Hi all,
Just wondering what peoples opinion is on the Predator 'winning in the next film?
I get the whole people like a good underdog triumph story, but I personally feel like the films are missing an ending where in the final fight the Predator is victorious and goes home happy.
Id like to bring back the sense of threat to our main hero (let's face it we know who it is in each film) and on a first watch not know if they are going to make it out the other side.
What do you all think?
It depends on what type of story you want to tell. It's feasible, but it'll be hard.
Killing the Predator off in every movie is starting to give the impression that they're just an occasional menace rather than a proper threat.
I'd like to see the Predator be something more than a clumsy sasquach with gadgets. I want to see more enthusiasm within their violent intereactions rather than just annoyed aggression. Feral is moving in the right direction in this respect.
In the very least have them move with more skill and purpose. They're supposed to be super fast, yet the films don't often portray this very well.
Feral is the most clumsy Sasquatch of a Predator to date. Bring back the blistering speed and cunning of the original.
Should a Predator live? No. Could they? Depends on the story you're trying to tell. As a cop out "ha, the villain isn't actually dead!" or sequel bait I'd say no.
Predators could've done it nicely.
I'd love to see an adaptation of the video game Predator: Concrete Jungle (or something along the same lines), with a protagonist Predator who wins/lives.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 07, 2022, 09:03:41 PMI'd love to see an adaptation of the video game Predator: Concrete Jungle (or something along the same lines), with a protagonist Predator who wins/lives.
Exactly this. Done as a two part movie. Act one being the hunt gone wrong and his isolation. Act two in the futuristic city taking revenge.
Yes please! That would be great and also it would be a huge chance to expand the yautja lore and show more of them and how they think and how their society and everything works, not overexplaining it but a glimpse would be amazing.
Im all for the predator to win, just like having a story where xenomorphs win or at least: end with a dark ending. But it all comes down to how good the story is and type of story one want to tell. :)
They'll need to build even more confidence in the franchise with more hit movies before they ever make a Predator protagonist one
If he doesn't win, per se, even just slinking away to mend his wounds. I understand they're not comfortable in making the character a heroic figure.
Understandably so.
somebody needs to make a Concrete Jungle movie
What he said
Loved that game, even beat the game while taking no upgrades whatsoever as a challenge which was quite fulfilling for me.
Wait, are we talking game or comic here ?
Depends on how the story is done, I would rather we wait a few more years. I don't have confidence to Hollywood to experiment with new formulas. But the first story of the flintlock, the predator comes out on top, and pretty much the only one that makes it out alive in the battle.
I loved concrete jungle. But to adapt that, you'd have to change numerous things in order to avoid resembling too much to P2, considering this game was heavily inspired by it.
I wouldn't even try to adapt the game scene for scene, but to just see a similar take on the story and setting with a Predator as a villain protagonist up against even more villainy organized crime in a futuristic city with flying cars and shit.
God yes
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 08, 2022, 06:55:23 PMI loved concrete jungle. But to adapt that, you'd have to change numerous things in order to avoid resembling too much to P2, considering this game was heavily inspired by it.
A futuristic city with highly advanced technology would be the big point of difference.
Without a doubt. It would make for a more realistic film.
After the success of Prey, I'm hoping we get a Concrete Jungle style game for next gen consoles. No more multiplayer stuff. Give me a meaty solo story.
I'm actually in favour of a future Predator film where the Predator survives in the end. Provided of course they execute the premise well. It needs a good story that provides justification for the Predator hopping back in his spacecraft with a victorious roar in the end. The real question is, what kind of story resulting in that ending do you want to watch?
Concrete Jungle's explanation is enough for me. He's killing genuine bad guys, thus it's more of a public service than pure terrorism.
A Predator anti-hero would be fine, someone like Wolf or Crucified that works alongside humans (but not together) and actually survives. Greyback is a good opportunity for the next movie.
Of course, how else does Grey Back get the pistol
Predator: Captive would be a good comic to take inspiration from.
Quote from: Cougerboy on Aug 12, 2022, 11:06:04 AMI'm actually in favour of a future Predator film where the Predator survives in the end. Provided of course they execute the premise well. It needs a good story that provides justification for the Predator hoping back in his spacecraft with a victorious roar in the end. The real question is, what kind of story resulting in that ending do you want to watch?
This. I'd like to see a Predator survive at the end, but only with a clever enough story that doesn't go overboard with over-characterizing the Predator, or have him just mow down everyone in his path. It's typically the villain, and a character we usually like to see as the villain. Give him too much of a personality, then we start humanizing too much and the mystery dissipates.
Royce and Isabelle escaping the Reserve planet could've let the Predators win.
Royce sacrificing himself so Isabelle could escape could let the Predator win and claim his prize trophy.
The latter would keep Royce's redemption arc, let a Predator win, and not be a complete downer ending. Win win win.
That I would have seriously dug.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 12, 2022, 11:43:22 PMRoyce and Isabelle escaping the Reserve planet could've let the Predators win.
Royce sacrificing himself so Isabelle could escape could let the Predator win and claim his prize trophy.
The latter would keep Royce's redemption arc, let a Predator win, and not be a complete downer ending. Win win win.
This I would have loved to see.
There definitely needs to be one or two movies where the Predator wins. It would a good decision to expand the franchise on a story-telling level and just make the point that the winners we've seen are exceptions, not rules. Potentially a Prey sequel could go there, maybe, but ya never know.
Plus, it would be nice to tell those trolls that have been meme-ing the whole "only loser Predators come to Earth" nonsense after Prey to piss off.
Quote from: RoguePred1987 on Sep 07, 2022, 07:50:20 PMThere definitely needs to be one or two movies where the Predator wins. It would a good decision to expand the franchise on a story-telling level and just make the point that the winners we've seen are exceptions, not rules. Potentially a Prey sequel could go there, maybe, but ya never know.
Plus, it would be nice to tell those trolls that have been meme-ing the whole "only loser Predators come to Earth" nonsense after Prey to piss off.
It's pretty clear the Predator's "win" more often than they lose though, just based on the first two films.
Predators kill until they get killed or until their "season" comes to an end. Jungle Hunter had a reputation in the jungle that stemmed back quite away. Greyback clearly had a lot of experience. Wolf clearly saw a lot of stuff in his day. Everything Keyes says in the van indicates they come around a lot, do their hunting, and then leave. In fact, as I recall, one of the original ideas for Predator 2 was that those Predators showed up because they learned about what Dutch had done in the first film. Whether that's canonical or not, it still speaks to a general creative idea... and then of course we have Noland talking about "Them" in Predators. They get "very interested" when one of us manages to kill one of them. Which, to my read anyway, indicates we don't often do that.
Which is why we are watching the movies we are watching. These are the few times the humans actually win.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 15, 2022, 04:46:37 AMQuote from: RoguePred1987 on Sep 07, 2022, 07:50:20 PMThere definitely needs to be one or two movies where the Predator wins. It would a good decision to expand the franchise on a story-telling level and just make the point that the winners we've seen are exceptions, not rules. Potentially a Prey sequel could go there, maybe, but ya never know.
Plus, it would be nice to tell those trolls that have been meme-ing the whole "only loser Predators come to Earth" nonsense after Prey to piss off.
It's pretty clear the Predator's "win" more often than they lose though, just based on the first two films.
Predators kill until they get killed or until their "season" comes to an end. Jungle Hunter had a reputation in the jungle that stemmed back quite away. Greyback clearly had a lot of experience. Wolf clearly saw a lot of stuff in his day. Everything Keyes says in the van indicates they come around a lot, do their hunting, and then leave. In fact, as I recall, one of the original ideas for Predator 2 was that those Predators showed up because they learned about what Dutch had done in the first film. Whether that's canonical or not, it still speaks to a general creative idea... and then of course we have Noland talking about "Them" in Predators. They get "very interested" when one of us manages to kill one of them. Which, to my read anyway, indicates we don't often do that.
Which is why we are watching the movies we are watching. These are the few times the humans actually win.
Well said my friend!
A movie that is focused on a basic hunt of humans on Earth? No, I don't think the predator should win.
But if there is more going on within the story, like a bad-blood scenario or feuding tribes on a hunting planet, then I am all for a Predator character (preferably the "good" guy) coming out on top. It's just a matter of how it's done and presented.
A new AVP movie might be able to pull off the Predator winning at the end as long as it doesn't come at the expense of cheapening the Alien(s).
The only contexts I see such an idea working in are (1) if the Predator is the Moby Dick to the main character's Ahab or (2) a 'Bad Blood' kind of storyline.
A standard Predator formula film would (and should) never let the Predator win.