All of you guys have to agree that the acid-on-the-face in the new trailer is the best I have seen :o. The only thing I can think of that would come close is Hudsons burn. This is the kinda stuff I have been looking forward to for a long long time.
Quote from: arnold23 on Aug 26, 2007, 05:13:18 PM
All of you guys have to agree that the acid-on-the-face in the new trailer is the best I have seen :o. The only thing I can think of that would come close is Hudsons burn. This is the kinda stuff I have been looking forward to for a long long time.
Too extreme and sadisctic for my taste. :-[
I think its hilarious.
I was laughing because that's what i do when people die in movies.
Quote from: Katarn on Aug 26, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
Too extreme and sadisctic for my taste. :-[
Well, but at least it causes more than just burns and scars.
I loved it in all it's gruesome detail.
And I see you quoted me, Shadowpred. I'm flattered.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Aug 26, 2007, 05:33:48 PM
I loved it in all it's gruesome detail.
And I see you quoted me, Shadowpred. I'm flattered.
I had to.
I would prefer if it was even faster. Drake's face got showered with the stuff and yet it was making good progress in less than a second.
i tihnk it was great
...obviously the guy dies.
Quote from: PeterKeyes on Aug 26, 2007, 05:57:52 PM
...obviously the guy dies.
I think the pred will finish him off.
Poor Drew. :(
Quote from: Katarn on Aug 26, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: arnold23 on Aug 26, 2007, 05:13:18 PM
All of you guys have to agree that the acid-on-the-face in the new trailer is the best I have seen :o. The only thing I can think of that would come close is Hudsons burn. This is the kinda stuff I have been looking forward to for a long long time.
Too extreme and sadisctic for my taste. :-[
its not sadistic...now sadistic would be if someone poured 1 drop into each of his eyes and watched it melt...then they poured it into his ears and watch it melt through his skull and exentually into his brain...
they're probably still tweaking that effect too. Even though it looked good, it's no where near done.
Plus that guy Drew was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
QuotePlus that guy Drew was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Everyone in this movie is in the wrong place at the wrong time. ;]
Good point. :)
People that think its' too sadistic with too much blood and gore shoulden't be fans of monster movies. Monsters + humans = deaths
It makes me wonder why you liked the first films...
Quote from: azerty on Aug 27, 2007, 07:05:54 PM
People that think its' too sadistic with too much blood and gore shoulden't be fans of monster movies. Monsters + humans = deaths
It makes me wonder why you liked the first films...
The previous movies weren't gore fest you know. It had suspense and terror, it had violence, but it was all restrained. Psychological horror over physical horror.
It's probably just the effect of the trailer showing death after bloody death, but at this point, it seems kind of an over the top, cheap B-horror movie.
And I'm all for some blood and killing.
But slowly having your face being molten off by acid belongs more in a Saw-movie than an Alien/Predator film. In the previous movies, the effects off the blood weren't this severe.
I disagree with this one, after 8 movies in, I'm tired of the same skull shot, or tail impale. The deaths become repetitive.
You have to bring something new to the table, if its gore then so be it.
Quote from: highlandpred on Aug 27, 2007, 07:32:53 PM
I disagree with this one, after 8 movies in, I'm tired of the same skull shot, or tail impale. The deaths become repetitive.
You have to bring something new to the table, if its gore then so be it.
What, and have this franchise become the new Friday the 13th series?
Don't get me wrong, I ****ing love the trailer, and I'll be the first in line to buy a ticket and all the figures, but that death just rubs me the wrong way.
to be honest, people are seriously deluded if they think an AVP film can become great.
Entertainment? action? without a doubt. But anything other than that, then they should really just sign off now, and save the cash.
I'll say again, were 8 movies in, the 6th time weve seen aliens, and the 4th time we've seen predators. If the bros can break even, thats a massive pat on the back.
Quote from: Katarn on Aug 26, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: arnold23 on Aug 26, 2007, 05:13:18 PM
All of you guys have to agree that the acid-on-the-face in the new trailer is the best I have seen :o. The only thing I can think of that would come close is Hudsons burn. This is the kinda stuff I have been looking forward to for a long long time.
Too extreme and sadisctic for my taste. :-[
I know what you mean.. but I let it slide since its an AvP movie :)
I think the trailer is great.
I want to see more of Wolf's whip though.
He seems like the most bad ass Predator we've seen yet.
But Jungle Hunter owns =P
That's the pizza dude from the script.
Yeah, its a pretty grisly demise but I don't think its over done to the point where I'd compare it to Friday the13th. Its really a bad set circumstances for that kid.
Quote from: highlandpred on Aug 27, 2007, 07:45:36 PM
to be honest, people are seriously deluded if they think an AVP film can become great.
And it's that mentality from the audience that gets us shit movie. Supply meets demand, and what we want isn't good movies, we want utter bullshit because we don't think anybody could actually do something with the movies.
In the words of Samuel L. Jackson, f**k! THAT! SHIT!
As for the face melting, I thought it was awful. The effects were cheap and the acting was atrocious, and it lingered too long even for the film. Maybe if the effects were good and the guy could emote pain ...
I thought the scene of the face melting off was, uhh...what this guy said.
Quote from: Katarn on Aug 26, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
Too extreme and sadisctic for my taste. :-[
Guys its acid on his face what do you expect to happen? It's not going to be pretty.
If the effect bothers people that much now I can't wait to see how it looks when its finished.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 27, 2007, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: highlandpred on Aug 27, 2007, 07:45:36 PM
to be honest, people are seriously deluded if they think an AVP film can become great.
And it's that mentality from the audience that gets us shit movie. Supply meets demand, and what we want isn't good movies, we want utter bullshit because we don't think anybody could actually do something with the movies.
In the words of Samuel L. Jackson, f**k! THAT! SHIT!
As for the face melting, I thought it was awful. The effects were cheap and the acting was atrocious, and it lingered too long even for the film. Maybe if the effects were good and the guy could emote pain ...
Have to disagree with you on that one. The acid burning through the scull was great. As for the screaming and emotions keep in mind that the guy probably panicked like crazy taking away most motor functions. Not to mention that in the trailer we don't see the acid blasting on his face, all we see is it's coming from the the alien from the plasma shot and the next scene is the guy's face already half melted. He probably screamed when the acid hit hes face but than stopped due to the damage and all he could do is struggle with the pain.
Drake got acid on his face in Aliens, he didnt look quite so stupid s this guy. Same with Christie...
I thought the FX in that scene were spot on... I've just been re-watching that bit again now, and seriously I think you can't get it much better.
Guess I've seen too many TV movies.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 27, 2007, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: highlandpred on Aug 27, 2007, 07:45:36 PM
to be honest, people are seriously deluded if they think an AVP film can become great.
And it's that mentality from the audience that gets us shit movie. Supply meets demand, and what we want isn't good movies, we want utter bullshit because we don't think anybody could actually do something with the movies.
In the words of Samuel L. Jackson, f**k! THAT! SHIT!
As for the face melting, I thought it was awful. The effects were cheap and the acting was atrocious, and it lingered too long even for the film. Maybe if the effects were good and the guy could emote pain ...
Ok SIL, name me one movie, thats 8 in a sequence, with the same impact. In fact name a a film thats 8th in a series thats good. Any one, any style, any time frame.
well, first contact was alright. for a trek movie at least.
Quote from: SuicideSquad on Aug 27, 2007, 08:41:39 PM
well, first contact was alright. for a trek movie at least.
lol, i admire your effort man.
Quote from: Katarn on Aug 26, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: arnold23 on Aug 26, 2007, 05:13:18 PM
All of you guys have to agree that the acid-on-the-face in the new trailer is the best I have seen :o. The only thing I can think of that would come close is Hudsons burn. This is the kinda stuff I have been looking forward to for a long long time.
Too extreme and sadisctic for my taste. :-[
Awwwww look away then LOL poor bubba .
James Bond movies
STILL THE BEST!
I didn't say this movie would be good. Hell no.
But that doesn't mean it can't be done. You just need the right people.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 27, 2007, 08:45:05 PM
I didn't say this movie would be good. Hell no.
But that doesn't mean it can't be done. You just need the right people.
I beleive you, but it would take a russian business man, and a bottle of whiskey to get any "half decent" director to touch this thing again, never mind a scott or cameron.
The potential is there, the people are not.
And lets not forget the actors, Mr Bale, would you like to see the script for Alien 5?
I also would like to add that Jim Cameron found the idea to team these species up as a huge mistake. He thought it would make the films very superficial and gimmicky like wolf man vs godzilla. I think it can be done but I can see where this mindset has arisen.
Jim Cameron also dumbed the Aliens down for the mass audience and pretty much ignored a lot of things Alien set down because he didn't like it. Why should we care what he thinks?
Well, being a massive fan , I do. I think the mans quite an intelligent director if not one of the hugest contributors to scifi/fiction of our time.
AVP doesnt get the respect it might, because it chooses to put VS in the title
That means cheese for alot of the public
Jim Cameron didn't dumb them down! He made them scary!!!!
And what did the first Alien lay down that Cameron ignored? He took the idea and ran with it. Alien without that cocoon scene with Dallas and Brett is left open to a lot of things.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Aug 27, 2007, 09:05:38 PM
Jim Cameron didn't dumb them down!
Why do you think there's a Queen? Cameron said that the idea of egg morphing was too complex an idea to communicate to the general public so he simplified the life cycle.
When Jim Cameron speaks, I listen.
But that scene was cut out. No where in the theatrical cut of Alien does it show anything about egg morphing. I don't blame Cameron for changing it either. He came up with something more interesting. To me at least.
It doesn't change the fact that he changed it because he thought his audience was going to be made of idiots who wouldn't be able to put 2 and 2 together.
I thought the Little kid getting face hugged was funny...Umm..I mean sad! No..I laughed...that should be interesting to see how they go through with the lil kid and his chest burster...
I can enjoy aliens the movie a bit more than alien due to more content and some good characters imo but as for the alien itself I just feel like it was seriosly downgraded and really lost alot of the mystery it was in alien instead of a the perfect organism we get a alien insect.
as sil said avp can be done right if effort is given I belive avp2 on the pc is the best reprensentation of this. It has no timeline errors and respects both creatures equally from both of their source material.It has an nice storyline if they can do this on a video game than they can do on the big screen.
Quote from: Katarn on Aug 26, 2007, 05:28:27 PM
Too extreme and sadisctic for my taste. :-[
And the Chest Burster scene in A1?
I agree, it is a little over the top gore, but not all A and P movies have to use the same formula.
We don't want these films to become; "gee tehy dont evr show teh gore" type of films, and I think they may be making up for the lack of gore in AVP1.
What always annoyed me was when scifi films would get softened down because kids like fictional elements: anything that has creatures or gadgets in it. There IS a such thing as adult fiction, so I am glad we have an R again, if not anything else.
Quote from: highlandpred on Aug 27, 2007, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 27, 2007, 08:45:05 PM
I didn't say this movie would be good. Hell no.
But that doesn't mean it can't be done. You just need the right people.
I beleive you, but it would take a russian business man, and a bottle of whiskey to get any "half decent" director to touch this thing again, never mind a scott or cameron.
The potential is there, the people are not.
And lets not forget the actors, Mr Bale, would you like to see the script for Alien 5?
yeah could i see the script to alien 5?
Quote from: highlandpred on Aug 27, 2007, 08:48:42 PM
I beleive you, but it would take a russian business man, and a bottle of whiskey to get any "half decent" director to touch this thing again, never mind a scott or cameron.
LOL... there does seem to be a stigma now, doesnt it?
The first thing that poped in my head when I saw the guys face melt was, "Oh no! Im mellltttiinggggg. . . .!"
Quote from: Chaotic-Strike on Aug 27, 2007, 09:47:51 PM
as for the alien itself I just feel like it was seriosly downgraded and really lost alot of the mystery it was in alien instead of a the perfect organism we get a alien insect.
if you want mystery don't make a sequel. if you make a sequel you have to explore the creature, taking away from its mystery. this is how it goes, if you want the alien from alien 1 watch the movie and imagine there would have never been a sequel.
actually theres alot of mystery left in the aliens...are they natural or did someone make them? do they have a homeworld and if so what is it like? how do queens come about if there arent any queen facehuggers? how do two hives co-exist in the same area while collecting hosts in the same area? how did the predators come across the aliens?
I loved the acid face brunign effect