Alien Covenant and the perversion of sexuality

Started by Necronomicon II, Mar 21, 2020, 07:19:53 AM

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Immortan Jonesy

David's drawings are like a Hipster porn magazine :laugh:

The Old One

The Old One

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Just beautiful.

Nightmare Asylum

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2020, 05:42:12 PM
Maybe humans are destined to become something else. A biomechanical transhumanism where sexual reproduction, in somewhat bizarre ways, is the key to survive or take over. Carbon-based life forms mutating their life cycles and all that shit. Giger's Übermensch so to speak.


Immortan Jonesy

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2020, 07:10:26 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2020, 05:42:12 PM
Maybe humans are destined to become something else. A biomechanical transhumanism where sexual reproduction, in somewhat bizarre ways, is the key to survive or take over. Carbon-based life forms mutating their life cycles and all that shit. Giger's Übermensch so to speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WVDcxrRJ_M



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When I thought Mother was turning into a scifi vampire...surprise! She is not just the last hope of mankind, but also, she seems to be evolving. Her child is carbon-based after all.
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bb-15

I checked out the article and I have a very different take on sexuality in the Alien franchise.

* I didn't find David's attraction to Walter to be very disturbing considering what I have seen before in Alien movies.
- The horror in "Alien" is fundamentally based on rape. The facehugger makes that clear. And Ash trying to shove a rolled up magazine down Ripley's throat just adds to that.
"Aliens" and "Alien 3" don't have much creepy sexual imagery.
- But "Alien Resurrection" definitely does.
The licking of Ripley by her huge hybrid baby and Ripley falling into the Xeno womb so to speak, in AR is definitely creepy.

- On top of this, artificial intelligent life forms having heterosexual relationships was already established in "Blade Runner". I realize they were genetic clones but still, they were designed.
If heterosexual replicant sex had already been established, I don't think it's very shocking that androids might be interested in homosexual relationships. Why not?

* As for who created the Xenomorph, I have realized for several months that Ridley is not making another Alien movie. Disney doesn't want that.
- This means the David story is over because I don't think Disney is going to continue that.
The Alien franchise is limited to the movies that we have.
So, all the plans that the Fox studio had for several prequels and what Ridley said during the press coverage for "Covenant", no longer applies.
- Instead, the Canon explanations for the origin of the Xenomorphs, made before & during the release of "Prometheus", are the ones which are valid.

* The Space Jockeys/Engineers created the Xenomorphs as weapons. They are related to the Deacon which we saw in "Prometheus".
There is a Xenomorph egg in the wall sculpture from "Prometheus".
- What did David do? He re-created what the Engineers had already done many years before.

;)

Necronomicon II

He got closer to re-creating big-chap due to the advantage of being synthetic, however one note is off, he's missed some things in the recipe/method.

OpenMaw

I found the article kinda "meh" to be honest.

As to Aliens and Alien 3 lacking in the sexual imagery... I mean as J.C. himself said, the sequels by nature of being sequels and retaining the designs will always include that imagery on some level. The aliens exist to rape and destroy all life that they encounter. If it can be used to breed, it will be bred, if it can't, it will be killed, and likely used to construct more hive. (As we see in Aliens, body parts are used in the walls of the hive... Xeno and human alike.)

As to David being the creator or not... I went hard and heavy on my feelings about that many years ago on these forums. I do think Covenant offers enough wiggle room with the fact that David demonstrates that he's malfunctioning on some level. And as someone else pointed out above... The OG egg is in that painting. Meaning that the xenomorph predates the events of Prometheus.

I still hold to the idea that the Engineers are just pretenders, just as David himself is a pretender. The real ancient horror is lurking out there in space.

Also, to be perfectly honest, there is nothing in Covenant that really touches on the sexuality side of the Alien, either. No more than any of the other sequels. A few scant innuendos in the dialogue and the implication that Shaw's barren womb was repurposed for the eggs... Ehh? Which is more-or-less a reuse of an idea we already saw in Prometheus, basically.

I think Requiem had more on the subject of rape visa vi the Alien and being violated than any of the other films since the original.

The only exception might be the extremely bi-polar Newborn who's behavior only began to make sense to me when I realized it was supposed to be a boy. Can't f*ck the queen, so he kills her. Can't do the nasty with Gediman, so it kills him.... Gets curious about Call... Can't do it with Distephano so crushes his head... Then Ripley... Yep. I can totally tap that. That's about it though. That's more overt implications of sexuality... But is it any good? The answer is no, because nothing about Resurrection is any good.

I will say this though. The artwork done for/"by" David is pretty damn good. Captures the spirit of Giger, quite well.

Necronomicon II

Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 26, 2022, 10:44:43 AMI found the article kinda "meh" to be honest.

As to Aliens and Alien 3 lacking in the sexual imagery... I mean as J.C. himself said, the sequels by nature of being sequels and retaining the designs will always include that imagery on some level. The aliens exist to rape and destroy all life that they encounter. If it can be used to breed, it will be bred, if it can't, it will be killed, and likely used to construct more hive. (As we see in Aliens, body parts are used in the walls of the hive... Xeno and human alike.)

As to David being the creator or not... I went hard and heavy on my feelings about that many years ago on these forums. I do think Covenant offers enough wiggle room with the fact that David demonstrates that he's malfunctioning on some level. And as someone else pointed out above... The OG egg is in that painting. Meaning that the xenomorph predates the events of Prometheus.

I still hold to the idea that the Engineers are just pretenders, just as David himself is a pretender. The real ancient horror is lurking out there in space.

Also, to be perfectly honest, there is nothing in Covenant that really touches on the sexuality side of the Alien, either. No more than any of the other sequels. A few scant innuendos in the dialogue and the implication that Shaw's barren womb was repurposed for the eggs... Ehh? Which is more-or-less a reuse of an idea we already saw in Prometheus, basically.

I think Requiem had more on the subject of rape visa vi the Alien and being violated than any of the other films since the original.

The only exception might be the extremely bi-polar Newborn who's behavior only began to make sense to me when I realized it was supposed to be a boy. Can't f*ck the queen, so he kills her. Can't do the nasty with Gediman, so it kills him.... Gets curious about Call... Can't do it with Distephano so crushes his head... Then Ripley... Yep. I can totally tap that. That's about it though. That's more overt implications of sexuality... But is it any good? The answer is no, because nothing about Resurrection is any good.

I will say this though. The artwork done for/"by" David is pretty damn good. Captures the spirit of Giger, quite well.

This is a meatier analysis of the sexual perversion of the franchise, sans the prequels —

https://plotandtheme.com/2016/05/18/the-xenomorph-and-the-perversion-of-sex-in-alien/comment-page-1/#comment-25294


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