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Title: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 16, 2018, 12:30:59 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnu61lFH-La/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=354ihdmuqjk1
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 12:41:54 PM
Damn, I really loved the fugitive. Damn shame we didn't get more screen time with him
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Fugitive Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 12:46:01 PM
yeah he is my favorite predator in a long long time :D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 12:46:01 PM
yeah he is my favorite predator in a long long time :D

I agree
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Wolverine Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 01:20:10 PM
He definitely was bad ass for sure
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/01VE8dQ.jpg)

Personal favorite, those fishnets just make it all the more erotic.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Fugitive Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 02:14:05 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/01VE8dQ.jpg)

Personal favorite, those fishnets just make it all the more erotic.  :laugh:

is it weird that i find this hawt ?  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lionhart on Sep 16, 2018, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/01VE8dQ.jpg)

Personal favorite, those fishnets just make it all the more erotic.  :laugh:

Cool. Haha
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 02:45:40 PM
More pls.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Fugitive Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 03:00:55 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 02:45:40 PM
More pls.

easy there tiger !  ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 16, 2018, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/01VE8dQ.jpg)

Personal favorite, those fishnets just make it all the more erotic.  :laugh:

What's the source? Thanks. :)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: yautjapet on Sep 16, 2018, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 02:14:05 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/01VE8dQ.jpg)

Personal favorite, those fishnets just make it all the more erotic.  :laugh:

is it weird that i find this hawt ?  :laugh:

Not at all... I saved the pic immediately...  ;)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 16, 2018, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/01VE8dQ.jpg)

Personal favorite, those fishnets just make it all the more erotic.  :laugh:

What's the source? Thanks. :)

So someone from Facebook shared this one. Here's a link to their post!

https://m.facebook.com/groups/127566320763609?view=permalink&id=971158013071098&comment_id=971557873031112&notif_t=group_comment_reply&notif_id=1537030663614112&ref=m_notif

Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 02:45:40 PM
More pls.

Well, well, well! Look who's joined the club  ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Sep 16, 2018, 06:11:12 PM
Oh yes, more pls indeed  ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Sep 16, 2018, 06:31:48 PM
Book should be out soon.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 16, 2018, 11:23:52 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnzYWvwjHrr/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnzp1KznaKI/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnzsI2DHQl6/?taken-by=brianho720



Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 16, 2018, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/01VE8dQ.jpg)

Personal favorite, those fishnets just make it all the more erotic.  :laugh:

What's the source? Thanks. :)


I think I found the source:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnrqXabBSIm/?taken-at=6865780

QuoteIn 2017 I had my first gig in the Movie Biz where I worked as the Assistant to the Producer on the 20th Century Fox film THE PREDATOR! It's out in theatres tomorrow, go see it! 👽🎥 (trailer link in bio) #thepredator
The free food, new friends (@annaperzel @farrell504 @megschauf ), hugs from @_trevante_ and hot chocolate from @jacobtremblay were totally worth the loooong hours, 6 weeks of night shoots, standing around in Vancouver's winter rain filling apples with peanut butter and delivering sugar-free red bull . #glam #hollywood ...


https://www.instagram.com/p/BnzvvvMniBH/?taken-at=6865780


https://www.instagram.com/p/BnzHhQlHL8Z/?taken-by=gracie_wachtstetter_306

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnvAgNSB-UB/?taken-by=cayleymua


https://www.instagram.com/p/BnwTFRjBjPe/?tagged=thepredator

QuoteWhat an experience throwing this costume on and getting to play such a cool character like the Predator for some of this movie. Huge thanks to @thebaprince and @actorkylestrauts for showing me the ropes. Who knew being tall would land such a cool gig. GO WATCH!! #thepredator #20thcenturyfox #actor #stunts
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2018, 07:41:29 AM
Posted by ace in the social thread -

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnwXcXwhWae/?utm_source=ig_embed
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2018, 07:53:06 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn1k5UBg9Ra/?taken-by=peter.shinkoda
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Sep 17, 2018, 08:47:03 PM
The book is out soon, right?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2018, 09:49:26 PM
25th, I think. The Collectors Edition is out tomorrow though.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 18, 2018, 12:11:18 AM
Trying to find origin of this photo

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn1dFxHBSmG/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnyqxrqjPTl/?tagged=thepredator


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn2YVd9nXxT/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn2QpZKH2l5/?tagged=thepredator
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Sep 18, 2018, 02:53:16 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 18, 2018, 12:11:18 AM
Trying to find origin of this photo

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn1dFxHBSmG/?tagged=thepredator

Not of any help, but oh my  :o :o
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: yautjapet on Sep 18, 2018, 01:57:36 PM
Well, I can't pretend I'm not pleased to wake up to that....
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 19, 2018, 01:51:07 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn4Fc83H5IT/?tagged=thepredator
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: RidgeTop on Sep 19, 2018, 07:20:43 AM

 The Predator

A new behind the scenes book for The Predator released today from Titan Books. Similar to last year’s Alien Covenant: The Official Collector's Edition, this book titled: The Predator: The Official Movie Special mainly features interviews with the cast and crew, but also included are a nice bunch of new unseen photos and concept art. You can order the book through Amazon (US / UK)

Check out a few scans below:

Among these images is a torso stand in for the “Upgrade” Predator in the film. This was likely used for lighting reference for the CGI artists to work with in post-production rather than as a planned practical effect of any kind. The Upgrade design appears slightly different here than what we see in the final film.

We also can see some concept art of the Project Stargazer facility, as well as the military guarding a Predator ship; likely from a scene that was cut from the film.

I would assume we’ll find plenty of other new photos and concepts in the more comprehensive behind the scenes book for the film landing next week: The Predator: The Art and Making of the Film. (Amazon US / UK)

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Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wweyland on Sep 19, 2018, 09:04:32 AM
I hope the book covers some of the chaotic production as well.
It is mindboggling for me to understand why they choose to focus on the CGI mediocrity that was the Upgrade Predator in the second half of the film when they had a great looking and acting Fugitive Predator on their hands. What a wasted opportunity and mess of a film.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: PredBabe on Sep 19, 2018, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 18, 2018, 12:11:18 AM
Trying to find origin of this photo

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn1dFxHBSmG/?tagged=thepredator

*screenshots*  :D

"Nachos, Lemon Heads, my dad's boat!"
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 19, 2018, 01:28:47 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn5QIcfH7Du/?taken-by=mikemakesmonsters


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn5ba3pHa_q/?tagged=thepredator
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Jango1201 on Sep 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Was there ever an explanation on the fugitives armour? If there wasn't I'd love to know what the thought process was behind it. The armour grew on me a lot but was just wasted in the film. I thought it would at least help in his mission and fight against the Assassin.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: RidgeTop on Sep 19, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: Jango1201 on Sep 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Was there ever an explanation on the fugitives armour? If there wasn't I'd love to know what the thought process was behind it. The armour grew on me a lot but was just wasted in the film. I thought it would at least help in his mission and fight against the Assassin.

They mention that briefly:

(https://i.imgur.com/gfkv2ko.jpg)

Also, it seems this book was completed before the reshoots, as I haven't seen any mention of them and they discuss scenes and characters as if they are still in the film. Case in point: Keegan-Michael Key discussing the "Emissary" Predators.

(https://i.imgur.com/No8OJ8Q.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/RUn2xDt.jpg)

Kinda sucks that "two of the most intriguing characters in the whole piece" were cut from the film entirely.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: oldnorse on Sep 19, 2018, 06:42:53 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnt07JYlQBR/?taken-by=jasonverners (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnt07JYlQBR/?taken-by=jasonverners)

His text:

"So unbelievably stoked to annouce that I am a Creative Consultant for The @predator! The hardest secret to keep was being apart of such a massive project with this amazing cast and crew. Thanks to Shane Black for bringing me on board and all of the cast and crew for treating me so well, and a special shout-out to @alfieeallen for being such a great student of magic throughout the shoot. There is a moment of magic in the film that will make you smile, and it is in theatres today!
Also! Huge thanks to @thezone913 for having me on air yesterday to announce the film, I had a great time, as always. xx
#magician #illusionist #consultant #thepredator #predatormovie #predator #predator2018 #20thcenturyfox #shaneblack #alfieallen #vancouver #yvr #hollywoodnorth #setlife"
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Sep 19, 2018, 09:19:12 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 19, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: Jango1201 on Sep 19, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Was there ever an explanation on the fugitives armour? If there wasn't I'd love to know what the thought process was behind it. The armour grew on me a lot but was just wasted in the film. I thought it would at least help in his mission and fight against the Assassin.

They mention that briefly:

(https://i.imgur.com/gfkv2ko.jpg)

Also, it seems this book was completed before the reshoots, as I haven't seen any mention of them and they discuss scenes and characters as if they are still in the film. Case in point: Keegan-Michael Key discussing the "Emissary" Predators.

(https://i.imgur.com/No8OJ8Q.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/RUn2xDt.jpg)

Kinda sucks that "two of the most intriguing characters in the whole piece" were cut from the film entirely.

This makes me even more curious to understand how the two emissaries went from important and lore-rich roles to essentially Upgrade fodder.  What happened throughout the creative process that led to this change?  Those excerpts make it seem as though at one point, the two held a lot of promise - like initially they were supposed to have more of a role in the movie - more than riding to their deaths.  Was it too controversial to show Predators doing something other than hunting?  Also makes me wonder if there was more to the two that we didn't read about, that ended up actually being filmed...and ultimately tossed.         
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 20, 2018, 12:25:39 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn6-LrAHQm2/?taken-by=actorkylestrauts

QuoteThe process behind the scenes. The artists that built these suits are at the top of their game. Refinements are constant until the day of shooting. #adi #amalgamateddynamics #hollywood #thepredator #behindthescenes #giant #suit #workplay #instagood #follow #pose #art #craftsmanship
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: MrPeterKeyes666 on Sep 20, 2018, 12:45:07 AM
Interview with Larry Fong- https://britishcinematographer.co.uk/larry-fong-asc-the-predator/
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 20, 2018, 11:06:13 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn9uptJnNrk/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn85TAoHgOX/?tagged=thepredator

QuoteMe and pizza face😂 Sometimes we get to work together 😋 @rhysstunts ....
#thepredator #stunts #film #vancity #partnerincrime

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnzRlM8nmPK/?taken-by=trevoraddiewhiteninja

Quotetrevoraddiewhiteninja Thank you @momothesafetymonkey for letting me be the crazy pred dog on The Predator. First action figure. @bonafideblack @keeganmic


https://www.instagram.com/p/BncFXJKhfVi/?taken-by=robertsluggo

QuoteThe new Predator film comes out in theatres today here's Lars and I protecting the snack tent.
#stunts
#film
#predator
I'd follow you into hell @1stuntman2mastiffs 💜


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn-DRXGB3aj/?tagged=thepredator
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 21, 2018, 08:44:20 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn9TrgGnbSb/?hl=en&taken-by=andypoondesign
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 21, 2018, 09:56:19 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn9mdMKBWcj/?tagged=predator
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: HumanPredator on Sep 21, 2018, 02:17:10 PM
The story and characters were crap.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 21, 2018, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 20, 2018, 11:06:13 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn85TAoHgOX/?tagged=thepredator
I wonder what Coyle's death originally entailed, considering the make-up seen here.

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 21, 2018, 02:30:42 PM
He get's mauled by a hybrid.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 21, 2018, 02:49:58 PM
Ah, thanks.  I actually drew a total blank on hybrids at first, but I recall something about weird-o Predator creatures with tentacles and extra arms and stuff?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: bobcunk on Sep 21, 2018, 03:34:53 PM
I hope we see some of thoughts scenes. The effects probably weren't fine but it would be nice to see.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: yarko on Sep 21, 2018, 04:52:18 PM
Being the cinematographer behind Watchmen, 300, Batman V Superman, etc (you cant deny the cintematography in those was masterful), he should have been left in charge of  the decisions in The Predator, at least it would have been a beautiful nonsense and not a dull-looking nonsense. Story and characters in this case are far from good enough, and the action was messy and badly filmed  :'(
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kailem on Sep 21, 2018, 06:17:19 PM
So has anyone spotted the original red suit easter egg that Larry Fong has mentioned is in there somewhere? Nothing springs to mind that I can recall, but I did miss some of the other easter eggs people have pointed out so I clearly just didn't notice it.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: D88M on Sep 21, 2018, 10:26:03 PM
His work with Snyder his great, but the visuals of this movi are so generic anybody could have done it. Also i am sure the movie in its complete form had something resembling a story and characters, but not the movie that we got.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 21, 2018, 11:15:28 PM
I don't get how some people rejoice themselves for the scene with Steve Wilder being cut, and complaining later about the lack of introduction for Casey Brackett  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 21, 2018, 11:35:50 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn_Tr2MnXux/?tagged=thepredator

QuoteCheck out our before and after of #ThePredator! 🎬 Have you seen it yet?
#MPC_Film worked on the Upgraded Predator, the Predator Dogs, environments and some awesome FX effects. #VFX #CharacterLab #visualeffects #vfxbreakdown

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoAD4vEnijV/?tagged=thepredator

QuoteChoosing my outfit for the day. #outfit #thepredator #actorlife #instagood #fridaymood #love #passion #winning #Hollywood #scifi #character #allthewayup

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoAAWYcFtQI/?tagged=thepredator

QuoteIt's Friday!! Great day to catch a movie. Check out The Predator. It's a fun ride. Here's some BTS pics. Enjoy @predator #thepredator #dupree #movies #actor #actorslife #goodtimes #20thcenturyfox #predator

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn1wB4chAz_/?taken-by=danielcudmore

QuoteI had the pleasure of working with an awesome crew of people on #thepredator last year and this year helping to bring the #upgradepredator to life with @glennennis and @prestfortime . I'm a lucky guy to be able to perform as an Actor and Stunt performer with some really talented people. Make sure you check it out! Thanks for having me out @momothesafetymonkey @chriswebb13 👍🏼 @trevoraddiewhiteninja @deltaechovan @tysonarner @stuntmarshall @stuntmarshall @dopudmike @1stuntman2mastiffs @irma_leong @rhysstunts @mowat17 @stuntcarpy @jaybellski @stevensonheath @byronbrisco @stuntshreck @brentwconnolly Director @bonafideblack I'm sure I'm missing a bunch.. good times! #preddog needed a nap! 😜😴

https://www.instagram.com/p/BntLe6Xhy6k/?taken-by=dopudmike

QuoteA little still from my adr session this summer. #thepredator #dupree check it out @predator comes out today #grateful #movies #actorslife

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn4rruRhCQe/?taken-by=glennennis

QuoteCan you see the resemblance? Spent a fair bit of time on stilts as the upgrade predator. As did @prestfortime and @danielcudmore thanks @momothesafetymonkey and @chriswebb13 for the gig. #predator @peacemaker_filmworks #imelevenfeettall

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnyrvzqHQUE/?taken-by=irma_leong

QuoteBTS of #Predator with the smart and strong @oliviamunn. She's the best example of having integrity. I was impressed with her ability to pick up action quickly on set but when she's able to take real action and stand up to the studio and media that's when you have to bow down and give her 100% respect. Olivia, it's been a honour working with you 🙏🏼 .

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn64M1JHP9x/?taken-by=rhysstunts

QuoteHilarious and as professional as they come. It was an honor to #stunt double @keeganmic on #predator last year.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn65MzpH9nW/?taken-by=rhysstunts

Quote@oliviamunn was dope to work with! Definitely one of the guys. .

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnz1qVQnPzF/?taken-by=stuntshreck

QuoteCan't forget to fuel up with a good meal before @1stuntman2mastiffs @byronbrisco @robertsluggo & Myself go off to fight the #predator Don't forget to go see how I die... or do I live...? #stunts
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: jeff161 on Sep 22, 2018, 02:02:01 AM
some new predator concept art
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: bobcunk on Sep 22, 2018, 02:36:21 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 21, 2018, 11:15:28 PM
I don't get how some people rejoice themselves for the scene with Steve Wilder being cut, and complaining later about the lack of introduction for Casey Brackett  :laugh:
lack of introduction? wasn't that her introduction when she was walking her dog?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kailem on Sep 22, 2018, 02:54:28 PM
The part we saw was essentially just the end of the scene that got cut. It was originally a longer scene introducing her, and it's very noticeable how abrupt it is in the final version.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 22, 2018, 03:07:45 PM
Yeah it was supposed to show more of her personality from the get go with a little more depth, but it didn't happen.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 23, 2018, 01:15:15 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoC_RN7B2yv/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoC6-RvhhJW/?tagged=thepredator

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: von on Sep 23, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoEV_zVnn3U/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=upnh4v75p28k

Safe to assume that the Upgrade puppet from recent set photos was in fact an early design that was later scrapped
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 23, 2018, 05:54:25 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoEwWgBgPSZ/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoDM1QFFRfA/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoDNBH6Fuaa/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoDMuVpFOpd/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoC5ezrFHQt/?taken-by=cathandlerpredator
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kailem on Sep 23, 2018, 06:18:34 PM
Love that pic of Fugitive with the gun. Watching him break out of the lab and mow people down almost contemptuously was easily one of my favourite parts of the movie.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: bobcunk on Sep 23, 2018, 09:10:46 PM
Quote from: von on Sep 23, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoEV_zVnn3U/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=upnh4v75p28k

Safe to assume that the Upgrade puppet from recent set photos was in fact an early design that was later scrapped
Yes but he did have the same color and markings in the movie aswell.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Konk on Sep 24, 2018, 07:05:15 PM
Whatever happened to the ADI art book?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 25, 2018, 12:01:56 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoIMcLsnrEK/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoHyydzHuUL/?tagged=thepredator
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 26, 2018, 08:36:01 AM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 26, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
https://www.artofvfx.com/the-predator-vfx-work-by-mpc/
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SyntaX on Sep 27, 2018, 10:06:56 AM
Funny thing is; these "Friendly Predators" had alot more to do in the "Shane Black" version of the movie. Hell, they even created HERO suits (read: expensive ones) for 'em.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Nathsp on Sep 27, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
And they have.. Pants! Yeah!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: bobcunk on Sep 27, 2018, 06:07:02 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 27, 2018, 10:06:56 AM
Funny thing is; these "Friendly Predators" had alot more to do in the "Shane Black" version of the movie. Hell, they even created HERO suits (read: expensive ones) for 'em.
were? What hero suites.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 27, 2018, 06:12:30 PM
They were new suits for the Emissaries. Each had a unique paint job on there too. One was even purplish.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 27, 2018, 06:15:28 PM
Quote from: bobcunk on Sep 27, 2018, 06:07:02 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 27, 2018, 10:06:56 AM
Funny thing is; these "Friendly Predators" had alot more to do in the "Shane Black" version of the movie. Hell, they even created HERO suits (read: expensive ones) for 'em.
were? What hero suites.
In early behind the scenes photos, the friendly predators wore camo pants of sorts.  There was a mild uproar about it.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Sep 28, 2018, 02:43:52 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 27, 2018, 06:12:30 PM
They were new suits for the Emissaries. Each had a unique paint job on there too. One was even purplish.

Are these images uploaded anywhere?  Would like to take a peek.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: biosynth on Sep 28, 2018, 06:35:14 AM
Dear Lary Fong. You are the cinamatographer. Yes, the characters are more important... but your job is all about the look of the film... thus the visuals of the film should be your priority... not the characters. Leave that to the writers.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2018, 07:38:25 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoR2azPHmCt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=tjieakq15y5k
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2018, 08:24:40 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnzRlM8nmPK/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=igqgty8hfml2
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: bobcunk on Sep 28, 2018, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 27, 2018, 06:15:28 PM
Quote from: bobcunk on Sep 27, 2018, 06:07:02 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 27, 2018, 10:06:56 AM
Funny thing is; these "Friendly Predators" had alot more to do in the "Shane Black" version of the movie. Hell, they even created HERO suits (read: expensive ones) for 'em.
were? What hero suites.
In early behind the scenes photos, the friendly predators wore camo pants of sorts.  There was a mild uproar about it.
ya I saw them. But they looked more like stunt suits. By hero I'm thinking fully animatronic face.


Quote from: Wysps on Sep 28, 2018, 02:43:52 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 27, 2018, 06:12:30 PM
They were new suits for the Emissaries. Each had a unique paint job on there too. One was even purplish.

Are these images uploaded anywhere?  Would like to take a peek.
yes in the gallery I assume.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Sep 29, 2018, 12:22:08 AM
A "hero" suit is just a higher quality, close-up friendly suit. From the BTS pictures they did have their masks off at some point so yeah, they probably had fully animatronic faces, too.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Sep 29, 2018, 02:20:25 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoIMcLsnrEK/?taken-by=method_studios

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoSP2ceHARZ/?tagged=thepredator

https://www.artofvfx.com/the-predator-vfx-work-by-method-studios/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoQw0VJnYBM/?tagged=thepredator

#flashbackfriday #thepredator #stunts #stuntman #haventseenthemovieyet #ff
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 29, 2018, 06:27:05 AM
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/gJggWm

The PK
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: goose_3387 on Sep 29, 2018, 07:58:47 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 29, 2018, 06:27:05 AM
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/gJggWm

The PK

Looks better than what we got, but still an awful idea.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Sep 29, 2018, 08:36:18 AM
I'm still not buying it. Not to be a Debbie Downer, but it still looks ridiculous in concept and execution  :(
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Sep 29, 2018, 09:52:24 AM
*immitating Jack Sparrow* "why the dreads?!"
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Nathsp on Sep 29, 2018, 11:09:51 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 29, 2018, 09:52:24 AM
*immitating Jack Sparrow* "why the dreads?!"

Why the whole concept itself...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Sep 29, 2018, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 29, 2018, 11:09:51 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 29, 2018, 09:52:24 AM
*immitating Jack Sparrow* "why the dreads?!"

Why the whole concept itself...
I think it's un wise to hinge the franchise on the comic book plot, but the dreads were the worst idea to it all, besides the canons being as big as logs.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: integer3 on Sep 29, 2018, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 29, 2018, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 29, 2018, 11:09:51 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 29, 2018, 09:52:24 AM
*immitating Jack Sparrow* "why the dreads?!"

Why the whole concept itself...
I think it's un wise to hinge the franchise on the comic book plot, but the dreads were the worst idea to it all, besides the canons being as big as logs.
Dear: Shane Black

You were Great in the First Predator Movie, but we wanted you to know that the Predator already owns a pair of Stark Industries Iron-Pred Suits

01. Predator Blazer

02. Predator Hydra

From AVP Extinction 2003 Video Game

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 30, 2018, 01:23:48 PM



http://www.victor-martinez.com/new-gallery-1/d71zbwearf8khgdd2cw48241p39w58

Way more on his website.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Sep 30, 2018, 02:48:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 30, 2018, 01:23:48 PM
<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Frobotvictorinc%2Fposts%2F1758096584313003&width=500" width="500" height="707" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowTransparency="true" allow="encrypted-media"></iframe>


http://www.victor-martinez.com/new-gallery-1/d71zbwearf8khgdd2cw48241p39w58

Way more on his website.

This is great!  Thanks for sharing it! 👍
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 01, 2018, 08:42:13 AM
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YXdrP

Some more Predator ship artwork. This time from Milena Zdravkovic.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SyntaX on Oct 01, 2018, 09:19:48 AM
The Emissary

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoXh7Rannt3/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1lsjcnq9rfr89


Sjeesh. Movie really got butchered.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 01, 2018, 09:51:57 AM
Actually looks pretty cool. Man, so much money, hard work and creativity tossed in the trash. I would have loved to see those guys on the screen fighting alongside the humans.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 01, 2018, 09:59:05 AM
Aw shit, fingers crossed they will do a second cut in a few years time...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 01, 2018, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 01, 2018, 09:59:05 AM
Aw shit, fingers crossed they will do a second cut in a few years time...
I wish, i really do, but they won't even put an additional cent into this movie, let alone millions to finish the other cut.

I like the movie as it is, and maybe the other version really didn't work, but i'm really curious about those guys in action.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Ryan on Oct 01, 2018, 01:33:30 PM
God! you can tell a lot of thought went into these designs!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 01, 2018, 01:43:24 PM
I would watch another cut of the movie out of curiosity, but wouldn't expect much from it.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Oct 01, 2018, 02:13:05 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 01, 2018, 01:43:24 PM
I would watch another cut of the movie out of curiosity, but wouldn't expect much from it.

Same. I'd expect a lot of the wonky aspects of the story to remain the same, even with another cut. But would be interesting to see the emissaries (if they contributed enough to the plot.)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: HumanPredator on Oct 01, 2018, 03:51:06 PM
Looks like Michael Bay made that
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Ug on Oct 01, 2018, 05:30:38 PM
Wtf ???
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Boi on Oct 01, 2018, 09:34:38 PM
Cool suit, bad bad twist
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Jigsaw85 on Oct 01, 2018, 10:42:39 PM
Always loved the triangular shape of the AVP mothership. Nice to know the first AVP is actually getting some acknowledgment.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Olaf.Brunson on Oct 02, 2018, 12:54:01 AM
Would have lost my shit if they revealed a xeno egg instead.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: D88M on Oct 02, 2018, 02:17:56 AM
I like the third one the most, everything else looks too much like AVP stuff
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Space Invader on Oct 02, 2018, 05:25:25 AM
I want to see a Predator wearing that, not a human.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: brokentusk420 on Oct 02, 2018, 05:37:15 AM
Hahahaha! What garbage someone actually wasted time trying to make this idea happen?! Just when i thought this crap movie couldn't get worse this shit comes on screen. 
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: andreaNZ on Oct 02, 2018, 06:08:20 AM
same here.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Oct 02, 2018, 07:59:31 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoanA-JHiVu/?tagged=thepredator

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 02, 2018, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Oct 02, 2018, 07:59:31 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoanA-JHiVu/?tagged=thepredator

Great pic!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Oct 03, 2018, 02:46:40 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BocLYCyH6v0/?tagged=thepredator
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 03, 2018, 09:38:25 AM
Some more ship artwork >>

https://www.instagram.com/p/BocSmE3ldzN/?tagged=thepredator


And some Upgrade concepts >>

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoaRsXkFn_J/?taken-by=shanebaxley
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 03, 2018, 10:06:46 AM
That ship looks like what the Thomas brothers once described as "extraterestial hunter comes down to hunt and just jump in his pick up truck"

Shame the artbook isn't containing more art like the ADI books did, but all is welcome.

That Upgrade looks like it would bridge both The Predator with Predators more.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 03, 2018, 11:53:37 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 03, 2018, 10:06:46 AM

That Upgrade looks like it would bridge both The Predator with Predators more.

It sure does!  So far I'm glad they went with the final design.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 03, 2018, 12:42:37 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 03, 2018, 11:53:37 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 03, 2018, 10:06:46 AM

That Upgrade looks like it would bridge both The Predator with Predators more.

It sure does!  So far I'm glad they went with the final design.
I'm not. But I'm on team #didntneeddnabltobeginwith, so there's that. I just think bridging them to Predators would be the smarter choice of the two.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 03, 2018, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 03, 2018, 12:42:37 PM

I'm on team #didntneeddnabltobeginwith,

You lost me with #didntneeddnabltobeginwith

Does dnabl stand for something or is it just a typo?  I really can't tell these days.  Texting has given the world too many acronyms!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 03, 2018, 02:22:31 PM
Missed an U and an additional L there. You'll work it out.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: HashTag_TheSwag on Oct 04, 2018, 10:24:35 AM
The Predator Killer = The franchise killer  :'(
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: HumanPredator on Oct 04, 2018, 12:49:05 PM
when the kid mentioned the predator killer in the movie and they started opening it up...i thought shane black was going to walk out.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 04, 2018, 12:55:07 PM
The franchise will not be dead, they will just make smaller movies again.

That's the cool thing with Predator, you can put him in space, in world war, in vietman, in the desert, there are even possbile pirate storys out there.

One thing i'm pretty certain about, they won't go with the Predator-Killer... which is OK in my book.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Gryph on Oct 04, 2018, 01:38:36 PM
I want to see a Venom/Predator crossover!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Subs360 on Oct 04, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
So, has anyone got the art of the predator ? The one with fugitive in black and white on the cover
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Tetsujin on Oct 04, 2018, 07:45:47 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BohZAhQnecL/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1a3h9o3fgpw7y
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: von on Oct 05, 2018, 09:16:26 AM
Quote from: Subs360 on Oct 04, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
So, has anyone got the art of the predator ? The one with fugitive in black and white on the cover

yeah i got it earlier this week. check your nearest bookstore
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 05, 2018, 01:04:59 PM
Quote from: von on Oct 05, 2018, 09:16:26 AM
Quote from: Subs360 on Oct 04, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
So, has anyone got the art of the predator ? The one with fugitive in black and white on the cover

yeah i got it earlier this week. check your nearest bookstore

Wait... there are still bookstores?  ;)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: yaujta on Oct 05, 2018, 07:53:53 PM
iv had my 'art of the predator' book on pre-order from amazon and its been delayed 3 times now, havnt seen it in any shops here otherwise I would have cancelled the order. looking forward to get it.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: jeff161 on Oct 05, 2018, 08:29:28 PM
Really awesome book get it
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: That wasn’t funny man on Oct 05, 2018, 09:30:34 PM
When did the Predator turn in to a Transformer 🤯
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: andreaNZ on Oct 06, 2018, 07:43:37 PM
Exactly. Plus Upgrading, evolving, climate change and the rest.....leave politicsand agenda's  out of it!!!!!!!!!
Next thing we'll have genderfluid Predators......
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Oct 06, 2018, 08:04:52 PM
There's nothing wrong with being gender fluid.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Xan21 on Oct 06, 2018, 08:35:27 PM
Aren't they kinda genderfluid already? They have pussy faces, wear jockstraps, got long hair, massive arms and pecks, fishnet outfit, collect trinkets... and spinal columns and kill like Rambo.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 06, 2018, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: andreaNZ on Oct 06, 2018, 07:43:37 PM
Exactly. Plus Upgrading, evolving, climate change and the rest.....leave politicsand agenda's  out of it!!!!!!!!!
Next thing we'll have genderfluid Predators......

I know climate change is currently a hot button issue that spawns endless debate, but taking the real world out of it for a minute, in "Predator 2" they were already suggesting global warming was occurring due to unfettered pollution, so it's really not a newly added element to the fictional Predator timeline.  I just see the continual heating of the climate as consistent world building.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Samhain13 on Oct 07, 2018, 12:56:59 AM
In Forever Midnight they were hermafrodits and switched between genders, it ended up quite comical. That was a bad novel.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Oct 09, 2018, 03:19:37 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BosbgTXFHFQ/?taken-by=shanebaxley
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Nathsp on Oct 09, 2018, 08:43:37 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 06, 2018, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: andreaNZ on Oct 06, 2018, 07:43:37 PM
Exactly. Plus Upgrading, evolving, climate change and the rest.....leave politicsand agenda's  out of it!!!!!!!!!
Next thing we'll have genderfluid Predators......

I know climate change is currently a hot button issue that spawns endless debate, but taking the real world out of it for a minute, in "Predator 2" they were already suggesting global warming was occurring due to unfettered pollution, so it's really not a newly added element to the fictional Predator timeline.  I just see the continual heating of the climate as consistent world building.

Climate change and global warning can probably end lnto another ice ace, yes, it looks strange, but it is real, so no, its not a world building, even that its stupid.
So a being that can travel via portals throw space and can find any planet decides to wait until polution extincs us... And they added also human dna to themself to breath oxigen, so they have to change all his respiratory system, blood system, celular metabolism..  This movie doesnt have any sense
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 09, 2018, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Nathsp on Oct 09, 2018, 08:43:37 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 06, 2018, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: andreaNZ on Oct 06, 2018, 07:43:37 PM
Exactly. Plus Upgrading, evolving, climate change and the rest.....leave politicsand agenda's  out of it!!!!!!!!!
Next thing we'll have genderfluid Predators......

I know climate change is currently a hot button issue that spawns endless debate, but taking the real world out of it for a minute, in "Predator 2" they were already suggesting global warming was occurring due to unfettered pollution, so it's really not a newly added element to the fictional Predator timeline.  I just see the continual heating of the climate as consistent world building.

Climate change and global warning can probably end lnto another ice ace, yes, it looks strange, but it is real, so no, its not a world building, even that its stupid.

I guess we agree to disagree again! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Sugarcoated on Oct 09, 2018, 07:53:21 PM
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/09/Dotm-crankcase-film-standoff2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140108150317
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Oct 11, 2018, 01:37:59 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BouiNduFqHZ/?tagged=thepredator
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Oct 11, 2018, 03:33:15 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Oct 09, 2018, 03:19:37 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BosbgTXFHFQ/?taken-by=shanebaxley

That interior looks really good. Almost minimalist in a way with all that open space.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 11, 2018, 07:39:03 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BovEEqKFKmc/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=17bmbw2milpps
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 12, 2018, 07:08:47 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BozXnQIHI1m/?taken-by=actorkylestrauts
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 12, 2018, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 12, 2018, 07:08:47 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BozXnQIHI1m/?taken-by=actorkylestrauts

Ha! That is great. It looks like there was a lot of fun being had during production.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Daniil on Oct 15, 2018, 05:15:05 PM
I cannot take it seriously in any possible way, rather as final joke in the film. These dreadloks ;D But just as concept art it looks really cool.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 16, 2018, 07:36:46 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bozc23yFvaC/?taken-by=shanebaxley

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo9vPQrFi6b/?taken-by=shanebaxley
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: CityhunterinPhilly on Oct 17, 2018, 10:15:23 AM
Was having a shitty morning this thread makes it all better. ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2018, 04:14:52 PM
https://www.artofvfx.com/the-predator-matt-sloan-overall-vfx-supervisor/
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kailem on Oct 17, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
That concept art for Stargazer base looks really cool. It's a pity we didn't get to see more of it throughout the film or during Fugitive's breakout.

That pic with the Predator overseeing the guy firing the weapon still just seems odd to me though. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 18, 2018, 05:53:26 AM
https://www.facebook.com/1208931752/posts/10214070838344188/
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 18, 2018, 11:02:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2018, 04:14:52 PM
https://www.artofvfx.com/the-predator-matt-sloan-overall-vfx-supervisor/
The more I read of the making of the movie, the more I shake my head in disbelief. How can so many talented creative people end up with such an uncreative narative on why they changed the looks, the lore and the feel of the Predator and why they felt the need to do so other than it being just... different.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: spinksy on Oct 19, 2018, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 18, 2018, 11:02:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 17, 2018, 04:14:52 PM
https://www.artofvfx.com/the-predator-matt-sloan-overall-vfx-supervisor/
The more I read of the making of the movie, the more I shake my head in disbelief. How can so many talented creative people end up with such an uncreative narative on why they changed the looks, the lore and the feel of the Predator and why they felt the need to do so other than it being just... different.

this.......
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 19, 2018, 05:19:56 PM
Well, Black wanting to do his take of the predator, and Fox being what they are, this was doomed to be a problematic movie to say the least...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 19, 2018, 06:01:37 PM
Some executive at Fox figured Shane Black was the right person for the job because #1. he had a small acting role in the first Predator and #2. wrote a draft of Predator (that was never used). Genius!

Fox Executive #1: Hey, if 'The Predator' makes enough money in China and we start looking at sequels, Bill Duke is a writer & director too, so he can do the next one!

Fox Executive #2: Genius!

((High fives))
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 19, 2018, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 19, 2018, 06:01:37 PM
Some executive at Fox figured Shane Black was the right person for the job because #1. he had a small acting role in the first Predator and #2. wrote a draft of Predator (that was never used). Genius!

Fox Executive #1: Hey, if 'The Predator' makes enough money in China and we start looking at sequels, Bill Duke is a writer & director too, so he can do the next one!

Fox Executive #2: Genius!

((High fives))

Maybe Duke's take on the predator will have Preds in suits in Harlem during prohibition  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Naginata on Oct 19, 2018, 09:18:00 PM
^ OR it could be a Predator hunt IN Harlem DURING prohibition, which would actually be pretty badass.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 19, 2018, 10:08:14 PM
Some of these designs are wicked cool though.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 19, 2018, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: Naginata on Oct 19, 2018, 09:18:00 PM
^ OR it could be a Predator hunt IN Harlem DURING prohibition, which would actually be pretty badass.

Indeed that would be neat ! Sorry i always go for the silliest stuff  ;)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Oct 20, 2018, 01:34:30 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 19, 2018, 06:01:37 PM
Some executive at Fox figured Shane Black was the right person for the job because #1. he had a small acting role in the first Predator and #2. wrote a draft of Predator (that was never used). Genius!
Or cos made a Marvel movie that grossed over a billion dollars :P
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: AVP-CAPCOM on Oct 20, 2018, 08:22:48 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 20, 2018, 01:34:30 AMOr cos made a Marvel movie that grossed over a billion dollars :P

IMDB just hasn't been the same since they deleted the social media elements and comments section.

I cringe when 30-something man-child YouTube reviewers tell Millennials of Shane Black's previous work, even I have no interest in watching as a 80s/90s kid, but forget the elephant in the room.

IRON MAN 3
Director- Shane Black
Budget- $200 Million
Box Office- $1.215 billion
Critical response- 80% Rotten Tomatoes, 7.2/10 IMDB
17th Highest Grossing movie of all-time.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Leemour84 on Oct 20, 2018, 10:55:27 AM
If I was an executive at fox and I heard Shane Black was gonna do a new film the first thing I'd say is oh it's gonna be a funny take on it, I'd have asked Blomkamp to prove himself by making PREDATOR 4 then if it's a critical and commercial success then he can do ALIEN 5.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 20, 2018, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Oct 20, 2018, 08:22:48 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 20, 2018, 01:34:30 AMOr cos made a Marvel movie that grossed over a billion dollars :P

IMDB just hasn't been the same since they deleted the social media elements and comments section.

I cringe when 30-something man-child YouTube reviewers tell Millennials of Shane Black's previous work, even I have no interest in watching as a 80s/90s kid, but forget the elephant in the room.

IRON MAN 3
Director- Shane Black
Budget- $200 Million
Box Office- $1.215 billion
Critical response- 80% Rotten Tomatoes, 7.2/10 IMDB
17th Highest Grossing movie of all-time.

You do realize that movie would have made tons of cash no matter who directed it right?

And I didn't know directing the money-in-the-bank "Iron Man 3", the sequel starring the most popular star in the mcu Robert Downey Jr., the one film that directly followed only the hottest Marvel event film yet, the first "Avengers", the the one that most mcu fans (like myself) considered a misstep, I didn't know directing that movie made Shane the right fit for "The Predator"!  It might prove he's the right fit for another Marvel film, but Predator? And to co-write it too?

It's probably why I didn't know the director of the wonderful James Bond film "Casino Royale", Martin Campbell, made him the right fit for "Green Lantern" either!  Oh.. wait.  :P

Look I had fun watching "The Predator", will buy it on blu-ray too, but it's not the great film the franchise needed unfortunately. And that falls mostly on Shane.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: newagescamartist on Oct 20, 2018, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 20, 2018, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Oct 20, 2018, 08:22:48 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 20, 2018, 01:34:30 AMOr cos made a Marvel movie that grossed over a billion dollars :P

IMDB just hasn't been the same since they deleted the social media elements and comments section.

I cringe when 30-something man-child YouTube reviewers tell Millennials of Shane Black's previous work, even I have no interest in watching as a 80s/90s kid, but forget the elephant in the room.

IRON MAN 3
Director- Shane Black
Budget- $200 Million
Box Office- $1.215 billion
Critical response- 80% Rotten Tomatoes, 7.2/10 IMDB
17th Highest Grossing movie of all-time.

You do realize that movie would have made tons of cash no matter who directed it right?

And I didn't know directing the money-in-the-bank "Iron Man 3", the sequel starring the most popular star in the mcu Robert Downey Jr., the one film that directly followed only the hottest Marvel event film yet, the first "Avengers", the the one that most mcu fans (like myself) considered a misstep, I didn't know directing that movie made Shane the right fit for "The Predator"!  It might prove he's the right fit for another Marvel film, but Predator? And to co-write it too?

It's probably why I didn't know the director of the wonderful James Bond film "Casino Royale", Martin Campbell, made him the right fit for "Green Lantern" either!  Oh.. wait.  :P

Look I had fun watching "The Predator", will buy it on blu-ray too, but it's not the great film the franchise needed unfortunately. And that falls mostly on Shane.

Yea I don't get how Black gets the credit for making Iron Man 3 a hit either. It was the weakest in the franchise imo, and would have made a billion even with Uwe Boll directing.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Oct 20, 2018, 11:43:08 PM
Iron Man 3 made money because it was an Iron Man movie. They've drug this thing out way too long. Iron man didn't need 3 movies. It was clear by the second film that things were getting thin.

But you'll never get anyone in charge to put an end to what's likely the greatest money making machine in the history of the business. It'll have to put itself out narratively. Unless they start introducing more new characters as teenagers to keep the franchise alive for the foreseeable future. This beef with Thanos needs to be the endgame. Then they all need to retire and let the world take care of itself. "They always had heroes".
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: bobcunk on Oct 21, 2018, 12:03:48 AM
Is that a predators toy?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Oct 21, 2018, 12:06:27 AM
Quote from: bobcunk on Oct 21, 2018, 12:03:48 AM
Is that a predators toy?

I don't know. Whatever it is, I can't see it. So it must be.   :D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 21, 2018, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 20, 2018, 11:43:08 PM
Iron Man 3 made money because it was an Iron Man movie. They've drug this thing out way too long. Iron man didn't need 3 movies. It was clear by the second film that things were getting thin.

But you'll never get anyone in charge to put an end to what's likely the greatest money making machine in the history of the business. It'll have to put itself out narratively. Unless they start introducing more new characters as teenagers to keep the franchise alive for the foreseeable future. This beef with Thanos needs to be the endgame. Then they all need to retire and let the world take care of itself. "They always had heroes".
The only thing that was getting thin was the finale.

Somehow most Marvel films are great at build ups but rarely deliver in the final IMO. Perhaps they are just too full of details and twists to make them truly epic in the end.

I enjoy them, but back on topic: it was the anticipation that sold those tickets.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 21, 2018, 02:45:30 PM
I love the Russo Bros. directed installments. Winter Soldier. Civil War. Infinity War.  So, so good in my opinion.

Back on topic though, yeah, nothing Black did with "Iron Man 3" told me he was the right fit for Predator.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 21, 2018, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 21, 2018, 02:45:30 PM
I love the Russo Bros. directed installments. Winter Soldier. Civil War. Infinity War.  So, so good in my opinion.

Back on topic though, yeah, nothing Black did with "Iron Man 3" told me he was the right fit for Predator.
Winter Soldier: didn't get the hype, it was decent but nothing more.
Civil War was a hot mess. Entertaining, but I took issues with the structuring and it being nothing more than a forced excuse to split them all up.
Inifinity War was the first film that did stuff right, except that mess of a Wakkandan Battle that seemed to be lifted straight from any random Transformers film.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 21, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
We most definitely agree to disagree.

Hey, this time, instead like with "The Predator", I'm on the side of the majority!  I like it over on this side!  ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 21, 2018, 10:46:14 PM
Just not afraid of going against the stream ;)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Oct 21, 2018, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 21, 2018, 10:46:14 PM
Just not afraid of going against the stream ;)

Be like the mighty salmon.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 22, 2018, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 21, 2018, 10:46:14 PM
Just not afraid of going against the stream ;)
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o72FiKtrMAjIb0Rhu/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5bcd1a7754664f742e028a49)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Sad fan on Oct 22, 2018, 11:07:55 AM
"The Predator" was simply the worst ever film made about the Yautja. And this predator killer suit looks like a chinese-made cheap action figure.

Shane Black ruined the franchising. As simple as that.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Oct 22, 2018, 01:05:54 PM
Quote from: Leemour84 on Oct 20, 2018, 10:55:27 AM
If I was an executive at fox and I heard Shane Black was gonna do a new film the first thing I'd say is oh it's gonna be a funny take on it, I'd have asked Blomkamp to prove himself by making PREDATOR 4 then if it's a critical and commercial success then he can do ALIEN 5.

In some alternate universe, this happened and maybe the movie was good.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Robot6 on Oct 22, 2018, 03:01:37 PM
"Another notch" on the Brothers Strause belt... oh wait... they don't have any previous notches!  ::)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: newagescamartist on Oct 22, 2018, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: Robot6 on Oct 22, 2018, 03:01:37 PM
"Another notch" on the Brothers Strause belt... oh wait... they don't have any previous notches!  ::)

Strause might have worked on the effect, but I'll sleep comfortably knowing they didn't come up with the idea.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Highland on Oct 23, 2018, 02:31:48 AM
Probably went for Strause since it's the exact same ending as his movie.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: D88M on Oct 23, 2018, 02:44:52 AM
"The final scene was another reshoot, very, very late in the schedule. We had two weeks to get the suit designed." Yeah, we noticed. The idea is ok for a comic book but for the movie it was cringe worthy.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: brokentusk420 on Oct 23, 2018, 04:25:11 AM
This movie is a hollow shell of a predator movie. Not even real thermal vision. Just a half baked attempt at it... Like the while movie.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Highland on Oct 23, 2018, 05:05:38 AM
Imagine being the guy that designed the suit.

We need this scene designed you've got 2 weeks.

4 minutes later...designs predator suit that looks the same as a predator with 15 guns on its shoulders.

Studio - Perfect. Glad we have guys like you around to save our bacon.

Edit: Also does the boy read "predator killer" from the pod? If so that means that the predators also now refer to themselves as Predators.

Outstanding.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 23, 2018, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: Highland on Oct 23, 2018, 05:05:38 AM
Imagine being the guy that designed the suit.

We need this scene designed you've got 2 weeks.

4 minutes later...designs predator suit that looks the same as a predator with 15 guns on its shoulders.

Studio - Perfect. Glad we have guys like you around to save our bacon.

Edit: Also does the boy read "predator killer" from the pod? If so that means that the predators also now refer to themselves as Predators.

Outstanding.
Rosetta stone issues aside: them as a species being known as predators would make the kid translate to that specific word anyway.

The designs where better in most cases (there are quite the few variants) than what ended up in the film. And no one thought that it was a bad idea, much like Lucas had only yes men around for the prequels.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Highland on Oct 23, 2018, 10:09:29 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 23, 2018, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: Highland on Oct 23, 2018, 05:05:38 AM
Imagine being the guy that designed the suit.

We need this scene designed you've got 2 weeks.

4 minutes later...designs predator suit that looks the same as a predator with 15 guns on its shoulders.

Studio - Perfect. Glad we have guys like you around to save our bacon.

Edit: Also does the boy read "predator killer" from the pod? If so that means that the predators also now refer to themselves as Predators.

Outstanding.
Rosetta stone issues aside: them as a species being known as predators would make the kid translate to that specific word anyway.

The designs where better in most cases (there are quite the few variants) than what ended up in the film. And no one thought that it was a bad idea, much like Lucas had only yes men around for the prequels.

Yeah but we named them the Predator. There would be no word translation. Unless the Predator knew we named them the Predator and put Predator Killer on the side..... In his own language.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Oct 23, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
There would be a word that the Predators use to refer to themselves, which Rory would translate to English as "Predator", as it's their (apparently) common name.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 23, 2018, 10:52:06 AM
@Highland - Say the Predators refer themselves to as ~/\|} ^○.... and you like to refer to the species as 'ugly mofos'.

The kid is smart enough when he sees ~/\|} ^○ to translate that to 'Predators' when he's around the military, translate that to 'demons' if he's around King Willie, and translate that to 'ugly mofos' when he's around you.   ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 23, 2018, 12:07:53 PM
Oh wow...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Highland on Oct 23, 2018, 12:16:48 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 23, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
There would be a word that the Predators use to refer to themselves, which Rory would translate to English as "Predator", as it's their (apparently) common name.

No traeger says "we had a vote , and Predator sounds cooler" That means they made that name up.

So Traeger managed to nickname the Predator what the Predator also called itself in its own language and that's also Predator?! Maybe I'm missing something here.

Edit: Actually he doesn't translate it does he, he just makes his own version of what he thinks it says. Gawd damn that ending. The Predator Killer  :laugh: :laugh: :'(
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Oct 23, 2018, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: Highland on Oct 23, 2018, 12:16:48 PM
No traeger says "we had a vote , and Predator sounds cooler" That means they made that name up.
Common name in English.

QuoteSo Traeger managed to nickname the Predator what the Predator also called itself in its own language and that's also Predator?! Maybe I'm missing something here.
You are. I'm really, really not sure how you're not getting this? It's not difficult.

The humans have decided to call them Predators, so when Rory reads whatever word Predators use to refer to themselves in their language, he translates it into "Predator" in English because that's what humans have decided to call them. That doesn't mean the word is actually "Predator" in their language.

I'm sure dolphins wouldn't refer to themselves as "dolphins", but if we could translate their language, we'd translate the series of clicks and chirps they'd use to refer to themselves as "dolphins" because that's what we call them in English.

EDIT

And yes, he does translate it. He reads it off the screen.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Highland on Oct 23, 2018, 12:36:51 PM
You guys are right of course. My brain momentarily went into shut down mode thinking about the ridiculous ending.

I thought the boy said "it says Predator Killer" , he doesn't , he says "it roughly translates as".

Yes , I have a dodgy version also.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 23, 2018, 02:57:07 PM
Exactly. But then again, rory had no key so Predator could be some random ass name they gave itself, because f**k logic.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 23, 2018, 03:15:50 PM
Someone needs a Me day.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Highland on Oct 23, 2018, 04:09:50 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 23, 2018, 02:57:07 PM
Exactly. But then again, rory had no key so Predator could be some random ass name they gave itself, because f**k logic.

Is there any type of key shown? I don't remember. Alien Language in one night. Not bad.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 23, 2018, 04:25:29 PM
While that would be super nice of them, I doubt Predators would create a key for humans to decode their language.  Rory would have to in essense create a key based on breaking down the hud imagery and the language associated with it. Then use that as his basis to decode.

Then again, the Fugitive was here to give us a weapon that we could use to fight back with, so maybe there was in fact a key!

Then again again, I think we're really not meant to think that hard about it.  :P
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: PredAlien BG386 on Oct 23, 2018, 07:46:53 PM
Really liked the concept Arts :)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 23, 2018, 08:09:44 PM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Oct 23, 2018, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 23, 2018, 08:09:44 PM


Thomas Jane doing the ultimate Javier Bardem impression.  ;D


I know, I know.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Oct 24, 2018, 12:57:24 AM
I feel bad for the SFX people. From the article, they broke the teeth off the gears to do whatever they were asked to do on this one. Thanks to the tug-o-war between Shane and the studio, they were pulling something out of nothing until the very end. For all that, it's like it's their fault the result is what it is. I think they did their best under ridiculous conditions. As designs go, the Predkiller is ok. It's obviously like a pred-flavored ironman suit or Transformer. If it turns up as an action figure, I want one. Used better in the story, it might have got a better reception. Or maybe all-dancing armored suits have worn out their welcome. I'd like to see a director's cut at some point. Might be interesting to compare and contrast.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 24, 2018, 04:37:40 AM
I would get the toy too. And put a label next to it: mistake of the century. The whole concept is off.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 24, 2018, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 24, 2018, 04:37:40 AM
I would get the toy too. And put a label next to it: mistake of the century. The whole concept is off.
Labelling it the "mistake of the century" might be a tad bit overdramatic. ::)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Oct 24, 2018, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 24, 2018, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 24, 2018, 04:37:40 AM
I would get the toy too. And put a label next to it: mistake of the century. The whole concept is off.
Labelling it the "mistake of the century" might be a tad bit overdramatic. ::)
Oh I forgot, this film should be praised to the heavens.

Grow a sense of humor ;)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 24, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 24, 2018, 03:25:54 PM
Oh I forgot, this film should be praised to the heavens.

lol  Thanks for proving my point.  ;D



Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Oct 25, 2018, 04:12:31 AM
One would be tempted to say this was the Predator version of Alien 3, due to the studio interference and production issues. However, given the crazy nature of the film/creatures and the comedy, could this not be considered the Predator version of Alien: Resurrection?

It's a paradox I tell you. It just covered 2 movies in one. What on earth could come next?

Straight to a Prometheus Predator perhaps? An exploration of a long dead Predator Homeworld?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 25, 2018, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 25, 2018, 04:12:31 AM
One would be tempted to say this was the Predator version of Alien 3, due to the studio interference and production issues. However, given the crazy nature of the film/creatures and the comedy, could this not be considered the Predator version of Alien: Resurrection?

That's a fair assessment. "The Predator" seems to contain a culmination of parallels with both "Alien 3" and "Alien Resurrection".  Plus, the Upgrade Predator can certainly be compared to the Newborn Alien on a species blending angle, as well as its mutual reception i.e. the ruffling feathers of fans.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Oct 25, 2018, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 25, 2018, 04:12:31 AM
It's a paradox I tell you. It just covered 2 movies in one. What on earth could come next?
Predators hunting americans/nazis in WW2, with them having a key role in the outcome of the war. This could also be a nice way to re-change the designs to a more tribal/vintage style.
Predators hunting in Vietnam
Predators hunting ancient warriors in Egypt
Predators hunting pirates (P2 flintlock)

Even with Stargazer i think there are really cool ways to tell a new story without the Predator killer, more focused on an actual team capturing a Predator by surprise during a hunt... with them getting to the Predator spaceship, which then flies back home, there they have to face and fight different Alien species with the last survivor and biggest warrior being worthy enough to fight against an elder Predator.

The core story is always a hunt, and with that there are endless possibilities for really good movies, even on a smaller scale action/horror.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Highland on Oct 25, 2018, 04:34:10 PM
Alien 3 is actually good though, well made. It was just a shock to the system at the time. Good score as well.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 25, 2018, 08:23:11 PM
I agree, Alien 3 is way underestimated unfortunately. The score is a classic.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
https://www.ibc.org/production/interview-harry-miller-editor/3411.article

I haven't read it yet.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lotus on Oct 31, 2018, 02:49:20 PM
May I ask anyone any idea what type of gun Fugitive used in the movie?seems AR or SMG but i can't find out exactly. 
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2018, 03:09:40 PM
I believe Kyle Strauts was using an M249.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lotus on Oct 31, 2018, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2018, 03:09:40 PM
I believe Kyle Strauts was using an M249.

Thanks,not doubting though I'm not a military expert,but it doesn't look like M249?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.toyark.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F4%2F2018%2F10%2FPrime-1-Fugitive-Predator-Statue-019.jpg&hash=4b514f7eaa3f2e0081f8ed4175ea149c2d122b0e)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 31, 2018, 05:27:18 PM
Quote from: Lotus on Oct 31, 2018, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2018, 03:09:40 PM
I believe Kyle Strauts was using an M249.

Thanks,not doubting though I'm not a military expert,but it doesn't look like M249?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.toyark.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F4%2F2018%2F10%2FPrime-1-Fugitive-Predator-Statue-019.jpg&hash=4b514f7eaa3f2e0081f8ed4175ea149c2d122b0e)

I think Hicks is talking about the deleted scenes of the Emmissaries on the APC
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lotus on Oct 31, 2018, 06:36:43 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 31, 2018, 05:27:18 PM
Quote from: Lotus on Oct 31, 2018, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2018, 03:09:40 PM
I believe Kyle Strauts was using an M249.

Thanks,not doubting though I'm not a military expert,but it doesn't look like M249?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.toyark.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F4%2F2018%2F10%2FPrime-1-Fugitive-Predator-Statue-019.jpg&hash=4b514f7eaa3f2e0081f8ed4175ea149c2d122b0e)

I think Hicks is talking about the deleted scenes of the Emmissaries on the APC

Yeah,make sense 
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2018, 07:55:05 PM
Oh, my bad, I misread you saying Fugitive. Yeah, that's a SIG. I think it's a 553.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lotus on Nov 01, 2018, 06:03:57 AM
No problem,Hick you are awesome appreciate it!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Nov 10, 2018, 01:43:21 AM


(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45687809_908903999301359_1258789064019017728_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=0573a51431d84fb43735f208585ca4cc&oe=5C78D502)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 10, 2018, 02:01:31 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Nov 10, 2018, 01:43:21 AM


(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45687809_908903999301359_1258789064019017728_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=0573a51431d84fb43735f208585ca4cc&oe=5C78D502)

Cool pic!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Nov 10, 2018, 02:15:15 AM
He really fills that doorway  :o
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: roc84 on Nov 11, 2018, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
https://www.ibc.org/production/interview-harry-miller-editor/3411.article

I haven't read it yet.

This interview with one of the editors provides some insight into the studio using an utterly flawed test screening process to dictate the creative direction of the movie.

Quote
Working with the VFX and CGI made it "fun and interesting" for the entire team, Miller explains. However, audience testing often delivered different results from the decisions made by the creative talents responsible for cutting the feature film.

"Green screens and proxy actors for digital characters don't offer the audience an authentic experience about what the movie is doing and the nature of the studio system means you can get negative reactions which is frustrating," he adds.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2018, 10:48:01 AM
Some more concepts from Constantine Sekeris, including a Predator spacesuit!

QuoteHere r some early Predator Armor exploration Martin Whist Production Designer had me quickly explore for Shane Black and to help give more options to the Costume Designer ........one version is a sleeker cleaner spacesuit option and the other is referencing the original 80s design with modifications with out any accessories like his helmet,guantlets,shoulder gun,tubes,skulls,ect......had to do these pretty quickly so didnt have time to refine any details or pose them.....none of these made it into the film...but was allot of fun exploring different designs.

(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/010/572/large/constantine-sekeris-predator-1-space-suit-01a.jpg?1542068693)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/VdgXDN
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Nov 13, 2018, 10:54:46 AM
I like the redesigned netting -- that's something I'd like to see in future movies.

But the rest of that armour is just so generic. I know the guy was on a time limit but it looks straight out of every sci-fi soldier game in the last 20 years.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Axe on Nov 13, 2018, 01:16:28 PM
I don't know.
Predators are not certainly about being good looking or trendy, and so a space suit doesn't work in my mind.

Neither we've ever seen a predator wearing one. From my point of view it would not add anything good to him apart criticism. Does they even need it in a..what..5th film?
The focus must be his lust for blood, the restless hunting of his pray (and playing with her), his ruthelsness. Make predator scary again!
A bunch of guys trying to outjoke each other with some predator on steroids running around is not what people desires. Well..sorry for going OT but I had to say it, again. :)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 13, 2018, 01:35:10 PM
A bit too Doom-esque for me.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 13, 2018, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: Axe on Nov 13, 2018, 01:16:28 PM
I don't know.
Predators are not certainly about being good looking or trendy, and so a space suit doesn't work in my mind.

My sentiments exactly.

The one thing I love about Predators is their tribal ascetic and that their bleeding edge technology incorporates an ancient design which does not emulate the human equivalent of high-tech i.e. smooth and shiny metalic surfaces.

That's why I prefer the Predator ship interior in "Predator 2" and thoroughly reject the ship used in AvP.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Nov 13, 2018, 03:10:51 PM
Well, I can't imagine Predators don't have some sort of coverall space suit that they use when they're travelling. Almost every other media has showed them in a suit, so I wouldn't exactly be 'offended' if it made it to the films.  But not necessary in my opinion.  Have to admit though, these are somewhat unimaginative (save for the Doom Slayer chest piece :laugh:). 

Quote from: Axe on Nov 13, 2018, 01:16:28 PM
I don't know.
Predators are not certainly about being good looking or trendy, and so a space suit doesn't work in my mind.

Neither we've ever seen a predator wearing one. From my point of view it would not add anything good to him apart criticism. Does they even need it in a..what..5th film?
The focus must be his lust for blood, the restless hunting of his pray (and playing with her), his ruthelsness. Make predator scary again!
A bunch of guys trying to outjoke each other with some predator on steroids running around is not what people desires. Well..sorry for going OT but I had to say it, again. :)
Right on.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Nov 13, 2018, 03:17:23 PM
Are you people insinuating that Jungle Hunter and his fishnets were unfashionable?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Kurgan on Nov 13, 2018, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 13, 2018, 03:17:23 PM
Are you people insinuating that Jungle Hunter and his fishnets were unfashionable?

Blasphemy !
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 13, 2018, 03:55:23 PM
You can never go wrong with armor and fishnet!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Nov 13, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
A Predator without his fishnets would be an outrage!

It's funny how most descriptions of the Predator fishnets describe it as being used for warmth.  Not that I doubt that's their intended purpose, but seriously, how much "warmth" can those things add?  There are giant holes all over the place!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 13, 2018, 04:40:47 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Nov 13, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
A Predator without his fishnets would be an outrage!

It's funny how most descriptions of the Predator fishnets describe it as being used for warmth.  Not that I doubt that's their intended purpose, but seriously, how much "warmth" can those things add?  There are giant holes all over the place!

I think it make sense if they function like an automobile backglass, rear-windshield/windscreen defroster/defogger, where the netting is made of resistive conductors and when power is applied, the conductors heat up.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: brokentusk420 on Nov 13, 2018, 05:16:16 PM
Jeezus, more trash from what was already a trashy movie. This truly could have been a lot worse.


Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 13, 2018, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: Axe on Nov 13, 2018, 01:16:28 PM
I don't know.
Predators are not certainly about being good looking or trendy, and so a space suit doesn't work in my mind.

My sentiments exactly.

The one thing I love about Predators is their tribal ascetic and that their bleeding edge technology incorporates an ancient design which does not emulate the human equivalent of high-tech i.e. smooth and shiny metalic surfaces.

That's why I prefer the Predator ship interior in "Predator 2" and thoroughly reject the ship used in AvP.

This right here. He gets it, everything after predator 2  has been a design disaster. Especially the iron-man Pred design we just got. There is zero imagination in it. Just an amalgamation of marvel and video game crap that someone adores. No consideration for what came before and what's been established in the true canon of the first two
films. 
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Nov 14, 2018, 09:33:49 AM
Another generic nope. Most creature and suit effects these days lack personality, regardless how well designed and executed they are. The brief was to be fresh, the execution came to be different by omitting what predators where about in terms of character design.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Nov 16, 2018, 01:30:46 PM
Hicks posts concept art, forum people take a dump on the art, artist retracts art.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 16, 2018, 03:50:12 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Nov 16, 2018, 01:30:46 PM
Hicks posts concept art, forum people take a dump on the art, artist retracts art.

Well that's unfortunate. He's a very good artist.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Nov 16, 2018, 03:54:53 PM
Surely that can't be the reason why  :-\
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Nov 16, 2018, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Nov 16, 2018, 03:54:53 PM
Surely that can't be the reason why  :-\
Wasn't it just one piece he retracted?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Nov 16, 2018, 07:27:44 PM
I don't know for fact that comments here caused the retraction, but the timing made it seem that way.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 19, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
It was just the spacesuit stuff. It's not due to comments.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 21, 2018, 01:18:39 PM
Looks like he's actually deleted all of them now.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 21, 2018, 02:11:01 PM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/9WbGRvp5hRGwg/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5bf566d9505778552e3a3799)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Nov 21, 2018, 06:27:16 PM
 :-\ Well...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 22, 2018, 06:29:23 AM
https://twitter.com/shooteditlearn/status/1065297431598907392?s=19
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Nov 25, 2018, 10:53:34 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 21, 2018, 01:18:39 PM
Looks like he's actually deleted all of them now.
Or why I still save images.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 25, 2018, 11:15:33 AM
Yeah, same. It's why I always save straight away. lol
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Nov 26, 2018, 02:33:04 PM
Cut Predator-Hybrids here:

https://yutani.blog/2018/11/26/more-concept-art-revealed-from-the-predator/
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2018, 02:42:03 PM
I've got a draft up for those. He only released them on his private Facebook page, not any public facing pages so I didn't want to cause any issues with him.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 26, 2018, 03:01:37 PM
What in the world? Not just the dogs, but all the bats spiders and lizards were Predator hybrids too?

I never thought I would say this, but I'm happy the Fox Executives stepped in here and demanded changes.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: funk_master_chunk on Nov 26, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
I'll be honest, as much as I was against the whole "Lion Preds, Tiger Preds, three-legged Preds, oh my!" approach  from the original draft; I'd've much preferred that to just more pred dogs and another giant predator.

However, the fact is, the whole GM/Upgrade aspect is largely responsible for the fans' backlash and so it needed binning. I can see why the studio intervened, but the film was on a hiding to nothing from the off, sadly.

RE the monkey pred leaks: The slender arms look not too dissimilar to the 'remains' you can see on the original Coyle death pic from the first slew of leaked pics, IIRC.

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Whos_Nick on Nov 26, 2018, 05:00:27 PM
There was no monkey in the early cut... Coyle was killed by lizard hybrid. Interestingly it was brownish yellow with neon blue blood
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
When do you guys think you'll share more details of the early cut ?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 26, 2018, 05:18:43 PM
Ah hell, those are multilegged monkeys.  And here I thought it was some sort of spider.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Whos_Nick on Nov 26, 2018, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
When do you guys think you'll share more details of the early cut ?

I told Hicks most of what I remember from it, I think he has a long article in the works
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2018, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Nov 26, 2018, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
When do you guys think you'll share more details of the early cut ?

I told Hicks most of what I remember from it, I think he has a long article in the works

Ok cool, thanks !
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: funk_master_chunk on Nov 26, 2018, 06:00:06 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Nov 26, 2018, 05:00:27 PM
There was no monkey in the early cut... Coyle was killed by lizard hybrid. Interestingly it was brownish yellow with neon blue blood

Really? Sounds interesting.

Though the leaked pics of his "first death" definitely had slender limbs with traditional Pred blood oozing out.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 26, 2018, 06:00:29 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2018, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Nov 26, 2018, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
When do you guys think you'll share more details of the early cut ?

I told Hicks most of what I remember from it, I think he has a long article in the works

Ok cool, thanks !

Yeah, definitely cool. Looking forward to reading it.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 26, 2018, 06:47:31 PM
Yeah i can't wait to know specifics for this version, how much was kept from the original script, how were the other deaths etc...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: yaujta on Nov 26, 2018, 07:20:44 PM
any more news on the new art book ( the art of the hunt) that was coming out with the blu ray? and any idea if its out in the uk? thanks.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 26, 2018, 07:40:06 PM
Quote from: yaujta on Nov 26, 2018, 07:20:44 PM
any more news on the new art book ( the art of the hunt) that was coming out with the blu ray? and any idea if its out in the uk? thanks.

That's the version I pre-ordered. Other than being 36 pages long and seemingly full of unreleased art, there hasn't been any other news on the book that I'm aware of, including it's availability other than the US unfortunately.

Any further discussion can be found on this thread: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60532.0
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 28, 2018, 08:41:07 AM
Another set of monkey concepts is up!

QuoteI found another 3D zbrush quick rough design pass at the Predator Hybrid monkey. I almost forgot I did this. You can tell this one didn't go further past what you see. I didn't get to pose or refine this at all, but still fun to see. With an assignment like this I typically start with some very quick sketches on paper and pencil to get my mind flowing with ideas and different silhouettes, but I didn't have that luxury on this one and had to jump into 3D right away and as a rough start.

Even though its was short time on these was still alot of fun to at least do something. Eventually when I have some free time I'd love to go back into this design and finish it all the way. Also keep an eye out for the other amazing artists who did passes at these guys.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/46925598_10214321603653164_1096889803644862464_o.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/46912882_10214321604253179_3969877987255386112_o.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/46801039_10214321601453109_3904880859890581504_o.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/47032942_10214321606213228_8581019382354804736_o.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/46963436_10214321602853144_6979584244142047232_o.jpg)

These have been front-paged now.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 28, 2018, 09:06:54 AM
They trying to make people feel better about buying blurays I guess. I don't know, when I clicked the news link this was not what I expected.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: JokersWarPig on Nov 28, 2018, 12:51:02 PM
I am actually really happy those didn't end up in the film.
They look like failed David experiments if he had found Predators and not Engineers.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: razeak on Nov 28, 2018, 01:33:47 PM
Fire everyone in that art department.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 28, 2018, 01:53:32 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Nov 28, 2018, 12:51:02 PM
I am actually really happy those didn't end up in the film.
They look like failed David experiments if he had found Predators and not Engineers.

Ha! Indeed  ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: D88M on Nov 28, 2018, 06:29:50 PM
Looks like something David would do if he got his hands on Predator subjects. Predator: Covenant
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Nov 28, 2018, 07:34:08 PM
Quote from: razeak on Nov 28, 2018, 01:33:47 PM
Fire everyone in that art department.

Your ire is directed at the wrong people.

The script creators are responsible for the concepts, not the art department.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: goose_3387 on Nov 28, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
I'm not a fan of any of the concept art. It's horrible. They completely missed the whole point of what Predator is about.

Yuck!!!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Sad fan on Nov 29, 2018, 01:04:55 AM
Why do you keep posting stuff related to this new predator shit movie?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: LtJesseRipley on Nov 29, 2018, 02:13:33 AM
Monkey...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Nov 29, 2018, 02:35:47 AM
Quote from: LtJesseRipley on Nov 29, 2018, 02:13:33 AM
Monkey...

Indeed.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 29, 2018, 03:34:15 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 29, 2018, 02:35:47 AM
Quote from: LtJesseRipley on Nov 29, 2018, 02:13:33 AM
Monkey...

Indeed.

Indeed, indeed.

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 06:23:10 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqvngCsgNCd/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1hjqavdcbw57f
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 08:36:27 AM
Some more hybrid artwork, this time from Ben Mauro!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/47084956_10215599081702752_1622154601614540800_o.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/47086765_10215599080942733_1087291161623658496_o.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/47065054_10215599080782729_4285528181949071360_n.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/47190804_10215599079902707_2164047696183164928_n.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/47203461_10215599079422695_9018887862208167936_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: AVP-CAPCOM on Nov 29, 2018, 08:45:32 AM
My god; some of these designs are a cross between ALIEN-Resurrection and the (unmade) Jurassic Park-4 (human dino hybrid) tier crap.

It's not that I wasn't happy with the final film, but too much effort went into trying to make PREDATOR "better". The cliché is true, if it isn't broke don't try to fix it. Just causes more problems and drains, time, money and resources that could've been allocated elsewhere.

The original creature design from PREDATOR (1987) to AVP-R (2008) (Wolf) was spot on, heck even Alec Gillis said, rival make-up studio, KNB EFX did a great job on PREDATORS (2010). Very noble they were professional in losing the contract to a more cost cutting studio.

Urgh these designs are shit and generic. Sorry. Would be ok as stock for a videogame, but a live-action movie?

EDIT. Also the last design has a very "PREDALIEN" look about it. Despite being vague, I really get the impression from the last AVP-GALAXY podcast that Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff want to do an AVP3 as they hinted they are the "AVP-Prequel" that happens before ALIEN whereas "Ridley's vision/version of events" suggest a split canon.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 09:42:36 AM
Quote from: Sad fan on Nov 29, 2018, 01:04:55 AM
Why do you keep posting stuff related to this new predator shit movie?

Just because it's not well liked, doesn't mean people aren't interested in the behind-the-scenes. You might not be, that's fine but don't begrudge those that do.


Some more Predator Killer concepts >>

(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/315/362/large/kyle-brown-asset.jpg?1543452830)

QuoteThis was one sketch done for Shane Black's The Predator (2018) for the Predator Killer suit. Had a couple weeks to do quick sketches for the project. Other shops handled the design as well, really cool stuff. This was a dream project that I got to work on briefly in the beginning and once again at the end of production. More to come!

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/aRGeW9

Will keep an eye out and do a news post when he posts some more.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 29, 2018, 02:15:14 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/47084956_10215599081702752_1622154601614540800_o.jpg)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/47086765_10215599080942733_1087291161623658496_o.jpg)

Yeah, I didn't like the dog design, nor the monkey, but... is it wrong that I actually like this one?

(takes cover)

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3ubqmFn2F7ytq/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5bfff3c8717952632eab9893)


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
Some more Predator Killer concepts >>

(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/315/362/large/kyle-brown-asset.jpg?1543452830)
Quote

QuoteThis was one sketch done for Shane Black's The Predator (2018) for the Predator Killer suit. Had a couple weeks to do quick sketches for the project. Other shops handled the design as well, really cool stuff. This was a dream project that I got to work on briefly in the beginning and once again at the end of production. More to come!

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/aRGeW9

Will keep an eye out and do a news post when he posts some more.

Hmm.  Pretty cool!  I actually would like that as a heavy duty, severe climate suit for a Predator, rather than a human.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Nov 29, 2018, 04:04:22 PM
I like the Kyle Brown suit. I think the Sekeris monkey designs needs thicker, more muscular limbs.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: razeak on Nov 29, 2018, 06:23:35 PM
Can anyone make a DNA hybridization feature that isn't terrible? I'm not convinced. Like Hicks says below though, the process is indeed interesting.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 08:41:54 PM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: D88M on Nov 29, 2018, 09:32:50 PM
Is insane to think we could have get even a worse movie than what we got. So many awful stuff all the way through the entire production of this movie.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Nov 29, 2018, 09:44:47 PM
The Tom Wood sculpt looks great! Very powerful. All these designs have potential. I'm sure these guys were under the gun to get done in a hurry, too. Kudos for all that.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 29, 2018, 10:06:37 PM
Quote from: D88M on Nov 29, 2018, 09:32:50 PM
Is insane to think we could have get even a worse movie than what we got. So many awful stuff all the way through the entire production of this movie.

Yeah brother, it really looks like Fox backtracked this movie from being maybe a franchise killer to a not great, but still watchable (imo) Predator movie.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: HashTag_TheSwag on Nov 29, 2018, 10:33:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_8QaWWzL3k
Well there it is. It's official now, Goro Predator  is canon you guys  ;D 
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Nov 30, 2018, 04:21:48 AM
That hybrid looks like something from Halo.

The armored predator reminds me of Smoke from MK.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Never say no to Panda! on Nov 30, 2018, 08:11:39 AM
Just passionless.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2018, 09:32:11 AM



Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Nov 30, 2018, 03:52:47 PM
Too bad that unused head didn't get used. It's good work. :)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2018, 04:04:35 PM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Nov 30, 2018, 05:00:09 PM
That's some awesome work right there  :o
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Nov 30, 2018, 09:27:13 PM
The kind of pictures I hoped to see in the book...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2018, 11:49:39 AM
Yeah...the Art/Making books these days are just so disappointing compared to what we find out on our own.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Dec 01, 2018, 11:55:34 AM
Prometheus' & Isolation's were excellent I thought.
Especially in tandem with the Prometheus 3-Disc Blu-ray set.
Covenant's and The Predator's are very poor.
Covenant's Special Features, aside from one new viral were also poor.
& I reckon "The Predator" Special Features will be much the same.
At least Covenant has David's Drawings though and Adam Savage's videos.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2018, 11:57:09 AM
Prometheus' paled in comparrison to Furious Gods. But I think it's going to be a while before we're treated to anything like that again. From what Alec said in that last podcast, studios just aren't interested in that kind of extensive home release these days.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Dec 01, 2018, 11:58:16 AM
Indeed.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2018, 12:12:19 PM
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nQEkgo

(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/351/113/large/kyle-brown-drawings-8-notes.jpg?1543599339)
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/350/989/large/kyle-brown-drawings-2-notes.jpg?1543598856)
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/378/185/large/kyle-brown-asset.jpg?1543737940)
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/350/991/large/kyle-brown-drawings-3-notes.jpg?1543598860)
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/350/997/large/kyle-brown-drawings-4-notes.jpg?1543598869)
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/351/000/large/kyle-brown-drawings-5-notes.jpg?1543598880)
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/351/004/large/kyle-brown-drawings-6-notes.jpg?1543598889)
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/351/104/large/kyle-brown-drawings-7-notes.jpg?1543599327)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Naginata on Dec 02, 2018, 12:44:35 AM
The first draft must have been bananas.

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed; if the movie was going to be stupid either way, I'd have preferred it go full-on Jupiter Ascending-level stupid rather than just boringly by-the-numbers stupid.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: PureKino on Dec 02, 2018, 06:28:34 AM
I think most of the problems with the movie can be traced to pairing Fred Dekker and Shane Black. Shane Black is a decent enough director with a few actually good movies to his credit. The only thing I know Dekker from is Monster Squad, which sucks and is another Black and Dekker colab.

Frankly, with the way Hollywood is structured right now I dont think we were ever going to get a good Predator movie. Hollywood has obsessed with detached ironic smarm ever since the MCU decided detached  ironic smarm was all the characterization they were ever going to need and turned it up to 11 but that approach was never going to work here. I know "Predator is actually a screwball comedy" is currently Avpgalaxy's newest meme, but it's a bad meme, you should feel bad for believing it and this Shane Black movie proves that goofy comedy Predator doesnt work. The first Predator had one liners but it was also very earnest about its central premise.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Beans81 on Dec 02, 2018, 09:06:36 AM
Absolutely awful. Glad we didn't see this in the
Movie, though saying that it's on pare with the pointless predator dogs
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 02, 2018, 11:16:51 AM
Some better quality versions of artwork Shane Baxter previously shared. Plus, I think this is new.

(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/369/162/large/shane-baxley-wip-52316-predator-helmet-v1d-baxley-lo.jpg?1543686138)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/KaOYyx


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo2I5fQAaii/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=10ztwclw62i06


Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 02, 2018, 11:37:19 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2018, 11:49:39 AM
Yeah...the Art/Making books these days are just so disappointing compared to what we find out on our own.
I'd buy an AvP/AvP-R styled making of book in a heartbeat. What little there was in the art book fit the PR machine a little too well. Great quality, still glad I bought it, but I just expected more on the artwork and design process.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Dec 05, 2018, 04:16:23 AM


Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 05, 2018, 02:23:37 PM



Umm, that dangling thing. What am I looking at exactly?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Kurgan on Dec 05, 2018, 02:26:25 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 05, 2018, 02:23:37 PM



Umm, that dangling thing. What am I looking at exactly?

Lol sure looks like it's a predator-dude  :D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2018, 02:30:12 PM
Piss flap for the actors.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 05, 2018, 02:35:14 PM
Or... the first official sighting of male Yautja genitalia!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
Been and gone! Behold...

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/avp-script-to-screen-11.jpg)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 05, 2018, 03:03:36 PM
What the - What is that from??
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2018, 03:42:40 PM
It was designed for a never filmed sequence in AvP where the Predator's emerge from cryo-sleep.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Dec 05, 2018, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2018, 02:30:12 PM
Piss flap for the actors.

Seriously? Not that I would know, but that seems like it'd be incredibly uncomfortable. Beats holding it all in for an entire day I suppose.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 05, 2018, 03:03:36 PM
What the - What is that from??

Previous "imaginings" of Predator ding dong. Looks to be like some cross between internal and external organs.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 05, 2018, 04:22:32 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2018, 03:42:40 PM
It was designed for a never filmed sequence in AvP where the Predator's emerge from cryo-sleep.

Huh... Well I'll be. I've never seen that image before!  Fascinating.


Quote from: Wysps on Dec 05, 2018, 04:03:23 PM
Looks to be like some cross between internal and external organs.

Indeed.

Quote from: Wysps on Dec 05, 2018, 04:03:23 PM
Previous "imaginings" of Predator ding dong.

If we ever dedicate a thread to this topic, now we know exactly what to name it!  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Dec 05, 2018, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 05, 2018, 04:22:32 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Dec 05, 2018, 04:03:23 PM
Previous "imaginings" of Predator ding dong.

If we ever dedicate a thread to this topic, now we know exactly what to name it!  :laugh:

Haha  :laugh: A master thread devoted to the theory and evolution of Predator privates.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2018, 05:16:59 PM
https://twitter.com/KenBarthelmey/status/1070361978034708485?s=19
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Dec 06, 2018, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
Been and gone! Behold...

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/avp-script-to-screen-11.jpg)

Well, looks like we got em' beat boys. Maybe they want Human DNA for other reasons too.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: bobcunk on Dec 06, 2018, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 05, 2018, 02:23:37 PM



Umm, that dangling thing. What am I looking at exactly?
I think it is a strap to close the crotch. Probably like a fly so they dont have to remove the costume to pee.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2018, 08:00:28 PM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 09, 2018, 06:12:47 PM
A predator newborn... i get that it is the brief, but my god...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Kurgan on Dec 09, 2018, 06:21:47 PM
The longer head kinda reminds me of the Berserker from Predators.
I think i would have prefered full on abomination predator slightly more then the  12 foot ogre predator that we got.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2018, 06:59:03 PM



Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 09, 2018, 07:57:53 PM
We all been thinking ADI had no idea how to do them right, turns out it is largely by instruction of directors...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 10, 2018, 12:40:41 AM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Dec 09, 2018, 07:57:53 PM
We all been thinking ADI had no idea how to do them right, turns out it is largely by instruction of directors...

Actually, Shane is the reason why the Fugitive looked so good. I believe Alec revealed in the recent AVPG Podcast that Shane wanted the Fugitive to be designed with the look of the original Predator. And that's this bad boy.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Dec 10, 2018, 02:35:53 AM
Shane asking for what the fans wanted allowed ADI to, y'know, make what the fans wanted.

They're very good at what they do. Unfortunately they often get asked to do stupid things.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 10, 2018, 03:12:11 AM
I'm sorry, in my opinion, name the Predator film, and ADI's quality has never measured up to Stan Winston studio, in design, paint application, construction and subsequent realism. Nor do I believe this quality achieved was capped by each director, as in all these Predator works hit the bar that was aimed for, and were not improved upon further, based on the corresponding director's wishes. While I do see improvement with every ADI film, and they did their best job so far in duplicating the original Predator with the Fugitive, the purple Emissary below cut from "The Predator" is an echo of the same old unrealistic 'mask' result we've seen in the two movies preceding this one.

Stan Winston sir, you are certainly missed.  :'(

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2Fbise2h.png&hash=5a1e5c0e8c5ba6232a3fccbe4335fc3c)
(https://i.ibb.co/9nnm3zx/IMG-20181206-183911.jpg)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Dec 10, 2018, 03:22:19 AM
But didn't you just say the Fugitive looked good?  ???
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 10, 2018, 03:32:01 AM
Yes, good. Not at all close to the exceptionalism of Stan Winston studio, but they did their best job so far in duplicating the original Predator with the Fugitive, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Dec 10, 2018, 04:56:15 AM
Until we see a properly lit shot of the Emissaries, it's a bit unfair to comment on how they look outside of their sculpts. Even the Winston designs could look ropey in behind the scenes shots.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Kurgan on Dec 10, 2018, 08:34:08 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 10, 2018, 03:12:11 AM
I'm sorry, in my opinion, name the Predator film, and ADI's quality has never measured up to Stan Winston studio, in design, paint application, construction and subsequent realism. Nor do I believe this quality achieved was capped by each director, as in all these Predator works hit the bar that was aimed for, and were not improved upon further, based on the corresponding director's wishes. While I do see improvement with every ADI film, and they did their best job so far in duplicating the original Predator with the Fugitive, the purple Emissary below cut from "The Predator" is an echo of the same old unrealistic 'mask' result we've seen in the two movies preceding this one.

Stan Winston sir, you are certainly missed.  :'(

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2Fbise2h.png&hash=5a1e5c0e8c5ba6232a3fccbe4335fc3c)
(https://i.ibb.co/9nnm3zx/IMG-20181206-183911.jpg)

LOL at Scar's Oh-Shit-face.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 10, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 10, 2018, 04:56:15 AM
Until we see a properly lit shot of the Emissaries, it's a bit unfair to comment on how they look outside of their sculpts. Even the Winston designs could look ropey in behind the scenes shots.

Wow. I don't know what Predator books and behind the scenes documentaries you have seen, but I have watched more repeatedly than I care to admit, and I have not seen any of Winston's designs look "ropey" i.e. meaning poor quality, nor required them to be "properly lit" to look good.

Yet, I've seen Predators in AVP and AVPR Unrated look ropey not only in the docs, but in the actual movies!  Wow, I can't believe you just said that.

(https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/4304/content_7.jpg)

(https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/4305/content_8.jpg)

(https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/4307/content_9.jpg)

(https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/4306/content_6.jpg)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Sabres21768 on Dec 12, 2018, 04:37:12 AM
The Wolf Predator was an amazing design. My favorite since the original.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 12, 2018, 01:18:51 PM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Dec 12, 2018, 04:37:12 AM
The Wolf Predator was an amazing design. My favorite since the original.

Yes, conceptually I love Wolf too! That's why his Sideshow bust is my avatar.   :)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lotus on Dec 14, 2018, 09:25:42 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/1rKFQSQdQ7d3hu3rjp/giphy.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/fdJqRtKI9e8yQP9qgN/giphy.gif)

Somewhere I saw,should be the DVD behind scene ??
Wondering is a full length video been shared?   
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 14, 2018, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: Lotus on Dec 14, 2018, 09:25:42 AM
Somewhere I saw,should be the DVD behind scene ??
Wondering is a full length video been shared?

I haven't seen the full length supplementals online yet. The blu-ray is coming out here in the U.S. this Tuesday, so I'm looking forward to checking them out.

The adventures of Crab-Man! :-\
(https://media.giphy.com/media/1rKFQSQdQ7d3hu3rjp/giphy.gif)

How I miss Stan, when even the stunt costumes looked great. :'(

(https://i.ibb.co/58svfGC/Screenshot-20181214-072000.jpg)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lotus on Dec 14, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 14, 2018, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: Lotus on Dec 14, 2018, 09:25:42 AM
Somewhere I saw,should be the DVD behind scene ??
Wondering is a full length video been shared?

I haven't seen the full length supplementals online yet. The blu-ray is coming out here in the U.S. this Tuesday, so I'm looking forward to checking the out.

The adventures of Crab-Man! :-\
(https://media.giphy.com/media/1rKFQSQdQ7d3hu3rjp/giphy.gif)

How I miss Stan, when even the stunt costumes looked great. :'(

(https://i.ibb.co/58svfGC/Screenshot-20181214-072000.jpg)

Cool!Looking forward as well. ;)
Agreed,P2 Elder is my big time favorite,nothing beats the legacy though I'm kinda thought they are creative thinking.
Just not so much for the pants idea.   
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2018, 05:20:53 PM
https://theartofken.com/gallery/the-predator-33
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Lotus on Dec 16, 2018, 08:26:07 AM
So it was in the Blu-ray,just couple of scenes as the gif images.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 18, 2018, 07:08:16 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrdcFDSBAB2/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1k9bxqsjw38nu
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2018, 12:16:19 PM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: JokersWarPig on Dec 19, 2018, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 18, 2018, 07:08:16 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrdcFDSBAB2/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1k9bxqsjw38nu

They definitely nailed the movements/walk down. I wish we had gotten to see them on screen (and in more "predator" armor and not that US Army look).
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Dec 19, 2018, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Dec 19, 2018, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 18, 2018, 07:08:16 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrdcFDSBAB2/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1k9bxqsjw38nu

They definitely nailed the movements/walk down. I wish we had gotten to see them on screen (and in more "predator" armor and not that US Army look).

Ditto. As far as their other roles in the movie, I think they did really well with the material they had. I'm glad Brian got a chance to be a Predator, and I honestly hope he can get another shot in the future. His Fugitive was great  :)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2018, 06:27:22 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BroubRglTt1/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=13zp4xk6hwy42
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Still Collating... on Dec 21, 2018, 10:45:20 AM
Original, I like those.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2018, 11:03:07 AM



Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Dec 21, 2018, 01:54:04 PM
That hound is far superior-
to what we received,
it's shameful or Shane-ful, if you like.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 21, 2018, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Dec 21, 2018, 01:54:04 PM
That hound is far superior-
to what we received,
it's shameful or Shane-ful, if you like.

(https://media.makeameme.org/created/DATS-A-GOOD.jpg)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2018, 07:22:43 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrqbKg0ntsU/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=nej9tjqkidmu
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Dec 30, 2018, 12:01:22 AM
That pred looks pretty cool! :)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 30, 2018, 12:48:27 AM
Six pack. Human DNA confirmed
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Jan 01, 2019, 08:17:12 AM


Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Jan 01, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 01, 2019, 08:17:12 AM


Sort of reminds me of the Hell Razers from Doom 2016.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 01, 2019, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 01, 2019, 08:17:12 AM


It looks better, plus makes more sense without the dreads imo
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Kurgan on Jan 01, 2019, 04:20:31 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Jan 01, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 01, 2019, 08:17:12 AM


Sort of reminds me of the Hell Razers from Doom 2016.

At least that one does not have dreads and his casters are somewhat normal sized.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Jan 01, 2019, 04:22:39 PM
The one to the right seems to be more palatable, since the helmet is at least a bit more original than the first one.  Its Predator-ish, but not entirely so. 
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 01, 2019, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: Wysps on Jan 01, 2019, 04:22:39 PM
The one to the right seems to be more palatable, since the helmet is at least a bit more original than the first one.  Its Predator-ish, but not entirely so.

Definitely more palatable.

Actually seeing a human hunting with a Predator on some alien planet wearing this a practical suit would be a cool visual.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Jan 01, 2019, 05:01:02 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 01, 2019, 08:17:12 AM


"My name is Prophet, remember me."
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 01, 2019, 05:02:10 PM
40 Tall.
Fade to Black
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Huggs on Jan 01, 2019, 06:27:30 PM
Would've looked better with 2 blades on the left and a single blade on the right. Impale with left, decapitate with right.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 02:01:05 PM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 12:38:02 AM
So, sculpting can get the X-
But not whatever animatronic
utilisation they have access to.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 12:49:12 AM
Its too bad we didnt get an actual answer from Alec Gillis. Im not sure if he understood what he was be asked exactly and got a lil defensive.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 12:38:02 AM
So, sculpting can get the X- But not whatever animatronic utilisation they have access to.
Of course they can. They just frequently over-animate it.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 03:40:00 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 12:49:12 AM
Its too bad we didnt get an actual answer from Alec Gillis. Im not sure if he understood what he was be asked exactly and got a lil defensive.

He did?

I'll be honest, I didn't listen to the interview
when I heard the question wasn't answered.
I'm sad if it's true he took offense
because I annotated the question
with praise for their work on Alien³.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 04:04:22 AM
Yeah it was a very quick exchange. Hicks asked why, he kinda said well why not? why do they all have to be the same? Or something to that effect, i'de have to re listen to remember exactly. It wasnt satisfying though.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:08:38 AM
Well, that's kinda shitty.

I even articulated the question
to ask if it was either a design
choice or a technical limitation.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:14:28 AM
I'm pretty sure "Why not?" says it's a design choice.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:14:35 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 12:38:02 AM
So, sculpting can get the X- But not whatever animatronic utilisation they have access to.
Of course they can. They just frequently over-animate it.

Though, over-animation has nothing to do with it's inability to close its mouth.

(https://i.ibb.co/VQ89nW7/IMG-20190104-094427.jpg)

Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 12:49:12 AM
Its too bad we didnt get an actual answer from Alec Gillis. Im not sure if he understood what he was be asked exactly and got a lil defensive.

I was so happy to hear Old One's queston raised, and was looking forward to finally understanding the drastic design changes. But Alec did sound a bit defensive in my opinion, and was quick to dismiss the question as nonsense. Also, Hicks surprisingly even had trepidation in asking her question, which confounded the situation even further.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:19:32 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:14:35 AM
Though, over-animation has nothing to do with it's inability to close its mouth.
That's a design consideration. They don't sculpt them to have fully closed mouths.

Although, I mean, neither does the P2 Pred in that screenshot you used. Elsewhere in the movie it does.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:24:20 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:14:28 AM
I'm pretty sure "Why not?" says it's a design choice.

  It's still unclear on whether they can or can't close the mouth.
Or articulate it into the shape of the "X" seen on the thumbnail.

I haven't seen one frame from AVP, AVPR or The Predator
when it was articulated into the "X" shape or the mouth
closed in that "X" shape. This includes Behind the Scenes.

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:25:19 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:19:32 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:14:35 AM
Though, over-animation has nothing to do with it's inability to close its mouth.
That's a design consideration. They don't sculpt them to have fully closed mouths.

Hence one of many reasons why I'm not thrilled with ADI designs.

QuoteAlthough, I mean, neither does the P2 Pred in that screenshot you used. Elsewhere in the movie it does.

My screenshot was taken from YouTube. Let's not get nit-picky. It's close enough and something the ADI designs could never come close to doing.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 04:28:21 AM
I do think that Fugitive is ADIs best effort regarding the Predator, i like it a lot. Its just that the skin/cheeks around the mandibles look so fake. The way the skin folds it just hurts the overall effect.

In the original its pretty much perfect.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:24:20 AM
It's still unclear on whether they can or can't close the mouth. Or articulate it into the shape of the "X" seen on the thumbnail.
It's not unclear at all. They fit the animatronic into the sculpt. There's no mechanical reason they couldn't make that shape -- ADI's not incompetent when it comes to their machinery. They just aren't designed for it.

The "sculpting the Fugitive" video clearly shows the mandibles aren't sculpted to fully close over the mouth to begin with.

As the for X shape, it makes it a few times in the film. Most of the time the upper mandibles are angled and the lower are straighter -- much like the original Predator they were mimicking (See Voodoo's stills)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:29:45 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 04:28:21 AM
I do think that Fugitive is ADIs best effort regarding the Predator, i like it a lot. Its just that the skin/cheeks around the mandibles look so fake. The way the skin folds it just hurts the overall effect.

In the original its pretty much perfect.

I agree my friend, on all counts.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:32:10 AM
Ain't nothing topping the original.

Hell, Winston's own team couldn't do it :P
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:35:39 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:24:20 AM
It's still unclear on whether they can or can't close the mouth. Or articulate it into the shape of the "X" seen on the thumbnail.
It's not unclear at all. They fit the animatronic into the sculpt. There's no mechanical reason they couldn't make that shape -- ADI's not incompetent when it comes to their machinery. They just aren't designed for it.

The "sculpting the Fugitive" video clearly shows the mandibles aren't sculpted to fully close over the mouth to begin with.

Hence the problem. It results in The Crabator, unnecessary, widely unappealing changes to the fictional character's inherent design.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 04:41:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:32:10 AM
Ain't nothing topping the original.

Hell, Winston's own team couldn't do it :P

Yeah but i had no issue with the P2 pred effects (aside from that one shot with the wide eyes, but thats just one shot.), even if they werent better than the original. I would be happy to get back to even that level of qaulity when it comes to the mandibles/mouth.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:42:05 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:24:20 AM
It's still unclear on whether they can or can't close the mouth.
Or articulate it into the shape of the "X" seen on the thumbnail.
It's not unclear at all. They fit the animatronic into the sculpt.
There's no mechanical reason they couldn't make that shape --
ADI's not incompetent when it comes to their machinery.
They just aren't designed for it.

The "sculpting the Fugitive" video clearly shows the mandibles
aren't sculpted to fully close over the mouth to begin with.

So, the problem comes from not sculpting the mouth to close to begin with-
I wonder then is that a choice ADI made or it just so happens to be a choice;
Paul Anderson, The Strause Bros and Shane Black all made.

(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)
Then you've got KNB- that got the "X" correct, but otherwise the mouth
couldn't close or articulate much, to quote Leonna and then Danny boy-
"What the f**k is going on?"
"This is not good Mike, not good at all."

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:50:00 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 04:41:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:32:10 AM
Ain't nothing topping the original.

Hell, Winston's own team couldn't do it :P

Yeah but i had no issue with the P2 pred effects (aside from that one shot with the wide eyes, but thats just one shot.), even if they werent better than the original. I would be happy to get back to even that level of qaulity when it comes to the mandibles/mouth.

Yeah, I whole heartedly disagree with SiL's suggestion. P2's City Hunter and the Elder was just as good as P1's Jungle Hunter in my opinion.

Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:42:05 AM]
So, the problem comes from not sculpting the mouth to close to begin with.
I wonder then is that a choice ADI made or it just so happens it's a choice;
Paul Anderson, The Strause Bros and Shane Black all made.

(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)
Then you've got KNB- that got the "X" correct, but otherwise the mouth
couldn't close or articulate much, to quote Leonna and then Danny boy-
"What the f**k is going on?"
"This is not good Mike, not good at all."

Yeah, I'll still give props to KNB. It's no Winston design but at least it's not a Crabator.

(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)

(https://i.gifer.com/VU53.gif)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:58:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:35:39 AM
Hence the problem. It results in The Crabator, unnecessary, widely unappealing changes to the fictional character's inherent design.
Agreed there.

Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:42:05 AM
So, the problem comes from not sculpting the mouth to close to begin with-
I wonder then is that a choice ADI made or it just so happens to be a choice;
Paul Anderson, The Strause Bros and Shane Black all made.
Anderson wanted more "heroic", handsome-looking Predators, so the mandibles became marginalised. With AvPR they wanted to make the most of the fact they didn't need to use the actor's eyes and created a very differently shaped head. The Predator, eh, probably used to it by now and nobody said to do otherwise.

QuoteThen you've got KNB- that got the "X" correct,
The "x" is only for certain cases. The original doesn't actually make much of an "X", more of a T or Y shape. The lower mandibles aim relatively straight up, and the upper mandibles either sit across or with a slight downward turn.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2F80EaBRgGylo%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&hash=5cc1aa08456ee479e92aa60027b4e56535ac78ce)

The lower mandibles aim in a bit, but it's not an X.

EDIT
I should specific "T or Y at rest"...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 05:10:25 AM
The Elder was the original, just all "dolled up"
to be older and accessorised to look different.

KNB's also got wrinkly mouth going on.
This guy/gal's got it more right than
anyone since 1990- and I'm not saying
ADI or KNB didn't do other things right.
IMO they can and have gotten nearly -
all else correct but the mandibles.



Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 05:12:37 AM
KNB's got a weird problem where the upper mandibles are lower than the bridge of the upper jaw, which just looks wrong.

That video looks like one of AlienFX's suits. They do amazing replicas of the original Predator -- but they're specifically trying to create replicas. Their custom Predators can be quite different.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 05:20:35 AM
Yet KNB's was trying specifically to create the original too.
Couldn't find anything on "AlienFX" BTW, kept getting A.W.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 05:24:58 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 05:20:35 AM
Yet KNB's was trying specifically to create the original too.
They don't make a living off it though :P

QuoteCouldn't find anything on "AlienFX" BTW, kept getting A.W.
https://www.facebook.com/AliensFX/

AliensFX, my bad.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 05:52:52 AM
This seems to be the right approach;
(https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/4248/content_11.jpg)
(https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/4256/content_14.jpg)
;D

Not saying all Predators should be the same,
but the way the mandibles operate should be.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 06:04:46 AM
I agree about the mandibles. They work best when they close the mouth and work kind of like funky lips. They should be used to create both subtle and gross expression.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jan 12, 2019, 10:04:36 AM
As well as the mouth actually closing, I still don't understand how companies like KNB or ADI seem incapable of making the flaps between the mandibles seem "real".  The originals act like skin, stretching and behaving believably, whereas the subsequent ones all bunch and fold in abnormal ways.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
Maybe all the BTS is bullshit and Stan Winston had real Alien friends.
:P
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Still Collating... on Jan 12, 2019, 04:17:59 PM
I wholeheartedly agree with what's been said here. The mouth has been annoying me more and more over the years, but the cheek flaps are a greater problem for me. They need to be smooth and elastic, to seem more natural. The mouth shape is clearly a design choice in the sense that they don't care for the closed mouth, so we get what we usually get. Fugitive looked great in the movie, it's just these little details that are left to make the predator suits perfect, aesthetic wise.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:14:35 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 12:49:12 AM
Its too bad we didnt get an actual answer from Alec Gillis. Im not sure if he understood what he was be asked exactly and got a lil defensive.

I was so happy to hear Old One's queston raised, and was looking forward to finally understanding the drastic design changes. But Alec did sound a bit defensive in my opinion, and was quick to dismiss the question as nonsense. Also, Hicks surprisingly even had trepidation in asking her question, which confounded the situation even further.

Pft. Was RidgeTop who didn't want to ask that. Though I knew it might go down poorly, I knew it needed asking.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 13, 2019, 11:36:59 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 12, 2019, 04:14:35 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2019, 12:49:12 AM
Its too bad we didnt get an actual answer from Alec Gillis. Im not sure if he understood what he was be asked exactly and got a lil defensive.

I was so happy to hear Old One's queston raised, and was looking forward to finally understanding the drastic design changes. But Alec did sound a bit defensive in my opinion, and was quick to dismiss the question as nonsense. Also, Hicks surprisingly even had trepidation in asking her question, which confounded the situation even further.

Pft. Was RidgeTop who didn't want to ask that. Though I knew it might go down poorly, I knew it needed asking.

Ah, sorry for the mistaken identity / mistaken recollection good friend. Also glad you found the topic with merrit. Now, on to business.

{ scans room for a certain suspicious individual, until finding him at the bar }

RidgeTop...

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/9ySjuLTJEpPAA/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c3b1eef5241763459a40863)

;)

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 13, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
Are you trying to annoy the mods, Voodoo?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 13, 2019, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 13, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
Are you trying to annoy the mods, Voodoo?

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/KQm5O05y9rzQA/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c3b576e45506b7a32735316)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Jan 20, 2019, 02:23:26 AM
https://twitter.com/theBAPrince/status/1086810161220644864

https://twitter.com/theBAPrince/status/1086390037128847365
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 20, 2019, 06:05:46 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxUgEwTXgAAvu1b.jpg)

Damn, I sure do love Fugitive.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: pmaz11 on Jan 22, 2019, 10:26:24 AM
I agree ;D Fugitive has earned himself some credit I think.

Just curious, had anyone already posted this picture below?

(https://i.imgur.com/Y8aliuk.jpg)

Just an interesting shot of the cast (with Edward James Olmos & the Emissary Predators)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Wysps on Jan 23, 2019, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 20, 2019, 02:23:26 AM
https://twitter.com/theBAPrince/status/1086810161220644864

https://twitter.com/theBAPrince/status/1086390037128847365

Awesome detail on the elbows, hands, forehead. Hell, everywhere  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 24, 2019, 03:28:11 PM
Quote from: pmaz11 on Jan 22, 2019, 10:26:24 AM
I agree ;D Fugitive has earned himself some credit I think.

Just curious, had anyone already posted this picture below?

(https://i.imgur.com/Y8aliuk.jpg)

Just an interesting shot of the cast (with Edward James Olmos & the Emissary Predators)

Great pic! I'm still sad Edward James Olmos was cut from the film.

Oh look, more Crabators!  I'm suddenly hungry for seafood!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 25, 2019, 03:55:26 PM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Still Collating... on Jan 26, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Fugitive was great as he was, but that last mask really was beautiful IMO, good job ADI.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BlazinBlueReview on Mar 08, 2019, 10:30:35 PM
Quote from: Still Collating... on Jan 26, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Fugitive was great as he was, but that last mask really was beautiful IMO, good job ADI.

Its because of that beautiful work that Im trying to find a mask for collection.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 09, 2019, 01:30:05 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 25, 2019, 03:55:26 PM


What I love about the concept was the Predator aesthetic taking on a more organic appearance. I freaking love the cannon and even it's arm mounting being more sweeping and rounded. There's some good concept art of the Emissary armor floating around and that bulbous look for whatever reason just does it for me.

The mask they ended up using though. That helmet is beautiful.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 09, 2019, 02:30:31 AM
Except for his slack-jaw, Crabator broken jaw bones, I liked the Fugitive Predator too, including his biomask.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Mar 09, 2019, 01:30:34 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:42:05 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 12, 2019, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 12, 2019, 04:24:20 AM
It's still unclear on whether they can or can't close the mouth.
Or articulate it into the shape of the "X" seen on the thumbnail.
It's not unclear at all. They fit the animatronic into the sculpt.
There's no mechanical reason they couldn't make that shape --
ADI's not incompetent when it comes to their machinery.
They just aren't designed for it.

The "sculpting the Fugitive" video clearly shows the mandibles
aren't sculpted to fully close over the mouth to begin with.

So, the problem comes from not sculpting the mouth to close to begin with-
I wonder then is that a choice ADI made or it just so happens to be a choice;
Paul Anderson, The Strause Bros and Shane Black all made.

(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)
Then you've got KNB- that got the "X" correct, but otherwise the mouth
couldn't close or articulate much, to quote Leonna and then Danny boy-
"What the f**k is going on?"
"This is not good Mike, not good at all."

Ok so the reason the Classic Predator couldn't close his mouth was due the production of Predators running out of money to do that. That's also why when Berserker opens his mandibles it looks a bit stiff. Berserker however suffers from the same problem of closing his mouth because while it does move, it can't fully close. So in the scene when he decapitates the Classic Predator you can see that when he prepares to roar his mouth never really moves as much as it should.

It turns out to be a budgetary issue and that would make sense because next to the original film it's the second smallest budget of the series and you have four Predators in that movie. That's why the movie cuts back to Classic and back to Bersekrer as he's taking off his mask because they swapped heads to pull that shot off. The Berserker head they had just couldn't fit behind the mask because of the mouth not closing and the mandible being unable to close fully.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Apr 06, 2019, 12:47:26 AM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2019, 10:25:23 AM
Some crazy shit over here: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YagENY
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SuperiorIronman on May 03, 2019, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2019, 10:25:23 AM
Some crazy shit over here: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YagENY

And only one of them was human-like (and kind of looks like 90's Wasp post-mutation).

Not gonna lie, as far as hybrids go this would've made me uncomfortable. A giant freaking bug monster would've definitely made me squirm in my seat.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 20, 2019, 12:35:18 PM


Nothing about The Predator in the article but funny gif.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 20, 2019, 12:41:25 PM
 :laugh:

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on May 03, 2019, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2019, 10:25:23 AM
Some crazy shit over here: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YagENY

And only one of them was human-like (and kind of looks like 90's Wasp post-mutation).

Not gonna lie, as far as hybrids go this would've made me uncomfortable. A giant freaking bug monster would've definitely made me squirm in my seat.

This one is quite creepy to me.

(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/017/424/581/large/faraz-shanyar-17.jpg)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2020, 11:27:18 AM
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/J99q9a
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mDDbZY
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 30, 2020, 10:10:58 PM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Feb 13, 2021, 03:39:06 AM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: AliceApocalypse on Feb 15, 2021, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 20, 2019, 12:41:25 PM
:laugh:

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on May 03, 2019, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2019, 10:25:23 AM
Some crazy shit over here: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YagENY

And only one of them was human-like (and kind of looks like 90's Wasp post-mutation).

Not gonna lie, as far as hybrids go this would've made me uncomfortable. A giant freaking bug monster would've definitely made me squirm in my seat.

This one is quite creepy to me.

(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/017/424/581/large/faraz-shanyar-17.jpg)

The large eyes almost makes it, cute.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2021, 02:01:54 PM
Almost...   :laugh:
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 02:15:20 PM
Why is it "The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread" ? It should be called "Voodoo Magic's Official Crabators Bashing Thread".

Btw, I've came up with a new term - KNBator

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/24/0f/2b240f8bc90697520818f8219c2135e4.jpg)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-1RQ--AQFfPM%2FVVKNIx6scpI%2FAAAAAAAABt0%2Fwofz-48zm9w%2Fs1600%2FPredator-predators-2010-movie-14721646-1200-800.jpg&hash=03cd06fa5241f59ae8a7dd65c1b29ad757dcd1b5)

"Still not as good as it could've been but western imperialists and voodoo cultists seem to give it a pass" 

"Just say "Нет, товарищи"
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 15, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
Can't close his mouth, as if the fact that he's exactly the original Predator design's not distracting enough.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 02:34:54 PM
Exactly. Welcome to the revolution, comrade !
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2021, 02:53:51 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 02:15:20 PM
Why is it "The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread" ? It should be called "Voodoo Magic's Official Crabators Bashing Thread".

Btw, I've came up with a new term - KNBator

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/24/0f/2b240f8bc90697520818f8219c2135e4.jpg)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-1RQ--AQFfPM%2FVVKNIx6scpI%2FAAAAAAAABt0%2Fwofz-48zm9w%2Fs1600%2FPredator-predators-2010-movie-14721646-1200-800.jpg&hash=03cd06fa5241f59ae8a7dd65c1b29ad757dcd1b5)

"Still not as good as it could've been but western imperialists and voodoo cultists seem to give it a pass" 

"Just say "Нет, товарищи"

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/24/0f/2b240f8bc90697520818f8219c2135e4.jpg)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-1RQ--AQFfPM%2FVVKNIx6scpI%2FAAAAAAAABt0%2Fwofz-48zm9w%2Fs1600%2FPredator-predators-2010-movie-14721646-1200-800.jpg&hash=03cd06fa5241f59ae8a7dd65c1b29ad757dcd1b5)

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NeglectedRichAsiansmallclawedotter-size_restricted.gif)

Well it's all relative. It's like since the release of The Predator, many (not all) have become more forgiving of Predators' faults. I'm one of them. I think the same goes with KNB. I'm certain if Stan Winston did 5 out of the 6 films and KNB did the remainder, KNB would be receiving the sole doesn't-measure-up scrutiny. But alas, with ADI's work, KNB holds up better in comparison by far imo.

For me, regardless of armor or camera perspective, throughout the film, I can see the Crucified's neck and their Predator's head looks proportional to its body. But with ADI's Fugitive, I still can't see his neck, contributing to an already oversized head, that results in ADI's Fugitive Predator having a bobble-head type appearance.

(https://i.ibb.co/C6ymHP6/Screenshot-20190-093524-1.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/X2jdZ56/8780.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/DpqPJ4y/ac7f5162b52de69b504f532c815ac10f.gif) (https://imgbb.com/)

But hey, different strokes for different folks though. Like what you like my friend!  :)

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 15, 2021, 03:05:29 PM
Oh it's proportionally superior, and I'm glad it doesn't have the mouth folds that immediately give away it being an operated animatronic rather than something real. But the stuff that irks me still does irk me.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 15, 2021, 03:28:58 PM
Yes crucified pred from KNB was clearly superior to fugitive's, and that's coming from a guy who hates Predators  ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 05:02:13 PM
And that's why you'll never get another Pred as good as Winston's ones were. There is no absolute to your opinion, you're ready to settle for one imperfection in favor of another. You're ruled by weak leaders and you're too flexible to demand nothing but perfection and march towards ADI headquarters to burn it down when you don't get it. That's why Crabators and KNBators prevail - and you lose
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 15, 2021, 05:20:06 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 05:02:13 PM
And that's why you'll never get another Pred as good as Winston's ones were. There's is no absolute to your opinion, you're ready to settle for one imperfection in favor of another. You're too flexible to demand nothing but perfection and march towards ADI headquarters to burn it down when you don't get it

Burn it down, wha?

I've personally seen what KNB can do under a tremendously short schedule and I'd be fine with KNB coming back. 100%. It might not be as great as Stan's, we may never get to that greatness again, but after three different movies with ADI, I hope we move on to another FX house like Weta. And if not Weta etc. then KNB, because clearly (to me) while very talented, after three films, Predators are just not ADI's strength. And who knows, one day we may get a house that even creates a Predator to rival Stan's creatures!

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Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 15, 2021, 07:40:28 PM
Does someone knows if ADI are somewhat cheaper to hire than other renowned fx companies ? That could explain why they were hired on 3 of the four last movies.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 08:39:15 PM
Cheaper ? Why, they work for free ! As any good slave, I mean, communist should
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: bendinglight on Feb 15, 2021, 09:01:38 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 15, 2021, 07:40:28 PM
Does someone knows if ADI are somewhat cheaper to hire than other renowned fx companies ? That could explain why they were hired on 3 of the four last movies.

Well my understanding is that they were too expensive to do the armor in The Predator for Fugitive, so definitely not cheaper.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 15, 2021, 09:17:56 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 08:39:15 PM
Cheaper ? Why, they work for free ! As any good slave, I mean, communist should

:laugh:

Quote from: bendinglight on Feb 15, 2021, 09:01:38 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 15, 2021, 07:40:28 PM
Does someone knows if ADI are somewhat cheaper to hire than other renowned fx companies ? That could explain why they were hired on 3 of the four last movies.

Well my understanding is that they were too expensive to do the armor in The Predator for Fugitive, so definitely not cheaper.

Ok, so it's even weirder somehow. Good thing though, I quite like Fugitive's armor. I like it way more than the face ;D. Exactly the way like you see a girl with a hot body but when you go up to the face you're like  ???
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 09:49:14 PM
But when the lights out, face is not that important
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 15, 2021, 09:56:24 PM
I actually think the overall paintwork and bodysuit on fugitive is excellent and superior to KNB's predator. If it wasn't for the huge head and shabby ADI mouth design he would be the better effort.

I'm actually fairly impressed with how detailed and well painted he is in comparison to their previous efforts.

ADI is a great effects studio but I dont care for some of their design motifs and their overall predator work. I would prefer this series went with another company from now on.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Feb 15, 2021, 10:54:49 PM
From what I understood on The Predator was that the armor was outsourced to a Canadian studio for some sort of tax break. I could definitely be misremembering that but I think a Canadian studio was involved.

I don't know if ADI is cheap but a Predator suit most certainly isn't. I really wouldn't doubt if the bulk of the budget is getting that thing working and it only gets worse when you have multiple Predators and each film since the original has multiple. ADI does tend to reuse props and costume parts making productions cheaper. Winston did reuse a few things but by AVP once ADI got onboard they already had the working relationship. It also doesn't help that KPH was long gone by that point meaning they absolutely needed to rebuild the suit and while a few parts remained a lot of it just wasn't around anymore and the tech was outdated. They'd have to start from scratch regardless and they'd already been working with ADI on Alien.

Another thing is that ADI's Predator work does have its fans. People to this day for example want to see more of Wolf. While we might be critical of them they're reliably marketable and have a lot of hype behind them when even teased for a game or toy. That's something that the KNB Predators never really got. The Super Predators have some presence but they hype gets real whenever the AVP work gets a new toy or appears in a game. ADI might not be Winston quality but the work had shown merit by pimping movies more than a decade old this reliably.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 15, 2021, 11:22:30 PM
I'm rooting for Legacy or Weta still. For the win. For my sanity. Please.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 15, 2021, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 15, 2021, 10:54:49 PM
From what I understood on The Predator was that the armor was outsourced to a Canadian studio for some sort of tax break. I could definitely be misremembering that but I think a Canadian studio was involved.

Correct, ADI did everything but the armor.

Just for clarification my praise of the suit and paint job was for the work that ADI did, not for the armor (which I liked but not as much as previous designs)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 15, 2021, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 09:49:14 PM
But when the lights out, face is not that important

It's the most important thing, if you're not a pleb.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 16, 2021, 03:44:51 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 15, 2021, 09:49:14 PM
But when the lights out, face is not that important

Bruuhh that's pure Strausen mantra

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Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 16, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 15, 2021, 09:56:24 PM
I actually think the overall paintwork and bodysuit on fugitive is excellent and superior to KNB's predator. If it wasn't for the huge head and shabby ADI mouth design he would be the better effort.

The head never bothers me, but the mouth does. I always used to think Scar didn't look particularly moist but I think that was more my memory of the set photography than the actual film. Whenever I see the movie, the skin does actually look good IMHO. I've no issue if ADI returns for Skulls, I would just like to see them close their mouths and no flappy skin.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 10:13:06 AM
I believe in Arvey D. Ient
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 15, 2021, 09:56:24 PM
I actually think the overall paintwork and bodysuit on fugitive is excellent and superior to KNB's predator. If it wasn't for the huge head and shabby ADI mouth design he would be the better effort.

I'm actually fairly impressed with how detailed and well painted he is in comparison to their previous efforts.

I agree. When you even compare the Fugitive's paint application to Wolf and Scar, the skin paint detail work has improved by leaps and bounds. But with that came a price, where the head has grown in size by leaps and bounds. It's so utterly frustratingly awful to me.

QuoteADI is a great effects studio but I dont care for some of their design motifs and their overall predator work. I would prefer this series went with another company from now on.

From your lips to the Predator Gods' ears my friend! I think the majority of us Predator fans would welcome a change.

And to those who do not dislike ADI's work, what would harm would an FX house change bring (unless somehow one doesn't believe another fx house couldn't match ADI's level of quality.) ADI has already done 3 films. For better or worse, they've made their stamp on the franchise, in its history, which has been received with indubitably mixed reactions. So let's give some new blood a shot. Honestly, for a different FX house to be substantially worse than what we got from ADI in AvP, AvPR, and The Predator is really very slim to me.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
And to those who do not dislike ADI's work, what would harm would an FX house change bring (unless somehow one doesn't believe another fx house couldn't match ADI's level of quality.)

Well, for me it's not so much that I think that bringing in a new company would be a bad thing - not at all. It's the fact that you end the same paragraph with

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Honestly, for a different FX house to be substantially worse than what we got from ADI in AvP, AvPR, and The Predator is really very slim to me.

You try to come out as diplomatic while still saying that ADI's work is low-quality. I happen to not share that opinion

And just the fact that you and many other members use every opportunity to say "Crabators are bad, boo ADI" gets on my nerves. I know that I'm in minority with that. You just asked - I answered
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 05:51:21 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
And to those who do not dislike ADI's work, what would harm would an FX house change bring (unless somehow one doesn't believe another fx house couldn't match ADI's level of quality.)

Well, for me it's not so much that I think that bringing in a new company would be a bad thing - not at all. It's the fact that you end the same paragraph with

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Honestly, for a different FX house to be substantially worse than what we got from ADI in AvP, AvPR, and The Predator is really very slim to me.

You try to come out as diplomatic while still saying that ADI's work is low-quality. I happen to not share that opinion

Meaning, are you worried for the future of Predator if another fx house is brought on, that they possibly wouldn't be able to match ADI's level of quality?

I was saying the odds of us getting something substantially worse than what we got from ADI in AvP, AvPR, and The Predator (even if one likes it) is really very slim to me.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 06:00:08 PM
Look, first of all, I have to admit that AvP (the movie) holds very special place in my heart. I absolutely love Scar, I love Preds in that movie 'cause they were the first Preds 4 years old me had ever seen - years before I saw first Predator movie. As years went by and I got to see other movies I started to notice that AvP Preds look more humanised and kinda relatable. But I've never found them to look terrible. Same with AvPR - first time I'd seen Wolf. I thought: "Wow, that one nasty Predator ! And these mandibles are huge ! " I was amazed - not disgusted. I don't think I can really objectively judge these designs, I'm definetly biased in that matter 'cause of effect AvP had on me. But I'm gonna be that guy and say that no fan really can. To judge it objectively IMO you have to a) have proper education in that matter and b) to be emotionally detached from the creature you're talking about. I think, the first time pretty much every one of us who saw Predator (no matter what movie exactly it was) thought: "Wow, that's one cool looking monster". I doubt anyone have thought - "Ah, what a nicely designed creature. Look at this paintjob, at this texture, at all its armoury. Very, very nice". Nobody was thinking of how proffesionally the costume was made at that moment. All these technical things we learn much latter. At the end of the day, It's that truly child-like amazement that sparks fandom in us and that's stays with us for the rest of our lives. And that first impression definetly plays part in how we see certain things as years go by and something new and different comes out. So, I believe that you criticising Crabators is as biased in that matter as I'm defending them

To answer your question - yes, I see them as high quality. I don't think they're lower quality than Stan Winston's ones (God, save my soul for saying that) - they're different. No, I'm not worried for a new company coming in - I would be as curious as you to see what new company would bring to the table. But I feel bad for ADI reading all these posts "Good riddance ADI, it was long time coming". I don't know anyone of them, never met them, never spoken to them, they don't even know of my existence. But from what I know of them, what I've heard they seem to be nice guys who love doing their job and passionate about it. That's just the person I am - I tend to stand up for the whipping boy. I guess, that's why I like Alien 3, The Predator or Dark Knight Rises
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 06:19:59 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 06:00:08 PM
But I feel bad for ADI reading all these posts "Good riddance ADI, it was long time coming". I don't know anyone of them, never met them, never spoken to them, they don't even know of my existence. But from what I know of them, what I've heard they seem to be nice guys who love doing their job and passionate about it. That's just the person I am - I tend to stand up for the whipping boy. I guess, that's why I like Alien 3, The Predator or Dark Knight Rises

Yet you're silent for the "whipping boy" when it comes to the PredAlien, something ADI is demolished for much more than their Predators here. Or the Strause Brothers or AvPR for that matter. When I'm that lone voice liking the PredAlien, while it gets pummeled by almost everyone here, where are you my brother having this very same reaction like you do when people criticize their Predators?  :P

At least I'm consistent. I know hardly anyone likes it here, and I can accept that, but I still love me some ADI PredAlien just the same.  ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 06:32:45 PM
And what I'm not consistent with ? I'm consistent in liking ADI Preds. I've said that I tend to stand up for a whipping boy. Yes, but does it mean I have to stand for a whipping boy even if I don't like anything about him ? There's still something I find entertaining in Alien 3, The Predator of Dark Knight Rises. AvPR ? Not so much, I'm sorry. I really, really am. I would love to enjoy it as much as you do. As I would lovw you to enjoy The Predator as much as I do. I've tried to re-watch it on holidays but I just can't bring myself to do it. I just don't like it - at all. PredAlien ? Ok, I'll give you that - I don't defend it too much (I don't mind design too much though and for once not against dreadlocks). But from my point of view it doesn't need as much "defending" as ADI Preds. PredAlien appears in discussions occasionally, from time to time and goes back to the void. But ADI Preds, especially now, when that new Predator movie is coming out ? My, my, everybody and his dog uses the chance to say how awful they're and how much they hope ADI gets replaced
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 06:40:24 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 06:32:45 PM
But ADI Preds, especially now, when that new Predator movie is coming out ? My, my, everybody and his dog uses the chance to say how awful they're and how much they hope ADI gets replaced

It's just how people feel. And just like it's fair for you to dislike AvPR and/or the ADI PredAlien, it's fair for others to dislike ADI Predators. Try not to let it bother you so much. That's the point I'm trying to make.  :)

And don't forget our cats!  ;)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 06:50:29 PM
And that's how I feel. It's fair if you don't like it - but I fully disagree it was done by lazy people with their hearts in the wrong place. It's not worse - it's different. You give a good advice - but it's hard, SO HARD to not be bothered when I check Predator-related threads and see everybody and his dog uses the chance to ... you get the point

What cats ?  :D

EDIT: Oh. I get it. I feel like cats don't give a f**k as long as they're fed
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 16, 2021, 07:14:58 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 06:19:59 PM
When I'm that lone voice liking the PredAlien, while it gets pummeled by almost everyone here, where are you my brother having this very same reaction like you do when people criticize their Predators?  :P

I'm here, that makes two !  ;)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Feb 16, 2021, 08:48:12 PM
I'm with Kradan - literally every Predator related thread turning into pages whining about "crabators" is incredibly obnoxious. Whether it's film threads, comic threads, game threads, book threads, or even general topics, you can't escape it. It's spam at this point.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 08:55:20 PM
Thanks, SiL  :)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 09:43:09 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 16, 2021, 08:48:12 PM
I'm with Kradan - literally every Predator related thread turning into pages whining about "crabators" is incredibly obnoxious. Whether it's film threads, comic threads, game threads, book threads, or even general topics, you can't escape it. It's spam at this point.

The fine gentlemen known as Kradan uses the "crabators" phrase as much as everyone else lately, often in retort. Again, lately I've seen it used more than others than myself, including Kradan. He suggested that even I should challenge ADI on the topic in an upcoming podcast, something I didn't bring up nor condone, but replied to you both in regards to my views on such a situation.

"Crabators" has become short hand to encapsulate ADI's unique design of the Predator, and applicable Predator fans lack of satisfaction with the design. Lately I've often seen it used by Predator fans in relation to concerns related to the upcoming Skulls movie, and discussions ensue. It's all legitimate and not spam, and I would argue if anything qualifies more as whining, it's this recent post(s) I have been replying to lately in this very thread. But I prefer not to go that far. If it's about Predator design, Alien design, skulls, eggs and egg morphing or barfing, ... it's best if we use more positive descriptors than "whining" I think.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Feb 16, 2021, 10:47:32 PM
Exactly who's doing it is entirely besides the point. And why mince words? When it's incessant, repetitive, and unproductive, it's whining.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 16, 2021, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 06:19:59 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 06:00:08 PM
But I feel bad for ADI reading all these posts "Good riddance ADI, it was long time coming". I don't know anyone of them, never met them, never spoken to them, they don't even know of my existence. But from what I know of them, what I've heard they seem to be nice guys who love doing their job and passionate about it. That's just the person I am - I tend to stand up for the whipping boy. I guess, that's why I like Alien 3, The Predator or Dark Knight Rises

Yet you're silent for the "whipping boy" when it comes to the PredAlien, something ADI is demolished for much more than their Predators here. Or the Strause Brothers or AvPR for that matter. When I'm that lone voice liking the PredAlien, while it gets pummeled by almost everyone here, where are you my brother having this very same reaction like you do when people criticize their Predators?  :P

At least I'm consistent. I know hardly anyone likes it here, and I can accept that, but I still love me some ADI PredAlien just the same.  ;D

The Predalien is legitimately impressive, out of context. It's just f**kawful as an Alien design.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 11:07:53 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 16, 2021, 10:53:10 PM
The Predalien is legitimately impressive, out of context. It's just f**kawful as an Alien design.

Right on cue!  :)

Quote from: SiL on Feb 16, 2021, 10:47:32 PM
Exactly who's doing it is entirely besides the point. And why mince words? When it's incessant, repetitive, and unproductive, it's whining.

Uh, pot meet kettle then! Welcome to AvPGalaxy forums! ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 16, 2021, 11:41:51 PM
Well of course you think you're the only one who appreciates it if you use me praising it, as evidence of people hating it.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 11:46:32 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 09:43:09 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 16, 2021, 08:48:12 PM
I'm with Kradan - literally every Predator related thread turning into pages whining about "crabators" is incredibly obnoxious. Whether it's film threads, comic threads, game threads, book threads, or even general topics, you can't escape it. It's spam at this point.

The fine gentlemen known as Kradan uses the "crabators" phrase as much as everyone else lately, often in retort. Again, lately I've seen it used more than others than myself, including Kradan. He suggested that even I should challenge ADI on the topic in an upcoming podcast, something I didn't bring up nor condone, but replied to you both in regards to my views on such a situation.

"Crabators" has become short hand to encapsulate ADI's unique design of the Predator, and applicable Predator fans lack of satisfaction with the design. Lately I've often seen it used by Predator fans in relation to concerns related to the upcoming Skulls movie, and discussions ensue. It's all legitimate and not spam, and I would argue if anything qualifies more as whining, it's this recent post(s) I have been replying to lately in this very thread. But I prefer not to go that far. If it's about Predator design, Alien design, skulls, eggs and egg morphing or barfing, ... it's best if we use more positive descriptors than "whining" I think.

There's a difference - fine gentleman known as Kradan uses term "crabators" not because he agrees with it's negative meaning but because its simple term which pretty much every member of AvPG knows at this point. So when I say "crabators" everybody understands - "ADI Predators".

And I stand by what I said about your inclusion on ADI interview - not necessarily because I agree with you on the matter but rather because it would be an opportunity for ADI to explain themselves. And it would've been an interesting fun discussion which I think even SiL who claims it would be cringe would be curious to listen
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 17, 2021, 12:02:42 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 16, 2021, 11:41:51 PM
Well of course you think you're the only one who appreciates it if you use me praising it, as evidence of people hating it.

No, cue in regards to repeating ourselves which, I'm 200% guilty of, as in I heard you say this before. Plus you're one of my AvPR > AvP pals! 👍
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2021, 12:03:30 AM
The Strause Bros deserve no sympathy.

Spoiler
Quote from: SiL on Oct 05, 2018, 10:02:05 AM

QuoteIf you know how to kiss ass, you will be the best employee there. If you are unhappy with your supervisor and you complain to your higher ups, nothing will happen because the said supervisor is best friends with one of the brothers. If you go complain about the forced overtime, you would be fired. If you don't agree to the micro management of your supervisor, you are done. Some supervisors in some departments hire only girls because they are easier to control.

QuoteAdding here one brother was worse than the other in terms of berating. Quite a few leads also took pleasure in this and much yelling.

QuoteThe supervisors were all but outright telling me the place was a shithole as I was sitting there.

...

"sometimes we leave at 6, sometimes we're not sure when we'll leave"

No direct deposit, only hard checks.

They asked me what I heard about the owners. When I spouted some biographical shit I knew about them they stopped me and asked what I really heard about them, and proceeded to explain how difficult they were.

All single monitors, and they still used mental ray. Not a huge thing in its own right, but spoke to their cheapness and that they didn't want to invest in technology.

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/Hydraulx-Reviews-E494935.htm?filter.iso3Language=eng
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And yeah the "Crabators" do suck- their heads more specifically, perhaps the most important part though, I think ADI's Predators are otherwise stellar.
(The body, the armor, offensive and defensive weaponry and all that stuff.)

But the AVP 2004 and AVP Requiem Aliens also suck, although the Queen's excellent as are the Eggs, Facehuggers and AVP 2004's PredAlien Chestburster and AVP Requiem's PredAlien before it got ruined. (By overreacting to one teenager's actually positive remark.)

So technically speaking the Aliens (Adult and Chestburster specifically) in AVP 2004 work exactly as designed as they did in Alien Resurrection but they don't belong anywhere else other than in Alien Resurrection itself, I can't say the same for AVP Requiem, perhaps budgetary restrictions are to blame but they all just look awful.

Whatever the circumstances to cause it, I am glad we got a correctly proportioned Alien again, in Alien Isolation and Alien Covenant and hope to see a similar return to form for the Predator design.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Feb 17, 2021, 12:30:20 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 16, 2021, 11:07:53 PM
Uh, pot meet kettle then!
Why so quick to go ad hominem? I don't complain about a single topic every chance I get in any tangentially related thread. Not everyone here does.

Common complaints are one thing, but are usually reserved to different sections and specific discussions. Crabators are everywhere, and it's usually the same handful of people talking about it.

All I said was that I find it obnoxious. I don't expect anyone to stop.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 17, 2021, 01:03:16 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 17, 2021, 12:03:30 AM
The Strause Bros deserve no sympathy.

Even for their other masterpiece, the great Skyline ?  ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 01:05:57 AM
I unironically enjoyed the sequel.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Feb 17, 2021, 01:17:04 AM
The sequel was actually watchable.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SM on Feb 17, 2021, 07:38:55 PM
The first one was a low bar.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 18, 2021, 04:48:59 AM
I only heard things but in this case it's enough.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Apr 12, 2021, 09:35:48 PM
Random pictures (mostly old) I found on IG today






























Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 12, 2021, 11:03:36 PM
Weirdly enough I kinda want to see this version now...
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2021, 01:26:20 PM
I do feel it would be a shame if a lot of this FX work for the original vision was completed, but never gets out for public consumption. Expansive home video supplementals seem less and less a priority to studios these days, as digital keeps growing and physical keeps shrinking. :-\
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Apr 13, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 12, 2021, 11:03:36 PM
Weirdly enough I kinda want to see this version now...

Yeah, same. I would prefer bad and crazy over bad and bland
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2021, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 13, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 12, 2021, 11:03:36 PM
Weirdly enough I kinda want to see this version now...

Yeah, same. I would prefer bad and crazy over bad and bland

Wait. You're calling The Predator bad and bland now?

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Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Apr 13, 2021, 06:17:50 PM
It's third act, yes. It's very much condensed version of "soldiers fighting Predator in the woods" and while I still enjoy it, it is not as interesting as two Predators in military outfits and bunch of crazy looking hybrids
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 18, 2021, 05:27:01 AM
https://twitter.com/TrashedPicture/status/1383598641781252100?s=19
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Apr 18, 2021, 05:47:14 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 18, 2021, 05:27:01 AM
https://twitter.com/TrashedPicture/status/1383598641781252100?s=19

Awesome!!!

https://twitter.com/TrashedPicture/status/1383598641781252100

**If it is true they didn't like that the scenes took place during the day time, as I've mentioned before, why not just use "day for night" filming techniques in post?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Master on Apr 18, 2021, 06:42:50 AM
I'd love to see that version. It wouldn't have been better, but more fun? I betchya it would .
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2021, 01:39:25 PM
That's some Predator universe craziness right there!  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 18, 2021, 02:38:12 PM
Yeah the more things I learn about this cut, the more I want to see it, weirdly enough.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 03:12:05 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 18, 2021, 05:47:14 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 18, 2021, 05:27:01 AM
https://twitter.com/TrashedPicture/status/1383598641781252100?s=19

Awesome!!!

https://twitter.com/TrashedPicture/status/1383598641781252100

**If it is true they didn't like that the scenes took place during the day time, as I've mentioned before, why not just use "day for night" filming techniques in post?

OMG, I wanna know what is this right now  :o
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 18, 2021, 03:21:43 PM
It's one of the multiple hybrids the upgrade bring with him in the first version of the movie. This one rips Coyle's face while on a tank, and is being shot to death at the same time by Coyle also IIRC.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 19, 2021, 02:24:49 PM
I wish we could see its face!
Title: Re: The Crabator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 19, 2021, 07:14:36 PM
I suspect it resembles a crustacean.
Title: Re: Best Predator Movie Ever Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Apr 19, 2021, 07:24:03 PM
 :D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Master on Apr 19, 2021, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 19, 2021, 02:24:49 PM
I wish we could see its face!

I bet  it's the monkey boy.
(https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/pred10.jpg?ssl=1)
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2021, 05:29:52 AM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 03, 2021, 02:48:00 PM
That is some crazy sh*t!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Aug 03, 2021, 05:12:42 PM
I see a mandible
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 04, 2021, 07:33:22 AM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: TheBATMAN on Aug 04, 2021, 01:07:33 PM
I mean, it's interesting isn't it, but I think they were quite right to scrap this direction for wandering too far from what people would expect from a Predator film.

That being said i'd still love to see it one day.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 04, 2021, 01:32:23 PM
I wasn't keen on the genetic modification angle (yawn) but if it'd been some sort of collection of various prey (one of the ships from Predators going around picking up the good game) that got lose, I'd have been aboard.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 04, 2021, 01:54:15 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 04, 2021, 01:07:33 PM
I mean, it's interesting isn't it, but I think they were quite right to scrap this direction for wandering too far from what people would expect from a Predator film.

That being said i'd still love to see it one day.

Yeah, I'm one who believes this is one of those rare cases where the studio interference actually helped salvage the film from being a total clusterf*ck of a movie. A movie that still retains some of its clusterf*ck ingredients like a 11 foot - 700 lb Predator, Autism chasing, a hybrid Predator-Puppy-Pet, a kid ending up working for the government, and so on.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 04, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
The autism chasing actually makes sense in the context of the film as the upgrade Pred really doesn't rely nor use much technology so it and his clan likely prefer to upgrade their biology as opposed to upgrading their technology (ie armor skin and thermal vision). Rory figured out Predator tech and language in the span of an afternoon which would probably look like a pretty appealing biological upgrade to that clan. Hence the autism chasing.

All that aside I personally abhor studio interference and wish they'd just let the director fulfill their artistic vision. We'll probably never know if that version was any good or not but I'd love to see it someday.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Aug 04, 2021, 02:54:30 PM
I could've had a giant gecko monster. Does it belong in a Predator film? In this one yes because it's supposed to be out of place. It'd have been dumb as shit but it would've been entertaining compared to what we got.

Was Illfonic in charge of the reshoot cause everything I hear about what could've been sounds way more interesting.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 04, 2021, 03:53:00 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 04, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
We'll probably never know if that version was any good or not but I'd love to see it someday.

Any good? I don't know. For curiosity sake, definitely, I want to see it. But when you think there is a scene out there filmed featuring Emissary Predators trying out smoking with Nebraska's cigarettes, I'm inclined to think maybe the test audiences did us (and the franchise) an awfully big favor. We could have had a real franchise killer on our hands. It's bad enough they kept the headshot-Pred-Puppy-is-now-my-friend in.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 04, 2021, 02:54:30 PM
I could've had a giant gecko monster. Does it belong in a Predator film? In this one yes because it's supposed to be out of place. It'd have been dumb as shit but it would've been entertaining compared to what we got.

My turn off is all of theses creatures are Predator hybrids. I would have been much more interested in them if they were just collected alien creatures from different worlds intended to be released and hunted.

QuoteWas Illfonic in charge of the reshoot cause everything I hear about what could've been sounds way more interesting.

Ouch!  You really think all of Predator Hunting Grounds lore work is worse than The Predator script?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Master on Aug 04, 2021, 07:51:18 PM
Idk. I think I'd prefere version with wierd monsters.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Aug 04, 2021, 07:56:56 PM
Same


Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 04, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
The autism chasing actually makes sense in the context of the film as the upgrade Pred really doesn't rely nor use much technology so it and his clan likely prefer to upgrade their biology as opposed to upgrading their technology (ie armor skin and thermal vision). Rory figured out Predator tech and language in the span of an afternoon which would probably look like a pretty appealing biological upgrade to that clan. Hence the autism chasing.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/8f161b8964ccc500c58a590b82d9e16a/tenor.gif?itemid=9222847)


Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 04, 2021, 03:53:00 PM
We could have had a real franchise killer on our hands

Could have ?  :D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Aug 04, 2021, 08:20:34 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 04, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
The autism chasing actually makes sense in the context of the film as the upgrade Pred really doesn't rely nor use much technology so it and his clan likely prefer to upgrade their biology as opposed to upgrading their technology (ie armor skin and thermal vision). Rory figured out Predator tech and language in the span of an afternoon which would probably look like a pretty appealing biological upgrade to that clan. Hence the autism chasing.
It only 'makes sense' because Rory's autism is highly selective and disappears when it might inconvenience the plot.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 04, 2021, 09:54:03 PM
And? It still makes sense to the film which you're not contradicting so I'm not sure where you're going with that comment  ???

But if you want an explanation for Rory's differing levels of functionality I'd say that it's not uncommon for people on the spectrum to implement "masking" to deal with society. And it's easier for them to do this when they have someone who they feel safe around (his dad). Take it or leave it but that could easily explain away the (non)issue that you see with Rory's portrayal.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Aug 04, 2021, 10:15:56 PM
My point is the context itself is stupid (and broken) so it doesn't really forgive anything. Whatever the justification, you're left with a plot about an alien monster trying to harvest movie autism from a child to advance itself biologically. No part of that sentence is anything other than moronic.

And that's really not how autism works. Alarms and dogs barking bother him, but guns, grenades, and helicopters are fine? That's not masking, that's magic.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Aug 04, 2021, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 04, 2021, 03:53:00 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 04, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
We'll probably never know if that version was any good or not but I'd love to see it someday.

Any good? I don't know. For curiosity sake, definitely, I want to see it. But when you think there is a scene out there filmed featuring Emissary Predators trying out smoking with Nebraska's cigarettes, I'm inclined to think maybe the test audiences did us (and the franchise) an awfully big favor. We could have had a real franchise killer on our hands. It's bad enough they kept the headshot-Pred-Puppy-is-now-my-friend in.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 04, 2021, 02:54:30 PM
I could've had a giant gecko monster. Does it belong in a Predator film? In this one yes because it's supposed to be out of place. It'd have been dumb as shit but it would've been entertaining compared to what we got.

My turn off is all of theses creatures are Predator hybrids. I would have been much more interested in them if they were just collected alien creatures from different worlds intended to be released and hunted.

QuoteWas Illfonic in charge of the reshoot cause everything I hear about what could've been sounds way more interesting.

Ouch!  You really think all of Predator Hunting Grounds lore work is worse than The Predator script?

It's very safe as far as Predator plots go. Guys drop into jungle, fight bad guys, Predator shows up. The entire setup is basically the original film without the character interactions and all the intriguing bits happening off screen. Cleopatra? Offscreen, Predator Killer and hybrid weaponry tests? Offscreen. Dutch's adventures? Offscreen. Even with the raids on Stargazer headquarters to figure out what they're doing out in the jungle is off screen and we're literally going to a few of these bases. The logs are alright but the more interesting adventures and concepts are not happening with the player's group. And even then the stuff we have to do is all business. Our role in the story begins and ends at the mission.

Now they aren't writers and ran out of time. And that's the problem. It's setup is too safe and the player has nothing to work with. They never addressed that. Our Predator and FT don't have anything to do besides the gameplay loop. All our characters say roughly the same thing and don't interact beyond that. The logs are alright for lore enthusiasts but that's not the plot of the game given we don't interact with any of that. Flavor text is not plot. The thing is that I can't say.., walk into the nearest encampment, shoot my friends, consume their bodies for nourishment, and then join Stargazer. This isn't Skyrim, our characters and objectives are pre-determined meaning that while I can customize them to my hearts content, they're characters who exist within the universe. The fates are left up to the player, but I can't get 87 Dutch killed and it have an impact on the universe.

I say all this that I do think it's a better plot because our heroes are participating in these important events. They aren't secondary to Dutch, or Keyes, or the OWLF. The plot stinks, but you can tell the plot of The Predator, you can tell them what McKenna or Traeger did in that movie. We know who Doctor Brackett is but I can't tell you thing one about who the drug lords in Val Verde are. I don't know who the Derailed traitor is. I don't know Dante so beyond having a body on the team I know as much as the flavor text says. We don't even know what Cleopatra looks like. 
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Aug 04, 2021, 10:41:52 PM
But what about the backstory in the logs. How is that written?

The game didn't strike me as the kind that was trying to put the player through a narrative during gameplay, but was rather all about the hunter/hunted experience. Is it fair to criticise then for not letting the players experience the plot when that never seemed to be the point?
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 04, 2021, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2021, 10:15:56 PM
My point is the context itself is stupid (and broken) so it doesn't really forgive anything. Whatever the justification, you're left with a plot about an alien monster trying to harvest movie autism from a child to advance itself biologically. No part of that sentence is anything other than moronic.

And that's really not how autism works. Alarms and dogs barking bother him, but guns, grenades, and helicopters are fine? That's not masking, that's magic.

LOL so your argument is just YOUR opinion that you think it's moronic and stupid. Well whether you like it or not, your opinion  doesn't change the fact that it makes sense in the context of the film. Also you're coming across as very ableist but you do you bro.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2021, 12:34:06 AM
Didn't take you very long to abandon the conversation and resort to personal attacks.

Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 04, 2021, 11:28:15 PM
Well whether you like it or not, your opinion  doesn't change the fact that it makes sense in the context of the film.
Whether you like it or not, it doesn't change the fact the context of the film doesn't make sense.

QuoteAlso you're coming across as very ableist but you do you bro.
By acknowledging autism doesn't stop and start at people's convenience?

Ableism would be trying to downplay or minimise aspects of the condition that aren't considered desirable by neurotypical people. Like the film does.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 05, 2021, 01:25:07 AM
Where was the personal attack? That I said you're coming across ableist key words "coming across".

If the context of the film doesn't make sense to you than that's on you. But clearly you have your opinion which is all you'll hear so once again you do you.

Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2021, 02:06:03 AM
You're pretty dug in refusing to even try to understand what I'm saying but ok, I'm the one not listening.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 05, 2021, 01:54:41 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 04, 2021, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 04, 2021, 02:54:30 PM
Was Illfonic in charge of the reshoot cause everything I hear about what could've been sounds way more interesting.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 04, 2021, 03:53:00 PM
Ouch!  You really think all of Predator Hunting Grounds lore work is worse than The Predator script?

It's very safe as far as Predator plots go. Guys drop into jungle, fight bad guys, Predator shows up. The entire setup is basically the original film without the character interactions and all the intriguing bits happening off screen. Cleopatra? Offscreen, Predator Killer and hybrid weaponry tests? Offscreen. Dutch's adventures? Offscreen. Even with the raids on Stargazer headquarters to figure out what they're doing out in the jungle is off screen and we're literally going to a few of these bases. The logs are alright but the more interesting adventures and concepts are not happening with the player's group. And even then the stuff we have to do is all business. Our role in the story begins and ends at the mission.

Now they aren't writers and ran out of time. And that's the problem. It's setup is too safe and the player has nothing to work with. They never addressed that. Our Predator and FT don't have anything to do besides the gameplay loop. All our characters say roughly the same thing and don't interact beyond that. The logs are alright for lore enthusiasts but that's not the plot of the game given we don't interact with any of that. Flavor text is not plot. The thing is that I can't say.., walk into the nearest encampment, shoot my friends, consume their bodies for nourishment, and then join Stargazer. This isn't Skyrim, our characters and objectives are pre-determined meaning that while I can customize them to my hearts content, they're characters who exist within the universe. The fates are left up to the player, but I can't get 87 Dutch killed and it have an impact on the universe.

I say all this that I do think it's a better plot because our heroes are participating in these important events. They aren't secondary to Dutch, or Keyes, or the OWLF. The plot stinks, but you can tell the plot of The Predator, you can tell them what McKenna or Traeger did in that movie. We know who Doctor Brackett is but I can't tell you thing one about who the drug lords in Val Verde are. I don't know who the Derailed traitor is. I don't know Dante so beyond having a body on the team I know as much as the flavor text says. We don't even know what Cleopatra looks like.

Cleopatra has been hinted as an upcoming DLC, very likely this months. But, to the point...

I was talking the  wonderfully conceived lore work recordings voiced by Schwarzenegger and Busey.  But you're talking gameplay plot? I think you're comparing apples to oranges here.

Predator Hunting Grounds is not a linear game. It's not. It's an online service asymmetrical action game designed to recapture the feel of 1987's Predator... the Predator versus armed commandos, over and over again, in brief action-packed matches.

I really love that in the lore tapes Illfonic course-corrected Stargazer to going rogue and black-market, subsequently resurrecting OWLF versus Stargazer with the latter being involved in all sorts of nefarious activities to fund their evil organization. But the individual "plot" of the random in-game mini tasks against Stargazer are inconsequential, more mechanism to the match experience. Predator: Hunting Grounds does not proceed in a linear fashion with story elements you progress through.

Predator: Concrete Jungle on the other hand? Have at it. That is a linear game with a plot you can fairly compare The Predator to.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Nov 19, 2021, 05:10:54 AM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Kradan on Nov 19, 2021, 11:14:08 AM
Cool
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: brokentusk420 on Dec 23, 2021, 01:58:38 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2021, 08:20:34 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 04, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
The autism chasing actually makes sense in the context of the film as the upgrade Pred really doesn't rely nor use much technology so it and his clan likely prefer to upgrade their biology as opposed to upgrading their technology (ie armor skin and thermal vision). Rory figured out Predator tech and language in the span of an afternoon which would probably look like a pretty appealing biological upgrade to that clan. Hence the autism chasing.
It only 'makes sense' because Rory's autism is highly selective and disappears when it might inconvenience the plot.

100000%
BOOM! ROASTED!
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 25, 2022, 08:09:14 PM



Think he posted these all previously on his site btw - https://theartofken.com/gallery/the-predator-33
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: RidgeTop on Jan 26, 2022, 03:17:47 AM
Man, Ken is such a fantastic concept artist.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: ace3g on Mar 26, 2022, 12:13:30 AM
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
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Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 23, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
What the hell is that?! a geko-like hybrid? ???  I remember a leaked script had some spider-like creatures. Thanks for sharing. :o
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 23, 2022, 03:28:28 PM
Ey Legion!

It appears Alien and Predator have been quite close to Noah Hawley for a while then.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 23, 2022, 03:37:58 PM
(https://s8.gifyu.com/images/UnfoldedBigheartedBrant-max-1mb.gif)

But seriously, I didn't know that the artist worked on Noah Hawley series. What a shame! ;D
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 23, 2022, 03:44:08 PM
Means it probably would have looked pretty good whatever it ultimately is.
Title: Re: The Predator Behind-the-scenes Thread
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 23, 2022, 03:45:23 PM
Definitely. 8)