, 06:10:50 AM


Killing off Clemens before the final confrontation was a wrong decision. Would have made Ripley's sacrifice even more effective if she'd just lost him to the WY gunmen.



Clemens' story had finished at that point.  Killing him off was the best idea.  That allowed Dillon to be brought forward and carry the rest of the movie alongside Ripley. 
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 08:33:18 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 05, 2015, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2015, 08:49:27 AM
I know I'm gonna ask him (if I don't freeze up) when I see him in August.

Having met Biehn, I can say that he's a pretty laid back and normal guy. So just approach him like you would any other dude!

I've already met him before too - but I'm terrible at getting tongue tied at conventions and my last impressions of him weren't terribly great to be honest. I just want a new photo (last one was awful) and a signature on my AvPGalaxy poster project that I started 3 conventions ago. I'm probably going to see Charles Dance again (3rd time) to get him included too.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 08:36:15 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 08:33:18 AM
I've already met him before too - but I'm terrible at getting tongue tied at conventions and my last impressions of him weren't terribly great to be honest. I just want a new photo (last one was awful) and a signature on my AvPGalaxy poster project that I started 3 conventions ago. I'm probably going to see Charles Dance again (3rd time) to get him included too.

I've only met Biehn once and I had a small interview with him for Monstermania 2009 where we discussed Rodriguez's PREDATORS, the untitled Alien prequel which became Prometheus and his upcoming projects. I recorded it and posted it on Youtube. All of that was done a day after I had my wisdom teeth pulled out. Pain killers and swollen gums weren't gonna stop me from seeing Biehn!
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Russ on Mar 06, 2015, 10:16:58 AM
Can you post the link, Rakai?
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 06:45:33 PM
Quote from: Russ on Mar 06, 2015, 10:16:58 AM
Can you post the link, Rakai?

Seconded.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: NickisSmart on Mar 07, 2015, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 08:33:18 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 05, 2015, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2015, 08:49:27 AM
I know I'm gonna ask him (if I don't freeze up) when I see him in August.

Having met Biehn, I can say that he's a pretty laid back and normal guy. So just approach him like you would any other dude!

I've already met him before too - but I'm terrible at getting tongue tied at conventions and my last impressions of him weren't terribly great to be honest. I just want a new photo (last one was awful) and a signature on my AvPGalaxy poster project that I started 3 conventions ago. I'm probably going to see Charles Dance again (3rd time) to get him included too.

Why not?
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: MCP on Mar 08, 2015, 04:37:44 AM
The best thing Michael Biehn has been in recently was Far Cry 3:  Blood Dragon, where he sends up his tough guy persona in an 80s retro style game.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 04:40:46 AM
Quote from: MCP on Mar 08, 2015, 04:37:44 AM
The best thing Michael Biehn has been in recently was Far Cry 3:  Blood Dragon, where he sends up his tough guy persona in an 80s retro style game.

Is that not what they want him for?
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 08, 2015, 04:45:06 AM
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 06:45:33 PM
Quote from: Russ on Mar 06, 2015, 10:16:58 AM
Can you post the link, Rakai?

Seconded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oXxE1y3xjY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oXxE1y3xjY#)

Sorry about the late response guys but this interview was conducted back in 2009. I was.. twenty one when this was filmed and it didn't seem like long ago when I met Biehn. Feels like yesterday... God I feel old.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: WarriorRidged on Mar 08, 2015, 11:58:33 AM
Seems like a really nice, easygoing guy.
Title: Re: Michael Biehn *could* be in Alien 5
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 10, 2015, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: NickisSmart on Mar 07, 2015, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 08:33:18 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 05, 2015, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2015, 08:49:27 AM
I know I'm gonna ask him (if I don't freeze up) when I see him in August.

Having met Biehn, I can say that he's a pretty laid back and normal guy. So just approach him like you would any other dude!

I've already met him before too - but I'm terrible at getting tongue tied at conventions and my last impressions of him weren't terribly great to be honest. I just want a new photo (last one was awful) and a signature on my AvPGalaxy poster project that I started 3 conventions ago. I'm probably going to see Charles Dance again (3rd time) to get him included too.

Why not?

Quote from: WarriorRidged on Mar 08, 2015, 11:58:33 AM
Seems like a really nice, easygoing guy.

He was fed-up. Had a hoody on, pulled down, barely looking at anyone who came by. Barely said a word. It might have just been how busy he was - I mean, I got there in the morning, had to wait until the very end of the day to finally get my interview - so it might have just been tired but it wasn't the best of impressions. And my first convention as well.

I'm meeting him again in August so hopefully it'll be a better experience.