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Yay ! You're spoiling us this year, Corporal !

I was looking forward this!  8)

Everyone hit the nail on the head with Prometheus, as it's so many things except a proper Alien prequel.  ;D  But I did like @Xenomorphine 's sandbox analogy, and it's kind of been fun to read speculation about what the story was trying to say and where that was going to go.

The similarities between Promeheus and Lovecraft's ATMOM are like the ones between the Engineers' Dome and Giger's Harkonnen Castle. Superficially similar but ultimately different, and as biomechanical aesthetics are lacking in the dome, the Prometheus story lacks cosmic horror. The entities responsible for the origin of life on Earth in Lovecraft's work are not human and they are completely indifferent toward mankind.

But the movie seems like a somewhat pretentious setup for a lot of ideas, ready to be explored in the future...or at very least that's what one might assume...especially after that 'Who made Them' from Shaw. Although I must admit that I didn't necessarily fantasize about the Space Jockeys as the creators of the Engineers, but rather some extradimensional intelligence like the one in the movie Annihilation.


Even the marketing seemed to present some sort of specific philosophical subtext, because Weyland recites Nietche's writings during the TED talk. (https://studioyutani.wordpress.com/2019/03/05/thus-sprach-zarathustra-and-prometheus-ted-2023/).


So yeah, Weyland is a narcissistic asshole, and as such he must feel himself to be the authentic Übermensch (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch) (a philosophical idealism created by Nietzsche), and some fans of the prequels have seen in the Alien itself the David's very own Übermensch, once Covenant was released.

On the other hand, the Engineer's sacrifice at the start certainly feels too ritualistic, but I liked that. The idea of a creator ceasing to exist as an entity to become the creation is like the God of Pandeism (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism). "Sometimes to create, one must first destroy"...also perhaps an analog to the religious archetype of Dying-and-rising deity (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_deity#:~:text=A%20dying-and-rising%2C,goddess%20dies%20and%20is%20resurrected.).


Speaking of which, we also have the religious subtext. I liked that @Omegamorph brought it up, cos I don't know, it's so bizarre. I mean, apart from the fact that they considered that Jesus was an emissary of the Engineers (if not one of them), and the crucifixion of that religious figure as the reason why they wanted to kill us, pale in comparison to the Deacon / Trilobite as an analog of Jesus himself:



Years later, they continued with the religious allegories in Covenant, specifically the birth of Jesus in the painting of The Nativity by Piero della Francesca.


Not to mention that the character played by Michael Fassbender (not Walter) chose to call himself Michelangelo's David, which at the same time is an artistic representation of the biblical David who slew the giant.




I also agree with @Corporal Hicks about the Engineers. They're likeable, it's just not necessarily like the Space Jockeys.


I mean, look at these humanoids and tell me if the Engineers don't fit into the world of Alien. I laughed about turning Chutulhu into Vin Diesel (I think he was Omega :laugh: )... but the biomechanical pressure suits, the lifeless black eyes, the aesthetics of ancient greek art, etc. They are like androids of non-human origin. There is a kind of uncanny valley there for sure. I also like the idea of the Derelict corridors ergonomically designed to be circulated by pilot's assistants.

But back to how the movie was executed, yeah; Shaw and holloway were more like this...

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...the interaction between the characters is somewhat awkward (the "How are your lessons going, David?" among others  :laugh: ), the Prometheus ship is beautiful (agree there @RidgeTop), black goo has grown on me thanks to Alex White, but in general I feel a mixture of love and frustration. Love because it's a sandbox that seemed to offer interesting potential, and frustration because once you read articles or watch the superb making-off by Charles de Lauzirika, one can get an idea of what the movie could have been, and while the lack of Giger stuff might be sad, at the same time one ends up fascinated by the work that other artists did in these prequels. Take for example the flashback in Covenant.  8)



Plus,I like to interpret the idea of the David's Alien as the materialization of psychosexuality, unconscious and dreams as an analog to Giger himself. It is totally subjective of course, and not supported by the movie. Also, I know I'm getting off topic, so I am sorry.  :-X


Finally I want to say that I strongly disagree with Jon Spaihts about removing the Space Jockey abstraction. They definitely went too far with it. I like Engineers, but they didn't necessarily have to be THAT JOCKEY. Oh and I hope no one posts pictures of the elephant man from the comics ever again. Please.

I've enjoyed the podcast guys, good job. I look forward to the next one.  8)

Edit - Fifield is the most consistent character, since as a Geologist he loves rocks, unlike the mass effect-like archaeologist who don't want to contribute to the giant dead body arena. He turned Shaw at that point. :P

...oh and Weyland cannot create replicants, actually he is already an Engineer replicant. :P

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In the scheme of things Alien has it hard for ages, disappointment in Alien 3, the feeling Alien Resurrection was regarded as a franchise killer in which an Alien5 would seem impossible, the reception of Alien vs Predator n especially Requiem and how low the franchise had been, for all its faults Prometheus was a marginally better Alien entry.

So we can blame Roland Emmerich for Ridley reimagining the SJ as a suit lol I remember the movie Stargate pioneered that. Although they were mechanical suits.


I like them. But I like the ID4 biosuit more. It really does seem like a symbiotic life form, and I wish the Engineer suits were more like that.

this was my brain during the podcast

Omega mentioning whole "300 years of darvinism" thing made me remember a problem I always had watching that scene: Milburn says it as if 300 years makes it have more weight. Well, there's that little thing called Christianity, you stupid ass, which tells us that we were all created by the will of God and that shit existed for over 2000 years, you f**k !

The very nature of scientific minds, of intelligence, means reconsidering preconceived notions of fact. The way not only our central character in Prometheus still clings to an invalid truth, but nearly everyone in the film does in spite of new evidence presented... I not only find immensely frustrating, but almost outright immoral in the manner the film acts like this might actually be a good thing, this perverse selective perception.

Alien Covenant does this particular thing so much better it's almost ridiculous, not only do the people who put faith over fact suffer immensely, but that's the entire reason for their perdition in the first place.

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 16, 2022, 03:04:58 PMOmega mentioning whole "300 years of darvinism" thing made me remember a problem I always had watching that scene: Milburn says it as if 300 years makes it have more weight. Well, there's that little thing called Christianity, you stupid ass, which tells us that we were all created by the will of God and that shit existed for over 2000 years, you f**k !

Yeah and when Darwinism started becoming popular people were talking about 1700 years of creationism to give it more weight - what's your point?

Well, I guess, my point is that something being centuries old doesn't necessarily make it true

True, but it does mean you need a good deal of evidence to prove that. Looking at a cave painting ain't it.

Agreed one hundred percent.

C'mon, guys, like Adam said, you're marking the tenth anniversary of this film. Does every review have to be a literal dogpile? If I can make a suggestion, in future, maybe have at least one person on the panel that might have a differing opinion on the subject? There are those of us in the fandom who don't think the movie is as shit as you do, and don't think it's too intellectual for anyone, and it just feels like every episode I listen to is everyone hating so very hard on this franchise. Lately, AVPG has become my least looked forward to podcast to listen to and it used to be in my top three. Where's the joy, guys?

Yeah, for an anniversary podcast there was surprisingly little talk about positives

Quote from: ModMonkey on Jul 18, 2022, 02:12:06 AMC'mon, guys, like Adam said, you're marking the tenth anniversary of this film. Does every review have to be a literal dogpile? If I can make a suggestion, in future, maybe have at least one person on the panel that might have a differing opinion on the subject?

We did discuss about that for future podcasts, and besides this, there's no other film in the franchise that we agree so much on (not even AvPR!). So this is a nexus of stars so to speak, no risk of an "all rotten score" again. If you listen to the Alien3 one we did in May (here (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2022/05/30/a-beautiful-disaster-alien-3-30th-anniversary-retrospective-avp-galaxy-podcast-145/)) there is already more of a balance. I love Alien3 for one and was more eager to talk about the praiseworthy aspects of it.

Quote from: ModMonkey on Jul 18, 2022, 02:12:06 AMThere are those of us in the fandom who don't think the movie is as shit as you do, and don't think it's too intellectual for anyone, and it just feels like every episode I listen to is everyone hating so very hard on this franchise.

If you listened to the podcast in full, we mention all these things you list and we mention that it's not a bad thing to like the film or be inspired by it. We never pose our opinion as gospel - I even apologize for the over-enthusiastic spiral of hatred at one point. We also praise a lot of aspects of the film - mostly technical ones, but there's a lot to praise in the film regardless of how we perceive it. This is said explicitly several times.

Quote from: ModMonkey on Jul 18, 2022, 02:12:06 AMLately, AVPG has become my least looked forward to podcast to listen to and it used to be in my top three. Where's the joy, guys?

Thank you for the feedback!

I enjoyed the podcast, even though I like Prometheus. :laugh:
It was fun and interesting. After all they are aware of how admirable Scott is for making movies at his current age. In fact it was like a secular reading so to speak. ;D

I enjoyed it but I must disagree Omegamorph. It was an absolute dogpile with very little respite at all honestly.

No mention of the medpod scene stands out as an obvious thing, especially since it's what peaked Ridley Scott's interest in the first place.

I honestly also thought the prior anniversary podcast also leaned far and away more negative than positive overall.

Quote from: ModMonkey on Jul 18, 2022, 02:12:06 AMC'mon, guys, like Adam said, you're marking the tenth anniversary of this film. Does every review have to be a literal dogpile?

It can't be helped if it's not something that is enjoyed by the panel. It's our opinions. And as I've said, I hate expending energy on things I dislike. I'd rather we just sit and talk about all the elements I prefer over the things I dislike, but I'm not going to censor others or myself if discussions or things take a turn in that direction.

I'm sorry that you feel we've been overly negative lately. And I'm sorry that recent projects have been ones not liked or recent anniversaries have been over divisive films. I can't help those timings or releases, nor would I dictate to our panel over whether or not they can be negative or not.

I can tell you I'm skipping a review of Colony War as I don't have the mental strength to deal with either recording or editing that discussion. And I can also tell you that I'm purposefully scheduling discussions on topics that I know we enjoy when we're now hitting these big patches of negativity.

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Quote from: Kradan on Jul 18, 2022, 06:41:34 AMYeah, for an anniversary podcast there was surprisingly little talk about positives

An anniversary doesn't preclude a positive episode. It's just a revisit.

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Quote from: ModMonkey on Jul 18, 2022, 02:12:06 AMWhere's the joy, guys?

I'm very much hoping August/September are joyous months with Prey related content.

Maybe... having a feminine perspective would diversify things a bit.  ;D

With these franchises with leading ladies.

I will say I'm not looking to extend the panel either. 4 hosts is hard enough work, 5 was even worse.

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 16, 2022, 06:07:46 AMSo we can blame Roland Emmerich for Ridley reimagining the SJ as a suit lol I remember the movie Stargate pioneered that. Although they were mechanical suits.

Honestly, it was never a connection I really made. In regards to Stargate, I think it's more about the parasites than the armour, but it's hard to disagree with ID4's take on it possibly being an inspiration. We've seen plenty of parasitical life in science-fiction, but that kind of biological suit isn't that common.

Like I said in the episode, I actually really like the concept of the Engineers and this kind of biological suit is also something I think works really well too.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 09:35:44 AM

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 18, 2022, 06:41:34 AMYeah, for an anniversary podcast there was surprisingly little talk about positives

An anniversary doesn't preclude a positive episode. It's just a revisit.

Gee, I hope you guys will be more positive for The Predator 10th anniversary

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 09:45:42 AMI will say I'm not looking to extend the panel either. 4 hosts is hard enough work, 5 was even worse.

Who said anything about extending?  :laugh:

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Quote from: Kradan on Jul 18, 2022, 09:54:51 AMGee, I hope you guys will be more positive for The Predator 10th anniversary

Oh I am positive I have tons to say about that one...  ;D

(in a way it goes deeper than Prometheus because of the horrid neurodivergent representation...)

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 18, 2022, 10:12:25 AM

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 18, 2022, 09:54:50 AMGee, I hope you guys will be more positive for The Predator 10th anniversary

Oh I am positive I have tons to say about that one...  ;D

(in a way it goes deeper than Prometheus because of the horrid neurodivergent representation...)

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Im still to recover from the disappointment i felt watching this movie in the cinema.  I dont think i ever will,  it was such an awful feeling about half way through when it just nose dives into nonsense.

Quote from: dave1978 on Jul 18, 2022, 10:42:21 AMIm still to recover from the disappointment i felt watching this movie in the cinema.  I dont think i ever will,  it was such an awful feeling about half way through when it just nose dives into nonsense.

join me my friend, we shall dance to the dark and fire, curse Jon Spaihts and the likes

I still disagree with you about Spaihts. I stand by those earlier drafts (warts and alls).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 10:52:38 AMI still disagree with you about Spaihts. I stand by those earlier drafts (warts and alls).

That's exactly the kind of thing I am talking about.

And why this ends up being the best tenth anniversary podcast retrospective:

https://twitter.com/ScriptApart/status/1524283717690212352

I tried but never received any responses. I'd love to dig into those older visions with him.

Watts and Holloway's characters were way better in particular. Most everything was honestly.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 10:52:38 AMI still disagree with you about Spaihts. I stand by those earlier drafts (warts and alls).

You can't stop me corporal

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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 18, 2022, 11:00:18 AMWatts and Holloway's characters were way better in particular. Most everything was honestly.

It still suffered the same problem with the Aliens in the 3rd act that Covenant did, but yeah, I just think it was a far more competent and interesting take on an Alien prequel. Though I will forever be glad it was changed to somewhere other than LV-426.

But like I said, I love so much of what Prometheus opened up to the wider lore and continuity. The black goo has taken the place of the Aliens as the older cosmic horror and I'm okay with that.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 09:45:42 AMI will say I'm not looking to extend the panel either. 4 hosts is hard enough work, 5 was even worse.

Why not keep a panel of four, but vary who the four are? A little variety would be excellent. I know scheduling can be difficult, but diversifying would really be refreshing, especially for episodes that might benefit from another POV.

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 16, 2022, 12:48:37 AMI also agree with @Corporal Hicks about the Engineers. They're likeable, it's just not necessarily like the Space Jockeys.

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I mean, look at these humanoids and tell me if the Engineers don't fit into the world of Alien. I laughed about turning Chutulhu into Vin Diesel (I think he was Omega :laugh: )... but the biomechanical pressure suits, the lifeless black eyes, the aesthetics of ancient greek art, etc. They are like androids of non-human origin. There is a kind of uncanny valley there for sure. I also like the idea of the Derelict corridors ergonomically designed to be circulated by pilot's assistants.

I do like the Engineers, but I kind of think the Engineers don't aesthetically fit into the world of Alien particurly well, because they are polar opposite to Giger's aesthetic and style.

Giger's art shows a clear obsession with the female form: they are often focal points of his paintings, and Giger seems to celebrate them in his own wierdly complex and highly Freudian way.

The male form, not so much (except, uh, one particular element that tends to recur quite a lot). But the point is I can recall nothing really like an Engineer in his art. Most of the males he draws are weak looking creatures, often corpulant, jowled or emaciated. The ones in the Facehugger designs look almost like dummies.

The Engineers come from another artist - Michaelangelo, who celebrates the male form, which is polar opposite to Giger. These people are tall, powerful, sculpted, muscular, and Scott explicitly points to the influence in Covenant.

I speculate that Giger's Engineers would be quite different, probably even feminine in nature. But even if it turned out to be more explicitly male (or even androgynous) I think we would have had a little more biomech stuff -- perhaps some translucent skin with pipes and tubes dimly visible beneath.

I kind of think the biomech under-suit in the film was a bit of a cheat --  if the Engineers had a truely had little more biomech as part of them, they would fit much better with the aesthetics of the flight-suit, cockpit, etc. It would integrate them better and lend a sense of harmony.

Anyway.

One last thought - one entirely on a different topic. One of the reasons I liked the black goo is that it seemed to me to make sense of a scene in ALIEN that I couldn't quite make work in my head. The "egg-morphing" scene. It always felt wrong, but while I think the Queen is a terrific piece of design, it makes the Aliens more analoguous to Earth insects, and therefore more mundane. But if the Alien is somehow the product of the black goo, it means the alien form may be more protean and flexible, and I can dig the egg-morphing scene now.

:)

One of the few things I don't like about that Spaights script is that Watts very easily kills the adult Alien after he recovers from the anesthetics.But the scientific evidence to justify the trip (an artifact on Mars), Weyland's motivations and especially when they wake up the Engineer are superior to Prometheus.

Eggmorphing is a fan term and has little bearing on what actually was the intention with the 'Brett turning into an egg' scene by the way, and the story about the black goo is a reference to that original intention, most likely

(the term 'spore' appears frequently in O'Bannon's descriptions...)

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Quote from: ModMonkey on Jul 18, 2022, 02:12:06 AMC'mon, guys, like Adam said, you're marking the tenth anniversary of this film. Does every review have to be a literal dogpile?

It can't be helped if it's not something that is enjoyed by the panel. It's our opinions. And as I've said, I hate expending energy on things I dislike. I'd rather we just sit and talk about all the elements I prefer over the things I dislike, but I'm not going to censor others or myself if discussions or things take a turn in that direction.

I'm sorry that you feel we've been overly negative lately. And I'm sorry that recent projects have been ones not liked or recent anniversaries have been over divisive films. I can't help those timings or releases, nor would I dictate to our panel over whether or not they can be negative or not.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I'm 100% not trying to say that you should like something that you don't or how to run your show. I genuinely still think AVPG is the best Alien and Predator show out there. As an entity that somewhat represents the whole fandom, though, it might be worthwhile to seek out a more diverse group of panelists in cases where you're discussing something particularly divisive or polarizing like Prometheus. I mean, the Alien 3 show was more balanced because there were people who really disliked it but also people who loved it so an actual conversation happened. With Prometheus, there's probably a solid hour of the show that's just hard dumping on the film which, to be fair, is only a third of the whole episode but it's still a solid hour of dogpiling. It was kind of stressful and exhausting. I had to turn the show off and go do something else for a while before coming back to it.

Maybe I'm being too sensitive, maybe I'm not the best fit for the tone of AVPG, anymore, maybe I'm just really tired of fandoms where nobody hates on it like a true blue fan of it can.🤷

And, yes, I do also see the irony in my negative critique of the episode's tone potentially adding to the overall negativity of the narrative.😄

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Quote from: ModMonkey on Jul 18, 2022, 02:12:06 AMThere are those of us in the fandom who don't think the movie is as shit as you do, and don't think it's too intellectual for anyone, and it just feels like every episode I listen to is everyone hating so very hard on this franchise.

If you listened to the podcast in full, we mention all these things you list and we mention that it's not a bad thing to like the film or be inspired by it. We never pose our opinion as gospel - I even apologize for the over-enthusiastic spiral of hatred at one point. We also praise a lot of aspects of the film - mostly technical ones, but there's a lot to praise in the film regardless of how we perceive it. This is said explicitly several times.

I guess the disappointment I feel regarding the commentary is not entirely dissimilar to how you all reacted to Prometheus watching it for the first time. As someone who doesn't hate the movie despite its flaws I went into the podcast expecting to hear some things I disagreed with but also to hear some genuine perspectives and discussion of the themes and history, maybe hear some new stuff I didn't know about, and just generally get a fun and informed discussion about a film that we're all still talking about 10 years later despite being a crazy-as-balls, aesthetically gorgeous, hot mess.

Coming out of listening to the podcast, though, three hours later, I'm asking myself, why did I subject myself to that? That was just kind of...unpleasant.

I don't dislike criticism, and I feel that Prometheus certainly deserves it's fair share, but when you listen to three panelists do a round robin gleefully/frustratedly tearing the film a new asshole for 20 minutes or more a piece, one after the other for over an hour, it's a bit much and a little off-putting, at least for me, anyway. Adam had a much more measured response to the film and the show, in general (which I appreciated), and felt like he kept the spiral from going even harder or longer.

So, even though there were some good takes on specific elements of the film or its production, the sheer volume and concentration of negativity and frustration just blows that out of the water and it leaves no lingering positive impression.

I don't really engage with the community on the boards that often so I feel kind of awkward coming out of virtually nowhere to say these things, but I've been a listener/viewer since the beginning of the podcast and it just feels like there's a tone settling in with the show that's starting to resemble other, less dignified, fandoms, and I hate that it makes me want to engage/listen/watch AVPG less. I don't generally go in for schedenfreude or enjoy watching people take pleasure in tearing something down.

Anyway, I'm sure that I'm certainly not in the majority, here, but just wanted to comment as a longtime supporter of the show who's starting to feel the fatigue.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 10:52:38 AMI still disagree with you about Spaihts. I stand by those earlier drafts (warts and alls).

That's exactly the kind of thing I am talking about.

And why this ends up being the best tenth anniversary podcast retrospective:

https://twitter.com/ScriptApart/status/1524283717690212352

That interview with Spaihts was off the chain good. Some of the stuff he details with the different factions of Engineers?

Gold.

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Quote from: NecronomIV on Jul 18, 2022, 03:03:37 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2022, 09:45:42 AMI will say I'm not looking to extend the panel either. 4 hosts is hard enough work, 5 was even worse.

Why not keep a panel of four, but vary who the four are? A little variety would be excellent. I know scheduling can be difficult, but diversifying would really be refreshing, especially for episodes that might benefit from another POV.

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100% what I was thinking. Not adding more, just rotating based on the content being discussed.

Quote from: ModMonkey on Jul 18, 2022, 03:52:00 PMMaybe I'm being too sensitive,

Indeed.

Worry not, the staff reads feedback and discusses it. We'll come up with something  :)

Quote from: NecronomIV on Jul 18, 2022, 03:03:37 PMI speculate that Giger's Engineers would be quite different, probably even feminine in nature. But even if it turned out to be more explicitly male (or even androgynous) I think we would have had a little more biomech stuff -- perhaps some translucent skin with pipes and tubes dimly visible beneath.

Quote from: NecronomIV on Jul 18, 2022, 03:03:37 PMI do like the Engineers, but I kind of think the Engineers don't aesthetically fit into the world of Alien particurly well, because they are polar opposite to Giger's aesthetic and style.

This actually kind of fits with the design ethos in the first film where Giger designed alien stuff and Cobb and Moebius designed human stuff. I think it's admirable to bring in different people with different aesthetics to design different aspects of this universe.

While I could get on board with the idea that the Engineers and Aliens should share a similar design language, the black goo and basic biological diversity makes it okay, in my mind, to have those differences.

If you look at an elephant and a bony-eared assfish you might not think they came from the same planet, but they do.

I still dig both, Alien and SJ, as two species that evolved on a biomechanical ecosystem, where the whole terrain conforme a giant neural network that covers the whole world. Then just like homo sapiens on Earth, the Space Jockeys became a civilization. 

With that in mind, I can see the Alien as a life form that evolved in a dangerous environment, developing characteristics such as its parasitic life cycle or acid blood to survive. 

That is to say, the Alien as an organism of natural origin, which was studied and weaponized by the biomechanical pilots.

A lot of people go back to O'Bannon's ideas but the truth of the matter is - they didn't matter anymore by 2012 and they certainly won't matter in the foreseeable future. To the joy of its fans and the dismay of many secular fans, Prometheus has won its way in official lore and it's not going away any time soon.

Covenant starts over from Prometheus and dare I say it's a much, much better film, more clean cut in what it wants to be, more clean cut with how it writes the android, and most importantly way, way meaner than Prometheus. If Prometheus was stitched together, Covenant is its refinement, and finds its voice in referencing classic gothic literature and British horror of old (Hammer horror most importantly). It does suffer from similar problems to Prometheus (many characters are not flawed like other 'ID island' films, but downright idiotic, for no discernible reason other than... they're dumb) but at the very least it retcons the retcon and makes the Alien go back to being something interesting.

Also it gets rid of Shaw, so like 500 bonus points

To me, Covenant definitely triumphs over Prometheus -- DESPITE that horrid android kung-fu and Oram being the worst written character of the entire series -- so I look forward to doing a podcast on it

I'll play nice when the time comes :P

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 19, 2022, 10:06:58 AMAlso it gets rid of Shaw, so like 500 bonus points

What about James Franco being rostated alive in the first 10 minutes ?

That also gives it points.

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 19, 2022, 12:41:20 PM

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 19, 2022, 10:06:58 AMAlso it gets rid of Shaw, so like 500 bonus points

What about James Franco being rostated alive in the first 10 minutes ?

12500 points

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 16, 2022, 03:04:58 PMOmega mentioning whole "300 years of darvinism" thing made me remember a problem I always had watching that scene: Milburn says it as if 300 years makes it have more weight. Well, there's that little thing called Christianity, you stupid ass, which tells us that we were all created by the will of God and that shit existed for over 2000 years, you f**k !

Not sure what point you're trying to make but I agree with Omega. When Millburn said "300 years of Darwinism", I immediately thought, "well, he's not a biologist" because if he was he would have said, "3.5 billion years of Evolution" (as Omega pointed out).

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 16, 2022, 07:07:35 PMWell, I guess, my point is that something being centuries old doesn't necessarily make it true

Excellent discussion. Very nostalgic.

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 19, 2022, 10:06:58 AMIt does suffer from similar problems to Prometheus (many characters are not flawed like other 'ID island' films, but downright idiotic, for no discernible reason other than... they're dumb)

I will have to defend covenant here: In prometheus I agree they were dumb and thats why it dont fit the plot when they say these are the best scientists there is on earth, but in the movie they act like teenagers and idiots rather than scientists....
I see some people complain that the people in covenant are dumb and why they dont wear helmets or do science etc, why would they? They are colonist and normal workers, some are military to protect the others, none of them from what the movie shows are scientists. So to me its okay that they dont act too smart or talk like scientists would, more like the crew of nostromo, normal people traveling in space.

And we all know how dumb people can be and do stupid decisions, aka look at covid years how people fail to follow simpliest of tasks or rules....

Quote from: judge death on Jul 21, 2022, 12:39:56 AM

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 19, 2022, 10:06:58 AMIt does suffer from similar problems to Prometheus (many characters are not flawed like other 'ID island' films, but downright idiotic, for no discernible reason other than... they're dumb)

I will have to defend covenant here: In prometheus I agree they were dumb and thats why it dont fit the plot when they say these are the best scientists there is on earth, but in the movie they act like teenagers and idiots rather than scientists....
I see some people complain that the people in covenant are dumb and why they dont wear helmets or do science etc, why would they? They are colonist and normal workers, some are military to protect the others, none of them from what the movie shows are scientists. So to me its okay that they dont act too smart or talk like scientists would, more like the crew of nostromo, normal people traveling in space.

And we all know how dumb people can be and do stupid decisions, aka look at covid years how people fail to follow simpliest of tasks or rules....

I will say that when I watched this with my wife, who is a microbiologist and ecologist among other things, I was surprised she didn't mention Milburn's rather naive approach to the Hammerpede, and when I quizzed her about it she said "No... that's about right. A lot of people in the sciences aren't actually that sensible or bright."

Here's a joke: "What do you call someone who got 51% on their medicine exam?"
Answer: "Doctor"

OTOH, quarantine procedures for space-farers would almost certainly be breathtakingly high. In Covenant, and Prothemetheus both, taking off your helmet is not just stupid, it's likely contravening SOP. It's probably bad enough people carrying basic and exotic Terran infections from place to place (as the waves of flu, SARS and other exotics like Ebola and Monkeypox demonstrate!), let alone stopping off on an alien planet with an actual functioning ecology and picking up almost anything.

Ripley knew about quarantine procedure, and was not only sabotaged by the company in the form of Ash, but attacked for her by-the-book approach by her crew-mates who should have known better. I forget what Parker and Brett's reaction was, but Dallas and Lambert should have realised they weren't getting back on-board and their attitude otherwise suggests a certain lets-not-and-say-we-did approach to quarantine among truckers-in-space.

Their reactions aren't shown but I can't imagine either was ecstatic letting an Alien on board.

Quote from: NecronomIV on Jul 21, 2022, 05:18:20 AMI will say that when I watched this with my wife, who is a microbiologist and ecologist among other things, I was surprised she didn't mention Milburn's rather naive approach to the Hammerpede, and when I quizzed her about it she said "No... that's about right. A lot of people in the sciences aren't actually that sensible or bright."

Your wife has presented us with a paradox. How can take much notice of her opinion that a lot of scientists aren't very bright, given that she herself is a scientist and therefore possibly not very .......

However, fully agree with your comments on quarantine procedures.

Quote from: javablue on Jul 20, 2022, 12:59:50 PMNot sure what point you're trying to make but I agree with Omega. When Millburn said "300 years of Darwinism", I immediately thought, "well, he's not a biologist" because if he was he would have said, "3.5 billion years of Evolution" (as Omega pointed out).

THANK YOU

the guy's comic relief clearly, but a misplaced one....

Quote from: judge death on Jul 21, 2022, 12:39:56 AMI will have to defend covenant here: In prometheus I agree they were dumb and thats why it dont fit the plot when they say these are the best scientists there is on earth, but in the movie they act like teenagers and idiots rather than scientists....

I will concede if you convince me Oram's death is somehow justifiable within the context of the movie
or why no one questions why david is mimicking (and then maaaaybe replacing) walter

(genuine question, not an attack; I don't watch Covenant often)

Quote from: javablue on Jul 21, 2022, 01:12:07 PM

Quote from: NecronomIV on Jul 21, 2022, 05:18:20 AMI will say that when I watched this with my wife, who is a microbiologist and ecologist among other things, I was surprised she didn't mention Milburn's rather naive approach to the Hammerpede, and when I quizzed her about it she said "No... that's about right. A lot of people in the sciences aren't actually that sensible or bright."

Your wife has presented us with a paradox. How can take much notice of her opinion that a lot of scientists aren't very bright, given that she herself is a scientist and therefore possibly not very .......

However, fully agree with your comments on quarantine procedures.

She was digusted by science in the end - way too much politicising, infighting, sabotage and you get to produce reports that allow the goverment to say "Look! We've done something about Problem X" and then implement or provide funding for exactly none of the recommendations. She moved to teaching, and then to farming/ecology/education.  :)

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 19, 2022, 10:06:58 AMA lot of people go back to O'Bannon's ideas but the truth of the matter is - they didn't matter anymore by 2012 and they certainly won't matter in the foreseeable future. To the joy of its fans and the dismay of many secular fans, Prometheus has won its way in official lore and it's not going away any time soon.

Covenant starts over from Prometheus and dare I say it's a much, much better film, more clean cut in what it wants to be, more clean cut with how it writes the android, and most importantly way, way meaner than Prometheus. If Prometheus was stitched together, Covenant is its refinement, and finds its voice in referencing classic gothic literature and British horror of old (Hammer horror most importantly). It does suffer from similar problems to Prometheus (many characters are not flawed like other 'ID island' films, but downright idiotic, for no discernible reason other than... they're dumb) but at the very least it retcons the retcon and makes the Alien go back to being something interesting.

Also it gets rid of Shaw, so like 500 bonus points

To me, Covenant definitely triumphs over Prometheus -- DESPITE that horrid android kung-fu and Oram being the worst written character of the entire series -- so I look forward to doing a podcast on it

I'll play nice when the time comes :P

I am not a canon denier despite sharing my nerdy fetishes. You're right, and unless someone makes a serious retcon, David is the creator of the Alien and the Engineers are the Space Jockeys. That being said, Covenant is a nice gothic sci-fi movie and the Fassbender vs. Fassbender scene reminds me of the Jinsei chamber from Mortal Kombat.  ;D

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 22, 2022, 12:20:19 AM

Quote from: javablue on Jul 20, 2022, 12:59:50 PMNot sure what point you're trying to make but I agree with Omega. When Millburn said "300 years of Darwinism", I immediately thought, "well, he's not a biologist" because if he was he would have said, "3.5 billion years of Evolution" (as Omega pointed out).

THANK YOU

the guy's comic relief clearly, but a misplaced one....

The actions of Millburn (and Fifield) are clearly set up to be interpreted as comic relief but I think their role goes beyond that. And if you look closely at Holloway's presentation, you will see that it's full of similar silly mistakes and therefore you could just as easily say "well, he's not an archaeologist". Ditto Shaw. 

Are they all comic relief or is something else going on?

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 22, 2022, 01:49:32 AMI am not a canon denier despite sharing my nerdy fetishes. You're right, and unless someone makes a serious retcon, David is the creator of the Alien and the Engineers are the Space Jockeys. Covenant is a cute gothic sci-fi movie and the Fassbender vs. Fassbender reminds me of the Jinsei bedroom from Mortal Kombat.  ;D

Thank you

of course, a lot of people can still do whatever and select the canon continuity for their own viewing

for example, Alien DC contradicts Aliens, therefore, it can be a logical argument to put it into its own continuity

examples of possible continuity branching (think Halloween) excluding AvP:

ALIEN DC - PROMETHEUS - COVENANT (linked by the use of spores; eggmorphing was never a thing)

ALIEN TC - ALIENS TC/DC - ALIEN3 TC/AC - RESURRECTION TC/DC - PROMETHEUS - COVENANT (PROMETHEUS and COVENANT gain stylistical points if RESURRECTION is included in the equation)


my personal canon timelines for the films depends on my mood but generally here goes

ALIEN DC - (THE DESTROYING ANGELS) (neither makes a single reference to a Queen caste)

ALIEN TC - ALIENS TC/DC (ALIEN DC can be conciliated with ALIENS in a vacuum, but not considering author intentions)

ALIEN TC - ALIENS TC/DC - ALIEN3 TC/DC (Ripley arc)
ALIEN: RESURRECTION TC/DC (French coda in an alternate universe where everything is Jeunet)

ALIEN TC - ALIENS TC/DC - ALIEN3 TC/DC - ALIEN: RESURRECTION (Ripley arc + French coda in an unrecognizable future wrapping Ripley's arc in a most unusual way)

I just like watching the movies.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2022, 02:02:07 AMI just like watching the movies.

I like watching them

alot

Btw, nothing wrong about some android kung-fu

Really enjoyed the podcast guys! It was fun seeing Omega so enthralled! :laugh: I enjoy Prometheus a lot more now than I did before, and the RPG has done wonders to integrate it into the world, but I do agree with all of the mentioned criticisms. I would've liked to hear more about your opinions on the medpod scene, Deacon design and Fifield practical zombie vs CGI grey ET. But still, very fun IMO. Can't wait to see Omega unleashed for The Predator one day.  :laugh: 

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 22, 2022, 05:39:07 AMBtw, nothing wrong about some android kung-fu

Imma tell the mods

Quote from: Still Collating... on Jul 22, 2022, 01:03:24 PMReally enjoyed the podcast guys! It was fun seeing Omega so enthralled! :laugh: I enjoy Prometheus a lot more now than I did before, and the RPG has done wonders to integrate it into the world, but I do agree with all of the mentioned criticisms. I would've liked to hear more about your opinions on the medpod scene, Deacon design and Fifield practical zombie vs CGI grey ET. But still, very fun IMO. Can't wait to see Omega unleashed for The Predator one day.  :laugh: 

That you will!

I'm thinking of doing something Prometheus related that's not me going secular fanboy over it but we'll see how it's gonna go

i agree with most of what has been said about prometheus. i just wanted people to be aware that if you compare spaihts and lindelof's drafts alot of the illogical stuff was deliberately inserted.

justsayin....

Pretty much. And most stuff cut ended up in Alien Covenant later.

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 22, 2022, 02:38:56 PMI'm thinking of doing something Prometheus related that's not me going secular fanboy over it but we'll see how it's gonna go

Great! 8)  Also looking forward to your thoughts on Prey and the new Predator design.

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 22, 2022, 12:20:19 AMI will concede if you convince me Oram's death is somehow justifiable within the context of the movie
or why no one questions why david is mimicking (and then maaaaybe replacing) walter

Only theory I have is Oram thought David was just like Walther and cant allow a human to be hurt and trusted him which is strange after what he saw David do... I guess its more Ridley thing and he wanted to do some religious point....

I dont remember David trying to mimmic Walther at all with the crew until at the end when David is disapointed in Walther and takes him out and then what he tried to do with Daniels and kissing before Walther comes back and Walther was beating David as she left.

How David could get his haircut and same color within seconds is another question and removing one of his arms.

Quote from: judge death on Jul 23, 2022, 03:09:44 PMOnly theory I have is Oram thought David was just like Walther and cant allow a human to be hurt and trusted him which is strange after what he saw David do... I guess its more Ridley thing and he wanted to do some religious point...

yep, so, kinda terribly scripted. It would've been so easy to add an insert shot of some sort of gas entering Oram thru the nose (same way the spores entered the guys) but what gives?

Quote from: judge death on Jul 23, 2022, 03:09:44 PMI dont remember David trying to mimmic Walther at all with the crew until at the end when David is disapointed in Walther and takes him out and then what he tried to do with Daniels and kissing before Walther comes back and Walther was beating David as she left.

How David could get his haircut and same color within seconds is another question and removing one of his arms.

He literally cut his hair to pull the stunt and he does so relatively early, so that doesn't work

the walter switch is easier: he uploaded himself into walter's body

I believe there was both cut scenes of the lavender drugging Oram and David leaning over it to display the safety of it.

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 23, 2022, 06:31:34 PMHe literally cut his hair to pull the stunt and he does so relatively early, so that doesn't work

the walter switch is easier: he uploaded himself into walter's body

You are correct there that after he spoke to the communication people setting up their antenna radio thing, he cut his hair, but like some female friends, they look different:
(Yes, I rewatched covenant to be sure I dont remember it wrong xD )
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David:
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Walter:
(https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/295617076_10228197467388682_5367351826235799378_n.jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=xKtZx3Az3DEAX8r516W&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=00_AT_tyS2xifEu0n3aJa0I7JuABaOvR6LqU_DKDWFs5MQmcg&oe=62E2111E)

But yeah you are right he do it rather quick and one would suspect it being weird and one should be worried about but I noticed:
Its only Oram and Daniels who see him with the new haircut, rest of the crew dont see him after the first encounter.
But even then him with long hair and being same design as Walter they should had started to be worried those two might be hard to keep track of who is who.

Oram is as he is and fails to realise things and as we saw him: naively believing David, most likely thinking he is just like Walter and no need to be worried and trusting what David is saying.

Daniel did raise some concern and sensing something is wrong and was worried and tells Walter, who says: I will have a talk with my brother.

Rest of covenant crew had no idea.


Oh holy damn! You are genious, I havent even thought about that, nor have I seen any reviewers or people here coming up with that idea that David just uploaded himself into Walters body, that explains the mouth injury, arm, and the hair. Everyone I know so far has been like: David defeated Walter, then took his clothes, fixed the hair and made self injury to the mouth to look like Walter.
Well spotted and great idea, love it. :D

Quote from: judge death on Jul 24, 2022, 01:36:43 AMOh holy damn! You are genious, I havent even thought about that, nor have I seen any reviewers or people here coming up with that idea that David just uploaded himself into Walters body, that explains the mouth injury, arm, and the hair.

Really ? I  thought it was quite popular fan theory

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 24, 2022, 01:40:03 AMReally ? I  thought it was quite popular fan theory

Yes! I probably missed it if it was brought up on the forum before, most reactions I´ve seen has been like this person in this review, I time stamped it so dont have to watch whole thing:
https://youtu.be/iBNV1QqConw?t=2595

Gotta love when one find new info and ones mind just explodes and I wonder how I didnt thought of that was an option. :D

Yeah I'm quite far from being a genius, the upload thing is a popular fan theory... and the only explanation that makes a lick of sense in the context of the movie

Daniels DOES see David with the new haircut - when he molests her. She should've been wary of the similarities between the two, but you can chalk that up to stress (I guess? Doesn't really do the trick for me, not at that point). Oram is of course the worst offender. Again assuming David as the old kind of Hammer Horror villain (a sorcerer-like character), the movie (which is supposedly a clever one that takes itself seriously) should've given the audience the tiniest bit of visual info about some sort of spore-gas or whatever that drugged the crew. Hell, David could've blown it into their faces - imagine him blowing a poison kiss to Oram, like the devil

also I'm talking to judge death on an Alien forum lemme go find some 2000AD comics, mmm NECROPOLIS!

Yep! At that stage of the movie it dont make sense Daniels just trust Walter/David syntetic without even thnking that it could be David all along, she never saw Walter win the fight/how it ended.
She should been paranoid after what happened and made tests to check if its Walter or not, especielly how her personality was shown earlier in the movie. For us audience it wouldnt work no matter, we would always suspect this would happen.

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 24, 2022, 07:47:50 AMalso I'm talking to judge death on an Alien forum lemme go find some 2000AD comics, mmm NECROPOLIS!

Hehehe! A person with great taste I see. That or The four dark judges or judge death lives are the best comics with judge death. :D

Quote from: judge death on Jul 24, 2022, 08:01:12 AMYep! At that stage of the movie it dont make sense Daniels just trust Walter/David syntetic without even thnking that it could be David all along, she never saw Walter win the fight/how it ended.
She should been paranoid after what happened and made tests to check if its Walter or not, especielly how her personality was shown earlier in the movie. For us audience it wouldnt work no matter, we would always suspect this would happen.

Indeed. The movie (again, since it wants to be clever) lacks crucial script info

Quote from: judge death on Jul 24, 2022, 08:01:12 AMHehehe! A person with great taste I see. That or The four dark judges or judge death lives are the best comics with judge death. :D

YES! The original run with all four is my favourite. JUDGE MORTIS!

They also did this movie, Split Second, where the monster is pretty much Judge Death in an Alien disguise (even kills people by ripping their hearts off):

(https://www.dreadcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/SPLIT-SECOND.jpg)

also stars Rutger Hauer. Defo recommended!

The cut on Walter's right cheek from the fight is the hint given(That flew over most peoples heads) emphasised by the stapling of the scar scene with Daniels and its prominent stitches shown is the strongest indication that David uploaded into Walter by force or by Walter choosing to reign in hell, making in my sense of it a covenant with David.

The thing is Walter should't need staples. He has auto-healing. I took that from my very first viewing to be that it was David's body because it hadn't repaired itself like we saw his earlier wounds do.

But then that should've been a major red flag to the other characters.

And his hand didn't make an effort to repair itself either.
The whole lead up to the fight has David trying to persuade Walter to turn.
The upload makes better sense

Quote from: David Weyland on Jul 25, 2022, 08:38:13 AMAnd his hand didn't make an effort to repair itself either.
The whole lead up to the fight has David trying to persuade Walter to turn.
The upload makes better sense

The film shows us Walter healing a smaller wound to his "skin" and makes a point of "there's been a few upgrades". I've always found the upload idea to be convoluted than him simply pretending.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 25, 2022, 07:51:28 AMBut then that should've been a major red flag to the other characters.

That's fair and I've no answer to that outside of "stress of the situation." It's just the way I've always read how the film presented the situation.

this is going into 'feats' and as far as regen feats go Walter has only been shown to recover from relatively minor damage that is not intrinsically structural

Been here before with this many times but the amount of off screen time between Daniels and Lope waiting for Tennessee and 'Walter' turning up to join them is minimal, 5 minutes at best.

Despite what Ridley says about it that he cheated(To throw us off the scent perhaps?) the physical switch and all that entailed in the time from one scene to the next just doesn't make sense at all.

The upload theory carries well (Interesting that the new tv series is going to expand upon this idea)right through perhaps in theory to fellow Perfect Organism lover Ash

I would like to point out that androids capable of performing various tasks much faster than humans (see Bishop's knife trick)

Checklist:
Kill Walter
Change clothes
Replicate cuts(Actually he had no need to as nobody saw Walter's face get cut except David thus furthering upload theory)
Acid burn hand off
Go back to lair, swallow embryos
Kiss Elizabeth Shaw goodbye
Catch up with the others

In 30 minutes sure, in 5 even at Bishop speed, no.

Quote from: David Weyland on Jul 25, 2022, 05:23:00 PMGo back to lair, swallow embryos
Kiss Elizabeth Shaw goodbye

I can argue he did both of these things beforehand

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Quote from: David Weyland on Jul 25, 2022, 05:23:00 PMAcid burn hand off

I thought Walter's hand was bitten off by Neo, not burnt off. All David needed to do is to find a way to 'lose" his hand. Conveniently, there was a knife laying nearby ...

It did bite his hand off but it was sizzling

Then in the staple the scar scene the end of his arm is like a burnt stub

Problem here is: those creatures dont have acid for blood, so walters hand wasnt burnt off/acid damage. Also when oram killed one of them it didnt either leak acid. Them not having acid for blood is According to the book released together with covenant.

It still sizzles after being dismembered, being fused and cauterized, so they certainly have acidic salvia.

The acid blood element was present in Prometheus with the Hammerpede creature spawned from the worms with the black goo.
Therefore I figured the neomorphs would too have some element of it

Even so, the cut of the hand doesn't look it was chopped off with a knife-Be bleeding white no then?
It appears burnt or blown off, in this case the Neo's bite so therefore to me adds to reason David is in Walter's body

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 26, 2022, 10:19:01 AMIt still sizzles after being dismembered, being fused and cauterized, so they certainly have acidic salvia.

I think you are right on that, the book dont say anything about it so its fully possible, and from what we see in the movie as well. No acidic blood but very acidic saliva in their mouths.

Wait, what ? Acidic saliva ? How does that make sense ? If Big Chap had that Nostromo would be a piece of Swiss cheese in an hour or less

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 27, 2022, 06:48:58 AMWait, what ? Acidic saliva ? How does that make sense ? If Big Chap had that Nostromo would be a piece of Swiss cheese in an hour or less

Big Chap didn't have it but the Runner and the Resurrection Aliens did

Only when spitting.

I thought they were able to spit their blood but fair enough

Quote from: SiL on Jul 27, 2022, 09:19:01 AMOnly when spitting.

Where does one spit from?  :P

Quote from: Kradan on Jul 27, 2022, 09:21:42 AMI thought they were able to spit their blood but fair enough

I mean it could be, I don't really partake in trying to make sense of the entire film canon as I employ separate timelines

You know well enough that not everything in nature that is (seemingly) spat is saliva.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 27, 2022, 10:19:22 AMYou know well enough that not everything in nature that is (seemingly) spat is saliva.

nor is it necessarily blood either

Quote from: NecronomIV on Jul 21, 2022, 05:18:20 AMI will say that when I watched this with my wife, who is a microbiologist and ecologist among other things, I was surprised she didn't mention Milburn's rather naive approach to the Hammerpede, and when I quizzed her about it she said "No... that's about right. A lot of people in the sciences aren't actually that sensible or bright."

Here's a joke: "What do you call someone who got 51% on their medicine exam?"
Answer: "Doctor"

I kind of love this.😂

Listened to it again.. still love it. :3 Love the shade.

Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 27, 2022, 02:37:25 PMnor is it necessarily blood either

Venom. Like certain snake species that can spit their venom. Neither saliva nor blood.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 22, 2022, 01:59:18 AMVenom. Like certain snake species that can spit their venom. Neither saliva nor blood.

I didn't think about venom, certainly doesn't seem to work rapidly if it were the case - although Christie deemed his sacrifice the most viable option.