Started by RidgeTop, Aug 18, 2022, 04:57:52 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Oct 01, 2022, 09:16:22 PMA hour into every movie?
QuoteCompletely different, Nostromo? Kane is abandoned.
QuoteHadley's Hope? Nuked.
QuoteThe Prison? Everyone takes Ripley seriously the first time, thus starting the plan against the Xenomorph before more people die. And of course, Spike's owner would identify the marks on him and something would have been done about it.
QuoteKnowledge makes a f**kton of difference, the Predator is always prepared, that is a downright unfair matchup.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Sep 29, 2022, 07:33:06 PMWhen a Predator dies in AVP, it never looks like it's because the Aliens are dangerous, it's never because a Xenomorph outwits, overwhelms or beats the Predator, but because that specific Predator was stupid,
QuoteBroken Tusk's party being rebellious dumb teens too busy murdering civilians to realize their incoming demise,
QuoteCeltic being an idiot who was beating Grid around the entire fight only to then let himself die because he forgot acid was a thing,
Quotethe crew at the start of Requiem shooting explosive weapons inside a ship.
Quote11/10 AvP media the aliens are treated like trash and the Predators like gods,
QuoteDallas wouldn't abandon Kane. He'd try to freeze him. Ash, the guy who is sabotaging the mission, would back him up. "Sure it'll work."
QuoteThey didn't know if it was the Aliens or not. They had to find out -- when they did, they wanted to nuke it, yes.
QuoteDone what about it, exactly?
QuoteYou really must think the Aliens suck if the only way they have any chance is to completely blindside their prey and hope they kill enough of them before they work it out. I like to give them more credit.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Oct 01, 2022, 10:40:26 PMAlso, it's very obvious them knowning about the Aliens is not my only point, they are downgraded in more ways than that, being made weaker, less durable and stupid.
QuoteAlso, the unknown is also a huge factor in the Predator movies, if every human knew what they were dealing with the movies would have been very different.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2022, 05:07:35 AMPredator 2 or The Predator both featured teams specifically set up to study and track Predators. Both featured them getting slaughtered.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2022, 11:25:32 AMThey had multiple ways of monitoring the Predator and realised quickly that it could see them and their plan was bust.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2022, 07:58:21 PMHarrigan is still someone who was present and ignored.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2022, 07:58:21 PMThey had contingencies for the Predator not falling for the trap. They move into a "defensive formation" that was really dumb.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2022, 07:58:21 PMBut this is, again, really missing the forest for the trees. They knew about the Predator, his habits, etc - he still surprised them. Knowing about the Predator doesn't guarantee you success, anymore than the Predator knowing about humans guarantees them success.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2022, 07:58:21 PMEven if they knew he could switch vision modes, he's a cunning, thinking, intelligent organism, just like a person. Just because you can design a sophisticated trap based on knowing your prey doesn't mean it's guaranteed to work.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2022, 07:58:21 PMWhich goes back to my actual point, which at this point I can only assume people are stubbornly ignoring on purpose:Predators not knowing about the Aliens doesn't fix the actual problems with how their encounters are written.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Oct 02, 2022, 09:23:57 PMYou can argue it doesn't, which won't have an effect on the fact it dismisses a core part of how the Alien stories go and is one of the many factors that make the crossover favor the Predator
Quote from: OpenMaw on Oct 03, 2022, 11:12:40 AMI do agree though, that this is a result of how closely the sequence is copying the scene from Aliens, but it lacks the Gorman character being in charge and incompetent/failing to react.
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 03, 2022, 11:53:11 AMQuote from: OpenMaw on Oct 03, 2022, 11:12:40 AMI do agree though, that this is a result of how closely the sequence is copying the scene from Aliens, but it lacks the Gorman character being in charge and incompetent/failing to react. Well, Garber fills that role while Harrigan is basically Ripley.Speaking of that scene, yes, it does heavily copy hive sequence from Aliens but I think Hopkins did a damn good job copying it. I mean, yes it's quite similair but not in an annoying way, at least for me. It's still a very fun to watch beatifully shot scene so I don't mind reallyAlso, Cameron himself lifted quite a few plot bits from Alien, so, you know, nobody's blameless
Quote from: OpenMaw on Oct 03, 2022, 02:01:33 PMAlso i'm not blaming anyone or anything. The point is that the Predator 2 scene was copied without completely thinking about what it was doing in Aliens, and what it needed to be doing in Predator 2.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 05, 2022, 09:41:19 PMPredator 2 is the very definition of pastiche.
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