Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED

Started by Nukiemorph, Dec 10, 2020, 11:03:29 PM

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Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED (Read 210,738 times)

RidgeTop

RidgeTop

#1065
Le sigh, I typically steer clear of politics here on the forum, but I guess that's not going to be avoided now that both Alien and Predator are having accusations of "get woke, go broke!" thrown at them.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
Man, I wish I'd have saved his tweet. But to quote Tristan Jones - "Alien was never f**king asleep".

And he's right. I think the documentary 'Memory: The Origins of Alien' illustrated all of the complex themes that were included in the original film, though yes some of the analysis did reach a bit.

In a modern context (and more so a future one) corporate behavior and capitalism are intrinsically tied.

Just because Hawley wants to examine themes of wealth inequality, an issue that people of varying political ideologies are polled as being increasingly concerned about, doesn't mean he's going to turn to the audience and go: "the answer of course is communism!"

Economic inequality is a defining issue of our time, one can be pro-capitalism and still deeply concerned about this modern issue, especially given the rise of automation coupled with population expansion. If all the wealth is funneled to the top (mega-corporations, wealthy elite), and the top hordes all the wealth, capitalism doesn't keep on working too well now does it?

If one would like to see a good introduction to the problems of economic inequality (and the concept's name doesn't mean economics should be entirely equal as a solution), I recommend checking out this video:

Spoiler

I do think this theme is ripe for exploration in the world of Alien, and I highly doubt Hawley's social commentary will be as simple as "Socialism Good, Capitalism Bad." Nuance is a thing.

I'm tired of all these anti-SJW channels grifting on this constant outrage where they take a single line from an interview or that a woman will be taking on a Predator and condemn something completely that they know nothing about yet. They're doing the exact thing they accuse the SJW's of: "You can't do this, that's woke, keep politics out of my entertainment! You're ruining my childhood!" is completely akin to "You can't do that, that's insensitive, doesn't have enough representation, is offensive!" It's just a double-standard against the free-expression they claim to support. It's true that sometimes politics in modern media can be handled in a clumsy and patronizing way, but that doesn't mean everything should be written off as woke or too political before we've had a chance to evaluate it. And it doesn't mean the topic should always be avoided because: "We're trying to escape from all the politics in real life!"

But if there is a silver lining about the complaints and retorts to it... Alien is trending, people are talking about it.

Hanzo Hasashi

Hanzo Hasashi

#1066
Welp, sincerely hope it focuses on good sci-fi storytelling and veers as far away from biased political messaging as possible.

One can still hope, even if the odds are low.

Nightmare Asylum

Quote from: Hanzo Hasashi on Jul 03, 2021, 12:14:47 AM
Welp, sincerely hope it focuses on good sci-fi storytelling and veers as far away from biased political messaging as possible.

One can still hope, even if the odds are low.

But... the vast majority of good sci-fi storytelling veers towards political messaging (with whatever biases the person telling the story holds because they are, ya know, the ones telling the story). :D

I'd be curious what you - or anyone with this mentality - considers to be good non-political science-fiction, 'cause I can almost guarantee anything you'd end up listing is going to be inherently political at its very core. Alien most certainly is.

Baron Von Marlon

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
Wait what? The political stance/analogy/aspirations of a film, what it is actually saying in conjunction with the "proper cast, a good script with well written dialogue" is a a major contributing factor in what actually makes a movie good. It is literally baked into that "good script" you're citing.

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
I care more about the other things than a possible political stance they're trying to make.
You know how the average viewer regards Aliens? As a a great action-horror. Few besides the people here make the Vietnam war connection.
Point: people can like something without caring or even noticing the message a movie's trying to convey.

Nightmare Asylum

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 03:00:06 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
Wait what? The political stance/analogy/aspirations of a film, what it is actually saying in conjunction with the "proper cast, a good script with well written dialogue" is a a major contributing factor in what actually makes a movie good. It is literally baked into that "good script" you're citing.

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
I care more about the other things than a possible political stance they're trying to make.
You know how the average viewer regards Aliens? As a a great action-horror. Few besides the people here make the Vietnam war connection.
Point: people can like something without caring or even noticing the message a movie's trying to convey.

And yet, the political angle is still there and the film doesn't function without it.

Without Weyland-Yutani colonizing LV-426 and then subsequently having Ripley and the USCM go down there with Burke as he seeks to exploit his companions and let them all die in order to bring back an Alien specimen for the corporation's gain and his own financial prospects, I don't think there's much of a film there, huh?

Baron Von Marlon

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 03:19:59 AM

And yet, the political angle is still there and the film doesn't function without it.

Without Weyland-Yutani colonizing LV-426 and then subsequently having Ripley and the USCM go down there with Burke as he seeks to exploit his companions and let them all die in order to bring back an Alien specimen for the corporation's gain and his own financial prospects, I don't think there's much of a film there, huh?

Congratulations for stating something I never mentioned or denied.

RidgeTop

These are hot topics but let's keep the debates free of personal snipes, please.

SiL

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 03:00:06 AM

Point: people can like something without caring or even noticing the message a movie's trying to convey.
True, but acting like the message was never there and that having a message is somehow new and undesirable is asinine. Likewise those acting as though the series is doomed to poorly handle its message without seeing a frame.

Neither comment is aimed at you specifically, but that's what we're dealing with

Baron Von Marlon

Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 05:20:25 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 03:00:06 AM

Point: people can like something without caring or even noticing the message a movie's trying to convey.
True, but acting like the message was never there and that having a message is somehow new and undesirable is asinine. Likewise those acting as though the series is doomed to poorly handle its message without seeing a frame.

Neither comment is aimed at you specifically, but that's what we're dealing with

If it's not aimed at me, why quote me and not direct your comment at those who actually said the things you mentioned.

Kradan


Necronomicon II

A grungy corporate aesthetic on earth would be sweet, juxtaposed with claustrophobic crew expeditions the company send out. I'm reserving judgement until release.

SiL

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 05:25:05 AM

If it's not aimed at me, why quote me and not direct your comment at those who actually said the things you mentioned.
Because it's the point of the person you're talking to that you don't seem to be grasping. People can like the films for whatever reasons, nobody's denying that. But the political messages have driven their plots since day one whether people are aware or like it or not, and them now complaining about the series continuing in the same theme is stupid.

Baron Von Marlon

Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 06:38:28 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 05:25:05 AM

If it's not aimed at me, why quote me and not direct your comment at those who actually said the things you mentioned.
Because it's the point of the person you're talking to that you don't seem to be grasping. People can like the films for whatever reasons, nobody's denying that. But the political messages have driven their plots since day one whether people are aware or like it or not, and them now complaining about the series continuing in the same theme is stupid.

So it's aimed at me.

I can't grasp it? What can't I grasp exactly? I never denied any of the political themes in the franchise. Nor was I complaining about them.

So how about you quit acting allmighty and condescending.
Or just put me on ignore if you don't like what you imagined I said.

j0nesy

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 10:26:13 PM
https://untappd.akamaized.net/photo/2015_05_27/d881290636b64d5c088a4807604afca8_320x320.jpg

Can't wait to be drinking my Amazon-brand beer on an Amazon-owned spaceship while being rerouted to my death so that Amazon can make a few extra bucks and fuel their bio-weapons division for years to come!

They'll probably have me peeing in a bottle or something, too.

if only the series was happening on amazon prime ;)

TomT

TomT

#1079
Quote from: SiL on Jul 02, 2021, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
Can you tell me what is subtle about "That damn corporation! What about our lifes!" or "Crew expandable"? Where is the undertone in "I don't know which species is worse"?
All that stuff makes sense in the context of those stories, situations and movie's universe, that's it. And the same time it's all background/secondary stuff, those movies weren't deep explorations of anti-capitalism or socialism, c'mon.
And this might not be either, but for whatever reason you've made up your mind to tilt at windmills.
I've made up my mind as soon as I heard about TV show that takes place on Earth in the near future.

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