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After seeing Ridley Scott's Prometheus and Alien:Covenant what do you guys think should happen from here on out?

I've been hearing some audiences express a great desire for a change and to bring back more action-packed, classic-heroic tones with Blomkamp's Alien film. I think wiping Scott's team down clean and reassemblying a new one would be very beneficial for Ridley next time around. Not only was Damon Lindelof's writing massively criticized by fans after Prometheus but now Alien:Covenant is being gouged out now too, everything from the editing to the actors and pacing. Even though I don't have anything wrong with Alien:Covenant I feel like Blomkamp's Alien 5 film is still the Alien film that would deliver much better domestically here to fans in the States and abroad to other countries. It would do a real Fan service to make Blomkamp's Alien 5. I don't personally care about the people on here that are debbie-downers and want to put down the AlienS fan boys. It's those negative people here that need to realize that the ALIENS fans are a BIG part of what make this fanbase up.

To see Sigourney Weaver as Ripley with Michael Biehn as Hicks again in an all out onslaught against the Aliens would be a fanboy's dream no matter what you say.

I don't think Ridley's plan for an entire trilogy after Prometheus is going to pan out, not with the diminishing returns we're already seeing. I liked Covenant though and do hope we get just one more film to wrap up David's story.

My vote, however, goes to Alien 5 because that's the movie I wanted in the first damn place.

Quote from: Chronicle on May 29, 2017, 11:08:58 AM
To see Sigourney Weaver as Ripley with Michael Biehn as Hicks again in an all out onslaught against the Aliens would be a fanboy's dream no matter what you say.

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100%, they should do Blomkamp's film now.  It is clear that Ridley Scott has been trying to push away all other films in the series that were not his so that it could be his baby completely, so I want to see James Cameron's film get some more respect with a much different and hopefully better sequel.

They can do both. As you say, it would be a shame now not to see the end of David's story, but equally NB's proposal - given that its in the future as far at the chronology goes, can and indeed should happen.

I think it was Giler who said something like you could film two hour of someone taking a piss and call it Alien and it'd make money.

Honestly - riding the nostalgia wave I think would make Alien5 (or is it .2. Or AL III EN as someone on here did which I think is genius) more of an event movie for sure. It would get more than just the fans excited, I think.

Look - Covenant had some interesting themes, but it wasn't "OMG, Wow" - it was OK, I'd like to hear the commentary, I think and watch the extended version with all the bits added back in - I think that'd help, even if it won't get around the liberties taken with established canon.

Honestly - as I say - I think there is room for both.

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Quote from: Chronicle on May 29, 2017, 11:08:58 AM
To see Sigourney Weaver as Ripley with Michael Biehn as Hicks again in an all out onslaught against the Aliens would be a fanboy's dream no matter what you say.

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Agreed. If they absolutely must bring back Hicks and Ripley to sate the hunger of ravenous fanboys, it should be in a supporting role to ease the inevitable transition toward a new hero/protagonist.

And, good lord, if Newt returns it better be expertly-written and not made so on the nose that it is Newt. In other words, the only purpose it would be able to aptly serve is to f**k with the viewer's head and add onto whatever already latent element of psychology is already indicative therein (in the film), which actually brings me to a more important point... replace all the philosophical crap with a psychological element IMMEDIATELY!

Big NO

I rather have them ditch and bury Blomkamp's A5 for all eternity.

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 30, 2017, 07:36:04 PM
Big NO

I rather have them ditch and bury Blomkamp's A5 for all eternity.

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This, so much THIS!

Nope, let Ridley finish this trilogy and THEN let Blomkamp make an Alien movie, it doesn't have to involve Ripley and let's be honest here, by the time Ridley makes another movie Sigourney and Michael will be too old to reprise their roles anyway; his original story didn't involve Ripley anyway, it was only after discussing his ideas that she got on board.

Quote from: N-Shifter on May 30, 2017, 10:59:46 PM
Nope, let Ridley finish this trilogy and THEN let Blomkamp make an Alien movie, it doesn't have to involve Ripley and let's be honest here, by the time Ridley makes another movie Sigourney and Michael will be too old to reprise their roles anyway; his original story didn't involve Ripley anyway, it was only after discussing his ideas that she got on board.

Agreed. Let Ridley do his run first and then let Blomkamp come for his project (without Ripley, Hicks and Newt please) and I think we'd all be happy. Ripley's easily replaceable with a new character.

We don't need a Ripley clone. Just have human characters that distinguish themselves from established characters.

If we really must get Signourney on board, then let it be a story about Ripley-8 after Resurrection. I'm interested in seeing what happened to her.

Ridley first. It Blomkamp gives us the Alien film we all want it'll be a downer to go back to the weird stuff Scott is doing.

I agree that we should see Ridley's thing out first... age aside, I can't see NB tackling this without Sigourney and Michael, though... I mean, Arine's still making action movies and he's in his 70s. Michael is 60 now and Sigourney 67.

Or at least it would be a hard sell, since the clamour for the film came from those images... and that was outside of the "fandom" - the internet went into melt down over it.

In my wildest dreams, I wish they would shoot it concurrently. I mean, my gut feel is that David's arc must tie into the "thousands of eggs" on LV-426, so I can't see that the the prequels will overtly affect the next two movies in terms of continuity.

Don't get me wrong - I hear all the arguments for not retconning: but that is a moot point of NB makes the movie based on the concept art he hawked around.

That said, I've seen the new teaser he's brought out. Maybe he's going to do an Asylum and basically do the movie he wanted but with "not-xenomorphs." ;D

Quote from: Lonely Universe on May 30, 2017, 11:42:52 PM
Ridley first. It Blomkamp gives us the Alien film we all want it'll be a downer to go back to the weird stuff Scott is doing.

Good luck working out what that is.

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Quote from: Lonely Universe on May 30, 2017, 11:42:52 PM
Ridley first. It Blomkamp gives us the Alien film we all want it'll be a downer to go back to the weird stuff Scott is doing.

Good luck working out what that is.

I agree.

I think ALIEN 5 it would work better with new characters.

Tom Hardy as The General of The Marines versus Aliens.

What if it turned out in the film that it wasn't even Ripley at all, but the Hive superconsciousness infiltrating the mind of the new protagonist, and everything Ripley says to her turns out to lead her further down the path toward the protagonist becoming the antagonist, and becoming hijacked by the Hivemind by the films conclusion, after slowly and painfully being absorbed at the genetic level into the Viral Overlord of the Aliens (the self-aware biotechnology that rebelled against and enslaved the Engineers driving them to extinction). What if Newt never existed, and was a figment of Ripley's latent instability result from losing her daughter (Amanda Ripley) and outliving her by decades? What if the Hive (through the Acheron Queen) was manipulating Ripley the entire time to try to assimilate her?

You could take the motherhood themes from Aliens and warp them and spin them and twist them into something truly horrific and abominable. The plot could involve mind control through dreams, and the alien energy that streams into the mind of an unconscious host of the facehugger/chestburster, and the connection of the Hivemother/Ultramorph with the other Aliens and those that had been chosen as hosts during any given infestation, yet managed to escape. The idea of an Alien of All Aliens warping peoples' minds and driving them into submission from lightyears away has always seemed fittingly Lovecraftian and snugly at place in the Alien series, and the idea would be that this Ultramorph and the Xenomorphs are mere appendages of a metaphysical primordial entity that has lain dormant beyond the laws of time and space, manifesting itself via rampant self-aware biotechnology that had literally evolved to become a 'second nature' (that Giger theorized about in his visions) and a rogue pocket dimension unto itself slowly tearing apart the fabric of spacetime through the effect of the observer (host) on particles and quantum physics. The Engineers did not invent this technology, and they were not the first to stumble upon it. It is the immovable, unstoppable, eternal counterbalance to natural organic life, the physical embodiment of raw nature and an Alien God.

In this way, the Alien Hive would function as a nation-state unto itself. Armed Forces (Xenomorphs), a Head-of-State/C-in-C (Queen/Ultramorph), language (telepathy), and a culture revolving around their eternal and unconscious service toward the spreading of... not democracy... but the genetic code that will unite all life throughout time and space with the True Messiah and the One True Mind. This could be further highlighted by having human government structures (i.e. a President) to contrast it with, and it all circles around back to the original political themes of Alien and Aliens (the Company, Special Order 937, etc), having it culminate in one final battle between warring Genetic Nations. Not a battle of firepower though, but primarily a Cold War, fought through the fragility of sanity and the omnipotence of fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of the strange. Not Man v. Nature. But Nature Unleashed. Nature Unchallenged. Perfection Through Chaos.

Nope. Because if Blomkamp's Alien 5 was made before Alien Covenant it would confuse new viewers or maybe new fans, so let Ridley finishes his trilogy and then Blomkamp's.

Quote from: NeoXenoPred on Jun 15, 2017, 02:52:52 AM
Nope. Because if Blomkamp's Alien 5 was made before Alien Covenant it would confuse new viewers or maybe new fans, so let Ridley finishes his trilogy and then Blomkamp's.

Absolutely. I was just throwing ideas out there for people to contribute to/play around with. I think the best bet would be to have Ripley/Weaver in a cameo role. Like they find a transmission of sorts that answers some questions about why Hicks is back alongside a Newt-like character (that is discovered to be under the influence of the Hive, and not really Newt). You could have the opening credits layered over various overlapping news audio concerning the growing view among the public that the 'incidents on Fiorina-161 and LV-426 were connected, and how nobody really knows what happened to Ripley beyond the unhinged and surreal recounting of the events by the "only known survivor" Robert Morse. Yet, he is found to be a liar when other inmates turn up, raising the spectre of a cover-up (the Company offing people that could potentially expose them and their connection to the incidents).

Blomkamp save Alien

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on May 30, 2017, 07:36:04 PM
Big NO

I rather have them ditch and bury Blomkamp's A5 for all eternity.

Yup, that.

Blomkamp has I think forever damaged his reputation with the way he tried to muscle in with the awful 'fan' service of his Alien5 (3.2)

Agreed.  He should have kept his mouth shut. 

Would have saved everyone a lot of misery.

-Windebieste.

I have a feeling that without Blomkamp, Covenant wouldn't have been released as it was. Which would have been fine by me as I dislike the Aliens inclusion in the film.

And also, I re-iterate again that Blomkamp's film started as something completely different until Weaver got involved. It's getting boring seeing some of the attitude towards him.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 24, 2017, 11:39:57 AM
I have a feeling that without Blomkamp, Covenant wouldn't have been released as it was. Which would have been fine by me as I dislike the Aliens inclusion in the film.

And also, I re-iterate again that Blomkamp's film started as something completely different until Weaver got involved. It's getting boring seeing some of the attitude towards him.

So, it's Sigourney Weaver's fault?.

Weaver made 3 films with Ridley Scott: ALIEN, 1492 and EXODUS. I doubt their relationship is bad or awful.

Blomkamp was repeatedly talked about how the film took the direction we all know about after chatting to Weaver while working on Chappie. It was re-iterated in another interview recently.

Quote"I basically worked on Alien for about...I met Sigourney on Chappie and I had a different idea for an Alien film I wanted to make. So I had this idea for a story set in the world of those two first films that was not a continuation of James Cameron's. It was just in the world of it and it had a totally different character that was the lead character. Because my assumption was that Sigourney would just never make another one and I told her about it on Chappie and she was like "No, no, no! I actually would make another one because I felt like Ripley's story didn't end correctly." I was like "oh, okay. That's amazing!"

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/07/09/neill-blomkamp-talks-deevolution-alien-3-2/

I think Blomkamp is doing some interesting things for Steam and now he's making a film RENDERED in Unity, which you'll be able to step in by using VR headset, I think that's a first! And that's great! Keep 'em coming. However, I'm not any bit more convinced about his ability to helm an Alien film.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 24, 2017, 11:39:57 AM
I have a feeling that without Blomkamp, Covenant wouldn't have been released as it was. Which would have been fine by me as I dislike the Aliens inclusion in the film.

And also, I re-iterate again that Blomkamp's film started as something completely different until Weaver got involved. It's getting boring seeing some of the attitude towards him.

The reason why people give Blomkamp shit is because he openly tried to make an Alien film when he knew Ridley's prequel films weren't finished. It was an incredibly shitty thing to do, and it divided the fanbase. Also, his film did not appear to have one original idea in it from what he said. It was essentially a remake of James Cameron's film.

He'll probably get to make it eventually, though; considering how many youtubers and people with access to Fox such as you are demanding it to get made.

That wasn't on Blomkamp either, that was on Fox. He wasn't pushing for the film; he posted some fan art, fans lost their shit, the noise got Fox's ear, they started toying with developing the concept.

Quote from: Alionic on Jul 28, 2017, 02:33:08 AM
It was essentially a remake of James Cameron's film.

That it is.

There was a storyline circulated?

I don't think Blomkamp posted that concept art by accident.

Quote from: SM on Jul 28, 2017, 03:23:05 AM
There was a storyline circulated?

If it quacks like a duck..

Quote from: SM on Jul 28, 2017, 05:34:38 AM

Quote from: SM on Jul 28, 2017, 03:23:05 AM
There was a storyline circulated?

Blomkamp's artwork had an Alien Queen, Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and pulse rifles. Don't be dense. It was going to be Aliens: Part II.

Translation - We have no idea and we're making shit up.

Precisely. People are making assumptions. Just because it might have involved a Queen or Newt or Ripley or Pulse Rifles doesn't automatically make it Aliens 2.0.

Alien 3 all of those things. That most definitely wasn't Aliens 2.0.

Don't forget that Blomkamp also talked about how much Alien: Isolation influenced the direction he was going to take on the film and somewhere he also spoke about how fond he was of the psycho-sexual nature of Alien too.

There is absolutely no guarantee this was going to be Aliens 2.0.

Yup. Grab some out of context stills from Resurrection and you could call it Aliens 2.0.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 28, 2017, 02:40:08 AM
That wasn't on Blomkamp either, that was on Fox. He wasn't pushing for the film; he posted some fan art, fans lost their shit, the noise got Fox's ear, they started toying with developing the concept.

He made a formal pitch in a meeting with Fox. The art he posted online was from that pitch. Although he said that "Fox never said no" he didn't think that he was going to do it anymore. Which is why he posted the pitch art online, same thing with all the Halo stuff he made. It's quite common, happens with lots of abandoned film proposals.

So he was obviously pushing for the film at one stage but by the time he posted the pitch art online he wasn't really interested anymore.

Not sure why certain nutters on here are getting their knickers in a knot over Blomkamp wanting to make an Alien film while Prometheus II wasn't even in active pre-production. Prometheus II's production only resumed in earnest after Blomkamp's pitch and for a while the two films were being developed concurrently for a 2017 release for both. But at one point Fox likely decided to play it safe and only develop one film for now and so decided to pursue the Prometheus sequel but now with added Aliens and 90% less Prometheusy stuff.

Quote from: SM on Jul 28, 2017, 08:46:25 AM
Yup. Grab some out of context stills from Resurrection and you could call it Aliens 2.0.

Don't be dense. At the very least he admitted to retconning Alien 3 by bringing back Hicks and Newt, which was a bad idea.

You've still not indicated how you know this would be Aliens 2.0.

Blomkamp's artwork and statements indicated as such.

Edit: Also if you disagree, thats fine. I'm not dragging this out.

Blomkamp's artwork indicates a military angle.  Calling it Aliens 2.0 - and then calling people dense when they ask for more information - is wank.

Quote from: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 12:09:45 AM
Blomkamp's artwork indicates a military angle.  Calling it Aliens 2.0 - and then calling people dense when they ask for more information - is wank.

His entire career(His 3 movies) are about Military, action scenes and his social theories. His entire style is close to ALIENS.

So? How does that make his film Aliens 2.0?

I really wouldn't mind an Aliens remake if they kept elderly Ripley and Hicks out of it TBH.

Quote from: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 01:04:54 AM
So? How does that make his film Aliens 2.0?

We don't know. But based in his entire career, Blomkamp is like a mediocre copy of Cameron(his superior master).

Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 29, 2017, 06:03:26 PM

Quote from: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 01:04:54 AM
So? How does that make his film Aliens 2.0?

We don't know.

Yup! Done.

We can only base our opinions on the concept art - nuff said.

You also have the comments Blomkamp has made in interviews and etc. Which still don't lead to this being Aliens 2.0

ALIENS (1986) HAS THE FRANCHISE MONOPOLY ON GUNS. NOOOOOOO MORE PEW PEW OR ITS GONNA BE ALIENS AGAIN!

I am not going to tell you about the condescension again, Bishop. You've had temp bans for it in the past. Next time and it's going to be permanent.

Why not, just to try something else, but i don't think we're going to get it.