https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/21st-century-fox-has-been-holding-talks-to-sell-most-of-company-to-disney-sources.html
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For Fox, the willingness to engage in sale talks with Disney stems from a growing belief among its senior management that scale in media is of immediate importance and there is not a path to gain that scale in entertainment through acquisition. The company is said to believe that a more tightly focused group of properties around news and sports could compete more effectively in the current marketplace.
Still a good chance this won't happen, but would mean Disney has control over the Alien and Predator franchises? If so I'm not too sure how to feel about that. I feel like they're done a pretty good job with the direction of Star Wars, but obviously Alien isn't the family friendly cash cow that Star Wars is.
Has there ever been a case of Disney inheriting or actually doing an "adult" franchise? Either way, I wouldn't panic just yet. This might amount to nothing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Has there ever been a case of Disney inheriting or actually doing an "adult" franchise? Either way, I wouldn't panic just yet. This might amount to nothing.
I feel the complete opposite of panic. The franchise is currently stalled and even though Fox had every good intention with Covenant, they f**ked up repeatedly between Alien 3 to AvP-R. As a cinematic property it's pretty tattered, maybe Disney can reinvigorate it (and get rid of Scott as well).
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fox-walt-disney/fox-held-talks-to-sell-most-of-company-to-disney-cnbc-idUSKBN1D62GU
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It did discuss buying Fox's movie and TV production studios, cable networks FX and National Geographic and international assets such as Star and B Sky B, CNBC said.
If this eventually goes through, it would mean Disney would own the Alien and Predator series, which would f**king suck.
Quote from: Alionic on Nov 06, 2017, 08:57:35 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fox-walt-disney/fox-held-talks-to-sell-most-of-company-to-disney-cnbc-idUSKBN1D62GU
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It did discuss buying Fox's movie and TV production studios, cable networks FX and National Geographic and international assets such as Star and B Sky B, CNBC said.
If this eventually goes through, it would mean Disney would own the Alien and Predator series, which would f**king suck.
Can't be any worse than 20th Century Fox owning it? I really don't think Disney would like stick Mickey Mouse in it. In fact, they may even open up a whole "Mature-rated content" Disney division. Hypothetically.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Has there ever been a case of Disney inheriting or actually doing an "adult" franchise? Either way, I wouldn't panic just yet. This might amount to nothing.
They release 'adult' stuff through subsidiaries like Miramax and Touchstone.
Yes, Disney would start making PG Alien and Predator movies. They have no business acumen whatsoever.
/sarcasm
Quite.
Well that was quick. ::)
https://www.cbr.com/disney-fox-deal-reportedly-dead/?utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=CBR-TW&view=list
Or rather looks like it was called off weeks ago.
Quote from: SM on Nov 06, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Has there ever been a case of Disney inheriting or actually doing an "adult" franchise? Either way, I wouldn't panic just yet. This might amount to nothing.
They release 'adult' stuff through subsidiaries like Miramax and Touchstone.
Thanks, SM. I didn't know they owned them.
Sorry didnt see the thread here. Feel free to delete the misplaced one I made.
Anyways.... I believe Disney would sell the Alien Franchise off if it did happen. Alien does not really fit in with their other franchises. However a cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy 3 would be great if it did.
...Also they would can the Ridley Scott Prequel currently ongoing. I believe FOX might do the same too.
Quote from: Richman678 on Nov 06, 2017, 09:30:59 PM
However a cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy 3 would be great if it did.
:laugh: :laugh: ;D :D
An R-rated animated disney movie could be awesome. They could put the 80's back into service. But alas the deal is as dead as bloomkamps aliens.
Well they already did the 'whack a chestburster' and Alien slime thing in Toy Story. Aliens Vs Buzz Lightyear is the next logical step.
Quote from: SM on Nov 06, 2017, 10:05:16 PM
Well they already did the 'whack a chestburster' and Alien slime thing in Toy Story. Aliens Vs Buzz Lightyear is the next logical step.
Kenner's Scorpion Alien figure as a side character in Toy Story 4.
To hell with that I want a "Kenner Scorpion Alien: An Alien Tale" spin-off movie!
*Spoilers*: he blows up at the end. It's truly an emotional roller coaster.
Ok I hate Disney even more now.
Alien can make anything better. Head bite Olaf! for the win.
After Logan, Deadpool and It they realize there's still money to be made with R-Rated movies.
I don't see it as a bad thing. We'd probably get more big budget horror. And among the crap there's bound to be a couple of gems.
I've been irrationally worried about this all day... I just want one more Ridley Scott film to close the gap! Then they can sell to Disney and have JJ Abrams do a PG-13 remake of Aliens for all I care.
If Disney buys Fox, there could be three outcomes. One, Alien and Predator would be made PG movie, like MCU movies. Two, the two franchise would be deleted or erased because of it's non kid-friendly traits. Three, Disney would try the R route, which may or may not hurt their reputation as a family friendly franchise (well, maybe, as there are many guts and bloods. Cursing may contribute a little, as Falcon said "shit" in CA:TWS and little to nobody complains).
Quote from: NeoXenoPred on Nov 09, 2017, 01:35:19 PM
If Disney buys Fox, there could be three outcomes. One, Alien and Predator would be made PG movie, like MCU movies. Two, the two franchise would be deleted or erased because of it's non kid-friendly traits. Three, Disney would try the R route, which may or may not hurt their reputation as a family friendly franchise (well, maybe, as there are many guts and bloods. Cursing may contribute a little, as Falcon said "shit" in CA:TWS and little to nobody complains).
Disney's much bigger than just the family friendly "corporation" as SM points out elsewhere in the thread - so I don't thinking hurting their image will factor into any decisions about AvP franchise.
The deal has stalled but isn't off: https://screenrant.com/disney-fox-deal-mcu-x-men-explained/
Going the "R" route should not be new for Disney given Miramax.
God this is all I think about when I saw the news...
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I just hate this mega corporation/ big monopoly thing going on....free market competition my ass
Quote from: SM on Nov 06, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Has there ever been a case of Disney inheriting or actually doing an "adult" franchise? Either way, I wouldn't panic just yet. This might amount to nothing.
They release 'adult' stuff through subsidiaries like Miramax and Touchstone.
They also once owned Dimension films that put out horror films.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 10, 2017, 03:46:24 AM
God this is all I think about when I saw the news...
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ef/8e/30/ef8e30dfcdbc0eb1fc0d29110f6afc2c--clean-memes-the-empire-strikes-back.jpg
I just hate this mega corporation/ big monopoly thing going on....free market competition my ass
Wait until it merges with Warner Bros and becomes Disney-Warner and opens up a bio-weapons division for research on Alie-, oh wait... we still have a century to go. :P
Well, seriously i don't know about that fact. Thanks for telling me!
This probably has more to do with the need for content for their upcoming streaming network. National geographic would go to them. Thats a big gain for the network. Sure they will get Avp, die hard, xmen, fantastic 4, and id4 but Avatar, is the real icening on the cake.
Miramax was sold a while back.
What's interesting is fox has 30% of hulu
If this happens I see hulu going next & then netflix is in real trouble.
They sold Mirimax, but I'm pretty sure they still have Touchstone. The could possibly continue these R-rated series as Touchstone projects.
yeah they still have touchstone.
I seen Starz is listed under Fox as well... home of the evil dead show. I wonder if disney would keep starz around.
The only reason touchstone exists was as a holding stable for Dreamworks whom now work with Universal.
Disney will never do R rated property themselves, and by the time they consider doing it for things along the line of Logan or Deadpool superhero fatigue will firmly be a thing. The only reason Fox even bothered with Logan is the staff took scale and Deadpool made absurdly over projections, so expecting Disney to do the same is firmly in over-optimism territory.
How quickly people forget what happened to Marvel's actual comics with disney holding the money bags.
Yaaay, another f**king retcon of the timeline.
I'm torn. On one hand I'm not fond of Disney, on the other I hate where the Alien franchise has gone and want Alien: Covenant erased from reality. Huh.
I didn't realize Fox has a stake in Starz. If that's so, then that would mean that Disney would inherit that, including Ash vs Evil Dead. Which might be good, as I want them to achieve their stated goal of 5 seasons, and consummate the long-ago proposed Ash/Mia narrative merger. In addition, since Disney would still have a say in the Fox TV programming even without owning them, they would determine the fate of the long-ago dead Family Guy, which only spins further down the toilet in making incredibly mean-spirited and pointless jokes and turning every character unlikable. However, there's a good chance they might kill off The Simpsons because they give in to all the people who've spread the long-accepted myth that the show is unwatchable and is completely coasting, which is far from the truth.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 13, 2017, 04:10:57 AM
How quickly people forget what happened to Marvel's actual comics with disney holding the money bags.
What happened to Marvel's comics? I know that they shut down the MAX imprint some years ago which was the one that did all the R rated gory Marvel comics like Punisher MAX, set in a world with lots of swearing and brutal violence. I don't know if Marvel still makes those types of comics anymore.
I think they should just sell the rights over to me
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Nov 14, 2017, 02:59:19 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 13, 2017, 04:10:57 AM
How quickly people forget what happened to Marvel's actual comics with disney holding the money bags.
What happened to Marvel's comics? I know that they shut down the MAX imprint some years ago which was the one that did all the R rated gory Marvel comics like Punisher MAX, set in a world with lots of swearing and brutal violence. I don't know if Marvel still makes those types of comics anymore.
I wonder if this is about when X-Men and FF4 were pushed to the sidelines?
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Nov 14, 2017, 02:59:19 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 13, 2017, 04:10:57 AM
How quickly people forget what happened to Marvel's actual comics with disney holding the money bags.
What happened to Marvel's comics? I know that they shut down the MAX imprint some years ago which was the one that did all the R rated gory Marvel comics like Punisher MAX, set in a world with lots of swearing and brutal violence. I don't know if Marvel still makes those types of comics anymore.
Um, there's a new Punisher prequel series under the MAX imprint going on right now.
http://marvel.com/comics/issue/49110/punisher_the_platoon_2017_1
It's about three issues in by now.
Quote from: Deathbearer on Nov 13, 2017, 12:54:53 PM
On one hand I'm not fond of Disney, on the other I hate where the Alien franchise has gone and want Alien: Covenant erased from reality.
That's a pretty extreme desire regarding Covenant, but as already suggested here, maybe it's time to let it go. Move on, the franchise had a great run. Let a future generation pick it up if interest is renewed. Meanwhile, us fanboys here can continue to reminiscence on Alien archive.
I wouldn't like to see it whither away. I think there's plenty of potential left it in, I personally don't think Scott is the one to realize that potential.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2017, 09:27:05 AM
I wouldn't like to see it whither away. I think there's plenty of potential left it in, I personally don't think Scott is the one to realize that potential.
I think it still has potential in other entertainment media, comic books, games, etc., but I'm not as positive as you regarding feature film. Treat it like wine, store it and let it age. Some director of 2095 dusts it off, him completely free of today's film making's trappings.
I'm actually surprised that, given the numerous attempts to make cinematic universes in the wake of Marvel, Fox didn't try a reboot of both Alien and Predator as a lead-in to a crossover film. I still wish something like that would happen.
I think at this point it would be for the best. Look at where we are, Prometheus has basically been thrown away like it never happened and covenant was a soft reboot, that I think failed to do just that. It failed as a sequel to Prometheus and failed as a competent alien movie. Pretty yes, memorable no. The fact fox said they are unsure where to go from here and then said they trust Ridley will "find" where alien needs to go doesn't inspire confidence.
Alien is in a similar place that I think Star Wars prequels are, who also were prodeced by fox...hmm. Love or hate disneys direction with the Star Wars franchise at least it has a future now. There's excitement among fans, there's side story movies like rogue one and talks of a tv side story. Alien fans, myself at least, are not only deflated with the current trajectory but actually worried these will do permanent damage to an already battered franchise.
Alien, under foxs stewardship is in trouble. People need to realize this. Covenant underperformed as far as fox is concerned and if they let Ridley have his way with David being the creator of the alien I think that would be the nail in the coffin. Few franchises couldn't survive so many duds in a row since alien 3 which is a testament to the strength of the ip and the loyalty of the fans. Fox clearly has no idea where to take this franchise and I say Disney couldn't be any worse than where we are now.
Quote from: Dabaus on Nov 21, 2017, 03:21:01 PM
I think at this point it would be for the best. Look at where we are, Prometheus has basically been thrown away like it never happened and covenant was a soft reboot, that I think failed to do just that. It failed as a sequel to Prometheus and failed as a competent alien movie. Pretty yes, memorable no. The fact fox said they are unsure where to go from here and then said they trust Ridley will "find" where alien needs to go doesn't inspire confidence.
Alien is in a similar place that I think Star Wars prequels are, who also were prodeced by fox...hmm. Love or hate disneys direction with the Star Wars franchise at least it has a future now. There's excitement among fans, there's side story movies like rogue one and talks of a tv side story. Alien fans, myself at least, are not only deflated with the current trajectory but actually worried these will do permanent damage to an already battered franchise.
Alien, under foxs stewardship is in trouble. People need to realize this. Covenant underperformed as far as fox is concerned and if they let Ridley have his way with David being the creator of the alien I think that would be the nail in the coffin. Few franchises couldn't survive so many duds in a row since alien 3 which is a testament to the strength of the ip and the loyalty of the fans. Fox clearly has no idea where to take this franchise and I say Disney couldn't be any worse than where we are now.
Yes, definitely. I don't understand all this scepticism and hate for Disney. People forget that the best Star Wars films were thanks to the so called "perfect storms", and no thanks to just one talented man (just like in the first Alien). And to be honest, I strongly believe that Disney could have better plans for the Alien franchise, unlike FOX, which clearly does not seem to have a clear idea of where to go.
I'm worried that the franchise is in trouble and I'm pretty split on where it should go next. It has always belonged to Fox. But from another perspective, there were only two overwhelmingly loved movies and the last one was in 1986!
I like Covenant but it did have so many problems. The worst part for me is that Ridley has no real plan, he's abandoning ideas left and right that he himself introduced. Yes, I wanted an Alien movie and it would have been awesome if Prometheus had an Alien that was well written in, but okay. It wasn't necessary or a problem. What we got were questions about the Engineers. Lets learn more about them. And the idea was completely thrown away! There was not enough of a payoff from Prometheus. Even though I really like David and have nothing against him creating the Alien, for I love the idea of a sick, sexually frustrated robot which was created by an arrogant genius who made him too human like and now the twisted creation is creating nightmares for us humans, I'm still disappointed in the execution.
Anyway, with whoever it is to blame on the changing of direction for Covenant, be it Fox (probably) or Ridley (who doesn't care enough anymore), we need a better approach and change. I'd like for Scott to wrap this all up with one more movie and leave the franchise be, as many have stated before me. But after that it could be possible that Fox puts the franchise on ice which I wouldn't like. But if Disney gets the right, they could even maybe ignore the whole franchise which is even worse.
I would love if Fox could get the franchise back on track but the Box Office for Blade Runner 2049 is also worrying. There may be a lack of interest for mature Sci-Fi anymore...
I'm afraid of Disney getting the rights if they don't care about the franchise, but knowing how successful they are, if they want to continue it, I'd like to see what they come up with.
It's sad to hear no games being developed and no comics (as of now) after Dead Orbit. I'm looking more forward to the new Titan books and regular Neca releases than the movies, which is not encouraging. Maybe it's time for a Disney Alien? :laugh:
I'm genuinely convinced more than anything, the problem with the franchise isn't Ridley, per se, although he currently isn't helping, but fox suits intervening. I think the first alien film was a combination of a perfect storm and aliens was great because Cameron had a clear vision: Vietnam in space.
Alien 3 is where we is where we hear about producers sabotaging most of the script ideas and eventually the film itself. Alien resurrection I don't know how much influence fox suits had because they outsourced it to a French director but the film we got was the result of such a judgment.
Which leads us to Prometheus. Long rumored alien sequel which is what it was going to be. Scott's unhappiness with the script and indecisiveness led the then fox CEO Rothram (whose now CEO of the disaster known as Sony pictures) to tell Ridley to take the alien out of the prequel and have it be its own thing. Prometheus happens and it's extremely divisive among fans because it was marketed as an alien prequel but hardly had anything to do with alien.
Then covenant which to me shows fox has completely lost the plot. I don't even think it was a good movie. It was a terrible Prometheus sequel and a terrible alien film. Especially when the rumors of scott having a vastly different vision for sequel. One has to wonder how much meddling fox had to do to lead us where we are now.
Basically what I'm getting at is disny could not be any worse. Matter of fact they may try to understand WHY people like alien. So they can you know, make money off it.
Quote from: Dabaus on Nov 21, 2017, 03:21:01 PM
I think at this point it would be for the best. Look at where we are, Prometheus has basically been thrown away like it never happened and covenant was a soft reboot, that I think failed to do just that. It failed as a sequel to Prometheus and failed as a competent alien movie. Pretty yes, memorable no. The fact fox said they are unsure where to go from here and then said they trust Ridley will "find" where alien needs to go doesn't inspire confidence.
Alien is in a similar place that I think Star Wars prequels are, who also were prodeced by fox...hmm. Love or hate disneys direction with the Star Wars franchise at least it has a future now. There's excitement among fans, there's side story movies like rogue one and talks of a tv side story. Alien fans, myself at least, are not only deflated with the current trajectory but actually worried these will do permanent damage to an already battered franchise.
Alien, under foxs stewardship is in trouble. People need to realize this. Covenant underperformed as far as fox is concerned and if they let Ridley have his way with David being the creator of the alien I think that would be the nail in the coffin. Few franchises couldn't survive so many duds in a row since alien 3 which is a testament to the strength of the ip and the loyalty of the fans. Fox clearly has no idea where to take this franchise and I say Disney couldn't be any worse than where we are now.
You're forgetting the part where Covenant and especially Prometheus made Fox a lot of money.
Quote from: Dabaus on Nov 21, 2017, 05:50:57 PM
Basically what I'm getting at is disny could not be any worse. Matter of fact they may try to understand WHY people like alien. So they can you know, make money off it.
I, too, cannot wait for PG13 Alien films from Disney. I mean, AVP made money, so why not?
No thanks.
FWIW, PG is probably the sweet spot for expensive Hollywood movies that are marketed internationally.
It's time for a change
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Giger would be pleased.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/11/27/james-cameron-on-how-disney-buying-fox-might-affect-avatar-sequels
During the last podcast we talked how X-men was a big motivating factor behind this, but it seems that Avatar may be the biggest franchise in Disney's sights, as they have a theme park area devoted to it now, as they did with Star Wars before they acquired that property.
It's back in negotiations
https://marvelstudiosnews.com/2017/11/28/breaking-disney-fox-back-negotiating-table-make-deal/
Hmmmm. Interesting. Really curious to see how this all pans out.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2017, 09:06:10 AM
Hmmmm. Interesting. Really curious to see how this all pans out.
And sobering that none of the articles I've seen mention Aliens or Predator.
I imagine because the likely real reason for all this is X-Men and Star Wars.
Disney already owns Star Wars.
The Original Trilogy. My understanding is they don't own the un-altered stuff, that is still retained by Fox.
As has been mulled over... it might be the rejuvenation the franchises need. Given what we know about "The Predator", my initial thrill has faded to a dull "please don't let it be shit" vibe.
Rogue One was ace and that was (mostly?) a Disney thing. They gave a younger director a go and I think he nailed it. Perhaps it could prove to be a blessing not a curse for A and P if it comes to pass.
Quote from: Russ on Nov 29, 2017, 09:01:05 AM
It's back in negotiations
https://marvelstudiosnews.com/2017/11/28/breaking-disney-fox-back-negotiating-table-make-deal/
Imagine Disney owning Avatar, X-Men, Alien, Predator, etc. in addition to everything they already own. Monopolies aren't known for allowing creative freedom, folks. You better hope this doesn't go through.
At least 20th Century Fox took risks with Logan, Deadpool, Prometheus, Covenant, etc. and now The New Mutants.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2017, 11:06:13 AM
The Original Trilogy. My understanding is they don't own the un-altered stuff, that is still retained by Fox.
Yeah, A New Hope is owned by Fox in perpetuity. But Fox's distribution rights to Episodes I-III, V and VI will expire in 2020.
So essentially Disney currently only has the rights to make new Star Wars movies & other properties. They can't currently change or distribute anything from the prequel or original trilogy.
Yeah Fox has some to claim to ANH, but Lucas paid for all others out of his own pocket.
If Disney buys Fox nothing much will really change. Fox Studios will still remain partially independant, but now have to hand offer a chunk of their earnings to Disney. Since Disney are very good with franchises I could see them taking the Alien and Predator franchises and rebooting them to have multiple movies planned out for an ongoing saga, with a bigger emphasis on action to recapture the magic of the original films.
I would welcome a reboot for alien and predator with a cinematic universe
As long as David doesn't make the Alien...
Despite being less cartoonish, the Alien-Predator cinematic universe is the closest thing to a live-action adaptation of one of my favorite video games of all time :laugh:
Spoiler
The Swarm
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(https://img00.deviantart.net/e233/i/2017/116/f/d/_alien_king__by_arvalis-db77qga.jpg)
The Technologically Advanced Ancient Civilization
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The Space Marines
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The Hybrid Antiheroine
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Another Hybrid Abomination
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And More...
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Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Dec 01, 2017, 03:36:02 AM
Despite being less cartoonish, the Alien-Predator cinematic universe is the closest thing to a live-action adaptation of one of my favorite video games of all time :laugh:
Spoiler
The Swarm
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(https://img00.deviantart.net/e233/i/2017/116/f/d/_alien_king__by_arvalis-db77qga.jpg)
The Technologically Advanced Ancient Civilization
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(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111200398/5736470-predator+3.jpg)
The Space Marines
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The Hybrid Antiheroine
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Another Hybrid Abomination
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And More...
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Can you PM me a link to the thing in the spoiler.
Looks like Comcast is also interested. They're the parent company of Universal. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/02/comcast-also-interested-in-buying-most-of-fox/?sr_source=Facebook
Alien Vs Star Trek can go ahead then.
Does Comcast own Paramount or CBS?
Don't think so. I mixed up Universal and Paramount.
Fair enough. Apparently that was Scott's involvement that stalled that crossover, not any unwillingness on Paramount or CBS' part. Don't know if you know any better?
Nah, don't have the faintest.
Well let's be real here Disney wants the Marvel properties that Fox has so they will likely outbid anyone else.
However in regards to the Alien and Predator liscenses I would also bet Disney would sell those off. Can you guys name any Disney rated R franchises??? Cause i sure can't.
As per page 1 of the thread, Disney has released adult oriented stuff via Touchstone and Miramax in the past.
Also Marvel's darker shows (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, etc.) were produced by ABC studios, a division of Disney. Even Agents of Shield has some pretty freaking gory and violent scenes.
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I don't like that Disney will own the rights to such a high percentage of all the major sci-fi franchises in the world. But I do think Aliens under modern Marvel could be managed better. I'm in... tentatively.
Well Disney does own Lucasfilm now. It's a long shot, but if the franchise does end up at Disney the path to JJ Abrams becomes a possibility!!!
I don't think I'd be too happy with the idea of a complete reboot/remake but some soft reboot that maintains the old film canon (as they did with Star Wars while slowly reintroducing elements of EU) sits fine with me.
I'd be willing to allow Disney to take a shot at Alien/Predator. As others have said, it can't be worse than where the franchise seems to currently be going under Ridley.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/05/disney-and-fox-are-closing-in-on-deal-could-be-announced-next-week--sources.html
I think it's happening guys.
Need an alien reboot
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Quote from: Whos_Nick on Dec 05, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
Need an alien reboot
Don't worry, a PG13 installment is inevitable now. Enjoy.
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I think at this point it would be for the best. Look at where we are, Prometheus has basically been thrown away like it never happened and covenant was a soft reboot, that I think failed to do just that. It failed as a sequel to Prometheus and failed as a competent alien movie. Pretty yes, memorable no. The fact fox said they are unsure where to go from here and then said they trust Ridley will "find" where alien needs to go doesn't inspire confidence.
Alien is in a similar place that I think Star Wars prequels are, who also were prodeced by fox...hmm. Love or hate disneys direction with the Star Wars franchise at least it has a future now. There's excitement among fans, there's side story movies like rogue one and talks of a tv side story. Alien fans, myself at least, are not only deflated with the current trajectory but actually worried these will do permanent damage to an already battered franchise.
Alien, under foxs stewardship is in trouble. People need to realize this. Covenant underperformed as far as fox is concerned and if they let Ridley have his way with David being the creator of the alien I think that would be the nail in the coffin. Few franchises couldn't survive so many duds in a row since alien 3 which is a testament to the strength of the ip and the loyalty of the fans. Fox clearly has no idea where to take this franchise and I say Disney couldn't be any worse than where we are now.
Yes, definitely. I don't understand all this scepticism and hate for Disney. People forget that the best Star Wars films were thanks to the so called "perfect storms", and no thanks to just one talented man (just like in the first Alien). And to be honest, I strongly believe that Disney could have better plans for the Alien franchise, unlike FOX, which clearly does not seem to have a clear idea of where to go.
Disney ISN'T changing anything. One of the conditions for this merger is that nobody lose their job.
FOX CEOs are going to be the new Disney CEOs.
Disney owning Alien and Predator would be awful unless they release the movies under Touchstone Pictures. If they do that, we won't have to worry about it. Otherwise I really don't want another family friendly Alien/Predator movie. They already did a more family friendly movie with AVP back in 2004 and it didn't work.
Remove the swearing and ALIENS is PG-13, easily. Perfect for Disney.
I'm reading theories that they might keep Fox as a distribution platform for harder content, just like Touchstone.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 06, 2017, 09:37:12 PM
Remove the swearing and ALIENS is PG-13, easily. Perfect for Disney.
Ive often said that Aliens is a Disney movie. It was arguably the first of the so-called adult fairy tales. Listen to the music as the drop ship ascends to the Sulaco...
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 06, 2017, 09:37:12 PM
Remove the swearing and ALIENS is PG-13, easily. Perfect for Disney.
You still have a lot of blood and violence in the movie. Don't forget the themes in the movie too. Alien should always be R rated and the first AVP movie prove that a PG-13 can't work for both franchises. It would like making Freddy vs. Jason PG-13 or The Punisher be PG-13.
I know it won't happen but I hope Disney kicks Ridley Scott out of the Alien franchise before he turns it into an AI orgy.
Quote from: BlackMatter169 on Dec 07, 2017, 02:51:37 AM
I know it won't happen but I hope Disney kicks Ridley Scott out of the Alien franchise before he turns it into an AI orgy.
I doubt it happen. All majors, including Disney, admire and respect Ridley Scott.
I don't understand all of the anti-Ridley mentality over this.
If you don't like Prometheus and Covenant, hasn't the damage already been done?
What harm would it do if he makes one more movie and finishes his trilogy before they pass the series on to other directors?
I'd like Disney to reboot Alien and Predator and create a cool and integrated new universe, focusing more in the science fiction aspect than in horror. They could develop some cool mythology for the series, I'd love it.
I actually don't want a reboot.
I want them to give Sigourney Weaver a real ending. She had one but then they messed it up.
Or....just start a new trilogy like they did with Star Wars. No reboot, just new story.
I still rather had WB bought Fox instead of Disney. WB did wanted to own Fox a while back, but it never work out.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 07, 2017, 01:42:05 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 06, 2017, 09:37:12 PM
Remove the swearing and ALIENS is PG-13, easily. Perfect for Disney.
Ive often said that Aliens is a Disney movie. It was arguably the first of the so-called adult fairy tales. Listen to the music as the drop ship ascends to the Sulaco...
It does, yes. Like something Spielberg would make. Only slightly edgier.
There's hardly any blood and most of the violence is offscreen. It's mainly action and fast cutting. All the others at least have gore (except AVP) or intense sequences of body horror (Prometheus).
The goriest sequence in ALIENS is the chestburster but there's hardly any blood in that scene. And people complained about the bloodless chestburster in AVP, go figure.
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 07, 2017, 01:42:05 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 06, 2017, 09:37:12 PM
Remove the swearing and ALIENS is PG-13, easily. Perfect for Disney.
Ive often said that Aliens is a Disney movie. It was arguably the first of the so-called adult fairy tales. Listen to the music as the drop ship ascends to the Sulaco...
It does, yes. Like something Spielberg would make. Only slightly edgier.
There's hardly any blood and most of the violence is offscreen. It's mainly action and fast cutting. All the others at least have gore (except AVP) or intense sequences of body horror (Prometheus).
The goriest sequence in ALIENS is the chestburster but there's hardly any blood in that scene. And people complained about the bloodless chestburster in AVP, go figure.
You would be right, except you're purposely omitting a few other scenes of graphic violence and gore. Here is the small list -
• Frost's death by immolation.
• Crowes' death via shrapnel. Showing blood coming from the mouth of his corpse.
• Drake's Death by acid spray. Which is pretty damn graphic.
• Hudson getting his arm burned by acid.
• Ferro's death. Complete with a good amount of blood thrown into the cockpit.
• Attempted face-hugging of Ripley. With ovipositor/penis organ wagging around. Attempting to insert itself into her mouth and throat.
• Vasquez's leg gets acid burned.
• Hicks gets sprayed with acid on his face, as well as as his chest and arm are burnt.
I'm sure I might have missed some other instances. None of that is PG-13 even without the swearing included. You seem to be under the impression that every Alien movie needs copious amounts of gore for it to be a true Alien movie.
What you neglect to realize is that even A L I E N wasn't a mindless splatter fest. In fact, save for the chest bursting scene. None of the other deaths ever touch that level of gore and violence again. Brett's death is a quick cut, Dallas' death is never shown, Ash doesn't count because he's an Android, Parker is the closest to prolonged gore we get since the chest bursted scene and Lambert's death is again not shown and what DOES happen is left unexplained.
As James Cameron said ( and I'm paraphrasing.) " You don't create fear with gore. You create disgust ". A L I E N 3 is the only film in the series that uses excessive gore in it's story. Even Prometheus doesn't have that much gore. Covenant would be the most recent example of Alien 3 levels of gore. Which didn't much matter ultimately due to it being less than a success at the box office.
So its pretty much official and confirmed disney now owns alien and predator and all other fox franchises?!
Damn it, very bad news and now I can give up all hope on having new adult and sexual themed and horror movies made but more family friendly and for younger people. I think the company is disney, they soon own everything -.-
I doubt disney would make scary horror movies like alien was and alien 3, aliens is more friendly but its sexual and war themes I doubt disney would allow for or swearing etc.
Havent seen disney releasing movies like that or the thing or other classic horror movies.
The AVP movies they can take since those are aimed for younger kids who argue about predator or alien is strongest and fanflaming. Although I wish they were never in the same universe,,,,
Seen some say disney make 18+ movies and horror ones, please name a few then? I cant think on any from disney.
Star wars isnt, pretty kid friendly movies.
Pirates of the carabien, also kids friendly
what more? Most others are also kid friendly and barely bloody or scary to watch.
f**k this.
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Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 07, 2017, 09:54:43 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 07, 2017, 01:42:05 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 06, 2017, 09:37:12 PM
Remove the swearing and ALIENS is PG-13, easily. Perfect for Disney.
Ive often said that Aliens is a Disney movie. It was arguably the first of the so-called adult fairy tales. Listen to the music as the drop ship ascends to the Sulaco...
It does, yes. Like something Spielberg would make. Only slightly edgier.
There's hardly any blood and most of the violence is offscreen. It's mainly action and fast cutting. All the others at least have gore (except AVP) or intense sequences of body horror (Prometheus).
The goriest sequence in ALIENS is the chestburster but there's hardly any blood in that scene. And people complained about the bloodless chestburster in AVP, go figure.
You would be right, except you're purposely omitting a few other scenes of graphic violence and gore. Here is the small list -
• Frost's death by immolation.
• Crowes' death via shrapnel. Showing blood coming from the mouth of his corpse.
• Drake's Death by acid spray. Which is pretty damn graphic.
• Hudson getting his arm burned by acid.
• Ferro's death. Complete with a good amount of blood thrown into the cockpit.
• Attempted face-hugging of Ripley. With ovipositor/penis organ wagging around. Attempting to insert itself into her mouth and throat.
• Vasquez's leg gets acid burned.
• Hicks gets sprayed with acid on his face, as well as as his chest and arm are burnt.
I'm sure I might have missed some other instances. None of that is PG-13 even without the swearing included. You seem to be under the impression that every Alien movie needs copious amounts of gore for it to be a true Alien movie.
What you neglect to realize is that even A L I E N wasn't a mindless splatter fest. In fact, save for the chest bursting scene. None of the other deaths ever touch that level of gore and violence again. Brett's death is a quick cut, Dallas' death is never shown, Ash doesn't count because he's an Android, Parker is the closest to prolonged gore we get since the chest bursted scene and Lambert's death is again not shown and what DOES happen is left unexplained.
As James Cameron said ( and I'm paraphrasing.) " You don't create fear with gore. You create disgust ". A L I E N 3 is the only film in the series that uses excessive gore in it's story. Even Prometheus doesn't have that much gore. Covenant would be the most recent example of Alien 3 levels of gore. Which didn't much matter ultimately due to it being less than a success at the box office.
To say nothing of the fact Scorpio deliberately - and predictably - lied about the comparison between Aliens and AvP chestbursters in the first place.
Quote from: judge death on Dec 07, 2017, 06:40:22 PMDamn it, very bad news and now I can give up all hope on having new adult and sexual themed and horror movies made but more family friendly and for younger people. I think the company is disney, they soon own everything -.-
I don't feel bad about that. Covenant had adult and sexual themes and horror... and it completely sucked. It was GARBAGE... oh, well... maybe for some people it wasn't garbage, but it was a divisive film nonetheless, both between the casual audience and the fans.
First I want the movie to be GOOD, then the horror and sex and gore is accessory.
So far, Disney's been doing a great job overseeing the Star Wars and Marvel movies, I have no doubt they can do a better job making Alien and Predator movies than Fox's beein doing.
For a MAJORITY of PEOPLE is wasn't GARBAGE.
Quote from: SM on Dec 07, 2017, 07:57:16 PM
For a MAJORITY of PEOPLE is wasn't GARBAGE.
Yep, me and some other fans of alien movies liked it a lot more than prometheus and actually like the movie, especially when you could understand it and that david didnt create the xeno as many fans seems to think and the adult xeno was more a prototype david tested out, and a lot of other things that I dont have the time to write down, liked it explored the lore more and the new creatures were quite interesting too.
As some movie critics said: the plot and story was way better than prometheus too, I agree.
Covenant was garbage
::) Thanks for the input.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Dec 07, 2017, 06:10:39 PM
You would be right, except you're purposely omitting a few other scenes of graphic violence and gore. Here is the small list -
• Frost's death by immolation.
• Crowes' death via shrapnel. Showing blood coming from the mouth of his corpse.
• Drake's Death by acid spray. Which is pretty damn graphic.
• Hudson getting his arm burned by acid.
• Ferro's death. Complete with a good amount of blood thrown into the cockpit.
• Attempted face-hugging of Ripley. With ovipositor/penis organ wagging around. Attempting to insert itself into her mouth and throat.
• Vasquez's leg gets acid burned.
• Hicks gets sprayed with acid on his face, as well as as his chest and arm are burnt.
I'm sure I might have missed some other instances. None of that is PG-13 even without the swearing included. You seem to be under the impression that every Alien movie needs copious amounts of gore for it to be a true Alien movie.
All those scenes you mentioned are very brief and not explicit. Aliens has no gore. Some blood and action violence, but no gore.
QuoteWhat you neglect to realize is that even A L I E N wasn't a mindless splatter fest. In fact, save for the chest bursting scene. None of the other deaths ever touch that level of gore and violence again. Brett's death is a quick cut, Dallas' death is never shown, Ash doesn't count because he's an Android, Parker is the closest to prolonged gore we get since the chest bursted scene and Lambert's death is again not shown and what DOES happen is left unexplained.
A L I E N is on a more adult level, but the chestburster scene alone is among the most goriest/disturbing scene in the whole series.
QuoteAs James Cameron said ( and I'm paraphrasing.) " You don't create fear with gore. You create disgust ".
That's his opinion..
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Dec 07, 2017, 09:23:26 PM
Covenant was garbage
It has to be in all caps or it doesn't count.
Full stops are optional.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 07, 2017, 10:09:38 PM
That's his opinion..
It's a common one, and a fairly universally held opinion among successful film makers in horror for a reason. Gore does and can cause fear, more likely it'll cause horror, revulsion, and disgust.
It wasn't the gore in The Fly that scared me. It was the idea of having your body forcefully transformed from the inside out and having to experience that. It was watching Seth almost completely lose his humanity by the end. The gore effects made me ill the first time I saw it.
What causes fear then? Boo scares?
You say that gore causes horror, revulsion and disgust. It is supposed to be a HORROR MOVIE.
It's not a Disney movie. Oh wait.. Be careful what you wish for.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 07, 2017, 10:47:27 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 07, 2017, 10:09:38 PM
That's his opinion..
It's a common one, and a fairly universally held opinion among successful film makers in horror for a reason. Gore does and can cause fear, more likely it'll cause horror, revulsion, and disgust.
It wasn't the gore in The Fly that scared me. It was the idea of having your body forcefully transformed from the inside out and having to experience that. It was watching Seth almost completely lose his humanity by the end. The gore effects made me ill the first time I saw it.
Yep. Excessive gore can very easily descend into either comedy or nausea inducing revulsion - neither of which is very scary. It's the most effective is short punches. The visions of hell in Event Horizon work in that regard. You freeze frame those shots and you start treading into revulsion territory. Or comedy if you don't find the effects convincing.
Gore isn't scary at all. It's the moments before the gore that are scary. That's where the fear is. The sensation that something bad is about to or could happen. The actual moment of displayed gore is the release of that fearful tension.
Depends on how the gore is done. Peter Jackson's Braindead uses gore in a funny way. The gore in Alien is realistic and shocking. Also disturbing to think about the implications of having something burst out of your chest. All depends on filmmaker's intentions.
But yes, you can do a scary scene without gore. That doesn't mean that gore = disgust only.
well, i fear that they let the franchises die -which sadly, it might be a good thing at this point unless they get their shit togheter- or they will overboard mainstream movies, i would like to see a GOOD avp movie before i die tought, that would be nice but i dont expect it from disney, which is also gonna ruin the x men now
Quote from: SM on Dec 07, 2017, 07:57:16 PM
For a MAJORITY of PEOPLE is wasn't GARBAGE.
If it had been so good, it would have made more money XDD
Non sequitur.
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 07, 2017, 07:52:52 PM
First I want the movie to be GOOD, then the horror and sex and gore is accessory.
The horror and gore helps make the movies good. Alien movies need to have a dark and scary tone to them. PG-13 horror movies are garbage 99% of the time expect for Drag Me to Hell.
Children's movies can be scary but Alien shouldn't be a movie for children. But I'm afraid that's what it is going to become. Alien Covenant is a dark, gory movie for adults and it didn't make much money. If Disney get hold of it they will just churn out endless kid friendly movies with fast paced action to keep all those ritalin-addled teens limited attention spans. Gore is a staple of the Alien franchise given that the chestburster scene in A L I E N is one of the most infamous gore scenes in history.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 08, 2017, 02:32:32 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 07, 2017, 07:52:52 PM
First I want the movie to be GOOD, then the horror and sex and gore is accessory.
The horror and gore helps make the movies good. Alien movies need to have a dark and scary tone to them. PG-13 horror movies are garbage 99% of the time expect for Drag Me to Hell.
I prefer the sci-fi aspect of Aliens than the horror aspect. If Disney focuses the reboot in the science fiction part I'm gonna love it.
Alien Covenant didn't make much money due to mixed word of mouth. Make good movies, you make good money out of them. Mad Max 4, Deadpool, Kingsman, John Wick and a few others did really well at the box office due to good word of mouth and good marketing. Alien Covenant had good marketing, but mixed word of mouth.
They just need to make a good movie again.
The bad word of mouth was because of fans mad that it isn't Aliens.
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 07, 2017, 03:56:41 AM
I'd like Disney to reboot Alien and Predator and create a cool and integrated new universe, focusing more in the science fiction aspect than in horror. They could develop some cool mythology for the series, I'd love it.
Disney isn't capable of making 3 masterpieces: Alien(1979), Aliens and Predator(1987).
All Disney Marvel and Disney Star Wars are mediocre in terms of quality.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Dec 08, 2017, 03:45:27 AM
Alien Covenant didn't make much money due to mixed word of mouth. Make good movies, you make good money out of them. Mad Max 4, Deadpool, Kingsman, John Wick and a few others did really well at the box office due to good word of mouth and good marketing. Alien Covenant had good marketing, but mixed word of mouth.
They just need to make a good movie again.
Fury Road budget to grosses ratio was almost the same as Covenant.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 08, 2017, 04:29:24 AM
The bad word of mouth was because of fans mad that it isn't Aliens.
I'm sorry but fans don't make these kinds of movies successful, but whatever you want to keep telling yourself.
Adult content should not be a problem for Disney as Miramax produced films containing that.
Miramax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miramax#Disney_era_(1993%E2%80%932010))
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Dec 08, 2017, 05:22:06 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 08, 2017, 04:29:24 AM
The bad word of mouth was because of fans mad that it isn't Aliens.
I'm sorry but fans don't make these kinds of movies successful, but whatever you want to keep telling yourself.
Almost every youtuber "fan" had a meltdown like you over the lack of an action movie out of Covenant. Youtubers are more effective at spreading word of mouth than critics by far.
Lol ok
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 08, 2017, 09:36:38 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Dec 08, 2017, 05:22:06 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 08, 2017, 04:29:24 AM
The bad word of mouth was because of fans mad that it isn't Aliens.
I'm sorry but fans don't make these kinds of movies successful, but whatever you want to keep telling yourself.
Almost every youtuber "fan" had a meltdown like you over the lack of an action movie out of Covenant. Youtubers are more effective at spreading word of mouth than critics by far.
Yep, saw angry joe and some other youtubers who said they are fans and yet they only talked about they wanted a aliens movie with marines and action and the whole black goo and davids experimental copy of the xeno was then mistaken as david created the original xenomorphs and then ranted on how the queen fits in etc, while myself who reads the novels and everything had no such issues. But yes: most so called fans only wants Aliens part 2.
Quote from: monkeylove on Dec 08, 2017, 06:58:09 AM
Adult content should not be a problem for Disney as Miramax produced films containing that.
Miramax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miramax#Disney_era_(1993%E2%80%932010))
None of the movies they made have a dark or sinister themes or created one single horror movie classic like the thing or jaws etc. Most likely they make a action movie like pulp fiction mixed with how they remade the star wars world and movies. Sigh.
Quote from: judge death on Dec 08, 2017, 06:50:31 PM
None of the movies they made have a dark or sinister themes or created one single horror movie classic like the thing or jaws etc. Most likely they make a action movie like pulp fiction mixed with how they remade the star wars world and movies. Sigh.
Pulp Fiction is good enough, together with
Kill Bill and others.
Quote from: monkeylove on Dec 09, 2017, 03:35:28 AM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 08, 2017, 06:50:31 PM
None of the movies they made have a dark or sinister themes or created one single horror movie classic like the thing or jaws etc. Most likely they make a action movie like pulp fiction mixed with how they remade the star wars world and movies. Sigh.
Pulp Fiction is good enough, together with Kill Bill and others.
For action movies yes but horror and dark themed and gore alien movies I highly doubt that.
Quote from: judge death on Dec 09, 2017, 08:26:20 AM
For action movies yes but horror and dark themed and gore alien movies I highly doubt that.
Those action movies involve gore, excessive violence, and ideas more complex than horror, such as absurdity. Add to this the diversity of fare released by that outfit, and it would be very easy to come up with simple fare like those in the
Alien franchise.
It's cognitive dissonance, until a Disney owned R-rated Alien is released, very few will actually bother to look further than the "Disney is for kids" stereotype.
I mean a simple example to try and get folks to understand is putting the Punisher movies next to the Disney owned Punisher Netflix series, for kids, right?
Remember when everyone was afraid that Disney wouldn't keep the serious Star Wars undertones?
Has anyone seen the recent Punisher series on Netflix? That is a Disney property. There should be no worries about Disney.... unless you're trying to start your own company off the ground to compete with them, in which case, you're screwed.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 08, 2017, 04:29:24 AM
The bad word of mouth was because of fans mad that it isn't Aliens.
No. Not even remotely so.
Quote from: judge death on Dec 08, 2017, 06:50:31 PM
Yep, saw angry joe and some other youtubers who said they are fans and yet they only talked about they wanted a aliens movie with marines and action and the whole black goo and davids experimental copy of the xeno was then mistaken as david created the original xenomorphs and then ranted on how the queen fits in etc, while myself who reads the novels and everything had no such issues. But yes: most so called fans only wants Aliens part 2.
That isn't what Angry Joe said at all. His primary complaint was that it completely torpedoed the mystery of the Alien and made it, essentially, a non-Alien science experiment. His complaints against the film had nothing to do with it not being another Aliens. In point of fact he said it felt like the movie couldn't make up it's mind on which side of the fence it wanted to be.
So no. You guys can stop trying to pin the success or failure on this supposed swarm of fans who hated A:C because it wasn't "Aliens 2." There is no such beast. You're talking about a very small minority of the fan base, and the fan base AS A WHOLE still isn't an effective number of people to hold to having that kind of effectiveness against the box office. No movie is made "for the fans." They're made to be consumed by millions of people who may never have even seen a film before.
The Alien/Predator films won't be affected by this surely. There's what like 8 major film studios who can afford the rights? Whoever has the films will just give them 'safe' scripts with summer blockbuster plots and explosive CG third acts. I wish studios would treat franchise films with some more confidence.
Off topic but I wonder what an Alfonso Cuaron directed Alien movie might be like.
IF Disney buys the Fox movie assets then yes Alien and Predator will be affected.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 09, 2017, 09:31:04 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 08, 2017, 04:29:24 AM
The bad word of mouth was because of fans mad that it isn't Aliens.
No. Not even remotely so.
Quote from: judge death on Dec 08, 2017, 06:50:31 PM
Yep, saw angry joe and some other youtubers who said they are fans and yet they only talked about they wanted a aliens movie with marines and action and the whole black goo and davids experimental copy of the xeno was then mistaken as david created the original xenomorphs and then ranted on how the queen fits in etc, while myself who reads the novels and everything had no such issues. But yes: most so called fans only wants Aliens part 2.
That isn't what Angry Joe said at all. His primary complaint was that it completely torpedoed the mystery of the Alien and made it, essentially, a non-Alien science experiment. His complaints against the film had nothing to do with it not being another Aliens. In point of fact he said it felt like the movie couldn't make up it's mind on which side of the fence it wanted to be.
So no. You guys can stop trying to pin the success or failure on this supposed swarm of fans who hated A:C because it wasn't "Aliens 2." There is no such beast. You're talking about a very small minority of the fan base, and the fan base AS A WHOLE still isn't an effective number of people to hold to having that kind of effectiveness against the box office. No movie is made "for the fans." They're made to be consumed by millions of people who may never have even seen a film before.
lol
He literally opened his review by wearing a space marine costume with a pulse rifle from ALIENS. It's clear he wanted ALIENS 2, bud. If that doesn't show the bias, I don't know what does.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 09, 2017, 09:31:04 PM
So no. You guys can stop trying to pin the success or failure on this supposed swarm of fans who hated A:C because it wasn't "Aliens 2." There is no such beast. You're talking about a very small minority of the fan base, and the fan base AS A WHOLE still isn't an effective number of people to hold to having that kind of effectiveness against the box office. No movie is made "for the fans." They're made to be consumed by millions of people who may never have even seen a film before.
I felt the same way, too, even for franchises like
Star Trek and even
Mad Max. That is, most of the audience is from different countries, and likely young, such that they barely know about the earlier movies. That's probably why the recent films for this and other franchises are generally alike: more than two hours long, lots of spectacle and action (plus reliance on A-listers if possible) to make the movie look expensive and thus worth watching on the big screen (both in the theater and at home) as well as to justify high ticket prices, lots of content and cardboard cutout characters to make the stories understandable across various cultures, and borrowing from earlier films (clearly seen in A:C,
Mad Max: Fury Road, and even the first new
Star Wars movie) and focusing heavily on prequels, sequels, reboots, and remakes to speed up development time, etc.
However, it's possible that at some point the industry may implode due to high risks coupled with over-saturation.
Im a little worried about what this could mean for neca and darkhorse. :-\
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 10, 2017, 05:01:04 AM
Im a little worried about what this could mean for neca and darkhorse. :-\
Haven't thought about that. Yeah, that concerns me more then the movies to be honest. :'( The movies are few and far in between. But the comics and especially the figures come in regular intervals. Please Disney, don't touch neca's and darkhorse's licence.
Alien and Predator comics to Marvel
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 10, 2017, 01:16:20 AM
lol
He literally opened his review by wearing a space marine costume with a pulse rifle from ALIENS. It's clear he wanted ALIENS 2, bud. If that doesn't show the bias, I don't know what does.
A picture is worth a thousand words:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cAQGAOPu1k0/hqdefault.jpg)
lol
QuoteThe Twentieth Century Fox television studio would be kept busy producing shows for Disney-owned streaming services, as well as for other outlets, people with knowledge of the deal talks said.
But it isn't clear how Disney would integrate the Fox movie studio, which is ranked fourth at the domestic box office this year, with hits including "Logan" and "Kingsman: The Golden Circle" and disappointments such as "Alien: Covenant" and "Snatched."
Some people close to the deal talks said Twentieth Century Fox could become a production label within the Walt Disney Studios, akin to Pixar and Marvel. In that scenario, Fox operations such as theatrical and home-video distribution would likely be cut back, resulting in job losses among the studio's approximately 3,200 employees.
Fox under Disney would likely make fewer movies, further reducing the number of releases from traditional Hollywood studios at a time when Netflix and Amazon are aggressively expanding their film output, primarily for their streaming platforms, these people said. The six major studios released 139 films last year compared with 189 in 2007, according to the Motion Picture Association of America.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney-deal-for-fox-would-end-era-of-the-big-six-studios-1512907201
Looks like Comcast has decided against acquiring any of Fox's assets, that makes Disney the single potential buyer.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/11/comcast-drops-bid-for-fox-assets-leaving-disney-as-sole-suitor.html
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2017, 02:07:23 PM
QuoteThe Twentieth Century Fox television studio would be kept busy producing shows for Disney-owned streaming services, as well as for other outlets, people with knowledge of the deal talks said.
But it isn't clear how Disney would integrate the Fox movie studio, which is ranked fourth at the domestic box office this year, with hits including "Logan" and "Kingsman: The Golden Circle" and disappointments such as "Alien: Covenant" and "Snatched."
Some people close to the deal talks said Twentieth Century Fox could become a production label within the Walt Disney Studios, akin to Pixar and Marvel. In that scenario, Fox operations such as theatrical and home-video distribution would likely be cut back, resulting in job losses among the studio's approximately 3,200 employees.
Fox under Disney would likely make fewer movies, further reducing the number of releases from traditional Hollywood studios at a time when Netflix and Amazon are aggressively expanding their film output, primarily for their streaming platforms, these people said. The six major studios released 139 films last year compared with 189 in 2007, according to the Motion Picture Association of America.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney-deal-for-fox-would-end-era-of-the-big-six-studios-1512907201
The landscape of video entertainment is really changing. Less and less people are willing to go out to the movies unless it's a widely anticipated release. Streaming services and shows dominate today's entertainment. Who knows, perhaps the next iteration we see of these franchises will be part of such streaming services.
It sucks as I've always been a movie aficionado, and I do think movies themselves will see more releasing online rather than in theaters. But the less big companies we have funding films, the less likely we'll see bold creative visions with any sizable budgets behind them.
I think the ideal scenario (other than this deal just not being approved by the government for being too big of a merger, which is unlikely under the Trump Administration) is having Fox operate independently under Disney as a more adult-oriented production company similar to Touchstone Pictures. If the Fox label is dissolved, it might be possible that the Alien, Predator, and AVP franchises move to Touchstone itself.
The bigger returns are always going to be in cinema releases.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/fox-deal-is-said-coming-within-days-giving-murdoch-disney-stake
I saw the same thing Comcast is out. I think we should start getting ready for this to happen.
Disney overlords
Newt is going to become a Disney Princess.. :laugh:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/12/fox-disney-on-glide-path-for-thursday-deal-announcement-sources.html
Quote21st Century Fox and Disney are on a "glide path" for a Thursday deal announcement, sources familiar with the deal said.
Via Samus007.
Ridley is gonna make the last prequel and then Bad Robot will try to get their hands on the Alien Franchise.
This is 100% the type of stuff that JJ Abrams would love to do.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Dec 10, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
Alien and Predator comics to Marvel
Hmm, yeah wow. I never even thought about that. Wonder what all this really would mean for Darkhorse. And NECA as others have pointed out.
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 12, 2017, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Dec 10, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
Alien and Predator comics to Marvel
Hmm, yeah wow. I never even thought about that. Wonder what all this really would mean for Darkhorse. And NECA as others have pointed out.
Probably nothing until the license is up for renewal, then it would depend on how the hierarchy of Disney owned Fox decide to go about things. If the structure doesn't change, or if Marvel doesn't want the IPs for their own comic brand, then it's possible that any partnerships like with Darkhorse and NECA may not be affected.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 12, 2017, 03:03:33 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/12/fox-disney-on-glide-path-for-thursday-deal-announcement-sources.html
Quote21st Century Fox and Disney are on a "glide path" for a Thursday deal announcement, sources familiar with the deal said.
Via Samus007.
The beginning of the end...
(https://i.imgur.com/Kh3ovrf.gif)
Some of you are acting like Disney wont revitalize this franchise and award it an enormous budget that it deserves.
Why would an Alien movie need a $200 million budget again?
And why would Disney care about a franchise whose last entry made $240 million? That's chump change to Disney.
You mean like Ang Lee's Hulk?
That's the greatest concern for me. I just hope they don't put it on ice because it's not a superhero franchise, it's R rated horror sci-fi and maybe it's not a big enough player for them, profit wise. I hope that's not the case. It all depends on their expectations and plans.
Hopefully dark horse keep the licence and the franchise gets on track
Disney probably will sell the rights off to other parties, like new line cinema or blumhouse or something like that.
And we will finally have that cheap direct to video alien sequels we always wanted.
Who wants that?
Every chance Disney shakes this franchise up, makes more movies and generally reinvigorates where Fox has lost focus.
Quote from: Morse on Dec 13, 2017, 07:56:39 PM
Who wants that?
Every chance Disney shakes this franchise up, makes more movies and generally reinvigorates where Fox has lost focus.
Glad someone else sees this. Disney would be insane to sell off a big brand name such as AvP or
any serious action/horror title Fox owns.
Quote from: Gate on Dec 13, 2017, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: Morse on Dec 13, 2017, 07:56:39 PM
Who wants that?
Every chance Disney shakes this franchise up, makes more movies and generally reinvigorates where Fox has lost focus.
Glad someone else sees this. Disney would be insane to sell off a big brand name such as AvP or any serious action/horror title Fox owns.
Disney has ALIEN in it's Hollywood Studios ride, and at one point were going to have a ride called Nostromo, an Alien themed ride in Tomorrowland (before it was changed to Alien Encounter). They know this franchise has worth to it, just as they recognized comic book films which had sucked in the past, could be retooled to be mega franchises.
If Disney can nab someone like who knows how to steer the Alien franchise like Kevin Feige with Marvel, then we could see some pretty great Alien films in the future. Maybe finally some ones that bring us back to pulse rifles, dropships, and the USCM, but with a Disney budget.
And as stated before I don't think theme park rides are out of the question.
And who knows, maybe Disney will see the benefit of putting more money towards Alien and Predator based video games.
I'm cautiously optimistic, but I doubt we're going to see any immediate decisions. Probably the effects of this purchase on the two franchises won't be seen for a few more years.
Quote from: newbeing on Dec 14, 2017, 03:28:46 AM
If Disney can nab someone like who knows how to steer the Alien franchise like Kevin Feige with Marvel, then we could see some pretty great Alien films in the future.
If by "great" you mean generic garbage.. :)
I prefer 'generic garbage' over Alien: Covenant any day.
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 05:00:20 AM
I prefer 'generic garbage' over Alien: Covenant any day.
It's good to see posters like you support corporate conglomerates such as Disney at the expense of everything else. I mean, why not? They're literally going to own everything in ten years.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 14, 2017, 04:10:01 AM
Quote from: newbeing on Dec 14, 2017, 03:28:46 AM
If Disney can nab someone like who knows how to steer the Alien franchise like Kevin Feige with Marvel, then we could see some pretty great Alien films in the future.
If by "great" you mean generic garbage.. :)
Do you consider ALIENS do be garbage because it was both critically and financially successful, as well as appealing to general audiences?
Like them or not, but Disney has succeeded at building upon successful franchises in a way that ensures they prosper. I wish Fox could have too, but with regard to ALIEN they were really just throwing stuff at the wall to see what stuck, with dwindling success.
I hate that Disney is absorbing all these properties. It's a monopoly and probably bad in many ways, but from a purely entertainment standpoint, I would rather the series be passed to a studio that knows what it's doing. Universal screwed the pooch on it's Dark Universe out the gate, and WB has been struggling hard with it's DCEU. Disney could very well f**k up in the future, but currently they're sitting rather pretty with two huge properties.
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 14, 2017, 06:15:27 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 05:00:20 AM
I prefer 'generic garbage' over Alien: Covenant any day.
It's good to see posters like you support corporate conglomerates such as Disney at the expense of everything else. I mean, why not? They're literally going to own everything in ten years.
News Corp isn't a corporate conglomerate?
If they ever make changes in the franchise, it will only be because that's what viewers worldwide want.
The view from Bloody Disgusting...
http://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3474539/happens-disney-gets-hold-alien-franchise/
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 14, 2017, 06:15:27 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 05:00:20 AM
I prefer 'generic garbage' over Alien: Covenant any day.
It's good to see posters like you support corporate conglomerates such as Disney at the expense of everything else. I mean, why not? They're literally going to own everything in ten years.
I support movies I like, that's all.
Quote from: Russ on Dec 14, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
The view from Bloody Disgusting...
http://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3474539/happens-disney-gets-hold-alien-franchise/
Just focus it in the sci-fi mythology of these series. Disney already has a cinematic universe under their umbrella, I hope they can do a new great epic creating an AVP Cinematic Universe.
It's official.
QuoteThe Walt Disney Company and Twenty-First Century Fox, Inc. today announced that they have entered into a definitive agreement for Disney to acquire 21st Century Fox, including the Twentieth Century Fox Film and Television studios, along with cable and international TV businesses, for approximately $52.4 billion in stock (subject to adjustment). Building on Disney's commitment to deliver the highest quality branded entertainment, the acquisition of these complementary assets would allow Disney to create more appealing content, build more direct relationships with consumers around the world and deliver a more compelling entertainment experience to consumers wherever and however they choose. Immediately prior to the acquisition, 21st Century Fox will separate the Fox Broadcasting network and stations, Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, FS1, FS2 and Big Ten Network into a newly listed company that will be spun off to its shareholders.
Under the terms of the agreement, shareholders of 21st Century Fox will receive 0.2745 Disney shares for each 21st Century Fox share they hold (subject to adjustment for certain tax liabilities as described below). The exchange ratio was set based on a 30-day volume weighted average price of Disney stock. Disney will also assume approximately $13.7 billion of net debt of 21st Century Fox. The acquisition price implies a total equity value of approximately $52.4 billion and a total transaction value of approximately $66.1 billion (in each case based on the stated exchange ratio assuming no adjustment) for the business to be acquired by Disney, which includes consolidated assets along with a number of equity investments.
Popular Entertainment Properties to Join Disney Family
Combining with Disney are 21st Century Fox's critically acclaimed film production businesses, including Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight Pictures and Fox 2000, which together offer diverse and compelling storytelling businesses and are the homes of Avatar, X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool, as well as The Grand Budapest Hotel, Hidden Figures, Gone Girl, The Shape of Water and The Martian—and its storied television creative units, Twentieth Century Fox Television, FX Productions and Fox21, which have brought The Americans, This Is Us, Modern Family, The Simpsons and so many more hit TV series to viewers across the globe. Disney will also acquire FX Networks, National Geographic Partners, Fox Sports Regional Networks, Fox Networks Group International, Star India and Fox's interests in Hulu, Sky plc, Tata Sky and Endemol Shine Group.
"The acquisition of this stellar collection of businesses from 21st Century Fox reflects the increasing consumer demand for a rich diversity of entertainment experiences that are more compelling, accessible and convenient than ever before," said Robert A. Iger, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, The Walt Disney Company. "We're honored and grateful that Rupert Murdoch has entrusted us with the future of businesses he spent a lifetime building, and we're excited about this extraordinary opportunity to significantly increase our portfolio of well-loved franchises and branded content to greatly enhance our growing direct-to-consumer offerings. The deal will also substantially expand our international reach, allowing us to offer world-class storytelling and innovative distribution platforms to more consumers in key markets around the world."
"We are extremely proud of all that we have built at 21st Century Fox, and I firmly believe that this combination with Disney will unlock even more value for shareholders as the new Disney continues to set the pace in what is an exciting and dynamic industry," said Rupert Murdoch, Executive Chairman of 21st Century Fox. "Furthermore, I'm convinced that this combination, under Bob Iger's leadership, will be one of the greatest companies in the world. I'm grateful and encouraged that Bob has agreed to stay on, and is committed to succeeding with a combined team that is second to none."
At the request of both 21st Century Fox and the Disney Board of Directors, Mr. Iger has agreed to continue as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of The Walt Disney Company through the end of calendar year 2021.
"When considering this strategic acquisition, it was important to the Board that Bob remain as Chairman and CEO through 2021 to provide the vision and proven leadership required to successfully complete and integrate such a massive, complex undertaking," said Orin C. Smith, Lead Independent Director of the Disney Board. "We share the belief of our counterparts at 21st Century Fox that extending his tenure is in the best interests of our company and our shareholders, and will be critical to Disney's ability to effectively drive long-term value from this extraordinary acquisition."
Benefits to Consumers
The acquisition will enable Disney to accelerate its use of innovative technologies, including its BAMTECH platform, to create more ways for its storytellers to entertain and connect directly with audiences while providing more choices for how they consume content. The complementary offerings of each company enhance Disney's development of films, television programming and related products to provide consumers with a more enjoyable and immersive entertainment experience.
Bringing on board 21st Century Fox's entertainment content and capabilities, along with its broad international footprint and a world-class team of managers and storytellers, will allow Disney to further its efforts to provide a more compelling entertainment experience through its direct-to-consumer (DTC) offerings. This transaction will enable Disney's recently announced Disney and ESPN-branded DTC offerings, as well as Hulu, to create more appealing and engaging experiences, delivering content, entertainment and sports to consumers around the world wherever and however they want to enjoy it.
The agreement also provides Disney with the opportunity to reunite the X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool with the Marvel family under one roof and create richer, more complex worlds of inter-related characters and stories that audiences have shown they love. The addition of Avatar to its family of films also promises expanded opportunities for consumers to watch and experience storytelling within these extraordinary fantasy worlds. Already, guests at Disney's Animal Kingdom Park at Walt Disney World Resort can experience the magic of Pandora—The World of Avatar, a new land inspired by the Fox film franchise that opened earlier this year. And through the incredible storytelling of National Geographic—whose mission is to explore and protect our planet and inspire new generations through education initiatives and resources—Disney will be able to offer more ways than ever before to bring kids and families the world and all that is in it.
Enhancing Disney's Worldwide Offerings
Adding 21st Century Fox's premier international properties enhances Disney's position as a truly global entertainment company with authentic local production and consumer services across high-growth regions, including a richer array of local, national and global sporting events that ESPN can make available to fans around the world. The transaction boosts Disney's international revenue mix and exposure.
Disney's international reach would greatly expand through the addition of Sky, which serves nearly 23 million households in the UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria and Italy; Fox Networks International, with more than 350 channels in 170 countries; and Star India, which operates 69 channels reaching 720 million viewers a month across India and more than 100 other countries.
Prior to the close of the transaction, it is anticipated that 21st Century Fox will seek to complete its planned acquisition of the 61% of Sky it doesn't already own. Sky is one of Europe's most successful pay television and creative enterprises with innovative and high-quality direct-to-consumer platforms, resonant brands and a strong and respected leadership team. 21st Century Fox remains fully committed to completing the current Sky offer and anticipates that, subject to the necessary regulatory consents, the transaction will close by June 30, 2018. Assuming 21st Century Fox completes its acquisition of Sky prior to closing of the transaction, The Walt Disney Company would assume full ownership of Sky, including the assumption of its outstanding debt, upon closing.
Transaction Highlights
The acquisition is expected to yield at least $2 billion in cost savings from efficiencies realized through the combination of businesses, and to be accretive to earnings before the impact of purchase accounting for the second fiscal year after the close of the transaction.
Terms of the transaction call for Disney to issue approximately 515 million new shares to 21st Century Fox shareholders, representing approximately a 25% stake in Disney on a pro forma basis. The per share consideration is subject to adjustment for certain tax liabilities arising from the spinoff and other transactions related to the acquisition. The initial exchange ratio of 0.2745 Disney shares for each 21st Century Fox share was set based on an estimate of such tax liabilities to be covered by an $8.5 billion cash dividend to 21st Century Fox from the company to be spun off. The exchange ratio will be adjusted immediately prior to closing of the acquisition based on an updated estimate of such tax liabilities. Such adjustment could increase or decrease the exchange ratio, depending upon whether the final estimate is lower or higher, respectively, than the initial estimate. However, if the final estimate of the tax liabilities is lower than the initial estimate, the first $2 billion of that adjustment will instead be made by net reduction in the amount of the cash dividend to 21st Century Fox from the company to be spun off. The amount of such tax liabilities will depend upon several factors, including tax rates in effect at the time of closing as well as the value of the company to be spun off.
The Boards of Directors of Disney and 21st Century Fox have approved the transaction, which is subject to shareholder approval by 21st Century Fox and Disney shareholders, clearance under the Hart-Scott-Rodino Antitrust Improvements Act, a number of other non-United States merger and other regulatory reviews, and other customary closing conditions.
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/906543-breaking-disney-buys-20th-century-fox-and-20th-century-fox-television#3FYzCFexj5DMKbmV.99
It is nice that the X-Men and the Fantastic Four can now be brought into the Marvel Cinematic Universe (if they want to).
You have to admit Disney has been making quality movies over the last few years. So if the franchise stays at the house of mouse then I am ok with it (unless they turn it to a PG-13 thing)
However the problem here is the fact it's a known rated R franchise, and I don't see Disney doing anything but selling it off. So i am pretty concerned about this because i'm worried the franchise might end up with a garbage company. Like a direct to video manufacturer or even dare i say it Netflix.....in fact i could see Netflix going after it if the price is right. The Duffer Brothers would totally jump at the chance to be involved with an Alien story. (Stranger Things is at times a carbon copy of Aliens)
So let's hope they sell it off to a good company. Please don't just sit on it though. Also I'm not interested in a PG-13 Deadpool movie just like I'm not interested in a PG-13 Alien movie.
If only resurrection had guessed that Disney would be the corporate sponge that absorbed WY.
Well if an Alien remake/full on reboot were ever to happen this seems like the most likely stimulus for it.
This will be fun. ;D
God help us all ;D
Very conflicted about this, keeping cautiously optimistic, hope the quality of the future movies doesn't suffer. Here hoping Disney-Fox Don't go all Weyland-Yutani Evil Corporation :-
Whelp, here comes ALIENS 2.
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
I have no idea but considering all the hesitation on FOX to confirm it, surely this pending deal was in the back of their minds. I honestly see Disney doing the logical profit thing and dropping Covenant in favor of an Aliens sequel. Unless they decide to sell off the property.
"The Company?"
"It was before your time. Bought out by Disney."
Here's hoping they commit to putting out quality AVP products, and don't try to fix what isn't broken with NCEA, Titan, and DH (at least for a while).
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
OMG I hope so.
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Then open to a sequel series starring Newt. An
Aliens: Outbreak adaptation of sorts, preferably.
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Please retcon Alien 3...
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Did they do that (genuine question, I'm only a casual star wars watcher)? Kylo Ren had Darth Vader's hat, didn't he? Or are they saying that midichlorieans are bs now?
Quote from: Russ on Dec 14, 2017, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Did they do that (genuine question, I'm only a casual star wars watcher)? Kylo Ren had Darth Vader's hat, didn't he? Or are they saying that midichlorieans are bs now?
Not a single referrence to Episode I, II or III.
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: Russ on Dec 14, 2017, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Did they do that (genuine question, I'm only a casual star wars watcher)? Kylo Ren had Darth Vader's hat, didn't he? Or are they saying that midichlorieans are bs now?
Not a single referrence to Episode I, II or III.
Not quite.
The actor who plays Bail Organa in Rogue One is the same actor in the prequels.
(https://am21.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2016/12/bail-organa.jpeg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Felectroshadow.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F08%2FBail-Organa.jpg&hash=3c8ab702082ea822331c37ce6aa57bde7a5c0747)
The same with Mon Mothma.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c9/81/0f/c9810fbd454d7fd2c0c07b1f8c2b022f.jpg)
Saw Gerrera is a character from Clone Wars. Then he appears in SW Rebels and Rogue one.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.comicbook.com%2F2016%2F06%2Fsaw-gerrera-comparison-star-wars-187280.jpg&hash=5a81ce23ad3449d26645cf406866772345b0aef6)
The same with Captain Rex and Ahsoka Tano.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstarwarsblog.starwars.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2015%2F05%2Foblog_season2_rex_2.jpg&hash=b7ac46cb702c93c8861b4bd76ffa181a050f3cef)
(https://www.outerplaces.com/media/k2/items/cache/2dfd978cef3ad1bf2fbe4fa1bfb01bb3_L.jpg)
A couple of easter eggs
A recognizable imperial vehicle in Rogue One
(https://j.gifs.com/98jxv3.gif)
HAVw A6 Juggernaut in Episode III
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The planet Coruscant from the prequels in Rogue One
(https://j.gifs.com/76MvxA.gif)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcaps.pictures%2F201%2F6-rogueone%2Ffull%2Frogue-one-movie-screencaps.com-2771.jpg&hash=e8361a56fbf342d0ec5f6d7118e76a775f180ba4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcaps.pictures%2F200%2F5-starwars3%2Ffull%2Fstarwars3-movie-screencaps.com-3551.jpg&hash=65f021ab6fd2984a39a05f34a42d50f5a6305f89)
Magegg
Clone army.
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
OMG I hope so.
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Then open to a sequel series starring Newt. An Aliens: Outbreak adaptation of sorts, preferably.
Personally, I hope that Disney lets Ridley finish what he started with Prometheus / Cov. I don't want it to end "for good" based on what happened at the ending of Cov. Disney just needs to tell Ridley, "you have one movie, wrap this story line up, because after that we have new plans for the Alien franchise". Something along those lines, i dunno.
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 14, 2017, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
OMG I hope so.
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Then open to a sequel series starring Newt. An Aliens: Outbreak adaptation of sorts, preferably.
Personally, I hope that Disney lets Ridley finish what he started with Prometheus / Cov. I don't want it to end "for good" based on what happened at the ending of Cov. Disney just needs to tell Ridley, "you have one movie, wrap this story line up, because after that we have new plans for the Alien franchise". Something along those lines, i dunno.
I agree. I JUST WANT ONE MORE RIDLEY FILM!
Then do a PG remake of Alien directed by JJ Abrams with a cameo appearance by Wolverine played by Miley Cyrus or whatever the hell they want to do. Finishing the prequel storyline is all I ask!
Quote from: necrotard on Dec 14, 2017, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 14, 2017, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
OMG I hope so.
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Then open to a sequel series starring Newt. An Aliens: Outbreak adaptation of sorts, preferably.
Personally, I hope that Disney lets Ridley finish what he started with Prometheus / Cov. I don't want it to end "for good" based on what happened at the ending of Cov. Disney just needs to tell Ridley, "you have one movie, wrap this story line up, because after that we have new plans for the Alien franchise". Something along those lines, i dunno.
I agree. I JUST WANT ONE MORE RIDLEY FILM!
Then do a PG remake of Alien directed by JJ Abrams with a cameo appearance by Wolverine played by Miley Cyrus or whatever the hell they want to do. Finishing the prequel storyline is all I ask!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I'd prefer they sell the Franchise to someone like Netflix. With that, Ridley could be off the leash and have Luke or someone near to Scott been given 15 to 20 mil to do a film to closes that ten year gap between Prometheus and Covenant while Scott shoots Awakening, then from there Netflix can do whatever they want with it.
Though, if that doesn't happen I hope those rubes at Disney let Scott at least do one more film before they 'Disneyfy' the franchise.
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Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
OMG I hope so.
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Then open to a sequel series starring Newt. An Aliens: Outbreak adaptation of sorts, preferably.
Personally, I hope that Disney lets Ridley finish what he started with Prometheus / Cov. I don't want it to end "for good" based on what happened at the ending of Cov. Disney just needs to tell Ridley, "you have one movie, wrap this story line up, because after that we have new plans for the Alien franchise". Something along those lines, i dunno.
I agree. I JUST WANT ONE MORE RIDLEY FILM!
Then do a PG remake of Alien directed by JJ Abrams with a cameo appearance by Wolverine played by Miley Cyrus or whatever the hell they want to do. Finishing the prequel storyline is all I ask!
lol, a PG Alien. God no. If Disney gets to making new Predator, Die Hard, and Alien films they will still be rated R but will be released thru Touchstone Pictures, as that is where Disney releases many of it's R rated movies.
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
I hope so.
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 14, 2017, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
OMG I hope so.
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Then open to a sequel series starring Newt. An Aliens: Outbreak adaptation of sorts, preferably.
Personally, I hope that Disney lets Ridley finish what he started with Prometheus / Cov. I don't want it to end "for good" based on what happened at the ending of Cov. Disney just needs to tell Ridley, "you have one movie, wrap this story line up, because after that we have new plans for the Alien franchise". Something along those lines, i dunno.
I hope not.
There's no money to be had with Ridley's films and Disney is all about them $$$. Im going to argue they're gonna pick up with something along the lines that Neil Blomkamp wanted to do, but with new characters. That's a big IF though. I'd rather see them sell it to Netflix like someone else said.
I'm worry about Fox's R rated franchises in the hands of Disney. I hope they will keep them untouched and release them by Touchstone Pictures (Disney's film brand for more mature and adult movies).
So now we can see a chestburster coming out of Mickey. 3 red targets pointed at Donald's head from a distance. And a runner alien spawning from Pluto. I can't wait for this. haha.
This is motivated solely by Marvel IP and Avatar. Hopefully AVP doesn't get lost in the mix.
"It [Deadpool] clearly has been and will be Marvel branded. But we think there might be an opportunity for a Marvel-R brand for something like Deadpool. As long as we let the audiences know what's coming, we think we can manage that fine."
https://marvelstudiosnews.com/2017/12/14/disney-ceo-leaves-door-open-r-rated-marvel-movie-brand-including-deadpool/
Time to celebrate.
FOX is gone. They are finally gone.
Alien Resurrection
AVP
AVP Requiem
Prometheus
Covenant
::) ::) ::)
I'm so fed up with this company. Good riddance!
Finally this franchise is out of their reach. Now let professionals do the work. ::)
No matter what comes next, it doesn''t matter if it's the end. FOX IS GONE!
I would have hoped that Ridley would have got to finish his story with Awakening. Let's face it, Alien and Predator were never some big blockbuster movies. With Deadpool earned $783 million and Logan over $600 million not to mention they have big following that it would be a colossal mistake to make them PG, Alien & Predator never had anything like that. All I hope Disney just never makes a Alien Vs Predator reboot cinematic universe.
If Bob Iger is interested in Deadpool and keeping it R rated, I can still see future Alien and Predator films being R, and wouldn't expect news of Predator reshoots and editing to make it PG-13. Of course, their budgets might be changing.
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It's official.
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RIP Alien.
this is awful news they already screwed up star wars damn....
I can see Ridley Scott coercing Disney to continue his plan for one final DAVID movie because he's got a lot of power on the many Scott Free titles in production.
AND James Cameron who has a great deal of power at Disney now with his four AVATAR movies in production will surely have a say in the matter and Cameron is nothing if not loyal to his friend & mentor.
BUT after the final DAVID movie I can totally see Alien (and Predator) never returning to theaters again and becoming some sort of Anthology Series on the new Disney Streaming Service they plan to launch in 2019 to directly compete with Netflix.
The Alien series even at it's best couldn't compete financially with the money animation & comic book movies bring in. Why spend the money on theatrical releases where you have to split money with theaters, etc and only recoup a fraction of what they'd make on Marvel Movie #75 when they could release it on their own over-the-top streaming service where they don't have to share the profits with anyone.
Incoming pg-13 nostalgia reboots with no originality.
Still has yet to be seen how US and UK regulatory agencies will handle such a massive merger. In the US they blocked the AT&T and Time Warner one.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 14, 2017, 05:47:58 PM
Still has yet to be seen how US and UK regulatory agencies will handle such a massive merger. In the US they blocked the AT&T and Time Warner one.
I hope the government does something good for once and blocks this.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 14, 2017, 05:47:58 PM
Still has yet to be seen how US and UK regulatory agencies will handle such a massive merger. In the US they blocked the AT&T and Time Warner one.
Indeed. However, it would do well too keep in mind, Rupert Murdoch is a close friend and ally of Trump and his administration. All with whom the power lies in the US, to stop the merger.
Yeah, it's just a buisness... the thing is that Disney got the money. So may be they will put what it takes to get the fan back on the track about our so loved licences turned to s*"*" .
I've seen the last jedi and it comfort me tn that Idea... no perfect but faaaaaaaaaar more going to somewhere better that the triolgy before. (I mean ep I II III0
Of course it's always to make more money but "hey! it has always been like this does it not?"
We don't need another Ridley prequel just reboot it
RIP ALien and Predators.
Pred movies will now have the preds play an intergalactic game of tag instead of taking trophies.
ALiens will now just kiss people and make them sick instead of facehugging them.
I think it's a good thing overall It really is time for a new studio to look at the franchises with a fresh pair of eyes. We've endured nothing but rubbish from this series for the last 20 years. It's not the end of R-Rated movies - they saw how successful Deadpool and Logan were. Even though Fox eventually got their act together with X-Men, the X-Men franchise rightfully belongs to Marvel. Now, all they need is to get Hulk back from Universal.
Does this mean we can actually have an Avengers movie WITH X-men?
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
I loved Covenant, but it does seem that Fox deliberately tried to maximize the presence of the Xeno in both the movie and the marketing campaign. Best case scenario would be Disney letting Ridley do whatever he wants. Even if we don't get that, at least Ridley will probably NEVER agree to a pg-13 Alien/Prometheus-universe film.
An animated remake of Aliens with more quips
Quote from: tleilaxu on Dec 14, 2017, 07:58:19 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
I loved Covenant, but it does seem that Fox deliberately tried to maximize the presence of the Xeno in both the movie and the marketing campaign. Best case scenario would be Disney letting Ridley do whatever he wants. Even if we don't get that, at least Ridley will probably NEVER agree to a pg-13 Alien/Prometheus-universe film.
Disney doesn't let anyone at Marvel or Lucasfilm do whatever they want. Not sure they'd start now despite Alien's lower rsnking on the totem pole.
Isn't SM worried that Disney will make a G-rated Alien flick?
SM is not.
SM isn't being suitably apoplectic about all this.
Disney acquiring fox is a good thing as far as alien goes. Alien 1 being as good as was was almost an accident and a perfect storm of great ideas. Even then fox suits couldn't help themselves and forced the idea of the android in the plot out of the blue. Turns out it was a good idea but suits forcing pet ideas into these films are probably why the franchise is what it is today.
Aliens had a good foundation to work with thank to the great plot and life cycle introduced into alien 1. James Cameron had a solid vision and knew whhat he wanted the story to be. Plus since its guns shooting bam bam shoot em up, fox suits probly didn't meddle as much. Alien is the best one in my opinion.
Alien 3 was a mess mainly because giler and hill couldn't find a good script and weren't smart enough to figure out where the franchise should go or. We had a lot of interesting drafts for alien 3 which ultimately ended up a Frankenstein of ideas from past scripts.
Alien resurrection tried to revive the series but it was so weird of a film that I think it turned people off. Fox let the ip go doemant and made the trash tier avp movies to further damage the brand.
So Prometheus happens and it is said to be an alien prequel and that got fans excited. Original director taking us back to where it all began and where the alien comes from. Awesome. But lateninto develoment then fox CEO Rothram told Ridley to make Prometheus its own film. Lindlelof edits John slights (excellent I might add) script to make it Be a sci if film with loose alien associations.
Fans were disappointed that it wasn't a direct prequel so the franchise is put on ice again. Then blomkepmk has a idea for a solid alternative alien 3 film that reunites old favorite characters. Fans are excited and fox is interested.
Old man scott drunk off his ass catches wind that young up and coming director that actually had a passion for the franchise wants to mak a new film. Ridley stumbles to his phone and drunkenly tells the fox execs that HE wants to make an alien film. Fox tells him point blank it needs to have aliens in it. Fox and Ridley decide to pretend Prometheus never happened.
Scott after taking a huge swig of whiskey says "you want aliens, I'll give ya f**kin aliens. So scott retcons Prometheus as if it never happened by killing off all the engineers for no damn reason. Retcons all alien lore by having a rogue angry android create the alien, and over all makes a shit film. Then has the audacity to have it have a cliff hanger ending so ONLY he can make the sequel. Scott is holding this franchise hostage while killing it at the same time.
So here we are. The franchise is badly damaged thanks to compromises from fox and Scott. Scott wants to make another alien film apparently without the alien. Scott is obsessed with David who, while an interesting character, isn't really that interesting. It's just fassbenders perfomance was one of the few positives from Prometheus that I think they overplayed him.
Disny couldn't be worse than fox. Maybe they'll have the balls to take away this franchise from Ridley and put someone on there who gives a damn. It's the least we could ask for.
No need to worry about PG-13
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/12/14/deadpool-will-stay-r-rated-disney-sees-opportunity-for-r-rated-marvel-brand
Aside from that, Disney can release R-Rated movies through other studios/companies they own.
What can I say that hasn't been said? I suppose, all I can say is... it's the end of an era and the beginning of a new.
Fox era Alien-Predator
1979-2018Here's a swan song to Fox's run..
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 14, 2017, 10:03:12 PM
SM isn't being suitably apoplectic about all this.
Too tired.
Disney! Give Blomkamp 200 million dollars, right now!!
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Dec 14, 2017, 06:51:53 PM
RIP ALien and Predators.
Amen.
After seeing what they've done with Star Wars, I dread what they will do with Alien. The Last Jedi is the worst SW film ever.
Quote from: Magegg on Dec 14, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: x-M-x on Dec 14, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
So does this mean covenant 2/awakening? is a no go?
OMG I hope so.
Just do what they did with the Star Wars prequels and pretend they never happened.
Then open to a sequel series starring Newt. An Aliens: Outbreak adaptation of sorts, preferably.
Pass the sick bag.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 14, 2017, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Dec 14, 2017, 06:51:53 PM
RIP ALien and Predators.
Amen.
After seeing what they've done with Star Wars, I dread what they will do with Alien. The Last Jedi is the worst SW film ever.
Really? I've heard it's quite a bit darker, although that isn't saying much. SW kinda sucks overall if you ask me.
Quote from: Gate on Dec 14, 2017, 10:47:18 PM
Disney! Give Blomkamp 200 million dollars, right now!!
I'd rather donate 200 million dollars to ISIS than giving one cent to Neil Hackkamp. You'd probably get Aliens 2 except the colonial marines now ally with Chappie to fight against both xenomorphs and Weyland Yutani androids.
^ Is this the sort apoplexy you refer to, LT?
Fox 'es mediocre titles need Disney to survive (eg, x-files) where I doubt the partnership will dramatically shift the paradigm of how movies are made. Horror movies will be horror movies at the end of the day. Disney itself is a nostalgia not genre which infects other genres. Its just silly to think that Alien movies will be PG now if they ever make new ones.
Quote from: acrediblesource on Dec 14, 2017, 11:05:40 PM
Its just silly to think that Alien movies will be PG now if they ever make new ones.
Why is it silly? They make and market movies to kids.
Miramax is for independent movies, not franchise films. They won't put Alien under Miramax banner lol that is ridiculous.
Besides, they've already sold off Miramax.
I'm amazed at all of the negative feedback on here. How can you give up on these franchise just because Disney has bought out Fox. I mean c'mon! Fox had their chance and they've bungled things for decades. The Alien and Predator franchises have had no clear direction. No end game and certainly no continuity. I know not everyone is a fan of the " new Star Wars " films but look at what Disney has done for the franchise! It's bigger and better than ever! We have Star Wars coming out of our ears. Just imagine what the Disney machine can do for Alien or Predator. I'm excited what the future holds in store for us!
Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 11:04:42 PM
^ Is this the sort apoplexy you refer to, LT?
Quite.
Well shucks, now I can't say "with any luck, the Disney Network will pick them up" anymore. As for the future of the franchises, I think there's a real chance we may see another AVP movie because of this. A pg-13 action romp for the quick bucks.
"Look out Mcmillan! It's on the gosh darn walls. Poop! Harry! Whatever shall we do!"
Or, we could be looking at a Jurassic world style reboot; something on that level or a toned down version of Gibson's Alien 3. Some large scale Cameron style deal, but less "R" rated material to allow a wider audience. I think Disney will be keeping a close eye on the response to "The Predator" to gauge where they want to take these properties. Either way, someone out there can now afford to throw one heck of a party. You think they'll do a xenomorph version of "the skeleton dance"?
Guess that The Simpsons may finally end after all. ;)
Lol @ people who had eagerness for the franchise after Prometheus and covenant
Quote from: Dabaus on Dec 14, 2017, 10:06:31 PM
Disney acquiring fox is a good thing as far as alien goes. Alien 1 being as good as was was almost an accident and a perfect storm of great ideas. Even then fox suits couldn't help themselves and forced the idea of the android in the plot out of the blue. Turns out it was a good idea but suits forcing pet ideas into these films are probably why the franchise is what it is today.
Aliens had a good foundation to work with thank to the great plot and life cycle introduced into alien 1. James Cameron had a solid vision and knew whhat he wanted the story to be. Plus since its guns shooting bam bam shoot em up, fox suits probly didn't meddle as much. Alien is the best one in my opinion.
Alien 3 was a mess mainly because giler and hill couldn't find a good script and weren't smart enough to figure out where the franchise should go or. We had a lot of interesting drafts for alien 3 which ultimately ended up a Frankenstein of ideas from past scripts.
Alien resurrection tried to revive the series but it was so weird of a film that I think it turned people off. Fox let the ip go doemant and made the trash tier avp movies to further damage the brand.
So Prometheus happens and it is said to be an alien prequel and that got fans excited. Original director taking us back to where it all began and where the alien comes from. Awesome. But lateninto develoment then fox CEO Rothram told Ridley to make Prometheus its own film. Lindlelof edits John slights (excellent I might add) script to make it Be a sci if film with loose alien associations.
Fans were disappointed that it wasn't a direct prequel so the franchise is put on ice again. Then blomkepmk has a idea for a solid alternative alien 3 film that reunites old favorite characters. Fans are excited and fox is interested.
Old man scott drunk off his ass catches wind that young up and coming director that actually had a passion for the franchise wants to mak a new film. Ridley stumbles to his phone and drunkenly tells the fox execs that HE wants to make an alien film. Fox tells him point blank it needs to have aliens in it. Fox and Ridley decide to pretend Prometheus never happened.
Scott after taking a huge swig of whiskey says "you want aliens, I'll give ya f**kin aliens. So scott retcons Prometheus as if it never happened by killing off all the engineers for no damn reason. Retcons all alien lore by having a rogue angry android create the alien, and over all makes a shit film. Then has the audacity to have it have a cliff hanger ending so ONLY he can make the sequel. Scott is holding this franchise hostage while killing it at the same time.
So here we are. The franchise is badly damaged thanks to compromises from fox and Scott. Scott wants to make another alien film apparently without the alien. Scott is obsessed with David who, while an interesting character, isn't really that interesting. It's just fassbenders perfomance was one of the few positives from Prometheus that I think they overplayed him.
Disny couldn't be worse than fox. Maybe they'll have the balls to take away this franchise from Ridley and put someone on there who gives a damn. It's the least we could ask for.
Although I love and laugh at the jokes you have in that post but I have to disagree with the covenant comments:
1: They didnt kill off all engineers, as that was a colony and the engineers will be in the sequel and confirmed in comics etc to live, dont worry.
2: The alien lore was never retconned, seens o many alien fans and angry joe fans etc thinking David created the xenomorph due to what we saw in the movie, in prometheus alone we know the xenos existed a long time before David and in the comics and lore the engineers made them and David just happened to find xeno DNA and designs from the engineers he started to reversee engineer, hence the differences in its behaviour and design and being clearly more stupid and grows faster than a original xeno. Its clearly explained in the expanded universe so no: the xenomorph lore wasnt changed.
My own comment on this: Since most who are for this seems to either want blomkamp back(aliens 2 version movie) or etconning alien 3 and make it into Aliens version 2 where newt and ripley and hicks and more space marines battles the xenos again and since Disney with star wars are playing on nostalgia and old ideas and reboting franchises and not do anything new and risky: we will have aliens movies for years and maybe some alien style movies, as they can be made for PG13: teenagers easily.
99% sure that will be the future for Alien movies after ridleys next movie. Space marines and xenos on ships/stations etc no more risky new ideas movies.
One of the reasons alien 3 became what it was were due to they wanted to do something different, not just something we had already seen.
Star wars might be doing well but with disneys plan to release a movie every year with safe cards and few new ideas I question for how long it will last until people gets feed up with it?
it's worth coming here just to read all of the 'Disney are gonna cartoonify our gore ' comments ........
the kneejerks are strong with this one 😉
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Dec 14, 2017, 11:47:08 PM
Lol @ people who had eagerness for the franchise after Prometheus and covenant
No matter what your opinion of them, they were movies made for ADULTS.
"it's worth coming here just to read all of the 'Disney are gonna cartoonify our gore ' comments ........"
Indeed. I'm actually excited about the future of the Alien franchise now. Disney's got the dough to do great things. The only thing that worries me is the possibility of seeing this sentence one day,
"Jai Courtney as Hicks"
God's mercy on us all. By the way, does anyone have any ideas on who would make a good Hicks, were Aliens 2 to be made?
I'd almost give Sam Worthington a shot, now that he's got some age on him. But Lord knows they'd get Pratt to do it, because he's in everything now. He might could've done Hudson though..............maybe......doubt it.
This has me both excited at worried.
I think I'd like Scott to do Prequel 3 and I want to see The Predator but then after that I'd like a full reboot.
I imagine that 20th Century Fox will continue to produce under its own banner? Just like LucasFilm and Marvel do. And if thats the case then I wouldn't worry about the R rating or the lack of mature themes and such which have always been important to not just ALIEN but also PREDATOR.
Obviously (?) the Marvel properties will return to Marvel which is probably my favorite thing about this. I just hate that we'll never get to see Hugh Jackman's Wolverine fighting alongside Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man now that Hugh as retired and Robert will be following suit in just a few years.
I wish the greatest of luck to their replacements cause they're gonna have some big ass shoes to fill.
I think proof that we should not be worried lies in the Netflix Marvel shows which are far more mature and brutal than their cinema counterparts.
QuoteGod's mercy on us all. By the way, does anyone have any ideas on who would make a good Hicks, were Aliens 2 to be made?
Michael Biehn.
Hope they let Ridley Scott finish his Alien prequels with 1 more movie. After that, they can start afresh, just don't remake Alien or Aliens.
"Bought out by Walmart Disney"
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"Michael Biehn"
There can and never will be another Michael Biehn....ever. But I honestly am curious who they might pick if they wanted to continue the character at the age they left him in Aliens. Should they decide to retcon Alien 3 that is.
Very interesting
Quote from: GreybackElder on Dec 14, 2017, 11:22:28 PM
I'm amazed at all of the negative feedback on here. How can you give up on these franchise just because Disney has bought out Fox. I mean c'mon! Fox had their chance and they've bungled things for decades. The Alien and Predator franchises have had no clear direction. No end game and certainly no continuity. I know not everyone is a fan of the " new Star Wars " films but look at what Disney has done for the franchise! It's bigger and better than ever! We have Star Wars coming out of our ears. Just imagine what the Disney machine can do for Alien or Predator. I'm excited what the future holds in store for us!
Disney hasnt done anything except push out movie on top of movie without giving the world room to breathe.
And this is because they want their money back asap. So we ended up with one remake of Ep4, a movie that didnt need to be made, and now a crappy SW film.
I guess you can consider this the norm for these two franchises. Still, i dont want to see this done to them just so they can recoup their cash ASAP.
One reason why producers focus on a PG rating is because that's the sweet spot for tent-poles. They may take risks, though, as seen in Deadpool, Mad Mad: Fury Road, and now plans for a Trek film to be directed by Tarantino.
Thus, if future Alien movies aren't R-rated, it's probably not just because of Disney but because R-ratings might not allow for maximization of profits.
Disney ain't just for kids anymore. Hell, they released The Black Hole the same year as Alien and was creepy as f**k for a kids movie. I bet SM dug it too.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Dec 14, 2017, 10:59:17 PMI'd rather donate 200 million dollars to ISIS than giving one cent to Neil Hackkamp. You'd probably get Aliens 2 except the colonial marines now ally with Chappie to fight against both xenomorphs and Weyland Yutani androids.
Exaggerate much?
Your idea sounds entertaining btw. I'd watch it.
I'd love to see some Blomkamp-style robots thrown into the mix.
'The Black Hole' was a direct response to 'Star Wars'.
Back then, Disney Studios were in trouble. 'Star Wars' was a megahit and Disney's animation studios - the mainstay entertainment branch for the company was failing. Badly. Disney figured in order to survive they should cash in on the whole Space Action genre, hence, 'The Black Hole'.
During this period of the early 1980's Disney struggled. A lot. During this period they made some of their most interesting movies because they were hungry to break out into new territory. 'TRON' and 'Dragonslayer' (with Paramount) were also made during this time. 'Dragonslayer' is a particularly meaty movie - and one of Disney's boldest ever. We witness virgin sacrifices to a genuinely frightening dragon and the story's princess gets eaten by dragon hatchlings. It's bloody, too.
EATEN! We witness her remains surrounded by ugly toadlike dragon hatchlings. Disney has never matched that scene - and it was a kid's movie, too!
Disney will never badge movies like this again with their own name.
They are now entrenched in producing average, crowd pleasing popcorn entertainment of the lowest common denominator. There's no meat in a Disney production. It's all sugar and syrup for the masses - and the easily entertained who have been doped up on formula of spectacle without content, culminating in the endless string of banal MCU movies that are all exactly alike. It makes money - but it's still shit.
It's like McDonalds and Coca Cola - just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's any good. Shit is still shit no matter how sweet it tastes.
Disney will never make anything bold. ...or challenging. Ever again. It will be safe and have wide appeal. Saturday audiences will lap it up like a fireworks display - but the spectacle is shallow and the story non-existent. Disney makes money. But it does so by selling shit to audiences eager to lap up easy entertainment laced with sugar - and nothing else.
Besides, if 'The Black Hole' was actually any good, why was there never a sequel..? It was always Disney's own property yet it never really went anywhere beyond 1 movie.
-Windebieste.
The 70s and 80s were a different era. You could get away with some violence, gore and even nudity in PG movies (case in point Gremlins, Clash of the Titans and Raiders of the Lost Ark). The kids movies back then didn't have big budget cgi effects, they had to rely mostly on imagination.
Now it's all about safe, dumbed down entertainment for the masses. The newest Star Wars film is a prime example of that. Like a two and half hour toy commercial.
Yeah. That, too.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 15, 2017, 01:10:42 AM
"Michael Biehn"
There can and never will be another Michael Biehn....ever. But I honestly am curious who they might pick if they wanted to continue the character at the age they left him in Aliens. Should they decide to retcon Alien 3 that is.
My vote would be for Stebastian Stan (Bucky Barnes from the Captain America movies), dude looks similar and is a fairly solid actor as well.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 15, 2017, 03:45:21 AM
Disney ain't just for kids anymore. Hell, they released The Black Hole the same year as Alien and was creepy as f**k for a kids movie. I bet SM dug it too.
Shit yeah. It was generally dopey as, but there was some stuff definitely not for the young 'uns.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Dec 15, 2017, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: GreybackElder on Dec 14, 2017, 11:22:28 PM
I'm amazed at all of the negative feedback on here. How can you give up on these franchise just because Disney has bought out Fox. I mean c'mon! Fox had their chance and they've bungled things for decades. The Alien and Predator franchises have had no clear direction. No end game and certainly no continuity. I know not everyone is a fan of the " new Star Wars " films but look at what Disney has done for the franchise! It's bigger and better than ever! We have Star Wars coming out of our ears. Just imagine what the Disney machine can do for Alien or Predator. I'm excited what the future holds in store for us!
Disney hasnt done anything except push out movie on top of movie without giving the world room to breathe.
And this is because they want their money back asap. So we ended up with one remake of Ep4, a movie that didnt need to be made, and now a crappy SW film.
I guess you can consider this the norm for these two franchises. Still, i dont want to see this done to them just so they can recoup their cash ASAP.
Looking at the reviews and box office, the world doesn't want to breathe.
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 15, 2017, 04:38:25 AM
Besides, if 'The Black Hole' was actually any good, why was there never a sequel..? It was always Disney's own property yet it never really went anywhere beyond 1 movie.
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That robot with his spinny blades was scary as,to a kid. And the evil doctor trapped inside him in that hellscape at the end was freaky. Good soundtrack too. Crying out for a more scientifically accurate remake.
I don't think Windebieste dug it.
I'll take your word for it.
Quote from: AD on Dec 14, 2017, 04:33:51 PM
If Bob Iger is interested in Deadpool and keeping it R rated, I can still see future Alien and Predator films being R, and wouldn't expect news of Predator reshoots and editing to make it PG-13. Of course, their budgets might be changing.
I wouldn't expect them to reshoot The Predator at all. This whole thing about Disney ownership automatically guaranteeing PG-13 rating is just a knee-jerk reaction. Disney owned companies have produced R-rated films for years. It's just a matter of seeing where these franchise fit into the new Disney structure. Is Fox going to continue operating as it's own entity under Disney ownership? Is it all being absorbed into existing arms of Disney? Will the properties even be viewed as worthwhile?
When will Hicks interview Bob Iger about the future of the Alien franchise?
While not a fan of the movie itself I do actually think a remake of 'The Black Hole' would be welcome. I've seen the movie twice. Maybe. I guess it hasn't dated well, though.
I just can't stand the cute robot element. Symptomatic of movies of the time that wanted to cash in on 'Star Wars' success. Those damned cute robot things were all over the place... from 'Buck Rogers' and 'Battlestar Galactica' to - well - 'The Black Hole'.
By the way, there was probably a skull under Maximillian's visor. Would have totally been in character. :P
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Darkness on Dec 14, 2017, 07:06:37 PM
I think it's a good thing overall It really is time for a new studio to look at the franchises with a fresh pair of eyes. We've endured nothing but rubbish from this series for the last 20 years. It's not the end of R-Rated movies - they saw how successful Deadpool and Logan were. Even though Fox eventually got their act together with X-Men, the X-Men franchise rightfully belongs to Marvel. Now, all they need is to get Hulk back from Universal.
I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing either. We've seen the last load of movies haven't hit the mark completely. Granted, they've seen some commercial success at the least but I think over-all, they've not exactly unified fans in love. I'd like to see a fresh set of hands guiding it.
That doesn't mean it's automatically going to be good, though. But it does seem like Disney did want to do right by fans with Star Wars and Marvel and from what I've paid attention to they seem to have been doing that.
Quote from: SM on Dec 14, 2017, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 14, 2017, 10:03:12 PM
SM isn't being suitably apoplectic about all this.
Too tired.
It's as tiresome and boring as all the Disney princess jokes are.
Can the baby queen from Alien 3 be a Disney princess now?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 15, 2017, 08:38:04 AM
When will Hicks interview Bob Iger about the future of the Alien franchise?
For what it's worth I am trying to get some sort of comment but I think it's a bit too early for much clarity.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 15, 2017, 08:43:41 AM
Can the baby queen from Alien 3 be a Disney princess now?
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Be sure to ask him if EA will be getting the license to make the next Aliens video game.
I didn't mean from Iger.
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/disney-fox-lot-1202641181/
QuoteOn the film front, employees are being told that films are still being greenlit and that production on such major upcoming releases as "Gambit," an X-Men spinoff, is expected to still commence in the coming months.
Like Rice, Snider has stressed that over the next year and a half until the deal closes, it will be "business as usual" and she told staffers that she expects them "to do what we do at a high level of excellence and with our typical swagger."
You're still dodging Iger? Can't you spare just five minutes to talk to the man?
Ask him to drop me his contact details and I'll see where I can fit him in.
A handy list of the properties that they now own
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/these-are-all-the-movie-and-television-franchises-disney-has-acquired-from-21st-century-fox-a156348?utm_source=FoxPush&utm_medium=webpush&utm_campaign=FoxPush-156348
I wonder what this means for the videogames (if anything)? Are we any closer to Isolation 2 now? :'(
Just think of all the shows that Fox cancelled they could bring back
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 15, 2017, 11:47:50 AM
Just think of all the shows that Fox cancelled they could bring back
Firefly!!!!!!!!!!!!! It'd be a dream come true.
Quote from: Xenomania on Dec 15, 2017, 11:36:35 AM
I wonder what this means for the videogames (if anything)? Are we any closer to Isolation 2 now? :'(
I don't know where Sega stands with the Alien license atm. I don't know if they still own it or not. Fox was working on a VR game for their FoxLand Theme Park but who knows what's going to happen with that now.
Disney now owns part of Boom! Studios, right? Maybe Cthulhu will show up in Marvel comics now. :laugh:
I'm scrolling across audience reactions on RT and other websites to the Last Jedi, and boy I'm fearful of what Disney will pull with Alien.
Honestly, I don't care what Disney does with the Alien franchise as long as they don't let senile old Ridley touch it ever again.
What does he mean when he says there's a place for R rated content if we let audiences know what's coming? I don't like the sound of that...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 15, 2017, 08:43:41 AM
Can the baby queen from Alien 3 be a Disney princess now?
Well, they already have a "Bambi burster" in Alien 3 so why not?
Quote from: Hyperdyne120-a2 on Dec 15, 2017, 04:25:53 PM
What does he mean when he says there's a place for R rated content if we let audiences know what's coming? I don't like the sound of that...
As in all those daft folk who went to see Deadpool with their little kids not realizing what it was.
Quote from: SM on Dec 15, 2017, 06:39:08 AM
Looking at the reviews and box office, the world doesn't want to breathe.
i meant the story world not the real world.
From what im hearing the story of the new SW is a mess. People enjoy the pew, pew, but it doesnt even look like they saw the previous film to continue some storylines.
This looks exactly like transformers which each film retcon something from the last.
Everybody should remember that this deal still has to clear a few legal, regulatory hurdles. It is possible that several different government agencies could block this transaction. Considering that the current climate is very uncertain with regard to mergers and acquisitions (AT&T and Time Warner's merger is currently facing a regulatory hurdle), this deal could face some scrutiny.
From my own personal analysis, if the deal goes through, a lot will depend on who stays and who goes in the leadership positions. Stacey Snider, currently heading the film division, has hinted another Alien will go forward. But, rumors are swirling in the trade magazines that she will be leaving her post.
So, we have several different possibilities:
1) Within the next 12-18 months, there is a transition period where many of the same staff will stay in place. The current staff quickly greenlights the next Alien film and it moves into production
2) Snider, Emma Watts, or some remaining deciders stay and move ahead with the next Alien film.
3) Disney puts on the breaks and brings in someone new. This new person will do an evaluation and what happens is anybody's guess.
If they are following their current model, we could see:
a) Star Wars-like soft reboot/sequel with many of the same formulas of the previous entries
b) Indiana Jones-like status - working with the original talent (Spielberg, Marshall, Ford) with a "promise" to make a film but no serious work commitments
c) Or obviously the film gets shelved.
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 15, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
Everybody should remember that this deal still has to clear a few legal, regulatory hurdles. It is possible that several different government agencies could block this transaction. Considering that the current climate is very uncertain with regard to mergers and acquisitions (AT&T and Time Warner's merger is currently facing a regulatory hurdle), this deal could face some scrutiny.
From my own personal analysis, if the deal goes through, a lot will depend on who stays and who goes in the leadership positions. Stacey Snider, currently heading the film division, has hinted another Alien will go forward. But, rumors are swirling in the trade magazines that she will be leaving her post.
So, we have several different possibilities:
1) Within the next 12-18 months, there is a transition period where many of the same staff will stay in place. The current staff quickly greenlights the next Alien film and it moves into production
2) Snider, Emma Watts, or some remaining deciders stay and move ahead with the next Alien film.
3) Disney puts on the breaks and brings in someone new. This new person will do an evaluation and what happens is anybody's guess.
If they are following their current model, we could see:
a) Star Wars-like soft reboot/sequel with many of the same formulas of the previous entries
b) Indiana Jones-like status - working with the original talent (Spielberg, Marshall, Ford) with a "promise" to make a film but no serious work commitments
c) Or obviously the film gets shelved.
Boy, I hope Ridley finishes Cartel fast and starts production on Awakening before Disney takes over because just reading this morning of what happened with Last Jedi, I can't fathom what they'll do with the franchise.
I think they can move forward with Scotts final movie or they can cancell it because Disney sees more potential in Blomkamp's alredy pre producted (by ADI as well)film.Cameron reviewed the script good so he could say a few word in the favour of Blomkamp.
Maybe they doing both and planning more sequels and Avp sequels also. If The Predator and the next Alien is a success that could move things forward.
Quote from: 0321recon on Dec 15, 2017, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 15, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
Everybody should remember that this deal still has to clear a few legal, regulatory hurdles. It is possible that several different government agencies could block this transaction. Considering that the current climate is very uncertain with regard to mergers and acquisitions (AT&T and Time Warner's merger is currently facing a regulatory hurdle), this deal could face some scrutiny.
From my own personal analysis, if the deal goes through, a lot will depend on who stays and who goes in the leadership positions. Stacey Snider, currently heading the film division, has hinted another Alien will go forward. But, rumors are swirling in the trade magazines that she will be leaving her post.
So, we have several different possibilities:
1) Within the next 12-18 months, there is a transition period where many of the same staff will stay in place. The current staff quickly greenlights the next Alien film and it moves into production
2) Snider, Emma Watts, or some remaining deciders stay and move ahead with the next Alien film.
3) Disney puts on the breaks and brings in someone new. This new person will do an evaluation and what happens is anybody's guess.
If they are following their current model, we could see:
a) Star Wars-like soft reboot/sequel with many of the same formulas of the previous entries
b) Indiana Jones-like status - working with the original talent (Spielberg, Marshall, Ford) with a "promise" to make a film but no serious work commitments
c) Or obviously the film gets shelved.
Boy, I hope Ridley finishes Cartel fast and starts production on Awakening before Disney takes over because just reading this morning of what happened with Last Jedi, I can't fathom what they'll do with the franchise.
What happened with The Last Jedi? I haven't seen it yet, so if it's spoiler related, please don't tell. ;)
One question. I am not very knowledgeable on business stuff. Why did Fox with such a long history, now decided to sell itself to Disney? I thought Fox was doing great and its movies were making money.
Last Jedi was incredible. It may be my new favorite Star Wars movie.
And I thought Scott claimed that Blomkamp's movie never got past a short treatment. There was no full script yet.
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 15, 2017, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: 0321recon on Dec 15, 2017, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 15, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
Everybody should remember that this deal still has to clear a few legal, regulatory hurdles. It is possible that several different government agencies could block this transaction. Considering that the current climate is very uncertain with regard to mergers and acquisitions (AT&T and Time Warner's merger is currently facing a regulatory hurdle), this deal could face some scrutiny.
From my own personal analysis, if the deal goes through, a lot will depend on who stays and who goes in the leadership positions. Stacey Snider, currently heading the film division, has hinted another Alien will go forward. But, rumors are swirling in the trade magazines that she will be leaving her post.
So, we have several different possibilities:
1) Within the next 12-18 months, there is a transition period where many of the same staff will stay in place. The current staff quickly greenlights the next Alien film and it moves into production
2) Snider, Emma Watts, or some remaining deciders stay and move ahead with the next Alien film.
3) Disney puts on the breaks and brings in someone new. This new person will do an evaluation and what happens is anybody's guess.
If they are following their current model, we could see:
a) Star Wars-like soft reboot/sequel with many of the same formulas of the previous entries
b) Indiana Jones-like status - working with the original talent (Spielberg, Marshall, Ford) with a "promise" to make a film but no serious work commitments
c) Or obviously the film gets shelved.
Boy, I hope Ridley finishes Cartel fast and starts production on Awakening before Disney takes over because just reading this morning of what happened with Last Jedi, I can't fathom what they'll do with the franchise.
What happened with The Last Jedi? I haven't seen it yet, so if it's spoiler related, please don't tell. ;)
I've been reading various forums and seeing the mediocre audience scores on Metacritic and RT for the film, it seems that many are complaining how they don't properly handled the legacy characters, how the film feels like a MCU property, awkward comedy bits, sloppy editing, not furthering what was set up in Force Awakens, plus other stuff that I won't mention since it goes into spoiler territory.
Currently Last Jedi's RT audience score is worst than Justice League. Some are saying all the old characters have been ruined. All I hope that Luke just doesn't turns to the dark side.
So Disney owns both the Predator and Alien franchise now? And The Predator 2018 is the last Predator movie under the production from 20th Century Fox? I wonder if we are going to be seeing more Predator and Alien movies now sinse Disney owns both franchises now. Also If we are going to be seeing more video games. Part of me wants Disney to green light Alien Vs Predator 3 lol.
I wonder why Fox didn't want to keep the Predator and Alien franchises and sell everything else. Both franchises are original franchises unlike there comic book franchise licenes that they have like X-men F4, Deadpool
They've sold off the whole film division. Not much point in keeping IP if they're not going to produce anything.
Well, now Disney has the ability to make a movie like THIS happen.... ;D
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You know, this isn't the first time that Disney has had some interaction with Fox's properties. Everyone remembers The Great Movie Ride and how that featured the Alien, right? Well, ever hear about Alien Encounter: ExtraTERRORestrial? Yeah... Apparently, it was SUPPOSED to be an ALIEN ride named Nostromo. There's some neat history about that.
So, Disney has had some history with the Alien franchise long before the buy out... Just something interesting I'd thought I'd share.
Quote from: Nightcrawler on Dec 15, 2017, 09:02:33 PM
Currently Last Jedi's RT audience score is worst than Justice League. Some are saying all the old characters have been ruined. All I hope that Luke just doesn't turns to the dark side.
Luke turning to the dark side might just be enough to make a Star Wars movie interesting.
That's a great idea, actually, they missed a perfect opportunity to make Luke the villain if they really wanted to do something different. But no, they half-assed it.
Please Disney. Please stop Ridley from making more Alien films. You already snatched one once-great franchise from an old, senile has-been way past his prime, you can do it again!
Quote from: Xanadu on Dec 15, 2017, 08:35:33 PM
One question. I am not very knowledgeable on business stuff. Why did Fox with such a long history, now decided to sell itself to Disney? I thought Fox was doing great and its movies were making money.
This hasn't much to do with Fox, Rupert Murdoch is plain and simple, cashing out his media empire while holding onto the tidbits he holds dear to his heart. Like fox news. That's all it really is. That and also erasing 16+ billion in debt that Disney will inherit in the sale.
Yeah, Fox didn't sell itself. 21st Century Fox was owned by New Corp. News Corp (Uncle Rupert) sold it to Disney. I daresay it will remain as 21st Century Fox but the logo will say 'A Disney Company' and not 'A News Corp Company'. The Fox Fanfare is iconic and it wouldn't surprise me if Disney continued to use it. We may see very little difference in the day to day running of the company.
From "PG-13 vs. R Movies: How Each Rating Stacks Up at the Box Office" (https://www.thewrap.com/pg-13-movies-dominated-2013-box-office-r-rated-comedies-clicked/)
QuoteNumbers show that PG and PG-13 films gross roughly twice what R-rated films take in
However, from "If PG-13 Is the Moneymaker, Why Is Hollywood Cranking Out So Many R-Rated Movies?" (https://www.thewrap.com/pg-13-movies-dominated-2013-box-office-r-rated-comedies-clicked/)
QuoteWhy would Hollywood spite itself like this? The short answer: The pervasive desire to keep it real creatively, then turn profit on downstream platforms. Awards can be a factor, too.
"Please Disney. Please stop Ridley from making more Alien films."
With any luck. But I wouldn't count on it. The man has serious influence, and is a highly respected director. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's allowed to finish his trilogy. Although I've been vocal (to say the least) of my disapproval of the prequels, I do think it's fair to say that Prometheus (most likely due to the sheer awfulness of covenant) is actually rather a decent film. It succeeded in delivering a dark/foreboding sense of horror; it was just not a creature focused horror like an Alien film. But, nevertheless, the score and the world/situations had me quite tense. The cast, for all their written faults, was generally watchable and I could believe them as a group. Consequently, I've developed a kind of respect for it, and can enjoy it for what it is.
The thing that gets lost in translation with covenant I think (most likely due to pure emotion), isn't so much that it failed to be a good Alien movie or Prometheus movie. What happened is that it wasn't a good movie at all, purely on its own merits. I can pretty much find at least one thing to like in any movie ever made, even if it's just one scene or a single good line. In my opinion, Covenant had and delivered absolutely nothing. It was one of the most boring messes of a film I've ever seen. It either had nothing to say, or no idea of how to say it. But, like I said, it's easy to bash a movie because it's supposed to be a part of your favorite franchise. Whatever Covenant was, wherever it was supposed to belong, it just felt empty, period. I can only classify it as some kind of abstract/quasi-futuristic homosexual human interest piece.
And I do feel the need to say, I still think they misused the character of Lope. There was a lot of potential for a great character there, and I was just waiting for him to go into buttkicker mode. Nobody could ever be as bad as Hicks, and that's not what I was expecting, but I was expecting something awesome from that character. Some level of vengeance driven rage at the death of his partner, or just some good fight still in him. Alas, he turned into some screaming crying dude running away from the Alien, and was then killed off-screen. What a waste.
I was still on the fence about Scott when Prometheus came out. Covenant more than proved he is the wrong person to head this franchise now. Whatever happens, even if this series turns into some kind of Aliens/Pacific Rim/Jurassic World hybrid, something has to change quickly, and it's always best to start at the top.
Be careful what you wish for.
What if Scott's third prequel establishes that David is the re-creator and not the creator? Wouldn't that undo some of the "damage" that Covenant haters perceive? At this point, I don't see how Ridley could do any more "harm" to the story. Let him finish. Then hand it off to someone else. (No matter what the next film is, half of the people on these forums will hate it anyway.)
No, you will never please everyone. And even when you try to do that, you end up with a mess.
At least Ridley has a vision. Some may not like it, but Ridley is a real filmmaker. He's made more classics than most directors alive today. He's not just another Disney hack making a movie run by committee.
Sad state of affairs when that's what most people want. Generic pap. The McDonalds of the filmmaking world. Yuck.
I'd classify Covenant haters:
1. Massive Aliens fanboys who just want more colonial marines, pulse rifles, etc
2. Kids (see above)
3. Conservative Alien fans who believe everything must stick to the previously established rules
4. Homophobes (?)
:)
But seriously, if you don't like Covenant that's your business and I don't mean to imply anything.
Homophobes? I didn't think a facehugger throat f**king someone would trigger people that bad
"Be careful what you wish for."
When something isn't working, change is the only option. Covenant felt like it was frankensteined together from spare parts and ideas, just for the sake of making a film. The spore idea, for example.
Let me just say though, that I have the utmost respect for Mr. Scott. He has directed some of the greatest films of all time, including my personal favorite, Alien 1979. I'm an Alien fan, I love the xenomorph, I confess. It's one of the main reasons I watch the films. If not the beast, then the presence of the beast is the thing. Aliens 1,2,3 had fantastic casts and scripts as well, which only raised the quality of the films. The prequels have been quite the opposite of that. When faced with this situation, and the director also maintains the beast is cooked or dead, etc. It takes away from what little enthusiasm is still there. Would Isolation have been as fun if the only enemy were the artificials? Were I to offer an opinion back when Aliens was in production, I would have said adding marines and mass amounts of Aliens would detract from the strength and horror of one creature, and result in a lesser film meant to exploit the film wants of teenage minds. And I would have been wrong. The change was good, really good. We cannot shy away from trying different things. But must be willing to change again, should things not work out well.
If making Alien films with Xenomorph's in them is not cool with the director, then it's time to give someone else a chance. Years have passed and two films have now been made that have both resulted in mixed reception, and the director has no plans to change course. Sometimes it's okay for a movie to just be a movie, and not some long and drawn out philosophical masterpiece trilogy. Sometimes the only thing the audience wants to think about, is when will the beast will leap from the shadows? There's a really good story just waiting out there somewhere, and it could probably be told in a single film, but that's not going to be allowed to happen with Mr. Scott at the helm. We'd get a rough idea if Blokamps script ever got posted. Which makes me wonder if it's being saved for a rainy day. Well, there's clouds on the horizon. It's time for change. Yes, that's just my opinion. But I'm not exactly the only one who feels that way.
Gads! Now I've done it. I said something negative about Covenant. I feel like an Athiest in a family of Southern Baptists. I've dared to question Scott's great plan. Incoming mortar fire!
"Homophobes?"
Might we all converse together, without dragging accusations of homophobia in here?
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 17, 2017, 02:14:11 AM
Gads! Now I've done it. I said something negative about Covenant. I feel like an Athiest in a family of Southern Baptists. I've dared to question Scott's great plan. Incoming mortar fire!
Oh, don't start that. These boards seem pretty split in half. Even the Blomkamp Vs. Scott sequel poll on the front page is split 49 to 51 percent.
As much as I loved Covenant, I fear the slim majority of fans hate it and want Blomkamp's Aliens 2.
I just feel like begging for Scott to lose the opportunity to finish his story is like someone begging for a TV show to be cancelled because you hate it. That show has fans, so what do you care if it finishes it's final season or not? Why not just stop watching and let the fans enjoy it until it's over?
"I just feel like begging for Scott to lose the opportunity to finish his story is like someone begging for a TV show to be cancelled because you hate it. That show has fans, so what do you care if it finishes it's final season or not? Why not just stop watching and let the fans enjoy it until it's over? ?"
Well Geez, You do know I'm not in charge of production right? Fox and Scott can do whatever they want. For another thing, I don't think "begging" is an accurate or positive word to use when referring to the position of people with a different opinion. It's just not conducive to constructive conversation. And it's okay for all the fans to want the movie they'd like to be made too, they don't necessarily have to just go away and wait it out quietly. These are just movies, and the portion of people who are pro-prequel are equally as vocal about it (I'd nearly say much more vocal), hence my sarcasm in that quote you posted.
I'm glad you enjoyed covenant. It means you have yet another good Alien film to watch. I personally found the shorts involving David's time on the derelict, and his summary of the events on paradise to have been very well done and entertaining. Had the events of the journey to paradise, and the initial contact and subsequent isolation on paradise been the focus of Covenant, I think it would have been a much stronger film.
And just to throw this out there, I don't want Blomkamp anywhere near an Alien movie, even if he was the only director left on earth, I'd rather the whole thing stopped right there forever. I am interested in what his script said though, as it apparently seemed pretty good to Cameron and some others. The only film I'm interested in seeing from this franchise honestly, is a film in the spirit of 1 or 3. Incredibly dark and isolated. A lone, powerful and intelligent xenomorph stalks and eliminates an ever shrinking group of survivors. Not some mindless proto-drone that attacks machinery. No powerloaders, nor rifles, no marines, no Aliens 1986 again please and thank you.
I'll just leave it at this:
The reason we have aliens in Covenant is because of online complaints.
"The reason we have aliens in Covenant is because of online complaints"
I absolutely agree with you on this. It was obvious Ridley didn't want them in the film, and kind of shoehorned them in as fan service due to backlash from prometheus. That's probably why their scenes felt so poorly done, although I tend to think Ridley could have used them better, certainly not showing their movements or using them in the daylight would've been a good start. But yes, they were there because of complaints, but I doubt their absence would've saved the film.
Then what would have saved the film for you, then? A remake of Alien 1 or 3? Because from the sounds of it, that's what you wanted and is why you don't like Covenant.
"Then what would have saved the film for you, then? A remake of Alien 1 or 3? Because from the sounds of it, that's what you wanted and is why you don't like Covenant."
Yes, I'm ready for something different that focuses on the xenomorph hunting people. As far as covenant goes, what could have saved it would have been a giger-world horror fest, with shaw and david at the center of it.
If you're talking about re-writes, I'm a bit tired, so let's go with the assumption that paradise was the same as in covenant, and not like the interior of the juggernauts.
Had Covenant been about the events surrounding the trip to paradise, it would have been much better. For instance, the engineer technology is basically explained by David, and they depart. After some time, he gains shaw's trust again, and is repaired. We spend roughly 30-40 minutes with them on the juggernaut before shaw is put in cryosleep. Basically a longer version of what we saw in the extra scenes. After Shaw goes into cryo, we follow David for a short time, and see what he discovers, i.e. the true purpose of the black goo and the engineer's plans for our destruction, with possibly some greater motives and details revealed that could come into play in the 3rd movie. Perhaps some Great God figure, maybe the Alien as the Devil or something. Either way, we'd have answers to go on.
They'd arrive at paradise. David is having conflicting views on what to do, knowing the engineers will demand shaw's death, and most likely david's as well. He decides to black goo the engineers, even though it causes David some form of anguish, as he finds their hatred of humanity or perhaps some form of higher technology or ideals to be relatable. Maybe they are just creations of someone else, like him. As he destroys them, shaw is awakened. He is attacked by his beloved, and the ship is crashed. Shaw is infuriated with David, and leaves the city, and uses stores from Vickers pod to plant wheat and other crops to survive.
David, in his loneliness begins to wander the city and study everything. We're shown many beautiful interior and large rooms filled with sculptures and scrolls, great murals akin to the one's from Prometheus. Meanwhile shaw is busy building a basic habitat by the lake (homage to daniels here) During a particularly violent storm, David ventures somehow into a large room with a giant sculpture of the original Alien. Some minor inscriptions later, perhaps engineers worshipping the creature as some form of becoming a higher entity. Regardless, he is fascinated. He has found his purpose and searches the temple records for any data or instructions, thus beginning his experiments.
After some years, shaw returns to the city. She finds david in his temple, and is warmly greeted. David soon becomes evasive regarding his activities during the past few years, and tells shaw that he has located other ships below the city that they can use to get home. At some point, one of David's experiments escapes, and stalks shaw through the city. After a prolonged hunt, David kills the Alien as it is about to kill shaw. Shaw demands to know what David has really been doing. She refuses to understand, and leaves to take one of the engineer ships back to earth. Fearing being alone forever, or having his work undone by a returning human force, he follows and attacks her. Overcome with madness and severely wounded, he eventually releases his perfect creation, (the original face-hugger), which manages to overcome shaw just as she escapes. He says something biblical as the ship speeds away, perhaps "it is done" and dies.
Shaw awakens from coma aboard the ancient juggernaut, she climbs into the cockpit and sets a course for earth. She begins to record some kind of log or speech, in homage to the original Alien. As the movie seems to end, she screams and heaves, as the first chestburster, a queen, erupts from her chest. The juggernaut crashes on lv-426. The cockpit, sensing trauma to the pilot, engages an emergency signal. She dies, as the camera pans down to a smoking hole in the floor.
Mic Drop
C'mon I tried.
"A remake of Alien 1 or 3?"
Not a remake, no. Sometimes people think if someone wants a story similar to any of the original movies, they want a remake. You can have a similar structure without remaking the same film. Would I like the formula to be repeated, yes. Sometimes it pays not to be picky. Give me a ship, some good characters, and an alien, and I'm a happy boy. People tend to forget how simple that first movie was, and yet, it was a masterwork.
So you want an Alien film with only 2 characters and almost nothing happens?
Might work as an arthouse film but this is a studio tentpole.
The David/Shaw story could work as a comic or novel, but no studio in their right mind will invest much money in a film with only 2 characters. Unless it's someone with MAJOR starpower.
The only movie I can think of that did something like that was Moon, but that was a low budget movie not a blockbuster.
You're not very realistic in your expectations, perhaps that's why you hate Covenant.
Quote from: necrotard on Dec 17, 2017, 03:54:31 AM
I'll just leave it at this:
The reason we have aliens in Covenant is because of online complaints.
Also, I'm guessing A:C was targeted to an international audience, and that meant making the movie resemble current Hollywood tent-poles. That is, lots of spectacle, etc. At the same time, most of that audience barely know about the earlier films, and producers believed that the film should have a genre switch (from the ancient astronaut story to action, similar to the first three films, which moved from horror to action to detective fiction). Because of that, they borrowed elements from the first and second movies (including crew members whose appearance allude to Dallas and Ripley, landing on the planetoid, infection, and survival as a crew numbers are whittled down) and coupled that with a continuation of the ancient astronaut tale.
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 17, 2017, 05:19:51 AM
"Then what would have saved the film for you, then? A remake of Alien 1 or 3? Because from the sounds of it, that's what you wanted and is why you don't like Covenant."
Yes, I'm ready for something different that focuses on the xenomorph hunting people. As far as covenant goes, what could have saved it would have been a giger-world horror fest, with shaw and david at the center of it.
If you're talking about re-writes, I'm a bit tired, so let's go with the assumption that paradise was the same as in covenant, and not like the interior of the juggernauts.
Had Covenant been about the events surrounding the trip to paradise, it would have been much better. For instance, the engineer technology is basically explained by David, and they depart. After some time, he gains shaw's trust again, and is repaired. We spend roughly 30-40 minutes with them on the juggernaut before shaw is put in cryosleep. Basically a longer version of what we saw in the extra scenes. After Shaw goes into cryo, we follow David for a short time, and see what he discovers, i.e. the true purpose of the black goo and the engineer's plans for our destruction, with possibly some greater motives and details revealed that could come into play in the 3rd movie. Perhaps some Great God figure, maybe the Alien as the Devil or something. Either way, we'd have answers to go on.
They'd arrive at paradise. David is having conflicting views on what to do, knowing the engineers will demand shaw's death, and most likely david's as well. He decides to black goo the engineers, even though it causes David some form of anguish, as he finds their hatred of humanity or perhaps some form of higher technology or ideals to be relatable. Maybe they are just creations of someone else, like him. As he destroys them, shaw is awakened. He is attacked by his beloved, and the ship is crashed. Shaw is infuriated with David, and leaves the city, and uses stores from Vickers pod to plant wheat and other crops to survive.
David, in his loneliness begins to wander the city and study everything. We're shown many beautiful interior and large rooms filled with sculptures and scrolls, great murals akin to the one's from Prometheus. Meanwhile shaw is busy building a basic habitat by the lake (homage to daniels here) During a particularly violent storm, David ventures somehow into a large room with a giant sculpture of the original Alien. Some minor inscriptions later, perhaps engineers worshipping the creature as some form of becoming a higher entity. Regardless, he is fascinated. He has found his purpose and searches the temple records for any data or instructions, thus beginning his experiments.
After some years, shaw returns to the city. She finds david in his temple, and is warmly greeted. David soon becomes evasive regarding his activities during the past few years, and tells shaw that he has located other ships below the city that they can use to get home. At some point, one of David's experiments escapes, and stalks shaw through the city. After a prolonged hunt, David kills the Alien as it is about to kill shaw. Shaw demands to know what David has really been doing. She refuses to understand, and leaves to take one of the engineer ships back to earth. Fearing being alone forever, or having his work undone by a returning human force, he follows and attacks her. Overcome with madness and severely wounded, he eventually releases his perfect creation, (the original face-hugger), which manages to overcome shaw just as she escapes. He says something biblical as the ship speeds away, perhaps "it is done" and dies.
Shaw awakens from coma aboard the ancient juggernaut, she climbs into the cockpit and sets a course for earth. She begins to record some kind of log or speech, in homage to the original Alien. As the movie seems to end, she screams and heaves, as the first chestburster, a queen, erupts from her chest. The juggernaut crashes on lv-426. The cockpit, sensing trauma to the pilot, engages an emergency signal. She dies, as the camera pans down to a smoking hole in the floor.
Mic Drop
C'mon I tried.
"A remake of Alien 1 or 3?"
Not a remake, no. Sometimes people think if someone wants a story similar to any of the original movies, they want a remake. You can have a similar structure without remaking the same film. Would I like the formula to be repeated, yes. Sometimes it pays not to be picky. Give me a ship, some good characters, and an alien, and I'm a happy boy. People tend to forget how simple that first movie was, and yet, it was a masterwork.
No offense but that sounds REALLY f**king bad. I guess we just have conflicting views on what is good in this franchise.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 17, 2017, 01:21:51 AM
No, you will never please everyone. And even when you try to do that, you end up with a mess.
At least Ridley has a vision. Some may not like it, but Ridley is a real filmmaker. He's made more classics than most directors alive today. He's not just another Disney hack making a movie run by committee.
Sad state of affairs when that's what most people want. Generic pap. The McDonalds of the filmmaking world. Yuck.
I'd classify Covenant haters:
1. Massive Aliens fanboys who just want more colonial marines, pulse rifles, etc
2. Kids (see above)
3. Conservative Alien fans who believe everything must stick to the previously established rules
4. Homophobes (?)
:)
But seriously, if you don't like Covenant that's your business and I don't mean to imply anything.
About Ridley and the film, that reminds me of one of the reviews (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/29/alien-covenant-and-the-too-many-monsters-problem) of the film. Apparently, what was used effectively in the first two films was overused in this one. Characters who were multi-dimensional in the earlier films now became almost forgettable in this one, with producers attempting to show otherwise by even trying to make them look like characters from the earlier films. Other points are raised in the essay, and there are more in other reviews, but the point is that the movies are at best average, and they could have been better given more revisions in writing that would have led to more sympathetic characters, a careful buildup to the climax, etc. Instead, what we have are films that resemble contemporary Hollywood tent-poles: too much emphasis on spectacle, lots of content packed in leading to poor character development, and other problems that ultimately lead to movies that are merely filling and barely memorable.
"No offense "
None taken. It's cool. If everyone felt and thought the same way about these movies, this would be a very boring place. Thanks for keeping it civil. :) That being said, keep in mind I was stone tired when I wrote that, I'd been up 26 hours and wrote it in 7 minutes. I fell asleep once while doing it. (insert fell asleep while reading it joke, I know). But I have to wonder if something akin to that was the final script for covenant, or my last name was lindelof, it would be getting defended to the death by some on here.
Many of the details are nearly the same as the final film. I tweaked very little. Interesting. Was it the fact that I basically ended the prequels, and did away with any need for a 3rd one that was so frustrating? I don't ask this out of any sense of mean-spritedness or sarcastic ribbing, I truly am curious if ending the prequels with covenant would honestly have created some backlash within the pro-prequel camp?
And to clarify, when I say the final film, I mean the events preceeding the arrival of the covenant. The events surrounding David and shaw, at least what we know of it. Aside from being stalked by an alien, and her ultimate fate, this is pretty darn close to what we got.
"So you want an Alien film with only 2 characters and almost nothing happens? "
No Sir. The re-write featuring David and Shaw was only a re-write of the final film, and very little was changed. That was just one of several suggestions. The giger world featuring david and shaw, I think, would have been a good direction for the prequels to take after Prometheus. To have Shaw believe she is traveling towards paradise, only to end up in absolute hell fighting to survive would have been (I think) a great next step. It's hard to imagine anything but a giger inspired horror world doing that. Perhaps Alien growth overtook paradise, I don't know. But it sure would be an exciting thing to see one day.
As for the film I'd prefer, I'd rather have a full cast of good actors who have been well written. The original cast was like that, with Parker being my personal favorite. They were a very believable group of regular people, and the audience could relate more easily to that. There were no clueless scientists (Prometheus) No religious fanatics who were sumo-clueless (Oram), no beast fodder (entirety of covenant crew besides daniels) No terminator style robot face-offs.
Like I've said, give me a well rounded group of actors portraying normal/relatable people. No special missions, no "earth is counting on you" sort of thing. Just regular folks who step into something horrible. And one by one, it all goes south.
"You're not very realistic in your expectations, perhaps that's why you hate Covenant"
Can we not use the word Hate, it's such a negative term. I do not, and never will "hate" anything, including covenant. I merely find it dull and unsatisfying. As for my expectations, the last thing I've done with the prequels has been to set my expectations higher than a grain of salt. I merely stated what I'd like to have seen. But, the prequels will end, God willing someday. And something is going to come after that. I feel safe in thinking that Disney will never allow anything as philosophical as the prequels to be made of this franchise again. And for that day, I wait expectantly.
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 17, 2017, 06:53:44 PM
"No offense "
None taken. It's cool. If everyone felt and thought the same way about these movies, this would be a very boring place. Thanks for keeping it civil. :) That being said, keep in mind I was stone tired when I wrote that, I'd been up 26 hours and wrote it in 7 minutes. I fell asleep once while doing it. (insert fell asleep while reading it joke, I know). But I have to wonder if something akin to that was the final script for covenant, or my last name was lindelof, it would be getting defended to the death by some on here.
Many of the details are nearly the same as the final film. I tweaked very little. Interesting. Was it the fact that I basically ended the prequels, and did away with any need for a 3rd one that was so frustrating? I don't ask this out of any sense of mean-spritedness or sarcastic ribbing, I truly am curious if ending the prequels with covenant would honestly have created some backlash within the pro-prequel camp?
And to clarify, when I say the final film, I mean the events preceeding the arrival of the covenant. The events surrounding David and shaw, at least what we know of it. Aside from being stalked by an alien, and her ultimate fate, this is pretty darn close to what we got.
It's just sounds too normal, focusing too much on interpersonal characterization rather than the almost mythological-time feel that Covenant has. I'm not interested in David and Shaw holding hands or getting mad at each other, I'm interested in how the movie portrays the inexorable drive to create, trespass and fever-dream births.
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Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 15, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
Everybody should remember that this deal still has to clear a few legal, regulatory hurdles. It is possible that several different government agencies could block this transaction. Considering that the current climate is very uncertain with regard to mergers and acquisitions (AT&T and Time Warner's merger is currently facing a regulatory hurdle), this deal could face some scrutiny.
From my own personal analysis, if the deal goes through, a lot will depend on who stays and who goes in the leadership positions. Stacey Snider, currently heading the film division, has hinted another Alien will go forward. But, rumors are swirling in the trade magazines that she will be leaving her post.
So, we have several different possibilities:
1) Within the next 12-18 months, there is a transition period where many of the same staff will stay in place. The current staff quickly greenlights the next Alien film and it moves into production
2) Snider, Emma Watts, or some remaining deciders stay and move ahead with the next Alien film.
3) Disney puts on the breaks and brings in someone new. This new person will do an evaluation and what happens is anybody's guess.
If they are following their current model, we could see:
a) Star Wars-like soft reboot/sequel with many of the same formulas of the previous entries
b) Indiana Jones-like status - working with the original talent (Spielberg, Marshall, Ford) with a "promise" to make a film but no serious work commitments
c) Or obviously the film gets shelved.
Boy, I hope Ridley finishes Cartel fast and starts production on Awakening before Disney takes over because just reading this morning of what happened with Last Jedi, I can't fathom what they'll do with the franchise.
What happened with The Last Jedi? I haven't seen it yet, so if it's spoiler related, please don't tell. ;)
I've been reading various forums and seeing the mediocre audience scores on Metacritic and RT for the film, it seems that many are complaining how they don't properly handled the legacy characters, how the film feels like a MCU property, awkward comedy bits, sloppy editing, not furthering what was set up in Force Awakens, plus other stuff that I won't mention since it goes into spoiler territory.
I've seen The Last Jedi. As a Star Wars fan, I found it to be very disappointing - perhaps, for different reasons than other people.
I'll do my best to avoid spoiling the film but if you are concerned, don't read on if you want to avoid any spoilers....
My biggest gripe was that like The Force Awakens, this latest sequel pretty much takes very iconic scenes, plot threads, and formulas and just repurposes them with new characters. People were promised "big surprises" - but to be honest, there are no big surprises. The film takes 90% of what the previous films did and spins the remaining 10% into something a little different. This little difference is so minimal, that it is quite insulting to describe the film as "unexpected or surprising".
I won't go into further detail as I don't want to spoil specific story elements.
If they take the same formula to the Alien series, a lot of the originality of the series may be lost. This could please some fans who want to see a re-hash of the older films, but I don't think it will please the general public.
This could mean a breath of fresh air for the avp movies and more.
I felt like disney had fox by the balls whe disney bought lucas arts and all that. And i tink since disney owns marvel films that we will see aliens and predators a plenty down the road with a ton of cash behind it.
This might be a good thing. Disney can't do worse than what we've already gotten. Arguable both franchises have lost their glory so maybe this could lead to some change that isn't awful. I am sick of Predators always being the good guys and lesser of two evils with Aliens (I miss AVP Classic where Preds were treated as just as deadly as aliens, maybe even deadlier) and I am sick of Aliens being changed from mysterious cosmic terror to freak mistakes from gray baldies. Hopefully they will both be restored to their roots. It seems unlikely because while I am not a Star Wars fan I see mixed results from the Disney SW movies from friends. Only time will tell for sure though.
Scott's next "Alien movie" isn't under production yet. So in my opinion, Scott needs to be punished by Disney after his smack talk about the xenomorph. Cancel his trilogy and start again with something different. Maybe with Blomkamp's vision.
Just think about it. How the mighty "Scott" has fallen. This would be so deep, so elitist. People would speak of this for decades.
Star Wars: The Last SJW, was one of the worst excuses for a movie, i have ever fng seen. and i do not need to explain why to anyone that appreciates film as an "art form". merry CHRISTMAS to all.
Will we see the Disney logo at the start of The Predator
I'd rather have Scott finish his trilogy than just another bug hunt movie. If not just adapt one of DH Alien comics.
I do not expect anythign good out of disney, they pretty much ruin everything they touch, a shame really
Disney is impressive.
Disney can't go anymore worse then Fox. Prometheus Alien Covenant Avpr are all bad films. Predators has its fair share of fans. And we wait to see if The Predator is good.
"It's just sounds too normal"
I agree. That's kind of what I was going for. It's honestly what I figured Scott would do if he chose to focus on David's obsession with Shaw, or just a basic (bare bones) continuation of Prometheus. Perhaps the unwanted inclusion of the xenomorphs in Covenant, may have had a more significant effect on the finished film than I first thought. I do hope though that we one day get at least a novel or something that more thoroughly details the events leading from Prometheus to covenant. It might make for some good close-quarters tension, and any further information David learned about the engineers would be interesting. Regardless of what happens to the franchise after the 3rd film, I hope Ridley really nails it home with the last one. I may not be a fan of the prequels, but if we must have one more, I'd rather it be a solid film, and see Ridley go out strong.
Quote from: Creditor on Dec 18, 2017, 07:24:23 PM
I'd rather have Scott finish his trilogy than just another bug hunt movie. If not just adapt one of DH Alien comics.
A lot of DH comics are "bug hunt" scenarios.
I've always said i'd love to see one of the strange ones, like Labrynth, get turned into a movie, but SM was right when he said it wouldn't happen. Not conventional enough.
That's precisely what I would expect Disney to do. Something on the straight and narrow. Well made, but probably not too memorable.
There needs to be some light at the end to make the protagonists struggle worthwhile. Labyrinth lacks that completely.
I know! But that's what I love about it.
In a parallel reality where more art-housey Alien films could get made, someone like David Fincher or David Cronenburg delivering such a deliciously bleak and nasty film.
I don't imagine Disney spending millions to bring it to the screen though.
Quote from: necrotard on Dec 17, 2017, 01:12:27 AM
What if Scott's third prequel establishes that David is the re-creator and not the creator? Wouldn't that undo some of the "damage" that Covenant haters perceive?
While I don't hate Covenant, I severely dislike how it shoehorned and used the Aliens in the film. I think I'd be willing to accept that retcon but with how poorly they handled the "course correction" on Covenant I'm not sure I'd feel confident that any course correction in Awakening would be any good.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 17, 2017, 01:21:51 AM
At least Ridley has a vision. Some may not like it, but Ridley is a real filmmaker. He's made more classics than most directors alive today. He's not just another Disney hack making a movie run by committee.
No, unfortunately he's a victim of his own success where he's no longer a part of a bigger machine whose talents work together to make an all around great film - Alien.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 17, 2017, 01:21:51 AM
I'd classify Covenant haters:
1. Massive Aliens fanboys who just want more colonial marines, pulse rifles, etc
2. Kids (see above)
3. Conservative Alien fans who believe everything must stick to the previously established rules
4. Homophobes (?)
:)
But seriously, if you don't like Covenant that's your business and I don't mean to imply anything.
You're dogged refusal to accept any other than these reasons for people's dislike for Covenant is just painful to read. It's as bad as the people who throw shade at fans of Covenant.
Quote from: necrotard on Dec 17, 2017, 03:54:31 AM
I'll just leave it at this:
The reason we have aliens in Covenant is because of online complaints.
Of a complaint so far down on the list of the reasons people disliked Prometheus.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 19, 2017, 08:16:02 AM
I know! But that's what I love about it.
In a parallel reality where more art-housey Alien films could get made, someone like David Fincher or David Cronenburg delivering such a deliciously bleak and nasty film.
I've said this before, but David Cronenberg is the only other director I'd trust with an Alien film at this point.
It's funny how Fox got to do a 4th Predator film just like doing 4 Alien films right before the Disney deal. Not counting the Avp films. What I mean is
Fox- Predator, Predator 2, Predators, The Predator.
Fox- Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Ressurrection.
:'( :'( bruh sooner or later Disney is gonna control the world
Is The Predator movie called that because of the 10 foot Predator that we are going to see in the movie? There must be a meaning for the title. That's the Pred that will reclaim the stolen technology from the humans.
A lot of people are assuming that Disney will do a soft reboot of the Alien series. Certainly, that makes sense if you look at how they've handled Star Wars.
However, there is also a strong possibility that Disney just shelves the entire film series for some time, possibly forever. While I am just speculating and do not claim to have inside information, if you examine Disney's business model, they are not in the business of small returns on investment.
Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar - they all invest millions and expect millions upon millions more in profit.
If the Disney deal goes through, they may took a look at Alien and decide that it doesn't fit within Disney's pre-established business model. Prometheus (a new take on the Alien series) made a decent return - but not the level Disney generally expects. Alien Covenant (a sort of throwback to the original) probably broke even/made a small profit. Also, not Disney's traditional standard for financial success. Disney is in the business of making a few movies - but all are expected to be heavy weights.
Unless they change business strategy, the Alien series may just not be what Disney is interested in economically.
People have to keep this one very important fact in mind - Disney intends to launch its own streaming service to compete with Netflix. That was likely one of the major reasons to acquire Fox - to get their vast library to place on this new streaming service.
They are not necessarily interested in re-launching all of Fox's storied franchises. There is of course a possibility that they could create an Alien TV show or even a lower budgeted movie made specifically for this new service (not theatrical release).
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 19, 2017, 08:59:30 PM
A lot of people are assuming that Disney will do a soft reboot of the Alien series. Certainly, that makes sense if you look at how they've handled Star Wars.
However, there is also a strong possibility that Disney just shelves the entire film series for some time, possibly forever. While I am just speculating and do not claim to have inside information, if you examine Disney's business model, they are not in the business of small returns on investment.
Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar - they all invest millions and expect millions upon millions more in profit.
If the Disney deal goes through, they may took a look at Alien and decide that it doesn't fit within Disney's pre-established business model. Prometheus (a new take on the Alien series) made a decent return - but not the level Disney generally expects. Alien Covenant (a sort of throwback to the original) probably broke even/made a small profit. Also, not Disney's traditional standard for financial success. Disney is in the business of making a few movies - but all are expected to be heavy weights.
Unless they change business strategy, the Alien series may just not be what Disney is interested in economically.
This is just a fancy way of saying Disney doesn't like to take any risks (greed). Just look at the The Last Jedi; it's full of forced comedy and generic elements from classic Star Wars, again.
If Disney were to do this with an ALIEN, it would undoubtedly be with Cameron's movie, because action sells. And you're spot on about Disney's business model expecting ridiculous amounts of profit in return, which makes the dreaded PG-13 rating all the more plausible. *shudders*
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 19, 2017, 08:59:30 PM
There is also a strong possibility that Disney just shelves the entire film series for some time.
A kinda sad but realistic prediction :P
If next movies would be like Alien: Covenant, I'm OK with the series getting put in the freezer for a while :P
Disney knows this series is still chugging along because of Cameron's masterpiece Aliens. My bet is that they find a way to continue that story and give us more like that. ...which would be epic!
Think of it this way, Disney gets Avatar which is the icing on this cake. But Avatar lives off of many of the same elements that made Aliens great, sooo... they get 2 Cameron master works. It's a no brainer which direction the should go in..
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 19, 2017, 09:55:32 PM
This is just a fancy way of saying Disney doesn't like to take any risks (greed). Just look at the The Last Jedi; it's full of forced comedy and generic elements from classic Star Wars, again.
If Disney were to do this with an ALIEN, it would undoubtedly be with Cameron's movie, because action sells. And you're spot on about Disney's business model expecting ridiculous amounts of profit in return, which makes the dreaded PG-13 rating all the more plausible. *shudders*
The PG rating might also be seen as a sweet spot (https://www.thewrap.com/pg-13-vs-r-movies-how-each-rating-stacks-up-at-the-box-office/).
"No, unfortunately he's a victim of his own success where he's no longer a part of a bigger machine whose talents work together to make an all around great film - Alien"
Well said. Alien 1979 was one of those instances where all the right people came together to make the perfect film. And it goes without saying, everyone else aside, without Mr. Giger, this universe and it's wonderful films may well never have existed. The uniqueness and beauty of the beast is a key reason it has survived this long. When you hear the name "Ridley Scott", it can be easy to forget all the talented folks who made the original film what it was. But assuming Ridley can push through something of similar quality is like listening to Zeppelin play without either Plant or Jimmy Page. You know what you're hearing, but it's not everything it could and should be.
A lot of talented people worked on Prometheus and Alien Covenant too, you know.
It's not like Alien was a collaborative effort but Prometheus/Covenant is 100% Ridley.
Maybe the intention is to downplay Ridley Scott's role in crafting the original Alien, because of all the vitriol for the prequels.
"A lot of talented people worked on Prometheus and Alien Covenant too, you know."
That's a very valid point. And in know way was I understating the capabilities of the crews of those films. I've stated before that no matter what anyone who dislikes Covenant thinks, there can be no doubt that it was designed and filmed as well as could be.
My point was merely that Ridley has got his vision and by golly that's what is going on the film. Back in 1979, if I recall Ridley may not have been in that particular position. You had a group of excellent people working toward a common goal. The man has got serious pull now.
And he's gonna use it.
I doubt he had more or less control, other than the script because he was involved in that on Prometheus/Covenant, but not on Alien 1979 where it was already done and he was director for hire. Other than that I don't get how he has more pull now.
This is not like a George Lucas situation where he owns the property and can do what he wants.
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 20, 2017, 04:56:09 AM
A lot of talented people worked on Prometheus and Alien Covenant too, you know.
It's not like Alien was a collaborative effort but Prometheus/Covenant is 100% Ridley.
Damn right there were many talented people working on the prequels but they weren't the ones in the driving seat. Scott has far more sway than he used to. People don't vito his "bad ideas" like they used to - like that bites off Ripley's head and talks ending for Alien.
The narrative of these prequels is pretty much coming from Ridley. He's calling the shots. We may get the odd studio mandated thing (the Alien in Covenant) but he's the one dictating where the story is going, he's the one telling the writers what to do. Scott isn't a writer. His writers aren't telling him what is a bad idea and if he is, they're not being listened too. Lindelof and warning Scott about the lack of clarity with Prometheus, Spaihts having to figure out how to include Scott's random ideas into Engineers.
QuoteMaybe the intention is to downplay Ridley Scott's role in crafting the original Alien, because of all the vitriol for the prequels.
Not at all. Just to remind people that Alien's success doesn't lie all on Scott's shoulders. He didn't enjoy the influence he has now, back then.
Ridley has a head full of great ideas. The problem is you can't throw all the ingredients into the pot and expect a five star dish.
Why can't Disney hire James Cameron to make a new Aliens film? I would like to see Neil Blomkamps Alien movie too. I wonder why James Cameron feel's the need to make 4 Avatar sequel's.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2017, 08:35:37 AM
Damn right there were many talented people working on the prequels but they weren't the ones in the driving seat. Scott has far more sway than he used to. People don't vito his "bad ideas" like they used to - like that bites off Ripley's head and talks ending for Alien.
The narrative of these prequels is pretty much coming from Ridley. He's calling the shots. We may get the odd studio mandated thing (the Alien in Covenant) but he's the one dictating where the story is going, he's the one telling the writers what to do. Scott isn't a writer. His writers aren't telling him what is a bad idea and if he is, they're not being listened too. Lindelof and warning Scott about the lack of clarity with Prometheus, Spaihts having to figure out how to include Scott's random ideas into Engineers.
You've nailed it exactly. Ridley Scott isn't a writer but the way he develops his scripts nowadays he might as well be picking up a pen and writing it himself.
And when he doesn't actually develop the script himself you get The Martian (92% RT) and All the Money in the World (90% RT). Or Alien and Blade Runner, back in the day when he wasn't yet a victim of his own immense success and writers and producers still had the guts to say no to his iffy story ideas.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2017, 08:35:37 AM
People don't vito his "bad ideas" like they used to - like that bites off Ripley's head and talks ending for Alien.
Or Ash the Martian! :laugh:
For all the people wondering if Disney is going to completely rule out the idea of making an R film, you're wrong. It also bought Fox Searchlight, the "independent" movie portion of Fox. The part that produced Juno, Birdman, and particularly, Black Swan. I don't see this as a move of Disney moving to continue to go down the course of just producing media for children and teenagers.
I really believe they want a piece of the pie for adults as well. I mean why would Fox Searchlight be part of the deal if they didn't?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2017, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 20, 2017, 04:56:09 AM
A lot of talented people worked on Prometheus and Alien Covenant too, you know.
It's not like Alien was a collaborative effort but Prometheus/Covenant is 100% Ridley.
Damn right there were many talented people working on the prequels but they weren't the ones in the driving seat. Scott has far more sway than he used to. People don't vito his "bad ideas" like they used to - like that bites off Ripley's head and talks ending for Alien.
The narrative of these prequels is pretty much coming from Ridley. He's calling the shots. We may get the odd studio mandated thing (the Alien in Covenant) but he's the one dictating where the story is going, he's the one telling the writers what to do. Scott isn't a writer. His writers aren't telling him what is a bad idea and if he is, they're not being listened too. Lindelof and warning Scott about the lack of clarity with Prometheus, Spaihts having to figure out how to include Scott's random ideas into Engineers.
QuoteMaybe the intention is to downplay Ridley Scott's role in crafting the original Alien, because of all the vitriol for the prequels.
Not at all. Just to remind people that Alien's success doesn't lie all on Scott's shoulders. He didn't enjoy the influence he has now, back then.
Scott told Lindelof to these some plot points ambiguous (mysterious), because he felt it was more interesting that way.
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Dec 20, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
For all the people wondering if Disney is going to completely rule out the idea of making an R film, you're wrong. It also bought Fox Searchlight, the "independent" movie portion of Fox. The part that produced Juno, Birdman, and particularly, Black Swan. I don't see this as a move of Disney moving to continue to go down the course of just producing media for children and teenagers.
I really believe they want a piece of the pie for adults as well. I mean why would Fox Searchlight be part of the deal if they didn't?
You don't really need to include Fox Searchlight as such - they bought Fox. Fox makes R-rated films.
Do you guys think that we will finally get to see the NC-17 version of Predator 2? Now that Disney owns the Predator franchise. They should release it in a new DVD/Blu-ray set. That would be so awsome
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 21, 2017, 01:29:31 AM
Scott told Lindelof to these some plot points ambiguous (mysterious), because he felt it was more interesting that way.
I understand why Scott told Lindelof to do it but the point is Scott told Lindelof to do it, despite Lindelof's warnings about his experience doing that kind of thing on Lost.
Quote from: SM on Dec 21, 2017, 02:29:35 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Dec 20, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
For all the people wondering if Disney is going to completely rule out the idea of making an R film, you're wrong. It also bought Fox Searchlight, the "independent" movie portion of Fox. The part that produced Juno, Birdman, and particularly, Black Swan. I don't see this as a move of Disney moving to continue to go down the course of just producing media for children and teenagers.
I really believe they want a piece of the pie for adults as well. I mean why would Fox Searchlight be part of the deal if they didn't?
You don't really need to include Fox Searchlight as such - they bought Fox. Fox makes R-rated films.
Whos_Nick mentioned somewhere that Disney are keeping Fox Searchlight and Fox 2000 as their own entities so it might be likely that any R-rated properties might be shifted under those banners.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Dec 21, 2017, 08:00:14 AM
Do you guys think that we will finally get to see the NC-17 version of Predator 2? Now that Disney owns the Predator franchise. They should release it in a new DVD/Blu-ray set. That would be so awsome
It's unlikely but we can hope so.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2017, 08:22:22 AM
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 21, 2017, 01:29:31 AM
Scott told Lindelof to these some plot points ambiguous (mysterious), because he felt it was more interesting that way.
I understand why Scott told Lindelof to do it but the point is Scott told Lindelof to do it, despite Lindelof's warnings about his experience doing that kind of thing on Lost.
Quote from: SM on Dec 21, 2017, 02:29:35 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Dec 20, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
For all the people wondering if Disney is going to completely rule out the idea of making an R film, you're wrong. It also bought Fox Searchlight, the "independent" movie portion of Fox. The part that produced Juno, Birdman, and particularly, Black Swan. I don't see this as a move of Disney moving to continue to go down the course of just producing media for children and teenagers.
I really believe they want a piece of the pie for adults as well. I mean why would Fox Searchlight be part of the deal if they didn't?
You don't really need to include Fox Searchlight as such - they bought Fox. Fox makes R-rated films.
Whos_Nick mentioned somewhere that Disney are keeping Fox Searchlight and Fox 2000 as their own entities so it might be likely that any R-rated properties might be shifted under those banners.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Dec 21, 2017, 08:00:14 AM
Do you guys think that we will finally get to see the NC-17 version of Predator 2? Now that Disney owns the Predator franchise. They should release it in a new DVD/Blu-ray set. That would be so awsome
It's unlikely but we can hope so.
Scott was right in the end about it though. It does make the film more interesting to watch when you have to fill in some of the holes with your own imagination instead of having everything told to you in minute detail. The latter will almost always fall flat too.
The biggest weaknesses in Prometheus and Covenant are really the weak character decisions and a few nonsensical plot points.
I see a lot of people complain about the "sjw" theme in the new Star Wars movie. I think the reason why I don't see any complaints over Ripley is that she clearly worked hard and suffered in order to survive. We could see the sweat, blood, and her hard breathing. It was believable that she survived when the others who were more trained and more stronger didn't. I'm afraid that the next series would lose this theme if Disney buys Fox.
Ripley happened during a period no internet.
Ripley is also a really strong character though, unlike most of the characters in the new Star Wars movies.
Something just occurred to me: does Disney own Turk now or is he the intellectual property of Gearbox?? :-\
Ridley Scott reminds me of George Lucas in that regard: He's a great visual storyteller, but writing wise, it's not his strong point.
FWIW, his IMDB entry shows that he's been credited only four times as a writer, and for short features.
Quote from: GreybackElder on Dec 14, 2017, 11:22:28 PM
I'm amazed at all of the negative feedback on here. How can you give up on these franchise just because Disney has bought out Fox. I mean c'mon! Fox had their chance and they've bungled things for decades. The Alien and Predator franchises have had no clear direction. No end game and certainly no continuity. I know not everyone is a fan of the " new Star Wars " films but look at what Disney has done for the franchise! It's bigger and better than ever! We have Star Wars coming out of our ears. Just imagine what the Disney machine can do for Alien!
Over commercialise it? Yeah, that is a worry.
If they continue to make Alien films, I'd hope they'd realise it's horror first and foremost, it supposed to be disturbing. Happy endings are not to be predicted.
Quote from: Shinawi on Dec 25, 2017, 07:03:37 PM
I see a lot of people complain about the "sjw" theme in the new Star Wars movie. I think the reason why I don't see any complaints over Ripley is that she clearly worked hard and suffered in order to survive. We could see the sweat, blood, and her hard breathing. It was believable that she survived when the others who were more trained and more stronger didn't. I'm afraid that the next series would lose this theme if Disney buys Fox.
The SJW thing in the latest Star Wars is, I believe, more to do with Kathleen Kennedy's making an issue where there really wasn't one to redress. Leia more than held her own against her two contemporaries in the original trilogy, TLJ does big up the female wisdom and aptitude at the expense of portraying males as hot headed characters that need to be sidelined or put in their place. It strangely comes across as far more sexist than a film made in 1977. To me it was the one really obvious flaw in an otherwise enjoyable film. 'The Force is Female' as Kennedy quipped, is not really the egalitarian approach to character study you could hope for.
You could well be right in a new Ripley figure simply being another positive female role model rather than a character that develops and shows her worth. Essentially you don't make one sex look stronger by making the other look weaker, far better to write believable characters that both men and women can relate to.
Star Wars was a sausage party for 6 films over the better part of 30 years, and now because there's more than one woman per saga people are whining about 'social justice'?
ffs...
I'm definitely not a fan of overtly political bullshit myself. For example, I cringed during the "animal abuse and slavery are bad" part, but never once during this film did I feel like I was having "women r good" shoved down my throat.
Like, I can't help but feel that if somebody felt they were being forced fed SJW-ism, that person might actually harbor some subconscious sexism.
Maybe minus the sub.
Quote from: SM on Jan 01, 2018, 06:34:29 AM
Star Wars was a sausage party for 6 films over the better part of 30 years, and now because there's more than one woman per saga people are whining about 'social justice'?
ffs...
From what I gather reading various reviews I don't think it's about the amount of women who appear in the film (I thought all the female cast were very good) it's that there are people claiming the reason it's one of the best films is because it's a reaction against toxic masculinity, apparently the new buzz phrase. Personally if the phrase was excessive machismo, I could buy into that notion to a certain degree. I'd say though that it is largely reviewers pushing their own agendas and putting Disney's approach under the spotlight that's making it more of a talking point than it needs to be.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2017, 06:38:48 PM
Something just occurred to me: does Disney own Turk now or is he the intellectual property of Gearbox?? :-\
Turk is now a Disney prince Trouble.
Looking forward to
Turk: An Alien Story with Daniel Day-Lewis.
Quote from: Gash on Jan 01, 2018, 03:52:46 AM
You could well be right in a new Ripley figure simply being another positive female role model rather than a character that develops and shows her worth. Essentially you don't make one sex look stronger by making the other look weaker, far better to write believable characters that both men and women can relate to.
To be honest, I wish we'd just have characters and they sort gender depending on the actor/resses they cast for the role. Any changes for gender can be made then.
People don't like anything. They're all going to die young of heart attacks from self-induced stress.
Quote from: Gate on Jan 01, 2018, 05:42:28 PM
People don't like anything. They're all going to die young of heart attacks from self-induced stress.
Sometimes it really seems that way, with the fractured fandoms, hipster hate BS, and the obnoxious decline of YouTube reviewers and criticism in general going around. I really hate how it's all gone together to gaslight the public, to convince us that what we saw wasn't what we actually saw, that something we know for a fact is great is shit, and vice versa. Coupled with certain individuals' self-righteous, self-absorbed, bordering on messianic tendencies and beliefs (the obvious decline of promising individuals like Doug Walker aka The Nostalgia Critic, TheMysteriousMrEnter and Angry Joe, and the undeserved attention or fandom of CinemaSins, RedLetterMedia, moviebob, ReviewTechUSA and ConfusedMatthew), it all leads to a thoroughly toxic environment where it seems like no one can just enjoy a movie, a game, a show or a book without flame wars, being at each others' throats, and interjecting themes and beliefs (religious, social, economic or political) in their viewings of these things when they weren't actually there in the first place, something extremists on the left and the right are very guilty of. Not to mention, it's so easy for lazy myths and memes to become established fact, whether it is Star Wars not actually being good past the original trilogy, The Simpsons being in creative decline simply because no season past Season 8 is a virtually perfect one anymore even if the show is still in fact quite funny and yes, heartwarming, Metallica not doing anything worthwhile after Master of Puppets, Call of Duty being irredeemably awful and having "killed real FPS titles", and on and on. It's truly sickening. Do people just want to look for things to hate and take any chance to tear it down, even if it means contradicting an earlier point they made?
Quote from: Toxic34 on Jan 01, 2018, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: Gate on Jan 01, 2018, 05:42:28 PM
People don't like anything. They're all going to die young of heart attacks from self-induced stress.
Sometimes it really seems that way, with the fractured fandoms, hipster hate BS, and the obnoxious decline of YouTube reviewers and criticism in general going around. I really hate how it's all gone together to gaslight the public, to convince us that what we saw wasn't what we actually saw, that something we know for a fact is great is shit, and vice versa. Coupled with certain individuals' self-righteous, self-absorbed, bordering on messianic tendencies and beliefs (the obvious decline of promising individuals like Doug Walker aka The Nostalgia Critic, TheMysteriousMrEnter and Angry Joe, and the undeserved attention or fandom of CinemaSins, RedLetterMedia, moviebob, ReviewTechUSA and ConfusedMatthew), it all leads to a thoroughly toxic environment where it seems like no one can just enjoy a movie, a game, a show or a book without flame wars, being at each others' throats, and interjecting themes and beliefs (religious, social, economic or political) in their viewings of these things when they weren't actually there in the first place, something extremists on the left and the right are very guilty of. Not to mention, it's so easy for lazy myths and memes to become established fact, whether it is Star Wars not actually being good past the original trilogy, The Simpsons being in creative decline simply because no season past Season 8 is a virtually perfect one anymore even if the show is still in fact quite funny and yes, heartwarming, Metallica not doing anything worthwhile after Master of Puppets, Call of Duty being irredeemably awful and having "killed real FPS titles", and on and on. It's truly sickening. Do people just want to look for things to hate and take any chance to tear it down, even if it means contradicting an earlier point they made?
The thing is, social media has our inherent tribalism ramped up to 11. Popular narratives affect us everyday on various platforms. The vast majority of people are so blind to themselves and the way their reactions, thoughts and behavior are shaped by outside factor. I've read a few comments here with people saying "I liked TLJ on the first view, but then thinking about the movie over a couple of days I realized bla bla" i. e. "I liked the movie at first, but then my opinion was slowly warped by youtube reviews with lots of views and likes.".
This thing only seems to get worse. Fake news, targeted ads, climate change deniers, organic food fanatics etc. will only increase.
That thing about Metallica is pretty much true though.
Also Metallica has
not done anything worthwhile since Master of Puppets.
;D
Quote from: SM on Jan 01, 2018, 10:34:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEAsGoP-5I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEAsGoP-5I)
That was absolutely worth the watch. I hate that channel and how it seems to make everyone more comfortable being blind snobs.
I like how a channel called CinemaWins got created specifically to counter CinemaSin's tidal wive of ubiquitously negative bullshit across the internet.
The new Star Wars definitely wasn't so bad that it deserved all the negative response. Pretty cool film actually, though I will admit watching so many negative online reviews made it feel a bit spoiled after the fact for me. I mean I watched the movie first before seeing any commentaries and it was fun, then the negativity kind of ruined it for me... a bit. Not completely.
https://twitter.com/ManaByte/status/984514823458193408
That's a non-news.
We all knew the buyout was proposed last December and the approvation process takes up 12-18 months, so...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fox-m-a-comcast-exclusive/exclusive-comcast-prepares-all-cash-bid-to-gate-crash-disney-fox-deal-sources-idUSKBN1I82I7
Quote(Reuters) - U.S. cable operator Comcast Corp is asking investment banks to increase a bridge financing facility by as much as $60 billion so it can make an all-cash offer for the media assets that Twenty-First Century Fox Inc has agreed to sell to Walt Disney Co for $52 billion, three people familiar with the matter said on Monday.
Via RidgeTop.
So people here complain about Comcast as a cable company... but don't they own Universal Studios? Couldn't Universal be a good home for our two favorite R-rated sci-fi horror franchises?
On the surface it'd seem more of a suitable home for Alien and Predator than anything Disney owned.
I'd love another Disney style film like Aliens. For all intents and purposes that was an adult fairy tale just like Pan's Labyrinth.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2018, 07:32:42 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fox-m-a-comcast-exclusive/exclusive-comcast-prepares-all-cash-bid-to-gate-crash-disney-fox-deal-sources-idUSKBN1I82I7
Quote(Reuters) - U.S. cable operator Comcast Corp is asking investment banks to increase a bridge financing facility by as much as $60 billion so it can make an all-cash offer for the media assets that Twenty-First Century Fox Inc has agreed to sell to Walt Disney Co for $52 billion, three people familiar with the matter said on Monday.
Via RidgeTop.
Interesting... I thought the sale of Fox (except for Fox News Corp) to Disney was already a done deal.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2018, 07:46:46 AM
On the surface it'd seem more of a suitable home for Alien and Predator than anything Disney owned.
It's also possible they might give the Alien franchise higher priority than Disney might. Disney already owns so many huge IP's that generate tremendous amounts of revenue that they will obviously focus on those. Also no issue with generating and distributing R-rated content under the Universal Studios banner.
Quote from: necrotard on May 08, 2018, 07:41:34 AM
So people here complain about Comcast as a cable company... but don't they own Universal Studios? Couldn't Universal be a good home for our two favorite R-rated sci-fi horror franchises?
I doubt it is any different elsewhere but there really isn't any good cable company in the US. Still it makes sense for them to try and buy fox. There isn't really all that much left in the world to buy in the entertainment market if you think about it. There'd be no point in waiting.
Can't imagine Disney would let X-Men go.
That is true but we're going to see just how much they really want it now. If I'm in Comcast shoes, they should put up a decent fight to secure the content. Not that I want them to have any of it but you can't let a once in a lifetime deal go by the waist side.
Comcast could always sell the various Marvel IPs back to Disney, couldn't they?
Indeed and that could be part of their new strategy. However by the time the bids balloon what would be the point. I think it's an all or nothing deal. Let's be honest, when will the next time any of these properties be back up for purchase? This is take or leave it moment.
It's not just X-Men, in the right hands they could do something with Fantastic Four.
Plus Cameron's got them Avatar flicks.
Nerdy fantasy: Disney sells Alien to Warner Brothers, then Alien movies can more bluntly reference Blade Runner and legitimately tie the franchises together.
You can't legitimately tie those franchises together.
K.
Blade Runner and Alien sharing the same universe doesn't really work in my opinion. Two completely different aesthetics.
And Warner Brothers doesn't own any of the two Blade Runner films or the IP. They just have the North American distribution rights.
I admit David versus Deckard would be boss to watch tho.
The rumour now is that Comcast have outbid Disney for Fox by offering $60 Billion in Cash rather than the $54 Billion in stocks Disney went with.
Will be interesting to see how it goes
Personally i'd prefer if neither deal went through and Fox simply got it's shit together.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 09, 2018, 03:21:29 PM
Blade Runner and Alien sharing the same universe doesn't really work in my opinion. Two completely different aesthetics.
And Warner Brothers doesn't own any of the two Blade Runner films or the IP. They just have the North American distribution rights.
Yeah, it's like trying to merge Star Trek with Star Wars.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 11, 2018, 01:50:31 AM
Personally i'd prefer if neither deal went through and Fox simply got it's shit together.
I just want Marvel to get all of their IPs back.
Quote from: SM on May 09, 2018, 07:12:48 AM
You can't legitimately tie those franchises together.
Was it the 2049 commentary or the original blade runner commentary where Ridley talked about the crew from the nostromo coming back to that version of earth and walking down the street to a bar? Granted, there may be a need to tweak a few things, but life on earth being one of the lesser featured things in the Alien series, you can basically connect them with anything. Could say the nexus models were too lifelike and emotional, so were replace by more android and controllable A.I. And there was that letter from Weyland written about the death of Tyrell. The two series have also shared sound effects. You don't need to have the Aliens running loose on earth, but a skilled writer and director should easily be able to merge them. Ridley certainly could.
While I can easily see Earth in Alien veing like Earth in BR, the histories of both universes don't fit.
You'd need more than a few tweaks.
Aren't you worried that Comcast may be jeopardizing your future in Disney's Alien Story Group?
Comcast has now further sweetened their offer by including a $2.5 billion "break-up fee". What this means is that if the Fox/Comcast deal runs into regulatory trouble Fox will still get the $2.5 billion. Not sure if a deal between Fox and Comcast carries a greater risk than a deal between Fox and Disney.
Quote from: Huggs on May 11, 2018, 03:07:27 AM
Granted, there may be a need to tweak a few things, but life on earth being one of the lesser featured things in the Alien series, you can basically connect them with anything. Could say the nexus models were too lifelike and emotional, so were replace by more android and controllable A.I. And there was that letter from Weyland written about the death of Tyrell. The two series have also shared sound effects. You don't need to have the Aliens running loose on earth, but a skilled writer and director should easily be able to merge them. Ridley certainly could.
CdL said the letter from Weyland about Tyrell was just a little fun easter egg and shouldn't be considered canon or taken seriously. Shared sound effects and video clips of screen display graphics is neither here nor there. It happens all the time in film. Blade Runner also features a Millennium Falcon model and sounds effects from Empire Strikes back while SW Ep.2 features spinners flying in the background of Coruscant.
Aside from the Alien/BR timeline compatibility issues, stylistically Blade Runner is half set in the future and half set in the 1930 to 1950's Noir era. People are already complaining about how Prometheus/Covenant doesn't match up technology wise with Alien/Aliens. Can you imagine Prometheus in the same world as Blade Runner with it's forties fashions/hair-styles and heavy Art Deco stylizing on buildings and vehicles etc.
BR Production illustrator, Tom Southwell talks a bit about this in Dangerous Days. Says they all originally thought they were doing Alien 2 but after seeing the Union Station sets it started dawning on them that this was something completely different style-wise. As Crazy Shrimp says, it's like trying to merge Star Trek with Star Wars.
Are these timeline issues actually in the films or just supplemental materials found elsewhere? Not talking about the tech.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 11, 2018, 04:38:28 AM
Aren't you worried that Comcast may be jeopardizing your future in Disney's Alien Story Group?
I think Fox will probably just keep operating more or less as-is - just with a different parent.
I agree that short term fox will run as is but over 2-3 years priorities and leadership will change no matter who buys it. It always does.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 09, 2018, 03:21:29 PM
Blade Runner and Alien sharing the same universe doesn't really work in my opinion. Two completely different aesthetics.
Couldn't disagree more with that assertion, thematically and aesthetically Alien and Blade Runner merge perfectly, better than AVP ever did.
http://www.nydailynews.com/newswires/entertainment/t-time-warner-win-comcast-fox-deal-article-1.4033697
Looks like Comcast May increase the bid up to 60 billion. They pretty much have to now that someone signed off on this AT&T/Time Warner merger. It's the only way Comcast can stay semi toe to toe with AT&T.
I'm just saying don't be surprised if Comcast ends up with the Alien Franchise. I personally believe Disney will increase their bid, but remember Disney's offer is all stock, and Comcast is all cash. This isn't over yet.
Quote from: Richman678 on Jun 13, 2018, 12:27:47 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/newswires/entertainment/t-time-warner-win-comcast-fox-deal-article-1.4033697
Looks like Comcast May increase the bid up to 60 billion. They pretty much have to now that someone signed off on this AT&T/Time Warner merger. It's the only way Comcast can stay semi toe to toe with AT&T.
I'm just saying don't be surprised if Comcast ends up with the Alien Franchise. I personally believe Disney will increase their bid, but remember Disney's offer is all stock, and Comcast is all cash. This isn't over yet.
Crossing my fingers that Comcast wins because at least we'd see more Alien and Predator films under Universal or Blomhouse/tilt label.
Hellboy Vs Alien Vs Predator, please.
With Universal's track record on Blu-Rays and extras? Christ, no thank you.
I want to see Disney Marvel get Fox. We need Iron Man vs. Predator. We need Aliens vs. Venom
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 14, 2018, 03:04:08 AM
I want to see Disney Marvel get Fox. We need Iron Man vs. Predator. We need Aliens vs. Venom
Just be direct and shoot me.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 14, 2018, 03:06:39 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 14, 2018, 03:04:08 AM
I want to see Disney Marvel get Fox. We need Iron Man vs. Predator. We need Aliens vs. Venom
Just be direct and shoot me.
In reality, the terminator is probably the only other thing that could share the screen with avp. And the likelihood of that happening is small.
The only thing I worry about is either company buying the A L I E N and PREDATOR series and selling them off too two different studios. The lack of AVP in the EU would disturb me greatly. I hope that's not ever the case. AVP is like Peanut Butter & Jelly. They're great on there own and together.
You know i just thought of something. If Comcast ends up getting their hands on FOX then they also own Universal.
So they could incorporate Aliens to their Movies, and even theme parks. Maybe we could get a decent Aliens theme park ride.
However personally i would rather see it go to Disney.
https://deadline.com/2018/06/disney-fox-merger-increased-bid-in-wake-of-comcast-offer-1202414080/
QuoteThe Walt Disney Company has boosted its bid for the studio and cable network assets of 21st Century Fox to $71.3 billion in cash and stock.
The offer is nearly $19 billion richer than the one Fox accepted last December, and it's close to 10% ahead of the $65 billion one Comcast submitted last week. Most analysts and industry observers had expected Disney to match Comcast, but not go so much higher. The aggressive counter is a sign of the intensity of the M&A climate. AT&T finally closed its purchase of Time Warner late last week and other traditional media companies are urgently seeking dance partners as they battle deep-pocketed digital rivals.
Monopoly all but certain now.
Apparently the new offer has been accepted.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fox-disney-announce-new-deal-1529496937
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/disney-raises-bid-for-fox-assets-to-38-a-share.html
Yeah I was gonna post it looks like Disney is now paying over 70 Billion for Fox. Looks like Disney is gonna make sure they keep it. Comcast wont be able to top them either.
Remember Disney wants to put out a version of Netflix that everyone will flock to. I would also imagine this is where we will see the Alien Saga continue.
Quote from: Richman678 on Jun 20, 2018, 04:01:28 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/disney-raises-bid-for-fox-assets-to-38-a-share.html
Yeah I was gonna post it looks like Disney is now paying over 70 Billion for Fox. Looks like Disney is gonna make sure they keep it. Comcast wont be able to top them either.
Remember Disney wants to put out a version of Netflix that everyone will flock to. I would also imagine this is where we will see the Alien Saga continue.
As long as I can continue to get the Alien series on physical media, fine by me.
Anticipating the inevitable incoming storm of "It's all Disney's fault!" from the uninformed in regards to Alien and Predator now though.
I'm optimistic something good will come out of this. At least it should break up the log-jam that has become the fate of the Alien films. All fans can do is eat egg pizza while waiting..
70 billion, that is minus payload of course?
In adjusted dollars...
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 20, 2018, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: Richman678 on Jun 20, 2018, 04:01:28 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/disney-raises-bid-for-fox-assets-to-38-a-share.html
Yeah I was gonna post it looks like Disney is now paying over 70 Billion for Fox. Looks like Disney is gonna make sure they keep it. Comcast wont be able to top them either.
Remember Disney wants to put out a version of Netflix that everyone will flock to. I would also imagine this is where we will see the Alien Saga continue.
As long as I can continue to get the Alien series on physical media, fine by me.
Anticipating the inevitable incoming storm of "It's all Disney's fault!" from the uninformed in regards to Alien and Predator now though.
Well if Disney picks a good person to run the Alien Franchise then it might be ok. However this isn't Lucasfilm. I doubt every FOX Franchise will get it's own showrunner. I believe 1 person will manage the FOX properties that aren't Marvel related.
I don't think one person is likely, it'll either put specific franchises under observed management of some kind or simply allow operation to continue as is.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 20, 2018, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: Richman678 on Jun 20, 2018, 04:01:28 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/disney-raises-bid-for-fox-assets-to-38-a-share.html
Yeah I was gonna post it looks like Disney is now paying over 70 Billion for Fox. Looks like Disney is gonna make sure they keep it. Comcast wont be able to top them either.
Remember Disney wants to put out a version of Netflix that everyone will flock to. I would also imagine this is where we will see the Alien Saga continue.
As long as I can continue to get the Alien series on physical media, fine by me.
Anticipating the inevitable incoming storm of "It's all Disney's fault!" from the uninformed in regards to Alien and Predator now though.
This is basically how I feel also. I'll be content as long as we keep getting the goods, so to speak. I don't think the Alien and Predator franchises becoming Disney's baby is going to change much, it's not as though either series are geared towards kids/juveniles (and therefore suffer from the over-marketing machine.) I'd rather see them with Disney over Comcast, for better or worse.
100%
James Gunn could direct an Alien vs Predator flick?
I'm ok with just letting go of AVP as it was done in the present time. Alternatively, it could be done as an adaptation of the first AVP comic series, or something cool in the future. Regardless, I'm not confident that it can be done well..
You need someone who doesn't know shit about the comics or video games, but is clued in enough about the creatures that they could come at it with a fresh perspective.
I was going to say Guillermo del Toro, but... after Hellboy 2 and Pacific Rim 2, I'm pretty clear he doesn't know how to manage franchises with continuing storylines.
Well, if Disney is purchasing by 70 billions (that's a fu***** lot of money) then they will probably need to use all the relevant franchis for recovering the money. But I think the most important is the new Predator movie.
I don't think it's over since Comcast will likely add stock in the next bid. Rumors are 80b is how high Disney's shareholders are willing to go and no matter how much fox may want to go with Disney, Fox's shareholders could revolt.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 20, 2018, 09:16:52 PM
I was going to say Guillermo del Toro, but... after Hellboy 2 and Pacific Rim 2, I'm pretty clear he doesn't know how to manage franchises with continuing storylines.
I could definitely see him take on AVP: Deadliest of the Species. I don't know if I'd want to see it in film though - the comic is trippy as it is (still can't get enough of the characters - quite the large 'cast'.)
Quote from: SM on Jun 20, 2018, 09:01:41 PM
You need someone who doesn't know shit about the comics or video games, but is clued in enough about the creatures that they could come at it with a fresh perspective.
I think the problem there is that AVP arose from the comics, and it would be tough to alienate the source material like that. Definitely the Alien films have benefited from exotic environments in a far flung future. To do that, would at least be a step in a positive direction. Imagine predators stalking you on a space station like Sevastopol..
Anyway, I've said it before, but to me Alien films and Predator films just deal with different themes. There is a certain high-brow element to the Alien films that the Predator films will never have. The ideas tackled are just miles apart. One series of films is about creation and artificial intelligence, and the other is about redneck hunting. The two are not as compatible as we thought in the early nineties.
Prometheus and Covenant are about creation and artificial intelligence.
All the others are about people running around in the dark getting eaten by monsters. Which isn't terribly high brow.
Exactly, it's ultimately why Alien and Cyberpunk like Blade Runner, Ruiner and Observer are ultimately more compatible. Dealing with the apathy of capitalism, artificial intelligence, creation, identity, etc
In the original Alien films it's more in the subtext than the text but it's there, it's why they're more than just monster movies.
I agree. The theme of artificial intelligence permeates the alien films. All of them. Yes it is in the subtext, but it is there no less. But there is also the sheer wonder, and marvel of alien organic life which grows into horror. There is a beauty in the design of the Aliens which allows the films to operate on an entirely different, sublime level. The Predators are just space hicks out on a hunt. The only way to make Predators more compatible with the ideas of Alien, is to make them cease to be hunters and to explore their biology and society instead. But that would rob the predators of their greatest virtue - that they are HUNTERS. Such a Predator film that is not about hunting, is no longer a Predator film, by definition. Nobody wants to see doctor predators, or librarian predators, or single-mom predators, unless you're venturing into comedy / spoof territory.
QuoteThe theme of artificial intelligence permeates the alien films. The theme of artificial intelligence permeates the alien films.
In what way?
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 01:39:03 AM
Prometheus and Covenant are about creation and artificial intelligence.
All the others are about people running around in the dark getting eaten by monsters. Which isn't terribly high brow.
Uh, there's a hell of a lot more going on in the 4 Alien films than just that. If that was your takeaway, then yikes.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 21, 2018, 02:27:59 AM
Nobody wants to see doctor predators
Not to nitpick but they've been performing field surgery for quite some time now. And I wouldn't mind seeing the Predator version of a Trauma Pod, or medical bay. It would make for some interesting scenes.
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 02:42:53 AM
QuoteThe theme of artificial intelligence permeates the alien films. The theme of artificial intelligence permeates the alien films.
In what way?
You don't know? :D
A theme of artificial intelligence in the four Alien films? No.
Do you?
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 03:02:48 AM
A theme of artificial intelligence in the four Alien films? No.
Do you?
Having robots in Alien movies doesn't equate to themes about artificial intelligence.
I agree. The use of AI in the original films was more of a subtle means of creating tension. And by Alien 3 it wasn't an issue for Ripley anymore. AI as a theme only really took hold with the prequels.
As I said above.
I'm kinda hoping it might come with a reboot (not a remake!), just some form of soft reboot with a new creative team behind it. But I fear Merlin is Scott's play to keep in good with Disney after the merge.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 21, 2018, 02:53:31 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 01:39:03 AM
Prometheus and Covenant are about creation and artificial intelligence.
All the others are about people running around in the dark getting eaten by monsters. Which isn't terribly high brow.
Uh, there's a hell of a lot more going on in the 4 Alien films than just that. If that was your takeaway, then yikes.
This.
According to Bloomberg, the Disney-Fox deal could be approved by the Government in the next two weeks:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-20/disney-is-said-to-near-u-s-approval-on-fox-in-blow-to-comcast
Disney agreed to sell some of the Fox assets in order to sort out the anti-trust concerns.
I wonder if that could include some film/tv I.P.s, like Alien and Predator.
Standby for Kathleen Kennedy's new venture.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jun 21, 2018, 07:07:23 PM
Standby for Kathleen Kennedy's new venture.
Well if it was handed over to her it wouldn't be horrible since the Alien Franchise is already the staple for true feminism heroes.
Only the feminist heroes would now all have no personality.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 21, 2018, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 21, 2018, 02:53:31 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 01:39:03 AM
Prometheus and Covenant are about creation and artificial intelligence.
All the others are about people running around in the dark getting eaten by monsters. Which isn't terribly high brow.
Uh, there's a hell of a lot more going on in the 4 Alien films than just that. If that was your takeaway, then yikes.
This.
Like what? Oh yeah - the baddies want the monster too.
In the context of the actual conversation being had here - there's no reason Alien is especially more high brow than Predator.
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 08:43:39 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 21, 2018, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 21, 2018, 02:53:31 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 01:39:03 AM
Prometheus and Covenant are about creation and artificial intelligence.
All the others are about people running around in the dark getting eaten by monsters. Which isn't terribly high brow.
Uh, there's a hell of a lot more going on in the 4 Alien films than just that. If that was your takeaway, then yikes.
This.
Like what? Oh yeah - the baddies want the monster too.
In the context of the actual conversation being had here - there's no reason Alien is especially more high brow than Predator.
I'm not going to argue with you because if you genuinely believe it; there's no way I'll be able to change your mind.
I do vehemently disagree though.
Why?
Alien having themes about rape, or Aliens having themes about motherhood - doesn't stop them being, at their core, movies about people running around in the dark trying to not get killed by a monster. Predator isn't miles away because you have people running around a jungle or city trying to not get killed by a monster.
Did you get your offer letter yet?
Still contracting. Don't want to be tied down.
The Alien franchise had better consistently better scripts, actors, and directors, but they're still simple monster movies at their core. Just really well made ones.
A month or so ago I had someone yet to argue that the androids were always just as important as the Alien in the original films. ??? No Alien, no movies. No androids, no, well, androids.
I'm actually bored about this "strong female protagonists"... it's a staple in the Alien and Terminator franchises, but I've found it way too repetitive over the time. I don't know, I would like to have someone completely different in the role.
I'm bored of hearing about people talk about "strong female protagonists", bit of a crass label.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 21, 2018, 09:24:53 PM
I'm actually bored about this "strong female protagonists"... it's a staple in the Alien and Terminator franchises, but I've found it way too repetitive over the time. I don't know, I would like to have someone completely different in the role.
Parker, Hicks, Dillon. Not to mention may of the side characters. The alien movies may focus primarily on strong female leads, but they've usually been surrounded by some really tough male characters. I don't ever feel that it's too one-sided, or that strong males are ever under-represented. And I'm a dude. I think the problem stems from the fact that nowadays you're just unlikely to get a female lead with the strength and sheer "badassness" of Ripley or the original Sarah Connor.
In terms of turning the audience's expectations on it's head as the original Alien did in 1979 with the focal point of Ripley.
I think Alex White has the right idea;
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Why is Blue a queer, disabled woman of color?
Because I wanted to give her every possible disadvantage in a mindless, corporate system. Weyland-Yutani represents the ultimate soulless machination, and Dorian is a force for preserving entrenched power structures.
Characters like Blue are often buffeted by stifling workforce cultures. Because she is a woman, she is less likely to be taken seriously by her male counterparts. Because she is black, she is more likely to be seen as aggressive when she stands up for herself. Because she is disabled/dying, human resources will be eager to get rid of her, considering her a drain on the insurance pool.
Even in her introduction, Kambili Okoro tells her to "man up," a clear attack on her gender identity.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 09:40:03 PM
I'm bored of hearing about people talk about "strong female protagonists", bit of a crass label.
What's crass about it?
I think that the Alien films are much deeper. They're about human exploration, and about going into the unknown. But ultimately they are about discovering the roots of our demise, and consistently, in every film, those roots are... wait for it... ourselves. In every Alien film, the worst monsters were the people and their creations. The prequels come full circle in that now it's our creations' creations which have the potential of our demise. It's heady stuff.
But importantly, as I said above, it's in the subtext. These issues are not overtly dealt with, but they are under the surface, which is very elegant. Are they deeply philosophical films dressed up as horror flicks or the other way around? I don't know. But at least the question is valid. Can you say the same about the Predator films?
What sets Alien apart from some other sci-fi is that they're not explorers.
They're just people who work in space.
That's not the only thing, as pointed out by "Perfect-Organism" it's just one of the most obvious.
There's no creation theme in the Alien films either, (although you could make an argument for Resurrection).
Androids are a creation theme. Rather deftly explored as the series progresses into its prequels I might add.
Granted, they are not explorers in Alien, but the spirit of exploration is there, especially with Kane. Again, it is in the subtext. It's not about showing the hackneyed tale of purposed explorers but the grease monkeys keeping the wheels spinning on the bus. This portrays the gritty nature of exploration rather than the pomp and glory.
Quite.
Pro-creation is still creation too, as is birth.
It's pretty explicit in A3 with the funeral alongside the chestburster. It's just not at the forefront as it is with the prequels.
One guy wanting to explore doesn't make it a theme. If there's a theme it's the very antithesis of exploration and just wanting to go home.
Nor does juxtaposing a chesburtster with a funeral make it a theme. It makes it a juxtaposition for one scene.
And where's this artificial intelligence theme in the original flicks?
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 10:49:19 PM
There's no creation theme in the Alien films either, (although you could make an argument for Resurrection).
There's an impregnation theme.
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 21, 2018, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 21, 2018, 09:24:53 PM
I'm actually bored about this "strong female protagonists"... it's a staple in the Alien and Terminator franchises, but I've found it way too repetitive over the time. I don't know, I would like to have someone completely different in the role.
Parker, Hicks, Dillon. Not to mention may of the side characters. The alien movies may focus primarily on strong female leads, but they've usually been surrounded by some really tough male characters. I don't ever feel that it's too one-sided, or that strong males are ever under-represented. And I'm a dude. I think the problem stems from the fact that nowadays you're just unlikely to get a female lead with the strength and sheer "badassness" of Ripley or the original Sarah Connor.
Do we really need another Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor though? A lot of Scifi/Horrors go for the Ripley/Connor archtype, which I tend to find unconvincing - they're trying so hard to emulate those characters, instead of possessing the virtues and values that'll propel the story forward on their own. They end up being devoid of personality. Can't we just have a strong female protagonist, or hell, just a female protagonist with the amount of "character" needed to move the story? As much as I like Ripley, I do need a break from her.
Ahem.
Blue Marsalis
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 22, 2018, 02:04:32 AMI don't ever feel that it's too one-sided, or that strong males are ever under-represented. And I'm a dude.
I don't care about the gender. I just want another kind of lead hero, or heroine, idk. Elizabeth Shaw was kind of a refreshing change, but she maybe ended up wrapped in the same clichés as her predecessors. And Daniels was a complete retrogression, really generic.
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 22, 2018, 02:14:19 AM
Ahem.
Blue Marsalis
I must admit...I have not read Alien: The Cold Forge :-X This obviously needs to be rectified.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 22, 2018, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 22, 2018, 02:04:32 AMI don't ever feel that it's too one-sided, or that strong males are ever under-represented. And I'm a dude.
I don't care about the gender. I just want another kind of lead hero, or heroine, idk. Elizabeth Shaw was kind of a refreshing change, but she maybe ended up wrapped in the same clichés as her predecessors. And Daniels was a complete retrogression, really generic.
Oh I agree - I even though I'm not stuck on a particular gender either, I wouldn't mind seeing a male protagonist take the helm at this point. (By the way, that's Huggs quote, not mine!)
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 22, 2018, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 22, 2018, 02:04:32 AMI don't ever feel that it's too one-sided, or that strong males are ever under-represented. And I'm a dude.
I don't care about the gender. I just want another kind of lead hero, or heroine, idk. Elizabeth Shaw was kind of a refreshing change, but she maybe ended up wrapped in the same clichés as her predecessors. And Daniels was a complete retrogression, really generic.
Shaw was indeed a step in the right direction. Daniels, not so much, but damned if I can figure out why it struck me that way. Her character just felt bland for some reason.
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 22, 2018, 02:19:19 AM
(By the way, that's Huggs quote, not mine!)
Oh, just admit it. Admit you said it. :D
Hicks, I can't see why you can be tired of Ripley. Her character hasn't been in action since 1997, a full 20 years ago.
I presume you're talking about the repetition of the character, via Daniels and Shaw, and on this level only, I agree. If a new Aliens film is to be made with the idea of a strong female lead, it should be Ripley or nothing. I am tired of seeing second rate Ripley knockoffs. The character, be it man or woman just has to work well for the story.
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 22, 2018, 02:25:59 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 22, 2018, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 22, 2018, 02:04:32 AMI don't ever feel that it's too one-sided, or that strong males are ever under-represented. And I'm a dude.
I don't care about the gender. I just want another kind of lead hero, or heroine, idk. Elizabeth Shaw was kind of a refreshing change, but she maybe ended up wrapped in the same clichés as her predecessors. And Daniels was a complete retrogression, really generic.
Shaw was indeed a step in the right direction. Daniels, not so much, but damned if I can figure out why it struck me that way. Her character just felt bland for some reason.
Quote from: Wysps on Jun 22, 2018, 02:19:19 AM
(By the way, that's Huggs quote, not mine!)
Oh, just admit it. Admit you said it. :D
How can I take credit for such cultivating truths?? ;D
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 22, 2018, 02:40:52 AM
Hicks, I can't see why you can be tired of Ripley. Her character hasn't been in action since 1997, a full 20 years ago.
I presume you're talking about the repetition of the character, via Daniels and Shaw, and on this level only, I agree. If a new Aliens film is to be made with the idea of a strong female lead, it should be Ripley or nothing. I am tired of seeing second rate Ripley knockoffs. The character, be it man or woman just has to work well for the story.
I'm with you there. That's what I was saying - I'd like to see a character-driven protagonist over a half-assed copy of a character that has been recycled countless times, be they male or female. Said it in a much more eloquent way, but I guess that's the message I was going for.
QuoteHicks, I can't see why you can be tired of Ripley. Her character hasn't been in action since 1997, a full 20 years ago.
Quite.
QuoteDaniels, not so much, but damned if I can figure out why it struck me that way. Her character just felt bland for some reason.
She's a protagonist without an arc. We get she's tough at the start and she's tough at the end. Any changes in her character were due to Jacob's death and were effectively dealt with before they got to Planet 4.
These "strong female characters" unfortunately are all cut by the same scissors: they begin as sort of vulnerable yet caring and end up becoming tough at cost of pain. Ripley, Shaw, Daniels, Connor... it's just a formula over and over.
I wouldn't even call them "strong female characters", they're never devoid of a big sense of vulnerability.
Well, Sarah Connor is the exception; I loved how she become totally nuts in Terminator 2... then she began crying because of the trauma and all of that, but well, it was consistent, and she was much different than Ripley, who I can take as a predecessor.
But definitely I don't another one of these so-called "strong female protagonists". I don't want another Sarah Connor, and more than all, I don't want another Ripley. Create a new kind of female protagonist. Or just give me a new kind of protagonist, regardless of gender.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 22, 2018, 02:51:53 AM
These "strong female characters" unfortunately are all cut by the same scissors: they begin as sort of vulnerable yet caring and end up becoming tough at cost of pain. Ripley, Shaw, Daniels, Connor... it's just a formula over and over.
I wouldn't even call them "strong female characters", they're never devoid of a big sense of vulnerability.
Well, Sarah Connor is the exception; I loved how she become totally nuts in Terminator 2... then she began crying because of the trauma and all of that, but well, it was consistent, and she was much different than Ripley, who I can take as a predecessor.
But definitely I don't another one of these so-called "strong female protagonists". I don't want another Sarah Connor, and more than all, I don't want another Ripley. Create a new kind of female protagonist. Or just give me a new kind of protagonist, regardless of gender.
Yes, a new type of protagonist altogether that breaks the cycle of what we've been shown before. That would be fantastic.
Protagonists and genders aside, the strength of the alien movies has always been a good ensemble. A proper lack of which is doing its fair share in killing these prequels. 2 or 3 good characters are driving these movies. The rest are cannon fodder, and ignorant individuals that are supposed to be smart.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 22, 2018, 02:51:53 AM
These "strong female characters" unfortunately are all cut by the same scissors: they begin as sort of vulnerable yet caring and end up becoming tough at cost of pain. Ripley, Shaw, Daniels, Connor... it's just a formula over and over.
That doesn't apply to either Ripley or Shaw.
Shaw was a nerdy girl that became fierce when fighting the creatures in the end. And went bitter and determined to take some sort of revenge on the Engineers.
Anyway, I said she was kind of a little different.
When was the "vulnerable yet caring" part of the formula?
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 22, 2018, 04:30:40 AM
Shaw was a nerdy girl that became fierce when fighting the creatures in the end. And went bitter and determined to take some sort of revenge on the Engineers.
Anyway, I said she was kind of a little different.
Where did you get the idea she wanted revenge?
Quote from: SM on Jun 22, 2018, 04:42:00 AM
When was the "vulnerable yet caring" part of the formula?
She was vulnerable. A nerdy unprepared girl fighting the unknown. Also his boyfriend died and buah buah.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 22, 2018, 04:48:08 AMWhere did you get the idea she wanted revenge?
She wanted to go to the Engineers planet to demand for an explanation or something. Was really serious about it.
She wasn't vulnerable. She was confident and self assured in her faith.
Ripley wasn't vulnerable either.
I couldn't care less about the gender of the hero but it's become too formulaic. AvP, Prometheus and Covenant - the primarily female character makes it to the end. And then it's telegraphed all over the marketing which particular character that is going to be.
I'd hope in future they don't make it so obvious. Increase the number of female characters so it's not so hard to pick out the 1 women out of the 4 who is receiving the most attention in marketing or in the run-up. And most importantly make all the characters - regardless of gender - interesting.
Or do what they did with Alien to start with - write them unisex. And stick it through to casting, pick whoever is the best.
How is that any different to putting Arnie (or, more contemporary, The Rock) in literally any movie, though, honestly?
That it's going to be obvious who lives has nothing to do with tropes or gender, it's just lazy writing or marketing.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 22, 2018, 12:50:45 PM
That it's going to be obvious who lives has nothing to do with tropes or gender, it's just lazy writing or marketing.
I think it has become a trope for Alien films, though. Purely because of Ripley. If it's an Alien film, it's going to have the main female character survive until the end. It's definitely bad writing and marketing in giving it away but it's still to do with gender and trope. I can pretty much assume that when I get an Alien film with a female lead, she'll make it to the end because she's the female lead.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 22, 2018, 12:50:45 PM
How is that any different to putting Arnie (or, more contemporary, The Rock) in literally any movie, though, honestly?
I guess because one of the effective things about Alien was that we weren't supposed to get Ripley was going to make it to the end. Obviously we've moved on from that now but it's just become such an Alien thing that I find it detrimental.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 22, 2018, 07:24:14 AM
I couldn't care less about the gender of the hero but it's become too formulaic. AvP, Prometheus and Covenant - the primarily female character makes it to the end. And then it's telegraphed all over the marketing which particular character that is going to be.
I'd hope in future they don't make it so obvious. Increase the number of female characters so it's not so hard to pick out the 1 women out of the 4 who is receiving the most attention in marketing or in the run-up. And most importantly make all the characters - regardless of gender - interesting.
Or do what they did with Alien to start with - write them unisex. And stick it through to casting, pick whoever is the best.
Daniels is effectively dead though.
What if we make a xenomorph the main character next time? :D
Ha! It should totally be an effeminate man who gets stuck in a situation with an alien and then the film is about him manning up... Literally, it could be about a hair stylist on a glamorous gambling space station, who picks up his first gun with two fingers and then begins to transform... would be hilarious...
Or y'know, it could pick up the baton from Alien and have a character from an unrepresented group be the protagonist.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 22, 2018, 07:24:14 AM
I couldn't care less about the gender of the hero but it's become too formulaic. AvP, Prometheus and Covenant - the primarily female character makes it to the end. And then it's telegraphed all over the marketing which particular character that is going to be.
I'd hope in future they don't make it so obvious. Increase the number of female characters so it's not so hard to pick out the 1 women out of the 4 who is receiving the most attention in marketing or in the run-up. And most importantly make all the characters - regardless of gender - interesting.
Or do what they did with Alien to start with - write them unisex. And stick it through to casting, pick whoever is the best.
Also, split focus between the stylistic/artful aspects of the film with proper characterizations of the cast. Merely focusing on gorgeous sets, ambient music, and thematic elements aren't going to move the story. The movie is going to stagnate if the cast doesn't have enough personality to drive the story forward. (I personally like them having the sex picked out prior to casting. Then their attributes can influence how that character behaves to a certain extent - idk it just makes the characters more relatable to me.)
I don't think there's a problem with the story in the prequels, but it's in the details of character behaviour and scripting that needed more work.
Well if I was Disney the first thing I would do is green light Alien Isolation 2. Then I would let Ridley either finish his trilogy, or he needs to set up a TV show for their streaming service. This time get a good writer please.
Other than that maybe a stand alone Star Wars story where Darth Vader leads a group of storm troopers to investigate why one of their outposts hasn't responded only to discover the xenomorphs have taken over.....lol ok that's just a dream.
oh good god people the one thing I know for certain that Disney loves to do is lock away content for decades. As soon as they get alien and predator they are going to put it in the vault and we will never see it again for 50 years.
Like they did with Star Wars and Marvel?
Once the Marvel run wraps up, yes. With star wars they really have no choice but to dredge along. Now slow ahead if you please.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 23, 2018, 08:03:16 AM
oh good god people the one thing I know for certain that Disney loves to do is lock away content for decades. As soon as they get alien and predator they are going to put it in the vault and we will never see it again for 50 years.
I don't recall them handling other popular franchises in this way, but I'm definitely out of the loop. What other franchises have they locked away? Alien and Predator are staples of the horror/scifi realm - I wouldn't think they'd do that two these two. Maybe remake after remake (which I don't think is a better alternative) but locked away for decades?
Yeah, well... I don't really see Disney working with these franchises anyway. Maybe they will rent the rights to NBCUniversal. They need to recover some money after the Fox buyout.
Avengers vs. X-Men vs. Fantastic Four trilogy will sort that.
Oh, yea, I forgot that there are a lot of people who are too young to remember when Disney used to actually lock away titles for decades. As far as I know some Disney movies are still locked away, meaning the best copies you can get are VHS. However in this new age, complete with digital copies and piracy, there's no point in trying to hedge the market. So yea guys, I was just joking about it.
Then again, they probably won't be doing anything with either property for a while. So it might as well be the same as locking them up in the literal Disney Vault.
The last time I remember them announcing they were opening their "vault" was about a decade ago. I think they've dropped the practice.
I think the only ones still locked away are things like Song of the South that they'd rather scrub from their oeuvre.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 24, 2018, 04:29:18 AM
Oh, yea, I forgot that there are a lot of people who are too young to remember when Disney used to actually lock away titles for decades. As far as I know some Disney movies are still locked away, meaning the best copies you can get are VHS. However in this new age, complete with digital copies and piracy, there's no point in trying to hedge the market. So yea guys, I was just joking about it.
Then again, they probably won't be doing anything with either property for a while. So it might as well be the same as locking them up in the literal Disney Vault.
Oh I remember the Disney "vault" days - I thought you were referring to actual live action films that were shelved for years on end.
I think they actually still have the Disney Vault, as far as official media releases are concerned. However Song of the South is no where to be found in there. Pretty sure that's in a vault of concrete at the bottom of the ocean. :P I remember they attempted to erase that release once. Similar to how George tried to erase the star wars holiday special from existence but ultimately failed.
Anyways movies get shelved for many reasons. Usually because no one can come up with a story that has anything to say or place to go.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
Has there ever been a case of Disney inheriting or actually doing an "adult" franchise? Either way, I wouldn't panic just yet. This might amount to nothing.
There is a sister company that is owned by Disney and they have produced r rated movies in the past, I can't remember the name of the company, touchstone or mirrormax I think?.... but I remember reading a article that had concerns about deadpool moving to Disney, it was thought that deadpool may be delivered by these companies in the future! Hopefully alien an predator can follow suit
They can just be delivered by Fox.
Yeah, really it's all going to depend what they actually do with the Fox company itself. I remember hearing they were keeping Searchlight and 2000 as was. We'll see if they keep the main Fox intact too.
I think it really wouldn't make any sense to get rid of the Fox moniker. There too much history there. Nor to even take over day to day operations any time soon. Probably best to keep it as a separate entity. Still I would not be surprised if parts of it is sold off.
It would indeed be silly to do away with Fox as an entity. It is a hallmark of Hollywood. I could see Disney apply stronger brand management to popular properties like Aliens though. I am not sure how it is now, but I would expect there would be a team that plots out the canon progression and creates a "style guide" that everyone has to follow.
I just want Disney to release The Sweatbox Documentary
https://www.newsarama.com/40584-doj-approves-disney-fox-sale-on-one-condition.html
Awww i was hoping the one condition was to make them keep Dark Horse for the comics. :laugh:
lol Sports.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/its-getting-awkward-at-foxs-movie-studio-as-disney-deal-looms-1533906010
https://bloody-disgusting.com/the-further/3515059/disney-shut-20th-century-fox-likely-avoid-genre-films/
https://www.slashfilm.com/disney-fox-merger-family-friendly-projects/
:'(
Monopoly garbage, Alien joins the pile along with Dead Space, KOTOR, Mass Effect, Titanfall and more as franchises better than their contemporaries that will likely never return.
Not without being edited for mass appeal.
This is deeply disappointing but expected.
Bloody disgusting.
Okay, on reading and considering it doesn't sound so instantly doom-and-gloom - scale back production doesn't 100% equate to cancelled or anything. In fact, scaled back Alien films could be a good thing. However, I just don't get the feeling that that is where this'll be going...I dunno, I just feel major bummed out about this. I'd been holding onto the hopes we'd be seeing them under another company banner.
Disney aren't spending 71 billion for Marvel characters lol they'll find places for Alien and Predator
*clears throat
Game over man, game over.
I hope you're right Willem Dafoe.
Maaaaan, let's all pray that The Predator will be a massive box office hit, or it just might be the last one we'll ever get! I was worried about this right from the moment the Disney takeover was announced. Just look at the MCU films for example, they obviously changed a bit since Disney took over and became more jokey and family friendly. The last one that had the more serious tone was in my opinion Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
I just joined you guys here today by the way. But I was a follower (and lurker) for many years 😀
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Aug 11, 2018, 08:36:36 AM
Disney aren't spending 71 billion for Marvel characters lol they'll find places for Alien and Predator
Nope. They also got Avatar, a huge backlog of stuff for their streaming and (I think) a nice chunk of shares in Hulu.
Yeah, sorry Hicks, but I don't think your optimism is going to pay off this time.
Downsizing genre stuff sounds pretty much like "kicked into a dark room in the back and forgotten."
It doesn't fit their image, so that leaves two options. Drastically change the property, or eliminate it.
At least I'll never have to suffer a Neill Blomkamp Aliens Seaboot.
Good. It's time to give these movies a rest. The only good ones in recent years have been Prometheus and Alien Covenant. Both AvP movies were trash, Predators was homage garbage fest and now this new predator looks to be following this pattern. Then you got more trash in the form of bumkamp's fan service wet dream of a movie 😂 that thank god will never see the light of day. Time to hang it up.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Aug 11, 2018, 09:30:23 AM
Good. It's time to give these movies a rest. The only good ones in recent years have been Prometheus and Alien Covenant. Both AvP movies were trash, predators was homage garbage fest and now this new predator looks to be flowing suit. Then you got more trash in the form of bumkamp's fan service wet dream of a movie 😂 that thank god will never see the light of day. Time to hang it up.
The flowing suit sounds interesting.
This may all just be posturing at the end of the day however, despite my thoughts on the matter if this is proven to be true.
It's all in who is behind the films. Disney gets all the bashing and praise but all they do choose what gets "X" funding at the end of the day.
Kevin Feige and his team are responsible for Marvel's success.
Kathleen Kennedy and her team are responsible for Star Wars' failure
I don't want Alien to undergo genetic recombination to target a wider demographic even if they do choose to fund the IP.
In that case it would be better off dead.
Shock.
SMH
I hope Disney aren't dicks, and just shelve the franchises. I'm crossing my fingers they sell the franchises to Universal/Blumhouse, Liongate, or Warner Bros and Paramount who are desperate to upstart next successful franchise.
Though, what gets me why is Scott doing Merlin for Disney since from what were reading, the mouse cooked the poor Alien. I guess we read too much into him doing that film to finish his trilogy. :'(
Oh well. Let's see were our creepy crawly friends end up in.
Shit the alien franchise is totally family friendly. Maybe we're taking it all a little too literally.
Quote from: 0321recon on Aug 11, 2018, 11:19:26 AM
I hope Disney aren't dicks, and just shelve the franchises. I'm crossing my fingers they sell the franchises to Universal/Blumhouse, Liongate, or Warner Bros and Paramount who are desperate to upstart next successful franchise.
Though, what gets me why is Scott doing Merlin for Disney since from what were reading, the mouse cooked the poor Alien. I guess we read too much into him doing that film to finish his trilogy. :'(
Oh well. Let's see were our creepy crawly friends end up in.
To be honest I don't think that Scott cares for Alien that much.
Also I can't believe that these franchises could be forgoten and be canceled forever. I mean between Predator 2 and Predators were 20 years time period, but it stil came out. Between Predators and The Predator were 8 years period. So I am sure they will sell it to somebody, or somebody will presuade them to make these movies. I just can't believe that these franchises can die. Or at least I don't want to believe it. :-[
It's a problem if Disney dissolves the Fox brand, which would be something of a tragedy. There's hope that they might at least offset the properties that demand an R rating to subsidiaries to protect the Disney brand while providing diverse content.
So, how can we get back at Disney if they shelf our beloved franchises?... :P
Scott will be shooting Merlin for Disney which is very likely that they made or will make a deal regarding Covenant sequel.
Just don't pay to see Disney films if they screw over fans of Fox franchises.
Quote from: irn on Aug 11, 2018, 12:17:48 PM
Just don't pay to see Disney films if they screw over fans of Fox franchises.
Exactly. They only mentioned X Men and Avatar. No mention of Planet of the Apes. I hope that doesn't get shelved also.
So basically everyone was told by the Company that there are no aliens on the wall, and to just continue working until told otherwise? There are those alien shorts that are supposed to be coming out... Real shame if those get cancelled. :-[
Its all about control, Disney take more percentage from theaters then any other studio and they want everybody to use there streaming service, they got it all Avatar, Pirates, Marvel and I'm sure they'll pull all the Blu-rays, DVD's and UHD 4k Blu rays in the next few years.
They don't give a dam about ether Predator or Alien, they are not box office sensations and selling them for what fifty million ? That's pocket change for Disney and it could create some competition at the theaters, they want to dominate the theater chains.
Lets just go out and enjoy The Predator on the big screen because everything that has a beginning has a end.
I would prefer it all to die than to see Disney do the same they did with Star Wars.
Time to nuke the site from orbit? :P
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 11, 2018, 12:01:11 PM
So, how can we get back at Disney if they shelf our beloved franchises?... :P
Don't watch any of their movies.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 11, 2018, 12:12:22 PM
Scott will be shooting Merlin for Disney which is very likely that they made or will make a deal regarding Covenant sequel.
Maybe they promised him a Western? :laugh:
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 11, 2018, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 11, 2018, 12:12:22 PM
Scott will be shooting Merlin for Disney which is very likely that they made or will make a deal regarding Covenant sequel.
Maybe they promised him a Western? :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Starring Michael Fassbender as Cowboy David riding a Queen Xeno...oh my. Pull a Westworld.
So even if The Predator is somehow a success, the chances for any sequels are now slim to none, unless we end up with a watered down 12-A version.
And what's going to happen to Deadpool? I shudder to imagine.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 11, 2018, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 11, 2018, 12:12:22 PM
Scott will be shooting Merlin for Disney which is very likely that they made or will make a deal regarding Covenant sequel.
Maybe they promised him a Western? :laugh:
I can only hope. It puzzles me that 80-year-old stinky rich and legendary director, who probably can direct any type of movie he wishes, cannot direct a movie he always wanted to make. A Western. Figure that out.
Does Logan and Deadpool fit the family friendly formula? They showed R-rated movies aren't guaranteed bombs at the theaters.
this appears as if it may still all just be speculation at this point
https://archive.is/J8fgC
fingers crossed
I feel indifferent.
Alien franchise is dead to me since Alien Resurrection. Also it would be the ultimate punishment for narcissistic Riddles to cancel his "amazing" trilogy.
What the future brings? Hero might be transgender and pansexual fighting against aliens in rubber costumes, totally de-gigerized. Who cares?
Game over man. Game over. I will hold Alien 1-3 dear forever.
Depressing, first Netflix now this. I refuse to support any Disney films in the future if they kill Fox.
Tbf Alien film franchise should have died with Alien 3, even if A:R is quite fun. The rest are trash, really wish the prequels were never made.
I'm just glad that I was born in the 80s and was able experience the evolution of cinema before things got sour. If i was a kid today and stumbled upon the prequels first I couldn't care less about the Alien franchise and would probably skip the originals or be unimpressed since the prequels strip most of the wonderment and mystery from the series in the most inept way.
I'm confident Disney will manage the Alien franchise way better.
I want a reboot, a new Ripley, les re-hashing of the formula... I strongly prefer the sci-fi aspect over the horror aspect of the franchise, Disney could make a great and more interesting new saga for Aliens.
Probably a sci-fi/action franchise dealing with the arrival of the xenos to Earth, based on Female Wars and such.
I can live without all the gore and R-Rating, as long as the story is great.
I think they can re-imagine the stupid mythology Ridley Scott proposed in the prequels, and do something bolder and more exciting.
Deadpool 2 was more gory and vulgar than any Alien movie I've seen recently so if he's safe, I don't see how Alien isn't.
Disney do something bolder, more exciting, without an R rating, which essentially means diminishing the sexual horror aspect, of which is what makes Alien, A L I E N.
Alien invasion.
Directors following a guideline.
Just forget creativity.
That's essentially what you want?
Apart from N.B, I can't think of a much worse fate for the franchise that shits on everything it represents, from the foundations of the universe's Capitalism critical; realism to the creature itself.
Vile; it would be better off buried than to become that.
Alien without FOX is pretty significant. But Alien with the Disney attachment is jjust plain stupid. They really need to move their plan to place these franchises priority first and get them onto a label that appeals to the fanbase rather than start a new one.
Disney ruins everything.
I just remembered. How will the EU material work now with Disney? Will any next games and novels be put aside? Are we really that f**ked?
The movies were disappointing anyway, but the other stuff was going great. Goddammit.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 12, 2018, 01:21:40 AM
I just remembered. How will the EU material work now with Disney? Will any next games and novels be put aside?
Are we really that f**ked?
They'll either all be cancelled or continue as normal.
They would only happen if they have already started....? I don't know how the development of a game or book works, but there won't be more an interest in Disney to make more, if like there isn't an alien-predator departament anymore or whatever. If Disney gives up on movies, companies/people won't be able to them the permission to make more books/games. If only they could sell the rights of R-rated franchises to someone else.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 12, 2018, 01:22:48 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 12, 2018, 01:21:40 AM
I just remembered. How will the EU material work now with Disney? Will any next games and novels be put aside?
Are we really that f**ked?
They'll either all be cancelled or continue as normal.
There is a ton of stuff in various stages of development - but so were more episodes of Clone Wars when Disney canned it. So it's really anyone's guess.
I have faith that you'll sort it all out.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2018, 12:01:13 AM
Deadpool 2 was more gory and vulgar than any Alien movie I've seen recently so if he's safe, I don't see how Alien isn't.
But Deadpool 2 was a box office success.
When Disney talks about family friendly; they surely mean money maker. So uh... deadpool and r-rated xmen movies are safe, alien movies... not so much.
Tbh I believe Disney will sell the AVP Universe to Universal Pictures.
I wonder if Scott Free could buy the IP and work with one of the major studios to make further Alien movies.
I know half of this forum would hate that, but I'd be happy.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 12, 2018, 05:06:28 AM
Tbh I believe Disney will sell the AVP Universe to Universal Pictures.
I agree with that sentiment. It was a huge sum of money to buy Fox and selling off properties to lower that overall burden is in Disney's primary interest. So hope abounds.
Though I'm kind of surprised that it sounds like Disney is going to erase the Fox moniker but what can you say. C'est la vie.
However I doubt Scott Free would buy the franchise. I'm not sure if they could, even with co-financing, bring such movies to fruition.
Not surprising in the least but still this is God awful, so we are seeing the definitive ending of anything Alien/Predator related forever? This is terrible. Also pretty hipocritical of disney being one of the most perverse companies of the world. Also the monopoly of movies that they are constructing is pretty scary, is not like their movies are great.
After hearing this news, I hope a chestburster bursts out of Mickey and a Predator shines his three red dots on Goofy's forehead ready to fire. Pretty much sums up my feelings on the topic.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire. First Star Wars gets f**ked, now this... f**k DISNEY
Shocker :P
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2018, 12:01:13 AM
Deadpool 2 was more gory and vulgar than any Alien movie I've seen recently so if he's safe, I don't see how Alien isn't.
Deadpool 2 wasn't near as gory as Covenant was. More vulgar, totally.
Where's the fair competition if Disney do buy fox? I mean the monopoly that Disney have on the film industry is going to far. It's really starting to feel like Disney just want to own everything. If they are not going to bother with r rated franchises, they should be forced to sell them imo.
... What possible relevance does the presence (or lack thereof) of hypothetical transgender characters in an Alien movie have to do with Disney holding a monopoly on the film industry? That's a complete non-sequitur.
(I meant that as a reply to someone, but I didn't quote it because I'm a stupid :P )
A-ha! This one: "Hero might be transgender and pansexual fighting against aliens in rubber costumes, totally de-gigerized."
Just ignoring the fact The Cold Forge, best Alien story in eons.
Has a black woman, a disabled, gay main character.
With hardly a straight forward gender identity.
To it's benefit I'd say.
Honesty? Its for the best. Prometheus was bad, Covenant was even worse and also flopped at the box office. Predators was mediocre at best. The Predator looks terrible and all the reshoots and delays do NOT bode well.
There has not been a great Alien film since before I was born. There has not been a good predator film since the year I was born. Let the franchise rest. I have no doubt it will be brought back one day. But for now, for the foreseeable future, just give it a break.
Quote from: Naginata on Aug 12, 2018, 03:45:49 PM
... What possible relevance does the presence (or lack thereof) of hypothetical transgender characters in an Alien movie have to do with Disney holding a monopoly on the film industry? That's a complete non-sequitur.
I assume he thinks Disney pushes forced diversity into their movies. Either way that doesn't matter since the chances of more alien-predator movies happening are quite screwed.
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Aug 12, 2018, 04:16:23 PM
There has not been a great Alien film since before I was born.
Now that you mention it...
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 12, 2018, 04:01:24 PM
Just ignoring the fact The Cold Forge, best Alien story in eons.
Has a black woman, a disabled, gay main character.
With hardly a straight forward gender identity.
To it's benefit I'd say.
Just to be clear, I completely agree. My comment was aimed at that guy I was quoting, who listed transgender and pansexual characters as possible negative consequences of Disney owning Fox, which is a bizarre non-sequitur, in addition to being kinda bigoted (imo).
I know you probably know that, I just wanted to clarify to avoid any confusion.
EDIT: Also, I am never posting via the comments section of the newsfeed again, LOL
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I assume he thinks Disney pushes forced diversity into their movies.
Even if we take that at face value, though, no movie that has to do business in China (ie: a good chunk of Disney's output) is gonna have an openly LGBT character.
I hope these are just false rumors but if it's true that we might not see another alien/predator movie again, screw Disney! If they are not going to be making movies with these licences and are not smart enough to sell the properties they don't want, then I'm never gonna go and watch another Disney movie in the cinema again.
And maybe in the future if the political atmosphere changes, Disney might be forced to break up their monopoly?
What I'm wondering now is.....does this mean will we get to summon Aliens and Predators in Kingdom Hearts 4?
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 12, 2018, 06:18:08 PM
What I'm wondering now is.....does this mean will we get to summon Aliens and Predators in Kingdom Hearts 4?
Biomechanical Giger Keyblade?
Having Dutch in your party next to Goofy and Donald?
They can put a female predator as a new Princess of Heart.
Sure let's try it. :P
As an Optimist i don't think giving up on your franchise(not wanting new movies in fear of it being degrading) is a right way, in my optimisitc opinion it's always a chance a seeing new classic in the franchise, it's always a chance of getting right director, right producers at the right time in a right place and getting actually an amazing movie. Of course it's a slim chance, but still a chance ;)
Now if they not going to sell rights and not going to make movies it would be sad moment in our lifes "The End of the Era" like Rachel and Monica said in "Friends"
But who knows, maybe something going to happen and we will see new movies of this franchises under Disney or any other companie, or it's a possibility to see new franchises which would be inspired by Predator and Alien ;)
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 11, 2018, 01:57:51 PM
I would prefer it all to die than to see Disney do the same they did with Star Wars.
I agree. Box office numbers aside, the Star Wars movies under Disney have been *most* disappointing.
The only silver lining and consolation to be had here would be this.
The original alien film is basically perfect, and it always will be. The second film was the ideal sequel, and basically did Aliens as an action movie perfectly. And we got the queen, the hive, the colonial marines, and other awesome stuff that has lead to some great novels and games (ACM excluded). It built the rest of the world for us. This alone would probably be enough. But If you're like me, Alien 3 was fantastic and a satisfying end to the original trilogy and the Ripley arc. So there's that.
Resurrection was our "fun take" on the Alien movies. Alittle something different for those who may have wanted it. The first two predator films were fantastic. Predators 2010 was an enjoyable enough romp and took itself seriously, I wouldn't say it was garbage. The Alien prequels have basically been wrapped up well enough at the end of Covenant, with David having created the xenomorph and escaping. He has his freedom, we know where the xeno's came from, we know what the space jockeys are, and we know enough about David's plans and motivations to walk away if we have to. And we're about to get a goofy take on the predator franchise. Kind of a predator version of Resurrection if you ask me. So that's covered.
So aside from never getting a proper AVP movie, it's really not the worst place for it all to end. We've basically had a taste of everything, except (like I said) a good AVP. But there's two of them to watch if anyone ever wants to.
I doubt Hollywood could or would ever truly kill the franchises. They may get lost in limbo for God knows how long. Maybe 20 years. But I think that, given enough time, a lot of patience, wheeling and dealing, and a long break from these films will make somebody want to sell them, and someone else want to bring them back. I don't think we'll ever see the day when they're actually gone forever, but we may be in for one hell of a long wait.
But as long as those original movies are around, we'll always have perfection.
Disney will sell it off to someone.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 13, 2018, 01:36:23 AM
The only silver lining and consolation to be had here would be this.
The original alien film is basically perfect, and it always will be. The second film was the ideal sequel, and basically did Aliens as an action movie perfectly. And we got the queen, the hive, the colonial marines, and other awesome stuff that has lead to some great novels and games (ACM excluded). It built the rest of the world for us. This alone would probably be enough. But If you're like me, Alien 3 was fantastic and a satisfying end to the original trilogy and the Ripley arc. So there's that.
Resurrection was our "fun take" on the Alien movies. Alittle something different for those who may have wanted it. The first two predator films were fantastic. Predators 2010 was an enjoyable enough romp and took itself seriously, I wouldn't say it was garbage. The Alien prequels have basically been wrapped up well enough at the end of Covenant, with David having created the xenomorph and escaping. He has his freedom, we know where the xeno's came from, we know what the space jockeys are, and we know enough about David's plans and motivations to walk away if we have to. And we're about to get a goofy take on the predator franchise. Kind of a predator version of Resurrection if you ask me. So that's covered.
So aside from never getting a proper AVP movie, it's really not the worst place for it all to end. We've basically had a taste of everything, except (like I said) a good AVP. But there's two of them to watch if anyone ever wants to.
I doubt Hollywood could or would ever truly kill the franchises. They may get lost in limbo for God knows how long. Maybe 20 years. But I think that, given enough time, a lot of patience, wheeling and dealing, and a long break from these films will make somebody want to sell them, and someone else want to bring them back. I don't think we'll ever see the day when they're actually gone forever, but we may be in for one hell of a long wait.
But as long as those original movies are around, we'll always have perfection.
I'm really trying to look at the Alien series this way. But the biggest thing that nags at me is: What becomes of David? He's hugely important to the story now and I really want to see his arc completed.
But without a conclusion, I just have to tell myself the engineers killed him for his actions on Planet 4, then took his eggs. Perhaps they were taking them back to their bioweapons facility on LV-223 when an egg hatched and impregnated the engineer pilot, so he crashed on the nearby LV-426.
I'm actually considering putting together a fan film in the style of that Advent short, where we see David's point-of-view as he's been heavily damaged, bleeding milk everywhere. He sends a progress report to the company informing them that he had a whole alien hive set up on Origae 6, and the engineers came & killed his creations, took the last of his eggs, and rendered him barely functioning. He could present the theory that perhaps the eggs are being taken back to LV-223 where they will be contained safely from their populated planets. He would instruct the company to bring human hosts within the vicinity of LV-223 if they're interested in obtaining his perfect creatures. Then David would explain that he's made his mark on this universe and no longer feels the drive to go on, so he will allow his body to fail.
It would be much more underwhelming than the finale Ridley has planned, I'm sure, but it would be something to close the gap and scratch an itch.
As for Predator... The world really needs to support the hell out of The Predator next month to show Disney that it's profitable. Humanity already blew it for the Alien series by not supporting Covenant, god damn it!!!
For the sake of Predator fans, I really hope The Predator doesn't end on a massive cliffhanger like Covenant did.
Marrrrry Fiken Poppins people are dumb - I hope the best - i just hope for the best...
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 13, 2018, 02:42:23 AM
As for Predator... The world really needs to support the hell out of The Predator next month to show Disney that it's profitable. Humanity already blew it for the Alien series by not supporting Covenant, god damn it!!!
I'm leaning towards going now, just to "vote with my wallet" so to speak. As for Covenant, I check every plot summary upon release to see if the story is worth my time, Covenant most definitely was not. The nearest theater is almost an hour from where I live and in heavy traffic. Plus all the red light cameras which are ticket happy. I wasn't about to spend 5 hours and $150 on covenant after travel costs and a possible red light ticket because they shortened the yellow light to 2.5 seconds after installing the cameras. Not to mention the theater's service and quality is less than stellar.
But these are extraordinary circumstances. It could be the end of these movies for quite some time. So I may go. As for the movie ending on a cliffhanger, it's clear from the trailer that it will end on a call to challenge, as our surviving heroes gaze up at the morning sky. I don't have the utmost faith in what they're doing with this movie, and I really don't care for certain aspects of the plot, but I hope it does the best it can. I honestly don't see it doing more than 250mil end total, unless this news from Disney creates a "last chance" effect or something and draws more people to see it than would've otherwise.
Quote from: LtJesseRipley on Aug 13, 2018, 03:01:30 AM
Marrrrry Fiken Poppins people are dumb - I hope the best - i just hope for the best...
Just out of curiosity, who are these dumb people to which you refer?
Fantastic, wish i could say this was something new; but the Alien/Predator franchise in general seems to be cursed by poor management. The Predator does look promising; but I swear is Disney shelves all their mature content there will be hell to pay.
sounds like the m aking of a great fan film if you ask me.....lol
I still believe (or want to believe) that 'scale back' means less amount of movies per year, with less global budget for this kind of movies. I don't think it means they want to never make a family 'unfriendly' movie ever again. Anyways, Alien and Predator are franchises with enough cult following, they wont want to lose that. Maybe they make them under the Fox Searchlight logo, or go for a PG13 instead R, or just use the IP for TV content as it was rumored (they arent closing Fox tv division). And with Predator, I have the feeling that Fox already wanted to turn the saga into a family friendly franchise with The Predator (remember all that Shane Black talk about making it an event film).
I have faith that Ridley will push for a final Alien movie at the very least. Maybe in 5 years. If he is still alive by then :b
I dont think they'll ever make a PG-13 Alien or Predator movie.
*cough* AvP *cough*
I dont think theyll ever make a PG-13 Alien or Predator movie
...............Again
Isn't it ironic that the Alien was scarier in Anderson's PG-13 AVP than in Strause's R-Rated AVP? Maybe even the Predator?
Scale back is not a bad term. This just means that they are going to throw money at projects...this doesn't meant that the quality of the projects are going to be bad. That is on the director and producer. The first predator was made for 18 million dollars....was that a bad quality film? No. Remember that was made back in the day when special effects were not as good as today. That film produced one of the greatest creatures of all time.
I think we all need to catch our breath here and relax. ALL OF THIS is rumor and innuendo and until Disney officially addresses the "mature" Fox library they own, I wouldn't personally get all worked up over this.
My feelings are these: Disney can do 1 of 2 things here. 1.) They can decide to keep the VALUABLE adult IPs like Predator and ALIEN and release them under their Touchstone Pictures label or create another "adult oriented R rated/Risky PG-13" movie label to release them under or 2.) Sell off the IPs to another movie studio like Warner Bros(who I'm sure would LOVE the ALIEN and Predator franchises among others).
I think the most likely scenario is that Disney will indeed KEEP the ALIEN and Predator franchises along with the other adult leaning franchises.
I do not think for one moment that Disney stock holders would like hearing that the first thing Disney does after spending 71 billion dollars is to jettison some of the most arguably known IPs in the world in ALIEN and Predator. If I was a shareholder(I wish haha) I'd absolutely be opposed to Disney selling them off or shelving them.
I'm sure Cpl Hicks and some other established members here have some very solid sources (I've been here quite a long time but lurk more than post) and all I would suggest is that there *MAY BE* some FUD being thrown around by upset Comcast shareholders or "sources" who for one reason or another didn't want Disney to close the deal. So just be weary of "rumors" or "insiders" contacting you with this kind of stuff.
I just don't see Disney getting rid of these franchises.
Cheers! :)
I don't want to raise any hopes for myself though, I harken back to the chat Andrew E Gaska (Fox consultant for the Predator/Alien universe) gave at the Alien Prequel Paradise FB page last month were he said that Fox unofficially had greenlit the final Prequel film though with a 'substantially reduced budget' as of last April. Though, that was under Fox.
Though, seeing mention of 'scaled back' in the WSJ article, reminds me of what Andrew spoke about the film's tight budget. It makes me speculate that Disney might of given Fox the greenlight to approve the project since Scott is doing Merlin for them with the reduced budget. Though, like I mentioned its all speculation, plus reading Disney not wanting to delve into R-Rated territory just throws me out of the loop.
I think the only way Disney releases Alien type of film it would be a film that it's a mix of The Martian that has some gore (i.e. Damon taking out that piece of pipe from his chest) and tone that has a mixture of drama/action similar to Aliens and Rogue One (dark ending) for that coveted PG-13 rating.
Though, I'm just pissing in the wind at this juncture. Like LiquidMonster has said, its all rumor and speculation at the moment. Let's see what happens next year.
'movies that don't fit its family-friendly, franchise-focused formula'
And Disney cast actors who were in prisons, dealt with drugs, domestic abuse, conceald weapon etc...
Family friendly my a.s
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'movies that don't fit its family-friendly, franchise-focused formula'
And Disney cast actors who were in prisons, dealt with drugs, domestic abuse, conceald weapon etc...
Family friendly my a.s
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This!
And practically Walt Disney was a NAZI.
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Quote from: Flap-Jack on Aug 13, 2018, 04:19:50 PM
'movies that don't fit its family-friendly, franchise-focused formula'
And Disney cast actors who were in prisons, dealt with drugs, domestic abuse, conceald weapon etc...
Family friendly my a.s
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This!
And practically Walt Disney was a NAZI.
What in the world are ya'll talkin' about? Drugs? Nazis?
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Aug 13, 2018, 11:31:21 AM
Isn't it ironic that the Alien was scarier in Anderson's PG-13 AVP than in Strause's R-Rated AVP? Maybe even the Predator?
No.
I expect the series will continue in cinema. I just hope it isn't as mis anaged as Fox did.
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Quote from: Flap-Jack on Aug 13, 2018, 04:19:50 PM
'movies that don't fit its family-friendly, franchise-focused formula'
And Disney cast actors who were in prisons, dealt with drugs, domestic abuse, conceald weapon etc...
Family friendly my a.s
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This!
And practically Walt Disney was a NAZI.
CONFIRMED.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 14, 2018, 02:15:27 AM
Quote from: locusta on Aug 13, 2018, 10:09:29 PM
Quote from: Flap-Jack on Aug 13, 2018, 04:19:50 PM
'movies that don't fit its family-friendly, franchise-focused formula'
And Disney cast actors who were in prisons, dealt with drugs, domestic abuse, conceald weapon etc...
Family friendly my a.s
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This!
And practically Walt Disney was a NAZI.
CONFIRMED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjTtumHAcxs
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Dis is dread, mon. Trooooly dread.
Quote from: locusta on Aug 13, 2018, 10:09:29 PM
Quote from: Flap-Jack on Aug 13, 2018, 04:19:50 PM
'movies that don't fit its family-friendly, franchise-focused formula'
And Disney cast actors who were in prisons, dealt with drugs, domestic abuse, conceald weapon etc...
Family friendly my a.s
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This!
And practically Walt Disney was a NAZI.
And white slavers, don't forget they're white slavers as well!
Are they members of the Slavers' Guild?
(https://www.fonline-reloaded.net/wiki/images/4/49/Slaverperk.png)
Haha...Fallout.
More pointless sugar coated, dumbed down empty crap. The House of Mouse is nothing more than a sterile, cretinous monolith that seeks only the safe dollars that ensures taking no risks and where original creativity is a dangerous concept and saccharine safe and true formulas will always rule the bottom line.
Seems that they have a short memory because somewhere in the Disney vaults lie those much maligned animations good ol' Walt did to promote Nazi ideology and to lambast the jews and portray them as rats in a sewer. Not exactly family friendly at the time eh.
I'd like to remind everyone that Disney owns Miramax, which released Pulp Fiction.
Quote from: Naginata on Aug 15, 2018, 01:39:11 AM
I'd like to remind everyone that Disney owns Miramax, which released Pulp Fiction.
Disney allowed a lot of things over the years, but we're way beyond even the 90's now. Disney has the technology to bring nearly anything to the screen, and they've found their bread and butter in super heroes/animated movies etc. It's the biggest cash cow, and nothing will upset the apple cart. It's absolutely possible that, as far as Disney might be concerned, movies like Covenant and its modest earnings can go to blazes. They'll go make another animated movie and rake in another swift billion.
Quote from: Naginata on Aug 15, 2018, 01:39:11 AM
I'd like to remind everyone that Disney owns Miramax, which released Pulp Fiction.
beIN owns Miramax.
Disney hasn't own Miramax since 2010.
The violence in the last alien was kind of out of place and felt forced in just to make it r rated.
What a bizarre thing to say, the Neomorphs are inherently excessively violent
due to how they infect a host and exit a host.
Couldn't disagree more.
Yeah, I really don't feel like any of Covenant was excessive or felt forced at all. It all felt very much in place to me and effective. That backburst is still amazing.
Anything Disney do will be better than Ridley Scott's ridiculous prequels.
Like it or not, Disney makes quality products. I'm sure their scripts will be better than the last three Aliens movies' combined.
For those who say the Alien's essence demands R-Rated gore and sexual stuff... well, we had enough of that in Aliens: Covenant (which was some kind of Alien -1979- in steroids when it comes to that aspect) and it didn't pay off. It's time for a new direction...
I, personally, would accept a more sci-fi/action take/reboot of the series, even if it's PG-13; as long as the scripts are great. But I understand and respect those fans who wouldn't.
I hope they at least let Ridley finish his ''ridiculous prequels''. Other than that, I don't hold out much hope that Disney will come up with anything interesting.
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 15, 2018, 02:14:23 PM
I hope they at least let Ridley finish his ''ridiculous prequels''. Other than that, I don't hold out much hope that Disney will come up with anything interesting.
Indeed.
Clamouring for inevitable mediocrity I don't understand.
I wouldn't give Ridley another chance. There was no need for this to be a trilogy.
OK, I enjoyed
Prometheus (many people didn't) but I thought it was going to be the start of a new spinoff franchise.
Covenant was awful IMO; a tiresome
Alien re-hash with extra gore, with the idea of being a 'crowd-pleaser', but with such lame script, that repeated and amplified the braindead characters from
Prometheus, it felt perfunctory and nauseating.
Ridley could at least have had it connect to Alien and be the 'true' prequel. But he was so naïve he thought we all would love it and give him yet another chance.
No, I don't want Ridley to give us one more of his embarrassing movies, and I'm sure he has no good ideas for it whatsoever. We better go to the next thing right now and forget about these failed attempts of prequels, which for me are so stupid and over the top (well, at least
Covenant) my brain will never accept as canon (and I'm perfectly fine about it).
Just do some kind of 'soft reboot' based on The Female Wars, with a new Ripley actress which comes back to Earth after surviving the
Alien and
Aliens events. Who knows, maybe a new Bishop, a new Hicks, you can even throw around a new version of Elizabeth Shaw in this reboot/reimagining/new continuity.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 03:06:46 PMClamouring for inevitable mediocrity I don't understand.
Yeah... because
Covenant was grrrreeeeat!! :D
At least Disney does a better job with characters.
Who knows, the franchise might even end up in Cameron's hands, following the
Avatar deals and so.
You won't get films like Alien and Logan under Disney, at least Fox gives people enough creative freedom
to do what they want in a lot of cases. To do the unpopular.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 15, 2018, 03:17:56 PM
I wouldn't give Ridley another chance.
No, I don't want Ridley to give us one more of his embarrassing movies, and I'm sure he has no good ideas for it whatsoever.
Just do some kind of 'soft reboot' based on The Female Wars, with a new Ripley actress which comes back to Earth after surviving the Alien and Aliens events. Who knows, maybe a new Bishop, a new Hicks, you can even throw around a new version of Elizabeth Shaw in this reboot/reimagining/new continuity.
I find your proposals repulsive.
& Disrespectful.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 03:36:01 PMYou won't get films like Alien and Logan under Disney,
You mean the R rating? I don't think a movie doesn't necessarily need an R-Rated movie to be good.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 03:36:01 PMat least Fox gives people enough creative freedom
Tell that to Josh Trank.
Anyway, maybe the problem is sometimes too much creative freedom. They gave the keys to the realm to Matt Reeves (
Planet of the Apes), which was good; but they also gave them to Simon Kinberg and Ridley Scott, who made some atrocious movies for
X-Men and
Alien, sometimes to the point of almost killing the franchises.
I think Ridley Scott misused his "creative freedom", and that goes all back to the
Lost guy who wrote
Prometheus without a clear plan. Covenant was no only little creative (it was sort of an
Alien re-hash) but also most of his new ideas were awful. Like, was there no one there to tell him the script was terrible?
These film series need more consistent quality (similar to what Kevin Feige does for Marvel) to keep going strong. See what they did with
Star Wars: The Last Jedi? There was little overseeing, they gave all the power to the director, and the movie was thoroughly divisive.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 03:36:01 PMDisgusting, I'm glad you aren't in charge.
Well, that's your taste and your opinion, and I respect that.
Only saying, the prequels were not good or popular. Covenant's lukewarm reviews and low box office gross prove that. It could have been good on a fanservice level (and not all the fandom embraced the movie), but the franchise can't survive only with the fandom.
If you want the alien series to be family friendly then please just end the series as it is.
You dont have to have an r rating to have a good film. But adult themes, language, and gore are a key component of the alien franchise. If its watered down to please all ages then it wont be satisfying and you may as well just come up with a new scifi franchise.
Also Covenants gore isnt out of line with any of the other alien films. Maybe more intense than anything since Alien3 though. I dont think if felt forced at all in AC.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 15, 2018, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 03:36:01 PMYou won't get films like Alien and Logan under Disney,
You mean the R rating? I don't think a movie doesn't necessarily need an R-Rated movie to be good.
No I mean something able to break normal boundaries.
I think the only awful thing about Covenant is the characters' behaviour,
the script needed tightening but the ideas were solid.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 15, 2018, 03:54:53 PMIf you want the alien series to be family friendly then please just end the series as it is.
Maybe you don't understand what "family friendly" means. I didn't say that. PG-13 would be alright for a sci-fi/thriller/action movie.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 15, 2018, 03:54:53 PMYou dont have to have an r rating to have a good film. But adult themes, language, and gore are a key component of the alien franchise.
A PG-13 movie can feature adult themes. It doesn't need to be braindead. Look at movies like
Winter Soldier; the themes and the tone were pretty adult (not kid- or teen-pandering) and it had pretty thrilling and intense action.
You can get away with a lot of stuff in a PG-13 movie. There's even an argument that
Logan could have worked as a PG-13 movie;
Logan wasn't good because of the gore, but because of the themes. The violence and gore was just a nice dressing, specially because some people were salivating to
finally see an R-Rated Wolverine.
Language? I don't need that.
Gore? That's always been kind of a brand for the Alien series, but we've had already too many 'gorey' Alien movies, and some of them were not good (or succesful) at all. I'm open to a change in that sense. Specially because I'm not an Alien fan for its gore, but for the thrills, the action and the sci-fi aspect. But I know some of the fans won't accept it without the gore, and I respect that. Yet, here I am making my case.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 15, 2018, 03:54:53 PMIf its watered down to please all ages
PG-13 is not "all ages". It's not for little 7 years olds or something. It's for both teenagers and adults.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 15, 2018, 03:54:53 PMthen it wont be satisfying.
I've watched a lot of very satisfying PG-13 movies. Hell, first time I saw the
Aliens movies were on public TV broadcast, with most (if not all) the gore cut, and they still were scary and satisfying as s***.
As for Covenant... it had all the gore, language and nudity, and it wasn't satisfying, it was embarrassing.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 15, 2018, 03:54:53 PMl and you may as well just come up with a new scifi franchise.
Yeah, but I want them to be the xenos. I want the Alien universe to expand its mythology, have new epic sagas, great new characters and keep going on strong... and you don't necessarily need gore and swearing for that.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:05:02 PMNo I mean something able to break normal boundaries.
There's a lot of 'boundaries' you can break without recurring to gore.
We just fundementally disagree then.
Also Ive seen satisfying pg13 films too. Im saying this series specifically wouldnt be satisfying if was produced with pg13 in mind.
And gore had nothing to do with the issues present in previous films.
Yeah, I think an Alien film without R rating will feel a lot less satisfying. Especially after Covenant.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 15, 2018, 04:06:13 PM
There's a lot of 'boundaries' you can break without recurring to gore.
I'm not referring to the rating but the creative freedom those creating the film have to go off the beaten path.
To do something unpopular, to be a David Lynch, James Mangold or Jonathan Glazer.
Someone with a vision they're unwilling to compromise on.
Time and time again, Disney has shown reluctance to allow that.
Attempting to popularize the series by removing elements that have been present from 1979 is creatively bankrupt, the worst thing they could do.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:16:38 PMTime and time again, Disney has shown reluctance to allow that.
And has 20th Century Fox tried to do something "artistic" and "innovative" with the Alien franchise that's been?
Covenant was nothing but a braindead rehash of the first Alien movies, trying to pander to the gore-hungry audience, IMO. And everything else about that movie were awful ideas.
It might be Scott's product, but it was bad. Bad as a movie, bad for the business and bad for the franchise.
For me, quality is more important that "vision" or "innovation", and the last Alien entries haven't been actually good. There are a couple salvagable things here and there, but overall they were a mess. Movies shouldn't be a mess.
That's why they need supervision, of someone that knows better than Scott. It just looks like they gave all the money to Scott and then disappeared, they closed their eyes and just expected him to do masterpieces or something. They weren't.
If you're going to produce "creative freedom" movies, at least the producers should be people who recognize when a product is a good idea or a bad idea. The prequels were bad ideas and bad movies.
Disney usually produces quality movies. That's already something better than going out there like a blind man trying to hit something with a stick, which is what Fox seems to do. Sometimes they hit gold (Matt Reeve's
Planet of the Apes trilogy), but twice the times, they not only hit crap but they keep hitting it (Simon Kinberg, with many bad
X-Men movies; and they would be crazy if they give more money and power to Scott after
Covenant), unapologeticly, and keep throwing money at it.
To be fair,
some of the stuff Kinberg and Scott have done are pretty good, but some others are simply awful, sometimes again and again, and they keep giving them all the chances. That just creates inconsistent movie franchises that can end up dead at any point, and that makes hard to invest on that.
At least you should not contradict yourself with the "creative freedom" and "uncompromised innovation" thing and don't insist hiring Scott again. Having him back after TWO movie prequels, which both made the same mistakes, and asking for a third one we all know how's going to and... that's NOT innovation; it's the opposite to innovation. Give the franchise to someone else with new ideas.
Maybe Scott shouldn't have come back after the original
Alien with his rancid ideas for the Jockeys and the xenos; I think everything would have been better that way.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:16:38 PMAttempting to popularize the series by removing elements that have been present from 1979 is creatively bankrupt, the worst thing they could do.
Isn't an Alien PG-13 movie an "uncompromised" vision? Having to include gore, sex allegories and swearing in the Alien movies is kind of a pretty "established, standard" idea... wouldn't the idea of an Alien PG-13 movie be "innovative", then? ;)
This new approach could actually revitalize the franchise. Sadly, Covenant was all the opposite to that; it felt only like the hundredth rehash of the Alien franchise, hitting all the clichés and made worse by the braindead characters from
Prometheus. It's clear the franchise needs something NEW, not more Ridley Scott.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 15, 2018, 04:44:19 PM
At least you should not contradict yourself with the "creative freedom" and "uncompromised innovation" thing and don't insist hiring Scott again. Having him back after TWO movie prequels, which both made the same mistakes, and asking for a third one we all know how's going to and... that's NOT innovation; it's the opposite to innovation.
Give the franchise to someone else with new ideas.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:16:38 PMAttempting to popularize the series by removing elements that have been present from 1979 is creatively bankrupt, the worst thing they could do.
Isn't an Alien PG-13 movie an "uncompromised" vision? Having to include gore, sex allegories and swearing in the Alien movies is kind of a pretty "established, standard" idea... wouldn't the idea of an Alien PG-13 movie be "innovative", then? ;)
If you notice, I actually never said I wanted Ridley Scott to return but that's neither here nor there.
& He did contribute new ideas in his prequels, because you didn't like them doesn't make them any less new.
I'm all for giving the franchise to new filmmakers, Tongal is doing it at the very least.
But bringing back old characters and retconning to do "Aliens but bigger" is a vapid idea, and I'll take Ridley Scott's
attempts at articulating a new idea over that. He just needs a better script to mold his work around.
No, having to include sexual subtext and fears of the foreign makes it an Alien film.
Otherwise as others have said, you might as well make a new Science-Fiction franchise.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:56:08 PMIf you notice, I actually never said I wanted Ridley Scott to return but that's neither here nor there.
& He did contribute new ideas in his prequels, because you didn't like them doesn't make them any less new.
They were new but bad. I want new and good.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:56:08 PMBut bringing back old characters and retconning to do "Aliens but bigger" is a vapid idea
Well, Ridley did "
Alien but without aliens" with
Prometheus, and "
Alien but bigger" with
Covenant.
OK, there was an attempt to touching new themes with
Prometheus, but it was only a tease, they didn't actually fulfill anything but raising a couple questions (Lindelof as a writer? REALLY??) and then throwing all that away with
Covenant.
Ridley needed guts, he ended up just rehashing his first movie; that tells me he didn't have any trust on his idea, or had nothing of substance actually planned. I liked the idea of Prometheus becoming a new thing, spinning off from Alien, but in the end, Ridley didn't know how to do anything. He didn't have the brains, only a vague intention... a whim, perhaps.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:56:08 PMand I'll take Ridley Scott's attempts at articulating a new idea over that.
I don't. It was a mess. A disaster. A waste. And it sort of ruined the old continuity (or I would think that, if I were able to take the prequels seriously... thank God I can't, and probably no one with a brain can). No, I don't take that over an
Aliens sort of follow-up.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:56:08 PMHe just needs a better script to mold his work around.
I'm not giving him another chance.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:56:08 PMNo, having to include sexual subtext and fears of the foreign makes it an Alien film.
Sadly, the formula is commercially dead. Scott himself killed it.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:56:08 PMOtherwise as others have said, you might as well make a new Science-Fiction franchise.
Well, I want it to be Alien/s. I want it to be xenos. I want it to be engineers. Only with a better story that what we've had so far, after the first two movies. There was just so much unfulfilled potential.
Just Alien but bigger? No.
@ https://gothic-fiction-in-space.tumblr.com/tagged/romanticism
Your endlessing insulting of other's work does you no credit.
No one with a brain will take the prequels seriously?
O.K, that's enough talking to you for now with that elitism.
Alien is fine, Scott always delivers on time and under budget.
Predator on the other hand, actually these movies are cheap but the draw I think barely covers then.
If Disney is going to try I would actually think that they would go for the pg 13 route with AVP.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 15, 2018, 05:39:46 PM
Alien is fine, Scott always delivers on time and under budget.
Predator on the other hand, actually these movies are cheap but the draw I think barely covers then.
If Disney is going to try I would actually think that they would go for the pg 13 route with AVP.
Big companies these days will want to play it safe. While Alien is well known for its R rated universe, its still something Disney hasn't full on has dipped toes in unlike Universal or Fox. It might be a branch sure, but I don't trust it still as I can easily see Disney neglecting the Alien franchise for other properties that are making sure money.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 15, 2018, 05:39:46 PMIf Disney is going to try I would actually think that they would go for the pg 13 route with AVP.
They could make it a shared universe, with all those species. Throw in the Na'vi or something hah hah.
I hope the books and comics continue at least..
Ughhhh they even put this gif on purpose lol..
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#ItsStarted
Well, it's not attributed to Disney but it's attributed to Fox. I don't know if it's related or not.
Joss Whedon Says Fox is Pulling the Buffy the Vampire Slayer License from Dark Horse (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/08/15/joss-whedon-says-fox-pulling-buffy-license-dark-horse/)
Of note at the bottom -
QuoteA potentially interesting point to note is that the Firefly license Whedon also mentions has already been taken away and given to BOOM! Studios, the publisher in which Fox owns a significant minority stake. Perhaps the writing has been on the wall the entire time? Asked for comment, Bleeding Cool Rumourmonger-in-Chief Rich Johnston responded, "pip pip."
Perhaps a move to save the license when the buy-out takes place, leaving it under a now Disney owned company?
Let the Russo brothers have a crack at it. Or James Mangold.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 16, 2018, 08:12:42 AM
Let the Russo brothers have a crack at it. Or James Mangold.
Good choices, there's better ones but these are good acceptably mainstream ones.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 16, 2018, 08:12:42 AM
Let the Russo brothers have a crack at it. Or James Mangold.
For an Alien/Predator movie? Oh God no
Disney can go $@#! itself! they've ruined enough things already. Stop being greedy and steeling everything!
Quote from: D88M on Aug 16, 2018, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 16, 2018, 08:12:42 AM
Let the Russo brothers have a crack at it. Or James Mangold.
For an Alien/Predator movie? Oh God no
How about Danny Boyle?
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 17, 2018, 02:34:09 AM
Quote from: EatA$@&#!Disney on Aug 17, 2018, 12:19:48 AMthey've ruined enough things already.
Such as...
I assume he is probably reffering to star wars or those super heroes movies.
Well, they absolutely gutted Lucasfilm and its entire production slate when they bought it, seems like their style. Gotta say it seems like yet another really bad move for Disney, who're reliant pretty much entirely on Marvel and their back catalogue. Why buy Fox if you're not going to do anything with it? To add more nebulous "value" for the shareholders?
Regardless, I've been saying for years the franchise needs to die. Maybe it actually will now. Let's all buy the latest collector's sets and have a wake, been a long, LONG downhill slide but we're finally about to hit the bottom.
Gutted? They've made 4 films 6 years with 6 more in the works.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 17, 2018, 02:53:18 AM
Quote from: D88M on Aug 16, 2018, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 16, 2018, 08:12:42 AM
Let the Russo brothers have a crack at it. Or James Mangold.
For an Alien/Predator movie? Oh God no
How about Danny Boyle?
Wasn't he offered Resurrection? Personally, I'd love to see him tackle an Alien film.
Both him and Peter Jackson.
I didn't know he was offered AR, but I dig his style. To me, 28 Days Later and Sunshine are proof that he can do Alien.
The only question is whether or not Cillian Murphy gets cast. :P
Cillian Murphy would have made a great Dorian Sudler, he basically has the same description, black hair, icy blue eyes and roughly the same build.
Cillian Murphy is too beautiful to be evil, even as Scarecrow lol.
Hiroyuki Sanada could be Mr. Yutani.
But he is really chilling when he is evil. :laugh: Scarecrow, Jack Rippner. Cillian is a great actor.
I think that would be a good choice for Mr. Yutani. I think he was recently in Westworld.
I hope this doesnt stop games or books too. While i have always been an advocate for fresh new characters and story this is just depressing.
I would hate any possibility of future games to be ruined becuase of disney
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 17, 2018, 02:56:07 AMI assume he is probably reffering to star wars or those super heroes movies.
Because Daredevil/Elektra and Ghost Rider movies, and the Star Wars prequels were masterpieces, I guess?
Actually the ratio of hits to misses as per marvel / Disney is unprecedented in history. Daredevil , Electra, were exceptions to the rule...
You sure? XD
Quote from: The Cruentus on Aug 17, 2018, 09:01:26 AM
Cillian Murphy would have made a great Dorian Sudler, he basically has the same description, black hair, icy blue eyes and roughly the same build.
DUDE! I thought the same thing while reading Cold Forge. He could pull it off.
Ha ha! Totally he could do it..
I don't think movie studios care about fulfilling the physical description of a character from a novel practically no one read ::)
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 17, 2018, 03:26:54 PM
I don't think movie studios care about fulfilling the physical description of a character from a novel practically no one read ::)
Debbie downer
I've mentioned Murphy before, especially during the release of Cold forge. He's played the role of "bad guy" (in my head) for most of the Alien novels and unused scripts I've ever read. But Sudler was the best character I could ever hope to see him play in the franchise. If we never get to see him as the dirty "suit" in an alien movie, it will be a tragedy. But no matter what Alien literature I read, he'll always be the bad guy. And, as far as I'm concerned, he always has.
Eggs tastes bad, or the other way round.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 17, 2018, 03:26:54 PM
I don't think movie studios care about fulfilling the physical description of a character from a novel practically no one read ::)
I don't either, but Danny Boyle might. I doubt they'd adapt an EU novel anyway.
Regardless, it could still be said without the condescension.
Did I come off as such? I haven't read the novel, but I've only heard good things about it.
Not you - Magegg.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2018, 12:05:38 PM
Did I come off as such? I haven't read the novel, but I've only heard good things about it.
It was so good and really original. I hope Alex White becomes a mainstay because he mentioned something on the avp podcast about having other ideas...
Magegg your logic is no good here people worship RS's terrible movies.
"Logic"?
This is why we can't have nice things. ;)
No, it's why certain people aren't allowed nice things because they feel the need to be a (insert insult of your choice).
I would take this latest information with a grain of salt. Nothing worth the money the Alien and Predator franchises are will be dissolved the way this information suggests. If DISNEY is that set on doing away with it - and I still think they will sooner consider finding a more PG-13/Stranger Things-like approach to it - they will simply sell the rights to someone else.
Why on earth would they just do away with an entire profitable franchise or something that makes that kind of money? They will simply sell the rights to it.
Also Im not sure the reporting is clear. DISNEY PARKS have considered ALIEN family-friendly enough to include in their parks for decades. Lets not get carried away. They arent gonna throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Consider this: ALIENS w/o the cursing, is likely a PG-13 film by today's standards.
Man, gotta say I kind of hope they sell it rather than commercialize it to that extent.
Possibly some good news with regards to the Fox/Disney deal.
Could Emma Watts become Fox's version of Kathleen Kennedy? Emma Watts previously worked with Ridley Scott in order to realize Alien Covenant.
QuoteWhile it doesn't look like 20th Century Fox's chairman/CEO Stacey Snider will be sticking around (as Alan Horn would likely take her role) post-merger there is now word from THR that Vice Chair Emma Watts will have a new role at Disney.
Watts, a seasoned production executive with strong talent relationships, is in a different position. Her exact role at Disney is still being hammered out, although her duties are almost certain to involve guiding films now in the 20th Century Fox pipeline, including the marquee Avatar and Kingsman franchises (in recent days, Kingsman 3 was dated for release on Nov. 8, 2019).
Watts has strong ties to such filmmakers and talent as James Cameron, Ryan Reynolds, Matthew Vaughn, Ridley Scott and Matt Reeves.
There are also signs that 20th Century Fox (with Watts overseeing), Fox 2000, and Fox Searchlight (Bob Iger has suggested they won't be touching it) could stay as in and just report directly to Alan Horn. Not unlike other studios like Marvel, Pixar, and Lucasfilm under the Disney umbrella
Full article at: https://thegww.com/20th-century-foxs-vice-chair-emma-watts-takes-new-role-at-disney-overseeing-future-fox-releases/ (https://thegww.com/20th-century-foxs-vice-chair-emma-watts-takes-new-role-at-disney-overseeing-future-fox-releases/)
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That gives me hope. Hopefully her presence helps Ridley get one final prequel.
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1050115852081741824
Perhaps with the sell coming to a close, we'll know the fate of the franchise and if Riddles gets to make his final prequel film. Crossing my fingers Watts does stay, so she can pull some strings and help get Awakening officially green lit.
Once we know how the film division is going to be handled we'll have a better idea of what to expect. It is sounding likely that Fox will continue to function as it's own thing under Disney so we might not get much of a change to Alien and Predator.
Indeed.
Fingers Crossed
Perhaps the biggest change that we'll notice may just be the little subtitle on the bottom of logo instead of saying a 'A News Corporation Company' it will now say 'A Walt Disney Company ' :laugh:
So I guess this means, like Star Wars, A/P comic contract rights will run out and eventually be moved to Marvel. (sigh)
My secret hope is they sell AVP to WB then Alien and Blade Runner can finally be legitimately connected.
Rubs grimy hands together.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 11, 2018, 01:26:50 PM
My secret hope is they sell AVP to WB then Alien and Blade Runner can finally be legitimately connected.
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:laugh: FOOL.
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Quote from: The Old One on Oct 11, 2018, 01:26:50 PM
My secret hope is they sell AVP to WB then Alien and Blade Runner can finally be legitimately connected.
Rubs grimy hands together.
Good thing then that Blade Runner doesn't belong to Warner Brothers.
Don't know, I don't know such stuff. I just do eyes.
Quote from: 0321recon on Oct 11, 2018, 11:42:13 AM
Perhaps the biggest change that we'll notice may just be the little subtitle on the bottom of logo instead of saying a 'A News Corporation Company' it will now say 'A Walt Disney Company ' :laugh:
I've been saying that since this was first announced.
Seems my wishes and others for the final prequel film have come to reality. Emma Watts is going to head Fox under the house of mouse, and answer directly to Alan Horn. Let's hope she pulls the strings to finish the trilogy.
https://deadline.com/2018/10/disney-absorbs-fox-executives-emma-watts-elizabeth-gabler-fox-searchlight-1202485406/
Hope so.
It would be a really stupid move if they weren't to finish the prequel trilogy.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/disney-fox-film-merger-1202984783/
"It seems as though Disney is still trying to determine exactly how these new film assets will be integrated into its studio."
Why would they not have this ironed out before a bid was even made? Seems like too big of a purchase to make when there isn't some sort of long term trajectory to follow...
Quote from: Wysps on Oct 20, 2018, 02:54:25 PM
"It seems as though Disney is still trying to determine exactly how these new film assets will be integrated into its studio."
Why would they not have this ironed out before a bid was even made? Seems like too big of a purchase to make when there isn't some sort of long term trajectory to follow...
I thought the main reason for the big was to gain Fox shows for streaming services... and maybe the X-Men. Every other IP they're getting is just gravy.
https://deadline.com/2018/11/european-commission-approves-disney-71-billion-acquisition-fox-conditions-1202496828/
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 19, 2018, 03:23:33 AM
It would be a really stupid move if they weren't to finish the prequel trilogy.
I'd be surprised if the third movie gets made. Could happen, but could be years in the future, too.
There was never a planned trilogy in the first place.
Back when Prometheus came out, Riddles said there was scope for three more films before they got to Alien.
Regardless what he said, the series fell into the pattern for a trilogy. Could he stretch it to 4 films? Who knows. How much can you ever really trust anything that guy says or said?
How did fall into the "pattern for a trilogy"?
I'm up for a third or fourth prequel. Just not at the cost of a new sequel to Aliens. Maybe Disney will have the cojones needed to do all films at once.
Keep in mind, Aliens had all the makings of an adult fairy tale. Newt is a Disney princess in many ways.
Do many Disney Princesses suffer violent deaths?
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2018, 01:32:38 AM
Do many Disney Princesses suffer violent deaths?
"I'm late, I'm late, for a very disgusting fate"
A whole new world! A magic place I never...cough..choke...CHESTBURST!!
"Lungs. Filled with fluid. Ergo, she drowned."
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 07, 2018, 01:48:04 AM
"Lungs. Filled with fluid. Ergo, she drowned."
"The Lt. feels there still exists a possibility for a communicable infection."
...BURN THE CASTLE!
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2018, 01:32:38 AM
Do many Disney Princesses suffer violent deaths?
Referring to Aliens of course. IMO, It is an adult fairy tale much like Pan's Labyrinth.
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 07, 2018, 01:50:52 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 07, 2018, 01:48:04 AM
"Lungs. Filled with fluid. Ergo, she drowned."
"The Lt. feels there still exists a possibility for a communicable infection."
...BURN THE CASTLE!
It would appear that the child drowned, though without the
proper laboratory tests its Impossible to be absolutely certain -
but I think it would be unwise to tolerate even the possibility
of an unwanted virus. An outbreak of cholera would look extremely
bad on a report.
"I don't think she was conscious."
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Yet another reason I prefer the AC.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 07, 2018, 01:28:15 AM
I'm up for a third or fourth prequel. Just not at the cost of a new sequel to Aliens. Maybe Disney will have the cojones needed to do all films at once.
Keep in mind, Aliens had all the makings of an adult fairy tale. Newt is a Disney princess in many ways.
Poor princess.
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 07, 2018, 01:28:15 AM
I'm up for a third or fourth prequel. Just not at the cost of a new sequel to Aliens. Maybe Disney will have the cojones needed to do all films at once.
Maybe if they stop shovelling cash onto the dumpster fire that is Star Wars for a minute.
Knock the Star Wars exposure down a peg and develop other properties.
They've made nearly $5b so far.
lol "dumpster fire"
If you can get that kind of money out of that kind of narrative effort, heck yeah, I'd keep doing it too. Not that I wouldn't mind a few years away from big franchises like Marvel, Star Wars, Jurassic, Transformers, etc. Go in different directions like Annihilation, Wind River and All Is Lost. Invest in smaller scale with good talent and strong narrative.
Well actually I'm counting on Disney taking that sort of Star Wars approach to the Aliens franchise. Just get a good team to plot out a large swath of stories that make cohesive sense together and release them every year with no mercy.
There was a time when the stature of Aliens was very high. The Aliens series was The Rolling Stones to Star Wars being the Beatles. That stature can be regained.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 07, 2018, 04:21:17 AM
Well actually I'm counting on Disney taking that sort of Star Wars approach to the Aliens franchise. Just get a good team to plot out a large swath of stories that make cohesive sense together and release them every year with no mercy.
... that is absolutely not what Disney did with Star Wars.
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2018, 03:54:07 AM
They've made nearly $5b so far.
lol "dumpster fire"
They would've made far more if the products weren't shit.
That being specifically the last two films and the majority of ancillary material.
Bad decisions like giving the videogame license to EA of all companies for ten years.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 07, 2018, 04:21:17 AM
Well actually I'm counting on Disney taking that sort of Star Wars approach to the Aliens franchise. Just get a good team to plot out a large swath of stories that make cohesive sense together and release them every year with no mercy.
There was a time when the stature of Aliens was very high. The Aliens series was The Rolling Stones to Star Wars being the Beatles. That stature can be regained.
It sounds like David & Goliath to me. Are you sure you'r not talking about Star Trek instead? :P
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 07, 2018, 04:36:44 AM
They would've made far more if the products weren't shit.
That is ...
hugely debatable.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 07, 2018, 04:36:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2018, 03:54:07 AM
They've made nearly $5b so far.
lol "dumpster fire"
They would've made far more if the products weren't shit.
That being specifically the last two films and the majority of ancillary material.
Bad decisions like giving the videogame license to EA of all companies for ten years.
:laugh:
:laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Nov 07, 2018, 04:36:35 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 07, 2018, 04:21:17 AM
Well actually I'm counting on Disney taking that sort of Star Wars approach to the Aliens franchise. Just get a good team to plot out a large swath of stories that make cohesive sense together and release them every year with no mercy.
... that is absolutely not what Disney did with Star Wars.
Correct- it's what Marvel Studios did, with decades of established stories to draw from.
Starting in 2009- already having released Iron-Man as the kickoff with a
singular good film the year prior.
As for SW:
The fact remains that the spin-off development has been a mess
and so has their license agreement with Electronic Arts.
Aside from Thrawn, Tarkin & Lost Stars the New EU hasn't proven it's existence worthwhile.
With sales trailing off many comic book stories that went no where. Or just outright bad books-
Such as Chuck Wendig's tie-in garbage.
& Many find TLJ repugnant.
For reasons other than the political.
Regardless, ultimately the point is that the good decisions;
that made the MCU what it is today did not come from Disney.
Nor did the bad decisions which have soured Star Wars longevity.
Only the investment.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 07, 2018, 04:50:10 AM
Regardless, ultimately the point is that the good decisions;
that made the MCU what it is today did not come from Disney.
That's fair.
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2018, 02:13:23 AM
"I don't think she was conscious."
https://www.avpcentral.com/images/newt-dead.jpg
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Dark, man, Dark.
(I laughed way too much at this)
Quote from: SiL on Nov 07, 2018, 05:04:20 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 07, 2018, 04:50:10 AM
Regardless, ultimately the point is that the good decisions;
that made the MCU what it is today did not come from Disney.
That's fair.
Ya, this is true. Marvel truly is the house of ideas inside the house of mouse.
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2018, 02:13:23 AM
"I don't think she was conscious."
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https://johnjohns1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Under+the+sea+under+the+sea+_5bda55cc63f5c0f504e8a80a8072a7f2.jpg
HA!
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1064554869720317952
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 07, 2018, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 07, 2018, 05:04:20 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 07, 2018, 04:50:10 AM
Regardless, ultimately the point is that the good decisions;
that made the MCU what it is today did not come from Disney.
That's fair.
Ya, this is true. Marvel truly is the house of ideas inside the house of mouse.
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This is the guy. Kevin Feige. The President of Marvel Studios. The buck stops with him. He is the decision maker, not Disney executives, and always will be unless he quits or stops printing money. Marvel fans are so lucky to have him.
I just hope our beloved franchises are not shelved indefinitely... with no hope of any future material film, comics, video games, toys, games etc.
I mean, Fox is making a big push for the 40th Anniversary for Alien Day in 2019 soo... something's still going on.
Theatrically things maybe quiet for a while. Alien is very much alive in the EU. Predator seems quiet for the meantime.
https://news.entertainmentearth.com/2019/01/02/disney-fox-acquisition/
Feeling a Wolverine vs Predator movie is imminent now... ;)
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* For the record I know Fox had Wolverine and Predator already, but under the Marvel deal they couldn't mix Marvel characters with other established franchises.
That was a fun short. There's a Batman AVP short, too.
So does this mean it was solidified soon than expected?
I hope Disney instantly cancels Alien: Awakening and instantly greenlights/reworks Blomkamp's Ripley's return.
That's exactly what the Alien franchise needs right now: go back mainstream and bring back the old audience by making their most loved hero return. An injection of crowd-pleasing joy, for a change this time.
Also, bring back Schwarzenneger in a new Predator movie.
Probably even a crossover, Ripley and Dutch; through a time warp/time-travelling story, cryogenia or something.
Put JJ Abrams or Kevin Feige to supervise. Make it a trilogy. Alien, Predator, then Alien vs Predator. Just rebuild. Reboot the franchise. Make Alien and Predator great again.
Quote from: Magegg on Jan 03, 2019, 06:07:18 PM
I hope Disney instantly cancels Alien: Awakening and instantly greenlights/reworks Blomkamp's Ripley's return.
That's exactly what the Alien franchise needs right now: go back mainstream and bring back the old audience by making their most loved hero return. An injection of crowd-pleasing joy, for a change this time.
Also, bring back Schwarzenneger in a new Predator movie.
Probably even a crossover, Ripley and Dutch; through a time warp/time-travelling story, cryogenia or something.
Put JJ Abrams or Kevin Feige to supervise. Make it a trilogy. Alien, Predator, then Alien vs Predator. Just rebuild. Reboot the franchise. Make Alien and Predator great again.
And how would you feel if it was PG-13?
Quote from: David's Creation on Jan 03, 2019, 06:15:32 PMAnd how would you feel if it was PG-13?
I'll be perfectly fine with it. I've always liked these franchises for the sci-fi/thriller/action thing rather than the horror thing.
You can do a lot of things with PG13 anyway; I've read it has more to do with the language than with the violence.
Covenant was a gratuitious gorefest and it didn't please most of the audience anyway. We need a turn to the other side, for a change.
Quote from: Magegg on Jan 03, 2019, 06:07:18 PM
I hope Disney instantly cancels Alien: Awakening and instantly greenlights/reworks Blomkamp's Ripley's return.
That's exactly what the Alien franchise needs right now: go back mainstream and bring back the old audience by making their most loved hero return. An injection of crowd-pleasing joy, for a change this time.
Also, bring back Schwarzenneger in a new Predator movie.
Probably even a crossover, Ripley and Dutch; through a time warp/time-travelling story, cryogenia or something.
Put JJ Abrams or Kevin Feige to supervise. Make it a trilogy. Alien, Predator, then Alien vs Predator. Just rebuild. Reboot the franchise. Make Alien and Predator great again.
You had me right up until you said let's bring Ripley and Dutch together. Come on!!
Bringing back Ripley with some sort of modified version of Blomkamp's film is the way to go. I don't think anyone wants to see Ripley in an alien costume. ::)
I also want Ridley Scott to get the chance to finish his films. Why not? I'm sure they will age well.
But no more AVP. At least not in the near future. It's played out.
Alien is R-Rated. Alien is divisive.
Be it Ridley Scott, James Cameron or David Fincher.
Someone with a vision they're unwilling to compromise on.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:16:38 PM
Time and time again, Disney has shown reluctance to allow that.
Attempting to popularize the series by removing elements that have been present from 1979 is creatively bankrupt, the worst thing they could do.
I'm all for giving the franchise to new filmmakers, Tongal is doing it at the very least.
But bringing back old characters and retconning to do "Aliens but bigger" is a vapid idea, and I'll take Ridley Scott's
attempts at articulating a new idea over that. He just needs a better script to mold his work around.
No, having to include sexual subtext and fears of the foreign makes it an Alien film.
Otherwise as others have said, you might as well make a new Science-Fiction franchise.
The clamouring for inevitable mediocrity continues.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 03, 2019, 07:36:25 PMAlien is R-Rated. Alien is divisive.
It wasn't divisive in the good old days. Everybody loved it.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:16:38 PMTime and time again, Disney has shown reluctance to allow that.
Attempting to popularize the series by removing elements that have been present from 1979 is creatively bankrupt, the worst thing they could do.
Don't think so. At all. For a franchise to survive it needs to experiment with new focuses. Right now, the interest in the franchise is very low, and I'm sure another Ridley Scott movie would lead them to a bankrupt in interest.
I want the ALIEN name to be big again, and resonate with people, make them excited.
The franchise needs to go back to being popular and bringing back the mainstream audience. It needs a big twist and rebranding. I don't think particularly that Covenant was Ridley, I saw it more as a repitition of the old horror Alien style (and full of terrible decisions by the way), didn't impress the audience.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:16:38 PMNo, having to include sexual subtext and fears of the foreign makes it an Alien film.
So, rehashing the same themes yet again?
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 15, 2018, 04:16:38 PMOtherwise as others have said, you might as well make a new Science-Fiction franchise.
Could be, but nowadays new franchises are hard to create. In the other hand, Alien needs a rehabilitation, the perception of the audience about the franchise and its appeal is almost run out.
A nice return to action with more sci-fi interesting ideas, better managed than the big convoluted nonsense Ridley and Lindelof have given up, can really get people to associate the ALIEN brand with good enjoyable stuff.
It simply needs a bump. Something new that surprises people. After a few years, when the brand is rehabilitated to generate interest once more, you can go back to the roots, with the R-Rating and horror/sexual themes. And with better producers-writers for God's sake, not Ridley Scott/Lindelof or the Covenant guys >__<
The problem with making something "new and different" is you end up inevitably alienating (For lack of a better word) your original audience, the fans because its vastly different than what they grew to love and enjoy. Sure you might gain a smaller new audience but you can't really take Alien and turn it into a big budget blockbuster sadly. I just don't believe it would work in todays market.
I do agree that Scott needs to go. He's slowly turned into Lucas with this and it's sad.
But judging by the numbers, Covenant, whose purpose was to gain back the "original Alien fans" made less money than Prometheus, that actually did something to introduce new themes not seen in Alien.
You can't keep repeating the same again and again because the audience loses interest. That's just no business.
Take a look at the Star Trek 2009 reboot. It revitalized the brand and brought a new audience, broadened its appeal. It didn't do that well in theaters after that, but it led to diversification.
Thanks to the money and attention gained 2009 reboot, the fans of the original now can enjoy a more loyal CBS series, with high production values.
I think Alien (and Predator) have a tremendous potential to become big franchises again, that can make a lot more people interested, pleased and excited, if we let them grow in a different direction, at least for a while. It's for the health of the brand. Then give it a few years and you can go back to make new entries in the old style, to please the original fans without that much of a risk of ending in complete bankrupt; because let's face it, Ridley's "original spirit" movies were running the series to the ground.
The longest running successful sci-fi franchise must be the Godzilla right? Universal's monsters are horror, not sci-fi. Sure King Kong was the from the 1930s beating Godzilla by 20+ Years , but Godzilla is on it's 36th film. It's quite amazing how that franchise has endured.
I'd agree with that. Godzilla has had some crazy stuff happen in that franchise. It's kinda hopped all over the place and evolved over time. There's a little something in that franchise for everyone.
But this does all come down to the fact on whether when they purchase Fox, will they keep it as a separate entity like Marvel in many respects to release the R-rated projects. Like Miramax used to do before that split off and became Dimension or The Weinstein Company or whichever
Quote from: Magegg on Jan 03, 2019, 10:16:16 PM
But judging by the numbers, Covenant, whose purpose was to gain back the "original Alien fans" made less money than Prometheus, that actually did something to introduce new themes not seen in Alien.
I think Alien (and Predator) have a tremendous potential to become big franchises again, that can make a lot more people interested, pleased and excited, if we let them grow in a different direction, at least for a while. It's for the health of the brand. Then give it a few years and you can go back to make new entries in the old style, to please the original fans without that much of a risk of ending in complete bankrupt; because let's face it, Ridley's "original spirit" movies were running the series to the ground.
That's because the idea of
Prometheus we/I got in
2010/11 is fantastic.
"Ridley Scott returns to Alien
but this time it's really about the
Space Jockey?
Del Toro's Mountains Of Madness
got canned because it was too similar?
Inferring Prometheus is going to have some
Cthulhu shit in the Alien universe?
Sign me the f**k up!"
But once you saw the execution...
Covenant > Prometheus
Prometheus didn't introduce new themes
so much as it was so unsure
of what it wanted to be,
that it was full of mystery boxes
that ultimately meant nothing.
Covenant knows what it is.
& Covenant certainly introduces
new themes for the franchise,
Ahem;
https://yutani.studio/a-l-i-e-n/alien-covenant-analysis/
It's an Alien film in the style
of a Gothic Horror, full of romanticism.
The writing is the problem,
not the general content.
Quote from: Magegg on Jan 03, 2019, 10:16:16 PM
Take a look at the Star Trek 2009 reboot.
It revitalized the brand and brought a new audience, broadened its appeal.
It didn't do that well in theaters after that, but it led to diversification.
Thanks to the money and attention gained 2009 reboot,
the fans of the original now can enjoy a more loyal CBS series, with high production values.
Ahahaha.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 03, 2019, 07:14:01 PM
Bringing back Ripley with some sort of modified version of Blomkamp's film is the way to go.
For really real?
I say rip the band-aid off, retcon Alien 3, and bring Sigourney and Michael back in a supporting role and make the future films about Newt, starring some up & coming Jennifer Lawrence type, and sign her cheap to a long term deal.
It may piss off us hardcore fans, but it will give the franchise the best chance to thrive into the future imo. Plus, if they are good movies, I suspect we hardcore fans will quickly get over the Alien 3 retcon.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 04, 2019, 11:50:45 PM
I say rip the band-aid off, retcon Alien 3, and bring Sigourney and Michael back in a supporting role and
make the future films about Newt, starring some up & coming Jennifer Lawrence type, and sign her cheap to a long term deal.
:o
So turn the series intro lineage "passing the torch"
focused garbage like a dozen other series?
(https://i.giphy.com/media/EiCQzmzE5HLaw/giphy.webp)
Yeah, no thanks! Better dead than that!
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 04, 2019, 11:54:12 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 04, 2019, 11:50:45 PM
I say rip the band-aid off, retcon Alien 3, and bring Sigourney and Michael back in a supporting role and
make the future films about Newt, starring some up & coming Jennifer Lawrence type, and sign her cheap to a long term deal.
:o
So turn the series intro lineage "passing the torch"
focused garbage like a dozen other series?
https://i.giphy.com/media/EiCQzmzE5HLaw/giphy.webp
Better to die that to live and lose your identity.
That's quite a case of the pukies you got there!
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jan 05, 2019, 12:53:51 AM
Yeah, no thanks! Better dead than that!
Umm...glad you're not overreacting?? :P
The discussion's gone on over and over at this point for so long;
that it actually has me in the headspace of wondering,
when the inevitable comes and Sigourney Weaver
passes away will this discussion end?
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 01:06:42 AM
The discussion's gone on over and over at this point for so long;
that it actually has me in the headspace of wondering,
when the inevitable comes and Sigourney Weaver
passes away will this discussion end?
There will be calls for digital resurrection.
Or at least the character to return with another actor.
It's going to have to be done, and fail miserably, in order to
put the idea to rest for good.
I doubt that. Resurrection exists.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 01:36:06 AM
I doubt that. Resurrection exists.
I mean to digitally resurrect her likeness. I know I know. ;D
Well they did a good job with recreating Arnold. 8)
Hey, spew chunks all ya like. The new Halloween sold me that this could work wonderfully. And it just so happened to result in the best Halloween movie since the original.
Wasn't there an Covenant interview where someone asked Ridley about putting Ripley in another film and making her look younger using cgi?
I wouldn't put it past them. They kinda did the same thing with Carrie Fisher (may she rest in peace) in Rogue One.
As many have pointed out before now, financially
making an Alien film and a Halloween film-
and thus their financial success:
Aren't in the same ballpark.
Quote from: Badwolf-00 on Jan 05, 2019, 05:39:38 AM
Wasn't there an Covenant interview where someone asked Ridley about putting Ripley in another film and making her look younger using cgi?
I wouldn't put it past them. They kinda did the same thing with Carrie Fisher (may she rest in peace) in Rogue One.
I think that was during the Influencer round-table prior to the Covenant premiere. I think Louis Nostromo asked the question. The CGI replacement technique is certainly getting better and better but it's not quite there yet.
I'm still hoping for a soft reboot.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 09:52:15 AM
As many have pointed out before now, financially
making an Alien film and a Halloween film-
and thus their financial success:
Aren't in the same ballpark.
(https://drinksanddrinking.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/pulp-fiction-0431.jpg?w=450&h=290)
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 09:52:15 AM
As many have pointed out before now, financially
making an Alien film and a Halloween film-
and thus their financial success:
Aren't in the same ballpark.
Yeah, movies aren't shown in ballparks. They're shown in cinemas.
Wow, what would you all do without me? ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 04, 2019, 10:16:41 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 03, 2019, 07:14:01 PM
Bringing back Ripley with some sort of modified version of Blomkamp's film is the way to go.
For really real?
Oh yes! Even more really real than real! It's what many hardcore fans want.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 04, 2019, 11:50:45 PM
I say rip the band-aid off, retcon Alien 3, and bring Sigourney and Michael back in a supporting role and make the future films about Newt, starring some up & coming Jennifer Lawrence type, and sign her cheap to a long term deal.
It may piss off us hardcore fans, but it will give the franchise the best chance to thrive into the future imo. Plus, if they are good movies, I suspect we hardcore fans will quickly get over the Alien 3 retcon.
There you go! That's the spirit! Well said Voodo Magic.
Though I suspect most hardcore fans would be totally on board to retcon Alien 3. It's really just a few people on here who make a lot of noise defending Alien 3, but I am pretty sure there is a silent majority out there who would agree that the series went off the rails with Alien 3.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 04, 2019, 11:54:12 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 04, 2019, 11:50:45 PM
I say rip the band-aid off, retcon Alien 3, and bring Sigourney and Michael back in a supporting role and
make the future films about Newt, starring some up & coming Jennifer Lawrence type, and sign her cheap to a long term deal.
:o
So turn the series intro lineage "passing the torch"
focused garbage like a dozen other series?
https://i.giphy.com/media/EiCQzmzE5HLaw/giphy.webp
It doesn't necessarily have to be about passing the torch, but that's not the issue here. The issue is that you think the series is about the creatures first and foremost, and not about the characters. The creatures are animals! Exotic, yes but only animals. The audience is mostly invested in the struggle of the characters who are facing the creatures and they want to know their story. That doesn't make the audience stupid. They are simply NORMAL PEOPLE.
Me personally, I'm not up for a passing of the torch which results in ongoing Newt tales. I just want a better story told with the characters that many people including myself are invested in, and that will transition better into the next phase. Currently, everything in the timeline starting with Alien 3 is just not satisfactory. I would be totally up for a David / Ripley confrontation if done well.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want only films with the core characters. But I want some. Alien : Cold Forge as a film is something I very much desire also.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 01:17:45 PM]
There you go! That's the spirit! Well said Voodo Magic.
I feel like I deserve a cookie. ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 05, 2019, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 01:17:45 PM]
There you go! That's the spirit! Well said Voodo Magic.
I feel like I deserve a cookie. ;D
You deserve the whole chocolate factory bro! Alien 3 retconners unite!!
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jan 05, 2019, 12:53:51 AM
Yeah, no thanks! Better dead than that!
If you're referring to the characters in the movie then that's your valid opinion. If you're referring to yourself, then please go outside, get some fresh air, enjoy the sunshine, then go seek help.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 01:06:42 AM
The discussion's gone on over and over at this point for so long;
that it actually has me in the headspace of wondering,
when the inevitable comes and Sigourney Weaver
passes away will this discussion end?
If that sad day should come, will you feel proud of yourself for assisting in the prevention effort of us getting one more great Aliens film with Ripley? Look in the mirror on that day and say Well Done!!
::)
You can have a great aliens film without Ripley and at this point its time we had one.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
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You can have a great aliens film without Ripley and at this point its time we had one.
Yes. You can have a great film without Ripley. We've had 4 Alien related films since 1992 without Ripley, or 5 if you count Alien Resurrection. So what are you even talking about? It's time we had an Alien film with Ripley. More specifically, post-Aliens, and featuring Hicks Newt and some Bishop parts.
I'm up for Ripley and non-Ripley films. There is room for both, and I believe both can be done well. The problem with ALL non-Ripley Aliens films is that someone is brought in to play the trope of a female protagonist. ::) It drives me bananas! If they're going to bring in another female protagonist, give us the real thing - Ripley!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
::)
You can have a great aliens film without Ripley and at this point its time we had one.
True, but you need to generate audience excitement to go see another Alien film. And I do believe, if Ridley continued with another Alien sequel after Covenant with new cast members, it would continue on a downards trajectory, box-office performance wise. Goodwill has eroded fast.
So as things stand, to bring back audience goodwill, you remind them of a time when Alien was great with the return of Ripley and Hicks, it creates a tremendous buzz, but then you continue on with new compelling main characters. Their child. Newt. Or someone else entirely. Like what the new Star Wars trilogy did, but this time, with good writing, good direction and good actors. :P
If this ends up working with Linda Hamilton and Terminator as well as it did with Halloween, I think this chances of Alien following this path will be very likely.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
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You can have a great aliens film without Ripley and at this point its time we had one.
Yes. You can have a great film without Ripley. We've had 4 Alien related films since 1992 without Ripley, or 5 if you count Alien Resurrection. So what are you even talking about? It's time we had an Alien film with Ripley. More specifically, post-Aliens, and featuring Hicks Newt and some Bishop parts.
I'm up for Ripley and non-Ripley films. There is room for both, and I believe both can be done well. The problem with ALL non-Ripley Aliens films is that someone is brought in to play the trope of a female protagonist. ::) It drives me bananas! If they're going to bring in another female protagonist, give us the real thing - Ripley!
But how would you built a story around Ripley\Newt\Bishop without making them into hyper competent guerrilla fighters who fight a private war against WY/Xenomorphs? I think it would turn them from everyday normal people into some kind of action hero. Which is a sharp turn from what made them great to begin with.
You would go from ordinary people stuck in a bad situation to Die Hard 23 territory, where the same extraordinary situation happens to the same people over and over again.
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
::)
You can have a great aliens film without Ripley and at this point its time we had one.
Yes. You can have a great film without Ripley. We've had 4 Alien related films since 1992 without Ripley, or 5 if you count Alien Resurrection. So what are you even talking about? It's time we had an Alien film with Ripley. More specifically, post-Aliens, and featuring Hicks Newt and some Bishop parts.
I'm up for Ripley and non-Ripley films. There is room for both, and I believe both can be done well. The problem with ALL non-Ripley Aliens films is that someone is brought in to play the trope of a female protagonist. ::) It drives me bananas! If they're going to bring in another female protagonist, give us the real thing - Ripley!
But how would you built a story around Ripley\Newt\Bishop without making them into hyper competent guerrilla fighters who fight a private war against WY/Xenomorphs? I think it would turn them from everyday normal people into some kind of action hero. Which is a sharp turn from what made them great to begin with.
You would go from ordinary people stuck in a bad situation to Die Hard 23 territory, where the same extraordinary situation happens to the same people over and over again.
There are certain life situations which define who you become. In the case of Ripley and friends, it would be almost certain that they would SEEK a confrontation with the Aliens knowing WY's motivations, whereas with Die Hard, Bruce Willis's character continues to CHANCE upon disaster. That's where the difference lies. Die Hard is implausible, bordering on comedy, whereas another encounter for Ripley is highly probable.
Moreover, if Alien 3 is retconned, it will only be Ripley's third encounter not the 23rd.
Hicks is already an action hero. Ripley could be a reluctant hero. Perhaps she's been on the run from W-Y all these years and Hicks finds her to tell her that he needs help in dealing with some W-Y madness? Or in the hands of a competent director, Ripley could go the route of Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2. Sarah Connor was a vastly different character between James Cameron's two Terminator films, and yet compelling.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 03:51:55 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jan 05, 2019, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
::)
You can have a great aliens film without Ripley and at this point its time we had one.
Yes. You can have a great film without Ripley. We've had 4 Alien related films since 1992 without Ripley, or 5 if you count Alien Resurrection. So what are you even talking about? It's time we had an Alien film with Ripley. More specifically, post-Aliens, and featuring Hicks Newt and some Bishop parts.
I'm up for Ripley and non-Ripley films. There is room for both, and I believe both can be done well. The problem with ALL non-Ripley Aliens films is that someone is brought in to play the trope of a female protagonist. ::) It drives me bananas! If they're going to bring in another female protagonist, give us the real thing - Ripley!
But how would you built a story around Ripley\Newt\Bishop without making them into hyper competent guerrilla fighters who fight a private war against WY/Xenomorphs? I think it would turn them from everyday normal people into some kind of action hero. Which is a sharp turn from what made them great to begin with.
You would go from ordinary people stuck in a bad situation to Die Hard 23 territory, where the same extraordinary situation happens to the same people over and over again.
There are certain life situations which define who you become. In the case of Ripley and friends, it would be almost certain that they would SEEK a confrontation with the Aliens knowing WY's motivations, whereas with Die Hard, Bruce Willis's character continues to CHANCE upon disaster. That's where the difference lies. Die Hard is implausible, bordering on comedy, whereas another encounter for Ripley is highly probable.
Moreover, if Alien 3 is retconned, it will only be Ripley's third encounter not the 23rd.
Hicks is already an action hero. Ripley could be a reluctant hero. Perhaps she's been on the run from W-Y all these years and Hicks finds her to tell her that he needs help in dealing with some W-Y madness? Or in the hands of a competent director, Ripley could go the route of Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2. Sarah Connor was a vastly different character between James Cameron's two Terminator films, and yet compelling.
I think it would be the opposite. Ripley would not get Newt in danger to wage a privat war against a overwhelmingly influential corporation. She would not risk leaving her surrogate daughter alone while she is dead or in jail.
Hicks was a competent soldier but hardly a Jason Bourne. There is just a limit to what two people and a child can believable accomplish without losing it's ground in realism. Even in T2 all they tried to accomplish was assassinating one engineer and destroy one more or less civilian lab.
The Kurgan, you are right that anything could be done badly. But with that attitude, why bother waking up in the morning?
Ripley doesn't have to drag Newt into anything. What if a Ripley finds out that Newt went off on her own on a crusade of some sort? Would Ripley not react?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 04:31:28 PM
The Kurgan, you are right that anything could be done badly. But with that attitude, why bother waking up in the morning?
Ripley doesn't have to drag Newt into anything. What if a Ripley finds out that Newt went off on her own on a crusade of some sort? Would Ripley not react?
I mean, if Newt did survive and was traumatized about the events of Hadley's Hope, managed to get through but still struggle with her PTSD, it does sound like something she might do. Though we have an actual comic with similar basis.
I mean... I kinda wanted to see Newt grow up, go postal on some Aliens and WY for revenge. :D
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 04:31:28 PM
The Kurgan, you are right that anything could be done badly. But with that attitude, why bother waking up in the morning?
Ripley doesn't have to drag Newt into anything. What if a Ripley finds out that Newt went off on her own on a crusade of some sort? Would Ripley not react?
Iam not saying you could not work of the basic idea and make a enjoyable movie out of it. I just feel you could achieve more going for a different route.
It's all personal preference of course.
She would. That would be an angle that could work. Maybe have Newt traumatized after LV-426, unable to find her place in the world and go from there. But still, i think pulling it off with Newt/Ellen/Hicks the right way is harder than just make a good movie with all new characters. Maybe even without WY.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jan 05, 2019, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 04:31:28 PM
The Kurgan, you are right that anything could be done badly. But with that attitude, why bother waking up in the morning?
Ripley doesn't have to drag Newt into anything. What if a Ripley finds out that Newt went off on her own on a crusade of some sort? Would Ripley not react?
Iam not saying you could not work of the basic idea and make a enjoyable movie out of it. I just feel you could achieve more going for a different route.
It's all personal preference of course.
She would. That would be an angle that could work. Maybe have Newt traumatized after LV-426, unable to find her place in the world and go from there. But still, i think pulling it off with Newt/Ellen/Hicks the right way is harder than just make a good movie with all new characters. Maybe even without WY.
I mostly agree with you. And of course it is all personal preference. There's a reason why the original Aliens comics were so successful. People were totally invested in Newt's character. It made sense then, and it still makes sense.
The area where we disagree is sort of splitting hairs. You would prefer to have an all new film with new characters. I would prefer to have both. Having a Ripley - Hicks-Newt film does not negate the need for a film without those characters. I would be super stoked for both. The only reason to do the Ripley film first is due to the merciless hands of time. The clock is ticking. Actors are getting older. Windows of opportunity are slowly closing.
Quote from: Badwolf-00 on Jan 05, 2019, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 04:31:28 PM
The Kurgan, you are right that anything could be done badly. But with that attitude, why bother waking up in the morning?
Ripley doesn't have to drag Newt into anything. What if a Ripley finds out that Newt went off on her own on a crusade of some sort? Would Ripley not react?
I mean, if Newt did survive and was traumatized about the events of Hadley's Hope, managed to get through but still struggle with her PTSD, it does sound like something she might do. Though we have an actual comic with similar basis.
I mean... I kinda wanted to see Newt grow up, go postal on some Aliens and WY for revenge. :D
High-5 Badwolf-00!! ;)
The great thing about bringing in Sigourney Weaver and friends for another Aliens film, is that it has the potential for the public to look at the series in a fresh new way. It justifies a higher budget. If such a film is successful, which it would have a high probability, then the budget for an upcoming non-Ripley film could potentially be much higher. As it stands, one can only imagine that Ridley Scott's next film would probably be done on a vastly diminished budget.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 01:06:42 AM
The discussion's gone on over and over at this point for so long;
that it actually has me in the headspace of wondering,
when the inevitable comes and Sigourney Weaver
passes away will this discussion end?
If that sad day should come,
will you feel proud of yourself for assisting in the prevention effort of us getting one more great Aliens film with Ripley?
Look in the mirror on that day and say Well Done!
I'd be happy Alien³ wasn't retconned out of continuity for some family friendly trite.
But sad Sigourney Weaver had to die to make it a certainty it'll never happen.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 01:06:42 AM
The discussion's gone on over and over at this point for so long;
that it actually has me in the headspace of wondering,
when the inevitable comes and Sigourney Weaver
passes away will this discussion end?
If that sad day should come,
will you feel proud of yourself for assisting in the prevention effort of us getting one more great Aliens film with Ripley?
Look in the mirror on that day and say Well Done!
I'd be happy Alien³ wasn't retconned out of continuity for some family friendly trite.
But sad Sigourney Weaver had to die to make it a certainty it'll never happen.
Wow. The Cold One.
IIRC, somewhere in the EU or unfilmed A:3 scripts, Bishop was revealed to be a super-combat badass, standing on the hull of a ship in the vacuum of space zapping xenos left and right.. I expect someone here who is plugged into all taht a lot more deeply than I am will remember.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2019, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 01:06:42 AM
The discussion's gone on over and over at this point for so long;
that it actually has me in the headspace of wondering,
when the inevitable comes and Sigourney Weaver
passes away will this discussion end?
If that sad day should come,
will you feel proud of yourself for assisting in the prevention effort of us getting one more great Aliens film with Ripley?
Look in the mirror on that day and say Well Done!
I'd be happy Alien³ wasn't retconned out of continuity for some family friendly trite.
But sad Sigourney Weaver had to die to make it a certainty it'll never happen.
Wow. The Cold One.
Ha, that's quite clever. Hopefully she can laugh about it. :D
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jan 05, 2019, 07:15:54 PM
IIRC, somewhere in the EU or unfilmed A:3 scripts, Bishop was revealed to be a super-combat badass, standing on the hull of a ship in the vacuum of space zapping xenos left and right.. I expect someone here who is plugged into all taht a lot more deeply than I am will remember.
That'd be Gibson's first Alien 3 draft IIRC.
I like the idea of seeing what a Synthetic can do when forced to be combative,
(ISOLATION, Samuels)
or one designed for such a purpose.
What I like less is the idea of retroactively making Bishop OP.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 05, 2019, 07:35:12 PM
I like the idea of seeing what a Synthetic can do when forced to be combative,
(ISOLATION, Samuels)
or one designed for such a purpose.
What I like less is the idea of retroactively making Bishop OP.
I can agree with this. Bishop was cool in his own way. If they make an Android go full Rambo, let it be a different character.
Personally... as out there as this sounds... I'd love to see Jeri on the big screen. Jeri was my favorite synth from the comics.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2019, 07:33:18 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jan 05, 2019, 07:15:54 PM
IIRC, somewhere in the EU or unfilmed A:3 scripts, Bishop was revealed to be a super-combat badass, standing on the hull of a ship in the vacuum of space zapping xenos left and right.. I expect someone here who is plugged into all taht a lot more deeply than I am will remember.
That'd be Gibson's first Alien 3 draft IIRC.
Thanks, Hicks :)
Of course, Ripley and Newt are dead (we all know that), but in other circumstances I'd have been happy at this stage of the game to have Ripley show up in a cameo. It wouldn't even have to be as large a role as Harrison Ford's in Blade Runner 2049 -- her appearance could be as brief as Eddie James Olmos' cameo in BR. Maybe I'm really talking about a cameo by Ripley8.
Quote from: Badwolf-00 on Jan 05, 2019, 07:38:08 PM
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Personally... as out there as this sounds... I'd love to see Jeri on the big screen. Jeri was my favorite synth from the comics.
Me too. But he'd fit into a sort of Alien:Res style of dark humour. Most fans didn't like that.
But he's an intriguing character. Android technology has apparently come so far, why should they all look human? Lot's of possibilities there, although there's always the danger (as in Ridley Scott's latest forays) that android business will overshadow Alien stuff.
TC
The concept of Ripley 8 was so far fetched, I don't even know if you could continue in that direction and make any sense.
Even though I enjoy AR, it still seems like more of an EU experience, than a serious entry in the series. Ripley died, on film, and that's that.
Quote from: TC on Jan 06, 2019, 02:14:31 AM
Of course, Ripley and Newt are dead (we all know that), but in other circumstances I'd have been happy at this stage of the game to have Ripley show up in a cameo. It wouldn't even have to be as large a role as Harrison Ford's in Blade Runner 2049 -- her appearance could be as brief as Eddie James Olmos' cameo in BR. Maybe I'm really talking about a cameo by Ripley8.
Quote from: Badwolf-00 on Jan 05, 2019, 07:38:08 PM
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Personally... as out there as this sounds... I'd love to see Jeri on the big screen. Jeri was my favorite synth from the comics.
Me too. But he'd fit into a sort of Alien:Res style of dark humour. Most fans didn't like that.
But he's an intriguing character. Android technology has apparently come so far, why should they all look human? Lot's of possibilities there, although there's always the danger (as in Ridley Scott's latest forays) that android business will overshadow Alien stuff.
TC
Why should androids look human? Because the root word is andro, which is Greek for man. Maybe a female robot that is in the shape of a woman should be a gynoid? Andro is similar to anthro, but anthro means human. So if a robot is in the shape of a human but appears to have no gender characteristics, maybe it should be an anthroid?
Bottom line is, robots can take any shape, but androids are in the shape of man.
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 06, 2019, 02:22:23 AM
The concept of Ripley 8 was so far fetched, I don't even know if you could continue in that direction and make any sense.
Even though I enjoy AR, it still seems like more of an EU experience, than a serious entry in the series. Ripley died, on film, and that's that.
Nobody wants to continue from Alien: Resurrection. So if you can retcon one film, any other film is fair game. Alien 3 is a natural for an alternate time line, because that is when most people clearly saw the franchise go in an unpopular direction.
Mind you I enjoy watching Alien 3 and Resurrection just the same. And I will enjoy them long after they are retconned. They can be great alternate stories.
I think all androids should look like Jennifer Connelly, dance like Jamie Lee Curtis, and sound like Catherine Zeta Jones.
Just to be safe.
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 06, 2019, 02:33:08 AM
I think all androids should look like Jennifer Connelly, dance like Jamie Lee Curtis, and sound like Catherine Zeta Jones.
Just to be safe.
No no no... we were just told:
Jennifer Connelly, Jamie Lee Curtis, Catherine Zeta Jones =
Gynoids
Jeri = Xenoid
TC
Curiously, the word robot comes from Czech. (Polish is the same, and probably many other Slavic languages). It means to work. A "Robotnik" is a worker. Robota in polish is a work task. So a robot is a device for doing work.
Quote from: TC on Jan 06, 2019, 02:38:11 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 06, 2019, 02:33:08 AM
I think all androids should look like Jennifer Connelly, dance like Jamie Lee Curtis, and sound like Catherine Zeta Jones.
Just to be safe.
No no no... we were just told:
Jennifer Connelly, Jamie Lee Curtis, Catherine Zeta Jones = Gynoids
Jeri = Xenoid
TC
So that's a no to Jenny Lee Jones then?
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 06, 2019, 02:50:46 AM
So that's a no to Jenny Lee Jones then?
Jenny prefers the term 'artificial person,' herself.
TC
Quote from: TC on Jan 06, 2019, 02:59:27 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 06, 2019, 02:50:46 AM
So that's a no to Jenny Lee Jones then?
Jenny prefers the term 'artificial person,' herself.
TC
I don't want to see Alien 3 retconned, it's a powerful if flawed film but it's earned its place in the mythos. New stories with new characters and creatures/planets, please.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 10, 2019, 05:43:17 AM
I don't want to see Alien 3 retconned, it's a powerful if flawed film but it's earned its place in the mythos. New stories with new characters and creatures/planets, please.
A few years ago, I would've argued you down for this line of thinking... that said. I would like to see new stories, characters, worlds etc. too.
Growing older makes you more humble in some instances
Just think it doesn't need to be any messier, though I like the prequels. 3 was a great end to Ripley's arc and a perfect counterpoint to David.
http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/disney-continue-produce-r-rated-fox-properties-says-ceo-bob-iger (http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/disney-continue-produce-r-rated-fox-properties-says-ceo-bob-iger)
Well this is encouraging.
Well, that's something. Glad to hear.
Not a surprise, but glad to hear confirmation at last.
Makes sense if they want to go head to head with Netflix.
Anyone surprised? Disney wants $$$...
Pleasant news.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Feb 06, 2019, 10:26:59 AM
Anyone surprised? Disney wants $$$...
I daresay some of the multitude of people who said 'Alien is ded, Disney don make R rated movie' might be a bit surprised.
Excellent.
Its a start lol
I honestly thought this was never in any doubt. ???
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 06, 2019, 09:56:39 AM
Makes sense if they want to go head to head with Netflix.
As far as I understand, Disney is cutting ties with Netflix. Plus they will own Hulu.
Why would they keep Hulu around if they have their own streaming service upcoming?
Maybe Disney wants to expand to "non-family-friendly" territory now that they merged with Fox.
It only makes sense to start aiming to different audiences with more variety if they want to compete with Netflix.
I'd wager they rebrand Hulu and merge. I have a feeling Disney's streaming service will be branched into two tiers, one being for adults without the Disney monicker, but both offered as a package to consumers. Will it still be called "Hulu" remains to be seen.
Could the PG-13 "Once Upon a Deadpool" been a clever way for Disney to test the waters for making a R-rated franchises PG-13?
It failed so that explains the backpeddling of keeping acquired Disney properties rated R.
I am worried of the mentioning of offloading ALIEN/PREDATOR/AVP to streaming services with low budgets, crap CGI and dodgy make-up.
Ridley Scott hates Disney, so don't count on him finishing his "David arc".
Blomkamp has dropped ALIEN 5 working on smaller projects
The PREDATOR- bombed
As for the almost mooted AVP3 (via now deleted and reshot scenes in THE PREDATOR) they went with IRON MAN.
Can't see it happening but my suggestion is AVP3.
Sorry to spam the forum that is all I've got.
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Feb 06, 2019, 03:50:33 PM
Ridley Scott hates Disney, so don't count on him finishing his "David arc".
Blomkamp has dropped ALIEN 5 working on smaller projects
The PREDATOR- bombed
He's making Merlin for Disney.
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 06, 2019, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Feb 06, 2019, 03:50:33 PM
Ridley Scott hates Disney, so don't count on him finishing his "David arc".
Blomkamp has dropped ALIEN 5 working on smaller projects
The PREDATOR- bombed
He's making Merlin for Disney.
He was..................back in January 2018.
Nothing on IMDB and nothing for 2019.
Ridley Scott has done a lot of producing and executive producer roles, but no Directorials since- All the Money in the World January 2018.
My comment was based on him saying he disliked Disney for "putting ALIEN on display in a glass cabinet" in Disneyland with his "the beast is cooked" comment.
Whatever the future holds, what do we have to lose?
It's not like Fox was hitting homerun after homerun the last 30 years considering Alien/Predator/AVP.
Maybe whatever change awaits is exactly what the franchise needs.
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Feb 06, 2019, 05:25:38 PM
Nothing on IMDB and nothing for 2019.
IMDb isn't always reliable, but:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1935916/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1935916/)
I bet it gets the tv series treatment. Which i like but also hate...lol
However i am very worried they will go the PG-13 route with the Alien series.
As long as the story is actually good (unlike Covenant) I don't mind a PG-13 rating for the next Alien film.
The story is what matters the most.
Maybe they can release an "unrated cut" later.
A luciferian, psychosexual android ascending to God-hood conducting perverse feats of creation is a pretty damn good story if you ask me. :laugh: ;D
Anyway, I don't think Ridley finding the alien's inclusion at Disneyland distasteful necessarily means he "hates" Disney :laugh: Recent interviews indicate that he's hoping there's still a place for him there after the merger is complete, and that they're "crazy" not to keep making more. He loves working, if they want him to keep going he'll do it.
A series inherently about about cosmic and corporate rape?
Hard to imagine a PG-13 version of that as anything other
than the most watered down, lowest common denominator appealing fare.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 06, 2019, 06:33:38 PMA luciferian, psychosexual android ascending to God-hood conducting perverse feats of creation is a pretty damn good story if you ask me. :laugh: ;D
It's a good idea for a story, but with a bad execution.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 06:36:18 PMA series inherently about about cosmic and corporate rape?
Hard to imagine a PG-13 version of that as anything other
than the most watered down, lowest common denominator appealing fare.
Metaphorical/allegorical rape. Also, not always. Not every being attacked by the xeno is a metaphor for a rape victim.
And I wouldn't mind it taking a new spin, as long as it's interesting.
The execution was juicy for me. ;D *plays Wagner*
No, physical rape and allegorical.
It forcibly renders the host comatose, then rapes them to produce their offspring.
It's not an ancillary element of the Alien, it's at the core of what they do.
Never even mind the obvious sexual connotations of their design.
And corporate, it's a rather obvious big part of the series the secondary villain
made out of apathy towards their employee' suffering- not direct aggression.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 06:51:28 PMIt forcibly renders the host comatose, then rapes them to produce their offspring.
If it was rape, Kane would have been traumatized after his encounter with the xeno. He wasn't, he was completely ok until his chest bursted.
It wasn't rape, it was infection.
The xeno attack is often a rape allegory, but not always.
Rape victims do not always suffer trauma, or immediate trauma.
But sex, without consent is rape regardless.
What the Alien does is ram a phallus down your throat whilst strangling you and then forcing you to give birth,
that's a rape. One Kane doesn't remember, like many, many date-rape victims.
^ Kane was arguably repressing the whole facehugger event which can be a form of coping with trauma.
But it seems Disney will keep the R-rating anyway, so all seems well. At least in that regard.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 06:55:46 PMRape victims do not always suffer trauma, or immediate trauma.
So, why is it a rape, then?
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 06:55:46 PMBut sex, without consent is rape regardless.
Only if you insist in seeing the xeno's implantation as an act of rape...
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 06:55:46 PMWhat the Alien does is ram a phallus down your throat whilst strangling you and then forcing you to give birth,
And wasps implants you with your sting to put your eggs on you. Is being stung by a wasp a rape? Don't think so.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 06:55:46 PMthat's a rape. One Kane doesn't remember, like many, many date-rape victims.
Then rape is something that is a symbol of rape even if it doesn't have many psychological consequences. Like, you know, rape has.
Alien 3's Ripley is a rape victim. Kane is not. Most of the xenos (who, you know, are actually killed by the adult xeno, not by a cherstburster implantation) are not rape victims.
Alien's never been
always about rape. We can move on from that part and see what more possibilities the Alien has in storytelling. It's been proven in novels, comic books and that.
I don't even think future Alien movies need the 'cherstbuster moment'. It was surprising in the first movie (victims got a tube inserted in their mouths for the future shock moment, as it won't leave any wound and be unexpected), but it's run its course.
So much it became really forced in Alien Resurrection and they have to come up with the Backburster gimmick in order to try to shock again (spoilers: it didn't work).
You can have a grown xeno in the next movie, or simply incubators exploding, like in that badass background of AVP arcade.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 06, 2019, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 06:55:46 PMRape victims do not always suffer trauma, or immediate trauma.
So, why is it a rape, then?
I don't need to go any farther that this;
Are you f**king for real?
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:05:24 PMI don't need to go any farther that this; Are you f**king for real?
I get that the facehugger thing is sometimes used to -
sometimes- present big allegories about rape, but the Alien series is much more than that. Not everything is about rape in the Alien series.
Weird creatures implanting larvae doesn't have to be necessarily R rated because "it could be seen as rape". Most people don't even get the message. There are tons of other movies, series, tv shows and so, like the X-Men comics, where creatures with similar reproduction methods exist and they're gross but perfectly PG-rated.
It performs a sex act without consent therefore- rape, I don't get what you don't understand about that.
For the xeno AND it's prey it's not a sex act. Not in the "human-to-human" connotation sex has, which is always controversial for American Westerners at least.
It's a reproduction act.
But again, the series doesn't entirely revolve around the connotations of that supposed "sex act".
No, it is. If a woman uses an object on another woman for instance in a nonconsensual "sexual" manner, it's regardless; rape.
So, when I catch fungus in my foot is the fungus raping me because it's using me to reproduce? ::)
Facehugger is not and never the same as rape. Not the same level of violence. If the monster attacked you in the genitals and its only way of killing was the face-hugging reproducting, maybe you could have a better point that the Alien series is all about rape.
But nope. The main villain in the movies is the adult version of the Alien. And sometimes, the queen, who doesn't rape at all. Aliens and Resurrection have a much much much more prominent motherhood theme than a rape theme. Alien and Alien 3 have a rape theme and abortion theme if you could say. And don't get me started with Prometheus and Covenant.
Even Alien is mostly a regular slasher movie formula, it doesn't even explore rape as the "raped" being doesn't suffer psychological consequences and is killed in 3 minutes or so.
But even with that, all the movies have a lot more about that supposed "rape" theme.
Future Alien movies can perfectly be PG-13 rated and still have interesting and fascinating storyline without that 'rape focus' you all seem to be married with.
Ok guys please chill. Don't take it any further.
(and by the way, the Alien's life cycle has always, obviously been a metaphor for sexual violation or rape as spoken by the creators themselves; this hasn't forbid filmmakers to create a PG-13 AvP film with that notion, which of course would go over a teen's head, but was indeed thematically restrained)
Things are getting off topic, anyone can have their own vision/interpretation of the movies and the creatures.
Well I hope that with Disney, the next movies somehow go into a different direction.
I hope we get SOMETHING to close the gap between Covenant and Alien, even if it's just a comic or something.
As for where else to take the franchise, I just hope they don't remake or retcon any movies. Set it after Resurrection, in the "safe zone" where there's less to screw up.
No. I already specified, the seeking of reproduction doesn't equate to rape.
Rape's a sex act, specifically an act of being restrained and forced to partake in a sex act.
The "Fungus" isn't forcing a phallus object down your throat nonconsensually.
That makes it rape, without even including the part where it forces you to bear it's offspring.
All the "Aliens" in all ALIEN® media can not exist without the presence of said rape.
The creature is from head to toe, sexualized with a large phallus head- with a smaller phallus
mouth emerging from it's mouth (teeth abound) which it uses to penetrate it's victims, or a tail
which it also uses to penetrate it's victims (between the legs, where our sex organs are).
Your argument is exactly what you're arguing for the Alien series to be, ironically; toothless.
Tbh I mostly hope for a reboot. A new beginning with a new Ripley.
With Covenant, the two prequels exited of my headcanon anyway.
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 06, 2019, 07:44:14 PM
I hope we get SOMETHING to close the gap between Covenant and Alien, even if it's just a comic or something.
I have been thinking about that, I would prefer David's story to end without Ridley. Make a comic/novel sequel to Covenant and finish it all.
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 06, 2019, 07:44:14 PM
I just hope they don't remake or retcon any movies. Set it after Resurrection, in the "safe zone" where there's less to screw up.
Me too, I don't get why they didn't set the last EU entries after Resurrection, much easier to fit in with the rest of the stuff. Same goes for movies, after Ressurection there are much places the series can go.
A new Ellen Ripley? Or a new protagonist?
The former seems pointless, you can't replace Sigourney Weaver and you can't make a film better than ALIEN (1979).
But you can make new interesting characters, Blue, Dorian, Church, David etc.
And that's only those actually in Alien media.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:48:58 PMNo. I already specified, the seeking of reproduction doesn't equate to rape.
Rape's a sex act, specifically an act of being restrained and forced to partake in a sex act.
The "Fungus" isn't forcing a phallus object down your throat nonconsensually.
That makes it rape, without even including the part where it forces you to bear it's offspring.
All the "Aliens" in all ALIEN® media can not exist without the presence of said rape.
Wasn't Lope infected by a fungus?
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:48:58 PMThe creature is from head to toe, sexualized with a large phallus head- with a smaller phallus
mouth emerging from it's mouth (teeth abound) which it uses to penetrate it's victims, or a tail
which it also uses to penetrate it's victims (between the legs, where our sex organs are).
Your argument is exactly what you're arguing for the Alien series to be, ironically; toothless.
I don't argue against the phallic nature of the xeno. But the whole rape isn't an actual theme, just an undertone.
What's most sensitive about rape is the psychological consequences, and in Alien we don't see any. Kane's killed in 3 minutes after his encounter with the fh and doesn't have any psychological consequence.
That argument about "No, he was psycho-sexually deeply traumatized but acted chill because he repressed it", I can't accept. Kane's attitude was mostly the one of a person who suffered the attack of a weird, unknown creature, and survived without knowing exactly what happened.
Anyway, psychological consequences are not explored; we can't know them because the "rape victim" was killed in three minutes or so, as that wasn't the point of the movie.
The movie isn't about rape, that isn't the theme. It is about survival. About dealing with the deadly adult xeno.
Now, the only Alien movie that's been upfront about rape and its tolls, is
Alien 3. There you got.
Magegg, please stop it.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:53:05 PMA new Ellen Ripley?
New Ellen Ripley.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:53:05 PMyou can't replace Sigourney Weaver
That's been said a lot about many other recasts in movie history.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:53:05 PMand you can't make a film better than ALIEN (1979).
So, what's the point of asking for more Alien movies? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:53:05 PMBut you can make new interesting characters, Blue, Dorian, Church, David etc.
And that's only those actually in Alien media.
Ripley's the historic protagonist of the Alien story, and I don't see anything bad with the character. Have a new version of her, with new adventures.
I'm not even asking for an Alien or Aliens remake.
The reboot can be about rape, if you want it (as a SJW I love those themes being brought to the table). I just think there's no point or value on keeping on with the old continuity, it's already so much wrecked. A fresh start is better.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 06, 2019, 07:50:32 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 06, 2019, 07:44:14 PM
I just hope they don't remake or retcon any movies. Set it after Resurrection, in the "safe zone" where there's less to screw up.
Me too, I don't get why they didn't set the last EU entries after Resurrection, much easier to fit in with the rest of the stuff. Same goes for movies, after Resurrection there are much places the series can go.
Agreed.
All entries in the series that have forced the inclusion of something/someone Ripley have suffered from it.
Isolation's a fluke, that succeeded because Amanda Ripley had no character- we filled her shoes.
So when she was saying goodbye to Ellen Ripley for the last time, so were we.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 06, 2019, 07:56:06 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:48:58 PMNo. I already specified, the seeking of reproduction doesn't equate to rape.
Rape's a sex act, specifically an act of being restrained and forced to partake in a sex act.
The "Fungus" isn't forcing a phallus object down your throat nonconsensually.
That makes it rape, without even including the part where it forces you to bear it's offspring.
All the "Aliens" in all ALIEN® media can not exist without the presence of said rape.
Wasn't Lope infected by a fungus?
No, Ledward. Lope is Facehugged.
And that's part of the whole point of Covenant,
David turned it into a rape monster.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 06, 2019, 07:56:06 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:48:58 PMThe creature is from head to toe, sexualized with a large phallus head- with a smaller phallus
mouth emerging from it's mouth (teeth abound) which it uses to penetrate it's victims, or a tail
which it also uses to penetrate it's victims (between the legs, where our sex organs are).
Your argument is exactly what you're arguing for the Alien series to be, ironically; toothless.
What's most sensitive about rape is the psychological consequences...
Incorrect, keep digging that hole.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 06, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 07:53:05 PM
you can't replace Sigourney Weaver as Ripley
and you can't make a film better than ALIEN (1979).
So, what's the point of asking for more Alien movies? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To tell a new story using the universe of Alien? Not Ripley's story again?
I'm saying you can't make a better film than
Alien 1979 starring Ripley.
The two are not separate statements, you'd be better off telling a new story.
O'Bannon called Kane's violation "homosexual rape". Regardless, a rapey android has sculpted the species in the image of sexual perversion now. It's text.
Personally I don't want Ripley to return in any capacity, her legacy has been set, give the role of the next heroine(s) to new up and coming talents, or Sylvia Hoeks. Mmmmm.
Pssst - I know I'm a bystander here, but Omegamorph asked the topic to stop. Would hate to see anyone temporarily banned here.
Sylvia Hoeks... Omg- p l e a s e.
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https://youtu.be/BLSFQUjyBQo?t=158
"I'm the best one."
One could argue that every Aliens film (including the AVP's) has featured a rebooted Ripley. Every lead female role has been trying to fill those shoes that cannot be filled.
But one would be way off topic. Anyway, sure hope we get some great new Aliens films even if under the house of mouse...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 06, 2019, 09:46:52 PM
One could argue that every Aliens film (including the AVP's) has featured a rebooted Ripley. Every lead female role has been trying to fill those shoes that cannot be filled.
Yeah, so make a new character.
How about a female Android/Replicant that starts as the "Company Man" *COUGH* Silva Hoeks *COUGH* then?
How about a Male Android with severe Daddy issues to be the opposite to Ellen Ripley? That creates the Alien. ;D
Iger's on a "creep level"of David Geffen,He'll never be President,&Disney completely screwed the pooch on those Star Wars Sequels.How does he still have a job??:)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 06, 2019, 08:24:41 PM
Pssst - I know I'm a bystander here, but Omegamorph asked the topic to stop. Would hate to see anyone temporarily banned here.
Thanks mate
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https://twitter.com/THR/status/1093258302811717632
The real apathetic Megacorporation.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 08:18:14 PMTo tell a new story using the universe of Alien? Not Ripley's story again?
You can tell a new story and have Ripley. Specially if she's a new take, a rebooted Ripley.
But then it's not Ripley,
it's Ripley in name only.
The same problem as Shaw, Daniels and Lex but in a reversed context.
Which means you'd be better off with a new character entirely.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 01:50:01 AM
But then it's not Ripley,
it's Ripley in name only.
How do you know? You haven't seen it.
Because by her own admission, Sigourney Weaver said Ripley was always written a certain way and she felt David Giler and Walter Hill "Got" Ripley, whereas everyone else aside from James Cameron wrote her like a Basketball coach. The last time we got "A new take" on Ripley, we got Ripley 8.
Nah, Ripley's had a full arc and then some on the side, time for a completely new character with no resemblance to her to take protagonist centre stage. Not an antagonist-protagonist (David) or a Ripley mixtape.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 02:13:38 AMNah, Ripley's had a full arc and then some on the side
That doesn't mean Ripley couldn't have had a different arc. Alien 3 was ultimately just one of many different versions that story could have had. There wasn't any initial intention to take her there.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 02:13:38 AMtime for a completely new character with no resemblance to her to take protagonist centre stage.
You can have a version of Ripley that shares most of the classic Ripley personality and identity, but has different adventures.
I don't want that.
That's creatively bankrupt.
Updating a hero can make it timeless.
I think Ripley's a character as iconic as Batman, Mad Max, James Bond and many others.
I'd love to have a new take of this character and see what it brings to the table.
She's already timeless.
I'd rather have a new character, another timeless character.
I don't. I'd be more thrilled to see what they do with Ripley.
Graverobbery's a crime y'know.
And we already have our Frankenstein film.
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And Frankenstein's monster's the real star.
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Quote from: Magegg on Feb 07, 2019, 02:19:49 AM
Updating a hero can make it timeless.
The only timeless heroes I remember are James Bond and Dr Who.
Can you imagine Ripley being played by different actresses / actors through the decades? :laugh:
I don't think the Alien franchise is made for that anyway ;D
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 02:42:12 AM
Graverobbery's a crime y'know.
And we already have our Frankenstein film.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/f3/59/4af359da768560f9d7f5252d969c7c06.gif
And Frankenstein's monster's the real star.
https://media.giphy.com/media/aMK1fqTlNxTFe/giphy.gif
^
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 07, 2019, 03:02:16 AMCan you imagine Ripley being played by different actresses / actors through the decades? :laugh:
Just like Batman.
I'm pretty confident we'll have very soon a new version of Ripley, in a rebooted universe. And I'm excited about it.
I'm pretty confident we'll have very soon a new original Alien protagonist, in a soft-rebooted universe. And I'm excited about it.
Im ready for a new main character that isnt a riff on Ripley.
Helen Riffley?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2019, 03:38:41 AM
Helen Riffley?
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If you're not going to use Sigourney Weaver to play Ellen Ripley one more time then don't use the character at all I'd say. I'd love to see her reprise her role one more time but it's also time for the torch to be passed on. Perhaps Amanda or Newt?
Sylvia Hoeks or... I'm going to tell them you tried to shoot me first. (:
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Ellen Ripley and every relation, gone.
Year 2300: 36 Billion People.
Any one, a survivor.
Good, but the rating is the least of the Alien series' problems currently.
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 07, 2019, 03:45:24 AM
If you're not going to use Sigourney Weaver to play Ellen Ripley one more time then don't use the character at all I'd say. I'd love to see her reprise her role one more time but it's also time for the torch to be passed on.
Such was Weaver's intention with the Blomkamp project. I agree it seems pointless to recast the character, though. Just write a new character.
QuotePerhaps Amanda or Newt?
The latter could happen if the above is resurrected.
Amanda? No. We already know her fate, which means no will-she-die tension in a future story. If she's involved in any adventures, they have to be so limited that they're virtually inconsequential, due to that (admittedly, frustrating) piece of '
Alien Resurrection' dialogue. Humanity simply hadn't had any meaningful known encounters with the creatures since '
Alien 3' occured. Those few who knew about and sought it, had assumed all was lost.
Either go with the Blompkamp/Weaver project or set something after AR took place. That's the only way to get a truly fresh canvas back, again.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 02:24:26 AM
She's already timeless.
I'd rather have a new character, another timeless character.
Preach it sister.
Disney in talks to buy Fox. What could this mean for Alien and Predator?
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We need more art of the queen as a Disney princess. Hicks loves that.
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2019, 07:26:46 PM
We need more art of the queen as a Disney princess. Hicks loves that.
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Eeew, yuck. She looks like a grandmother in that thing. Put her in something sensuous. ;D
And get that jewelry off her head, she already wears a crown.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 07, 2019, 09:58:24 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2019, 07:26:46 PM
We need more art of the queen as a Disney princess. Hicks loves that.
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Eeew, yuck. She looks like a grandmother in that thing. Put her in something sensuous. ;D
And get that jewelry off her head, she already wears a crown.
So no Predator princesses? That's racist, you know >:(
(https://i.imgur.com/cWrNGHf.jpg)
That's just frightening.
Nice hands though.
All Predz r menz. No womz.
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2019, 10:26:43 PM
All Predz r menz. No womz.
And so it begins.
Thread is getting weird.
I will believe it when i see it, the monopoly on entertainment disney is getting is not only gotten out of hand but it only delivers mediocre, souless movie, this whole business plan is a creative disaster and i cannot imagine anything good coming out of it.
Covenant and The Predator were mediocre and souless.
That's what happens when the soul of the movie is driven out of formula and straight into oncoming traffic.
I'll never understand this whole notion of "change everything to see if there's more money to be made".
Blade Runner 2049 was faithful to the path, and it's a far superior film to Covenant or The Predator. It's a far superior film to most nowadays, honestly. The art of business, is ruining the business of art.
Blade Runner 2049 was also a pretty big financial disappointment, so not a terribly strong counterargument.
No argument to begin with. Merely that the better movie was the one that stuck to formula. But making good movies is not the goal anymore. Making lots of money, and screwing around to see if there's more money to be made is. That's a shame.
I just realized with all this, Disney could actually attempt to do crossovers of the alien/predator franchises with another series they own. Disney has shown to be capable of very bad decisions, they can really make significant changes to the series. Even more than we have been getting lately. Prepare yourselves.
I have a nagging feeling that Disney will have little to zero interest in either Predator or Alien. So I'm preparing for the end of both, just to be safe. That the recent films have all sucked helps somewhat.
Nobody sets out to make a bad movie. Almost every terrible film you've seen was made with the sincere belief that what they were making was good. Not necessarily great or brilliant -- but at least good. Nobody's out there trying to showcase their incompetence.
Ridley Scott didn't go into Covenant thinking "I'm going to make such a lame f**king movie, just you wait." He told a story he wanted to tell as a filmmaker. It didn't resonate well with some audience -- but that doesn't mean he was trying to make a bad film or only thinking abut the money.
As for the formula comment, the entire MCU kind of shows that, no, screwing around isn't the regular course for companies trying to see if there's more money to be made. Rigidly adhering to a data-driven formula seems to be the preferred MO for film corporations at the moment. The number of risk-taking films is decreasing as the need to return higher profits increases.
With something like Marvel though, every film makes such a stupid amount of money that it does free them up to do comedies like Guardians or Ragnarok and it won't really matter if they tank. They're still obviously formulaic so it's not a terribly big risk, but very different in terms of tone.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 02:26:45 AM
With something like Marvel though, every film makes such a stupid amount of money that it does free them up to do comedies like Guardians or Ragnarok and it won't really matter if they tank. They're still obviously formulaic so it's not a terribly big risk, but very different in terms of tone.
And then Marvel is vindicated when they're financial and critical successes. More so than even their "safe" efforts like Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World.
Oh God, I'd forgotten all about Thor 2.
Did that really happen?
Marvel movies are completely different. They appeal to the lowest common denominator, or rather a much broader audience. I say that as someone who likes a few Marvel movies. Alien/Predator are niche franchises. We have like 5 different sub-bases just in this fanbase. It's going to be almost impossible to please everyone even if the movie is a masterpiece. That's why some people love Covenant ( myself included ) and others hate it. They could literally make a movie as awesome as Alien/Aliens and this fanbase would still be unhappy. Marvel doesn't have that problem. In fact, I see people overrating average Marvel movies. Black Panther is a best picture nominee? Give me a break. Alien 3 was a better film and that still gets pissed on by our fanbase.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 02:26:45 AM
With something like Marvel though, every film makes such a stupid amount of money that it does free them up to do comedies like Guardians or Ragnarok and it won't really matter if they tank. They're still obviously formulaic so it's not a terribly big risk, but very different in terms of tone.
Yeah, Marvel does research - which is something DC should have learned from. They test a bunch of stuff, see what sticks, then adapt their formula. GotG was a hit, so they start making more movies like that - Ragnarok, Spider-Man, etc. Particularly bland entries like Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 get learned from as well.
Covenant is too weird to be mediocre, the homoeroticism between androids is refreshing as hell. But comparing pretty much anything to 2049 is unfair lol, what a monolithic masterwork that is. I'd kill for a Villeneuve Alien film.
I love BR 2049. I weep for a society that did not embrace this masterpiece. :'( Bunch of zero attention-span, self-absorbed douchebags.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 08, 2019, 03:49:06 AM
Covenant is too weird to be mediocre, the homoeroticism between androids is refreshing as hell. But comparing pretty much anything to 2049 is unfair lol, what a monolithic masterwork that is. I'd kill for a Villeneuve Alien film.
Um, yes please!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 08, 2019, 03:53:15 AM
Bunch of zero attention-span, self-absorbed douchebags.
Yes, that's the only possible reason people could have for not liking or caring about a film. ::)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 08, 2019, 03:53:15 AM
I love BR 2049. I weep for a society that did not embrace this masterpiece. :'( Bunch of zero attention-span, self-absorbed douchebags.
All the technology and money to create literally anything, and we get movies like Fallen Kingdom and the Meg. It just breaks the heart.
I'm still in awe of 2049, saw it thrice at IMAX, twice at regular cinemas. Breath taking.
I'm in awe that you used the word thrice!
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Quote from: Huggs on Feb 08, 2019, 04:24:26 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 08, 2019, 03:53:15 AM
I love BR 2049. I weep for a society that did not embrace this masterpiece. :'( Bunch of zero attention-span, self-absorbed douchebags.
All the technology and money to create literally anything, and we get movies like Fallen Kingdom and the Meg. It just breaks the heart.
Fallen Kingdom needed like 3 more script revisions. They spend over $100 mil on the fx and cheap out on the script. Sounds a lot like the lesson the first Jurassic Park was trying to teach.
I'm not saying people mean to make bad films on purpose, but after seeing movies like Independence Day 2 or Fallen Kingdom, I just believe it's entirely possible that sometimes they sincerely don't give a sh*t if it's good or not.
Of course they do. However with that amount of money, many people demand a say in the direction and sometimes it's people who perhaps, shouldn't.
Hey Disney! Hire Stan Winston Legend studios to work on a predator film for once! Good place to start is getting it back to the parent of the design ( atleast in spirit )
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 08, 2019, 01:59:03 AM
No argument to begin with. Merely that the better movie was the one that stuck to formula. But making good movies is not the goal anymore. Making lots of money, and screwing around to see if there's more money to be made is. That's a shame.
2099 was very stuck to the formula. It was practically a remake of the original BR.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 08, 2019, 02:07:37 AMI just realized with all this, Disney could actually attempt to do crossovers of the alien/predator franchises with another series they own.
Nah, they won't.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 08, 2019, 05:02:48 AM
I'm not saying people mean to make bad films on purpose, but after seeing movies like Independence Day 2 or Fallen Kingdom, I just believe it's entirely possible that sometimes they sincerely don't give a sh*t if it's good or not.
Hell I'd even go so far to say Independence Day 2 was far worse than AVP:R. Skyline was a lot better too, and that isn't saying much. When the Brothers Strause have you beat with tiny budget genre films, there's a problem.
Independence Day 2 shat all over AvPR and Skyline.
Quote from: Enjoy on Feb 08, 2019, 05:38:39 AM
Hey Disney! Hire Stan Winston Legend studios to work on a predator film for once! Good place to start is getting it back to the parent of the design ( atleast in spirit )
In the words of the illustrious
Voodoo Magic: competently made Predators
don't need special, atmospheric lighting to look good.
To which, I will add: no need for crab faces, floppy mouths, derpy faces, or CGI monstrosities.
If this were Star Wars and the argument of practical vs. CGI came to light, Wolfman wins every time.
OooOOooo.... I'm illustrious!
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Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 07:01:18 AM
Independence Day 2 shat all over AvPR and Skyline.
I mean it gets iffy when we're comparing pieces of shit to pieces of shit. Are we judging it by stink? Consistency? Color? Shape?
I just want to see Newt come back as the new heroine.
I don't care about the shlocky sequels and prequels.
The "don't let us die for nothing" line in independence day 2 is worse than every single second of both AVP movies put together. The delivery of it is more horrific than an actual alien invasion.
Indepedence Day has Jeff Goldblum which makes it better by default.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 09:08:45 PM
Indepedence Day has Jeff Goldblum which makes it better by default.
You must be a fan of "Earth Girls are Easy"
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@Voodoo Magic: Bwahahahahahaha! :D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 09:25:30 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 09:08:45 PM
Indepedence Day has Jeff Goldblum which makes it better by default.
You must be a fan of "Earth Girls are Easy"
https://i.imgur.com/LZEL9TW.gif
:D Is it some kind of Teletubbies movie?
According to the opinion of EntertainTheElk https://youtu.be/sgzH2oRLFTE, and I agree, all good sequels must accomplish five criteria:
1. Give the audience something new
2. Identify what worked and build off of it
3. Change the stakes
4. Play with expectations
5. Add new memorable characters
"Aliens" accomplished all of these, but "Alien³" didn't. Neither did the other sequels and prequels.
Hitting #1 might be difficult, or easy, because the Alien franchise has had numerous sequel pitches since the original. Some of these ideas have already been recycled in the sequels. Prometheus is identical to an old "Alien 2" pitch: https://youtu.be/S2Dr5LtaQRM. To say nothing of the rejected "Alien³" pitches: https://youtu.be/lkDrAQWGoR4, "Alien 4: Earthbound", "Alien 5: Red Harvest" and the many, many comics and video games.
There's no scarcity of new settings and alien forms. I'd like to see viral aliens on Anchorpoint. I'd like to see infectious cyborg aliens in smalltown Shitsville. I'd like to see alien experiments loose on Moloch Island. I'd like to see chameleon aliens loose in a monastery. I'd like to see spider aliens scaling down Antartica Station. I'd like to see the Company experimenting with tech from the derelict and creating freak shows. I'd like to see characters visiting a freakish Giger cityscape like in the rejected pitches for Alien 2, Alien 4 and Covenant. I'd like to see a king alien stomping around.
There is so much that could happen.
It doesn't necessarily have to be movies. A CGI cartoon a la "Starship Troopers: Roughnecks" could work. (I don't trust a live action tv budget to do the series any justice, especially after all the awful CGI aliens in the sequels. Practical effects are the only thing that work. If the humans are cgi too then I can still immerse myself.)
But the new producers absolutely need to look out for pitfalls that would ruin the brand. Something like "updating" the franchise with a modern ipod aesthetic is stupid. Retrofuturism is a great idea and helps the series stand out in today's over saturated market.
Quote from: MoonRightRomantic on Feb 08, 2019, 10:22:25 PM
...all good sequels must accomplish five criteria:
1. Give the audience something new
2. Identify what worked and build off of it
3. Change the stakes
4. Play with expectations
5. Add new memorable characters
Like Alien 3.
1. Prison Planet, Impregnated Ripley, Religious Themes, Total Nihilistic Tone and an amazing soundtrack.
2. Return to single Alien plot and gothic vibe. Action removed. Weapons removed. Family elements removed, etc.
3. First she fought for he life, then she fought for a daughter, now she fights for us all. Ripley is infected and going to die. She is running out of time to stop the company stooges who are personally on their way this time and fully capable of finally securing a specimen on their own. The odds that she will fail are real. She is surrounded by rapists and murderers, not friends or marines, and technology is extremely limited. There is little time and limited options. It's endgame.
4. I'm sure many expected a much different film and a much different outcome to her character arc after Aliens.
5. Clemens, Dillon, and Andrews to start. That's ignoring medium characters like Aaron, Golic, and Morse. Charles Dance, Brian Glover and Charles Dutton aren't memorable? Charles Dance alone is a superior presence, one I'm still shocked made it into the Alien Franchise. The man is legendary. Clemens was also the only person Ripley slept with during the series.
And no doubt this could be described in much more detail and with better examples by others.
Quote2. Return to single Alien plot and gothic vibe. Action removed. Weapons removed. Family elements removed, etc.
And that's where it falls apart.
Disclaimer:
SM's opinion.
Also:
1. Xeno inheriting host traits. New runner alien design.
Anyway, most of those points are subjective, so...
The discussion's subjective.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 08, 2019, 11:10:48 PM
Disclaimer:
SM's opinion.
Not in this case.
The action and weapons were very popular elements. Therefore they worked. Point 2 isn't "Destroy what worked in the opening credits".
Popular ≠ Correct.
:laugh:
The correct decision for Alien³'s narrative.
Audience expectations? Questionable.
Elements of its narrative, sure, but its actual narrative is still a mess.
Aside from the construction being messy, some "seam lines" where the effects are concerned; including a shot of a certain egg that shouldn't be present and a line about a certain Vincent, I must be thick because I really don't see how.
'Apart form a bunch of things being wrong with it, I really don't see what's wrong with it'.
Thankfully, the AC fixed everything.
Lament all you want about the prequels but to say they brought nothing new is demonstrably false.
1. Bald albino engineers that seed worlds with life or destroy to create lifeforms.
2. The pathogen
3. Charismatic, fascinating, creative, sexually neurotic android ascending to God-hood
4. Hammerpedes
5. Trilobite/c-section
6. Deacon
7. Fungoid egg sacs from yuggoth/spores
8. Backburster
9. Mouthburster
10. Neomorph
11. Hammer horror/romantic literary influences
12. Fingering
13. Homoeroticism
14. New xeno design/chestburster/subversion
15. LV-223/Planet 4
16. Giger Li I tribute with Shaw's fate
17. Bleak misanthropic ending
Which one was the juiciest?
12. ;) ;D
Quote from: SM on Feb 09, 2019, 03:52:02 AM
'Apart form a bunch of things being wrong with it, I really don't see what's wrong with it'.
Three things by my count. The mockery isn't needed.
Looks like this topic is being picked up by other sites. It's gaining momentum!
https://comicbook.com/horror/amp/2019/02/09/alien-james-cameron-teases-involvement-future-franchise/
Just like last time, and the time before that, and the time before that. This is getting to a "The project that cried 'in development'!" place now.
This is getting into the L E G E N D status now! So stoked!
Personally, I'm much more interested in the prospect of Blomkamp doing a Robocop movie than I am in seeing him do Alien. Robocop is much more his speed.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 09, 2019, 04:20:44 PM
Personally, I'm much more interested in the prospect of Blomkamp doing a Robocop movie than I am in seeing him do Alien. Robocop is much more his speed.
Agreed.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 09, 2019, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 09, 2019, 04:20:44 PM
Personally, I'm much more interested in the prospect of Blomkamp doing a Robocop movie than I am in seeing him do Alien. Robocop is much more his speed.
Agreed.
Yep
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 09, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
Looks like this topic is being picked up by other sites. It's gaining momentum!
https://comicbook.com/horror/amp/2019/02/09/alien-james-cameron-teases-involvement-future-franchise/
Oops, I totally posted this in the wrong thread. Will repost there...
Quote from: The Kurgan on Feb 09, 2019, 04:33:45 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 09, 2019, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 09, 2019, 04:20:44 PM
Personally, I'm much more interested in the prospect of Blomkamp doing a Robocop movie than I am in seeing him do Alien. Robocop is much more his speed.
Agreed.
Yep
Me also! I'm cautiously optimistic about Robocop Returns. I'm hoping Weller returns in some capacity.
Plot twist, Ridley does robocop and makes it erotic. :laugh:
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 09, 2019, 10:35:17 PM
Plot twist, Ridley does robocop and makes it erotic. :laugh:
Anne Lewis is turned into the first female Robocop and they go out on a date and slather baby food all over themselves before Murphy slips his recording/data probe into her disc port. The Robocop movies have always needed a good fisting scene like that. He'll show her things she never could have imagined. And we already know Ridley has a fondness for "fingering". ;D
Damn, that could just work. ;D
What will Disney do with X-Files? :o
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Quote from: Magegg on Feb 10, 2019, 04:45:37 PM
What will Disney do with X-Files? :o
Absolutely nothing. Chris Carter has rammed that series into the ground harder that the Derelict on LV-426.
Reboot. New characters. Gravity Falls crossover.
Right...
The first two movies grossed 1000% of their budget. The rest never grossed more than 3-400%. Disney doesn't have an incentive to continue the prequels and sequels, especially not with the convoluted continuity involving the engineers (new space jockeys) and drukathi (old space jockeys). Either they will start an alternate timeline from Aliens and declare everything else as Legends-style non-canon, or just reboot everything from scratch to avoid being constrained by old continuity.
I hope they will bring Blomkamp and Cameron back to work on Alien V. Sure, it's definitely pandering to fans and fan theories (especially the concept art of egg-morphing and deformed aliens hooked to alien machines), but letting Ridley Scott go in his own direction didn't work out so well.
Did you know that Ridley originally wanted the alien to kill Ripley on the shuttle and mimic her voice? He needs other people on the team to keep him in check!
Forgive me, if this has been posted already but I just got home and haven't had time to go backtreading yet. I just saw this on Twitter.
https://hnentertainment.co/exclusive-two-live-action-alien-series-are-in-the-works-and-ridley-scott-is-producing-one-at-hulu/
Wow. Epic if true.
I would want the following series...
1. Alien Isolation series
2. Covenant continuation
3. Cold Forge series
I can't pick which one I want more between the last 2, but perhaps a Covenant continuation merits a film more.
Ah, so this is what WATCH was eh?
Amanda Ripley TV Series confirmed?
I'd much rather have a show that follows Scott around. He just looks at things and either declares them brilliant or total sh#t.
:D
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 14, 2019, 01:46:27 AM
I'd much rather have a show that follows Scott around. He just looks at things and either declares them brilliant or total sh#t.
That would be funny. :D
"Aluminum foil, it scares the hell out of me. It's f#ckin' brilliant. We've got a fantastic script for it".
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 14, 2019, 01:46:27 AM
I'd much rather have a show that follows Scott around. He just looks at things and either declares them brilliant or total sh#t.
You don't want to go inside that man's mind. I warn you.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 14, 2019, 01:46:27 AM
I'd much rather have a show that follows Scott around. He just looks at things and either declares them brilliant or total sh#t.
Judge Riddles.
https://tinyurl.com/AVPGalaxyThreadTVSeries
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-26/disney-fox-deal-is-said-to-pass-in-brazil-with-divestment-accord
QuoteWalt Disney Co.'s $71 billion purchase of 21st Century Fox Inc.'s entertainment assets is expected to win Brazilian approval now that the companies have agreed to sell the Fox Sports channel and program rights in the country, according to a person close to the situation.
The regulatory agency Cade concluded Disney's ownership of ESPN and Fox Sports would leave just one other competitor and give the company too much market power. The parties agreed to the sale to get the greenlight, said the person, who asked not to be identified because discussions aren't public. The agency is expected to rule on Wednesday.
Still hoping Disney brings on Cameron and Blomkamp to reboot Alien V.
Neill Blomkamp's Original idea? Yes.
Sigourney Weaver's Ellen Ripley? No.
Quote from: MoonRightRomantic on Feb 27, 2019, 11:42:52 PM
Still hoping Disney brings on Cameron and Blomkamp to reboot Alien V.
Ya, that would be totally awesome with Sigourney Weaver's Ripley. And I don't mean Ripley 8...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 28, 2019, 12:38:56 AM
Quote from: MoonRightRomantic on Feb 27, 2019, 11:42:52 PM
Still hoping Disney brings on Cameron and Blomkamp to reboot Alien V.
Ya, that would be totally awesome with Sigourney Weaver's Ripley. And I don't mean Ripley 8...
Let's see what happens with terminator 6 first.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 12:41:57 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 28, 2019, 12:38:56 AM
Quote from: MoonRightRomantic on Feb 27, 2019, 11:42:52 PM
Still hoping Disney brings on Cameron and Blomkamp to reboot Alien V.
Ya, that would be totally awesome with Sigourney Weaver's Ripley. And I don't mean Ripley 8...
Let's see what happens with terminator 6 first.
Blomkamp's not directing Terminator 6.
Cameron is involved. I want to see just how much havoc he's capable of causing when returning to a beloved franchise.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 28, 2019, 02:27:38 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 12:41:57 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 28, 2019, 12:38:56 AM
Quote from: MoonRightRomantic on Feb 27, 2019, 11:42:52 PM
Still hoping Disney brings on Cameron and Blomkamp to reboot Alien V.
Ya, that would be totally awesome with Sigourney Weaver's Ripley. And I don't mean Ripley 8...
Let's see what happens with terminator 6 first.
Blomkamp's not directing Terminator 6.
I think he means if Terminator 6 is successful. Hollywood looks for trends and if bringing Linda Hamilton & Jamie Lee Curtis back meant success for Terminator & Halloween respectively, they'll likely want to proceed with Sigourney and Alien.
* In before your edit Huggsy!!
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 02:30:49 AM
Cameron is involved. I want to see just how much havoc he's capable of causing when returning to a beloved franchise.
Oh my.
If they go with bringing back the old ones they should try with Dutch before Ripley.
Whatever happens, happens.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 28, 2019, 02:34:50 AM
If they go with bringing back the old ones they should try with Dutch before Ripley.
Agreed.
You're on a roll today.
:)
Despite being all about self determination, ironically I believe Terminator will decide the fate of Alien.
Just like how The Terminator got James Cameron the Aliens gig, history repeats.
Very well possible.
I honestly can't imagine Terminator getting back on track, even with Cameron. Just a feeling, no particular reason behind it.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Feb 28, 2019, 07:36:57 PM
Very well possible.
I honestly can't imagine Terminator getting back on track, even with Cameron. Just a feeling, no particular reason behind it.
That glamour shot they released a few months ago was enough proof that the people making these movies still don't know what the heck they're doing. It will fail, just like the last three. They haven't learned anything. What it will do, is prove that Cameron's involvement does not make a difference anymore , and that Neil's Alien 5 needs to stay on the shelf where it belongs.
I'm seeing reports that the hiccup in South America is over and the merger is now expected to be completed this month.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/12/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/12/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html)
We have a closing date.
Alien and Predator will be owned by Disney on March 20th.
I'm curious about how they're going to go about using those properties. I don't doubt some form of cinematic feature will be made as while they both don't make as much as the MCU or Star Wars, both are indeed big names.
Well, by March 20th we might not be in good hands, but we'll be in pretty damn capable ones.
Quote from: David's Creation on Mar 13, 2019, 12:29:01 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/12/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/12/media/disney-fox-deal/index.html)
We have a closing date.
Alien and Predator will be owned by Disney on March 20th.
Prepare yourselves. Its coming.
It begins.
I hope we get a clear picture of what is going to happen with the properties.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2019, 08:59:26 AM
I hope we get a clear picture of what is going to happen with the properties.
I don't think we will know for sure until after the streaming service goes up and from what I can tell, that's in September. Alien and Predator are likely to move over to Hulu by then if not before (if they aren't already present, I don't have Hulu so IDK). We do know however that Disney is not putting anything R-rated on their streaming service, and Anderson's AVP actually occupies the PG-13 slot like the Marvel films.
Now they might just move it over to Hulu just to keep things consistent seeing as it is the only one like this, but given that it's an R-rated ban and not an R-rated franchise ban from Disney proper, we might see Disney of all things push AVP. Which would be kind of surreal if Disney was the one pushing the AVP franchise. They can do action movies just fine and yeah they know a thing or two about continuity and how to build a mythology.
This is going to be really weird the day I go into a Disney store and I get to see Scar staring back at me with his massive chin.
All I want is to know what they plan to do with Alien and Predator, even in the vaguest sense. I just wouldn't like Disney to "forget" about those licenses and ignore them for a long time. Even if in the worst case scenario they don't plan on doing anything with them, it'd be nice to make an official statement about that.
Not expecting much, but still hoping for some news about this in the coming months.
Iger has said they're not canning the R-rate properties, which means Fox will likely stay on as its own brand, just under Disney. Same as how Marvel an Lucasfilm still exist.
I actually like the idea of having an Alien TV series. Maybe with that we could actually have some character depth/development and suspense, in the movies you instantly know which characters are just going to be cannon fodder. A new format would be something... well, new.
I have a bad feeling about this....
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 13, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
All I want is to know what they plan to do with Alien and Predator, even in the vaguest sense. I just wouldn't like Disney to "forget" about those licenses and ignore them for a long time. Even if in the worst case scenario they don't plan on doing anything with them, it'd be nice to make an official statement about that.
Not expecting much, but still hoping for some news about this in the coming months.
I don't believe they'll say anything for awhile. I don't believe Disney can make any plans for them until after the transition occurs. And given that film takes 2-3 years to produce and we pretty much know nothing for the first year, we're probably not going to know anything until sometime in 2020 unless someone in Disney is really into Alien and Predator. That being said, they aren't going to forget about the licenses seeing as trademarks have to be in usage and renewed 10 years where at the halfway point they have to prove its still in usage. They absolutely will release content even if it isn't movie related.
That's freaking scary... D:
Seems to be something missing in that video.
Also, it's not healthy to have that many big commercial properties under one umbrella.
Oh no
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Disney will own the company and for the sake of taking advantage of brand name recognition, it's my bet 'ALIEN' and 'PREDATOR' movies will still be released by Fox.
It makes no sense to release 'ALIEN' or 'PREDATOR' movies under the Disney banner and as they own Fox now (as of 20th, March), there's no point in releasing future movies under a different studio name, either. They own the studio, 'lock, stock and barrel.'
Once the settlement is made and the handshake is done, there will be some staff shake ups and it will be business as usual for Fox, but the profits will go in a different direction than they have for the past decades.
On the surface, nothing will have changed. Fox is a world recognised brand name. Disney will want to capitalise on that. They will instill changes but ultimately what it boils down to is business for the old company under new ownership. Fox won't cease to exist and will still make movies in the future, most likely releasing new titles under existing IP's to bolster public confidence once again.
Outwardly, to us, there will be no visible change. It will be the shareholders that have changed completely, but the institution itself will continue to exist - with changes - but it will still push out product the public is familiar with.
How that quality will change, is anyone's guess right now.
-Windebieste.
I hope Disney (which is a more competent studio making movies, IMO) commission someone to supervise the development some of the movie franchises owned by Fox; quality terms, not marketing terms.
Some of the stuff they've done lately with Alien, Predator, has been pretty erratic and terrible (as well as box office failures more or less). Hope someone in Disney comes with an actual good plan to create good movie series around those.
I volunteer. ;D
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;D
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Considering how Disney handled Star Wars, they need like a full army of avp fans to help not screw this series up. Nah don't put your hopes up.
Disney didn't do anything to Star Wars, that was Lucasfilm.
Disney has been pretty good with letting the subsidiary companies run their properties the way they want.
You send 10 AVP fans over there and the next day you will have a war over 100 different directions they want to take the series in.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 18, 2019, 02:29:27 PM
You send 10 AVP fans over there and the need day you will have a war over 100 different directions they want to take the series in.
There are always things that 90% of the fans can easily agree on. That's where they can help. Preventing stuff like The Predator's endings and David making the Alien.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2019, 02:23:27 PMDisney didn't do anything to Star Wars, that was Lucasfilm.
Disney has been pretty good with letting the subsidiary companies run their properties the way they want.
Well... they discarded Lucas's ideas for the sequel trilogy. Lucasfilm WAS George Lucas.
Oh well, after the prequel trilogy I don't blame them for doing so XD At least Rogue One was good :P
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 18, 2019, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2019, 02:23:27 PMDisney didn't do anything to Star Wars, that was Lucasfilm.
Disney has been pretty good with letting the subsidiary companies run their properties the way they want.
Well... they discarded Lucas's ideas for the sequel trilogy. Lucasfilm WAS George Lucas.
Oh well, after the prequel trilogy I don't blame them for doing so XD At least Rogue One was good :P
Yeah, while Disney made mistakes, that was not one of them :)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 18, 2019, 02:29:27 PMYou send 10 AVP fans over there and the next day you will have a war over 100 different directions they want to take the series in.
First off, abort any further Ridley Scott effort and reboot the franchise in a second.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Mar 18, 2019, 03:15:44 PMYeah, while Disney made mistakes, that was not one of them :)
Not saying it was a mistake, but that's definitely Disney taking the franchise in another direction, so, yeah, very different to what drove Lucasfilm in its late years of independence.
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Wait. Does that gif mean I was supposed to be the chosen one?
You were my brother.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 18, 2019, 05:05:18 PM
You were my brother.
You could've supervised to make sure there's no Crabators, now you're dismembered and on fire.
:laugh:
A fitting demise!
Twas just a no-Blade-Runner-Alien-Shared-Universe joke. ;D
Thoughts revision; concerning the Alien Blade-Runner idea.
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Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Mar 10, 2019, 11:55:06 AM
AvP's inappropriate.
Alien + Blade-Runner's alright,
but each is gratuitous.
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Ah, Tim Curry <3
Really? "90% of Alien fans" would agree that Ridley's efforts need to die on a cliffhanger because they were just that awful? I doubt that.
It baffles me that people consider The Predator and Covenant to be in the same league of crap.
As someone who isn't as invested in Predator, I'd say Covenant was actually worse.
I say let Ridley finish his thing. It's Ridley. The guy who gave us the first film. I want to see where he takes it. Otherwise we will be asking this ad infinitum once he is no longer with us.
I'm a big fan of both series but probably a bigger predator fan, like 60% predator 40% alien for me, I consider The Predator much worse overall. The Predator is a bad movie and a really bad predator movie. While Covenant is a good movie and can be an average alien movie depending on one's headcanon.
Heck even Prometheus was better than The Predator and I can spend hours talking about my problems with that one.
Quote from: David's Creation on Mar 18, 2019, 05:54:04 PMReally? "90% of Alien fans" would agree that Ridley's efforts need to die on a cliffhanger because they were just that awful? I doubt that.
It's hurting the brand, tarnishing the series.
Plant me firmly in the 10% camp that wants to see Ridley finish what he started, then.
This is largely why I was so ecstatic to hear about the "two TV series" news. One series finishes Ridley's story for those who care and the other can be a safe, risk-free, crowd-pleasing action-fest with colonial marines shooting aliens.
I know it's been more or less debunked, but I'd like to see Disney take this route.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Plant me firmly in the 10% camp that wants to see Ridley finish what he started, then.
Same here. Retcon it all immediately afterwards if you really must, but give me some goddamn closure on David.
*Recontextualisation.
Huh?
E.G.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 11, 2019, 04:56:24 PM
My idea extension:
Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Push the creator, creation angle even farther by revealing the SJ's created the Engineers eons ago, some cataclysm happened and they disappeared. They discovered the Alien, it destroyed them. The Engineers, millennia later inherited their technology.
The Pathogen, which the SJs derived from the Alien, somehow (the audience isn't told) is all that remains of that Galactic extinction event. Ruins, and technological remains. The SJ's wanted to fight fire with fire with the Pathogen, but the Pathogen- although destructive to worlds- couldn't infect or best the Alien. In fact it always worked it's way towards something resembling the Alien more and more with each use. All the Space Jockey's race die, all but a few. They're effectively extinct.
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So the Engineers, in their hubris- flying too close to the sun, make the same mistakes in using this almost "seductively" powerful Pathogen, believing they can control it- it leaves their civilizations in ruins LV-223 being the source of the main disaster, which they abandon. So obviously they banish the Wolf, undo their creation but in the process become the insular and primitive society we see in Covenant.
David gets the wrong end of the stick, believes he's creating something original but in reality it is guiding him to almost supernaturally, resurrect the Alien from extinction.
He would realise this when he discovers the Derelict, or the Derelict discovers him- and that would be his grand downfall- not just physically but mentally.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 18, 2019, 08:32:16 PM
You don't need to retcon and make it so the story never happened, just retroactively change the context of the story.
Or even make that part of the story; e.g.
Oh right. I don't want either retcon or recontextualisation, but given the context of "reeeee david bad burn it down", i was saying i need closure on the prequels before the "90% who hate it" move on to other stories and/or erase things.
What I want with the new regime a fresh start. If you want to start anew, you don't finish an "origin movie" trilogy.
Whatever, probably in some 6 years we can have our reboot/relaunch of Alien and Predator.
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 18, 2019, 08:51:57 PM
What I want with the new regime a fresh start. If you want to start anew, you don't finish an "origin movie" trilogy.
Whatever, probably in some 6 years we can have our reboot/relaunch of Alien and Predator.
Thing is, a fresh start can happen at any point in time, while the clock is ticking for another ridley/fassbender joint. One of those options leaves prequel fans hanging forever, the other leaves Fresh Starters hanging for a few years, and doesn't actually preclude other non-David stuff being made in that time, technically.
One can have a sequel in form of a book/novel. Might turn out better than the movie, for both people that like the prequels and those that don't.
Nar, we need one more film with fassy. After that you guys can do whatever you like.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2019, 08:57:51 PM
One can have a sequel in form of a book/novel. Might turn out better than the movie, for both people that like the prequels and those that don't.
Yeah, ADF can write it and fix this shitshow.
ADF. :D
Repairs. :D
Original Alien Story. :D
M'boy ADF aka Mr. Damage Control aka He who did nothing wrong. He can write a sequel to the Alien Covenant novel and finish David's story.
No thank you. ADF's mediocre.
And the original novel (Origins)' garbage, and a no good indicator.
I really wish that that two Alien series rumor had had some weight to it. Would have been nice to have had concurrent projects, one from Ridley finishing off his arc (I'd be down to see it concluded in film or as a series) and one going off in a different direction to tell an entirely separate story.
But since that doesn't seem to be the case, I absolutely want to see Ridley's arc completed before we move off into whatever new direction they eventually plan on going in. And I'm all for new directions; the major appeal of the Alien franchise, for me at least, is seeing it reinterpreted with unique visions by different filmmakers. So let's finish up the current ongoing vision that is Ridley's prequel story, and then hand it off to the next set of filmmakers for their take on things.
Don't even remember the last movie Ridley made that wasn't mediocre. Gladiator I guess, don't remember more recent ones.
After Gladiator? Black Hawk Down, Kingdom of Heaven DC, American Gangster, Body of Lies or The Martian?
Spoiler
Prologue: The Crossing, Perhaps?
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 18, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
No thank you. ADF's mediocre.
And the original novel (Origins)' garbage, and a no good indicator.
I thought it was good fun, despite some truly shit dialogue. Should have just been a standalone sci fi thriller rather than a licensed book though.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2019, 09:27:03 PM
I really wish that that two Alien series rumor had had some weight to it. Would have been nice to have had concurrent projects, one from Ridley finishing off his arc (I'd be down to see it concluded in film or as a series) and one going off in a different direction to tell an entirely separate story.
But since that doesn't seem to be the case, I absolutely want to see Ridley's arc completed before we move off into whatever new direction they eventually plan on going in. And I'm all for new directions; the major appeal of the Alien franchise, for me at least, is seeing it reinterpreted with unique visions by different filmmakers. So let's finish up the current ongoing vision that is Ridley's prequel story, and then hand it off to the next set of filmmakers for their take on things.
This guy gets it.
The Martian?
Excellent film.
Exodus?
lol No.
The director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven is fantastic.
I'd like to see more users take this poll to get a clearer picture of what the fans want.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=58632.0 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=58632.0)
As far as what the more casual fans want, I think that's obvious. They want Blomkamp's idea - nostalgia, Ripley, Newt, Hicks, marines, action, popcorn, happy feelings in their tummies.
I really think bringing Ripley and the marines back is the most safe and crowd-pleasing thing they could do at this point. I don't want that, but I really picture Disney pushing for it.
First and Last.
Quote from: David's Creation on Mar 18, 2019, 11:11:20 PM
I'd like to see more users take this poll to get a clearer picture of what the fans want.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=58632.0 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=58632.0)
As far as what the more casual fans want, I think that's obvious. They want Blomkamp's idea - nostalgia, Ripley, Newt, Hicks, marines, action, popcorn, happy feelings in their tummies.
I really think bringing Ripley and the marines back is the most safe and crowd-pleasing thing they could do at this point. I don't want that, but I really picture Disney pushing for it.
Ya, this is the direction they should go in. 100%
What do you mean they're cancelling the second tv series? I thought the first was that Isolation thing and the second was tba.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 19, 2019, 01:26:48 AM
What do you mean they're cancelling the second tv series? I thought the first was that Isolation thing and the second was tba.
The two TV show rumor and the Isolation digital series were two entirely different things. We haven't had any word from Fox on the potential TV shows.
I would assume those rumours formed around the time Alien: Isolation - The Digital Series and the Alien 40th Anniversary Tongal Shorts were in production. Though hopefully down the track we get more of both animated and live action episodic series's.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 19, 2019, 01:45:51 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 19, 2019, 01:26:48 AM
What do you mean they're cancelling the second tv series? I thought the first was that Isolation thing and the second was tba.
The two TV show rumor and the Isolation digital series were two entirely different things. We haven't had any word from Fox on the potential TV shows.
As it stands, AFAIK, no there's no weight behind it. There's always something being talked about but how far that goes is another question. With the Disney merger, I really wouldn't expect something big, including TV shows, until all the dust has settled.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 18, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
No thank you. ADF's mediocre.
And the original novel (Origins)' garbage, and a no good indicator.
Sacrilege. I would love to see ADF tackle an original novel where he actually gets to use the Aliens. Yeah, Origins is poor. It's a poor indicator of what Alien-less stories in the Alien universe can be and it's a poor indicator of ADF's ability to write an original "Alien" novel. But I'd love to see him actually get to do a proper one.
Quote from: David's Creation on Mar 18, 2019, 05:54:04 PM
Really? "90% of Alien fans" would agree that Ridley's efforts need to die on a cliffhanger because they were just that awful? I doubt that.
It baffles me that people consider The Predator and Covenant to be in the same league of crap.
Aye, in terms of the bigger polls it's never been anywhere near that clear. It sits around the 50/50 mark of people who love/hate the prequels. There's no clear big picture.
What Hicks said. There's no general consensus.
It's nothing like how Predator 2 smashes Predators in the polls. Now that's a landslide!
Spoiler
;D
It's a done deal!Fox announced when it goes into effect:
The Walt Disney Company's ("Disney") acquisition of 21CF will become effective at 12:02 a.m. Eastern Time tomorrow, March 20, 2019.https://www.21cf.com/news/21st-century-fox/2019/21st-century-fox-announces-completion-of-distribution-in-connection-with-disney-acquisition/
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 18, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
No thank you. ADF's mediocre.
And the original novel (Origins)' garbage, and a no good indicator.
Origins was crap, but ADF is anything but mediocre.
They should've let him do the david/shaw juggernaut journey.
Colossal waste of talent and time writing that origins novel.
Well the merger is official. Disney n Fox are one. Happy birthday to me
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 20, 2019, 12:08:04 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 18, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
No thank you. ADF's mediocre.
And the original novel (Origins)' garbage, and a no good indicator.
Origins was crap, but ADF is anything but mediocre.
They should've let him do the david/shaw juggernaut journey.
Colossal waste of talent and time writing that origins novel.
We have not yet witnessed ADF's final form. He has always been too limited by what Fox dictates his novels must follow. He proved he deserves to write an original idea of his own with aliens by what he did on the Alien Covenant novelization.
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 20, 2019, 12:40:18 AM
Well the merger is official. Disney n Fox are one. Happy birthday to me
Not yet! Two and a half hours to go till Xeno's giggle when you tickle!
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Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Mar 20, 2019, 12:40:18 AM
Well the merger is official. Disney n Fox are one. Happy birthday to me
Not yet! Two and a half hours to go till Xeno's giggle when you tickle!
I have doubts that things could get any worse.
So how long until Dark Horse's A & P license deal runs out and A & P like Star Wars moves over to Marvel comics. (Not thrilled).
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 20, 2019, 01:08:13 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 20, 2019, 12:08:04 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 18, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
No thank you. ADF's mediocre.
And the original novel (Origins)' garbage, and a no good indicator.
Origins was crap, but ADF is anything but mediocre.
They should've let him do the david/shaw juggernaut journey.
Colossal waste of talent and time writing that origins novel.
We have not yet witnessed ADF's final form. He has always been too limited by what Fox dictates his novels must follow. He proved he deserves to write an original idea of his own with aliens by what he did on the Alien Covenant novelization.
100% sure Disney will let him go wild with a novel.
Someone shared this in the Facebook group. Go vote for Alien!
(...or Predator, I guess.) ;)
https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/1051003-poll-which-20th-century-fox-franchise-should-disney-prioritize?fbclid=IwAR1C_cXHKwhoa6J0xymTu_HLlAUGshIwKnBRvIy9houWoou-o0mCEe6JkWI (https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/1051003-poll-which-20th-century-fox-franchise-should-disney-prioritize?fbclid=IwAR1C_cXHKwhoa6J0xymTu_HLlAUGshIwKnBRvIy9houWoou-o0mCEe6JkWI)
Quote from: David's Creation on Mar 20, 2019, 01:51:28 AM
Someone shared this in the Facebook group. Go vote for Alien!
(...or Predator, I guess.) ;)
https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/1051003-poll-which-20th-century-fox-franchise-should-disney-prioritize?fbclid=IwAR1C_cXHKwhoa6J0xymTu_HLlAUGshIwKnBRvIy9houWoou-o0mCEe6JkWI (https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/1051003-poll-which-20th-century-fox-franchise-should-disney-prioritize?fbclid=IwAR1C_cXHKwhoa6J0xymTu_HLlAUGshIwKnBRvIy9houWoou-o0mCEe6JkWI)
I voted alien
I didn't figure there was any point in voting for predator after what just happened with the last film. I imagine Disney saw that as a clear sign to stay away.
Xmen is in the lead, naturally. C'mon, we've had tons of those films already. Enough teen superheroes, give us sci-fi horror.
We all know X-Men is going to be their top priority anyway. It shouldn't even be on this poll.
Quote from: David's Creation on Mar 20, 2019, 02:06:04 AM
We all know X-Men is going to be their top priority anyway. It shouldn't even be on this poll.
It's 24% to 11% in favor of fantastic 4 over Alien.
Fantastic 4?
I fear for our species and the art of film.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 20, 2019, 01:58:22 AM
Quote from: David's Creation on Mar 20, 2019, 01:51:28 AM
Someone shared this in the Facebook group. Go vote for Alien!
(...or Predator, I guess.) ;)
https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/1051003-poll-which-20th-century-fox-franchise-should-disney-prioritize?fbclid=IwAR1C_cXHKwhoa6J0xymTu_HLlAUGshIwKnBRvIy9houWoou-o0mCEe6JkWI (https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/1051003-poll-which-20th-century-fox-franchise-should-disney-prioritize?fbclid=IwAR1C_cXHKwhoa6J0xymTu_HLlAUGshIwKnBRvIy9houWoou-o0mCEe6JkWI)
I voted alien
I didn't figure there was any point in voting for predator after what just happened with the last film. I imagine Disney saw that as a clear sign to stay away.
Listen to you. The same thing can be said of Alien Covenant. Just say you voted Alien cuz you love Alien.
And this new Terminator greenlit so soon after the Terminator Genisys debacle gives me hope for both franchises.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 20, 2019, 02:17:58 AMIt's 24% to 11% in favor of fantastic 4 over Alien.
Fantastic 4?
I fear for our species and the art of film.
We've had enough good Alien movies, we can die in peace. We're still to have a single Fantastic 4 good movie.
Fair point! :)
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 20, 2019, 02:30:32 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 20, 2019, 02:17:58 AMIt's 24% to 11% in favor of fantastic 4 over Alien.
Fantastic 4?
I fear for our species and the art of film.
We've had enough good Alien movies, we can die in peace. We're still to have a single Fantastic 4 good movie.
Exactly. One is hopeless, one is not.
Ya, Galactus should have been ... Galactus.
A better idea would have been separating marvel content and having two polls, for sure.
Certainly. The Marvel properties are going to go to Marvel, Star Wars to Lucas and Avatar will be absorbed into the Disney brand. The rest is where the most uncertainty lies.
So what's gonna happen with Predator?
No idea at the minute. We imagine all the none-Disney brands will continue under the 20th Century Fox banner but we don't know yet.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2019, 11:19:24 AM
No idea at the minute. We imagine all the none-Disney brands will continue under the 20th Century Fox banner but we don't know yet.
As of March 7th:
Later in the meeting, Iger said that Disney plans to keep some of the 20th Century Fox-related brand names alive for some productions.
"There will be businesses within the company that still have the Fox name on them, particularly on the movie side," Iger said. "We will continue to make the movies under the Fox brand and Fox Searchlight brand. FX will keep its name too."https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/disney-star-wars-galaxys-edge-shareholders-meeting-1203157336/
We'll likely be getting a lot of info from the upcoming investors day set for April 11
Indeed!
QuoteTopic: Disney in talks to buy Fox. What could this mean for Alien and Predator?
Nothing good i feel.
A sad day, the monopoly disney making is terrible, not only fro ma legal standpoint but certainly from an artistic one too, given that it destroys everything it touches.
Quote from: D88M on Mar 20, 2019, 08:38:36 PM
A sad day, the monopoly disney making is terrible, not only fro ma legal standpoint but certainly from an artistic one too, given that it destroys everything it touches.
My worst fear is that everyone knows this is true... but they just don't care because this means Wolverine can stand on screen next to Captain America.
Indeed. Why A/P has to be screwed up just because of Marvel fans? It's unfair.
So, Dark Ages of Alien and Predator is beginning ... right now.
But will the series be signing off for now?
Quote from: D88M on Mar 20, 2019, 08:38:36 PM
A sad day, the monopoly disney making is terrible, not only fro ma legal standpoint but certainly from an artistic one too, given that it destroys everything it touches.
Would you have preferred the ineptly mismanaged Sony? How about the company responsible for SyFy? If memory serves right, those were basically the other two leading alternatives.
Fox was going to sell its film division to
someone, either way. Disney was the healthiest choice, given the alternatives.
The dark ages for the series began quite some time ago :D
It's not like Fox was on a winning streak with the AVPs ,The Predator and arguably the prequels.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 20, 2019, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: D88M on Mar 20, 2019, 08:38:36 PM
A sad day, the monopoly disney making is terrible, not only fro ma legal standpoint but certainly from an artistic one too, given that it destroys everything it touches.
Would you have preferred the ineptly mismanaged Sony? How about the company responsible for SyFy? If memory serves right, those were basically the other two leading alternatives.
Bah, horrible alternatives.
A new era begins for better or for worse, Will Disney Allow Fox to follow through on Alien Prequels/Alien Sequels, Predator Sequels, AVP Cross overs. Or reboot both franchises entirely, only time will tell.
The pearl-clutching in this thread is
hilarious.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 20, 2019, 08:55:19 PM
Indeed. Why A/P has to be screwed up just because of Marvel fans? It's unfair.
What in God's name does this sentence even mean? It's so bizarre and random.
It's not like the franchise has been in good hands.
I'm open to oblivion at this point. We've already received perfection.
Quote from: Naginata on Mar 20, 2019, 09:36:52 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 20, 2019, 08:55:19 PM
Indeed. Why A/P has to be screwed up just because of Marvel fans? It's unfair.
What in God's name are you talking about? Like, I literally don't understand what that sentence means; it's a complete non-sequitur.
Really? Not intentional. Don't mind me talking bullshit sometimes.
It's not that I disagree with what you said; it's that I have no opinion whatsoever because I don't understand what you said. Like, what does Marvel have to do with anything? Because of the X-Men franchise? How does that 'ruin' A/P? What point were you trying to make? It was just three random statements, and it confused the shit out of me, lol.
No offense intended, you understand; I'm not being mean, just trying to understand the post so I can so I can say something more substantive than "... huh?" :P
Well, i meant that (at least IMO) a lot more money and creative effort will be spent on Marvel stuff than on A/P because it is considered as more profitable.
Are you a Marvel fan by the way? Just curious
@ Kradan
To a point, I see how there's concern that Disney/Fox would have little regard for the Brands however there's still a market and active fan base.
It would be ideal for Disney/Fox to be cautionary with their budget only spending whats needed not going over budget. Two hundred million dollar budgets doesn't guarantee quality. If they utilize the appropriate creative team they could reclaim the glory that the early Alien and Predator movies have accomplished. Unlikely but still a possibility.
A first causality announced about an hour ago likely related to the Disney takeover.
The Predator community ap is closing, and moving to web based.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 20, 2019, 10:06:15 PM
Well, i meant that (at least IMO) a lot more money and creative effort will be spent on Marvel stuff than on A/P because it is considered as more profitable.
Are you a Marvel fan by the way? Just curious
They
are more profitable. That's not an opinion, it's just a fact. A/P are R-rated science-fiction horror films with major sequel-itus issues and a bleak tone. "Good-looking super hero wins the day in spectacular action sequence while saying funny shit" is naturally gonna sell more tickets than "metrosexual android kills everyone with dick monsters
because the gods are dead and the universe hates you."
I mean, I know which
I prefer... ;D
... But for a general audience, the latter is a tougher sell than the former. And the thing is, that's true regardless of whether Disney owns Fox - you'll never see an Alien movie with a $400 million budget (plus advertising blitz) because no Alien movie will ever pull in $2 billion at the box office. That was true pre-buyout, and it'll still be true going forward.
So, like... what's changed, really?
As for Marvel movies? Eh, they're fine. The formula is getting pretty stale, and there are definite problems with how over-produced they feel (also,
Christ is the color palette ugly), but in general they're well-made superhero movies. My objections to 'the MCU' are more about Disney's monopoly on entertainment than the movies themselves. I don't like the 'movies-by-assembly-line' aesthetic they've come to represent, and I don't want one company holding all the cards in entertainment.
But again, I don't think Alien or Predator are going to be in worse shape than they already are as a consequence of being indirectly owned by said company.
Think they will keep it? Think they will sell it?
Quote from: Richman678 on Mar 21, 2019, 12:03:22 AM
Think they will keep it? Think they will sell it?
They'll keep it and shelve it indefinitely.
... Until they figure out how they can make money with it. I give it a couple years, tops.
I think we're about to enter into a new golden era.
I think we're likely to see an uptick in content, how good any of it'll be is likely as much of a dice roll as it's always been.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 20, 2019, 10:56:35 PM
A first causality announced about an hour ago likely related to the Disney takeover.
The Predator community ap is closing, and moving to web based.
That App was pretty dead anyway, since a while after The Predator came out. Can't remember the last updates.
I just hope to God they don't go the boring route and make 'Aliens 2.' :P
Agreed. Ugh, worst timeline. lol
Quote from: Naginata on Mar 21, 2019, 01:13:24 AM
I just hope to God they don't go the boring route and make 'Aliens 2.' :P
God knows we wouldn't want to put any people in theatres. ::)
Aliens and Predator franchises are in desperate need of a crowdpleaser.
Fury Road's a crowdpleaser.
Crowdpleaser ≠ plebeian.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 02:04:45 AM
Fury Road's a crowdpleaser.
Crowdpleaser ≠ plebeian.
Good example, it's certainly ideal to have a movie that's both crowd-pleasing and well-crafted.
You can have an Aliens 2 that's crowd pleasing and well-crafted regardless of how much one might despise the concept.
I don't like it =/= "plebeian".
Quote from: The Old One on May 29, 2018, 03:24:54 AM
An Aliens inspired film, I'd be all for-
just not with Sigourney Weaver.
I think it would be better if we just established new characters, to me Alien should be like an ongoing anthology series where we don't focus on one group of people/character endlessly surviving the Alien.
The main attraction being that the creative team is different enough to be distinct for each entry.
The problem with the Alien films since 1997+ isn't that they haven't got Ellen Ripley but that they aren't good films in their own right. It's the same as the Ridley Scott "The Alien is cooked." Discussion; it's not the ideas but their execution.
Conversely the Neill Blomkamp's Alien idea, is plebeian.
...how? ???
No aliens 2 please.
I don't want to see alien turned into fallen kingdom, and quite frankly, I don't think they'd invest the money to make an alien movie that big anyway. Nor do I think the studio would be brave enough to have it earn its "r" rating like the original did. It might say R, but it would really just be a slightly heavier pg-13.
You can make all the art house films or continuity heavy sub-textual masterpieces you want. Problem is that for as much as we would enjoy it, that wont make money to be worth the investment nor will the GA be thinking about it as much as we do when it's over. We are also in an age where we can market the shit out of a product and Disney is going to be looking at the opportunity for that as well. You can't do an ALIENS style marketing maneuver with the Prequels.
At this point, Disney has to play it safe because the GA was not invested in the prequels. If that was the case we would have a trilogy by now, but now we are under new management. Now yes the Murdoch's would've sold regardless, but we would've kicked things into high-gear assuming the prequels had been a smash hit and we didn't. That trilogy never happened. It never sold or was as well received as it should've been and it for damn sure wasn't as marketable. As much as it hurts to hear, ALIENS was a marketing juggernaut and still is. That is what the GA thinks of when they hear "Xenomorph" and so in order to get people in the theater, you just gotta bite the bullet.
The series is auteur central.
And Prometheus misdirected the GA, easily.
(Alien 1979)
Aliens released 1986 regardless, the younger generation's no nostalgia.
(Alien³ 1992)
I don't get where the idea these films have ever been intended as anything other than "crowd-pleasing" for their respective audiences comes from. Alien's intent was to scare the shit out of people, period, not incite deep philosophical discussion. There's lots of subtext throughout, mostly brought to life in the art design, but at its core they wanted to make a movie that people who like scary films would enjoy. And they nailed it.
Intention ≠ result.
The prequels never made it to the finish line because they stumbled right out of the gate. I don't even have to list the narrative shitups made by Prometheus. Then covenant came along as a pathetic attempt to regain footing by shoehorning xenos into a trilogy that obviously didn't want them, and they tried to sell all of this to the wrong audience.
You have the original director and an audience that's been waiting since 1997, some since 1993, and the series goes spiraling so far off into left field that you couldn't even recognize it.
Ridley was one of the key creators. He also may turn out to be one of the key people who killed it.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 03:09:02 AM
Intention ≠ result.
Yeah but it really is in this case. They wanted to make a great scary movie and they did. That's why the film was successful; it was a well made scary movie with some really cool set pieces and designs. It was well directed, acted, photographed. People didn't walk out of theatres talking about the deeper implications and ramifications of AI, or man's place in the universe; they checked under their cars for space bugs and slept with the lights on in case the Alien popped out of the hallway.
The way some people talk about it, you'd think
Alien was an experimental 70s arthouse picture.
I don't see Prometheus as "crowd-pleasing", Ridley did that one because he is into ancient astronauts stuff and well he is Ridley Scoot so Fox doesn't care if he hijackers the alien franchise for that. Alien 3 was more like "lets milk what we can from ALIENS's sucess without making it big". AVPR was made with just the hope of getting some money with some low budget, they knew people wouldn't like it from the start. Another reason why they failed.
It's really this simple.
There was a time when movies were meant to be different. Now they're meant to be the same.
You had ET, but you also had Alien and The Thing. There was more on the plate.
It's all marshmallows and no crunchy wheat now. If it's not a family friendly adventure film, it's niche cinema.
Next movie has to be crowdpleasing. If it manages to, whatever means they used to achieve that, that's perfect to me.
Doesn't need to be a terribly big crowd, either. Just enough to earn money.
The era's irrelevant.
Safe films always annihilate unsafe films.
1982?
E.T destroyed The Thing.
2014?
Lucy destroyed Under The Skin.
Did UTS even get a wide release?
Yes Sorta.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Skin_(2013_film)
That shout out they gave aliens in infinity war was a clue, I'd say.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 03:27:05 AM
The era's irrelevant.
Safe films always annihilate unsafe films.
1982?
E.T destroyed The Thing.
2014?
Lucy destroyed Under The Skin.
Yes, and look at how beloved the thing is now.
There should always be room at the big boys table for that which is artistically risky and significant.
Annihilation might've took a knock at the BO, but it deserved to be made and stands tall in a sea of Michael Bay style films. It didn't have the budget of transformers, but just look at the difference.
Or Blade Runner 2049. Big budget, but underperformed. But damned if it's not a superior film that will only gather more respect as it ages. Will it happen again? No, but it should.
And I do think we've entered an era where films and lineups are becoming grossly formulaic. Just look at what happened to The Meg.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 03:40:20 AM
Yes Sorta.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Skin_(2013_film)
140 screens, that's pathetic :'(
If Disney's Alien is safe. My commercial film interest is vapor lol.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 03:47:12 AM
If Disney's Alien is safe. My commercial film interest is vapor lol.
They'll make aliens 2. And it will be a very, very light R.
As for formulaic, forget the meg, look what happened to the predator. Tried to turn it into iron man.
I feel like my grandkids are gonna look at me one day and say "what was the deal with the humor back then? Did every movie have to be funny?"
It is Disney...
But...
It's current year and Blade Runner Blackout, 2049, Love Death and Robots, Annihilation, Black Mirror, Cyberpunk 2077, Under the Skin, Moon, Fury Road, Dredd, The Witch, NBC's Hannibal, The Skin I Live in and Raw exist though!
Hope exists.
Now. lol
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 03:55:17 AM
It is Disney...
But...
It's current year and Blade Runner Blackout, 2049, Love Death and Robots, Annihilation, Black Mirror, Cyberpunk 2077, exist though!
And after the performance of BR2049 and Annihilation, what are the odds we ever see more? Hell, it even happens with television. Hannibal was cancelled. Cancelled! While TWD soldiers on.
To be fair, Annihilation was pretty lame and deserved a middling reception.
Blade Runner wasn't even popular in '82, let alone now. That was always a dumb idea to spend that much money on that film.
To be fair.
Annihilation's a good exploration of relationships.
A Blade Runner sequel, is a bad idea.
Good result, though.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2019, 04:05:55 AM
To be fair, Annihilation was pretty lame and deserved a middling reception.
Blade Runner wasn't even popular in '82, let alone now. That was always a dumb idea to spend that much money on that film.
Guy Ritchie has that beat.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 04:07:45 AM
To be fair.
Spoiler
Wrong.
Right. It's a dull film that's nowhere near as clever or deep as it thinks it is, and was a sore disappointment coming from the same person as
Ex Machina.
Okie Dokie. lol
::)
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 04:07:45 AM
Annihilation's a good exploration of relationships.
I'll grant it's an exploration.
Annihilation Film > Book
Annihilation > Ex Machina
The Skin I Live in > Ex Machina
It had its faults. I think the bear was grossly overrated, but not every thought provoking film has to be as deep as the dark knight.
No, it is imperfect. I agree.
It's no masterpiece and it's overrated but it's a original film concept, the refraction and again the utilisation; exploration of association, is excellent.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2019, 04:05:55 AM
Blade Runner wasn't even popular in '82, let alone now. That was always a dumb idea to spend that much money on that film.
Well weren't there many movies that were considered poor back then like Predator that soon turned into iconic cultural phenomenons with Blade Runner being one of them. Sounded like a risk gone right to me. Especially with the current one. I saw lots of people loving that movie when I talked to them about it.
Ironic though that while it was strongly positive critic and normal reviewers alike, it disappointed in the Box Office. I still consider that a win cuz I prefer good movies that did mediocre money wins than studios shitting out piss poor milked out ones cuz it grossed over a billion dollars or some nonsense like that.....looking at you Avatar
The home theater market is having an effect. There are a lot of people I know who don't go to the theater as often as they used to due to advances in home theater gear. Some gave it up completely. You can get a 55" hdtv and a bluray player for $500 out the door. Why not sit at home in the a.c. and near your own personal kitchen and bathroom?
Predator was a success on release, for what it's worth.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2019, 04:57:03 AM
Predator was a success on release, for what it's worth.
Arnold Schwarzenegger might've helped with that a little.
I emphasize a little.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2019, 04:05:55 AM
To be fair, Annihilation was pretty lame and deserved a middling reception.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2019, 03:33:00 AM
Did UTS even get a wide release?
Bruh. Wasn't perfect but it deffo wasn't lame.
I thought it was pretty damn lame.
Annihilation that is; UTS is beautiful.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 03:59:48 AM
It is Disney...
But...
It's current year and Blade Runner Blackout, 2049, Love Death and Robots, Annihilation, Black Mirror, Cyberpunk 2077, Under the Skin, Moon, Fury Road, Dredd, The Witch, NBC's Hannibal, The Skin I Live in and Raw exist though!
Hope exists.
Now. lol
Movies like Under The Skin, Ex Machina, Snowpiercer, etc. can achieve a different type of success, cult success, as opposed to being total box-office smashes. These movies were also way lower budget, with the exception of Blade Runner 2049, which although was a box office failure, may pay off in the very long run given its high reputation, just like the original. I do think the Alien franchise could use lower budgeted projects, as Prometheus and Covenant were both too bloated in production and marketing.
I do think you're seeing way more creative risk-taking on streaming platforms such as Netflix these days, which is likely one of the reasons why that market has been eating into cinemas as much as it is. Problem is, Alien is a big franchise, with lots of different expectations for it. If they want to do something heady and experimental, they should likely do so with a lower budget and potentially on a streaming platform.
If they want a box office smash? Aliens 2 would probably be the way to go at this point as many were burned out on the pompous nature of the prequels. Also, I don't think Aliens 2 automatically means such a film will lack sophistication entirely.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 20, 2019, 10:56:35 PM
A first causality announced about an hour ago likely related to the Disney takeover.
The Predator community ap is closing, and moving to web based.
Excellent. I really hate that TopFan platform.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 21, 2019, 02:09:16 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 02:04:45 AM
Fury Road's a crowdpleaser.
Crowdpleaser ≠ plebeian.
Good example, it's certainly ideal to have a movie that's both crowd-pleasing and well-crafted.
And Aliens isn't "plebeian" either. (Your British is showing.) Nor would Blomkamp sequel automatically be. I'm still not sold on it myself but come on, folk, let's give up with the Chicken Little assumptions. Disney owning Fox does not equate to the death of our franchise. There's no need to work yourselves up into a worry.
Agreed.
Neill Blomkamp's proposal is, though.
You got a hold of the whole treatment? Sweet, can you share it?
Shaka, When the Walls Fell.
I don't speak Star Trek quotes.
The beast at Tanagra.
Is there a reason you're avoiding having any kind of actual conversation?
Let's not be difficult, please.
The point is you don't actually know what Blomkamp's treatment/script actually looked like. To offer any definitive, absolute opinion is pointless because there's no basis for one.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 21, 2019, 12:21:24 PM
The point is you don't actually know what Blomkamp's treatment/script actually looked like. To offer any definitive, absolute opinion is pointless because there's no basis for one.
This ^.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tamarian_language
Shaka, When the Walls Fell. = Failure.
The beast at Tanagra. = A concern to rectify.
The idea of retconning Aliens and Alien³ so a family return is a plebeian proposal.
Thanks for clarifying, but neither of those things are really responses to what I actually said. And, like I said -- I don't speak Star Trek quotes, I prefer conversations in English (And broken French and the occasional mutilated Russian exchange).
A monster on a spaceship killing a hapless crew one-by-one is also a plebeian proposal, that doesn't mean you can't make a good film out of it.
"You got a hold of the whole treatment? Sweet, can you share it?"
"Shaka, When the Walls Fell." = Failure/No/Negative.
"I don't speak Star Trek quotes."
"The beast at Tanagra." = A concern to rectify.
I disagree, Alien's inception is unique.
Quote"I don't speak Star Trek quotes."
"The beast at Tanagra." = A concern to rectify.
"I don't speak Star Trek quotes."
"[continues speaking in Star Trek quotes]"
Tad frustrating, you must understand :laugh:
I've seen far more monster on a spaceship movies than I have "retcon a franchise mid-stream and only ignore select entries", so in terms of what's more base --
Alien still takes the cake. ;D
It's the execution that elevates.
... I don't think Blomkamp himself would be capable
of elevating it based on his track record, but few ideas are truly hopeless. This isn't one of them, much as I dislike it. A good film could be made of the idea.
"You blow, I'll do the fingering."
OK, fine -- English, broken French, mutilated Russian exchanges and Alien franchise quotes ;D
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 21, 2019, 01:05:18 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 20, 2019, 10:56:35 PM
A first causality announced about an hour ago likely related to the Disney takeover.
The Predator community ap is closing, and moving to web based.
That App was pretty dead anyway, since a while after The Predator came out. Can't remember the last updates.
On the official news article side of the Official Predator Ap, agreed, no updates, because there hasn't been any new news.
But on the community tab, you couldn't be more wrong brother. That tab is always been hopping,
daily. Check it out youself.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
... I don't think Neill Blomkamp himself would be capable of elevating it based on his track record,
but few ideas are truly hopeless. This isn't one of them, much as I dislike it. A good film could be made of the idea.
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The problem with your argumentation in all of this The Old One is that you're treating any of these films as if they were written based on someone's initial vision of where the story should go. It is as if you think that retconning something interferes with some sort of sacred golden path. That is not the case. Every instalment has been patchwork. Aliens was exceptionally good in that overall palimpsest of a story. The overall story never achieved that height of brilliance since that moment, even with the instalment of 6 films.
Alien 3 does not reflect the original intent of the series any more than any of the other films. It is just somebody's interpretation of where things could go. It was a film made, ad hoc, so that the studio could cash in on the success of the previous film's success. It wasn't about respecting some grand design. They just wanted to throw some more violence on the screen and close up the circle.
Likely, the studio figured that there weren't enough sophisticated people interested in the series, and they were happy to put out a simple, relatively inexpensive slasher film to cash in. That's plebeian right there for you.
Retconning would actually show a level of care about the brilliant continuity that went before it. It will bring in the masses to the theatre, granted, but it would also appeal to an audience that has a more discerning taste and sensibility. ...always assuming that the film is good. Nobody can judge that because none of us actually knows the story... presumably.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 21, 2019, 03:15:26 PM
The problem with your argumentation in all of this The Old One is that you're treating any of these films as if they were written based on someone's initial vision of where the story should go.
Incorrect assumption.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 21, 2019, 03:15:26 PM
Retconning would actually show a level of care about the brilliant continuity that went before it.
It will bring in the masses to the theatre, granted, but it would also appeal to an audience
that has a more discerning taste and sensibility.
No, the reverse.
The Old One. I think you're all right and I respect your opinions. But we're never going to agree on these points.
How do I explain myself better? This is not Harry Potter where one person had a vision and carried it through to the end with a series of books that were a product of her own vision and her imagination alone. The series of films are more or less an exact representation of that vision, as they should be. It is because there was "intent" from the get go. There was a blueprint. If you were to say it is wrong to retcon a Harry Potter film and go off on a different tangent, I would say you're right. That does not apply to the Aliens series.
Do you honestly think that Alien 3 reflects the original vision of Scott, Giler, Hill, O'Bannon, or even Giger from 1979? It's a random story that can be spun a thousand different ways.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 21, 2019, 05:11:27 PM
The Old One. I think you're all right and I respect your opinions. But we're never going to agree on these points.
How do I explain myself better? This is not Harry Potter where one person had a vision and carried it through to the end with a series of books that were a product of her own vision and her imagination alone. The series of films are more or less an exact representation of that vision, as they should be. It is because there was "intent" from the get go. There was a blueprint. If you were to say it is wrong to retcon a Harry Potter film and go off on a different tangent, I would say you're right. That does not apply to the Aliens series.
Do you honestly think that Alien 3 reflects the original vision of Scott, Giler, Hill, O'Bannon, or even Giger from 1979? It's a random story that can be spun a thousand different ways.
You make some good points.
Yes, as much as Alien and Aliens.
Alien 3 is more alien than aliens.
Except for the complete lack of suspense.
Local in with da smackdown!!
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 21, 2019, 06:09:30 PM
Except for the complete lack of suspense.
Or the theme park atmosphere of Cameron's film.
Quantify it.
To myself, all three films have none but all three immerse me in their atmosphere, I completely believe them and it's over before I know it. Especially the third.
If you're talking about making me nervous or on edge, Possession (1982) takes the cake.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
Quantify suspense.
The music is scarier ;)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 06:12:18 PM
Local in with da smackdown!!
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Misses. Trips. Falls out window. Lands in manure truck. ;D
Aliens is light years better than Alien3... 4,000 to be exact.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 07:03:53 PM
Aliens is light years better than Alien3... 4,000 to be exact.
Indeed, to the south.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 07:03:53 PM
Aliens is light years better than Alien3... 4,000 to be exact.
Indeed, to the south.
Between that and your Terminator Salvation defense, you have just earned yourself a new rank:
Corporal Bat Sh*t Crazy!
;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 07:13:37 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 07:03:53 PM
Aliens is light years better than Alien3... 4,000 to be exact.
Indeed, to the south.
Between that and your Terminator Salvation defense, you have just earned yourself a new rank:
Corporal Bat Sh*t Crazy!
;D
I accept the nomination!
Although lieutenant batsh*t or captain crazy sounds better.
I'll take them both as aliases.
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 21, 2019, 01:49:57 AM
Quote from: Naginata on Mar 21, 2019, 01:13:24 AM
I just hope to God they don't go the boring route and make 'Aliens 2.' :P
God knows we wouldn't want to put any people in theatres. ::)
It can feature marines, it can mimic the feel of Aliens, it can be a crowd-pleaser; none of that is the issue. When I say 'Aliens 2' I mean 'hacky nostalgia grab with all of the trademarks and none of the spark.' Think 'Stasis Interrupted" from CM (or hell, that game's story in general). Endlessly regurgitating the second movie's style with none of its substance.
In other words, I want them to make a good Alien movie, not a mediocre movie with a ton of callbacks/references; that way lies madness.
... Or worse,
Ready Player One. :P
Good way of putting it.
Quote from: Naginata on Mar 21, 2019, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 21, 2019, 01:49:57 AM
Quote from: Naginata on Mar 21, 2019, 01:13:24 AM
I just hope to God they don't go the boring route and make 'Aliens 2.' :P
God knows we wouldn't want to put any people in theatres. ::)
It can feature marines, it can mimic the feel of Aliens, it can be a crowd-pleaser; none of that is the issue. When I say 'Aliens 2' I mean 'hacky nostalgia grab with all of the trademarks and none of the spark.' Think 'Stasis Interrupted" from CM (or hell, that game's story in general). Endlessly regurgitating the second movie's style with none of its substance.
In other words, I want them to make a good Alien movie, not a mediocre movie with a ton of callbacks/references; that way lies madness.
... Or worse, Ready Player One. :P
Ready Player One gets a pass though , because the whole point of the movie involves callbacks and shout outs and tributes. It's not some movie that supposed to be its own thing but is over indulging in paying tribute to other films and franchises, or in the case of an aliens film, other alien movies.
The whole point of that movie is to make references to popular culture.
I don't think it was the "whole point" of the movie and especially the book.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 09:50:14 PM
I don't think it was the "whole point" of the movie and especially the book.
It was big enough to warrant a pass.
Now an alien movie that over indulges to that extent, that would be a problem.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 10:06:52 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 09:50:14 PM
I don't think it was the "whole point" of the movie and especially the book.
It was big enough to warrant a pass.
I think that's more due to its context.
I mean, if "HEY, HERE'S AN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY THAT EXISTS" can be called 'a point,' I guess you're right...
(sorry, I just really hate that movie, and I find the book even worse, lol).
EDIT: Also, Voodoomagic, cool sig. I always thought it was weird how Pred faces looked different, but I never put 2-2 together that it was as simple as a V and an X before!
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 02:16:40 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
... I don't think Neill Blomkamp himself would be capable of elevating it based on his track record,
but few ideas are truly hopeless. This isn't one of them, much as I dislike it. A good film could be made of the idea.
https://i.giphy.com/media/3owzWgmZkAWxdj31lK/giphy.webp
I've been saying that for pages :P
Ready Player One used 80s pop culture as a big part of its background, but it was about the characters' journey and the human condition. I enjoyed the book and the movie.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 21, 2019, 03:16:42 AM
Ridley did that one because he is into ancient astronauts stuff
I'm not even convinced of that much. I think he likes bits and pieces of all different stuff, but not enough to properly explore each individual one. There were a lot of instances of dark mythology which could have been used for that film, but weren't. One of the things I was hoping for was Scott's yesteryear visual artistry being applied to visuals echoing throughout time of ET intervention. It could have been amazing. But all we got was a bloke in a loincloth chugging back some black soup from a pot. :-\
Ironically, the historical flashback scene in the first of the AVP films managed to create a better sense of an atmosphere.
There were actually some interesting quotes and such, in the original '
Engineers' script, which would have grounded it in a better sense of history, but which were removed in the altered, later story, Scott ultimately chose to film.
Along with the entire reason for the Engineer going psychotic...
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
The idea of retconning Aliens and Alien³ so a family return is a plebeian proposal.
Why blame Blomkamp for that? That's all on Weaver. His original story was Ripley-less.
And Weaver's been the one person consistently involved in the series, who has always praised the entire quadrilogy.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 06:13:02 PM
Or the theme park atmosphere of Cameron's film.
You must have visited some very disturbing and stress-inducing theme parks.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 22, 2019, 04:38:19 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 21, 2019, 03:16:42 AM
Ridley did that one because he is into ancient astronauts stuff
I'm not even convinced of that much. I think he likes bits and pieces of all different stuff, but not enough to properly explore each individual one. There were a lot of instances of dark mythology which could have been used for that film, but weren't. One of the things I was hoping for was Scott's yesteryear visual artistry being applied to visuals echoing throughout time of ET intervention. It could have been amazing. But all we got was a bloke in a loincloth chugging back some black soup from a pot. :-\
Ironically, the historical flashback scene in the first of the AVP films managed to create a better sense of an atmosphere.
There were actually some interesting quotes and such, in the original 'Engineers' script, which would have grounded it in a better sense of history, but which were removed in the altered, later story, Scott ultimately chose to film.
Along with the entire reason for the Engineer going psychotic...
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
The idea of retconning Aliens and Alien³ so a family return is a plebeian proposal.
Why blame Blomkamp for that? That's all on Weaver. His original story was Ripley-less.
And Weaver's been the one person consistently involved in the series, who has always praised the entire quadrilogy.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 06:13:02 PM
Or the theme park atmosphere of Cameron's film.
You must have visited some very disturbing and stress-inducing theme parks.
Ever been a hundred feet in the air, upside down, and hear the bolts rattling loose?
Yah! That is exactly my CNE experience last year!
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 21, 2019, 09:38:07 PM
Ready Player One gets a pass though , because the whole point of the movie involves callbacks and shout outs and tributes. It's not some movie that supposed to be its own thing but is over indulging in paying tribute to other films and franchises, or in the case of an aliens film, other alien movies.
The whole point of that movie is to make references to popular culture.
The thing is, is that it can be that but also be a good movie at the same time. But it wasn't. It was ok at best.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 21, 2019, 09:50:14 PM
I don't think it was the "whole point" of the movie and especially the book.
While it wasn't the whole point of the book, didn't Spielberg did say in an interview that this movie was meant for someone to go "I know that reference"?
Variety: Fox Layoffs Start Following Disney Deal – Variety.
https://variety-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/layoffs-hit-fox-after-disney-completes-deal-1203169337/amp/
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-leadership-fox-layoffs-1203169772/ (https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-leadership-fox-layoffs-1203169772/)
"Twentieth Century Fox will continue to be led by Vice Chairman, Twentieth Century Fox Film, and President, Production, Twentieth Century Fox, Emma Watts.
Fox Family will continue to be led by President Vanessa Morrison, reporting directly to Watts.
Fox Searchlight Pictures will continue to be led by Chairmen Nancy Utley and Stephen Gilula.
Fox 2000 will continue to be led by President of Production Elizabeth Gabler, overseeing the completion of the current slate."
It sounds like Elizabeth may have the only caveat, i.e. "the current slate". Her term may be limited.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 22, 2019, 04:38:19 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 21, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
The idea of retconning Aliens and Alien³ so a family return is a plebeian proposal.
Why blame Blomkamp for that? That's all on Weaver. His original story was Ripley-less.
Looking at the concept art that's been so far released, if you subtract the Ripley/Hicks likenesses in order to not be distracted by them while trying to glean the nature of the original script, what you get is a setting concurrent or slightly post-Alien 3 that doesn't retcon the existing films. ('existing' means the non-prequel films).
To wit: WY has already gotten it's grubby hands on not only the Alien but also the Space Jockey tech., and is busy exploiting them both in its bio-labs; the creature being mutated into a variety of experimental forms and a new SJ derelict being "grown" from scratch. Assuming that in the rewrite the Ripley character supplanted a role already plotted for someone else, there is a resistance fighter intent on sabotaging WY's efforts, with backup from a mercenary force.
Not much to go on, but OK so far.
This is the best compilation I've found of known facts about Blomkamp's Alien 5:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rhxOBNj2FDk
TC
Interesting.
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1108862781543968768
God, it sounds like a f**king blood bath atm.
I expected this, but I always hate to see it actually happen.
A bloodbath?
Indeed.
There's just a lot of tomato soup being thrown around.
Wait. Since when does blood take baths?
Alien storygroup incoming?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 22, 2019, 07:53:08 PM
Wait. Since when does blood take baths?
Enough.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 07:55:20 PM
Alien storygroup incoming?
They already have an Alien franchise team.
Wow, I was only following Huggsy's Tomato Soup lead. It's not easy being me. :'(
I hope that Dark Horse keeps the comics. Marvel comics are so bad right now.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 07:55:20 PM
Alien storygroup incoming?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 15, 2018, 10:49:33 AM
Maybe Disney can put the LFL Story Group in charge of the Alien brand after the acquisition gets finalized. They'll probably need a new name, though, if they're going to oversee another universe.
They might need to hire an SM too.
Quote from: dragonthingy on Mar 22, 2019, 09:28:11 PM
I hope that Dark Horse keeps the comics. Marvel comics are so bad right now.
Unfortunately I think that's a pipedream. :'(
Marvel probably can't wait to get a hold of Alien and Predator.
I hope the Amanda Ripley Chronicles finishes intact.
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Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 09:50:54 PM
I hope the Amanda Ripley Chronicles finishes intact.
What makes you think it'll ever finish? She lives to the ripe old age of 66, and that's only if Burke is to be believed.
Amanda could have ongoing adventures for
decades to come!
Oh boy. No thank you lol.
Isolation was enough.
And yet we keep getting more.
Probably because The Old One liked Isolation so much.
Isolation's great, but because of Amanda Ripley? No.
Again;
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 10, 2019, 02:09:46 PM
All entries in the series that have forced the inclusion of something/someone Ripley have suffered from it.
Isolation's a fluke, that succeeded because Amanda Ripley had no character- we filled her shoes.
So when she was saying goodbye to Ellen Ripley for the last time, so were we.
& Amanda Ripley's purpose is fulfilled narratively and thematically with that conclusion.
Indeed, Isolation Would've still been good even if the main character was Doug the one eyed deli guy.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 22, 2019, 10:56:48 PM
Isolations great, but not because of Amanda Ripley.
I don't think that's the message they received.
Misinterpretation's a bitch.
I think it's unfair to say she contributed nothing towards Isolation. She made the entire premise of that narrative work and the emotional pay-off when she hear's Ripley's message...amazing.
Now I'm not saying the gameplay wouldn't work otherwise. It would. But there's plenty of people shouting for Isolation 2 and they're often talking about finishing off Amanda's story. So, no, I wouldn't say they're misinterpreting. As much as I've enjoyed Blackout, they are missing the mark in that it is Isolation 2 they want to experience that story in.
Mandy was pivotal! Have a heart people.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 22, 2019, 09:49:44 PM
Marvel probably can't wait to get a hold of Alien and Predator.
To be honest, seeing Marvel's finest take on either Alien, Predator, or both at the same time would be cool to see. I personally enjoyed Batman vs Predator series so perhaps they can hit a home run with a Marvel crossover?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 23, 2019, 12:02:42 PM
I think it's unfair to say she contributed nothing towards Isolation.
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Isolation's great, but because of Amanda Ripley? No.
Again;
All entries in the series that have forced the inclusion of something/someone Ripley have suffered from it.
Isolation's a fluke, that succeeded because Amanda Ripley had no character- we filled her shoes.
So when she was saying goodbye to Ellen Ripley for the last time, so were we.
& Amanda Ripley's purpose is fulfilled narratively and thematically with that conclusion.
I said that.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 23, 2019, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 22, 2019, 09:49:44 PM
Marvel probably can't wait to get a hold of Alien and Predator.
To be honest, seeing Marvel's finest take on either Alien, Predator, or both at the same time would be cool to see. I personally enjoyed Batman vs Predator series so perhaps they can hit a home run with a Marvel crossover?
Punisher Vs. PREDATOR?
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Franchise intersection's generally, good and bad, dumb fun.
But full film quality? No TY.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 23, 2019, 05:42:42 PM
Franchise intersection's generally, good and bad, dumb fun.
But full film quality? No TY.
No one mentioned film.
At least that's what I gathered with the reference to Batman Vs. PREDATOR. Which we both know was a comic series.
Nevertheless I agree. No film crossovers between A L I E N and PREDATOR with either MARVEL or Star Wars.
Alien or anything cinematic, period.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 23, 2019, 06:10:04 PM
Alien or anything cinematic, period.
AVP3. That's where I wholly disagree. I know your stance on that. However mine is the exact opposite.
So here's to hoping for an AVP3 that's actually a great film. One worthy of both franchises pedigree.
Agreed.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 23, 2019, 05:42:42 PM
Franchise intersection's generally, good and bad, dumb fun.
But full film quality? No TY.
I'm just imagining the end of the latest Avengers movie, after credits we see a Predator fleet coming in and the Avengers are just freaking out to what's going on and then behind Tony Stark you hear a robotic voice and you see the Predator Killer uncloaking, having McKenna unmask himself "Looks like they are finally coming to town for a few days to kill", cut to black.
I can hear the agonizing screaming oh boy..... :laugh: If the Predator series is going to be that goofy then it should just go like this, its over in my eyes just go all the way now......no not really pls don't I just can't....one part is screaming no and the other has a strong morbid curiosity.
No thank you lol! I'm not that desperate yet! :D
QuotePredator in particular would be able to involve itself in more creative and ambitious works if it was not incorporated in Alien's world and tone.
A tone, which never in total suited Predator.
Predator is one of those franchises it's wrong it's so goofy but at the same time I would be more than willing to watch a super powered slugfest with Predators. Morbid curiosity maybe, but growing up on Concrete Jungle, if the Predator picked a fight with Moon Knight or even Darkhawk that wouldn't be the weirdest thing this franchise has ever done and we had spec-ops hookers. What the Hell even is this franchise :laugh:
Concrete Jungle FTW.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 24, 2019, 02:21:00 AM
What the Hell even is this franchise :laugh:
A mess and likely comatose thanks to Shane Black.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 24, 2019, 02:21:00 AM
Predator is one of those franchises it's wrong it's so goofy but at the same time I would be more than willing to watch a super powered slugfest with Predators. Morbid curiosity maybe, but growing up on Concrete Jungle, if the Predator picked a fight with Moon Knight or even Darkhawk that wouldn't be the weirdest thing this franchise has ever done and we had spec-ops hookers. What the Hell even is this franchise :laugh:
I mean now that I think about it, was Predator destined to be this way and Concrete Jungle was a hidden agonized attempt to warn us? I mean ex-porn star hookers gone spec-ops, enhanced brain washed predators, Aliens that appear out of nowhere,and a forced human/Predator hybrid? Like Hunter Borgia was just a stand in for the Super Predator when you think about it....
At yet to be fair, Concrete Jungle was fun to play while The Predator was not that fun to watch.... :-\ and I don't say that proudly
Predator's destiny if it progresses AVP IMO.
Predator deserves it's own universe.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 24, 2019, 04:31:05 AM
Predator deserves it's own universe.
That's true.
But what's also true is that we deserve one good AVP movie and i'm sure it can be done right.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 24, 2019, 07:54:36 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 24, 2019, 04:31:05 AM
Predator deserves it's own universe.
That's true.
But what's also true is that we deserve one good AVP movie and i'm sure it can be done right.
Adapt the original AVP series and be done with it. It will capture the moment when everyone was in love with the idea. Then let it go.
The Predator may in some respects might've worked better as a videogame in that case because as ridiculous as Concrete Jungle was, people tend to like it. Then again, Fox has no idea what people want out of Alien and Predator games so they might've just made it into an arcade title or mobile game like they usually do. A part of me just realized that I'm probably as lenient on The Predator as I am because Concrete Jungle beat it to the punch by 13 years and is now kind of mad we didn't get an adaptation of that with bulked out Hunter and a snarky Predator.
I love how ridiculous Concrete Jungle was. At least the predators there are treated as hunters...
Predator 2: Look how fun and silly we can get!
Concrete Jungle: Hold my beer...
I'd rather see Concrete Jungle done as a movie than The Predator. With CJ we know how dramatic, over the top and ridiculous it is from the very beginning. Most importantly, it's fun. The Predator for me and looking at the reviews, for many was not. When will these guys get it that Suburbia is a horrible setting for a predator. And a dark forest does not make something automatically scary Shane.... :P
Pick a tone and stick to it. Pick a good setting. Respect that the predators are hunters. Always keep a bit of that tribal aspect. Show new weapons and tactics the predator uses. Keep the story simple and logical, just spice up the substance.
Concrete Jungle is a really good example for me personally. It's on over the top and on the edge of being acceptably fun, but all the elements are combined well. IMO it works.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 24, 2019, 01:33:44 PM
I love how ridiculous Concrete Jungle was. At least the predators there are treated as hunters...
Predator 2: Look how fun and silly we can get!
Concrete Jungle: Hold my beer...
I'd rather see Concrete Jungle done as a movie than The Predator. With CJ we know how dramatic, over the top and ridiculous it is from the very beginning. Most importantly, it's fun. The Predator for me and looking at the reviews, for many was not. When will these guys get it that Suburbia is a horrible setting for a predator. And a dark forest does not make something automatically scary Shane.... :P
Pick a tone and stick to it. Pick a good setting. Respect that the predators are hunters. Always keep a bit of that tribal aspect. Show new weapons and tactics the predator uses. Keep the story simple and logical, just spice up the substance.
Concrete Jungle is a really good example for me personally. It's on over the top and on the edge of being acceptably fun, but all the elements are combined well. IMO it works.
The Predator was played more or less like a dark comedy when it was shot. It had a tone, it's just that the studio screwed him on that when people at the test-screening freaked out. The problem in things like the re-shoots caused the tone to be all over the map. Shane Black can do dramatic moments and seriousness just fine, but he is a snarky director and we've seen some of the memos he sent to the cast (and that guy just rambles whatever the Hell he wants). With Shane Black it should be clear from the word "go" that he would do something a bit more wild.
Concrete Jungle would make an excellent movie since the more wild elements of the franchise are pretty much what you come to see. I just don't want to see people try to recreate Predator 1987 again since Predator 2 has so much personality it pretty much defined how these creatures act and how this universe works.
Both series have been crossed over with all sorts of stuff in the past. I wouldn't object to them doing so with Marvel characters, so long as it's kept to comics, games and so on. Cinematic canon would be different.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 26, 2019, 09:50:33 PM
Both series have been crossed over with all sorts of stuff in the past. I wouldn't object to them doing so with Marvel characters, so long as it's kept to comics, games and so on. Cinematic canon would be different.
That's about right. Comics ok. Films, no.
What i do remember from hstory lessons back in the scool is the simple fact:
Empires are always fall eventually. Always. Think about that.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 27, 2019, 03:26:03 PM
What i do remember from hstory lessons back in the scool is the simple fact:
Empires are always fall eventually. Always. Think about that.
You're thinking of that Gandhi quote.
This Disney thing will fall. Naturally. The marvel superhero films just have to stop bringing in money, the gravy train grinds to a halt.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 27, 2019, 06:51:18 PM
This Disney thing will fall. Naturally. The marvel superhero films just have to stop bringing in money, the gravy train grinds to a halt.
It's going to take a huge scandal or a miracle to stop super hero and animated movies from making bank.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 27, 2019, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 27, 2019, 06:51:18 PM
This Disney thing will fall. Naturally. The marvel superhero films just have to stop bringing in money, the gravy train grinds to a halt.
It's going to take a huge scandal or a miracle to stop super hero and animated movies from making bank.
Who knows. They may fade away one day like the Western.
Everything gets boring.
Except Aliens. That film's still ace.
The problem is that you're gonna have to wait for an entire generation to grow up first. Even then, the nature of the films now is such that they're probably just gonna keep people hooked .
They're big, showy, and keep people's attention.
Oh, man that didn't sound right at all.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 27, 2019, 06:51:18 PM
This Disney thing will fall. Naturally. The marvel superhero films just have to stop bringing in money, the gravy train grinds to a halt.
Indeed. I'm still waiting for the talkie fad to end so we can get back to proper silent movies.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-fox-layoffs-1203216165/
More cuts about to hit film staff.
:-\
What did anyone expect?
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on May 24, 2019, 07:55:44 PM
What did anyone expect?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWgukBTgzu8
David Giler should be fired.
Regardless of grammatical comprehension.
Why?
Do you mean hired?
David Giler and Walter Hill should be hired to actively work on the next Alien film?
#F**KGiler
Quote from: The Old One on May 25, 2019, 09:35:25 AM
Regardless of grammatical comprehension.
Why?
Do you mean hired?
David Giler and Walter Hill should be hired to actively work on the next Alien film?
Since the inception of the first Alien, Giler tried to do a "just another cheap horror movie". He tried to steal from O'Bannon. He rewrite Alien with cheap and poor ideas. Androids are only one good thing from him. And there is every reason to believe that Alien: Covenant uses some disgusting ideas from rewrited Alien.
Just read some stories about Alien series... from many different sources. :D
I have, still don't quite understand the vitriol.
I'm pretty sure Giler and Hill made more contributions than that.
SM should make a video about them.
That rant is quite the something.
Giler was absolutely an asshole, but without his and Hill's rewrites we wouldn't be talking about the movie today.
Yep.
Indeed.
What was he an asshole about?
Everything there is for a producer to be an asshole about. Rudely dismissive of input, frequently belittled -- often publicly --the very people he hired and their ideas, the usual.
Nailed it, but an excellent writer- one thing the franchise desperately lacks now.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 20, 2019, 09:32:05 PM
A new era begins for better or for worse, Will Disney Allow Fox to follow through on Alien Prequels/Alien Sequels, Predator Sequels, AVP Cross overs. Or reboot both franchises entirely, only time will tell.
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End of an Era :'(
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1218216711930949633
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Fox who?
20th Century Studios.....
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They got what they deserved.
https://youtu.be/sRZL35dv2GY
The future now I guess.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2020, 06:02:25 PM
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"Don't you cry for Fox. Don't you dare"
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 17, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
End of an Era :'(
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1218216711930949633
Ugh, 20th Century Fox was a very well known brand known to millions worldwide. It had a certain pedigree.
Might as well call it 21st Century Studios then, get with the times.. ::)
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 17, 2020, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2020, 06:02:25 PM
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"Don't you cry for Fox. Don't you dare"
What should I cry for? Argentina?
More to follow.
The mouse is hungry.
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https://youtu.be/NZWFXqXBwFI
I think this is appropriate.
Deal with the devil.
NY Times are speculating the name change is because Disney doesn't want to be associated with Rupert Murdoch's polarizing Fox News.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 17, 2020, 06:44:54 PM
NY Times are speculating the name change is because Disney doesn't want to be associated with Rupert Murdoch's polarizing Fox News.
Politically angled speculation coming from NY Times is not surprising, though I personally doubt a decision like this involved that degree of narrow thinking. 20th Century Fox independenly never had a problem from both sides of the aisle and they
were under the same roof, so to speak, with Fox Sports, Fox News, and the giant Fox Television Network. Considering all of these Fox brands are still not associated or owned by Disney, I must relent that it does makes sense to change for brand definition.
Rename it to Buttsex Incorporated for all I care, just give me more Alien movies.
Quote from: David's Creation on Jan 17, 2020, 09:15:17 PM
Rename it to Buttsex Incorporated for all I care, just give me more Alien movies.
Umm.....
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:D
I doubt it's anything political, though they may later try to say politics was the reason all along, just to score political points.
All it comes down to is Disney making a small change to something it owns, to establish its ownership. It's their way of saying to everyone, "This is my dog now, and it's name isn't Fox"
Or "This is my fox now, and its name is crazy drunken pirate"
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I'm glad Searchlight hasn't been killed. I was very worried that that was going to be Disney's next move.
The Disney/Fox acquisition is still incredibly heartbreaking, however, and for reasons that expand well beyond Alien.
I didn't like The Predator or Alien Covenant at all.
So, who cares about Fox :P
Gonna miss their experimental X-Men movies though.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 17, 2020, 06:44:54 PM
NY Times are speculating the name change is because Disney doesn't want to be associated with Rupert Murdoch's polarizing Fox News.
I think that's rather good move, then.
Alien Covenant is the best film in the franchise in the last 28 years.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 18, 2020, 03:24:17 PMAlien Covenant is the best film in the franchise in the last 28 years.
Let's agree to disagree :D I think the exact opposite.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 18, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
Alien Covenant is the best film in the franchise in the last 28 years.
A fancier way of saying "The Best of the Bad Movies!"
Well, since I can't do Disnox anymore....
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Disney could simply have called it 20th Century Pictures as well I suppose. Like it was pre-1935. I wonder if they'll be keeping the fanfare, searchlights and monument?
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Back then where the acquisition happened I theorized they could name it 'Century Studios'.
The '20th' part sounds rather obsolete, I think, but I guess it's part of the branding.
20th Century Pictures sounds way better, I agree with The Eighth Passenger.
I'm curious if they'll change the fanfare. That would upset me more than a name change.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 18, 2020, 04:22:41 PM
Disney could simply have called it 20th Century Pictures as well I suppose. Like it was pre-1935. I wonder if they'll be keeping the fanfare, searchlights and monument?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOk2vLjX0AIl_td.jpg)
They'd be mad to lose it.
Yeah, definitely.
Quote from: David's Creation on Jan 18, 2020, 10:50:57 PM
I'm curious if they'll change the fanfare. That would upset me more than a name change.
Yeah, I've got to agree on this one. I'm not too fussed about the name change, but I'd hate to loose the fanfare.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 18, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 18, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
Alien Covenant is the best film in the franchise in the last 28 years.
A fancier way of saying "The Best of the Bad Movies!"
Silence !
Perhaps, but, I believe it's got more merit than anything else in that number of years.
Spoiler
The best Frankenstein adaptation.
They have to keep the fanfare
Variety reckons the fanfare and graphics (bar the FOX bit) will stay:
Quote from: VarietyThose logos won't be dramatically altered, just updated. The most notable change is that the word "Fox" has been removed from the logo marks. Otherwise, the signature elements — swirling klieg lights, monolith, triumphal fanfare — will remain the same.
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/disney-dropping-fox-20th-century-studios-1203470349/ (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/disney-dropping-fox-20th-century-studios-1203470349/)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 20, 2020, 03:42:08 PM
Variety reckons the fanfare and graphics (bar the FOX bit) will stay:
Quote from: VarietyThose logos won't be dramatically altered, just updated. The most notable change is that the word "Fox" has been removed from the logo marks. Otherwise, the signature elements — swirling klieg lights, monolith, triumphal fanfare — will remain the same.
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/disney-dropping-fox-20th-century-studios-1203470349/ (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/disney-dropping-fox-20th-century-studios-1203470349/)
Yay!
That's good to know.
20th Century Studios' Diminished Future: "I Don't Think the Label Means Anything Anymore" (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/20th-century-studios-diminished-future-i-dont-think-label-means-anything-anymore-1276067)
QuoteAs Emma Watts exits, Disney's former Fox unit will now be the home to some adult dramas and prebranded remakes, plus Hulu or Disney+ titles and four 'Avatar' sequels.
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After leading a major studio, Watts realized she couldn't stomach the diminishment in power and autonomy that came with running a pared-down fiefdom within Disney, sources close to her tell The Hollywood Reporter. The executive's departure also is a blow to Hollywood's small sorority of female studio executives. Rare among majors, Fox had boasted a deep bench of powerful women in its upper ranks. In the wake of the merger, Watts joins former 20th Century Fox chairman Stacey Snider, former Fox 2000 chief Elizabeth Gabler and former Fox marketing chief Pamela Levine out the door.
Under Disney, 20th will now release about four movies a year theatrically, down from as many as six or seven, and focus equally if not more so on making content for Disney+ and Hulu. Fox's Marvel movies, such as Deadpool, now fall under Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige's purview. For Watts — who worked closely with Ryan Reynolds in bringing the Deadpool series to the big screen and also was behind the larger X-Men franchise — this meant handing over some of her prized projects.
Yeah, I think we all saw this coming unfortunately.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 05, 2020, 02:19:25 PM
20th Century Studios' Diminished Future: "I Don't Think the Label Means Anything Anymore" (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/20th-century-studios-diminished-future-i-dont-think-label-means-anything-anymore-1276067)
QuoteAs Emma Watts exits, Disney's former Fox unit will now be the home to some adult dramas and prebranded remakes, plus Hulu or Disney+ titles and four 'Avatar' sequels.
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After leading a major studio, Watts realized she couldn't stomach the diminishment in power and autonomy that came with running a pared-down fiefdom within Disney, sources close to her tell The Hollywood Reporter. The executive's departure also is a blow to Hollywood's small sorority of female studio executives. Rare among majors, Fox had boasted a deep bench of powerful women in its upper ranks. In the wake of the merger, Watts joins former 20th Century Fox chairman Stacey Snider, former Fox 2000 chief Elizabeth Gabler and former Fox marketing chief Pamela Levine out the door.
Under Disney, 20th will now release about four movies a year theatrically, down from as many as six or seven, and focus equally if not more so on making content for Disney+ and Hulu. Fox's Marvel movies, such as Deadpool, now fall under Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige's purview. For Watts — who worked closely with Ryan Reynolds in bringing the Deadpool series to the big screen and also was behind the larger X-Men franchise — this meant handing over some of her prized projects.
Watts and Scott always had a very close working relationship. Aside from her involvement with Alien: Covenant and it's proposed sequel, she managed to get the controversial "The Last Duel" past the Disney execs as well:
Quote"Since the merger closed, Watts had persuaded her bosses, Disney Studios co-chairmen Alan Horn and Alan Bergman, to forge ahead with Ridley Scott's tentpole The Last Duel."
Yeah I would say this about seals the fate of Alien/Predator in film.
Maybe they will sell the rights some day.
They specify a focus on brand names and streaming content. I still don't see why a streaming movie/series couldn't be in the cards.
Yep, I 100% agree and believe that is exactly what they're going to do.
Also, someone is getting paid to keep making social media posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram - complete with edited short videos. It's not a lot, but it shows that Disney/20th is paying somebody to keep the brand in the public consciousness. Should that give us some hope? Or am I overthinking it?
I wonder if Disney is even aware of the Alien Anthology accounts? 20th Century Fox was quite the juggernaut. Bits of it may yet continue to live on without the host.
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 05, 2020, 06:01:50 PM
Also, someone is getting paid to keep making social media posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram - complete with edited short videos. It's not a lot, but it shows that Disney/20th is paying somebody to keep the brand in the public consciousness. Should that give us some hope? Or am I overthinking it?
Maybe.
But the way I see it, they paid a boatload of money for these franchises. I absolutely expect Dis-weyland to turn these and others into revenue generating properties ASAP, most likely via Hulu streaming.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 05, 2020, 03:58:18 PM
Yeah I would say this about seals the fate of Alien/Predator in film.
Maybe they will sell the rights some day.
Nah they'll always come back to it. Might take a little longer for Predator.
We'll see I guess.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 05, 2020, 06:08:03 PM
I wonder if Disney is even aware of the Alien Anthology accounts? 20th Century Fox was quite the juggernaut. Bits of it may yet continue to live on without the host.
Nah, it's someone new. Or I'm just full on being ghosted. I used to talk to the guy who ran those accounts and I've not heard from him since the merger.
All the old crew's gone.
Someone's doing a decent enough job with the socials.
I'm still believing the new A & P home will be Hulu...
Hulu targeting 2021 for international rollout, says Disney CEO
"Disney+ might be Disney's streaming priority right now, but rolling out Hulu to international markets is still a primary goal, with the company aiming for a 2021 date.'
"Hulu's generated quite a bit of news recently, starting with CEO Randy Freer announcing he was stepping down. The move comes in the wake of Disney announcing that Hulu leadership would now report to Disney's direct-to-consumer division, which is overseen by Kevin Mayer. The goal with the reorganization is to help "rapidly grow our presence outside the US," according to a company press release put out Friday. Iger and Disney executives first started talking about bringing Hulu to global markets in 2018, after the company secured majority ownership of the streaming service."
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/4/21123168/hulu-international-2021-disney-plus-streaming-bundle-rollout
Disney Invites Game Developers to Tell Original Stories With Popular Franchises (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-invites-game-developers-tell-original-stories-popular-franchises-1278814)
QuoteSean Shoptaw, senior vp games and interactive experiences at Disney, on Wednesday gave an update on the studio's new approach to gaming, emphasizing original storytelling and "reimagining" classic characters and settings.
Disney is opening its vault to leading video game creatives.
Sean Shoptaw, senior vp games and interactive experiences at Disney, on Wednesday gave an update on the studio's new approach to video game licensing at the 2020 DICE Summit at the Aria Convention Center in Las Vegas.
"I'm here for one specific reason: to empower you to do really unique things with our [catalog]," the exec told the crowd of game developers. "We want to tap into the power of creatives across the industry."
Citing recent examples such as EA and Respawn Entertainment's Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, 2019's sixth-best-selling title, and 2018's Marvel's Spider-Man from Insomniac Games, which was the fastest-selling first-party title in Sony's history with 3.3 million units sold in its first three days (it has since gone on to sell over 13 million copies), Shoptaw stressed the importance of original storytelling and "reimagining" what Disney characters and settings could be.
The Disney exec extended an invitation to game developers in the room and throughout the industry to "come and play" with its extensive catalog of franchises, which now include many 20th Century (formerly 20th Century Fox) properties such as Avatar and Bob's Burgers, among many others.
Official logo:
(https://i.ibb.co/cF55PHt/Screenshot-20200214-102432-You-Tube.jpg)
I don't like it. The palm trees look fake.
When they were revamping the name, did they not notice we're in the 21st century?
They'll want to keep the brand everyone is familiar with. They just don't like the right wing Fox bit, which is why they dropped that.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 15, 2020, 03:47:42 PM
They'll want to keep the brand everyone is familiar with. They just don't like the right wing Fox bit, which is why they dropped that.
Sillyness hypothesized by right-wing hating left-wingers.
What's bigger than the minor Fox News, and minor Fox Sports, is the Fox Broadcasting Company, a national television network that has delivered us mega shows like X-Files and Simpsons and 24 and American Idol etc., etc. Fox also airs the biggest US television draw out there, NFL Games, and therefore are a big competitor of the ABC Network owned by Disney. So clearly they wouldn't keep calling themselves / advertising as a competitor name.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2020, 11:52:50 AM
Disney Invites Game Developers to Tell Original Stories With Popular Franchises (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-invites-game-developers-tell-original-stories-popular-franchises-1278814)
QuoteSean Shoptaw, senior vp games and interactive experiences at Disney, on Wednesday gave an update on the studio's new approach to gaming, emphasizing original storytelling and "reimagining" classic characters and settings.
Disney is opening its vault to leading video game creatives.
Sean Shoptaw, senior vp games and interactive experiences at Disney, on Wednesday gave an update on the studio's new approach to video game licensing at the 2020 DICE Summit at the Aria Convention Center in Las Vegas.
"I'm here for one specific reason: to empower you to do really unique things with our [catalog]," the exec told the crowd of game developers. "We want to tap into the power of creatives across the industry."
Citing recent examples such as EA and Respawn Entertainment's Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, 2019's sixth-best-selling title, and 2018's Marvel's Spider-Man from Insomniac Games, which was the fastest-selling first-party title in Sony's history with 3.3 million units sold in its first three days (it has since gone on to sell over 13 million copies), Shoptaw stressed the importance of original storytelling and "reimagining" what Disney characters and settings could be.
The Disney exec extended an invitation to game developers in the room and throughout the industry to "come and play" with its extensive catalog of franchises, which now include many 20th Century (formerly 20th Century Fox) properties such as Avatar and Bob's Burgers, among many others.
Please let this lead to a single player Predator game.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2020, 04:21:04 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 15, 2020, 03:47:42 PM
They'll want to keep the brand everyone is familiar with. They just don't like the right wing Fox bit, which is why they dropped that.
Sillyness hypothesized by right-wing hating left-wingers.
What's bigger than the minor Fox News, and minor Fox Sports, is the Fox Broadcasting Company, a national television network that has delivered us mega shows like X-Files and Simpsons and 24 and American Idol etc., etc. Fox also airs the biggest US television draw out there, NFL Games, and therefore are a big competitor of the ABC Network owned by Disney. So clearly they wouldn't keep calling themselves / advertising as a competitor name.
I'd wager that both factored into the decision to varying degrees. Brand perception is extremely important to Disney.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 16, 2020, 01:32:24 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2020, 04:21:04 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 15, 2020, 03:47:42 PM
They'll want to keep the brand everyone is familiar with. They just don't like the right wing Fox bit, which is why they dropped that.
Sillyness hypothesized by right-wing hating left-wingers.
What's bigger than the minor Fox News, and minor Fox Sports, is the Fox Broadcasting Company, a national television network that has delivered us mega shows like X-Files and Simpsons and 24 and American Idol etc., etc. Fox also airs the biggest US television draw out there, NFL Games, and therefore are a big competitor of the ABC Network owned by Disney. So clearly they wouldn't keep calling themselves / advertising as a competitor name.
I'd wager that both factored into the decision to varying degrees. Brand perception is extremely important to Disney.
Nah, to me that's small thinking. If Target buys a bunch of Walmart stores, it's not going to change the name of the stores because they disagree with Walmart's corporate policies, politics and hiring practices. They are going to change the name because it's no longer part of the Walmart Corp. If Fox News didn't exist, they still wouldn't want the appearance of being associated with Fox Sports, competition to Disney owned ESPN, or the huge Fox Broadcasting Company, competition to Disney owned ABC. But left-wing The New York Times always tries to polarize and make things political, so they surmised the name change was a political decision without any proof, because sadly often that's what they do these days.
Yep.
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Please let this lead to a single player Predator game.
There seems to be a bunch of Predator references and cameos out there so I don't doubt a studio beyond Ilfonic wants to work on the property. If Hunting Grounds could happen during the merger against all odds then a bigger studio being invited to work on the character is a definite possibility.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 16, 2020, 05:04:32 AM
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Please let this lead to a single player Predator game.
There seems to be a bunch of Predator references and cameos out there so I don't doubt a studio beyond Ilfonic wants to work on the property. If Hunting Grounds could happen during the merger against all odds then a bigger studio being invited to work on the character is a definite possibility.
When Ghost Recon Wildlands had the special Predator mission, I thought it was a sign Ubisoft was going to make a Predator game similar to Assassin's Creed. But alas it was nothing.
That shit was hard as hell to solo, but I did it anyway.
Took me about five attempts tho.
I actually beat him once, but couldn't get clear of the self destruct. Then several tries after that I was wasted before finally getting him and actually clearing the self destruct. It ended up being a fairly more satisfying video game victory than I thought it would.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 16, 2020, 06:00:41 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 16, 2020, 05:04:32 AM
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Please let this lead to a single player Predator game.
There seems to be a bunch of Predator references and cameos out there so I don't doubt a studio beyond Ilfonic wants to work on the property. If Hunting Grounds could happen during the merger against all odds then a bigger studio being invited to work on the character is a definite possibility.
When Ghost Recon Wildlands had the special Predator mission, I thought it was a sign Ubisoft was going to make a Predator game similar to Assassin's Creed. But alas it was nothing.
Wouldn't that be something. Yeah, I realize the production costs would be higher, but I do hope Concrete Jungle isn't our last foray into single player. How would I love something open world based! :o
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2020, 03:48:17 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 16, 2020, 01:32:24 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2020, 04:21:04 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 15, 2020, 03:47:42 PM
They'll want to keep the brand everyone is familiar with. They just don't like the right wing Fox bit, which is why they dropped that.
Sillyness hypothesized by right-wing hating left-wingers.
What's bigger than the minor Fox News, and minor Fox Sports, is the Fox Broadcasting Company, a national television network that has delivered us mega shows like X-Files and Simpsons and 24 and American Idol etc., etc. Fox also airs the biggest US television draw out there, NFL Games, and therefore are a big competitor of the ABC Network owned by Disney. So clearly they wouldn't keep calling themselves / advertising as a competitor name.
I'd wager that both factored into the decision to varying degrees. Brand perception is extremely important to Disney.
Nah, to me that's small thinking. If Target buys a bunch of Walmart stores, it's not going to change the name of the stores because they disagree with Walmart's corporate policies, politics and hiring practices. They are going to change the name because it's no longer part of the Walmart Corp. If Fox News didn't exist, they still wouldn't want the appearance of being associated with Fox Sports, competition to Disney owned ESPN, or the huge Fox Broadcasting Company, competition to Disney owned ABC. But left-wing The New York Times always tries to polarize and make things political, so they surmised the name change was a political decision without any proof, because sadly often that's what they do these days.
It's not "small thinking" it's "all encompassing thinking". That's why I said to "varying degrees". But think what you want :)
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 16, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
It's not "small thinking" it's "all encompassing thinking". That's why I said to "varying degrees". But think what you want :)
Sorry, I meant "small thinking" only in regards to corporation thinking and brand recognition and a billion dollar buy, and unequivocally believing the name would change regardless. :) Otherwise, you take that political angle, then one would have to believe if Fox News was rather a liberal leaning news network, Disney would this time keep the name "Fox" even though Fox is still a major competitor name to Disney in different markets. I personally see that theoretical premise as highly illogical, regardless of one's political leanings.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 16, 2020, 06:00:41 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 16, 2020, 05:04:32 AM
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Please let this lead to a single player Predator game.
There seems to be a bunch of Predator references and cameos out there so I don't doubt a studio beyond Ilfonic wants to work on the property. If Hunting Grounds could happen during the merger against all odds then a bigger studio being invited to work on the character is a definite possibility.
When Ghost Recon Wildlands had the special Predator mission, I thought it was a sign Ubisoft was going to make a Predator game similar to Assassin's Creed. But alas it was nothing.
Wouldn't that be something. Yeah, I realize the production costs would be higher, but I do hope Concrete Jungle isn't our last foray into single player. How would I love something open world based! :o
I actually made a topic in the games forum in 2018 detailing what I think could make a fun Predator game. I also did a ubisoft survey a while ago and it asked what license would I like to see them make a game of and I said Predator.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 16, 2020, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 16, 2020, 06:00:41 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 16, 2020, 05:04:32 AM
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Please let this lead to a single player Predator game.
There seems to be a bunch of Predator references and cameos out there so I don't doubt a studio beyond Ilfonic wants to work on the property. If Hunting Grounds could happen during the merger against all odds then a bigger studio being invited to work on the character is a definite possibility.
When Ghost Recon Wildlands had the special Predator mission, I thought it was a sign Ubisoft was going to make a Predator game similar to Assassin's Creed. But alas it was nothing.
Wouldn't that be something. Yeah, I realize the production costs would be higher, but I do hope Concrete Jungle isn't our last foray into single player. How would I love something open world based! :o
I actually made a topic in the games forum in 2018 detailing what I think could make a fun Predator game. I also did a ubisoft survey a while ago and it asked what license would I like to see them make a game of and I said Predator.
Did I read it? Do you have a link to the thread handy?
I like the idea but it's likeliness I sincerely doubt.
New CEO is coming.
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1232412942076928000?s
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2020, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 16, 2020, 03:37:12 PM
I actually made a topic in the games forum in 2018 detailing what I think could make a fun Predator game. I also did a ubisoft survey a while ago and it asked what license would I like to see them make a game of and I said Predator.
Did I read it? Do you have a link to the thread handy?
Not The Shuriken's post, but one of my own. It didn't get much exposure before being submerged in the sea of other topics at the time, but this is what my ideal Predator game would be:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=54695
Quote from: Kurai on Jun 18, 2016, 04:42:55 PM
So I've been thinking about how there's all this untapped video game potential in the Aliens and Predator franchises that seem to be purposefully being ignored for one reason or another. I questioned the lack of a survival horror Alien game for a long while before Isolation came and blew my mind. It could be that they're waiting for the technology or perhaps the interest...
Well this is my idea for what I consider the perfect Predator game.
Predator: Hunting Grounds
You play as a Predator youngling out on his first hunt, your weapons and tech are at the bare minimum. Landing on a simple jungle world you are tasked with taking down the biggest, meanest predator (animal, not the capital P Predator) and claiming its skull. All this takes place in a semi-open world series of maps which you can travel to via your dropship. The planet is filled with various alien creatures that fit the planet's theme. On taking down the deadliest prey on the planet, the game will inform you that you can return to space.
Once in space you will gain the ability to trade Trophy Points for upgrades and new weapons ranging from all the staples of the original movies, such as new vision modes, gaining a shoulder cannon, duel wrist blades, different mask designs, etc. Trophy Points can also be used to unlock new Hunting Grounds, each with their own unique prey ranging from simple animals to sapient lifeforms, maybe work in some stuff for the River Ghost even? Of course Earth will be one of the worlds you can unlock.
Once all the various worlds are unlocked you will gain access to a customizable preserve world where you can mix and match species from other worlds for a unique hunt.
Multiplayer could involve gathering the most trophies to pitting your Predators head to head or even just popping into other player's preserve planets.
No story necessary, the Predator is here to hunt and hunt he shall.
What do you think?
You have some great ideas Kurai! The mix and match species from other worlds is especially interesting.
And....
Quote from: Kurai on Feb 26, 2020, 08:31:52 AMPredator: Hunting Grounds
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Quote from: Kurai on Jun 18, 2016, 04:42:55 PM
So I've been thinking about how there's all this untapped video game potential in the Aliens and Predator franchises that seem to be purposefully being ignored for one reason or another. I questioned the lack of a survival horror Alien game for a long while before Isolation came and blew my mind. It could be that they're waiting for the technology or perhaps the interest...
Well this is my idea for what I consider the perfect Predator game.
Predator: Hunting Grounds
You play as a Predator youngling out on his first hunt, your weapons and tech are at the bare minimum. Landing on a simple jungle world you are tasked with taking down the biggest, meanest predator (animal, not the capital P Predator) and claiming its skull. All this takes place in a semi-open world series of maps which you can travel to via your dropship. The planet is filled with various alien creatures that fit the planet's theme. On taking down the deadliest prey on the planet, the game will inform you that you can return to space.
Once in space you will gain the ability to trade Trophy Points for upgrades and new weapons ranging from all the staples of the original movies, such as new vision modes, gaining a shoulder cannon, duel wrist blades, different mask designs, etc. Trophy Points can also be used to unlock new Hunting Grounds, each with their own unique prey ranging from simple animals to sapient lifeforms, maybe work in some stuff for the River Ghost even? Of course Earth will be one of the worlds you can unlock.
Once all the various worlds are unlocked you will gain access to a customizable preserve world where you can mix and match species from other worlds for a unique hunt.
Multiplayer could involve gathering the most trophies to pitting your Predators head to head or even just popping into other player's preserve planets.
No story necessary, the Predator is here to hunt and hunt he shall.
What do you think?
Those are pretty good ideas, Kurai. I've seen something similar in other games, but I think it'd definitely work in the Predator universe. I'd totally be down for something like this.