*Spoilers* Putting out a fire in mid-flight

[Corporal Hicks]

It is certainly a strength of the franchise. Absolutely no denying that. I think Predator is incredibly versatile. This is something I've always said. The tone just didn't work for me with that particular short in it.

[SiL]

Predator invades "X kind of story" has been a fandom talking point for decades.

Had to invade a Spielberg/Lucas story at some point.

The problem is the Predator is supposed to upset the kind of story it's in. When the Predator drops into the original film, the Commando vibe deteriorates.

It's something Dan doesn't seem to get with his takes. He drops in a Predator but the film continues as it had been.

[skhellter]

Predator is supposed to upset

it did. Turned an adventure/coming of age story into an r-rated story of horror in the sky / survival.
Probably not to the extent you wanted to but it did. 

Even if it didn't.

when the first film was made i doubt the Thomas Brothers wanted it to be some sort of bible that every single predator film must uphold at risk of burning at the fires of fandom.
The 2nd film never really gets disrupted all that much because the predator is there very early.. it's very open about it being a creature feature.

Just because the first film did it that doesn't mean you have to copy paste every single beat into everything else.

[SiL]

Predator is supposed to upset

it did. Turned an adventure/coming of age story into a story of horror in the sky / survival.
Probably not to the extent you wanted to but it did. 

It was never horror. It was a pulp adventure through and through. Torres' cartoonish behaviour persisted beyond his story into the fourth act.

[skhellter]

by the time dismembered corpses are literally raining on torres and he's crying over his lost comrades, it may not be cannibal holocaust with planes but it gets "horror" enough.

[SiL]

by the time dismembered corpses are literally raining on torres and he's crying over his lost comrades, it may not be cannibal holocaust with planes but it gets "horror" enough.

By the time people are getting cut up he's jumping on his wing trying to put out an engine fire.

[skhellter]

cool

[SiL]

Glad you came around, it's not easy to admit when you're wrong. We need more people like you.

[Corporal Hicks]

Enough folk.

[SiL]

Sure.

Even ignoring disrupting the genre, Torres' pulp fiction persona sticks out like a sore thumb when he meets the others. By the time

Spoiler

he gets swallowed by an alien and keeps being a smartass,

[close]

we're solidly in The Predator territory.

I was really expecting that beat to be a turn in the story to something more serious but no. Oh, my, no.

[Coolertonic7]

How is one character being a smartass on the same level as The Predator when everybody was a smartass in that movie?

[426Buddy]

Has nothing to do with him being a smartass. Its the silly (sometimes ridiculous) writing thats on par with something like The Predator. Like getting swallowed by the John Carter reference, that literally just chomped a predator. Then surviving inside of it, making jokes from inside of it, and figuring out how the gauntlet works and cutting himself out.

Then he breaks out, steals a predbike, and disables the neck bombs on his comrades, and then they steal the kings spaceship. Forget Indiana Jones, at this point we're hitting actual childrens story levels in simplicitity and fantasy. Thats putting it nicely.

[SiL]

The only reason it's getting a pass is it's a literal cartoon this time.