Best ever Predator pic/pic of Predator?

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It's such a simple change but it makes such a difference - changing the location from the actual jungle to the concrete one. I'm of the opinion that if Predators had just simply gone for a different location other than jungle again it wouldn't have been accused of being a remake as much.

I absolutely love the atmosphere of LA in P2, it's a character in and of itself - a city of gang wars, cocaine, heat, sweat, dark alleys, lousy reporters and overworked cops.

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Looks like a Predator version of Waldo lol

I absolutely agree with his, LA is a character in this film and that to me is the important aspect of making  a solid Predator film. The 87' Film did the same thing with the Jungle as P2 with LA.

[Nightmare Asylum]

Every once in a while, you do find some gold during a casual scroll through Reddit. It's rare, incredibly rare, but... every once in a while...

(Unironically, though, this is true; down with the super strict/formal Predator "honor code" nonsense!)

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@Nightmare Asylum I agree with you, imo less defining Predator and more mystery.

I'm not necessarily a fan of the idea of the honor code theory and I never really saw it that way in the original film. Let me elaborate on that, retrospectively Predators clearly do have a type of code as we know from the original, whether that be an honor code or hunting code or something else entirely. That's clear to us as we see Predator wouldn't kill Anna as she is unarmed, since it's "no sport" and also what I interpret as a sign of respect shown to Dutch at the final face off, JH choses not to kill him when he had the chance instead choses to remove his biomask and reveal his face then engaging in a one on one fight.

With that said at the end of the movie when JH self destructs, I'd imagine the components of their sort of honor system (if we are to believe it exists) does not necessarily mean or translate exactly to our human honor system. What may appear to us as cowardly or lacking of Honor may be something Predators consider differently. We can see even in our own human history throughout the world how honor is defined differently and varies drastically throughout cultures and time. As I've said earlier I'm not a fan of the idea of a Predator honor system and I don't actually think one exists but if I had to try and see the film from a perspective where it does, that would be my interpretation of what happened at the end.

[Corporal Hicks]

Ya'll know I hate the whole honor concept that the Yautja introduced. They're not honorable. Sure, they have a code, but they lean so much on their advantages that they can't be called honorable by our standards imo.

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Ya'll know I hate the whole honor concept that the Yautja introduced. They're not honorable. Sure, they have a code, but they lean so much on their advantages that they can't be called honorable by our standards imo.

Yup exactly right.

[BISHOP 93]

I don't like the "Honour code" aspect. I've always interpreted it as maybe not a code but more like guidelines or the preds own interpretation on how far to take the rules of the hunt. Like with JH his wrist computer was damaged plus Dutch had given JH a good run around so maybe Jungle Hunter thought "Im gonna have some fun with this. I dont want it to be over quickly"sortve thing. Then with City Hunter not killing someone whose pregnant wasn't sporting or fun. Would a Hunter still shoot a deer if they knew it was pregnant?

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Like with JH his wrist computer was damaged plus Dutch had given JH a good run around so maybe Jungle Hunter thought "Im gonna have some fun with this. I dont want it to be over quickly"sortve thing.

I agree and also do not like the Honor code assumptions, in fact I feel that wasn't the intent of John McTiernan when the original film was made. Rather I think he left things vague and unexplained purposefully to keep Predator a mystery. In doing so enabling the audience to interpret as they perceive and digest Jungle Hunters character and actions throughout the film. That mystery was more of a Predator characteristic than his code and is often overlooked when it comes to Predator content. What I think happened was the expanded lore stuff outside of the original films skewed the perspective on Predators while redefining their code as an honor system - Steve Perry comes to mind.

As for your thought about JH, I interpreted his reveal as a sign of respect shown to Dutch at the final face off, JH choses not to kill him when he had the chance instead choses to remove his biomask and reveal his face then engaging in a one on one fight.

[Neila]

It became a franchise and so there were a lot of options on the table to keep it going.

I've never liked this code of honor stuff either and have mentioned it several times.
JH was a sadistic scumbag and that made him scary.

he was an intelligent monster with high tech weapons.
I also always saw the first film as a kind of socially critical response to our complacent society.
Humans hunt animals with firearms and night vision devices, make trophies out of them and see themselves at the forefront of evolution.
Now Mr. JH comes along and turns the tables. Now man is the hunted. In principle, he does the same thing to his victims that many people do to the animal world.

During the showdown with Arnie, JH thought to himself: "Okay, this guy has a little more to him and it would be nice to kill him in a duel. Let's see how he does."

The fact that he ultimately chooses the self-destruct mechanism reinforces the statement that a code of honor is nonsense. At least in the first film. And that's why there is only one film in the Predi universe that is important and that is and remains Predator 1987.

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It became a franchise and so there were a lot of options on the table to keep it going.

I've never liked this code of honor stuff either and have mentioned it several times.
JH was a sadistic scumbag and that made him scary.

he was an intelligent monster with high tech weapons.
I also always saw the first film as a kind of socially critical response to our complacent society.
Humans hunt animals with firearms and night vision devices, make trophies out of them and see themselves at the forefront of evolution.
Now Mr. JH comes along and turns the tables. Now man is the hunted. In principle, he does the same thing to his victims that many people do to the animal world.

During the showdown with Arnie, JH thought to himself: "Okay, this guy has a little more to him and it would be nice to kill him in a duel. Let's see how he does."

The fact that he ultimately chooses the self-destruct mechanism reinforces the statement that a code of honor is nonsense. At least in the first film. And that's why there is only one film in the Predi universe that is important and that is and remains Predator 1987.

I have to respond - Absolutely and perfectly said. This is verbatim exactly how I see it, every part of it.

I wish that whom ever consults these films could explain it to filmmakers as you've stated here.

[Master Chief]

City Hunter is another example.  He was going to destroy "300 hundred city blocks" of Los Angeles because he was losing.  No honor in that.

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City Hunter is another example.  He was going to destroy "300 hundred city blocks" of Los Angeles because he was losing.  No honor in that.

Haha you know that is a very good point, I don't know why I never thought of that. Didn't matter who in that radius was pregnant or unarmed there.

[Neila]

Of course, it is always argued that the Predator universe is larger and that there can be different types of Preds. Ultimately, it's similar in the Alien universe.
The xenos were becoming more and more
robbed of any real eeriness.
However, with Predator I found it more serious.
He became more and more human-like.
These franchises started with relatively uncompromising films and became increasingly effeminate, which is not uncommon when brands of this type continue to expand and reach an ever-growing audience. This is logically the main goal in filmmaking.

Trachtenberg and Alvarez will continue in their direction, as both have had great success with their franchise entries.
I'm just a bitter little fan who weeps for the old films haha.
Maybe they'll turn things around and the creatures will become meaner and more threatening again, which will become apparent in the coming films.

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Of course, it is always argued that the Predator universe is larger and that there can be different types of Preds. Ultimately, it's similar in the Alien universe.
The xenos were becoming more and more
robbed of any real eeriness.
However, with Predator I found it more serious.
He became more and more human-like.
These franchises started with relatively uncompromising films and became increasingly effeminate, which is not uncommon when brands of this type continue to expand and reach an ever-growing audience. This is logically the main goal in filmmaking.

Trachtenberg and Alvarez will continue in their direction, as both have had great success with their franchise entries.
I'm just a bitter little fan who weeps for the old films haha.
Maybe they'll turn things around and the creatures will become meaner and more threatening again, which will become apparent in the coming films.

I agree with all of this, I too crave the old films - the classic and establishing film that allowed Predator to remain the silent mysterious enigmatic hunter imperceptible, invisible and powerful.

Plus I miss the original Winston design.

[Neila]

I'm absolutely with you on that.
I always wondered why they didn't do it really well anymore.
I mean, I think CH's design, as well as his clan, is just as good as JH, but after that it became difficult.
maybe Badlands will surprise us.

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I'm absolutely with you on that.
I always wondered why they didn't do it really well anymore.
I mean, I think CH's design, as well as his clan, is just as good as JH, but after that it became difficult.
maybe Badlands will surprise us.

Yeah I don't know why all future iterations got it wrong. I imagine in some cases lack of understanding of Winston's design and/or skill in the Special FX departments couldn't match it and in other cases (e.g. Super Predators, the Upgrade and Feral) they were trying to reinvent the character in order to attract to wider and newer audience.

"maybe Badlands will surprise us." - I hope so too!