Via THR: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fx-fargo-season-5-alien-1235191920/
QuoteAsked if the Weylan-Yutani corporation is the show's focus, Landgraf says, "The Alien cinematic universe is that it's a world where that's sort of dominated by large corporate entities, and Weylan-Yutani has been in an important component of the movies. There are references to that corporation in this show. But it actually takes place in the territory of a different corporation that Noah invented."
The executive went on to compare the series to the first two Alien films, both of which were critical and box office hits with their own uniquely creative approach.
"I'm a big fan of Alien and Aliens and I remember watching both of them in the theater and how how shockingly original and surprising each of them was in its own way," Landgraf says. "And so, similar to his approach to Fargo, Noah decided to not to take Ripley or any character from Alien – except perhaps the xenomorph itself – but go back and figure out what made the franchise so great and so durable in the first place and see if he could find an experience that felt like walking into a theater and seeing one of those first two movies, where you get caught off guard. That's all I can say at this point though."
TL;DR: it takes place somewhere some time and is hopefully good
The bit about this centering around a new corporation lines up with the leaks we've seen and Hawley's own comments from interviews a year or so ago, so not much surprise there.
Maybe they'll take a hint from Prey and go back to basics. From the leaks, not sure if that's the case. But with Hawley's track record, I'm very optimistic. Cautiously optimistic.
He seems to think the basics are transhumanism and class struggles so I'm really, really not optimistic on that front.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2022, 05:50:24 AMclass struggles
But what about
"crew expendable" and the
"bonus situation"? :o
Important thematic elements but not the foundation of the film's success. The foundation was that it was a f**king scary movie about a face-raping chest-erupting monster with production design infinitely better than the concept deserved. The rest is icing on the cake.
What's the cannon situation with this show? Is it in it's own timeline apart from the movies?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2022, 06:02:39 AMImportant thematic elements but not the foundation of the film's success. The foundation was that it was a f**king scary movie about a face-raping chest-erupting monster with production design infinitely better than the concept deserved. The rest is icing on the cake.
And yet Landgraf's making the point that Alien was scary, but each entry after that's put their own spin on the concept for better or worse.
The thematic stuff's what survived from entry to entry and has persisted, not the fact it is horror, or action or thriller, or drama.
And the Alien itself, although I'd argue it's not really been the focus for the last three films at all in the franchise either, not including the AVPs.
So neither scary nor exciting?
Which seems accurate from everything said so far.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 04, 2022, 05:45:22 AMMaybe they'll take a hint from Prey and go back to basics. From the leaks, not sure if that's the case. But with Hawley's track record, I'm very optimistic. Cautiously optimistic.
I don't really expect something "back to basics" from this series. From the Alvarez film, however...
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 04, 2022, 11:19:04 AMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 04, 2022, 05:45:22 AMMaybe they'll take a hint from Prey and go back to basics. From the leaks, not sure if that's the case. But with Hawley's track record, I'm very optimistic. Cautiously optimistic.
I don't really expect something "back to basics" from this series. From the Alvarez film, however...
"We are planning a dark, gritty reboot of Alien, a take like nobody has ever seen before!
I'm more keen on seeing the Alvarez movie also, but I'm still interested in what this show will bring to the table.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2022, 10:51:30 AMSo neither scary nor exciting?
Which seems accurate from everything said so far.
This' more horrific to me than Alien ever was honestly, in a completely different way though, and it is in essence about body horror through transhumanism.
The Alien being the catalyst for that or intervening aspect, could be absolutely fantastic, like Cold Forge or Into Charybdis.
It's what I'd call conceptual horror, (Enigma of Amigara Fault, Legion FX in this example being having your body taken over and your personality changed unwillingly and Under the Skin) instead of adrenaline horror, (Alien and The Thing and Predator and Jaws) my favourites being where you mush the two together though, such as Silent Hill and Dead Space as big examples.
But I have always found the psychology stuff more scary than the monster chasing you part.
As Prey seems to be proving, you don't need to reinvent the wheel to keep the franchise fresh.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2022, 10:51:30 AMSo neither scary nor exciting?
Which seems accurate from everything said so far.
Are we talking about Alien 3 now?
Noah said in a fairly recent interview that hes realized all of his recent work is about the exploitation and abuse of children. This show seems to be following that tradition by having numerous Peter Pan references already, with a character being called Wendy, the first episode "Neverland" and a very young naive CEO running what is essentially a factory for superhumans. Considering he said the show will be about "humanity at its worst" I expect childish naivete to be used for horrible ends and for core tension of the show to come from there. The young CEO of Prodigy is mentioned to have a manipulative old advisor and judging from what we have heard so far, I suspect that old advisor might desire to take over the body of his young master, transferring his conciousness to it. Hawleys villains are always remarkable. Just musing about what the show might be about, considering I know Noahs work inside and out.
How dare you.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2022, 06:08:29 PMAs Prey seems to be proving, you don't need to reinvent the wheel to keep the franchise fresh.
Do you know that as yet?
Not like Aliens changed the genre or anything and then Alien³ changed it again.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 04, 2022, 06:58:29 PMHow dare you.
That's okay, they can be incorrect about that, and are incorrect about this as well in my opinion. Just like so many wrote off Prey immediately. That's what my intuition tells me though anyway.
From what we know that post seems pretty accurate.
Quote from: Gimitko on Aug 04, 2022, 06:27:49 PMNoah said in a fairly recent interview that hes realized all of his recent work is about the exploitation and abuse of children. This show seems to be following that tradition by having numerous Peter Pan references already, with a character being called Wendy, the first episode "Neverland" and a very young naive CEO running what is essentially a factory for superhumans. Considering he said the show will be about "humanity at its worst" I expect childish naivete to be used for horrible ends and for core tension of the show to come from there. The young CEO of Prodigy is mentioned to have a manipulative old advisor and judging from what we have heard so far, I suspect that old advisor might desire to take over the body of his young master, transferring his conciousness to it. Hawleys villains are always remarkable. Just musing about what the show might be about, considering I know Noahs work inside and out.
f**k yes.
This is still an Alien show, right?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2022, 08:47:21 PMThis is still an Alien show, right?
The producer didn't even seem sure if they took the Alien from the movies so I'm not getting my hopes up.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2022, 08:49:57 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2022, 08:47:21 PMThis is still an Alien show, right?
The producer didn't even seem sure if they took the Alien from the movies so I'm not getting my hopes up.
Then why should we watch it?
Because of Noah Hawley. Not because "insert franchise" in fact, granted I gravitated towards Legion because of the relation to the X-Men, but that's ultimately a bonus to a well told story.
What about dance numbers?
That was a turn off lol
I bet Noah can do wonders with an in-universe Alien musical
It's just a meme at this point honestly.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 05, 2022, 02:11:50 AMI bet Noah can do wonders with an in-universe Alien musical
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Let's hope not lol.
Quote from: Gimitko on Aug 04, 2022, 06:27:49 PMNoah said in a fairly recent interview that hes realized all of his recent work is about the exploitation and abuse of children.
It shows.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 11, 2022, 12:19:13 AMQuote from: Gimitko on Aug 04, 2022, 06:27:49 PMNoah said in a fairly recent interview that hes realized all of his recent work is about the exploitation and abuse of children.
It shows.
I've never even seen one of his shows.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2022, 12:37:03 AMI've never even seen one of his shows.
Will that change when Alien: The Musical drops?
I'm thinking the community can work "It's a hard knock life" into our Bret/Parker "The Bonus Situation" sitcom.
:laugh:
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 13, 2022, 12:18:46 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2022, 12:37:03 AMI've never even seen one of his shows.
Will that change when Alien: The Musical drops?
In the unlikely event that an alien actually makes a cameo between all the corporate intrigue and "exploration of what it means to be human" bullshit, I might glance at it.
Maybe that's the path that leads us to understand "the exploration of what it means to be alien". But more likely I am too biased since I liked both; Legion & Fargo. Fargo is my favorite though. Taste stuff, I guess. 👉👈