Poll
Question:
What is your score for The Predator?
Option 1: Loved it! (5/5)
votes: 26
Option 2: Good, but not great (4/5)
votes: 37
Option 3: It was okay (3/5)
votes: 70
Option 4: Didn't care for it (2/5)
votes: 39
Option 5: It sucked (1/5)
votes: 49
Option 6: Hated it! (0/5)
votes: 30
So, we're a couple of days away from general release! Please share your own reviews here in this thread.
So. I just saw this last night.
The movie? Well. The comedy and ensemble cast was the best part of the film. The rest of the movie was pretty damn bad. You might have some fun with it, but make no mistake, it's not good.
The action and story were kinda bland.. some good fun kills, but the actual execution wasn't great. I dunno what happened to this film, but I can't imagine this is what was originally incepted.
Not to mention, the story itself was just absurd - and not in a good way. It's all over the place, lacking cohesive direction, and often feels like Predator was haphazardly thrown into a completely different script.
This thing honestly is a franchise killer IMO - not that Predator was chugging along and doing well before this. But it's gonna be next to impossible to follow without throwing away what made Predator intriguing, or retconing this film out of existence.
I can usually look past bad CG, but bad CG in a expensive film that is also bad has a habit of sticking out comically. There are a few scenes in this where it looks like they just ran out of money and drive, and called it a day.
It's a mixed bag. As the credits started to roll, I sort of felt a little letdown. I overall enjoyed it, it's certainly a brisk thrill ride that's not boring, but I am having a hard time accepting some of the new ideas added to the Predator mythos. I miss the days when they were simply alien hunters from another world. All the new stuff about genetics, DNA, upgrades, invasions, why the Predators are collecting skulls/spines... I dunno, it's a bit convoluted now and didn't sit well with me. At least the practical effects with the Fugitive Predator are pretty great and I loved the Loonies crew. The Upgrade Predator was fine, although some of the CG gets shoddy here and there.
I think Predators went in the better direction. The way this one ends, I'm not sure what they're going to do next (if we even get a sequel). That ending is just....batshit. The Fugitive's motives aren't entirely clear, but his gift to mankind is going to leave some of you fuming.
a MARGINAL 3/5 for me. I definitely want to see it again though.
Going to watch it tomorrow, looking forward to it.
I think going into it knowing some of the issues, has got me prepared for it, so I can just enjoy the characters, humour, action and gore, without expecting anything totally amazing.
I was hoping whole DNA upgrade stuff would be isolated to a certain clan, but apparently, that's not the case... I think this would be how Starwars fans felt about midichlorian. I am all for new idea, but if it's executed badly, then that's not good(Ex: Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice)
Like Hicks said, the pacing is way too fast. There are many stuff left unexplained or underdeveloped. There are moments that made me scratch my head. Predators at least gave time to make certain characters if not all relatable. The new idea was something we could look after. But this...
It tried to make characters relatable by adding humor but without giving enough context or development. It keeps making me think like "Uh... how are they jumping to that conclusion so fast?" or "Why are they even doing that? Why bother?"
It's like writing essay. When professor gives bad score, he usually criticizes poor structure, not idea itself most of time. Same here although new idea is polarizing to say the least...
Going to watch it tomorrow, purely cause the marketers didn't learn from Dredd-3D that making an opening night 3D only is enough for bad word of mouth and a stalled box office.
Does anyone still watch 3D movies?
Standard showings start tomorrow which I'll catch it then. At best I am expecting a bad, but fun, B-movie in the vein of AVP and AVP-R.
Can't be worse than that boring PREDATORS (2010) movie which I caught night of release 7/7/2010. That was a great year for me; so to be not so kind gives you an idea of how lame it was.
2018 has been a stressful year for me, so I'll be even less forgiving.
I have my ticket for tomorro at 6.50 def cant wait..then another seesion on sat then next week im gonna watch it at Imax laser
I would have seen it today but I couldn't see any showings at my regular place that weren't in 3D, so I'll be seeing it tomorrow. I'm not gonna lie, the reviews/mixed reaction have somewhat dampened my enthusiasm, but I'm still excited to see it. There's some stuff I really like the sound of that I'm looking forward to finally seeing in a Predator movie, and I'm certainly curious about the rest.
And hey, it's a new Predator movie! That right there is cause for celebration and excitement! Hopefully I'll still feel that way (or even *mostly* that way) once I've seen it, but for right now I'm more than happy to wallow in unabashed pre-viewing fanboy hype! ;D
Will be seeing it tonight in 3D, so should be fun
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 12, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
I would have seen it today but I couldn't see any showings at my regular place that weren't in 3D, so I'll be seeing it tomorrow. I'm not gonna lie, the reviews/mixed reaction have somewhat dampened my enthusiasm, but I'm still excited to see it. There's some stuff I really like the sound of that I'm looking forward to finally seeing in a Predator movie, and I'm certainly curious about the rest.
And hey, it's a new Predator movie! That right there is cause for celebration and excitement! Hopefully I'll still feel that way (or even *mostly* that way) once I've seen it, but for right now I'm more than happy to wallow in unabashed pre-viewing fanboy hype! ;D
high five! same feelings and thoughts. seeing it in 24 super long hours.
those seeing it in #D I'm sooo jealous! we only have it at Imax with laser..no 3d at all..im gutted
Based on overwhelming reviews, it seems that Shane missed the shot. Anyway, booked for tomw at IMAX.
No 3D version is available in Singapore.
I've purposely avoided 3D screenings. Pointless
Seeing this in IMAX in 3 hours.
3D is still a thing? Luckily it's in 2d here (early showings)... my eyes can't handle 3D. Also because here anything foreign has 3d subtitles which is even more annoying. Will be seeing it tomorrow
I wanted to see this today in London.
Yet-
Employing a sexual predator to play a comical sexual predictor creep in a film called The Predator. What the hell was he thinking. Creepy.
Olivia Munn is 110% right.
The reaction by Black and some of the fans are just unforgivable.
It's blighted an already troubled production. This has ruined any chance this film had....
This film seems cursed...
Boycotting it - it's out in the U.K. and like I say I was going to see it today.
This is just too much and left me me feeling disappointed, sad and angry.
It's out in a little over 2 months on bluray or digital even earlier so I'm gonna skip the theatre visit too.
Quote from: Creepy and wrong on Sep 12, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
I wanted to see this today in London.
Yet-
Employing a sexual predator to play a comical sexual predictor creep in a film called The Predator. What the hell was he thinking. Creepy.
Olivia Munn is 110% right.
The reaction by Black and some of the fans are just unforgivable.
It's blighted an already troubled production. This has ruined any chance this film had....
This film seems cursed...
Boycotting it - it's out in the U.K. and like I say I was going to see it today.
This is just too much and left me me feeling disappointed, sad and angry.
Thank you for your input. Now this is a page for reviews, not for your poor feelings...
Just finished watching the movie. Need some time to reflect on it.
I really enjoyed it though. Some parts were great.
Just saw it in IMAX.
Really enjoyed the first part but it started to fall apart halfway through.
Also need some time to reflect on it.
Just seen it. I really loved the film i honestly did.. Dont listen to the reviews.. They chat pure waffle. Die hard fan of the series and i enjoyed it.. Awesome lore calling back to other predator films if u have a eagle eye and unlike predators didnt try to copy the first film
Just seen it, i honestly liked it very much, the Action and Comedy really blendend well, and The Predator stuff, especially fugitive in the lab... pure gold. The dogs? Kinda pointless, the dialogue at times pretty flat and that ending... i... Need a couple of days to reflect.
The Predator's actually speaking was Great, i liked that we've had some new stuff.
The best scene in the whole movie?
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The kid blowing up the house
, didn't see that coming, the whole theater went nuts and cheered. :D Great stuff.
I had a ball, 7/10.
Corporal Hicks? Maybe you can start a rating-poll (from 1 to 10) in this topic so the people who saw the movie can vote?
Just saw the movie. I'm the biggest fan of the original and I absolutely love this movie. 8/10 at least.
Quote from: 343 on Sep 12, 2018, 09:16:20 PM
Corporal Hicks? Maybe you can start a rating-poll (from 1 to 10) in this topic so the people who saw the movie can vote?
Yep.
Right...
also 8 / 10. better than predator 2 / 3 imo
Oh btw would have loved to have reviewed it.
Remember the boycott 📡
Hi RamJet
Ok fair play
If ever you are abused or threatened sexually... it ok
just keep telling yourself it's just a movie ... it's just a movie
Yo quick question for those who saw it : any spine rip in this movie ? I mean human spine... Without details (no who or when please) ;D
I mean I wanted to like it
I've waited years for a Predator film that I can actually see in the cinema and it had the right stuff, blood, tech and lore.
It dug into predator canon a bit more, but, this film has Prometheusitis.
The entire thing left me with more questions than answers, the biggest reveals were unwhelming and they focused on the wrong things.
Also the movie wasn't self contained at all as I remember reading. It totally tries to set up a sequel.
It was good to see a modern Predator film. It had all of the effects and everything it needed, but it left too much unexplained and that god damn f**king ending
It didn't need that f**king ending
No there aren't
So i finally got to see The Predator this evening, i must say after reading many of the reviews i was expecting a downright shoddy mess with poor editing, no plot, terrible dialogue and dreadful cgi, my expectations where low.
(I'm generally shit at typing out my thoughts and rarely use anything other than wasd so apologies if this review doesnt read to well)
Let me just say that alot of what the film has been criticised for is true to an extent, however i really did have a great time watching this movie first time around, taken totally at face value it's a pretty fun ride.
Although the characters could have used more development, there wearn't really any who i disliked or found greatly annoying in anyway (I liked none in AvP/AvPR for the record).
Fugutives breakout scene was awesome, to be honest seeing and hearing this guy in action was one of the main highlights of the film for me, the suit, the facial animation effects, the movement (practical parkour stuff was a nice touch) and the sounds where all solid, i loved everything about him and really wished he was in things for the duration, for me this guy was all the Predator this film really needed with the upgrade lacking that physical presence of the practical suit approach (though he did have a few cool moments) The dogs where a bit awful aswell i thought.
I did feel the movie took a noticeable dip towards the end, from the point everyone enters the woods until the scene on upgrades ship felt crammed in and rushed and lacked direction in all honesty, i wouldn't say it was a complete deal breaker that ruins the film, but it is noticeable, as are one or two slightly less than stellar CGI effects, however as a whole the visuals all seem to work and i feel some reviews made an overly big deal over them.
Story wise things are a bit all over the place, you never really seem to have a solid grasp on whats happening (or why) however things still seem to somehow work and hang together enough to get you to the next action scene, as already mentioned there is very little downtime in this movie and the pace does keep things moving quickly enough for the plot holes and inconsistencies to get masked somewhat. One funny thing to note is that for all the negativity towards the kid being in the movie, he actually was one of the standout parts of the movie and played his part well.
I liked the loonies alot, alot of the humour worked great, however some of the stuff was a bit hit or miss, but this is defo the best group we have had post 1987, though alot of the Baxley/Tourettes stuff was uneccessary (IMO), Trevante Rhodes was pretty solid.
A few lines regarding his father and past predator encounters would have been nice from the Keyes character, even taking the Traeger character from the lab scene and giving extended screen time to Busey to give some development wouldnt have done any harm, i'm sure the majority of people had no clue who he actually was (including those who have seen P2, probably)
All in, is it the Predator sequel we wanted? Probably not, however its far from being a complete failure in my eyes, and has a good deal going for it, i'd say more good than bad really, maybe just enough to forgive the shortcomings, BUT, that ending......(Scratches head)
What the actual f**k? ???
6/10 for me, with a total lack of comprehension/anxiety over where they will go from here franchise wise.
Good to see positive comments from die hard fans.
Just watched it here is what I think.
Humour.
I personally had fun with it, However I can see some Predator fans getting really pissed off with the humour and tone of this new predator film. For me this film has no suspense, tension and Dredd like the original predator film did. But surprisingly the jokes and one-liners are actually pretty funny (well most of the time) with the exception of one or two cringeworthy ones. But the problem with the jokes and witty one-liners is that they are constant and never f**king stop. In the original predator film, the was plenty of over the top jokes, and cock measuring between the team. But when the action happens and shit got real the characters acted serious and scared, making you feel that the Predator in the first film was a real major threat. In this new film, the jokes and one-liners are constantly flowing and you never feel like the characters are in any serious danger, because he or she will continue saying shit when the Predator is f**king them over. And when a character does get killed off, you won't be left feeling someone important is missing from the team, like you did with the first Predator film. The closest thing I can think from the top of my head? is the constant non stop witty one-liners in films like "The Avengers" but with a more adult theme to them jokes. Seriously if the first Predator movie was made today it would have Hawkins telling jokes to the Predator why his getting blasted to death. It would have Dillon picking up his blasted off arm and then slapping the Predator across the face just before the Pred stabs him with his wrist spikes. It would have Billy measuring penis size on the Bridge with the Predator, before he's killed by the predator. Dutch would literally be f**king Duke Nukem.
Basically you are either going to love or hate this humour. Ur not gunna get the funny jokes and then the serious and paranoia like you did in the first Predator film. Your just gunna get the jokes and funny one-liners till the end of this movie.
The Predators
I especially liked the one that's been captured the normal size predator. The CGI bigger Predator works pretty well but in some shots it looks a little too CGI and clunky. (That's to be expected) but overall the CGI predator looks cool, I also like his size and body physique. I think the decision to reshoot the day scenes into night works in favour for the upgrade predator, it was cool. The Pred dogs I think we're a wasted opportunity
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the get killed off pretty quickly and the one that becomes friendly/lobotomize by a bullet seems to have its scenes cut-out. they could at least give it more human and Predator dog interaction. It's basically just turns up afew times and the humans get rid of it by throwing a ball. It's like just wandering around in the background like it's thick as f**k. I wanted more from this pred mutt.
Human Actors
If you like how the characters in films like The Avengers and Suicide Squad interact with each other with witty one liners and jokes, then you will like this team. You're not going to remember them like you did with the original cast of the first Pred film. I never hated any of them, but not many of them stood out for me. I like Boyd Holbrook as an actor but he seems to give of the same vibe like he does with his previous films and TV shows, and thats being a cocky badass. It sorts of works for this tone of predator film. The only other person I really recognised was Alfie Allen. I was worried that all I was going to see is Theon Greyjoy from Game of Thrones, but surprisingly that never happened. I am also glad that the boy was not annoying. He ain't no memorable child actor but he was not annoying. The rest of the team were a mix bag for me. Jake Busey characters should have got more screen time. I wanted to know more about his family's history but he was just some random scientist in the lab. have to admit I prefer the cast from Predators over most of this cast, but overall the casting was ok.
Music
Had loads of cues from the original predator film was ok.
Gore and violence.
Alot of CGI over kill but has one or two cool kills. My favorite
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when we see the first Pred who hanged the dude from the tree. The predator then gets knocked unconscious why its invisible. Above the Invisible Predator, is a half torn body and the blood falls from the humans guts on to the Invisible Predator. You start to see the shape of the face of the predator in human blood then the predator opens its eyes.
also a funny kill was
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when the boy is wearing the predator helmet and his gone trick or treating and his helmet blows up that person who threw something at his head.
also love
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when the upgrade Pred punches the regular predator in the face and rips his head off.
What annoyed me.
Why I liked most of the jokes and witty one-liners I think they should of toned down a little when the shit hits the fan. Also they is one or two cringeworthy quotes that is a homage to the first film. All I say, it's a new take on "you one ugly mother f**ker" and "get to the chopper" felt a little forced to me. But rest on what I remember worked well enough.
The film has a lot of jumping and action scenes were the humans are taking some major hits from their surroundings like getting thrown about by the predators or jumping from Great Heights, especially later in the film. Then they seem to be fine and get up easily and walk away without any serious injuries. Yes I know Dutch fell from a waterfall in Predator and almost got blown away by the predator committing suicide. but That Fall from the waterfall/cliff itself felt like he could do some serious damage if he hits the water the wrong way. Stunts back then were mostly done by stuntman so the shot feels more real and grounded. These days CGI stunts can be over the top and overkill. Btw this is more of a nitpick from me. Some of you might not have issues with it. I had this problem in watching alien Covenant when Daniels was hanging off the ship why the ship was taking off.
The first predator Encounter.
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just wished he had more screen time. As soon as the Upgrade predator gets his hands on him, he's dead. Would have been nice to see a little bit more screen time. Why I'm glad we never got the human team up it makes you think how much was cut with this predator. Same with Pred dog team up would like to see more interaction
The big reveal at the end. Not really a negative, I just don't no what to think of it?
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obviously set up for a sequel and more Predators are going to come. that predator human suit looks cool but it looks like a human size mini Predator. Would rather the suit was made by humans that have reverse engineered stolen tech from the predators. Then predators giving us a suit of armour that they have designed for us puny humans for the next battle.
What I liked
The pace of the film was good
Plenty of Predator kills and gore
Predators communicating with each other.
The preds look cool.
Music.
Some of the jokes were actually pretty funny.
The kids and the helmet scene.
When the ship
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takes off and the main character get stuck between the shield of the ship. Thought it was original
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the upgrade predator using the voice translation took in the pred ship was cool.
They is probably loads of other stuff I can't think off right now? The film was above average for me, but below being great somewhere in the worth a watch category. give it a solid 7 out of 10. Has its moments.
Wow! That was one entertaining movie!! Baxley and Coyle the standouts!
I really liked all the spaceship scenes, of which there are many.
I liked seeing the Predator speak/ communicate, mainly the Upgrade from what I can remember. Especially when
Spoiler
He uses the translator to speak to the humans and gives them the head start.
I enjoyed it but it really did have some issues.
1st one, either it was my eyes or the screen i watched it on but the 3D effect was down right awful, possibly the worst i have seen. Very blurred with artifacts in the screen centre and just generally hard to watch, i will have to see again in 2D.
Some of the plot decisions are just ridiculous, ship takes off, flies for miles, crash lands right where it took off from with the woman patiently waiting with the cloaking device. Predator in the lab is heavily sedated without a single medical tube ready in a vein to top up quick if required, how dumb are these people just calmly walking around with a deadly alien on the table.
That said though the first half of the film is very good, the standard Predator in the lab, getting a good look at him and the whole escape scene with the Predator fighting and running, very impressive. I thought the fight between the 2 Predators could have been longer, standard Predator would have put up more of a fight, but who knows he could have still been groggy from sedation and was certainly wounded as we saw. Sadly thats where it ends, most of the rest with the upgrade Predator steadily gets worse until the end. Felt like there was lots missing though, there is a mich longer film out there waiting.
Also were some of the deaths cut? im sure i didnt see the shuriken death where the guy gets his throat slit
Quote from: dave1978 on Sep 13, 2018, 07:23:47 AM
Also were some of the deaths cut? im sure i didnt see the shuriken death where the guy gets his throat slit
The only shuriken death I remember was when one of the Stargazer guys throws one like a boomerang and it comes back and kills him. I think I remember that right. Could be wrong...
Quote from: dave1978 on Sep 13, 2018, 07:23:47 AM
Also were some of the deaths cut? im sure i didnt see the shuriken death where the guy gets his throat slit
It was in the truck with the
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thumbs up
scene.
I saw it again with the lady friend yesterday (going again to see it on IMAX tonight with Shevvie and my Dad today) and my opinion stands. It's such a damn fun movie! I love the Loonies and all the action. The plot just falls apart towards the end.
Quote from: 343 on Sep 12, 2018, 09:16:20 PM
Corporal Hicks? Maybe you can start a rating-poll (from 1 to 10) in this topic so the people who saw the movie can vote?
I'll add shortly.
Great! Thanks, CH.
I cant help but feel the leaked script may have been better on screen than what we actually ended up with as a 3rd act.
Despite numerous concerns, it would have been executed using the same tone as the rest of the film.
For example: All the things that didnt look good on paper may have actually been interesting to see.
The kid, the upgrade, DNA tweaking. All ended up being perfectly acceptable and serviecable in the end product.
*SPOILERS AHEAD*
I now wish we got to see Predators in human pants, hybrid creatures giving chase to APC's and massive explosions. No matter how divisive these things were surely it would have been better than the generic 'forest at night' ending we received.
You can actually experience where the film drops off in quality. The 3rd act is just a mess.
At the very least from the scenes that were cut. General Woodhurst and additional Predators provided some specifics / motivation for the Fugitive coming to Earth in the first place.
And out of interest does anyone else get the impression that the "Predator Killer" was perhaps NOT what he was initially bringing on the ship. That Iron Man suit and tacked on ending just does not make any sense in relation to the film that came before it.
Get the feeling that the "cargo" was changed by studio meddling.
Great first 2/3rds and highly enjoyable. But that ending. Dear me...... Awful.
@andreaNZ you are not missing much, the 3D is not the best i have ever seen. In fact its actually quite flat a 2D showing would probably actually be better imo.
Saw it last night, and my honest feeling is that one day we'll see an Alien 3-esque assembly cut on Blu-Ray that'll have all the plot back and it'll be a thoroughly enjoyable ride. As it stands though it is crippled by horrible pacing. All i want from Shane Black is glorious Shane Black dialogue, not a movie that feels like a fourteen year old skipping to all the action scenes on a DVD. And for heaven's sake explain what is going on! I'm all for soft exposition, but
no exposition is going a bit far.
Had the thing at the end been better designed I might have dug it, but it all felt so rushed. Traeger felt wasted, too, especially after the prequel book was a really good read.
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Still, a least the two series now have a death dumb enough to rival Vickers', I guess
I dunno, where it worked it was exhilirating, but it was so clumsily put together. Weakest of the four in the version we have now. Oh, and the grand guignol madness of the original treatment ending would have been about a million times more in keeping with the rest of the film. It might not have pleased the purists, but it would have been much more entertaining.
Why am I getting that Deja vu "Prometheus all over a gain feeling' where you had a great story to start with and then someone came and ripped the heart out of it leaving the director in a state of "uh well that's the script we decided on but OK we will do that i don't understand why its A PROBLEM NOW BUT WHEN WE WROTE AND DECIDED THE STORY INITIALLY IT WAS GO AND GREEN LIGHTS " and a VERY good (and very good script writing) director is left completely bewildered. So when a true fan of the Predator franchise walks away saying i am glad this is over you know something is wrong.
It was so cool to see the fugitive predator. He felt a legitimate badass in this film. Loved when he used the human arm to signal to the driver that everything was ok. And when he waves hia fingers at the loony gang.
This was alot of fun, but most of the humour could have been cut back and just keep with Baxley and Coyle and the motel scene.
But that final final scene annoyed the f**k out of me. wasnt needed at all.
I really want to see the original third act now.
couldnt help but laugh at the
"Wanna Meet a Predator" Line lol
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f**k me this was awful.
The humour was so forced in places and just. Kept. Going. The movie derailed two important scenes for pussy jokes. Not cute tags at the end of scenes; major diatribes in the middle of the plot trying to get moving. What the everloving f**k.
Treating aspergers as a super power is bad enough, but actually saying that being on the spectrum is "the next stage in evolution" -- and doubling down on that by having the Assassin target the kid for his autistic spinal fluid is just ... who the f**k cleared this? Honestly?
My biggest issue is that it doesn't feel like a Predator movie, it feels like a Marvel film with gore and a bad guy that looks like a Predator. They could've had Deadpool in the lead and it would've fit right the f**k in. The Iron Man (really War Machine -- should cannons, grey colour, it's War Machine) suit at the end really didn't help.
The Assassin was pointless. He could've just been another Predator and it wouldn't have changed anything. Being bullet proof because of your skin and bullet proof because you're wearing armour is functionally the same to the plot. He added nothing of any real interest.
I liked McKenna and Nebraska. I thought Thomas Jane did a really good job until the last act.
But the constant forced humour, uneven plotting, limp third act and God-f**king-awful ending really spoil this film. I won't be surprised if this bombs at the box office. It's a dud.
I trust your opinion, and oh boy.
Seeing it this afternoon.
I have to wait until the weekend. Hoping I'm on the 'it was flawed fun' side of things. Pray for me.
The more I think about it over the course of the day. The more frustrated I am getting.
For those who have seen it.
Does anyone else feel that there was absolutely ZERO point in having the Upgrade as a roided up giant?
Thought I didnt mind but its really grating on me. He did NOTHING that a normal predator couldnt have done without being 12ft tall.
Could they not just have had a Predator who was just stonger and faster. Having it lumbering arund the place doing nothing but being a big CGI and bulletproof mess has done nothing to justify its existence.
Also as a side note:
* Spoiler *
Why did they edit the film in such a way that when McKenna asks the Upgrade "What are you" and it begins to answer; he immediately shoots it in the face?
If you've asked a question isnt it polite to wait for an answer?
I'll wait for the DVD/Blu-ray. Judging by these other reviews, it ain't worth the trip to a cinema even if it is entertaining.
Quote from: Scott on Sep 13, 2018, 12:48:45 PM
The more I think about it over the course of the day. The more frustrated I am getting.
For those who have seen it.
Does anyone else feel that there was absolutely ZERO point in having the Upgrade as a roided up giant?
Thought I didnt mind but its really grating on me. He did NOTHING that a normal predator couldnt have done without being 12ft tall.
Could they not just have had a Predator who was just stonger and faster. Having it lumbering arund the place doing nothing but being a big CGI and bulletproof mess has done nothing to justify its existence.
Also as a side note:
* Spoiler *
Why did they edit the film in such a way that when McKenna asks the Upgrade "What are you" and it begins to answer; he immediately shoots it in the face?
If you've asked a question isnt it polite to wait for an answer?
I think that was a homage to the first one with a twist, nothing more.
I kinda agree, The fugitive was good enough
I think it's more about introducing a different class of Predator to the mythos.
The comics will do something cool with it, no doubt.
Seeing it later today as well
yeah this wasn't a predator movie.
Those weren't predators.
looked and sounded like predators, but didn't act like predators. At all. It seemed like some kind of spin off star trek movie set on earth, and an excuse for some unfunny jokes. I saw a lot of negative reviews, and read a lot of the spoiler free stuff and "switched my brain off" going in, in the hopes to enjoy this film. But nothing could prepare me for actually how bad this movie is.
People are never happy... I personally had a good times. Probably because my expectations were very low. The main problems were the jokes (not bad, but just too many. Including the predator makes a joke... seriously, the predator makes a joke ::) , and the autistic kid. This character was totally out of place. But I really loved the team, great actors.
But at least they took risks to propose something different, instead of the same movie over and over again. I didn't like Predator 2010 for that, reason, too similar to the original.
Just got back and woah I must have seen a different movie.
This was a 5/5 experience for me and I absolutely loved it!
A good mix of OTT violence (and make no mistake there are
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decaptations, intestines falling out, and spine tearing a plenty
despite only being rated 15 in the UK!!!!), amazing PREDATOR spaceship action, humour, good script, some funny razer sharp dialogue, suspense and tension.
There is just too much to cover but this is a 5 star PREDATOR movie that absolutely expanded the lore and Shane Black has hit the ball out of the park with the mythology whilst making a movie intended for the blockbuster market.
I don't think purists need worry this is a killer movie, but don't expect it at your local arthouse cinema like PREDATOR (1987) which sometimes get shown as an all-time classic with it's subliminal cinematography, camera-work and editing.
In terms of rumoured Alien Vs Predator easter eggs, whether nods or plot points such as
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the mooted "Lex's Spear" from AVP in the artefact cabinet when Olivia Munn's character is being shown a tour of Project Stargazer as reported on social media and featured as news here at AVP Galaxy. I couldn't tell if it was the spear handed towards the end of AVP or mistaken for another PREDATOR-2 weapon
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Also did I spot AVP-R actor Robert Joy who played Colonel Stevens whose character ordered the airstrike on Gunnison play an uncredited role in THE PREDATOR (2018). Either him or someone who looks and sounds like him was monitoring military air-jets on radar trying to intercept the PREDATOR ship and he says "calling in an airstrike, inbound from Norad".That was the exact same line from AVP-R LOL:laugh:
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Didn't see Françoise Yip who played Ms Yutani in AVP-R- who was credited on IMDB as being in THE PREDATOR (2018) as a "head tracker". All I remember female cast wise was Olivia Munn and Yvonne Strahovski so I wonder if Françoise Yip scenes were cut
As for the expanded lore of
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The PREDATOR wanting to conquer the world. I really hope an AVP-3 film set in the future could answer this question whereby the governments of the world finally realise they need to band together and use science and technology to emigrate to other planets in order to survive.................With the inevitable acid dripping Xenomorphs and Predator blades having something to say about the conflict of interest with species survivial and propagation. I really can see an opening for an ALIEN/PREDATOR cross-over as humans prepare for the future of space travel. Remember that AVP3 set in Africa where they are mining a resource for PREDATOR plasma used to power Weyland's Engine thrusters for space-trave based on reverse engineered technologyl?
Now for who worked on THE PREDATOR. Good to see Tom Woodruff Jr credited as puppeteer and practical effects. One the the Strauss Brothers from Hydraulx who did AVP-R and digital effects for countless other, more well received movies including MARVEL- as well as SKYLINE and the underated BEYOND SKYLINE were credited as digital effects.
Also SHANE BLACK did a fantastic job directing and I'll admit I really like his IRON MAN-3 although it appears to be cool to bash that movie for some reason despite the critical and box office success.
I hope THE PREDATOR is a success and I would definately like AVP3 now!
PS- nice of the cinema to give out a free hand out glossy poster as pictured by me.
https://imgur.com/a/gCiMbgI
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 12, 2018, 02:57:02 PM
3D is still a thing? Luckily it's in 2d here (early showings)... my eyes can't handle 3D. Also because here anything foreign has 3d subtitles which is even more annoying. Will be seeing it tomorrow
Few hours later....
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 12, 2018, 07:26:40 PM
It's out in a little over 2 months on bluray or digital even earlier so I'm gonna skip the theatre visit too.
What is it? Did you see the film or not?
https://www.moviemeter.nl/film/1116500/info/90#4731816
Hadn't heard there was
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a line taken right from AVPR. That's hilarious if true.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 13, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
Hadn't heard there was Spoiler
a line taken right from AVPR. That's hilarious if true.
Because paying homages to the original isnt enough. You got to reference that as well. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 13, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
Hadn't heard there was Spoiler
a line taken right from AVPR. That's hilarious if true.
Because paying homages to the original isnt enough. You got to reference that as well. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
What is the line though?
Just watched.
Really loved both the predators, their rivalry, ships and their screen presence in every scene. However equally hated a few, such as stupid dogs, helping human plot, mindless killing happened between loonies and stargazer military, and film editing(subsequent scenes coming in day, night and day repeatedly)
Shane should have scripted as below:
In distant space, bloody war between both race of predators resulting a accidental opening of wormhole making fugitive to crash land on earth. Both predators then fight each other (as well against humans) to save the lethal weapon. In this case, lots of stupidity like helping humans, quick conclusion by Munn and few others on Predators' intention(which irritated me indeed) could have been avoided. Also, the weapon would have excited us.
My rating is 6 out of 10. A bit of disappointed mood, but will watch it once again.
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 13, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
Hadn't heard there was Spoiler
a line taken right from AVPR. That's hilarious if true.
Because paying homages to the original isnt enough. You got to reference that as well. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
What is the line though?
Yeah, I'm curious too...
Well, at least it was nice being excited for a new Predator movie for a while. :P
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 13, 2018, 05:08:45 PM
Well, at least it was nice being excited for a new Predator movie for a while. :P
Sure was. Maybe we will get an interesting "Making of" doc down the line that reveals some of the behind-the-scenes shenanigans.
The 3D is awful in this film. Barely noticeable, blurry and very dark in places. I feel like I missed so many details. Need to see it again in standard.
There was no AVPR line that I recall.
Who did the Upgrade CGI? Are they going to show us anything from that? Feel like we haven't seen the Upgrade properly (details etc...). Surely he deserves his own poster or something.
Here goes
Disappointed !
Damn...was really looking forward for this movie....
The Good
It started interestingly...and the classic predator was amazing
Loved the way he ran and moved...
Definitely under used !!!
Few good scenes and moments
The Bad
Dialogues...no fluidity or originality
No character development.
The way the scenes are sewn together ...bad pacing especially the second half
No need for pred dogs
The Ugly
CGI predator...
Plot ...or lack of... actually idiotic plot
Underused chemistry of a good cast
Screwing up Predator lore...
The ending.....
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predator killer.....really? But I guess it just killed the predator franchise
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Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 13, 2018, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 13, 2018, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 13, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
Hadn't heard there was Spoiler
a line taken right from AVPR. That's hilarious if true.
Because paying homages to the original isnt enough. You got to reference that as well. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
What is the line though?
Yeah, I'm curious too...
Ultramorph was referencing my post which was hidden as a spoiler.
Here is the post with the
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soon to be infamous AVP-R homage
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Sep 13, 2018, 02:58:43 PMSpoiler
Also did I spot AVP-R actor Robert Joy who played Colonel Stevens whose character ordered the airstrike on Gunnison play an uncredited role in THE PREDATOR (2018). Either him or someone who looks and sounds like him was monitoring military air-jets on radar trying to intercept the PREDATOR ship and he says "calling in an airstrike, inbound from Norad".That was the exact same line from AVP-R LOL:laugh:
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Spoilers through-out.
I'm just out of the theater so this will be reactionary;
This film feels like it was cut to pieces,
by studio mandate more that anything else:
That said, of course I disliked the Predator dogs
They're everything I said they would be, uninspired and unnecessary-
in design and functionality.
Predators 2010 did it in a far superior manner.
The technology of the Predator was too concise,
and the ending is indeed a mandated inclusion.
As the ending irritated me, so did the moments of blatant and sometimes ridiculous exposition, from global warming, spinal fluids to a particular transition to an "upgrading" visual.
The comedy was hit and miss but it did succeed in endearing me to our main characters, as did their moments of intimacy and sobriety because of the performers, those moments felt real.
So when they were dispatched or threatened,
I cared- It absolutely succeeded in one element,
I have never DESPISED a Predator before,
and that's not just due to him killing a 'Classic' but because I came to care for the characters.
The only Predator film that has made me genuinely emotional.
Visually it's top shelf, for the majority.
I believe there's the best Predator sequel here,
amongst the rubble- but will it be uncovered?
3.8/5.
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Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 12, 2018, 02:57:02 PM
3D is still a thing? Luckily it's in 2d here (early showings)... my eyes can't handle 3D. Also because here anything foreign has 3d subtitles which is even more annoying. Will be seeing it tomorrow
Few hours later....
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 12, 2018, 07:26:40 PM
It's out in a little over 2 months on bluray or digital even earlier so I'm gonna skip the theatre visit too.
What is it? Did you see the film or not?
https://www.moviemeter.nl/film/1116500/info/90#4731816
Stalker alertttt. Yes I did go see it... we had a nice time overall... but it was forgettable and ridiculous.
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 13, 2018, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 13, 2018, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 13, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
Hadn't heard there was Spoiler
a line taken right from AVPR. That's hilarious if true.
Because paying homages to the original isnt enough. You got to reference that as well. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
What is the line though?
It's on AVP-CAPCOM's review. I haven't watched yet, I just laughed at the idea of referencing AVPR.
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Sep 13, 2018, 02:58:43 PM
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Also did I spot AVP-R actor Robert Joy who played Colonel Stevens whose character ordered the airstrike on Gunnison play an uncredited role in THE PREDATOR (2018). Either him or someone who looks and sounds like him was monitoring military air-jets on radar trying to intercept the PREDATOR ship and he says "calling in an airstrike, inbound from Norad".That was the exact same line from AVP-R LOL:laugh:
Saw the movie today. Left me really disappointed, easily the worst of the franchise for me, and this is from someone who loved Predators. Some of the major issues for me:
1. Whenever there were kills, the gore was too brief, barely able to perceive what happened. An extended cut might fix this.
2. The comedy trash talk among the loonies was a bit too much, spread throughout the movie.
3. The music was horrible, in many scenes it was like the Jurassic Park's cheerful music which didn't suit at all.
4. Missed opportunity to expand on the predator mythology, would have liked for once to mention the name 'Yautja'. They already did the 'translation' thing, so they could have easily expanded upon the predator lore. Instead we got a stupid running joke on why they are called predator.
5. Anyone, literally anyone can accidentally activate a predator gear or weapon, all the time and immediately. It was ridiculous, worst offender for me.
6. The super intelligent 'know-it-all' kid.
7. The ending scene. Hated the Ironman-ish armor thing.
Just back from the cinema.
I like it.
First though. I hate the very last scene. This seems to be universally hated. I will never watch that scene again.
Loved the characters. Wish we got something me more of Shawn Keyes though.
Trager was the best sort of c**t. Loved him.
It still baffles me as to why these films can never get the creature to look as realistic and as alive as the original. Apart from that, I loved the Fugitive. Shame he was taken off the table so soon but this would probably not be too much of an issue prior to the reshoots. The other predators would have filled the void. Upgrade was cool but the Slightly digitigrade legs did not do it for me. I get it. I just thought they looked naff.
I don't mind the lore additions. At the end of the day most of the additions are just assumptions by the characters anyway.
I could have done without the comedy dog element but liked the dogs generally in spite of the uninspired design.
The dialogue was not up to Shane Black's usual standard which was a shame.
I enjoyed the score. The cues to the original musics were nice.
Definitely a better movie here with some editing and what not.
If I was to rank the movies I'd say
Predator, 10/10. One of my 5 fav movies. So this is the gold standard in my marking.
Predator 2, 8/10
The Predator & Predators joint at 6/10. They both do differ t things I like but I can't pick one over the other so put them together.
Just came back from it.
I was having a blast from the cheer ridiculousness of it all. All the Predator bits were pretty badass and I enjoyed some of the additions to the lore and some extra depth to the aliens. The Loonies had great chemistry and even if some jokes didn't land, the majority did and made us care for them.
Music was used in terrible ways, reminded me a lot of Prometheus and Covenant with their choppy editing and music being used at every single second. Very obnoxious and as a consequence, I left not liking what I heard. As I mentioned the editing was pretty choppy at parts but bearable...
...until...
We reached the barn sequence. The movie took a massive downfall here. The humor was gone, character interactions that felt genuine were gone, ridiculous plot coincidences abound, the CGI looked unpolished and the movie just crammed the first Predator movie on those last 20mins that were largely forgettable. I am not surprised the reshoots started here, I felt like I was watching a soulless movie that became generic pretty quickly. I wish the movie continued that descent into madness feel it had. I was giddy with excitment then just left feeling "ehh". The infamous last scene just felt like a desperate fart of creativity leaving a swollen corpse full of ideas that never exploded into the gory mess I expected. I really hope they actually shot those ridiculous ideas they had for the third act, cause at least they feel like they belong to the genre deconstruction Shane was going for.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 13, 2018, 11:21:51 AM
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f**k me this was awful.
The humour was so forced in places and just. Kept. Going. The movie derailed two important scenes for pussy jokes. Not cute tags at the end of scenes; major diatribes in the middle of the plot trying to get moving. What the everloving f**k.
Treating aspergers as a super power is bad enough, but actually saying that being on the spectrum is "the next stage in evolution" -- and doubling down on that by having the Assassin target the kid for his autistic spinal fluid is just ... who the f**k cleared this? Honestly?
My biggest issue is that it doesn't feel like a Predator movie, it feels like a Marvel film with gore and a bad guy that looks like a Predator. They could've had Deadpool in the lead and it would've fit right the f**k in. The Iron Man (really War Machine -- should cannons, grey colour, it's War Machine) suit at the end really didn't help.
The Assassin was pointless. He could've just been another Predator and it wouldn't have changed anything. Being bullet proof because of your skin and bullet proof because you're wearing armour is functionally the same to the plot. He added nothing of any real interest.
I liked McKenna and Nebraska. I thought Thomas Jane did a really good job until the last act.
But the constant forced humour, uneven plotting, limp third act and God-f**king-awful ending really spoil this film. I won't be surprised if this bombs at the box office. It's a dud.
Now this is the review that i wanted to read, the movie never felt like a Predator film, now all the studios want to make a new Avengers. I am not watching it on theaters even if it is the last Predator movie we get before disney ruins everything. My gut feeling was right all along.
I think two questions can best sum up the problems with this movie. Why? and Why not? Both weren't conscious question but more emotions felt throughout the film. Why is the predator giving very human hand gestures? Why is that joke supposed to be funny? Why doesn't the predator do what it did earlier? Why is this a struggle when earlier it wasn't? Why doesn'tthis happen? Why are we doing this? etc etc. Trying to be vague to not spoil anything but I think my point is made.
These why or why not emotions completely negate anything positive in the movie imo, the redeeming quality - the gore, is so fast and brief that really there might be 30 seconds ro a minute of it sprinkled throughout.
I tried to turn my brain off but just couldn't.
It suffered a lot from "Brutally slaughter the red shirts immediately but throw the main guy around a lot" syndrome towards the end.
Just got back. Lots to process and probably need to see it a few more times but honestly...... I had an absolute blast with it.
Hearing about all the issues from the production / reshoots and some of the reviews, I went in with an open mind but expecting the worst but the worst never happened.
I'm actually pretty confused, did I see the same movie as the critics ? Because I've seen far, far worse movies than this. Even the so called messy 3rd act flows far better than I expected it to. There is some choppy editing but nowhere near as bas as I thought it would be.
The cast are f**king great, they bounce off each other so well and are very funny, especially Thomas Jane, Keegan Michael Key and Sterling K Brown.
The Predators were both awesome too. Some interesting new lore and they both kicked ass, the big bastard was way better than I thought it would be too and very brutal.
The pacing is full speed ahead and works in the movies favour most of the time, it could have done with some scenes slowing down to extend on a few things but it doesn't dwell on things, so anything that doesn't work is soon over and it's on to the next scene.
It's not perfect of course, far from it and there are definitely a few things that don't work brilliantly, like a few scenes with the kid, although he isn't totally terrible either, just a few scenes didn't work for me. The very end sequence is so crazy and some will hate it but I didn't actually mind it too much.
It's over the top and silly but nowhere near as bad as some people are saying. Perfect popcorn movie, if you want to switch your brain off for a few hours and have a few beers and a laugh.
Overall I really liked it and I'm looking forward to seeing it again. I'd give it a 7/10.
Some critics are way off the mark with this one.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 13, 2018, 11:34:19 PM
It suffered a lot from "Brutally slaughter the red shirts immediately but throw the main guy around a lot" syndrome towards the end.
Yep I was thinking "throwminator" at the end
Just got back from seeing it, thought the movie was fun. Such a different tone and approach for a Predator movie, but it actually worked! (Well most of it)
Pros:
Keeps your attention all the way through
Thought the humor worked out perfectly, the theatre was cracking up!
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Actually felt bad when fugitive dies, such a badass Predator we got!
Honestly there is a ton more, but my best way to put it was everyone was pleased with what they saw, when I was leaving the theatre I heard so many compliments and someone saying "Whens part two" or "Whens the next one"
Not sure why RT has been so harsh (maybe due to the sex offender scandal) But jeesh one helluva movie!!!
Cons:
Unfinished look on Upgrade in some scenes
Predators being invisible without their helmets
Hybridization seemed pointless (they are Predators, why need us?)
Also you can notice some head scratching moments
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Predator dog sticking around until the end
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Fugitive shooting a gun during the breakout scene
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The Predator killer suit, so f***ing stupid!? I see why everyone thought it sucks the air right out of the theatre
4/5
I'm still collating after this one but I do feel confident saying that it was "okay" and giving it a 3/5. Taking it for what it is, it's an entertaining sci-fi flick and though it feels completely different from previous instalments, it was also expected and not unwelcome. There is some genuinely enjoyable moments and things that I love about this movie. Personally I walked out of the theater feeling less letdown than how I felt after watching
Predators. I say this because I actually warmed up to the characters in this movie and loved that the predators featured were given more personality.
Moving onto the more spoiler-y details:
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I loved seeing the Predator language played up on and also enjoyed seeing the beginning chase scene. Though it felt like something out of Star Trek, it was still badass and works for the lore. Also had a good laugh when Fugitive uses that soldier's arm for a signal.
Moving on to some complaints:
It's that damn third act that really jacks this movie up. The final fight against the Upgrade is so underwhelming. Like that's how they finish him? It frustrates me as I think about it more and more.
My biggest gripe is that Fugitive is completely underused and killed off (way too early). Of course I already knew this happened before going to see it and thought I had braced myself for it, but Fugitive is criminally underused and leaves me still bitching and wishing more came from this predator character. Had they made it so that Fugitive survives, at least till the end, it could have really aided in the final fight against the Upgrade as well as the entire third act.
Some more gripes:
The Stargazer/Escape scenes, though some of my favorite parts, left me wanting a bit more to be shown/established as the lab breakout plays out too quickly.
Everything that takes place during the school needed to be rewritten/reimagined- including the pred dogs.
They should have left out the whole "global warming" crap. Really there is already a lot going on with the DNA splicing concept that they should have kept it more 'simple-stupid'. Just have it so that only certain clans take part in this and its just because they like to enhance into that bigger, stronger hunter instead of "humans are going extinct soon so better drink up".
Then of course there's the notorious Iron-Pred suit. Perhaps a different design could have helped it but I gotta say I'm not crazy about the superhero route they were pushing with that end scene.
For now I would rank the series as such:
Predator
Predator 2
The Predator (it's a close contender to Predator 2 though)
Predators
It's most certainly not the worst but also not the best. I do plan on seeing this movie again pretty soon and look forward to buying the DVD.
I agree with you Predbabe.
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 14, 2018, 03:23:25 AM
My biggest gripe is that Fugitive is completely underused and killed off (way too early). Of course I already knew this happened before going to see it and thought I had braced myself for it, but Fugitive is criminally underused and leaves me still bitching and wishing more came from this predator character. Had they made it so that Fugitive survives, at least till the end, it could have really aided in the final fight against the Upgrade as well as the entire third act.
That seems to be the major consensus from what I've read these past few days. Like, they could have just kept the Fugitive as the main baddie or had him stay throughout the film until the end, and that alone would have helped to elevate the movie. Missed opportunity :-\
I believe regardless of that there's a superior film here lurking below the surface, butchered in editing.
that ending: it's almost the same idea with General Grievous (he's cool tho) BUT placed in the original SW trilogy. at the end of Empire Strikes Back, Palpatine tells Vader he has created a weapon to kill all Jedi and out pops General Grievous!! fml!!
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Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 14, 2018, 03:23:25 AM
My biggest gripe is that Fugitive is completely underused and killed off (way too early). Of course I already knew this happened before going to see it and thought I had braced myself for it, but Fugitive is criminally underused and leaves me still bitching and wishing more came from this predator character. Had they made it so that Fugitive survives, at least till the end, it could have really aided in the final fight against the Upgrade as well as the entire third act.
That seems to be the major consensus from what I've read these past few days. Like, they could have just kept the Fugitive as the main baddie or had him stay throughout the film until the end, and that alone would have helped to elevate the movie. Missed opportunity :-\
Yeah that was their biggest mistake for this movie. He had a cool antihero vibe going on but was still ruthless.
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When he has Nettles by the hair and uses his hand gesture for the Loonies to put down their weapons. ;D :laugh: )
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 03:44:45 AM
I believe regardless of that there's a superior film here lurking below the surface, butchered in editing.
I think so too... There was a good 30 minutes worth of things cut if I'm not mistaken!
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 03:44:45 AM
I believe regardless of that there's a superior film here lurking below the surface, butchered in editing.
It just blows my mind that they didn't put more care into piecing the movie back together after taking all those scenes out...
Quote from: von on Sep 14, 2018, 03:52:38 AM
that ending: it's almost the same idea with General Grievous (he's cool tho) BUT placed in the original SW trilogy. at the end of Empire Strikes Back, Palpatine tells Vader he has created a weapon to kill all Jedi and out pops General Grievous!! fml!!
Love me some General Grievous.
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Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 03:44:45 AM
I believe regardless of that there's a superior film here lurking below the surface, butchered in editing.
I think so too...
There was a good 30 minutes worth of things cut if I'm not mistaken!
& I'd argue elements too that should have been cut out, but were not.
I've mentioned which ones in my review, but let's just say; Beasts, Global Warming, Experimentation, evolution's next stage (which you can infer but don't need to outright say, so it's not so unbelievable and eye-roll inducing) and of course the suit/whatever the suit originally was.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 14, 2018, 04:05:28 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 03:44:45 AM
I believe regardless of that there's a superior film here lurking below the surface, butchered in editing.
It just blows my mind that they didn't put more care into piecing the movie back together after taking all those scenes out....
I guess they didn't have a fallback plan incase there were scenes/concepts that needed to be removed...? :P
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Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 14, 2018, 03:57:49 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 03:44:45 AM
I believe regardless of that there's a superior film here lurking below the surface, butchered in editing.
I think so too...
There was a good 30 minutes worth of things cut if I'm not mistaken!
& I'd argue elements too that should have been cut out, but were not.
I've mentioned which ones in my review, but let's just say; Beasts, Global Warming, Experimentation, evolution's next stage (which you can infer but don't need to outright say, so it's not so unbelievable and eye-roll inducing) and of course the suit/whatever the suit originally was.
Yes, good points!
I liked the first half, and thought to myself, "okay, I judged this movie too harshly before seeing it, I'm pleasantly surprised" but then things took a rapid decline and by the end I was all but hiding my eyes with my hands.
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I LOVED Fugitive, he was fast and smart and I thought his facial expressions and movements were great. I knew he'd die but I expected more screen time and was left disappointed and wanting more. He was seriously and criminally wasted. The lab breakout was the highlight of the movie for me, it got my blood pumping and I loved watching him in action. I liked the brief staredown between him and Casey, it felt so tense and I appreciated how it hinted at their honor code.
The jokes were not as bad as I thought they would be. There were moments I wish had been more serious - Baxley and Coyle shooting each other at the end had everyone in my theater chuckling, I don't know if that was supposed to be played for laughs or what - but the humor wasn't as vulgar and obnoxious as I'd been led to believe. I also ended up finding the Loonies more endearing than I expected, I thought they'd be annoying.
The lore changes. Whaaaat the f**k. Shane led us to believe it was only one particular group upgrading, and maybe that was still his intent, but it did not come across in the movie at all. It was flat out said (assumed, rather, by the characters - they assume a lot) that preds hunt and take spines for their fluid, that they're all "evolving," that they want to move in on earth and harvest the best DNA before humanity dies out... hate it hate it hate it. Wish I could sear it out of my brain.
As everyone else is saying, the latter half really starts to fall apart - I started thinking "why are you doing that, how are you making that assumption, what is the point of this," my face felt permanently scrunched up in bemused annoyance. Speaking of pointless, I don't think Upgrade was anything special and didn't accomplish anything as a new character creation that you couldn't have done with a regular predator. His CGI was sloppy in parts and he looked like a lumbering brute compared to Fugitive. Dogs were dumb and also pointless.
Asperger's as the "next step in human evolution," Rory being a "true warrior," I didn't like that when I first heard about it months ago and I didn't like it tonight either.
I knew the "iron predator" suit was coming but I was still cringing hard. It was even stupider than I could've imagined. Felt like some shitty dream.
Quote from: yautjapet on Sep 14, 2018, 05:02:53 AM
I liked the first half, and thought to myself, "okay, I judged this movie too harshly before seeing it, I'm pleasantly surprised" but then things took a rapid decline and by the end I was all but hiding my eyes with my hands.
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I LOVED Fugitive, he was fast and smart and I thought his facial expressions and movements were great. I knew he'd die but I expected more screen time and was left disappointed and wanting more. He was seriously and criminally wasted. The lab breakout was the highlight of the movie for me, it got my blood pumping and I loved watching him in action. I liked the brief staredown between him and Casey, it felt so tense and I appreciated how it hinted at their honor code.
The jokes were not as bad as I thought they would be. There were moments I wish had been more serious - Baxley and Coyle shooting each other at the end had everyone in my theater chuckling, I don't know if that was supposed to be played for laughs or what - but the humor wasn't as vulgar and obnoxious as I'd been led to believe. I also ended up finding the Loonies more endearing than I expected, I thought they'd be annoying.
The lore changes. Whaaaat the f**k. Shane led us to believe it was only one particular group upgrading, and maybe that was still his intent, but it did not come across in the movie at all. It was flat out said (assumed, rather, by the characters - they assume a lot) that preds hunt and take spines for their fluid, that they're all "evolving," that they want to move in on earth and harvest the best DNA before humanity dies out... hate it hate it hate it. Wish I could sear it out of my brain.
As everyone else is saying, the latter half really starts to fall apart - I started thinking "why are you doing that, how are you making that assumption, what is the point of this," my face felt permanently scrunched up in bemused annoyance. Speaking of pointless, I don't think Upgrade was anything special and didn't accomplish anything as a new character creation that you couldn't have done with a regular predator. His CGI was sloppy in parts and he looked like a lumbering brute compared to Fugitive. Dogs were dumb and also pointless.
Asperger's as the "next step in human evolution," Rory being a "true warrior," I didn't like that when I first heard about it months ago and I didn't like it tonight either.
I knew the "iron predator" suit was coming but I was still cringing hard. It was even stupider than I could've imagined. Felt like some shitty dream.
enjoyed your review. sharing the exact same sentiments here on almost everything. thanks
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loved the first half, hated the second, and abhorred the finale. fugitive severely underused. should have reappeared at the end to kill assassin (hey that's they superhero vibe and direction they're going for anyway). but what do you think this scene meant? i'm still scratching my head over it. i'm assuming this was more in line with the original backstory (before the studio meddling) of fugitive that showed him to be a genetic anomaly or experimentation subject on the run.
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For those who have seen it, I would be glad if you could rank the predator movies in order.
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 14, 2018, 05:57:45 AM
For those who have seen it, I would be glad if you could the predator movies in order.
Predator
Predator 2
The Predator
Predators
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Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 12, 2018, 02:57:02 PM
3D is still a thing? Luckily it's in 2d here (early showings)... my eyes can't handle 3D. Also because here anything foreign has 3d subtitles which is even more annoying. Will be seeing it tomorrow
Few hours later....
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 12, 2018, 07:26:40 PM
It's out in a little over 2 months on bluray or digital even earlier so I'm gonna skip the theatre visit too.
What is it? Did you see the film or not?
https://www.moviemeter.nl/film/1116500/info/90#4731816
Stalker alertttt. Yes I did go see it... we had a nice time overall... but it was forgettable and ridiculous.
:-) I go see it! No, i don't go see it! Yes, i did go see it! Remarkable. That's all.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 03:44:45 AM
I believe regardless of that there's a superior film here lurking below the surface, butchered in editing.
I thought there will be NO special edition or a directors cut for The Predator?
I'll definitely be in the minority here but I enjoyed the hell out of this movie. What a blast. It's got a bunch of flaws but the ride is definitely enjoyable. I'll mainly focus on a spoiler review but before I get into them I'll give a few spoiler free thoughts.
The biggest positives for me are the violence and the Loonies. This is easily the most violent Predator film, I didn't love the over use of CG for some of the kills but it was still fun seeing body parts fly around and blood all over the place. The Loonies were a blast, they didn't get developed enough especially Lynch who really got the short end of the stick with screen time and stuff to do. Standout characters were definitely Nebraska, Baxley and Coyle. I did enjoy Nettles but he kind of got pushed to the side towards the end. The action is enjoyable and the humor works for the most part but I did find Traegar to be at an 11 at all times and I wish he wasn't so one note, but Sterling did a good job playing against type. The biggest highlight is the Fugitive, he was very athletic and I loved his action scenes. I wish we had so much more of him. Upgrade was fine, he was brutal as all hell but I didn't find him particularly interesting for the most part.
The negatives are the pacing, editing, lack of character or story development, and some of the jokes.. Once the movie starts it does not stop and unfortunately that means there's no time for the movie to breathe and build some characters or plot. The science behind the Predator's upgrading themselves is an after thought and the reasons for the Upgrade going after Fugitive in the first place is thin at best. I wasn't the biggest fan of Olivia Munn's character, she was given nothing to do really. Her scientific findings towards the 3rd act are pointless because they are never used to the character's advantage.
SPOILER THOUGHTS:
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Keeping positive here:
The Loonies were great. All of them really worked well together chemistry wise and they felt like a unit. Coyle and Baxley's dynamic was great and their death scene was great. I felt their bond and I was genuinely sad to see them go. Nettles had a great introduction and some of the funnier lines with Olivia Munn, but in the third act he barely speaks or has anything to do. I did feel a bit sad when he died though. Nebraska and McKenna worked great together and their bond was one of the stronger points in the movie. Hated to see him go as well but I'm so glad they gave his death more meaning because his death in the leaked script was weak.
I loved the scene when Fugitive jumps in the back of the truck and slaughters those soldiers and gives the driver the severed arm with the thumbs up. The kills in this movie are vicious as hell. Fugitive's breakout scene was awesome and it was kind of cool seeing him shoot the assault rifle. I wish we had seen more of their technology in this movie though. The coolest thing in this movie is the Predator weapons and this movie doesn't really showcase it that much.
The exposition in regard to the upgrading, predators planning to take over earth, and why Fugitive and Assassin are at odds was pretty weak. I really didn't see the point of the scene towards the 3rd act where Munn's character feels the need to tell McKenna about how the Predator's upgrade themselves with different species. It literally served no purpose. You can definitely tell scenes are missing from the movie too. The introduction to Munn's character is so awkwardly edited, it's obvious they cut the scene with that sex offender. Traegar and Lynch's death scenes were underwhelming. Both of them are killed so quick, hell I don't even think you really see Lynch get killed, only his arm blown off.
The ending is jarring as well. I did not like that Predator suit at all. It didn't ruin the film for me but it was definitely not something I was a fan of. I hope they just ignore that if we get a sequel. Overall I found this movie to be a fun ride. It could have for sure been a lot better but I don't think it's the train wreck most people are making it out to be.
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Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 03:44:45 AM
I believe regardless of that there's a superior film here lurking below the surface, butchered in editing.
I thought there will be NO special edition or a
directors cut for The Predator?
There might not be.
But there really, really f**king should be.
I don't believe this film is a trainwreck, but I do believe it was edited into one at Fox's request to make it more mainstream and emulate Marvel's MCU.
Shane Black Does a Movie About Big Pussies (2018)
Well.
It's finally here and pretty much everyone is right, critics and hopefuls alike. To get it right out of the way, this movie is flawed as hell, and I can only imagine what the original ending looked like before they spent three months punching it up to be more "predator-y".
Also for anyone wondering,
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the kid is in fact the main character and plot driver and yes you get everything that comes with that,
and yes there's a Shane Black Twist™ on it, but it's still dumb as hell. This movie is dumb as hell. Fortunately it's a very fun dumb, but anyone expecting the subversion and straight playing of the first outing, you can leave that shit at the door.
The Predators also pretty much have no mystery applied to them, in a very Ridley Scott Deconstruction™ type manner the
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Predators are haphazardly and halfassedly demystified to the point a kid with autism can not only unravel their tech, by extension and sifting with his new sociopath shoot-pow black hawk blackstone buddies™, he unravels their society and cultural thrust as well; and as hinted at in Predators, there's a civil war going between the old school honorific redneckators and new hotness RoidRageRNAdators that use the DNA and RNA of their prey to gain an advantage instead of upgrading their gear. They don't like each other very much. Needless to say our hapless idiots come in between one of these feuds and hilarity ensues.
Half the laughs in this movie are deliberate and right on par for a Shane Black fit, the other half are from the wtfness of the plot and script and by the last quarter of the movie anything that was applied for context at any other time during the movie is thrown the f**k out for things just exploding and other things beating the shit out of each other while said original things explode.
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Also ship surfing is the new parkour.
Literally. Why.
I didn't really have any expectations of quality matching to the original after reading the script, and there isn't even an attempt to get to those levels. This is the new post millennial action movie, where being serious is stupid and you must have a crack one liner every scene after the middle of the movie, and every set piece must be sarcastically remarked on once it unfolds, no matter how plot important it was.
Speaking of action, this movie has not learned jump cuts are no longer the it thing, and doles them out like candy, and they suck. hard.
6.5/10 with two of those points directly from spawning from overviolence without any attempt at 'later we'll do for-tv' edits and Shane Black dialog hitting on all cylinders in those occasional moments of brilliance he's known for and expected of.
Like a lot of science fiction movies of the least two years, a schizophrenic handwaving unbalanced mess, but at least there's no (three)part(s) where the power of love violates the laws of physics to save the day.
Just turn your brain off and follow the limbs as they spiral off screen.[/spoiler]
Saw it last night.
Overall, enjoyed it a lot. Maybe not vintage Shane Black, but plenty of his trademark style that I love. Loved the Loonies and their dialogue. Traeger was awesome too. Especially laughed at the "we took a vote" bit :laugh: I also liked how the film felt so different to its predecessors, which helped it avoid the trap the third fell into of largely just retreating old ground.
Didn't mind the ending - it wasn't great, but it didn't kill the movie for me as some people seem to think.
My main issue with the film was how obviously it had been edited in post. Even forgetting the supposedly substantial third act reshoots, there were so many scenes, principally exposition scenes, that felt like they'd been drastically cut down in the edit. Consequently, lots of plot points that should've been dwelled on and discussed came across as rushed and presumptuous. That annoyed me more than anything else about the movie. I got the impression the studio got cold feet and had Black trim it down to the shortest length possible simply to maximise the number of possible screenings. (How many times have we heard that one before, and how often has it been a good move?) Would love to see Shane's original cut.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2018, 07:15:45 AM
Would love to see Shane Black's original cut.
Indeed, as would I.
I watched the movie last night, sporting one of the new T Shirts with Fugitive on the front...oh fugitive how I miss thee.
I just want to fire off what I disliked in no particular order:
•The dialogue (banter-jokes) completely missed the mark. I didn't hear a single person laugh at anything & some of the dialogue was delivered/cut in such away that you couldn't even make out what was being said. Some of the jokes were just so awkward, I actually internally groaned at some of the comedy.
•From the middle of the film onwards how Traeger/ Bracket all of a sudden knew precisely what the predators were up to.
Bracket just so happened to be able to run a DNA sequence while on the run in a camper van.
•What plot there was , was spoon fed to the audience, eg Where it shows upgrade on the operating table via the mask just so again we're made aware of upgrade.
•Action/death sequences were hard to follow, I must've heard 4 people walking out asking "what happened to the main guy from the government.
•Upgrade has a HUD but no biomask....what!?
•The cgi at the start for fugitives face when covers in blood /upgrade when in the tree at the end is almost as bad as the rock as the half man half scorpion in the mummy film.
•Upgrade talking via the translator, so awful.
•Traeger apparently steals the movie so I was excited to see him but I just didn't think he did. I thought he was just ok.
•upgrade could smashed fugitives face with one punch/rip his head clean off but he cannot take out a human with a pistol at the end.
•nothing in ever mentioned about the thermal vision so when they're hiding in the woods it's basically pointless.
I could probably keep going but what has annoyed me the most is how much fugitive was a missed opportunity. He is the most interesting part of this movie, whys he helping us, what's he stolen, what are his motives ect. What we could of had here is not a team up with the loonies but a movie where their paths cross throughout & they become allies through survival in those situations. His story unfolds as the movie progresses.
I'd of preferred to of seen an ending where McKenna (remaining loonies), Fugitive & upgrade all converge at the ark. Fugitive is there for the control module & to save the ship/McKenna to save Rory. We could of had a really awesome set piece here, perhaps even stargazer fighting too in this sequence.
But ultimately what we get is upgrade rammed down our throats for the second half of the movie. What gets me is if he's been upgraded why aren't we seeing anything other than him being bigger/stronger/faster & that he has an exoskeleton, why aren't we seeing other traits? If he's been upgraded then show us why he's so much better.
Upgrade by design is the living embodiment of this movie. A semi decent idea but ultimately undercooked, not fleshed out & underwhelming.
There are good things in the movie, I want to see it again for sure but the whole things left me so deflated. Right now I wouldn't say it is even on pare with Predators but I need another viewing. Right now my running order for the movies are:
Predator
Predator 2
Predators
The Predator
Requiem
AvP (Dog shit)
On a side note we finally get a predator design/face that looks good (fugitive) & the suit acting was very good. I still thought fugitive looked a bit daft running in front of the bus & when he charges at upgrade it looks very "guy in a suit" but he looses that "guy in a suit" feel from AvP the majority of the time. But they're still not on a level from pred 1/2, so odd that 30 years on those still come a cross as the most real looking out the lot.
Quote from: Beans81 on Sep 14, 2018, 07:37:15 AM•The dialogue (banter-jokes) completely missed the mark. I didn't hear a single person laugh at anything & some of the dialogue was delivered/cut in such away that you couldn't even make out what was being said. Some of the jokes were just so awkward, I actually internally groaned at some of the comedy.
Really? There was loads of laughter in the cinema when I saw it.
Quote from: Beans81 on Sep 14, 2018, 07:37:15 AM•Action/death sequences were hard to follow, I must've heard 4 people walking out asking "what happened to the main guy from the government.
While I thought most of the action scenes were fine, I confess I'm not really sure what happened to Traeger :laugh:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2018, 07:41:44 AM
Quote from: Beans81 on Sep 14, 2018, 07:37:15 AM•The dialogue (banter-jokes) completely missed the mark. I didn't hear a single person laugh at anything & some of the dialogue was delivered/cut in such away that you couldn't even make out what was being said. Some of the jokes were just so awkward, I actually internally groaned at some of the comedy.
Really? There was loads of laughter in the cinema when I saw it.
Same. In all the showings I've been to there was plenty of laughter.
The film was very well put together! Was dumb and fun, didn't take itself too seriously, well edited, easy to follow what was going on, good cast with strong characters. Glad I went, though I'm gonna be a zombie at work tomorrow heh.
Yes, I can't emphasize with that at all.
I thought the humour was a major asset to the film apart from a couple instances and got you invested in the characters.
The Aardvark gag in particular had me and the audience in stitches
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 08:04:19 AM
The Aardvark gag in particular had me and the audience in stitches
Oh God I couldn't breath at that point. I was nearly crying. I've seen the film 3 times - admittedly one was just me and Mr_H but even then, we were in stitches - and it's had a huge reaction every time.
I legit thought the ending was gonna involve
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Arnie coming out of the pod, all hybridized with dreadlocks and shit, so the PredamanSuit was disappointing in a way :laugh:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/4/4b/Hunter_-_Predator_Hybrid.png/revision/latest?cb=20140528184427)
You mean you didn't see this at the end of "The Predator" ?
Please stop trying to confuse me. :P
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Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 08:04:19 AM
The Aardvark gag in particular had me and the audience in stitches
Oh God I couldn't breath at that point. I was nearly crying. I've seen the film 3 times - admittedly one was just me and Mr_H but even then, we were in stitches - and it's had a huge reaction every time.
Thomas Jane was so good. Lol. Im laughing to my self now just thinking about it
Fantastic writing where the characters were concerned.
Agreed. I would have like more time with them.
In that respect, not sad to see FOX go after how they handled this.
They do tend to meddle a lot don't they. I wish we could just get what the directors vision and not number pushers from above who feel they know better.
I can't believe anyone here even rated this higher than 2 on the poll. I absolutely hated this movie for so many reasons. AVP2 is a better movie. AVP2 IS A BETTER MOVIE... what the hell am I saying.
Quote from: goneja on Sep 14, 2018, 09:08:19 AM
I can't believe anyone here even rated this higher than 2 on the poll. I absolutely hated this movie for so many reasons. AVP2 is a better movie. AVP2 IS A BETTER MOVIE... what the hell am I saying.
Yes, what the hell are you saying?
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 14, 2018, 05:57:45 AM
For those who have seen it, I would be glad if you could rank the predator movies in order.
Predator
Predator 2
Predators
AVP2
AVP
The Predator
From best to worst... AVP2 is higher than AVP in regards to the use of the predator itself, not the plot.
Quote from: goneja on Sep 14, 2018, 09:08:19 AM
I can't believe anyone here even rated this higher than 2 on the poll. I absolutely hated this movie for so many reasons. AVP2 is a better movie. AVP2 IS A BETTER MOVIE... what the hell am I saying.
I cant believe so many are running it down so much.
But, to each his own.
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 14, 2018, 09:13:14 AMYes, what the hell are you saying?
:laugh:
Yeah, seriously, in no universe is this film worse than
AVP:R.
It may have been uneven, but in the moments where it worked it had more talent than a hundred
Requiems.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:07:18 AM
They do tend to meddle a lot don't they. I wish we could just get what the directors vision and not number pushers from above who feel they know better.
"It's amazing to me that Fox are the number one studio in the country because they're all such a bunch of morons."
-David Fincher
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Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 14, 2018, 09:13:14 AMYes, what the hell are you saying?
:laugh:
Yeah, seriously, in no universe is this film worse than AVP:R.
It may have been uneven, but in the moments where it worked it had more talent than a hundred Requiems.
Damn straight
Huda, where do you rank this in the series?
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:07:18 AM
They do tend to meddle a lot don't they. I wish we could just get what the directors vision and not number pushers from above who feel they know better.
"It's amazing to me that Fox are the number one studio in the country because they're all such a bunch of morons."
-David Fincher
Lol.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:07:18 AM
They do tend to meddle a lot don't they. I wish we could just get what the directors vision and not number pushers from above who feel they know better.
"It's amazing to me that Fox are the number one studio in the country because they're all such a bunch of morons."
-David Fincher
Still rings true today!
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:15:18 AM
Quote from: goneja on Sep 14, 2018, 09:08:19 AM
I can't believe anyone here even rated this higher than 2 on the poll. I absolutely hated this movie for so many reasons. AVP2 is a better movie. AVP2 IS A BETTER MOVIE... what the hell am I saying.
I cant believe so many are running it down so much.
But, to each his own.
Predator is my #3 favorite movie of all time. I own 400 movies. I like movies. I like bad ones too. This movie, I purely hate it on so many levels. I could write pages on why I feel that way, but I don't feel like wasting your time. The ending of this movie alone made me feel like I was watching my childhood die a painful death.
I had a great day, traveled into the city, ate at my favorite restaurant, got to see Predator on opening day, immediately followed by seeing my favorite band. I'm actually ending a great day bitter over this crap movie. It's so sad - not for myself, but the franchise.
Indeed. Each to their own. AvPR is terrible. The Predator is definitely wonky but IMHO it's much more enjoyable than either AvPs.
Quote from: goneja on Sep 14, 2018, 09:14:20 AM
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 14, 2018, 05:57:45 AM
For those who have seen it, I would be glad if you could rank the predator movies in order.
Predator
Predator 2
Predators
AVP2
AVP
The Predator
From best to worst... AVP2 is higher than AVP in regards to the use of the predator itself, not the plot.
Holy shit, haha.
I think quite a few would argue that Wolf is infinitely more incompetent than any of the Predators in AVP 2004 despite their bulky frames.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2018, 07:42:22 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2018, 07:41:44 AM
Quote from: Beans81 on Sep 14, 2018, 07:37:15 AM•The dialogue (banter-jokes) completely missed the mark. I didn't hear a single person laugh at anything & some of the dialogue was delivered/cut in such away that you couldn't even make out what was being said. Some of the jokes were just so awkward, I actually internally groaned at some of the comedy.
Really? There was loads of laughter in the cinema when I saw it.
Same. In all the showings I've been to there was plenty of laughter.
I would say the showing I saw was maybe 70% full but I didn't hear a single bit of laughter. Not even a chuckle, granted I obviously couldn't from other areas but near me....not a thing. You'd of thought fugitive using the servered arm to give the ok would get some laugter but nothing. I enjoyed the interplay within the squad but I didn't laugh at a Anything.
Some of it was just plain awkward, like in Mckeena's home. The lines towards Emily are meant to be awkward (in a funny way) but they're just awkward.
Overall it was a fun film- really enjoyed the first 45 mins or so. The last act of the movie felt off- I wasn't a fan of the last 1/3 of the original last act that was in the script but I also didn't think this was much of an improvement. With the editing issues and some of the CG not being that great, I almost feel like they would have been better off not doing reshoots. Would be really curious to hear what the pre-reshoots edit was like. Overall the film felt very much like an R rated version of The Monster Squad(same writers) but with Predators in it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2018, 09:32:39 AM
Indeed. Each to their own. AvPR is terrible. The Predator is definitely wonky but IMHO it's much more enjoyable than either AvPs.
How do you compare it to Predators?
Im struggling to decide which I prefer.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:17:15 AMHuda, where do you rank this in the series?
Obviously it doesn't match up to the original.
I'd rate it above the third - while I've always thought
Predators gets more hate than it deserves, there's no denying it's a very safe movie that spends a lot of its time simply retreading old ground.
The Predator may have been uneven but it at least felt fresh and different, and when it really clicked, it was miles ahead of Antal's movie.
I've not decided yet how I'd rate it alongside
Predator 2 (which I really like). I'd need to watch it again to be sure.
As for the
AVPs - a lot better than the first, while the less said about
Requiem the better lol.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 09:36:56 AMI think quite a few would argue that Wolf is infinitely more incompetent than any of the Predators in AVP 2004 despite their bulky frames.
The problem I've always had with the "But Wolf's a badass!" argument is he's
only a badass in that movie because the script turns all the Aliens into morons who conveniently forget that they have limbs and tails with which they could attack him while he stands there holding them in a cool pose.
Quote from: Beans81 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:37:03 AM
I would say the showing I saw was maybe 70% full but I didn't hear a single bit of laughter. Not even a chuckle, granted I obviously couldn't from other areas but near me....not a thing. You'd of thought fugitive using the servered arm to give the ok would get some laugter but nothing. I enjoyed the interplay within the squad but I didn't laugh at a Anything.
Some of it was just plain awkward, like in Mckeena's home. The lines towards Emily are meant to be awkward (in a funny way) but they're just awkward.
There's no accounting for taste. For the most part I found it really funny. Some jokes don't land but for the most part the humour was a hit for me - and the screenings I saw it with.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2018, 09:43:01 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:17:15 AMHuda, where do you rank this in the series?
Obviously it doesn't match up to the original.
I'd rate it above the third - while I've always thought Predators gets more hate than it deserves, there's no denying it's a very safe movie that spends a lot of its time simply retreading old ground. The Predator may have been uneven but it at least felt fresh and different, and when it really clicked, it was miles ahead of Antal's movie.
I've not decided yet how I'd rate it alongside Predator 2 (which I really like). I'd need to watch it again to be sure.
As for the AVPs - a lot better than the first, while the less said about Requiem the better lol.
I would say that Predators is definitely more focused than The Predator. But The Predator is much more exciting.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I've no issue with crude jokes or ones that are close to the bone. I'm not part of the overly sensitive commutniey, I like the darker side of comedy....I just didn't particularly think how comedy was handled in this was any good.
Could be I watched with more of a critical eye. I will go see it again & this time maybe I'll be a little more relaxed.
Saw it with a full cinema, and there was plenty of laughing etc. Pretty sure most people went home entertained. I personally thought it was very enjoyable, the predator fan in me could knit pick a lot of things, but at the end of the day i left the theatre happy. Each to there own though, the funniest mistake i thought was at the barn, Nettles went from his Red jacket, to Army Fatigues, bsck to his Red Jacket in 3 consecutive shots
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:47:32 AMI would say that Predators is definitely more focused than The Predator. But The Predator is much more exciting.
I wouldn't argue with that.
My love of sharp Shane Black dialogue definitely rates in the new film's favour as well.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2018, 09:52:22 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:47:32 AMI would say that Predators is definitely more focused than The Predator. But The Predator is much more exciting.
I wouldn't argue with that.
My love of sharp Shane Black dialogue definitely rates in the new film's favour as well.
Im with you there. I love his writing.
Saw it yesterday, and I'd say I didn't really mind anything after 30 minutes.
The movie (as in general) was a bit too rushed and the editing ruckus could be felt all over it. But it was more than compensated by the cast: aside the McKenna family, the Loonies were quite fun and enjoyable. I grinned or straight burst out with laughter at some scenes. Though when they weren't involved, many scenes were just flat and unnecessarry. With a better cut, surely could have been more coherent. My big problem was Traeger. The acting was on point and Brown was awesome. But it was a totally different character from the prequel (maybe I shouldn't have read it), and I couldn't connect how can be someone so different.
As a predator movie, it's just...it's not a predator movie. The whole concept, the gestures, mystery, even the concept of the hunt is gone. Unfortunately all the ideas they have are just messing with the creaure. I don't want to write long, but after a while I couldn't watch it as a predator movie. It was just a movie with another big, mindless monster with simple goals and to be frank, motivating zero thoughts about its interests. It has nothing to do with the creature of past.
I was never against new ideas, also concept wise I'm not holding onto earlier designs so much, as long as the new has any type of connection to earlier movies. Also, I always ask the people I watch it what do they think, and the group (not really big pred fans) told me it was really bad. Unfortunately, I had to agree. Or rather, I just didn't care. To be frank, the prequel novel was really awesome, I loved it. But this was really something else.
If this is the direction the franchise is moving in, I guess I won't be around to see what they want to do with it.
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This movie acts towards eariler ones just as the Upgrade after walking away from the scene he killed Fugitive: spits on them
It goes for me like:
1.Predator 1 (9/10)
2. Predator 2 (7/10)
3. Predators (5/10)
4. AVPR >The Predator = AVP (2/10) they are all equally bad for different reasons, but avpr at least had the some decent stuff design wise, even if everything else was really... you know.
Claiming AVPR is better than this film in any respect or even better than AVP is insanity.
It's certainly better than Predators for it's characterisation and style alone.
Eh.....
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Claiming AVPR is better than this film in any respect or even better than AVP is insanity.
It's certainly better than Predators for it's characterisation and style alone.
For each their own, it's my opinion. It's not 'the truth' or anything. And I think it's the exact opposite. The creatures in this movie (=avp) had 0 character, creativity and style.
Anyhow, if anyone likes this movie, I'm just happy they culd enjoy it. I'm not here for debates about the differences between this movie and earlier ones, that's not the point for me.
Spoilerish,
(Don't know if anyone has mentioned this)
But, instead of just assuming that Casey Bracket can defy all logical laws of physics, is it a possibility that she could have rode the dog to the upgrade battle? Or is that what happened and I blatantly missed it? Or did she in fact gene splice her DNA with the flash? Just curious.
What an absolute clusterf**k of a film.
Honestly, I don't know where to start. The tone, the script, the editing, the CG. All of it was a complete mess. It even makes AvP:R look better and I mean that.
I thought Shane Black understood Predator, but this just felt like it had been written by a bunch of hormonal teenagers. Everything just felt wrong, unoriginal and rushed.
The way the film jumped between scenes with no cohesion, the bizarre and juvenile dialogue which added nothing to the film and at times bordered cringeworthy, the poor CG which looked like something out of a PS1 game cutscene. Honestly I could go on, but I'm just so disappointed - I really thought we were getting something special when I heard Shane Black was dealing with it, but to be brutally honest he has let himself and the series down.
1/10 (one point only for the cool Predator-Destroyer suit-thingy at the end).
It was okay. The Predator fan in me was entertained by the movie but it wasn't a good showing.
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1/10 (one point only for the cool Predator-Destroyer suit-thingy at the end).
I know they say 'to each their own' but
WHHHHAT?
That is just the last thing I expected anyone to say was the
only cool/good thing about this movie.
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Sep 14, 2018, 07:44:12 AM
The film was very well put together! Was dumb and fun, didn't take itself too seriously, well edited, easy to follow what was going on, good cast with strong characters. Glad I went, though I'm gonna be a zombie at work tomorrow heh.
I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. Especially when you say it was well edited. The editing was shockingly bad. Scenes abruptly ending, jumping from one scene to another with little exposition etc. This has been highlighted in a few professional critic reviews too. It was
really bad. And to say the film was very well put together.....honestly it was terrible (in my opinion ofcourse).
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1/10 (one point only for the cool Predator-Destroyer suit-thingy at the end).
I know they say 'to each their own' but WHHHHAT?
That is just the last thing I expected anyone to say was the only cool/good thing about this movie.
Yea, the suit thingy was the worst part of the worst scene in the film. In my opinion.
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1/10 (one point only for the cool Predator-Destroyer suit-thingy at the end).
I know they say 'to each their own' but WHHHHAT?
That is just the last thing I expected anyone to say was the only cool/good thing about this movie.
Yea, the suit thingy was the worst part of the worst scene in the film. In my opinion.
I don't know why, but I liked the look of it. I guess that says how bad the film is if I found that the only redeeming part.
I wish I could unsee this film it's that bad. I know people will defend it, but honestly every other film in this franchise is a far more polished film than this.
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The film was very well put together! Was dumb and fun, didn't take itself too seriously, well edited, easy to follow what was going on, good cast with strong characters. Glad I went, though I'm gonna be a zombie at work tomorrow heh.
I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. Especially when you say it was well edited. The editing was shockingly bad. Scenes abruptly ending, jumping from one scene to another with little exposition etc. This has been highlighted in a few professional critic reviews too. It was really bad. And to say the film was very well put together.....honestly it was terrible (in my opinion ofcourse).
Well the only credit you gave this movie was for that "cool" designed Iron-Pred Suit so I'd say your review doesn't hold up much either .
Don't get personal, folk.
The suit obviously a corporate insert, and an encapsulation of pencil-pushers sticking their worthless and talentless agendas into a creative project.
I'm astounded anyone with taste would find something to enjoy about that suit, conceptually or in design.
I didn't think they could invent something more creatively bankrupt than the redesigned hounds.
But here we are.
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The film was very well put together! Was dumb and fun, didn't take itself too seriously, well edited, easy to follow what was going on, good cast with strong characters. Glad I went, though I'm gonna be a zombie at work tomorrow heh.
I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. Especially when you say it was well edited. The editing was shockingly bad. Scenes abruptly ending, jumping from one scene to another with little exposition etc. This has been highlighted in a few professional critic reviews too. It was really bad. And to say the film was very well put together.....honestly it was terrible (in my opinion ofcourse).
Well the only credit you gave this movie was for that "cool" designed Iron-Pred Suit so I'd say your review doesn't hold up much either .
My review is pretty much in-line with what the general consensus js amongst professional critics.
What's wrong with liking the design of something? Did I say it had any place in a Predator movie? No. I just said I liked the look of it. I wouldn't have chosen to put it in the movie myself, that whole scene - like the rest of the movie was unnecessary.
Honestly, I just cannot take anybody seriously that thinks this is a solid entry in the franchise. Technically it is just a really poorly made film, amongst many other faults.
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The film was very well put together! Was dumb and fun, didn't take itself too seriously, well edited, easy to follow what was going on, good cast with strong characters. Glad I went, though I'm gonna be a zombie at work tomorrow heh.
I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. Especially when you say it was well edited. The editing was shockingly bad. Scenes abruptly ending, jumping from one scene to another with little exposition etc. This has been highlighted in a few professional critic reviews too. It was really bad. And to say the film was very well put together.....honestly it was terrible (in my opinion ofcourse).
Well the only credit you gave this movie was for that "cool" designed Iron-Pred Suit so I'd say your review doesn't hold up much either .
My review is pretty much in-line with what the general consensus js amongst professional critics.
What's wrong with liking the design of something? Did I say it had any place in a Predator movie? No. I just said I liked the look of it. I wouldn't have chosen to put it in the movie myself, that whole scene - like the rest of the movie was unnecessary.
Honestly, I just cannot take anybody seriously that thinks this is a solid entry in the franchise. Technically it is just a really poorly made film, amongst many other faults.
You're right, nothing wrong with someone liking a design, I know I'm in the minority who liked the new pred-dog design. At any rate, I like to give credit where it is due and, to me, this film offered other cool moments/characters/aspects. But it is a bit jumbled up because of all the editing.
Just back from seeing it...
Wasn't nearly as bad as I expected from some of the reactions I'd seen. It's fun, I'd say it doesn't feel like any of the Predator / AVP movies that have come before (but for me that's a good thing).
Couple of points I noticed:
- Just to add to what others have said, yes the spear with the alien tail tip appears along with the P2 combi stick
- I didn't notice any AVP/AVPR line
- I didn't notice any CGI that I would call incomplete, there was some that wasn't particularly great but nothing incomplete so I'm not sure if that maybe got sorted before full release
- Second half is a lot messier than the first but still enjoyable
- Predogs could have been excluded entirely without affecting the plot
- Jake Busey is criminally underused
- Some of the lines/jokes are cringey (assburger and the whole pussy bit in the apartment)
- The scene they cut the actual 'predator' from is painfully noticeable in the beginning (moreso to anyone that read the leaked script)
- I still think the ending we got (not the final scene but the third act as a whole) is better than what was in the leaked script
- The end scene is so forced in by the studio it hurts... It's not a terrible idea, but the design is just so childish and lazy
As others have done it before, my ranking to give some context (best to worst):
- P1
- P2
- The Predator
- Predators
- AVP
- AVPR
Regarding that last scene, maybe Black wanted to make it more appealing to Disney, so they don't put the franchise on ice lol
I also liked the design, it looked like it could kick some serious ass and I didn't even totally hate it being in there, even though it does feel out out place with the rest of the movie.
It's so over the top and crazy, I'd actually watch a direct sequel just to see where the hell they would go with it lol
Also being the very last scene, it will be easy to fan edit out, for people that hate it. ;)
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the whole pussy bit in the apartment
I can't believe they left that scene in. It was so cringeworthy. I was embarassed for the actors.
Thanks to all that are ranking the predator movies in order :-)
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the whole pussy bit in the apartment
I can't believe they left that scene in. It was so cringeworthy. I was embarassed for the actors.
Got a big laugh from the audience in my showing. Guess it depends on peoples sense of humour, it made me laugh.
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The film was very well put together! Was dumb and fun, didn't take itself too seriously, well edited, easy to follow what was going on, good cast with strong characters. Glad I went, though I'm gonna be a zombie at work tomorrow heh.
I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. Especially when you say it was well edited. The editing was shockingly bad. Scenes abruptly ending, jumping from one scene to another with little exposition etc. This has been highlighted in a few professional critic reviews too. It was really bad. And to say the film was very well put together.....honestly it was terrible (in my opinion ofcourse).
Well the only credit you gave this movie was for that "cool" designed Iron-Pred Suit so I'd say your review doesn't hold up much either .
My review is pretty much in-line with what the general consensus js amongst professional critics.
What's wrong with liking the design of something? Did I say it had any place in a Predator movie? No. I just said I liked the look of it. I wouldn't have chosen to put it in the movie myself, that whole scene - like the rest of the movie was unnecessary.
Honestly, I just cannot take anybody seriously that thinks this is a solid entry in the franchise. Technically it is just a really poorly made film, amongst many other faults.
I think the reaction to that comment is more out of surprise. As you said, general consensus. The general consensus is the Pred suit sucked big time, so it's just surprising to see someone actually liked it :laugh: As for me, there is just no universe that possibly could exist where the Pred suit would be ok. But there is something for everybody I suppose :)
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 14, 2018, 01:59:35 PM
Thanks to all that are ranking the predator movies in order :-)
1. Predator (10/10)
2. Predator 2 (7.5/10)
3. Predators (6/10)
4. AvP (5/10)
5. AvP: R (2/10)
6. The Predator (1/10)
Movie and plot aside, how does everyone feel about the Upgrade in the movie?
I was never a huge fan of the design however the feral look has grown on me a lot. I just wish we had some better official images of him. Hopefully they release some.
In terms of how he acted in the movie he did have a high kill count and both visually and actions he did have some cool scenes. Notably...
Spoiler
Intro scene sat in the pilot chair.
Landing scene fighting the jets.
Exiting the ship.
Quarry killing spree.
Communicating with the humans via the translator and giving them a countdown timer.
His movements, mostly in the 3rd act where very Predator like despite being so big. Thought he looked good stalking through the forest.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 14, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
Movie and plot aside, how does everyone feel about the Upgrade in the movie?
I was never a huge fan of the design however the feral look has grown on me a lot. I just wish we had some better official images of him. Hopefully they release some.
In terms of how he acted in the movie he did have a high kill count and both visually and actions he did have some cool scenes. Notably...
Spoiler
Intro scene sat in the pilot chair.
Landing scene fighting the jets.
Exiting the ship.
Quarry killing spree.
Communicating with the humans via the translator and giving them a countdown timer.
His movements, mostly in the 3rd act where very Predator like despite being so big. Thought he looked good stalking through the forest.
On initially hearing about upgrade I absolutely hated the idea. As time went on I came round to he idea & thought it could be interesting. I'm glad they didn't go the route of the beserker predator design wise, I absolutely detest the facial design of him...it's atrocious. So I was really happy with his facial design. My only gripe is why does he need to be 11ft tall, he could've been a touch taller than fugitive but another 4ft.
I absoleuly loved fugitives design, opening sequence where it's really clear I thought he looked fantastic. I wasn't keen on the mask at first but on screen with the full armour set it looks brilliant.
These guys make good underrated content.
1. Predator (8.5/10)
2. The Predator (7/10)
3. Predator 2 (7/10)
4. Predators (7/10)
5. AvP (6/10)
6. AvP: R (4/10)
I think the reason I put it above 2 and Predators is it's just a more fun fast paced movie, that I can see myself watching more often then 2 or Predators, but they are all in the same ball park for me.
1. Predator- 9/10
2. Predators- 7/10
3. Predator 2 -7/10
4. AVPR- 4/10 ( 4 awarded for Wolf)
5.AvP- 3.5/10
6. THE Predator- 3/10 (7 deducted due to cuts, over the top violence, and shotty CGI.)
It's okay to take risks and have new ideas, but if you just throw them out there for the shock value and if they aren't sensical in relation to the plot then why bother in the first place? That's what this movie was, a bunch of potentially good ideas bundled into a 1.5 hour long rushed comedy flick with some cool kills and predators.
I did enjoy fugitive's escape scene, so much in fact it gave me Predator Concrete Jungle vibes. While the kid knowing everything about Yautja tech was a bit much, I felt that he was one of the good things in the film. Also, the jokes were funny but felt out of place most of the time.
Here's my ranking:
Predator
Predator 2
Predators
The Predator
At the first matinee that I could find in the US. It's packed just like the Meg was.
Great. I was just surfing youtube and the whole f@&ing movie is up there. At least for now.
Someone asked about opinion on the upgrade.
By far the worst predator or alien ever designed. It's a big dumb stupid brute, ugly, oversized, uninteresting. Is he a cyborg, genetically engineered, both? I have no clue. All I know was he's the predator if you strip away all the style. Anyone who had complaints about the "super" predators in Predators is probably missing them now.
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I literally felt any respect I had for this film go down the drain when fugitive dies. After that, to me, it's not a predator movie.
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These guys make good underrated content.
"It is not a Predator movie". Kind of agree there.
This movie, and maybe the franchise as a whole, appears to be going through an identity crisis. It's an entertaining movie, sure, but more from an Independence Day/Close Encounters standpoint. Especially that last scene... it's like it was ripped out of a different film altogether.
1. Predator
2. Predators
3. Predator 2
4. The Predator
5. AvP
6. AvPR
Quote from: goneja on Sep 14, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
Someone asked about opinion on the upgrade.
By far the worst predator or alien ever designed. It's a big dumb stupid brute, ugly, oversized, uninteresting. Is he a cyborg, genetically engineered, both? I have no clue. All I know was he's the predator if you strip away all the style. Anyone who had complaints about the "super" predators in Predators is probably missing them now.
Spoiler
I literally felt any respect I had for this film go down the drain when fugitive dies. After that, to me, it's not a predator movie.
God, I relate to every word of this. I disliked the super predators but I'd take them in a heartbeat over Upgrade. He just feels like a generic, mindless, mediocrely-animated monster. Brute is the exact word I was thinking of last night. Honestly, I think I'll see the movie again and
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leave after Fugitive dies. It's a crime how underused he was.
Quote from: goneja on Sep 14, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
Anyone who had complaints about the "super" predators in Predators is probably missing them now.
I am.
I never disliked the Super Predators either. In retrospect, I like the fact that they were just stronger, not necessarily bigger or amalgamated.
Here is my review of The Predator...
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 14, 2018, 06:28:34 PM
I never disliked the Super Predators either. In retrospect, I like the fact that they were just stronger, not necessarily bigger or amalgamated.
At least on their case some stuff from the original script were removed. They were suppose to be even bigger and have black blood due to genetic modification, yeah The Predator's dna upgrades weren't exactly an original idea, we almost got that on Predators. And also Dutch had an apperance at the end as well.
Yeah, I do remember hearing something about the Super Predators being more amalgamated earlier on in the writing. But they must've backtracked for a reason. Something about that idea didn't work all those years ago. Yet here we are.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 14, 2018, 06:28:34 PM
I never disliked the Super Predators either. In retrospect, I like the fact that they were just stronger, not necessarily bigger or amalgamated.
It's all in the execution. Super by name, not so super by nature. 3 of them taken out so easily within a few minutes of eachother. Low kill count too. At least the Upgrade killed several people.
Just saw it last night. Overall I would say I was dissapointed. The film is obviously a parody of the Predator franchise. It moves at a break neck pace after starting relatively strong. After Fugitive gets axed, the film slides into the absurd and I found myself not caring whatsoever for the cgi-fest that was the climax. The ending was cringeworthy. There is a lot of good stuff in this movie, however, it is fumbled more and more as the story progresses. I will see it once more to see if it grows on me but overall it is my least favourite of the series.
I thought it was fun, funny and also kinda terrible. There's a Shane Black movie tucked away between abrasive cuts and studio mandated reshoots, and it's when it hits the style of the director that The Predator is at its best. But it rarely hits its stride and despite a host of endearing characters and genuinely funny exchanges, it ends up a goofy soup of poorly constructed sci-fi nonsense. And I can't stress more that haven't seen a studio film edited this badly and intrusively for years. I struggled to follow the action (and story) for large chunks of this, and I read the f**king script. The issues are both micro (cut-to-cut) and macro (structurally).
I was pumped for The Predator (loved the last trailer) right up until a couple of weeks ago when I began to receive word to lower my expectations enormously. Even doing so, it's a real letdown.
Was it me or was one shot of the bigger pred used twice (mirrored) towards the end?
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 14, 2018, 07:29:52 PM
Was it me or was one shot of the bigger pred used twice (mirrored) towards the end?
Is that where he sort of turns around and looks towards the camera, twice (just his upper torso and head are in the picture)? If so, it looked like the same shot to me.
Yesss!
Just seen it. Certainly not as bad as I was expecting. I didn't even mind the third act. A couple of missed opportunities. The Predator dogs were completely underused, they never even killed anybody, I don't think. Design wise they were better than Predators and I don't get why the surviving one helped them. Mr Keyes was pointless, never even did anything. The kid I'd have probably liked more if it wasn't for the aspergers angle. The cast I really enjoyed and the chemistry and the comedy was definitely different than anything we've seen before. Had to laugh at the Predator handing the severed hand and the eating pussy line.
The Upgrade Predator was way better than the Super Predators. Design wise, stature. Only one bad CGI shot and it was in the trees with the yellow eyes. I'm not sure about the subtitles for them speaking. I guess it helped to understand its motives but I don't think I really buy the hybridisation thing. I didn't mind the Predator suit. It's not far fetched that they'd have the technology to do that. It's obviously for a Predator and not a human to use.
All in all, I liked it better than Predators. The setting was better in AvP and Predators but The Predator slightly beats them overall. I'd say Hicks' score is spot on. 6/10 from me too. It isn't the movie that Shane Black promised, not a blockbuster for the masses, mainly for hardcore fans.
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The film was very well put together! Was dumb and fun, didn't take itself too seriously, well edited, easy to follow what was going on, good cast with strong characters. Glad I went, though I'm gonna be a zombie at work tomorrow heh.
I can't tell if this is a serious post or not. Especially when you say it was well edited. The editing was shockingly bad. Scenes abruptly ending, jumping from one scene to another with little exposition etc. This has been highlighted in a few professional critic reviews too. It was really bad. And to say the film was very well put together.....honestly it was terrible (in my opinion ofcourse).
Well the only credit you gave this movie was for that "cool" designed Iron-Pred Suit so I'd say your review doesn't hold up much either .
My review is pretty much in-line with what the general consensus js amongst professional critics.
What's wrong with liking the design of something? Did I say it had any place in a Predator movie? No. I just said I liked the look of it. I wouldn't have chosen to put it in the movie myself, that whole scene - like the rest of the movie was unnecessary.
Honestly, I just cannot take anybody seriously that thinks this is a solid entry in the franchise. Technically it is just a really poorly made film, amongst many other faults.
Well, why don't you explain where your cinematic knowledge comes from ? I'm curious to read that... Not poking at you or anything, i'm being genuinely curious.
People are trying to defend their waifu Shane Black by blaming the studio and the fanbase, but the truth is this movie's failing are bone deep. It stops being a Predator movie and becomes generic MCU trash as soon as ThanosPredator tears off the actual Predator's head and the rest is an extended trailer for Predator: Independence Day: Infinity Resurgence Civil War. This was by design, as outlined by Thomas Dekker's awful script. This is a Predator movie for mongaloids who hate Predator movies and riot for Disney to take over Hollywood.so they can see Avengers vs Alien vs Star Wars vs Justice League.
You wanted the MCU version of Predator? Here it is, enjoy your worthless slop.
This isn't a movie for hardcore fans at alllll... it is for the mcu masses... it is absolute garbage. It is the worst of them all.
Saw it today. Good but not great IMO. Not sure if it was the year+ worth of hype, or just my high expectations, but it was not as good as I expected. There were certainly a lot of good components, but some things were just plain disappointing; and at times, boring and some even with an AVP-R feel.
I really liked the fugitive predator and wished they extended his role in the film. I also wished they spent more time in the lab, exploring the weapons, technology, etc. Traeger could have been just as effective a character without turning on everyone. Although the acting and characters were good, there was not enough sheer terror, or level of dread by any of the characters, even from the kid. He seemed more afraid of the bullies than the predators. And two scenes involving the bullies was not necessary. I nearly expected a pizza delivery guy and an ex-con to show up trick-or-treating. Plus, why was that kid out on his own trick-or-treating, without even telling his mom he was leaving anyway?
Also, lots of action, but there was less suspense than Predators or even AVP.
The dogs were not necessary. They weren't as good in design as the hounds in Predators and the CGI was worse here. The Ultimate Predator was good at times, but looked like a robot when it was walking. I would have liked the two predators to have had more time hunting / fighting each other, rather than that one quick brawl. Olivia Munn lasted longer on his back. The Iron Man suit was awful.
I'd rate this film 5th out of the 6 Predator films; and going in I expected it to land squarely at # 3.
I felt kinda started with Predator movie, and then Protoss came, killed Predator and people killed Protoss...
...and I so much loved 'Fugitive'...it moved cool, fantastic, like best predator ever moves in Concrete jungle game...damn when died, rest of the movie felt half-empty for me...
... I just hope in next movie same actor and same movement...briliant!
There's not going to be a next movie. Ever. Disney is going to bury this franchise so deep they'll execute employees on the spot for even saying the word 'predator'. They're never going to sell the franchise either. Disney never let's sn IP go, why give someone else a shot at competing? Disney's endgame is monopoly, and they will never allow another Predator movie to be made ever. This is the end.
So the best of the movie is the fugitive, wich has a classic type of design, and not the 10 feet cgi monster... What a surprise.
The plot is a mess, the way black kills lore and tribal aspects of the preds is the real assasin
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People are trying to defend their waifu Shane Black by blaming the studio and the fanbase, but the truth is this movie's failing are bone deep. It stops being a Predator movie and becomes generic MCU trash as soon as ThanosPredator tears off the actual Predator's head and the rest is an extended trailer for Predator: Independence Day: Infinity Resurgence Civil War. This was by design, as outlined by Thomas Dekker's awful script. This is a Predator movie for mongaloids who hate Predator movies and riot for Disney to take over Hollywood.so they can see Avengers vs Alien vs Star Wars vs Justice League.
You wanted the MCU version of Predator? Here it is, enjoy your worthless slop.
The "mongaloid" could very well be the one who calls Fred Dekker... Thomas Dekker hahahaha
I give this movie a 7/10. Spoilers within.
I found myself enjoying most of it, especially the first half. Fugitive was great as a Predator character. He looked cool, was intelligent, fast, calculating and really made the whole lab scene memorable. He's probably ADI'S best looking Predator.
One thing no one is mentioning is when he used his mandibles to attack the scientist (that was totally awesome and something we've never seen before!) A Predator WOULD do that if given the opportunity. Even Upgrade did it in the tree if I recall correctly where he liked ate some dude's face off. Brutal (but the CGI in that scene was the worst).
I liked how Upgrade incorporated his innate Predator drive to hunt when he gave the remaining survivors a 7 minute head-start. He was here on a specific mission but he had some fun with it in the end and was cocky which all Predators seem to be. I enjoyed him communicating with Fugitive and the Humans via translator. Very smart.
I didn't really get how the biomask had access to Upgrades holographic 'surgery' scene but oh well.
I wish we had more Fugitive in the end. I think it would have been awesome if we were led to believe he was dead but somehow saved the day in the end and gave the humans the tech with some context and flew away (would have been the first time we see a Pred live too).
4.5/5
The site that I write for is temporarily down, so I guess my review goes here: https://letterboxd.com/thatsantiagoguy/film/the-predator/4/
Most epic Predator film to date! This movie was pretty f**king awesome. I came into the film only watching the first trailer and reading the prequel novel so I wasn't sure what I was in for but I'm surely not disappointed! The loonies were hilariously great (the whole theater was laughing at times my favorite being the line "f**k my face with an ardvark!) I also enjoyed how the loonies were basically the opposite of Dutch's team in P1, a nice contrast to the original. The kills were absolutely brutal and I actually cared when one of the loonies were offed. All in all This whole film was something entirely new and different in the Predator franchise and I think that may be why I find it so enjoyable. I can't wait to go see it again!
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Most epic Predator film to date! This movie was pretty f**king awesome. I came into the film only watching the first trailer and reading the prequel novel so I wasn't sure what I was in for but I'm surely not disappointed! The loonies were hilariously great (the whole theater was laughing at times my favorite being the line "f**k my face with an ardvark!) I also enjoyed how the loonies were basically the opposite of Dutch's team in P1, a nice contrast to the original. The kills were absolutely brutal and I actually cared when one of the loonies were offed. All in all This whole film was something entirely new and different in the Predator franchise and I think that may be why I find it so enjoyable. I can't wait to go see it again!
Awesome, man! It's so good to read some love for the movie!
The movie is nothing entirely new.... it is the basic generic cgi action crap you see everywhere these days. It wasn't brutal, you don't feel it cause it's so artificial and choppy.
The loonies were fun at times but at certain parts it felt so forced and I wanted them to shut up... it took away the tension (which was barely there anyway). Their group was a good set up though... it could have been awesome if the script wasn't all over the place and the approach would have been taken more serious.
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Rant..Wow,
The predator was definitely entertaining. The action was good and the comedy was actually funny. The predators were cool and the loonies were memorable. It was sooo choppy though. Quinn McKenna was in the forest at night, then it was Olivia's munns character then the little boy then Quinn again in a bar in Mexico. all within 5 minutes. To be honest though I felt like the comedy aspect of this was too heavy handed. It took away from the overall serious tone of what it is to be a predator film.When Olivia Munns character asked if they wanted to find out if someone f**ked an alien I literally thought oh my GOD this is a comedy. An action comedy at best. What have they done. The whole scene where Thomas Jane blurts out In the hotel room was so over done it was cringeworthy. Everyone was cracking jokes all of the time. It was such a detriment that even when the movie tried to be serious it just came off as a weird. The whole thing felt like a parody of the original 87 film. The CGI looked awful in some scenes. Like when the fugative opened its eyes on the table it look terrible. Finally the ending. Wow. Why the hell is every studio trying to make an MCU film. Seriously Iron man predator suit. That's the big reveal.?!!? Jesus. It was so bad too. It had like 8 shoulder cannons and metal Dreadlocks. Anything would have been better than that. Even if it was just MORE predators I'd be okay with that. It felt Independence Day resergence bad. I'd give it a 5 out if 10. I'll be honest I think this is the last predator film ever. This buried the franchise. It was just ok for ME and I LOVE the predator. It just isn't good enough for the general public to keep the franchise going. I hope the book is better.
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The movie is nothing entirely new.... it is the basic generic cgi action crap you see everywhere these days. It wasn't brutal, you don't feel it cause it's so artificial and choppy.
The loonies were fun at times but at certain parts it felt so forced and I wanted them to shut up... it took away the tension (which was barely there anyway). Their group was a good set up though... it could have been awesome if the script wasn't all over the place and the approach would have been taken more serious.
It's entirely new to the Predator franchise, it's not another Predator hunts human scenario (which I still love though) there's more to it than that. Ultimately at the end of the day I had a great time watching the movie and that's what matters. To each their own though.
Just walked out of the cinema. It's much better than what I was expecting. I'd give it 7/10.
James Berardinelli has always been one of my favorite film critics. So I was disappointed in reading his review, which is not favorable......at all.
http://www.reelviews.net/reelviews/predator-the (http://www.reelviews.net/reelviews/predator-the)
Edit: Mods, looks like I put this in the wrong forum, feel free to move it.
So ummm... Decker Shadow put up his review of the movie. I thought that his take on it was pretty hilarious... Ha ha ha ha... But it's extremely spoilers heavy. So uh... You've been warned. Feel free to move this if it doesn't belong here.
Just got back from the theater. I really enjoyed this movie though you can clearly tell that it was chopped to bits in the editing room. :-\ I enjoyed the characters and the light-hearted tone, it was a very refreshing entry in the series. 7/10
Been awhile! Thought I'd share my little Facebook write up review of it when I first got done seeing it. Also including my full video review on my Youtube channel! Overall had a lot of issues with the film and it's probably my least favorite of the franchise. I'd give it a
D+ or lower if it wasn't for the cast actually being solid and one of my all time favorite actors Thomas Jane being involved. The rest of the movie just felt very cheap in terms of its story and of course it also had problems with inconsistent visuals. Any detail they tried to give "The Fugitive" Predator and his mission though interesting it was just murky and they jumped around without exploring it much at all. The giant predator just felt like it existed just for the dumb reason of having a giant predator. Also why change the Predator dog/hound designs? They looked fairly good in Predators but in this look like lower budget predator heads on the bodies. Anyway could pick at everything for awhile but good to be back! lol
From my Facebook...
"Just got back from seeing it and unfortunately it's about what I've and likely what you have been expecting. The story feels cheap and comes out like something you'd see on the Syfy channel and eventually forget. The problem is that this isn't just some random Syfy original it's another entry of a popular sci-fi horror action franchise. Visually it's not very good either, I mean the regular Predator looks alright but I've seen better looking ships in all of the other films including the AVP ones and it's always worth shaking your head when you see that they CGI so much even the green blood on the wounded "giant" CGI Predator near the climax looks far more fake than the respectable practical effects of the original 87' film. Now this movie I guess isn't ALL bad. The cast for the most part is fine, Boyd Holbrook is the lead and even though there are a couple handfuls of other actors I would have chosen first (as I keep talking about) he doesn't do a bad job. Olivia Munn doesn't fit as a scientist but I actually thought she gave a fine performance too. It was also nice seeing Yvonne Strahovski although her role is touch and go. If you know me you know I was looking forward to seeing Thomas Jane in this film who is one of my all time favorite actors (one of the dozen I would have chose to lead it first). I wasn't expecting him to have a big role or last long but will say I was at least a bit pleasantly surprised that he got a fairly cool moment in there in one of the better parts that the movie had. He also had good chemistry with Keegan-Michael Key and in a world where we are getting all these spin-offs "Baxley & Coyle" should too! lol
So overall a lackluster film that again just felt cheap and I couldn't really get immersed in it the way I did with every other Predator film to some degree. Some humor in it worked and got a few laughs and some didn't. It's not the worst movie ever but it's probably my least favorite of the franchise and I don't think it's the big comeback or resurgence they've been trying to promote it as. Shane Black could have done better, others could have done better than that"
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those seeing it in #D I'm sooo jealous! we only have it at Imax with laser..no 3d at all..im gutted
To be honest, it didn't add much to the film. It's a conversion anyway, but past twenty minutes the effect seems really toned down.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 15, 2018, 07:14:53 AM
Just got back from the theater. I really enjoyed this movie though you can clearly tell that it was chopped to bits in the editing room. :-\ I enjoyed the characters and the light-hearted tone, it was a very refreshing entry in the series. 7/10
7/10 is fair. The tone is lighter between the crew (at points it goes too far), but the Predators maintain their threat level. Seems like an okay balance. However the docile Pred-dog didn't do anything for me. I'd either scrap the dogs altogether (even though I like the link with Predators) or have them all be lethal and actually kill some people.
It's an awful link with Predators as they are of consequence to The Predator whatsoever,
you could easily edit them out losing nothing.
Additionally Predators featured an infinitely superior design.
I don't really have an issue with the dog concept, but the way they're used in The Predator is weak. The dog becoming good was just blah.
Neither do I, I have an issue with their bland and insultingly banal design.
Hence why I enjoyed them in Predators because they were in visual and concept unique-
Whilst serving a purpose- in The Predator they were both immensely boring and served no real purpose.
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I give this movie a 7/10. Spoilers within.
I found myself enjoying most of it, especially the first half. Fugitive was great as a Predator character. He looked cool, was intelligent, fast, calculating and really made the whole lab scene memorable. He's probably ADI'S best looking Predator.
One thing no one is mentioning is when he used his mandibles to attack the scientist (that was totally awesome and something we've never seen before!) A Predator WOULD do that if given the opportunity. Even Upgrade did it in the tree if I recall correctly where he liked ate some dude's face off. Brutal (but the CGI in that scene was the worst).
I liked how Upgrade incorporated his innate Predator drive to hunt when he gave the remaining survivors a 7 minute head-start. He was here on a specific mission but he had some fun with it in the end and was cocky which all Predators seem to be. I enjoyed him communicating with Fugitive and the Humans via translator. Very smart.
I didn't really get how the biomask had access to Upgrades holographic 'surgery' scene but oh well.
I wish we had more Fugitive in the end. I think it would have been awesome if we were led to believe he was dead but somehow saved the day in the end and gave the humans the tech with some context and flew away (would have been the first time we see a Pred live too).
I was just thinking that about the Predators biting. Using their mandibles was an interesting new addition to the lore and makes sense they would use them, or why would they have them ? The Assassin biting that guys head off was brutal. I liked the Assassin going on the hunt too. He's like, mission complete, now lets hunt these motherf**kers. :)
The Predators communicating was also something I really liked. Shame it wasn't fleshed out more in this one but I'd love to see more of it in a sequel (direct sequel or a totally separate Predator movie)
As for the mask showing the surgery stuff, I'm guessing Fugitive is from the same clan (as he has other DNA in him too) so has the data but he clearly doesn't agree with what they are planning, so he steals some stuff and runs. Or the other theory is the surgery wasn't the Upgrade being made but it was the other Predators experimenting on Fugitive, maybe trying to make him into anther upgrade and he was like "f**k that, I'm out."
It's never made fully clear or explained in detail though, so I guess you can go with whichever you like really.
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Neither do I, I have an issue with their bland and insultingly banal design.
Hence why I enjoyed them in Predators because they were in visual and concept unique-
Whilst serving a purpose- in The Predator they were both immensely boring and served no real purpose.
The first time they play catch with the grenade I knew what would happen at the films climax...& sure enough! I can't even remember where it first picked it up.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 15, 2018, 09:16:58 AM
As for the mask showing the surgery stuff, I'm guessing Fugitive is from the same clan (as he has other DNA in him too) so has the data but he clearly doesn't agree with what they are planning, so he steals some stuff and runs. Or the other theory is the surgery wasn't the Upgrade being made but it was the other Predators experimenting on Fugitive, maybe trying to make him into another upgrade and he was like "f**k that, I'm out."
Interesting supposition, my head-canon now until proven otherwise.
In addition Upgrade's remark about him being a traitor gives weight to your latter theory.
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As for the mask showing the surgery stuff, I'm guessing Fugitive is from the same clan (as he has other DNA in him too) so has the data but he clearly doesn't agree with what they are planning, so he steals some stuff and runs. Or the other theory is the surgery wasn't the Upgrade being made but it was the other Predators experimenting on Fugitive, maybe trying to make him into another upgrade and he was like "f**k that, I'm out."
Interesting supposition, my head-canon now until proven otherwise.
In addition Upgrade's remark about him being a traitor gives weight to your latter theory.
Yeah I kinda like to go with that too. I'd love to see it expanded on in some way, maybe a sequel novel if we don't get a direct sequel movie.
Good call. That makes a lot of sense, and I'm going with the theory too.
I really enjoyed this movie, sure it had it's flaws but what movie dosen't nowdays.
the positives out shines the negetive for sure
the positives.
The team.
the Action.
the Fugitive predator one of my favorite predators in many many years.
shane black's huge balls for doing this kind of humor in (2018) people are to soft.
the gore was absolutely fantastic.
the kid i thought he would be horrible but it worked pretty well.
The negetives
in some shots the cgi was abit bad on the predator and the dogs
but only in a couple of scenes.
the iron man suit at the end made no sense.
the 2 friendly predators got cut ( such a shame)
but overall i was really really happy with this movie
here are my ratings of all the movies
predator - 10/10
predator 2- 10/10
predators - 7/10
avp - 4/10
avp requiem - 5/10
the predator 9/10
Glad you enjoyed it, genuinely.
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Glad you enjoyed it, genuinely.
yeah with all the negetive reviews, i was very scared of not coming out liking it.
but to my suprise it was freaking great !
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I really enjoyed this movie, sure it had it's flaws but what movie dosen't nowdays.
the positives out shines the negetive for sure
Agree. It could definitely be better. But there's enough here to get a pass mark.
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I really enjoyed this movie, sure it had it's flaws but what movie dosen't nowdays.
the positives out shines the negetive for sure
Agree. It could definitely be better. But there's enough here to get a pass mark.
yeah for sure! i mean for me this was 9 out of 10 now imagine a extended or directors cut, this could easily become a 10 out of 10
it was such a good time.
9 out of 10... seriously... all avp fans I guess
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 15, 2018, 10:17:46 AM
9 out of 10... seriously... all avp fans I guess
What do you mean ?
I gave avp a 4 out of 10
and requiem a 5 out of 10
so I don't understand your point.
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I really enjoyed this movie, sure it had it's flaws but what movie dosen't nowdays.
the positives out shines the negetive for sure
Agree. It could definitely be better. But there's enough here to get a pass mark.
yeah for sure! i mean for me this was 9 out of 10 now imagine a extended or directors cut, this could easily become a 10 out of 10
it was such a good time.
Yeah if you can except it for what it is, a dumb over the top action movie, that knows it's stupid but just goes with it, then it's fun as hell.
I'd say it's a 9/10 on the fun factor, I really did have a blast watching it but as a complete movie, you can tell the production went through hell and it does hurt the movie, that's why I went with a 7/10 for my score. It's one of those good bad movies.
With critics ripping it to bits, I was expecting a complete disaster but it was far better than I expected tbh, with the humour, gore and action saving it from being unwatchable or not enjoyable.
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I really enjoyed this movie, sure it had it's flaws but what movie dosen't nowdays.
the positives out shines the negetive for sure
Agree. It could definitely be better. But there's enough here to get a pass mark.
yeah for sure! i mean for me this was 9 out of 10 now imagine a extended or directors cut, this could easily become a 10 out of 10
it was such a good time.
Yeah if you can except it for what it is, a dumb over the top action movie, that knows it's stupid but just goes with it, then it's fun as hell.
I'd say it's a 9/10 on the fun factor, I really did have a blast watching it but as a complete movie, you can tell the production went through hell and it does hurt the movie, that's why I went with a 7/10 for my score. It's one of those good bad movies.
With critics ripping it to bits, I was expecting a complete disaster but it was far better than I expected tbh, with the humour, gore and action saving it from being unwatchable or not enjoyable.
Hopefully a directors cut or extended cut can fix some of the flow
Like for me I would love to see the 2 friendly predators make it back into the movie.
But of course I can totally see why a lot of people didn't enjoy this movie, but for me It was just a blast from start to finish.
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I really enjoyed this movie, sure it had it's flaws but what movie dosen't nowdays.
the positives out shines the negetive for sure
Agree. It could definitely be better. But there's enough here to get a pass mark.
Barely. I give the film 3/5 or 3.5/5, but anything more is just being a sycophant. The film as a whole is enjoyable, but as a sequel it never escapes mediocre fan fiction level. The added lore screws fans of thirty years of films, comics and games even.
I knew going in I was going yo disagree with a lot of stuff and if you've seen the first two trailers you where able to put together roughly 90% of the plot.
I did like how self aware it seems, the constant remarks of Predator sounding nicer but being less accurate for instance, a nice nod to the original title of the first film.
But ultimately it is pretty much a Dekker film with Black dialogue.
A 9/10? Seriously? The film is fun, most of it, in fact the best joke is done by a pred... But the movie have seriois issues, with all the reshoots half of the movie is a mess, a fun mes, but the way its eddited its atrocius, some parts have a cgi worse than some videogames, the dogs were meh, unnecesary, the upgrade is boring compared with fugitive..
So this movie cant be a 9/10.. Predator 1 is a 9/10, but not this one.. And the last scene is absurd and unnecesary.
A 6/10 just for the 30 first minutes that are pure gold, if all the movie had the same level as the beggining it would have been a solid 8/10.
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A 9/10? Seriously? The film is fun, most of it, in fact the best joke is done by a pred... But the movie have seriois issues, with all the reshoots half of the movie is a mess, a fun mes, but the way its eddited its atrocius, some parts have a cgi worse than some videogames, the dogs were meh, unnecesary, the upgrade is boring compared with fugitive..
So this movie cant be a 9/10.. Predator 1 is a 9/10, but not this one.. And the last scene is absurd and unnecesary.
A 6/10 just for the 30 first minutes that are pure gold, if all the movie had the same level as the beggining it would have been a solid 8/10.
well i dont agree :) but you have every right to feel how you feel hehe.
I do agree. It started out as a solid film, then went full Dekker.
Another thing that bothers me: wasted potential. Busey doing nothing more than just make faces that feel out of place and having lines that seem delivered by a cardboard box... connecting to earlier films being marginal at best... Added lore being handled in such a way that it only leaves limited options after this film...
Well, we know one direction they could go that wouldn't be affected by anything in this film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHxFa08XE3w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHxFa08XE3w)
#1715 :laugh:
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I really enjoyed this movie, sure it had it's flaws but what movie dosen't nowdays.
the positives out shines the negetive for sure
Agree. It could definitely be better. But there's enough here to get a pass mark.
yeah for sure! i mean for me this was 9 out of 10 now imagine a extended or directors cut, this could easily become a 10 out of 10
it was such a good time.
Yeah if you can except it for what it is, a dumb over the top action movie, that knows it's stupid but just goes with it, then it's fun as hell.
I'd say it's a 9/10 on the fun factor, I really did have a blast watching it but as a complete movie, you can tell the production went through hell and it does hurt the movie, that's why I went with a 7/10 for my score. It's one of those good bad movies.
With critics ripping it to bits, I was expecting a complete disaster but it was far better than I expected tbh, with the humour, gore and action saving it from being unwatchable or not enjoyable.
Hopefully a directors cut or extended cut can fix some of the flow
Like for me I would love to see the 2 friendly predators make it back into the movie.
But of course I can totally see why a lot of people didn't enjoy this movie, but for me It was just a blast from start to finish.
Yeah it's a shame they got cut completely and didn't just get their roles improved and reworked back into the script.
It would have been pretty cool in the final battle to have the Assassin hunting the humans and the other 2 Predators arrive on Earth (allies of Fugitive) to hunt down the Assassin, leading to a deadly game of cat and mouse in the forest.
So, The Predator is a Predator-themed action comedy. IMO, the movie is as bad and as good as people say it is.
The bad:
- editing is really that bad, and weird, super weird; sometimes it made me think it had been done on purpose; characters, places and parts of the plot appear out of nowhere!
- certain parts of the plot were unnecessary (e.g. McKenna's wife and kid)
- some deaths didn't have the impact they should have had
- Rogue Predator should have stayed around for longer
- the dogs could have been utilized differently
- there were a lot of over-the-top and overkill scenes that were meant to be gruesome and turned out to be like "oh, come on, that's silly!"
- an absolute lack of horror/terror/fear in characters; there's lots of loud noises, gore, blood, guts but everything and everyone is jolly as f**k
- some scenes could have benefited from more practical effects
- the ending can f**k off
The good:
- comedy and humor; it's a funny movie
- some really cool gore/death scenes
- Predator language/subtitles
- Rogue Predator running and moving around, I thought this would suck but it came out really neat
- Predators killing humans with a part of their body that hasn't been used in other movies as far as I can remember
- Scenes with spaceships in the air
- acting (especially the comedic aspect of it: Sterling K. Brown, Thomas Jane, Trevante Rhodes and Keegan-Michael Key)
Now give me a goddamn Predator prequel/remake with Jim Hopper's team!!
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I really enjoyed this movie, sure it had it's flaws but what movie dosen't nowdays.
the positives out shines the negetive for sure
Agree. It could definitely be better. But there's enough here to get a pass mark.
yeah for sure! i mean for me this was 9 out of 10 now imagine a extended or directors cut, this could easily become a 10 out of 10
it was such a good time.
Yeah if you can except it for what it is, a dumb over the top action movie, that knows it's stupid but just goes with it, then it's fun as hell.
I'd say it's a 9/10 on the fun factor, I really did have a blast watching it but as a complete movie, you can tell the production went through hell and it does hurt the movie, that's why I went with a 7/10 for my score. It's one of those good bad movies.
With critics ripping it to bits, I was expecting a complete disaster but it was far better than I expected tbh, with the humour, gore and action saving it from being unwatchable or not enjoyable.
Hopefully a directors cut or extended cut can fix some of the flow
Like for me I would love to see the 2 friendly predators make it back into the movie.
But of course I can totally see why a lot of people didn't enjoy this movie, but for me It was just a blast from start to finish.
Yeah it's a shame they got cut completely and didn't just get their roles improved and reworked back into the script.
It would have been pretty cool in the final battle to have the Assassin hunting the humans and the other 2 Predators arrive on Earth (allies of Fugitive) to hunt down the Assassin, leading to a deadly game of cat and mouse in the forest.
yeah that would have been bad ass for sure.
Watching it today. Coming with my ranking later on.
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Watching it today. Coming with my ranking later on.
cool hopefully you will enjoy it !
Between 3/5 & 4/5 ultimately.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 15, 2018, 02:01:35 PM
Between 3/5 & 4/5 ultimately.
hey the old one what did you give the predator again ?
3.8/5
But that may change, I have only seen it once.
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3.8/5
But that may change, I have only seen it once.
that's a fine score when you compare it to RT scores. (so many 1/5-2/5)
Can i not pretend i just didn't see the ending? Holy cow its even worst than i feared. Whos idea was this? What drugs were they smoking? Anyone saying fox did this , because im pointing the finger at shane black, "Um hello, earth to shane! "Yano shooting for iron man 3 finished a long time ago right? Quit getting high on set, you are making a film about predator god damn it!"
what a disaster of a film, the first half was not to bad, a positive i would say is some of the action looked really nice, but everything just nose dives and i now cant take any of it seriously! Not to mention that AvP is "officially" canon to the predator movies!! There was more references to AvP then the original predator films, like seriously wtf?
I'm just going to crawl into this hole over here in the corner and die.... I used to hate predators, now i really respect it all of a sudden.
All jokes aside, seriously people that ending has got to be one of the worst, most forced endings, in hollywood history. This film is a definitely a hot contender for the annual Razzie Awards. ;D
2/5 ::)
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 15, 2018, 02:19:19 PM
Can i not pretend i just didn't see the ending? Holy cow its even worst than i feared. Whos idea was this? What drugs were they smoking? Anyone saying fox did this , because im pointing the finger at shane black, "Um hello, earth to shane! "Yano shooting for iron man 3 finished a long time ago right? Quit getting high on set, you are making a film about predator god damn it!"
what a disaster of a film, the first half was not to bad, a positive i would say is some of the action looked really nice, but everything just nose dives and i now cant take any of it seriously! Not to mention that AvP is "officially" canon to the predator movies!! There was more references to AvP then the original predator films, like seriously wtf?
I'm just going to crawl into this hole over here in the corner and die.... I used to hate predators, now i really respect it all of a sudden.
All jokes aside, seriously people that ending has got to be one of the worst, most forced endings, in hollywood history. This film is a definitely a hot contender for the annual Razzie Awards. ;D
2/5 ::)
I hate Predators as well. Going to watch this in one more hour and see what da f**k it's all about :D I hope I enjoy it more than Predators.
Some people like covenant, so i understand someone can put a 9/10 to this crap.
Lets be honest, half of the movie is good, the part when they dont mess with dna, with no cgi shit..i was really enjoying, thinking this movie is amazing, but then it fails, but fails so hard than you forget the amazing start, and its sad, because the movie could have been a nice comeback... But nop, generic modern cgi monster and iron man suits...
Comparing this to Covenant is not applicable.
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 15, 2018, 02:27:27 PM
Some people like covenant, so i understand someone can put a 9/10 to this crap.
Lets be honest, half of the movie is good, the part when they dont mess with dna, with no cgi shit..i was really enjoying, thinking this movie is amazing, but then it fails, but fails so hard than you forget the amazing start, and its sad, because the movie could have been a nice comeback... But nop, generic modern cgi monster and iron man suits...
i thought it was a pretty good comback when you look at the titles it was up against avp avp requiem and predators.
Where was the 'gift to human kind' originally going and what was in it? Or was it never a gift?
You'd have to ask Shane Black.
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 15, 2018, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 15, 2018, 02:27:27 PM
Some people like covenant, so i understand someone can put a 9/10 to this crap.
Lets be honest, half of the movie is good, the part when they dont mess with dna, with no cgi shit..i was really enjoying, thinking this movie is amazing, but then it fails, but fails so hard than you forget the amazing start, and its sad, because the movie could have been a nice comeback... But nop, generic modern cgi monster and iron man suits...
i thought it was a pretty good comback when you look at the titles it was up against avp avp requiem and predators.
As long as you can except the different direction it goes for, action / comedy, that doesn't take itself seriously and can deal with the production problems, choppy editing ect, then it's a very enjoyable movie, even if it's a bad enjoyable movie. I'll stick by my 7/10 though, the good outweighs the bad imo.
If some fans wanted more from it and a more serious tone, which I get (it would be great to have another movie on par or even better than the original) I can understand people not liking it, although after Predator 2, Predators and the AvP movies, expecting something really amazing is probably setting yourself up for disappointment. - Just for the record, I like those movies too, but they are also bad / enjoyable movies.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 15, 2018, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 15, 2018, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 15, 2018, 02:27:27 PM
Some people like covenant, so i understand someone can put a 9/10 to this crap.
Lets be honest, half of the movie is good, the part when they dont mess with dna, with no cgi shit..i was really enjoying, thinking this movie is amazing, but then it fails, but fails so hard than you forget the amazing start, and its sad, because the movie could have been a nice comeback... But nop, generic modern cgi monster and iron man suits...
i thought it was a pretty good comback when you look at the titles it was up against avp avp requiem and predators.
As long as you can except the different direction it goes for, action / comedy, that doesn't take itself seriously and can deal with the production problems, choppy editing ect, then it's a very enjoyable movie, even if it's a bad enjoyable movie. I'll stick by my 7/10 though, the good outweighs the bad imo.
If some fans wanted more from it and a more serious tone, which I get (it would be great to have another movie on par or even better than the original) I can understand people not liking it, although after Predator 2, Predators and the AvP movies, expecting something really amazing is probably setting yourself up for disappointment. - Just for the record, I like those movies too, but they are also bad / enjoyable movies.
I always preferred requiem over avp 2004 I hated how Anderson shot the alien vs. predator fight scene it felt so clunky I guess is the word.
and im a huge predator fan so it was nice to see wolf take out some dumb aliens. (requiem)
hopefully all that choppy editing can be fixed with a directors cut for the predator or extended cut kinda like the extra stuff we got with avp requiem unrated ( it helped alittle)
Requiem is without a shred of quality, and no matter how much I dislike AVP 2004 I can't say the same for that film. AVPR is indisputably the worst thing to come out of either franchise.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 15, 2018, 03:10:44 PM
Requiem is without a shred of quality, and no matter how much I dislike AVP 2004 I can't say the same for that film. AVPR is indisputably the worst thing to come out of either franchise.
what saved the movie for me was the wolf predator.
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 15, 2018, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 15, 2018, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 15, 2018, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 15, 2018, 02:27:27 PM
Some people like covenant, so i understand someone can put a 9/10 to this crap.
Lets be honest, half of the movie is good, the part when they dont mess with dna, with no cgi shit..i was really enjoying, thinking this movie is amazing, but then it fails, but fails so hard than you forget the amazing start, and its sad, because the movie could have been a nice comeback... But nop, generic modern cgi monster and iron man suits...
i thought it was a pretty good comback when you look at the titles it was up against avp avp requiem and predators.
As long as you can except the different direction it goes for, action / comedy, that doesn't take itself seriously and can deal with the production problems, choppy editing ect, then it's a very enjoyable movie, even if it's a bad enjoyable movie. I'll stick by my 7/10 though, the good outweighs the bad imo.
If some fans wanted more from it and a more serious tone, which I get (it would be great to have another movie on par or even better than the original) I can understand people not liking it, although after Predator 2, Predators and the AvP movies, expecting something really amazing is probably setting yourself up for disappointment. - Just for the record, I like those movies too, but they are also bad / enjoyable movies.
I always preferred requiem over avp 2004 I hated how Anderson shot the alien vs. predator fight scene it felt so clunky I guess is the word.
and im a huge predator fan so it was nice to see wolf take out some dumb aliens. (requiem)
hopefully all that choppy editing can be fixed with a directors cut for the predator or extended cut kinda like the extra stuff we got with avp requiem unrated ( it helped alittle)
I'm mixed on the 2 AvP movies really. I liked the plot and characters more in AvP but the action was pretty tame and I like the action and gore of Requiem but the characters and plot were just terrible. Wolf was my favourite thing about that movie too.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 15, 2018, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 15, 2018, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 15, 2018, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 15, 2018, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 15, 2018, 02:27:27 PM
Some people like covenant, so i understand someone can put a 9/10 to this crap.
Lets be honest, half of the movie is good, the part when they dont mess with dna, with no cgi shit..i was really enjoying, thinking this movie is amazing, but then it fails, but fails so hard than you forget the amazing start, and its sad, because the movie could have been a nice comeback... But nop, generic modern cgi monster and iron man suits...
i thought it was a pretty good comback when you look at the titles it was up against avp avp requiem and predators.
As long as you can except the different direction it goes for, action / comedy, that doesn't take itself seriously and can deal with the production problems, choppy editing ect, then it's a very enjoyable movie, even if it's a bad enjoyable movie. I'll stick by my 7/10 though, the good outweighs the bad imo.
If some fans wanted more from it and a more serious tone, which I get (it would be great to have another movie on par or even better than the original) I can understand people not liking it, although after Predator 2, Predators and the AvP movies, expecting something really amazing is probably setting yourself up for disappointment. - Just for the record, I like those movies too, but they are also bad / enjoyable movies.
I always preferred requiem over avp 2004 I hated how Anderson shot the alien vs. predator fight scene it felt so clunky I guess is the word.
and im a huge predator fan so it was nice to see wolf take out some dumb aliens. (requiem)
hopefully all that choppy editing can be fixed with a directors cut for the predator or extended cut kinda like the extra stuff we got with avp requiem unrated ( it helped alittle)
I'm mixed on the 2 AvP movies really. I liked the plot and characters more in AvP but the action was pretty tame and I like the action and gore of Requiem but the characters and plot were just terrible. Wolf was my favourite thing about that movie too.
hehe they should have switched it around
avp 1 with the creature + gore fights and avp requiem with the avp 1 story.
Honestly i think that ending is so unforgivable that whatever i enjoyed to begin with was just washed away, this is the ultimate sour taste experience as a fan of this character for most of my life. I mean the upgrade, the wonky plot, the " all predators splice DNA thing" the hounds, the predator killer, its all just absolute garbage. I'm tired of some members trying to defend the inexcusable. This is why i have no respect for 20th century fox anymore, they take no pride in films anymore, no passion to create anything worthwhile or memorable, just all hype and cheap shots, cutting corners to get a quick buck.
Despite the flashy effects and the gore and Sterling K Brown and Trevante Rhodes, who were about the only thing it got right imo, this film is by far the worst entry in the series, sure AvP and AvP-R were bad, but at least they didn't damage the lore.
my favorites are as follows...
P1
P2
PREDATORS
AVP
AVP-R
THE PREDATOR
It's only your perception of the lore that's been damaged.
i see another one trying to defend the generic nonsense fox has put out, stay blind The old one. you accept sh*t and pretend its caviar... its all good, look how has it not damaged the lore. stop trolling. ;D
i mean you are just trolling really the old one, iv noticed most of your comments, have been snaps at other members, with passive aggressive one liners , without bringing anything to the table. Either contribute something and explain why im wrong, or stop replying pal.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 15, 2018, 03:57:46 PM
i see another one trying to defend the generic nonsense fox has put out, stay blind The old one. you accept sh*t and pretend its caviar... its all good, look how has it not damaged the lore. stop trolling. ;D
i mean you are just trolling really the old one, iv noticed most of your comments, have been snaps at other members, with passive aggressive one liners , without bringing anything to the table. Either contribute something and explain why im wrong, or stop replying pal.
I don't understand so if some people enjoyed the movie it's trolling and defending ?
How about we all got different tastes ?
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 15, 2018, 03:43:40 PM
Honestly i think that ending is so unforgivable that whatever i enjoyed to begin with was just washed away, this is the ultimate sour taste experience as a fan of this character for most of my life. I mean the upgrade, the wonky plot, the " all predators splice DNA thing" the hounds, the predator killer, its all just absolute garbage. I'm tired of some members trying to defend the inexcusable. This is why i have no respect for 20th century fox anymore, they take no pride in films anymore, no passion to create anything worthwhile or memorable, just all hype and cheap shots, cutting corners to get a quick buck.
Despite the flashy effects and the gore and Sterling K Brown and Trevante Rhodes, who were about the only thing it got right imo, this film is by far the worst entry in the series, sure AvP and AvP-R were bad, but at least they didn't damage the lore.
my favorites are as follows...
P1
P2
PREDATORS
AVP
AVP-R
THE PREDATOR
There is nothing really 100% about the lore that can't be altered again though because the movie doesn't go into much detail.
I just put it down to this one clan doing DNA experiments and wanting to invade ect and the Stargazer scientists are only guessing at that stuff, going by the tests on the captured Fugitive Pred, it doesn't mean they all do it.
Another film can easily drop that sub plot if they wanted to.
Ok, so we have nice first half with some interesting scenes, and typical Black's humor. And then everything goes to hell when
Spoiler
big predator kills the normal predator
. After that the movie simply sucks. And it sucks harder and harder as it approaches finale and when it happens, it sucks even more.
Second half looks like some stupid fanfic written by 12 yo fanboy, with literally every single idea being facepalm-generating-bulls**t and last scene tops even AVP-R in stupidity department. As a long time predator fan (I think its 24 years since I've seen P1 for a first time) I am disgusted with what I saw yesterday.
4/10 (two stars), because first half was good.
It IS worse than Covenant, and much worse than "Predators".
and btw, what was going on with that dog?
Anyway...
Predator - 9/10
Predator 2 - 9/10
Predators - 7/10
AVP - 5/10
The Predator - 4/10
AVP-R - 1/10
I never once even acknowledged you in my assessment of this film ELDERCLANLEADER and I'm not taking this shit from you
Having little to no hope for this movie, I went in with very low expectations. I ended up enjoying parts of it.
The plot is absurd and ventures into black goo territory, Predator style. Its loftly, lazy and does the lore no favours nor does it set up exciting prospects for the future of the franchise. The action is far and few between. The best kills are in the trailers. And the ones that aren't are over so soon that you are left wondering whether a character died or not. Final act in particular is abysmal. Too dark and poorly edited.
But man I loved the humour here. Given the situation, PTSD soldiers taking on space aliens, the chemistry was really there. Boyd and Rhodes were fantastic. As was Key, Jane and Munn. All of the jokes really hit it home for me. Laughed my ass off in the theatre. The black guys joke and the p*ssy exchange between Munn and Jane were the highlights.
Fun one time watch for me. I'm not a religious Predator fan but even I acknowledge that the plot, lore and characterisation of the Predator was whack. (Thumbs up was a good touch though).
3/5
Angry Joe review(s), one spoiler free & one where they do discuss spoilers....unsure how to embed YouTube videos.
Spoiler free:
Spoiler discussion:
Edit: My ratings
Predator - 7.9/10
Predator 2 - 6.0/10
Predators - 6.2/10
AVP - 5.9/10
AVP R - 2.0/10
The Predator - 6.5/10
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 15, 2018, 03:57:46 PM
i see another one trying to defend the generic nonsense fox has put out, stay blind The old one. you accept sh*t and pretend its caviar... its all good, look how has it not damaged the lore. stop trolling. ;D
i mean you are just trolling really the old one, iv noticed most of your comments, have been snaps at other members, with passive aggressive one liners , without bringing anything to the table. Either contribute something and explain why im wrong, or stop replying pal.
People are entitled to enjoy this film. People are entitled to not. What I've made plainly clear that people aren't titled to do is attack others for not sharing the same opinion. Please don't resort to this childish behaviour again.
That goes for everyone.
well i enjoyed it..but i dont think it was a anywhere near a great film. it probably killed any chance of us getting a decent predator film in at least the next 10/15 years :-\ a genuine horror type film with a much more serious tone would have been better, this was just more action comedy type, fun but a wasted oppurtinty. the plot was all over the place and quite honestly i dont think it would have mattered now if they put out the early version with the freindly preds.
where did the masks come from that were at the base?
really annoys me the upgrade has a hud in his vision
felt sorry for the fugutive...i dont want to feel sorry i want to be glad when they are defeated etc
sterling was stand out...shame his charecter wasnt in a more serious film other. he reminded me a lot of peter keyes
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 15, 2018, 03:24:24 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 15, 2018, 03:10:44 PM
Requiem is without a shred of quality, and no matter how much I dislike AVP 2004 I can't say the same for that film. AVPR is indisputably the worst thing to come out of either franchise.
what saved the movie for me was the wolf predator.
So you're admitting that you're cool with letting the aliens get raped and humiliated for the sake of glorifying your precious predator? AVP at least let both Alien and Predator get their moments in the spotlight, but you obviously don't want the aliens to have their moments of glory. You do realize the Aliens in AVPR were turned into 4-feet-tall weak pussies instead of the 8-foot-tall perfect organisms that they were in the other films, right? So praising Wolf is like praising a school-yard bully who beats up on the retarded kids. isn't it funny how in every single predator film the predators always get killed easily, even the ultimate predator got taken out by a few grenades and few bullets to the head. a predator got killed with a single swipe of a samurai sword and yet wolf doesn't even get a scratch from the aliens even though it's already been proven that a single alien can kill two predators and yet they're inexplicably so weak in AVPR that wolf can hold two of them up by their necks. So your saving grace for the worst Predator movie is a predator who is Mary sue/writer's pet. Sad, really sad. I suggest you set your standards a little higher.
I've just realised that Fred Dekker, reponsible for a Robocop 3 trainwreck, was a co-writer here. It shows.
Jet pack!
Saw The Predator last night.
I was pretty disappointed with it. I had fun watching it but that was only for the humor and comedy between the main cast. In fact the main cast and their chemistry was the only thing holding it together in my opinion. Especially Keegan Michael Key and Thomas Jane.
There were some really great concepts and ideas and I'm really curious to hear about the development process because I've really loved all of Shane Black's other movies.
Predator 87 was great for the action and also comedy and even campiness but The Predator seemed to get the mixture of those three things wrong cause I only really cared for the comedy.
Still not as bad as AvP:R though.
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I give this movie a 7/10. Spoilers within.
I found myself enjoying most of it, especially the first half. Fugitive was great as a Predator character. He looked cool, was intelligent, fast, calculating and really made the whole lab scene memorable. He's probably ADI'S best looking Predator.
One thing no one is mentioning is when he used his mandibles to attack the scientist (that was totally awesome and something we've never seen before!) A Predator WOULD do that if given the opportunity. Even Upgrade did it in the tree if I recall correctly where he liked ate some dude's face off. Brutal (but the CGI in that scene was the worst).
I liked how Upgrade incorporated his innate Predator drive to hunt when he gave the remaining survivors a 7 minute head-start. He was here on a specific mission but he had some fun with it in the end and was cocky which all Predators seem to be. I enjoyed him communicating with Fugitive and the Humans via translator. Very smart.
I didn't really get how the biomask had access to Upgrades holographic 'surgery' scene but oh well.
I wish we had more Fugitive in the end. I think it would have been awesome if we were led to believe he was dead but somehow saved the day in the end and gave the humans the tech with some context and flew away (would have been the first time we see a Pred live too).
I was just thinking that about the Predators biting. Using their mandibles was an interesting new addition to the lore and makes sense they would use them, or why would they have them ? The Assassin biting that guys head off was brutal. I liked the Assassin going on the hunt too. He's like, mission complete, now lets hunt these motherf**kers. :)
The Predators communicating was also something I really liked. Shame it wasn't fleshed out more in this one but I'd love to see more of it in a sequel (direct sequel or a totally separate Predator movie)
As for the mask showing the surgery stuff, I'm guessing Fugitive is from the same clan (as he has other DNA in him too) so has the data but he clearly doesn't agree with what they are planning, so he steals some stuff and runs. Or the other theory is the surgery wasn't the Upgrade being made but it was the other Predators experimenting on Fugitive, maybe trying to make him into anther upgrade and he was like "f**k that, I'm out."
It's never made fully clear or explained in detail though, so I guess you can go with whichever you like really.
Hmm, I like that head-cannon about the surgery scene! Either one works and that makes me enjoy the film more as it helps make the plot have more sense. I know a film shouldn't leave you using head-cannon to make sense of things but in this case it's fine as Predator lore has always been mysterious/never fully fleshed out.
Saw it yesterday, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Probably tied with Predator 2 for the best sequel in the series for me. I really dug the Predators in this movie. Fugitive was a serious badass, and I found myself remarking to my mom how good the practical effects on him were, especially in the the Stargazer scenes where he's basically naked. Seeing him use a human gun was pretty damn funny, and I liked the scene where has basically politely asked the Loonies to put their guns down. I do wish he had stuck around longer.
The Assassin was played a lot better than I expected. The design was just new enough to be interesting, and I think I probably prefer him to the Super Preds from the last movie. All the scenes with him talking were a blast, especially when he talked to the human through the translator. "I will give you time advantage." :laugh: It's unfortunate that the only two bad effects in the movie where scenes with Assassin, namely the one where he's in the tree eating the guy (looks legitimately unfinished) and the very last shot of his corpse. What's up with that super awkward fade cut?
The scene where the kid sees the Preds creating Assassin was neat, but I do have a question: where those planets blowing up later in the recording, or something else? As for the autism angle, I am interested to see what the response to that is once mainstream outlets catch on. I find it intriguing, but that sort of thing is always a minefield when it comes to how stuff like that is represented in media.
The action was a lot of fun, even the spaceship scene at the end, where I was afraid it would go over the top, and I loved how vicious both Preds were. It was refreshing to not have another sanitized Predator movie.
Maybe it's because I had heard so much negativity about the humor so I was expecting worse, but I actually didn't mind the Loonies or their banter. Mckenna was no Arnold, but the movie didn't try to make him Arnold, so it avoids the Adrian Brodie pitfall from the last movie. Jake Busey was great for the small role he had, and I will commend the movie for having just enough nostalgia nods (mostly confined the the Star Gazer base scene) to make it fun without spoiling things like happened with the third act of Predators 2010. The AVP spear was damn cool to see.
As far as the complaints about the mythology, I understand them but I don't really agree. Aside from the genetic engineering angle, the only thing that is really added is that some Predators don't want us getting totally stomped. I also liked how the movie handled Fugitive as a "heroic" Predator: he was trying to do us a favor, but wan't afraid to wreck everyone once they started getting in his way. The aforementioned "lower your weapons" scene was a great bit of characterization, so was his skeptical response when Mckenna handed him the control device. I wish that moment had been allowed to play out a bit more.
That all being said, the barn scene is clearly where editing and reshoots started making an effect. Those scenes just play out in a really disjointed fashion, but after that I actually thought the final act played pretty well. I just wish we had less of Loonies vs Star Gazer nonsense, and like everyone has already said, Treager needed a better death.
Overall a strong 8/10 for me. I'm already planning on seeing it again. I didn't even hate the Predator Killer. It likely won't be followed up on, so it can stand as a fun little expansion of the mythos, or maybe down the line it will turn up in a comic or something.
Just saw the movie. I will say that the first 40 min or so of the movie was absolutely beautiful. Well done, gave me the good old days vibe. I loved the fugitive, the lab scene was fantastic.
This movie could have been so much better if they didn't go with the list below.
1- the ending
2- The boy
3- to much humor
4- The upgrade was unnecessary same with the dogs.
P1 10/10
P2 8/10
The Predator 6/10
Predators 5/10
Avp 4/10
Avpr 3/10
Just got back from this. Overall, I enjoyed it a lot.
Positives:
-The cast was great, as was the humor. The Loonies were amazing.
-Good action and violence.
-Plot was intriguing and more than just another hunt.
-The lab escape was badass.
-Chad>Chet
Negatives:
-Some bits were obviously missing, like where the Loonies got the RV.
-The pacing early on is way too fast.
-The reshot third act wasn't much. It felt very small and less than impressive. It basically amounted to a bunch of guys stumbling around in the woods and dying.
-That ending scene was dumb.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Sep 15, 2018, 07:22:57 PM
Just got back from this. Overall, I enjoyed it a lot.
Positives:
-The cast was great, as was the humor. The Loonies were amazing.
-Good action and violence.
-Plot was intriguing and more than just another hunt.
-The lab escape was badass.
-Chad>Chet
Negatives:
-Some bits were obviously missing, like where the Loonies got the RV.
-The pacing early on is way too fast.
-The reshot third act wasn't much. It felt very small and less than impressive. It basically amounted to a bunch of guys stumbling around in the woods and dying.
-That ending scene was dumb.
The loonies are always stealing vehicles off screen in this movie, at one point Coyle comes back with a news chopper, was it meant to be a running joke? because I was laughing. :laugh:
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Sep 15, 2018, 07:22:57 PM
Just got back from this. Overall, I enjoyed it a lot.
Positives:
-The cast was great, as was the humor. The Loonies were amazing.
-Good action and violence.
-Plot was intriguing and more than just another hunt.
-The lab escape was badass.
-Chad>Chet
Negatives:
-Some bits were obviously missing, like where the Loonies got the RV.
-The pacing early on is way too fast.
-The reshot third act wasn't much. It felt very small and less than impressive. It basically amounted to a bunch of guys stumbling around in the woods and dying.
-That ending scene was dumb.
The loonies are always stealing vehicles off screen in this movie, at one point Coyle comes back with a news chopper, was it meant to be a running joke? because I was laughing. :laugh:
The news chopper and the police car worked fine for me. The RV was just, what? :laugh: Not helped by the script actually explaining that from what I remember.
The Predator came across like a film school student edited scenes from a crime caper comedy with a Predator movie for a class project. You can really tell it got chopped and reshot to hell. Especially in the second half.
I found it a really difficult film to come to terms with. Like I didn't hate it but it was just all over the place. Personally it's the only non-rewatchable entry out of the four Predator films [with the exception of the lab scene, that was really cool].
That ending though... Jesus Christ what were they thinking with that? It was obvious that it was originally written to have Arnie in the suit or something, but with him turning it down they went with making The Predator the latest entry to the Marvel comic book movie universe.
Had they just stopped at a functioning gauntlet, we would be OK...
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 15, 2018, 06:48:36 PM
Saw it yesterday, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Probably tied with Predator 2 for the best sequel in the series for me. I really dug the Predators in this movie. Fugitive was a serious badass, and I found myself remarking to my mom how good the practical effects on him were, especially in the the Stargazer scenes where he's basically naked. Seeing him use a human gun was pretty damn funny, and I liked the scene where has basically politely asked the Loonies to put their guns down. I do wish he had stuck around longer.
The Assassin was played a lot better than I expected. The design was just new enough to be interesting, and I think I probably prefer him to the Super Preds from the last movie. All the scenes with him talking were a blast, especially when he talked to the human through the translator. "I will give you time advantage." :laugh: It's unfortunate that the only two bad effects in the movie where scenes with Assassin, namely the one where he's in the tree eating the guy (looks legitimately unfinished) and the very last shot of his corpse. What's up with that super awkward fade cut?
The scene where the kid sees the Preds creating Assassin was neat, but I do have a question: where those planets blowing up later in the recording, or something else? As for the autism angle, I am interested to see what the response to that is once mainstream outlets catch on. I find it intriguing, but that sort of thing is always a minefield when it comes to how stuff like that is represented in media.
The action was a lot of fun, even the spaceship scene at the end, where I was afraid it would go over the top, and I loved how vicious both Preds were. It was refreshing to not have another sanitized Predator movie.
Maybe it's because I had heard so much negativity about the humor so I was expecting worse, but I actually didn't mind the Loonies or their banter. Mckenna was no Arnold, but the movie didn't try to make him Arnold, so it avoids the Adrian Brodie pitfall from the last movie. Jake Busey was great for the small role he had, and I will commend the movie for having just enough nostalgia nods (mostly confined the the Star Gazer base scene) to make it fun without spoiling things like happened with the third act of Predators 2010. The AVP spear was damn cool to see.
As far as the complaints about the mythology, I understand them but I don't really agree. Aside from the genetic engineering angle, the only thing that is really added is that some Predators don't want us getting totally stomped. I also liked how the movie handled Fugitive as a "heroic" Predator: he was trying to do us a favor, but wan't afraid to wreck everyone once they started getting in his way. The aforementioned "lower your weapons" scene was a great bit of characterization, so was his skeptical response when Mckenna handed him the control device. I wish that moment had been allowed to play out a bit more.
That all being said, the barn scene is clearly where editing and reshoots started making an effect. Those scenes just play out in a really disjointed fashion, but after that I actually thought the final act played pretty well. I just wish we had less of Loonies vs Star Gazer nonsense, and like everyone has already said, Treager needed a better death.
Overall a strong 8/10 for me. I'm already planning on seeing it again. I didn't even hate the Predator Killer. It likely won't be followed up on, so it can stand as a fun little expansion of the mythos, or maybe down the line it will turn up in a comic or something.
I did really enjoy the practical effects on Fugitive, but the face was still miles from being as good as the original.
Enjoyed reading your positive thoughts though dude.
To be fair, the creature was in constant motion with no focus on his face. Waste of money to underuse the titular character this way...
Quoteonce mainstream outlets catch on.
QuoteI need the spinal fluid of an autistic child so I can become a space genius
If you actually think that... "concept" has mainstream appeal you're going to be very sad, very soon.
Quote from: Xhan on Sep 15, 2018, 10:35:39 PM
Quoteonce mainstream outlets catch on.
QuoteI need the spinal fluid of an autistic child so I can become a space genius
If you actually think that... "concept" has mainstream appeal you're going to be very sad, very soon.
I found the kid to be hamfisted when it comes to portraying autistic kids. And the concept rather dumb. T breaks with established character instead of expanding on it.
No saying it has mainstream appeal, the exact opposite. I meant it's probably going to be another controversy.
Saw it with friends and, it was better than expected, we loved it. I dunno maybe we're all immature, but so was the audience the humor was too good. Any changes made to the reason why Predators hunt I didn't mind. And the Predator Killer is, stupid, but god we wanted to see that crap in action... Which won't happen because of the general response to the whole thing. Here's to another hiatus and reboot in the next decade or two. :P
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 15, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
No saying it has mainstream appeal, the exact opposite. I meant it's probably going to be another controversy.
An autistic collegue of mine just yelled "thank you!" When they explained some see it as the next step in evolution
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 15, 2018, 10:45:14 PM
No saying it has mainstream appeal, the exact opposite. I meant it's probably going to be another controversy.
An autistic collegue of mine just yelled "thank you!" When they explained some see it as the next step in evolution
That's why I'm interested to see how the response plays out. It's not an offensive treatment of autism, but at the same time I can see clickbait articles screaming about "Predator wants to murder autistic child."
The movie wasn't that bad, but it wasn't good either. I prefer the Upgrade Predator design than the Super Predators design from the previous movie, but the story wasn't that great. The action was nice, the team was better than I suspected they would be, the kid was unnecessary and the idea of deciphering the Predator language and tech in couple hours was just silly. I won't even mention the Predator invasion and Predator suit at the end. That's like Predator meets Marvel Avengers - total crap.
6/10 for me. I think I liked it a little more than Predators (I really hate the Super Predators design) but it's no way near to 1 & 2.
This all hybridization idea could have been played way better and the movie would have been better. Just switch the roles - the Upgrade is a Bad Blood from a clan that's just obsessed with the hunt and wanting to become the perfect hunters, no matter what. They are hybridizing themselves to be better and that is seen by the rest of the clans as heresy. They hunt them down across the galaxy and we start the movie with the normal Predator being send to kill the Upgrade. He's an old, skilled hunter that thinks he can take out the Bad Blood alone. The Upgrade ship is damaged in a space combat, he warps and hides on Earth to repair his ship. He kills some local military force and that grabs the attention of the government task force that knows about Predator visits. They send the team and meanwhile the other (normal) Predator arrives on Earth to hunt down the Upgrade. There's a big fight, most humans are killed by the Upgrade, some by the regular Predator (they are in the way to his prey), Predators fight, it's inconclusive but the regular hunter knows he won't be able to take the Upgrade alone so he teams up with the last remaining human, gives him some Predator tech to give him some chance and they both fight the hybridized beast. At the end, they managed to kill it but at a price - the honorable hunter sacrifices his life to finally take down the abomination. THE END. Easy.
Give that man a cookie, that plot is 1000 times better
Overall it is a good film for what it is. Some parts did feel rushed, some bits made me go wtf? How did he? Where did they get that? The gore was on point! Damn that was the most violent of the franchise. The loonies were ridiculously likeable. The comedy in my opinion meshed well with the action. It did seem to fall flat at times, but the good outweighs the bad. Fugitives design was amazing! Good job ADI! You didn't f**k this one up. Fugitive had some great moments 😂😂. The parts where it was cgi did really make me go....f**k. Other than that I really had no other complaints. The predator killer was alright in my book. If it can actually be used in the right way. Solid 7/10 .
Just came back from the theater. Maybe I was just in need of a night of laughter, but I thought it was awesome! There were about 40 people in the theater, it was a late showing, and there actually was a bit of applause at the end of it. Also, there were definitely more than a few jokes that got the whole theater laughing.
Even though a lot of people don't like the comedy direction this movie went with, I'm glad they kept it in the basic concept of humans against Predators. I always thought one of the worst scenes in AVP was when the human and Predator run off in the distance. I always felt like they were going to give a high five at some point.
Yes, there were some moments that were confusing. The suit at the end. Yeah, that was ridiculous. It might be alright depending on how they use in a sequel. Or if they don't want to acknowledge it, they just cast it aside. There really was nothing that got me that upset in the movie. It was just an awesome, fun, enjoyable ride.
Predator 2 was very good at being a Predator clone. Tension, horror, suspense, etc. If you place P2 on that side of the spectrum, I think The Predator can have almost an equal footing on the opposite action/comedy spectrum.
I remember one official review, can't remember the site, but they complained about the cliche of throwing your gun when out of ammo. Is that really any worse than when Bill Paxton threw his freaking squash ball in P2?
I wouldn't want every movie to be like this. However, I did enjoy the new direction they took with this one. In my opinion there are only three true classics: Alien, Aliens, P1. All the other movies in both series have unique problems in their own right. I definitely would love to see The Predator again in the cinema.
P1 10/10
P2 9/10
The Predator 8/10
Predators 7/10 (I honestly don't even remember a lot of this one)
AVP 6/10
AVPR 4/10 (This one was definitely problematic)
It's nice and somewhat interesting to see the amount of positivity many of you seem to have towards this film. As I said a few pages back though there's just too many issues with it for me. The "upgraded" giant Predator just felt like it was included for the sake of having a GIANT predator to market with ya know? A good portion of the CGI was mediocre especially in the finale with the blood on the Giant pred's face it just looked like a green couple gens back video game mess. The Fugitive Predator was cool and I found his purpose interesting and fitting that there would be predators that wouldn't want to take the hybrid route and keep it the way its always been but the Fugitive just wasn't in enough of it. I just couldn't get into the film. I'm fine with SOME humor and SOME of it did work but there was too much. It didn't take itself seriously, story points were silly and it made it so I couldn't get immersed in it like I have been with EVERY OTHER Predator or even AVP film to some extent. I'm not just bashing for the sake of it, I do wanna talk about it.
I've watched this film twice now. I really wanted to give it a chance. It was worse second time. What an absolute shower of shite. This film should never of been released, the reshoots have bent it over a barrel and single handeldly buried this franchise, anyone expecting a sequel to this...good luck. I don't see how this is a better version than the original cut of the film, but who ever did probably shouldn't be working in movies. The best bit of the film is coyle appreciating McKenna's wife painting. That made me laugh.
Going forward, my hope for both the alien and predator franchise is that they just stop making anymore films. Just leave it with what we have got. It's done, they have been destroyed. Just leave the corpses where they lay.
You've got at least six more Alien films to tolerate by next year, so no can do.
@Bloodee Jacob
"I couldn't get immersed in it like I have been with EVERY OTHER Predator or even AVP film to some extent."
I'm not sure I've ever been immersed in a film. What do you mean by that? What does immersion mean to you?
I'm going a second time too, and let it wash over me again.
After 40-50 min or so the movie stopped taking it self serious. That's my problem with it. To much humor and also we didn't get to see much from fugitive
The movie doesn't take itself seriously at any point. The entire Stargazer sequence is so meta it's painful.
Exactly.
Just makes me want to rewatch The Fifth Element now weirdly enough.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2018, 10:07:13 AM
The movie doesn't take itself seriously at any point. The entire Stargazer sequence is so meta it's painful.
I thought the movie was doing fine until after the lab scene
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2018, 10:07:13 AM
The movie doesn't take itself seriously at any point. The entire Stargazer sequence is so meta it's painful.
Yes. It really detracts from the tension that we should be feeling in a Predator film.
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
I thought the movie was doing fine until after the lab scene
Pretty much once the Loonies start doing their thing :laugh:
I really liked it. About 95% of it that is. I don't think it's bad, just different. It's definitely entertaining and I enjoyed the hell out of it.
However, the very end with the suit... Wow, just wow. That was so far out of f**king place and utterly stupid-looking and I wish to god Fox would go back and delete it. Seriously, that ending has to be wiped. I don't know what they were thinking.
I give it 3/5. Enjoyable, but could have been better. Be interesting to see where it goes from here. And am I alone in actually liking the inclusion of the autistic character and how he relates to the plot??
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
I thought the movie was doing fine until after the lab scene
How could you possibly think Traeger's "Why we called it the Predator" bit was taking itself seriously ???
I agree the Predator hounds were completely unnecessary, and the suit at the end....I'm honestly not sure what to make of that. Couldn't the renegade's gift just have been some kind of virus to use against the Predators, or something? That would have worked too.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 16, 2018, 10:27:35 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2018, 10:07:13 AM
The movie doesn't take itself seriously at any point. The entire Stargazer sequence is so meta it's painful.
Yes. It really detracts from the tension that we should be feeling in a Predator film.
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
I thought the movie was doing fine until after the lab scene
Pretty much once the Loonies start doing their thing :laugh:
Once there started to be to much jokes and once they introduced the upgrade and the dogs and also the ending was bad
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 16, 2018, 10:27:35 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2018, 10:07:13 AM
The movie doesn't take itself seriously at any point. The entire Stargazer sequence is so meta it's painful.
Yes. It really detracts from the tension that we should be feeling in a Predator film.
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
I thought the movie was doing fine until after the lab scene
Pretty much once the Loonies start doing their thing :laugh:
Once there started to be to much jokes and once they introduced the upgrade and the dogs and also the ending was bad
I thought the upgrade was one of the better elements.
I was a bit disappointed in the stargazer breakout scene. Whilst still probably the best sequence in the movie, I think they missed an opportunity for some proper fan service there. I was gutted to see the two shots in the trailer of bloodied soldiers firing randomly in the corridors and stairwell was literally all we got in the finished film.
Great to see a nice, agile Pred though. I doubt Scar could have ran across those rooftops with such grace.
Quote from: EJA on Sep 16, 2018, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 16, 2018, 10:27:35 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2018, 10:07:13 AM
The movie doesn't take itself seriously at any point. The entire Stargazer sequence is so meta it's painful.
Yes. It really detracts from the tension that we should be feeling in a Predator film.
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
I thought the movie was doing fine until after the lab scene
Pretty much once the Loonies start doing their thing :laugh:
Once there started to be to much jokes and once they introduced the upgrade and the dogs and also the ending was bad
I thought the upgrade was one of the better elements.
My point is, we didn't need the upgrade, one normal classic predator is all it takes to eliminate them all and when I say all I mean all. The Loonies can't be compared to Dutch and his team
Upgrade for me was one of the worse things in the movie, in fact he did nothing, the fugitive was better doing predator stuff, the upgrade was out of place, it was even boring... And he dies in a stupid way.. Upgrade? It was more a downgrade
Quote from: EJA on Sep 16, 2018, 10:43:56 AM
I give it 3/5. Enjoyable, but could have been better. Be interesting to see where it goes from here. And am I alone in actually liking the inclusion of the autistic character and how he relates to the plot??
I thought he was fine, nothing amazing but still fine. I didn't mind the film not being serious though, so it fits the over the top, silly tone.
If it was a super serious movie it would be way of of place though.
It's still better than Predators imo
I put it at the bottom of the pile.
Which is saying something, because I can rant for hours about how insulting Predators is to its audience. But at least it takes itself seriously.
Quote from: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 11:24:20 AM
It's still better than Predators imo
I think so. All of the sequels evoke the original, but Predators does it a lot more than The Predator.
I think Predators is the height of mediocrity, and that is it's biggest problem. It maybe technically a superior film to the other Predator sequels, but I won't remember it exists half the time.
Indeed. We can say The Predator has a distinct identity of its own, even just for the humour aspect.
A distinct identity muddled by reshoots unfortunately.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2018, 11:25:22 AM
I put it at the bottom of the pile.
Which is saying something, because I can rant for hours about how insulting Predators is to its audience. But at least it takes itself seriously.
I think you need to see it again to properly digest it.
The comedy is a tough sell if you were expecting something serious.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 11:30:00 AM
I think Predators is the height of mediocrity, and that is it's biggest problem. It maybe technically a superior film to the other Predator sequels, but I won't remember it exists half the time.
That's exactly how I see it. Technically, Predators is a better movie than The Predator, but still I enjoyed the new one more - but just a little more. The plot is just bad and it could have been saved with some changes to the script.
Went and saw the movie for a second time in IMAX. I enjoyed it more the second time around. It's so fast pace that it's easy to miss certain things and details. Even some of the jokes sat better with me this time. I think it was also a matter of knowing what this filmed offered and just letting go of any other expectations at this point.
Also brought my dad with me this time, he's always enjoyed the Alien and Predator films and said it was fun. He was surprised of the awful reviews its received and rated it a 4/5. The audience I sat with for the second time was also a lot more into the movie, kind of funny watching one lady jump when Fugitive popped on the screen to grab McKenna. I've never found the creature or movies that scary to the point where the they make me jump! :laugh:
I still give it that 3/5 perhaps a 3.5/5
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Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 01:57:22 PM
Went and saw the movie for a second time in IMAX. I enjoyed it more the second time around. It's so fast pace that it's easy to miss certain things and details. Even some of the jokes sat better with me this time. I think it was also a matter of knowing what this filmed offered and just letting go of any other expectations at this point.
Also brought my dad with me this time, he's always enjoyed the Alien and Predator films and said it was fun. He was surprised of the awful reviews its received and rated it a 4/5. The audience I sat with for the second time was also a lot more into the movie, kind of funny watching one lady jump when Fugitive popped on the screen to grab McKenna. I've never found the creature or movies that scary to the point where the they make me jump! :laugh:
I still give it that 3/5 perhaps a 3.5/5
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I agree with your rankings 👍
Yeah, sadly, I think Ridley is going to be allowed to take huger craps on both franchises. Because....well....y'know....he's RIDLEY!!
He's a great director, producer and worldbuilder but unfortunately not a writer, and wrong thread.
P1 P2 and even Predators is miles better than The Predator, sure there was some goofy moments in those films, but they knew what is was and what they was trying to be. None resorted to generic cheap shots, because of a lack of creativity.(Predators maybe but it can be forgiven, The Predator is a whole different ballgame)
You are exactly right though The Predator has a distinct identity, just not a predator one. One that is ultimately a mess. The truth is you cant go into any old franchise with 30 years of lore, and walk all over it and decide to go against everything that's been established. And make essentially a parody and think its actually going to work. For the people who enjoy the new film, good for you, but i think the majority have serious issues with this film.
I'm all for adding new ideas, but not when its actually going to hurt the franchise, the main character or just for the sake of it. It actually has to bring something to the table. Does it contribute to something meaningful? if it doesn't whats the point? At its heart, its mediocre production values imo, its laziness, be proud of what you are putting out there. its not a difficult ethos to have.
My other issue with the film , is the amount of ridiculous AvP references there was, even woodruff was in there and lexs spear, can anyone tell me how im supposed to be able to take this film seriously?
By the end of the film, i felt like i was leaving predators funeral, they have completely butchered the franchise imo.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 16, 2018, 03:27:00 PM
P1 P2 and even Predators is miles better than The Predator, sure there was some goofy moments in those films, but they knew what is was and what they was trying to be. None resorted to generic cheap shots, because of a lack of creativity.(Predators maybe but it can be forgiven, The Predator is a whole different ballgame)
You are exactly right though The Predator has a distinct identity, just not a predator one. One that is ultimately a mess. The truth is you cant go into any old franchise with 30 years of lore, and walk all over it and decide to go against everything that's been established. And make essentially a parody and think its actually going to work. For the people who enjoy the new film, good for you, but i think the majority have serious issues with this film.
I'm all for adding new ideas, but not when its actually going to hurt the franchise, the main character or just for the sake of it. It actually has to bring something to the table. Does it contribute to something meaningful? if it doesn't whats the point? At its heart, its mediocre production values imo, its laziness, be proud of what you are putting out there. its not a difficult ethos to have.
My other issue with the film , is the amount of ridiculous AvP references there was, even woodruff was in there and lexs spear, can anyone tell me how im supposed to be able to take this film seriously?
By the end of the film, i felt like i was leaving predators funeral, they have completely butchered the franchise imo.
tell that to Rian Johnson and the last jedi :laugh:
@Fugitive Predator... lol now i know what all those star wars fan boys were experiencing , yeah ouch!!! lmfao! ;D
Oh man, I was hoping this would be THE movie that would turn things around, that would make me forget those AvP movies and make up for the interesting but in the end unspectacular "Predators" from Rodriguez. And boy, does this movie start well. The opening sequence was something out of a predator fan's dream. But it all went downhill so fast.
What hurt the movie the most was the uneven tone, the absolutely uninspired script and a second half that felt like every cliché action movie from the last 20 years just chopped together in a mess.
The cast was alright. I thoughtt Baxley and Coyle had their moments and I ceratinly felt some empathy with them. Boyd, who I like, simply wasn't given much apart from few cool lines. The more intimate moments with his son, that could have led into deeper philosophic topics (would have been really refreshing for a predator movie) were cut down with cheap slapstick humour... I mean the dogs... don't get me started on the dogs, they're just abysmal.
I didn't want to go an watch a predator movie that focuses on jokes and GotG-humour, I wanted something atmospheric, some worthwile action and a bit of exciting storytelling... none of which i got.
The ending left me so uninspired and apathetic that I for one won't be watching another shane black predator movie. He didn't understand what about the predator is worth capturing in a movie. Sure, he shows of a very nice suit from pretty camera angles, but apart from a few cool parcours scenes and the break out from stargazers base there isn't much I liked about this movie. Chad the lad was just a messy cheap CGI video game ball of pixels with often bad animations.
Unfortunately, this is the worst movie in the predator franchise for me, even worse than avp and just a little bit above Requiem. Which leaves my ranking as follows:
1. Predator
2. Predator 2
3. Predators
4. Alien vs Predator
emptiness
5. The Predator
6. Requiem
What a shame... I hope they leave this franchise dead now. Hollywood clearly doesn't know what to do with this franchise.
Maybe in 30 years there will be some new Fox-franchise, where the predator appears as a side character or villain something like the expendables or the batman from the dark horse comics... I believe that's the only way they will be able to pull off something at least a little meaningful.
Tangakkai couldn't agree more my friend, if you need some comfort, check out the new predator comics, set in afghanistan with a very serious tone, i think you will like them. ;)
Damn, the movie is so bad that i started to loose interest in the saga, a saga that has been all my life (also with alien).
They are destroying 2 things I love...
I finally got to see it today, and I suppose 22 pages into a review thread there's not much more to say.
I went with my partner who has no real interest in the franchise and she enjoyed it at face value for what it was; funny in parts, a bit of thrill of the chase, some decent kills. So in that way I guess it was "alright".
Fact is though it could have been any movie monster in there substituted for a Predator and it would have had the same effect.
As for the Predator franchise, lore, EU loving side of me however, it just left me feeling well... sad.
The original Predator is nasty, merciless, scary, interesting enough in itself to still terrorise an audience and have enough mystery about it to explore, not jumping the shark with this whole Upgrade concept. Fugitive was excellent I thought, could have watched another hour of him at work.
Anyway, it's done now. I'm looking forward to seeing a directors cut/deleted scenes in future.
Just got back from 2nd viewing and still really enjoyed it. Really love the cast, the jokes and action. The problems it has don't really bother me all that much.
Dumb, over the top and a little messy for sure but still enjoyable. It's still a 7/10 for me.
Seen twice now.
I find it positively Maddening when the IMDb listing is incomplete.
Haines, or Hanes is mentioned several times in the film
We only see him hanging upside down, though he plays a crucial role in revealing the cloaked fugitive
Nothing Listed, I HATE that.
I was disappointed with it. Not enough that I hated it but I could tell there was a better film in there somewhere. The reshoots, editing and story changes were noticable enough. I knew it was getting bad reviews and was ready for that. Still, was expecting it to come out better than it did. Definitely not the worst in the franchise for me but there is just so much they changed it didn't really feel like a Predator movie. I had no problems with the cast or the story itself necessarily but everything that went into it was so scattered. The ending promises a sequel I don't think it will get and in itself was questionable. Where would they go with that? Obviously this would step on some of the Alien half of the franchise if they messed it up. Those movies take place in the future so whatever happens in a sequel would have to be kept quiet and solve some major global issues.
I will definitely need to rewatch it again, maybe on Blu-Ray. Not sure if I want to go to another theater showing just yet. Though if I did, at least I would be alone. My theater had scarcely a dozen people in it out of maybe 150-200 seats avaliable.
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 01:57:22 PM
Went and saw the movie for a second time in IMAX. I enjoyed it more the second time around. It's so fast pace that it's easy to miss certain things and details. Even some of the jokes sat better with me this time. I think it was also a matter of knowing what this filmed offered and just letting go of any other expectations at this point.
I think there's something to be said for watching it a second time if you're on the fence or feel like giving it a second shot. Knowing
the extent of the humor and CGI now before going in, I feel like the movie may be more entertaining to watch since you know what to expect - it can be enjoyed simply for the movie that it is, an isolated installment. Looking forward to seeing those Predator communication parts again, there just wasn't enough to completely satisfy lol
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:11:36 PM
I was disappointed with it. Not enough that I hated it but I could tell there was a better film in there somewhere. The reshoots, editing and story changes were noticable enough. I knew it was getting bad reviews and was ready for that. Still, was expecting it to come out better than it did. Definitely not the worst in the franchise for me but there is just so much they changed it didn't really feel like a Predator movie. I had no problems with the cast or the story itself necessarily but everything that went into it was so scattered. The ending promises a sequel I don't think it will get and in itself was questionable. Where would they go with that? Obviously this would step on some of the Alien half of the franchise if they messed it up. Those movies take place in the future so whatever happens in a sequel would have to be kept quiet and solve some major global issues.
I will definitely need to rewatch it again, maybe on Blu-Ray. Not sure if I want to go to another theater showing just yet. Though if I did, at least I would be alone. My theater had scarcely a dozen people in it out of maybe 150-200 seats avaliable.
The sequel it sets up would need a humongous budget wouldn't it!
It need to be too expensive to make at this point for sure. This movie is going to be lucky to make its budget back let alone justify the increased expense of a sequel with that much more CG.
Quote from: Actual Hybrid on Sep 16, 2018, 07:01:44 PM
Seen twice now.
I find it positively Maddening when the IMDb listing is incomplete.
Haines, or Hanes is mentioned several times in the film
Although we only see him hanging upside down, though he plays a crucial role in revealing the cloaked fugitive
Nothing Listed, I HATE that.
my letter to the entire cast of The Predator shaming their individual parts in making this piece of crap movie will be incomplete.
What i dont get is the people who put 5/5 to this, i mean, its a perfect score, and the movie just only taking care of the edditing and cgi is far from there, and when you start with the coherence, the plot.. This ship has water everywhere
"Good" joke from Black about the costume of a killer of predators and at the same time and not a joke but really a killer franchise. He brought to us this message through the hell of production that it is impossible to return to the screen "old" without new trends as a woman = Rambo, a child autistic = evolution, predator practical <predator cgi.
https://twitter.com/larryfong/status/1041378905708355584
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 16, 2018, 09:02:23 PM
https://twitter.com/larryfong/status/1041378905708355584
Speaking of Larry Fong, The Predator felt very un-Fong compared to his other work.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 11:30:00 AM
I think Predators is the height of mediocrity, and that is it's biggest problem. It maybe technically a superior film to the other Predator sequels, but I won't remember it exists half the time.
Yea, but unlike the Predator, even if it fails in execution, in base ideas and tone doesn't take a huge dump on the franchise. Even with the re-used stuff.
Old as time.
Seen it today. The cast and characters were the best part of the movie, along with Fugitive predator. Him being old school practical effect was a treat to eyes. Yet this character was criminally underused, there's so much more that could've been done with him. Ironically Fugitive is beaten by a giant CGI model, which is a statement in itself, like the industry says "hey, it's CGI versus guy in suit, guess who's winning from now on". Very 2018, a bit sad really. But this is core script problems, and I have a problem with this "Bigger than your youth's hero" mentality in today's big studio films.
I liked that it wasn't conceptually a copy of previous parts of the franchise, tone shift never bothered me, it's the execution wasn't the best for my taste. But who cares about my opinion ).
I'm okay with jokes, the soldier's hand had me chuckle.
Studio interference is instantly noticeable, film's chopped as hell, no pauses, no tension building and quieter moments. All for the sake of faster pacing and in the end, commerce, I think. It's like smooth combination of artistry and blockbuster qualities of movies like the original is lost nowadays. Almost that Shane Black didn't direct this, I thought he's usually more masterful.
What this movie needs is some sort of Directors cut, I guess 15-20 minutes are missing. On the other hand, it's never boring !
I actually cringed at the ending, comic book influence is showing, in a bad way.
First viewing was overall a fun experience, need to see this at home when released.
My all over the place thoughts at the moment.
Oh well... I just arrived from the theater and even going there with the lowest expectations didn't help at all. Now for the rant, because it's more that than a review. Spoilers ahead of course.
Things actually started quite well, the beginning was quite entertaining, but the ship crash reminded me right away of AVPR, then with the town and kids, it got even worse. It was even too dark and some stuff happened so fast I couldn't keep up and see all, anyone else felt that way? My AVPR ptsd started kicking in.
So the beginning was fine, ship crash, Quinn and his team fight the Predator, gov. agents go after the ship whatever. Didn't like him using predator cloak, and that little ball thing. Quinn and the loonies were alright for the most part, but some lines and jokes were too cringey and bad. Their ends were fine, but I couldn't feel any sympathy for them with all the bad things in the movie going on. They deserved more screen time, with some other characters removed they could have that. They had some potential and were... tolerable.
Munn's character introduction was bad, didn't see the need of her being in the movie, her character was only used to introduce us to the facility and things with her were going too fast, she went from naked and shitting herself to running after predator to shoot him. Hated her and her lines, well we all know Munn isn't coming back anyway. Bye bye annoying biologist.
Government guys just... they were like just there to be canon fodder, to give some kills for the predators and make the loonies look good, again with the cringey and bad stuff, and I mean their attempts on using predator tech. The main bad guy blew his own head with a shoulder canon. WTF. I miss Dallas from AVPR using the plasma pistol. Thanks Shane, you made miss AVPR.
Now the kid, just goddamn it. Bad bad bad... couldn't handle it, hated him so much, more than Ricky from AVPR, more the whole stuff surrounding him, using predator tech, being pushed as a super human, every scene with him felt out of place in a predator movie, and all I could feel was cringe, annoyance and anger. Worst character in this franchise by far. And it all comes from this Shane quote:
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Because I think there's a case to be made that people who have what is viewed as a disability are actually the most valuable members of our society. There are those among us who consider schizophrenia to just be another form of existence and not necessarily even... there's one theory that they're seeing something that other people simply don't.
I personally suffer from tourettes disease. I bark and chirp sometimes so I've had to play with that, and I thought I always try to keep a sense of humour about it. It doesn't show up all the time, but when it does it's usually with a girlfriend or something, so I try to keep a sense of humour about it.
So Shane used the movie to push an agenda that disabilities make you a superior person, now that's a new one, its called disability for a reason Shane, he really should look that in the dictionary, it felt very egotistical and self serving for him to push that in the movie. Autism is the "Next step on human evolution". I just listened to that on a predator movie. So now I miss the Strause Brothers and their ideas of having predators fighting dinosaur sized aliens on the alien xenomorph. Having a disability doesn't make you a superman Shane, it just means you are disabled, and some people really don't like their disabilities and how it affects their lifes. So the kid is a genius with superior genes that interests the predator lol. I got some eugenics master race vibes from this. And how autism is going to give a Predator's advantage on a fight?
Shane clearly doesn't know anything about evolution, as if I didn't had enough of pseudo science on Prometheus. The only reason people with disabilities are able to survive is because humans created unnatural habits that allows them to, and I'm glad we did it because nature is an unfair bitch, and if those people were out there where evolution is happening, they wouldn't make it. Those genes can't be a next step on evolution if it keeps people from surviving and passing them own. Also I don't mean to offend anyone with disabilities, sorry if anything in this paragraph makes it seems that way.
And as another avpgalaxy member said I second this:
Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2018, 11:54:05 AM
Shane Black's very, very misguided attempt to make people with developmental conditions seem valuable and important to society (his words, more or less), but not in a way that actually addresses what might actually make them valuable in reality.
And there is the global warming stuff, out of place, unnecessary and exaggerated. We are one generation from going extinct...? One of the best jokes on the movie, and people laughed at the bible guy talking about doomday, our planet dying that fast from global warming is as much of a paranoia. I don't deny climate change but this movie was shouting stuff I would expect from Jim Carrey's environmental guy. I know Shane is really into global warming awareness, but again using the movie to push his own personal opinions? Bad.
Now for the guys I came for, the predators. Well they could have easily replaced them with another fictional alien creature and it wouldn't make much of a difference. They aren't the creatures I grew up loving on this, the fights and action were fun but every f**king time a character started talking about them, things got worse for me... exponentially. They want to move in. Haha. From hunters to planet invaders. Everything surrounding the gene stuff was delivered bad and again: Cringe. That's me watching the movie in a nutshell. And I wanted to like this crap. I thought the action would be enough to make up from the rest, but it didn't dammit. The parts with Fugitive were cool, the killings, some his actions gave some characterization, but when the whole thing about him coming to Earth to give humans a gift to fight the Upgraded ones was brought up... it ruined him. If only the characters stopped trying to explain what was going on between the Fugitive, the Upgrade and the dna genes stuff, the more they talked the more I hated. He put even less of a fight than the classic from Predators, he lost his brain in the fight and instead of coming up with a better plan was just stood there and was used to make the other look cool. A waste of a predator.
The upgrade had some cool parts I liked him using the translator to taunt the humans, and actually wanting to hunt them so at least one of them is still into that. But I didn't enjoy much of the fights, it was way too surrounded by stupidity. For all the hype they surrounded the super predator with, I wasn't impressed by what he did. But some of his kills were cool. The dogs were even more of a waste than the ones in Predators, and I don't get whatever was a happening with the friendly one.
But in the end I really didn't enjoy seeing the predators, and I always do, I liked seeing the creature in action, after the Fugitive died I wasn't able to care anymore ... I enjoyed Wolf in action, I enjoying seeing the Berserkers, despite its flaws I actually had a great time with Predators, even the predators from AVP were more enjoyable. The predator lore is one the main aspects I evaluate a movie and it was ruined in this. And with that ending, I left the theater feeling like... embarrassed of being a predator fan, like I'm a fan of a series with a movie like this? The hell. This is like a bastard child of the last jedi and the phantom menace of the predator franchise. Well that's so far what I remember right now, there might be more stuff I both liked and hated that I missed.
The original third act wouldn't make it better for me, its like picking getting shoot on the foot or the hand. Shane said he doesn't have interest on doing a movie like this again and good. Good. Most of the problems I had with this were his ideas, can't believe this costed 88 million, if Predators was a B-movie, this was C or whatever. The parts at the town felt something out of a slasher movie, again AVPR vibes everywhere. Cant believe Fox decided to do this instead of a Predators sequel. Can't believe people actually get paid to make such bad decisions, easy way to make money right there.
I hope we don't get anything related to this movie on the big screen ever again, I prefer to put this franchise in a coma for the next 15 years than seeing Shane or that suit ever again on a Predator movie. Its like I prefer to see it dead than suffering lol. I know it sounds stupid, putting down a franchise like a dying dog. I hope this movie makes less than Predator 2. I have more respect to the ideas Paul Anderson and the Strause Brothers had in regards to the predator creatures than Shane's, and I think they could have made a better predator movie.
At moment I just feel like forgetting it completely and ignoring it from being part of the series. But I will watch it again in a few months to see if a second viewing makes it better, it did so with the AVP movies, but preferably through a fanedit that removes that ending. No interest on wasting any more money on this movie. I even regret going to the theater, should have watched it online like the last jedi.
PREDATOR: 10/10
PREDATOR 2: 9/10
PREDATORS: 7.5/10
AVP/AVPR: 6/10
THE PREDATOR: 5/10
Still feel like it was a wasted opportunity when you cast a "creature actor" who does parkour and not really showcase it in the film. It would have made the predator appear more agile/less wooden than recent appearances. After Kevin Peter Hall (P1, P2) - Wolf is still the best build/movement creature performance.
I just saw this movie.
It's... okay? The editing is all over the place but I still had no problem following what was going on, it was just really clear that a ton of scenes were truncated, I found it most noticeable at the very beginning of the movie to be honest. Funnily enough, 'The Predator' has the same run-time as the other 3 movies in the series, but it definitely felt "rushed" compared to the others. I chalk that up to the editing issues.
I suspect there's a real good movie buried in there somewhere, and maybe we'll get something neat out of a "re-cut edition" on home release? I'm getting 'Alien 3' vibes in the sense that too many fingers in the pie really muddled everything up.
I liked the action, and the characters were distinct and memorable. A couple jokes felt forced, and I never really found myself laughing at "unintentionally funny" goofy shit.
Spoiler-time.
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I think the stuff that bothered me the most were how they tried to f**k with the Predator "lore", and I'm really trying to keep my fanboy bias in check with this. 'Predators' introduced new, bigger Predators that do (somewhat) different shit and even pick fights with "regular" Predators, but I was okay with it because the movie made it clear that the big guys were a different faction and didn't represent the entire species, and that "classic" Predators are still around and doing Predator things. Shane Black said in a few interviews that the "upgraded" Predators in his movie were also a faction and didn't represent the whole species, but it just didn't quite come across that was on-screen and I think that might be an editing issue, not necessarily Shane Black talking out of both sides of his mouth or something.
Theorizing that Predators rip spines not because they're taking trophies but because they're harvesting spinal fluid for DNA was a wacky "explanation" that I don't think anyone asked for. We're talking 'Prometheus'/'Alien Covenant' levels of unnecessary explanation here. I think it goes back to the movie not really conveying that these "upgrades" might be their own faction, because it kind of tries to overtly tie it back to the Predators' actions in the prior movies and it just doesn't feel right.
Part of me didn't like a Predator that had humanity's best interests at heart, but the more I think about it, the more of a novel idea it feels - I just wish it was executed better. Like, the Fugitive Predator who was trying to help humans absolutely killed the f**k out of a ton of humans. Yeah it was cool action, and yeah I can get why he'd be pissed when he's restrained by a bunch of people and he breaks free, but it still felt like it undermined the idea of a rogue Predator who thinks hunting humans is bad.
I think a more novel idea is to have a sort of "pacifist" Predator - clearly convey that he's a combat badass who could wreck people's shit whenever he wants, but that he actively chooses not to and have him not kill any humans. Then, finally have a payoff of all his combat prowess by having him go apeshit on the antagonist Predator and show that maybe "upgrades" aren't everything. Also, having a Predator actually survive the events of the movie would be a refreshing change of pace.
The "global warming is going to kill us, so Predators are going buck-wild while they can" was a pretty dumb idea, and even dumber was the notion that the Predators might move in on Earth.
Predators biting the shit out of people with their mandibles was pretty great.
The Preda-dogs were... okay? When I first noticed that they had dreadlocks, part of me was afraid that they were actually radically genetically-altered Predators, but it didn't seem that way. I'm pretty okay with the notion that on Predator world perhaps other indigenous species have evolved thick dreadlocks, that's kind of a neat idea.
I got a chuckle at some of the callbacks. "Get to the choppers", "you are one beautiful motherf**ker". There were even some AvP shout-outs - Lex's Alien-tail spear is in the glass case in the Stargazer lab, and the shurikens are straight out of the AvP movies. I wish we'd gotten to see more random Predator gear. The use of the decades-old fan-made Predator "font" (https://fonts2u.com/predator.font) was a nice touch, too.
The more I write this, the more I think my thoughts and opinions are settling down. On the whole I think it was worth a watch, but it's not as good as 'Predators' (which I really liked) and definitely not as good as the first two. It's not as schlocky-bad as 'AvP: Requiem', but it's also not as silly-fun, either. On the whole some of my initial complaints as I walked out of the theatre aren't bothering me as much anymore, but there's still some real goofy shit that especially makes the fanboy in me say "those are dumb and bad ideas."
Totally understand where you're coming from.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 17, 2018, 01:39:40 AM
The more I write this, the more I think my thoughts and opinions are settling down. On the whole I think it was worth a watch, but it's not as good as 'Predators' (which I really liked) and definitely not as good as the first two. It's not as schlocky-bad as 'AvP: Requiem', but it's also not as silly-fun, either. On the whole some of my initial complaints as I walked out of the theatre aren't bothering me as much anymore, but there's still some real goofy shit that especially makes the fanboy in me say "those are dumb and bad ideas."
A balanced impression. That's basically how I feel about the movie. The 1/10 reviews are way overboard. Some of the stuff just doesn't bother me as much as it does others, even though I do have complaints about other things.
I just saw it, while it had some interesting elements, its at the same standard as Alien Resurrection.
Quote from: AlienFanIL18 on Sep 16, 2018, 07:48:48 AM
@Bloodee Jacob
"I couldn't get immersed in it like I have been with EVERY OTHER Predator or even AVP film to some extent."
I'm not sure I've ever been immersed in a film. What do you mean by that? What does immersion mean to you?
Like I get really focused and so into the movie or situation that I stop thinking about everything else because I'm so focused on what's happening and what will happen next. This can happen with any movie or show. I'm saying that the new film couldn't pull me in like that.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 17, 2018, 01:39:40 AM
I just saw this movie.
It's... okay? The editing is all over the place but I still had no problem following what was going on, it was just really clear that a ton of scenes were truncated, I found it most noticeable at the very beginning of the movie to be honest. Funnily enough, 'The Predator' has the same run-time as the other 3 movies in the series, but it definitely felt "rushed" compared to the others. I chalk that up to the editing issues.
I suspect there's a real good movie buried in there somewhere, and maybe we'll get something neat out of a "re-cut edition" on home release? I'm getting 'Alien 3' vibes in the sense that too many fingers in the pie really muddled everything up.
I liked the action, and the characters were distinct and memorable. A couple jokes felt forced, and I never really found myself laughing at "unintentionally funny" goofy shit.
Spoiler-time.
Spoiler
I think the stuff that bothered me the most were how they tried to f**k with the Predator "lore", and I'm really trying to keep my fanboy bias in check with this. 'Predators' introduced new, bigger Predators that do (somewhat) different shit and even pick fights with "regular" Predators, but I was okay with it because the movie made it clear that the big guys were a different faction and didn't represent the entire species, and that "classic" Predators are still around and doing Predator things. Shane Black said in a few interviews that the "upgraded" Predators in his movie were also a faction and didn't represent the whole species, but it just didn't quite come across that was on-screen and I think that might be an editing issue, not necessarily Shane Black talking out of both sides of his mouth or something.
Theorizing that Predators rip spines not because they're taking trophies but because they're harvesting spinal fluid for DNA was a wacky "explanation" that I don't think anyone asked for. We're talking 'Prometheus'/'Alien Covenant' levels of unnecessary explanation here. I think it goes back to the movie not really conveying that these "upgrades" might be their own faction, because it kind of tries to overtly tie it back to the Predators' actions in the prior movies and it just doesn't feel right.
Part of me didn't like a Predator that had humanity's best interests at heart, but the more I think about it, the more of a novel idea it feels - I just wish it was executed better. Like, the Fugitive Predator who was trying to help humans absolutely killed the f**k out of a ton of humans. Yeah it was cool action, and yeah I can get why he'd be pissed when he's restrained by a bunch of people and he breaks free, but it still felt like it undermined the idea of a rogue Predator who thinks hunting humans is bad.
I think a more novel idea is to have a sort of "pacifist" Predator - clearly convey that he's a combat badass who could wreck people's shit whenever he wants, but that he actively chooses not to and have him not kill any humans. Then, finally have a payoff of all his combat prowess by having him go apeshit on the antagonist Predator and show that maybe "upgrades" aren't everything. Also, having a Predator actually survive the events of the movie would be a refreshing change of pace.
The "global warming is going to kill us, so Predators are going buck-wild while they can" was a pretty dumb idea, and even dumber was the notion that the Predators might move in on Earth.
Predators biting the shit out of people with their mandibles was pretty great.
The Preda-dogs were... okay? When I first noticed that they had dreadlocks, part of me was afraid that they were actually radically genetically-altered Predators, but it didn't seem that way. I'm pretty okay with the notion that on Predator world perhaps other indigenous species have evolved thick dreadlocks, that's kind of a neat idea.
I got a chuckle at some of the callbacks. "Get to the choppers", "you are one beautiful motherf**ker". There were even some AvP shout-outs - Lex's Alien-tail spear is in the glass case in the Stargazer lab, and the shurikens are straight out of the AvP movies. I wish we'd gotten to see more random Predator gear. The use of the decades-old fan-made Predator "font" (https://fonts2u.com/predator.font) was a nice touch, too.
The more I write this, the more I think my thoughts and opinions are settling down. On the whole I think it was worth a watch, but it's not as good as 'Predators' (which I really liked) and definitely not as good as the first two. It's not as schlocky-bad as 'AvP: Requiem', but it's also not as silly-fun, either. On the whole some of my initial complaints as I walked out of the theatre aren't bothering me as much anymore, but there's still some real goofy shit that especially makes the fanboy in me say "those are dumb and bad ideas."
Aside from editing issues, I'd probably also put some of the blame on the lengthy action scenes with few moments of respit in between. Of course, we go into a Predator movie expecting lots of action right. But there were not enough quiet moments to build tension and suspense. Most of the non-action scenes were filled with humor. I thought most of the fight scenes were great, but found myself getting a bit mentally fatigued from the pacing.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 17, 2018, 12:56:42 PM
I just saw it, while it had some interesting elements, its at the same standard as Alien Resurrection.
Wow. Haven't thought about this, could be called Predator: Resurrection too. Nice.
After taking a few days to digest The Predator. I came to the conclusion I loved it just as much as I hated it. It has awesome Shane Black writing and whit, but in terms of lore, serious moments, and editing/re-shoots in the 3rd act the movie. It is a stupid mess that does not take itself serious whatsoever (that's good and bad) and does not have a cohesive tale and retcons 30 years of established material in some cases. The loonies I went in expecting to dislike but they are honestly kept me in it and enjoying the whole film! The ending ending made me just groan and annoyed. Honestly if you took the predators out of this and replaced it with any other alien species/monsters you would have the exact same movie. As a fun hard R popcorn flick this is a 7.5 to 8 but as an actual PREDATOR film it gets moved to 6.5/10. 2010 predator's had its problems but at least it followed through 95% of its ideas of what it it added to the lore/ mythology and was legitimately more plausible then what was added here.
Just watched it today and I am little conflicted about it, on one hand there many elements about it I enjoyed and on the other... many I didn't.
First the bad.I really don't like the dna plot thing, it makes no sense because genetics do not work like that and I know most of you do agree it was a terrible concept, one that was thankfully dropped from Predators.
The Predator technology seems to be borderline magic. The plasma weapons apparently don't need firing, they just do so automatically whenever their user is attacked. Of course this is possibly only just some of them, as previous Predators aim, track and kill using plasma weaponry without ever being attacked.
Don't like AVP being referenced, even if it is only an easter egg.
Spoiler
Rory accidentally kills someone and it is not brought up again in the movie, I understand some people on the spectrum may sometimes have stunted emotions or poor social skills, but they are not sociopaths.
Also while Rory wasn't used as bad as I thought he would (I thought he was going to be a typical godmode character and single-handedly save the day), he still does things he shouldn't have been able to and his ability to translate or at least understand the predator language is just silly. Even an autistic person needs to have a basic understanding of something before they can excel at it. I don't know much about translations but don't you need the proverbial rosetta stone?
The Predator hounds....oh man this is one of the face palm moments in the movie.
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One gets shot in the head and suddenly because friendly and just like an ordinary dog, one of the loonies say it got "lobotomized", I don't know much about lobotomy but I doubt it would instantly cause such behavior not to mention it is still a living animal with a bullet wound to the head, yet other than behavior change, its not really affected by it
The Predator killer weapon would have suited the film had the first movie been a superhero genre with fantastical technology in the first place. Here it just looks like someone watched the latest avengers and the black panther, and just plain copied them.
There is a few continuity issues I noticed straight away too, the vambrace keeps changing from left arm to right arm in between some scenes. Fugitive isn't able to penetrate the Upgraded Predator's skin with his predator tech metal wristblades yet Baxley drew blood with his knives.
The movie is a far cry from the suspenseful first movie that had some genuine horror moments.
Now on for the good.I got to say, Fugitive might just be my favorite Predator.
Maybe its just because I haven't long come from the theater and I am still riding on some of feelings from watching the movie, but I think Fugitive was done well and his design was terrific.
Now the nostalgic part of me wants to keep Jungle Hunter as my favorite because he is the first, his appearance is awesome and while he did use his Plasma Caster a lot, he killed one at a time in a hunter style fashion.
But Fugitive is almost on another level, whereas JH fought two teams of special forces and CH took on gangsters and the police, Fugitive took on a military force that was actually prepared for him and spent decades trying to find his kind. Also unlike the previous Predators which had the technological advantage right from the start. Fugitive starts his slaughter unarmed and not long out of sedation, and takes down the armed threats with just claws, mandibles and cunning.
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He then retrieves his equipment but cheekily uses a human rifle to take down some more in such a casual manner. Between that and some of his other moments like using a severed arm to make a thump up gesture to deceive the aemt truck driver that everything is ok, makes him a bit of a character with a twisted and cheeky sense of humor. Where he does falter however, is in his fight with the Upgrade, I get he was kind of stunned or concussed from being pulled through a wall but I would have thought he would have put up a better fight since his plasma caster could easily have fired more than one shot
Baxley, Thomas Jane's character is a laugh riot and I got to say other than Fugitive, he really was one of the better things in the movie. I would say all of the loonies are really, though Alfie's character is probably the weakest.
Final thoughts.
I think this film could have been so much better but that goes without saying. They should have dropped the upgrade thing and just have a berserker predator fill in that role instead. Also instead of having Rory translate the tech and access the mask to have him know where the ship was from that, it should have been automatically like when Fugitive is using his mask to view where his ship is, it is connected wirelessly to the other mask while Rory is looking at it, and he simply sees what the other Predator triggered. That would have been slightly more believable.
Another way would have been to reverse the roles of Fugitive and Upgrade (or a berserker). Fugitive being the one hunting the other predator for either maybe stealing technology to use against other Predators or perhaps some other reason but Fugitive crashes his ship first while trying to find him due to being ambushed and ends up captured (that way we still have his cool escape scene) and the plot can follow from that but with necessary adjustments.
Traeger is another issue too,
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I get that they needed a human antagonist but he seems a little cartoony, whereas Peter Keyers believed in helping mankind by taking the Predator technology, and had a very serious and professional demeanor. Traegor acts too casual and humorous for a man that kills mercilessly and without hesitation or good enough cause. He gives termination orders of Munn's character literally not long after being friendly to her and with no good reason except that she took a sample from a lab that he couldn't possibly know about due to the mayhem that occured. Though even if he did know, that seems like an overreaction to me because she was cooperative with them
Oh God.
From the director of Iron Man 3, a bad movie that has nothing to do with anything related to Iron Man, comes The Predator, a bad movie that has nothing to do with the Predator, what a surprise.
The movie has so, so many things wrong and bad that i could very easily write a huge wall of text.
But it simply does not deserve it, this was known since the script leaked.
Is a mediocre blockbuster not well made in any aspect with the worst editing i have seen since Justice League, is a mess.
This is Requiem level of bad only that is more professional in the technical aspects, it has very minimal decent stuff in it but it just goes nowhere.
Please, let the franchises die, the last movie we got was 8 years ago and it was bad, before that we got the terrible Requiem, and now 8 years later we get another awful movie, just let them rest in peace.
Waste of time
8 years is nothing compared to the 20 between Predator 2 and Predators. You're being hyperbolic.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 18, 2018, 03:01:04 AM
8 years is nothing compared to the 20 between Predator 2 and Predators.
My God, was it really that long? Time does fly.
The Creuntus, excellent review. Great point as well about the Predator technology being borderline magical, totally agree and that was one of the most jump the shark elements of the whole thing for me.
In the Predator universe up until now the majority of the tech you could believe in (save perhaps for some of the 3D maps etc from AvP) but this just went a ridiculous route.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 18, 2018, 12:19:18 AMJust watched it today and I am little conflicted about it, on one hand there many elements about it I enjoyed and on the other... many I didn't.
Thanks for sharing!
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 17, 2018, 01:39:40 AM
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The "global warming is going to kill us, so Predators are going buck-wild while they can" was a pretty dumb idea, and even dumber was the notion that the Predators might move in on Earth.
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The idea that Predator's might "move in" was a dumb notion considering how advance they are but the idea that we are a dying race "so hunt em while you can" is a really great theme. What if we're on an intergalactic "endangered species" list. Hell maybe the Predators themselves have heavily regulated the hunting of mankind. Or even more so, perhaps the predator elders have given up on man or in some way came to the conclusion that we should be snuffed out. Where as other Predators think we're too valuable a game to just let rot away. So they are interfering by giving us things we have no business having. There's so many way to play off of the concept... although we're seriously getting into Prometheus territory here.
The movie's main problem is the editing and not the ideas and themes; and here's hoping to getting a better version one day.
I actually think the global warming idea is good in theory. Predators are attracted to hot climates...it matches up. I'm just going to expect that in the world of The Predator, warming is MUCH more advanced than what it is today. Or it's just one character's theory for increased Predator appearances.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 18, 2018, 08:50:02 AMThe movie's main problem is the editing and not the ideas and themes; and here's hoping to getting a better version one day.
^ This.
I would argue some of the ideas are a problem, the dna thing and Rory able to use predator tech, plus the predator tech itself is just borderline magic.
Also the beginning part of the movie made me face palm a little. There is not supposed to be sound in space, I think some of the previous movies did that but back then I doubt anyone knew that fact as much as they should today.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 18, 2018, 09:53:53 AM
I would argue some of the ideas are a problem, the dna thing and Rory able to use predator tech, plus the predator tech itself is just borderline magic.
I'm not a huge fan of Rory's autism being used like that, but the idea of mankind deciphering Predator tech is one I think should be played with. I just think it should involve a deeper backstory of research.
QuoteAlso the beginning part of the movie made me face palm a little. There is not supposed to be sound in space, I think some of the previous movies did that but back then I doubt anyone knew that fact as much as they should today.
That's a none issue for me. Unless film's are going for that accurate representation of sound in space, it'll always be a thing. I just wish that opening sequence was longer.
I agree, Mankind trying to decipher the predator tech could make for interesting story and it should take years and years, (a rogue predator perhaps to help but that could go so wrong without proper reasoning) and maybe that could justify an invasion or at least an attack, the predators feel like mankind is now too much of a threat with that stolen tech and wants to kill them before they get the chance to become too dangerous. Best I can come up with short notice but I could see there is plenty of stories to tell.
A specie that can trvel in space in seconds, that open worm holes, with such advanced tech, the idea of traveling in universe searching for dna its just dumb and unnecesary.
They can travel in seconds, there will be plenty of planets with better temperature..
It doesnt have any sense.
A ten feet thing kidnapping a child with mental problems to pass those mental problems to its race..0
The problem with dna stuff is that the movie itself implied that it was whole Predator species that went into DNA upgrade.
It completely failed to show that it was one clan that was really into that idea. It's possible that the sequel may be able to make this movie better, but I doubt it. DNA stuff could've worked if it were on one or few clans.
Yes. Editing in this movie is OBJECTIVELY bad. Anyone who says otherwise is dishonest.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 18, 2018, 09:53:53 AM
Also the beginning part of the movie made me face palm a little. There is not supposed to be sound in space, I think some of the previous movies did that but back then I doubt anyone knew that fact as much as they should today.
I mean I hear this complaint a lot but unless you're a person in the space industry, should it really be such a bother. I'll take the roar of space engines over scientific accuracy anyday.
It's certainly by no mean the first movie to get space physics totally wrong.
In fact, I can't think of many that even attempt to do it accurately.
Gravity
But Alien or Predator never have.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 11, 2018, 07:41:05 AM
So, we're a couple of days away from general release! Please share your own reviews here in this thread.
Ok, saw it today.....
And I do admit that the comedy was bad as hell and made the movie really disjointed. The acting was not good and there was another disjoint from director for not seamlessly retrieving the right emotions from the actors.
The practical effects and CGI were good and competent. The action was too good; not great like the original Predator, Predator 2 and AVP1. Ofcourse, the movie was miles better than AVP2.
My verdict is Shane Black should stick to serious action and improve in creating tension which this film was lacking. He should surely stay away from creating comedy which he seemingly sucks at.
The line 'get the fukc out from here is my middle name' made me cringe!
Anyway, the action scenes at the end were too good. When I watched, I wished if Alien Covenant had the same caliber with well endowed justice to the screen time of Alien.
Unlike Alien Covenant, this movie didn't wrap it as a fast-packed-goodbye-to-audience.
I loved the Gore; it was too good!
Anyway a 6/10 for me. Would like to watch again for sure for its gore and action scenes but at the same time am afraid to face the cringe worthy comedy and disjointed direction on acting department.
No doubt the movie is an absolute mess at times in regards to editing and things that go nowhere like that random shot of the dog running or Yvonne's character disappearing from the film.
I got to say though I really enjoyed it on the first go around. It doesn't even try and do the slow burn approach, the Predator is on-screen and killing in minutes. Cast worked out better than I expected, the jokes weren't landing to me but Holbrook was a likeable lead and Munn was surprisingly okay. I thought her casting would be Denise Richards in James Bond bad but she was just fine. My apologies to her for thinking she could reach those levels of bad.
The Upgrade is supposed to be the most fearsome Predator put to screen but everything about him just felt bland. He's big and bad, the end. Jungle and City hunter had distinct traits, even in Predators you at least had interesting designs.
Saw the film in the states over the weekend. I'd pretty much agree with the majority of reviews and opinions already shared: some fun stuff, some legitimately good moments, but overall a frustrating and sloppy experience.
I was hoping I'd enjoy the Upgrade, but he was my least favorite part (along with the dogs). I loved the loonies cast overall and Fugitive looked fantastic. Really wish they had simplified and streamlined the ideas for this film, and come up with a simpler approach focusing on Fugitive and his motivations / character. It felt like 3 or 4 story ideas all fighting for screen time.
I was fine with the idea of Upgrade going into it but I really wasn't impressed with his portrayal in the movie at all. And the last act into the ending...well it's already been said here enough.
I'll echo the interest in seeing a directors cut and the original plan for the film one day. But, I don't see much hope of that happening - especially if it doesn't perform well financially. Just a really frustrating result for something that had a lot of potential.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 18, 2018, 09:53:53 AM.
Also the beginning part of the movie made me face palm a little. There is not supposed to be sound in space, I think some of the previous movies did that but back then I doubt anyone knew that fact as much as they should today.
We did. There was 2001: A Space Odyssey, after all. And the moon landings. By the late 80s we all knew there was no sound in space, but we also knew that no sound made for pretty boring space battles.
I actually didn't like seeing a laser fight with spaceships in a Predator movie. Best leave that stuff to Star Wars and other pulpy sci-fi. One of the things I always liked about Predator was that the sci-fi stuff was just dressing. You got glimpses of stuff, like the ship dispatching what can be assumed to be a smaller pod for Jungle Hunter in the beginning, but it wasn't dwelled on. I liked how Predator 2 embellished things but still kept tech stuff weird and mysterious. Predators did a fairly good job, too. But AvP and The Predator just couldn't resist and shove your face in it, ruining the magic for me by making it mundane.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 18, 2018, 03:01:04 AM
8 years is nothing compared to the 20 between Predator 2 and Predators. You're being hyperbolic.
Yeah, but Predators was bad too, the franchise is so simple and yet they cant even bother to make an effort to make a at least decent movie. What i mean is that there is no point on waiting so long to release movies of this quality.
The Predator looked like a guy in a suit by the way, but that is just one item in the long list of flaws this movie has.
It also had a lot of visual simmilarities, specially regarding the Predators tech, to Requiem.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 18, 2018, 02:30:02 PM
Gravity
But Alien or Predator never have.
Serenity did as well.
I think the first Alien film didn't have much sound if any for the nostromo, might be wrong of course. Can't recall about the shuttle thrusters though.
The explosion of the Nostromo and thrusters of the Narcissus definitely did.
No atmosphere in space?
"There is now." -R.S
There was sound in all the space scenes in the first film, but most notable are the separation sequence for the Nostromo (the mechanism and particularly the ship's engines firing all make noise), the destruction of the Nostromo and Ripley blasting the Alien in the Narcissus' engines. Still, the actual physics of space flight in the film were reasonably accurate (or at least not overtly inaccurate).
In Aliens the Queen can be heard screaming after being ejected from the Sulaco.
Resurrection also has typically lousy space physics. Aside from the recurring issue of sound, the Betty is seen zipping about like a conventional airplane à la Star Wars before it docks with the Auriga.
But again, this is basically par for the course with space in film. The Predator is by no means the first movie to inaccurately apply conventional flight physics to space, even within this franchise. Hell, if we're being picky, the craft the Jungle Hunter arrived in at the very start of the original movie made a noise as it zipped past the camera.
It's just one of those things. It's so ingrained now it doesn't even bother me to be honest (although I do love to see films try and do it more accurately).
There is the opening scene in the Star Trek reboot where the ships are doing battle with no noise but the orchestral music. I liked that scene.
The sound in space is the minor problem of the film...
Well, I saw it on Saturday and have digested it a bit, and by digesting I mean I've barely thought about it because it's not a movie that sticks with you as a self-contained entity. I'm disappointed that it seems to be going the route of Alien Covenant, which is to open threads at the end instead of bringing any closure. Predator 2 managed to do this without feeling like it necessitated a direct continuation. If a sequel to this movie doesn't arrive, The Predator isn't going to exist in any sense of relevance on its own terms. It will just end up feeling incomplete. I'm afraid that this is the path it's probably heading for.
Overall, I think I would give it a 3/5 (although I would classify that as 'good' and 4/5 as 'great', but that's neither here nor there). I think for the most part, it met my expectations. When stood up against "Predators" this might as well be a masterpiece because that movie's story was crafted with such a level of ineptitude that I don't find the experience of watching it to be pleasurable at all. In that movie, the characters are not only all unlikable, but they all dislike each other (and the casting was terrible). At least here there's some chemistry and a sense of fun and play, while "Predators" took itself so seriously that it in turn became laughable, especially the ridiculous opening scene where people are just falling out of the sky into a jungle. There weren't any moments in this movie, for the most part, where I thought "WOW, that was stupid." So, that's good.
Things I liked:
-It's an entertaining movie, and mostly fun.
-It moves quickly for its length.
-It has an odd, but laugh-worthy sense of humor.
-The child actor was fine.
-It didn't take itself too seriously, because following Predator and Predator 2, I wouldn't expect a progression into pretentious territory (Prometheus, Covenant).
-It seemed to usher in new conventions to the series, which I thought was interesting (in particular, subtitled Predator dialogue).
-Overall, I enjoyed the characters.
-It actually felt, mostly, like 'a Predator movie' unlike the previous entry.
Things I didn't like:
-The plot is convoluted, and there's no call for that when we're really talking about a monster movie franchise. It isn't even a clever plot, but it seemed like Shane Black was trying to 'out-clever' the earlier movies...which doesn't make sense. Look at the plot of Alien and Predator and reflect on how good those movies are. The surface level conflicts are pretty damn simple (think, Mad Max Fury Road). Now look at this film along with Prometheus or Covenant. They over complicate things for no reason but to seem smarter and more involved somehow, but I honestly couldn't tell you the plot of this movie by using an elevator pitch. It takes detailed description to parse out.
-It's tie-in to the Predator franchise is deeply unsatisfying, nearly on an upsetting level. I'm not sure, but are we supposed to be proud of the filmmakers for including Jake Busey as Peter Keyes' son? I thought he would return later in the movie, or make some, ANY mention of who he was beyond sharing the same last name. As it stands, he pops up for what, about five minutes? Not to mention, there are two screenshots taken from Predator and Predator 2 which we glimpse for a second, and that's it. I don't understand the aversion which Fox has to creating some kind of actual continuity with this series. There's no reason to ignore the original film, because if we know anything is certain by this point, it's that they won't be able to top it. I'm not sure they are even interested in trying to do so, to be honest.
-Olivia Munn's dialogue was awful. I appreciated the movie's sense of humor, but come on. EVERYONE in the movie has the same level of whit and snark, including someone who in real life would be a prestigious, if not boring, scientist. I get that her character can also be fun and entertaining (and should be), but I guess I felt Shane Black's hand as the writer in the voice of every character in the film, in exactly the same way including the little boy who also used expletives.
-The ending is awful. I hated it and couldn't believe the film was over at the moment the credits rolled. It really shows that they did re-shoots for the third act, because everything falls apart. Beyond the final scene itself coming off as rushed, there are moments where significant character deaths are passed over so quickly, or even barely noticeable at all.
-I'm the last person who would even try to locate something like this, but I felt the movie exhibited some ableist sensibilities regarding autism and Tourette's. Particularly, the moment when Thomas Jane says something about 'eating pussy' and there's an overly long exchange where he tries to convince Olivia Munn otherwise was in bad taste, mean spirited, and not funny. Munn's character is meant to be a scholar, so it made no sense that someone didn't just say "he has Tourette's syndrome, don't worry about it" and they would move on. Instead, the moment essentially dwelled on making fun of him for a disability. I thought there'd be an eventual moment where this was all reconciled, but nope. It's just there for jokes because people with Tourette's syndrome are so funny when they say naughty words in public! :D
-This is a nitpick, but as a veteran, I can confirm that the portrayal of the military is pretty terrible. Predator isn't very accurate per say, but I question whether there was even a military adviser on set for The Predator. It's not something that's hard to get right. I really didn't believe for one second that the main character was a captain in the Army. When they first stated his rank, I was pretty shocked. Commissioned officers at his age are people who've graduated with a bachelor's degree from a university, not clumsily spoken farmboys. I know he's meant to be a special forces sniper, but go and look at Lone Survivor for an appropriate portrayal of officers vs. enlisted in that context. I mean...Arnold's character is a major in Predator, and I believe that he is a major. There was also a hilarious moment where Olivia Munn (or someone) directs a comment at everyone to the tune of "You're all soldiers!" and the immediate cut goes to a close up of Keegan Michael Key's character, who was obviously in the Marines. He nods at the comment. You don't call marines soldiers, because we aren't soldiers. That's the Army. It's a different word with a different denotation.
It seems like my dislikes are stacking up, which is interesting because I did enjoy the movie overall, but I predict that my opinion of it may sour over time, the opposite of a movie like Alien Resurrection which I've come to enjoy more and more. I think one thing is for certain though: John Davis is a bad producer for the Predator franchise. His track record is one of failure, time and time again with this series. Let's not forget that Predator and Predator 2 are really Joel Silver movies, and since then with Davis primarily at the helm, it's all been disappointment for the most part. AvP, AvPR, Predators, and now this. It's not a good look for him, but I doubt anything will change.
John Davis is a bad producer in general. If you look at his IMDb page it's almost all flops and failures. In Hollywood you truly do fail upwards.
Quote from: Hudson on Sep 19, 2018, 03:42:22 PMI'm disappointed that it seems to be going the route of Alien Covenant, which is to open threads at the end instead of bringing any closure. Predator 2 managed to do this without feeling like it necessitated a direct continuation.
The thing is, the only obvious sequel baiting is in the final scene.
Lop that out, and not only do you remove by far the worst thing about the movie, you also eradicate the issue you (quite rightly) bring up here.
QuoteThe thing is, the only obvious sequel baiting is in the final scene.
Yeah, I guess that is my real problem with it. When the movie ended, I kind of thought
Spoiler
"Whoa, they were really serious about all that climate change crap and Predators invading? Um, okay then."
Until the very ending I didn't expect any of that to follow through in terms of suddenly becoming a staple of the franchise.
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It does also seem odd that the reveal of the original Predator's intention to 'save humanity' (or whatever the hell was going on?) was a true reversal in that I don't think it was signaled at all. I mean, he slices and dices his way through a significant amount of human people in that laboratory...who he's supposedly trying to save from extinction? Nope. That was a cheap, unearned plot twist. And I can't state how stupid I think it is for Predators to be allied with humans in any way. It was dumb in AvP, and ::hot take:: I still actually think it's kind of dumb in the original comic. Predators are the villains. They're monsters, not our damn friends. They're supposed to be scary and shit.
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According to the poll 18 people gave it the highest score (5/5). Is this actually possible? Please, enlighten me.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 19, 2018, 10:32:53 PM
According to the poll 18 people gave it the highest score (5/5). Is this actually possible? Please, enlighten me.
Theres 2 types of fandom, the ones that have criterium and the ones that dont, it has a predator, 5 of 5! By any way this is a 5/5, just for the reshoots, incoherency and bad cgi.. You can like it, i respect it, but 5/5? No way
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Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 19, 2018, 10:32:53 PM
According to the poll 18 people gave it the highest score (5/5). Is this actually possible? Please, enlighten me.
Theres 2 types of fandom, the ones that have criterium and the ones that dont, it has a predator, 5 of 5! By any way this is a 5/5, just for the reshoots, incoherency and bad cgi.. You can like it, i respect it, but 5/5? No way
This is how I would describe the majority reaction to Alien Covenant on these same boards to be honest. I'm kind of surprised that I'm not hearing more love for The Predator...simply because it exists. Maybe there's still hope after all.
I'd never thought I'd see the day when I actually didn't care for a Predator movie, but that day has come after watching the extremely disappointing The Predator. What happened? The script I read a year ago was so much fun and exciting, but all of that got lost apparently in the editing room. I was yawning during the first thirty minutes. The escape scene with 'Fugitive' did nothing for me. And a Predator using a gun to kill a human just didn't look right onscreen. I sat in the theater waiting for the movie to find a pulse which it finally did when 'the Uprade' showed up. At least they got that part of the movie right.
The characters were fine, but I think a lot of the relationships were edited down for the final release. I think I remember Quinn and Nebraska having a deeper relationship in the script, but in the final film it didn't feel like it.
I honestly didn't mind the new epilogue all that much. It fit well with the new ending that was shot, which I did like. That being said I think the original ending from the script was probably the way to go. I hope that's put on the upcoming bluray release.
IMO I think it's time to stop with these movies. This made Predators look like a classic by comparison and I'm not a fan of that film at all.
2/5
Predator
Predator 2
AvP: Requiem
AvP
Predators
The Predator
Quote from: Hudson on Sep 19, 2018, 07:16:44 PM
QuoteIt does also seem odd that the reveal of the original Predator's intention to 'save humanity' (or whatever the hell was going on?) was a true reversal in that I don't think it was signaled at all. I mean, he slices and dices his way through a significant amount of human people in that laboratory...who he's supposedly trying to save from extinction?
I mean to be fair he's being fired upon and escaping from being restrained. Besides it could be as much about just giving the middle finger to the Upgraded Predators than it is about saving the human race.
So I saw The Predator last night. There are two ways I can review this movie.
The first is as a general moviegoer. In which case I found the film to be fun, quite often silly, with enough action, gore and genuinely funny humour to keep you mildly entertained.
The second way is as a devoted fan of all things Predator ( and Alien ). Which leads me to say that I thought the movie was a disappointing, at times incoherent mess with lots of small elements that annoyed me - the poor CGI, Traeger's death (WTF!!), the Marvel-esque ending, characters just disappearing out of the story with no explanation as to where they went etc. The whole story seemed like a mash of different ideas that they tried ( and failed ) to cram into one story.
5/10
Alright - finally found time to watch it. And... meh.
The movie is pretty shitty imo - and through no fault of the actors.
It's just that the story and plot is so poorly executed that it simply doesn't work. It's not a comedy, it's not a horror movie, but it's trying to be an entertaining action movie. I think? Trouble is it doesn't quite work, in particular during the third act. It's messy and stupid, and at times, the music alone makes me feel like I'm watching E.T. which is not what I want from a Predator movie. And of course the ending is pure puke - felt like I was watching a Disney movie.
BUT I liked the Loonies, I wish we had gotten more scenes with each of them so that we might have gotten to know them better. In the end, their individual deaths left me cold as the movie failed to make me really care about them as individuals. I think what we ended up with was a waste of a very talented cast.
I laughed several times though and was generally mostly entertained. Just not as good as I had hoped for.
2.5-3/5 stars.
Quote from: Hudson on Sep 19, 2018, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 19, 2018, 10:40:41 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 19, 2018, 10:32:53 PM
According to the poll 18 people gave it the highest score (5/5). Is this actually possible? Please, enlighten me.
Theres 2 types of fandom, the ones that have criterium and the ones that dont, it has a predator, 5 of 5! By any way this is a 5/5, just for the reshoots, incoherency and bad cgi.. You can like it, i respect it, but 5/5? No way
This is how I would describe the majority reaction to Alien Covenant on these same boards to be honest. I'm kind of surprised that I'm not hearing more love for The Predator...simply because it exists. Maybe there's still hope after all.
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Quote from: SiL on Sep 16, 2018, 11:25:22 AM
I put it at the bottom of the pile.
Which is saying something, because I can rant for hours about how insulting Predators is to its audience. But at least it takes itself seriously.
My thoughts exactly - although I'm not quite so critical of Predators. But The Predator was awful. Struggled to sit through it all, it progressively just got worse and worse. Didn't care for the characters, the comedy doesn't work, the predator felt like a caricature, it wasn't remotely scary etc, etc. And then capped off with one hell of an embarrassing ending. Don't waste your money on this.
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Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 19, 2018, 10:40:41 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 19, 2018, 10:32:53 PM
According to the poll 18 people gave it the highest score (5/5). Is this actually possible? Please, enlighten me.
Theres 2 types of fandom, the ones that have criterium and the ones that dont, it has a predator, 5 of 5! By any way this is a 5/5, just for the reshoots, incoherency and bad cgi.. You can like it, i respect it, but 5/5? No way
This is how I would describe the majority reaction to Alien Covenant on these same boards to be honest. I'm kind of surprised that I'm not hearing more love for The Predator...simply because it exists. Maybe there's still hope after all.
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Really? Those are horrible posts by people who think their opinion on these movies are more valid than those of other fans. Not mention its revisionist bullshit, AC was massacred just as badly here as the predator has been. Its just their way of crapping on fans who have different tastes and opinions. As bad as this film is, it has nothing on the childish and often insulting garbage being posted in the predator forum.
Don't get me started on those "true fans" claims, only to get a really narrow narrative of what a true fan entails.
Personally, I'm quite realistic in my fandom. I might not agree with every single idea on the screen or not even most of them, and still have a good time.
I overal think Predators worked better in terms of ideas for instance, but it fails in execution and portrayal. It lacks decent pacing too. While The Predator on the other hand has decent pacing but choppy editing, besides me agreeing with virtually nothing I saw on screen.
Both films entertain me, both films I would score around 6 to 6.5 on 10.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 20, 2018, 08:44:27 PMDon't get me started on those "true fans" claims, only to get a really narrow narrative of what a true fan entails.
Lol, yeah, gotta love those guys.
And after all this, I just remembered the Upgrade spitting. Oh my.
Quote from: Marc505 on Sep 20, 2018, 09:19:18 PM
And after all this, I just remembered the Upgrade spitting. Oh my.
I wonder how much of these ideas where met with "that sounds so cool"...
Quote from: Marc505 on Sep 20, 2018, 09:19:18 PM
And after all this, I just remembered the Upgrade spitting. Oh my.
He couldn't help it, he travelled back to '87 and got Blaine's spinal fluid. 🙄😏
The more you think about the plot the more you realize how much it just doesn't make sense.
Fugitive wanted to give us a weapon but attacks us instead of trying to negotiate
Why does traeger want Casey dead? He wanted her help but he later wants her dead because sher ran off with some spinal fluid? She only left the base because she wanted to catch fugitive.
What happened to the device? McKenna gave it back to fugitive then upgrade pulls him through the window and traeger is still looking for it? Shouldn't have been on his body?
What was up with that dog sub-plot? Not the alien dog, the actual dog that the kid befriends? I don't understand what the point of that was.
Fugitive has wolf- levels of script immunity. Because those guards were the dumbest guards in cinema history. One runs at him while holding a machine gun instead of shooting him from a distance. These guys are as useless as the avpr aliens. Seems the only way to make a predator look badass is to make his enemies retarded.
It's the Rorschach test of the predator franchise.
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BigDaddyJohn, I've always found your input on the Predator universe interesting. I'm curious, have you avoided offering your official fan review or did I miss it?
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Quote from: Hudson on Sep 19, 2018, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 19, 2018, 10:40:41 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 19, 2018, 10:32:53 PM
According to the poll 18 people gave it the highest score (5/5). Is this actually possible? Please, enlighten me.
Theres 2 types of fandom, the ones that have criterium and the ones that dont, it has a predator, 5 of 5! By any way this is a 5/5, just for the reshoots, incoherency and bad cgi.. You can like it, i respect it, but 5/5? No way
This is how I would describe the majority reaction to Alien Covenant on these same boards to be honest. I'm kind of surprised that I'm not hearing more love for The Predator...simply because it exists. Maybe there's still hope after all.
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Get out of here with those kinds of comments. People are entitled to enjoy what they want and don't you act all high and mighty about it.
It's nearly a week since I saw TP. I feel about the same. A respectable 7/10.
Fugitive lands amongst a violent situation. He may seek to help humanity, but if there are armed humans they are deemed fair game. I'm okay with the rules of the hunt applying there. And Fugitive wakes up as a drugged and restrained prisoner. He's doing what it takes to break free.
Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 21, 2018, 09:45:13 AMFugitive lands amongst a violent situation. He may seek to help humanity, but if there are armed humans they are deemed fair game. I'm okay with the rules of the hunt applying there. And Fugitive wakes up as a drugged and restrained prisoner. He's doing what it takes to break free.
Also, while he may be here to help, that doesn't mean he wants to be captured, prodded and dissected by Stargazer's scientists. I can kinda justify him being pissed there.
Same goes for his attacking McKenna's team - they
were stealing his shit.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 21, 2018, 10:09:34 AM
Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 21, 2018, 09:45:13 AMFugitive lands amongst a violent situation. He may seek to help humanity, but if there are armed humans they are deemed fair game. I'm okay with the rules of the hunt applying there. And Fugitive wakes up as a drugged and restrained prisoner. He's doing what it takes to break free.
Also, while he may be here to help, that doesn't mean he wants to be captured, prodded and dissected by Stargazer's scientists. I can kinda justify him being pissed there.
Same goes for his attacking McKenna's team - they were stealing his shit.
Precisely.
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Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 21, 2018, 09:45:13 AMFugitive lands amongst a violent situation. He may seek to help humanity, but if there are armed humans they are deemed fair game. I'm okay with the rules of the hunt applying there. And Fugitive wakes up as a drugged and restrained prisoner. He's doing what it takes to break free.
Also, while he may be here to help, that doesn't mean he wants to be captured, prodded and dissected by Stargazer's scientists. I can kinda justify him being pissed there.
Same goes for his attacking McKenna's team - they were stealing his shit.
Yep, I saw no issue with Fugitive doing what he needed to protect his stuff and escape from being captured.
Seeing all the newer movies I did not expect much. Hence it was awesome. An ongoing life policy- expect less, get more. I loved it far more than the previous Predators and how they combined dark sense of humor with grim, gore and a deeper insight. I am kind of tired from seeing new movies copy-paste rewritten from the old ones, except for cast and basic plot change. This was good for me.
Apart from the 9 mm death scene at the end.
Feels good to be back.
Good to be back? The movie has very low quality, with bigger budget, you can like the plot, i dont because i dont think it has any, you can like the action, well for 30 min i like it, then its a bad cgi monster killing people in the less predator way i could imagine, and finally you have a amazing ending with a bad cgi iron man copy...
How can you be happy with this low quality?
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 21, 2018, 12:28:18 PM
Good to be back? The movie has very low quality, with bigger budget, you can like the plot, i dont because i dont think it has any, you can like the action, well for 30 min i like it, then its a bad cgi monster killing people in the less predator way i could imagine, and finally you have a amazing ending with a bad cgi iron man copy...
How can you be happy with this low quality?
Let people have their opinion please, i like the movie as well, saw it three times already.
I think we can all agree it's not the movie we anticipated, but that doesn't mean we can't have fun with it. It will be a guilty pleasure for many people over the years, and some flat out love the movie.
I can totally see why poeple don't like it though, if i wouldn't be a fan, this movie is forgettable.
It's called different tastes, and while the plot could have been better, it still has all the ingredients a Predator fan wants, including
awesome Predator action, lots of violence, foul mouthed characters and some great comedy.
The lab sequence is one of my favourite in the whole series. Predator using humans as living shields, firing machine gun and ripping off heads? Yeah, he's back, i sat there grinning ear to ear.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 21, 2018, 12:46:11 PMI think we can all agree it's not the movie we anticipated, but that doesn't mean we can't have fun with it.
I actually really like that it feels so different to the previous three. Perhaps my biggest issue with
Predators is how it spends so much of its time simply retreading things the previous films, the first especially, already covered.
The Predator felt fresh in comparison.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 21, 2018, 12:46:11 PMPredator ... firing machine gun
That bit was great :) I loved the way he didn't even attempt to handle it properly, like he's clearly never done it before but he understands the theory lol.
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Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 21, 2018, 09:45:13 AMFugitive lands amongst a violent situation. He may seek to help humanity, but if there are armed humans they are deemed fair game. I'm okay with the rules of the hunt applying there. And Fugitive wakes up as a drugged and restrained prisoner. He's doing what it takes to break free.
Also, while he may be here to help, that doesn't mean he wants to be captured, prodded and dissected by Stargazer's scientists. I can kinda justify him being pissed there.
Same goes for his attacking McKenna's team - they were stealing his shit.
Stealing something that was meant for humanity. What is supposed to be the master plan, he hands it over to the president of the United States? Also, assuming he knows his gear, why is he attacking directly, when his own gadgets can injure or kill him.
I'm sorry, but the whole idea is just not logical. I won't even start about how it goes on paralel lines with the whole concept. But it's just stupid and lazy.
The lab scene was nice, and justified. What came after was rather not.
SpaghettiBastard's review:
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Quote from: Marc505 on Sep 20, 2018, 09:19:18 PM
And after all this, I just remembered the Upgrade spitting. Oh my.
He couldn't help it, he travelled back to '87 and got Blaine's spinal fluid. 🙄😏
Actually i never saw any spit coming out of the assassins's mouth
It spits, with fire in the back, its a moment when you think wthell they were thinking.
Of course you can like it, i like avp, and i know its crap, but i know its crap.
Of course i respect someone likes the movie, but dont tell me its a 5 of 5 or that its amazing because its not, its a mess, a fun mess for some pelple.
It will probably win some razzies
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Quote from: Marc505 on Sep 20, 2018, 09:19:18 PM
And after all this, I just remembered the Upgrade spitting. Oh my.
He couldn't help it, he travelled back to '87 and got Blaine's spinal fluid. 🙄😏
Actually i never saw any spit coming out of the assassins's mouth
It's there, but it's one of those "look away and you'll miss it" scenes (where he's walking on the football field, in front of the burning cop car.) I didn't mind it. It's a very human gesture, but didn't press any buttons.
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QuotePredator ... firing machine gun
That bit was great :) I loved the way he didn't even attempt to handle it properly, like he's clearly never done it before but he understands the theory lol.
Best part of the movie.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 21, 2018, 04:26:24 PM
SpaghettiBastard's review:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/287723735201c9fad137fe4f85954252/tumblr_pfey8mvGeA1qjabr0o1_540.jpg
Harsh. A picture is worth a thousand words
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 21, 2018, 06:44:51 PM
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Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 20, 2018, 10:29:49 PM
Quote from: Marc505 on Sep 20, 2018, 09:19:18 PM
And after all this, I just remembered the Upgrade spitting. Oh my.
He couldn't help it, he travelled back to '87 and got Blaine's spinal fluid. 🙄😏
Actually i never saw any spit coming out of the assassins's mouth
It's there, but it's one of those "look away and you'll miss it" scenes (where he's walking on the football field, in front of the burning cop car.) I didn't mind it. It's a very human gesture, but didn't press any buttons.
There were quite a few blink and you'll miss it moments! Didn't do anything for me that to be honest.
Having only seen it once it's interesting to pick up on things others have and haven't seen. The Upgrade's vision being one, obviously doesn't require a mask to see in IR, but seemingly has a HUD capability in his eyes too! I put that down to the film's sloppiness really.
I have to be honest I wasn't prepared for Predators 2010. For some reason I felt it was so different to the originals. I did enjoy it but it was different. This takes different and blows it apart 1000% I found myself laughing in most parts especially with the loonies and the part where the predator attacks that army truck and that driver asks if everything is okay and Predator takes that severed hand and pops it through the slot with the thumb up.
I really loved and enjoyed the Predator. I don't think its Predator 2 or Predator but its something totally different. I really liked the suit for the fugitive predator, I thought Brian Prince was superb as the Predator. All the loonies were great and I did feel something when Trevante Rhodes character sacrificed himself. Boyd Holbrook was perfect for this movie. He isn't big like Arnold or Glover but he does have a different presence. There's heaps of action in this film and the break out scene is actually pretty scary. I know this film is getting panned but I think audiences will slowly warm to it.
Stargazer knew where fugitive crashed but not where the ship crashed? :P
I made an account just to write this review.
I've never been so let down by a movie that I already had low expectations for. It's almost kinda impressive. I'll break it down by acts. First: Not bad at all, was actually really enjoying the initial set-up. Second: Overwhelmed by the pace and tonal mess. Third/Finale scenes: Sub AVP requiem level awfulness. The humor has it's moments, but everything from pacing, to action, to story is just so depressingly mishandled. You can really feel the studio's touch all over this mess. Viewing it as just another movie, and not part of one of my favorite franchises, really puts it into perspective for me. It's just a really bad film.
To make things worse, based on the Fox merger, this is also likely the last Alien/Predator film we will ever see.
1/5
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 21, 2018, 12:28:18 PM
Good to be back?
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How can you be happy with this low quality?
I did not log in in a while...a while being 8 years.
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De gustibus- as Johnny H said.
I am more happy than I would be if I anticipated anything better than the first movie. It's just statistics- can sequels ever be more original and better than...well...the original? Can they not let you down unless they wear out the same story over and over, with slight changes, like HuDaFak said? Do you think the first movie has bad CGI? I think it does. But for it's time it was cutting edge. For todays' standards it's not. Still makes a great movie, right? See what I mean?
Now, I like the changes, the plot line, as shallow as it may be, and I came prepared- different director, different outcome. Every. Single. Time. So I was watching the movie like a rookie, and liked it. Wouldn't give it a high score, but I didn't exit with a frown- I did with a smile. Good trash humor introduced, new sketchy characters, new tech, new possibility of universe merge, hopefully more way more thought of and fun than Marvel.
Part from the execution at the end. They've shot it with everything and it gets killed by a 9 mm? Naaah, it'd be better if he stabbed it to death.
Oooh, and what happened to the doggo? Anyone spot it? I must have missed it.
Nice to see the same avatar, Jonny H!
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Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 21, 2018, 12:28:18 PM
Good to be back?
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How can you be happy with this low quality?
I did not log in in a while...a while being 8 years.
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Oooh, and what happened to the doggo? Anyone spot it? I must have missed it.
Nice to see the same avatar, Jonny H!
The dog is sat on the ledge behind Casey at the end... I think?
Unless you mean the actual dog instead. In which case, the last time it's seen is when it's running towards the kid.
Naah, the space doggo. Guess I missed him!
Not completely your fault, the editing was atrocious.
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Good to be back?
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How can you be happy with this low quality?
I did not log in in a while...a while being 8 years.
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Oooh, and what happened to the doggo? Anyone spot it? I must have missed it.
Nice to see the same avatar, Jonny H!
The dog is sat on the ledge behind Casey at the end... I think?
Yeah, that's right. He's on the ledge right at the end.
Original predator had a lot of practical, and in fact it has aged well.
You can do amazing sequels, aliens, terminator 2... Predator has a huge expanded universe, with plots 29900 times better.
And the predator cgi is bad, for today standars and for 2009 standars, its cheap, fast, bad...
So no, im not happy, it was a great opportunity, nice budget, that ended in this mess..
Im sad, shane black knows nothing about the predator...
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 22, 2018, 12:34:14 PM
Original predator had a lot of practical, and in fact it has aged well.
You can do amazing sequels, aliens, terminator 2... Predator has a huge expanded universe, with plots 29900 times better.
And the predator cgi is bad, for today standars and for 2009 standars, its cheap, fast, bad...
So no, im not happy, it was a great opportunity, nice budget, that ended in this mess..
Im sad, shane black knows nothing about the predator...
Obviously you know better than him, roarrr pew pew :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 22, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 22, 2018, 12:34:14 PM
Original predator had a lot of practical, and in fact it has aged well.
You can do amazing sequels, aliens, terminator 2... Predator has a huge expanded universe, with plots 29900 times better.
And the predator cgi is bad, for today standars and for 2009 standars, its cheap, fast, bad...
So no, im not happy, it was a great opportunity, nice budget, that ended in this mess..
Im sad, shane black knows nothing about the predator...
Obviously you know better than him, roarrr pew pew :laugh:
It's amazing that Black had four years, a bigger budget than Predators and still managed to miss the mark when it comes to ticking all the boxes what this franchise started out as and he seemingly was more interested in making his own film.
He has every right to, but I'm not surprised how it is received by fans. Ever since the first rumors of the plot, this was my expectation. Nothing in the film comes as a full on surprise.
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 22, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 22, 2018, 12:34:14 PM
Original predator had a lot of practical, and in fact it has aged well.
You can do amazing sequels, aliens, terminator 2... Predator has a huge expanded universe, with plots 29900 times better.
And the predator cgi is bad, for today standars and for 2009 standars, its cheap, fast, bad...
So no, im not happy, it was a great opportunity, nice budget, that ended in this mess..
Im sad, shane black knows nothing about the predator...
Obviously you know better than him, roarrr pew pew :laugh:
It's amazing that Black had four years, a bigger budget than Predators and still managed to miss the mark when it comes to ticking all the boxes what this franchise started out as and he seemingly was more interested in making his own film.
He has every right to, but I'm not surprised how it is received by fans. Ever since the first rumors of the plot, this was my expectation. Nothing in the film comes as a full on surprise.
You're right, but i said it almost from the get go : it will be a Shane Black movie, not really a predator movie, with all good and bad aspects that come with that.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 22, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 22, 2018, 12:34:14 PM
Original predator had a lot of practical, and in fact it has aged well.
You can do amazing sequels, aliens, terminator 2... Predator has a huge expanded universe, with plots 29900 times better.
And the predator cgi is bad, for today standars and for 2009 standars, its cheap, fast, bad...
So no, im not happy, it was a great opportunity, nice budget, that ended in this mess..
Im sad, shane black knows nothing about the predator...
Obviously you know better than him, roarrr pew pew :laugh:
Im more into the honor of the hunt, ambushing, smart and agile hunters... Predator stuff not hulk..
Gave it a second chance today, but nothing changed. It has like zero rewatch value, unfortunately.
No need to repeat myself anyhow, especially that opinion that is not praising is pretty much not welcome here.
But I'm a bit sad about stargazer project, I could pay much more attention to them now. They seemed like a bunch of amateurs, though in the prequel novel, which was really good for the most of it, they seemed pretty badass (even with their budget cut) In Hunters II like a half sentence from Yara is enough to keep the mind occupied.
How come here are just like goons with guns. I hope in other media they will live up to their potential.
All opinions are welcome, to a degree.
It's just not interesting hearing someone repeat ad-nauseam for instance that the Upgrade isn't a traditional Predator.
When it was always known he wasn't intended to be.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 22, 2018, 06:30:56 PM
All opinions are welcome, to a degree.
It's just not interesting hearing someone repeat ad-nauseam for instance that the Upgrade isn't a traditional Predator.
When it was always known he wasn't intended to be.
Not a traditional predator, im saying its not a predator, its a cliche, big monster, a indominus but worse..
And not just the predator, most of the movie is absurd.
The big surprise was fugitive, it was amazing
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 22, 2018, 06:30:56 PM
All opinions are welcome, to a degree.
It's just not interesting hearing someone repeat ad-nauseam for instance that the Upgrade isn't a traditional Predator.
When it was always known he wasn't intended to be.
Oh, I didn't mean that. That's a topic that will always divide fan's opinions, and from the 'other side', it's evokes an equal reaction when people are trying to ad absurdum explain things which are not there or make zero sense. But it's a forum for discussion, or it's supposed to be.
I meant earlier reactions to some other members' posts, which I feel like weren't justified. Yea, I know I shouldn't care about things like that on the internet.
Let it sink in over last week, going to check it again monday and see if i like it better.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 22, 2018, 02:48:51 PMIt's amazing that Black had four years, a bigger budget than Predators and still managed to miss the mark when it comes to ticking all the boxes what this franchise started out as and he seemingly was more interested in making his own film.
Personally, I find that to be the single best thing about it.
He didn't just try to recycle things the previous movies have done (something
Predators did to its detriment), but instead strove to do something different.
Quote from: huntin8-t0n on Sep 22, 2018, 05:46:07 PMGave it a second chance today, but nothing changed. It has like zero rewatch value, unfortunately.
I'm definitely keen to watch it again.
Different needs vision to make it work, not shoe horned ideas like DNA tweaking and global warming.
If Black had the idea to portray warring factions, Predators outran him in making a point.
I've seen it twice and enjoyed it, it's definitely frankensteined together unfortunately through the reshoots but I was entertained by it . I gave it a 4/5
I really liked most of it, I really liked McKenna, the Loonies and Treager, The Fugitive was bad ass and I feel like they could have used him for a bigger role, the Upgrade was good and bad at times. I did laugh a bit, the end was like WTF?? I guess it opens more doors for the future. I do actually wish it would have been a darker film though. I will rewatch it soon
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Here's the thing. Would I be in a rush to watch TP again? Nah, probably not. Not in the same way as the original and the sequel. The others are just serviceable. The series takes a lot of its DNA from the original. References to dialogue (ugly motherf**kers, get to the chopper, etc) and references to set pieces. It's well and truly time to let that all go. It creates the bland rehash feeling. Onwards and upwards. Make new moments.
Predator does indeed require a new film that refuses to replicate the original, other than it features the titular Predator character.
Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 23, 2018, 12:07:27 AM
Here's the thing. Would I be in a rush to watch TP again? Nah, probably not. Not in the same way as the original and the sequel. The others are just serviceable. The series takes a lot of its DNA from the original. References to dialogue (ugly motherf**kers, get to the chopper, etc) and references to set pieces. It's well and truly time to let that all go. It creates the bland rehash feeling. Onwards and upwards. Make new moments.
Yep, I agree. For the movie attempting to be original in its plot, it was pretty similar to its predecessors in that department. I think simply letting that go would help future movies immensely. It doesn't need tired callbacks and reference pieces to keep close to the original. The Predator itself, so long as there are classics involved, is enough to keep that connection.
Indeed. It only strengthens the case that the franchise has only had one good film, and it has nothing more to offer other than reheating those old tropes. Especially by the time the Upgrade ship crashed the film was going through the motions. We all knew what was going to happen. For better or worse the Predator Killer suit was something different. If the franchise is to continue (doubtful IMO) they need to do something completely different.
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 22, 2018, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 22, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 22, 2018, 12:34:14 PM
Original predator had a lot of practical, and in fact it has aged well.
You can do amazing sequels, aliens, terminator 2... Predator has a huge expanded universe, with plots 29900 times better.
And the predator cgi is bad, for today standars and for 2009 standars, its cheap, fast, bad...
So no, im not happy, it was a great opportunity, nice budget, that ended in this mess..
Im sad, shane black knows nothing about the predator...
Obviously you know better than him, roarrr pew pew :laugh:
Im more into the honor of the hunt, ambushing, smart and agile hunters... Predator stuff not hulk..
He did ambush people, and was agile too... Looks like predator stuff to me.
Ambushing? He was roarrr, he gets some random guy in a three, then eats his head, in the worse cgi ive seen in ages... 99 of the time he just runs and smashes, some kind of gore hulk, he even spits...
The upgrade put me out of the movie..
Jungle Hunter didn't need to bite heads and do crotch shots to be terryfying and roared in specific situations.
Quote from: ep40 on Sep 23, 2018, 05:59:19 PM
Jungle Hunter didn't need to bite heads and do crotch shots to be terryfying and roared in specific situations.
Thats the diference between a good movie vs the modern standar shit
Head bites are the difference between modern filmmaking and the films of yesteryear?
I don't think so.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 23, 2018, 10:28:01 PM
Head bites are the difference between modern filmmaking and the films of yesteryear?
I don't think so.
No, its the way its shown, the way they make you feel the creature is dangerous
I saw this today, and going into it with low expectations, and basically knowing everything that was going to happen I was actually surprised at how much I enjoyed it.
It was an action comedy, which I can understand would rub a lot of fans the wrong way, but at least it felt like everyone involved with the film knew it was all for fun and kind of a farce.
It was stupid, stupid, and stupid, but what can I say, it was a fun watch.
Worst movie ever. 0/10 to me.
Stupidest movie I've seen in a long time. Extremely botched and messy on all accounts. Way too much of a comedy. The way the movie turns everything Predator on its head felt extremely out of character. The Loonies were funny but not even two-dimensional. For me personally this movie has zero rewatchability as well as having no redeeming qualities making up for all its monumental flaws. Over the top CGI really made the movie feel even cheaper and cartoonier than it is. Pure trash but nit nearly as bad AVP:R. 1/5
I've thought about it, and why not have the next rebootquel in three years be a mix of the end of Predators and this, with Boyd Holbrook in a random samurai nanosuit. As we've seen, the returns aren't getting higher. Rather than have another ending that's supposed to "expand the franchise for sequels" that never does or never will, follow up on both cliffhangers.
Have Adrien Brody and Alice Braga show up on Earth in a ship. The next one probably isn't gonna draw Arnie back either. Maybe the movie turns out to never have any actual Predators in it.
Alrght, maybe I'm slightly joking, but i kinda dig the idea I just pulled out. Predator 2 was the last one with a semi closed conclusion. I just want a chance at closure on both endings at this point, as this movie looks as likely to get one as Solo does.
Finally saw it last night after much delaying on purpose
geez, what a dissapointment, what a dissapointment ...
Why did you said it twice ?
4.5/10 ..better that AVP;R ,but that ain`t saying much
Decent perfomances from the actors - given what they were working with, not a bad Predator design - the face was odd , some nice kills - although too much CGI involved with the blood ...the dogs were horrendous - stupid and just used a plot device - as much as everything else in the "script" i am afraid ...and don`t get start me on the ending. If i haven`t seen the spoilers from Mr H reviews i would honestly think of wanting my money back from the movie theathre just because of that "ending". The person responsible for it should be working somewhere in Asia constructing blueprints for Apple 24/7 , with the Jungle Hunter supervising him if he spares any effort and rip his freaking spine out in the end when he is begging for a break .
In brief - crappy CGI , horrible editing and mess of everything else - somethings worked and were tolerable ,while other where completely full of crap ...have no idea how anyone first have greenlighted such a movie budget with the script Dekker and Black provided and everything from then on with the movie process ...
And here i was thinking that the analytics and the bosses in my company are clueless ...stupid people everywhere i am afraid - especially in the high ranking positions :(
Honestly I think I prefer AVP R more.
Eggbarfing > spinal fluid collecting
teenagers > personified joke books
avpr aliens > predator dogs
wolf > upgrade
People are dying. We need guns. > Iron Man 3 reference.
Naaah
Wolf was great and had few saving graces, but the movie is awful - badly lit , and the dialogue is even more cringe worthy that The Predator
As i said - i am really baffled by the amount of cocaine used by the FOX CEO`s and their decision making. But at least i saw a final Predator movie for the last time on the big screen ...
Yeah, I get that everyone is fully entitled to an opinion...
...but the idea that anything in the franchise is as bad as the turd-pile that is Requiem simply strikes me as ridiculous.
Correct - at least at times The Predator looks and feels like a high budget movie, which cannot be said for the AVP:R
Quote from: JCDenton on Sep 24, 2018, 09:40:20 AM
Correct - at least at times The Predator looks and feels like a high budget movie, which cannot be said for the AVP:R
The predator feels like a high budget movie? The scene with the upgrade in the threes is one of the worse cgis ive seen in years..in fact most of the movie look cheap and fast done..
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Quote from: JCDenton on Sep 24, 2018, 09:40:20 AM
Correct - at least at times The Predator looks and feels like a high budget movie, which cannot be said for the AVP:R
The predator feels like a high budget movie? The scene with the upgrade in the threes is one of the worse cgis ive seen in years..in fact most of the movie look cheap and fast done..
I agree ..also the predator dogs looked like CGI crap., But you cannot judge the whole movie as botched because of 30 % crap effects - most likely due ot the reshoots and the guys didnqt have enough time to implement the CGI changes and make it look good.
However , there were some nice special effects here and there , the practical Predator looked great and as a whole you can see what was going on even in the dark - at least more thant AVP:R :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2018, 09:37:06 AM
Yeah, I get that everyone is fully entitled to an opinion...
...but the idea that anything in the franchise is as bad as the turd-pile that is Requiem simply strikes me as ridiculous.
Requiem is a dog's dinner.
When it started with the predator ships in space, didn't anyone else think have I walked into the wrong movie. I looked down at my ticket. I thought it was some star wars thing. I liked it thought, it was well done.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2018, 09:37:06 AM
Yeah, I get that everyone is fully entitled to an opinion...
...but the idea that anything in the franchise is as bad as the turd-pile that is Requiem simply strikes me as ridiculous.
Finally some common sense lol
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 24, 2018, 12:43:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2018, 09:37:06 AM
Yeah, I get that everyone is fully entitled to an opinion...
...but the idea that anything in the franchise is as bad as the turd-pile that is Requiem simply strikes me as ridiculous.
Finally some common sense lol
That, plus people claiming that the Alien prequels are much better than this. They make way less sense, are just as pointless and to be honest, i'll take a Predator-Killer over a facehugger-puking android while listening to Wagner any day of the week.
Both options are terrible...
Yeah ..Prometheus is not so bad, but all the rest after Alien 3 is just ...grrrrr
Quote from: JCDenton on Sep 24, 2018, 01:55:18 PM
Yeah ..Prometheus is not so bad, but all the rest after Alien 3 is just ...grrrrr
Prometheus is a well made movie, it just has dumb as f**k characters, uninspired designs (a giant squid and bold bouncers in elephant-suits, really?) plus a plot that
never makes any sense.
One can still not explain what the engineers were doing on that planet, and why they wanted to come to earth to destroy us... answers that were clearly intended for the sequel... which then had a completely different direction and left the question unanswered. Instead, giving us a mind boggling reason why the Alien even exists. Which i quite frankly hate, and it also completely takes aways the Alien and mysterious aspect of the character.
It also introduces a method (the spores) as something that is supposed to be underdeveloped in comparsion to the egg... although it is much more efficient, insidiously and deadly than the egg could ever be... ? Why was the ship on LV426 again? Ahh right, they never explained. That was supposed to come in Alien 5000, after they milked the living robots out of the corpse that was once an Alien... and became a bold guy.
I... i just stop, the Prequels in my book, are a huge clusterf**k and that's it.
At least we know why The Predator came to earth, in that regard, it makes more sense than both Alien-Prequels combined.
The case is, that I'm much bigger a predator fan than a 'movie' fan.
Requiem was a much worse film (as a movie), but in the way of messing up the creature, it did nothing but downgrade it ('but'). It was terrible of course, really.
This movie picks it up, throws it in the air and suplexes the falling thing into a pile of crap. As much as the acting and other things are better in it, that one is just disastrous and makes it less enjoyable than avpr. Wrong. It makes it even less unenjoyable.
That's how I see it. There are other opinions, which I accept. There is no common sense in review of a movie, it's not an objective matter. Get down from the high horse, people.
The Alien prequels are far superior to this.
That is something I do think so.
Also, on a side note: nevermind, I really don't care about all this so muc on a second thought.
Keep doing what you just do people, peace :) I'm better out of this thread.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 24, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
The Alien prequels are far superior to this.
Funny, your explanation, although i don't care about it much, is just as substantial as the prequels :D
I appreciate the prequels, they're visually and thematically interesting.
Although the characterisation is weaker than "The Predator" - that's all that is.
The prequels and The Predator both contain dumb plot holes.
The difference for me is the prequels, Prometheus especially, come across as thinking they're incredibly intelligent, meaningful films. It makes their stupidity all the more egregious and, to me, irredeemable. The Predator, on the other hand, never feels like it's trying to be anything more than a fun time, and that leaves me able to forgive it it's goofier moments.
I'd far sooner re-watch Black's movie than either of Ridley's prequels. Easily.
The Predator with no qualification believes itself as an intelligent approach to mental health in Sci-Fi.
Whilst completely misrepresenting the conditions, often in harmful stereotypes.
Which is far more "egregious" and "irredeemable" to me than disparate ruminations on the nature of life.
I'd argue that The Predator fails on all fronts apart from the characters, who are larger than life.
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Where-as despite my dislike of many elements, the Alien prequels do not.
I actually like prometheus, it has some problems but overal is a rewatchable movie and interesting start.
To sad scott decided to go covenant path instead of prometheus 2, and the idea of alien being created this way kills the realism of the creature, now its another freddy or jason
I like the cast, the Fugitive Predator breaking out of the lab was really cool, but the movie as a whole suffers from a) dumb ideas inherent to the story and b) further meddling by the studio. It's like a blurry mirror image to Predators in that is has the same (literally the same) half-baked, underwhelming concepts.
I liked the alien prequels more than The Predator. They at least look good, Ridley is good at doing that, he knows how to direct a movie, he knows how to show us a history, but he is terrible at adding ideas involving the alien. He doesn't get the creature and what made people become fans of it and the original movie. He is a great director and nothing else.
Shane on other hand is terrible at both moviemaking and any ideas he comes up with regarding the predator creatures. The Predator looked cheaper, characters and acting was worse, the behavior of the creatures was more altered from the original material. There are more redeeming qualities on the alien prequels, but overall I liked Predators more than both. At least on that one the director focused only at his job.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2018, 03:35:53 PM
The prequels and The Predator both contain dumb plot holes.
The difference for me is the prequels, Prometheus especially, come across as thinking they're incredibly intelligent, meaningful films. It makes their stupidity all the more egregious and, to me, irredeemable. The Predator, on the other hand, never feels like it's trying to be anything more than a fun time, and that leaves me able to forgive it's goofier moments.
I'd far sooner re-watch Black's movie than either of Ridley's prequels. Easily.
I'd prefer the prequels. In my opinion, just as there are bad things, there are good ones as well;
The Bad: incomplete character development, some stupid characters, some editing problems and an unhealthy amount of ambiguity (at least in Prometheus) to the point of make the plot somewhat nonsensical.
The Good: while not perfect by any means, there is a worthy attempt by Ridley Scott in doing something different. In addition, and beyond the pretentiousness of both films, the scope is epic and such movies have beautiful cinematography (awesome in visuals). Also, the designs of both, the human context and the alien world, are elegant and well crafted (regardless of the technological contrast with the original tetralogy and the lack of Giger's biomechanics) and there is a good balance between practical effects and CGI. Plus, there are some interesting philosophical / Blade Runner-like themes in the story and finally; I'll say that Fassbender's performance is solid and David is an interesting addition to the franchise. I don't like him as the creator of the Alien though.
But overall, the prequels are far from being the worst of the franchise. :P
^
In a roundabout way, this is kinda relevant to the point I was making earlier on - I disagree with you, but I accept your preference for the prequels as a valid opinion and can see why you might think that.
The opinion that The Predator is somehow a worse film than Requiem, however, is something I can't accept on any level :laugh: It totally baffles me.
I can't accept it on any level either.
There isn't much worse out there than The Strause Brothers' AVP Requiem.
Even just from a technical or entertainment standpoint.
With the release of every new movie, the one thing it does do is remind me of how brilliant the original Predator movie is. Technically every part of it is perfect.
And the Predator suit is still one of, if not the best use of practical fx in a movie.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 24, 2018, 09:02:42 PM
With the release of every new movie, the one thing it does do is remind me of how brilliant the original Predator movie is. Technically every part of it is perfect.
And the Predator suit is still one of, if not the best use of practical fx in a movie.
I dunno, it's in my top 5 favourite films but there's technical/continuity/blooper gaffes all over the place with it. Having to totally redesign the creature after filming started can't have helped at all though - Blain could claim to have been killed by two different aliens in that scene for example!
The concept and execution of that final Predator design though is absolutely superb, movie history.
Loved it.
Predator
Predator 2
The Predator
Predators.
Seen it twice. After reading all the crap reviews i was anticipating the worse. Must admit it was better the second time. Will get the 3D blu ray steelbook when it comes out. Good points, Munn, score, humour ( ok) some funny bits must admit. Bad cgi spaceship could have been better. I would give original Predator 10/10, Predator 2 .9/10 new one The Predator 7.5.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2018, 08:41:47 PM
The opinion that The Predator is somehow a worse film than Requiem, however, is something I can't accept on any level :laugh: It totally baffles me.
AVP R is way better because it's too dark to actually watch :laugh:
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 24, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
The Alien prequels are far superior to this.
Absolutely. They maintain a more adult and consistent tone with richer concepts. The opening of Covenant has more to ponder than the entirety of The Predator.
I have never seen so much hate as I have seen for the Predator. Every review, every comment I have read is like shit, terrible, crap. I loved it but it's upsetting I really thought we would finally get something everyone loved. I am writing from Australia and as I write this a preview for it just came on TV.
I don't hate the film. I do find some of the commentary overblown. But niggles remain.
Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 25, 2018, 12:00:05 PMAbsolutely. They maintain a more adult and consistent tone with richer concepts. The opening of Covenant has more to ponder than the entirety of The Predator.
Which is fine, but it's not like the previous Predator movies were especially deep, philosophical pieces. They're B-movie entertainment.
The Predator simply follows in that vein.
Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 25, 2018, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 24, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
The Alien prequels are far superior to this.
Absolutely. They maintain a more adult and consistent tone with richer concepts. The opening of Covenant has more to ponder than the entirety of The Predator.
It was supposed to be a "methapysical" introduction of some sort, but they were paraphrasing everything ! How can this be metaphysical with two characters explaining everything ? It's nonsensical, metaphysical stuff is supposed to be feel, not heard. It was an overpretentious introduction IMO.
Where are you getting "metaphysical" from?
No, the introduction was solid gold- perhaps the best singular scene in the entire franchise.
It's a shame the rest of the film did not follow in it's wake.
The introduction was indeed solid gold. It hooked me in immediately.
The Predator does have B movie entertainment (see the escape of Fugitive). But we need more of this. Don't kill off your greatest asset so soon. As my viewing partner said after the movie, there wasn't really that much Pred action. And I kinda agree. Needed more scenes like Fugitive's breakout. Go all out.
Quote from: burkewhimp on Sep 25, 2018, 12:08:43 PM
I have never seen so much hate as I have seen for the Predator. Every review, every comment I have read is like shit, terrible, crap. I loved it but it's upsetting I really thought we would finally get something everyone loved. I am writing from Australia and as I write this a preview for it just came on TV.
I take it you're not a Star Wars fan lol
The film does have some incredibly dumb moments but it's also pretty entertaining in places and I'm planning to see it again so in that regard mission accomplished from the movie.
I thought it was a fun cinema experience- especially because I'm a person that appreciate it in the first instance.
But I have no desire to see it another time.
Quote from: huntin8-t0n on Sep 22, 2018, 05:46:07 PM
No need to repeat myself anyhow, especially that opinion that is not praising is pretty much not welcome here.
Come now, we're all free to express the good, the bad, the sequel that is worse. Don't take it personally, if it isn't.
For the "bad" action-humor-badoneliners I blame M.Bay and his style of shooting films...or blowing up, for that matter. I grew up on the 80's and 90's movies where you had to think. Today's ain't dog turd sliding down the widow.
Quote from: brain_damage on Sep 25, 2018, 11:26:04 PM
Today's ain't dog turd sliding down the widow.
Just to play devils advocate, the kid who threw it did say she had it comin'. ;)
Just came out of the second viewing, which actually improved my rating by half a point to a straight 7/10.
Much more forgiving this time and scrutinizing the DNA plot, it isn't as contradicting as it seemed, but not very clearly defined either.
7/10 is about the right score, IMO. I may see it a second time to confirm that thought.
There is some continuity error, like the camper van arriving twice at the sports field.
Not really any different to Dutch and his boys suddenly pulling a whole load of Claymores out of nowhere when they suddenly decide to mine their position.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 26, 2018, 02:10:41 PM
Not really any different to Dutch and his boys suddenly pulling a whole load of Claymores out of nowhere when they suddenly decide to mine their position.
And that communication set of hawkins you mean? Most of them did carry some bags and satchels.
Yeah, 6.5-7 seems about right.
Lol the camper scene- missed that too!
Now it occurred to me, something did- whenever the Dreds are running, or starting to, they're so slow and clumsy- something I'd personally like to see CGI or video editing improve. It seems that th slow motion happens each time they move. That did always bother me.
Oh, and to jump in the convo again- in the end when they were opening the pod...Did anyone think it was going to be an egg or the black jello 'o' death instead of Predator killer?
It was human shaped for a reason, and that human can still come into play in a sequel.
It's not weaponizing humans that is the worst idea, it's the execution of making it look like Stark stole some tech.
Absolutely hated this one. Bad cgi, bad effects, cgi predator. Not much that I did like except the cast. The cast was great, did not like Olivia munn though. Hated her character actually. I hate to say this, but I think this is the final nail in the coffin for me on the Alien and Predator franchise. I have the older films to remember and enjoy but I'm getting into other things now. This shit sucked. It's been fun here, but it's time for me to move on.
True, it was a bit overkill. But I've spotted something seeing the movie in 4DX theater just a moment ago- the pod had a ruber/plastic cap at the end spelling "POD 3".,,perhaps there are more- we never saw that one eject...or other for that matter. Anyone having some thoughts on it?
I found it funny that the the Coyle/Baxley bromance had a finite moment together. Baxley on the tree with protruding branch, and Coyle laying beneath the tree with a hole in the stomach...a stick and a hole...get it? Made me giggle a bit more than it should.
Alien ≠ Predator
Quote from: brain_damage on Sep 27, 2018, 10:30:50 PM
True, it was a bit overkill. But I've spotted something seeing the movie in 4DX theater just a moment ago- the pod had a ruber/plastic cap at the end spelling "POD 3".,,perhaps there are more- we never saw that one eject...or other for that matter. Anyone having some thoughts on it?
I found it funny that the the Coyle/Baxley bromance had a finite moment together. Baxley on the tree with protruding branch, and Coyle laying beneath the tree with a hole in the stomach...a stick and a hole...get it? Made me giggle a bit more than it should.
But why the hell should Predators label their pods in human writing?
Exactly. Another stupid thing in that stupid ending. I have to wonder if it was a reused prop.
I enjoyed the movie but I've had no desire to see it a second time. I feel it will be a better rewatch on blu ray.
4 years of messing around from the Studio and it just feels like it's all fallen flat.
Speaking from my own point of view, usually there's a buzz around the Hot Toys figures but no-one seems arsed about them anymore. And considering that Assassin is the lead Predator, excluding NECA, there's not another company pushing forward with him.
Compared to past movie releases the noise from the fans seems very quiet. Maybe I'm just getting older and not looking in the right places...
I am not saying it is a part of the pod, on the contrary. Looks like a rubber/plastic wrap for it's end.
This was just disappointing. It had good bits but not much. It wasn't even as entertaining as I hoped it would be at least. Very few of the jokes hit home with me.
Lore wise? It's bad, I had less of a problem with Covenant's ideas than this. Covenant executed their retroactive wtf moments better than The Predator IMO. I even liked some of Covenant's premises but whenever it got annoying at least Scott made it ambiguous enough that a lot of the problems the fans have can be fixed nicely and at least the ideas weren't in your face all the time being presented as fact. The Predator loves doing that though. Munn and Brown were exposition machines and the worst kind at that, they were there to throw the new annoying stuff at our faces and if those new premises aren't fact, then they're just pulling stuff out of their ass. Fox has chopped this movie up, but the majority of the faults lye with Black.
The whole premise of the movie is bad. Marvel Ironman Predator Suits? Weaponized autism? WTF?! And why? Predators can't be that stupid to need really uniquely smart people, their technology is already too advanced to make us think they need smarter genes from humans... The way Black handled the mental issues of the characters really bugs me. Autism is not a superpower, and even if it was the case that everyone who has autism is a savant (which it's not), it's still a stretch to believe that a little kid could be what the Upgrade wants. If the kid was a lot older and had proven himself with his actions, or thinking up some plans that might have been believable, I'd have preferred that. It doesn't feel earned here, he just becomes the Deus Ex Machina/MacGuffin. It seems like the movie is stating that your autism is awesome only if you're a savant too, if the writers even know that the not every autistic person is a savant.
"Most experts believe that autism is the next step in evolution" is false. The majority don't believe that, firstly because that's not how evolution works. It's a gene variation, with benefits and flaws like so many others. I'm mean, are blue eyes the next step of evolution? It's just a mutation, evolution doesn't work like that guys, especially since we as humans have almost eliminated natural selection. Things go a little differently now. It seems like Black is glorifying some mental health issues because of his condition. That's just arrogant and self serving when you go overboard. I say that because of his comment on people with schizophrenia, how some people believe that they are seeing things that others can't see. WTF?! That's dangerous thinking and mental health is no joke.
It's weird. He doesn't tackle mental heath very well here in the movie. But if you do want to do that, you make a serious movie. So why is the movie then so silly? It doesn't take it self seriously, at all. It's not a parody, because the parodies I've watched are much more fun than this. It's a bad comedy with weird ideas for a predator film and they're executed so poorly at best. Yes, the previous movies had funny moments, but the jokes stop when the predator appears.
This movie didn't need DNA upgrading, a kid as a Deus Ex Machina/MacGuffin in a predator flick is a shit idea as well as a kid being the greatest warrior among soldiers, the predator dogs were poor in design and horrible in execution, human/predator hybrids, spine juice and bulletproof skin are moronic.
If the movie had to have the upgrading stuff, how about this? Don't make your Predator 2.0 a generic Hulk. Want him to be bulletproof? First, that's some lazy writing but secondly, you than give him a cool full armor bodysuit (not like the one at the ending!). Thirdly, make him smarter and use sly tactics. If you have to, give him a few new abilities because of the upgrading and show bit by bit how those abilities become crucial for the new predator as the fight goes on, reveal them slowly and don't go overboard with the superpowers.
I'll take Covenant's pretentious and ambiguous retcons over The Predator's parody retcons any day. The actors did a good job at least. But the movie really feels like it's insulting it's core roots. The predators don't feel like tribal game hunters at all in this movie and that's what bothers me the most.
I have more fun watching AvP:R, though they're bad just the same, just that AvP:R pisses me off less.
The ending? I'm not even gonna talk about that abomination...
Is it funny? A bit. Deadpool 2 was much more hilarious than I could've ever expected.
Is it fun? Not much right now because I'm still angry as to how the lore was treated arrogantly. I'll probably cool down eventually and enjoy the film more then. But if I want stupid fun and better action then I go watch Infinity War.
So, IMHO this movie has nothing really worthwhile to offer me. Other movies do many things (almost everything) better. The only positive thing this movie has to offer me was Fugitive. He was likable if I forget he is part human. Upgrade was okay, but meh compared to any other predator ever.
The Predator is cooked, with an orange in his mouth.
Quote from: brain_damage on Sep 27, 2018, 10:30:50 PM
perhaps there are more- we never saw that one eject...
Yes we did, isn't that what gets shot out of the Pred ship right at the start of the film?
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 30, 2018, 01:24:02 AMYes we did, isn't that what gets shot out of the Pred ship right at the start of the film?
That was the Fugitive's escape pod, the thing that nearly pancakes McKenna in Mexico.
Quote from: brain_damage on Sep 27, 2018, 10:30:50 PM
True, it was a bit overkill. But I've spotted something seeing the movie in 4DX theater just a moment ago- the pod had a ruber/plastic cap at the end spelling "POD 3".,,perhaps there are more- we never saw that one eject...or other for that matter. Anyone having some thoughts on it?
They mention there being more encounters with Predators earlier in the film, so it's possibly just the third recovered pod over the years (there were two "friendly" Predators originally who could've been Pod 1 and 2, or they just put "3" to imply backstory.)
Have seen it twice and enjoyed it both times. Nothing will ever touch the original or even the sequel. Thought the misfits worked well together, it was a little too funny which made it a little goofy but fun. Liked how they tried to expand the Predator mythos.
Upon second view the scale was more apparent with Stargazer set, Predator ship, the small town vibe worked and I caught some nice Easter eggs which makes me wonder what else they put in. Weakest aspect was probably that Boyd Holbrook doesn't hold a candle to Arnie or Danny.
The pod reveal would have been a perfect Arnold cameo. A shame the investment won't pay off so we'll see what happens in another 8 years.
Rank them 1, 2, 4, 3, Avp, Avp 2.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 30, 2018, 09:53:43 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 30, 2018, 01:24:02 AMYes we did, isn't that what gets shot out of the Pred ship right at the start of the film?
That was the Fugitive's escape pod, the thing that nearly pancakes McKenna in Mexico.
I stand corrected, thanks for the info. I'd be lying if I said I could remember all the details clearly. ;)
Quote from: viendammage on Oct 01, 2018, 04:16:55 AM
The pod reveal would have been a perfect Arnold cameo.
Yes! I just talked to someone who saw the movie on Saturday and this was EXACTLY what he was thinking. He was convinced Dutch was in there, and was surprised when it wasn't!
QuoteA shame the investment won't pay off so we'll see what happens in another 8 years.
Rank them 1, 2, 4, 3, Avp, Avp 2.
Totally agree with your top three: 1, 2, 4
I prefer predators, i rewatched it, and after seeing the new one ive seen it with other eyes.
The plot while bad develop is way better than the mess from black, and they used another specie so it dont mess with the legacy of the original, the fight scene was meh but overal i prefer predators, and the super pred designs are better for me than the hulk i mean upgrade.
Did IQ droped while i was alway?
This movie is not OK, this movie is a mess.
I thought It was a stand up comedy, i really do.
It was cringye a*.
When i think of Predator movies i think of action, heros, badassery, the unknow, fear, like when Billy said they all were going to die in the jungle, when Dutch had no exit and decided to make a stand, when Mike gets overwhelmed about discovering what was hunting him, this movie has any of that, It feels like they want to shove down your trouth action comedy and fear ALL the same time.
Thomas Jane, a great actor that is set aside, a kid plot that is forgetable, why there is a kid in a Predator movie?
This movie has nothing to keep you going, its full of comedy reliefs that destroys the movie tensions, its to much, does Shane didnt knew the time to stop?
I mean, 90% of this movie is garbage, even If the plot had potencial Shane Black made the worst possible with It, non-stop stupid jokes, the movie is so dark that you have to force to see the action, its even darker than AvP2.
Everything that has almost none probability of happen happens! Its nice that it has gore, also the CGI when the exo Predator eats that guys head is awfull.
Ah and the end, how they could do such bad ending.
Predator killer, the kid is the New CEO out of no-where. I Dont even remember what happened with the director of the Stargaze project. Its a teenager movie.
It was that bad. I had to say, imo even AvP2 was a Far better movie.
Btw, im actually Sad because we are now really far away from a decent Alien or Predator movie.
I Dont see any alien or Predator movie in the short or long term. And that makes me sad and pissed.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 01, 2018, 08:22:24 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Oct 01, 2018, 04:16:55 AM
The pod reveal would have been a perfect Arnold cameo.
Yes! I just talked to someone who saw the movie on Saturday and this was EXACTLY what he was thinking. He was convinced Dutch was in there, and was surprised when it wasn't!
QuoteA shame the investment won't pay off so we'll see what happens in another 8 years.
Rank them 1, 2, 4, 3, Avp, Avp 2.
Totally agree with your top three: 1, 2, 4
I got so pumped watching and thinking it was a secret Arnold cameo then that War Machine suit came out and I got brought back to earth! Think you could have brought back Arnie in a meaty supporting role as either a government guy or a late introduction who saves them and sacrifices himself or gets taken out of the fight. So then the film wouldn't hinge on his involvement since he's not exactly box office guarantee these days but who is?
Rank wise, I put this in front of Predators because it tells it's own story and has a more engaging cast. Predators grows on you but it's still a two act film that lifts mercilessly from the original without adding much.
P.S. my friends and I always ask each other, "want some candy?", Predator 2 for life!
Quote from: viendammage on Oct 02, 2018, 02:12:55 AM]
I got so pumped watching and thinking it was a secret Arnold cameo then that War Machine suit came out and I got brought back to earth! Think you could have brought back Arnie in a meaty supporting role as either a government guy or a late introduction who saves them and sacrifices himself or gets taken out of the fight. So then the film wouldn't hinge on his involvement since he's not exactly box office guarantee these days but who is?
I know the studio wanted to move away from an Arnold staring vehicle, but I don't know why they didn't pursue a "Creed" or "Blade Runner 2049" formula where they bring back Arnold as "Dutch" and match him with someone like Michael B. Jordan or Ryan Gosling. Considering Arnold would have been reportedly interested in returning to the Predator franchise if his part was bigger, it certainly feels like a missed opportunity in my humble opinion to attract new fans as well as old.
QuoteRank wise, I put this in front of Predators because it tells it's own story and has a more engaging cast. Predators grows on you but it's still a two act film that lifts mercilessly from the original without adding much.
YES!!!!! I was just complaining about Predators lifting from the original on a different thread, using Hanzo as an example. This is a portion of what I said:
Take Hanzo the Yakuza. He stops fleeing with the survivors just like Billy. Turns to face the oncoming Predator just like Billy. Takes off his shirt just like Billy. Un-sheathes his bladed weapon just like Billy. The exact music plays, just like it did with Billy.I'm all for a sword fight with a Predator, but come on, get us there a different way. That's why, even with all its misteps, "The Predator" is fresh and so much more engaging than "Predators" (including a better cast).
QuoteP.S. my friends and I always ask each other, "want some candy?", Predator 2 for life!
Yes!!!!
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And when he repeats "want some candy" in the subway car I find it so chilling. I love Predator 2 as much as the original. Sometimes more. I always contend..."That's how you do a sequel!" BOOM!!
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 02, 2018, 03:10:23 AM
I know the studio wanted to move away from an Arnold staring vehicle, but I don't know why they didn't pursue a "Creed" or "Blade Runner 2049" formula where they bring back Arnold as "Dutch" and match him with someone like Michael B. Jordan or Ryan Gosling. Considering Arnold would have been reportedly interested in returning to the Predator franchise if his part was bigger, it certainly feels like a missed opportunity in my humble opinion to attract new fans as well as old.
Which, I think is the only way to bring Arnold back to the Predator series in a believable way. And to be honest, with the way the series is going, is the kind of draw they might need.
But then again, you'd need to have a better scope than this film had. And I'm not sure if I would like the comic book angle with Dutch the ending of this film implied.
The best angle would have been something along the lines the prequel novel took with a Predator survivor teaching a new unit specifically devoted to hunting/fighting the Predators.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 02, 2018, 08:40:41 AM
The best angle would have been something along the lines the prequel novel took with a Predator survivor teaching a new unit specifically devoted to hunting/fighting the Predators.
That surely would have been terrific.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 02, 2018, 08:40:41 AM
The best angle would have been something along the lines the prequel novel took with a Predator survivor teaching a new unit specifically devoted to hunting/fighting the Predators.
Spot on.
Been saying this for a while now.
Arnie in charge of a few Black Ops units and not in the thick of it would be the best way to utilise him.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Oct 02, 2018, 06:24:38 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 02, 2018, 08:40:41 AM
The best angle would have been something along the lines the prequel novel took with a Predator survivor teaching a new unit specifically devoted to hunting/fighting the Predators.
Spot on.
Been saying this for a while now.
Arnie in charge of a few Black Ops units and not in the thick of it would be the best way to utilise him.
Well the current Fox regime didn't want Schwarzenegger to be in a lead role, but that regime is changing soon. And maybe, just maybe, if the new Terminator is a success next year, maybe new, smarter heads bring Dutch into the Predator fold one more time.
Putting Dutch into The Predator would've fixed precisely none of its problems.
I don't get why people think it's so important.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2018, 06:43:21 PM
Putting Dutch into The Predator would've fixed precisely none of its problems.
A great story, great director, great cast will. But Schwarzenegger's return would likely generate a lot of media buzz, a lot of interest, which likely will boost box-office grosses... definitely at the very least... internationally.
Plus I think many of us think Dutch's story shouldn't be over. We're looking forward here pretty much, not what they should have done with "The Predator"
Perhaps if Terminator is successful in the future Predator, Arnold Schwarzenegger returns?
Perhaps.
I plan on seeing it again in the theater as it may be the last time seeing the Pred on the big screen smh :-\
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Oct 02, 2018, 06:24:38 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 02, 2018, 08:40:41 AM
The best angle would have been something along the lines the prequel novel took with a Predator survivor teaching a new unit specifically devoted to hunting/fighting the Predators.
Spot on.
Been saying this for a while now.
Arnie in charge of a few Black Ops units and not in the thick of it would be the best way to utilise him.
I totally agree. Great book and the whole Stargazer concept opens to a lot of possible scenarios which are true to the creature yet can solve some of its secrets. Though I wouldn't say the character of Dutch can't be replaced, especially with the inprobable case of Arnie returning to the franchise.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2018, 06:43:21 PM
Putting Dutch into The Predator would've fixed precisely none of its problems.
I don't get why people think it's so important.
Exactly. And the guy took out a predator with mere luck in the end... Doesn't make him an expert on the matter.
Yeah, Harrigan got a lot more hits on a Predator than Dutch did. He'd be a more likely candidate for the capsule.
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Oct 02, 2018, 07:46:13 PM
I plan on seeing it again in the theater as it may be the last time seeing the Pred on the big screen smh :-\
We'll get a reboot in 8 years
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 02, 2018, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2018, 06:43:21 PM
Putting Dutch into The Predator would've fixed precisely none of its problems.
I don't get why people think it's so important.
Exactly. And the guy took out a predator with mere luck in the end... Doesn't make him an expert on the matter.
But if he was going to come back, I think that'd be the most realistic way of him being back. Or another Predator comes and tries to track him down as he's seen as challenge.
Personally, I was hoping Harrigan would crawl out of that pod at the end, though. :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 03, 2018, 08:03:21 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 02, 2018, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2018, 06:43:21 PM
Putting Dutch into The Predator would've fixed precisely none of its problems.
I don't get why people think it's so important.
Exactly. And the guy took out a predator with mere luck in the end... Doesn't make him an expert on the matter.
But if he was going to come back, I think that'd be the most realistic way of him being back. Or another Predator comes and tries to track him down as he's seen as challenge.
Personally, I was hoping Harrigan would crawl out of that pod at the end, though. :P
Those Predators seeking dutch must not realize that at 70 odds years of age, he isn't going to be lifting logs and running around jungles anymore.
Predator: Damn I thought I had found the ultimate challenge.
Old Dutch: I'm sorry, can you speak up, my hearing isn't as good as it used to be.
Somewhere in the backgound... Harrigan: Hey what about me? I dueled one of you and won! "crack" Oww!!, my hip!!. :laugh:
In all seriousness, Arnie looks great for his age and still doing stuff but physically, he and by extension, his character isn't going to much of a threat. It would have to be through pure cunning and intelligence, unless of course he wore that darn Predator Killer.
Him being in some secret government unit is the only way I see it work. Him being in the pod from the Predator's home world or even just mothership sounds cringy as hell.
Maybe he took over O.W.L.F. after the death of P2 Keyes. Since they are a different organisation to Stargazer arent they?
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Oct 03, 2018, 10:42:27 AM
Maybe he took over O.W.L.F. after the death of P2 Keyes. Since they are a different organisation to Stargazer arent they?
According to the prequel novel, Stargazer evolved from OWLF.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Oct 03, 2018, 08:39:33 AM
Predator: Damn I thought I had found the ultimate challenge.
Old Dutch: I'm sorry, can you speak up, my hearing isn't as good as it used to be.
Somewhere in the backgound... Harrigan: Hey what about me? I dueled one of you and won! "crack" Oww!!, my hip!!.
You forgot to make Harrigan say... "I'm too old for this shit." ; :D
This movie needs to be made! Get this script to Fox!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 03, 2018, 11:47:33 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Oct 03, 2018, 08:39:33 AM
Predator: Damn I thought I had found the ultimate challenge.
Old Dutch: I'm sorry, can you speak up, my hearing isn't as good as it used to be.
Somewhere in the backgound... Harrigan: Hey what about me? I dueled one of you and won! "crack" Oww!!, my hip!!.
You forgot to make Harrigan say... "I'm too old for this shit." ; :D
This movie needs to be made! Get this script to Fox!
It's always sunny might just do such a parody episode...
Quote from: von on Oct 03, 2018, 10:49:43 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Oct 03, 2018, 10:42:27 AM
Maybe he took over O.W.L.F. after the death of P2 Keyes. Since they are a different organisation to Stargazer arent they?
According to the prequel novel, Stargazer evolved from OWLF.
Ah right. still need to read that
Just saw it a second time and well I enjoyed it. It still got a few chuckles out of me and I still think the cast was good. I think they really wasted the Fugitive Predator though. You have a Pred that's decided to risk its life and go rogue so it can get back at the ones who experimented on him unwillingly. That's pretty damn interesting but it hardly takes any focus once the idea is out there.
Upgrade just fails as a threat. He destroys the 'normal' one like the Spinosaurus did to the T-Rex in JP3 to say "Hey audience this is the bigger, badder villain now" but really he barely does anything. Half the loonies aren't even killed by him, he develops that annoying trait in movies where they'll kill everyone except the important people who he'll push away instead and fighting him doesn't seem like an immense struggle.
Dutch and Royce set up elaborate traps while Harrigan pretty much has his back to the wall twice but he just happens to have a deadly weapon at the right time to counter with. McKenna just taking him on straight up is a little lacklustre by comparison.
I'm glad though this time I could catch the human bad guy blowing his own head off. That flew by me on a first viewing. Also Munn's biologist character had to have some sort of military training in the past. She barely even flinches when the Fugitive makes his escape, just grabs a tranq gun and goes after it.
Oh and on the current topic, I'd be happy never to see Dutch again. This isn't a series that needs to bring back old characters in an ironic attempt to breathe new life into it. Cameos are fine but making a good film should take precedence over thinking bringing characters back is going to bring audiences back or produce a better story.
I wasn't bothered with Munn's familiarity with weapons. Not at all. Like her arguing why it shouldn't be a thing, it just worked fine for me.
I prefer duch return (i dont like the idea), but i prefer it over a new movies with mutant dna predators, or indopredators, or this shit that have no sense.
As i said before, i would like to see a movie in wich pred survives, or a movie set in the future, with some colonial marines, i know its the same, grup of soldiers and a pred, but i prefer that, i want a good action movie with some horror, or even some clan wars, in wich they erase the upgrade clan, saying that they are aberrations, and they should have never existed..
Ranking
Predator
Predator 2
AvP
The Predator ( Predator 4)
I thought it was pretty bad, but I was disappointed it wasn't as bad as I expected it to be. I went in hoping it'd be so ridiculous I'd laugh at how bad it was but it didn't get to that point. I thought almost everything in the movie was absurd, and every attempt at an explanation made it seem even more absurd, but it wasn't enough to make it amusing. I found the scene in the bedroom to be legitimately funny, easily the most fun I had watching the movie.
Overall it's bad but not noteworthy enough to hate or even remember. I found myself having the mild curiosity to rewatch Predators some time ago, but I doubt that will happen with this one.
Always funny to see people rank AVP above The Predator :laugh:
Obviously to each their own, but i suspect a lack of knowledge in cinema in most cases ;D
That's condescending, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Claiming AVPR is superior to The Predator is absurd, AVP not so much.
The Predator- has worse editing than Prometheus and that's saying something.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 05, 2018, 10:55:22 PM
That's condescending, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Claiming AVPR is superior to The Predator is absurd, AVP not so much.
The Predator- has worse editing than Prometheus and that's saying something.
Avp as bad you can consider it i better executed and has more sense overal, i really think avp is better executed than the predator, well the predator doesnt even have execution, is scenes glued together
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 08:55:28 PM
Always funny to see people rank AVP above The Predator :laugh:
Obviously to each their own, but i suspect a lack of knowledge in cinema in most cases ;D
I have knowledge of cinema (whatever you think that means) and I'd put AvP above The Predator any day.
So here's my question. While I enjoyed the Predator, if I say in my head when viewing it, "oh yeah I can see why people didn't like it?" does that mean deep down I thought it was crap and I'm in denial.
Quote from: burkewhimp on Oct 06, 2018, 03:40:37 AM
So here's my question. While I enjoyed the Predator, if I say in my head when viewing it, "oh yeah I can see why people didn't like it?" does that mean deep down I thought it was crap and I'm in denial.
No, it means you can look at it critically and empathize with others without agreeing with them.
Before the new millennium, the thought of waiting for an Alien or Predator film to show up on home media instead of heading to the box office, was unfathomable. I never did see The Predator at the theater, though I had the intent. With so much negative feedback in various forms, it had me procrastinating each day.
Doesn't help that I've grown a deep aversion towards theaters, maybe I'm just getting old. What most likely sealed the deal though, is one afternoon I was tossing around whether to head to the theater. Instead, I decided to do a replay of Predator 87. I concluded at that point a box office viewing of The Predator would likely leave a bad taste considering the fresh replay of the original still oscillating in my noggin.
Which brings to me to this question to those who have seen it. I rent/buy movies at VUDU. Do you think The Predator is worth a copy purchase or rent only?
Rent.
If your a Predator fan, purchase, definitely. Lot's of good stuff in this movie and in my opinion it's much better than the AVPs, and (depending how much you like/dislike the third installment) Predators.
QuoteWhich brings to me to this question to those who have seen it. I rent/buy movies at VUDU. Do you think The Predator is worth a copy purchase or rent only?
I'm a consumerist slave, so I own a copy of every Alien/Predator movie regardless of my subjective taste in each one, despite the fact that I have never owed 20th Century Fox anything.
I'm particularly intrigued to own The Predator, though, because of the prospect of seeing the footage they replaced.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 06, 2018, 01:36:11 PM
If your a Predator fan, purchase, definitely. Lot's of good stuff in this movie and in my opinion it's much better than the AVPs, and (depending how much you like/dislike the third installment) Predators.
If you are a predator fan, you will be dissapointed in the joke that creature has become, the dna plot is not only stupid, its also against what preds are, they dont want to upgrade themself, they want a prey worth hunt it, a challenge, and not to speak the aberrations like predalien for they society..
The movie should be burn and erased from existence.
Avp, as bad it can be, its better, has better cgi, better plot, yes its not a joke, better coherence, better climax and movie structure...
Rent - Old One, Still Collating...
Buy - Hudson, Voodoo Magic, Still Collating...(for set collection purpose)
Skip it - Nathsp
I was sincere when I stated awhile back I respect this community's input more so than many other movie forums. And their input has helped me to decide to rent or purchase in the recent past. I estimate it will be about a month, maybe two, before it surfaces on VUDU. So thanks for the input and keep them coming.
Quote from: burkewhimp on Oct 06, 2018, 03:40:37 AM
So here's my question. While I enjoyed the Predator, if I say in my head when viewing it, "oh yeah I can see why people didn't like it?" does that mean deep down I thought it was crap and I'm in denial.
No brother. There are plenty of films that are considered "Rotten Tomatoes" that still connect with people on various levels. With a 34% critic rating, it doesnt mean 34% of critics found it to be a perfect film, however it does mean 34% of the critics found enough enjoyment with the picture to recommend it,
despite its flaws. You (and me) are just among that 34% that still found enjoyment with it... actually 44% if you consider audience reviews.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Oct 06, 2018, 10:12:03 PM
Rent - Old One
Buy - Hudson, Voodoo Magic
Skip it - Nathsp
I was sincere when I stated awhile back I respect this community's input more so than many other movie forums. And their input has helped me to decide to rent or purchase in the recent past. I estimate it will be about a month, maybe two, before it surfaces on VUDU. So thanks for the input and keep them coming.
Happy we can be a help... in our eccentric, unconventional ways! :D
Quote from: SiL on Oct 06, 2018, 01:09:16 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 08:55:28 PM
Always funny to see people rank AVP above The Predator :laugh:
Obviously to each their own, but i suspect a lack of knowledge in cinema in most cases ;D
I have knowledge of cinema (whatever you think that means) and I'd put AvP above The Predator any day.
I'll stand my ground on this one :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 07, 2018, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 06, 2018, 01:09:16 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 08:55:28 PM
Always funny to see people rank AVP above The Predator :laugh:
Obviously to each their own, but i suspect a lack of knowledge in cinema in most cases ;D
I have knowledge of cinema (whatever you think that means) and I'd put AvP above The Predator any day.
I'll stand my ground on this one :laugh:
Im in the AVP > The Predator camp. It might have been goofy, and too similar to WWE for the actual fights, but it's a better film.
Quote from: Stitch on Oct 07, 2018, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 07, 2018, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 06, 2018, 01:09:16 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 08:55:28 PM
Always funny to see people rank AVP above The Predator :laugh:
Obviously to each their own, but i suspect a lack of knowledge in cinema in most cases ;D
I have knowledge of cinema (whatever you think that means) and I'd put AvP above The Predator any day.
I'll stand my ground on this one :laugh:
Im in the AVP > The Predator camp. It might have been goofy, and too similar to WWE for the actual fights, but it's a better film.
Whole heartedly disagree.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Oct 06, 2018, 10:12:03 PM
Rent - Old One
Buy - Hudson, Voodoo Magic
Skip it - Nathsp
I was sincere when I stated awhile back I respect this community's input more so than many other movie forums. And their input has helped me to decide to rent or purchase in the recent past. I estimate it will be about a month, maybe two, before it surfaces on VUDU. So thanks for the input and keep them coming.
As far as I'm concerned, if you collected all the movies till this point (including the AVPs), than you'll probably want to do the same with this entry, but if you don't have all the movies on DVD or Blue Ray and just want to see the movie, then rent it is what I'd advise.
I have liked all the Alien/Predator/AvP movies till now, have great love for the classics and enjoyed a lot from the newer movies, IMO I saw more good than bad in the newer releases. This is the first movie where the bad outweighs the good IMHO.
As a fan of the franchise and out of sheer curiosity alone, I recommend renting it so that you at least can see for yourself what's it about, but I personally cannot recommend buying it unless you already have a detailed collection of the movies.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 07, 2018, 01:08:32 PM
As far as I'm concerned, if you collected all the movies till this point (including the AVPs), than you'll probably want to do the same with this entry, but if you don't have all the movies on DVD or Blue Ray and just want to see the movie, then rent it is what I'd advise.
A few years ago my house was destroyed by fire including my entire disc collection (home insurance reimbursed). From that aftermath, I decided to go streaming library. A fire can't destroy your library in the cloud. VUDU does recurring discounts so that dictates a lot of what I collect.
Awhile back, they offered the Alien 6 film collection at a sizable discount and I bought it, but I have only Predator and Predators.....still waiting for Predator 2 and AVP to cycle into the deal of the week (no interest in collecting AVPR). I have bought a few new arrivals at full price. It's trying to estimate what new arrivals are worth the risk regarding purchase or rent.
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Side note........To go off subject a bit regarding a house fire. Here's advice to share in the unfortunate event you have a major fire. Don't throw anything away! Ever! Over the last several years, I had accumulated a large stack of old or broken disc players, tape players, old audio equipment, broke TV's, small appliances, etc. I don't know why I didn't just pitch them. I just threw them all on a storage shelf in the basement.
After the fire, Home insurance had to reimburse me on all those devices. They didn't even ask me if they were broken. They depreciated them, but still had to reimburse. They were not even touched by the fire (the flame destruction was mostly upstairs), but they were declared totaled because of smoke saturation. Home insurance has to guarantee there will no residual smoke smell after they rebuild. So they pretty much condemned everything.
I finally saw it, Belgium always gets alien and predator films after everyone else, it's so annoying!
To put it simply, I really enjoyed it, the preds were awesome, the action was nice and bloody. The main problem for me was that the cinema decided to insert a 10 minute break which kind of took me out of the immersion and I also had French and Dutch subtitles which were WAY too bright, I'm looking forward to the DVD release.
Quote from: Dingbat on Oct 08, 2018, 04:43:39 PM
I finally saw it, Belgium always gets alien and predator films after everyone else, it's so annoying!
To put it simply, I really enjoyed it, the preds were awesome, the action was nice and bloody. The main problem for me was that the cinema decided to insert a 10 minute break which kind of took me out of the immersion and I also had French and Dutch subtitles which were WAY too bright, I'm looking forward to the DVD release.
An under two hour movie received a 10 minute break? Quite unnecessary if you ask me... unless they were serving beer then much appreciated! ;D
Glad you liked it.
No Lawrence of Arabia.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 08, 2018, 05:05:10 PM
No Lawrence of Arabia.
True, I'm a big fan LOA, but in all fairness, LOA is also not without a healthy share of flaws. It's plagued with historical inaccuracies and other unrealistic portrayals including the absurd quicksand death scene and the geographical depiction of Arabian deserts as scenic wondrous rolling sand dunes. Quite the opposite, they are rather drab, flat, and peppered with vast gravel beds.
Cinematic enhancements for the picture.
Regardless how one might feel towards Lawrence of Arabia, clocking at a whopping 3 hours and 48 minutes, that was a movie where its intermission was truly justified!
Indeed. :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 08, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
Regardless how one might feel towards Lawrence of Arabia, clocking at a whopping 3 hours and 48 minutes, that was a movie where its intermission was truly justified!
Agreed. I'm not knocking intermissions. I remember as a kid seeing long epics requiring an intermission. The film always felt more like an event.....not sure if that describes it properly......than just watching a movie.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Oct 08, 2018, 10:38:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 08, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
Regardless how one might feel towards Lawrence of Arabia, clocking at a whopping 3 hours and 48 minutes, that was a movie where its intermission was truly justified!
Agreed. I'm not knocking intermissions. I remember as a kid seeing long epics requiring an intermission. The film always felt more like an event.....not sure if that describes it properly......than just watching a movie.
That describes it quite well.
Would agree too. I remember a lot of older movie musicals having intermissions included in the films, but they usually only lasted several minutes. Not 10/15 like the stage versions.
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 08, 2018, 10:50:19 PM
That describes it quite well.
Cool. I remember my parents taking us out to the lobby and I would listen closely to them discussing the film with other adults. It inspired me to be more attentive and focused on the film. And the theaters were a true wonder for a kid. This was back in the day when theaters had regal decor like a royal mansion instead of today's multiplex cookie cutter corporate decor.
This film absolutely sucked. It completely made the Predators as a whole completely laughable as a threat now, with any mystery to them now completely gone. The whole subplot of them wanting autism DNA because it will make them smarter was f**king stupid. That's not what autism does. Not everyone with autism is Rain Man. The bigger Predator could have been interesting if they played their cards right as a rogue mutant hunting other Predators and was the actual criminal. Every single character Shane Black made here was like he took the small scenes of banter from the first movie and decided that should just be how everyone talks the whole movie. Just constant shitty jokes one after the other with no real sense of fear or tension when they're up against this unstoppable hunter. Even the villain of the movie is making stupid jokes calling them Predators because it sounds cool. I hate to say it but at least when it came to the bad movies like AVPR the Predators were treated seriously and people were actually afraid of them.
The dogs were the worst part of the movie and just came off as another annoying piece of CGI wiggling all over the screen left over from the Star Wars prequels. We had dogs in the last movie, and despite them not needed there they looked better and were handled with more tact. The biggest thing this movie lacked was suspense. When everyone is constantly chasing after the monster and not away from it, it makes the Predator look like a big pussy.
I will take away from this that the movie had one good scene. When the Predator wakes up and murders everyone in the base.
Remove the kid, remove the humor, remove the dogs, restructure the story of the mutant Predator, change the ending, and f**king remove the autism plot.
2/5
And remove shane black...
Im totally agree, predator had some jokes, but they fit, and feel natural, this movie is joke after joke..
Quote from: genocyber on Oct 12, 2018, 06:52:11 PM
This film absolutely sucked.
Sums it up rather nicely.
Quote from: genocyber on Oct 12, 2018, 06:52:11 PM
The dogs were the worst part of the movie and just came off as another annoying piece of CGI wiggling all over the screen left over from the Star Wars prequels. We had dogs in the last movie, and despite them not needed there they looked better and were handled with more tact.
The dogs were pretty silly in Predators. If they are worse in The Predator....well that's not a good sign.
Quote from: genocyber on Oct 12, 2018, 06:52:11 PM
This film absolutely sucked. It completely made the Predators as a whole completely laughable as a threat now, with any mystery to them now completely gone. The whole subplot of them wanting autism DNA because it will make them smarter was f**king stupid. That's not what autism does. Not everyone with autism is Rain Man. The bigger Predator could have been interesting if they played their cards right as a rogue mutant hunting other Predators and was the actual criminal. Every single character Shane Black made here was like he took the small scenes of banter from the first movie and decided that should just be how everyone talks the whole movie. Just constant shitty jokes one after the other with no real sense of fear or tension when they're up against this unstoppable hunter. Even the villain of the movie is making stupid jokes calling them Predators because it sounds cool. I hate to say it but at least when it came to the bad movies like AVPR the Predators were treated seriously and people were actually afraid of them.
The dogs were the worst part of the movie and just came off as another annoying piece of CGI wiggling all over the screen left over from the Star Wars prequels. We had dogs in the last movie, and despite them not needed there they looked better and were handled with more tact. The biggest thing this movie lacked was suspense. When everyone is constantly chasing after the monster and not away from it, it makes the Predator look like a big pussy.
I will take away from this that the movie had one good scene. When the Predator wakes up and murders everyone in the base.
Remove the kid, remove the humor, remove the dogs, restructure the story of the mutant Predator, change the ending, and f**king remove the autism plot.
2/5
I absolutely agree! The best thing about his movie for me was the fugitive Predator and the upgrade to his armor. After he was killed off I completely lost interest in the rest of the movie.
So I just watched this - Wow. I can't even vote in the poll - there's no - feels like I was on drugs option.
I feel like the same feeling when I found KFC made a burger that was made with two zinger buggers instead of bread and had bacon in the middle. - Surely this can't be real I said, that's crazy, they wouldn't do that. No this is actually real lol.
I was kinda diggin it til the main Pred got his head ripped off. Then my body passed into the 7th Dimension after that and the movie somehow put me on an Acid trip for the last 40 minutes.
My rating - Probably a blast at a house party with a carton of craft beer and 8 mates pretending to be Predators and Aliens.
Quote from: Highland on Oct 18, 2018, 09:52:51 AM
I was kinda diggin it til the main Pred got his head ripped off. Then my body passed into the 7th Dimension after that and the movie somehow put me on an Acid trip for the last 40 minutes.
Wow. lol. All for the price of a movie ticket!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 18, 2018, 12:24:36 PM
Quote from: Highland on Oct 18, 2018, 09:52:51 AM
I was kinda diggin it til the main Pred got his head ripped off. Then my body passed into the 7th Dimension after that and the movie somehow put me on an Acid trip for the last 40 minutes.
Wow. lol. All for the price of a movie ticket!
True story. I was thinking for the first 40 minutes - You know what the guys on AVP galaxy went a bit over the top, the jokes are not that bad, the kid is ok, the Predator is pretty cool, I like what he did there, I might like this.
Last 40 minutes - WTF is happening, is this even a movie, how'd he get tied up, where's he came from, WTF, stop telling Jokes!!!
Spoiler
Honestly I didn't even mind the ending because at that point my brain having witnessed two dudes killing each other at the same time, a guy blowing his own head off ( is that what happened there?) , a Predator giving out instructions on a TV, dudes shooting down a Predator ship with machine guns, a guy killing the predator with it's own arm ( honestly I'm laughing typing this)......
Once the last scene hit the whacky Predator suit seemed normal. I fully expected a black goo Alien Predator Terminator hybrid to jump out with Captain America's shield on.
And dont forget that the predator, a specie that has some honor code, that dont kill kids, pregnan woman, unarmen and sick people, now wants as a trophy an unarmed kid with mental disorders.
This movie is diahrrea
Quote from: Nathsp on Oct 18, 2018, 02:58:40 PMAnd dont forget that the predator, a specie that has some honor code, that dont kill kids, pregnan woman, unarmen and sick people, now wants as a trophy an unarmed kid with mental disorders.
Who says every single Predator has the same values?
In fact, it would be pretty silly and unrealistic to suggest they do.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 18, 2018, 03:05:13 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Oct 18, 2018, 02:58:40 PMAnd dont forget that the predator, a specie that has some honor code, that dont kill kids, pregnan woman, unarmen and sick people, now wants as a trophy an unarmed kid with mental disorders.
Who says every single Predator has the same values?
In fact, it would be pretty silly and unrealistic to suggest they do.
They showed a code in every movie, even in avp, in the predator they say they are all in the same boat, it doesnt have any sense
And he say, he will be my trophy, so the upgrade predator, the great assasin, will return to pred planet with a kid with mental disorders, such a legendary warrior.
Quote from: Highland on Oct 18, 2018, 01:09:01 PM
True story. I was thinking for the first 40 minutes - You know what the guys on AVP galaxy went a bit over the top, the jokes are not that bad, the kid is ok, the Predator is pretty cool, I like what he did there, I might like this.
Last 40 minutes - WTF is happening, is this even a movie, how'd he get tied up, where's he came from, WTF, stop telling Jokes!!!
Ha, in the last 40 minutes, you were Shane-boozled, hurdled into a dizzy stupor of reshoot wtf mayhem!
Your experience seems to match the general consensus, where viewers are having a good time with it, only to feel it falls appart in the last third of the movie. While I came away having a crazy good time with it, I can easily recognize the madness. ;D
All I wonder now is, how well will it ultimately fare with repeat viewings?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 18, 2018, 03:05:13 PM
Who says every single Predator has the same values?
In fact, it would be pretty silly and unrealistic to suggest they do.
I wholeheartedly agree good sir!
Quote from: Nathsp on Oct 18, 2018, 03:09:08 PMThey showed a code in every movie, even in avp, in the predator they say they are all in the same boat, it doesnt have any sense
And the Predators in those films constitute, what, a dozen individuals out of a race of presumably millions?
The idea that every single member of their race conforms to the exact same code is frankly ridiculous. How many people on Earth follow the same values? How many people
in a single city?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 18, 2018, 03:21:34 PM
Quote from: Highland on Oct 18, 2018, 01:09:01 PM
True story. I was thinking for the first 40 minutes - You know what the guys on AVP galaxy went a bit over the top, the jokes are not that bad, the kid is ok, the Predator is pretty cool, I like what he did there, I might like this.
Last 40 minutes - WTF is happening, is this even a movie, how'd he get tied up, where's he came from, WTF, stop telling Jokes!!!
Ha, in the last 40 minutes, you were Shane-boozled, hurdled into a dizzy stupor of reshoot wtf mayhem!
Your experience seems to match the general consensus, where viewers are having a good time with it, only to feel it falls appart in the last third of the movie. While I came away having a crazy good time with it, I can easily recognize the madness. ;D
All I wonder now is, how well will it ultimately fare with repeat viewings?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 18, 2018, 03:05:13 PM
Who says every single Predator has the same values?
In fact, it would be pretty silly and unrealistic to suggest they do.
I wholeheartedly agree good sir!
Once was enough for me. I don't think I can sit thru that again....Then again I might do it for the uncut version.
@CityhunterinPhilly
Eagles Fan?
That was a mess of an edit.
Can't even properly judge the film because it still has a lot of edit issues, like they rushed it last minute to be released.
Not impressed by it, I don't like the new choice.
Still don't understand this obsession with "super / upgrade" predator like the audience want to see tougher action monsters...
The script at its core sounds like a kid fan fiction, the execution is okay I guess.
1 for the effort, rated r for requiem level.
Of course they all not do the same, but most of them seems so, at least in the comics in movies, so i expect that a predator sended by the predator race in a mision, becuse in the movie they put jungle junter and city in the same package dna shit, are going to have the same code, in fact thats one of the things that make the creature great.
But lets say it doesnt have any code, what kind of trophy is a kid, why he didnt kill him?
Plot convenience, and the stupid surprise of noo, its the kid not the father, and yeah kids with mental disorders can be value.
This is not the movie to do so, and more if he lost his discapacity after 5 minutes of the movie.
I respect you like it, but you are defending things that has no sense. I even enjoy some parts of avpr, but the movie is a pile of shit.
Yeah I don't mind the lore thing, I actually sort of dug that the Predators seemed to have thoughts and different plans. Like they weren't just killing shit.
Well untill the last 40 minutes lol
Quote from: Highland on Oct 18, 2018, 11:23:24 PM
Yeah I don't mind the lore thing, I actually sort of dug that the Predators seemed to have thoughts and different plans. Like they weren't just killing shit.
Well untill the last 40 minutes lol
Yeah, to think all the entire species does is sleep, eat and hunt is such a narrow view imo.
I was hypothesizing two rival Predator clans, one traditionalists that believe in the old ways, the honor of the hunt, the purity of their being versus the modernists that discard the traditional beliefs, reject the moral principles, improve their physicality and dominance anyway possible, and do not respect their prey or code against instinction. And I saw the Fugitive Predator as part of this modernist clan, who had second thoughts / belief they were going too far, and defected.
It's the way it makes sense to me, at least until as you say, those last 40 minutes ;)
Seeing how it all ended I think I would have actually preferred the Predators in Combat pants version. The whole Forrest piece was a fan film. Even looked like a fan film. Maybe they will release a The Predator " Ultimate Predator of Predators" version on Blu Ray with the normal ending.
Also on that, I kinda didn't like the jumps in conclusions the chick made, then we are all calling them Predators. It's like we passed the fourth wall. One of the main characters turning to the screen and saying "what do you mother f**kers at home think" wouldn't have been out of place.
Quote from: Highland on Oct 18, 2018, 09:52:51 AM
I feel like the same feeling when I found KFC made a burger that was made with two zinger buggers instead of bread and had bacon in the middle. - Surely this can't be real I said, that's crazy, they wouldn't do that. No this is actually real lol.
Best. Review. Ever.
Quick question, was the preds wrist weapons alterable at will ? I mean both preds fire different things randomly, mini shurikens, straight bladed projectiles... Also infinite ammo it seems :laugh:
I went to see it for a second time in the theater yesterday after seeing it first on opening night with a solid 4 weeks of terrible reviews in between and really it was much better the second time around to me, I'll admit that it was a letdown as a whole after 4 years of anticipation of a "big budget" Predator film. I'm interested in how long it will be before we hear anything from Shane or studio big wigs about the future or lack thereof this franchise . I also found Covenant and The Last Jedi better the second time around
I really liked it the second time around, but still think it is a series of poor choices as a sequel.
Had they had the Fugitive vs Assassin fight as described by the suit actors (great podcast btw) and also the Emmisaries/convoy scenes included perhaps Predator fans would've scored it higher...maybe not but the general public wouldn't have cared. I can't help but think the casting controversy really hurt this film.
Seriously ? The first leak of the emissaries caused one of the biggest fan uproar about this film...
I'm sure they wouldn't have been flashing peace signs ;D
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Oct 26, 2018, 10:05:58 PM
I'm sure they wouldn't have been flashing peace signs ;D
But they would have worn classy camo pants :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 26, 2018, 09:56:01 PM
Seriously ? The first leak of the emissaries caused one of the biggest fan uproar about this film...
Equal to or less than the now infamous "modeling" pic from the new terminator?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 26, 2018, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Oct 26, 2018, 10:05:58 PM
I'm sure they wouldn't have been flashing peace signs ;D
But they would have worn classy camo pants :laugh:
I suppose being an intergalactic serial killer turned traitor, should not disqualify one from maintaining a sense of fashion while in combat.
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Seriously ? The first leak of the emissaries caused one of the biggest fan uproar about this film...
Equal to or less than the now infamous "modeling" pic from the new terminator?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 26, 2018, 10:29:46 PM
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Oct 26, 2018, 10:05:58 PM
I'm sure they wouldn't have been flashing peace signs ;D
But they would have worn classy camo pants :laugh:
I suppose being an intergalactic serial killer turned traitor, should not disqualify one from maintaining a sense of fashion while in combat.
Maybe equal, i'm not sure yet !
Camouflage loin cloth anyone?
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Oct 26, 2018, 11:09:14 PM
Camouflage loin cloth anyone?
It depends. What's the pattern? ;D
The movie was ok i guess, leaning to the negative. 4 out of 10 if i had to put it in numbers.
Liked some stuff, did not like other stuff. More of it in the "did not like" category than in the "like" category.
Considering the production history of the movie i was suprised that it did not totally blow.
I guess the fact that i did not have any expectations helped a lot. I never thought we would get a really great predator movie or even a good one, so when the movie came out, i was not that dissapointed.
I can understand people hating it when they are more invested in the extended universe lore of the predator though.
Actually, you only needed to be invested in the first two to not like this film. They broke with tradition with the intention of offering different, not better.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 29, 2018, 11:28:55 AM
Actually, you only needed to be invested in the first two to not like this film. They broke with tradition with the intention of offering different, not better.
It is for sure a subpar sequel and does not hold a candle to the first two, or even the to Predators imo .I also think that they tried different and failed.
But was there this much explored from a lore perspective in the first two movies ? It has been a while, but i don't think there was much background information that the new one would be able to contradict.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 26, 2018, 09:56:01 PMSeriously ? The first leak of the emissaries caused one of the biggest fan uproar about this film...
Which I really don't get.
These people who'll lose their shit just because *gasp* some Predators might find reason to forge a convenient alliance with humans just sound incredibly narrow-minded to me.
Did the human-Predator alliance work in
AVP? Not really. Does that men the concept as a whole is trash? Of course not.
I actually kinda liked the idea of some Predators being so against what the Upgrade was doing that they were willing to work
with us to stop it - ironically, it feels like that would have painted those members of the species as being more in line with the noble Predator concept that these same fans seemingly treasure so much in the previous films. Sadly it seems the entire idea was killed by the rage from that minority. And boy did the resultant reworking hurt the film in the end.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 29, 2018, 11:36:06 AM
These people who'll lose their shit just because *gasp* some Predators might find reason to forge a convenient alliance with humans just sound incredibly narrow-minded to me.
I don't even think it was that. I think it was them wearing human camouflage. Which I think it really easy enough to rationalise.
Just from the perspective of identifying them to our own people, it makes absolute sense. "Don't shoot the ones wearing clothes, they're on our side."
If you want to take "Predator" totally seriously, it's a mistake to humanise and rationalize their motivations.
That said;
Predator's better when it's tongue in cheek anyway.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 29, 2018, 11:36:06 AM
These people who'll lose their shit just because *gasp* some Predators might find reason to forge a convenient alliance with humans just sound incredibly narrow-minded to me.
I don't even think it was that. I think it was them wearing human camouflage. Which I think it really easy enough to rationalise.
That's what I gather was the reason behind a lot of the uproar, which I thought was kind of weird. (Like, of all the things to possibly take issue with, that's the chief concern?) I took issue with the emissaries, but it was more from how they were written as fodder. Killing off captured was enough for me.
I don't believe the friendly preds would have saved this movie anyway. The awful script plus the hideous editing gave the fatal wound. I wasn't a big fan of the pants but that was the least of the movie's many problems.
As said before, my problem wasn't even the presence of humor, but the timing and usage of it. Joke all you want, it fits well in a Predator and Aliens movie, but when the predator arrives, you better make him feel scary. The last three movies did that for me. Hell, even the AvPs did it better for me than this one. Fugitive was almost there but they scraped that for a cheap comedy with Upgrade and the Loonies.
The thing that would've saved this movie would've been an extremely edited and altered script.
Maybe the pants thing could have turned okay, like fugitive using a human rifle when he escapes, it was great ! And believe me i was skeptical about the idea at first.
I think it's more of a symbolic thing overall, it hurts a lot of people to see their beloved creature (and i don't write this in an ironic way) dressed like a human soldier, whatever the reason might be, i totally get that feeling.
You could have done a difference without the pants. Why does a predator need Camo pants - think about it.
Anderson had the right idea with the team up. It's funny, looking back AVP was like finding out Santa wasn't real. Then 10 years later it's probably still the best attempt at something different and we are now burried 3 levels deeper than that movie.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 01, 2018, 12:43:33 AM
Why does a predator need Camo pants - think about it.
The mind of the killer. Hide in plain sight.
That, and the whole "ambient light" thing is so last season.
Maybe they got tired of running around in speedos and decided to wear actual clothes.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Nov 01, 2018, 02:22:38 AM
Maybe they got tired of running around in speedos and decided to wear actual clothes.
Fishnets will never die.
Pockets for its cigarettes maybe. Also boots or no boots?
Everything was running fine all the way to the lab scene. Then it turned worse after fugitive escapes. I still like this movie better than Predators and the Avp movies.
Just rewatched it since seeing it in the cinema when it was first released. I think I originally give it a 6 or 7 out of 10 back then. Now I'm giving it a 4 out of 10, what a pile of shit.
Lol, that escalated quickly :D
Quote from: Kimo on Nov 10, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
Just rewatched it since seeing it in the cinema when it was first released. I think I originally give it a 6 or 7 out of 10 back then. Now I'm giving it a 4 out of 10, what a pile of shit.
I really had it the other way around.
Only seen about 45mins of it but one thing I can say for certain is that the pacing of the film is utterly f**king dreadful. Bordering on the bizarre, even.
The introductions of Munn's and Tremblay's characters are the biggest culprits of shoddy editing I've seen so far.
In the case of Munn, I appreciate the decision to edit that scene (a decision I fully support) is a mitigating circumstance. But there's been zero attempt made to even ease her character in. She just appears on-screen with a face like a smacked arse and is immeditely taken by the MIB. Then "cut to dog". A dog we never even knew she had but we're to assume she's at a dog park as we see a pit bull sniff the arse of another breed for a split second prior.
Tremblay's intro is equally as stunted. Cut to chess club and a kid overseeing multiple games of chess -
"but, wait; weren't we just in the jungle? Or watching some dogs sniff each others' tail pipes?"
"Shush! And have some borderline on the nose autistic tics while you're at it"
"Oh, okay"
Very, very poor, that and can be easily construed as insensitive if viewed in a particular light.
I read the leaked script a few months ago and, while I wasn't a fan at all, I remember it being well-paced. It was the one stand out element of it, in fact.
The CGI is just f**king woeful in parts as well. The morhership reflected in the windscreen of the loony bus looked poor but would need a second viewing.
And the blood dripping onto the pred's face at the beginning was like the opening crawl of Daredevil, FFS.
The needle during the upgrading flashback was just painful to watch as well. Not because it was being injected into a Pred's forehead; but because it was so dreadfully shit it looked like someone was just lowering a digitally drawn needle in by hand.
This is without even touching on the shitshow that is the story.
The good parts are Captured and some of the interplay with the loonies.
Think there was potential for a nice set piece or two when the Ark/mothership shows up and Munn is giving chase on the structure over the dam, was it?
So far, though, the whole thing stinks of studio interference. It's haphazard, the story is shit and a lot of the visuals are lacklustre. Unfortunately, it's watchable dross. Barely.
Quote from: Kimo on Nov 10, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
Just rewatched it since seeing it in the cinema when it was first released. I think I originally give it a 6 or 7 out of 10 back then. Now I'm giving it a 4 out of 10, what a pile of shit.
I feel the same way. I actually had a good time watching it at the theatre and I enjoyed it (minus the stupid Predator Killer ending of course), but now I find myself really detesting this movie. I wish I could change my vote.
Agreed.
I think the second time I watch this the nostalgia will have worn off and I will be like oh shit. I enjoyed it in the cinema but I think I will be looking at it from a different angle second time round. It's sad. What could have been. You have to give it to Fox they really know how to f**k something up. This was my thoughts during the cinema experience.
Start- with the predator ships. Okay have I walked in the right movie.
Hero using predator camouflage- Um weird.
30 minutes in-It's not too bad.
Lab break out- f**k that was pretty good.
Fugitive killed-Well that sucks
The heroes on top of the Predator ship as it's flying-Fun but absurd.
End scene-WTF
Quote from: Billiken on Nov 20, 2018, 12:13:43 PM
I think the second time I watch this the nostalgia will have worn off and I will be like oh shit. I enjoyed it in the cinema but I think I will be looking at it from a different angle second time round. It's sad. What could have been. You have to give it to Fox they really know how to f**k something up. This was my thoughts during the cinema experience.
Start- with the predator ships. Okay have I walked in the right movie.
Hero using predator camouflage- Um weird.
30 minutes in-It's not too bad.
Lab break out- f**k that was pretty good.
Fugitive killed-Well that sucks
The heroes on top of the Predator ship as it's flying-Fun but absurd.
End scene-WTF
I'm really hopeful I enjoy "The Predator" more with repeat viewings. I did enjoy it in the theater too, but admittedly set a low bar and pretty much turned my brain off.
The scenes I had real fun with was the Fugitive breaking out of the lab, Casey waking up in the hotel room, almost every freaking scene Sterling K. Brown was in, the Super Upgrade's attack and hunt - using that razor line to decapitate those poor soldiers, oh man! The ark itself, and the crazy ship riding. And the cloak/shield. I like how Quinn went high, Nebraska went low and Neddles got it through the knees... while later the Predator got it through the arm.
All in all, even though it's not a great film, I do think/hope I'll be able to continually have fun with it.
One thing I actually really liked which hasn't been touched on (as far as I can tell) is the "weapons down" signal from captured to the loonies.
In terms of "what's right" in the traditional lore, I'm sure Captured's jokey/jovial nature won't go down well with the purists; but I thought Captured was the best thing about the film. I can appreciate why he was despatched so quickly to make Upgrade look even more menacing etc. But in the grand scheme of things, it was a shocking way to get rid of the best pred we've had since Jungle Hunter.
Being brutally honest, I lost all interest after Captured was killed. I'd read the script and spoilers the internet over so I knew what Inwas in for anyway, TBF; but once captured was gone I was just "meh".
Really am gutted at how this ended up.
Finally watched it.
Was bad. :-X
It was better than AvPR I guess.
Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.
This movie just ruins everything that comes before it retroactively. In addition, they completely erode the suspension of disbelief with about every other scene in this movie. The humor in this movie was so off-putting and outright inappropriate for what was going on at the time. In words of Gordon Ramsay, "fusion confusion" was the culprit here. The tones were beyond fudged up. The pacing was like the wine bottle scene from Pan's Labyrinth...
This movie retroactively changed the entire lore of the Predators, changing the reason they collect skulls. They aren't for trophies! (despite having a trophy wall in Predator 2*). Oh no! Now we're upgrading with DNA spinal juice to turn Yautja into a 10 foot tall CGI monstrosity. The Predator isn't a super big threat anymore...it's become a parody of itself. We are now legitimately breaking the 4th wall and calling the Predator a Predator. Making jokes about the creature in cringey marvel copycat style. Remember the good old days when you saw a Yautja and were absolutely up a creek without a paddle? Pepperidge Farm remembers! Dutch, Billy, Mac, Anna, and the rest of the team just stared in horror and awe as a being that makes trophies of man kills the team off one by one.
While AVP makes people foam at the mouth - the first movie shows these alien hunters as honor-bound, trophy collecting warrior hunters. The fact that they have been changed into DNA modifying space invaders (global warming subplot) has betrayed the source material to the highest order.
They didn't make this as being a small faction in the movie - they had the Assassin Predator (who was tracking/hunting Fugitive Predator) talk to the other Predators by saying he was hunting "the traitor." It is assumed that this is the new norm now with the movie.
Why would a Predator "betray" their race? I understand the concept of bad bloods, but this is much different. If Fugitive came to earth to help us - why the hell does he cut down every single human he comes in contact with for the majority of his screen time? Armed base troopers, unarmed scientists, etc. Nobody is safe except naked and unarmed Olivia Munn. At least they got that right. Christ.
The Predator. The fracking Predator. Kills a whole truck filled with MIB mercenary soldiers and cuts them to ribbons. He picks up a dismembered arm and poses the thumb into a "thumps up" gesture and pushes it into the driver cabin. The driver in turn buys it after hearing screams and wanton slaughter of his fellow soldiers. Again...somebody was paid to write this. I shit you not. You might think I'm joking. But I'm not. Why? Would the Predator bother? Did Jungle Hunter put Columbian militia uniforms to hunt Dutch and his team? No! Who. Wrote. This!?!
How does autism (ASD withstanding) count as a survival trait that Predators would want? The hell? Predators are already masters of technology - they have successfully folded space to travel giant distances in short periods of time, have plasma laser guns, and cloaking technology. Who wrote this?!
And the cringetastic "#^$* me with an aardvark!" every other scene. So now we're going to parody tourettes on top of autism.
Why does a nailgun shot to the head rewire how Predoggos work? Suddenly it's not hostile anymore? It's a derpy friendly gear-barfing carrying case? I don't understand. Why? Who wrote this?
And what the heck was with Olivia Munn's character? I know she was trying hard, but she was no Ripley. She went from an academic scholar of science to a grenade-launcher shooting 80's commando! Where the heck was all the years of military training that she had between the start and end of the movie? Firearms training takes a great deal of skill and practice to master to become effective with any of those weapons. Keep in mind - this is the same character from earlier in the movie, who shot herself in the foot with a tranquilizer gun and tried to shoot our heroes with a gun she believed to be loaded. Let that sink in. Somebody wrote this. Somebody was paid to write this.
And the "predator killer" - dafaq? This whole concept was terribad. Because Black did Iron Man 3, he couldn't think of anything else besides an iron man suit knockoff? The CGI in this movie looked like B-movie quality for the majority. Especially in the 3rd act. Bleh. Practical > CGI. This was written like a 12 year olds fan fiction.
This movie only works if you are drunk, have never seen a Predator movie, and enjoy "kitty cat" jokes every five seconds. If you are looking for anything of substance from the prior movies... avoid at all costs. This is an unmitigated disaster of untold proportions. The box office has reflected this flop domestically.
Edit: the final stats are in. It's not pretty.
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Keep in mind with money-making as it comes to movies... I think it's something like 60% that goes to covering costs. After that, the rest goes to profit.
Finally saw this tonight. The first 40 minutes or so are ok but it goes straight to hell once the Predator dogs show up. The final scene is an embarrassment.
Just watch this for the first time today...it wasn't horrible but not great. If they would had not included the friendly pred dog, fix a few cgi moments and did not do that horrible credit scene then i think the movie would been a lil better.
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Quote from: Kimo on Nov 10, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
Just rewatched it since seeing it in the cinema when it was first released. I think I originally give it a 6 or 7 out of 10 back then. Now I'm giving it a 4 out of 10, what a pile of shit.
I feel the same way. I actually had a good time watching it at the theatre and I enjoyed it (minus the stupid Predator Killer ending of course), but now I find myself really detesting this movie. I wish I could change my vote.
I'm feeling the same. I have no desire to see it again.
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Just rewatched it since seeing it in the cinema when it was first released. I think I originally give it a 6 or 7 out of 10 back then. Now I'm giving it a 4 out of 10, what a pile of shit.
I feel the same way. I actually had a good time watching it at the theatre and I enjoyed it (minus the stupid Predator Killer ending of course), but now I find myself really detesting this movie. I wish I could change my vote.
I'm feeling the same. I have no desire to see it again.
While I still do get some enjoyment from "The Predator" (the first half mostly), I held the movie in higher regard too the first time I saw it... even above "Predators". But since I got a few more repeat viewings under my belt, it has dropped. :-\
But do I ever love all the Stargazer lab scenes! ;D
I just need the first two films. If the other Pred films vanished overnight I wouldn't really lose much sleep.
Hard to choose between "hated it", and "it sucked".
So I picked the lowest score option, and now say aloud
I hated it and it sucks.
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 31, 2018, 05:30:05 AM
Hard to choose between "hated it", and "it sucked".
So I picked the lowest score option, and now say aloud
I hated it and it sucks.
[insert eyeroll gif that I'm not allowed to post anymore here]
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Hard to choose between "hated it", and "it sucked".
So I picked the lowest score option, and now say aloud
I hated it and it sucks.
[insert eyeroll gif that I'm not allowed to post anymore here]
I stand verm. I mean Firmillion. I mean...oh, screw it.
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Hard to choose between "hated it", and "it sucked".
So I picked the lowest score option, and now say aloud
I hated it and it sucks.
[insert eyeroll gif that I'm not allowed to post anymore here]
I stand verm. I mean Firmillion. I mean...oh, screw it.
Oh, Lord, he musta pissed in your cranberry juice.
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Hard to choose between "hated it", and "it sucked".
So I picked the lowest score option, and now say aloud
I hated it and it sucks.
[insert eyeroll gif that I'm not allowed to post anymore here]
I stand verm. I mean Firmillion. I mean...oh, screw it.
Oh, Lord, he musta pissed in your cranberry juice.
That's just disgusting.
Who in their right mind would drink cranberry juice.
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Hard to choose between "hated it", and "it sucked".
So I picked the lowest score option, and now say aloud
I hated it and it sucks.
[insert eyeroll gif that I'm not allowed to post anymore here]
I stand verm. I mean Firmillion. I mean...oh, screw it.
Oh, Lord, he musta pissed in your cranberry juice.
That's just disgusting.
Who in their right mind would drink cranberry juice.
I do.
Not straight cranberry juice, but I do love Ocean Spray's cranberry-raspberry blend.
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Hard to choose between "hated it", and "it sucked".
So I picked the lowest score option, and now say aloud
I hated it and it sucks.
[insert eyeroll gif that I'm not allowed to post anymore here]
I stand verm. I mean Firmillion. I mean...oh, screw it.
Oh, Lord, he musta pissed in your cranberry juice.
That's just disgusting.
Who in their right mind would drink cranberry juice.
I used to not care for it, but now I love it. It's my wine. Dark, smokey, and abrasive, yet supple. Like liquid velvet.
I finally watched it tonight.
It's not good. The cast is great, and they have genuine chemistry.
The problem is the plot. Specifically with this whole changing why they rip the spines out. The whole genetic modification was pretty much a bad idea. The pod at the end with the shitty cg mech suit was super garbage.
The thing i didn't like the most was this huge CG mega predator which dominated the 2nd half of the movie. The guy in the suit seemed to work just fine when it was the main bad guy. Especially at the beginning when mackenna saw it for the first time.
If the film was like Fugitive's breakout scene I would've been a happy camper. Straight up action without any pretentiousness. I don't think the fans would've camplained like they have.
Quote from: Huntsman on Jan 16, 2019, 04:11:38 AM
If the film was like Fugitive's breakout scene I would've been a happy camper. Straight up action without any pretentiousness. I don't think the fans would've camplained like they have.
Imagine the whole film was the Fugitive Predator trying to escape the Stargazer complex on lockdown, as the humans were trying to contain it / recapture it? #MissedOpportunity
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2019, 01:24:54 PM
Quote from: Huntsman on Jan 16, 2019, 04:11:38 AM
If the film was like Fugitive's breakout scene I would've been a happy camper. Straight up action without any pretentiousness. I don't think the fans would've camplained like they have.
Imagine the whole film was the Fugitive Predator trying to escape the Stargazer complex on lockdown, as the humans were trying to contain it / recapture it? #MissedOpportunity
Solid concept.
Quote from: Huntsman on Jan 16, 2019, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2019, 01:24:54 PM
Quote from: Huntsman on Jan 16, 2019, 04:11:38 AM
If the film was like Fugitive's breakout scene I would've been a happy camper. Straight up action without any pretentiousness. I don't think the fans would've camplained like they have.
Imagine the whole film was the Fugitive Predator trying to escape the Stargazer complex on lockdown, as the humans were trying to contain it / recapture it? #MissedOpportunity
Solid concept.
Scond that.
Maybe have them catch him for the first part of the movie first. You could take some of Predator Hunters concepts like a crack team of survivors of previous Predator encounters.
IMO if you just switch around the hunter/prey relationship to prepared humans hunting a single unaware Predator, that would be enough fresh blood in the movie without resorting to genetic manipulation\world invasion or friendly Predators.
Indeed. The hunter on the back foot, having to improvise his way out, WITHOUT his equipment, which he slowly gathers as the film progresses. Die Hard, Predator style.
Watched the movie again for the first time since the theater. As I predicted, I didn't really like it this time. I had trouble staying awake during the final act. I asked myself to pay attention to when the movie would first lose me, and it happened as soon as the sequence in which Rory's first introduced. That portion of the movie simply doesn't feel like a Predator film, and that type of tone is replicated enough that everything is defamiliarized and feels foreign to the franchise. Honestly, as soon as the opening shot with the spaceships chasing each other, you may be able to argue that the tone of the franchise has been violated.
It's not going to age well. The meta jokes are funny I think; they make me laugh. The problem is, they're not going to work 20 years from now. There's even a dated reference to the #NotMyPresident hashtag and I think someone says #NotMySpaceAlien or something. It won't hold up years from now.
Mostly I was just kind of perplexed at the film's ongoing theme of mental illness, mental disability, post traumatic stress, etc. It pops up throughout:
- Rory's autism serving as a major occasion for the plot and his characterization, while also being the butt of jokes. Even Casey at some point yells at McKenna to "stop this kid's psychosis," or something else really insensitive for an intellectually inclined character. There's plenty more to go with this that has been discussed already, but on this viewing, Casey's reaction to Rory stood out to me as icky.
- Again, Baxley's Tourette's syndrome is treated as the punchline of a joke, specifically in the scene with Casey in which, this is the first time it happens, she reacts to him in an incredibly insensitive and insulting way, when I'm still baffled by the lack of acknowledgement that Baxley suffers from this condition in any attempt to explain it to Casey. Nothing about this was funny. It was awkward and mean spirited.
- Overall, the treatment of the Loonies is misguided. It's essentially a group full of military veterans suffering from various degrees of PTSD. The thing is, they're portrayed as both harmless and also unstoppable. No, of course they wouldn't do anything to harm an unconscious Casey (as if no service-member has ever committed a sexual or other 'immoral' crime), but of course they each individually possess the ability to take down someone twice their size in a couple quick movements (Lynch is shown chopping down a big biker guy in a deleted scene). It was a really tone-deaf, insensitive, and potentially harmful way of representing the way that PTSD affects a victim and those in their life. Somehow these characters are so damaged as to be a danger to themselves and others, and yet they don't seem to need any help from anyone, ever.
- Unless I'm forgetting something, the 'icing on the cake' seems to be the Pred dog getting shot in the head and then tagging along enthusiastically with the protagonists as a result of brain damage. I'm not sure if anything was meant to be suggested by this plot point in the context of this running theme, but it's conspicuous nonetheless and functions as a further source of jokes about mentally disabled individuals.
Things I liked about the movie:
- Sterling K. Brown
- It still entertains me more than Predators, save for the lame final act which is boring. The Predator elicits more emotional responses from me and engages me more, regardless of whether it's doing so for good or bad reasons.
I guess i'm bit late with my opinion but i think that The Predator is good (not masterpiece) movie. Thanks to trailers i quickly got impression what i supposed to get so my expectations were not broken. I was ready that it would be film with a lot of comedy and trashy moments and i OK with it. I found that movie really fun and enjoyable and still get enjoyment rewatching it and it even grown for me . I love characters especially Coyle and Baxley and i was sad when they died. I have no problems with all this DNA stuff and think Upgrade was really badass predator and interesting new addition to lore. There were a few moments that i had problems with: too early death of Fugitive, idea of predator's invasion and obviously ending (it was really like a joke).
But anyway for me it was good enough movie but not "killer of franchise"
Caved in.
Picked it up on DVD.
Knew it was going to be bad, but honestly was not expecting it to be this bad.
I found Predators to be very dissapointing. .but this elevates it into a much higher position.
To those concerned:
Enough now....
Please just stop making more Aliens-Predator-Terminator and Robocop films
Each new instalment manages to surpass the awfulness of the one before it.
It's just wretched watching director after director trying to capture what made the originals so special.
Quote from: lost dragon on Feb 13, 2019, 09:09:13 PM
Caved in.
Picked it up on DVD.
Knew it was going to be bad, but honestly was not expecting it to be this bad.
I found Predators to be very dissapointing. .but this elevates it into a much higher position.
To those concerned:
Enough now....
Please just stop making more Aliens-Predator-Terminator and Robocop films
Each new instalment manages to surpass the awfulness of the one before it.
It's just wretched watching director after director trying to capture what made the originals so special.
Aha! The truth spreads like wildfire.
Negativity ≠ Truth.
It's totally the truth.
No, there's potential yet in Alien and Predator.
Alien, infinite potential.
Predator, not really in film IMO- as in most cases that's just going to be rehashing the first in a different environment, because the Predator has no "universe" to grow in. Videogames (That will sadly never be made) and hyper violent, mature, Euro comic, Jean Giraud style comics.
Terminator has room for one good Future-War film. IMO
RoboCop? ...Perhaps?
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 14, 2019, 12:39:18 AM
It's totally the truth.
Additionally, the Alien/Predator films have not been
just going downhill.
Predators is a marked improvement upon AVP and AVPR.
Prometheus is a marked improvement upon AVP and AVPR.
Alien Covenant is a marked improvement upon AVP, AVPR, AR and Prometheus.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 12:45:20 AM
No, there's potential yet in Alien and Predator.
Alien, infinite potential
Predator, not really in film IMO- as in most cases that's just going to be rehashing the first in a different environment, because the Predator has no "universe" to grow in. Videogames (That will sadly never be made) and hyper violent, mature, Euro comic, Jean Giraud style comics.
Terminator has room for one good Future-War film. IMO
RoboCop? ...Perhaps?
Even if it's on the small screen, I'm hoping I can do a
small part in changing that.
I hope so.
Quote from: lost dragon on Feb 13, 2019, 09:09:13 PM
I found Predators to be very dissapointing. .but this elevates it into a much higher position.
That's seems to be the pattern every time something new gets released, well mostly.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 14, 2019, 01:09:45 AM
Quote from: lost dragon on Feb 13, 2019, 09:09:13 PM
I found Predators to be very dissapointing. .but this elevates it into a much higher position.
That's seems to be the pattern every time something new gets released, well mostly.
They mostly stink when new, mostly.
David creating the Alien. Predators and human dna.
How much of the general casual movie going public, is less of a fan today of Alien and Predator, thanks to Alien Covenant and The Predator?
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I'm fast approaching my late 40's..
My early teenage years, memories wise, start with a mates dad having a pirate copy of Aliens:S.E on VHS tape and then nobody and i mean nobody beliving me for years after when i talked about the missing content from the commercial home release.
I remember being in awe of my mate who had seen Predator a few days ahead of me, describe in great detail how a lone, invisible Alien had like literally wiped out most of the most bad assed dudes, 1 packing a fecking mini gun no less..like they were children.
Mates and myself would endlessly quote 1 liners from Aliens. .Terminator and Robocop ...
Clarance B from Robocop was just a god send. ..Can You Fly Bobby?.
These glory days just are not coming back are they?.
Studio interference. .
Lower age ratings for mass markets..
Merchandise lines...
You name it.
Yes..there's huge potential for THE Future War set Terminator that was hinted at in the original but Salvation was not the film i wanted.
So much could be done still with a new Alien movie ..ditto a Predator movie.
But nothing i have seen in so many years gives me any indication it's ever going to happen.
The family market hurt the art more than anything. Imagine what fallen Kingdom , the meg , the predator, etc. would've been like 20 years ago. It's a shame , the kids can survive with animated movies and the Marvel films. Can we not get some more big-budget horror here?
Today, I had the opportunity of watching a fanedit of The Predator.
After watching this cut, I really wish it was the version released. It removed roughly 35 mins of the movie. And the story was leaner and more Predator in tone.
Fanedit Score: 8.5 out of 10.
Original Score: 6 out of 10.
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Today, I had the opportunity of watching a fanedit of The Predator.
After watching this cut, I really wish it was the version released. It removed roughly 35 mins of the movie. And the story was leaner and more Predator in tone.
Fanedit Score: 8.5 out of 10.
Original Score: 6 out of 10.
So what were some of the things that were cut out?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2019, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Today, I had the opportunity of watching a fanedit of The Predator.
After watching this cut, I really wish it was the version released. It removed roughly 35 mins of the movie. And the story was leaner and more Predator in tone.
Fanedit Score: 8.5 out of 10.
Original Score: 6 out of 10.
So what were some of the things that were cut out?
No more Predator dog turning on the Uber-Predator. (This was an issue that quite a few people had regarding the theatrical version. It felt very un-needed.)
The introduction of Olivia Munn's character at the dog park has been removed. We are introduced to her as she arrives at Project Stargazer. This is how it should have been.
The first contact scene between McKenna and the Predator in Mexico is now treated as a flashback on the bus.
The previous change now allows the film to hit the ground running as we see McKenna arrive at the local bar in Mexico asking the bartender to mail the contents of his backpack.
A lot of the scenes involving McKenna's son have been removed. Actually, McKenna's family fall to the side a bit. However, this strengthens the time that we are given with those characters.
A few of the scenes have been rearranged as well allowing the film to move more smoothly.
A lot of those changes were able to help the film find a tone that was closer to the other films. Which was fantastic.
Link, please?
PM sent.
Thank you ;)
Me too :) Going to watch it right now.
PM sent.
Honestly, i was not able to watch it because my tablet couldn't handle it (DAMMIT!). But from what you wrote i think it's better cut than original one.
I'd also appreciate a link.
Rewatched, 1/5.
Worthless.
Not enough good stuff to be worth it,
not enough bad stuff to be curious.
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2019, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Today, I had the opportunity of watching a fanedit of The Predator.
After watching this cut, I really wish it was the version released. It removed roughly 35 mins of the movie. And the story was leaner and more Predator in tone.
Fanedit Score: 8.5 out of 10.
Original Score: 6 out of 10.
So what were some of the things that were cut out?
No more Predator dog turning on the Uber-Predator. (This was an issue that quite a few people had regarding the theatrical version. It felt very un-needed.)
The introduction of Olivia Munn's character at the dog park has been removed. We are introduced to her as she arrives at Project Stargazer. This is how it should have been.
The first contact scene between McKenna and the Predator in Mexico is now treated as a flashback on the bus.
The previous change now allows the film to hit the ground running as we see McKenna arrive at the local bar in Mexico asking the bartender to mail the contents of his backpack.
A lot of the scenes involving McKenna's son have been removed. Actually, McKenna's family fall to the side a bit. However, this strengthens the time that we are given with those characters.
A few of the scenes have been rearranged as well allowing the film to move more smoothly.
A lot of those changes were able to help the film find a tone that was closer to the other films. Which was fantastic.
Hmmm I like the sound of these changes, I'd like to see this as well!
Having viewed the DVD a few times now, I find myself griping over more things rather than enjoying the bits that I did find to be good. My last viewing I just shut the movie off after Fugitive was killed because thats where the film goes to shit. They needed to rewrite the script from the school on to the ending.
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 02:31:05 AM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2019, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Today, I had the opportunity of watching a fanedit of The Predator.
After watching this cut, I really wish it was the version released. It removed roughly 35 mins of the movie. And the story was leaner and more Predator in tone.
Fanedit Score: 8.5 out of 10.
Original Score: 6 out of 10.
So what were some of the things that were cut out?
No more Predator dog turning on the Uber-Predator. (This was an issue that quite a few people had regarding the theatrical version. It felt very un-needed.)
The introduction of Olivia Munn's character at the dog park has been removed. We are introduced to her as she arrives at Project Stargazer. This is how it should have been.
The first contact scene between McKenna and the Predator in Mexico is now treated as a flashback on the bus.
The previous change now allows the film to hit the ground running as we see McKenna arrive at the local bar in Mexico asking the bartender to mail the contents of his backpack.
A lot of the scenes involving McKenna's son have been removed. Actually, McKenna's family fall to the side a bit. However, this strengthens the time that we are given with those characters.
A few of the scenes have been rearranged as well allowing the film to move more smoothly.
A lot of those changes were able to help the film find a tone that was closer to the other films. Which was fantastic.
Hmmm I like the sound of these changes, I'd like to see this as well!
Having viewed the DVD a few times now, I find myself griping over more things rather than enjoying the bits that I did find to be good. My last viewing I just shut the movie off after Fugitive was killed because thats where the film goes to shit. They needed to rewrite the script from the school on to the ending.
Wait a second. Are you the same Predbabe from the predator ap?
Quote from: AhabPredator on Mar 17, 2019, 03:46:55 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 02:31:05 AM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2019, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Today, I had the opportunity of watching a fanedit of The Predator.
After watching this cut, I really wish it was the version released. It removed roughly 35 mins of the movie. And the story was leaner and more Predator in tone.
Fanedit Score: 8.5 out of 10.
Original Score: 6 out of 10.
So what were some of the things that were cut out?
No more Predator dog turning on the Uber-Predator. (This was an issue that quite a few people had regarding the theatrical version. It felt very un-needed.)
The introduction of Olivia Munn's character at the dog park has been removed. We are introduced to her as she arrives at Project Stargazer. This is how it should have been.
The first contact scene between McKenna and the Predator in Mexico is now treated as a flashback on the bus.
The previous change now allows the film to hit the ground running as we see McKenna arrive at the local bar in Mexico asking the bartender to mail the contents of his backpack.
A lot of the scenes involving McKenna's son have been removed. Actually, McKenna's family fall to the side a bit. However, this strengthens the time that we are given with those characters.
A few of the scenes have been rearranged as well allowing the film to move more smoothly.
A lot of those changes were able to help the film find a tone that was closer to the other films. Which was fantastic.
Hmmm I like the sound of these changes, I'd like to see this as well!
Having viewed the DVD a few times now, I find myself griping over more things rather than enjoying the bits that I did find to be good. My last viewing I just shut the movie off after Fugitive was killed because thats where the film goes to shit. They needed to rewrite the script from the school on to the ending.
Wait a second. Are you the same Predbabe from the predator ap?
Maaaaybe...
(https://i.imgur.com/kR1hPSw.gif)
;D
I'm on the ap, but I should probably particpate more.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2019, 03:16:48 PM
;D
I'm on the ap, but I should probably particpate more.
I'm more active there than here. :laugh:
Yeah, every now and then I venture on there and post. It's a fun place to make a quick post on randomness in regards to Predator.
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 10:57:38 PM
Yeah, every now and then I venture on there and post. It's a fun place to make a quick post on randomness in regards to Predator.
Still on to you and your pink and purple sparkly predator cosplay. You can't fool me! :laugh:
Oh but it appears I already have! ;D
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 17, 2019, 02:31:05 AM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2019, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Today, I had the opportunity of watching a fanedit of The Predator.
After watching this cut, I really wish it was the version released. It removed roughly 35 mins of the movie. And the story was leaner and more Predator in tone.
Fanedit Score: 8.5 out of 10.
Original Score: 6 out of 10.
So what were some of the things that were cut out?
No more Predator dog turning on the Uber-Predator. (This was an issue that quite a few people had regarding the theatrical version. It felt very un-needed.)
The introduction of Olivia Munn's character at the dog park has been removed. We are introduced to her as she arrives at Project Stargazer. This is how it should have been.
The first contact scene between McKenna and the Predator in Mexico is now treated as a flashback on the bus.
The previous change now allows the film to hit the ground running as we see McKenna arrive at the local bar in Mexico asking the bartender to mail the contents of his backpack.
A lot of the scenes involving McKenna's son have been removed. Actually, McKenna's family fall to the side a bit. However, this strengthens the time that we are given with those characters.
A few of the scenes have been rearranged as well allowing the film to move more smoothly.
A lot of those changes were able to help the film find a tone that was closer to the other films. Which was fantastic.
Hmmm I like the sound of these changes, I'd like to see this as well!
Having viewed the DVD a few times now, I find myself griping over more things rather than enjoying the bits that I did find to be good. My last viewing I just shut the movie off after Fugitive was killed because thats where the film goes to shit. They needed to rewrite the script from the school on to the ending.
Yeah, I think that about sums up my experience too. Once we reach the Fugitive's demise, the rest of the film loses all appeal :-\
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2019, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Today, I had the opportunity of watching a fanedit of The Predator.
After watching this cut, I really wish it was the version released. It removed roughly 35 mins of the movie. And the story was leaner and more Predator in tone.
Fanedit Score: 8.5 out of 10.
Original Score: 6 out of 10.
So what were some of the things that were cut out?
No more Predator dog turning on the Uber-Predator. (This was an issue that quite a few people had regarding the theatrical version. It felt very un-needed.)
The introduction of Olivia Munn's character at the dog park has been removed. We are introduced to her as she arrives at Project Stargazer. This is how it should have been.
The first contact scene between McKenna and the Predator in Mexico is now treated as a flashback on the bus.
The previous change now allows the film to hit the ground running as we see McKenna arrive at the local bar in Mexico asking the bartender to mail the contents of his backpack.
A lot of the scenes involving McKenna's son have been removed. Actually, McKenna's family fall to the side a bit. However, this strengthens the time that we are given with those characters.
A few of the scenes have been rearranged as well allowing the film to move more smoothly.
A lot of those changes were able to help the film find a tone that was closer to the other films. Which was fantastic.
lol the main thing about having Shane Black at the helm was that this movie was set to be different than the previous ones.
Really want to watch this fanedit now
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 26, 2019, 09:31:43 PM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2019, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 08, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Today, I had the opportunity of watching a fanedit of The Predator.
After watching this cut, I really wish it was the version released. It removed roughly 35 mins of the movie. And the story was leaner and more Predator in tone.
Fanedit Score: 8.5 out of 10.
Original Score: 6 out of 10.
So what were some of the things that were cut out?
No more Predator dog turning on the Uber-Predator. (This was an issue that quite a few people had regarding the theatrical version. It felt very un-needed.)
The introduction of Olivia Munn's character at the dog park has been removed. We are introduced to her as she arrives at Project Stargazer. This is how it should have been.
The first contact scene between McKenna and the Predator in Mexico is now treated as a flashback on the bus.
The previous change now allows the film to hit the ground running as we see McKenna arrive at the local bar in Mexico asking the bartender to mail the contents of his backpack.
A lot of the scenes involving McKenna's son have been removed. Actually, McKenna's family fall to the side a bit. However, this strengthens the time that we are given with those characters.
A few of the scenes have been rearranged as well allowing the film to move more smoothly.
A lot of those changes were able to help the film find a tone that was closer to the other films. Which was fantastic.
lol the main thing about having Shane Black at the helm was that this movie was set to be different than the previous ones.
And we still have not seen Shane Black's vision. That really upsets me.
I hate that Shane Black is judged on this film. Had we got his original intention and that had been crap then that's cool.
That would probably have been widely criticized as well, even though it would have been ballsy in an industry where it can't happen, which i can respect.
We don't know the studio politics behind The Predator, hard to say if it's Shane Black's fault or something else.
The script for his vision has done the rounds and it was not a significantly better story. It was just bad in different ways.
Yeah true, but i'd prefer to have seen his original take and then decided it was bad, rather than get the mish mash of bad
Aye, agreed,
Nah, I believe Fox cutting the Pred-Hybrid monkeys and spiders, and friendly smoking Crabators prevented a franchise killer.
As a Predator fan I'm relieved.
Just watched this all the way through. I thought it was pretty decent, just got clunky as buggery in the last 20-odd minutes or so.
One interesting and really anal thing though was the two pictures Olivia Munn looks at - neither appear to be from the first two films. The latitude and longitude indicate a location about 100 km north of Valparaiso in Chile in 1987 and Zihuatanejo, Mexico in 1990 (rather than LA 1997).
I really only enjoyed Fugitive and some of the banter. The rest was a mess imo.
The characters and banter were pretty cool. Rory seemed uneven. Perhaps some of the criticism of the portrayal of autism/ Aspergers might've been mitigated if there was some dialogue about it being a spectrum, and that this was an example of one kid, not a representation of autism as a whole. But my knowledge of that kind of thing is very layman. He just seemed at the start as very prone to bad reactions to loud noise, but later on seems much like an average kid who doesn't seem to have much problems with lots of gunfire.
And there was just too much, 'wait, what?' towards the end. I like the concept of extracting DNA to upgrade themselves, but haven't considered how it fits in with the other films, and not entirely sure about the execution yet. Would seem to tie in to Predators a bit.
The loonies and Fugitive I enjoyed, nothing else though.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 29, 2018, 11:36:06 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 26, 2018, 09:56:01 PMSeriously ? The first leak of the emissaries caused one of the biggest fan uproar about this film...
Which I really don't get.
These people who'll lose their shit just because *gasp* some Predators might find reason to forge a convenient alliance with humans just sound incredibly narrow-minded to me.
Did the human-Predator alliance work in AVP? Not really. Does that men the concept as a whole is trash? Of course not.
I actually kinda liked the idea of some Predators being so against what the Upgrade was doing that they were willing to work with us to stop it - ironically, it feels like that would have painted those members of the species as being more in line with the noble Predator concept that these same fans seemingly treasure so much in the previous films. Sadly it seems the entire idea was killed by the rage from that minority. And boy did the resultant reworking hurt the film in the end.
I agree with this. I think the idea of noble traditional non genetically modified Predators coming to earth to help us (sans stupid iron man esque predator armor) would've been a great idea to center the movie around.
There's some great concepts floating in this film but it's lost with all the Shane Blackness (often corny), forced tension deflating humor, obsession with autism and PTSD while doing nothing meaningful or profound with it. Along with all the 4th wall breaking superhero movie Marvel Studiozation of the once very serious action horror source material.
It does in ways retroactively change the nature of the predators but it's been acknowledged that the upgrade Assassin was an outlier, cheater and a renegade. Even if he's taking orders from his clan.
But the concept they had here, if executed better would've been awesome. It would've been like in a way what 2010 Predators shot for with a bad blood rule breaking new species of super predator. But instead of 3 super Predators vs humans and one OG pred.
The inverse would've been so much better with Fugitive and 2 emissary human helping Predators defending us as a species vs the upgrade Assassin Predator.
Also would've served to make the Assassin Pred look even more menacing. His coolest scene is him tearing apart Fugitive effortlessly. Viscerally.
If he had 2 more OG style Preds to dominate like that, would've made him much more menacing.
Hadn't seen the movie since I was massively disappointed in the film on first viewing besides a few entertaining scenes and moments. But I left being so disappointed that I hated it.
Rewatched it the other day. And besides a ton of things tonally, Olivia Munn, mythos betrayal, the kid, the pred dogs ... there is some things I absolutely enjoy.
The chemistry and characters from the loonies. Easily more likable than the cast from Predators. I could root for these dudes and they were believable even with their mental illness as masculine former soldiers. Adrien Brody, Topher Grace? Lol please stop.
Boyd Holbrook is solid. Keegan is funny. Trevante Rhodes likable. All these guys are awesome. Thomas Jane could've been used even better.
But this movie absolutely belonged and should have focused on Sterling Brown's character. He steals every scene and looks to be having a blast. Engaging in every scene. His pathetic exit was ::)
And the upgrade Pred is pretty cool. It's not on the level of the first two obviously. But it's more unique and entertaining than Predators. That's for sure.
Quote from: TheLoneRanger on Jun 27, 2019, 07:23:33 AM
But this movie absolutely belonged and should have focused on Sterling Brown's character. He steals every scene and looks to be having a blast. Engaging in every scene. His pathetic exit was ::)
So much this^
If they just would have focused on him, Olivia and Jake Busey focusing on trying to keep the Fugitive contained on the Stargazer compound while the Assassin was trying to break his way in, we maybe could have ended up with a really compelling movie!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 27, 2019, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: TheLoneRanger on Jun 27, 2019, 07:23:33 AM
But this movie absolutely belonged and should have focused on Sterling Brown's character. He steals every scene and looks to be having a blast. Engaging in every scene. His pathetic exit was ::)
So much this^
If they just would have focused on him, Olivia and Jake Busey focusing on trying to keep the Fugitive contained on the Stargazer compound while the Assassin was trying to break his way in, we maybe could have ended up with a really compelling movie!
Totally agree. Throw in witness Boyd Holbrook and Trevante Rhodes military characters as interrogated suspects at the Stargazer base and that's all you need.
To be honest I don't get the obsession of the last two predator films obsessing with the idea of soldiers having to be the top prize or protagonist of these films. The makers think that alone relates it back to the original.
P2 is the best predator film after '87 and it has nothing to do with soldiers, military, or jungle. It takes the core essence of the original and applies it to new setting / new prey / new antagonists. Adds to the lore, and brings in OWLF government agency.
Love the idea of the reg Preds honorably helping humans with possible technologies to fend off an invasion from a dishonorable bad blood crew of Predators. Not just one suit.
Your idea with Sterling Browns character as central protagonist would've been f**king awesome. And would've made Assassin Pred horrifying. Him finding his way through stealth and force into a tightly locked down Area 52 Stargazer compound. Taking out security soldiers and even having your basic human alliance preds: Fugitive, Emissaries scared shitless?!
Now THATS a great predator movie.
No metal armor suit. No autism subplot. No kids. Central protagonist being the governmental agency through Brown's charming yet arrogant character.
And hell for the SJW crowds your lead would be a black man, you'd still have one note annoying Olivia Munn in there showing her worth, and you'd have OMG another black man in Rhodes as a subsidiary character.
The entire DNA concept is nonsense, so I agree.
But I found the entire cast of the Loonies quite entertaining, but especially Trevante Rhodes and Thomas Jane.
Boyd Holbrook's good but miscast, but yeah I dig the idea of Sterling K. Brown as a sort of antagonist/protagonist as the focus.
My face while watching The Predator for first time...
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I believe this was one of the most disappointing movie experiences in my life. Remember walking out from the theatre in a state of denial. Franchise destroyer.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Jul 09, 2019, 06:56:24 PM
My face while watching The Predator for first time...
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I believe this was one of the most disappointing movie experiences in my life. Remember walking out from the theatre in a state of denial. Franchise destroyer.
I think if Fox didn't order those cuts it darn well might have been. :-\
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Jul 09, 2019, 06:56:24 PM
I believe this was one of the most disappointing movie experiences in my life. Remember walking out from the theatre in a state of denial. Franchise destroyer.
Pretty much the same here.
Ironically, just as the storage chamber the Fugitive ship contained-
we don't know the when the Predator franchise revival is, or even the status, lost until further notice.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 09, 2019, 08:18:58 PM
Ironically, just as the storage chamber the Fugitive ship contained-
we don't know the when the Predator franchise revival is, or even the status, lost until further notice.
True, but in regards to devastating entries to a franchise, we could have been given a main character franchise killshot like in Godfather 3, Alien Resurrection or The Last Jedi that were devastatingly criminal to their main characters Michael Corleone, Ripley and Luke Skywalker...
but we didn't.See, with Predator, the main character is the Predator and completely demystifing them with friendly Predators in camoflague suits working with humans and riding tanks and smoking cigarettes could have been a killshot too. Instead, The Predator is just a forgettable popcorn movie that no one will really remember in five years other than many saying "oh yeah, that one sucked!" What we got was a forgettable movie, instead of a film that f**ked up a franchise.
That's why I am saying thanks to Fox. Demanding reshoots resulted in less franchise damage then it could have been in my opinion. Tremendously so.
Eh, I'll take a giant battle involving a tank over a bunch of guys walking in the woods any day. Besides, the movie bombed, so the franchise is likely dead anyways.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 09, 2019, 08:59:37 PM
Eh, I'll take a giant battle involving a tank over a bunch of guys walking in the woods any day. Besides, the movie bombed, so the franchise is likely dead anyways.
It didn't bomb. It made $160 Million worldwide theatrically on an $88 Million Budget. It just didn't do great.
Now The Thing prequel... $27 Million worldwide theatrically on a $38 Million budget? Yeah, that bombed.
I expect Disnox to put Predator and Alien on Hulu anyway. Got to do something with all these franchises they paid so much money for.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 09, 2019, 09:14:21 PM
It didn't bomb. It made $160 Million worldwide theatrically on an $88 Million Budget. It just didn't do great.
"Didn't do great" still feels overly generous. Not even doubling your production costs is usually seen as a financial failure. They likely
lost money factoring marketing.
Traegers death was really confusing, I remember in the cinema I didn't understand at all, I thought he was still alive for a while as I tried to wrap my brain around what actually happened. It just seemed so silly, how could he die like that? was olivia Munns' caracter trying to distract him intentionally so he would shoot himself?
It was just silly.
Yeah, it was thrown in so haphazardly. An important character, and that's how he's offed! It's definitely a blink and you miss moment.
It was a stupid moment.
Would have made more sense that he gets overconfident with the blaster, steps out to face the Pred one on one and gets gutted
Quote from: Dingbat on Aug 30, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
Traegers death was really confusing, I remember in the cinema I didn't understand at all, I thought he was still alive for a while as I tried to wrap my brain around what actually happened. It just seemed so silly, how could he die like that? was olivia Munns' caracter trying to distract him intentionally so he would shoot himself?
I hear ya. I totally missed what happened to Traeger in the theater. I knew he was dead, but the how... it just went so fast, I wasn't certain.
Later finding out how sure didn't make things better. For such a cool character, Black & Dekker should have done him a solid in the reshoots, like Agent Keyes. Just give Traeger a glorious death by the hands of the Predator.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 30, 2019, 09:00:28 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 09, 2019, 09:14:21 PM
It didn't bomb. It made $160 Million worldwide theatrically on an $88 Million Budget. It just didn't do great.
"Didn't do great" still feels overly generous. Not even doubling your production costs is usually seen as a financial failure. They likely lost money factoring marketing.
Maybe. I kind of meant it like the answer to a question like "How are you feeling?". -
Not so great. As in not good or I think I'm going to be sick.
But forget doubling, not even trippling your budget is a success anymore depending how much of your box-office gross came from China where studios only receive 22-25 cents on every dollar sold. I'm certain The Predator was in the red at the end of its theatrically run. It, like Alien Covenant did not do well, but fortunately neither were a bomb.
My 11 year old son and 12 year old nephew thought it was stupid. So add to more to the stupid pile lol.
It seems at this point even critics don't particular like it either, its now at 32% on the rotten tomato meter. I could have sworn it was around 60% when the film first came out.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 24, 2019, 09:50:46 AM
It seems at this point even critics don't particular like it either, its now at 32% on the rotten tomato meter. I could have sworn it was around 60% when the film first came out.
After a few early reviews maybe? But no, once the reviews went wide before release the critical consensus was always a Rotten Tomato.
It sucked then, it sucks now, and it will suck forever.
It sucked even before its release. We knew it would long before the movie came out.
I was mindlessly entertained by it at first viewing in the theater. But boy has my view towards it crumbled appart with repeat viewings.
I still like Sterling K. Brown as Traeger though! And the Fugitive Predator lab escape is still decent. But that's all I got. :laugh:
What irritates me most about the film (and is a large part of why I just hate it) is there's a lot of different little aspects in the film that deserved more. More focus, more clarity.
They really could have used more scenes with the Assassin predator tracking Fugitive, show where Fugitive went after hitching a ride...maybe a bad ass first aid scene.
Finally got round to watching it, it sucked...
Other than McKenna and possibly Williams, I didn't give a shit about any of the characters and wasn't even remotely bothered when they were killed off.
The CGI was SyFy Channel level at times.
The action scenes were instantly forgettable, including the utterly anticlimactic final showdown.
Whoever came up with the "friendly Predator dog" idea probably shouldn't be allowed to work in the business anymore.
How many callbacks to lines from previous films do we really need? Thought I was watching a parody at times.
The "Predator Killer" scene at the end? Garbage.
Honestly, I'm struggling to remember another film which had less of an impact on me than this one...
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 01, 2019, 10:35:04 PM
It sucked even before its release. We knew it would long before the movie came out.
True and we were vocal about it. They should have listened.
I never read the script, so I didn't know.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 01, 2019, 09:53:28 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 24, 2019, 09:50:46 AM
It seems at this point even critics don't particular like it either, its now at 32% on the rotten tomato meter. I could have sworn it was around 60% when the film first came out.
After a few early reviews maybe? But no, once the reviews went wide before release the critical consensus was always a Rotten Tomato.
But seeing one of your favourite creatures on the big screen again, especially after a very long time, can really give you a mongrel for a brief while, but later what you saw really starts to sink in... Personally, I had a good time watching it in the cinema, just because it was a new Predator movie, but later hated the film more and more.
^
:D
:laugh:
I can totally imagine the development having gone like that.
Don't know whether to laugh or cry.
That was beautiful.
Guy's not f**king around, brilliant. I wonder where are those f**kers who shouted it'll be best predator film ever and franchise must be reinvented...
OK, "earthquake" gag was funny.
The earthquake gag is why I posted it :laugh:
Ahaha. Thank you for posting.
So, I was thinking about this for a long time going back and forth with my opinion. I think I can call myself one of the bigest defenders of this movie. But now, especially after franchise got a shot in the arm called Prey, I can confidently say that The Predator, in fact, was a quite terrible movie.
When the movie came out back in 2018 I tried so hard to convince myself I liked it. I'm not quite sure why, I guess it was a combination of being my first ever theatrical Predator experience which I attended with my dad and me feeling that movie didn't necessarily deserved all the trashing it got from critics and viewers. After a while it just became semi-ironic game of defending kinda trashy movie and being in opposition to the majority of fans. Now, I'm at the point where I feel like "
sigh Why couldn't you be better ?". I don't hate it and I still don't think it's as bad or worse than Requiem. I just have no desire to go back to it. Even the prospect of one day maybe seeing Emissaries cut doesn't excite me anymore.
I understand that I'm probably being too over-dramatic talking about some movie from more than 4 years ago. I just felt the need to write down my thoughts. I would also like to apologise to anyone who's time and nerves I wasted arguing about this movie (
@SiL ,you're the first who comes to mind). These were my early days on the boards and it ain't something I'm terribly proud of
Fin
I honestly don't remember having an issue with discussing the movie with you at all for what it's worth.
Still haven't seen it since it came out and doubt I will for a long time.
Well, I'm glad you don't
Have you also changed your mind about crabators?
Naaah
I re-watched this recently because Disney+ in the UK had it featured on the banner with a tagline like "The Whole series streaming now!" or something similar - and I thought "I'll give it another go"
And, honestsly? It's even worse than I remembered.
There are some good moments in there, granted. But overall it's horrendous.
The dialogue is lads mag/frat house standard in parts; EG - "You wanna know if somebody f**ked a Predator?" but the absolute worst part of it is Treager's "f**ked that n****r up" line. I'm not even a social justice warrior or anything - but that line was just plain f**king stupid on every conceivable level FFS.
I feel personally f**king ashamed for Shane Black for this film, TBH. Given he made Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and The Nice Guys (as well as OG Pred re-write & Lethal Weapon etc) he's got some decent credibility about him, IMO. But this is without a shadow of a doubt his absolute worst piece of work.
So many potentially decent tropes squandared all because he/they wanted to make some dick/pussy/f**k jokes, and have the theme come across as some pathetic 80s shite throwback?
I was gifted the OG script (pre-revision/re-shoots) on this site and as much as I recoiled in horror when reading it ('good' Preds in combat pants and a Pred menagerie, anyone??); it was a f**king damn sight better than the steaming pile of nonsense the final cut turned out to be.
Also the Pred suit at the end of the film is just shocking. From it's conception to the way it bounces about like a little bobblehead on-screen it's just shocking. But by far the most offensive thing about it is it loks like it was drawn by Rob Liefeld.
Disgraceful film.
I love listening to the AvPG podcasts and especially to those retrospectives. And I can see why people love it and consider it their favorite film, and as much as I like Predator 2, I just watched it again over the weekend, it feels super dated, and I'm not a fan at all of most of the performances. I do like Bill Paxton and Danny Glover in that film, but I do wish there was more mystery and detective work and elements utilized within the film, because things just feel out of place, come out of left field and some of the fights and battles just feel disjointed. It's overall, a fun but mediocre experience. If I had to pick a top three, it would be Predator, Prey and then Predator 2.