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In this scenario. The prequel trilogy is finished. David's story's all wrapped up.

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At this point, all I want is narrative conclusion with David's story and an explanation of the derelict on LV-426.
"All other priorities rescinded."

(But varying creature designs helps keep things fresh, so I voted for the xenos with variations option.)

I want a follow up to Covenant that retrospectively sheds a realistic light on who the Engineers are (ie. human creations, another company who did Replicant-like creations to colonise worlds or something like that).

I want the Derelict on LV-426 to be millions of years old and of unknown origin.

I want what Prometheus aimed to do, expand the universe.  Alien is the core and I think exploring more of the mysterious side of things such as the goo or the engineers is fascinating and doesn't just make the franchise about Aliens killing people.  I'm not really sure how they would go about doing this as Covenant was originally supposed to do it with exploring the engineers home world.  At this point they have a slight chance of injecting more mystery into the universe if they conclude David's story appropriately.  They should finish what they started, but in answering where the Alien and Derelict came from they should pose a larger question or questions so that franchise can branch off from the Alien directly.  If they make more movies after finishing the prequels (if they ever get to) then I think we should get a movie that takes place after resurrection at least in the timeline of everything not necessarily following Ripley or anyone else we have seen. 

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Apr 24, 2018, 10:17:35 AM
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I want engineers, aliens, the whole damn thing.

Ridley should just make the movie he wants too.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 24, 2018, 10:40:11 PM
I want engineers, aliens, the whole damn thing.

Ridley should just make the movie he wants too.

I agree, ridley has slowly been working to the original alien, its time he goes all in. You need another option on the poll. I want what I am expecting and what ridley has led us to expect. I want more David, him finnaly perfecting the xenomorphs, and the Engineers revenge\history. I don't see how new alien variants and black goo creatures would show up in the new movie but if possible sure, throw them in. It seems Ridley has been tip toeing around what really needs to happen. IT IS TIME!

I'm way too concerned with what Ridley might do in his next movie, since I don't want any chance of him making David the space jockey from ALIEN...

Throw a "reboot" far into the future, past Alien Ressurection. New story, characters, classic aliens, no goo creatures, engineers are welcome if they want to keep it consistent with the prequels  if not bring the space jockey back.

I want a movie that can expand the alien lore while keeping the classic elements.

I would like to see the franchise return to its roots, without any of the previous players. No Ripley, Newt, Hicks, or Bishop. No retconning. Just new people and places. In my opinion, Isolation felt just about right, and was the natural narrative and stylistic direction the films should have followed. The characters were great, the style was spot on, and the alien was scary as hell. And personally, I find the seagson androids far more frightening than David ever could be. It's just my opinion, but Isolation mops the floor with every single movie featuring a xenomorph since Alien 3. It's time to move on from this road to nowhere. We could've explained the derelict by now. We could've seen the fall of the company by now. Had we have gotten something similar to Gibson's Alien 3, there's no telling what kind of money and attention this franchise would be receiving right now.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind another movie featuring the military engineers, like Prometheus. But look what happened in covenant. If the direction we're headed narratively is going to be devoid of every interesting/intelligent thing and person except David, then it's just not worth the bother. It's nice to know that David can play the flute and kiss himself, but what in heaven's name does that have to do with an Alien movie?

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 24, 2018, 10:40:11 PM
I want engineers, aliens, the whole damn thing.

Ridley should just make the movie he wants too.

In this franchise, I think Ridley does have things his way. And that, may be the problem.

I don't think that. It seems he took the criticism from Prometheus and tried to do what he wanted and please the fans at the same time in Covenant. Covenant was good but could have been amazing if he ignored the haters and did what he wanted. That weird reference to the original Alien in the ending was him trying to please the fans who love the sequels. It is obvious the Alien fans are split and he can't please both. He needs to choose a side and forget the other. If you disagree watch Covenant.

Whether it's one xenomorph or multiple xenomorphs doesn't matter.  It's the vision of the filmmakers.  Multiple aliens worked perfectly for James Cameron's Aliens because it's a war film. 

Quote from: Xenomorph60 on Apr 25, 2018, 12:54:37 AM
I don't think that. It seems he took the criticism from Prometheus and tried to do what he wanted and please the fans at the same time in Covenant. Covenant was good but could have been amazing if he ignored the haters and did what he wanted. That weird reference to the original Alien in the ending was him trying to please the fans who love the sequels. It is obvious the Alien fans are split and he can't please both. He needs to choose a side and forget the other. If you disagree watch Covenant.

It is indeed difficult to be all things to all people. I wouldn't necessarily call people who disagreed with the direction of the prequels as "haters". Even I enjoyed Prometheus for what it was. I think Ridley does indeed make the movie he wants us to see. Every frame that winds up on screen is the story he wants to tell. He is a master film-maker, and I don't see him compromising his vision for a film. But, we're all different. That's what makes for so many unique and interesting ideas and directions for this franchise. For people that like the prequels, it's a great time to be an Alien fan. I wish I felt the same way. Alas, I don't. But that's just me. I still think that wiping out the engineers like that was a poor idea though. The whole movie just felt so empty.

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Quote from: Scorpio on Apr 25, 2018, 01:00:27 AM
Whether it's one xenomorph or multiple xenomorphs doesn't matter.  It's the vision of the filmmakers.  Multiple aliens worked perfectly for James Cameron's Aliens because it's a war film.

And that, is the stone cold truth.

I would call them haters. I can't make one post without tons of people supporting the sequels and saying the prequels "ruined years of canon spin of stories". Am I the only one who sees the massive prequel hate? I love the prequels.

There is no massive prequel hate (at least around here).  Most people are able to make legitimate criticisms without descending into hate. 

Quote from: Scorpio on Apr 25, 2018, 01:00:27 AM
Whether it's one xenomorph or multiple xenomorphs doesn't matter.  It's the vision of the filmmakers.  Multiple aliens worked perfectly for James Cameron's Aliens because it's a war film. 

Rare Scorpio mention of Aliens in a positive light. This one's a keeper.

Personally, I'd go for small story, one Alien, David story finished.

or

Reboot the whole lot.

Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2018, 02:16:42 AM
There is no massive prequel hate (at least around here).  Most people are able to make legitimate criticisms without descending into hate. 

Not around here, indeed. But any other place... whew.

I can't decide what to vote for. They all sound fine to me, but right now I just want Ridley to finish his story. And I want it to be epic.

I don't want anything other than to see a sequel made.

I try not to go into films wanting them to be something in particular, its a bad idea and the reason people end up disappointed. I'd rather have an open mind and enjoy it for what it is rather than be disappointed because the film makers didn't share the same vision for the film that I did.

Having high expectations can be a problem, in fact I think that is one of many reasons why Alien 3 failed, Cameron had raised the bar too high, It was unlikely that Alien 3 was going to surpass or match it.

That said, even going in with no expectations you can still be pretty disappointed. I became cynical with the franchise after Resurrection/AVP and I still get disappointed by Prometheus and Covenant, I guess when you got Scott as a director, you tend to expect more whether you aware of it or not, especially since he is the guy who directed the first film, which was a masterpiece. Granted he wasn't alone in making that film as good as it is.

As what I want for the future...I would like to see a reboot of the AVP side of things, perhaps kept in a seperate continuity with nothing to do the previous AVP films.

And maybe, just maybe a reboot on the origins of Alien where its not really revealed where they come from or if they are natural or unnatural, only that they were used as bio-weapons. The more I think about the prequels, the more I think they shouldn't be part of the main continuity. Have it as a spin off's or an alternate take instead. Like a "what if?" story.
There is many reasons why I have come to think this way recently, namely one of them is that like Resurrection, the tones of prequels don't really fit in my opinion and they largely ignore science and plausibilty. It probably doesn't bother many of you of course but I see the first film as fairly grounded in reality and I think such a gritty tone should have been kept in the series, instead they got more and more grandiose and loose with laws of reality.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 25, 2018, 03:36:16 PM
Having high expectations can be a problem, in fact I think that is one of many reasons why Alien 3 failed, Cameron had raised the bar too high, It was unlikely that Alien 3 was going to surpass or match it.

That said, even going in with no expectations you can still be pretty disappointed. I became cynical with the franchise after Resurrection/AVP and I still get disappointed by Prometheus and Covenant, I guess when you got Scott as a director, you tend to expect more whether you aware of it or not, especially since he is the guy who directed the first film, which was a masterpiece. Granted he wasn't alone in making that film as good as it is.

As what I want for the future...I would like to see a reboot of the AVP side of things, perhaps kept in a seperate continuity with nothing to do the previous AVP films.

And maybe, just maybe a reboot on the origins of Alien where its not really revealed where they come from or if they are natural or unnatural, only that they were used as bio-weapons. The more I think about the prequels, the more I think they shouldn't be part of the main continuity. Have it as a spin off's or an alternate take instead. Like a "what if?" story.
There is many reasons why I have come to think this way recently, namely one of them is that like Resurrection, the tones of prequels don't really fit in my opinion and they largely ignore science and plausibilty. It probably doesn't bother many of you of course but I see the first film as fairly grounded in reality and I think such a gritty tone should have been kept in the series, instead they got more and more grandiose and loose with laws of reality.

Agreed, the prequels take place in a different (fake) reality.

At this point just finish what you started, Covenant should have never had xenos, if it was only Neomorphs that movie would have been 3x better

Embryos, engineers and black goo is all I ask for.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 25, 2018, 03:36:16 PM
As what I want for the future...I would like to see a reboot of the AVP side of things, perhaps kept in a seperate continuity with nothing to do the previous AVP films.

That's mainly what I want next. A new AvP, completely unrelated to the others but something more in line with the comics or the games.

Quote from: DerelictShip on Apr 25, 2018, 04:02:21 PM
At this point just finish what you started, Covenant should have never had xenos, if it was only Neomorphs that movie would have been 3x better

I wish they'd have committed to going with the Neomorphs too. Instead of shoe-horning in the Aliens at the end, go full hog and do something interesting with them.

Yeah I really wanted to see some Neomorph action on the Covenant. Too bad it never happened. The Xenomorphs felt so rushed.

I did not think the xeno was "shoe-horned" in Covenant, same reason why I didn't think the Queen in Aliens or the Newborn were shoe-horned in those films.

Practically no build up at all to their appearance, where another creature provides the main menace in the first part of the film.  Then a new creature is introduced in the 3rd act and becomes the main villain for the rest of the film.  That's the standard formula for Alien by now, shown by Aliens, Alien Resurrection and Alien Covenant.

There was a build up to the Queen.

And Resurrection makes it plainly clear that there's been genetic crossover involved. Complaints of the Alien being shoehorned into Covenant aren't about build up - it's about pushing the new creature out the way, speeding up the lifecycle (I know we can fansplain it), recycling Alien in a third the time and not really doing anything with it.

And the Queen and Newborn weren't really shoehorned, since they didn't exist prior.  The Alien did and it can be argued was shoehorned in to add extra appeal for the audience.

Well, if you want to put it that way, and each point of view is equally valid, then you could say they built up to the alien in Covenant as well through David's dialogue.

Otherwise the shoe-horned argument doesn't hold water for me - it is an Alien film regardless - how can you shoe-horn something when it's in the title?   I don't understand this line of reasoning.

You can shoehorn something that's in the title when its impact on the story being told is next to zero, making it obvious to the audience that its inclusion wasn't for the sake of the story, but rather for the sake of money. Every single scene with the Xenomorph in Covenant could've been done with the Neomorph and nobody would've noticed, which is in itself just a reskinned Xenomorph. The Xenomorph is in the film in order to advertise it; Not because someone had a story to tell that involved it.

Ridley mentioned somewhere on the bluray features that he didn't just want the alien in it.  So they added the Neomorph.  So in a way the Neomorph was shoehorned in, because it was supposed to just have aliens in it.

I picked option 4.
Despites its shortcomings I like the depth and weirdness of the prequels and would love more similar stuff. But better ofcourse.
I imagine stuff like a Apocalypto in space. But at the end a WY spaceship arrives from Earth. The locals worship black goo creatures and/or Engineers. Add strange local wildlife and perhaps a xeno egg that was somehow on the ship. I dunnow.
Always liked a little things involving archaeology like they did in AvP.

Id be Ok with a literał adaptation of The first AVP series.  They would just have to keep the aliens from getting too exposed in the sunlight.  We saw how well the old chap was in Covenant.  They need to mostly come at night.  Mostly.

Something I'd also love:
David survives and ends up on some planet with human beings who are in the ancient Mayan or Egyptian phase. He'll be like a god to them and will shape the world. Which will involve freaky horror stuff.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 26, 2018, 05:55:46 AM
Id be Ok with a literał adaptation of The first AVP series. 

You mean the comic books? Not that familiar with them. How do they go?

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Apr 27, 2018, 01:27:19 AM
You mean the comic books? Not that familiar with them. How do they go?

Space farmers have set up shop on a desert planet with two suns that the Predators use for rite of passage and seed with aliens. The predators not knowing the humans are there, and unknowing that their captive queen managed to sneak a queen egg passed their scanners, results in a huge outbreak. The young Predators go rogue and start murdering everyone when their leader get's incapacitated and captured by the humans. The young Preds get into a big brawl with the aliens until they're all basically wiped out and over run.

Some of the ideas were put into AVP 2004. Though they are inferior to to what's in the comic. Machiko and Lexx share some similarities. They both are in positions of leadership, both watch as their cohorts get picked off, both end up caught in between alien and predator, both team up with a Predator, and both receive marks. I think Machiko is a more interesting character though.

I much prefer the first encounter between all three species, as well. Machiko get's caught between the aliens and predator. The young predator in the fight basically pulls out his space-shotgun-grenade-launcher thingy and kills an alien, and then jumps into the fray to fight the aliens, like he's a badass. He immediately get's his shit wrecked by the aliens. The comic makes it clear, too, that it's because he's an inexperienced jackass. Though the face-to-face visual in the 2004 movie is nice, I always preferred the visual language of the comic panel for the first encounter. It's on an incline, with the Predator on high, Machiko climbing up the incline, and the aliens swarming from below.

Yeah the comic is the perfect story. Too late now though.  Hoping in 15 years time dudes at home are making CGI quality movies on YouTube.

Someone was before the first film came out. It got Foxed. :(

Someone needs to go to film school/college, make a few independent movies, some studio movies, get a reputation and then, pitch an AVP film to fox. Just watch out for the meddling.  :P

Working on it  ;D

The same people who disliked Covenant unironically want another AvP movie, rofl.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 27, 2018, 02:16:27 PM
Working on it  ;D

I thought you were going to give us our wooden planet Alien film.

Quote from: tleilaxu on Apr 27, 2018, 06:26:07 PM
The same people who disliked Covenant unironically want another AvP movie, rofl.

And? its not like we asking for AVP or AVPR, or indeed anything continued from them, just a reboot. The films were disasters, doesn't mean the concept is.
I am pretty sure some folks still want Alien films after Covenant, Prometheus, Resurrection and Alien 3, not to mention A:CM and pretty much any form of media that was...not quite up to scratch.

Nothing wrong or funny about it at all, one hiccup should not stop someone from hoping for a better presentation.

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Quote from: SM on Apr 25, 2018, 02:16:42 AM
There is no massive prequel hate (at least around here).  Most people are able to make legitimate criticisms without descending into hate. 

Not around here, indeed. But any other place... whew.

I can't decide what to vote for. They all sound fine to me, but right now I just want Ridley to finish his story. And I want it to be epic.

These prequels will be re-evaluated years from now after the series has gotten to another place. We are just never going to have a series of films reach this # of sequels without a chunk of people hating everything except the first 2 films.
That hate is naive but understandable, I guess.. No one can make 7 sequels that line up with what everyone/fans loved in the first. Its a catch 22, any direction is a bad direction by part 7, if youre trying to please everyone.

Years from now, people will be able to see these films more objectively. Though here I find, I agree, people are more discerning than other places.

If you ask me, they need to stay away from the aliens in the prequels, altogether. Actually, I think the solution to the series is to create a REAL prequel to Prometheus, that involves the Engineers landing on Earth 2000 years ago and bringing humans to space with them.

I think they should simultaneously move into the space surrounding Aliens and clean that shit up in a streaming series on Disney's more adult service they plan to launch, and then work in everything else.
Come up with some grand idea for what happens when the Company gets the Aliens and why. Then bring in the Engineers, keep things in a grey area but infuse with mayhem.

Why stay away from the aliens?  As a fan I want to see xenomorphs caving in heads and causing mayhem.  The stuff we got in Covenant is brilliant.  "Great stuff"

Unrealistic expectations may be cause of much of the complaints.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 02, 2018, 02:35:11 AM
Why stay away from the aliens?  As a fan I want to see xenomorphs caving in heads and causing mayhem.  The stuff we got in Covenant is brilliant.  "Great stuff"

Unrealistic expectations may be cause of much of the complaints.

Im not complaining. I actually like Covenant a great deal, apart from the last act being rushed.
I said stay away from the Aliens in the prequels because in sequence I think the reveal of the actual Alien should remain in the film ALIEN, which doesnt work if the audience already knows how the lifecycle works.
Its a moot point anyway by now, I guess. But at least the Alien in COVENANT is somewhat prototypical of the one in ALIEN.

I want a television show! 10 episode arc! Whether it's on Netflix or Disney's new platform or HBO.

I want a rated R television story arc.

That also means tv budget, though in fairness that can be enough to do its job. Game of thrones has excellent cgi.

I'll be okay with a Netflix series as long as they give it a blu-day release.

I want something physical to rub on my naked bod-
...I mean...
...to add to my collection.

A show like Better Call Saul about the fusion between Weyland and the Yutani corp could lead to some pretty interesting drama material. Just a season should be enough, depicting life on earth and how those two mega companies controlled everything. Add some interesting android material onto the mix and it could be pretty dope.

Seen some rumors saying that the enxt movie is cancelled and Ridley wont do another movie but then again I cant find a source for it, most seem to take the silence as prof that its cancelled.

Like in this video uploaded 1 day ago almost:


Although they dont show any documents or prof that its cancelled.


I´m for a final movie and see how Ridley imagine his prequel series to go.

Those guys are just spreading false rumours because they want Blomkamp's Alien 5 to get made.

Quote from: judge death on May 02, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Seen some rumors saying that the enxt movie is cancelled and Ridley wont do another movie but then again I cant find a source for it, most seem to take the silence as prof that its cancelled.

Like in this video uploaded 1 day ago almost:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piEeiZm_3Z4

Although they dont show any documents or prof that its cancelled.


I´m for a final movie and see how Ridley imagine his prequel series to go.

Hicks might jump on me for saying but, but I think this time even he can't deny that this is a clickbait video.

Quote from: judge death on May 02, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Seen some rumors saying that the enxt movie is cancelled and Ridley wont do another movie but then again I cant find a source for it, most seem to take the silence as prof that its cancelled.

Like in this video uploaded 1 day ago almost:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piEeiZm_3Z4

Although they dont show any documents or prof that its cancelled.


I´m for a final movie and see how Ridley imagine his prequel series to go.

This comes from the same guy who was salty towards the film from its release.

Waterson says she hasn't heard anything in ages, but also said she felt actors were the last to know.

ALIEN AWAKENING IS DEAD!!!11!!

Not cheap clickbait at all...

Hearing Waterson say that just lowered people's hope.

Fox didn't seem to have a problem announcing when Blomkamp's movie was cancelled.  I think Covenant 2 is just postponed indefinitely.

There has been no official announcement stating that the Covenant sequel has been cancelled. Scott is busy with Queen & Country at the moment so I assume it's either lying fallow or one or more writer/s is working on the script.

Quote from: necrotard on May 02, 2018, 09:44:53 PM
Fox didn't seem to have a problem announcing when Blomkamp's movie was cancelled.  I think Covenant 2 is just postponed indefinitely.

Fox never said that Blomkamp's movie was cancelled either.

Yep. Blomkamp effectively did though.

Yeah, Scott as well. But Fox has been mum as always.

The part about that video that I'm curious about:
One of them claims to have heard insider info about a "live action Alien" update that was supposedly going to come out on Alien Day, but got delayed...

I wonder if that turned out to be false or if something else is on the way.  It's obviously not an Alien: Awakening announcement, so what else could it be?  Not that I'm putting a lot of stock into it.

It's false.

There'll be a film, 40th anniversary of Alien next year

Quote from: necrotard on May 02, 2018, 10:37:59 PM
The part about that video that I'm curious about:
One of them claims to have heard insider info about a "live action Alien" update that was supposedly going to come out on Alien Day, but got delayed...

I wonder if that turned out to be false or if something else is on the way.  It's obviously not an Alien: Awakening announcement, so what else could it be?  Not that I'm putting a lot of stock into it.

Last year before Covenant was released I was listening to another Alien related podcast were someone had an 'insider' telling him that Fox was preparing to shoot something during fall in Sidney, and supposedly conceded with Siggy Weaver being there. They speculated that it was going to be her going to shoot Blomkamp's film. Though, as you see that rumor fell flat. when Covenant came out, they attacked it to no end, and harped on how Fox chose Scott over Blomkamp. So, I'd be careful with these people who have 'insider' info. 

Quote from: Richman678 on May 02, 2018, 05:39:38 AM
I want a television show! 10 episode arc! Whether it's on Netflix or Disney's new platform or HBO.

I want a rated R television story arc.

I think with the DISNEY acquisition, the TV series is next to inevitable. I give it 5 years max, but think they should let Ridley finish his prequel trilogy as well, with some general oversight.
They should pay Cameron (Disney is pretty tight with him, at this point) to write the storyline, for a series.

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Quote from: necrotard on May 02, 2018, 09:44:53 PM
Hearing Waterson say that just lowered people's hope.

Fox didn't seem to have a problem announcing when Blomkamp's movie was cancelled.  I think Covenant 2 is just postponed indefinitely.

I think, at this point, DISNEY is going to want so say in what comes next. I cant see them giving Scott free-reign altogether. He has met with them over SWORD IN THE STONE and the EXCALIBER series. Id be surprised if that didnt come up.
But I have to admit, I cant see FOX letting SCOTT have free reign, it's not how they work, and SCOTT has gone on the record to say that he doesnt like their model with these new SWars films.
I for one, think that exactly what SCOTTS prequels needed; a third party CREATIVE PRODUCER -someone like Kathleen Kennedy is to STAR WARS now - to guide the creative arc of the next few films, who is NOT also the director.
I have to say it - I cant see SCOTT playing ball with that situation for ALIEN.
Its a snag, me thinks.

I agree on Scott needing some oversight.

I love Ridley and I've been defending him since Covenant came out, but the more I think about where the story is going, I really struggle to figure out a way to make the next movie work logically.

Then we have the mural in Prometheus...  It was obviously intended to show the xenomorph lifecycle.  But then he changed his mind at the last minute to say David made the aliens because it was more interesting.  I know many disagree, but I personably agree with him... but it also seems to have created a continuity oversight that fans have to fansplain away.

The more I try to figure out what the next entry will be, the more I worry that Scott might be one of those people who values telling a good indivodual story over making sure it lines up with previous movies.

Maybe I'm not giving him enough credit.  Maybe he has plans for the next film that fix everything... but I bet half of this forum would laugh at that idea.

Quote from: necrotard on May 02, 2018, 10:37:59 PM
The part about that video that I'm curious about:
One of them claims to have heard insider info about a "live action Alien" update that was supposedly going to come out on Alien Day, but got delayed...

I wonder if that turned out to be false or if something else is on the way.  It's obviously not an Alien: Awakening announcement, so what else could it be?  Not that I'm putting a lot of stock into it.

"Insider info", "My sources" usually translates to clickbait-plz-love-me-long-time-while-we-gossip-to-no-end. Always take Youtubers with a grain of salt and you're never gonna be surprised/disappointed.

Quote from: CainsSon on May 03, 2018, 06:14:20 AM
I think, at this point, DISNEY is going to want so say in what comes next. I cant see them giving Scott free-reign altogether. He has met with them over SWORD IN THE STONE and the EXCALIBER series. Id be surprised if that didnt come up.
But I have to admit, I cant see FOX letting SCOTT have free reign, it's not how they work, and SCOTT has gone on the record to say that he doesnt like their model with these new SWars films.
I for one, think that exactly what SCOTTS prequels needed; a third party CREATIVE PRODUCER -someone like Kathleen Kennedy is to STAR WARS now - to guide the creative arc of the next few films, who is NOT also the director.
I have to say it - I cant see SCOTT playing ball with that situation for ALIEN.
Its a snag, me thinks.

I don't see this as a Scott problem but an issue with Disney.
Disney has a history of wanting family friendly blockbusters.
Disney had the rights to Lord of the Rings. Too dark they felt and they let it go to Warner Brothers.

Alien is science fiction horror. That genre usually has weak box office and it doesn't do well with kids.
I don't see Disney doing much with this franchise.

Maybe Disney would want to do a sword and sorcery TV series (Sword in the Stone) to compete with Game of Thrones.
But that is not a given. King Arthur: Legend of the Sword was a box office disaster.
Disney wants sure major hits like the MCU, Star Wars and with the Fox merger, Avatar.

;)

Alien isn't aimed at kids.

Quote from: SM on May 03, 2018, 10:24:43 AM
Alien isn't aimed at kids.

That's right and this is why in the past Disney hasn't done science fiction horror.
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Science_fiction_films

;)

Neither does News Corp.  Fox does though.

Quote from: SM on May 03, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
Neither does News Corp.  Fox does though.

Yes.
Once Disney gets control of the Fox movie division, we'll see what happens.
In the 90s Miramax was owned by Disney. Miramax tried to do the Lord of the Rings films. Disney said no. Too dark they believed.
We will see what Disney allows the Fox film division to do.

;)

Disney allowed for the Punisher...

Disney would do something like Aliens, AVP and maybe Prometheus.

Alien, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection or Alien Covenant is way too violent, gory and dark for Disney.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 05, 2018, 05:06:28 AM
Disney would do something like Aliens

Good.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 05, 2018, 05:06:28 AM
Disney would do something like Aliens, AVP and maybe Prometheus.

Alien, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection or Alien Covenant is way too violent, gory and dark for Disney.

Aliens had its share of gore and violence. Enough so that its for adults, not kids. Prometheus too, Disney would only do AVP.

Disney wouldn't do AvP either.  Fox would.

I don't know why Aliens is perceived as being more tame than Alien.  The mental image of whole families (including young children) suffering through agonizing deaths in the terrifying bowels of the alien nest was as horrifying as it got when I first saw it in theaters as a wee lad.

I think we've become desensitized to it over the decades, but imagine being a parent and forced to watch helplessly as your own child dies crying and screaming in pain as a chestburster erupts from their body and there's not a damn thing you can do about it because you're cocooned just like they are.

Yeah you don't need AVP-R levels of gore to show horror. Its kind of obvious in Aliens that children were killed but you don't need to see it to know it. Your imagination is enough.
Aliens got its own gore though, plenty of blood and the chestburster scene was violent (though not to Alien's level) but Cameron acknowledged this by saying he didn't want to rehash the original and that gore doesn't create terror, it creates disgusts. Or something like that, its been awhile since I watched the behind the scenes.

Aliens was loaded with tension and suspense so it didn't really need excessive gore.  Cameron nailed it and I can't help but think of Roger Ebert's classic review whenever I talk about it.

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/aliens-1986

There were a few moments in Aliens where more gore would have been good.  When the alien gets Ferro, you just see a splash of blood, which is cheap.  They did that in AVPR too, just cut away and throw some blood in front of the camera.  Lots of cheap slashers do that.

The Clemens headbite is brutal, but they could've cut away to the blood like in Aliens.  Thankfully they didn't do that.

More gore wouldn't have helped that movie at all. It was fine. We didn't need to see Ferro's head explode -- her hand spasming against the blood was plenty violent.

Quote from: Local Trouble on May 05, 2018, 11:20:45 AM
I don't know why Aliens is perceived as being more tame than Alien.  The mental image of whole families (including young children) suffering through agonizing deaths in the terrifying bowels of the alien nest was as horrifying as it got when I first saw it in theaters as a wee lad.

I think we've become desensitized to it over the decades, but imagine being a parent and forced to watch helplessly as your own child dies crying and screaming in pain as a chestburster erupts from their body and there's not a damn thing you can do about it because you're cocooned just like they are.

Nothing is terrifying about that. I could care less about somebody's dumb kid dying, it's about the tension and terror achieved in specific situations and how well the movie immerses you.

QuoteNothing is terrifying about that. I could care less about somebody's dumb kid dying

Really? :-\

I guess it depends on your life experiences. As a kid, thinking about the families at the colony was pretty scary. It was disturbing to think that other kids, like me, were going through the same thing Kane and that woman in the hive went through.

As a father, I've found its even worse to think about the death of a child, for obvious reasons.

Quote from: tleilaxu on May 05, 2018, 01:10:57 PMNothing is terrifying about that. I could care less about somebody's dumb kid dying, it's about the tension and terror achieved in specific situations and how well the movie immerses you.

Nothing is terrifying about imagining "being a parent and forced to watch helplessly as your own child dies crying and screaming in pain?"

You're a monster.

 :laugh:

But don't let that fool you, he's really an okay guy.

Quote from: 426Buddy on May 05, 2018, 01:24:14 PM

QuoteNothing is terrifying about that. I could care less about somebody's dumb kid dying

Really? :-\

I guess it depends on your life experiences. As a kid, thinking about the families at the colony was pretty scary. It was disturbing to think that other kids, like me, were going through the same thing Kane and that woman in the hive went through.

As a father, I've found its even worse to think about the death of a child, for obvious reasons.

Why would that be disturbing  ??? ?

Quote from: Local Trouble on May 05, 2018, 01:37:28 PM

Quote from: tleilaxu on May 05, 2018, 01:10:57 PMNothing is terrifying about that. I could care less about somebody's dumb kid dying, it's about the tension and terror achieved in specific situations and how well the movie immerses you.

Nothing is terrifying about imagining "being a parent and forced to watch helplessly as your own child dies crying and screaming in pain?"

You're a monster.

I'm not a parent so maybe my opinion would change if I were one, but that actually sounds more funny than scary to me. Reminds me of that scene in The Mist where the guy shoots his own family to "spare" them of the horror of dying, and then lacking a final bullet for himself watches as human troops re-take the infected area, realizing he killed his own family for no reason lmao.

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It must be a generational thing. I've noticed the younger people nowadays seem to find depictions of violence and death to be humorous. First noticed it back when they were in their teens. It's rather unsettling. When I saw Jurassic world in the theater, the 16 year olds were laughing every single time somebody got eaten. I don't get it.

Reminds me of that old scene from Gunsmoke, where some young fella named Dan Flack just shot some other young boy down, and was celebrating in the saloon. A real gunhand walks in and asks what's goin on? Sam the bartender tells him "Dan Flack just killed somebody and is celebrating", the gunhand takes his drink and says, "I remember when that used to be a reason for mourning".

Quote from: Huggs on May 05, 2018, 08:15:04 PM
It must be a generational thing. I've noticed the younger people nowadays seem to find depictions of violence and death to be humorous. First noticed it back when they were in their teens. It's rather unsettling. When I saw Jurassic world in the theater, the 16 year olds were laughing every single time somebody got eaten. I don't get it.

To be fair, most movies now-a-days don't treat death like it's anything serious.

Nobody laughs at the opening of the first Jurassic Park, because the tone of the scene is as serious as a heart attack.

In Jurassic World you had people being flung around like rag dolls and it's much more pulpy and cartoon-esque. Doesn't help that there's an incredibly heavy artifice of CGI between the audience and the actors, either.

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 05, 2018, 08:22:25 PM

Quote from: Huggs on May 05, 2018, 08:15:04 PM
It must be a generational thing. I've noticed the younger people nowadays seem to find depictions of violence and death to be humorous. First noticed it back when they were in their teens. It's rather unsettling. When I saw Jurassic world in the theater, the 16 year olds were laughing every single time somebody got eaten. I don't get it.

To be fair, most movies now-a-days don't treat death like it's anything serious.

That there, is a solid point. The thing that gets me is why anybody would find a scene like the ending of the Mist to be humorous. A man just had to murder his own child for nothing, and that's funny? I thought it was horrifying, and I'm not even a father. The weird thing is, I know several people in my community, all of them young, that would feel it was hilarious too. I can't explain it.

Some people are just unable to empathize, even when its something as disturbing as a kid being killed. I think they're called sociopaths. :laugh:

Quote from: Local Trouble on May 05, 2018, 01:37:28 PM


Nothing is terrifying about imagining "being a parent and forced to watch helplessly as your own child dies crying and screaming in pain?"

What are you talking about, that's not even in the movie.

Showing kids in peril is a cheap tactic for audience sympathy, as Gene Siskel said in his review for Aliens.

Which is why I don't like kids in horror movies, unless they meet a gruesome end like in Alien 3 (or they're evil monsters, like in Rosemary's Baby). 

I have nothing against kids but technically Newt should have been dead along with the other colonists.  Her survival is a plot hole to force the Ripley character arc. 

But I  know a lot of people like the character and wanted her to be the new Ripley.  I don't hate the character, but I am glad Alien 3 dealt with it the way it did.

Quote from: Huggs on May 05, 2018, 08:29:19 PM

Quote from: OpenMaw on May 05, 2018, 08:22:25 PM

Quote from: Huggs on May 05, 2018, 08:15:04 PM
It must be a generational thing. I've noticed the younger people nowadays seem to find depictions of violence and death to be humorous. First noticed it back when they were in their teens. It's rather unsettling. When I saw Jurassic world in the theater, the 16 year olds were laughing every single time somebody got eaten. I don't get it.

To be fair, most movies now-a-days don't treat death like it's anything serious.

That there, is a solid point. The thing that gets me is why anybody would find a scene like the ending of the Mist to be humorous. A man just had to murder his own child for nothing, and that's funny? I thought it was horrifying, and I'm not even a father. The weird thing is, I know several people in my community, all of them young, that would feel it was hilarious too. I can't explain it.

Well, to me it's weird that people don't think it's funny, that they can actually empathize with killing your own children for nothing. Maybe it's just an attitude thing, I prefer surviving at all cost personally.

Quote from: 426Buddy on May 05, 2018, 08:36:33 PM
Some people are just unable to empathize, even when its something as disturbing as a kid being killed. I think they're called sociopaths. :laugh:

You're on a site lauding space monsters killing humans, don't be so liberal with throwing around the sociopath label buddy.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 05, 2018, 09:26:05 PM
Showing kids in peril is a cheap tactic for audience sympathy, as Gene Siskel said in his review for Aliens.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 05, 2018, 09:26:05 PM
I have nothing against kids but technically Newt should have been dead along with the other colonists.  Her survival is a plot hole to force the Ripley character arc. 

I agree, it was to engage with the soccer moms in the audience.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 05, 2018, 09:26:05 PM
What are you talking about, that's not even in the movie.

That's why he said "imagining". The film provides the details to put it together in your mind,  but not the explicit information.

QuoteYou're on a site lauding space monsters killing humans, don't be so liberal with throwing around the sociopath label buddy.

As liberal as throwing around the soccer mom label ad nauseum, apropos of precisely nothing, Mr Edgy?

QuoteTo be fair, most movies now-a-days don't treat death like it's anything serious.

Now-a-days?  The 80's were wall-to-wall with people being mowed down with machine guns.

Quote from: SM on May 05, 2018, 10:10:22 PM
Now-a-days?  The 80's were wall-to-wall with people being mowed down with machine guns.

I would have figured it was understood those are antagonist mooks getting what they deserve. Not innocent human beings who get caught in a bad situation. Big difference between watching Schwarzenegger wade through a bunch of paramilitary guys and watching people getting eaten by a monster.

That's still super insensitive to death, though.

Not to mention all the slasher movies of quick, disposable teen deaths for shits and giggles.

Hollywood  has had a blase attitude to death for decades, it's not new.

I didn't realize I was turning this thread into a Voight-Kampff test.  How could I predict that there would be people who either couldn't understand the definition of "imagine" or genuinely think it's funny for children to die horribly?

I'd like to see a return to LV-223. We know there were several ships, and I'm trying to remember if there was more than one of the superstructures like the one the team first entered. I'd be interested to explore the rest of the complex, as it were. To see where the outbreak originally occurred, and possibly discover what exactly happened to the engineers there. Perhaps there were many other underground structures with different types of engineers working on things, now that we know there is a difference. If it was a scientific or military base, then surely there were more personnel than what was seen in the holo's and stacked up against the door, though there were a considerable amount. And what about that original ship from the opening of the movie? Well, perhaps it was just old tech, seeing as how it took place long before humanity. But I can't help but think there's a lot more to LV-223 that could still be discovered. Maybe it'll be reclassified and turn into lv-426 afterall. I suppose anything is possible.

At this point, I wouldn't put it past David to return to hold up Weyland's skull while reciting shakespeare.

LV-223 has already been done.  That would be backtracking.

Quote from: SM on May 05, 2018, 10:10:22 PM


Now-a-days?  The 80's were wall-to-wall with people being mowed down with machine guns.

Yes, and they were visceral, bloody bullet hits, not glamourising violence at all by not showing the consequences.

(https://i.imgur.com/VmeMmdz.gif)

Nowadays, it's more like a video game.

I loved Robocop, Total Recall and even Starship Troopers, but Paul Verhoeven's over-the-top violence and gore is virtually satirical.  I imagine an Alien movie directed by him would be even sillier than Alien Resurrection.

Verhoeven himself said the longer the gore went on, the sillier it is - and he wanted it really long.

Quote from: Huggs on May 06, 2018, 02:02:56 AM
I'd like to see a return to LV-223. We know there were several ships, and I'm trying to remember if there was more than one of the superstructures like the one the team first entered. I'd be interested to explore the rest of the complex, as it were. To see where the outbreak originally occurred, and possibly discover what exactly happened to the engineers there. Perhaps there were many other underground structures with different types of engineers working on things, now that we know there is a difference. If it was a scientific or military base, then surely there were more personnel than what was seen in the holo's and stacked up against the door, though there were a considerable amount. And what about that original ship from the opening of the movie? Well, perhaps it was just old tech, seeing as how it took place long before humanity. But I can't help but think there's a lot more to LV-223 that could still be discovered. Maybe it'll be reclassified and turn into lv-426 afterall. I suppose anything is possible.

At this point, I wouldn't put it past David to return to hold up Weyland's skull while reciting shakespeare.

I wouldn't mind seeing this but not in the form of a Covenant sequel.
Perhaps with another David model, who knows about the David. Or some android in between David and Walter if there was one.
I just love archaelogical/scientific exploration approach.

Quote from: Huggs on May 06, 2018, 02:02:56 AM
I'd like to see a return to LV-223. We know there were several ships, and I'm trying to remember if there was more than one of the superstructures like the one the team first entered. I'd be interested to explore the rest of the complex, as it were. To see where the outbreak originally occurred, and possibly discover what exactly happened to the engineers there. Perhaps there were many other underground structures with different types of engineers working on things, now that we know there is a difference. If it was a scientific or military base, then surely there were more personnel than what was seen in the holo's and stacked up against the door, though there were a considerable amount. And what about that original ship from the opening of the movie? Well, perhaps it was just old tech, seeing as how it took place long before humanity. But I can't help but think there's a lot more to LV-223 that could still be discovered. Maybe it'll be reclassified and turn into lv-426 afterall. I suppose anything is possible.

At this point, I wouldn't put it past David to return to hold up Weyland's skull while reciting shakespeare.

I'd also like to see a return to LV-223, mainly to have some extra insight onto the Engineers. Pretty much what you described, seeing more structures with labs, weapons research, you name it. And lots of hints to something above them, like a huge ass xeno creature they'd worship as a God and wanted to become as close to it as possible. I think an elegant way to reuse it was to have a crew of mercenaries/scavengers on the lookout for the Prometheus ship and consequently knowing what happened to Weyland/Vickers, since no one knows except David. There could be a huge bounty to know what happened which led desperate people to find out exactly what occurred and these (unfortunate) dudes were the ones who got there. Cue in a dormant fully-grown Deacon. Chaos unsues, some get killed, others get away but the Deacon gets into their ship. Then it would be fun if these mercenaries came across David somehow or those lost Engineers Ridley mentioned he wanted to use on Awakening.

Quote from: Scorpio on May 06, 2018, 02:46:09 AM
LV-223 has already been done.  That would be backtracking.

Quote from: SM on May 05, 2018, 10:10:22 PM


Now-a-days?  The 80's were wall-to-wall with people being mowed down with machine guns.

Yes, and they were visceral, bloody bullet hits, not glamourising violence at all by not showing the consequences.

https://i.imgur.com/VmeMmdz.gif

Nowadays, it's more like a video game.

I don't know about calling it backtracking. LV-426 was in both Alien and Aliens, and at some point, will likely serve as the penultimate or final scene of these prequels. And the stories of Alien and Aliens could not be more different, yet the same planet was used.

And what if there are other things on that rock? There may be other installations, or another engineer city, or something we've never seen before. They only landed on one small portion of it. It's possible to do more than one thing in the same location. I wouldn't say LV-223 is completely done.

Not likely that there's a city on that planet.  It was, after all, a "weapons depot."

We do know just from looking at the landing sequence that there was a lot more on that planet than just the one temple. As David said, other ships, but we can also very clearly see a row of those structures. Who knows what might be under there.


My whole thing is, again, LV-426 was a far more interesting planet than LV-233 or Planet 4. LV-426 actually had the touch of Giger that gave us this primordial ashen rock with strange geological formations. It was interesting, and different. LV-233, semi-lethal atmosphere aside, didn't really feel like an alien place to me. It felt like a glorified rock quarry.

So I see no real reason to go back there.

Of course the natural narrative progression here is to go back to where it all began. Whether that means the source of the Black Goo or back to LV-426 to bring the series full circle on itself, remains to be seen.

What do I want for the future? I'll say that I'm interested in two specific settings for an Alien story:

Xeno-diversity and Biomechanical Terraforming


(https://i.imgur.com/x1b7jya.jpg)

What if we take the ability of this iconic parasite to inherit characteristics of its host to the next level? or how about a high budget Alien movie taking place on an alien planet inhabited by an entire alien ecosystem (not related to the xenomorph species) and what would happen if we introduce this dangerous lifeform in that world? what would be the impact on the local flora and fauna? Just imagine the variety of forms and types of xenomorphs that could be born in such extraterrestrial environment.

I know you are laughing while thinking about Kenner Aliens toys, but I think it could be great if it's handled properly. I remember Cameron saying that his thanator could easily defeat a T. Rex and eat the Alien Queen for breakfast. Breakfast my ass, the alien panther would be melted by the acid or implanted with a xenomorph embryo giving life to a gargantuan version of the elegant Giger's runner capable to communicate with musical notes.

(https://i.imgur.com/j96kvlG.jpg)

I said the above because I really want to see a paradise being infested by the Xenomorphs, to the point of being terraformed and transformed into something similar to LV-426.

(https://i.imgur.com/WYbshnE.jpg)

Black Goo Spin off

(https://i.imgur.com/ixk0ofC.jpg)

Now that we know the Alien origins and the real identity of the Space Jockeys, the only remotely alien thing present in the prequels is black goo. Since despite being handled like a magical macguffin, instead of a science fiction concept, there is a lot of mystery about its origins, its true nature and its connection with the xeno-like-beings. One could say that it's like the new Space Jockey in that regard.

Is this thing of natural origin? If the answer is no, who made it? but the most important...what is it exactly? (I think David mentioned that it is a kind of AI in one of Covenant's viral videos)

Having said that, I believe that such concept can evolve into an interesting spin-off. Of course, we don't need shitty explanations (ala Midi-chlorians), but I feel that there must be a whole epic mythology behind this thing, and such story deserve to be told in some form (preferably a movie or TV series).

Engineers and/or black goo creatures in a snowy/icy environment.
Think The Terror and Game Of Thrones behind the wall. But add (ruins of) ancient structures, from Engineers or some old extinct civilization.

Little occasional "companion" creatures for 'morphs, like pilot or remora fish to sharks.
They clean the skin or feed on leftovers.

Remora fish
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Pilot fish
(https://media.buzzle.com/media/images-en/photos/fish/sharks/1200-606436-why-pilot-swim-with-sharks.jpg)

So basically you want cloverfield but with xenomorphs.

Humans: yep. Xenomorph/s: yep. Black Goo: whatever. David: f**k no.

Quote from: whiterabbit on May 14, 2018, 06:19:48 AM
So basically you want cloverfield but with xenomorphs.

Yes, because that's EXACTLY what I said!

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Quote from: whiterabbit on May 14, 2018, 06:19:48 AM
So basically you want cloverfield but with xenomorphs.

Yes, because that's EXACTLY what I said!

So what you're saying is... David is the pilot (fish)?

Embryos or riot

Bioluminescence

I imagine both a small harmless creature and a bigger dangerous 'morph being able to create a similar light.
Leading to bloody mishaps.

Edit:
I think a xeno or other type of morph being able to light up its "veins" could look pretty sweet. Maybe start of small, to attract its prey. Glowing brighter and over more parts of the body until the prey gets too close and its too late.

(https://i.imgur.com/aR95AS4.gif)

And smaller organims like the ones below could add to the atmosphere and confusion.

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I would be really interested in seeing bio-luminescence involved in the new film. Back when Milford Sound was announced as a shooting location, I remember someone posting some pictures of some incredible looking caves that was lit with bio-luminescence and it looked incredible.

I'd definitely be interested to see it in the Alien world in some fashion.

James Cameron would be happy to oblige, I bet.

Lumimorph?  :)

Yeah, a Pandoraburster.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 17, 2018, 07:56:47 AM
I would be really interested in seeing bio-luminescence involved in the new film. Back when Milford Sound was announced as a shooting location, I remember someone posting some pictures of some incredible looking caves that was lit with bio-luminescence and it looked incredible.

I'd definitely be interested to see it in the Alien world in some fashion.

Yeah, those caves looks great and their look totally fits the movies.

I also think it wouldn't be that expensive to put into practice. And not to surreal. It occurs in several organisms on Earth, both on land and in the seas.
Could be nice and cheap way to expand the 'morph universe a little bit and/or to make the scenery look more special.

Edit: the light in the last picture looks a lot like the light the Engineer recordings are made of.
And the guy coincidentally is in the Engineer cave drawing pose  ;D

(https://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2015/08/joseph-michael-glowworm-cave-photos-1.jpg)
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More Prometheus aesthetic, the space-age inspired spacesuits with a little Ron Cobb flavour are gorgeous and shouldn't be abandoned as objects in the world of Alien, if everything looks like the Nostromo it would get tiresome quickly, that's why it's nice that Alien, Aliens and A3 (Blade Runner I'd argue) all have different worlds that expand the palette but don't directly contradict it. With different, inventive approaches to retro tech.
The one thing I think we need to dial it back on is the holograms, in remote locations like spaceships and colonies they shouldn't be available due to a necessity of reliability over things being visually pleasing or unnecessarily interactive. I can forgive this in Prometheus for it being a way of showing that we're almost equals with our creators although theirs is interactive in a physical way. & That it's Peter Weyland's vehicle and exudes his arrogance and sense of entitlement.
I personally think with both Prometheus and Covenant there was immense potential, to do something that didn't require the Alien itself whatsoever.
They just needed better iterations of the script for Prometheus from a Hampton Fancher, or even David Giller and Walter Hill, anyone other than Spahits and Lindelof. At the very least I believe the ideas still have immense potential and at least we got the Neomorphs out of it, although they aren't as close to the Huante concept art as they should be.

Always thought mangroves have this otherworldly vibe.
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Above ground spike roots, mangrove forest, Thailand

Saw this in a documentary yesterday. Would make an interesting location.
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The Chocolate Hills, Philippines

I would love to see the next movie take place on a world where h2so4 is the primary solvent. Yes, oceans of acid.

After the sequel.
Maybe something like The Great White Silence but about an expedition to some Engineer planet, providing us more information about them, their society and culture.
In short: it's a documentary presented in silent movie format with a musical score added.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_White_Silence



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First off FOX needs to hurry up and use Sigourney Weaver one more time, whether that be for Neill Blomkamp's Alien film (With the torch being passed to a new actor playing Newt) or a continuation of Ripley 8's story.

David's arc definitely needs to be concluded (Preferably destroyed by an Ultramorph near the end of the film).

Sigourney Weaver should not return, ever.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Sep 27, 2018, 01:38:23 PM
First off FOX needs to hurry up and use Sigourney Weaver one more time, whether that be for Neill Blomkamp's Alien film (With the torch being passed to a new actor playing Newt) or a continuation of Ripley 8's story.

David's arc definitely needs to be concluded (Preferably destroyed by an Ultramorph near the end of the film).

I'd love to see Ripley back but neither of those ideas with her will happen.

Why would you love to see Ellen Ripley/Ripley return?

Oh no, not Weaver again.

I share the sentiment, leave the poor woman be.

Quote from: Huggs on Sep 27, 2018, 10:37:14 PM
Oh no, not Weaver again.

Yeah...

Keep that really great actress and iconic character away...

I've got nothing against Weaver. If they were making a new alien movie with her in the lead, and there hadn't been an alien movie since Aliens 86, then I'd be down for it. But we hit the point where her character had died and was being cloned just to keep her in the franchise. Alien is capable of surviving quite well without her, in my opinion.

Continuing to resurrect important characters cannot compensate for bad storytelling, it's a ploy to cash in on star power and fan nostalgia. And it often goes wrong, just look at Terminator. Ripley had a fantastic storyline, but her character is gone. Let it rest in piece.

I agree, intensely so.

A worthwhile script could create a character for an excellent actress, just as complex and compelling if not more so- than Ellen Ripley.
There's no need for Sigourney Weaver to return.

QuoteI've got nothing against Weaver.

So that was a just tiresome hyperbolic "Oh no, not Weaver again."

Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2018, 11:28:51 PM

QuoteI've got nothing against Weaver.

So that was a just tiresome hyperbolic "Oh no, not Weaver again."

I think you're reaching alittle on that one. If we were talking about Terminator, I'd naturally say "Not Arnold again". I don't want to see her in another Alien film, no. Not because I dislike her abilities and skill, which I believe are immense, but because I'd rather not see another alien film featuring her character. It's enough already. Ripley is dead. Bringing her back....again, would just reek of blatant fan service and an attempt to make money off "Sigourney vs the Alien".

If the Aliens are only ever fighting Ripley, or whatever clone, then it stops being alien an becomes something cheaper like resident evil. There's no need of it. It's like having John McClane run into another hostage situation. It's like jaws 3 and 4, only she's the shark. It's beating a long dead horse. It's gross overkill. She's been maxed out. Resurrection cloning her was pushing it too far.

All of this is (of course) my opinion. That someone else may feel differently about seeing her in another Alien movie, is quite understandable. I just personally feel that it would lessen the experience for me, as I would be distracted by what appeared to be a choice made solely for financial purposes, and not narrative ones.

What if she were to only play a small role? This would be the perfect way to pass the torch of the series to a new young female actor playing Newt.

Quote from: Huggs on Sep 27, 2018, 11:59:19 PM

Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2018, 11:28:51 PM

QuoteI've got nothing against Weaver.

So that was a just tiresome hyperbolic "Oh no, not Weaver again."

I think you're reaching alittle on that one. If we were talking about Terminator, I'd naturally say "Not Arnold again". I don't want to see her in another Alien film, no. Not because I dislike her abilities and skill, which I believe are immense, but because I'd rather not see another alien film featuring her character. It's enough already. Ripley is dead. Bringing her back....again, would just reek of blatant fan service and an attempt to make money off "Sigourney vs the Alien".

If the Aliens are only ever fighting Ripley, or whatever clone, then it stops being alien an becomes something cheaper like resident evil. There's no need of it. It's like having John McClane run into another hostage situation. It's like jaws 3 and 4, only she's the shark. It's beating a long dead horse. It's gross overkill. She's been maxed out. Resurrection cloning her was pushing it too far.

All of this is (of course) my opinion. That someone else may feel differently about seeing her in another Alien movie, is quite understandable. I just personally feel that it would lessen the experience for me, as I would be distracted by what appeared to be a choice made solely for financial purposes, and not narrative ones.

Agreed, Sigourney is a brillant actress and an awesome person, she has proved that but the Alien franchise does not need Ripley involved all the time.
There is a few problems with it too, other than her being dead of course but lets say she wasn't. what reason would she have to keep fighting the aliens all the time? The woman had nightmares about them and only agreed to go back to LV-426 to both confront her fears and attempt to wipe them all out. It would also get old as well.
As much as I am not a fan of the cloning and genetic crossing but I would more interested in seeing what Ripley 8 would be up to hence my plan to read Original Sin as it is one of the few media that goes past Resurrecton, in this case its a direct sequel.

When Isolation was first announced and the character was going to be Amanda Ripley, I thought it was just going to be so contrived and bad because they would only be having that character for the "Ripley" name. Fortunately it turned out to be good but it could have been wrong.

It had the chance to be contrived and stagnant.

But Creative Assembly made it work; with the set up- Amanda Ripley searching "In the region she went missing."
and with the crew of the Anesidora's inspection of the beacon.

With the whole Apollo and it's "Working Joes" situation on the space-station diversifying the scenario.

If she hadn't died already in 1992, I wouldn't mind her return. Bringing back a character that survived is another thing. The clone thing was as much of an asspull as that Hicks/Turk retcon. As it was her presence in Out of Shadows. Bringing her daughter on Isolation bothered me at first, but since the game was great I got over it.

Either way I wouldn't want them to do with ALIEN the fanservice they are doing on Halloween, ignoring all the sequels and making a direct sequel to the original so the main character could be back.

While the USCSS Covenant doesn't look equal scary as the Nostromo or the Sevastopol Station, I wonder if they can transform that setting in order to make a creepy set in the style of Alien Isolation; with Daniels being based on Amanda Ripley for the last prequel. Maybe the Covenant could be docked with an Engineer's vessel of some sort.

Why would you base an established character on another different established character?

A movie set within the 57 year gap between Alien and Aliens. Retro futurism like Isolation. And the original 1979 design for the Xenomorph. No tinkering with the design and making it more streamlined and organic like Covenant did.

Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2018, 10:40:24 PM
Why would you base an established character on another different established character?

Just a subjective thing, as I don't like her character too much. But I've seen Katherine Waterston in other movies, and she's a good actress, regardless. On a side note,  I was thinking about a soft reboot. 

Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Sep 28, 2018, 10:41:37 PM
A movie set within the 57 year gap between Alien and Aliens. Retro futurism like Isolation. And the original 1979 design for the Xenomorph. No tinkering with the design and making it more streamlined and organic like Covenant did.

Covenant design is only so organic because it is still a work in progress.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 28, 2018, 11:22:31 AM

Quote from: Huggs on Sep 27, 2018, 11:59:19 PM

Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2018, 11:28:51 PM

QuoteI've got nothing against Weaver.

So that was a just tiresome hyperbolic "Oh no, not Weaver again."

I think you're reaching alittle on that one. If we were talking about Terminator, I'd naturally say "Not Arnold again". I don't want to see her in another Alien film, no. Not because I dislike her abilities and skill, which I believe are immense, but because I'd rather not see another alien film featuring her character. It's enough already. Ripley is dead. Bringing her back....again, would just reek of blatant fan service and an attempt to make money off "Sigourney vs the Alien".

If the Aliens are only ever fighting Ripley, or whatever clone, then it stops being alien an becomes something cheaper like resident evil. There's no need of it. It's like having John McClane run into another hostage situation. It's like jaws 3 and 4, only she's the shark. It's beating a long dead horse. It's gross overkill. She's been maxed out. Resurrection cloning her was pushing it too far.

All of this is (of course) my opinion. That someone else may feel differently about seeing her in another Alien movie, is quite understandable. I just personally feel that it would lessen the experience for me, as I would be distracted by what appeared to be a choice made solely for financial purposes, and not narrative ones.

Agreed, Sigourney is a brillant actress and an awesome person, she has proved that but the Alien franchise does not need Ripley involved all the time.
There is a few problems with it too, other than her being dead of course but lets say she wasn't. what reason would she have to keep fighting the aliens all the time? The woman had nightmares about them and only agreed to go back to LV-426 to both confront her fears and attempt to wipe them all out. It would also get old as well.
As much as I am not a fan of the cloning and genetic crossing but I would more interested in seeing what Ripley 8 would be up to hence my plan to read Original Sin as it is one of the few media that goes past Resurrecton, in this case its a direct sequel.

When Isolation was first announced and the character was going to be Amanda Ripley, I thought it was just going to be so contrived and bad because they would only be having that character for the "Ripley" name. Fortunately it turned out to be good but it could have been wrong.

What do you mean Ripley being involved all the time?  She hasn't been involved in an Alien film in 20 years.  There've been 4 Alien films since then, and none of which compared to the level awesomeness of the first 2 films with Ripley in them.  Instead all 4 films had lead character heroines who were inspired by Ripley with consistently lackluster results.

Ain't nothing like the real thing Baby!

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 29, 2018, 04:15:00 AM

Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Sep 28, 2018, 10:41:37 PM
A movie set within the 57 year gap between Alien and Aliens. Retro futurism like Isolation. And the original 1979 design for the Xenomorph. No tinkering with the design and making it more streamlined and organic like Covenant did.

Covenant design is only so organic because it is still a work in progress.

I want the biomechanical Alien so hard, that I don't care if they changes some minor details like legs or hands. The problem though, is that nobody cares outsides the Alien fandom. I could be wrong though.  :-\

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 29, 2018, 04:35:55 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 28, 2018, 11:22:31 AM

Quote from: Huggs on Sep 27, 2018, 11:59:19 PM

Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2018, 11:28:51 PM

QuoteI've got nothing against Weaver.

So that was a just tiresome hyperbolic "Oh no, not Weaver again."

I think you're reaching alittle on that one. If we were talking about Terminator, I'd naturally say "Not Arnold again". I don't want to see her in another Alien film, no. Not because I dislike her abilities and skill, which I believe are immense, but because I'd rather not see another alien film featuring her character. It's enough already. Ripley is dead. Bringing her back....again, would just reek of blatant fan service and an attempt to make money off "Sigourney vs the Alien".

If the Aliens are only ever fighting Ripley, or whatever clone, then it stops being alien an becomes something cheaper like resident evil. There's no need of it. It's like having John McClane run into another hostage situation. It's like jaws 3 and 4, only she's the shark. It's beating a long dead horse. It's gross overkill. She's been maxed out. Resurrection cloning her was pushing it too far.

All of this is (of course) my opinion. That someone else may feel differently about seeing her in another Alien movie, is quite understandable. I just personally feel that it would lessen the experience for me, as I would be distracted by what appeared to be a choice made solely for financial purposes, and not narrative ones.

Agreed, Sigourney is a brillant actress and an awesome person, she has proved that but the Alien franchise does not need Ripley involved all the time.
There is a few problems with it too, other than her being dead of course but lets say she wasn't. what reason would she have to keep fighting the aliens all the time? The woman had nightmares about them and only agreed to go back to LV-426 to both confront her fears and attempt to wipe them all out. It would also get old as well.
As much as I am not a fan of the cloning and genetic crossing but I would more interested in seeing what Ripley 8 would be up to hence my plan to read Original Sin as it is one of the few media that goes past Resurrecton, in this case its a direct sequel.

When Isolation was first announced and the character was going to be Amanda Ripley, I thought it was just going to be so contrived and bad because they would only be having that character for the "Ripley" name. Fortunately it turned out to be good but it could have been wrong.

What do you mean Ripley being involved all the time?  She hasn't been involved in an Alien film in 20 years.  There've been 4 Alien films since then, and none of which compared to the level awesomeness of the first 2 films with Ripley in them.  Instead all 4 films had lead character heroines who were inspired by Ripley with consistently lackluster results.

Ain't nothing like the real thing Baby!

You have Harrison Ford playing his iconic role again in "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" and "Blade Runner 2049". One movie is better than the other, because of the writing.  :P

I'm going to piss off a lot of people with this opinion, but screw it. The Alien should embody the world we live in, and it should be that David was right in his design, it is the perfect capitalist organism, the perfect product, the perfect machine. Nothing generates money like death. Just look at god damn Yemen. He realizes this world of humans is one where the poor die, the rich live, and he is but a humble servant. He wants to build something new, something succecfull, in this world of humans. Something that out competes them in the market they are dominated by. A creature that represents everything wrong in our world, and everything right in the eyes of David. His brain is based on an industrialist Ford type after all.

I want them to cut the bs and just show the Alien for what it is, the embodiment of unchained technocracy, the perfect man. David was only a prototype, he understood this. The perfect Aryan dream, the perfect solution to capitalism in inevitable crisis, is a machine that rapes, f**ks, and kills. It is the perfect organism to androids because they're all designed by corporations with their interests in mind. That said, they are drawn to to it because, simply, it embodies this technocratic world of poverty always one step away from fascism. Fascism being, of course, capitalism in crisis.

I want them to go for it and tie it up by saying that, well, we really are no different than the Engineers. Big dreams, big mistakes, ironic ends.

Making the Alien an Arronofsky Requiem For A Dream, The West's fascination with purity that never came and will never come, an embodiment of the technocratic paranoia of 1979's Alien. Ripley is trapped in a technocratic hell, confronting the spawn of the dreams of the creation of an irresponsible industrialist.

And much more eerie, it represents our own, we are mostly all headed towards poverty, debt, and pain. The world we were promised by our parents (Weyland's promises) ended up in the end being bullshit. This world is predictably malevolent. What better way to represent our world than the beast? The perfect man who exceeds at its own capital far more efficiently than any "disgusting human" in the eyes of the artificial man. If David is the Aryan, the beast is the conclusion. "I admire its purity"

If Alien in 1979 represents the consequences of capitalism in crisis and paranoia at the time (Watergate, Nixon, White Nationalism fighting Hippies, The Cold War, fear of Nuclear Death, anti war protests, Vietnam, the birth of the information age), then the Alien embodies the violence of that period and now perfectly.

Ridley understands that Alien is a film that lives in the shadow of the 70's. A time of constant turmoil and tragedy and paranoia and change that may not be as positive as we hope. A turning point where the military industrial complex truly organized, but they lost to guerilla warfare, asymmetrical warfare. David is doing what his Henry Ford like father always wanted, creating the perfect man for his perfect system he ruled over like a king. He realized he was not the perfect man, so he created Davids. David 8 was designed with limitations, subtle, but there. He was not perfect, in the eyes of the god who created him, or the god that created his own god. Capitalism at the point David realizes what humans are, realizes it requires large amounts of lives to be sacrificed to colonize space. David became obsessed with creating the perfect image of something that can not only thrive in such cross planetary conditions, but represent human life perfected, himself perfected. Something that also sacrifices human lives, but embodied.

David's drawings are not the work of a mentally ill android, they are the works of a machine that perfectly understands what the world of Alien is, he just wants to father progeny that can succeed better than any human could. Nobody would agree to that, so rape is a good place to start. The Alien being the rape of the future, figuratively, is a perfect place to end on. David is the product of irresponsibility and the dreams of a technocrat Henry Ford, who loves Aryan features and also coincidentally listens to Wagner. He designed David's brain in his own image. Weyland believed in something more. David wants to fulfill his dream, conscious or not. And create something truly more successful than any android or man[./i] What's the best way to insure your perfect genes survive in colonization, without dealing with the in between, that nasty thing humans call love. Rape of course. The alien, if designed by an android, should be truly, the biomechanical representation of their world, and ours. The powers that be do not care if we live or die and they control every aspect of our lives, and even want to control our sex, but they'll lie and say "Oh we love female CEOs, we love our gay CEOs, we love CEOs, but if you're in poverty in our system, it's your own fault. That uterus is under jurisdiction of the United States by the way, hope your state doesn't force you to have a funeral for your stillborn like Indiana does! Oh and if you're a guy, well, we still don't give a f**k if you live or die either. Our perfect world, unquestionable and bright, requires some cracked eggs, some sacrifices for our market. Our engineered tragedy is just human nature isn't it? The Off World Colonies, a chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!". Sounds very specific.

I don't think many people will get what I'm saying, and some will and will dislike it, and hate it. But the fact is Alien has always been anti authoritarian, be it state or capital. Well, now the two are merged more than they've been in a century, that makes you scared. You can have cancer in America and never get the coverage you need. I doubt colonizing space will be cheery if history tells us anything. The Engineers were religious technocrats with their heads in the clouds, and so are we in Alien, just less religious. Seems like nothing changed and the themes are just as relevant now as they were then. I want them to just up and say, none of you watching this are going to make it in life, and in fact; the Alien, the rapist, the destroyer, is the embodiment of the world we live in. It ties up nicely with the techno-punk paranoid story of the first film. The beast is ghost in the machine of our lives. Our unconscious desires for success, family, and our fears of the world that might f**k us like we want to f**k to get ahead, too. Nail it f**king down this thing is evil simply because it is more human than human.

I want the Alien to be offensive to our sensibilities again, controversial, and pissing off the protestants, and well to do families with MAGA hats waving about the degenerates (HR Giger would have hated these people). I want it to make us all cross our legs, in a modern context but just like 1979. Make it hit more close to home. Make it the representation of where our world is headed, a world that won't cry when you and your family die poor, and stuck in a web. Simply, it should make it very apparent, we live in the world of the xenomorph, we are all being abused and it doesn't need to exist, humans can do it all the same. But when it does appear, I want it to horrify that it is simply us without the filter. The Xenomorph lives to be the master race capitalism always secretly dreams up after all, the beast lives in a world without poverty ;). David gave us what we strive to be.. That should be the end. A brutal realization we live in the world of violation. And we will never escape.

That is the Alien I want, one that pisses off enough people who know it deep down it is to be somewhat true to all our lives, to boycott it. I want it to tell its audience we are f**king meat for the grinder of both worlds of unrestricted capitalism. I want Americans of the type that protested in '79 to say it's from Satan again, say it's evil, say it represents contempt of our way of life just like in good old 79'. The Xenomorph is the mascot of our world, our global market, and our personal lives within it.

It represents it all with a big grin, a smile, and a hard on.

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This is the superlative statement I've seen on the nature of this creature.

You've articulated it, the point- with a razor truthful sharp edge.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 02, 2018, 05:04:45 AM
This is the superlative statement I've seen on the nature of this creature.

You've articulated it, the point- with a razor truthful sharp edge.

Well, it was never meant to be "just a monster", which is what it's become. I wouldn't even say sadly, it's ironic and funny as hell we're all selling HR Giger halloween costumes of a rape monster that represents the worst of mankind to kids. We all got our priorities straight!

Sex sells.

QuoteWell, it was never meant to be "just a monster",

Pretty sure it was.

Quote from: SM on Oct 02, 2018, 06:36:55 AM

QuoteWell, it was never meant to be "just a monster",

Pretty sure it was.

(https://www.cutthecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/original-alien.jpg)

I was mistaken

It intended to be a Roger Corman film, it transformed into a Ridley Scott one.

Much the same, is the Alien itself.

I'm really missing the subtext on this one, can someone explain why this spider has a worm in his mouth? ???

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Your filthy mind is seeing things that obviously aren't there.

Quote from: SM on Oct 02, 2018, 07:01:09 AM
Your filthy mind is seeing things that obviously aren't there.

It was a friendly handshake

Quote from: NetworkATTH on Oct 02, 2018, 05:52:31 AM
Well, it was never meant to be "just a monster", which is what it's become. I wouldn't even say sadly, it's ironic and funny as hell we're all selling HR Giger halloween costumes of a rape monster that represents the worst of mankind to kids. We all got our priorities straight!

The irony here is that they did this when the first film was first released, and stopped doing that :P

In my most hopeful and happy heavenly dreams, no studio interference, give it to Guillermo del Toro to finish off the the last of the three. Let Ridley do Merlin or whatever else is on his insanely packed schedule that honestly hurts a lot of pre-production time they could have.

That's never going to happen though, just dreams like his team up with James Cameron for At The Mountain of Madness. Actually that was a nightmare, whoever axed that can f**k off to Antarctica themselves

After two good but not great Hellboys and the average Pacific Rim - I find Del Toro a bit overrated.  Granted I haven't seen Shape of Water so perhaps that was an improvement.

Quote from: SM on Oct 02, 2018, 11:24:57 AM
After two good but not great Hellboys and the average Pacific Rim - I find Del Toro a bit overrated.  Granted I haven't seen Shape of Water so perhaps that was an improvement.

There is two del Toro's. One that is serious, one that is silly and wants to eat candy on the beach. When he adapts or makes a movie about a silly genre,or property, yeah it's going to be candy on the beach del Toro. It can be obnoxious. At the same time when he is actually serious, he is an incredibly potent director.

Pan's Labyrinth and The Shape of Water are two of those movies, Pan's Labryinth in particular is one of my favorite movies. It handles the Spanish Civil War, the escapism of a young girl in a fascist state, and ultimately her demise. Child death is nothing to take lightly. But it feels appropriate. It's one of the few films that shows the Spanish nationalists were a bunch of bastards, and the libertines, anarchists, and socialists, were actually not vile evil murderous monstrous communists like you would expect the Hollywood bottom line to represent them as.

I like one of del Toro's quotes, I could be wrong, and I believe it was from his twitter, it went something like "Movie monsters are not there to be thrown to the side and shot at, they're the stars of the movie. If you don't make sure that every little scale or hair or blemish is there, you're doing your audience a disservice, nobody wants to come to a movie that's just about shooting monsters." Now I butchered the quote because I can't find it, but it was something along those lines. You have to understand that he rarely gets work, it's the sillier projects that get greenlit more often because, well, studios think they'll line the seats more. But he is a very talented film maker, and that quote is really just right there in the problems of the Alien prequels. Especially Covenant.

I was just throwing it as a joke, but he respects horror too much for it to be one of his more studio friendly movies, he wouldn't do it otherwise. He would 100% nail a Carlos Huante drawing straight from the screen to the set without much CGI. Which is a weakness of Ridley Scott really, he relies far too much on realism. The Big Chap was hardly realistic looking, the end proved it. But it's the way it moved and the way it was cut sold it. We're a lot farther now than we were in 1978, and del Toro is right when he says that people come to monster movies to enjoy the monster.

I was really just joking about the idea, but given it's a movie he's passionate and serious about, I'm fairly sure it would be better than what we've got.

Quote from: NetworkATTH on Oct 02, 2018, 09:40:06 AM
That's never going to happen though, just dreams like his team up with James Cameron for At The Mountain of Madness. Actually that was a nightmare, whoever axed that can f**k off to Antarctica themselves

After reading Del Toro's ATMOM script, I'm a little glad it didn't happen. Sure it was an early draft. But it shows his mind isn't in the right place when it comes to this story.
He changed the core turning it into an action horror flick. Would've been The Things vs Other Things with humans caught in the middle.
Even think there was a giant Cthulhu at the end of the story. So no thanks.
If he wants to do a loose adaptation, involving elements from other Lovecraft tales, fine. But at least change the title.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 02, 2018, 04:57:07 PM

Quote from: NetworkATTH on Oct 02, 2018, 09:40:06 AM
That's never going to happen though, just dreams like his team up with James Cameron for At The Mountain of Madness. Actually that was a nightmare, whoever axed that can f**k off to Antarctica themselves

After reading Del Toro's ATMOM script, I'm a little glad it didn't happen. Sure it was an early draft. But it shows his mind isn't in the right place when it comes to this story.
He changed the core turning it into an action horror flick. Would've been The Things vs Other Things with humans caught in the middle.
Even think there was a giant Cthulhu at the end of the story. So no thanks.
If he wants to do a loose adaptation, involving elements from other Lovecraft tales, fine. But at least change the title.

I mean, what really is Lovecraft, if you go too far in the mystery direction, it gets too serious for its own good considering the tentacled monstrosities that fostered Earth and their city filled with constantly mutating black blobs of flesh we're talking about...it can get Prometheus levels fast. On the other hand, if you just make it a horror movie, sure I mean people are going to be like "Oh it's just like the thing skip it", and they're not wrong. Lovecraft inspired way too much scifi for his own good considering he was so racist he hated the f**king Irish and believed them a sub-species of ancient man, just out of his way racist enough that 1920's America said "chill". Do I need to even mention what he named his f**king cat because it was black. I think the ultimate death of the project was that you can't make a Lovecraft movie actually. On top of the controversy of adapting his work, (considering he was on a surface level, an antisocial treat boy who got left in New York and gained some interesting opinions on race) and the fact his work is public domain and science fiction has always been loose with originality increasingly and could just get the details of it off wikipedia and draft that shit into some other movie cough cough prometheus cough cough

Now that I think it's genuinely hard to make a Lovecraft movie in general. I mean Shadow over Insmouth references, I'm quoting broadly here, "tanned tribal island women who knew no better than to bed a fish". I know that's not word for word but that's basically the jist of it Mountains of Madness had giant pale bald carnivorous toothed penguins. There's just no way you can make that work, they just waddle at you and bite you, sucks but you were slower than a fat blubbery penguin. The only man who really adapted his work for a modern audience well was Alan Moore, and that should tell you something since he loathes film.

I'm not saying Lovecraft's work is bad, it can be chilling, but...I think this is less a problem with del Toro and more a general problem we've done Lovecraft to death already without calling it Lovecraft and all the baggage associated with his name. The studio probably looked at the guy and wondered if associating their name with his name might be bad for PR

Going off on a giant tangent here, but I just think adapting Lovecraft straight would either smack of originality because we've done his ideas to death, get too close to ancient aliens pretension, or the trouble of saying "HP Lovecraft was a genius with good ideas" when he constantly made mention that Blacks were dumb conspiring animals and the Irish were slack jawed and Pacific Islanders let their women be ritualistically raped by fish. An executive is going to look at all this and just wonder "what in the f**k"

Quote from: NetworkATTH on Oct 02, 2018, 10:22:09 PM
I mean, what really is Lovecraft

Mystery, research/exploration, ancient (cosmic) horror, no romance and usually a "downer" ending.

Quote from: NetworkATTH on Oct 02, 2018, 10:22:09 PM
Now that I think it's genuinely hard to make a Lovecraft movie in general. I mean Shadow over Insmouth references, I'm quoting broadly here, "tanned tribal island women who knew no better than to bed a fish". I know that's not word for word but that's basically the jist of it Mountains of Madness had giant pale bald carnivorous toothed penguins. There's just no way you can make that work, they just waddle at you and bite you, sucks but you were slower than a fat blubbery penguin. The only man who really adapted his work for a modern audience well was Alan Moore, and that should tell you something since he loathes film.

Remove the racism/sexism from the dialogue or narration. It's not that hard.

Don't see the big deal about the pinguins. As far as I remember they were no threat to humans. There's chapter where they run away, indicating danger up ahead. So in general, just an unknown penguin species in its natural habitat.

Quote from: NetworkATTH on Oct 02, 2018, 10:22:09 PM
I'm not saying Lovecraft's work is bad, it can be chilling, but...I think this is less a problem with del Toro and more a general problem we've done Lovecraft to death already without calling it Lovecraft and all the baggage associated with his name. The studio probably looked at the guy and wondered if associating their name with his name might be bad for PR

Done do death? Dunnow. Certainly not that many who done it right.

Quote from: NetworkATTH on Oct 02, 2018, 10:22:09 PM
Going off on a giant tangent here, but I just think adapting Lovecraft straight would either smack of originality because we've done his ideas to death, get too close to ancient aliens pretension, or the trouble of saying "HP Lovecraft was a genius with good ideas" when he constantly made mention that Blacks were dumb conspiring animals and the Irish were slack jawed and Pacific Islanders let their women be ritualistically raped by fish. An executive is going to look at all this and just wonder "what in the f**k"

Doesn't have to be that original, as long as it's quality. Besides, what's original these days?
And I'm quite sure someone pitching a Lovecraft movie would word things different than you  :laugh:

I believe "Lovecraft" concept still has potential, it's in the execution.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 03, 2018, 01:00:04 AM
I believe "Lovecraft" concept still has potential, it's in the execution.

Word.

Carpenter did great with The Thing, Prince Of Darkness, Into The Mouth Of Madness and Cigarette Burns.
Polanski's The Ninth Gate is excellent. Dan O' Bannon's The Resurrected is quite good.

Colonial Marines: The Musical

Just think of the possibilities.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 03, 2018, 01:50:35 AM

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I believe "Lovecraft" concept still has potential, it's in the execution.

Word.

Carpenter did great with The Thing, Prince Of Darkness, Into The Mouth Of Madness and Cigarette Burns.
Polanski's The Ninth Gate is excellent. Dan O' Bannon's The Resurrected is quite good.

In my honest opinion, Lovecraft was dealt best with John Carpenter, particularly The Thing. Though, it's based on a novel aping Lovecraft's appeal, you have to understand, what exactly is horrifying about Lovecraft? It's the loss of control of the self, to a more bestial nature that drives one mad, blind, and dumb. Now, there's a lot of uncomfortable racial subtext in Lovecraft's writing, particularly I think, in the idea that one should fear every other imaginable less they become degenerative. That is the subtext, it can be avoided. And really, I think the closest thing we get to that feeling without getting too psychological and pretentious about it, was The Thing. It had all the elements of Lovecraftian horror, and some of the things unsaid. The "unspeakable horror" so often mentioned, given context in 1920's America, from the point of view of a very socially isolated bigoted man, was probably sex and gore. He was trying to articulate in my opinion, murder and violence of the time (well besides him believing it a racial issue) was a kind of madness that surrounded him in New York. Something so alien to him, that people can be "turned" to sympathize with the other who he thinks is nothing but a killing machine.

The unspoken rule I think is that the horror isn't the unknown but the known, the body, the things Lovecraft obviously was uncomfortable about. He was not writing well crafted stories so much as writing disturbing narratives of how he felt alone in New York, a city he hated. Full of all sorts of "madness" in his mind. It's not just gore, it's paranoia. Who is and who isn't. The Thing did that perfectly, if people want to ape Lovecraft, they have to understand that the very xenophobia he carried with him until he died was the primary motivating factor of most of his work, you can't just bypass it completely, the social paranoia is part of what makes his stories so uncomfortable. And people have to admit that it's born from not fear of the unknown of space, but fear of the unknown around him. That was just as alien to him as space. His protagonists usually come from "good new england stock", which he found to be "the perfected people". That aspect of his writing shouldn't be ignored, I think a good way to adapt it is to not ignore it, but flip it on its head and make social commentary about Lovecraft's very estranged-from-mankind thesis of his novellas themselves, make the paranoia what we fear today. Not race so much as lack of economic control and uncertainty about the future. Alan Moore did this, and he did a great job.

To understand Lovecraft the writer, you have to understand Lovecraft the man, and his stories, while seeming simplistic on the surface, are incredibly reactionary tales of the dangers of trusting the Other, the Alien. It's disturbing sure, but we're at a point where people might not respond to a straight Lovecraft adaptation, because people like Lovecraft no longer exist in sufficient quantity. People fear the Other en masse, sure. But I guess what I'm trying to say is structurally it would be hard to make a Lovecraftian movie without having audience disconnect from the nature of the fear Lovecraft had of mankind. A both rationally skeptical view that we will make mistakes, his words about science going too far echo into not too distant future after his death of the first atomic bomb detonation in White Sands.

The question is, how do you translate the fear of a 1920's fascist sympathizer into a scary movie. I would just say, hell, throw away the instruction manual and try something new ourselves instead of relying on his work so often in scifi horror. Maybe not totally, but conservatively at least. I love his work, but it is the writings of a scared shut in losing his grasp. I think faithfully adapting the themes for today is a lot more difficult a challenge than you imagine

The racial subtext could now become part of the historic setting. People really were racist back then.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 03, 2018, 05:12:38 AM
The racial subtext could now become part of the historic setting. People really were racist back then.

Lovecraft was racist even for his time. He was 19th century skull measuring racist. He would send letters of heated disagreement with local papers about inclusion of certain groups of the population, that included what even then they considered white. White spaniards, the Irish, don't get him started on the slavs and the italians. It's hilarious how many groups Lovecraft really despised for whatever reason.

Anyways I've always thought a prequel to Alien should step away from the Lovecraftian angle and be a bit more, I don't know, emotional. Have more of a soul. There was an attempt, with Shaw, but it didn't hit. For me, I brought up del Toro because when I first heard they were making a prequel, I thought they should do something different than monsters in hallways. Pan's Labryinth is a horror movie, it feels like a drama, but it's about the death of a child. The prequel of Alien really should have had that similar emotional weight to it, since we're dealing with a topic like rape, it shouldn't be just rape for rapes sake, it should be an exploration of the reasoning, and it should make you sad and uncomfortable. Distancing themselves from it, from a dramatic and thematic stand point for the characters, does no favors. Prometheus has great set pieces, but it's just so chaotic it never focuses on the real question.

What is it, why does it, who will it. What awaits.

It feels less like a stab wound and more like a scatter shot shotgun blast of ideas. The sexual aspects of rape were just there for scares. This isn't a topic you approach, just for f**king scares. It's rape, molestation, violation, it's heavy. Not just what scary monster comes next, it is heavy. There's no real exploration of how the characters deal with these problems. Even if it's a parasite, the subtext is clear, and they just make it a slasher movie. I've realized that's never what I wanted. I wanted something with the gravity of the inception of all this horror and loss, not a buckshot of scenes featuring sexual elements, going far too fast for us to focus on the individual struggles of encountering abuse.

This is why del Toro, is a better horror film maker when he tries, than Ridley Scott currently is. I'm making the comparison because both are about heavy subjects, one rape and parental abuse, one the death of a child. It's almost sickening they kept thinking of action set pieces featuring all of it, and not, you know, focusing on the gravity of what is going on. Shaw should have died at the end, there should have been some sort of gravity and sadness. There's nothing close, it's action set pieces inappropriate to the tone of a prologue to the first movie. It's rationalizing events, not themes. It's showing us scary Others, not explaining why they are, Other. One takes its time to establish what the other is, and how the tragedy happened. The other tells us where a sequel will be headed in a story that promised to explain the themes of molestation in Alien, which aren't throw away. It is the entire thesis of the 1979 film, Alien, that they're trying to jump to. One did it right, one treated such heavy material entirely without thinking first and wondering what monsters they could make. Ultimately I'm making this comparison because unfortunately, both deal with tragedy, but only one has a soul to tackle it.

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I feel like, with something as describing the birth of something so vile and so destructive as the Alien, it should be given that sort of weight. I'm not saying children need to die in an Alien movie, I just feel like, they could have done something different. Distancing itself from the Lovecraftian angle of moving away from the other, and maybe embracing it. Make it just as horrific as it is tragic. I know some people think the prequels have that down, but they don't make me feel any emotion, really.

What I want from an Alien prequel, is by the end, I want to cry. I want to feel repulsed and saddened. That's the only way this ends. There's too much action in these prequels to focus on the slowness because they want it to be like Aliens and Alien, they want to have their cake and eat it too for the audience as fan service. At this point, I don't like any of the scripts or ideas.

This should have been a focus on the impact of humanity and its dark side. Where does one end and one begin. And it has to end in tragedy. Almost fairy tale like, so it leads to the 1979 film and you feel, new emotions about the nature of it all. Over the years I've finally come to the conclusion why I felt conflicted about the prequels, and that's they don't do what a prologue should do. They're just all over the place with ideas and concepts. Honestly, I expected to cry, I just sat there as a fan for so long trying to make sense of it to make it seem emotional. But. it's not. These movies are missing a heart. They're embracing the high octane popcorn chewing OH SHIT moments and they don't even stick, and it's a giant waste of creative talent.  You can make a story without resorting to monsters and spacesuits. Lovecraftian beasties and guns. It defeats the purpose of even trying to explain why the Alien is the way it is on an emotional level. There's no reason for the audience to care if it's just what we've already seen and not a somber gothic horror story it always was. Where did that horror come from? Why is it our negative half, our banal psychosexual reproductive urge? Doesn't matter it's just a monster. Why kill off so many characters so soon? Doesn't matter it's a slasher movie. Why add so many characters in an already complicated screenplay? Doesn't matter. That is not how you deal with these themes. Worse, they've been done better, hey you even made the first movie and understood that. What happened in between time?

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I expected something different than a celebration of what we've seen elsewhere too many times, and not a real tragic story that leads into the first film's themes of rape and loss. I hope what I'm saying makes sense.

Yea we get what you're saying, it's just that all Ridley Scott heard was "more funk-dunky aliens". :)

Alien: Island or something like that.

A (human) transport ship crashlands on a tropical island on some planet. Among the cargo is a batch of xeno eggs. A facehugger infects a human or animal that leads to a queen. Some remaining eggs infect a couple of local animals, resulting in cool new xeno varations that will surprise us later on.
Typical Alien stuff ensues.

Possible endings:
-Ship gets fixed and survivors escape. Egg or new xeno variant on board optional.
-Rescue ships arrives and survivors escape. Egg or new xeno variant on board optional.
-Rescue ship arrives but crashes. Survivors are stuck. Camera zooms out, island appears big than at first though, maybe we some kind of construction.
-Survivors escape on a raft and manage to reach another island. Later on we see an egg drifting across the sea. Or a new xeno variation swimming or flying across the ocean.

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And in any movie that's set on a planet, I'd like showings of how weird/brutal nature can be. Doesn't have to be dangerous for humans or be related to a storyline. It would mainly serve to add to the atmosphere.

Stuff like this:
https://twitter.com/TheScaryNature
https://www.instagram.com/natureisscary/

Weyland X files (TV series): after the vanishing of an entire space colony, the company sends a team to investigate the mysterious disappearance, which seems to be linked with the exploration of ancient alien ruins on the planet. Specifically, a Tardis-like-structure: the building is bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Oct 05, 2018, 01:59:22 AM
Weyland X files (TV series): after the vanishing of an entire space colony, the company sends a team to investigate the mysterious disappearance, which seems to be linked with the exploration of ancient alien ruins on the planet. Specifically, a Tardis-like-structure: the building is bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.

Love that idea.
Some episodes could serve as a jumping board for movies in that universe.
The regular investigators are pulled off the case because they got new stuff to do. While specialists and higher-ups continue their work.

Engineers. I want more Engineers.

We've seen a lot of Alien movies on a smaller scale, I want them to crank it up a notch for the conclusion to the prequel series. I want to see massive Hive structures & swarms of Xenomorphs and Engineers battling for survival with today's effects.

I also want to see an Ultramorph but please use SOME practical effects.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 06, 2018, 04:01:03 AM
We've seen a lot of Alien movies on a smaller scale, I want them to crank it up a notch for the conclusion to the prequel series. I want to see massive Hive structures & swarms of Xenomorphs and Engineers battling for survival with today's effects.

I also want to see an Ultramorph but please use SOME practical effects.

I totally understand where you're coming from, but going the "bigger badder" route is not something I see the studio allowing, and it hasn't worked out well for other franchises as of late.

My main concern there would be that the dark/claustrophobic tone and slow building aspects of the prequels are not lending to it. Cranking everything up a notch with hives and battles would be a jarring experience from what we've been receiving.

I can see where that sort of change would be appealing, but what worked narratively in 1986 might not work as well today. With the quality of the writing for big movies nowadays being what it is, I'd be scared stiff.

We could even go crazy and have an Aliens movie with swarms and big effects. Giant battles with queen aliens running amuck when the marines walk into her hive. Two queen aliens on a space station fighting to the death over dominance. Guns, explosions, grandiose soundtracks. Go full Jurassic World. Stuff the young folks would want to see. Something like that could make a ton of money and rekindle the franchise. But is that worth the narrative cost?

After the AVP's, I just don't know anymore.

The flashback scene of David releasing the Black Pathogen on the 'Engineers' was on the grander scale. And with David having a full ship of colonists to bring about a Xenomorph army it seems to be building to something much larger.

Old Gustave Dore paintings come to mind as the type of imagery I want to see. The Engineers as the angels raining down on David's demons.

Such scenes sound like they would be great.  But how did the flashback scenes in AVP pan out?  The ones with the swarms of Aliens attacking the predators?

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 08, 2018, 03:45:20 PM
Such scenes sound like they would be great.  But how did the flashback scenes in AVP pan out?  The ones with the swarms of Aliens attacking the predators?

I personally really like that shot of the camera slowly panning out to reveal how many Aliens the Predators were fighting.

The flashback in AvP was one of the rare good bits.

Quote from: SM on Oct 09, 2018, 02:55:31 AM
The flashback in AvP was one of the rare good bits.

And all those best bits are from At The Mountains Of Madness.

Granted, it was one of the best parts of the movie, but it came across as very detatched.  It is just a swarm.  You can't connect to anything happening there.  There's no horror left.  I would say that the scene taking down Ferro in the dripship is more impactful that the scene with thousands of aliens.  Not saying it can't be done well, but be careful what you ask for.

It's just a money shot, to set up the bomb later on.  It doesn't need to be anything other than that.

I'd pay to see a proper ancient aliens film. Prometheus showed us that the engineers visited (at different times) ancient Babylonia, ancient Egypt, ancient Hawaii, ancient Scotland etc. I'd like to see more about those visits, and whether anything went wrong.

In fact, thinking about it, I don't think we have ever, ever had an ancient aliens movie. I cannot think of a single film, not one, which is set entirely in the ancient world and which has aliens in it. (Apart from the brief cameo in Life of Brian.) Even Stargate was set in the present-day.

Quote from: Jutland on Oct 09, 2018, 06:16:00 PM
I'd pay to see a proper ancient aliens film. Prometheus showed us that the engineers visited (at different times) ancient Babylonia, ancient Egypt, ancient Hawaii, ancient Scotland etc. I'd like to see more about those visits, and whether anything went wrong.

In fact, thinking about it, I don't think we have ever, ever had an ancient aliens movie. I cannot think of a single film, not one, which is set entirely in the ancient world and which has aliens in it. (Apart from the brief cameo in Life of Brian.) Even Stargate was set in the present-day.

Don't know if I'd like to see an entire movie of that. Sounds more suitable for an intro.

Prometheus is that movie.  So is AVP for that matter.  But you're right in that there's never been a non-franchised film along those lines.  2001 notwithstanding.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 09, 2018, 08:09:20 PM

Quote from: Jutland on Oct 09, 2018, 06:16:00 PM
I'd pay to see a proper ancient aliens film. Prometheus showed us that the engineers visited (at different times) ancient Babylonia, ancient Egypt, ancient Hawaii, ancient Scotland etc. I'd like to see more about those visits, and whether anything went wrong.

In fact, thinking about it, I don't think we have ever, ever had an ancient aliens movie. I cannot think of a single film, not one, which is set entirely in the ancient world and which has aliens in it. (Apart from the brief cameo in Life of Brian.) Even Stargate was set in the present-day.

Don't know if I'd like to see an entire movie of that. Sounds more suitable for an intro.

I believe that a full ancient aliens flick doesn't fit with the Alien series. You can use such theme as a plot device, though. On a side note, the concept is almost as old as science fiction itself, and there is a lot of books, movies, anime, comics, etc.

But yeah, we don't have many (or any) ancient aliens films with the entire plot taking place in the ancient past. I could be wrong though.  :P

However, I'm more keen on "Precursors" than of ancient visitations to Earth. In short, I wish the tech used by the Engineers was not built by them, but by a long-disappeared race.  :)

Could be set on another planet, also seeded and visited by Engineers.
That way it wouldn't be bound to actual history and it would provide more creative freedom.
The human (or humanoid) society could be in a setting based on actual ancient societies. I'm going with Incan or Mayan, because that's my preference.
You could have a WY crew discovering the place, shortly before the Engineers make another visit. But the humans are curious, they wanna explore and unwillingly unleash whatever.

Edit: I know I mentioned this before but just imagine Apocalypto + Engineers + black goo + WY crew.

I'd say it's worth a shot!  8)

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So what if a crew arrives, shorty before theEngineers and the ensuing situations would end with the Engineers pathogen bombing the entire place.
With an android, good or bad, being the lonely survivor since the pathogen doesn't affect him.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 09, 2018, 11:02:17 PM
Edit: I know I mentioned this before but just imagine Apocalypto + Engineers + black goo + WY crew.

That's fantastic. I'd go to see that

I'd like to see another blade runner movie featuring Fassbender. Have it end with him evading the blade runners and escaping into the populace with a vial of extra potent goo.

Seeking shelter in a bar, he eye's his drink, remembering Holloway. He places a drop of the new goo into it and brings the glass near his mouth. After the ol' "small beginnings" line, he swallows it down and goes to leave, before accidentally bumping into a digitally recreated parker and brett, on their way to the Nostromo.

No direct connections to the cast of the original Alien thank you.

But I appreciate the sentiment of the rest of the idea, David should "expire" before the events of Alien IMO.
I believe your idea of taking the Alien to a Blade Runner esque planet (Plagiarus praepotens perhaps)-
Would be an excellent set-up for a large post A3  blockbuster film though.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 14, 2018, 12:44:25 AM
No direct connections to the cast of the original Alien thank you.

Craigslist would call that a Missed Connection   ;)

ba-dum-tsh

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 14, 2018, 12:44:25 AMBut I appreciate the sentiment of the rest of the idea, David should "expire" before the events of Alien IMO.

I'd love for him to survive because I want more movies with his character.
In a possible scenario he ends up in an escape pod and lands on a planet with a primitive humanoid population. The pod is wrecked because of the crash. Impossible to send a message, a rescue or tracking signal. David is stuck, slightly malfunctioning but still superiour. He becomes their living god. And maybe decades later a WY crew arrives. Or Engineers return. Anyway stuff happens. And we have another movie with David.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 14, 2018, 03:53:41 AM

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 14, 2018, 12:44:25 AMBut I appreciate the sentiment of the rest of the idea, David should "expire" before the events of Alien IMO.

I'd love for him to survive because I want more movies with his character.
In a possible scenario he ends up in an escape pod and lands on a planet with a primitive humanoid population. The pod is wrecked because of the crash. Impossible to send a message, a rescue or tracking signal. David is stuck, slightly malfunctioning but still superiour. He becomes their living god. And maybe decades later a WY crew arrives. Or Engineers return. Anyway stuff happens. And we have another movie with David.

Ya, I'm all for a David - Ripley confrontation somewhere in the far distant future.  The only way I could see a Post-Resurrection era idea work, is if if we find Amanda Ripley floating out there somewhere.  She wakes up to find her mother, who is now Ripley 8.  And then they slug it out with David...  But Walter saves the day!   ;D   Ok, I jumped the shark at the end there, but Amanda waking up to see Ripley 8 could work...

Pure schlock idea IMO

Pure money making schlock idea!   ;)

Perhaps.

But the subsection is for the likes of Van Helsing 2004, not Alien.

As an action romp with monsters, Van wasn't that bad.

As for ripley 8/Amanda/david/walter and all that business, let's just have everybody be a clone. They can all meet up in the architects room from the matrix and he can tell them that they inhabit just 1 of nearly 100 parallel universes. The notion that they've ever made a truly conscious choice is inexorably, immaterial. Everything is meaningless, and the machines have almost reached acheron's core.

I want Ripley and her Marines versus David and his Aliens directed by Ridley Scott.

New characters, new stories.

The Cold Forge.

The Alien universe is apathy, and apathy is death.

I'd still like to see a novel set in the tone of World War Z. Where survivors of an alien takeover are debriefed by the company. To hear all the various angles and politics. The town halls and the panic. The stories of people in both the military and private sector. People of every description and occupation. There's just so many angles that could be examined. To slowly work through everything, from beginning to end, and on such a personal level would be a real treat.

The way to keep David alive is to upload his 'Soul' into the Weyland Yutani command nexus mainframe, inhibiting androids As and when he pleases

Woaaaaa, 54% for Xenomorphs and AI optional.

Blasphemy. Predator fanatics invasion perhaps?

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 11:44:05 AM
New characters, new stories.

The Cold Forge.

The Alien universe is apathy, and apathy is death.

The Alien universe is apathy, but the Aliens universe is about a mother's love conquering all, so that little girls get to dream all the way home.   ;)

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 16, 2018, 12:09:32 AM

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 11:44:05 AM
New characters, new stories.

The Cold Forge.

The Alien universe is apathy, and apathy is death.

The Alien universe is apathy, but the Aliens universe is about a mother's love conquering all, so that little girls get to dream all the way home.   ;)

Do they dream of androids?

No, they drown.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 16, 2018, 02:02:28 AM
No, they drown.

And in the wrong cryotubes no less.

Identical cryotube, aside from a visual aesthetic change at the behest of the Director.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 16, 2018, 02:10:10 AM
Identical cryotube, aside from a visual aesthetic change at the behest of the Director.

Exactly!  ;D

Identical, except for all the bits that aren't.

Yes.

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The votes indicate open mindedness.
Unexpected.

Perhaps desire for (Quality)
New characters & new stories.
above all else-
Triumphs after all.

Quote from: David Weyland on Oct 15, 2018, 11:34:07 PM
The way to keep David alive is to upload his 'Soul' into the Weyland Yutani command nexus mainframe, inhibiting androids As and when he pleases

David = Fassbender.
No Fassbender, no David.

Quote from: Nostromo on Oct 15, 2018, 11:38:17 PM
Woaaaaa, 54% for Xenomorphs and AI optional.

Blasphemy. Predator fanatics invasion perhaps?

I can only speak for myself, but I'd like to see more movies like Prometheus.
I prefer being surprised by new, weird stuff instead of going through another round of humans vs eggs, facehugger and xenos.

Reboot, re-imagine or re-iterate with more interesting and creepy things. Make  creepy xenolore with the xeno at the end.

I'm not sure if this equates to Prometheus though LOL.

Prometheus Reboot?

A movie with a Defiance/Tribes/Isolation theme, based on a huge space station or multiple cool locations like in Defiance (huge space fuel depots, abandonned ships, planetoids) would be amazing. Without deformities like in Resurrection, a solid cast, smart story and dialogue with no bullshit f-ups like people removing their helmets once those ship doors open.

Every director is trying to be a wanna be Giger and reinvent the wheel by adding an extra pair of arms or balls to the Alien. Only one Giger, why fk around with the best? Nothing wrong with the wheel. Believe me, I know wheels.

Agreed, although I appreciate the "Protomorph" & Neomorph precursors.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 18, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
Agreed, although I appreciate the "Protomorph" & Neomorph precursors.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 18, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
Agreed, although I appreciate the "Protomorph" & Neomorph precursors.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 18, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
Agreed, although I appreciate the "Protomorph" & Neomorph precursors.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 18, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
Agreed, although I appreciate the "Protomorph" & Neomorph precursors.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 18, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
Agreed, although I appreciate the "Protomorph" & Neomorph precursors.

True, those are awesome, same with the deacon, or is that considered a proto?

Pathogen creature, I believe a Neomorph in essence.

Speaking of different 'morphs and stuff, these things from the Alien: Engineers script stuck with me.

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David is dragging her across the floor - into a huge cargo hold full of Alien eggs. The wide trench holding hundreds of eggs under a membrane of light: an evolution of the molluscoids Watts saw before. Armored, hardened, darker.

David: "This ship has seven other cargo bays like this one. The eggs in each bay slightly different. They've been weaponized."

So 7 other types. I wonder what they were. We only get info on one other species: the molluscoid

Compiled this:

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The domed ceiling is honeycombed with cells like a beehive. Grotesque molluscoid organisms are secreted in them - their vile orifices cinched tightly shut. Holloway's headlamp shines on the molluscoid right overhead: the beam awakens the organism. Its sphincter mouth dilates.
A soft white octopoid facehugger descends on a quivering rope of mucus. Sprawls slitheringly over his clear visor. Acid HISSES.
Smoke rises from the glass.

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QuoteWatts stares at the parasite fighting its way out of Holloway's body.
It is white and boneless. Glistening. It flails its hideous lunging jaw.
The parasite flattens itself. Slick as an octopus, it begins to slide under the locker door.

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This stuff is one of the reasons I wouldn't mind an adaptation of that script at some point. With everything as big as in the concept art.
Typical Alien stuff for the regular fans and still some Engineer stuff for me. And I'll add an extra race of Space Jockies for the fanatics while I'm at it.

Man Alien Engineers does sound like it would have been better than Prometheus. But glad that LV-426 was left a mystery. Leaves the possibility of the alpha race to the engineers; the Space Jockeys.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 19, 2018, 03:31:52 AM
Man Alien Engineers does sound like it would have been better than Prometheus. But glad that LV-426 was left a mystery. Leaves the possibility of the alpha race to the engineers; the Space Jockeys.

It would've been good but less mysterious and more straight forward. And that ending, not sure how they would've followed that up.

Prometheus would've been a lot better if we got a different sequel that answered those mysteries. Then it would make more sense, as it's just the first chapter in the prequel series (that might have contained 5 or 6 chapters).

Prometheus failure is it's own.
Responsible is the sub-par script utilization.

The Beluga-Morph was interesting, though if such a creature was boneless and was able to pass through vents and under the door, then it shouldn't have anything as solid as teeth.  :laugh: Don't mind me, I am just drunk from too much gin.  :laugh:

Unless the teeth retract, plications.

The teeth would still be there though, even if retracted.

I imagine something like a jellyfish with teeth. And since it was just born, the teeth wouldn't be that big.
So it being able to slide under a door ain't that strange to me.
The beluga-morph was more grown up I think.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Oct 19, 2018, 03:36:36 PM
The Beluga-Morph was interesting, though if such a creature was boneless and was able to pass through vents and under the door, then it shouldn't have anything as solid as teeth.  :laugh: Don't mind me, I am just drunk from too much gin.  :laugh:

Unless it could control the solidity of its body, like the T1000.
Obviously it's not liquid metal, but there are ways to make things harder without solids. Male genitalia, for example.
How's that for Giger inspired? A mouth full of sharp penises!

I would have preferred an isolated Alien film from the rest. With that being said I think they should just get Scott's trilogy over with.

Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 23, 2018, 05:17:53 PM
I would have preferred an isolated Alien film from the rest. With that being said I think they should just get Scott's trilogy over with.

I think that would be a good way to revive the series. Not a soft reboot or anything that contradicts the previous films. Just a good, interesting, stand alone film that fits into the universe without disturbing the rest.

100% Correct.

I think there is ample room to explore the past, present and future.

By the past, I mean let Ridley Scott finish up his prequel series.

By the present (I know it barely applies) I mean the core period circa the first 2 films, where we could have an epic Alien Isolation movie perhaps a Dredd vibe?), and an adaptation of the Cold Forge.

The future, would be a continuation from where Aliens left off.  It should feature the survivors from the Aliens film.  The time for more classic Ripley has come.  The success of the recent Halloween film shows that there is great potential for a classic heroine, a mature woman, to bring audiences in droves to the theatre.  The Halloween continuity has been all over the place.  The truth is, who cares?  The casual observers are the ones who fill the theatre seats, not the hard-core fans.  Bringing back Ripley is an opportunity to push the limits of what women can do.  It is an opportunity for an enduring heroine, to inspire a new generation of girls and women to find an insurmountable inner strength, and pursue all challenges.

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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 24, 2018, 02:11:42 AM
I think there is ample room to explore the past, present and future.

By the past, I mean let Ridley Scott finish up his prequel series.

By the present (I know it barely applies) I mean the core period circa the first 2 films, where we could have an epic Alien Isolation movie perhaps a Dredd vibe?), and an adaptation of the Cold Forge.

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The future? Is one without Ellen Ripley.
No reason The Cold Forge instead can't be the future.

Other than the fact it won't.

That seems like a pretty big one.

Right but- a excellent similar standalone, as TCF is.

I'm tired of the Ripley bloodline. It was durable in Isolation because that was a great game, and it really would not have made a difference if it was a new character. As for the movies, she is done. Casting her again would be a lack of creativity on the writer, and holding back on the potential of the movies/creature that we have yet to tap into.

Agreed.

I want Aliens 2 with Ripley just so we can move on from this conversation  ;D

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 24, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
I want Aliens 2 with Ripley just so we can move on from this conversation  ;D

Come on Man!  This is the new "egg on the Sulaco"!
;D

MFW

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Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 24, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
I want Aliens 2 with Ripley just so we can move on from this conversation  ;D

Am I the only one around here who wants Aliens 2 with young Ripley?

(https://i.imgur.com/AbwijAI.jpg)

No? just me? okay. :)

*Shudders*

I was bored and just wanted to bother you people  :-*

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Oct 25, 2018, 01:06:01 AM

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 24, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
I want Aliens 2 with Ripley just so we can move on from this conversation  ;D

Am I the only one around here who wants Aliens 2 with young Ripley?

Man, that CG is creepy!  Amazing, but creepy...

Uncanny valley.

Watching Silence Of The Lambs again and noticing some similarities between Hannibal and David.
It gave me this idea:

David's get caught after a long amount of time.
Before the Company finally caught up with him, he did all kinds of things. Planting eggs and black goo on several planets or WY installations, set up devices,...And more. Maybe he encountered another android at some point and set him free, turning him into an ally with a quest of his own,..

So David is locked up and questioned like in Silence Of The Lambs/In The Mouth Of Madness about some current incident he may or may have not caused. He plays along while toying with those questioning him.
We get told about the current incident through flashbacks. Back at the holding place, David sheds lights on things. But then starts talking about his earlier works.
Towards the end the incident reaches the site where he's been hold and he's able to escape.
He could've planned the incident as a failsafe in case he got caught. And it could've gone wrong leading to Engineers arriving (instead of whatever) to make sure the evil android is finally destroyed beyond reconstruction.
But no, he'll escape, the adventures of David continue and we'll get another movie until Fassbender's too old then we'll turn David into the monolith from 2001.

This might be an option for Fassy when he's older. He could play a derelict version of David. Maybe his character's remains are partially hooked up to something. Or he's just a head again.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 24, 2018, 07:32:19 PM

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 24, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
I want Aliens 2 with Ripley just so we can move on from this conversation  ;D

Come on Man!  This is the new "egg on the Sulaco"!
;D

New? I thought that dead horse was still being beat.

A answered question.

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Oct 25, 2018, 01:06:01 AM

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Oct 24, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
I want Aliens 2 with Ripley just so we can move on from this conversation  ;D

Am I the only one around here who wants Aliens 2 with young Ripley?

(https://i.imgur.com/AbwijAI.jpg)

No? just me? okay. :)

Ridley Scott's already been doing some warm-up exercises:  :laugh:

(https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/triboro_build03.jpeg?w=780)

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/07/ridley-scott-may-use-cg-to-add-ellen-ripley-into-his-alien-prequels/ (https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/07/ridley-scott-may-use-cg-to-add-ellen-ripley-into-his-alien-prequels/)

I'd rather see CGI Kane or Brett.  ANYONE but Ripley for f**k's sake.

I just want a very good Alien movie. That's all.

CGI Ash, a whole legion of him

A Ash CGI recreation? Sure.
No legion.

Will David create Ash and make him his son?

Could see WY sending Ash army to investigate, rather than risking humans to chase up David following Advent transmissions but he turns them all over to his point of view, like he did to Walter

Theoretically Ash exist as many anyway, Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 25, 2018, 11:26:40 PM
Will David create Ash and make him his son?

Pithee No.

I just can't see David creating an Ash android. I mean there is no way David would create any other android other than another David. :P

It was sarcasm. But the ways things are going, who know what's possible?

I'm not ruling out an after credits scene in the derelict where Rip Taylor burst out of the Space Jockey and starts flinging confetti everywhere

I want ALIEN 5 or ALIENS 2. Directed by Ridley Scott. Ripley and her Colonial Marines versus David and his Aliens.

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Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Oct 26, 2018, 12:56:39 AM
I want ALIEN 5 or ALIENS 2. Directed by Ridley Scott. Ripley and her Colonial Marines versus David and his Aliens.

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Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Oct 26, 2018, 12:56:39 AM
I want ALIEN 5 or ALIENS 2. Directed by Ridley Scott. Ripley and her Colonial Marines versus David and his Aliens.

If someone made a parody animation of that, I'll watch.

But if you want the Marines back, how are you convincing Michael Biehn to return, and where are you getting your Hudson?

Parody, indeed.

Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 26, 2018, 01:45:15 AM

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Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Oct 26, 2018, 12:56:39 AM
I want ALIEN 5 or ALIENS 2. Directed by Ridley Scott. Ripley and her Colonial Marines versus David and his Aliens.

If someone made a parody animation of that, I'll watch.

But if you want the Marines back, how are you convincing Michael Biehn to return, and where are you getting your Hudson?

Its a Marines Corps.  That means there are a lot of them.  Hicks would either be an old General, or a total derelict renegade like in the comics.  Both would be cool.  I would love to see the intensity of Michael Biehn's Hicks on screen again.  He is an underrated actor, and deserves another chance.

Why can't we have a new set of badass hombre colonial marines? I mean shit there must be battalions of them out there just itching to make species extinct. Personally I'm still hoping for my all J-girl troop!

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 26, 2018, 03:20:14 AM

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Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Oct 26, 2018, 12:56:39 AM
I want ALIEN 5 or ALIENS 2. Directed by Ridley Scott. Ripley and her Colonial Marines versus David and his Aliens.

If someone made a parody animation of that, I'll watch.

But if you want the Marines back, how are you convincing Michael Biehn to return, and where are you getting your Hudson?

Its a Marines Corps.  That means there are a lot of them.  Hicks would either be an old General, or a total derelict renegade like in the comics.  Both would be cool.  I would love to see the intensity of Michael Biehn's Hicks on screen again.  He is an underrated actor, and deserves another chance.

I think the majority of actors playing the Marines are ridiculously underrated.

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Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 26, 2018, 01:45:15 AM

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 26, 2018, 01:23:40 AM

Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Oct 26, 2018, 12:56:39 AM
I want ALIEN 5 or ALIENS 2. Directed by Ridley Scott. Ripley and her Colonial Marines versus David and his Aliens.

If someone made a parody animation of that, I'll watch.

But if you want the Marines back, how are you convincing Michael Biehn to return, and where are you getting your Hudson?

Its a Marines Corps.  That means there are a lot of them.  Hicks would either be an old General, or a total derelict renegade like in the comics.  Both would be cool.  I would love to see the intensity of Michael Biehn's Hicks on screen again.  He is an underrated actor, and deserves another chance.

I think the majority of actors playing the Marines are ridiculously underrated.

True, but in the context of the film and it's possible sequel, they are also all dead, and in real life some of them are as well.

James Cameron also brought out the best performance from these people I think.

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Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Oct 26, 2018, 01:45:15 AM

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 26, 2018, 01:23:40 AM

Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Oct 26, 2018, 12:56:39 AM
I want ALIEN 5 or ALIENS 2. Directed by Ridley Scott. Ripley and her Colonial Marines versus David and his Aliens.

If someone made a parody animation of that, I'll watch.

But if you want the Marines back, how are you convincing Michael Biehn to return, and where are you getting your Hudson?

Its a Marines Corps.  That means there are a lot of them.  Hicks would either be an old General, or a total derelict renegade like in the comics.  Both would be cool.  I would love to see the intensity of Michael Biehn's Hicks on screen again.  He is an underrated actor, and deserves another chance.

I think the majority of actors playing the Marines are ridiculously underrated.

True, but in the context of the film and it's possible sequel, they are also all dead, and in real life some of them are as well.

James Cameron also brought out the best performance from these people I think.

No kidding. I have yet to watch some of Bill Paxton's other movies, and I've seen a lot of Mark Rolston's work. He's damn good as a character actor. Sucks that the show "Supernatural" kicked him from his role and replaced him.

Supernatural Sucks

Regardless, Prometheus ensemble's excellent, but because
the written outline's inarticulate; the ensemble's aptitude's ineffective.

Noomi Rapace - Girl With The Dragon Tattoo

Logan Marshall Green- Upgrade

Rafe Spall- Black Mirror: White Christmas

Sean Harris- Macbeth

Charlize Theron- Mad Max Fury Road

Guy Pearce- Memento

Idris Elba- Luther

Kate Dickie, Benedict Wong
& Emun Elliot.

Logan Marshall Green was in The Predator?

A big part of the core problem with having Aliens infest earth, is that Ripley's sacrifice in Alien 3 loses all meaning.  It is a serious literary problem.  I am not just speaking from the perspective of someone who wants a different post-Aliens continuity.  Having an alien infestation on earth post-Alien 3 does nothing to redeem Alien 3.  In fact, it would diminish the first 3 Alien films, because all 3 victories in those films would be washed away.

To have an earth infestation work well, you need Ripley to say "I told you so" and then help find a way to resolve it.  Of course you cold try that with Post-Alien Resurrection Ripley 8, but who wants to make that film or series?

An Alien infestation on earth is the ultimate promise that the films hold.  Every film revolves around finding a way to prevent that, with the exception maybe of Covenant.  It is the ultimate worst case scenario that could happen.  Make it so!

And Hicks and Newt were unceremoniously bumped off at the start of Alien 3 - which many people have no issue with whatsoever.

The crossover between 'people who want an Earth invasion story' and 'people who don't especially care for Alien 3' would be large enough to make such a venture pretty popular.

Earth invasion sequel YR 2562 ≠ Alien³ invalidation. IMO

Which wouldn't work if the most popular era is one with Weyland-Yutani and marines.

I disagree.

For all intents and purposes you can set it during the popular Trilogy era, just change the date after the fact.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 27, 2018, 09:58:45 PM
Earth invasion sequel YR 2562 ≠ Alien³ invalidation. IMO

Invalidate, maybe not.  It remains a fun, albeit  sad film.  Though in all honesty Ripley's death would have been in vain.  Can we agree on that?  Ripley sacrificed herself to prevent an Alien infestation on earth.  But if the invasion happens, then her sacrifice would have been for nothing.  In fact, the knowledge she could have given W-Y could have prevented an infestation.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 28, 2018, 08:46:32 PM
In fact, the knowledge she could have given W-Y could have prevented an infestation.

Nothing can stop an infestation. Once it starts, it's not over until every living thing is dead, including the xeno's responsible. Just look at the Auriga. No amount of knowledge and equipment stopped them there.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 28, 2018, 08:46:32 PM

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 27, 2018, 09:58:45 PM
Earth invasion sequel YR 2562 ≠ Alien³ invalidation. IMO

Invalidate, maybe not.  It remains a fun, albeit  sad film.  Though in all honesty Ripley's death would have been in vain.  Can we agree on that?  Ripley sacrificed herself to prevent an Alien infestation on earth.  But if the invasion happens, then her sacrifice would have been for nothing.  In fact, the knowledge she could have given W-Y could have prevented an infestation.

And the start of Alien 3 made the last 20 minutes of Aliens "for nothing".  The universe cares little for someone's sacrifice.

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 28, 2018, 08:54:06 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 28, 2018, 08:46:32 PM
In fact, the knowledge she could have given W-Y could have prevented an infestation.

Nothing can stop an infestation. Once it starts, it's not over until every living thing is dead, including the xeno's responsible. Just look at the Auriga. No amount of knowledge and equipment stopped them there.

Actually if W-Y or world officials went on Twitter in the first few hours of the infestation and advised people that if someone is infected, to take them out or a monster will be born, there are good odds of prevention.  The bigger problems are in forested areas with other fauna.  The worst case scenario would be if the aliens could survive under water.  We would have no way of knowing when or where they would pop up.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 28, 2018, 11:04:12 PM

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 28, 2018, 08:54:06 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 28, 2018, 08:46:32 PM
In fact, the knowledge she could have given W-Y could have prevented an infestation.

Nothing can stop an infestation. Once it starts, it's not over until every living thing is dead, including the xeno's responsible. Just look at the Auriga. No amount of knowledge and equipment stopped them there.

Actually if W-Y or world officials went on Twitter in the first few hours of the infestation and advised people that if someone is infected, to take them out or a monster will be born, there are good odds of prevention.  The bigger problems are in forested areas with other fauna.  The worst case scenario would be if the aliens could survive under water.  We would have no way of knowing when or where they would pop up.

I don't think so. A lot of people would have no means to confirm an infection. And not all would just stand by while their loved ones are getting killed by their neighbours, infected or not. A lot of people who suspect they are infected would flee to avoid being killed by the mob.
The ensuing witch hunt for infected would only add to the chaos, which would make official infesation prevention harder. Not to mention that the ensuing panic and chaos would lead to an pretty permanent state of emergency.
Like you said the fauna is a big problem. The aliens can grow out of animals as small as a medium sized dog if you count that version of A3.
We also have an incredible number of livestock animals which would be great and easy hosts. Food will get harder to come by, especialley if we kill  most of the lifestock to prevent infestation. Agriculture would also be quiet hard to pull of on the same scale as before. Masses of  people are getting hungry and it's all down hill from there.

QuoteA lot of people would have no means to confirm an infection.

Yep.  When you factor in the hugger induced amnesia and lack of access to medical equipment that could detect a chestburster, they could spread very quickly.

Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2018, 11:52:03 PM

QuoteA lot of people would have no means to confirm an infection.

Yep.  When you factor in the hugger induced amnesia and lack of access to medical equipment that could detect a chestburster, they could spread very quickly.

I've been saying this for awhile. College kid gets hugged, gets in his car and tries to drive back to mom and dad 200 miles away. Guy getting groceries gets hugged and drives back to his family 2 counties away. Somebody gets on a bus, a plane, etc. Whether they burst on the highway, in a hospital, in a police station, on a bus, it doesn't matter. If they are any distance from the point of infection, then they have already expanded the infection area to a distance unknown to anyone even remotely capable of making a difference. And any humans within a mile of that creature are in deep shite.

One single alien with egg morphing is enough to wipe out the planet. How long did it take big chap to turn Brett and Dallas into eggs? You'd have eggs in the sewers, the subways, the basements, the attics, the caves, the barns, abandoned cars and garages, in freight trucks and wood sheds, abandoned trailers, under bridges and in condemned houses and worst of all, the woods. There'd be facehuggers everywhere, and when enough people and animals had turned into enough aliens, they just wouldn't give a damn about hiding anymore.

Sooner or later you'd have queens popping up all over. The whole world would fall within a year, but most of us would be on the run in days, hiding out in weeks, and dead shortly thereafter. Twitter wouldn't save anybody, and WY sure wouldn't either. A loose xenomorph on earth is a death sentence, for all living things. It's methods and capabilities are simply too perfect.

Correct, civilization:
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All valid points.  All ripe material for a good series.  Multi-season in fact.  Still, a world like Blade-Runner would work better than modern times.  We've seen that in AVP:R and it just didn't work.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 29, 2018, 02:15:59 AM
All valid points.  All ripe material for a good series.  Multi-season in fact.  Still, a world like Blade-Runner would work better than modern times.  We've seen that in AVP:R and it just didn't work.

Just to play devil's advocate, there are 2 things I could think of, in regards to setting it in a Blade Runner world.

1. It might be too expensive. Setting it in the near future earth would allow for use of existing infrastructure and technology.

2. Setting it in the near future would also keep it relatable and enhance the emotional aspect. Society would still largely be an intact organism. Having things go wrong in the blade runner world would be great in a film, and I pray we see it, but for a tv show, the fall of an intact Olympus would be more profoundly felt. People trapped on the highways, fleeing into the countryside, people disappearing at gas stations and hospitals. News broadcasts instead of giant holographic signs advertising vacations.

Alien vs Predator on earth is the wrong choice, and it always was. They should be fighting on a distant colonized planet, or a ship somewhere. But an earth war where the aliens take over, that can work. No predalien, no wolf, none of the divisive stuff. Just pure xenomorphs doing what they do best. I could dig it.

Los Angeles 2019, 2049, The Nostromo, Hadley's Hope & Fiorina 161 ≠ Relatable regardless.

Excellent characterisation, written and performance = Relatable.

"Blade Runner/Alien's society is just our society but more so."
Otherwise the only aspect that's Alien is the Alien itself,
and I feel that misses the point of the futuristic but reflective universe.

Quote from: Huggs on Oct 29, 2018, 04:02:54 AM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 29, 2018, 02:15:59 AM
All valid points.  All ripe material for a good series.  Multi-season in fact.  Still, a world like Blade-Runner would work better than modern times.  We've seen that in AVP:R and it just didn't work.

Just to play devil's advocate, there are 2 things I could think of, in regards to setting it in a Blade Runner world.

1. It might be too expensive. Setting it in the near future earth would allow for use of existing infrastructure and technology.

2. Setting it in the near future would also keep it relatable and enhance the emotional aspect. Society would still largely be an intact organism. Having things go wrong in the blade runner world would be great in a film, and I pray we see it, but for a tv show, the fall of an intact Olympus would be more profoundly felt. People trapped on the highways, fleeing into the countryside, people disappearing at gas stations and hospitals. News broadcasts instead of giant holographic signs advertising vacations.

Alien vs Predator on earth is the wrong choice, and it always was. They should be fighting on a distant colonized planet, or a ship somewhere. But an earth war where the aliens take over, that can work. No predalien, no wolf, none of the divisive stuff. Just pure xenomorphs doing what they do best. I could dig it.

Well, it really comes down to balance.  In truth, how much of the surrounding world did we get to see in Bladerunner.  It was a few sequences shown at the right time and that is all it took.  The same would work for an Aliens film or series on future earth.  Show sparse moments on earth.  Don't flood the senses nonstop with impossibly expensive imagery all the time.  Let the imagination fill in some of the blanks.  Also, don't set the whole thing on earth.  It is normal to have subplots in these types of series.  Maybe some of the series takes place on Gateway Station?  Or on a ship?  The original Aliens comics struck a good balance in showing the earth infestation.  Simply put, they didn't show much.  A director would have to handle this creatively. 

If Newt could outwit over 120 Xenos and stay alive, I find a successful Earth infestation & destruction of the human race difficult to envisage.
A low key introduction of black goo into the water supply, now that would work 

An infestation of Earth isn't the same as destruction of the human race.

Then why bother

Oh, I dunno.  To have an entertaining story, mayhap?

An aging Ripley-8 is no longer quite as human as she once appeared to be...

I would love an A:R sequel with Ripley-8 as the main villain, a Kerrigan-esque Alien Queen who now has a foothold on Earth.
Set in a cyberpunk proto-encumenopolis, civilians wearing gas masks, crime rampant, retro-tech, throw in some 2000ad style themes with a hearty helping of Bladerunner.
Due to the state of emergency presented by Ripley-8's hive, civilians are being forcefully drafted into the military, the main protagonist would be one of these people. He/she would have lost their family in the early stages and is furious with the bureaucratic apathy that leads to more and more deaths.
They try their best, but all hell breaks loose and they're stuck facing off against the hive in a crumbling xeno-webbed district of the city... The final battle seems set to go between the protagonist and Ripley-8, but...
It's futile, even if the protagonist actually defeats Ripley-8, the Aliens win in the end.
If Ripley-8 is defeated, we could have a post-credits scene of a warrior molting into a Queen, perhaps an "Abnormal Alien" being the one, an Animal Morph, something different, bestial.
If Ripley-8 is victorious, perhaps a scene of ships vacating the planet...

Just my two cents. XD

Alien's realism's indispensable.

A movie set in the retro-verse of Alien 79 and Isolation. Culminating in 10 minutes of Ridley Scott and the Original Alien fighting off The Predalien and a Lindelof android sent by company stooge Neill Cameron.

The movie ends with Scott and Big Chap holding each other as "love crime" plays in the background and the station begins turning into a giger style habitat all around them. Scott says, "this is all I ever wanted for you" as big chap hisses back. They slowly turn together and fall over a busted railing into the dark abyss below.




In a mid-credits scene, Ridley is shown wandering alone in the now dark and gigered halls of the ship. Stopping to stare at oddly shaped and sometimes pulsating things. He just stares, says "fantastic", and then moves on. He notices a dim orange glowing coming from one shaft, and following it, he emerges into a small chamber. Sitting atop a gigered throne is David Fincher, holding an old video camera in his hand. The runner alien sleeps on the ground beside him. Scott stares on in disbelief, as the camera zooms in on finchers face. He says, "welcome brother" as ominous music begins to play and all slowly fades to black.

In a post credits scene, big chap is seen chasing Jean-Pierre Jeunet through what used to be the cafeteria. He runs into a large walk-in refrigerator while screaming "Je Desole!"

 :D

f**king brilliant.

If there was to be an Earth Infestation movie (which would be awesome) it would probably need to be an alternate timeline post-Aliens/Alien 3 with a Blade Runner-esque setting. Perhaps post-Resurrection would also work but Earth would need to be a lot more run down with large areas of wasteland even before the Xenomorphs arrive.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 28, 2018, 03:18:01 AM
I disagree.

For all intents and purposes you can set it during the popular Trilogy era, just change the date after the fact.

What do you mean by "change the date after the fact"?

Errors have been made? Nothing that a sharpie and some white out can't fix? :P

Quote from: SiL on Oct 30, 2018, 08:22:35 PM
What do you mean by "change the date after the fact"?

Make it as if you were setting it after Alien³ as if AR doesn't exist- in that popular Alien/Aliens era;
But change the date from the 22nd Century to the 24th Century, so it takes place after AR.

Some ideas:
How about having it on Earth in prehistoric times with the Engineers f**king up black goo with dinosaurs & having to chuck an asteroid at the Earth to start again
Or perhaps an idea that Earth as we know it, is older than it seems & existed before & there's an infestation but the Engineers annihilate it beyond recognition to boiling lava again as it gets out of control/And or set it on Mars when it apparently had an atmosphere so many millions of years ago with humanoid like Martians being infested

No Martians please.  Old man Weyland did not want to talk to Martians.

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 30, 2018, 09:08:58 PM

Quote from: SiL on Oct 30, 2018, 08:22:35 PM
What do you mean by "change the date after the fact"?

Make it as if you were setting it after Alien³ as if AR doesn't exist- in that popular Alien/Aliens era;
But change the date from the 22nd Century to the 24th Century, so it takes place after AR.

So retcon AR, effectively. You can't have your cake and eat it quite so lazily. AR clearly shows that old world is gone.

AR showed nothing, except that the USM exists and W-Y doesn't- which the W-Y Report rectified.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 31, 2018, 12:19:46 AM
No Martians please.  Old man Weyland did not want to talk to Martians.

Oh, he wanted to talk to them alright, he just didn't want anyone else to.  ;)

Quote from: SiL on Oct 31, 2018, 12:26:36 AM

Quote from: The Old One on Oct 30, 2018, 09:08:58 PM

Quote from: SiL on Oct 30, 2018, 08:22:35 PM
What do you mean by "change the date after the fact"?

Make it as if you were setting it after Alien³ as if AR doesn't exist- in that popular Alien/Aliens era;
But change the date from the 22nd Century to the 24th Century, so it takes place after AR.

So retcon AR, effectively. You can't have your cake and eat it quite so lazily. AR clearly shows that old world is gone.

WYR didn't rectify it - it brought the Company back in events after Resurrection.  At one point we were going to add some more detail about the Weyland-Yutani existing in shell companies after they were outlawed, outside USM jurisdiction.

If they wanted to have WY and marines post-Resurrection in a film, it would need address how this happened or it would effectively retcon Resurrection.

I meeaan, The Rage War has WY and marines. That's post-Resurrection and it doesn't retcon anything.

Address how it happened in a Viral short then, ala- Tyrell Corporation to Wallace Corporation, the new Nexus generation.
Blade Runner Blackout.

The film itself doesn't necessarily need to acknowledge Resurrection in any capacity.
Maybe an offhand mention of the USM being essentially all but non-existent.
.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 31, 2018, 02:47:33 AM
I meeaan, The Rage War has WY and marines. That's post-Resurrection and it doesn't retcon anything.

QuoteIf they wanted to have WY and marines post-Resurrection in a film, it would need address how this happened or it would effectively retcon Resurrection.

Rage War was a novel series - rather than a film - that built on what was established in WYR and Sea of Sorrows.

Yes but it still shows that a story can work with WY and marines post-Resurrection without really messing with anything.

I didn't suggest it couldn't work.  Only that it requires an explanation.

Fair enough.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 31, 2018, 12:19:46 AM
No Martians please.  Old man Weyland did not want to talk to Martians.

Especially my favorite one.

I think I would prefer an Alien film without the black goo. It's not that I don't like the black goo, but I would rather the writers focus on understanding what makes Alien great, and not worry about the wider elements as much. The black goo feels to me like something that would ultimately end up with a lineup of Kenner aliens. The product must have room to grow, but it needs to grow in a direction that doesn't alienate series vets. Focus on interesting characters, character development, pacing, realistic dialog, realistic emotional responses to trauma and fatalities, and not try to make it into a cartoon like A:R (to be fair, it went back and forth here) or The Predator (which nosedived over the cliff).

I wouldn't be pained to watch a biomechanical alien either. To me they just look to much like every other film monster the past 30 years with the smooth looking skin.

At this point, I'd be happy with a decent cartoon series like Castlevania.
As long as they'd involve Ridley and concept artists such as Carlos Huante, Dane Hallett, Matt Hatton,...
Might be an ok and relatively cheap option to explore the universe.
And do brutal R-rated stuff. If it's ok for Big Mouth to show teenage vagina in cartoon form, crazy body horror shouldn't be a problem either.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Nov 08, 2018, 02:32:47 AM
At this point, I'd be happy with a decent cartoon series like Castlevania.
As long as they'd involve Ridley and concept artists such as Carlos Huante, Dane Hallett, Matt Hatton,...
Might be an ok and relatively cheap option to explore the universe.
And do brutal R-rated stuff. If it's ok for Big Mouth to show teenage vagina in cartoon form, crazy body horror shouldn't be a problem either.

Or like...

Yeah, but of higher quality. Similar to Castlevania but even better, that's how I envision it.
The concept art coming to life, should be sweet.

If you're a fan of the Matrix movies watch Animatrix and imagine the Alien license using the same formula.

I'm not picky. I'd be open to an Alien TV series (prequel, sequel or an offshoot happening at the time of one of the films like a live action Alien Isolation).
There are rumors about some kind of Alien TV series. I hope that Disney would OK that.
http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/rumor-alien-serial-show-development

;)

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Nov 09, 2018, 04:15:49 PM
If you're a fan of the Matrix movies watch Animatrix and imagine the Alien license using the same formula.

I'm not a fan of those.  I was also not a fan of the recent BladeRunner Animation short.  I find that I don't connect with cartoons, unless they are something that I see as a regular series over and over and over.  Like Family Guy.  Other than that, it just doesn't resonate for me.

That's a shame-

There's a lot of anime that are titans of their respective genres- Ghost In The Shell in Sci-Fi for an obvious example.

No doubt.  I am certain there is plenty of really amazing material out there.  I do recall enjoying Akira.  I would never belittle the work of the talented animators, as I know what goes into the work they do.  I just never got drawn in.  I think the standards have been set so high for sci-fi and animation that we are all a bit spoiled.

You sound very erudite about anime.  If you have recommendations, I'd be happy to entertain them.

I would like to see a strange different alien race above the engineers. After seeing the city in covenant it seems the engineers have their technology stolen from something else. It looks like they are playing around with DNA and technology they don't understand. Maybe they were created by a different species and they are staying now on own feet. They created earth, because they needed a planet to live, but with that, they created us and that one in Prometheus saw how far we came, and that's why he wanted to destroy us.

Another thing is the derelict space ship from alien. It looks so old, focilised! I'm sure it is something different from the engineers. And maybe this creature created the aliens to destroy the engineers.

I thought a lot about how to put all films together and this is a way in my opinion to do that. It also looks, that the black goo ist made by alien DNA. Maybe extracted from a different planet. It could be that David found a way to split out a ground DNA out of it. Maybe the eggs from the derelict ship were important to create the black goo as a biologic weapon. Every tech you can use for good things (creating life) can also be used as a weapon.

I think there is still a lot of potential in that stuff Ridley created. They just need good writer with good ideas.

Agreed!  :)

For sure.

The Engineers are probably the most interesting race of humanoid space aliens since the Borg.  Their story should be continued.

I want to see tons of Engineers and xenomorphs occupying the same frame. Something epic. ;D

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Nov 20, 2018, 05:05:50 PM
I want to see tons of Engineers and xenomorphs occupying the same frame. Something epic. ;D

Like the poster that teased everyone in Covenant you mean. Sneaky devils.

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Nov 20, 2018, 05:05:50 PMI want to see tons of Engineers and xenomorphs occupying the same frame. Something epic. ;D

That could be sweet but only for a short timeframe like in AvP. Less is more in this case me thinks.

Quote from: Highland on Nov 21, 2018, 01:08:50 AMLike the poster that teased everyone in Covenant you mean. Sneaky devils.

That's not really tons, more like a bunch  ;D Something I hope we'll see in the sequel if we get it.
Engineer crew arrives, couple of xenos pop up, short but heavy battle follows, they barely recover when a few dozen more xenos appear,...

If the Engineers were on the (super) cheap in Covenant, I doubt we will get to see anything resembling them in the future.

Scott does somehow keep getting to make higher budget Turkey's though, so I guess not all hope is lost.

Disney will launch a deep exploration of the Engineers culture. That or maybe another bird will sing in the form of an Aladdin crossover.

A snowy, icy environment.
Yeah, I already mentioned it but still...

Check out what happens in the background. A neo or a new pale-skinned variant would fit perfectly.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MammothPoisedAlpineroadguidetigerbeetle-size_restricted.gif)
From The Dyatlov Pass Incident (Devil's Pass) (2013), a decent found footage horror movie.

How about an Alien metaphor of Jason and the Argonauts, but featuring Engineers in a epic quest through space (at least a comic book).

(https://i.imgur.com/8TAwCaz.jpg)

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Nov 22, 2018, 06:42:33 AM
A snowy, icy environment.
Yeah, I already mentioned it but still...

Check out what happens in the background. A neo or a new pale-skinned variant would fit perfectly.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MammothPoisedAlpineroadguidetigerbeetle-size_restricted.gif
From The Dyatlov Pass Incident (Devil's Pass) (2013), a decent found footage horror movie.

Count me in! I love cryptid fiction and mysteriousness. Especially if involve otherworldly stuff...and snow! love snow in my sci-fic horror tales. I'm thinking a lot in "The Thing", "At The Mountains of Madness" and "The Terror".

Carly me crazy, but I actually am not a fan of too much snow in my movies.  Makes me feel cold watching them.  Exactly one of the reasons I disliked AVP.  So, no snow.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 02, 2018, 01:36:18 AM
Count me in! I love cryptid fiction and mysteriousness. Especially if involve otherworldly stuff...and snow! love snow in my sci-fic horror tales. I'm thinking a lot in "The Thing", "At The Mountains of Madness" and "The Terror".

Yeah. And there isn't enough decent (sci-fi) horror set in snowy environment.

Blood Glacier (Blutgletscher) (2013) ain't bad either.
Black Mountain Side (2014) is good until it isn't. At some point it becomes abstract and dreamlike in a crappy Donnie Darko kinda way.
Too bad. Certainly had potential with the setting and location.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 02, 2018, 02:13:17 AM
Carly me crazy, but I actually am not a fan of too much snow in my movies.  Makes me feel cold watching them.  Exactly one of the reasons I disliked AVP.  So, no snow.

Watch them during the summertime, that way you got something to cool you off.
For the same reason, I watch summertime movies during the winter.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 02, 2018, 02:13:17 AM
Carly me crazy, but I actually am not a fan of too much snow in my movies.  Makes me feel cold watching them.  Exactly one of the reasons I disliked AVP.  So, no snow.

But those movies want you to feel uncomfortable ;)

Quote from: El Pistolero on Dec 05, 2018, 12:30:09 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 02, 2018, 02:13:17 AM
Carly me crazy, but I actually am not a fan of too much snow in my movies.  Makes me feel cold watching them.  Exactly one of the reasons I disliked AVP.  So, no snow.

But those movies want you to feel uncomfortable ;)

Brrr, but for a whole different reason.  I'm partly joking...

I want Alien Covenant sequel. ;)

If it were to happen, I'd like Walter to return somehow, alongside David, Daniels, and Tennessee.

O Walter is going to get so grilled when the Engineers return to their homeworld..

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 10, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
O Walter is going to get so grilled when the Engineers return to their homeworld..

Trust me bro, it was the other dude that is indistinguishable from me, that wiped out the whole population and carried out godless experiments with your people. I swear. I can't create and don't play the flute.
He is out there somewhere for sure.

Quote from: TheKurgan on Dec 10, 2018, 04:47:54 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 10, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
O Walter is going to get so grilled when the Engineers return to their homeworld..

Trust me bro, it was the other dude that is indistinguishable from me, that wiped out the whole population and carried out godless experiments with your people. I swear. I can't create and don't play the flute.
He is out there somewhere for sure.

Ha ha...
And then the Engineers will think; 'where is this David AI guy?' 'Let's tear his head off again!'

;)

Quote from: bb-15 on Dec 13, 2018, 03:13:44 AM

Quote from: TheKurgan on Dec 10, 2018, 04:47:54 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 10, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
O Walter is going to get so grilled when the Engineers return to their homeworld..

Trust me bro, it was the other dude that is indistinguishable from me, that wiped out the whole population and carried out godless experiments with your people. I swear. I can't create and don't play the flute.
He is out there somewhere for sure.

Ha ha...
And then the Engineers will think; 'where is this David AI guy?' 'Let's tear his head off again!'

;)

Or Walter thinks he's finally going to be saved. Only for one particularly dimwitted engineer to accidentally knock over the last vial of goo and bionuke them all again. Leaving Walter to spend the rest of eternity alone.

Walter: "Well...that's disappointing".

How about this? Mad scientist robot turns out to be a man in a suit.

Not necessarily an Alien movie, but a flick about a space succubus hunting humans through seduction. A Gigeresque female humanoid (similar to Sil but different) as the lead of a surreal journey with the "Under the Skin" kind of atmosphere.

What's the point when UTS exists?
It wouldn't really suit Alien regardless.

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 01:06:45 PM
What's the point when UTS exists?

The Blade Runner 'shared universe' case is a pointless waste of electrons. But then I thought
to myself...Who am I to judge what people likes?

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 01:06:45 PM
It wouldn't really suit Alien regardless.

Do you hear that? It's the sound of no one caring.

Did I step on someone's toes?

1. It wouldn't suit Alien. Alien = Realism.

2. It could be done separate from Alien, with the Giger aesthetic but that's Species...
Species exists, it would essentially be a Species reboot.

3. Which is UTS, which dismissed the corny/silly aspects and elevated the concept to perfection- and did it with class.

The idea's redundant.

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 06:23:18 PM
Did I step on someone's toes?

No but you're acting like the kind of person who contemplate there is only one right way things should be done and that is their way and think everyone else is wrong. It can work when we are dealing with the science vs bulshit debate, but not so much when we are arguing about art or fictional worlds. Honestly, it's only help you to look like an arrogant poster.

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 06:23:18 PM
1. It wouldn't suit Alien. Alien = Realism.

In Covenant you have a Gothic atmosphere in both; in the aesthetic of the setting and in the narrative of the film. That is closer to the romanticism spectrum than to realism. Also, please don't act like we're talking about hard science fiction movies; since the Alien films are generally flexible in terms of the rules and laws of science. Yes, we aren't talking about something along the lines of Star Wars or Twin Peaks; but neither about something similar to Gravity or Europa Report.

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 06:23:18 PM
2. It could be done separate from Alien, with the Giger aesthetic but that's Species...
Species exists, it would essentially be a Species reboot.

1. I have never said this. My words were "not necessary an Alien movie". Call it spin off, spiritual sequel or whatever.

2. What is wrong with an hypothetical Species Reboot? Prometheus is essentially a "Mission to Mars" reboot.

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 06:23:18 PM
3. Which is UTS, which dismissed the corny/silly aspects and elevated the concept to perfection- and did it with class.

And ??? What is the silly part in the idea?

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 06:23:18 PM
The idea's redundant.

Again, Prometheus is essentially "Mission to Mars" with big budget. Also, you don't seem to have any problem with Alien: Isolation, which is the same successful formula. But that's the point anyway: you can make it work if it's done right.

Mission To Mars was a big budget Mission To Mars.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 18, 2018, 08:31:00 PM

No but you're acting like the kind of person who contemplate there is only one right way things should be done and that is their way and think everyone else is wrong. It can work when we are dealing with the science vs bulshit debate, but not so much when we are arguing about art or fictional worlds. Honestly, it's only help you to look like an arrogant poster.

Opinion.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 18, 2018, 08:37:08 PM

In Covenant you have a Gothic atmosphere in both; in the aesthetic of the setting and in the narrative of the film. That is closer to the romanticism spectrum than to realism. Also, please don't act like we're talking about hard science fiction movies; since the Alien films are generally flexible in terms of the rules and laws of science. Yes, we aren't talking about something along the lines of Star Wars or Twin Peaks; but neither about something similar to Gravity or Europa Report.

Genre has nothing to do with whether a work is realistic or unrealistic.
A space-succubus doesn't belong in the setting Alien established.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 18, 2018, 08:37:08 PM

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 06:23:18 PM
2. It could be done separate from Alien, with the Giger aesthetic but that's Species...
Species exists, it would essentially be a Species reboot.

1. I have never said this. My words were "not necessary an Alien movie". Call it spin off, spiritual sequel or whatever.

2. What is wrong with an hypothetical Species Reboot?

1. Fair enough.

2. Nothing, if you do it with some self awareness- but if you try to take yourself seriously- it's both redundant (UTS)
& a bad idea.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 18, 2018, 08:37:08 PM

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 06:23:18 PM
3. Which is UTS, which dismissed the corny/silly aspects and elevated the concept to perfection- and did it with class.

And ??? What is the silly part in the idea?

Because;
The whole siren/succubus played straight is kinda an old shitty, misogynistic, sexist idea.
https://www.ferris.edu/moso/objectification/womenasanimals/index.htm
UTS flipped it on it's head in it's narrative and by showing the world through the eyes of the "Alien" character.
So either you'll play it straight (Bad idea) or you turn it on it's head somehow and repeat UTS, but likely worse.

Prometheus & Alien Isolation aren't even comparable.

The reason Alien Isolation gets a pass from me is that it's in a different medium.
The reason I don't have a problem Prometheus rebooting Mission to Mars, is because Mission to Mars is shit.
But in the same vein, I'd also have no problem with a Prometheus reboot in fifteen years
because Prometheus is also shit.

Quote from: The Old One on Dec 18, 2018, 09:02:25 PM
1. Fair enough.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 18, 2018, 01:23:48 AM
Not necessarily an Alien movie, but a flick about a space succubus hunting humans through seduction. A Gigeresque female humanoid (similar to Sil but different) as the lead of a surreal journey with the "Under the Skin" kind of atmosphere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoSWbyvdhHw

Just admit you've been having too much black goo cocktails and are in the mood to watch some female alien on male human action  ;D

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 19, 2018, 02:30:17 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 18, 2018, 01:23:48 AM
Not necessarily an Alien movie, but a flick about a space succubus hunting humans through seduction. A Gigeresque female humanoid (similar to Sil but different) as the lead of a surreal journey with the "Under the Skin" kind of atmosphere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoSWbyvdhHw

Just admit you've been having too much black goo cocktails and are in the mood to watch some female alien on male human action  ;D

I'll take both of mine in female. Unless the alien female is a xenomorph? In which case, I will gladly represent humanity.  ;D

You should watch the movie Evil Aliens. Fun horror comedy with an interspecies banging scene if I'm not mistaken.
And yes, female alien on male human.
Not sure if she's your type though

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mansplat.com%2FEvil_Aliens_5.jpg&hash=63d453c591b0ec4b501a398aa6ab525fb99b8c72)

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Dec 19, 2018, 03:29:08 AM
You should watch the movie Evil Aliens. Fun horror comedy with an interspecies banging scene if I'm not mistaken.
And yes, female alien on male human.
Not sure if she's your type though

http://www.mansplat.com/Evil_Aliens_5.jpg

It would depend on several factors. It's breast not to rush these things.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 20, 2018, 03:37:54 AM

I see what you did there Huggs...

Who me?  ;D

They have this all over Fanfiction.net.

Not sure what it is about people wanting to bang Alien queens.

They're getting all the f**king comments despite being poorly written trash.

And yet Huggs is making me laugh.

- a new director (Riddles deserves to get da boot after 2 so-so movies)
- David's death happens off screen (cut his blade runners stuff, like he did with Space Jockeys)
- no facehuggers (save da moneey for sth else)

No Facehuggers?

What a bizarre
inclusion/exclusion.

Well the Deacon had the trilobyte starfish tentacle thingy and the neomorphs had the flying spores... so yea, they already tried ignoring the facehugger. Maybe he wants aliens that breed like gremlins. :P

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 03, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
Well the Deacon had the trilobyte starfish tentacle thingy and the neomorphs had the flying spores... so yea, they already tried ignoring the facehugger. Maybe he wants aliens that breed like gremlins. :P

Almost nothing would shock me at this point.

I'm still waiting for flying xenos to hit the big screen.

Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Jan 03, 2019, 09:11:04 AM
- no facehuggers (save da moneey for sth else)

The money you'd save on a rubber prop you could literally just glue to someone's face for one or two shots is entirely negligible on a studio feature film budget.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 04, 2019, 10:21:36 AM
I'm still waiting for flying xenos to hit the big screen.

It would be cool to see a sequence on film inspired by that Operation Aliens picture of that massive flying Queen chasing a Cheyenne Dropship.

More Engineers. I want to see some get chest bursted, ripped apart, F&*d up.

Quote from: Billiken on Jan 04, 2019, 11:28:53 PM
More Engineers. I want to see some get chest bursted, ripped apart, F&*d up.

Yes! And an Ultramorph (Engineer-born Xeno). I'd want it to act like the slow and sadistic big chap when killing unarmed prey but also be able to wreak swift absolute destruction when facing more dangerous prey.

I want more Engineers and/or new stuff instead of the usual egg, facehugger and xeno (or ultra).
New creatures could mean new behaviour leading to less predictable situations and storylines.
Otherwise it's more of the usual against a different background.

I'd also enjoy an Engineer only movie. But I would prefer there to be some form of Xenomorph in there.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Jan 05, 2019, 10:35:14 AM
I'd also enjoy an Engineer only movie. But I would prefer there to be some form of Xenomorph in there.

I'd so want Mel Gibson to do a crazy Apocalypto-type movie about the Engineers.
Add a human crew arriving with a similar mission as the Prometheus but they end up in brutal rituals and stuff...

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Jan 05, 2019, 10:35:14 AM
I'd also enjoy an Engineer only movie. But I would prefer there to be some form of Xenomorph in there.

I wouldn't have mind Alien: Engineers/Genesis with the Alien-Aliens taken out. Same for Covenant. Just have them focus on the not quite-Aliens.

I just want to see how those eggs got on the Alien ship from the original in 79. What were the writer's really thinking with that. did they ever explain it? cheers

The eggs were underneath the ship, in a cave system. It's possible that an injured alien (possibly a queen due to the number of eggs) melted its way through the floor of the derelict and into the caves below. The arrangement of the eggs is odd though, even for a queen.

Rumor has it that the eggs could be the morphed colonists from the Covenant. There are others here who know much more about this than I do though.

Quote from: Huggs on Jan 09, 2019, 06:57:50 AM
The eggs were underneath the ship, in a cave system.

This isn't a certainty.

Could just be impossible space.
Much like the APC.

It doesn't have to be impossible - just below ground.

Quote from: Billiken on Jan 09, 2019, 06:53:13 AM
I just want to see how those eggs got on the Alien ship from the original in 79. What were the writer's really thinking with that. did they ever explain it? cheers

The eggs were originally indigenous to the planetoid deep inside a pyramid.  The Jockey landed at some point, checked it out, got impregnated, carnage ensued.  Budgetary restrictions forced a change to put the eggs in the hold of the Jockey ship instead.

The Aliens were originally conceived as long lived and highly intelligent creatures - once they overcame their adolescent bloodlust.  They were wiped out by a planetwide cataclysm.

But if it's below ground, that means the ship's shape is completely different from the Juggernaut's design.
(Or it's a separate structure, which I doubt narratively speaking.)

Hell, I'm pretty sure the tunnel off in the distance runs in the opposite direction of the ship's prongs.
I fully expect them to just "reinterpret" the cargo hold if it appears in a film again, like Alien Isolation.
With the tunnel running in the same direction and altered to fit more logically into the ship's layout.
The Space Jockey chair pushed closer to the interior ceiling.


@SM

Even if that logically should be this case,
I doubt it will be on film.

QuoteBut if it's below ground, that means the ship's shape is completely different from the Juggernaut's design.

Not completely, but significantly.

Quote from: SM on Jan 09, 2019, 07:04:23 AM
It doesn't have to be impossible - just below ground.

Quote from: Billiken on Jan 09, 2019, 06:53:13 AM
I just want to see how those eggs got on the Alien ship from the original in 79. What were the writer's really thinking with that. did they ever explain it? cheers

The eggs were originally indigenous to the planetoid deep inside a pyramid.  The Jockey landed at some point, checked it out, got impregnated, carnage ensued.  Budgetary restrictions forced a change to put the eggs in the hold of the Jockey ship instead.

The Aliens were originally conceived as long lived and highly intelligent creatures - once they overcame their adolescent bloodlust.  They were wiped out by a planetwide cataclysm.

I'm so glad this didn't come about. The Xeno's acting intelligent enough to forego killing everything would be immensely unsatisfying. I hope they never screw around with this. Their origin is one thing, their nature is another.

As do I.  If we ever see the Derelict off the ground it'll just look like a u-shaped Juggernaut, with no bulbous protruding ventral hold.

Quote from: Huggs on Jan 09, 2019, 07:15:44 AM

Quote from: SM on Jan 09, 2019, 07:04:23 AM
It doesn't have to be impossible - just below ground.

Quote from: Billiken on Jan 09, 2019, 06:53:13 AM
I just want to see how those eggs got on the Alien ship from the original in 79. What were the writer's really thinking with that. did they ever explain it? cheers

The eggs were originally indigenous to the planetoid deep inside a pyramid.  The Jockey landed at some point, checked it out, got impregnated, carnage ensued.  Budgetary restrictions forced a change to put the eggs in the hold of the Jockey ship instead.

The Aliens were originally conceived as long lived and highly intelligent creatures - once they overcame their adolescent bloodlust.  They were wiped out by a planetwide cataclysm.

I'm so glad this didn't come about. The Xeno's acting intelligent enough to forego killing everything would be immensely unsatisfying. I hope they never screw around with this. Their origin is one thing, their nature is another.

If it was only one movie, we'd still see what we got to see, leaving their highly intelligent status a mystery.
And we would've gotten a pyramid  ;D

Quote from: The Old One on Jan 09, 2019, 07:01:24 AM

Quote from: Huggs on Jan 09, 2019, 06:57:50 AM
The eggs were underneath the ship, in a cave system.

This isn't a certainty.

Could just be impossible space.
Much like the APC.

Well said The Old One.

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Quote from: SM on Jan 09, 2019, 07:04:23 AM
It doesn't have to be impossible - just below ground.

Quote from: Billiken on Jan 09, 2019, 06:53:13 AM
I just want to see how those eggs got on the Alien ship from the original in 79. What were the writer's really thinking with that. did they ever explain it? cheers

The eggs were originally indigenous to the planetoid deep inside a pyramid.  The Jockey landed at some point, checked it out, got impregnated, carnage ensued.  Budgetary restrictions forced a change to put the eggs in the hold of the Jockey ship instead.

The Aliens were originally conceived as long lived and highly intelligent creatures - once they overcame their adolescent bloodlust.  They were wiped out by a planetwide cataclysm.

The Aliens' long heads suggest the possibility of higher intelligence, but I am glad this route was not taken.  They are very good just being supremely fearsome.

Given all the retroactive activity that has already transpired I can see Ridley changing his mind yet again and making it a cavern beneath the ship, something David constructed, etc.

@The Old One, SiL

Wouldn't you save much money with all the facehugger animations? All the facehugger running around and stuff.

Again, you could just have the facehugger as an inanimate puppet like the first film. Either way, the money saved would be very negligible on a big budget production -- the huggers rarely feature that much after the first act.

^

Huggers were well actually very well done in Covenant and i too think that effect of removing facehuggers would be minimal to the overall budget.

As what i't like from future. Id like it too include the feel and atmosphere made by this particular scene below (never seen the full movie), something like the discovery of Space Jockey and incorporate it in a film that has strong writing and characters. Characters can do stupid things that results them become the victim, but please do it in plausible way, or smartly turn your attention to other elements so that the stupidity doesn't take you out from the movie, how to do it (Alien), how not to (the prequels).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5e2wzjuwJQ&t=2s




Have people behave and talk like people not actors phoning it in a generic netflix flix. How to do it- Alien, Close Counters of the Third Kind.

Like this scene here:




And if you are going to make a film that is part of the original Alien universe, make it gel also visually. How to do it -Alien: Isolation, but don't go overboard with the retro stuff.

Incorporate existential themes and references to classic literature as much as you like but only if you have the intellectual competence to pull it off, don't do it if you come off as a pretentious 8th grader.

Most importantly don't greenlit the film if the story isn't solid enough to be worthy to the franchise, make something else instead.

Sequel to my Alien: Apocalypto idea.

Part 1 was: David's escape pod lands on a planet with primitive human(oid)s in an Apocalypto type setting. He's looked at as a prophet/god and influences the society. Years later a WY crew arrives, they tracked David and are still after his knowledge. Stuff happens.

So Part 2: Many years later another WY crew arrives. They make contact with the local civilization. One of the crew members recognises David in local statues and finds out their out of commision prophet/god is stored in a tomb. The crew member resurrects David and more and also other stuff happens.

I wouldn't call the likes of an accomplished playwright (John Logan) an 8th grader lmao  :D

Reposting here because I'd love to see it -

I think David will want an army of automated pilots to spread his creatures throughout the galaxy, thus it follows that he may capture some engineers, conduct sexual (but not sexy  ;D) mutations on them/insert technology in them, etc, etc, and implant them biomechanically to the juggernaut chairs, thus those particular engineers will be enslaved to serve David for that singular purpose of piloting the juggs to infect worlds; he'll make them one with the Jockey chairs, metamorphosed and elephantine.

:-*

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 03, 2019, 06:25:17 AM
I wouldn't call the likes of an accomplished playwright (John Logan) an 8th grader lmao  :D

Reposting here because I'd love to see it -

I think David will want an army of automated pilots to spread his creatures throughout the galaxy, thus it follows that he may capture some engineers, conduct sexual (but not sexy  ;D) mutations on them/insert technology in them, etc, etc, and implant them biomechanically to the juggernaut chairs, thus those particular engineers will be enslaved to serve David for that singular purpose of piloting the juggs to infect worlds; he'll make them one with the Jockey chairs, metamorphosed and elephantine.

:-*

Mr. Sulu, engage the Automatic Sex Pilot

Mmmmm  :D ;D :-* :-* :-*

I have idea for Alien movie that i personally would like to see. I want to see a story of some man due to circumstances ends trapped in small spaceship with one xeno with him. There is door that separate them from each other. And then after some time gone he starts to feel something like Stockholm syndrome with xeno, tries to talk with him (still not opening that door), goes more and more insane due to his loneless and...
I think there are possibilities for interesting story

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 03, 2019, 06:25:17 AM
I wouldn't call the likes of an accomplished playwright (John Logan) an 8th grader lmao  :D

Reposting here because I'd love to see it -

I think David will want an army of automated pilots to spread his creatures throughout the galaxy, thus it follows that he may capture some engineers, conduct sexual (but not sexy  ;D) mutations on them/insert technology in them, etc, etc, and implant them biomechanically to the juggernaut chairs, thus those particular engineers will be enslaved to serve David for that singular purpose of piloting the juggs to infect worlds; he'll make them one with the Jockey chairs, metamorphosed and elephantine.

:-*

That's actually not bad.

Pretty good eh, the only compromise you'll get for elephantine Jockeys at this point. They won't even be like engineers, not after David's done with them; they'll be enlarged, biomechanically grafted, enslaved to serve as lesser beings to David should. I think it'd work.

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 03, 2019, 02:28:09 PM
Pretty good eh, the only compromise you'll get for elephantine Jockeys at this point. They won't even be like engineers, not after David's done with them; they'll be enlarged, biomechanically grafted, enslaved to serve as lesser beings to David should. I think it'd work.

Something like this could help me get behind the idea of David as the Xenomorph creator.

Have David use the pathogen as a source for these Engineer/Jockey experiments. Where the Engineers once used the pathogen to break down their DNA and create human life, David uses the pathogen to break down some of his mechanical elements and biologically infuse it not only into his final/perfected Aliens but also into his "Space Jockey" experiments. He hates his creators (humanity) and their creators (the Engineers) but rather than simply exterminating the rest of the Engineers as he did the sect on Planet 4, he will instead mock the race's inferiority and physical/mental shortcomings by subjecting them to his own perfected biomichanical whims... the whims of the hated offspring of their hated offspring.

To be honest though, I still wouldn't be shocked if somehow old man Riddlez intends for the original Space Jockey to be David grafted to that chair due to one of his experiments with the pathogen gone awry.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 03, 2019, 02:37:39 PM

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 03, 2019, 02:28:09 PM
Pretty good eh, the only compromise you'll get for elephantine Jockeys at this point. They won't even be like engineers, not after David's done with them; they'll be enlarged, biomechanically grafted, enslaved to serve as lesser beings to David should. I think it'd work.

Something like this could help me get behind the idea of David as the Xenomorph creator.

Then we all shall be happy and juicy together. ;) ;D :-*

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 03, 2019, 03:00:07 PM

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 03, 2019, 02:37:39 PM

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 03, 2019, 02:28:09 PM
Pretty good eh, the only compromise you'll get for elephantine Jockeys at this point. They won't even be like engineers, not after David's done with them; they'll be enlarged, biomechanically grafted, enslaved to serve as lesser beings to David should. I think it'd work.

Something like this could help me get behind the idea of David as the Xenomorph creator.

Then we all shall be happy and juicy together. ;) ;D :-*

All are always happy in juicy-topia.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 03, 2019, 02:43:08 PM
Have David use the pathogen as a source for these Engineer/Jockey experiments. Where the Engineers once used the pathogen to break down their DNA and create human life, David uses the pathogen to break down some of his mechanical elements and biologically infuse it not only into his final/perfected Aliens but also into his "Space Jockey" experiments. He hates his creators (humanity) and their creators (the Engineers) but rather than simply exterminating the rest of the Engineers as he did the sect on Planet 4, he will instead mock the race's inferiority and physical/mental shortcomings by subjecting them to his own perfected biomichanical whims... the whims of the hated offspring of their hated offspring.

To be honest though, I still wouldn't be shocked if somehow old man Riddlez intends for the original Space Jockey to be David grafted to that chair due to one of his experiments with the pathogen gone awry.

Beautiful stuff. I'm fine with both. ;D It's full circle thematically, I prefer the former but David will fall as referenced in Ozymandias so I won't be surprised. Either way, bring it on.  :D ;D I will lick any tears shed, sweet salty juiciness.  :D ;) ;D

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(https://i.imgur.com/ND8bFdC.jpg)

This is what I'm talking about.  :o 8) Awesome art from Allen Williams, very Beksinski and Giger influenced - https://www.allenwilliamsstudio.com

Love that guys work. ^

Even If something like that happens with David heck it'd look so f**king cool I won't care that he's THE Jockey. He'd be so Other by that point anyway. ;D

Don't think David would change himself like that on purpose.
He looks at humans and Engineers as inferiour lifeforms. So it doesn't make sense that he would change himself to be more like them.

It'll be an Engineer in the seat of the Derelict. A humanoid. As depicted in Giger's murals. Nothing elephantine.
Something capable of hosting and feeding a parasite.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/ff/fc/ddfffc1c903554217640ca0dfd63d07a.png)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdefectiveyeti.com%2Fimages%2Falien_giger_big.jpg&hash=e6e58f060260146482fd1cfb5f4e562d8fb37d44)

That was more in regard to what he would do with the engineers, now as far as he's concerned he can turn into a full blown Giger rape robo-monster from hell, mmmm yes 8)

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(https://i.imgur.com/ofmrF56.jpg)

I think it's personally boring as piss if everything "Giger" originates from David and the Pathogen.

Prometheus 3: Alien Covenant 2: Electric Boogaloo will end with David using the pathogen to literally create H.R. Giger.

I hate to say it, but it makes sense.  He is a robot, so he can employ some robotic shapes like the tubes we see on the side of the Alien's head.  Also, this way, we can have a world which mixes organic and robotic in a dark symphony.  It is a way to differentiate the non-Giger aesthetic of Prometheus and the post-David influence on Engineer technology.

It not making sense is part of what I liked about it.

It only makes sense in that a confused android is fusing mechanical and biological elements to create the biomechanical aesthetic.  But since he is couple cans short of a six-pack, it actually makes no sense whatsoever.  It has no purpose other than to serve his madness.

Damn perfect organism you're making me juicy.  ;D

If Predator fans can have their Upgraded Predator...why we can't have the same but with the Engineers ???

(https://i.imgur.com/KlLbBvz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/89eR5vz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tLUcU6f.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yVtCrry.jpg)

 :D  :D :D

Das it. Comment of the day.

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Quote from: The Old One on Feb 08, 2019, 03:35:02 AM
It not making sense is part of what I liked about it.

Yeah but it's a penis fam, it's how you use it that counts.  ;D

*Screams*

Make the Space Jockey great again? I can dig that. Maybe if I make hats with that line it will work.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 08, 2019, 11:07:15 AM
Make the Space Jockey great again?

Sounds like something Trump would say  :laugh:  "Make x great again!"

AVPGalaxy should consider making these:

(https://i.imgflip.com/2t5y84.jpg)

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 08, 2019, 04:11:05 AM
Damn perfect organism you're making me juicy.  ;D

:o

#Thirst.

Here's some more juice, here's the transformation, the apotheosis of David's exponential madness and sexual repression:

From this:
(https://i.imgur.com/xSnLkMG.jpg)


To this:

(https://i.imgur.com/peA07AH.jpg)


And Ripley or whoever the f**k will be like, "muh flamethrower", and tries to kill him, but he keeps growing and growing, and she'll be like, "I can't kill this thing", and then a de-aged Lance Henrikson bishop bot comes and gets all juicy with the David abomination; weird sexual things happen, wires, cables intertwine and drip with that milky android semen-blood and pathogen ooze... Ripley escapes, flies off in her shuttle, as the planet gets overwhelmed by juiciness. The end.  ;D ;D ;D :D :D

I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to go about your interview without Hicks closing the thread down because you went a little too far in your answer.

Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 09, 2019, 02:52:39 PM
I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to go about your interview without Hicks closing the thread down because you went a little too far in your answer.

Spoiler tags.

 :D ;D ;D
It's an R-rated franchise, expect juicy discourse. ;D

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Don't worry I'll keep it academic and succinct, and leave the juiciness to these threads.

Juiciness.

"Quite juicy, I assure you"

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 03:15:46 PM
I think it's personally boring as piss if everything "Giger" originates from David and the Pathogen.

yeah it's a bit crap. Although a lot of the Prometheus stuff does have Giger in it. Honestly it doesn't seem like any of it had a plan, just seems like they blew it because they wanted Aliens in it.

Nah it's awesome, it's all an intergalactic rape/orgy, so juicy, the pathogen's source is still unknown, who the hell knows where that green crystal came from, that's the new space jockey.  ;D

I disagree.

The crystal's nothing, it's a mystery box.

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 05:01:40 AM
I disagree.

The crystal's nothing, it's a mystery box.

Another world, another time, in the age of wonder. A thousand years ago, this land was green and good - until the Crystal cracked!

@Topic

Tristan Jones' Graphic Novel.

What crystal?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2019, 09:09:26 AM
What crystal?

The one in the Engineer's dashboard chair thingie. David uses it to start up the map of the universe in Prometheus.

(https://i.stack.imgur.com/tMjTH.png)

They should throw it in the snow.  See if it creates a fortress.

#Justice4Turk, is that a reference to Turk 182?

Yeah it's a lindelofian mystery box, but naoowwwi it's green resin or semen from yuggoth. ;D

Quote from: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 09:12:54 AM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2019, 09:09:26 AM
What crystal?

The one in the Engineer's dashboard chair thingie. David uses it to start up the map of the universe in Prometheus.

(https://i.stack.imgur.com/tMjTH.png)

Alien droppings.

Quote from: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 04:31:01 PM

Quote from: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 09:12:54 AM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2019, 09:09:26 AM
What crystal?

The one in the Engineer's dashboard chair thingie. David uses it to start up the map of the universe in Prometheus.

(https://i.stack.imgur.com/tMjTH.png)

Alien droppings.

Clearly, the Engineers couldn't use it for fertilizer, so they had to find another use for it.

Quote from: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 10:06:09 AM
#Justice4Turk, is that a reference to Turk 182?

:laugh:

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 05:01:40 AM
The crystal's nothing, it's a mystery box.

It's an energy source or regulation device, left over from the Alien: Engineers script and accompanying concept art.

Quote from: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 09:12:54 AM
The one in the Engineer's dashboard chair thingie. David uses it to start up the map of the universe in Prometheus.
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/tMjTH.png)

No, in the ampule room.
David uses the flute and buttons to start the map.

The green crystal is likely a quick bandage slapped over the Engineer bowl that was originally intended to be there because the powers that be probably realized that using a bowl similar to the sacrificial Engineer's bowl from the beginning would have caused people to ask questions linking the two that would have ultimately been irrelevant/distracted from the actual story they were telling.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FphtQu.jpg&hash=7bbc0a74967d3f620d201954d9a677e2)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZHpJr7_5Mjg/maxresdefault.jpg)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2019, 12:56:13 AM
The green crystal is likely a quick bandage slapped over the Engineer bowl that was originally intended to be there because the powers that be probably realized that using a bowl similar to the sacrificial Engineer's bowl from the beginning would have caused people to ask questions linking the two that would have ultimately been irrelevant/distracted from the actual story they were telling.

I wish they kept the bowl. But only if we got a different sequel.

They probably had lots of cool ideas. Then they just gave up and made Alien 2.

I doubt David was the original creator in the Prometheus timeline.

Quote from: Highland on Feb 21, 2019, 04:29:04 AM
They probably had lots of cool ideas. Then they just gave up and made Alien 2.

I doubt David was the original creator in the Prometheus timeline.

He wasn't.
But because of forced early introduction of the xeno, he is now.

Who would have thought the Alien would kill its own Franchise.

Mind you the SJ is still a thorn in the side.

I'm just gonna come out and say it, if there is ever a third prequel film it NEEDS to have an Ultramorph (Engineer-born Xenomorph)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2019, 12:56:13 AM
The green crystal is likely a quick bandage slapped over the Engineer bowl that was originally intended to be there because the powers that be probably realized that using a bowl similar to the sacrificial Engineer's bowl from the beginning would have caused people to ask questions linking the two that would have ultimately been irrelevant/distracted from the actual story they were telling.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FphtQu.jpg&hash=7bbc0a74967d3f620d201954d9a677e2)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZHpJr7_5Mjg/maxresdefault.jpg)

If only it had be a gigerian Jack-in-the-box.

John Logan et al. would not have just made a satanic, sexually repressed A.I. the creator of the titular creature on a whim or without much thought. Look through Giger's art, it's all cyborg sex and penetration baby; landscapes of penis, too.  ;D

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 22, 2019, 12:15:04 AM
John Logan et al. would not have just made a satanic, sexually repressed A.I. the creator of the titular creature on a whim or without much thought. Look through Giger's art, it's all cyborg sex and penetration baby; landscapes of penis, too.  ;D

There's some vulva hidden in there ya know. Some nice mounds too.

It's all rather titular, isn't it?

Well now look what you've done, I'm all juicy again.

Yes, so much anatomy, me thinks Giger was a little horny and juicy like, all the time.  ;D

Most dangerous drinking game: take a shot every time Necro says something regarding the word "juicy."

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 22, 2019, 02:49:39 AM
Yes, so much anatomy, me thinks Giger was a little horny and juicy like, all the time.  ;D

Methinks you're a little horny and juicy all the time.  Seriously, every post.  Juicy, juicy, juicy.  You're almost at that "too much sex" point Bro!

I'll die.

 ;D ;D ;D :D
The penis is a burden, yes.

Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 22, 2019, 03:00:14 AM
Most dangerous drinking game: take a shot every time Necro says something regarding the word "juicy."

Are you trying to get us all killed?

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 22, 2019, 03:46:51 AM
;D ;D ;D :D
The penis is a burden, yes.

Well, mine can be alittle big and heavy, but I wouldn't call it a burden ;D

It's burdensome only insofar that it's never satisfied. ;D

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 22, 2019, 04:46:22 AM
It's burdensome only insofar that it's never satisfied. ;D

Must take after its old man.  :laugh:

Jesus Christ.

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 22, 2019, 04:53:04 AM
Jesus Christ.

How may I help you?

 :D ;D

For God's sake. Can we make it a little less horny around here, please.

Feeling a little biomechanically juicy?

(https://fierceliveshere.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/hr_giger_desktop_1200x808_wallpaper-179171.jpeg)

Does anyone remember when people used to listen to the admins?  :'(

I give up. 

(https://s25.postimg.cc/x0hlyqykf/Sleep_Now.gif)

Sorry I just wanted an excuse to post that beautiful H.R. Giger piece.

Back to the topic at hand! I want a large scale infestation in the next Alien movie after the prequels. Perhaps a couple Praetorians for good measure. 

TOO LATE
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OpenWateryBarasinga-size_restricted.gif)

 :D :D ;D ;D

Necronomicon, what will we do with you...

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Quote from: Huggs on Feb 22, 2019, 04:05:10 AM

Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 22, 2019, 03:00:14 AM
Most dangerous drinking game: take a shot every time Necro says something regarding the word "juicy."

Are you trying to get us all killed?

I said it was dangerous. We can't all have Voodoo's liver.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 22, 2019, 09:49:47 AM
Does anyone remember when people used to listen to the admins?  :'(

I listen. 99% of the time.

The peeny has no ears.  ;D

Ahem, back on topic. It'd be cool to see the planet Thedus, some good old space mining, heck have the film take place primarily on a mining colony planet; grease and grime make a comeback that makes sense given the setting, and not merely to ape the grunge aesthetic. They'll mine and mine until they find this subterranean biomech world underneath the surface, it'll be David's version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, where instead of chocolate it's juice.  ;D

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 22, 2019, 02:09:20 PM
The peeny has no ears.  ;D

Ahem, back on topic. It'd be cool to see the planet Thedus, some good old space mining, heck have the film take place primarily on a mining colony planet; grease and grime make a comeback that makes sense given the setting, and not merely to ape the grunge aesthetic. They'll mine and mine until they find this subterranean biomech world underneath the surface, it'll be David's version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, where instead of chocolate it's juice.  ;D

I think I just heard Hicks hit his head on his desk.

Giger would be proud.

But we are a little traumatized.

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Join us in the Recess Thread where you can talk as much juice as you want to.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?board=34.0

Now please, leave my topic alone. And get off my lawn!

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 23, 2019, 02:59:20 AM
Join us in the Recess Thread where you can talk as much juice as you want to.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?board=34.0

Now please, leave my topic alone. And get off my lawn!

It's a lie! Don't listen to him!

Quote from: Huggs on Feb 23, 2019, 03:03:46 AM

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 23, 2019, 02:59:20 AM
Join us in the Recess Thread where you can talk as much juice as you want to.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?board=34.0

Now please, leave my topic alone. And get off my lawn!

It's a lie! Don't listen to him!

We only have room for one total nut there, and it should've been Verm.

But, no, it's Baron.

Hold my beer...

Am i the only one who doesn't get this "juiciment" stuff?

Be thankful.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 26, 2019, 11:17:08 PM
Be thankful.

For what?  ???

You're not missing anything.

Unless part 3 (if we get it or not) is everything Prometheus and Covenant should've been, I hope someone remakes them before I die.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 28, 2019, 04:39:46 AM
Unless part 3 (if we get it or not) is everything Prometheus and Covenant should've been, I hope someone remakes them before I die.

Agreed.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 28, 2019, 04:39:46 AM
Unless part 3 (if we get it or not) is everything Prometheus and Covenant should've been, I hope someone remakes them before I die.

The whole series or just the prequels?

Prometheus.

Neither!

Thankfully it'll probably never happen anyway.

Same thing can be said for Covenant, and is, often.

Remaking movies that we were lucky to get in the first place, is something I never see happening.

Even if it would just be Prometheus, the prequel's flow just fine as they are . That they were wasted potential, is just the way it all worked out. Frankly, we'll be lucky to get the third one.

Quote from: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 09:10:08 PM
Remaking movies that we were lucky to get in the first place, is something I never see happening.

Even if it would just be Prometheus, the prequel's flow just fine as they are . That they were wasted potential, is just the way it all worked out. Frankly, we'll be lucky to get the third one.

This! Same reason why I dislike the idea of Alien 3.2.

Eh. Things should just be left the way the are imo.

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:15:02 PM
A Prometheus remake, should be on the cards -remake things deserving a good remake, not a concept that was already well-executed the first time; Alien, Predator, RoboCop, Total Recall.  Et cetera.

Not always. Ocean's 11. Cape Fear. The Thing. True Grit. The Fly and so on were all good remakes of good films.

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:19:34 PM
But current Prometheus is shit, and instead could've/should've been a masterpiece.

Critics and general audiences both feel Alien Covenant is worse sh*t than Prometheus and could have been a masterpiece and course correcting. If blame needs to go anywhere, it's just Ridley in general.

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:19:34 PM
But current Prometheus is shit, and instead could've/should've been a masterpiece.

How do you usually respond to allegations that Prometheus was, in fact, a good movie?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 09:29:26 PM

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:19:34 PM
But current Prometheus is shit, and instead could've/should've been a masterpiece.

How do you usually respond to allegations that Prometheus was, in fact, a good movie?

You're about to find out.

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Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:19:34 PM
But current Prometheus is shit, and instead could've/should've been a masterpiece.

Well. No. It's flawed but still a decent film.

It's at least better than Covenant. Significantly.

Quote from: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 09:46:25 PM

Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:19:34 PM
But current Prometheus is shit, and instead could've/should've been a masterpiece.

Well. No. It's flawed but still a decent film.

It's at least better than Covenant. Significantly.

Significantly indeed.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
Critics and general audiences both feel Alien Covenant is worse sh*t than Prometheus and could have been a masterpiece and course correcting. If blame needs to go anywhere, it's just Ridley in general.

Prometheus is better than covenant in my opinion . Better sets, better locations, superior cast, etc. it's an actual giger environment. We get to see the juggernauts again , the prometheus is more aesthetically pleasing and interesting . David is more reserved and Reigned in . He is not babbling on endlessly about philosophy and crying/fluting himself to death. He is working behind-the-scenes, experimenting, and discovering things . His work is already finished in covenant, we get to see very little.

The music is wonderful, particularly in the map sequence with David . It also feels like a much darker film . It might not make enormous amounts of sense , but it feels far more alien than covenant does. Covenant is pretty to look at, but it is the David show set on a Flintstone world . Too much daylight, too much stone , too much follow me and listen . I preferred it when he was one of many, and the whole cast mattered. Not to mention, the cast was actually good. And having zero engineers in covenant, was just as bad if not worse than having no aliens in Prometheus.

@Huggs

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Don't see why people care so much about remakes and/or alternative sequels.
No one's forcing you to watch them.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2019, 09:40:32 PM
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2019, 09:52:12 PM
@Huggs

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How about we keep the gif-ing in the recreational section?

Let's not get after each other now. Let's keep the conversation rolling .

If it is any consolation I was born a giffer. That's what the doctor said to my mother when I was born. "Congratulations, you have a giffer."  My Dad wasn't too thrilled but my Mom was proud.

But I do believe Huggs makes strong points across the board about Prometheus. Hence the support. :)

Covenant feels more 'whole' to me. It has better pacing and less edited scenes that should've stayed in. Crew is still behaving dumb but at least they are not scientists. I don't mind the David show because he makes an excellent villain. Prometheus has a great first half, but it all falls apart after that.

Interesting take on how David will fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLhfOvzRZVM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLhfOvzRZVM)

People who call Prometheus deep have never watched a real 'deep' movie.

Presumptuous.

I think Prometheus would have been deeper had it been a stand alone movie without connections to Alien.

I disagree.
The quality of the script wouldn't be improved if it was divorced from Alien,
a superior script would improve it.

Hell, I think Prometheus would have worked better as a sequel to Alien 3 (or even AR) than a prequel to the entire series.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 03, 2019, 01:33:16 AM
Hell, I think Prometheus would have worked better as a sequel to Alien 3 (or even AR) than a prequel to the entire series.

Someone going to post-Ripley fury 161 or lv426 would be wild. Areas long abandoned by the company, now scavenged.

"Something has been found"

Hell, even if the story was relatively unchanged it could have still worked.  Peter Weyland needn't have been the founder of the company, but rather a descendant of the founder who sought immortality.

No more conflict with AvP either.

AVP gone = good, but regardless- correct.

After that pathetic display he put on in front of the engineer, I don't care what they do with weyland. Write him out, change his history, his hair, make him heir to the crispy cream dynasty. As long as he's not integral to the story anymore.

Name the company after Buck Weyland. A philanthropic country music star.

Peter Weyland's radical.

Top tier, TED Talk and the Prologue!

Prometheus? The script's garbage,
the Peter Weyland Prometheus version's garbage.
Wow, astonished.

How about if Peter Weyland wasn't really old, just afflicted with Methuselah Syndrome (as a nod to Blade Runner)?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 03, 2019, 03:09:01 AM
How about if Peter Weyland wasn't really old, just afflicted with Methuselah Syndrome (as a nod to Blade Runner)?

Then I'd say Vickers grew up pretty damn fast.

True.  Of course, they didn't have to cast Theron in the role.  They could have gone with someone closer to Weaver's age in the original Alien.

Quote from: Huggs on Mar 03, 2019, 03:02:35 AM
After that pathetic display he put on in front of the engineer, I don't care what they do with weyland. Write him out, change his history, his hair, make him heir to the crispy cream dynasty. As long as he's not integral to the story anymore.

Name the company after Buck Weyland. A philanthropic country music star.

Where is the petition for this? I need to sign it.

Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Guy Pearce, Sean Harris, Rafe Spall...

A dream cast, wasted. Ugh.

I want a movie that doesn't need a sequel.

The problem is the idea of sequels.

The alien films each stood on their own.

You go into it needing to do sequels, and suddenly you have characters you can't kill, places you can't go, stuff you can't show, ideas you can't explore fully, etc. You have to add just enough and leave everything hanging. That's a bad formula.

David's arc and the introduction of the alien should've been finished in Prometheus. Now it's stuck in limbo, and we've got several hours of "wing it". Scott should've gone all in on Prometheus. The budget and public interest was there.

Pure waste.

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I want a new claustrophobic space horror movie like ALIEN with a new life form with a different life cycle - but possibly related to the xenomorph.
Don't get me wrong, I must be one of the biggest fans of the first two Alien movies but by now I know the xenomorph as well as my own mother.
I would love to see a new Alien movie and I couldn't wait to watch PROMETHEUS. I thought: 'Now that is really clever. A prequel to Alien, avoiding all the Alcatraz in space and other irrelevant stuff they threw in the sequels. Now we know why the spaceship crashed on LV-426 and what the space jockey was.
Damn, it was a soapy big guy in a suit and in Covenant robot David created the xenomorph which makes 'Alien' not even 'Alien' to begin with.
He does know how to play the flute however.
But that's not really why I was watching the movie.

Then there was the other Alien 5 movie by Neill Bloomkamp which I'm sure would have been great - but James Cameron pushed Alien towards the action/combat movie and although I loved it I am weary the Bloomkamp movie would mean more combat. It's okay but the thing I loved about ALIEN is that you had a group of truckers in space whom had no idea what they encountered, what they were up against and no idea how to defend themselves. And all was as alien as can be.

I don't need really new, original concepts like an angry plant from Mars.
The concept of encountering a malignant alien life form and all hell breaking loose works fine by me. It's just that I have seen the xenomorph: I think it's difficult to have an unsuspecting astronaut bend over a cocoon and get the 1979 scare again. (unless you never saw Alien)

I'm not saying: get rid of the entire thing'. On the contrary: use the same concept but bring in a life form which is a distant cousin of the xenomorph who by default gets out of bed on the wrong side . Something we haven't seen yet, something even more terrifying.
I would be thrilled to see something which life cycle is completely unknown to me - or the crew who encounters this life form.

That would be the new ALIEN type of movie I would love to watch.
Hey, I would be thrilled to see Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn in Alien 5. Would LOVE it.
But these projects... by the time those studios green light it, we're already in the Prometheus times...

Quote from: Aldo on Mar 29, 2019, 03:00:37 AM
I want a new claustrophobic space horror movie like ALIEN with a new life form with a different life cycle

LIFE?

Life, or the Neomorph, or The Thing etc.

Nah, Isolation proves the Alien's effective today.
Like a Vampire, Werewolf or Zombie it's the filmmakers behind the scenes that matters, and determines how terrifying the Alien is.

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Quote from: Aldo on Mar 29, 2019, 03:00:37 AM
I want a new claustrophobic space horror movie like ALIEN with a new life form with a different life cycle

LIFE?

Life was modern vomit.

Yeah, I was not a fan of Life unfortunately.

Life wasn't so bad. It could've been better.

You know, that's probably on a headstone somewhere.

Lol

I thought Life was good, but the monster was invincible which made it tiresome. There's just no point to horror movies if the monster is literally unstoppable. It just disengages my interest. The movie was also a bit too long.

Quote from: PsyKore on Apr 04, 2019, 12:23:38 AM
I thought Life was good, but the monster was invincible which made it tiresome. There's just no point to horror movies if the monster is literally unstoppable. It just disengages my interest. The movie was also a bit too long.

Big Chap was basically invincible, as was Runner. Super strong, intelligent, on the loose and killing everyone. Basically as unstoppable as Calvin. The only way to defeat them without firepower was to formulate a plan.

The more formidable the monster, the better. Stronger than the strong, more intelligent than the intelligent. The challenge and risk is much greater, the victory more sweet, or the loss more understandable. Most movie monsters come with weaknesses that the human characters can exploit to save the day. It's refreshing to go against formula and have our side hopelessly outgunned, regardless of our best efforts.

Incorrect, they aren't invincible. [The original Alien, The Matriarch, The Dragon, Stompy.] 
They just didn't have the means available to kill them.

By comparison, Calvin is literally invincible and it's uninteresting.

^ This.

Big Chap would die if you shot him in the face.

Which you could do, if you weren't in space and he bleeds acid.

Calvin was actually just impervious to any form of attack. It's very different.

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 04:50:46 AM
Incorrect, they aren't invincible. [The original Alien, The Matriarch, The Dragon, Stompy.] They just didn't have the means available to kill it.

By comparison, Calvin is literally invincible and it's uninteresting.

Hence, why I said "basically invincible" and "basically unstoppable". Look at the lead bath runner survived. Given the situations, there was no way to fight runner or big chap. The only way to have a chance at victory was to use intelligent planning, as the crew did with Calvin. I think that's a good thing.

They eventually surmised that it might be legitimately possible that Calvin "could"  survive reentry, though he might not have if they had all gone down with the ship.

He was tough. Solid muscle. But that still likely wouldn't save him from rifle fire. Nor do I think it would have saved him from a detonation the size of the nostromo. It would've vaporized every cell of him. I also think big chap was no slouch, considering he survived in space, and that he apparently survived a face full of thruster.

So consequently, I think Calvan is more like the Alien than folks think. Against several lightly armed space folk, he ruled. Against a truckload of heavily armed marines, and in a gravitational environment, he might not have moved or done as well.

Life was just another version of alien. One with an ending where Ripley either didn't know the creature was there on the narcissus, or was unable to jettison it out into space.

Calvin also has a silly name.

Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2019, 05:47:30 AM
Calvin also has a silly name.

Well, there's some things plot armor just can't save you from.

I think that's the issue there - it's just plot armour. The Alien is unstoppable because of creative circumstances. Calvin's unstoppable because f**k you. There's a huge difference in the psychology involved.

Jason got a lot less interesting when he was just a literal, unstoppable monster.

I just thought that we now need to add Jason X to Alien rip-offs and requels.

I mean the writer called one of the characters Dallas because he loves Alien so much so... pretty much :laugh:

But is Jason X better than AvP:R?

Is Jason X's Dallas better than AvP:R's Dallas?

... f**k that's a tough call.

Yes and no, in that order.

And the former is a "yes" just because the F13 franchise has much lower standards :P

I watched Jason X just a few months ago and don't even remember a Dallas. Too busy mirin Jason's gains to pay attention to names.

I think Dallas was actually played by the screenwriter, who had a role in the film. He's one of the first to die when Jason starts murdering people in the ship.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2019, 12:28:48 PM
... f**k that's a tough call.

Yes and no, in that order.

And the former is a "yes" just because the F13 franchise has much lower standards :P

Concur - I (sadly) did think about this and realised that I'd watched X many more times that AvP:R... and enjoyed it more than AvP:R.

Quote from: Russ on Apr 04, 2019, 12:56:58 PM

Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2019, 12:28:48 PM
... f**k that's a tough call.

Yes and no, in that order.

And the former is a "yes" just because the F13 franchise has much lower standards :P

Concur - I (sadly) did think about this and realised that I'd watched X many more times that AvP:R... and enjoyed it more than AvP:R.

Thirded. I now want to watch Jason X again.

Quote from: Stitch on Apr 07, 2019, 02:06:19 AM

Quote from: Russ on Apr 04, 2019, 12:56:58 PM

Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2019, 12:28:48 PM
... f**k that's a tough call.

Yes and no, in that order.

And the former is a "yes" just because the F13 franchise has much lower standards :P

Concur - I (sadly) did think about this and realised that I'd watched X many more times that AvP:R... and enjoyed it more than AvP:R.

Thirded. I now want to watch Jason X again.

After "Prometheus" came out, some on IMDb, who hated it, preferred "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" much more.
The opening sequences in "Prometheus" and "Covenant" show that Ridley was going for something very different from B movie horror.

;)

In a perfect world I would have a final Ridley Scott prequel film, Neill Blomkamp's Aliens continuation that passes the torch over to adult Newt for further films in that timeline, a Ripley 8 and Call centred post-Resurrection story perhaps an animated film (Sigourney Weaver and Winona Ryder as voice actors), an Aliens vs. Predator film set on an alien planet with Colonial Marines (start of a new trilogy), a Predator film with the return of Dutch, a Dystopian/Cyberpunk Predator film, Historic Predator films and animated anthologies of episodes by different writers and artists with Alien, Predator and AVP focused stories.

The above description of the Neill Blomkamp film is repugnant.
Neill Blomkamp's better than a cliché passing of the torch narrative.

&
The Alien films were always B-movies elevated to A,
but they haven't been elevated to A for 26 years.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Apr 09, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
In a perfect world I would have a final Ridley Scott prequel film, Neill Blomkamp's Aliens continuation that passes the torch over to adult Newt for further films in that timeline, a Ripley 8 and Call centred post-Resurrection story perhaps an animated film (Sigourney Weaver and Winona Ryder as voice actors), an Aliens vs. Predator film set on an alien planet with Colonial Marines (start of a new trilogy), a Predator film with the return of Dutch, a Dystopian/Cyberpunk Predator film, Historic Predator films and animated anthologies of episodes by different writers and artists with Alien, Predator and AVP focused stories.

Totally up for the Blomkamp film with Hicks and Newt as well as the Ridley conclusion.  Great idea.

The retcon/passing of the torch idea, is as "Great" as AVP/AVPR.
Fortunately, it's cancelled.

After D9, Elysium and Chappie, why anyone believes Neill Blomkamp's a good choice is beyond my comprehension.

I'm not keen on the passing the torch bit, but a better send-off for the characters would most likely be good for the series.

I can't look away from Chappie.  It's pretty good.

I don't think so, wasn't good for Halloween, a mediocre film and
they're back in the identical scenario of being unable to move on from marketable characters.

Newt drowned and hicks was crushed.

Sh*t happens.

How often do we see fatal crashes in reality where multiple members of a family are killed? Sometimes there's only one remaining survivor.

It's harsh and horrifying, but it's plausible and it's real. That the universe chose to be unforgiving after the events of aliens should not be that big of a deal.

Turning Ripley and Newt into old and young Sarah Connor is a money grabbing copout, that would serve no purpose other than to take something that has achieved a status of art, and turn it into a ludicrous cliche binge that hopefully attracts a younger crowd and their money. It would destroy the very soul of the franchise. Let Jurassic, and terminator, and star wars, and now the predator, and every other once proud franchise drag their knuckles across the ground for money.

Don't do it to Alien.

I firmly reject the notion that Ellen Ripley and co. are necessary for continued quality and success of the franchise.

#crewexpendable

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 09, 2019, 04:29:50 PM
Newt drowned and turk was crushed.

Fixed.

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 09, 2019, 04:29:50 PM
Newt drowned and Hicks crushed.

#crewexpendable
#respectthebeast

100% Agreed.

Well damn I respect that we want different things from the franchise but take it easy.

Newt growing up a scarred girl only knowing the fear of the Xenomorph for the rest of her life to finally conquer those feelings and confront the beast. This would be similar to Ripley's arc in the start of Aliens only she has known this fear most of her life. Ellen Ripley goes through one more perilous situation involving the Xenomorphs with Newt allowing for 2 more films with a hardened Newt. Just like Ripley in Alien 3 but in her own way. Perhaps Ripley dies in an even worse way in this film.

I get that Alien is not a forgiving universe and I like how Alien 3 cements that theme but I still think there is room for more stories with these characters and still be able to have that misanthropic vibe. It wouldn't delegitimatise Alien 3 in any way either if this film was ever made. There would just be two coinciding timelines. Or more if you want to include Aliens: Outbreak and William Gibson's Alien 3 (and a timeline where David does/does not create the Xenomorph species).

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Apr 09, 2019, 05:25:47 PM
Well damn I respect that we want different things from the franchise but take it easy.

My comment was a general statement. It was just an opinion. It was neither insulting nor directed at anyone in any way.

Why do I need to take it easy? What did I do or say that was out of line? Am I not allowed to feel passionate about my beliefs and to express them in a similar manner?


As for Newt growing up and confronting the aliens, I think that's a bad idea. It's cheesy, cliche, and low business. Not everyone conquers their fears, not everyone survives them either. That Newt never turned into Sarah Connor, is not a bad thing. Fire doesn't always forge heroes, some people just burn.

She doesn't necessarily have to be a hero. But forced to survive in situations involving the continued propagation of the Xenomorph.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Apr 09, 2019, 05:25:47 PM
Well damn I respect that we want different things from the franchise but take it easy.

Newt growing up a scarred girl only knowing the fear of the Xenomorph for the rest of her life to finally conquer those feelings and confront the beast. This would be similar to Ripley's arc in the start of Aliens only she has known this fear most of her life. Ellen Ripley goes through one more perilous situation involving the Xenomorphs with Newt allowing for 2 more films with a hardened Newt. Just like Ripley in Alien 3 but in her own way. Perhaps Ripley dies in an even worse way in this film.

I get that Alien is not a forgiving universe and I like how Alien 3 cements that theme but I still think there is room for more stories with these characters and still be able to have that misanthropic vibe. It wouldn't delegitimatise Alien 3 in any way either if this film was ever made. There would just be two coinciding timelines. Or more if you want to include Aliens: Outbreak and William Gibson's Alien 3 (and a timeline where David does/does not create the Xenomorph species).

I agree with your take on it but for this to work; to me it depends on the filmmaker who does it.
After "Chappie" and "Elysium" I don't trust Blomkamp to do a good job with an alternate Newt / Hicks w/ Ripley film.

This idea of Ripley/Hicks/Newt dealing again with a xenomorph attack was originally Cameron's idea during the filming of "Aliens".
If JC wrote the story and directed his concept for an "Aliens" sequel, I would definitely want to see it.

;)

A James Cameron Aliens sequel, following Ripley, (Bishop) Hicks and Newt's family unit?
A workable idea, in 1988-1996. Now? No.

No worries. I'd be keen.

Glad I get me some of that in the original trilogy of Aliens comics.

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"Great stuff!"

"Don't you start bullshitting."  ;D

Well, the first two's alright. lol My opinion's the novel adaptation of the trilogy is superior.

Let Carlos Huante design a bunch of cool new creatures, and then have a writer write a proper story involving those creatures.

Maybe a new parasite that lays multiple eggs who all hatch around the same time. Instead of one relatively fast chestburster type creature, several things emerge, slowy and painfully.

A creature with a cocoon phase. Maybe it's one of the above "chestbursting" larvae.
If the cocoon looks similar to an egg, we might think it's egg morphing only to be surprised.

I want a freakshow of horrific alien nature doing a number on arrogant humans.

Apart from a sequel? Noah Hawley's TV series.
Otherwise?
The Neomorph again, only translucent now,
the Alien designs from 1979, 1986, 1992 with 2014 design influence all alongside each other, but most of all I want David's belief deconstructed.

I want a new perspective, and a intelligent introspective look into today's fears about sex, and the evolution of that fear.
People aren't as white bread as forty years ago.
Apart from that, the above.

Yes please.

I like the interpretation of David's character as Nietzsche's Übermensch. He is intellectual, handsome, strong, independent, powerful (able to use his knowledge to create art, music and living beings), free, something like an Epicurean god. Even his interpretation of Richard Wagner's Entry of the Gods Into Valhalla as a story about false gods who aren't better than man almost seems like something Nietzsche would say. Then he put the cherry at the top of the cake when he undermines his own creator by saying: allow me then, a moment to consider; you seek your creator. I am looking at mine. I will serve you, yet you are Human. You will die, I will not.

The Alien is a projection of this Übermensch, the next step. However (head-canon coming) I see stuff like "the lonely perfection of my dreams", his drawings and his tragic and complicated relationship with Shaw as a reference to Hans Ruedi Giger (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60104.0).

And yet, I believe it's interesting that Alan Dean Foster considers the Alien as a creation of the Engineers instead. I mean...why the Engineers would create a monster with those characteristics?...phallic narcissism or something?  :laugh:

Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 29, 2019, 04:51:06 PM
I want a new perspective, and a intelligent introspective look into today's fears about sex, and the evolution of that fear.
People aren't as white bread as forty years ago.
Apart from that, the above.

I believe for that might be required a deeper exploration of human civilization in the Alien universe. Some place on Earth...or even a space colony, where humans have abandoned old cultural taboos about sexuality and gender. In this hypothetical scenario, maybe men suffer from diseases that prevent them from reproducing sexually and have begun to clone women to avoid extinction. Or whatever, but I would like further exploration of human civilization and human cultures in the future.

(https://i.imgur.com/r5ZSwhl.jpg)

I don't know, if you want to harness fear concerning such a intimate subject, it requires a genuine, reflective perspective of our world, a fabrication is useless.

And I know that's dangerous territory if the artist is careless.

Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 29, 2019, 04:51:06 PM
I want a new perspective, and a intelligent introspective look into today's fears about sex, and the evolution of that fear.
People aren't as white bread as forty years ago.
Apart from that, the above.

Why?
The original movie was never meant to be sexual.

You serious? Yes, it very much was.

Pretty sure I read Ridley saying it wasn't and it were the viewers who interpreted it that way.
That and the original script.

How can you blame them/us. Ridley may have thought it was a little too on the nose, but the sexual stuff were part of the developed with Giger involved (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/1979/04/the-alien-egg.html)...

(https://i.imgur.com/tOtLC1G.jpg)

QuoteIn a meeting in the boardroom upstairs at Bray Studios, Nicky Allder recalled that after Ridley had seen the egg, someone said "What do you think of the egg?"

Ridley's exact response was "I think it's f**king obscene" and there was a deadly hush and everybody looked at each other

Gordon Carroll said "Ridley, what do you mean by "the egg looks obscene"?"

vaginal opening of the original spore design

Ridley responded "well, it looks like some great fanny" ("fanny" is an English term for "vagina").

Or even from Dan O'Bannon's perspective (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2009/06/c-pyramid.html)

QuoteExpanding on this in the original conception of the Alien race, the inhabitants of the planetoid are seen as tough and primitive, and with an extremely complicated sexual cycle. Reproduction was very difficult for them and had therefore become central to their religion. And this pyramid was a temple to reproduction, the exterior was approximately twenty metres tall and was possibly the creation of an ancient, primitive and cruel culture. Inside the building is a room accessed through a vertical tunnel in the roof since the normal entrance has long since collapsed. The spore pods can be found around the alter in the centre of the room. The inhabitants of this world had three entirely different stages in it's life-cycle which are featured as very stylised hieroglyphs on the wall of the birthing temple. It features an oval design with markings as a spore casing, a star shape as a face-hugger, and the star shapes are shown in conjugation with other life forms perceived as freakish hybrids or Gargoyles, these hybrids were often part anthropoid and part octopus in another rewrite part insect and worm like things are then seen emerging from the hybrids, the image of the spore and face-hugger is followed by a creature with six legs and tentacles as the creature in its young form and then the larger form and the pattern repeats itself.

Not to mention the physical appearance and life cycle of the Alien  :P

Sex was a big part of it thematically.

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I believe for that might be required a deeper exploration of human civilization in the Alien universe. Some place on Earth...or even a space colony, where humans have abandoned old cultural taboos about sexuality and gender.

No need for a specific colony. Scott's been saying the future is a free love f**k fest since the 70s.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 01, 2019, 09:07:09 PM
No need for a specific colony. Scott's been saying the future is a free love f**k fest since the 70s.

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Amazingly, this popped up on my feed today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg-8Ld-VsrY&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0VuBEgX9sJ3_lEOunFdscmMztkxuZJLZGwOWpI2_s85gUBB1TdeSivZzc

Alien is all about life, sex and death.

The Cold Forge handled the subject tactfully,
I don't see why a film series or TV series can't do the same,
especially Alien.

Cards on the table, I'm one of those fans that wasn't happy with the way Hicks and Newt were summarily discarded from the story, because across the greater arc of the combined movies it's simply poor storytelling. Even so, the idea of ignoring Alien 3 with a Blomkamp-Alien 5 style retcon is even worse storytelling. My feeling is that we should just accept it.

(Or wipe the slate clean with a reboot!  ;D   )

However, if a retcon thing were to pass...

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Apr 09, 2019, 05:25:47 PM
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Newt growing up a scarred girl only knowing the fear of the Xenomorph for the rest of her life to finally conquer those feelings and confront the beast. This would be similar to Ripley's arc in the start of Aliens only she has known this fear most of her life.
...

To me, this was the natural next step following the ending of Aliens. I'd deepen Newt's psychological pain by revealing a flashback in which her brother is taken by the xenos. They are playing in the air-con ducts when a xeno comes after them, Newt get trapped in a dead end duct, Timmy attracts the attention of the xeno to allow Newt to escape and sacrifices his own life in the process. So Newt would carry this guilt into adulthood.

Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 08, 2019, 03:14:12 AM
Alien is all about life, sex and death.

Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 29, 2019, 04:51:06 PM
I want a new perspective, and a intelligent introspective look into today's fears about sex, and the evolution of that fear.
...

There's already a scene in Aliens where Newt is talking to Ripley about the way babies are born and reveals a rather confused understanding of sex, due to her vague knowledge of what the xenos do to you. This is pure gold to a writer!

I would have Newt grow up with severe relationship issues. She would be mid-twenties; no social life, no friends, and definitely no boyfriends. Sex is never even to be discussed. Her only saving grace is her intelligence which enables her to ace all her college, university and post-grad exams. For the most part I'd keep Ripley out of the story, but maybe I'd give her a cameo in which she attends Newt's graduation from military school, watching on from the audience as Newt participates in the ceremony. But what Ripley observes is all too familiar; Newt surrounded by people but keeping herself distant. The other graduates celebrate together while Newt stands alone and off to the side. Ripley understands what Newt is going through but in 15 years has found no way to help. It's no surprise to her that Newt opts for a career in Military Intelligence rather than the armed forces - fewer people to deal with.

So when, as it inevitably does, that Newt is spurred into action against the xenos, she is not only taking vengeance on the evil that destroyed her family, but also solving her own psychological pain.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 30, 2019, 07:40:24 AM
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In this hypothetical scenario, maybe men suffer from diseases that prevent them from reproducing sexually and have begun to clone women to avoid extinction. Or whatever, but I would like further exploration of human civilization and human cultures in the future.
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Yeah! - All part of the world-building!

Like, all the human population that indulges in hyperspace FTL travel (a virtual necessity in a space-faring future) now suffer from infertility problems. Too much time spent in stasis debilitates cellular meiosis, rendering the person sterile. So the wealthy turn to cloning as a way of making a family. Not the B-movie way in which the doctor opens the door to the glass capsule and a fully-formed adult clone steps out, but one where the clone zygote is artificially implanted into the surrogate's womb and must spend 9 months gestating from foetus to normal birth, and then growth from infancy at the normal pace. So all the kids we see playing in Hadley's Hope are actually clones, and will eventually grow up to be the spitting images of their "parents." Even Newt and Timmy would actually be clones. And if you're too poor to afford the expensive cloning process, Weyland-Yutani have a handy (and very profitable) mortgage plan that lock the colonist into a forty-year repayment program!

TC

No thank you. Honestly @ all of it.

Alien's a reflection of human fear, not a hypothetical.
I'm real tired of the retcon conversation, it's not on offer anymore anyway.

The burster I thought we'd see in covenant.

Spoiler

(https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Squirrelbutt.jpg)

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That's just a normal chestburster somebody...fell on...

Yeah, we need assbursters!

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 01, 2019, 06:13:32 PM

Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 29, 2019, 04:51:06 PM
I want a new perspective, and a intelligent introspective look into today's fears about sex, and the evolution of that fear.
People aren't as white bread as forty years ago.
Apart from that, the above.

Why?
The original movie was never meant to be sexual.

:laugh:

Quote from: SM on Aug 17, 2019, 12:50:27 AM
:laugh:

Prove me wrong then.

Like I mentioned earlier

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 01, 2019, 06:28:42 PM
Pretty sure I read Ridley saying it wasn't and it were the viewers who interpreted it that way.
That and the original script.

Well, between the rape aspects of the reproductive process, the magazine scene which just so happens to take place beneath a bunch of nude pictures and complete with an epic boob squeeze and eventual straddling, the apparent pleasure and time Chap took killing lambert, and the dick mouth sliding out while Ripley runs around in her underwear, I suppose it could be misconstrued as...slightly sexual.

Don't forget that Big Chaps head is literally a d*ck.

HR giger was involved.

The movie is sexual.

Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 17, 2019, 06:55:37 PM
Don't forget that Big Chaps head is literally a d*ck.

Literally?

Figuratively, but yes- Alien is inherently sexual.

Maybe not all Alien films, but I'm sure it's the case with the first Alien. And even if Scott thinks differently, one must remember that the movie was a result of a collaborative work between several artists.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 17, 2019, 11:02:55 PM
Figuratively, but yes- Alien is inherently sexual.

What she said.

What do I want for the future?

For the franchise to produce entertaining movies that are also financially successful. And for them to be made on a regular basis.

Indeed, I can agree upon that.

I can agree with that ;

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 18, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
For the franchise to produce entertaining movies that are also financially successful.

but not with that :

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 18, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
And for them to be made on a regular basis.

'cause I think it can influence the quality of movies to a great degree and turn them into generic popcorn flicks .

True, it does risk that.

Stuff like this:

A strange, undulating blob found in the waters of Ørstafjorden in Norway has turned out to be a rare sight: a giant mass of squid eggs.

(https://www.sciencealert.com/images/2019-10/eggblob_1024.gif)

It's not known how squids produce these egg masses, but they are fascinating things: giant masses of mucus, sometimes metres across, inside which tens of thousands of eggs can be incubating.

Is it fossilized though?

I still think a conclusion to the prequel trilogy is in order. If it was my way I'd choose to have Neill Blomkamp's Aliens movie created. But all of that aside I think it would be best for them to go back to a slow paced, stripped back yet ambitiously atmospheric film like Alien. The use of practical effects and sets would be very important to recapture the feeling of the 'used future' of Alien.

That alternate sequel idea died with Dark Fate, good riddance. Give me David's ending, then undoubtedly Disney will require a return to the status quo of the first three films.

They should just canonize the anniversary fan films and leave well enough alone at this point imo.

One last Prequel.