I won't profess myself to be some genius and I may be completely wrong, but has anyone noticed this about the new facehugger design?
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1525/avprhuggerog7.jpg
It looks like a Queen facehugger due to the webbing in between the digits and the armored impression, but it has an odd speckled on pattern all around as if it were connected to this movie's PredAlien. If you've been keeping up with the Jones' as it were, you might have heard that they're introducing something new to the life cycle. Is this it...a PredAlien version of the Queen facehugger?
If this is the case it might explain why the PredAlien/Chet looks like a Queen yet definitely has Predator traits at the same time. Maybe this mystery facehugger is an intentionally created hybrid.
EDIT: Thinking about it now...does that also explain the pink bits? Maybe it literally has something either underneath or in front that references the Predator's mouth.
I think that the facehuggers will be able to keep planting embryos in humans and whatever else as much as they want until there killed....that'd wouldn't be enitrely unbelievable.
- I like that better then making Chet like a Queen or whatever.
I think the Predalien is already alive when the movie starts because it kills off all the preds on the scout ship.
I think that facehugger is just a different design.
But you do raise some good questions.
Quote from: PatrinAVP11 on Oct 17, 2007, 10:08:50 PM
I think that the facehuggers will be able to keep planting embryos in humans and whatever else as much as they want until there killed....that'd wouldn't be enitrely unbelievable.
- I like that better then making Chet like a Queen or whatever.
Well, maybe the facehuggers have been genetically modified by the predators. Maybe the pink spot is the wound from some kind of injection, that is healing up. However i doubt this is the case, but just throwing it out there in terms of possiblities.
There's no webbing between the fingers, no armour over the sacks, and it's nowhere near as large.
It does not have one if it`s legs, and those colors are it`s wound. I don`t mind seeing super facehugger, but the one that is not dieing afere implantations would be even "Hyper facehugger". To far away from canon.
It looks nothing like the "Queen facehugger design" im afraid. It is the exact same hugger design from all previous ADI work from the alien films - except they have given it a more darker tone with slight highlights. It is just the same design and pulled from the same mold.
Bri :)
Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 10:10:38 PM
I think the Predalien is already alive when the movie starts because it kills off all the preds on the scout ship.
If the crash kills off everything save a Pred that can send out a distress signal, then that wouldn't be an issue. It would just mean that the PredAlien at the beginning might not be the same one we see later. We know that the Strause's have re-written the script, and the test tubes seem to infer that the Preds have a specific intention to create a controlled infestation like in the comics. Maybe this facehugger survives, implants the older male with a PredAlien embryo, and then we get another. The only messy thing I can think of is how Chet could create pure Aliens being a hybrid and all.
It'd explain a lot- why Chet is a Queen, as well as why it looks more like a crossbred Alien than the normal mostly-pure variety.
QuoteThere's no webbing between the fingers,
I would implore you to click on the pic so as to magnify it and check again. I can clearly see brown membrane there covering our view of the hunter's flesh-toned skin on the left side of the pic.
Quoteno armour over the sacks, and it's nowhere near as large.
Two things- if it's a hybrid, it won't look the same; the second is that ADI is notorious for updating their designs after the fact.
Another EDIT: the hunter doesn't seem to be cocooned which would suggest there's an absence of an adult Alien, so perhaps this is like AVP in that it just bursts out once he comes to while still in the open woods.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Oct 17, 2007, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 10:10:38 PM
I think the Predalien is already alive when the movie starts because it kills off all the preds on the scout ship.
If the crash kills off everything save a Pred that can send out a distress signal, then that wouldn't be an issue. It would just mean that the PredAlien at the beginning might not be the same one we see later. We know that the Strause's have re-written the script, and the test tubes seem to infer that the Preds have a specific intention to create a controlled infestation like in the comics. Maybe this facehugger survives, implants the older male with a PredAlien embryo, and then we get another. The only messy thing I can think of is how Chet could create pure Aliens being a hybrid and all.
It'd explain a lot- why Chet is a Queen, as well as why it looks more like a crossbred Alien than the normal mostly-pure variety.
QuoteThere's no webbing between the fingers,
I would implore you to click on the pic so as to magnify it and check again. I can clearly see brown membrane there covering our view of the hunter's flesh-toned skin on the left side of the pic.
Quoteno armour over the sacks, and it's nowhere near as large.
Two things- if it's a hybrid, it won't look the same; the second is that ADI is notorious for updating their designs after the fact.
Another EDIT: the hunter doesn't seem to be cocooned which would suggest there's an absence of an adult Alien, so perhaps this is like AVP in that it just bursts out once he comes to while still in the open woods.
Yeah the fact that he's not cocooned implies the predalien was not around to do so. This makes sense if the predalien is a queen and its laying eggs at this point. I'm sure the two aliens do burst out in the woods and maybe wolf tracks the predalien to the sewer where its nesting but it escapes when the two aliens seen in the sewer in the trailer keep him distracted. So most likely those are the two aliens that burst from the hunter and his son. The chestburster in the green band/population trailer is probably one of the two.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Oct 17, 2007, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 17, 2007, 10:10:38 PM
I think the Predalien is already alive when the movie starts because it kills off all the preds on the scout ship.
If the crash kills off everything save a Pred that can send out a distress signal, then that wouldn't be an issue. It would just mean that the PredAlien at the beginning might not be the same one we see later. We know that the Strause's have re-written the script, and the test tubes seem to infer that the Preds have a specific intention to create a controlled infestation like in the comics. Maybe this facehugger survives, implants the older male with a PredAlien embryo, and then we get another. The only messy thing I can think of is how Chet could create pure Aliens being a hybrid and all.
It'd explain a lot- why Chet is a Queen, as well as why it looks more like a crossbred Alien than the normal mostly-pure variety.
I don't see them having to different Predaliens in the film. But you could be right. It could very well happen.
I have heard rumblings of another Predalien being born through another predator that created the whole mess to begin with. A renegade predator trying to stir up some shit if you will.
But I take that as fan BS!
I love how its the same prop from AVP, the exact, accept with a new paint job.
theres no weebing, the thing that loosk webing its actually facehugger body, the colour makes it look liek weebing tough....
but fingers are only actually begingig after the sayd webing, so doesnt really make sense.......
i like the hybrid idea, in trailer huggers seemed normal
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Oct 17, 2007, 10:23:32 PM
It'd explain a lot- why Chet is a Queen, as well as why it looks more like a crossbred Alien than the normal mostly-pure variety.
There is no Queen, according to the directors. The Predalien just has its own method of reproduction, that's all. The same as the one in '
Alien' seemed to do.
I like two predaliens idea. The one that is "egg bearing not queen predalien" and the second one that is just a warrior, leader to other aliens. Then it would be logical that the one who is dieing on the rooftop of hospital is not Predalein queen Chet, but her general/leader of warriors, and the final battle with Real Boss Chet has not yet been showned to us. But it is just my high expectation that will not happen. ( Now I am going to sleep. Good night)
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Oct 17, 2007, 10:23:32 PM
I would implore you to click on the pic so as to magnify it and check again. I can clearly see brown membrane there covering our view of the hunter's flesh-toned skin on the left side of the pic.
Implore away - You're still wrong. There is very clearly no webbing between the fingers. There are fleshy bits between the bones on the body of the hugger, but between the fingers themselves there's nothing.
^ Your so negative. ;D But your right, it just seems like theres webbing.
How was that being negative?
Well atleast this new facehugger looks 1000 times more real then the avp and the other alien films.
Quote from: Lionhart on Oct 18, 2007, 12:14:46 AM
Well atleast this new facehugger looks 1000 times more real then the avp and the other alien films.
It looks the same as the previous film's, because it is the same, with a new paintjob. It's not as real as previous films, because it isn't clamping right, either by limbs or tail. That breaks the illusion.
but its been said many times xeno, it might not be locked on yet?
Maybe its been a while and the facehugger suspects no danger and loosens up.
Or it's just a rubber facehugger that won't stay on.
I doubt there will be 2 Predaliens. Why introduce the very first Predalien ever, only to have it die at the beginning? It would be dumb.
???Look, I just joined the forums and so far all I've read are a bunch of posts complaining about this or that. What the hell is with you guys and CHANGE? Change is good. The Face Hugger looks fine to me, and so do the rest of the effects. It is just a movie after all. There's only so much you can do before the effects become to real for the films. Not trying to make enemies here but come on, enjoy it for what it is. Thats what I'm doing.
A lot of people have varying opinions and not everyone is going to like what they see. The main problems I have are the bursters and the Predalien. Love that facehugger too.
I'm a supporter of the movie but some of the effects aren't quite up to speed. IMO.
a new color could be based on the idea "a predalien wants to breed". those black points on his legs and tail could be an attempt to bring something from the predator's skin design.
a facehugged person on the photo seems to be the one of two first facehugged - a boy and a man. from the trailers i decided that 2 huggers from the crash-site are the same 2 huggers who attacked a boy and a man in the forest. if it is so - this is a facehugger from the ship. i always had a question "why would comic-yautja (i will never call these stolen creatures "predators") keep facehuggers on a ship, they are stupid but not enough to do this".
but this facehugger could be the first example of predalien-queen-blahblah-child.
born from the egg that a grown-up predalien put on the ship while falling.
sorry if this point of view has beenl discussed already.
QuoteWhat the hell is with you guys and CHANGE? Change is good.
Not automatically.
What the hell is with you and a differing opinion? Most people who voice their disapproval at least attempt to explain why.
Quote from: Tundro on Oct 18, 2007, 01:22:07 AM
Change is good.
;D
And again for good measure.
;D
Change, in and of itself, is not good. In the long sad history of change, we have pretty conclusively determined that change isn't an inherently
good thing. In fact it'd rather point to the opposite by and large.
SM u r jus another h8r. :(
I originally thought the 'hugger was missing a finger because of the angle it was at but then I actually counted the fingers and tilted my head a bit and they're all there. I'm fairly indifferent to the facehugger althought I'm not sure why exactly the colour has been changed. I think the 'hugger design is amazing because it's so simple, it was practically perfert in the original movie.
Change sucks when the change is a bad one. When the Alien goes from looking biomechanical to a fleshy turd, that is a bad change.
I agree on the alien thing. Fleshy turd, lol. That was a bad change. I prefer HR Giger's original Alien and Facehugger design.
As do many. Meaning change isn't always "good".
QuoteSM u r jus another h8r.
Not completely. Mebbe a h7r. I'm with you re: the facehugger. Design is okay (hoping the digitals aren't fused - that'd suck), but the colour's dumb.
It wouldn't be hard to be a step up from the appalling execution of the huggers in AvP where the hosts were still moving while hugged and the huggers themselves looked like they would going to fall off at any moment.
I think the only reason the facehugger is painted blackish is a nod to the queen hugger, BUT its only a regular one, there probally will be a reason why later.
Camo.
Quote from: highlandpred on Oct 18, 2007, 12:27:18 AM
but its been said many times xeno, it might not be locked on yet?
Locked onto the head? We know it is. The preview showed it jumps and clamps down, as it jumps through the air. This is the thing while it's doing its job, because the guy's fallen down and been rendered unconscious.
Locked in the edit? This isn't CGI. They can't really change the obviously loose way that tail isn't wrapped around properly or how there's a lot of thin air between the body and face.
The only saving grace might be that it was a test shot, to measure the lighting, but I doubt the magazine would have incidently been given such pictures.
Quote from: Tundro on Oct 18, 2007, 01:22:07 AM
???Look, I just joined the forums and so far all I've read are a bunch of posts complaining about this or that. What the hell is with you guys and CHANGE? Change is good.
Change does not necessarily = better. :)
When things look obviously fake, I think we should be allowed to say so. The facehugger errors are that much more glaring, because hte CGI ones, in the preview, looked great. The directors were the ones who have made a big thing out of saying they were going to correct this and that about the first film. Facehuggers obviously not... Hugging... Should have been one of those things they were going to fix. Even if the practical models would not have allowed them, there are camera angles which could hide that.
QuoteThe Face Hugger looks fine to me, and so do the rest of the effects. It is just a movie after all. There's only so much you can do before the effects become to real for the films. Not trying to make enemies here but come on, enjoy it for what it is. Thats what I'm doing.
That's why I'm reserving my judgement on the film, as a whole. I like a number of things about it, for the record.
This stuff, however, is basic and nothing to do with any studio interference.
Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 18, 2007, 01:30:39 AM
a new color could be based on the idea "a predalien wants to breed". those black points on his legs and tail could be an attempt to bring something from the predator's skin design.
These are ones which came from the ship. The cracked and smashed stasis tubes strongly imply they were from there.
Quotei always had a question "why would comic-yautja (i will never call these stolen creatures "predators") keep facehuggers on a ship, they are stupid but not enough to do this".
Predators like to hunt stuff. :)
As for the colour, I don't mind so much, because we don't know how long these ones have been in the wild, as it were.
QuoteThese are ones which came form the ship. The cracked and smashed stasis tubes strongly imply they were from there.
i hoped until this last minute that these tubes cannot be considered "keeping boxes". if they are... comicyautja are dumbs )
Quote from: PatrinAVP11 on Oct 17, 2007, 10:08:50 PM
I think that the facehuggers will be able to keep planting embryos in humans and whatever else as much as they want until there killed....that'd wouldn't be enitrely unbelievable.
- I like that better then making Chet like a Queen or whatever.
hey Patrin, what's avp:blodshed director's cut? is that another cut of andersen's movie?
I'm thinking that the new Facehugger design has to do with the fact that they're birthed by the PredAlien. Because if anything it's skin textures and color very much resemble a Predator's.
Quote from: CloakedHunter on Oct 18, 2007, 08:25:25 AM
I'm thinking that the new Facehugger design has to do with the fact that they're birthed by the PredAlien. Because if anything it's skin textures and color very much resemble a Predator's.
This face hugger was from a stasis tube, not the PredAlien.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 18, 2007, 09:03:17 AM
Quote from: CloakedHunter on Oct 18, 2007, 08:25:25 AM
I'm thinking that the new Facehugger design has to do with the fact that they're birthed by the PredAlien. Because if anything it's skin textures and color very much resemble a Predator's.
This face hugger was from a stasis tube, not the PredAlien.
That doesn't necessarily mean those particular Facehuggers didn't come from the PredAlien though.
QuoteIt wouldn't be hard to be a step up from the appalling execution of the huggers in AvP where the hosts were still moving while hugged and the huggers themselves looked like they would going to fall off at any moment.
I dunno, I kind of found that creepy. I imagine experiencing the initial 'face rape' before you fall unconcious would be horrible but regaining conciousness, even for a moment while the thing was still attached would be pretty nasty.
Quote from: CloakedHunter on Oct 18, 2007, 09:12:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 18, 2007, 09:03:17 AM
Quote from: CloakedHunter on Oct 18, 2007, 08:25:25 AM
I'm thinking that the new Facehugger design has to do with the fact that they're birthed by the PredAlien. Because if anything it's skin textures and color very much resemble a Predator's.
This face hugger was from a stasis tube, not the PredAlien.
That doesn't necessarily mean those particular Facehuggers didn't come from the PredAlien though.
yeah it does. The facehugger in the fangoria pic is on the hunter, one of the victims of the two facehuggers held in stasis tubes before the ship crash. (possibly long before) So unless they were layed by a previous predalien queen, this is not possible. The predalien which causes havoc on the ship, surely did not have time to develop an egg-laying tube yet.
Hey... uh, guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that red gash on the 'hugger's nose new anatomy?
http://www.hottoys.com.hk/product.php?cat=59&pid=327
Does it look... kind of... vaginal to anyone else? Granted, this would be keeping with the original alien design asthetic...
hmm. the avp-r facehuggers have vaginas now or so it seems. :D
Maybe its to symbolize how they are f**king with the alien reproductive cycle this time around.
Quote from: Cutch on Nov 26, 2007, 11:52:20 PM
Hey... uh, guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that red gash on the 'hugger's nose new anatomy?
http://www.hottoys.com.hk/product.php?cat=59&pid=327
Does it look... kind of... vaginal to anyone else? Granted, this would be keeping with the original alien design asthetic...
The Facehugger has a cold.
or, like i said, adi just thinks pink is trendy.
Quote from: Cutch on Nov 26, 2007, 11:52:20 PM
Hey... uh, guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that red gash on the 'hugger's nose new anatomy?
http://www.hottoys.com.hk/product.php?cat=59&pid=327
Does it look... kind of... vaginal to anyone else? Granted, this would be keeping with the original alien design asthetic...
yeah wtf is up with that!
I noticed something looked different or seemed different. Its fine with me though. I guess Dany Glovers saying works for the facehuggers now :D
Maybe they spit acid now. ::)
It's been on the facehugger since alien resurrection it just wasn't colored pink until AVP. Now in AVP:R it's brighter pink.
here it is in AVP:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-528
Similar folds of sking have been there since 1979. Why are they pink? No sense of subtlety. Continuously "improving" on something that has never needed improving.
Well it is just a toy and in the movie I'm sure it doesn't stick out like that
Quote from: Jenga on Nov 27, 2007, 12:25:23 AM
It's been on the facehugger since alien resurrection it just wasn't colored pink until AVP. Now in AVP:R it's brighter pink.
here it is in AVP:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-528
Notice how all the production pics of AVP are yellowish but the movie is blue? Shows how much effort went into the lighting.
i dont think the facehugger desine has ever changed its just a different colour.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 26, 2007, 11:58:11 PM
or, like i said, adi just thinks pink is trendy.
Yeah because apparently pink is the new 'hardcore'...
Interesting. ???
Is there a price anywhere on there, I can't seem to find it? ???
Anyways, it looks kinda odd from that angle...didn't the face huggers from aliens have eyes too? I can't see the eyes on this one. :S
Facehuggers have never had eyes...
Quote from: darcevil on Nov 27, 2007, 01:58:28 AM
...didn't the face huggers from aliens have eyes too? I can't see the eyes on this one. :S
What the fu<k!?
Quote from: Gates on Nov 27, 2007, 02:00:05 AM
Quote from: darcevil on Nov 27, 2007, 01:58:28 AM
...didn't the face huggers from aliens have eyes too? I can't see the eyes on this one. :S
What the fu<k!?
Sorry, I coulda swore they had little spider eyes in aliens when Ripley and newt get trapped in that room...
Uhh no they didn't they never had eyes. The facehugger looks so freaky, imagine having that on your face. :S
a hint for the next AVP/alien director....
"do not change anything"
It seems the only way to keep some fans happy? :D
Even a small patch of pink flesh on the facehugger (that you'll not catch in the movie).....take note!
Right now I'm reading Aliens: Steel Egg and the facehuggers spit acid. I'm guessing they'll do smething similar in this movie, and the spitter part is colored pink so it doens't look like the acid is coming from nowhere.
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 02:58:49 AM
Right now I'm reading Aliens: Steel Egg and the facehuggers spit acid. I'm guessing they'll do smething similar in this movie, and the spitter part is colored pink so it doens't look like the acid is coming from nowhere.
They never could spit acid, only secrete it when attached to something. (In order to get through to the hosts face)They don't have a mouth, just the ovipositor/tube.
And if they spit acid from the pink part of them in this movie, That is disappointing indeed, and would be another f**k up related to the aliens.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 27, 2007, 03:01:53 AM
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 02:58:49 AM
Right now I'm reading Aliens: Steel Egg and the facehuggers spit acid. I'm guessing they'll do smething similar in this movie, and the spitter part is colored pink so it doens't look like the acid is coming from nowhere.
They never could spit acid, only secrete it when attached to something. (In order to get through to the hosts face)They don't have a mouth, just the ovipositor/tube.
And if they spit acid from the pink part of them in this movie, That is disappointing indeed, and would be another f**k up related to the aliens.
Yeah in the book the acid comes from the ovipositor but I wasn't going to put it past them that they'd change that. Otherwise, I guess it's a sensory organ of some kind, it looks like it has two pits like a pit viper does. You know, it would make sense for the facehuggers to sense the heat of their prey. That could be what triggers the eggs, too.
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 03:07:23 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 27, 2007, 03:01:53 AM
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 02:58:49 AM
Right now I'm reading Aliens: Steel Egg and the facehuggers spit acid. I'm guessing they'll do smething similar in this movie, and the spitter part is colored pink so it doens't look like the acid is coming from nowhere.
They never could spit acid, only secrete it when attached to something. (In order to get through to the hosts face)They don't have a mouth, just the ovipositor/tube.
And if they spit acid from the pink part of them in this movie, That is disappointing indeed, and would be another f**k up related to the aliens.
Yeah in the book the acid comes from the ovipositor but I wasn't going to put it past them that they'd change that. Otherwise, I guess it's a sensory organ of some kind, it looks like it has two pits like a pit viper does. You know, it would make sense for the facehuggers to sense the heat of their prey. That could be what triggers the eggs, too.
No, what triggers the egg is changes in heat/air density near the egg. While the facehugger is still within, the egg and the facehugger are sort of one organism in symbiosis, that can surivive for an indeifnite amount of time, due to slowing down its metabolism etc.
The egg basically has its own rudamentary nervous system and its the egg that detects the prey and then via adrenaline as well as other chemicals, awakens the facehugger. The "roots"/tendrils seen below the eggs, either serve as extensions of such a nervous system or to receive nutrients from the hive itself.
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 02:58:49 AM
Right now I'm reading Aliens: Steel Egg and the facehuggers spit acid. I'm guessing they'll do smething similar in this movie, and the spitter part is colored pink so it doens't look like the acid is coming from nowhere.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 27, 2007, 12:24:40 AM
Maybe they spit acid now. ::)
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 27, 2007, 03:15:43 AM
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 02:58:49 AM
Right now I'm reading Aliens: Steel Egg and the facehuggers spit acid. I'm guessing they'll do smething similar in this movie, and the spitter part is colored pink so it doens't look like the acid is coming from nowhere.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 27, 2007, 12:24:40 AM
Maybe they spit acid now. ::)
Its most likely just ADI making changes just to be different.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 27, 2007, 03:11:13 AM
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 03:07:23 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 27, 2007, 03:01:53 AM
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 02:58:49 AM
Right now I'm reading Aliens: Steel Egg and the facehuggers spit acid. I'm guessing they'll do smething similar in this movie, and the spitter part is colored pink so it doens't look like the acid is coming from nowhere.
They never could spit acid, only secrete it when attached to something. (In order to get through to the hosts face)They don't have a mouth, just the ovipositor/tube.
And if they spit acid from the pink part of them in this movie, That is disappointing indeed, and would be another f**k up related to the aliens.
Yeah in the book the acid comes from the ovipositor but I wasn't going to put it past them that they'd change that. Otherwise, I guess it's a sensory organ of some kind, it looks like it has two pits like a pit viper does. You know, it would make sense for the facehuggers to sense the heat of their prey. That could be what triggers the eggs, too.
No, what triggers the egg is changes in heat/air density near the egg. While the facehugger is still within, the egg and the facehugger are sort of one organism in symbiosis, that can surivive for an indeifnite amount of time, due to slowing down its metabolism etc.
The egg basically has its own rudamentary nervous system and its the egg that detects the prey and then via adrenaline as well as other chemicals, awakens the facehugger. The "roots"/tendrils seen below the eggs, either serve as extensions of such a nervous system or to receive nutrients from the hive itself.
Knew all that already, I meant that heat triggers the eggs as well as guides the facehugger when it emerges. "
Changes in heat/air density" as you said.
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 03:21:41 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 27, 2007, 03:11:13 AM
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 03:07:23 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 27, 2007, 03:01:53 AM
Quote from: Vemados on Nov 27, 2007, 02:58:49 AM
Right now I'm reading Aliens: Steel Egg and the facehuggers spit acid. I'm guessing they'll do smething similar in this movie, and the spitter part is colored pink so it doens't look like the acid is coming from nowhere.
They never could spit acid, only secrete it when attached to something. (In order to get through to the hosts face)They don't have a mouth, just the ovipositor/tube.
And if they spit acid from the pink part of them in this movie, That is disappointing indeed, and would be another f**k up related to the aliens.
Yeah in the book the acid comes from the ovipositor but I wasn't going to put it past them that they'd change that. Otherwise, I guess it's a sensory organ of some kind, it looks like it has two pits like a pit viper does. You know, it would make sense for the facehuggers to sense the heat of their prey. That could be what triggers the eggs, too.
No, what triggers the egg is changes in heat/air density near the egg. While the facehugger is still within, the egg and the facehugger are sort of one organism in symbiosis, that can surivive for an indeifnite amount of time, due to slowing down its metabolism etc.
The egg basically has its own rudamentary nervous system and its the egg that detects the prey and then via adrenaline as well as other chemicals, awakens the facehugger. The "roots"/tendrils seen below the eggs, either serve as extensions of such a nervous system or to receive nutrients from the hive itself.
Knew all that already, I meant that heat triggers the eggs as well as guides the facehugger when it emerges. "Changes in heat/air density" as you said.
ok. I thought you meant the pink part on the facehugger triggered the egg to open when you said that.
Yeah after I posted it I thought you might think that, but what the hell :)
Reminds me of the hugger throbbing' in the egg in Alien. It might of been the hugger 'waking up'.
QuoteFacehuggers have never had eyes...
They did in 1978.
looks ok to me
I know one thing-the facehuggers are a way different in AvP R.
Quote from: SM on Nov 27, 2007, 03:45:36 AM
QuoteFacehuggers have never had eyes...
They did in 1978.
Meaning what?
I think that they had on concept arts, like alien had eyes on concept arts.
Quote from: SM on Nov 27, 2007, 12:30:50 AM
Similar folds of sking have been there since 1979. Why are they pink? No sense of subtlety. Continuously "improving" on something that has never needed improving.
Amen to that. The bottom of the facehugger tells you everything you need to know.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 27, 2007, 03:17:48 AM
Its most likely just ADI making changes just to be different.
I'm tellin you man, there are only two explanations to this:
1. They are bunch of morons with absolute lack of talent in designing/updating (however their animatronic are quite good)
2. They are gaining pleasure from destroying and fu*king up everything they touch related to alien/predator.
I wouldn't be suprised, if some of them lock up in the room with chet figure, when everybody else is gone and no one is watching, and telling her 'we screwed you real good, didn't we? oh yeah baby, we screwed you up real good' while mastrubating.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 27, 2007, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 27, 2007, 03:17:48 AM
Its most likely just ADI making changes just to be different.
I'm tellin you man, there are only two explanations to this:
1. They are bunch of morons with absolute lack of talent in designing/updating (however their animatronic are quite good)
2. They are gaining pleasure from destroying and fu*king up everything they touch related to alien/predator.
I wouldn't be suprised, if some of them lock up in the room with chet figure, when everybody else is gone and no one is watching, and telling her 'we screwed you real good, didn't we? oh yeah baby, we screwed you up real good' while mastrubating.
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I'm completly open minded about the face hugger acid spitting idea. In every alien movie something new was introduced. weather good or bad these ideas have stuck with alien lore so if this is the case lets see how it turns out. You might be surprised. 8)
Looks fine to me ...
greetz
I can't believe you people. Relax. It's a pink area the size of a postage stamp. When Aliens was in production the warriors were painted all kinds of browns with gold highlights so they would show up with the lighting. Go complain about that oif you're so concerned about your precious original vision. I doubt it will even be visible on screen.
Anyway, I'm fine with facehuggers secreting acid. "Spitting" it like a projectile would be weird because it completely changes the idea of the facehugger from being, for the most part, defenseless and only living to serve one purpose.
However, it's very clear that in Alien as well as Alien 3 that the facehugger has some means of secreting acid in order to get to hosts' faces.
Yeah Greg said that the final version would look really different.
i'm not sure about facehuggers but dont they actually DO SPIT ACID? i mean how the f**k did the face hugger from the first movie face hug the victim when the dude was wearing a space helmet? it's been like more than a decade since i saw the film but as far as i remember the space helmet got MELTED. anyway, any alien scientists want to tell me what that was?
remember the Fangoria pics?the Pink spot was pretty bright
I agree that the pink spot is a sensory area. They've had that area since the first movie, but it wasn't so pronounced. All the facehuggers in previous movies had their hosts waiting just outside the egg, but in avp-r, they've been locked in stasis for who knows how long, that the original prey has already passed on and once it awakens from stasis, it will probably have developed a new way to find prey, because the last thing it remembers was the host being there, but then he wasn't. Maybe a long range heat sensor?
QuoteI think that they had on concept arts, like alien had eyes on concept arts.
Yup. One of the later designs had a single eye in the middle of it's 'back' and is described in the novelisation.
didn't they have a little bit of pink in the area though...i know a good bit less than that but still some
No there was no "pink bit".
anyone got a pic? i just can't remember i know it was not near as big as that one.
What do you think of how they changed the color of the facehuggers in AvP-R?
Quote from: schwa on Feb 08, 2008, 08:10:50 PM
What do you think of how they changed the color of the facehuggers in AvP-R?
painted them different?
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 08, 2008, 08:13:48 PM
Quote from: schwa on Feb 08, 2008, 08:10:50 PM
What do you think of how they changed the color of the facehuggers in AvP-R?
painted them different?
Yeah, do you think they should have left it alone? I mean, it was the same color throughout the entire Alien series and AvP, so why did they all of a sudden change something that's been that constant?
Quote from: schwa on Feb 08, 2008, 08:16:19 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 08, 2008, 08:13:48 PM
Quote from: schwa on Feb 08, 2008, 08:10:50 PM
What do you think of how they changed the color of the facehuggers in AvP-R?
painted them different?
Yeah, do you think they should have left it alone? I mean, it was the same color throughout the entire Alien series and AvP, so why did they all of a sudden change something that's been that constant?
I think that every director just wants to add their own touch to a creature, it was probley the only original thing they did apart from the PredAlien which could have been alot better.
I didnt really notice the different paint on the facehuggers, you dont see them that much if yu ask me.
Hardly noticeable.
in the still shots the looked differant but not in the movie.
Looked like trash...
they have always had subtle but ignorable differences from film to film (not including the super facehugger, of course)
I didnt realy notice any difference from alien 1 to alien 2 only the fact that they were a little larger. and in ressurection you couldnt really tell because they had very little screen time.
i agree in that every director wants their own signature on there movies besides seeing something AAALLWAYS the same kinda gets boring so change is good
diddnt matter to me, they looked like facehuggers, and acted like them. a slight color change makes no difference.
While it didn't bother me in the film it does make me wonder why after so many films they would choose to change something such as the color scheme of the Facehugger. They blended in better in the forest setting which was some what nice but that is about all i can think to say about them. Overall they didn't do anything to change my already low opinion of the film.
Facehuggers are facehuggers, and this slight change have on impact on this film as well as on the francise it selve. Super facehugger is a different story though.
I honestly didn't care about the slight difference in FH design. What DID irritate me was;
1. The half-arsed "I just thought this up on the spot" reasoning the directors came up with to explain the differences.
2. The fact that the huggers were effectively obsolete with the Predalien around.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Feb 11, 2008, 10:49:23 AM
I honestly didn't care about the slight difference in FH design. What DID irritate me was;
1. The half-arsed "I just thought this up on the spot" reasoning the directors came up with to explain the differences.
2. The fact that the huggers were effectively obsolete with the Predalien around.
The predalien is a face hugger ain't he?
the queen lays eggs, the face hugger "lays" chestbusters.... ;)
Leave the colour alone! I hated it. A bad idea if you ask me.
I liked the new huggers. The light colors work if they don't do much, but here they need to run and jump around. The dark colors make them more sinister.
Also, the huggers were tampered with by the predators.
Quote from: Milan on Feb 11, 2008, 03:49:36 PM
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Feb 11, 2008, 10:49:23 AM
I honestly didn't care about the slight difference in FH design. What DID irritate me was;
1. The half-arsed "I just thought this up on the spot" reasoning the directors came up with to explain the differences.
2. The fact that the huggers were effectively obsolete with the Predalien around.
The predalien is a face hugger ain't he?
the queen lays eggs, the face hugger "lays" chestbusters.... ;)
Exactly! this is not a Predalien/Predalien Queen/Predalien Young Queen/or even Predatorian ;).
This is just a fu<king perfect facehugger. The question is how many embryos he is able to lay before his own death?
i think the design looked good
but why would bursters look like that?
well, if you assume queen takes host characteristics (i like to think so) and trasnmits them to facehuggers (i also like to think so) then you got an easy explanation (would explain much stuff, all alien diferences in all movies can be explained based on this queen dna thing, i posted before about it....)
you can think they could change colour to hide better, but doesnt make sense sicne in previosu movies that didnt happen.....
I think these were pred experiment facehuggers. That's why the dark and the ridges.
No. Rather normal facehuggers. I don`t want to create more useless things like another kind of facehuggers, aspecialy when there is no good explanation or reason in the film itselve. I do very much like superfacehugger, but for me this is the, and only one different facehugger.