UPDATE No.2:Release date has been moved forward again to
19 May 2017. (US release)
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UPDATE No.1:Release date has been moved forward to
4 August 2017.
Original post:
https://twitter.com/20thcenturyfox/status/666299338813870084 (https://twitter.com/20thcenturyfox/status/666299338813870084)
Quote from: SynopsisRidley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott's 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.
Previous release date:
6 October 2017.
It'll be US. Urgh. This new news would come when I'm not near a pc.
Their facebook update is also quite revealing in terms of plot...
https://www.facebook.com/PrometheusMovies
(Spoiler from what I gained by reading the Facebook update)
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So it appears that Shaw didn't survive?
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 05:29:56 PM
(Spoiler from what I gained by reading the Facebook update)
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So it appears that Shaw didn't survive?
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Looks like it, unless David dropped her off somewhere else... but why?
Also, looks like the "new travelers" will be a ship full of dumb-ass colonists.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 16, 2015, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 05:29:56 PM
(Spoiler from what I gained by reading the Facebook update)
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So it appears that Shaw didn't survive?
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Looks like it, unless David dropped her off somewhere else... but why?
It's either going to be handwaved away or her fate will be a point of interest in the story.
Still 100% better than the stupid wet dream fanfiction Blomhack wanted to make.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 16, 2015, 05:16:26 PM
It'll be US. Urgh. This new news would come when I'm not near a pc.
It's October according to the Instragram update.
this is an interesting concept, however I feel that they should focus more on Elizabeth and her quest. Hopefully they don't just kill her off because it was to hard to make her work.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 16, 2015, 06:03:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 16, 2015, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 05:29:56 PM
(Spoiler from what I gained by reading the Facebook update)
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So it appears that Shaw didn't survive?
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Looks like it, unless David dropped her off somewhere else... but why?
It's either going to be handwaved away or her fate will be a point of interest in the story.
They might be taking the Force Awakens Luke Skywalker route.
Seems as if the prequels are all named after the main ships to feature in their respective stories.
Quote from: Beatnation on Nov 16, 2015, 06:06:31 PM
Still 100% better than the stupid wet dream fanfiction Blomhack want to make.
Nobody outside of the production team knows what that story is meant to be about. You can't judge it any more than the rest of us can.
Damn I am excited for this. All the more so considering its sounding somewhat similar to my Prometheus II fan script. 8)
So does that mean the one tieing into alien will be alien: derelict ??
So no explanation on how david had his head re attached ?? I wonder what the year will be ? Before or after 2122 ??
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 16, 2015, 06:10:10 PM
Seems as if the prequels are all named after the main ships to feature in their respective stories.
Quote from: Beatnation on Nov 16, 2015, 06:06:31 PM
Still 100% better than the stupid wet dream fanfiction Blomhack want to make.
Nobody outside of the production team knows what that story is meant to be about. You can't judge it any more than the rest of us can.
Beatnation is a troll account that needs to be deleted.
Let's not get catty please.
Very cool to have a synopsis and release date.
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I assume they'll address what happens to Shaw. It wouldn't surprise me if she winds up being the protagonist of the third movie. Hopefully we get some cool space horror.
I'm not. Check his posts.
Cool.
Well there goes the canon continuity of Rage War I think. In Rage War humanity only explored a fraction of the galaxy. Here we are on the far side of the galaxy. The far side!
Quote from: Kelgaard on Nov 16, 2015, 06:38:57 PM
I'm not. Check his posts.
You don't agree with him. That's fine. Let's all try and be civil please. That includes you too Beatnation. Thanks guys.
I wish they would keep a good title for the movie for once. I like the Paradise Lost title so much better. October 2017 is a much better date then a May 2017 release date. Hard to believe I will be a member on AVPG for 10 years in 2017 :o . Feels like yesterday when AVPR was coming out.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 16, 2015, 06:39:13 PM
Cool.
Well there goes the canon continuity of Rage War I think. In Rage War humanity only explored a fraction of the galaxy. Here we are on the far side of the galaxy. The far side!
Maybe it's a Fiennes ship? But in all seriousness, it would shock me if this movie is set long after the first movie.
That said, it doesn't really mention the timeline. I'd be curious as to where it fits into the continuity.
My bet is on Shaw becoming the fossilized engineer in the dericict. David convinces her to re attach his head, he overpowers her etc......
Quote from: sugarhigh on Nov 16, 2015, 06:47:23 PM
My bet is on Shaw becoming the fossilized engineer in the dericict. David convinces her to re attach his head, he overpowers her etc......
I certainly hope not.
My bet is on Shaw becoming the fossilized engineer in the dericict. David convinces her to re attach his head, he overpowers her etc......
--------------Nope. The derelict is fossilized, which means it has been there for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
Alien Covenant ... can not wait. ;D ;D
I'm curious about Noomi Rapace. She being human there can be NO way she survives space rough s climates, something I'm sure will happen to her ... some BAD!!!
I'm glad to see David coming back ... in what FORM though, this will be interesting.
A NEW rouge of heros awaits, the ship going into uncharted territories ... OOOO BOY!!
Going to show so much love for this film when it comes out.
Then next ... Alien 5
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 16, 2015, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 16, 2015, 06:39:13 PM
Cool.
Well there goes the canon continuity of Rage War I think. In Rage War humanity only explored a fraction of the galaxy. Here we are on the far side of the galaxy. The far side!
Maybe it's a Fiennes ship? But in all seriousness, it would shock me if this movie is set long after the first movie.
I noticed this as well...
Maybe there have been those very rare instances humanity ventured far beyond the Human Sphere?
Afterall, the Founders did it. And of course, the Fiennes ships.
Maybe what happens in Covenant, would convince the powers that be to slow down our expansion into space a notch, as going In with haste can make us meet unspeakable horrors without being ready for them.
Totally on board with this.
This is much more progressive and an inclusive direction for the series to take than Blomkamp's vanity driven sentimentalist retcon nonsense that only served to be divisive to the series.
Progress is forward looking; not backwards.
Just to clarify, I think Blomkamp would be a great choice for an 'ALIEN 5' movie. Just his initial proposal is 30 years too late and blows chunks in 2015. I can see him making 'ALIEN 5' one day. ...with Aliens. ...and USCM. Let it be a tangential sequel to 'ALINS' that runs parallel to the event depicted in the 3rd movie; but for God's sake, really. No matter how you look at it, Rippers and Hicks are history.
Bring on 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Looking forward to this sooo much.
-Windebieste.
They have to explain Shaw in some way. Maybe David contacts the human race and tells them to come there. Maybe he ISN'T the sole survivor and that's part of the surprise. Either way, you can bet David has learned a thing or two about this world they are heading to and that it's gone to his head.
Sounds a bit like SUNSHINE and THE BLACK HOLE.
Also ISLAND of DR MOREAU and FRANKENSTEIN if I'm getting the right thing out of this synopsis. David being a Victor Frankenstein or Dr Moreau type of character and the new travelers being the unwitting participants.
Perhaps instead of The ISLAND OR DR. MOREAU, we have The PLANT of Android DAVID.
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 16, 2015, 07:33:53 PM
They have to explain Shaw in some way. Maybe David contacts the human race and tells them to come there. Maybe he ISN'T the sole survivor and that's part of the surprise. Either way, you can bet David has learned a thing or two about this world they are heading to and that it's gone to his head.
I can easily imagine David contacting a colony ship in order to obtain human Guinea pigs for his experiments. "Come to coordinates xxxx-xxxx-xxx, it's Paradise, we have have balmy beaches with palm trees and piña coladas". :)
I assume this film will be larger in scope than Prometheus with a pretty hefty body-count if we're talking about an entire ship full of colonists.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 16, 2015, 07:56:46 PM
I can easily imagine David contacting a colony ship in order to obtain human Guinea pigs for his experiments. "Come to coordinates xxxx-xxxx-xxx, it's Paradise, we have have balmy beaches with palm trees and piña coladas". :)
I assume this film will be larger in scope than Prometheus with a pretty hefty body-count if we're talking about an entire ship full of colonists.
This is exactly what I'm thinking. The Engineers require human hosts and recruit David to bring them to them.
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 16, 2015, 07:33:53 PM
Also ISLAND of DR MOREAU and FRANKENSTEIN if I'm getting the right thing out of this synopsis. David being a Victor Frankenstein or Dr Moreau type of character and the new travelers being the unwitting participants.
To add to your musings, the full and complete title of Mary Shelley's 1818 book is 'Frankenstein; or the Modern Prometheus'. Does that ring any bells?
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 05:29:56 PM
(Spoiler from what I gained by reading the Facebook update)
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So it appears that Shaw didn't survive?
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Sh*t happens when Medpods don't close wounds properly :D
... Really hope she can get some answers overthere.
Far side of the galaxy is at least 50 000 light-years away. Humans from Earth wouldn't be able to go there, would they ?
The Milky Way is 100,000 light years from one end to the other.
The Alien series shows that space travel is very difficult, even the Rage War set in 2692 says we've only explored 1% of the galaxy, and human space alone would take you 200 years to fully explore. That's what I love about this franchise, it respects the sheer mass of space.
So I don't know how the Covenant would reach the other side of the galaxy, unless Weyland-Yutani discovered a good FTL method and after this film, decided it's best we stick to our local stars lol.
According to Spaihts draft the engineer home world is In. Sagitarius's arm. With a span of 100000 light years for our Galaxy I'd imagine 50000 llightyears sounds reasonable.
Wow, they're really tying this in to the original Alien graphically with no evolution whatsoever. Looks cool though.
Yes that's the thing how did they get there . According to the weyland industries website FTL was discovered around 2040. The Prometheus did 17 times the speed of light. That would take 3000 years to fet there.
It's Hollywood talk for "It's in space - we don't know exactly where; but it's in space, you'll like it!"
-Windebieste.
Colored me interested. I wonder how this will tie into the original alien.
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 16, 2015, 08:37:39 PM
Yes that's the thing how did they get there . According to the weyland industries website FTL was discovered around 2040. The Prometheus did 17 times the speed of light. That would take 3000 years to fet there.
Science fiction shenanigans perhaps. Wormholes and etc?
Windebieste
It sounds suspiciously like like Apone saying : it s a rescue mission you will like it. We have to rescue the colonists daughters from their virginity.
Yeah I guess its going to have to make sense somehow. I just hope we aint gonna get the "plothole" thing again.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 16, 2015, 08:58:07 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 16, 2015, 08:37:39 PM
Yes that's the thing how did they get there . According to the weyland industries website FTL was discovered around 2040. The Prometheus did 17 times the speed of light. That would take 3000 years to get there.
Science fiction shenanigans perhaps. Wormholes and etc?
I am hoping not. Except maybe if its well set after alien say 300 or so years and the tech has really gone way beyond anything we can think of now . Although this sounds even worse.
I just hope it doesn't literally tie in with Alien. What I mean is, the derelict seemed to be on LV 426 for thousands of years, its pilot fossilised (No, I still don't accept the Space Jockey as a suit).
I don't want to see the derelict crash land on the planetoid just a couple of years before the events of Alien, except maybe if it was already a derelict in space and it crashed in that state.
I would like to see:
1. The Space Jockeys as the ones who created the engineers and the engineers as the ones who stole "the fire" from them;
2. The Aliens as life form (made by the Jockeys or not), that the engineers are trying to replicate but never can;
3. The derelict as the last place where pure living Alien samples exist (maybe, haven't thought this one through).
I know, dream on...
I am absolutely happy it is official now! And yet- almost 2 more years.... Thats harsh!
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 16, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
I am hoping not. Except maybe if its well set after alien say 300 or so years and the tech has really gone way beyond anything we can think of now . Although this sounds even worse.
Personally I like the idea of it being set well after Alien. An old ship, hundreds of year old, outdated and drifting through space all that time.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 16, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 16, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
I am hoping not. Except maybe if its well set after alien say 300 or so years and the tech has really gone way beyond anything we can think of now . Although this sounds even worse.
Personally I like the idea of it being set well after Alien. An old ship, hundreds of year old, outdated and drifting through space all that time.
You know what? That sounds really cool actually.
The Covenant could even be one of the earliest waves of Fiennes like ships, sent out into the unknown with colonists in cryo-sleep. So they may just wake up and not have a clue what year it even is until they check the ship's computer if it's not malfunctioning.
It just reminded me of a film called "Pandorum" where humans send out a huge ship to go and colonize a nearby Earth like world. The ship is filled with mutated humans that have evolved to live in the ship due to how long it has been drifting.
We then learn that
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the ship has crashed on the planet and has been on it for quite some time...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 16, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 16, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
I am hoping not. Except maybe if its well set after alien say 300 or so years and the tech has really gone way beyond anything we can think of now . Although this sounds even worse.
Personally I like the idea of it being set well after Alien. An old ship, hundreds of year old, outdated and drifting through space all that time.
Thinking about it now it could be nice . Actually its sounds better the more I think about it.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Nov 16, 2015, 08:03:34 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 16, 2015, 07:56:46 PM
I can easily imagine David contacting a colony ship in order to obtain human Guinea pigs for his experiments. "Come to coordinates xxxx-xxxx-xxx, it's Paradise, we have have balmy beaches with palm trees and piña coladas". :)
I assume this film will be larger in scope than Prometheus with a pretty hefty body-count if we're talking about an entire ship full of colonists.
This is exactly what I'm thinking. The Engineers require human hosts and recruit David to bring them to them.
That sounds pretty reasonable and likely actually. I think I could dig it too. David was so utterly fascinating in the film.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 09:16:32 PM
It just reminded me of a film called "Pandorum" where humans send out a huge ship to go and colonize a nearby Earth like world. The ship is filled with mutated humans that have evolved to live in the ship due to how long it has been drifting.
We then learn that Spoiler
the ship has crashed on the planet and has been on it for quite some time...
I've never seen the film (I've meant to and might watch it tonight now you've mentioned it) but that's a pretty typical twist for that kind of plot. I'd hate to see it recycled here.
I too would sort of like it if the movie was set far in the future, the year 3000 or something like that. That would give David a good long while to experiment with whatever he finds on the Engineer planet, becoming some sort of Elden-esque demi-god.
As far as Shaw, like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if they went with "she didn't find answers on Paradise, so she went somewhere else that we'll get in the final movie."
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 08:30:46 PM
The Alien series shows that space travel is very difficult
I wouldn't say that. '
Alien' shows space travel as fairly routine; the Nostromo crew are very jaded about their travelling experience. '
Aliens' shows the Sulaco is fast enough to reach LV-426 in, what? Couple of weeks or so? Most of the Marines aboard it think poorly of Gorman not having nearly as much experience at "combat drops" as the rest of them. They're zipping around colonies to figure out what's happening with them on a regular basis.
Cryotubes are a hassle, I guess, but the practical business looks like people don't have much trouble with it. Even the Prometheus demonstrates we've discovered the miracle of artificial gravity.
So prometheus 3 cannot follow chronologically as it must be before Alien ??
Couple of random thoughts:
Though it's definitely weird that there's no mention of Shaw, I am beyond excited about this, for two reasons. One: Shaw was–let's face it–not exactly the most interesting protagonist. David, on the other hand, was by FAR the most interesting character in the first film. Putting him front and center–at least in terms of returning characters from the first film–is a smart choice; it shows that Scott and team are genuinely taking the time to learn what worked best with the first film, then making changes accordingly.
The OTHER reason I'm excited about there being zero mention of Shaw is, as Bat Chain Puller alluded to in his 'Luke Skywalker Force Awakens' comment, it leaves open an interesting plot thread/mystery that Scott and team could pick up on later on, potentially in Film #3: what happened to Shaw? What exactly happened between the events of Prometheus and Alien: Covenant? Not only could this potentially create a nice cyclical, come-full-circle structure of this 'prequel trilogy,' but it also, in turn, could help to make Shaw a more interesting character in her own right. The Shaw that we had in Prometheus wasn't that interesting; a Shaw that's disappeared, whereabouts unknown, that shows up later on, having undergone who knows what kinds of changes? THAT'S interesting.
I also have to say: it's interesting that Twentieth Century Fox, by releasing this synopsis, has officially nailed down a direction-of-sorts for the franchise for the next few years, at least in terms of the films. In every interview that Scott's given over the last few months, it seemed as if he was throwing everything that came to the top of his mind out there; it was interesting stuff, don't get me wrong, but it gave off the illusion that he was sort of making this stuff up as he went along (the fact that the film's title seemed to be changing every time he spoke didn't help, either). By officially labeling Alien: Covenant as the "second film" in a "prequel trilogy," Fox seems to be making a distinct effort to simultaneously reel Scott's plans in (i.e. now it's a prequel trilogy, as opposed to three or four sequels) while also giving the director a clear set of boundaries to work within. As far as I see it, this is awesome news all the way around. I couldn't be more psyched :) :) :)
Oh well . I thought colony ship meant people who lived on a colony nearby. Forgive my ignorance. This really sounds great if its a few hundred of years later . The potential and scope of this is mind blowing.
What's even better if it is a few hundred years later is that it doesn't mess with the established canon of the other movies. It simply tells it own story. Will we see a WY merger in Prometheus 3 ? But so far it sounds great.
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 16, 2015, 09:49:27 PM
What's even better if it is a few hundred years later is that it doesn't mess with the established canon of the other movies. It simply tells it own story. Will we see a WY merger in Prometheus 3 ? But so far it sounds great.
I'd prefer not to see anything like that in Covenant. Leave that kind of thing to Alien. I want these prequels to go more towards exploring the unknowns in space.
You are probably right about leaving the WY merger to Alien.
Exploring the unknowns of space - but how much of that will be "space jockey" civilization ?? Does the unknowns have to be Lovecaraftian or more space odyssey like. How would describe it or want it ??
Still I like it and hope I get what you mean. It sounds kinda space odyssey - ish.
There is a sense of satisfaction and happiness with in me. IF the movie comes anywhere near what has been speculated here.
*sighs satisfied*
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 16, 2015, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 08:30:46 PM
The Alien series shows that space travel is very difficult
I wouldn't say that. 'Alien' shows space travel as fairly routine; the Nostromo crew are very jaded about their travelling experience. 'Aliens' shows the Sulaco is fast enough to reach LV-426 in, what? Couple of weeks or so? Most of the Marines aboard it think poorly of Gorman not having nearly as much experience at "combat drops" as the rest of them. They're zipping around colonies to figure out what's happening with them on a regular basis.
Cryotubes are a hassle, I guess, but the practical business looks like people don't have much trouble with it. Even the Prometheus demonstrates we've discovered the miracle of artificial gravity.
When I said it's very difficult, I meant that it's unlike Star Wars or Star Trek where you just activate hyperspeed or warp drive and buzz through like it were nothing. I should've worded it a bit better.
In Alien, it's dangerous despite being a routine, it's still tricky. Remember when the Nostromo landed on LV-426 and caught fire out of nowhere? Sure it's a rust bucket, but it's still decades after Prometheus. The landing wasn't as smooth as it would be for the Millennium Falcon.
That's something I love about this franchise, it shows hazards such as fires catching etc.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 16, 2015, 09:30:23 PM
I too would sort of like it if the movie was set far in the future, the year 3000 or something like that. That would give David a good long while to experiment with whatever he finds on the Engineer planet, becoming some sort of Elden-esque demi-god.
As far as Shaw, like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if they went with "she didn't find answers on Paradise, so she went somewhere else that we'll get in the final movie."
You're not alone, that'd be quite interesting too.
For all we know they're keeping Shaw's role a secret.
They also really need to get rid of the dreadful, fanfic-y 'Alien' header IMO, that sounds tagged on by a studio determined to maximize the franchise box office. Just call it Covenant or something.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 16, 2015, 09:57:40 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 16, 2015, 09:49:27 PM
What's even better if it is a few hundred years later is that it doesn't mess with the established canon of the other movies. It simply tells it own story. Will we see a WY merger in Prometheus 3 ? But so far it sounds great.
I'd prefer not to see anything like that in Covenant. Leave that kind of thing to Alien. I want these prequels to go more towards exploring the unknowns in space.
Maybe there'll be really dull business scenes akin to the senate scenes in Star Wars prequels ahahaahahaah!
plot sound cheesy but im in because of Fassbender
Does anyone else not like the idea of the Aliens being created? i think the aliens being a natural creature far more terrifying
I think its good to call it Alien- as it really gives the plot a push toward an actual Xenomorph thread being the main plot point. I love Prometheus, and how it explores the engineers. And I want that to continue in the next movie as well but, I desperately need a cinematic 3D Giger Style Alien rush in my life!
Also it makes it all more coherent. They should actually change the title of Prometheus to Alien: Prometheus.
Leaving the Alien out of title could result in potential movie goers to miss out in the film. I mean hey- I want this series to make millions, so they continue to make them. After they completely destroyed and butchered the Terminator franchise, there is not much left for me....
Didn't read through the thread but I wanted to point out there is no confirmation that the planet mentioned is LV-223. If this movie connects directly to ALIEN, then parts or all of ISOLATION may no longer be canon as I am sure we all know that game has a small focus on what set off the beacon in the original Derelict.
As for the title. Personally I think ALIEN: PARADISE LOST was a somewhat poor title. I would have liked PARADISE LOST on it's own in the same classic font as PROMETHEUS and ALIEN. ALIEN: COVENANT on the other hand gives me mixed feelings.
On one side I like the continued use of religious symbolism but on the other hand it sounds sorta B-Rated to me. Plus when the word covenant follows the word alien, I almost immediately think of Halo.
If the ship is a colony ship I'd presume the cast will be much larger this time around and if that includes children that makes it all the much darker.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 16, 2015, 07:33:40 PM
Totally on board with this.
This is much more progressive and an inclusive direction for the series to take than Blomkamp's vanity driven sentimentalist retcon nonsense that only served to be divisive to the series.
Progress is forward looking; not backwards.
Just to clarify, I think Blomkamp would be a great choice for an 'ALIEN 5' movie. Just his initial proposal is 30 years too late and blows chunks in 2015. I can see him making 'ALIEN 5' one day. ...with Aliens. ...and USCM. Let it be a tangential sequel to 'ALINS' that runs parallel to the event depicted in the 3rd movie; but for God's sake, really. No matter how you look at it, Rippers and Hicks are history.
Bring on 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Looking forward to this sooo much.
-Windebieste.
Well said. Hopefully we're both wrong about the direction A5 is going and it really does end up going the route you mentioned at the end of your post.
I am fine with the title. Either would suffice. However, I would have liked a catchy one-worded title such as those that had come before. Oh well.
I do wonder, and I would like everyone's take on this, but will they go back and rebrand Prometheus as ALIEN: Prometheus? I wouldn't be surprised with a special edition release at some point with a director's cut that adds in some of those deleted scenes that actually were pretty sweet.
But I thought the sequence with the beacon in Alien Isolation was long after the events of Alien. They more or less reactivated it, years after what happened on the Nostromo. At least that is how I perceived it.
This news has made my day.
However about the timeline, this is still a prequel movie so it must be set before the events of alien, I'd assume anyways. Plus we are in the far end of the universe. It wouldn't be that much of a venture for an FTL ship to make it to the shorted end of the end of the universe. :P
just hope Ridley sees the opportunity to make this David's trilogy! like Alien was Ripley's. Fassbender is an amazing actor
Davidis awesome. And yet I really liked Shaw! I think Noomi Rapace is a great actress and gave Shaw who gave Shaw many facets. Weakness and self doubt and naivite, and yet her passion made her brace and relentless. When she cut out that embryo and patched herself up, she was becoming a real bad ass until the end of her movie.
A woman who can't bear children who is searching for an answer to why humans are the way they are. Maybe that was sub consiously another reason, why she was looking for the engineers. Not to prolong her own life like others. But to find a way to create life! To find out what happens after death, or lets say get a grasp of the universe, and find out why humans were created, and ow it all connects, is maybe just one aspect of her.
And then what she is getting, is a traumatic abortion, and the creation of a life, that means DEATH to everything else. Her search for wisdom gives birth to a snake, to put it in biblical terms. How does a character come back from that? And how does she get back at this universe who treats her so badly? Her anger which makes her going even further, is really one of strongpoints of Prometheus final scenes. As well as her relationship to David, who she still accepts more or less as being who acted in accord with its own concepts, rather than just hating him for what he has done.
Her search for Paradise is a plot point I would deeply miss in the next movie, if they were to ignore it. But I like the fact that nothing is revealed in the details as of yet. They can build up the mystery around her in the following movies. But I defintely want to see her again.
October 2017? That's... a bit far off. And I guess this means Blomkamp's movie, if it's going to be released afterwards will be sometime around 2019 or 2020. Oh man. Well... I guess Shane's movie might be released earlier or sometime around 2018 then?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 17, 2015, 01:12:03 AM
October 2017? That's... a bit far off. And I guess this means Blomkamp's movie, if it's going to be released afterwards will be sometime around 2019 or 2020. Oh man. Well... I guess Shane's movie might be released earlier or sometime around 2018 then?
WE wont see blomkaps till ridley is done with the prequels so if we go by the current cycle. itll be 3-5 years till the 3rd alien prequel after A:C is released. (2012-2017 Prom- A:C). Unless ridley jumps right into the third.
2017 A:C
2020(2)? - prequel 3
2025ish blomkamp maybe.
which im ok with
Wait... what?
It's confirmed that Blomkamp won't do his movie until Ridley finishes with the Prometheus series? I thought it was just one film!
It is what it is, or is it? :P Very interested to see what will occur...
I liked Shaw a lot. I think it was a courageous choice to present a female protagonist in the series who is not a superwoman like idealized fanfiction, nor immediately as pragmatic and tough the way Ripley was - instead you had a very idealistic, almost-naive young intellectual who chose not to choose between her faith and her science. The difference in the takes at the end with her and David, from the aggressive outtake in the deleted scenes to the more almost maternal, exasperated one in the final film really highlights who she is.
I hope we see her again and I suspect we will. Again, they may just be keeping her role under wraps or Rapace may not yet be signed.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 17, 2015, 02:09:40 AM
Wait... what?
It's confirmed that Blomkamp won't do his movie until Ridley finishes with the Prometheus series? I thought it was just one film!
Ridley says he isnt letting Alien 'get away from him again.'
I think he just wants to know for sure where this is all going before he boxes himself in story wise with what Blomkamp is up to. He may want to at least know what is coming next in his third prequel before he greelights a script. I think this is a really smart move. Id hate to have any more weird loose ends or dangling storylines created because no one had enouhh sense to correspond the stories into one grand mythology.
Quote from: Shamo on Nov 17, 2015, 12:02:05 AM
But I thought the sequence with the beacon in Alien Isolation was long after the events of Alien. They more or less reactivated it, years after what happened on the Nostromo. At least that is how I perceived it.
You're right. Good news then as Isolation has been my favorite medium of ALIEN from the last 10 years.
I was under the impression that Rapace has already been signed for Covenant.
David's return does give me hope but man I don't have good feelings about this one.
Quote from: Shamo on Nov 16, 2015, 11:37:53 PM
Also it makes it all more coherent. They should actually change the title of Prometheus to Alien: Prometheus.
Leaving the Alien out of title could result in potential movie goers to miss out in the film. I mean hey- I want this series to make millions, so they continue to make them. After they completely destroyed and butchered the Terminator franchise, there is not much left for me....
I fully expect them to rebrand Prometheus as Alien: Prometheus. At the end of the day, it was an Alien film. Sure it didn't have an Alien in it but it was undeniably set in the same universe.
And I definitely hope the script is more coherent this time around!
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Nov 16, 2015, 11:40:38 PM
Didn't read through the thread but I wanted to point out there is no confirmation that the planet mentioned is LV-223. If this movie connects directly to ALIEN, then parts or all of ISOLATION may no longer be canon as I am sure we all know that game has a small focus on what set off the beacon in the original Derelict.
I don't think it's aiming towards it being LV-223. The whole "being on the far side of the galaxy thing" makes it sounds like its going farther out, where they don't expect to find anyone.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 17, 2015, 02:09:40 AM
Wait... what?
It's confirmed that Blomkamp won't do his movie until Ridley finishes with the Prometheus series? I thought it was just one film!
As far as he's said, it would Prometheus 2/Covenant being done first and then Alien 5. He didn't say the whole series.
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 17, 2015, 04:34:37 AM
Ridley says he isnt letting Alien 'get away from him again.'
He said that in reference to Prometheus/the prequels. He didn't say he wasn't going to let Alien get away from him. He said "these" when talking about the Prometheus films. Urgh. I hate IGN for this.
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 17, 2015, 06:11:13 AM
I was under the impression that Rapace has already been signed for Covenant.
She talked about a Prometheus sequel but I can't remember if she ever signed on or not. I'm just having a flick through our news archives now.
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this is an interesting concept, however I feel that they should focus more on Elizabeth and her quest. Hopefully they don't just kill her off because it was to hard to make her work. "
I don't understand, these movies are called Alien for a reason, not Ripley or Shaw...don't fall in love with the characters too much..
Sounds much better than I had hoped. Not bothered about the loss of Shaw, time will tell if this is actually due to Noomi not being interested.
I like the idea of David being alone on the planet, it opens up a level of ambiguity over what he says which will make everything more interesting.
Timeline wise I can't see this being after Alien - Remember in Aliens a 57 year cryosleep is considered really, really long. I can buy that this ship has set out maybe, 10 years before or something.
To the people talking about having a much bigger cast, I'm placing my bet now that it won't be a huge cast and they will just have the vast majority of the colonists in cryosleep, I can see a MUTHUR style wake up scenario for the crew of the ship to check out this "perfect" world - not the passengers.
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Quote from: oduodu on Nov 17, 2015, 06:11:13 AM
I was under the impression that Rapace has already been signed for Covenant.
She talked about a Prometheus sequel but I can't remember if she ever signed on or not. I'm just having a flick through our news archives now.
FYI I couldn't find anything saying she'd signed on.
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Quote from: oduodu on Nov 17, 2015, 06:11:13 AM
I was under the impression that Rapace has already been signed for Covenant.
She talked about a Prometheus sequel but I can't remember if she ever signed on or not. I'm just having a flick through our news archives now.
FYI I couldn't find anything saying she'd signed on.
Ok. Well I certainly hope she will feature. Bummer if she doesn't. I just assumed like with david that was a dead cert.
Who knows.
I hope that Shaw being missing from the tiny synopsis is just part of the mystery of the plot. But Paradise Lost didn't last long as a title. And why is It again named after the ship. Its like they are going to call the first one Alien : Nostromo. Second one, Aliens : Hadley's Hope. Third one: Alien : Fiorina and Resurrection is gonna be renamed Alien : Auriga
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Quote from: oduodu on Nov 17, 2015, 06:11:13 AM
I was under the impression that Rapace has already been signed for Covenant.
She talked about a Prometheus sequel but I can't remember if she ever signed on or not. I'm just having a flick through our news archives now.
FYI I couldn't find anything saying she'd signed on.
Here you go Corporal:
QuoteScott confirmed with Deadline that yes, both actors [Fassbender and Rapace] are still on board for the sequel.
http://collider.com/prometheus-2-story-revealed-by-ridley-scott/ (http://collider.com/prometheus-2-story-revealed-by-ridley-scott/)
Thanks 8th.
Will we ever get a full on alien prequel.prometheus was ok didn't mind it at all and look forward to seeing how the sequel is handled but would just be nice to see a real xenomorph created what the engineers went through creating them and how did a xeno get out and kill the engineer piloting the ship with the eggs onboard
By all accounts that is what the new prequels are doing.
Fox should go back and re-brand ALIENS into ALIEN: Aliens: Alien 2, so that the uninitiated audience members can connect to dots and know that films are related.
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 16, 2015, 08:32:59 PM
According to Spaihts draft the engineer home world is In. Sagitarius's arm.
Nice point, hope to see it in the movie :)
Travelling inside the galaxy must be routine for the Engineers, unlike humans from Earth. So humans from another system, more advanced than us, (and speaking english of course :P) could be involved (one should remember our creators are space gardeners, life seeders)
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 10:39:37 PM
That's something I love about this franchise, it shows hazards such as fires catching etc.
I get what you mean, there are some 'realistic' counterbalances to FTL technology, for e.g.
Quote from: PrimitifAlien on Nov 17, 2015, 05:57:21 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Nov 16, 2015, 08:32:59 PM
According to Spaihts draft the engineer home world is In. Sagitarius's arm.
Nice point, hope to see it in the movie :)
Travelling inside the galaxy must be routine for the Engineers, unlike humans from Earth. So humans from another system, more advanced than us, (and speaking english of course :P) could be involved (one should remember our creators are space gardeners, life seeders)
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 10:39:37 PM
That's something I love about this franchise, it shows hazards such as fires catching etc.
I get what you mean, there are some 'realistic' counterbalances to FTL technology, for e.g.
Good point about the Engineers making other "human" looking aliens. :P This is actually a great excuse for why this franchise can have many humanoid aliens to begin with, like in Fire and Stone, there's this humanoid four armed and red skinned alien race that was primitive, a Predator that was hunting on the world discovered cave paintings showing Engineers pointing at the stars similarly to how they did with us on Earth.
For all we know, the Arcturians that Frost mentions sleeping with in Aliens could be very human looking as well, only hard to discern the genders. :laugh:
Interesting. I do find Noomi Rapace's absence odd. Maybe they just mentioned Fassbender because he is a bigger star? Or... Shaw was pretty beat up after getting the cesarean, running around, and being hit on her wound. Perhaps, just maybe, after reconnecting's David's head, she was getting close to death and David froze her to save her later? I felt like David had an mild infatuation with her.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 16, 2015, 10:39:37 PM
When I said it's very difficult, I meant that it's unlike Star Wars or Star Trek where you just activate hyperspeed or warp drive and buzz through like it were nothing. I should've worded it a bit better.
In Alien, it's dangerous despite being a routine, it's still tricky. Remember when the Nostromo landed on LV-426 and caught fire out of nowhere? Sure it's a rust bucket, but it's still decades after Prometheus. The landing wasn't as smooth as it would be for the Millennium Falcon.
That's something I love about this franchise, it shows hazards such as fires catching etc.
Well, in a sense, but I think it just depends on the distance. Cryosleep is only necessary for lengthy voyages. I'd suspect the Falcon is smaller than the Nostromo? In which case, the dropship is a more comparable landing craft and has a similar smooth landing capability.
We really don't know how ships travel long distances in the '
Alien' films... I've often thought it strange that we're able to generate gravity inside ships, yet they travel along using relatively archaic rocket exhausts.
Quote from: botched on Nov 17, 2015, 05:33:29 PM
Fox should go back and re-brand ALIENS into ALIEN: Aliens: Alien 2, so that the uninitiated audience members can connect to dots and know that films are related.
Absolutely not. Prometheus makes sense to rebrand since it literally sounds nothing like ALIEN. ALIENS is clearly related by name alone.
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 17, 2015, 04:34:37 AM
Ridley says he isnt letting Alien 'get away from him again.'
...So we're not getting Alien 5 until all the Prometheus sequels are done?
I'm sorry but... that just displeases me. I really hope that isn't the case.
I know Prometheus was a let down, but I believe Scott is trying to make a proper Alien movie this time. The only other director I would be happy with making an Aliens movie is James Cameron so this is good news as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I've got good vibes about this as well. Ridley seems to have a stronger idea of what he wants, and he's clearly re-energized by the idea of revisiting Alien. Honestly, I've wanted to see this kind of movie for over a decade.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 18, 2015, 02:01:45 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 17, 2015, 04:34:37 AM
Ridley says he isnt letting Alien 'get away from him again.'
...So we're not getting Alien 5 until all the Prometheus sequels are done?
I'm sorry but... that just displeases me. I really hope that isn't the case.
He didn't say that. Unless someone can provide me with a source saying otherwise, he said it would be Prometheus 2 first and then Alien 5. I can't remember seeing anything that said he would make it wait until he was done with the Prometheus series.
So James Cameron's AVATAR and Avatar: The last air bender are clearly related then?
Scott isn't saying no to Neil Bloomkamp's alien, however Scott wants to rein in the franchise and be in control of the grand concept and themes. The whole "got away from him" deal. Basically he has made alien his baby and if NB wants to play he can but it'll be by Ridley's rules. Which I think is fair and overall a good idea. That's the way I see it anyways.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 18, 2015, 08:14:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 18, 2015, 02:01:45 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 17, 2015, 04:34:37 AM
Ridley says he isnt letting Alien 'get away from him again.'
...So we're not getting Alien 5 until all the Prometheus sequels are done?
I'm sorry but... that just displeases me. I really hope that isn't the case.
He didn't say that. Unless someone can provide me with a source, he said it would be Prometheus 2 first and then Alien 5. I can't remember seeing anything that said he would make it wait until he was done with Prometheus.
Indeed, where did this nonsense get started? IGN again? The last time Scott mentioned Alien 5 he seemed eager to get it going and even mentioned a 2017 release date.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2015, 09:56:44 AM
Scott isn't saying no to Neil Bloomkamp's alien, however Scott wants to rein in the franchise and be in control of the grand concept and themes. The whole "got away from him" deal. Basically he has made alien his baby and if NB wants to play he can but it'll be by Ridley's rules. Which I think is fair and overall a good idea. That's the way I see it anyways.
Except Scott isn't the George Lucas of the Alien franchise. He doesn't own the IP nor has he funded any of the films himself. He got the original Alien gig because the previous six directors attached to the project had all dropped out. Although he certainly had a major influence on the look of the final film it wasn't his brainchild to begin with.
Looking back at Prometheus, there were instances where Scott had to capitulate to studio interference. Granted, he would have a little bit more influence and authority than most other directors with regards to this particular IP but for good or for worse, it's a bunch of suits in a boardroom that's ultimately calling all the shots with regards to the future of the Alien franchise.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 18, 2015, 11:19:27 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 18, 2015, 08:14:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 18, 2015, 02:01:45 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 17, 2015, 04:34:37 AM
Ridley says he isnt letting Alien 'get away from him again.'
...So we're not getting Alien 5 until all the Prometheus sequels are done?
I'm sorry but... that just displeases me. I really hope that isn't the case.
He didn't say that. Unless someone can provide me with a source, he said it would be Prometheus 2 first and then Alien 5. I can't remember seeing anything that said he would make it wait until he was done with Prometheus.
Indeed, where did this nonsense get started? IGN again? The last time Scott mentioned Alien 5 he seemed eager to get it going and even mentioned a 2017 release date.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2015, 09:56:44 AM
Scott isn't saying no to Neil Bloomkamp's alien, however Scott wants to rein in the franchise and be in control of the grand concept and themes. The whole "got away from him" deal. Basically he has made alien his baby and if NB wants to play he can but it'll be by Ridley's rules. Which I think is fair and overall a good idea. That's the way I see it anyways.
Except Scott isn't the George Lucas of the Alien franchise. He doesn't own the IP nor has he funded any of the films himself. He got the original Alien gig because the previous six directors attached to the project had all dropped out. Although he certainly had a major influence on the look of the final film it wasn't his brainchild to begin with.
Looking back at Prometheus, there were instances where Scott had to capitulate to studio interference. Granted, he would have a little bit more influence and authority than most other directors with regards to this particular IP but for good or for worse, it's a bunch of suits in a boardroom that's ultimately calling all the shots with regards to the future of the Alien franchise.
True but he does yield a tremendous amount of influence and has the desire and experience to pull it off. Although I always wondered about them "suits", surely some of them have to be fans of Alien. Although for a moment I was thinking what a George Lucas Alien movie would be like. Actually I can already see Obi Wan complaining to Little Ani about having to deal with a alien infestation.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 18, 2015, 11:19:27 AM
Indeed, where did this nonsense get started? IGN again?
Yup. Bastards.
QuoteExcept Scott isn't the George Lucas of the Alien franchise. He doesn't own the IP nor has he funded any of the films himself. He got the original Alien gig because the previous six directors attached to the project had all dropped out. Although he certainly had a major influence on the look of the final film it wasn't his brainchild to begin with.
Looking back at Prometheus, there were instances where Scott had to capitulate to studio interference. Granted, he would have a little bit more influence and authority than most other directors with regards to this particular IP but for good or for worse, it's a bunch of suits in a boardroom that's ultimately calling all the shots with regards to the future of the Alien franchise.
I think Scott wields more power than we think. At the end of the day, Fox made him come back for Prometheus. It was originally supposed to be someone called Carl Rinch (sp?) but Fox demanded Ridley do it so whilst he doesn't own the IP, he certainly seems to be the one Fox trusts with it.
Well even though, to me any way the movie wasn't an "R" movie he certainty didn't pull that PG-13 bullshit with Prometheus. Which is why above all else I'm hopeful that Covenant will be a hard R movie. In this age you need some cred to get an R rating out of studio execs. I think fox definitely trusts him to run the ship. Which is why I called it his baby. Honestly why not, he has made a lot of great movies. Many of which were panned by critics to only become cult classics and some even far more meaning full than anyone would have imagined. Plus the dude loves epics. Which is what I think this Alien (Prometheus) saga is going.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2015, 11:55:49 AM
Although I always wondered about them "suits", surely some of them have to be fans of Alien.
We're probably getting to a point in time were many of those "suits" would have grown-up with Alien and it's sequels. There certainly seems to be a bit of a revival going on within the franchise with some good quality stuff coming out recently like Alien: Isolation, The Weyland-Yutani Report and many of the new novels.
The current chairman and CEO of Fox also seems to be into science-fiction as I recall an interview where he was unashamedly gushing about all the concept art and stuff currently being made for the Avatar sequels. He is also actively involved with the X Prize foundation.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 18, 2015, 12:31:19 PM
I think Scott wields more power than we think. At the end of the day, Fox made him come back for Prometheus. It was originally supposed to be someone called Carl Rinch (sp?) but Fox demanded Ridley do it so whilst he doesn't own the IP, he certainly seems to be the one Fox trusts with it.
They also knew an Alien film that said; "directed by Ridley Scott" would get more bums in the seats.
I'm not sure there any such things as 'Ridley's rules' exist for the 'Alien' films. From what I remember, the only thing he truly laments about the direction the series went, was that it didn't return to the derelict and demystify how it became like that.
Something which 'Prometheus' didn't really do, either, as it turned out. :)
He can be a gifted artistic visionary (although, not always), but a part of that mentality is being extremely fluid and distracted by the newest ideas which come his way. Even in the post-production interviews for 'Prometheus', it was clear he didn't have anything approaching concrete plans for the direction he wanted the series to head in.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 18, 2015, 12:48:26 PM
They also knew an Alien film that said; "directed by Ridley Scott" would get more bums in the seats.
True enough but "produced by Ridley Scott" would have done the job just as well for the every man.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 18, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
He can be a gifted artistic visionary (although, not always), but a part of that mentality is being extremely fluid and distracted by the newest ideas which come his way. Even in the post-production interviews for 'Prometheus', it was clear he didn't have anything approaching concrete plans for the direction he wanted the series to head in.
That's what happens when he doesn't have a strong creative team around him. :-\
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 18, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
I'm not sure there any such things as 'Ridley's rules' exist for the 'Alien' films. From what I remember, the only thing he truly laments about the direction the series went, was that it didn't return to the derelict and demystify how it became like that.
Something which 'Prometheus' didn't really do, either, as it turned out. :)
He can be a gifted artistic visionary (although, not always), but a part of that mentality is being extremely fluid and distracted by the newest ideas which come his way. Even in the post-production interviews for 'Prometheus', it was clear he didn't have anything approaching concrete plans for the direction he wanted the series to head in.
That "space jockey, who was that" was the excuse he reasoned to do Prometheus in the first place. However now I think he has grabbed the bull by the horns, so to speak. He also thought the alien creature was over and done with but now I think he realizes that it isn't done. That or the studio execs told him to put Alien in the title or otherwise: no money. :P Prometheus never really had a clear vision, thus why we got what we got but I have faith that he will not repeat the same mistakes the second go round.
Hopefully someone gives Ridley a good hard push this time. :)
To be fair to him, Scott has wanted to explore the Jockey since Alien.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2015, 09:56:44 AM
Scott isn't saying no to Neil Bloomkamp's alien, however Scott wants to rein in the franchise and be in control of the grand concept and themes. The whole "got away from him" deal. Basically he has made alien his baby and if NB wants to play he can but it'll be by Ridley's rules. Which I think is fair and overall a good idea. That's the way I see it anyways.
At this point, as much as I love the idea of seeing Sigourney return as Ripley and long to see a proper ending to her story, I think we can all agree having one person spearhead the franchise as a Producer is what we need, so we don't end up with the mess we have.
I imagine Ridley really kicks himself in the ass for dropping the ball on A5 when they went ahead with AVP. Even more so than when he didn't cling to it for ALIENS.
One thing is certain with Scott on board, he will consistently bring quality production values to the series, that was largely missing from A:R through AVP-R. Say what you want about PROMETHEUS but the grandeur, and vastness of the Alien universe was restored. In doing that, it was unquestionably a success.
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 18, 2015, 03:54:53 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2015, 09:56:44 AM
Scott isn't saying no to Neil Bloomkamp's alien, however Scott wants to rein in the franchise and be in control of the grand concept and themes. The whole "got away from him" deal. Basically he has made alien his baby and if NB wants to play he can but it'll be by Ridley's rules. Which I think is fair and overall a good idea. That's the way I see it anyways.
At this point, as much as I love the idea of seeing Sigourney return as Ripley and long to see a proper ending to her story, I think we can all agree having one person spearhead the franchise as a Producer is what we need, so we don't end up with the mess we have.
I imagine Ridley really kicks himself in the ass for dropping the ball on A5 when they went ahead with AVP. Even more so than when he didn't cling to it for ALIENS.
One thing is certain with Scott on board, he will consistently bring quality production values to the series, that was largely missing from A:R through AVP-R. Say what you want about PROMETHEUS but the grandeur, and vastness of the Alien universe was restored. In doing that, it was unquestionably a success.
I agree for the most part. A:R attempted the grandeur that you speak of but fell short.
And from the looks of The Martian maybe Scott has gotten his groove back. I don't blame him either, remember this his close brother committed suicide not too long ago.
I do hope that we get to explore Noomi's character, Shaw. Something tells me that Covenant may actually take place farther ahead than we think. Maybe the third movie will take place between Prometheus and Covenant and will focus heavily on what happens with Shaw and David.
Also is there any confirmation that the David in Covenant is the same android from Prometheus?
Really great news, I am eager to know the cast. Synopsis is attractive and mysterious ...
Ok this might not be the direction I hoped for the continuation of Prometheus, but return to the Alien franchise can be interesting.
Superb idea not to mention Shaw in the synopsis. Obviously that Noomi Rapace will be in the movie but it promises great moment between David and Shaw.
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Nov 18, 2015, 08:29:00 PM
Also is there any confirmation that the David in Covenant is the same android from Prometheus?
Yes, the synopses pretty much spells it out.
QuoteBound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.
Sucks we have to wait almost 2 years for it to come out.
To point about Scott wielding too much power and needing a strong creative team around him to get the best results, this was pretty much relayed to me verbatim by someone that worked on Prometheus.
Too many people too keen to tickle his tummy!
The move to explain the Xeno's origins - and potentially a return to that hard, R rated world of the original - is a smart move. However, if Shaw goes on to become the original Space Jockey, I will hunt Scott down and punch him right between his eyes! ;D
The October release date is also potentially good news - being this close to Halloween might indicate a rachetting up of the terror / horror levels.
Fingers crossed! It's going to be a long two years!
Quote from: DaveT937 on Nov 19, 2015, 09:16:08 AM
To point about Scott wielding too much power and needing a strong creative team around him to get the best results, this was pretty much relayed to me verbatim by someone that worked on Prometheus.
Too many people too keen to tickle his tummy!
The move to explain the Xeno's origins - and potentially a return to that hard, R rated world of the original - is a smart move. However, if Shaw goes on to become the original Space Jockey, I will hunt Scott down and punch him right between his eyes! ;D
The October release date is also potentially good news - being this close to Halloween might indicate a rachetting up of the terror / horror levels.
Fingers crossed! It's going to be a long two years!
You know someone who worked on Prometheus ?? Wow nice.
Quote from: Bulldawg on Nov 19, 2015, 12:53:50 AM
Sucks we have to wait almost 2 years for it to come out.
I don't mind waiting. I'd rather wait than have a rushed piece.
Quote from: DaveT937 on Nov 19, 2015, 09:16:08 AM
To point about Scott wielding too much power and needing a strong creative team around him to get the best results, this was pretty much relayed to me verbatim by someone that worked on Prometheus.
Too many people too keen to tickle his tummy!
Exactly. People need to stand up and call him out on bad ideas.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 19, 2015, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: Bulldawg on Nov 19, 2015, 12:53:50 AM
Sucks we have to wait almost 2 years for it to come out.
I don't mind waiting. I'd rather wait than have a rushed piece.
Quote from: DaveT937 on Nov 19, 2015, 09:16:08 AM
To point about Scott wielding too much power and needing a strong creative team around him to get the best results, this was pretty much relayed to me verbatim by someone that worked on Prometheus.
Too many people too keen to tickle his tummy!
Exactly. People need to stand up and call him out on bad ideas.
Its like that ?? I'll never understand life.
Quote from: DaveT937 on Nov 19, 2015, 09:16:08 AM
Too many people too keen to tickle his tummy!
That just gave me a really disturbing image lmao
It was just a relative 'grunt', who worked in the production side.
Agreed re: corporal's sentiments. He does need to be challenged. Seems like Fox has reined him in this time, which I think is good news.
Well here come another terrible movie from Scott ......
@darkvegett0...yeah terrible, like how the Martian was terrible eh? Concluding that'll it'll be terrible before it's even released is a non-sequitur.
I tend to air on the side of caution myself but let's not judge it too much before hand. There is literally barely anything to judge it on yet.
I'll wait to see how it turns out of course but my expectations are low and cautious.
Ridley is developing this, while The Martian was handed to him. Movies he's developed haven't turned out too well in recent years.
This "Covenant" synopsis looks like Scott is simply going to do ONCE AGAIN the same plot from all the Alien films he has directed. What a bummer =(
Quote from: Magegg on Nov 22, 2015, 05:40:47 PM
This "Covenant" synopsis looks like Scott is simply going to do ONCE AGAIN the same plot from all the Alien films he has directed. What a bummer =(
What do you mean? This film will likely have a MUCH larger cast than any other Scott ALIEN film.
If anything it will likely be much different than ALIEN and PROMETHEUS.
I'm sure most fans agree that this movie should not have Alien in the title. But it's understandable if it's only there because Scott doesn't want blomkamps fan fiction to overshadow his movie as he's very competitive. I for one am happy with the 4 Alien movies we have because, as Prometheus implies, the xenos are only weapons of the engineers. We know what their capable of and we know what they are. Just like we know what a nuclear bomb is and what it can do. I say no more movies about the weapons and more on the creators and what their intentions are by using these weapons. And also what other older and newer weapons were conceived before and after the xeno model.
Hell yea it should have Alien in the title. It's an alien movie taking place in the alien universe. Although I agree that this series should focus on the space jockey err engineers. I would like to think that the alien is a naturally occurring creature that was perhaps misused by the engineers or experimented with. Although who knows really. I hope there are more types of aliens and even a god like entity too. However I want there to be an actual pay off and not just another movie. Never the less Ridley's goal with Prometheus was to explain what was inside of that suit; which I wish wasn't ruined in the damn trailer. This movies goal is show us what the engineers are I think.
It is an Alien film in that it's set in the same universe as Alien. And we don't know if it will have Aliens in it or not yet. The title would imply they do. That said, they could expand the meaning to mean more than just the Aliens to aliens.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2015, 08:37:14 AM
It is an Alien film in that it's set in the same universe as Alien. And we don't know if it will have Aliens in it or not yet. The title would imply they do. That said, they could expand the meaning to mean more than just the Aliens to aliens.
And this is why the creature needs an actual name. Xenomorph works for me but for "reasons" it never got traction. We should set up a contest and call it "Name the Alien". Settle this debate once and for all. :laugh:
Honestly though, Alien has to mean "the Aliens". I mean it has too. Right?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 23, 2015, 12:34:59 PM
Honestly though, Alien has to mean "the Aliens". I mean it has too. Right?
Depends if they're trying to be smart about it. They could try and it infer it to also mean the Engineers or even us.
What if its about a Yutani group with 5 androids onboard all looking like Vasquez, talking trash all the time.
"we go out with a bang" "pendejo" "you are no man" "i never liked you" "are my tortillas ready" "i have never been mistaken for a man" "no have you" "you ever got your shit pushed in homesssssssss" "wolfie is just fine" "i am the legal guardian of your thesis if its provided correct" "i never liked you Gorlami"
Imagine 5 of those android bitches talking all the way like that every second.
The movie comes out the same as Disney's Jungle Book film. Fox first release Prometheus on the same week as Madagascar 3 and the movie didn't make it to #1 at the box office opening week. Kids films are always do better then R rated films expect for 22nd Jump Street being released on the same week as How To Train Your Dragon 2.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2015, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 23, 2015, 12:34:59 PM
Honestly though, Alien has to mean "the Aliens". I mean it has too. Right?
Depends if they're trying to be smart about it. They could try and it infer it to also mean the Engineers or even us.
Ah shit this is ancient astronaut territory... well as long as people didn't make the alien. Of course it'll be people who made it to combat the engineers. f**k
I have to admit that some of the ideas being put forth here of worst case scenarios are pretty bad. And yet this is how the story might go. If it turns out that humans created the aliens, then that will be one mindf*ck. This film can really easily go sideways. Be afraid. Be very afraid. You almost have to lower your expectations for this to be good.
I'm actually more interested from Blomkamp's flim..
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 23, 2015, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2015, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 23, 2015, 12:34:59 PM
Honestly though, Alien has to mean "the Aliens". I mean it has too. Right?
Depends if they're trying to be smart about it. They could try and it infer it to also mean the Engineers or even us.
Ah shit this is ancient astronaut territory... well as long as people didn't make the alien. Of course it'll be people who made it to combat the engineers. f**k
Hadn't really thought of it that way around. I certainly hope mankind doesn't end up creating the Aliens. I can get by with Engineer's doing it but not mankind.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 24, 2015, 08:51:19 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 23, 2015, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2015, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 23, 2015, 12:34:59 PM
Honestly though, Alien has to mean "the Aliens". I mean it has too. Right?
Depends if they're trying to be smart about it. They could try and it infer it to also mean the Engineers or even us.
Ah shit this is ancient astronaut territory... well as long as people didn't make the alien. Of course it'll be people who made it to combat the engineers. f**k
Hadn't really thought of it that way around. I certainly hope mankind doesn't end up creating the Aliens. I can get by with Engineer's doing it but not mankind.
I know exactly how you feel. There's lots of things I can put up with but the one thing in alien that I can't; is if we actually made them. Even by accident. Though I don't actually think that will happen since Scott has said it's a movie about the engineers and why
they would make such awful weapons.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 23, 2015, 10:22:47 PM
I have to admit that some of the ideas being put forth here of worst case scenarios are pretty bad. And yet this is how the story might go. If it turns out that humans created the aliens, then that will be one mindf*ck. This film can really easily go sideways. Be afraid. Be very afraid. You almost have to lower your expectations for this to be good.
I'm actually more interested from Blomkamp's flim..
Is this possible though? I mean, the murals in Prometheus depict the xenomorph... Unless the humans created the xenomorph thousands of years prior.
Im getting the feeling that David will create the Xeno we know, possibly in this film, but I think the idea may be that it has been made before and used as a weapon. I'm also getting the idea that when Scott says we will, at the end of the trilogy, know why that ship is there on LV426 and how and why and etc,.. Im thinking he doesn't necessarily mean, we will see it happen but maybe just find out what happened to get it there, thousands of years prior. - I hope thats the case anyway!
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 28, 2015, 11:40:39 PM
Is this possible though? I mean, the murals in Prometheus depict the xenomorph... Unless the humans created the xenomorph thousands of years prior.
It looked more like the Deacon than an Alien to me. I know they're quite obviously linked in some fashion but it didn't seem to the be the Alien as we know it.
QuoteIm getting the feeling that David will create the Xeno we know, possibly in this film, but I think the idea may be that it has been made before and used as a weapon.
This would be the last thing I want to see.
For those who don't want to wait till October 2017 to see Alien: Covenant, Cineworld will be screening the film in little over 2 months time.
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I imagine they will probably have a live feed to Sydney so that they can screen it while they're busy filming it. ;)
That or a time machine.
;D I'm sure there was a time when Cineworld had the release up for this November just gone. :laugh:
:laugh: that's perfect hahahaha
Quote from: Beatnation on Nov 16, 2015, 06:06:31 PM
Still 100% better than the stupid wet dream fanfiction Blomhack wanted to make.
Pretty much. Lol.
Alien:Isolation <=== Same "Creation" Looks identical to the game art, font styling, etc..
Soooooooo what about the Cinefilm screening?
For some reason or another I was under the impression the release date was in February. Incredibly dismayed to learn we're still over a year away! I wonder when we'll start seeing footage. They'd be wise to get a trailer in front of Rogue One, if possible.
Sure to be a thriller. I wonder how the Xenomorphs escape and take over after Prometheus - Leave it to Giger...
I'm definitely still stoked about this movie! Seems like they're still on the the right tack.
Wouldn't it be beyond epic if the movie opens up the same way Alien does?
Then you'd have folk complaining about it being a copy. I'm against homages myself but something like that wouldn't bother me.
Yeah honestly who cares, I'd love for all the Ridley-verse films to open up the same, establishes a continuity, different coloured hues for each though.
It'd be epic if the movie did its own thing. I for one can't wait to have an Alien film with such an epic scope.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 19, 2016, 03:20:52 PM
It'd be epic if the movie did its own thing. I for one can't wait to have an Alien film with such an epic scope.
Well Considering Jerry Goldsmith died, And he was Ridley's go to guy for majority of his movies.
Ok.
Quote from: Guts on Aug 20, 2016, 06:46:43 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Aug 19, 2016, 03:20:52 PM
It'd be epic if the movie did its own thing. I for one can't wait to have an Alien film with such an epic scope.
Well Considering Jerry Goldsmith died, And he was Ridley's go to guy for majority of his movies.
Not sure what point you're trying to make here? Was there some misunderstanding? Bishop said scope, not score.
Scope, not score, Guts.
And Goldsmith was not Ridley's go-to guy, nor did he have a monopoly on epic scores.
Goldsmith was quite unhappy with his work on Alien - as the work he did for Alien wasn't used. I think they only worked together once after that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2016, 07:45:30 AM
Goldsmith was quite unhappy with his work on Alien - as the work he did for Alien wasn't used. I think they only worked together once after that.
He did the score to Legend... which was replaced by music from the group Tangerine Dream for the movie's US premiere. Poor guy could never catch a break with Ridley Scott films. :(
I think the first Prometheus trailer dropped around Christmas for a June release.
Do you reckon Christmas it too early for an Alien Covenant trailer with an August release?
From what I've heard, it maybe possible for a pull forward from that release. It's going well apparently. Personally I'm expecting November/December/January time for a trailer.
The movie is done, so i think December will be a easy target for a trailer,
all we need to hope is that its gonna be a two minute trailer and not just the logo popping out of the universe.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2016, 07:26:32 AM
From what I've heard, it maybe possible for a pull forward from that release. It's going well apparently. Personally I'm expecting November/December/January time for a trailer.
I've got a hunch it's going to be November or December for the teaser.
When you say "possible for a pull forward" do you mean for the actual release of the movie?
Quote from: SuicideDoors on Aug 31, 2016, 10:32:15 AM
When you say "possible for a pull forward" do you mean for the actual release of the movie?
That's what I mean.
Quote from: Infected on Aug 31, 2016, 09:16:15 AM
The movie is done, so i think December will be a easy target for a trailer,
:D No, it isn't. Not by a long shot, although they should have enough finished material for a short teaser or trailer by that time.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2016, 07:26:32 AM
From what I've heard, it maybe possible for a pull forward from that release. It's going well apparently. Personally I'm expecting November/December/January time for a trailer.
I suppose the rescheduling of Alien: Covenant's release will depend a lot on what else is scheduled and for what slot next year. They sometimes tend to shuffle release dates about to get the best possible release window with the minimum amount of competition. Do you perhaps know what other major films are currently scheduled for release close to Covenant?
That said, I doubt we'd see anything in November or December. The holiday period is going to be over-saturated with Star Wars trailers and hype again this year so January would probably be a better bet.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2016, 10:34:31 AM
Quote from: SuicideDoors on Aug 31, 2016, 10:32:15 AM
When you say "possible for a pull forward" do you mean for the actual release of the movie?
That's what I mean.
Exciting!
The only thing about January is that its superbowl popcorn movie trailer territory. I feel like the alien films deserve their own spot.
Heck, I'd be happy either way to get a trailer at some point.
Deserve? Lol that doesn't make any sense. Studios that want their tentpoles to be seen will make sure they get a Super Bowl spot.
August isn't great month for horror movie release. End of February or end of Mars seems to be a good period and interesting opportunity !!
Quote from: Stolen on Aug 31, 2016, 05:16:50 PM
August isn't great month for horror movie release. End of February or end of Mars seems to be a good period and interesting opportunity !!
I've never been to the end of Mars!! :D
how soon will we get a trailer
I'm expecting within the next 2 or 3 months.
New Star Wars, Predator, Aliens, Star Trek....they're hitting us with all of it these days
SURPRISE! The movie got moved up to May 19th! Teaser poster included in annoucement!
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Source: https://twitter.com/20thcenturyfox/status/801561857475493888 (https://twitter.com/20thcenturyfox/status/801561857475493888)
So the teaser is coming with Rouge One? IT must be, since the movie is out in May.
I dont think thel show an R rated movie with a pg Disney one. What big fox films are starting around then?
PG13*
The showed Star Trek Beyond with The Force Awakens since JJ Abrams worked on both.
Perhaps as a friendly gesture between Disneey and Fox, they'll show a trailer for Covenant because Fox has also worked on both.
Just a heads up - and not sure if you guys know about some of these helpful distribution sites, but when the Hobbit was ramping up with a teaser, AFR posted updates at least 1-2 weeks out. May be helpful to watch this site closely through Dec:
http://www.albertafilmratings.ca/recentclasstrailers.aspx
I've got a few bookmarked to check daily. :)
* Small confirmed info.
Ridley demanded rehearsals for the Alien:Covenant... so actors rehearsed their scenes from 18th of March.
Apparently, the script is great... and this one will indeed bring shine to the franchise. Thats why Ridley also
demanded a thorough script revisions and improvements from John Logan.
Quote from: Enoch on Nov 29, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
* Small confirmed info.
Ridley demanded rehearsals for the Alien:Covenant... so actors rehearsed their scenes from 18th of March.
Apparently, the script is great... and this one will indeed bring shine to the franchise. Thats why Ridley also
demanded a thorough script revisions and improvements from John Logan.
Link??
https://aiealumni.com/ridleys-opus-prometheus-trilogy-in-production-at-fox-studios/
Old info but recently confirmed again!
Quote from: Enoch on Nov 29, 2016, 06:18:05 PM
https://aiealumni.com/ridleys-opus-prometheus-trilogy-in-production-at-fox-studios/
Old info but recently confirmed again!
Thanks! 8)
Quote from: Enoch on Nov 29, 2016, 06:18:05 PM
https://aiealumni.com/ridleys-opus-prometheus-trilogy-in-production-at-fox-studios/
Old info but recently confirmed again!
Not come across that one before. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Enoch on Nov 29, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
* Small confirmed info.
Ridley demanded rehearsals for the Alien:Covenant... so actors rehearsed their scenes from 18th of March.
Apparently, the script is great... and this one will indeed bring shine to the franchise. Thats why Ridley also
demanded a thorough script revisions and improvements from John Logan.
Sounds good. Generally speaking Ridley doesn't do rehearsals. He goes with the flow. Demanding rehearsals means he wants to do it as good as possible. Script is great? I trust you :).
Just to notify, I don't know if it's been done but, "Le Grand Rex" theater in France has a premiere May the 8th for Alien covenant with a marathon going all day with all 4 aliens films ending with covenant starting at 9pm to 11:30pm (UTC +1)
Quote from: Le Celticant on Apr 13, 2017, 06:23:32 PM
Just to notify, I don't know if it's been done but, "Le Grand Rex" theater in France has a premiere May the 8th for Alien covenant with a marathon going all day with all 4 aliens films ending with covenant starting at 9pm to 11:30pm (UTC +1)
I can't imagine sitting through Resurrection before Covenant starts...
Not Alien 3 or Resurrection on this marathon. Alien, Aliens, Prometheus and Covenant.
Quote from: Stolen on Apr 13, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
Not Alien 3 or Resurrection on this marathon. Alien, Aliens, Prometheus and Covenant.
Great! Sorry, I misread.
I might skip over the border to France, see the movie early and skip back.
Is this a typo?? Found it on scified??
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Is this a typo?? Found it on scified??
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http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53507.msg2199632#msg2199632
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2017, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 20, 2017, 01:19:59 PM
Is this a typo?? Found it on scified??
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http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53507.msg2199632#msg2199632
I asked if it was legit?? ;)
Pointing to the existing answers to that question. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2017, 01:57:21 PM
Pointing to the existing answers to that question. :)
Yeah figured it was BS!! :laugh:
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 20, 2017, 01:19:59 PM
Is this a typo?? Found it on scified??
there's your problem right there.
if i was you, i'd run as far away from that place as possible and never look back.
In Ukraine, a special show will be held on May 7
http://comiccon.kiev.ua/pershij-pokaz-fil-mu-chuzhij-zapovit-na-kyiv-comic-con/