According to imdb, Tom Woodruff Jr. (and probably his team) joins the makeup department crew.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0940430/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr9
Mweh... their AVP Predators were absolutely terrible
Better than KNB's predators, though.
I'm ok with this, Wolf was and still is an awesome Predator. I just think the Faces never looked as real as the Winston ones.
Even Wolf is overrated, it's ok to have a scarred up Predator but the face still looked amateurish. The rest of the suit was good, but I don't like that knight-ish look... The Predator shouldn't have symmetric knight armour (that's what I like about P1 and 2 and even Predators) but compared to AVP it's a lot better.
I'm fine with this. Shane Black is the ship's captain and the budget is big. They'll have more money and time allocated to them to deliver a quality look.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 02, 2016, 07:00:33 PM
I'm ok with this, Wolf was and still is an awesome Predator. I just think the Faces never looked as real as the Winston ones.
Agreed. Wolf was great and easily one of the better Predator designs. Only issue I really had was with that I didn't think the faces and skin tones were quite right in the AvPs. Needed more moisture in my opinion. The slimmed down figure of Wolf worked great as well.
I'm happy to see ADI return. Especially if it's not on a quick turnaround film and Black gives them great design mandates. At the end of the day ADI did what the directors wanted. People complain about the bulky suits in AvP but that was what Anderson wanted.
And Scar's face, the plastic-looking wristblades and rubber dreadlocks were Anderson's choices too?
Never been an ADI fan and this whole 'director's vision' excuse shouldn't make up for the fact that their work on the alien franchise in particular has been poor overall.
I also wouldn't take IMDB as gospel either. I'd wait for a more official source.
I'm OK. with this. They must work more with their predator faces though. Both ADI and KNB botched closed predator mouth.
I actually thought Scar's face was pretty good for what they were trying to do. Some decent animatronic work.
The elder from AVP looked great.
Wolf's face was barely visible in those few shots.
If you pretend to make an "event" movie you better hire Stan Winston Studio. ::)
ADI can do the job if the director tells them he wants the original design back.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Aug 03, 2016, 01:33:52 AM
If you pretend to make an "event" movie you better hire Stan Winston Studio. ::)
ADI can do the job if the director tells them he wants the original design back.
Not meant to insult your opinion but i'm sick of hearing this. For one, Stan Winston Studio does not exist anymore and a hell of a lot people who worked on the original movies worked on the AvP's with ADI... why? Because most of them are freelancers by now and are being hired when the right job comes along, the company doesn't matter. Even some of the guys worked on Predators with KNB, like Shannon Shea, even Steve Wang who was one of the key figures in designing the original Predator worked on the PredAlien for AvP-R, which is also loved by the fans ::)
AvP's Predators werent perfect, by no means, but ADI still is one of the top players and they have the experience to get it right... or at least what Shane wants for his movie, they also worked with Ian Whyte before and are listening to the fans with social media, so they are well aware of the general opinion of the fans and what we consider a cool looking Predator.
Don't care who does the Predator suit, I just want to see a good looking Predator.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 02, 2016, 09:48:52 PM
And Scar's face, the plastic-looking wristblades and rubber dreadlocks were Anderson's choices too?
Never been an ADI fan and this whole 'director's vision' excuse shouldn't make up for the fact that their work on the alien franchise in particular has been poor overall.
If Anderson didn't like the way they looked on screen, he'd have asked them to be reworked. Same as the designs we don't like from Alien. The Resurrection Aliens look like that because of story and the way JPJ wanted them made. That Newborn is a f**king terrible design but that's what JPJ wanted. It was an incredible feat of practical creature effects that shows.
The Alien 3 Alien looks wonderful. There's nothing wrong with that design at all.
I prefer Giger's Alien and Winston's Alien from an aesthetic point of view. I dislike the rubbery faces of the Predators in the AvPs but as I remember it (Omega will know better) they weren't supposed to look wet because only the bad monsters are glimmery and slimey. And TPTB that were the driving force behind Requiem aren't exactly a shining beacon of talent in Hollywood.
I'm confident that with Black's direction they'll get something more akin to the classical Predators if that's what he wants. Though I do think he wont get hung up over the minutiae of the designs. Doesn't really seem to be where his interest lies.
QuoteI also wouldn't take IMDB as gospel either. I'd wait for a more official source.
You should be hearing something soon. ;)
Have to agree, and I guess ADI will do a good job here.
BTW, for a main reason the AVP Preds looked rubberish or fake, was the absence of slime/sweat (as to be seen allot of it on the face of the original one).
Not only wanted they to avoid a similarity to the Xenos (slime all over), but as well as it plays in a freaking cold environment, the lack of sweat or glossiness of the skin was chosen.
And it might even happen again, that a grant master of the genre and on of the sculpting fathers of the original Predator returns: Steve Wang. He is always connected to ADI projects, so let´s hope for that as well.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2016, 07:36:05 AM
they weren't supposed to look wet because only the bad monsters are glimmery and slimey
Yes; they only kept the KY jelly appliances on the Aliens because they didn't want both monsters sliming around. Director's choice.
Not going to comment on the poorly thought hate comments - any special effects company does what the director wants. What ends up onscreen is the director's decision. ADI is no different. There's no reason to think they will do a bad work (if the news is accurate, anyway).
Also it seems that many people don't know Stan Winston Studio doesn't exist anymore. Its key members have founded Legacy Effects Studio some years after Stan's death.
Alright, aside from the obvious things, i think ADI is now confirmed, creature designer of The Predator, Ben Mauro, posted this on facebook:
Quote
Was really cool to go check out ADI and Alliance Studios earlier this week, thanks Steve and Alec for showing me around your studios.......so much film/creature history and fun stories!
http://alliancestudio.net/biography.html
Alliancestudio is owned by Steve Wang, one of the original Predator designers and it's now save to say they are involved.
Good catch! That one hadn't shown up on my feed yet.
Im not entirely sure about AD doing the creature effects, but I'm sure Black will try to make it look good lol
Hopefully the studio won't replace most of their work with bad CGI (like what happened in The Thing).
Quote from: Keith on Aug 03, 2016, 11:36:01 AM
Hopefully the studio won't replace most of their work with bad CGI (like what happened in The Thing).
Different franchise, different studio.
It´s not the creature studios decision to replace practical stuff with shaggy CGI. It´s the Producers who make ASSHAT decisions like that, and like in The Thing prequel. ADI was very, very sad about that their awesome animatronics got kicked out for the CG garbage.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 03, 2016, 06:10:20 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Aug 03, 2016, 01:33:52 AM
If you pretend to make an "event" movie you better hire Stan Winston Studio. ::)
ADI can do the job if the director tells them he wants the original design back.
Not meant to insult your opinion but i'm sick of hearing this. For one, Stan Winston Studio does not exist anymore and a hell of a lot people who worked on the original movies worked on the AvP's with ADI... why? Because most of them are freelancers by now and are being hired when the right job comes along, the company doesn't matter. Even some of the guys worked on Predators with KNB, like Shannon Shea, even Steve Wang who was one of the key figures in designing the original Predator worked on the PredAlien for AvP-R, which is also loved by the fans ::)
AvP's Predators werent perfect, by no means, but ADI still is one of the top players and they have the experience to get it right... or at least what Shane wants for his movie, they also worked with Ian Whyte before and are listening to the fans with social media, so they are well aware of the general opinion of the fans and what we consider a cool looking Predator.
Winston Studio became Legacy.And I repeat : ADI can do the job if the director tells them he wants the original design back.
Nothing to be sick about Johnny.
He's sick of people saying we need Stan Winston/Legacy.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Aug 03, 2016, 09:56:18 PM
Winston Studio became Legacy.And I repeat : ADI can do the job if the director tells them he wants the original design back.
They already did that in Predators (brought back the original design). And it didn't look as good.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2016, 07:36:05 AM
If Anderson didn't like the way they looked on screen, he'd have asked them to be reworked.
I thought that was a budget issue, just reusing the Alien Resurrection moulds except changing the head and colour scheme. Just like how all the predators in that movie were cast from the same moulds.
Not complaining though as AVP delivered a lot with its budget.
Considering this film has a bigger budget I have a bit more faith the Predator in this will look good.
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 04, 2016, 03:08:35 AM
They already did that in Predators (brought back the original design). And it didn't look as good.
That was a different company (KNB, not ADI).
QuoteQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2016, 07:36:05 AM
If Anderson didn't like the way they looked on screen, he'd have asked them to be reworked.
I thought that was a budget issue, just reusing the Alien Resurrection moulds except changing the head and colour scheme.
He was talking about the Predators, which were done from scratch and which Anderson could've had slimed up if he wanted.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 03, 2016, 10:15:26 PM
He's sick of people saying we need Stan Winston/Legacy.
He's a big guy ,he'll get over it :)
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 04, 2016, 03:08:35 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Aug 03, 2016, 09:56:18 PM
Winston Studio became Legacy.And I repeat : ADI can do the job if the director tells them he wants the original design back.
They already did that in Predators (brought back the original design). And it didn't look as good.
Yes, Nicotero screwed badly, the so called "classic" pred ,it couldn't close its mandibles.
Still cool to have Wang, it gives a little glimpse of hope.
The classic Predator looked decent in Predators. They just missed the right lighting and moisturizing. If you look at Kevin Peter Hall in the costume behind scenes, it doesn't look as good as in the movie. Lighting and moisture are the key. Hopefully with the biggest budget for a Predator movie so far, they use some of it to make the most believable realistic creature design so far.
The 'original' predator in Predators had those fang flaps that didn't stretch so...they just folded when his fangs were in normal position, that really bugged me... I also didn't like how they tried to make him look exactly like the first one. Hope they go with more Original designs like they did with P1 2 and the super predators.
Just watched Predators again lasts night. I still hate the fact the original predator creature couldn't close it's mouth at all, 30 years later and they can't duplicate the original facial movements! They also didn't have a decent predator roar at all in the whole film. The OG predator only grunted a little, not a big lion type roar that was needed. And I wish just for once they would fix a pet peeve of mine: MAKE THE DAMN DECLOAKED PREDATOR MOVE LIKE HE DOES WHEN CLOAKED!! I mean, when predator is cloaked he runs through the tops of trees and off the tops of buildings, but the moment he decloaks, he moves like a drunk man in a rubber suit with heavy feet.
Quote from: walker31 on Aug 04, 2016, 03:22:34 PM
Just watched Predators again lasts night. I still hate the fact the original predator creature couldn't close it's mouth at all, 30 years later and they can't duplicate the original facial movements! They also didn't have a decent predator roar at all in the whole film. The OG predator only grunted a little, not a big lion type roar that was needed. And I wish just for once they would fix a pet peeve of mine: MAKE THE DAMN DECLOAKED PREDATOR MOVE LIKE HE DOES WHEN CLOAKED!! I mean, when predator is cloaked he runs through the tops of trees and off the tops of buildings, but the moment he decloaks, he moves like a drunk man in a rubber suit with heavy feet.
My biggest pet peeve from the post-Predator 2 films is the sound of his mounted gun -- it sounds like a whipcrack in the originals, which was a great sound. In the new ones it's all been some generic explosive shot. I'd hoped Predators would go back to that, but it didn't... I'm probably the only person with this particular problem :laugh:
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 04, 2016, 05:28:33 PM
My biggest pet peeve from the post-Predator 2 films is the sound of his mounted gun -- it sounds like a whipcrack in the originals, which was a great sound. In the new ones it's all been some generic explosive shot. I'd hoped Predators would go back to that, but it didn't... I'm probably the only person with this particular problem :laugh:
No, you're definitely not. There's one instance in AVPR during the sewer fight where it is vaguely recognisable but other than that you're absolutely right. I seem to recall the Strause Brothers wanted to use all the P1 sound effects for the creature but couldn't isolate the individual sounds. But that would seem strange given AVP2 PC managed just fine.
For me the sounds the Predator makes, the vision modes - it's just as much a key part of the character as the literal look and design of the creature. I still can't fathom why Anderson in particular changed it all so much.
But no, I'm still not a fan of ADI. 'Director's vision' can only get them away with so much. There's no way a 2004 update of a 1987 creature should look like that. Or have noticeably plastic-looking wrist blades. AVPR was a much improved effort granted and they at least acknowledged that in their book.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 04, 2016, 05:28:33 PM
My biggest pet peeve from the post-Predator 2 films is the sound of his mounted gun -- it sounds like a whipcrack in the originals, which was a great sound. In the new ones it's all been some generic explosive shot. I'd hoped Predators would go back to that, but it didn't... I'm probably the only person with this particular problem :laugh:
I noticed that too.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 04, 2016, 05:28:33 PM
Quote from: walker31 on Aug 04, 2016, 03:22:34 PM
Just watched Predators again lasts night. I still hate the fact the original predator creature couldn't close it's mouth at all, 30 years later and they can't duplicate the original facial movements! They also didn't have a decent predator roar at all in the whole film. The OG predator only grunted a little, not a big lion type roar that was needed. And I wish just for once they would fix a pet peeve of mine: MAKE THE DAMN DECLOAKED PREDATOR MOVE LIKE HE DOES WHEN CLOAKED!! I mean, when predator is cloaked he runs through the tops of trees and off the tops of buildings, but the moment he decloaks, he moves like a drunk man in a rubber suit with heavy feet.
My biggest pet peeve from the post-Predator 2 films is the sound of his mounted gun -- it sounds like a whipcrack in the originals, which was a great sound. In the new ones it's all been some generic explosive shot. I'd hoped Predators would go back to that, but it didn't... I'm probably the only person with this particular problem :laugh:
You're not alone.
The original has the best sounds. Even the predator clicks, which sound more like a bird than a human trying to gargle.
Absolutely agree! The Predator sounds need to be restored from P1 and P2. The sounds they make in Predators seem to belong to some other animal completely. Instead of a confident, challenging roar, it sounded like the Predator was the asthmatic kid on the playground.
We need the Predator roar, the triple heartbeat in vision mode and the whip crack plasma caster.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 04, 2016, 05:28:33 PM
Quote from: walker31 on Aug 04, 2016, 03:22:34 PM
Just watched Predators again lasts night. I still hate the fact the original predator creature couldn't close it's mouth at all, 30 years later and they can't duplicate the original facial movements! They also didn't have a decent predator roar at all in the whole film. The OG predator only grunted a little, not a big lion type roar that was needed. And I wish just for once they would fix a pet peeve of mine: MAKE THE DAMN DECLOAKED PREDATOR MOVE LIKE HE DOES WHEN CLOAKED!! I mean, when predator is cloaked he runs through the tops of trees and off the tops of buildings, but the moment he decloaks, he moves like a drunk man in a rubber suit with heavy feet.
My biggest pet peeve from the post-Predator 2 films is the sound of his mounted gun -- it sounds like a whipcrack in the originals, which was a great sound. In the new ones it's all been some generic explosive shot. I'd hoped Predators would go back to that, but it didn't... I'm probably the only person with this particular problem :laugh:
Not alone sir. I yearn for a return to the original sounds and noises. That's one of the reasons I like AvP. Despite the flaws, it retains quite a few iconic roars, clicks, tech sounds and screeches. These creatures are very similar to earlier incarnations, including the weaponry they use. No need to create sounds from scratch. Maybe a little tweak if it's something new, such as a larger plasma caster or something but
we're so used to the sounds from watching the movies and playing the games for years. Stop changing everything!
Surprised this isnt frontpaged by now... Alec Gillis confirmed this seconds ago on Twitter by the way, its official.
Yeah he replied and confirmed to me on Twitter when I just asked. I'm pleased for those guys :)
Sorry, we were delayed in posting this because we spoke to Woodruff about this and were debating on what to include in the news. With Gillis confirming it publically though, I'm going to get it online.
Is this good news?
They are probably the best choice considering Stan Winston is no longer with us.
I, for one, don't think the predators in AVP are that bad. And most people can agree that Wolf is awesome.
I wouldn't want them returning to do the aliens, though.
Great news. Now just get Ian Whyte to play the Predator.
We need a new look for the predator. One that is tall and more alien like. None of this, it's got a man's body crap. The face has been trademarked forever, now we need someone tall like Bolaji Badejo who played the alien.
Great to hear ADI's got the gig, hope it doesn't turn out goofy/ fake rubbery like Scar's unmasked look.
http://oi43.tinypic.com/mugwvm.jpg
Though Wolf in AVP R was an improvement.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c7/bc/c9/c7bcc9865772e65cd97e01aaf4a5e935.jpg
Though there were some digital enhancements applied.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/20071128_01.jpg
Quote from: acrediblesource on Aug 08, 2016, 11:02:33 PM
We need a new look for the predator. One that is tall and more alien like. None of this, it's got a man's body crap. The face has been trademarked forever, now we need someone tall like Bolaji Badejo who played the alien.
They've had a 7' tall person in every movie but
Predators.
They were amazing back in the day, but the creature effects of Alien: Resurrection (Minus the Egg), and the first AVP movie honestly felt very underwhelming. Dont get me wrong I like the guys a lot, and you can tell Woodruff Jr really cares about the franchises.
I hope to see better creature effects from them in The Predator. Your effects in Alien 3 were extremely well done.
As much as I've complained about some of their work in the past, I'm still glad thry get to do it. I'm happy for them I guess, even though I still think their personal vision for the alien design is very flawed. They are great guys though so good for them, I hope they bring their A game, they certainly have the budget this time.
Quote from: Richman678 on Aug 09, 2016, 01:07:13 AM
They were amazing back in the day, but the creature effects of Alien: Resurrection (Minus the Egg), and the first AVP movie honestly felt very underwhelming. Dont get me wrong I like the guys a lot, and you can tell Woodruff Jr really cares about the franchises.
I hope to see better creature effects from them in The Predator. Your effects in Alien 3 were extremely well done.
Broken record mode, activate! I still think they get way too much stick for the stuff we didn't like from Resurrection and the AvPs. There's so much going off that effects them. They follow director mandates with their design explorations (and Resurrection had story reasons for the Aliens to be bastardised). All that slime was down to the the DoP. In AvP, it was cost related for the reuse of the Resurrection moulds (not their fault). I wasn't a fan of the teeth of their Alien head in Requiem (damn overbite!!) but again, they had only the money to redo the heads.
The Predators in AvP looks fake because of the lack of moisture - again the director. Granted, that silicon (?) doesn't look the greatest so hopefully they explore other materials for The Predator.
To be perfectly honest though, I would have been happy with Legacy, ADI or KNB. Hopefully ADI will be able to work well with Black and get a cracking new design. I'm sure he wont have the mentality that the Predators can't look wet. ::) Just need to get Ian Whyte on board now. Apparently he said he was at a convention but when I spoke to him about it he said it wasn't true so who knows!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2016, 08:54:42 AM
Quote from: Richman678 on Aug 09, 2016, 01:07:13 AM
They were amazing back in the day, but the creature effects of Alien: Resurrection (Minus the Egg), and the first AVP movie honestly felt very underwhelming. Dont get me wrong I like the guys a lot, and you can tell Woodruff Jr really cares about the franchises.
I hope to see better creature effects from them in The Predator. Your effects in Alien 3 were extremely well done.
Broken record mode, activate! I still think they get way too much stick for the stuff we didn't like from Resurrection and the AvPs. There's so much going off that effects them. They follow director mandates with their design explorations (and Resurrection had story reasons for the Aliens to be bastardised). All that slime was down to the the DoP. In AvP, it was cost related for the reuse of the Resurrection (not really their fault). I wasn't a fan of the teeth of their Alien head in Requiem (damn overbite!!) but again, they had only the money to redo the heads.
The Predators in AvP looks fake because of the lack of moisture - again the director. Granted, that silicon (?) doesn't look the greatest so hopefully they explore other materials for The Predator.
To be perfectly honest though, I would have been happy with Legacy, ADI or KNB. Hopefully ADI will be able to work well with Black and get a cracking new design. I'm sure he wont have the mentality that the Predators can look wet. ::) Just need to get Ian Whyte on board now. Apparently he said he was at a convention but when I spoke to him about it he said it wasn't true so who knows!
I'm so happy more people are realizing this. For all we know ADI came up with some bad-ass Predators for the AvP movies, but the directors shot those down. People seem to forget that little detail some times, that the director ultimatly decides what to go with. Well, him/her and the studios. Don't forget about them.
bad news, another stupid looking designs coming
Yeah with no eyebrow/eye expressions... four upper teeth (although that looked fine in Stan Winstons drawings) I have zero faith in them...
Scar arguably had too much brow expression.
Hopefully the big budget makes all the difference between AvP Predators and a good looking one.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
Scar arguably had too much brow expression.
He just looked surprised all the time... I don't know... it just looked wrong
I perfectly understand the criticism they get, I've heard Woodruff and Gillis talk about how making the alien more organic(starting with A3) was improvment on Gigers design. They really seem to resent the mechanical aspects of the creature for some reason. As for their AvP Predators, Scar's face was just terrible on screen so I hope they can fix that.
I think it goes both ways, some people blame them too much for their rubbery creations, and others give them a free pass on everything, like it was all the directors fault.
Well, my interest in this has waned significantly.
If we were basing this on AvP, I'd be horrified at this news but ADI definitely stepped up their game with Requiem, I thought. A lot of what went wrong with AvP was down to Paul Anderson wanting to humanise the Predators and he was the one calling the shots. They are capable if you give them the proper direction and money - the problem is they're usually given the job because they're seen as the cheap n' easy option.
The convenient thing was that Wolf's face had to look like crap, but gotta say his overal design was much better than AVP
There's some wonderful shots of the Predators in AvP, especially when it's Whyte in the suit being focused on. The image of Scar I used in the news post, when the gang decloaks after Quinn takes a tumble and it focuses on Celtic in the lead. They didn't always look massively bulky.
I'm really glad Tom Woodruff Jr. (I assume Alec Gillis too), ADI come back for a Predator movie. Like many others I was disappointed in AVP 04 and AVPR 07, however I personally liked the practical effects of those movies with the Predators and the Aliens(except the Predalien). The effects they did in Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection where good too.
I was really hoping someone would hire WETA for covenant or even The Predator. I guess there's always hope for WETA when Blomkamp finally gets around to Alien 5.
Quote from: Richman678 on Aug 10, 2016, 02:40:41 AM
I was really hoping someone would hire WETA for covenant or even The Predator. I guess there's always hope for WETA when Blomkamp finally gets around to Alien 5.
I imagine we'll get WETA with Alien 3.2. WETA and Blomkamp go hand-in-hand these days. There's also Image Engine who work with him a lot. Really can't wait to see what they come up with!
I don't care for ADI since they screwed up the designs of both the Aliens and the Predator for both the AVP movies.
From their perspective, it's got to be a bit frustrating to get blamed for design calls made by the director and/or studio. In that respect it's interesting to compare AVP and AVPR. Same Predator creators, different directors, totally different Predators. Whatever you think of AVPR, most people agree that Wolf was overall a vast improvement over Scar and co. Much more gracile, and most importantly the suit was way more conducive to Ian Whyte's performance. Even though it had to be done in the dark. And AVP had some good design elements- great bio-masks for example.
Still they messed up the face... I know it was supposed to look f-ed up but it still looked lame.
People need to realise a lot of the faults with ADI's previous Alien/Predator work is probably largely down to the fact they were given very little money to do it.
Yeah I guess I have to admit Wolf's mug is my least favourite of all of them... He was good with his helmet on though. Shame he got relegated to janitor and teenager slasher roles...
I wouldn't have been averse to KNB having another shot at the franchise as I thought they did fantastic work with Predators, especially on such a short schedule. But ADI certainly makes sense. I always enjoy seeing Tom Woodruff and Alec Gillis on various "making of's" on DVDs and Blu-rays (and online) talking about the creatures and suits from various different series, so it's cool that that'll hopefully be the case again whenever The Predator Blu-ray eventually makes it out (I quite liked their commentary track on AVPR, so another one of those wouldn't go amiss).
So yes, despite some questionable design decisions in the past (which, as has been pointed out, can't necessarily always be leveled at them), they have also done some great work too, so I think they're a good choice. I just hope the faces of the Predator or Predators in this one are more Wolf than Scar. ;p
And while I'm sure lots of us would love to see or have seen Legacy get the gig, I feel like they're just priced out of the running at this point (same reason I imagine Stan Winston Studios was never involved with either franchise past Aliens and Predator 2). So ADI is really the next logical choice.
Color me disappointed. They've yet to impress me with their Predator work, even though they improved on AvP2.
Sure, you can say that the problems were due to other people's decisions, but seeing as how AvP1 and AvP2 had different people calling the shots and ADI still underwhelmed, I don't think that it's unreasonable to blame them.
This movie has an a-list director in Shane Black, and that's so exciting. I think he's almost more of a guaranteed quality seal of approval than Sir Ridley is (well, in the here and now, I love you Ridley)
But ADI. Man. Great guys, love hearing them speak on the documentaries. But if they were evaluated on their Alien and Predator work alone, theyre outright terrible. Fabulous animatronics and puppeteers. But Alien 3 ASIDE, directorial creative decisions ASIDE, there work has been deminishing returns. I thought KNB did OK on Predators. But the Aliens in Resurrection, AvP and AvPR looked fake as shit; chunky slimey fat fingered suits
Would LOVE it if they knocked the ball out of the park on this one though. I'm rooting for them, but I'm highly suspect
ADI hasn't exactly blown my skirt up either, but one thing to keep in mind, is that they're focusing on one creature (more or less, there may be more than one predator), rather than splitting their time and budget between a Predator, a bunch of Xenos and a Predalien. Hopefully that focus will allow them to really get it right.
ALEC GILLIS ADI CREATURE FX INTERVIEW
https://www.orbitaljigsaw.com/podcasts/supernerdsuk/79-alec-gillis-adi-creature-fx-interview/
QuoteOn this episode we have an extensive interview with Alec Gillis, a true legend in the field of practical effects. Alec and his studio ADI are responsible for creatures from Tremors, to Pennywise all the way to the forthcoming The Predator!
Quote from: Darkoo on Apr 20, 2018, 08:35:51 AM
ALEC GILLIS ADI CREATURE FX INTERVIEW
https://www.orbitaljigsaw.com/podcasts/supernerdsuk/79-alec-gillis-adi-creature-fx-interview/
QuoteOn this episode we have an extensive interview with Alec Gillis, a true legend in the field of practical effects. Alec and his studio ADI are responsible for creatures from Tremors, to Pennywise all the way to the forthcoming The Predator!
2 hours... anything Predator? ;D
It starts at 1h10 but it's absolutely nothing lol, except that they were shooting for promotional stuff recently and that it was a blast to work on this movie
Well, ADI means we'll get a decent art and making of book, since they seem to be smart that way.
Other than that: I've seen stellar work from ADI and really cheap looking stuff, it all boils down to execution in that department. I did wish for less generic looking Predators, a touch of original characteristics goes a loooong way (see Lost Predators)
ADI does excellent work and they seem like very cool guys, folks should check out their work on youtube where they show their original work on The Thing, before it was sadly painted over with cgi at the request of the studio heads.
This is a thing to note, ADI are not the bosses, they have to do as the director/studio tells them to and they do not deserve the hate/disapproval they get from some of the fans, as even the designs that are "horrible" either due to budget reasons or personal preference, is still something that most of us couldn't make, its still art and if it wasn't for our expectations, would be considered fairly good.
That I know, I don't blame ADI for what happened to Scar's face, as Anderson requested a more regal and human looking, or as he himself said "more heroic" in order to sympathise with the character. So it's him I should be mad about.
But still, generic looks is not what made the first two films great.
QuoteWhat was most important to you in this new version of the Predator?
Tom Woodruff: Movement is important to us, even expressions. A key moment was the test of the suit with Alec, and with Yuri, which makes excellent eye movements, very natural movements. It's the same thing that happens with a band: if everyone plays his instrument, if everyone makes only his, only noise is created, but if you play together you make music. It's a bit the same for us who have worked so long together and when we rehearse the director just ask "Give me the expression of surprise", does not need to go into the technical detail saying: "Raise the eyebrow, you do this etc. ". The emotion of this creature is very important for us, it is the most important thing.
How many head samples do you have?
Alec Gillis: There is a single mask that has about 25, 26 engines that move inside the head, especially around the eyes, all built in a very small area. These engines, as Tom said, are used to manage emotions.
Just some interesting bits from an Italian (I think) interview: https://www.badtaste.it/2018/08/06/excl-the-predator-i-guru-dello-studio-adi-ci-spiegano-come-nata-la-creatura/326633/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 06, 2018, 10:45:51 AM
QuoteWhat was most important to you in this new version of the Predator?
Tom Woodruff: Movement is important to us, even expressions. A key moment was the test of the suit with Alec, and with Yuri, which makes excellent eye movements, very natural movements. It's the same thing that happens with a band: if everyone plays his instrument, if everyone makes only his, only noise is created, but if you play together you make music. It's a bit the same for us who have worked so long together and when we rehearse the director just ask "Give me the expression of surprise", does not need to go into the technical detail saying: "Raise the eyebrow, you do this etc. ". The emotion of this creature is very important for us, it is the most important thing.
How many head samples do you have?
Alec Gillis: There is a single mask that has about 25, 26 engines that move inside the head, especially around the eyes, all built in a very small area. These engines, as Tom said, are used to manage emotions.
Just some interesting bits from an Italian (I think) interview: https://www.badtaste.it/2018/08/06/excl-the-predator-i-guru-dello-studio-adi-ci-spiegano-come-nata-la-creatura/326633/
Nice - I love this. To see them putting so much effort into the mannerisms and facial expressions makes me excited :) Regardless of what ultimately happens with the movie, it'll be great to see what they do to make the Predators more personally accessible.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 06, 2018, 10:45:51 AMAlec Gillis: There is a single mask that has about 25, 26 engines that move inside the head, especially around the eyes, all built in a very small area. These engines, as Tom said, are used to manage emotions.
It looks like this