Do you think the 'suprise' promised a while back has already been seen? I can remember Greg said that it would be 'something sci-fi fan's will go nuts over.' So could it have been the new reproduction method, the multiple burstings, the "get to the choppa" line, that we see Ms Yutani and the end or something else?
I sure hope it'll be something we haven't seen yet... :-\
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 21, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
Do you think the 'suprise' promised a while back has already been seen? I can remember Greg said that it would be 'something sci-fi fan's will go nuts over.' So could it have been the new reproduction method, the multiple burstings, the "get to the choppa" line, that we see Ms Yutani and the end or something else?
I sure hope it'll be something we haven't seen yet... :-\
I hope it's something we haven't seen yet too but I'm sure it's one of the mentioned above. :-\
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 21, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
Do you think the 'suprise' promised a while back has already been seen? I can remember Greg said that it would be 'something sci-fi fan's will go nuts over.' So could it have been the new reproduction method, the multiple burstings, the "get to the choppa" line, that we see Ms Yutani and the end or something else?
I sure hope it'll be something we haven't seen yet... :-\
Yah,i too hope that is something that we haven't seen.
From reading the review over at RT, the movie ends with "Ms. Yutani" getting hold of the predator hand gun.
Well if you really want to know?
You could give a clue, not the whole picture.
The title does have *spoliers* in it... ;)
Sadly the "fantastic" sci-fi twist has already been mentioned. Anyway, you aren't going to be surprised in the cinemas.
That sucks!!! I was hoping something else...
Quote from: Mr.Bubbles on Dec 21, 2007, 05:10:11 PM
Sadly the "fantastic" sci-fi twist has already been mentioned. Anyway, you aren't going to be surprised in the cinemas.
I knew it. >:(
Quote from: Mr.Bubbles on Dec 21, 2007, 05:10:11 PM
Sadly the "fantastic" sci-fi twist has already been mentioned. Anyway, you aren't going to be surprised in the cinemas.
It's that we see Ms Yutani at the end ain't it...
You really want that to be spoiled to you? Not like there is much to be spoiled about this.
Quote from: Mr.Bubbles on Dec 21, 2007, 06:30:05 PM
You really want that to be spoiled to you? Not like there is much to be spoiled about this.
The movie's spoiled for me anyway, go ahead.
could be a queen at the end but i doubt it. this movie isnt realy a saprise kinda movie its just horrer action.
I send it to you via PM War Wager, so I won't be mauled to death by some fans. If you want to know more about the ending I can write you the dialogue, but I doubt it is needed since you can already find it on-line.
We're meant to go nuts over that?!
C'mon, Wager...this thread is titled *Spoilers* so dish it up. I'm ready to be underwhelmed. :)
If it is indeed the Yutani thing, it's not that surprising lol... we need bigger surprise...
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 22, 2007, 09:49:57 AM
C'mon, Wager...this thread is titled *Spoilers* so dish it up. I'm ready to be underwhelmed. :)
I agree, just tell us!! or p.m me.....please
whats wrong with that ending... what were you guys expecting?
the great surprise? mmh... there are two of them..
at first the new reproduction method and the the predator homeworld...
i dont thin there is an other surprise, but i hope so...^^
Well this is a spoiler thread... ok then get ready...
...the suprise that we are to go absaloutley nuts over is...
... the tension is building...
...that we see Ms Yutani at the end with 40sec of dialouge!!!!
WOOOO!! :o
Not exactly what I was hoping for...
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 22, 2007, 01:12:45 PM
Well this is a spoiler thread... ok then get ready...
...the suprise that we are to go absaloutley nuts over is...
... the tension is building...
...that we see Ms Yutani at the end with 40sec of dialouge!!!!
WOOOO!! :o
Not exactly what I was hoping for...
WOO HOO, my prayers have been answered..... :-X
Quote from: gases on Dec 22, 2007, 10:16:22 AM
whats wrong with that ending... what were you guys expecting?
anyone wana answer me yet
What would you have as an ending in their position?
Quote from: gases on Dec 22, 2007, 01:59:05 PM
anyone wana answer me yet
What would you have as an ending in their position?
sorry i have to quote myself, but i wrote the perfect ending description a little while ago:
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 25, 2007, 07:45:33 PM
as the plot is placed in the present times, i can imagine my prefect ending.
aliens are wiped out, but, unfortunately, one remains and, nobody knows how, ends up in adi headquater! It first takes out alec and tom, then kills everyone in the building, only one anonymous hero, who used to work there as a janitor, stays alive. He picks up the weapon and shoots the xenomorph! But acid blood falls on all the computers, sketches and sculptures and everything related to adi alien/predator designs, destroying them forever.
and then building implodes.
that would be pretty awesome ending
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 25, 2007, 07:45:33 PM
as the plot is placed in the present times, i can imagine my prefect ending.
aliens are wiped out, but, unfortunately, one remains and, nobody knows how, ends up in adi headquater! It first takes out alec and tom, then kills everyone in the building, only one anonymous hero, who used to work there as a janitor, stays alive. He picks up the weapon and shoots the xenomorph! But acid blood falls on all the computers, sketches and sculptures and everything related to adi alien/predator designs, destroying them forever.
and then building implodes.
ADI was only good for one thing...
The Bugs in Starship Troopers!
the big surprise could be : people found Wolf ship , bring to army , and Dutch appears , now as General , and said : now it's time to us go and find what place these hunters come from !!
a scene in the future shows marine coming near the preds homeworld and the preds catching a signal of the ship arriving ....
Quote from: yautjarod on Dec 22, 2007, 05:18:02 PM
the big surprise could be : people found Wolf ship , bring to army , and Dutch appears , now as General , and said : now it's time to us go and find what place these hunters come from !!
a scene in the future shows marine coming near the preds homeworld and the preds catching a signal of the ship arriving ....
Please tell me you are joking.
Quote from: WisePredator on Dec 22, 2007, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: yautjarod on Dec 22, 2007, 05:18:02 PM
the big surprise could be : people found Wolf ship , bring to army , and Dutch appears , now as General , and said : now it's time to us go and find what place these hunters come from !!
a scene in the future shows marine coming near the preds homeworld and the preds catching a signal of the ship arriving ....
Please tell me you are joking.
yeah ... just a joke .... everyone knows that humans has no f**king chance against Preds in a war ...heheh
Quote from: yautjarod on Dec 22, 2007, 05:37:57 PM
Quote from: WisePredator on Dec 22, 2007, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: yautjarod on Dec 22, 2007, 05:18:02 PM
the big surprise could be : people found Wolf ship , bring to army , and Dutch appears , now as General , and said : now it's time to us go and find what place these hunters come from !!
a scene in the future shows marine coming near the preds homeworld and the preds catching a signal of the ship arriving ....
Please tell me you are joking.
yeah ... just a joke .... everyone knows that humans has no f**king chance against Preds in a war ...heheh
"
Thank the Maker!" - Three P-O
havent we already seen ms yatuni. as far as i can tell, that was the first bit of AVP-R we ever saw. it was in that show, and we see the mfilming her
Quote from: brad873 on Dec 22, 2007, 06:02:40 PM
havent we already seen ms yatuni. as far as i can tell, that was the first bit of AVP-R we ever saw. it was in that show, and we see the mfilming her
I supose she is japanese , no ? :)
She is supposed to be Japanese but the actress looks Chinese. I often wonder if Asian people get insulted when they get asked to play a difference race? It's the same principle as asking an African to play a Jamaican, they're both black so who'll tell the difference amirite?
Wait, you can tell the difference?
The actress who play Ms. Yutani is Chinese-Canadian.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 22, 2007, 06:19:53 PM
Wait, you can tell the difference?
To a certain extent, it's not hard. It's especially easy when you know their last name. In this case, Yip. So yeah, Chinese ancestry.
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 21, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
Do you think the 'suprise' promised a while back has already been seen? I can remember Greg said that it would be 'something sci-fi fan's will go nuts over.' So could it have been the new reproduction method, the multiple burstings, the "get to the choppa" line, that we see Ms Yutani and the end or something else?
I sure hope it'll be something we haven't seen yet... :-\
95% of the people who will see this movie don't sit on the internet all day long watching every clip that they can get their hands on, so for them none of the surprises have been ruined.
But the hard core fans spoil the movie for themselves by watching clips that we only suppose to be for over-seas markets, and by reading spolier reviews. I see there are over 800 views on the spoiler thread... which is really sad. Why ruin the movie like that? You'll never be able to fully enjoy it now, so what's the point?
Colin, I can understand that the marketing of movies has changed a lot over the past quarter Century since the original ALIEN was released in 1979; but back then, Scott decided to hold all the cards very close to his chest regarding the creature's design.
Also, Fox never released any details about the creature's appearance publicly until well after the fiilm was released. It took a dedicated Fan to search through magazines of the day to find out anything about the creature at all. I know, because I have been an ALIEN fan since then.
Now we just have to open Google and voila! ...instantly, anyone can find details of what the creatures appearing in the movie look like. Hey, even the movie trailer I have seen in cinemas probably shows the audience too much. It aint exactly a big secret what the Predalien looks like, now is it?
I would have been a lot happier if more information on the movie's Human characters had been publicly released and all the publicity stills regarding the creatures had been held onto until after the film's release. We have seen very little about the main Human characters, but it would seem an over-abundance of Alien/Predator action has already graced our monitors.
I still think that a lot can be learned from how ALIEN was marketed back then - when marketing a movie meant a lot was done with very little revealed.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 12:34:40 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 21, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
Do you think the 'suprise' promised a while back has already been seen? I can remember Greg said that it would be 'something sci-fi fan's will go nuts over.' So could it have been the new reproduction method, the multiple burstings, the "get to the choppa" line, that we see Ms Yutani and the end or something else?
I sure hope it'll be something we haven't seen yet... :-\
95% of the people who will see this movie don't sit on the internet all day long watching every clip that they can get their hands on, so for them none of the surprises have been ruined.
But the hard core fans spoil the movie for themselves by watching clips that we only suppose to be for over-seas markets, and by reading spolier reviews. I see there are over 800 views on the spoiler thread... which is really sad. Why ruin the movie like that? You'll never be able to fully enjoy it now, so what's the point?
"enjoy"?
...
:D
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 12:34:40 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 21, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
Do you think the 'suprise' promised a while back has already been seen? I can remember Greg said that it would be 'something sci-fi fan's will go nuts over.' So could it have been the new reproduction method, the multiple burstings, the "get to the choppa" line, that we see Ms Yutani and the end or something else?
I sure hope it'll be something we haven't seen yet... :-\
95% of the people who will see this movie don't sit on the internet all day long watching every clip that they can get their hands on, so for them none of the surprises have been ruined.
But the hard core fans spoil the movie for themselves by watching clips that we only suppose to be for over-seas markets, and by reading spolier reviews. I see there are over 800 views on the spoiler thread... which is really sad. Why ruin the movie like that? You'll never be able to fully enjoy it now, so what's the point?
Colin, 95% of people that see this
do sit on the internet all day long! It wouldn't have been as bad if 7, (yes 7) clips of the movie had not been shown. Plus way too much was shown in the trailers. I know you don't have any control over the marketing, so it's not your fault, but "one of the best marketing agencys in Hollywood" haven't marketed the movie, they've spolied it. Not to mention stripped it of all it's horror and suprises.
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 23, 2007, 12:58:58 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 12:34:40 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 21, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
Do you think the 'suprise' promised a while back has already been seen? I can remember Greg said that it would be 'something sci-fi fan's will go nuts over.' So could it have been the new reproduction method, the multiple burstings, the "get to the choppa" line, that we see Ms Yutani and the end or something else?
I sure hope it'll be something we haven't seen yet... :-\
95% of the people who will see this movie don't sit on the internet all day long watching every clip that they can get their hands on, so for them none of the surprises have been ruined.
But the hard core fans spoil the movie for themselves by watching clips that we only suppose to be for over-seas markets, and by reading spolier reviews. I see there are over 800 views on the spoiler thread... which is really sad. Why ruin the movie like that? You'll never be able to fully enjoy it now, so what's the point?
Colin, 95% of people that see this do sit on the internet all day long! It wouldn't have been as bad if 7, (yes 7) clips of the movie had not been shown. Plus way too much was shown in the trailers. I know you don't have any control over the marketing, so it's not your fault, but "one of the best marketing agencys in Hollywood" haven't marketed the movie, they've spolied it. Not to mention stripped it of all it's horror and suprises.
All of these websites don't add up to the hundreds of thousands and millions of people that have to see this movie to make it successful.
I know that, but you're average movie goer who see's the trailer in cinemas has already had some horror staken away. I mean when they first see Molly's dad in the movie, aren't they meant to care about him and hope that he survives? There'd be no point because they already know exactly what happens to him. Plus that scene would have been a big scare in the cinema, imagine how high people would have jumped...
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 23, 2007, 01:09:22 AM
I know that, but you're average movie goer who see's the trailer in cinemas has already had some horror staken away. I mean when they first see Molly's dad in the movie, aren't they meant to care about him and hope that he survives? There'd be no point because they already know exactly what happens to him. Plus that scene would have been a big scare in the cinema, imagine how high people would have jumped...
I agree with that. We didn't want that shot in the tailer, but at the same time we need to make an impact with the marketing. But you could say that of almost any film, where usually many of the biggest shots/moments are in the trailers.
Sure, it is all in the way the marketing of the film is handled, but more characterisation above spectacle would have been a better way of presenting the trailer.
From what I have seen of AvP-R marketing so far, it looks like a big Japanese audience targeted monster-fest with any real Human story elements pushed into the background.
I am not sure the marketing is working in the favour of telling the Human side of the story.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 01:11:56 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 23, 2007, 01:09:22 AM
I know that, but you're average movie goer who see's the trailer in cinemas has already had some horror staken away. I mean when they first see Molly's dad in the movie, aren't they meant to care about him and hope that he survives? There'd be no point because they already know exactly what happens to him. Plus that scene would have been a big scare in the cinema, imagine how high people would have jumped...
I agree with that. We didn't want that shot in the tailer, but at the same time we need to make an impact with the marketing. But you could say that of almost any film, where usually many of the biggest shots/moments are in the trailers.
That scene's good in away, it's a really good shot, one of my favourites. 8) I like it how theres only quick glimpses of the PredAlien too, that was a good move.
But do you see what I'm getting at? You say it's part horror / part action, but it's really just action now, all because of the marketing. I'm sure that there'll plently more shocks though...
Well I think you've done an awesome job Colin, despite what the naysayers think. And I hope I'm pleasantly entertained for 95 minutes in less than 48 hours when I check it out.
I also notice my local cinema has entrusted AVP-R as its tentpole release for their super sized cinema (about 1000 seats -- called 'VMAX', the largest cinema in the southern hemisphere, and I work there!!) for Boxing Day, which draws crowds of about 10,000 people! So I'll be hoping to rip as many tickets for your film as I can!
Some of you obsessive fanboys are hilarious. Contradictory at every turn... you spend 8-10 months whinging you know nothing about the film, and now you complain that you know too much (whose fault is that? YOURS, for looking!). You haven't even seen the movie in its entirety and you feel like you can already make judgments against it. And worst of all, Colin and Greg both appear to be the only directors to stand up to Fox's 'creative' script notes like the Predalien inheriting Predtech and behavioural patterns (skinning victims), and cut it out of the film. Let me assure you, winning a battle like that against Fox execs? Bloody hard.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 12:34:40 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 21, 2007, 04:59:36 PM
Do you think the 'suprise' promised a while back has already been seen? I can remember Greg said that it would be 'something sci-fi fan's will go nuts over.' So could it have been the new reproduction method, the multiple burstings, the "get to the choppa" line, that we see Ms Yutani and the end or something else?
I sure hope it'll be something we haven't seen yet... :-\
95% of the people who will see this movie don't sit on the internet all day long watching every clip that they can get their hands on, so for them none of the surprises have been ruined.
But the hard core fans spoil the movie for themselves by watching clips that we only suppose to be for over-seas markets, and by reading spolier reviews. I see there are over 800 views on the spoiler thread... which is really sad. Why ruin the movie like that? You'll never be able to fully enjoy it now, so what's the point?
Not everyone is like that. I still come to the site and enjoy it without looking at spoilers. The first 5 minutes were enough for me. Which don't you think was going a little far anyway? That was obviously for the fans!
And as a fanboy yourself you should know most geeks eat this stuff up and can't hold out. ;D
Does the amount of marketing really matter at this point...? That train left the station some time ago. The only change I can see is if they start heavily advertising on TV after the film is out.
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 23, 2007, 01:24:10 AM
I am not sure the marketing is working in the favour of telling the Human side of the story.
-Windebieste.
Okay dude, put yourself in the position of a Fox executive. You have a movie called "Aliens vs Predator". How do you advertise a movie that is clearly meant to appeal to ACTION, HORROR and SCI-FI fans? It ain't by showing extended scenes of character development -- especially when that was one of the crucial criticisms the first movie received. People want to see shit getting blown up and ripped apart, and that's what they're getting.
Besides, the population trailer (shown in all international cinemas) did show quite a bit of character development, so the 'human' side of the story has gotten plenty of exposure. Ultimately the "human side of the story" is survival against the odds, and we've clearly seen that in all the trailers.
QuoteSome of you obbsessive fanboys are hilarious.
I hope that wasn't directed at me crumbs...
The only time I've ever bitched about this was
way back when we saw the Red Band. And I'm not bitching now, I'm just saying that revealing how a main character dies is the worst mistake you can do when marketing a horror movie. It's what makes it scary and suspenseful.
hum ... I remember Paul Anderson said that people like his movies more a few years after the oficial release
I guess people who are hating this movie so much , even before watching , could change their mind a bit if take atention in minor details , forgeting any review posted here or any place , and judge the movie by their own point of view.
One trailer showing a few cast members not doing a whole lot amongst a crop of released film clips and stills doesn't amount to a lot of character development. We really haven't seen a lot of character driven narrative at this point in time.
The released material has mostly been of the 'Wolf kills Alien' content. ...and oooh Look! Wolf kills another Alien with the occasional Human bystander caught in the crossfire.. ...and, Oh, now he has a go at the Predalien. Wow. Not exactly a lot of character development there, is there... It is somewhat unbalanced, you might say.
Do you think it would have been better to have these scenes revealed to you over the course of the film ...or do you prefer the broken little tidbits tossed at the hungry public via 'YouTube' and other online media?
Good stories are always about people. Without engaging characters you don't have a good story and film is just another media for telling stories. So far, from what I have seen, the marketing of this film has been for the sake of spectacle with little regard for story.
The marketing department has allowed the tail to 'wag the dog' in this respect. I am hoping that there is a story worth telling amongst all the spectacle. Otherwise it all just becomes a big fireworks display with lots of crowd-pleasing 'Oooh!' and 'Ahhh!' response and no real content.
-Windebiestre.
Lots of character development isn't going to draw in crowds windebieste... ::)
You need to make them want to see it by showing the what the movie is about. Two aliens fighting to the death!
Sure, but we don't need to have an over-abundance of AvP encounter after AvP encounter feed to us either. It is only a 90 minute movie - the content of such is going to be limited. You have proabably seen more than you need to already in terms of action.
How about some footage regarding some character driven story to help balance out the marketing?
-Windebieste.
Indeed. I'm curious who of you will NOT go to the cinema to see this movie because they think they've already seen enough footage already?
I can't be bothered whether this movie will be a success at the box office, I really don't. All I know and care about is that I want to see this movie really really really badly anyways.
And I think that some of you just have to learn to keep your hands out of the cookie jar if you can't deal with "spoilers"...
I'm glad I spoiled myself. Otherwise I wouldn't have known the movie sucked this badly.
I stopped watching the various clips online a few weeks back - it has taken some discipline, indeed. I think that they were going to depreciate my experience of the movie so I largely ignored them since
I do want this to be a kick-arse film. I can, however, live without all of the unbalanced marketing that has revealed too much.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 12:34:40 AM
95% of the people who will see this movie don't sit on the internet all day long watching every clip that they can get their hands on, so for them none of the surprises have been ruined.
But they have seen at least the trailer (most likely) and you have to admit, there are a few more spoilers in there than really need to be. Trailers always seem to revel in money shots as though it's the only way to get people into the cinema.
QuoteBut the hard core fans spoil the movie for themselves by watching clips that we only suppose to be for over-seas markets
And as long as that kind of thinking prevails, when it's obvious that borders are no longer relevant, people will always be spoiled/oversaturated.
QuoteI see there are over 800 views on the spoiler thread... which is really sad. Why ruin the movie like that? You'll never be able to fully enjoy it now, so what's the point?
You can't fully enjoy the movie? Does that mean a repeat viewing of a non-spoiled film also loses a percentage of its enjoyability?
Also, I dare say there'd be fewer people seeking out such massive spoilers if they were anticipating "better surprises."
In the last few months, we've been privy to some...unfortunate revelations, shall we say. (From some fans' points of view at least.) For some, knowing what they're in for may be the only way to decide whether to go see it or not. I can only say for myself that if the outlook didn't look so bleak, I'd have avoided all the "major" spoilers.
Plus, there's the other problem...how are you supposed to know you're being spoiled 'til you've already watched something? Why would anyone assume that the
official marketing would so grievously spoilt the film? The 'overseas audience' line doesn't fly either, not unless you mean to say that spoiling the film for an international audience doesn't matter. I'm an international (potential) audience member, so it's okay to spoil it for me?
It's totally different seeing a movie over and over again that you had a fresh first time experience with, than seeing a movie that you had read all of the spolilers on and imagined in your head in a totally different way.
Could it be that some dont necessarily trust you, and they want to see your work to make sure that youre on the right path. I personally am gonna enjoy the movie, and am definitely seeing it opening day.
Oh and by the way, thanks for telling me about Maya. I got it and am lovin it!
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 04:09:03 AM
It's totally different seeing a movie over and over again that you had a fresh first time experience with, than seeing a movie that you had read all of the spolilers on and imagined in your head in a totally different way.
Thats true. And even though I have somewhat spoiled myself with AVP:R, I'm still gonna be in the front row at the first showing. Cuz I love what I've seen. ;)
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 04:09:03 AM
It's totally different seeing a movie over and over again that you had a fresh first time experience with, than seeing a movie that you had read all of the spolilers on and imagined in your head in a totally different way.
We're around the same age so I'm sure you can relate to this.
Don't you miss the days when all the news you had were your subscriptions to your favorite sci-fi/horror magazines to keep you updated? And that was very little info until the film was released. The only footage you would see would be TV spots to get you fired up and foaming at the gums.
Now I can watch the first five minutes of movie online. Not complaining by any means but fans are going to be fans. Especially the younger ones. I was at the age to so I know how it is.
The internet has changed everything about movies.
Some people ( like myself :D ) just cannot resist spoiling themeselves...But to me, the real thing I'm lookin forward too is seeing it all in good picture, big screen, in order, with nice loud surround sound. Not on a lil screen on the computer. The theatre will be a whole other experience. As for the "surprise" ...What were people expecting?
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 04:09:03 AM
It's totally different seeing a movie over and over again that you had a fresh first time experience with, than seeing a movie that you had read all of the spolilers on and imagined in your head in a totally different way.
I completely agree with you, but you also can't state matter of factly that a person can't possibly enjoy the film the most that they could without any kind of spoilers. Who's to say that being forewarned of something they might not like won't help them to enjoy it 'despite the flaws'? Sometimes, nerds who are set in their ways need time to adjust to something new. :)
It's also not unlike seeing a film when you're too young to understand all the subtleties. You and I are similarly aged...I'll bet you have a few cherished films that you barely liked, let alone understood when you were a kid, just as I have. The first viewings of those films didn't stop you from embracing them later. Of course, a long shelf-life doesn't help your initial box office, but that's your concern, not the audience's.
The people who enjoy the film will do so, spoilers or not. And vice versa for the dreaded "haters" of the world. ;)
Ive had to spoil myself with spoilers a little bit, come on i had to give me something for christmas also..... ;) :D
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 04:09:03 AM
It's totally different seeing a movie over and over again that you had a fresh first time experience with, than seeing a movie that you had read all of the spolilers on and imagined in your head in a totally different way.
True, but seeing the clips with poor picture and sound quality has made me want to see it on the silver screen even more! So I guess one good thing has came out of showing them...
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 23, 2007, 05:41:18 AM
It's also not unlike seeing a film when you're too young to understand all the subtleties. You and I are similarly aged...I'll bet you have a few cherished films that you barely liked, let alone understood when you were a kid, just as I have. The first viewings of those films didn't stop you from embracing them later. Of course, a long shelf-life doesn't help your initial box office, but that's your concern, not the audience's.
Definitely. I never understood Jurassic Park until I was 10. Was one of the first DVDs I got, was happily watched it then bam! It hit me. I understood why the Dinos bred.
haha, got it. the first time we ever saw ms yatuni
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ6B4nlNtzg
but that bit is ollllllllllld
Yeah...we've thought that for ages. Just recently we got actual confirmation courtesy of Fox's PR.
If Yutani corp gets hold of the predator handgun, that is a big hole in continuity...If the corporation finds out how it works and manages to produce new technology from it, how does it explain the lack of such technology in the hands of the colonial marines in Aliens...The directors said the next takes place in space, I wonder how they intend to rectify this...
Quote from: iceman on Dec 23, 2007, 03:27:30 PM
If Yutani corp gets hold of the predator handgun, that is a big hole in continuity...If the corporation finds out how it works and manages to produce new technology from it, how does it explain the lack of such technology in the hands of the colonial marines in Aliens...The directors said the next takes place in space, I wonder how they intend to rectify this...
It explains how those marines were riding around on the space ship heading to a colony on another planet.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 03:57:26 PM
It explains how those marines were riding around on the space ship heading to a colony on another planet.
it's strange, that shoulder/hand cannon was analized so carefully that it brought space travels to another level, but at the same time did nothing to improve conventional weapons. that is huge hole in the continuity, good catch iceman.
Quotehow does it explain the lack of such technology in the hands of the colonial marines in Aliens...
Hudson claims that they have a "particle beam phalanx" which is capable of "frying half a city" and he seems to indicate that it's mounted on the dropship. It's likely that the technology could be reverse engineered to a point but not directly replicated.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 23, 2007, 04:30:26 PM
Quotehow does it explain the lack of such technology in the hands of the colonial marines in Aliens...
Hudson claims that they have a "particle beam phalanx" which is capable of "frying half a city" and he seems to indicate that it's mounted on the dropship. It's likely that the technology could be reverse engineered to a point but not directly replicated.
oh yeah, i remember that. problem solved.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Dec 23, 2007, 04:30:26 PM
Quotehow does it explain the lack of such technology in the hands of the colonial marines in Aliens...
Hudson claims that they have a "particle beam phalanx" which is capable of "frying half a city" and he seems to indicate that it's mounted on the dropship. It's likely that the technology could be reverse engineered to a point but not directly replicated.
Yep. And also look at how slow the predator weapon shoots. I would rather have a machine gun that fires ten time faster with bullets that move a hundred time quicker than that plasma weapon in a fire fight.
Forever Midnight and Concrete Jungle both go on about us stealing Pred tech and using it to move us into the future.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2007, 04:37:00 PM
Forever Midnight and Concrete Jungle both go on about us stealing Pred tech and using it to move us into the future.
Yes, because we, puny primal humans, can't get there on our own in 150 years-time...! ::)
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 23, 2007, 04:41:47 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2007, 04:37:00 PM
Forever Midnight and Concrete Jungle both go on about us stealing Pred tech and using it to move us into the future.
Yes, because we, puny primal humans, can't get there on our own...! ::)
it doesn't matter, i thought only movies are considered as canon, not books, comics, games etc.
Well...it's canon now.
yup, little awkward and goofy. i know wolfs lose his weapon in terryfying fight, but it is.
The great thing about a film that is canon is that if a fan doesn't like the film, they can decide whether it is canon or not.
No...no they can't. All films are canon unless said otherwise by Fox.
I break the rules of canon. 8)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2007, 04:51:00 PM
No...no they can't. All films are canon unless said otherwise by Fox.
mhm, now we can only hope for some restart in avp franchise, like it was with batman begins, that will wipe out every previous movie from canon. maybe some day.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 23, 2007, 04:54:32 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2007, 04:51:00 PM
No...no they can't. All films are canon unless said otherwise by Fox.
mhm, now we can only hope for some restart in avp franchise, like it was with batman begins, that will wipe out every previous movie from canon. maybe some day.
I hope the AvP franchise isn't a restart...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2007, 04:48:25 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 23, 2007, 04:45:47 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2007, 04:45:04 PM
Well...it's canon now.
Wanna bet...? ;)
Sure. 'Cause we already know it happens. Easy money.
You know that just because they have a Predator handgun, it means nothing, right...?
We don't know, unless specified, that this will lead to that in an unequivocal, emphatic, empyrical way...
THAT is canon... objective sequence of events in repetitive fashion leading to another sequence of events and so on and so forth...
We know how Aliens reproduce because we have seen it happen the same way for four movies (five, counting AVP) so the first one was canon for the second, the third, the fourth...
This last scene is not canon, it does not state that this acquired weapon will in any way, shape, or form be the first step towards space travel, particle beams phalanx, etc...
We already are going that way on our own, so this 'crutch' is not welcome, in my book...It makes us, humans, stupid and uncapable of getting there on our damn own...
So, it is neither canon (it will only be canon if the next movie doesn't change it back or neglect it altogether...I know I would...) nor is it a comforting idea that we only got to space travel because of stolen Predator technology... for me, of course...
But we'll talk after you've seen the movie, Ok, Corporal...? Maybe you'll change your mind on that...;)
So much atred, joy the the world, the bad has come. . .
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 23, 2007, 04:41:47 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2007, 04:37:00 PM
Forever Midnight and Concrete Jungle both go on about us stealing Pred tech and using it to move us into the future.
Yes, because we, puny primal humans, can't get there on our own in 150 years-time...! ::)
I think someone is jelous of the predators, come one yutanidutch go out there and prove to the world that you can create all of that without alien technology.... :D
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 03:57:26 PM
It explains how those marines were riding around on the space ship heading to a colony on another planet.
Well, I suppose you've got to make up some story for your AVPR movie, but this explanation probably might work for a Predator 2 fan or an AVP fan or even maybe it might work for some Dark Horse comic book story, or a fan of computer games. I don't think it would work for maybe someone who loved the original Alien movie most of all and felt that world and maybe an Aliens fan might question it too. It probably makes me cringe as much as the episode of Star Trek where they claim that the Roswell incident was due to the Ferengi's ship crashing. I'm wondering how much Ridley Scott would wince too. I probably just don't like the Predators having any heavy effect on the Alien universe, especially more so with the new movie on the horizon. I would prefer a little more space between the two worlds and have things a little less obvious.
Well maybe all that is being revealed in this chat doesn't have much bearing with the actual movie
Never mind, just as long as we understand that the AVP universe only has as much substance as bubble gum, and the connection with the universe of Alien is only like some distorted cartoon dream, I wont be blaming the Strause brothers for anything.
Seems plausible to me...Notice how similar the Predator's ship and Nostromo's interior corridors where? Makes me wonder if that was a direct nod to Ridley.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2007, 12:21:21 AM
Seems plausible to me...Notice how similar the Predator's ship and Nostromo's interior corridors where? Makes me wonder if that was a direct nod to Ridley.
are you referring to the Predator ship in Predator 2 or AVP?
In AVP the birthing chamber in the Pyramid was a nod to the Nostromo hypersleep chamber with the layout of the cryotube
He means the interior of the AVP-R ship.
Man, nods, nods, nods. My head hurts! :P
Hmm...I can see some resemblance. I suppose they could have had the concept artist try to draw a connection.
well, the AVP Predators have introduced Mayan style to the Earth. Anderson thought that the Predator 2 ship interior looked Mayan and indeed the Nostromo interior has a strong Mayan influence
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2007, 12:21:21 AM
Seems plausible to me...Notice how similar the Predator's ship and Nostromo's interior corridors where? Makes me wonder if that was a direct nod to Ridley.
So a spaceship built in a hundred years is made to resemble a Predator ship that no human saw the inside of?
It may be a nod to Ridley, but it makes no sense as an in-universe idea. Neither does a Predator gun leading to intergalactic travel, but not to improved handheld weaponry.
Just look at terminator2. One chip and an arm changed everything faster than they could ever imagine.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 24, 2007, 02:35:17 AM
Just look at terminator2. One chip and an arm changed everything faster than they could ever imagine.
Yes, it lead them to advance computer research and artificial intelligence...it didn't help them cure cancer. Why would weapons-tech stand almost still while space exploration passed it by when the original means of reverse engineering came from a weapon?
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 24, 2007, 02:35:17 AM
Just look at terminator2. One chip and an arm changed everything faster than they could ever imagine.
Funny, i just watch Terminator 2.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 24, 2007, 02:36:27 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 24, 2007, 02:35:17 AM
Just look at terminator2. One chip and an arm changed everything faster than they could ever imagine.
Yes, it lead them to advance computer research and artificial intelligence...it didn't help them cure cancer. Why would weapons-tech stand almost still while space exploration passed it by when the original means of reverse engineering came from a weapon?
Didn't Hudson mention laser weapons?
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 24, 2007, 02:41:02 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 24, 2007, 02:36:27 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 24, 2007, 02:35:17 AM
Just look at terminator2. One chip and an arm changed everything faster than they could ever imagine.
Yes, it lead them to advance computer research and artificial intelligence...it didn't help them cure cancer. Why would weapons-tech stand almost still while space exploration passed it by when the original means of reverse engineering came from a weapon?
Didn't Hudson mention laser weapons?
Yep, he said they could vaporize a whole city.
Half a city, actually...with a targeted particle beam. But that's no nevermind. :)
They still carry good ol' fashioned projectile weapons in their hands.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 24, 2007, 02:45:16 AM
Half a city, actually. But that's no nevermind. :)
They still carry good ol' fashioned projectile weapons in their hands.
Same thing is Starship Troopers. I loved that movie, but dam I wish they had bigger guns. It took 10 minutes to kill a single bug.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 24, 2007, 02:35:17 AM
Just look at terminator2. One chip and an arm changed everything faster than they could ever imagine.
well, thank heavens that it was a terminator and not a predator otherwise you would be confused
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 24, 2007, 02:47:18 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 24, 2007, 02:45:16 AM
Half a city, actually. But that's no nevermind. :)
They still carry good ol' fashioned projectile weapons in their hands.
Same thing is Starship Troopers. I loved that movie, but dam I wish they had bigger guns. It took 10 minutes to kill a single bug.
They had a bigger gun at the end, you see one of the soldiers blowing a whole rock away with this weapon... we never saw it in the bad sequel though.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 24, 2007, 02:47:18 AM
Same thing is Starship Troopers. I loved that movie, but dam I wish they had bigger guns. It took 10 minutes to kill a single bug.
I know whatcha mean. There was no in-story excuse for them not to nuke Klendathu from orbit. But it makes for a less fun story.
(Plus, they weren't ret-conning a previous film in the series. ;) )
They did develope bigger guns in the end of the movie if I remember correctly. Hopefully we will see some of them in Starship Troppers 3, because I can't remember any new weapons in Starship Trooper 2.
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By the way, many thanks from Sweden for AVP-R Colin. Looking forward to it ;)
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 24, 2007, 02:41:02 AM
Didn't Hudson mention laser weapons?
"Particle beam phalanx" - which is not only a completely different thing to 'plasma' weapons (as in, a totally different branch of science and application), but is basically an extension of technology already studied and explored decades ago. :) It just needs enough money pumped into the refinement to make the stuff viable.
There were "phased plasma pulse rifles" mentioned, however, but quite whether they actually fired plasma or used it as part of the firing process for whatever ammunition they
do require (or energy), is quite open to interpretation.
Personally, I'd like it so that the Predator weapons are kept ambiguous, but somehow proven that they are
not based on plasma. Mostly, because it's totally unworkable for actual weapons. :)
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/PlasmaWeapons.html
And yeah, superficially fun, but the film version of '
Starship Trooopers' was really crap as an actual story. The entire planets would simply be glassed from afar.
The book version was much better
and had technological 'bugs' which were a great deal more frightening than those in the films. They were like tarantulas who discovered weapons, robotics and spaceships. The book was almost completely about boot camp, but at least that species gave the human faction a reason for having to use soldiers and stuff against them.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 24, 2007, 02:47:39 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 24, 2007, 02:35:17 AM
Just look at terminator2. One chip and an arm changed everything faster than they could ever imagine.
well, thank heavens that it was a terminator and not a predator otherwise you would be confused
thinking about Terminator 2, the think that made it interesting was the fact that they were playing with the predestination paradox, and well paradoxes are interesting. The original Alien movie's plot contained a lot of paradoxical ideas, and at the end of Alien 3 there was a paradoxical presentation of the entity by the name of Bishop II, that's a great paradox for a good number of people who took a close look at him and wondered what was going on. Actually the whole fact that we didn't really work out what was going on when Ripley was being face hugged and it didn't make much sense because of all the confusion, that seemed like a very nice anomaly too. Probably if certain events in Alien 3 were too specifically spelt out in a normal, it might be almost boring,
I like the idea of some kind of paradoxical experience that looks intelligently thought out even it if isn't really, leading towards the discovery of faster than light travel, maybe it might be contact with an extra-terrestrial race, maybe even with the race who gave faster than light technology to the predators but not the predators alone, otherwise it just makes that universe a little bit cramped
Do we need to stay at the end of the credits for something else?
Quote from: Space Disc Jockey on Dec 24, 2007, 03:58:52 AM
Do we need to stay at the end of the credits for something else?
if it turns out to be like the ending of Aliens when you can hear the facehugger scuttling, then probably yes
I wouldn't stay through the credits just to here a facehugger scuttle...
the way i always saw it was ALIEN = LION , HUMAN = PRED , IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE NOHOW OF THE GIVEN BEAST. EXPERIANCED PRED = ALOT OF DEAD ALIENS , UNARMED PRED (MEANING NO PROJECTILE WEAPONS) = DEAD PRED
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 24, 2007, 04:04:59 AM
I wouldn't stay through the credits just to here a facehugger scuttle...
if I had to write Alien 5 or AVP3 as a dumbed down story, I might even do that and I might even have to be searching all the interviews for any cheesy old joke about sequels such as comments about cloning Ripley from her fingernail clippings. I think these days since Joss Whedon made some boring joke once about publishing his many alternate endings for Alien Resurrection, I'd have to have some kind of a story where the people revived the alien race by searching through alternate reality for a timeline where the creature didn't die at the end of A:R, and that's as bad as I can think for an idea now
Quote from: thepouncer on Dec 24, 2007, 04:12:27 AM
the way i always saw it was ALIEN = LION , HUMAN = PRED , IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE NOHOW OF THE GIVEN BEAST. EXPERIANCED PRED = ALOT OF DEAD ALIENS , UNARMED PRED (MEANING NO PROJECTILE WEAPONS) = DEAD PRED
I agree....thats how i saw it.....
what about the original alien trailer?
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 12:34:40 AM
You'll never be able to fully enjoy it now, so what's the point?
I read up on every single little detail about
Alienbefore I saw it. Knew the plot backwards. Still scared the shit out of me. :-\
^haha, yeah it has that effect on people..... :D ;)
A new technology, or an alien tech weapon would be most invaluable. The materials or some would be unknown to us (not found in our reaches of solar system) like in predator 2 with unknown materials. This could be so rewarding for discovering potential reactions/potential propulsion systems.
We don't know how the pred gun fires. There are people working on developing gravity guns which can manipulate gravity for propulsion purposes (star ships). A find like a predator weapon would change everything, especially judging from the strange material shot from it and able to be charged or stored in the gun or the pack.
This would give rise to a new generation of batteries and efficient storage, a myraid of possible chemical reactions and could possibly lead after analysis of materials to discovering a branch of unknown elements via nuclear reactions.
Seriously the possibilities would be almost endless from something like that. Open your minds people.
plasma rifles? shit Hudson was talking about. This matches perfectly.
If they could develop a better system of propulsion or energy storage from the predator weapon, which I think is highly likely we could easily see the next generation of space shuttles.
Hmm I want one :o
Quote from: SiL on Dec 24, 2007, 06:58:20 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Dec 23, 2007, 12:34:40 AM
You'll never be able to fully enjoy it now, so what's the point?
I read up on every single little detail about Alienbefore I saw it. Knew the plot backwards. Still scared the shit out of me. :-\
same for me. Well Ridley Scott made a film full of interesting details that deserved looking at again and again and again, and well looking at what this online version of Colin Strause is saying, I hope this is my misunderstanding but it doesn't look as if it will be the same for AVPR.
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 23, 2007, 12:51:42 AM
Now we just have to open Google and voila! ...instantly, anyone can find details of what the creatures appearing in the movie look like. Hey, even the movie trailer I have seen in cinemas probably shows the audience too much. It aint exactly a big secret what the Predalien looks like, now is it?
it's even stuck on the Japanese poster available in one of the British magazines, it's like they're advertising another Godzilla movie with his latest opponent
Quote from: ubcool on Dec 24, 2007, 06:54:27 AM
what about the original alien trailer?
The original Alien trailer was very weird and strange.
I still haven't seen the new AVP:R trailer because I don't watch much TV and my computer is a bit slow. Nothing dragging me to the TV to try to watch it though either
Dom
I really want to see them tie in Weyland in the next movie merging with Yuntani.
Also show either Weyland as alive, cloned or whatever.
Ugh.
A nod to Alien 3 - why not?
What they need to do is add something that establishes the AVP franchise as the equivalent of Sarah Connor Chronicles to this series.
But the exploration of reverse engineering...that's something I'm not against.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 14, 2008, 09:28:31 AM
What they need to do is add something that establishes the AVP franchise as the equivalent of Sarah Connor Chronicles to this series.
But the exploration of reverse engineering...that's something I'm not against.
I'm unsure what you mean, like a TV series? or just the plot, I apologise if i sound dumb, but ive not seen that show, although it hits here next month.