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Title: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 27, 2015, 01:10:50 PM
This is starting to do my head in Blomkamp says one thing then everyone assumes its retcon, then says not trying to undo and fans and websites assume its a direct sequel to Resurrection. Please put us out our misery!
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:14:38 PM
He doesn't have the balls to admit what he wants in his movie
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 01:23:50 PM
whoa

hope this doesnt turn into another prometheus.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 01:25:33 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:14:38 PM
He doesn't have the balls to admit what he wants in his movie

Or he's just said what he wants "Genetically related to Aliens" and "Not undoing the post- Aliens sequels."

He just hasn't said where he is placing the sequel.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:15 PM
He said it's Alien, Aliens, his film, and while he's not trying to undo Alien 3 and Res ( as in, decanonizing them isn't his reason for making this) his film will follow on from Aliens.

Don't see why this is so hard.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
i assume this is what the hype is about:

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/trailers/414333-neil-blomkamp-suggests-alien-5-will-not-rewrite-franchise-continuity#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/trailers/414333-neil-blomkamp-suggests-alien-5-will-not-rewrite-franchise-continuity#/slide/1)
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:15 PM
He said it's Alien, Aliens, his film, and while he's not trying to undo Alien 3 and Res ( as in, decanonizing them isn't his reason for making this) his film will follow on from Aliens.

Don't see why this is so hard.

Yup
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: T Dog on Feb 27, 2015, 01:40:04 PM
Yeah I hope this doesn't turn into another Prometheus "is it/isn't it" situation.

Having said that, give the guy a break, he's promoting his new movie and now it's living in the shadow of his next one.

I wonder if they pulled the sky news interview because they intercut it with all the Michael Biehn artwork etc and that is what is contributing to all this confusion. Websites and the endless new threads on this site don't help the situation by claiming that he officially said it's rewriting the series when he NEVER EVER said that!
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 27, 2015, 01:41:35 PM
I think its a direct sequel to aliens but when I see updates on social media then fans going on about Ripley 8 I'm like NO NO NO!
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
http://screenrant.com/neil-blomkamp-alien-5-continuity-elysium-problems/ (http://screenrant.com/neil-blomkamp-alien-5-continuity-elysium-problems/)

quote from the above link:

So basically, it's going to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection. Because let's face it, there's no way a scarred up Hicks can be in the movie without it disregarding the continuity that came after Aliens.

end quote


just sayin dont care which way it goes
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:15 PM
He said it's Alien, Aliens, his film, and while he's not trying to undo Alien 3 and Res ( as in, decanonizing them isn't his reason for making this) his film will follow on from Aliens.

Don't see why this is so hard.

But what does it mean, exactly?
That his movie takes place between Aliens and Alien 3?
Basically, they wake up, Alien5 happens, go back to cryosleep and Alien3 begins?
This wouldn't explain their aging, though.
???








Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:28:10 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:15 PM
He said it's Alien, Aliens, his film, and while he's not trying to undo Alien 3 and Res ( as in, decanonizing them isn't his reason for making this) his film will follow on from Aliens.

Don't see why this is so hard.

But what does it mean, exactly?
That his movie takes place between Aliens and Alien 3?
Basically, they wake up, Alien5 happens, go back to cryosleep and Alien3 begins?
This wouldn't explain their aging, though.
???

Because it's an alternate story to the original two sequels to Aliens.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:15 PM
He said it's Alien, Aliens, his film, and while he's not trying to undo Alien 3 and Res ( as in, decanonizing them isn't his reason for making this) his film will follow on from Aliens.

Don't see why this is so hard.

But what does it mean, exactly?
That his movie takes place between Aliens and Alien 3?
Basically, they wake up, Alien5 happens, go back to cryosleep and Alien3 begins?
This wouldn't explain their aging, though.
???

They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:45:06 PM
its too early for NB to really announce any info on the plot.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

No fork, just:
Alien- Theatrical Cut, Aliens- Theatrical Cut, Alien³- Assembly Cut, Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition.

Prometheus, Alien- "Director's Cut", Aliens- Special Edition, Neill Blompkamp's- AL III EN.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
So you're saying to viewing order for these movies go something like this... ;)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.viralnova.com%2F000%2F044%2F972%2Foptical-illusions-gifs7.gif&hash=c8f009851c339a5e0786cda5c78bbdc8edd3a97e)
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 04:21:58 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
So you're saying to viewing order for these movies go something like this... ;)

http://images.viralnova.com/000/044/972/optical-illusions-gifs7.gif

If you want to watch them all chronologically in one weekend then, but you should watch one or the other of the "sagas" presented.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:23:36 PM
Odds are I'd just wind up watching them in release order most of the time, if I wanted to see everything.

And if I was ever in the mood for a particular story (A - As - A3, A - As - this) I'd just choose appropriately.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 04:27:26 PM
If a multiverse is created, I wouldn't mind seeing a comic or some other kind of media in the future having Ripley 8 and biosuit Ripley teaming up.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:43:46 PM
The film's only just been announced! Probably won't be any concrete info for a while yet...
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

Exactly. It's a retcon. He just doesn't want to sound like a lazy hack that's all
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

Exactly. It's a retcon. He just doesn't want to sound like a lazy hack that's all

Lazy hack?

LOL
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 27, 2015, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
i assume this is what the hype is about:

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/trailers/414333-neil-blomkamp-suggests-alien-5-will-not-rewrite-franchise-continuity#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/trailers/414333-neil-blomkamp-suggests-alien-5-will-not-rewrite-franchise-continuity#/slide/1)
This makes me laugh. The first sentence of this article starts off: "Continuity fans..."

As if, mofo.


Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
So you're saying to viewing order for these movies go something like this... ;)

http://images.viralnova.com/000/044/972/optical-illusions-gifs7.gif

I enjoy your posts.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 27, 2015, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
So you're saying to viewing order for these movies go something like this... ;)

http://images.viralnova.com/000/044/972/optical-illusions-gifs7.gif

I enjoy your posts.

:-*
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 07:29:25 PM
You know, Blomkamp has really actually inspired me, both through his own vision and the potential marginalization of Alien 3 and Resurrection, to get my butt in gear and to create my own Alien epic set right after Resurrection.  Who knows what it will lead to?
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 27, 2015, 07:39:19 PM
I think what Blomkamp means by having it be connected to ALIEN and ALIENS, is that the events in the film will directly relate to those events and not necessarily cast out the events in the other films. For instance, the derelict perhaps...

There is a simple way to explain the timeline issue.

The easiest way for it to make some sense is if the scientists lied to Ripley 8 and Weyland-Yutani IS the government or needed the government to fund the experiments. They were 'operating outside of regulated space' after all, so... Since W-Y headquarters features prominently in Blomkamp's concept art and in A:R Ripley is told the company doesn't exist anymore that would have had to of been a lie.

Building on that, it's entirely possible to say that the Scientists who wanted to keep the Ripley 8 clone alive, were working under orders from the company that were hidden from the military operation, like ASH in Alien had orders the rest didn't know about. Here's the trick: They were also lying about a lot of things to Ripley 8. For instance, about it being 400 years later, so she would feel hobbled and alone, during their studies and wouldn't try to contact anyone and be more likely to give up info. Sort of like the lies we tell terrorists and suspected criminals during interrogations.

That would also explain Hicks. As a matter of fact the film could open with Ripley 8 locked in a lab, tortured and being tested on by the company, trying to figure out how to use her DNA or reverse the effects of the black goo on someone and have Hicks come and rescue her. It would be very easy to explain that lie to her, or by that point she could just know.

That said, I believe what Blomkamp means to say is that his film will relate directly to the events in the first two. And that if anything, A:R separated itself from them and he will return to that. The above would also explain how ripley is no longer 'categorically' ripley 8.

Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 07:46:54 PM
I doubt he'd jump through all those hoops.
Especially the Ripley 8 part (When he directly stated Ripley 8 won't be featured)- sounds like wishful thinking on your part.
Also Hicks being alive?

C'mon, people stuff like this is grasping at straws with the information we have.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

Exactly. It's a retcon. He just doesn't want to sound like a lazy hack that's all

Lazy hack?

LOL

Nothing to laugh out loud about. It's quite sad actually.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 08:51:50 PM
It is something to laugh at because you're wrong.[\i]

For the time being that is because District 9 is fantastic, I disagree with you about what you said about the second half.
And he admitted Elysium was essentially a failure.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 27, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Nothing to laugh out loud about. It's quite sad actually.

Your life?
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Nothing to laugh out loud about. It's quite sad actually.

You're life?

Projecting much?
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

Exactly. It's a retcon. He just doesn't want to sound like a lazy hack that's all

Lazy hack?

LOL

Nothing to laugh out loud about. It's quite sad actually.
Your posts are sad but they do become funny after a while because they're so baseless.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

Exactly. It's a retcon. He just doesn't want to sound like a lazy hack that's all

Lazy hack?

LOL

Nothing to laugh out loud about. It's quite sad actually.
Your posts are sad but they do become funny after a while because they're so baseless.

Lots of projection going on here. Not surprised though
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

Exactly. It's a retcon. He just doesn't want to sound like a lazy hack that's all

Lazy hack?

LOL

Nothing to laugh out loud about. It's quite sad actually.
Your posts are sad but they do become funny after a while because they're so baseless.

Lots of projection going on here. Not surprised though
It really shouldn't be surprising I'll admit. I mean what do you expect when people keep giving you good counter arguments to your opinions (that you state as fact) and you completely ignore them?
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

Exactly. It's a retcon. He just doesn't want to sound like a lazy hack that's all

Lazy hack?

LOL

Nothing to laugh out loud about. It's quite sad actually.
Your posts are sad but they do become funny after a while because they're so baseless.

Lots of projection going on here. Not surprised though
It really shouldn't be surprising I'll admit. I mean what do you expect when people keep giving you good counter arguments to your opinions (that you state as fact) and you completely ignore them?

You're projecting do hard it's funny! Good counter arguments? Where, when?

All you're saying is that the people who like A3 should just chill out and get over it, but it was/is inexcusable that A3 wasn't the carbon copy of ALIENS you all wanted. Great counter arguments.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:48:44 PM
"Chill out and get over it" is what fans who wanted a truly worthy sequel to Aliens got since 92...

Come on guys.  Chill out on both sides.  There is no way everybody can agree and both view points are valid and understandable.

Have a great weekend folks!  Its been a crazy few days with all this news.  I must step back for my own sanity...
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:08:07 PM
f**k I just hope this Aliens sequel isn't going to be what T3 was to T2.

Get over it men and the two women here, Alien³ is dead. However A|R is still alive and kicking since so much time has passed after the events of fury161 that simply deleting Alien³ isn't enough to retcon that movie. The new Alien³(5) could still end up crashing on fury161. A|R fans rejoice, it's not dead yet.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:03:01 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:30 PM
They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

Exactly. It's a retcon. He just doesn't want to sound like a lazy hack that's all

Lazy hack?

LOL

Nothing to laugh out loud about. It's quite sad actually.
Your posts are sad but they do become funny after a while because they're so baseless.

Lots of projection going on here. Not surprised though
It really shouldn't be surprising I'll admit. I mean what do you expect when people keep giving you good counter arguments to your opinions (that you state as fact) and you completely ignore them?

You're projecting do hard it's funny! Good counter arguments? Where, when?

All you're saying is that the people who like A3 should just chill out and get over it, but it was/is inexcusable that A3 wasn't the carbon copy of ALIENS you all wanted. Great counter arguments.
Myself alone have written a couple pages worth. So yeah they're everywhere in these current threads but you ignore them.

I'll just stop now. I wasn't trying to "project" but more kick your condescension down a notch. But I just realized I shouldn't kick a man while he's down.  After all we're getting what we wanted and you're getting the exact opposite.

Now that's purposefully projecting  ;) But I am done lol
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: windebieste on Feb 27, 2015, 10:58:21 PM
I can't see how all this proposal works... how can he include Hicks, not break canon and maintain continuity?  It makes no sense.  Something has to go.

So we have 3 options as far as I am concerned:

1).  Original proposal: Ripley and Hicks come back in a post 'ALIENS' scenario. 
The Problem:  Alternate continuity breaks canon.  This just messes everything up as far as I am concerned

2).  Proper 'ALIEN 5' sequel: Ripley 8 finishes her story and we get closure to the series.
The Problem:  'ALIENS' fanboys can't wank themselves into a stupor. ...or maybe they can if we see 24th Century military hardware and personnel introduced into this scenario. 

3).  'ALIENS 2' sequel:: A direct sequel to the 2nd movie that ditches Ripley and Hicks entirely.  A fresh cast aboard another Conestoga class transport ship that gets involved with Xenos in a scenario that runs parallel to the events of 'ALIEN 3'.
The Problem: There isn't any.  Sure, Ripley and Hicks don't appear, but is that really an issue? To me, the insistence that these 2 characters MUST appear in the new movie is where all the problems are happening, anyway.  With this option, however, canon is not broken, continuity is intact and we get new experiences and a fresh start that could build into a whole new series without disregarding 'ALIEN 3' and 'ALIEN: Resurrection'.  Nope.  There's absolutely no problem with any of that.

Personally, I'd like to see the series wrapped up properly with closure to Ripley 8's path; but I'm also good for a proper 'ALIENS 2' sequel to the 2nd film that has no canon or continuity breaches with completely fresh cast because this Universe is big enough to accommodate such a thing. 

-Windebieste.


Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 11:09:36 PM
Ripley 8 died to organ failure (And bad movie-itis) immediately after A:R as far as I'm concerned.
So I don't want to see anything post A:R.

I'm happy with the idea of an alternate universe.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:11:39 PM
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They wake up, Alien 5 happens, that's all. If what has been said is to be believed Alien 5, or whatever they decide to call it, will follow on from Aliens, and by process of elimination that means Alien 3 has to go. Blomkamp didn't seek out to destroy Alien 3, but the story he wants to tell requires it not to have happened.

The definition of a retcon.

Obviously Alien 3's story or A:Rs will always exist, it's just strange having a fork in the road suddenly appear whenever you get to the end of Aliens.

Exactly. It's a retcon. He just doesn't want to sound like a lazy hack that's all

Lazy hack?

LOL

Nothing to laugh out loud about. It's quite sad actually.
Your posts are sad but they do become funny after a while because they're so baseless.

Lots of projection going on here. Not surprised though
It really shouldn't be surprising I'll admit. I mean what do you expect when people keep giving you good counter arguments to your opinions (that you state as fact) and you completely ignore them?

You're projecting do hard it's funny! Good counter arguments? Where, when?

All you're saying is that the people who like A3 should just chill out and get over it, but it was/is inexcusable that A3 wasn't the carbon copy of ALIENS you all wanted. Great counter arguments.
Myself alone have written a couple pages worth. So yeah they're everywhere in these current threads but you ignore them.

I'll just stop now. I wasn't trying to "project" but more kick your condescension down a notch. But I just realized I shouldn't kick a man while he's down.  After all we're getting what we wanted and you're getting the exact opposite.

Now that's purposefully projecting  ;) But I am done lol

So you're just a troll then? Got it!
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 01:14:57 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 07:46:54 PM
I doubt he'd jump through all those hoops.
Especially the Ripley 8 part (When he directly stated Ripley 8 won't be featured)- sounds like wishful thinking on your part.
Also Hicks being alive?

C'mon, people stuff like this is grasping at straws with the information we have.
Of coarse it's just an idea! Im not saying this is what's happening. I'm just saying it isn't that hard to move it back in another direction.
But what do you mean by 'all those hoops'

That's just one simple hoop. The scientists were lying to Ripley, W-Y is still very much apart of the scheme and it isn't 400 years later. You can just START the movie that way. Another simple possibility is to work off the idea that they had either already cloned Ripley or did so again. Again, I'm not saying this is happening Im just trying to show that its not that difficult. Personally, I had always expected an A5 since A:R to explain that W-Y was still around in some facet so they lie thing doesn't seem strange at all. Especially when you consider that the events in A:R happen so quickly and over the coarse of a few hours that there wasn't much time for her to even find out.

Also - by the end of A:R Ripley is pretty much Ripley again. apart from the blood and jumping of yeah and the alien sex.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2015, 01:26:31 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
http://screenrant.com/neil-blomkamp-alien-5-continuity-elysium-problems/ (http://screenrant.com/neil-blomkamp-alien-5-continuity-elysium-problems/)

That link has reassured me, somewhat. He seems to recognise the problems inherent to 'Elysium' and owns up to the fact that it needed a lot more work, story-wise/logic-wise.

If he can apply those lessons to this project, there should hopefully be a marked improvement.
Title: Re: Just come out with it Blomkamp!
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 28, 2015, 01:52:57 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2015, 01:26:31 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
http://screenrant.com/neil-blomkamp-alien-5-continuity-elysium-problems/ (http://screenrant.com/neil-blomkamp-alien-5-continuity-elysium-problems/)

That link has reassured me, somewhat. He seems to recognise the problems inherent to 'Elysium' and owns up to the fact that it needed a lot more work, story-wise/logic-wise.

If he can apply those lessons to this project, there should hopefully be a marked improvement.
Yup that was a good read. I'm glad he knows what he did wrong. I almost feel like that's what almost happened with his Alien project. He had so much concept art already. But he's taking his time with the story because he knows he didn't do that enough during Elysium.