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Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Nov 23, 2013, 05:33:45 AM
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Hardcover - 160 pages + 20 inserts - $50.00

This was previewed at NYCC, looks like nobody picked up on it.

Sales sheet:
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Nov 23, 2013, 05:38:19 AM
Aw man someone's gonna have fun reading through it and seeing how much was from the Anchorpoint Essays.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Aspie on Nov 23, 2013, 05:40:36 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Nov 23, 2013, 05:33:45 AM
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Hardcover - 160 pages + 20 inserts - $50.00

This was previewed at NYCC, looks like nobody picked up on it.

Sales sheet:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg41%2F3092%2Ff1vo.jpg&hash=c248569d77380cb1428b579c907eb84fd5bf01c1)

:o
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 23, 2013, 05:56:10 AM
Well that looks fantastic.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Nov 23, 2013, 06:05:59 AM
Holy Shit!!  Me want!!!  I hope this includes a lot of the EU material; an encyclopedia of that would be nice and S.D. Perry has done a LOT for the Dark Horse novelizations, it would be a shame if it only contained movie-related memorabilia.  Btw, Cvalda, you should send Corporal Hicks a PM and get this posted in the News Feed, you may even get your name printed as the person who found this.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 23, 2013, 04:30:02 PM
Nice! I'll definitely be sure to pick this up.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 23, 2013, 06:21:54 PM
Woot!

Stephani is one of my favorite voices of the novelizations.  So I'll find a way to pick this up.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2013, 09:47:19 PM
At last I can talk about this.

Danelle contacted me months ago about it and said she was going to ship me a copy when it comes out next year, as she's apparently used a lot of the Timeline website info.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Nov 23, 2013, 09:52:18 PM
That is cool.

SM is bigtime!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 23, 2013, 09:54:40 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2013, 09:47:19 PM
At last I can talk about this.

Danelle contacted me months ago about it and said she was going to ship me a copy when it comes out next year, as she's apparently used a lot of the Timeline website info.
Nice! Anything more you can say about the book?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: shadowedge on Nov 24, 2013, 10:59:01 PM
This looks awesome! Is it available to buy yet?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2013, 11:19:56 PM
QuoteAw man someone's gonna have fun reading through it and seeing how much was from the Anchorpoint Essays.

I'd be disappointed if it wasn't.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Blacklabel on Nov 24, 2013, 11:26:24 PM
Mike Worral's Alien 3 concept art on the cover. Noice.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: DemonicD13 on Nov 25, 2013, 02:51:03 AM
Me want.  ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 25, 2013, 05:47:32 AM
Do we have any sort of ETA or release date for this? The sales sheet doesn't seem to say anything.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Nov 25, 2013, 05:50:03 AM
I checked amazon.com... nothing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Dec 05, 2013, 08:50:09 AM
I liked Stephani's work on Prey which she co-authored with her father Steve

Wasn't so fond of War which she wrote by herself
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 05, 2013, 04:17:10 PM
She also worked on Female War with her dad, Berserker and Labyrinth be herself.  She's much better at banter between characters than her dad is.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2013, 02:03:17 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 05, 2013, 04:17:10 PM
She also worked on Female War with her dad, Berserker and Labyrinth be herself.  She's much better at banter between characters than her dad is.
She also did 'Aliens: Criminal Enterprise' more recently. It's not the best Aliens novel out there, but I still dug it.

I also happened to like it more than her father's solo Predator outing at around the same time.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 06, 2013, 03:51:52 AM
I actually liked that Predator novel as good as any I've read of the standalones.

Still think AvP Prey is the best Predator related material out there concerning the EU.  I know not everybody likes the space samurai idea but I thought it was cool and probably read Prey two dozen times crowing up.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2013, 04:12:40 AM
Did you read 'Predator: South China Sea'? It's pretty kickass and does a good job of making both the humans AND Predator into interesting characters.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 06, 2013, 07:12:27 AM
Naw, I like the Preds but have always been a much bigger fan of the Alien series.  I think I have one or two predator omnibuses I have never looked at.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2013, 12:52:37 PM
South China Sea is a novel, it's not a comic series. If you liked Steve Perry's solo Predator novel, I'd definitely recommend checking out South China Sea. It's hands-down my favorite Predator novel.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 07, 2013, 01:18:07 AM
I know its a novel I remember Hicks praise for it when it came out.

I'm just saying that my pred collection is not like my Alien collection concerning the EU.  I probably have 95% of the Alien EU, and about fifty percent of the pred EU.  Just doesn't interest me as much.  But if I see Predator South China Sea I might pick it up.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 07, 2013, 04:24:51 AM
I was going to offer to buy you a copy off Amazon because used books tend to be dirt-cheap, but apparently it's out of print and prices have subsequently skyrocketed (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1595821406/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1386390204&sr=8-1&keywords=predator+south+china+sea&condition=used).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 07, 2013, 06:01:05 AM
I'm ninja, I'll find it somewhere.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 07, 2013, 01:41:26 PM
Spotted one on eBay for about original retail price (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Predator-South-China-Sea-/181274531913?pt=US_Childrens_Books&hash=item2a34cdd849), although it's not in new condition.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Dec 10, 2013, 03:20:21 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 06, 2013, 03:51:52 AMI know not everybody likes the space samurai idea but I thought it was cool and probably read Prey two dozen times crowing up.

The main predator was a space samurai in the noble savage vein. His students were more like space assholes.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 10, 2013, 03:49:09 AM
Dachande was more the exception than the standard.  Topknot and others were also assholes.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Dec 10, 2013, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 10, 2013, 03:49:09 AM
Dachande was more the exception than the standard.  Topknot and others were also assholes.

Yes...that's why it's false to claim that Prey makes out the whole predator race to be a bunch of noble savages

Dachande has a strong sense of honour, but he's rare. Most predators don't give a sh*t about honour when they can get away with slaughtering whatever they want 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 10, 2013, 01:18:21 PM
You know I never actually looked at 'Prey' that way, and you bring up a REALLY good point.

Going by other EU sources I'd like to believe that they have SOME standards, it just varies from individual to individual or between tribes or whatever.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: happypred on Dec 10, 2013, 03:59:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 10, 2013, 01:18:21 PM
You know I never actually looked at 'Prey' that way, and you bring up a REALLY good point. Going by other EU sources I'd like to believe that they have SOME standards, it just varies from individual to individual or between tribes or whatever.

I'd go so far as to say that it's glaringly obvious if one actually pays attention to how the other predators behave in Prey.

Broken Tusk's students attack a human family. They kill the father, the unarmed mother, and the family's dog. They then try to kill the kid as he escapes on the hover bike. They're clearly not a bunch of "honourable" space samurai. In all likelihood, asshole students remain assholes when they become Blooded. Other predators probably view Broken Tusk as the uptight, "by the book" type. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 10, 2013, 05:01:39 PM
Well its not like samurai were always noble either.  They were such douches when they visited Okinawa that a whole martial art was developed to disarm them from their samurai swords.  (precursor to karate)

Perception is reality.

We perceive samurai as strict code followers that do what they have to in an honorable fashion.  Not people that slaughtered unarmed innocents on Okinawa (and other places).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 11, 2013, 01:38:35 AM
Yeah, the point being that trying to classify the entire race as "honorable" (or saying that's how they "should" be) kind of misses one of the fundamental parts of the Predator creature concept: their individuality. About all we can say about them is "their culture puts a lot of relevance on hunting", but what that actually means varies from tribe to tribe and even individual to individual.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Dec 11, 2013, 02:45:55 AM
Yes, that's why I find it silly when people say "Steve Perry turned the predators into honourable space samurai"

Only one predator could be considered "honourable". The rest were complete douchebags (by human standards). It makes me wonder whether people who claim to dislike Prey for this reason have actually read the book
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2013, 06:32:16 AM
Perry made Predators honourable space samurai not by portraying each one that way, but by making the ones who don't out to be dicks (even by Predator standards). Broken Tusk is the protagonist, he's presented as the ideal Predator in the story, not them. The audience is left seeing him as how a Predator ought to act because he's the freaking good guy.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 11, 2013, 06:54:50 AM
I was gonna say.

Still doesn't really bother me.  I think mainly because I care about the Preds less.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Dec 11, 2013, 07:05:20 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2013, 06:32:16 AMPerry made Predators honourable space samurai not by portraying each one that way, but by making the ones who don't out to be dicks (even by Predator standards).
We don't know that. Maybe they are dicks when measured against the ideal, but it seems that the majority of predators are dicks. Would you still be considered a dick if, say, 90% of the population behaves like you? 

QuoteBroken Tusk is the protagonist, he's presented as the ideal Predator in the story, not them.
Depends on who's judging him. He probably thinks of himself as the ideal hunter/warrior. His students might view him as a pompous, uptight, "do everything by the rules" stiff

QuoteThe audience is left seeing him as how a Predator ought to act because he's the freaking good guy.
But all the other predators in Prey aren't like that.

The predators are only a race of noble space samurai if a large majority of them behave like Broken Tusk. If predator society officially places great value on being honourable and fair but in practice, very few predators actually behave that way, then the predators are not a race of noble space samurai. They are a race of space hypocrites.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2013, 07:41:47 AM
Whether 90% of the Predator population are arseholes, whether Broken Tusk is considered an uptight fogey by Predator society, and whether all the other Predators in the book are different doesn't really matter.

I know that sounds silly, but that's how stories work. The Aliens in Aliens don't actually act like wholly mindless cannon fodder, either, but that's the perception so many people are left with, so that's what people make them. Perry gave us this noble, honourable Predator (or at least, fleshed him out) and he's the Predator character the reader connects with and sees through. It doesn't matter if all of the others are tools: Broken Tusk doesn't like them, so we don't like them. That's the popular image that comes out of reading the book.

Whether it's entirely accurate isn't particularly relevant. Broken Tusk is the "good" Predator, so all "good" Predators -- even the villainous ones -- ought to act like Broken Tusk.

That's how Perry made Predator honourable space samurai. It's the image that sticks.

(EDIT: I'm not actually saying I agree, I'm just explaining how it's entirely justified to say Perry changed the popular perception of the Predator).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Dec 11, 2013, 10:35:54 AM
Then we're not really disagreeing

You can't blame Perry if readers misinterpret his work. By "turn the predators into space samurai", I mean "potray the predators as a race of fair, noble, honourable space samurai". Steve Perry didn't do that.

What Steve Perry did was write a novel susceptible to misinterpretation. Similarly, Cameron's Aliens is susceptible to misinterpretation. The aliens aren't mindless cannon fodder. They might not be as smart as intelligent human beings but they show above-animal intelligence on several occasions (cutting the power, crawling through the ventilation shafts). It's highly debatable whether Kane's son is smarter than the xenomorphs in Aliens
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2013, 10:27:51 PM
But didn't Perry base his Predator on what existed from Randy Stradley?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2013, 11:03:15 PM
Perry took it much further. The comic pretty much left it within the sporting/unsporting "rule" of the original movie.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2013, 11:06:27 PM
Oh right.

Been a long while since I read either the comic or book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 13, 2013, 04:15:37 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 11, 2013, 10:35:54 AM
Then we're not really disagreeing

You can't blame Perry if readers misinterpret his work. By "turn the predators into space samurai", I mean "potray the predators as a race of fair, noble, honourable space samurai". Steve Perry didn't do that.

What Steve Perry did was write a novel susceptible to misinterpretation. Similarly, Cameron's Aliens is susceptible to misinterpretation. The aliens aren't mindless cannon fodder. They might not be as smart as intelligent human beings but they show above-animal intelligence on several occasions (cutting the power, crawling through the ventilation shafts). It's highly debatable whether Kane's son is smarter than the xenomorphs in Aliens
This is a really good point, especially in light of how often 'Aliens' gets misinterpreted as the Aliens being mindless cannon-fodder. I mean yeah I can see where people could get that impression about the Aliens from that movie, but there's a lot of other things going on in that movie that run counter to it that people seemingly forget.

I remember discussions on this very forum where Steve Perry himself defended portraying the Aliens as mindless cannon-fodder in his books. :P
Makes me wonder if anyone ever brought up the very point with him that you're bringing up about Predators not all universally being "honorable space-samurai".
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2013, 08:19:00 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2013, 04:12:40 AM
Did you read 'Predator: South China Sea'? It's pretty kickass and does a good job of making both the humans AND Predator into interesting characters.

Brilliant book. Thoroughly enjoyed SCS. I know I'm a bit late but I'll get this on the front page this evening.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 13, 2013, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 13, 2013, 04:15:37 AM

This is a really good point, especially in light of how often 'Aliens' gets misinterpreted as the Aliens being mindless cannon-fodder. I mean yeah I can see where people could get that impression about the Aliens from that movie, but there's a lot of other things going on in that movie that run counter to it that people seemingly forget.

I remember discussions on this very forum where Steve Perry himself defended portraying the Aliens as mindless cannon-fodder in his books. :P
Makes me wonder if anyone ever brought up the very point with him that you're bringing up about Predators not all universally being "honorable space-samurai".

Probably didn't help when Jim Cameron himself at least once described the alien "as a mindless, chaotic life urge that's out of control".
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 13, 2013, 09:20:49 PM
Can someone tell me if I got this right - is this Weyland Yutani Report thing like a sort of "encyclopedia" regarding the alien?

Also not to nitpick but someone should fix the news article's "Reports" to "Report."
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Powerloader on Dec 13, 2013, 11:04:55 PM
$50 for a book.  :D  A book.  :D  Paper and cardboard. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Dec 13, 2013, 11:07:54 PM
Just when you think people on this site can't say anything dumber ...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Powerloader on Dec 13, 2013, 11:14:28 PM
I suppose you could have it on display when you take eager young Alien fans to your secret dungeon..
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Dec 13, 2013, 11:16:54 PM
Or I could read it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Powerloader on Dec 13, 2013, 11:26:25 PM
Or you could torrent it, then read it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Dec 13, 2013, 11:27:55 PM
Or I could not commit a crime and have a nicely bound book with pretty pictures.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Powerloader on Dec 13, 2013, 11:38:36 PM
AVPGalaxy is giving these guys free advertising.  It's the least they can do.  8)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 13, 2013, 11:45:38 PM
Great, thanks for clearing up my confusion guys. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F--h4eLCX9klE%2FUZHjEBYfY2I%2FAAAAAAAADoo%2FW5bcUQjtXls%2Fs1600%2Fthumb-up-facebook-emoticon-like-symbol.png&hash=7675f3e43cfc9c589e858e303da8dd6c7cf18c12)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Powerloader on Dec 13, 2013, 11:55:06 PM
Encyclopaedia  :laugh: .  Your question is redundant.  That's for wikis or nerds like SiL & SM, who think they know everything.  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Dec 14, 2013, 12:01:11 AM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 13, 2013, 11:45:38 PM
Great, thanks for clearing up my confusion guys. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F--h4eLCX9klE%2FUZHjEBYfY2I%2FAAAAAAAADoo%2FW5bcUQjtXls%2Fs1600%2Fthumb-up-facebook-emoticon-like-symbol.png&hash=7675f3e43cfc9c589e858e303da8dd6c7cf18c12)
We don't know. SM might, because she picked out some stuff from his site. I'm guessing it'll be in the style of the Anchorpoint Essays or the Colonial Marines Technical Manual.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 14, 2013, 12:07:57 AM
Thanks.

Quote from: Powerloader on Dec 13, 2013, 11:55:06 PM
Encyclopaedia  :laugh: .  Your question is redundant.  That's for wikis or nerds like SiL & SM, who think they know everything.  :)

I'm not really sure what you mean or are trying to say, but I had to ask because everyone seemed to be talking about Steve Perry's comic book writing.

And please, enough of the smartass act, you're wasting finger energy neither pissing off nor impressing anyone here.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Powerloader on Dec 14, 2013, 12:44:10 AM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 14, 2013, 12:07:57 AM
Thanks.

Quote from: Powerloader on Dec 13, 2013, 11:55:06 PM
Encyclopaedia  :laugh: .  Your question is redundant.  That's for wikis or nerds like SiL & SM, who think they know everything.  :)

I'm not really sure what you mean or are trying to say, but I had to ask because everyone seemed to be talking about Steve Perry's comic book writing.

And please, enough of the smartass act, you're wasting finger energy neither pissing off nor impressing anyone here.

Enough with the deconstruction act, you're wasting blah blah blah and blah..  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: First Blood on Dec 14, 2013, 12:47:01 AM
Go away.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Powerloader on Dec 14, 2013, 01:04:37 AM
You go away.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Xenomorphine on Dec 14, 2013, 01:19:52 AM
How about we all adhere to the rules and be respectful towards fellow members?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 14, 2013, 05:53:29 PM
I'll find a way to budget this in. Should be a fun read like Colonial Marines Tech Manual. Although that got very detailed at times and got rather dull to me but I liked it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Razz on Dec 14, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
May have to pick this up at some point, I'll keep an eye out for this for sure.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 14, 2013, 09:47:20 PM
I like it that they excluded AVP from this book  ;D  ...Kind of weird though considering that Steve Perry is the author (why him? He sees Aliens as space-bug rottweiler zombies meant for target practice). I have really mixed feelings about this book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Dec 14, 2013, 09:57:46 PM
His daughter's writing it, not him.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 14, 2013, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 14, 2013, 09:57:46 PM
His daughter's writing it, not him.

Much better  :)

Even though Berserker is pretty crappy.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 14, 2013, 10:23:01 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 14, 2013, 09:47:20 PM
I like it that they excluded AVP from this book  ;D 
I must have missed where they said that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 14, 2013, 11:32:47 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 14, 2013, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 14, 2013, 09:57:46 PM
His daughter's writing it, not him.

Much better  :)

Even though Berserker is pretty crappy.

Negatron!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 14, 2013, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 14, 2013, 11:32:47 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 14, 2013, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 14, 2013, 09:57:46 PM
His daughter's writing it, not him.

Much better  :)

Even though Berserker is pretty crappy.

Negatron!

Sorry but it is. It's funny, part hilarious and sometimes quite entertaining, but it is utterly gung ho & stupid, and the Xenos are exactly the super weak cannon fodder I don't like.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 14, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
I don't disagree with the Aliens being overpowered, but Perry actually made the characters interesting.  A far cry from the comics.

Not saying they are deep, just that they are believable.  Barracks behavior from combat arms soldiers that want to go kill stuff sounds remarkably similar.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 14, 2013, 11:56:53 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 14, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
I don't disagree with the Aliens being overpowered, but Perry actually made the characters interesting.  A far cry from the comics.

You mean underpowered, right?

QuoteNot saying they are deep, just that they are believable.  Barracks behavior from combat arms soldiers that want to go kill stuff sounds remarkably similar.

Meh... Maybe. I just have really low tolerance with that stuff
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Dec 15, 2013, 02:49:33 AM
I like Berserker. One of my favourites of the novels.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2013, 04:45:26 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 14, 2013, 11:56:53 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 14, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
I don't disagree with the Aliens being overpowered, but Perry actually made the characters interesting.  A far cry from the comics.

You mean underpowered, right?

QuoteNot saying they are deep, just that they are believable.  Barracks behavior from combat arms soldiers that want to go kill stuff sounds remarkably similar.

Meh... Maybe. I just have really low tolerance with that stuff

I did mean underpowered.  But Berserker happens at a time in the universe when humanity has been killing the Aliens for years.  It should be easier fighting that kind of enemy (one that never adjust strategies and has the same capabilities) over time.

Bravado is real.  Maybe in some rear echelon support units it wouldn't be as bad but it is unbelievable how much conventional combat arms units talk shit.  We talk shit about each other, about each others mommas, about each others sisters (daughters are off limits), about other combat arms units (infantry is incapable of maneuvering without artillery support-which infantry claims to never use).  I suppose being put in position where you could potentially die every time a truck pulls up to your checkpoint brings out the hyper male in all of us. 


Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: dachande89 on Dec 16, 2013, 06:13:20 AM
Well who is to say they never change tactics? In Aliens they cut the power and did learn to avoid sentry turrets... although after many died. They really need to get back to the roots of these creatures being adaptive. Less zombie fodder like others have said.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 06:16:32 AM
There is only so many ways an enemy that has to physically touch you to kill you can get to you.  Thus their tactics are limited.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 09:13:40 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 06:16:32 AM
There is only so many ways an enemy that has to physically touch you to kill you can get to you.  Thus their tactics are limited.
In other words, aliens don't have the benefit of technology and human intelligence

They're like Jurassic Park raptors but deadlier (acid blood, armoured exoskeleton, bladed tail)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 08:20:54 PM
Indeed.  You know at the very least the Alien is going to have to get close to you to do damage.

So YOU can modify YOUR tactics in dealing with them (I'd put an infantry unit out in the open and just use close air support all day on such a threat), but eventually whatever tactics they use to get close you know they are a limited opponent.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 16, 2013, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 08:20:54 PM
Indeed.  You know at the very least the Alien is going to have to get close to you to do damage.

So YOU can modify YOUR tactics in dealing with them (I'd put an infantry unit out in the open and just use close air support all day on such a threat), but eventually whatever tactics they use to get close you know they are a limited opponent.
I like the idea of Acid-Proof armor suits like those in Aliens: Genocide.

I wonder how much material they'll pull from the CM Tech Manual...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
Whats bad is that we have already pretty much surpassed the Colonial Marines in terms of on the ground technology.  Sure they have stealth tanks and what have you but in other areas we have already surpassed them.

That far in the future they are probably rocking combat suits powered by exoskeletons and have HUDs that show troop and enemy movements and let them see in different visual spectrums, etc.

That landwarrior project that was almost but no quite cancelled allows a unit to see a map in their eyepiece and is updated as the troops clear buildings within the map.  That tech will be perfected in the future.  Likewise they are already working on exoskeletons for supply purposes (cough bullshit cough) to help lessen the burden on the trooper. 

If you look at some of the stuff DARPA is working on it is downright crazy.  Soldiers with telekinetic powers, the ability to regenerate lost limbs, don't need sleep etc.

One day we might be biomechanical hardasses ourselves.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 17, 2013, 03:57:54 PM
Anyone have any idea if this book will be released in the UK?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Dec 17, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Same time it's released everywhere else I'd imagine.

;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 18, 2013, 06:10:44 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
If you look at some of the stuff DARPA is working on it is downright crazy.  Soldiers with telekinetic powers, the ability to regenerate lost limbs, don't need sleep etc.
I think you're going to have to elaborate on this one.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 18, 2013, 07:52:02 AM
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/05/pentagon-preps-soldier-telepathy-push/ (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/05/pentagon-preps-soldier-telepathy-push/)

I read an article somewhere that had all the rest of that stuff in there but I can't find it anymore.  Darpa DOES have the mad scientist wing, whether its every successful or not.....

Truthfully I think that humanity will be modified through cybernetics and technology more than it will be bioengineered simply because we've already shown that capacity with prosthetics reacting to brain waves, exoskeletons in development, land warrior etc.  I also don't think people will voluntarily be modified by something they can't "undo".  I can't imagine a surgery or a technique that makes you psychic is somehow reversible. 

But who knows.  We'll find out soon enough.  If we don't kill each other off the next thirty years are so should be exciting times.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Dec 18, 2013, 10:14:56 PM
The only way we might die off is if we turn into hipsters who cue up for the latest gadget and stampede each other when the doors open.  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 18, 2013, 10:48:28 PM
I think if we can make it into space and get some returns from our exploration the world will be more peaceful.  People still fighting over resources when resources beyond the planet are infinite.  Somebody just has to take that first step.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2013, 08:29:46 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 18, 2013, 10:48:28 PMPeople still fighting over resources when resources beyond the planet are infinite.
That's simplifying it a little... You still have to get to those resources, harvest them, process them, and somehow get them back to Earth. Far quicker easier to just knock seven shades of shit out of each other down here...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2013, 07:06:53 PM
I know.  Obviously huge resource are going to have to be spent.  But eventually people will be fighting for scraps with no chance of getting off planet.

Better to work on the issue NOW while there is still a chance for self correction.  Its going to be a sad day when we have to rely on corporations for sustainable energy as they are the only ones with any plans for offworld travel at the moment.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 20, 2013, 06:02:46 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2013, 07:06:53 PM
I know.  Obviously huge resource are going to have to be spent.  But eventually people will be fighting for scraps with no chance of getting off planet.

Better to work on the issue NOW while there is still a chance for self correction.  Its going to be a sad day when we have to rely on corporations for sustainable energy as they are the only ones with any plans for offworld travel at the moment.
The problem I see, besides global economic turmoil and civil unrest, is that once you start having corporations begin space exploration, you run the risk of an Elysium-style reality.
The biggest problem behind the idea of living in/exploring/exploiting space is the immense expense it is to fund the technology and engineer Star Trek /Star Wars/ Mass Effect vehicles capable of reducing space travel time, which is another problem all in itself. As much fun as it is to sci-fi folks like myself, I honestly do not see mankind seriously investing itself in space when there's still just as many untapped resources and mysteries to solve here on earth. Just throwing in my 2 cents.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Dec 20, 2013, 06:08:56 AM
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 20, 2013, 06:11:19 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2013, 06:08:56 AM
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Because the government
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Jul 02, 2014, 03:01:40 AM
Insight Editions has announced their plans for SDCC, and we'll be getting a look at the W-Y Report, or at least the cover.

QuoteIn addition, Insight will also be offering a first look to Comic-Con attendees of the sculpted cover for the upcoming Alien: The Weyland-Yutani Report: Collectors' Edition, and the Game of Thrones Astrolabe.

http://sdccblog.com/2014/06/insight-editions-announces-sdcc-2014-plans/ (http://sdccblog.com/2014/06/insight-editions-announces-sdcc-2014-plans/)

Also, even though it's a bit hard to find, the Insight Editions site has a release date of September 2014 for the book.

http://focus.insighteditions.com/foreign_rights_filmtelevision#.U7NzQ4m9Kc0 (http://focus.insighteditions.com/foreign_rights_filmtelevision#.U7NzQ4m9Kc0)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2014, 09:29:35 AM
We've already seen the cover.  :-\
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 02, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
I imagine that the "Collectors' Edition" might have a different cover.

The big question is, will it be signed by SM?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Jul 02, 2014, 04:40:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2014, 09:29:35 AM
We've already seen the cover.  :-\

It's definitely disappointing to hear we probably won't be getting an inside look. The Insight Editions site has a very small pic of what I assume is the Collector's Edition cover, featuring the chair suit Engineer from Priometheus.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffocus.insighteditions.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2FALIEN_FRNKFRT_090513-1-150x150.png&hash=4ce3ccef0359bf10aa8c8eb2d5a5f18d7578eed1)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Jul 02, 2014, 07:24:41 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 02, 2014, 04:40:22 PM
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Space Tapir lives.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2014, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 02, 2014, 02:17:35 PM
I imagine that the "Collectors' Edition" might have a different cover.

The big question is, will it be signed by SM?

If you'd want to instantly devalue it, sure.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 02, 2014, 10:01:27 PM
On the contrary, I honestly think it would increase the value. Assuming AVP Galaxy gets a few complementary copies to give away to forum members (as they often do) would you consider signing them? If shipping costs between the UK and Aus isn't too high of course.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2014, 10:08:30 PM
You're very kind, but I think the shipping would make it a teensy bit prohibitive.

To say nothing of the fact that I didn't write the book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 02, 2014, 10:17:01 PM
Contribution via website info is still a contribution. But yeah, you're probably right about the shipping costs.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: episodenone on Jul 03, 2014, 04:00:42 PM
looks amazing
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Extroheal on Jul 24, 2014, 04:31:01 AM
This book is supposed to have detailed information on the alien life cycle. Does anyone know if it's going to have information on egg morphing, the alien castes from Colonial Marines or an explanation of the smooth-head/ridge-head variations?

It would be worth buying for any one of those things.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jul 24, 2014, 04:43:04 AM
QuoteDoes anyone know if it's going to have information on egg morphing, the alien castes from Colonial Marines or an explanation of the smooth-head/ridge-head variations?

Yes, I do know.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 24, 2014, 04:44:30 AM
lol


This book is really just gamegossip avpforums the abbreviated version if it has all that in there. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Jul 24, 2014, 05:49:37 AM
not sure if should cancel preorder
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jul 24, 2014, 06:17:31 AM
Apropos of what?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Jul 24, 2014, 10:11:28 AM
I hope the last section of this book is about Wolf and how he's the aliens' daddy 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Jul 24, 2014, 10:28:36 AM
LOL, happypred.

Looking forward for that book....and cover.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Jul 26, 2014, 07:17:48 PM
http://www.insightcollectibles.com/ (http://www.insightcollectibles.com/)

$325?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2014, 07:59:21 PM
That's just for that fancy edition.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Extroheal on Jul 27, 2014, 11:32:25 AM
Do we know when this book is coming out?

http://focus.insighteditions.com/foreign_rights_filmtelevision#.U9TiW1N0Z8E (http://focus.insighteditions.com/foreign_rights_filmtelevision#.U9TiW1N0Z8E)
This site says September.

http://www.insightcollectibles.com/ (http://www.insightcollectibles.com/)
This site says December.

Both of these sites are talking about the collector's edition. Will the regular edition come out sooner?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Jul 27, 2014, 07:12:46 PM

Diamond Comics has the est. shipping date for the trade edition ($50.00) as Oct. 1st and the ART of ALIEN Isolation (34.95) est.  shipping date as Oct. 8th
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jul 27, 2014, 10:01:14 PM
September/ October is more likely than December.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Extroheal on Jul 28, 2014, 05:07:19 AM
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Jul 27, 2014, 07:12:46 PM

Diamond Comics has the est. shipping date for the trade edition ($50.00) as Oct. 1st and the ART of ALIEN Isolation (34.95) est.  shipping date as Oct. 8th

Where are you getting this information from?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Jul 28, 2014, 05:12:23 AM
Darwinsgirl works for a book retailer, if I remember correctly?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2014, 08:07:58 AM
She does.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Jul 29, 2014, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Jul 28, 2014, 05:12:23 AM
Darwinsgirl works for a book retailer, if I remember correctly?

I am one for over 40 years......... :)  Time flies when you do what you love.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2014, 11:11:21 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2013, 09:47:19 PM
At last I can talk about this.

Danelle contacted me months ago about it and said she was going to ship me a copy when it comes out next year, as she's apparently used a lot of the Timeline website info.

Can we consider this the SMTM?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2014, 11:17:41 PM
I didn't write it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
Didn't you consult?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 12:45:08 AM
Teensy bit of difference.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 01:50:56 AM
What's wrong with being some kind of a consultant?  Apparently, you saw the Alien movies once (or more)...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 01:59:27 AM
Whoopy f**king do.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 02:28:45 AM
Have you not read it cover to cover already?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 02:32:36 AM
I've read a couple of versions for the purpose of 'fact checking'.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 02:33:51 AM
Then is it fair to say that the published version will have undergone the rigorous process of SMization and is therefore canon?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 02:40:37 AM
If you inseest, señor.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 02:43:15 AM
Therefore SMTM.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 07, 2014, 03:03:28 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 02:33:51 AM
Then is it fair to say that the published version will have undergone the rigorous process of SMization and is therefore canon?
It'd have been canon regardless. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 03:05:04 AM
Isn't that, like, just your opinion, man?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 07, 2014, 03:06:08 AM
Mine and likely the opinion of FOX, yes.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 03:13:36 AM
Their opinion is moo.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 07, 2014, 03:14:19 AM
Isn't that, like, your opinion, man?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 03:21:18 AM
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 07, 2014, 03:27:46 AM
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Aug 07, 2014, 04:12:34 AM
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Extroheal on Aug 07, 2014, 07:34:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 02:32:36 AM
I've read a couple of versions for the purpose of 'fact checking'.
Could you tell me if the book makes a distinction between smooth-headed aliens and ridge-headed and what these aliens are called in the book?

I'm having an argument on about this topic on Xenopedia, but the argument has stalled because the admins want to wait until the Weyland-Yutani Report is published, to see what it says before making any major changes.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 08:31:41 AM
Fox implant in my head goes off if I spill.

What are the two sides of the argument?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Extroheal on Aug 07, 2014, 09:54:03 AM
I'm trying to convince them that smooth-headed aliens should be called Lurkers and ridge-headed aliens should be called Soldiers, as per Aliens: Colonial Marines.

Xenopedia currently labels smooth-headed aliens as Drones and ridge-headed aliens as Warriors. Lurkers are considered to be a separate caste.

I'm arguing that the terms Drone and Warrior are both ambiguous. Drone has been used to describe both smooth-headed aliens (AVP: Evolution) and ridge-headed aliens (Aliens versus Predator 2, various novels). Warrior has been used to describe both smooth-headed aliens (Aliens vs Predator 2010, AVP: Evolution, various action figures) and ridge-headed aliens (Aliens versus Predator: Extinction, Aliens vs Predator 2010, AVP Evolution, various action figures).


http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Drone#Smooth-headed_aliens_are_NOT_Drones (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Drone#Smooth-headed_aliens_are_NOT_Drones)

Here's the whole thing if you want to read it. My username is NetSpiker and my opponent is Toa Quarax.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 07, 2014, 11:59:37 AM
They're just labels, call them whatever you want.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 07, 2014, 12:40:23 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 08:31:41 AM
Fox implant in my head goes off if I spill.

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2903248128/hF83355BE/)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 07, 2014, 11:59:37 AM
They're just labels, call them whatever you want.

That's very laid back of you.

Quote from: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 08:31:41 AM
Fox implant in my head goes off if I spill.

What are the two sides of the argument?

How soon will be you at liberty to discuss the contents of the SMTM?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 10:10:25 PM
When the book's out.  By which stage it won't really matter.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 08, 2014, 03:45:12 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2014, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 07, 2014, 11:59:37 AM
They're just labels, call them whatever you want.

That's very laid back of you.
The Dude abides.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 05:12:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 07, 2014, 10:10:25 PMWhen the book's out.  By which stage it won't really matter.

It's inevitable that we will have questions.  Will you be available to answer them or will you allow your new fame to change you?

Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 08, 2014, 03:45:12 AM
The Dude abides.

Sometimes the bear eats you.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2014, 05:32:51 AM
Oh don't worry, I'll release reams of correspondence discussing how Ripley managed to take maternity leave 7 years after Amanda was born...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 05:41:23 AM
Does it contradict any of the mistakes in the CMTM?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Aug 08, 2014, 05:45:19 AM
So.. I'm guessing SM is now an Authority for all things Alien-Predator?  :-\
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2014, 05:46:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 05:41:23 AM
Does it contradict any of the mistakes in the CMTM?

Now, that'd be telling.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 06:30:03 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 08, 2014, 05:45:19 AM
So.. I'm guessing SM is now an Authority for all things Alien-Predator now?  :-\

"now?"

Quote from: SM on Aug 08, 2014, 05:46:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 05:41:23 AM
Does it contradict any of the mistakes in the CMTM?

Now, that'd be telling.

Tease.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Aug 08, 2014, 06:40:56 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 06:30:03 AM
"now?"

Typo on my part for making double usage of the word.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 06:44:10 AM
That's not what I meant.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Aug 08, 2014, 06:44:50 AM
This ping pong match of bitchery is great :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 08, 2014, 11:54:31 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 08, 2014, 05:46:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 05:41:23 AM
Does it contradict any of the mistakes in the CMTM?

Now, that'd be telling.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1028.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy347%2FTheEighthPassenger%2Fgestapo_cat_zpsb7466849.jpg&hash=14ba43fa1457a289c128902ab00ceb60da2970f5)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Aug 08, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
Guyz, just wait until the book is out. No use to empty already now the flamethrower  ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 08, 2014, 03:35:03 PM
Not gonna lie, Local Trouble's incessant fellating of SM is a little bit nauseating, and SM's responses have made it clear to me at least that he's trying to be humble about his contributions to the book.

Not like this is the first time an "official" source has used something SM made, anyway. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 08, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
Xenomrph are you not also technically a contributor to this book? Assuming S.D Perry used info from the EU timeline?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 08, 2014, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 08, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
Xenomrph are you not also technically a contributor to this book? Assuming S.D Perry used info from the EU timeline?
Technically yes, although I wasn't consulted directly by S.D. Perry like SM was.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 10:03:01 PM
How did you contribute?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 09, 2014, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: locusta on Aug 08, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
Guyz, just wait until the book is out. No use to empty already now the flamethrower  ;)

Locusta knows what's up. ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2014, 01:25:13 AM
Alright, alright, alright.  I suppose I can wait.  I'll guess stop trying to, er, suck the details out of SM for now.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 09, 2014, 02:40:26 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2014, 10:03:01 PM
How did you contribute?
If S.D. Perry cited the EU timeline from SM's website, he and I co-wrote it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2014, 02:48:15 AM
That must have been an interesting collaboration.  :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 09, 2014, 02:57:38 AM
It was a long time ago. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2014, 03:27:21 AM
Did you help with the banned histories section?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 09, 2014, 04:28:42 PM
Yes, that's what we co-wrote.

He's still got my name spelled wrong on his site, but that's okay. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2014, 11:30:34 PM
Is anyone else having trouble finding this book on Amazon?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Aug 19, 2014, 11:34:03 PM
Yup. No preorder listings yet on US or UK Amazon.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2014, 11:47:12 PM
The SMTM is being suppressed!  >:(
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2014, 12:18:34 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcelebritiesdailynews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2Fnew-promo-for-teen-wolf-season-4-reveals-creepy-villains.jpg&hash=b87e8ce8a79d77009861a5769bdcc9a58fbfa487)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2014, 02:01:55 AM
How can I help?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Aug 29, 2014, 11:24:26 AM
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/alien-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-insight-collectibles-902252/ (http://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/alien-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-insight-collectibles-902252/)

;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 11:36:22 AM
I guess it got announced then.  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 29, 2014, 11:38:43 AM
No way I'm paying that much for it, but that is a pretty cool cover.

I hope the standard edition is more reasonable.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Aug 29, 2014, 12:22:27 PM
Standard is 50 bugs  ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 29, 2014, 01:02:36 PM
Easily affordable for Fiorina citizens then.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 29, 2014, 01:08:51 PM
I 'ATE BUGS!!!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Aug 29, 2014, 01:14:47 PM
 :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 29, 2014, 01:21:25 PM
Eh... what's up doc?




And some interesting stuff in the book:

Quote• 160 pages plus a stunning gatefold featuring a jaw-dropping original
illustration of the Sulaco ship from Aliens
• 20 insert items that bring to life key moments from the Alien movies
• Features material from Prometheus,  Alien,  Aliens,  Alien 3, and Alien
Resurrection  and is one of the first books to bring the worlds of
Prometheus  and the Alien  films together
• Amazing new narrative that sees the sinister Weyland-Yutani Corporation
explore the secrets of the Xenomorph
• Contains over 30 original illustrations by Xenomorph expert Markus
Pansegrau, who has painstakingly recreated each version of the creature
seen in the movies with stunning digital art
• Contains 10 illustrations by Alien tech expert John R. Mullaney, including
cutaways of the Dropship and APC, and uniquely detailed renderings of
the ships Nostromo and Sulaco and iconic weapons such as the Pulse
Rifle and Smart Gun.

The book also features a wealth of inserts and removable items, including:
• Pvt. Hudson's discharge papers
• Veterinarian report on Jonesy the cat
• Medical report on facehugger victim Marachuk, John J.
• Carter J. Burke's communication card
• Chest X-ray showing Xenomorph implantation
• Signed certificate of canonicity by Middlebrook S.
• Bug Stomper Dropship sticker
• Exclusive extracts from prisoner Morse's tell-all novel, Space Beast
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 29, 2014, 01:23:35 PM
Quote• Veterinarian report on Jonesy the cat

:D Well I simply must have that!

Any idea how much of that (if any) is exclusive to the Collector's Edition?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 29, 2014, 01:30:13 PM
Multiple specimens of parasitiformes found on subject Jones including Acarina, Siphonaptera and Ctenocephalides felis.

Recommend prescription of Lufenuron and Methoprene.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 29, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 11:36:22 AM
I guess it got announced then.  :)

Thought we'd already seen this?

Can't say I'm willing to shell out for that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Aug 29, 2014, 03:37:38 PM

I'm wondering what material is used for the sculpted cover?   

The price is more than I can afford. :P 

I'm guessing the trade edition will be like an upgraded version of ALIEN Vault with slipcase...sans scuplting.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Aug 29, 2014, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 29, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 11:36:22 AM
I guess it got announced then.  :)

Thought we'd already seen this?

Can't say I'm willing to shell out for that.

Still hope You give it a shot ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 29, 2014, 04:19:48 PM
^
Well, give the man a round of applause!  ;)


Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Aug 29, 2014, 03:37:38 PM

I'm wondering what material is used for the sculpted cover?   


Looks like some sort of secreted resin.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Aug 29, 2014, 07:36:19 PM

:D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 29, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 11:36:22 AM
I guess it got announced then.  :)

Thought we'd already seen this?

Can't say I'm willing to shell out for that.

When Cvalda and Local Trouble said it wasn't on Amazon, I contacted Insight and they said it was going to go through Sideshow - but I wasn't at liberty to mention it.

$325 is steep.  But it sure look purty.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Aug 29, 2014, 09:51:18 PM
$325 isn't steep.

$325 is a straight vertical drop into a cash abyss.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 09:59:14 PM
Hicks always gets freebies anyway.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Aug 29, 2014, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Aug 29, 2014, 09:51:18 PM
$325 isn't steep.

$325 is a straight vertical drop into a cash abyss.


I liked the installment payment option: "Payment options as low as $73.13 a month."  :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Aug 30, 2014, 08:05:44 AM
I will not forget the fanbase. A bit patients and let's see until December  ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 30, 2014, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 29, 2014, 01:21:25 PM
Eh... what's up doc?




And some interesting stuff in the book:

Quote• 160 pages plus a stunning gatefold featuring a jaw-dropping original
illustration of the Sulaco ship from Aliens
• 20 insert items that bring to life key moments from the Alien movies
• Features material from Prometheus,  Alien,  Aliens,  Alien 3, and Alien
Resurrection  and is one of the first books to bring the worlds of
Prometheus  and the Alien  films together
• Amazing new narrative that sees the sinister Weyland-Yutani Corporation
explore the secrets of the Xenomorph
• Contains over 30 original illustrations by Xenomorph expert Markus
Pansegrau, who has painstakingly recreated each version of the creature
seen in the movies with stunning digital art
• Contains 10 illustrations by Alien tech expert John R. Mullaney, including
cutaways of the Dropship and APC, and uniquely detailed renderings of
the ships Nostromo and Sulaco and iconic weapons such as the Pulse
Rifle and Smart Gun.

The book also features a wealth of inserts and removable items, including:
• Pvt. Hudson's discharge papers
• Veterinarian report on Jonesy the cat
• Medical report on facehugger victim Marachuk, John J.
• Carter J. Burke's communication card
• Chest X-ray showing Xenomorph implantation
• Signed certificate of canonicity by Middlebrook S.
• Bug Stomper Dropship sticker
• Exclusive extracts from prisoner Morse's tell-all novel, Space Beast
Got a source for all of that? A bunch of that is pretty questionable, especially "• Signed certificate of canonicity by Middlebrook S." :P
And Morse's novel was 'The Dragon' - Space Beast would be an odd choice for a title, especially when the original script draft's title was Star Beast.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Elmazalman on Aug 30, 2014, 07:25:29 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 29, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 11:36:22 AM
I guess it got announced then.  :)

Thought we'd already seen this?

Can't say I'm willing to shell out for that.

When Cvalda and Local Trouble said it wasn't on Amazon, I contacted Insight and they said it was going to go through Sideshow - but I wasn't at liberty to mention it.

$325 is steep.  But it sure look purty.
You get a small percentage from each sale?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Quarax on Aug 31, 2014, 01:52:55 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 30, 2014, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 29, 2014, 01:21:25 PM
Eh... what's up doc?




And some interesting stuff in the book:

Quote• 160 pages plus a stunning gatefold featuring a jaw-dropping original
illustration of the Sulaco ship from Aliens
• 20 insert items that bring to life key moments from the Alien movies
• Features material from Prometheus,  Alien,  Aliens,  Alien 3, and Alien
Resurrection  and is one of the first books to bring the worlds of
Prometheus  and the Alien  films together
• Amazing new narrative that sees the sinister Weyland-Yutani Corporation
explore the secrets of the Xenomorph
• Contains over 30 original illustrations by Xenomorph expert Markus
Pansegrau, who has painstakingly recreated each version of the creature
seen in the movies with stunning digital art
• Contains 10 illustrations by Alien tech expert John R. Mullaney, including
cutaways of the Dropship and APC, and uniquely detailed renderings of
the ships Nostromo and Sulaco and iconic weapons such as the Pulse
Rifle and Smart Gun.

The book also features a wealth of inserts and removable items, including:
• Pvt. Hudson's discharge papers
• Veterinarian report on Jonesy the cat
• Medical report on facehugger victim Marachuk, John J.
• Carter J. Burke's communication card
• Chest X-ray showing Xenomorph implantation
• Signed certificate of canonicity by Middlebrook S.
• Bug Stomper Dropship sticker
• Exclusive extracts from prisoner Morse's tell-all novel, Space Beast
Got a source for all of that? A bunch of that is pretty questionable, especially "• Signed certificate of canonicity by Middlebrook S." :P
And Morse's novel was 'The Dragon' - Space Beast would be an odd choice for a title, especially when the original script draft's title was Star Beast.

Minus the certificate: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/alien-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-insight-collectibles-902252/ (http://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/alien-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-insight-collectibles-902252/)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 31, 2014, 12:09:06 PM
Yeah, the certificate is an additional $875 optional extra.

Whoever the hell that Middlebrook, S. person is, he/she ain't cheap that's for sure.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 31, 2014, 08:31:44 PM
I can do it on installments.

But never mind that - cover by one of AvPGs finest AND Boba Fett.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 01, 2014, 06:32:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 31, 2014, 08:31:44 PM
I can do it on installments.

But never mind that - cover by one of AvPGs finest AND Boba Fett.

Cheers mate. But content will beat the cover, at least I hope so :D LOL
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 07:04:26 AM
Oh, it will.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 01, 2014, 07:21:16 AM
Quote from: locusta on Aug 30, 2014, 08:05:44 AM
I will not forget the fanbase. A bit patients and let's see until December  ;)

I have a feeling you had something to do with this too?  :P Did you work on the standard cover or this one?

Quote from: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 09:59:14 PM
Hicks always gets freebies anyway.

Not always. Never received a reply when I branched out to Insight. And S.D isn't very fast when it comes to replying to e-mails. I asked if she'd got a picture to go along with our interview ages ago and she's yet to reply. I'll poke her again.

I'll definitely pick up a standard edition.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2014, 07:30:19 AM
Anyone know if any of the features listed in those bullet points will be exclusive to the Collector's Edition? Or will they all be in the standard edition too?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 01, 2014, 08:04:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 01, 2014, 07:21:16 AM
Quote from: locusta on Aug 30, 2014, 08:05:44 AM
I will not forget the fanbase. A bit patients and let's see until December  ;)

I have a feeling you had something to do with this too?  :P Did you work on the standard cover or this one?

Quote from: SM on Aug 29, 2014, 09:59:14 PM
Hicks always gets freebies anyway.
Not always. Never received a reply when I branched out to them. And S.D isn't very fast when it comes to replying to e-mails. I asked if she'd got a picture to go along with our interview ages ago and she's yet to reply. xD

I'll definitely pick up a standard edition.

Well, I guessed all what is listed at the specs over at Sideshow would finally release me from NDA :D

Not only the cover is mine ;)

And I guess the Standard edition will be a very, very good buy as well.

As for freebies, please read the comment I stated a page before. ;)

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 08:11:13 AM
I don't believe the special edition will have extra content - though perhaps the inserts may be differently formatted or presented.  Don't know for certain.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 01, 2014, 12:21:11 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 31, 2014, 08:31:44 PM
I can do it on installments.

That's very sporting of you ol' chap! Do you accept Afghan Afghani's, Zimbabwean Dollars or Coke bottle caps?

Quote from: locusta on Sep 01, 2014, 08:04:21 AM
the cover is mine ;)

Lovely job on the cover Mr. Grasshopper!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 01, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
The thing I'm most excited for out of this...Morse. I really want to see what Danelle has done for that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2014, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 08:11:13 AMI don't believe the special edition will have extra content - though perhaps the inserts may be differently formatted or presented.  Don't know for certain.

Thanks, hopefully you're right. I love the sound of some of that stuff but I can't justify shelling out so much for the bumper edition.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 01, 2014, 12:32:37 PMThe thing I'm most excited for out of this...Morse. I really want to see what Danelle has done for that.

Same, interested to see what they've come up with for him! The medical report on John Marachek caught my eye too, always wanted to hear more about him.
Title: Re: The Weyland-Yutani Report Collectors' Edition
Post by: locusta on Sep 01, 2014, 12:55:07 PM
Yeah, guys. The ultimate Fanboy work!

Here you got it! :D

Let the flame war begin.

Ah, just kidding. At least it was fun to work on and I still can´t believe how I have done it. (Still suffer from sleep deprivation) :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 01, 2014, 03:05:12 PM
AHHHHH you worked on it!  Haven't read any earlier comments and didn't know.  I was literally thinking this "Xenomorph expert" Markus ain't got nothing on Locusta.  :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Sep 01, 2014, 03:59:54 PM
Quote• Veterinarian report on Jonesy the cat

The. Cat's. Name. Is. JONES!  >:(
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 01, 2014, 04:09:21 PM
a.k.a "Kitty Crap" or "Little Shit-head".
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 01, 2014, 03:59:54 PM
Quote• Veterinarian report on Jonesy the cat

The. Cat's. Name. Is. JONES!  >:(

MISTER Jones to you.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Sep 01, 2014, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 01, 2014, 03:59:54 PM
Quote• Veterinarian report on Jonesy the cat

The. Cat's. Name. Is. JONES!  >:(

MISTER Jones to you.

Actually, I'm not sure if you're playing the 'Legendary Encounters' Alien game, but if you are, you might be amused to hear my son and I have taken to calling him 'Dr. Jones'.  ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: windebieste on Sep 01, 2014, 10:27:15 PM
Congratulations to both locusta and SM for their contributions to this book.  It looks awesome.

I'm looking forward to this item being released and seeing both your contributions permanently committed to print in such a definitive tome.  I expect we'll see some extraordinary content by locusta and I also expect SM will be the pedantic 'little shithead' ;) for detail we have all come to appreciate and love.  Good for us all, I say.

I expect so much from this volume and my anticipations for this one were not only high to start with but have since now been elevated.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 10:47:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 01, 2014, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 01, 2014, 03:59:54 PM
Quote• Veterinarian report on Jonesy the cat

The. Cat's. Name. Is. JONES!  >:(

MISTER Jones to you.

Actually, I'm not sure if you're playing the 'Legendary Encounters' Alien game, but if you are, you might be amused to hear my son and I have taken to calling him 'Dr. Jones'.  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1jPUB7gRyg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1jPUB7gRyg)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Sep 01, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 10:47:29 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 01, 2014, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 01, 2014, 03:59:54 PM
Quote• Veterinarian report on Jonesy the cat

The. Cat's. Name. Is. JONES!  >:(

MISTER Jones to you.

Actually, I'm not sure if you're playing the 'Legendary Encounters' Alien game, but if you are, you might be amused to hear my son and I have taken to calling him 'Dr. Jones'.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1jPUB7gRyg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1jPUB7gRyg)

"The user has not made this video viewable in your country."  :(

That aside, congrats to you and locusta! I'll be looking forward to reading your contributions, and cringing to see the name 'Jonesy' on an official form.  :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 01, 2014, 11:21:22 PM
My "contributions" are virtually non-existant.

Locusta on the other hand...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 02, 2014, 12:31:13 AM
Fantastic cover! If I had an extra 325 to spend on a book it would be on this one, but I will have to wait for the standard edition.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 02, 2014, 05:34:52 AM
We still don't have any listings anywhere for the standard edition, do we?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2014, 05:40:38 AM
Doesn't look like. Nothing on Amazon.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 02, 2014, 06:03:31 AM
dear sm and locusta



why is the book so expensive


signed

/poorfag
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 06:05:59 AM
dear /poorfag

don't look at me.  locusta don't come cheap.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 02, 2014, 06:07:06 AM
Dear SM

I will pay the amount listed if you decaonize ACM


your friend

/poorfag
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 06:13:15 AM
Make it rain and I think about it.


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2014, 05:40:38 AM
Doesn't look like. Nothing on Amazon.

Assuming there will be a standard edition.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2014, 07:16:18 AM
I doubt they'll be shifting many if that's the case - I'm sure this is too expensive for most.

I've tried getting in touch with Insight again to get some info.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 02, 2014, 07:37:21 AM
The fact this is the "Collector's Edition" implies there will be a standard edition to go along with it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: sd perry on Sep 02, 2014, 07:40:33 AM
Wow! 325? That's crazy expensive! I mean, it's a cool book, but dang!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 02, 2014, 07:42:28 AM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

SD Perry is here? Is this legit or someone masquerading as SD Perry?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2014, 07:43:13 AM
I'm checking with her. She used to be registered here years ago.

I spoke to her yesterday so it's possible she swinging by.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: sd perry on Sep 02, 2014, 07:45:35 AM
Plus, I'm sorry about being so flaky, Corporal. Please don't wait on me for anything, My picture is not worth waiting for. :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: sd perry on Sep 02, 2014, 07:50:47 AM
I seriously can't imagine anyone pretending to be me, for any reason. Totally flattering, though, thank you! And in case anyone cares, I did NOT call Mister Jones "Jonesy" in the bill of health.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2014, 07:58:16 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 02, 2014, 07:45:35 AM
Plus, I'm sorry about being so flaky, Corporal. Please don't wait on me for anything, My picture is not worth waiting for. :)

Haha. To be fair, you did warn me from the start about that. It just makes a nice change from pictures of books all the time.  :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 08:35:50 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 02, 2014, 07:50:47 AM
I seriously can't imagine anyone pretending to be me, for any reason. Totally flattering, though, thank you! And in case anyone cares, I did NOT call Mister Jones "Jonesy" in the bill of health.

Straight from the Perry's mouth.

:)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 02, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
Nice to hear some things start to clear up ;) Cheers!

About standard edition: Will come and more news about that one quite sooon.

Price is harsh, no doubt. But to make sure, it was not Mr. Locusta´s fee. But I tried to give my best without counting the nickels. :D

Well, the SE is a Sideshow product and they don´t come cheap. Keep in mind it is huge and heavy and as it might not be mentioned by now, it comes with real leather binding etc. The Xeno-Porsche so to say.

I wonder why they did not announce by now, that the standard edition will be release prior to that one.

In the meanwhile, let´s hope that the anticipation is not clouded and let me say that I´m happy and proud to be part of a book, I would have pulled a leg for as a young one when my lifelong addiction took it´s start (and that´s actually a terrible long time already) :D :D

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 02, 2014, 11:56:30 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 02, 2014, 06:07:06 AM
Dear SM

I will pay the amount listed if you decaonize ACM


your friend

/poorfag

*deaconize

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.independent.com%2Fimg%2Fphotos%2F2007%2F07%2F25%2FOrdination_Web.jpg&hash=c09e4f761afb7a3bb858d84938aba85d50913410)
[close]

and get yerself a job yer bloody layabout!  :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: gabgrave on Sep 02, 2014, 01:35:06 PM
Man, I so want to get the limited book, screw the price...but my cat just shred my 15 year old copy of the Alien omnibus, so i'm gonna take that as a sign and wait for the standard... Stupid cat.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 02, 2014, 03:11:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 02, 2014, 11:56:30 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 02, 2014, 06:07:06 AM
Dear SM

I will pay the amount listed if you decaonize ACM


your friend

/poorfag

*deaconize

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.independent.com%2Fimg%2Fphotos%2F2007%2F07%2F25%2FOrdination_Web.jpg&hash=c09e4f761afb7a3bb858d84938aba85d50913410)
[close]

and get yerself a job yer bloody layabout!  :laugh:


lulz
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 02, 2014, 04:01:40 PM

Congrats to SM & Locusta! 8)

Thanks for clearing up what the binding is made of Locusta. I thought it looked like leather and that would help explain part of the cost.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 02, 2014, 04:03:11 PM
tell fox if they ever need a stick alien drawn on line paper............I'm their guy
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 02, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 02, 2014, 04:03:11 PM
tell fox if they ever need a stick alien drawn on line paper............I'm their guy

Will do my best  ;)

Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Sep 02, 2014, 04:01:40 PM

Congrats to SM & Locusta! 8)

Thanks for clearing up what the binding is made of Locusta. I thought it looked like leather and that would help explain part of the cost.

Thanx allot, highly appreciated.  I just know that the book spine and backside are supposed to be leather with some special treatment.  But all front faces will be hand painted,  what's costy as well.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 02, 2014, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 29, 2014, 01:21:25 PM• Signed certificate of canonicity by Middlebrook S.

In every copy or just five gold ones in five random copies all over the world?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 02, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 02, 2014, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 29, 2014, 01:21:25 PM• Signed certificate of canonicity by Middlebrook S.

In every copy or just five gold ones in five random copies all over the world?

What I know, it will be in all copies and in his blood. Hope does not get too pale. ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 02, 2014, 08:44:52 PM
Quote from: locusta on Sep 02, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
What I know, it will be in all copies and in his blood. Hope does not get too pale. ;)

Reminiscent of the Kiss Comic that had members blood added to the ink...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 02, 2014, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: locusta on Sep 02, 2014, 07:46:39 PMWhat I know, it will be in all copies and in his blood. Hope does not get too pale. ;)

They have to dilute it anyway or it'll corrode the paper like molecular acid.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Sep 02, 2014, 10:01:04 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2014, 08:35:50 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 02, 2014, 07:50:47 AMAnd in case anyone cares, I did NOT call Mister Jones "Jonesy" in the bill of health.

Straight from the Perry's mouth.

:)

Well, there's me, un-displeased!  ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: sd perry on Sep 03, 2014, 03:19:44 AM
So, Corporal Hicks asked if I could hang out here for a couple of days to answer questions. Happy to do so; I'll check in every day for the rest of the week, at least. Feel free to ask whatever. And I totally agree with locusta--whatever the price, I'm also proud to be connected to this project. Being the voice of Weyland Yutani was great fun, and the layout they sent me to caption was awesome; I'm sure it's an amazing book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 03, 2014, 06:37:41 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 03, 2014, 03:19:44 AM
So, Corporal Hicks asked if I could hang out here for a couple of days to answer questions. Happy to do so; I'll check in every day for the rest of the week, at least. Feel free to ask whatever. And I totally agree with locusta--whatever the price, I'm also proud to be connected to this project. Being the voice of Weyland Yutani was great fun, and the layout they sent me to caption was awesome; I'm sure it's an amazing book.

That´s great and wonderful to hear. Many thanks for that.

I for myself feel relieved as well, to finally be able to talk about it, after such a long time of keeping silent. There are quite some stories to tell, but sure there will be the right occasion for it.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2014, 06:42:31 AM
Hi Danelle - it's Scott here.

Glad you can answer questions - I'm too frightened of Fox NDAs.  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 03, 2014, 07:36:12 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 03, 2014, 03:19:44 AMSo, Corporal Hicks asked if I could hang out here for a couple of days to answer questions. Happy to do so; I'll check in every day for the rest of the week, at least. Feel free to ask whatever.

Good news! I'll have to think of something to ask.

Quote from: sd perry on Sep 03, 2014, 03:19:44 AMAnd I totally agree with locusta--whatever the price, I'm also proud to be connected to this project. Being the voice of Weyland Yutani was great fun, and the layout they sent me to caption was awesome; I'm sure it's an amazing book.

I'm sure the regular version will be more affordable. I just can't justify spending £200 on a book, no matter how awesome it looks.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 03, 2014, 08:29:05 AM
Thanks for staying around, Danelle. I assume that there will be a standard edition too? Seems a little daft to not.

One thing I'm curious about is the Space Beast segments. How big are they?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 03, 2014, 11:24:10 AM
Thanks for agreeing to answer a few questions for us, rabid fans, Ms. Perry. We've been trying to extract information from SM via various questionable means such as torture, bribery, coercion/extortion, trickery and cranial USB port but alas it was all to no avail.

He did however let slip that Fox is apparently now taking a more serious stance on what it considers "canon". The features blurb mentions that material from Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection were used. Will it also incorporate material or elements from the "EU" such as the recent Alien novels (Sea of Sorrows, Out of the Shadows) and games such as Alien: Isolation and Aliens: Colonial Marines?

Does the book include an official canonical timeline?

There appears to be a fair amount of technical illustrations in the book and again the blurb mentions "extensive information on the characters, locations, vehicles, and weapons from the movies, along with an in-depth breakdown of the Xenomorph's life cycle." Will it therefore follow a similar format to the "Aliens Colonial Marines Technical Manual"?

Will it address any of the films unexplained mysteries such as the egg on the Sulaco (Alien 3), Egg-morphing vs. the Queen Alien, the box Alien, Fifield and Milburn getting lost, whether Xenomorphs were engineered or naturally occurring, the Walmart buyout of Weyland-Yutani and the confusion surrounding the various incarnations of Bishop and Weyland CEO's (the so-called Weyland Effect™)?

That's all I can think of for now and thanks again for taking the time to give us a better idea of what to expect in the book.



Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 03, 2014, 11:28:14 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 03, 2014, 08:29:05 AMOne thing I'm curious about is the Space Beast segments. How big are they?

I'm curious about that too. It's probably the thing that most caught my eye on that list.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: USG Ishimura on Sep 03, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 03, 2014, 11:24:10 AM
There appears to be a fair amount of technical illustrations in the book and again the blurb mentions "extensive information on the characters, locations, vehicles, and weapons from the movies, along with an in-depth breakdown of the Xenomorph's life cycle." Will it therefore follow a similar format to the "Aliens Colonial Marines Technical Manual"?

I do know that in the hardware illustrations at least such as the Dropship and APC cutaways there has been a huge amount of effort put in to ensure cohesiveness between different sources that have gone before, such as the Tech Manual, what is seen in the movie and behind the scenes photos, the Nostromo print that was released with Alien: Vault, and the APC print that will be provided with pre-orders of Hollywood Collectible Group's APC model out later in the year. John R. Mullaney has done a stella job of the illustrations worked on for this book, really superb.
Like everyone else I haven't seen the rest of the book yet, but from the small amounts I have seen I'm very much looking forward to it from a fan perspective.

Best,

- USG Ishimura (aka 'Space Jockey' on Aliens Legacy, Propsummit forums)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 03, 2014, 05:22:13 PM
Does the Weyland-Yutani in this book pre or post-date Alien Resurrection?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 03, 2014, 05:27:40 PM
Greetings Ms. Perry :)

Since this is the first book to include Prometheus in the ALIEN universe. Will there be more insight to the origin of the ALIEN? Weylan Yutani's first knowledge of the signal or encounter with the species? Was this an engineered bio weapon?...a species from??? Or are these to remain a mystery to be solved?

(this almost sounds like it could be an ad teaser for the book! :D)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 04, 2014, 01:05:35 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 03, 2014, 05:22:13 PM
Does the Weyland-Yutani in this book pre or post-date Alien Resurrection?
I sincerely hope pre-date.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 01:34:45 AM
QuoteFeatures material from Prometheus,  Alien,  Aliens,  Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection and is one of the first books to bring the worlds of Prometheus  and the Alien  films together.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Sep 04, 2014, 02:53:25 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 04, 2014, 01:05:35 AM
I sincerely hope pre-date.

The Walmart Report doesn't have that ring to it
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 03:27:22 AM
They are, however, free. (http://stock.walmart.com/annual-reports)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 04, 2014, 06:37:44 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 03, 2014, 03:19:44 AM
So, Corporal Hicks asked if I could hang out here for a couple of days to answer questions. Happy to do so; I'll check in every day for the rest of the week, at least. Feel free to ask whatever. And I totally agree with locusta--whatever the price, I'm also proud to be connected to this project. Being the voice of Weyland Yutani was great fun, and the layout they sent me to caption was awesome; I'm sure it's an amazing book.

Hi SD Perry (if you're still around), I'm a HUGE fan of your work and have read all your Aliens/AVP books.  I was REALLY excited to hear that you would be working on the Weyland-Yutani Report, it's so reassuring to know that a project of this magnitude was put in the hands of someone with a longstanding history in the franchise.  I just wanted to ask whether this Report will reference any of the events that you (and your father) have novelized in many of your stories; you guys are such great authors, it would be amazing to re-live your tales again in this book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 04, 2014, 08:45:09 AM
Is SM taking questions now?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 04, 2014, 08:59:02 AM
Quote from: happypred on Sep 04, 2014, 02:53:25 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 04, 2014, 01:05:35 AM
I sincerely hope pre-date.

The Walmart Report doesn't have that ring to it

The whole Walmart thing is only mentioned in the DC of ALIEN:Resurrection.  Therefor I personally consider it non existing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 04, 2014, 12:05:48 PM
Just found this online:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20140727092957%2Fweyland-ycorporation%2Fimages%2Fc%2Fcf%2FAlien_the_weyland_Yutani_report.jpg&hash=b05944fee435628672a95f161655c2dc31acdbcf)


http://www.insightcollectibles.com/ (http://www.insightcollectibles.com/)

Couple of preview pages on Insight's website.

http://www.insightcollectibles.com/img/alien-page01-HD.jpg (http://www.insightcollectibles.com/img/alien-page01-HD.jpg)
http://www.insightcollectibles.com/detail.aspx?i=alien2 (http://www.insightcollectibles.com/detail.aspx?i=alien2)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 04, 2014, 06:59:18 PM
Is that dog alien illustration a locusta original?

Also, who's idea was "Xenomorph XX121?"  An an avowed hater of the term "xenomorph" as it's come to be used by fans, I actually dig that idea a nice compromise.  Kudos to Ms. Perry if she came up with it.

The rest of that sample page about the facehugger pleases me considerably.  Sold.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 04, 2014, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 04, 2014, 06:59:18 PM
Is that a dog alien illustration a locusta original?

Also, who's idea was "Xenomorph XX121?"  An an avowed hater of the term "xenomorph" as it's come to be used by fans, I actually dig that idea a nice compromise.  Kudos to Ms. Perry if she came up with it.

The rest of that sample page about the facehugger pleases me considerably.  Sold.

Thanx allot.

Well, the SideShow page was just updated and should hopefully not give away to much, but at least make more tease ;)

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/alien-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-insight-collectibles-902252/# (https://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/alien-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-insight-collectibles-902252/#)

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 04, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
Based on what I've seen so far, I seriously hope Fox assembles the same talent to mastermind the franchise for any other Alien-related projects in the future.

And I say that as an admitted bitter, old and cynical fan who lost faith in the series ages ago and now yells at kids to stay off my lawn.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 04, 2014, 08:09:52 PM
Looks good!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 04, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 04, 2014, 06:59:18 PM
The rest of that sample page about the facehugger pleases me considerably.  Sold.

Now you know why the huggers in the medlab didn't melt through the glass like they did with Kane's helmet visor.

And the Egg Morphing vs Queen issue has also been answered (to a certain extent).

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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 04, 2014, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 04, 2014, 06:59:18 PMAlso, who's idea was "Xenomorph XX121?"  An an avowed hater of the term "xenomorph" as it's come to be used by fans, I actually dig that idea a nice compromise.  Kudos to Ms. Perry if she came up with it.

I've no idea who originally came up with it, but it was used in Sea of Sorrows.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 04, 2014, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 03:27:22 AM
They are, however, free. (http://stock.walmart.com/annual-reports)

:D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Sep 04, 2014, 09:10:48 PM
I like that the actors' first names were used for some of the Prometheus characters.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 04, 2014, 09:15:22 PM
Like how certain bits relating to David and Shaw's fate has been blanked out.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Sep 04, 2014, 09:21:59 PM
Millburn is supposed to have 2 Ls.

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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 04, 2014, 09:25:29 PM
Yeah... STOP THE PRESS!

Looks like SM screwed up.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 04, 2014, 09:35:43 PM
Noticed that Hick's report mentioned a small team of REMF Marines.. Is that a reference to Fire and Stone, or were the REMF Marines mentioned in other media way before the upcoming Dark Horse reboot?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 09:52:39 PM
Quote from: Quarax on Sep 04, 2014, 09:21:59 PM
Millburn is supposed to have 2 Ls.

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Bummer.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 04, 2014, 10:03:14 PM
Well, the sample pages have "prototype" stamped all over them and a few captions are still incomplete so hopefully the typo has been spotted by an editor.

I misspelled his name myself a couple pages back.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 10:06:32 PM
I'll tell the editor, but I suspect it's gotten by about half a dozen people.

Disappointing, but if you'd asked me I would've said it was only spelled with one L.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Sep 04, 2014, 10:21:07 PM
He can't even decide whether he has a Southern accent or not, so it's fitting he wouldn't remember if his name had one L or two. ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 04, 2014, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 10:06:32 PM
I'll tell the editor, but I suspect it's gotten by about half a dozen people.

Disappointing, but if you'd asked me I would've said it was only spelled with one L.

If the book says "would of" at any point, I'm blaming SM.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 11:58:18 PM
I'll totes wear that one...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: sd perry on Sep 05, 2014, 12:42:51 AM
Wow, some good questions! I don't want to be a big spoiler person, so I'll try to address as many as I can without going overboard...

OK, in no particular order:
-Yes, there will be a standard edition, so far as I know.
-I wrote about ten pages of material of the fictional Space Beast, telling the story of what happened on Fury 161 in Morse's voice. So, like 10 pages from a book. I haven't seen the very final version, so some of it may have been cut... BTW, WAY fun to write.
-Yes, there's a timeline. I did my best, but it was a major undertaking. Thankfully, my editor and his contact at Fox had several uber-fans contracted to check for continuity, so it should be fairly comprehensive. I was asked to reference some of the new stuff coming out (Fire and Stone, the game, etc), so that upcoming projects would be included in canon, but there aren't a lot of details in the report, just references.
-The USCM tech manual was a great resource, but I don't think this book is much like it... totally different visuals, and a lot of Company voice in this one. This is more about WY's take on the xenomorph than a tech book, though there is a lot of tech stuff included. The art is amazing.
-The big mysteries, like how did the egg get on the Sulaco... I addressed some of these things but didn't definitively answer them. Remember, these were movies, there was a ton of artistic license taken when they were made, and while I did my best to supply plausible theories, I didn't necessarily solve anything.
-The WY report is written a few months after the events in Resurrection.
-With Prometheus, I had to be very, very careful about discussing Alien origin, because there are new things being written and I wasn't invited to speculate. That's all I can say, I believe. Except that I'm pretty certain it's Milburn, one L. Online sources disagree in either direction, but it was Milburn in the script...
-The Walmart thing... my editor and I decided that was a rumor. WY just had to go underground for awhile.
-Oh, and I came up with XX121. Honestly, I just put it in as a reminder to go back and put in whatever WY really called the things, but the higher ups decided that XX121 worked just fine. Apparently, that is now the creature's designation. Go figure!

Did I get everything so far? Thank you so much for asking, and for your kind words. I'll still be around for a few days, so please ask more... If I can answer, I will. Cheers!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: sd perry on Sep 05, 2014, 12:44:47 AM
I stand corrected. It does say Millburn on his helmet... Maybe they misspelled it?  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 01:12:15 AM
It seems like Fox is making major changes to the Alien franchise. Since there seems to be some non-disclosure agreements potentially barring details on the book, and this does relate to the timeline in a sense.. I would assume that there is some hush-hush on what is included, but can you talk about what entries in the franchise are not in the timeline? Were you told to leave out certain entries and events from the timeline as well?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 05, 2014, 01:27:49 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 04, 2014, 09:35:43 PM
Noticed that Hick's report mentioned a small team of REMF Marines.. Is that a reference to Fire and Stone, or were the REMF Marines mentioned in other media way before the upcoming Dark Horse reboot?



I'm trying to avoid spoilers by not looking at all this but in military jargon REMF stands for rear echelon motherf**kers.  Mostly hated by those of us that have done time in combat arms because they are so far removed from the battlefield they are like civilians in uniform and want to try to call the shots (and often do) about our SOP, ROE, and TTPs even though they might be countries away and oblivious to the actual situation on the ground. 

See pog (person other than grunt) and fobbit (deployed individuals who never leave the wire). 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 01:39:41 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 05, 2014, 12:44:47 AM
I stand corrected. It does say Millburn on his helmet... Maybe they misspelled it?  :)

Vickers misspelled it on the manifest, thus leading to the ground crew misspelling it on his clothes and video feed.

Must be it.  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 04:06:04 AM
Are there references to any of the older stuff in the timeline? The Bantam novels, 90s-era comics, etc.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 04:08:02 AM
And.. this is completely left field but.. the AvP movies.. What is exactly Fox's stance on those? Are those an alternate universe, a separate canon or.. did they just never happen? I would be disappointed if it was the last but this was something I needed to ask.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 04:36:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 01:34:45 AM
Features material from Prometheus,  Alien,  Aliens,  Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection and is one of the first books to bring the worlds of Prometheus  and the Alien  films together.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 04:40:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 04:36:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 01:34:45 AM
Features material from Prometheus,  Alien,  Aliens,  Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection and is one of the first books to bring the worlds of Prometheus  and the Alien  films together.

I am aware, that never escaped my mind but I just had to ask anyway out of curiosity.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 05, 2014, 06:46:35 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 04:08:02 AM
And.. this is completely left field but.. the AvP movies.. What is exactly Fox's stance on those? Are those an alternate universe, a separate canon or.. did they just never happen? I would be disappointed if it was the last but this was something I needed to ask.

I guess we can be sure, that AVP and even more AVP Retard never happened. (For the last one I wish that somebody destroys the master copy)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 07:35:10 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 05, 2014, 12:42:51 AM-I wrote about ten pages of material of the fictional Space Beast, telling the story of what happened on Fury 161 in Morse's voice. So, like 10 pages from a book. I haven't seen the very final version, so some of it may have been cut... BTW, WAY fun to write.

This is genuinely the most interesting part for me. The whole book looks great, but that bit intrigues me especially, I can't wait to read it.

Quote from: Quarax on Sep 04, 2014, 09:10:48 PMI like that the actors' first names were used for some of the Prometheus characters.

That's getting to be a franchise tradition! :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2014, 07:39:34 AM
It was only Aliens that did that, wasn't it?

Yeah, Space Beast is what I'm most curious about. I'd still love to see a novel with Morse after the events of A3, with quotes from his book spread around it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 07:42:58 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2014, 07:39:34 AMIt was only Aliens that did that, wasn't it?

True enough, but I like the fact they've done it again. Plus Janek just got even cooler with Idris as a first name.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 07:58:17 AM
Quote from: locusta on Sep 05, 2014, 06:46:35 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 04:08:02 AM
And.. this is completely left field but.. the AvP movies.. What is exactly Fox's stance on those? Are those an alternate universe, a separate canon or.. did they just never happen? I would be disappointed if it was the last but this was something I needed to ask.

I guess we can be sure, that AVP and even more AVP Retard never happened. (For the last one I wish that somebody destroys the master copy)

Lol, if the rumors are true that Fox is trying to create a Master Continuity, then I imagine it would be ridiculously difficult to rationalize why the AVP movies should be de-canonized; I mean those are actual movies, not just small comics that can be shoved in the back.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 08:09:32 AM
Prometheus also is an actual movie.

QuoteThat's getting to be a franchise tradition!

Sort of.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:16:05 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 07:58:17 AMLol, if the rumors are true that Fox is trying to create a Master Continuity, then I imagine it would be ridiculously difficult to rationalize why the AVP movies should be de-canonized; I mean those are actual movies, not just small comics that can be shoved in the back.

Not really. Casino Royale essentially undid every James Bond movie made before it. Batman Begins did the same for the Batman franchise. It doesn't stop the earlier films existing, they just don't count in the new continuity.

I already pretend the AVP films don't exist anyway, because they're sh*t, so making it official wouldn't change much.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:17:39 AM
Those movies were reboots though, they destroyed even the original classic films from continuity; the concept of deleting films without rational explanation is something completely different.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 08:19:41 AM
You assume there isn't a rational explanation?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:21:15 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:17:39 AMThose movies were reboots though, they destroyed even the original classic films from continuity; the concept of deleting films without rational explanation is something completely different.

They're deleting them because they're crap and they totally contradict the fact no one is supposed to have seen the Alien prior to Alien?
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:22:00 AM
The films were prequels, what did people expect?  Good stories with no contradictions?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 08:25:07 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:16:05 AM
Batman Begins did the same for the Batman franchise. It doesn't stop the earlier films existing, they just don't count in the new continuity.

Actually, in the context of DC's Multiverse.. the Burton/Schumacher films still count as an entirely separate universe from the Nolan films. So.. those exist in-multiverse as far as DC is concerned.

Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 07:58:17 AM
Lol, if the rumors are true that Fox is trying to create a Master Continuity, then I imagine it would be ridiculously difficult to rationalize why the AVP movies should be de-canonized; I mean those are actual movies, not just small comics that can be shoved in the back.

Well.. so far it's looking like Fox is trying to create a master continuity and if this book proves anything, it cinches the rumor as being true. As for movies being de-canonized, well.. there are some examples of such movies. HuDaFuk pointed out Casino Royale, but I would think the James Bond master continuity would be the novels by Flemming. The only movies which come to mind which decanonizes movies would of course be the Godzilla Heisei movies, which ignores the previous Godzilla movies but the 1954 original. But the Showa era films are considered their own canon.

I don't like the idea of something being jettisoned from canon as much as you do PredXeno but.. so far it's looking like as if that maybe just the case. Personally, I wouldn't mind them being rendered a canonical/semi-canon AU but.. Fox has the power to say it never happened. I don't like it but so far it's looking like it is what it is.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:31:20 AM
If Fox jettisoned the AVP movies, I would lose a TON of respect for them.  I get why they may want to clean up the EU, at some point many of those stories do feel like "filler" episodes, but de-canonizing any of the movies is crossing a line. 

Have some self-respect, Fox, you made a movie and you gave it your best, you should stand proudly by your work no matter what people say, to do so otherwise would only prove you have no backbone.  If you're going to de-canonize something, de-canonize Newt's death; come to think of it, I could probably jettison the AVP movies if it meant jettisoning Newt's demise as well.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:33:03 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 08:25:07 AMThe only movies which come to mind which decanonizes movies would of course be the Godzilla Heisei movies, which ignores the previous Godzilla movies but the 1954 original. But the Showa era films are considered their own canon.

Superman Returns ignores III and IV, the recent Universal Soldier films ignore the shitty DTV sequels they made in the 90s, Jaws: The Revenge totally ignores the previous movie... A whole bunch of horror series do it at some point. It happens more often that you'd think.

Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:31:20 AMHave some self-respect, Fox, you made a movie and you gave it your best, you should stand proudly by your work no matter what people say, to do so otherwise would only prove you have no backbone.

Even if their work offers up a huge plot contradiction that never should have existed in the first place?

The biggest issue I have is it doesn't even feel like they were giving it their best shot with the AVP films. They were just milking it. For all their faults, the third and fourth Alien films at least feel like they tried.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 08:36:49 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:22:00 AM
The films were prequels, what did people expect?  Good stories with no contradictions?

Would've been a good start.

AvP can still be canon - it can be canon with AvP:R.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:45:10 AM
I don't think Fox is axing the AVP films, I looked at a preview page of The Wey-Yu Report and it says that facehugger implantation can take as little as 20 minutes to as long as something else (probably 18-24 hours); point is, the AVP films are the only source that has the gestation period that short, perhaps Fox isn't the sad bunch of cowards we make them out to be. :-\
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 08:48:25 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:45:10 AM
I don't think Fox is axing the AVP films, I looked at a preview page of The Wey-Yu Report and it says that facehugger implantation can take as little as 20 minutes to as long as something else (probably 18-24 hours); point is, the AVP films are the only source that has the gestation period that short, perhaps Fox isn't the sad bunch of cowards we make them out to be. :-\

As much as I share your viewpoints.. I also think that there is clutching onto straws.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:49:55 AM
Have hope. ;)  Speaking of which, there isn't second source that advocates so short a gestation period, is there?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:51:46 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:49:55 AMSpeaking of which, there isn't second source that advocates so short a gestation period, is there?

Pretty much every Alien video game ever made, including ACM.

I seem to remember implantation being pretty quick in Out of the Shadows, too, and that's definitely in the new canon.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:52:45 AM
Not twenty minutes, I don't think.  Belle had quite a few hours in her before she burst.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 08:53:59 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:49:55 AM
Have hope. ;)  Speaking of which, there isn't second source that advocates so short a gestation period, is there?

Would Burke's gestation scene count, especially considering that Cameron feels that the Director's Cut of ALIENS is the definitive version? But then again.. that one might be an exception since that one isn't in the Director's Cut, is it?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:52:45 AMNot twenty minutes, I don't think.  Belle had quite a few hours in her before she burst.

Lol no she didn't, you find her like ten minutes after she disappears. It's even faster with Keyes, you find him like five minutes after he disappears, and in that time he's been carried off, cocooned and impregnated.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 08:53:59 AMWould Burke's gestation scene count, especially considering that Cameron feels that the Director's Cut of ALIENS is the definitive version? But then again.. that one might be an exception since that one isn't in the Director's Cut, is it?

That scene isn't in any version of the film, so it can't really count.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 08:56:46 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
That scene isn't in any version of the film, so it can't really count.

Fair enough, I can buy that.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:51:46 AM
Pretty much every Alien video game ever made, including ACM.

I will be plum surprised and apalled if ACM made it into the new canon.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:57:46 AM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:54:55 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:52:45 AMNot twenty minutes, I don't think.  Belle had quite a few hours in her before she burst.

Lol no she didn't, you find her like ten minutes after she disappears. It's even faster with Keyes, you find him like five minutes after he disappears, and in that time he's been carried off, cocooned and impregnated.

I don't recall a specific timetable being provided on when they were grabbed, couldn't it have been longer than we may have originally inferred?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 08:56:46 AMI will be plum surprised and apalled if ACM made it into the new canon.

:)

Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:57:46 AMI don't recall a specific timetable being provided on when they were grabbed, couldn't it have been longer than we may have originally inferred?

The Sephora's literally only just arrived when you start the game, and there's no sign of anything going wrong until you head across the umbilical to the Sulaco. Five minutes after that you're rescuing Keyes.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 09:01:56 AM
Actually, the game's opening intro reveals that Winter and some others were woken up later than the other marines so Belle and Keyes would have had more time on the Sulaco than Winter (and the player).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 09:04:01 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 09:01:56 AMActually, the game's opening intro reveals that Winter and some others woken up later than the other marines so Belle and Keyes would have had more time on the Sulaco than Winter (and the player).

Even so, nothing goes wrong until the explosion while you're crossing the umbilical. Unless you expect me to believe all the Marines already on the Sulaco got attacked in total silence, not one of them raised the alarm, and their superiors didn't notice they'd all gone missing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 09:06:13 AM
Didn't something already go wrong, though?  That's why Winter's team was woken up.  Also, a LOT of shit goes down in the A:CM prequel comic that Dark Horse also did (like they did for A:I).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:10:14 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:59:41 AM
:)

What is the smiley for?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 09:11:51 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:49:55 AM
Have hope. ;)  Speaking of which, there isn't second source that advocates so short a gestation period, is there?

Resurrection script/ novel.

And AvP was way less than 20 minutes.

Remember the title is Weyland Yutani Report.  Danelle is writing from their perspective.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 09:15:26 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 09:06:13 AMDidn't something already go wrong, though?  That's why Winter's team was woken up.  Also, a LOT of shit goes down in the A:CM prequel comic that Dark Horse also did (like they did for A:I).

No, because as soon as the explosion happens Cruz is on the radio asking you what the hell's going on. So clearly there was nothing wrong before that, because he'd know about it. The Marines all have radios.

Then when you do get across the umbilical, O'Neil sends off an initial sitrep about the attacks.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:10:14 AMWhat is the smiley for?

Because that game's plot was a mess!

Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 09:11:51 AMResurrection script/ novel.

That explains it was an alteration resulting from the genetic tampering though, doesn't it? I remember that in the novel.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:16:56 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 09:15:26 AM
Because that game's plot was a mess!

Exactly why I said I would be surprised and appalled if it was included in the new canon.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:16:56 AMExactly why I said I would be surprised and appalled if it was included in the new canon.

Yeah. To be honest I was smiling because undoing a film that's ten years old is one thing... Undoing a game that only just came out and was hyped up as being the canon continuation of Aliens? That really would make me laugh.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 09:18:37 AM
Yeah. To be honest I was smiling because undoing a film that's ten years old is one thing... Undoing a game that only just came out and was hyped up as being the canon continuation of Aliens? That really would make me laugh.

While I don't agree with Fox potentially erasing AvP and would rather have them render that as a semi-canon AU, and I am going to leave it at that.. I will say that if they jettison Colonial Marines from the canon, then it would give this new canon more credibility. Some characters were not meant to be brought back from the dead, like Hicks.. and if Fox wanted to bring him back, then just undo Alien 3 and Resurrection, but then again I wouldn't like that either as I liked Alien 3.. Point is if they wanted to give credibility to ACM, the developers shouldn't have half-assed it and just give out better explanations and scenarios.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 09:33:49 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:25:30 AMWhile I don't agree with Fox potentially erasing AvP and would rather have them render that as a semi-canon AU, and I am going to leave it at that..

To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is about. Even if the AVPs are 'de-canonised' by Fox, they still exist for people to watch if they so chose. Plus the Alien timeline makes more sense without them - mankind clearly doesn't know about the Alien until they find the Derelict, so having the creatures running around on Earth a hundred-odd years beforehand kinda screws with that.

It's not like they added much to the Alien universe anyway. The Weyland origin was already more or less undone by Prometheus.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: gabgrave on Sep 05, 2014, 09:41:56 AM
I'm just wondering, since the AVPverse does includes the character Weyland and mention of the Yutani corporation, wouldn't it be technically part of the continuum? Obviously, some parts of both movies are rather far fetched compared to the Alien series, but I personally feel that if they can make the Abomination that is the Newborn part of the continuum, they can make the Predalien part of it as well... :-\
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:45:10 AM
Quote from: gabgrave on Sep 05, 2014, 09:41:56 AM
I'm just wondering, since the AVPverse does includes the character Weyland and mention of the Yutani corporation, wouldn't it be technically part of the continuum?

Prometheus went out of it's way to ignore the timeline of the AvP films, and assuming where Fox is going with the franchises.. It's likely that they are no longer considered, fortunately or unfortunately depending on the individual fan's view. That's why I asked Stephanie what Fox's stance on those movies were since well.. she did work quite closely with them and I did inquire what else was mandated to be left out from the book.

I'm also willing to bet that a large portion of the EU which was published between '88 to 2010 was perhaps left out. One could argue that Resurrection essentially retconned the films already but if you count the Big Deletion anyway, Prometheus was perhaps the nail in the coffin as far as the old EU is concerned.. Which is why they're starting a new one.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: gabgrave on Sep 05, 2014, 10:08:07 AM
So it's been confirmed that the Weyland in Prometheus has nothing to do with the Weyland from AVP? There's a lot of in-universe time in between the settings, which may or may not have resulted in knowledge being lost, removed or destroyed by alien hunters from outerspace (I'm looking at Concert Jungle from the PS2). If this has been addressed already I apologize, I've been out of the info loops for a while.

I do see that SM has made it ambiguously clear that the WY Report only covers Prom and the Alien series though, so I'm just putting the question out in general.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 10:17:32 AM
Quote from: gabgrave on Sep 05, 2014, 10:08:07 AMSo it's been confirmed that the Weyland in Prometheus has nothing to do with the Weyland from AVP?

Nothing's confirmed, but the Weyland in Prometheus didn't tie in with the one we see in AVP at all.

There's a quote from someone saying as much to Ridley Scott on set, and Scott basically replying that he didn't give a shit. So to me, Prometheus has already retconned AVP.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Sep 05, 2014, 10:55:16 AM
So happy those films are left out. They don't belong any more than does 'Superman vs. Aliens'.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 08:21:15 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 08:17:39 AMThose movies were reboots though, they destroyed even the original classic films from continuity; the concept of deleting films without rational explanation is something completely different.

They're deleting them because they're crap and they totally contradict the fact no one is supposed to have seen the Alien prior to Alien?
The problem with this line of thinking is that the AvP movies don't totally contradict 'Alien'.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:10:02 AMThe problem with this line of thinking is that the AvP movies don't totally contradict 'Alien'.

No, but they expect us to believe everyone involved in the nuking of an entire small American town in the second film then totally forgot there had been Aliens there.

And that not one person managed to film footage of one on their smart phone and upload it to YouTube.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:32:12 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:10:02 AMThe problem with this line of thinking is that the AvP movies don't totally contradict 'Alien'.

No, but they expect us to believe everyone involved in the nuking of an entire small American town in the second film then totally forgot there had been Aliens there.

And that not one person managed to film footage of one on their smart phone and upload it to YouTube.
They didn't know what was there, they just know they were weird and pissed off and obviously hostile. They didn't even know the Aliens were from another planet - they could have been literally anything. No specimens were recovered, and it's over a century before 'Alien', it's hardly a stretch to conclude that no one made the connection that they were the same creatures in 'Alien', especially with so little data recovered in AvPR.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 11:49:01 AM
There mere fact they dropped a thermonuclear warhead on the town implies they knew something.

That's not exactly the next step up the ladder after national guard.

On topic, I have a question for Perry, if she's still around - one of the preview pages we've seen from the Report has Hicks mentioning Marines being stationed at Hadley's Hope before the events of Aliens. Is that designed to tie in to the River of Pain novel? The blurb for that makes mention of Marines being present at the colony.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 12:36:47 PM
Some of the comic panels that have been released support that assertion.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: happypred on Sep 05, 2014, 01:16:45 PM
About smartphones and Youtube...I believe the film is set in 2004
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Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2014, 11:49:01 AM
There mere fact they dropped a thermonuclear warhead on the town implies they knew something.
They knew something was extremely dangerous and out of control. The town got nuked in 'The Crazies' remake, and there's no extraterrestrials in that movie whatsoever. The characters narrowly averted a town getting fuel-air-bombed in 'Outbreak'. A city got nuked in 'Resident Evil: Apocalypse', as well.
Taking drastic measures to contain an unknown outbreak doesn't automatically mean they knew about capital-A Aliens.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Vrastal on Sep 05, 2014, 03:31:34 PM
its too bad i dont have a massive chunk of money to drop on a damn book...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 05, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
When exactly is the pre-order for the limited book again?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 05, 2014, 04:24:42 PM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 05, 2014, 12:42:51 AM
Wow, some good questions! I don't want to be a big spoiler person, so I'll try to address as many as I can without going overboard...

OK, in no particular order:
-Yes, there will be a standard edition, so far as I know.
-I wrote about ten pages of material of the fictional Space Beast, telling the story of what happened on Fury 161 in Morse's voice. So, like 10 pages from a book. I haven't seen the very final version, so some of it may have been cut... BTW, WAY fun to write.
-Yes, there's a timeline. I did my best, but it was a major undertaking. Thankfully, my editor and his contact at Fox had several uber-fans contracted to check for continuity, so it should be fairly comprehensive. I was asked to reference some of the new stuff coming out (Fire and Stone, the game, etc), so that upcoming projects would be included in canon, but there aren't a lot of details in the report, just references.
-The USCM tech manual was a great resource, but I don't think this book is much like it... totally different visuals, and a lot of Company voice in this one. This is more about WY's take on the xenomorph than a tech book, though there is a lot of tech stuff included. The art is amazing.
-The big mysteries, like how did the egg get on the Sulaco... I addressed some of these things but didn't definitively answer them. Remember, these were movies, there was a ton of artistic license taken when they were made, and while I did my best to supply plausible theories, I didn't necessarily solve anything.
-The WY report is written a few months after the events in Resurrection.
-With Prometheus, I had to be very, very careful about discussing Alien origin, because there are new things being written and I wasn't invited to speculate. That's all I can say, I believe. Except that I'm pretty certain it's Milburn, one L. Online sources disagree in either direction, but it was Milburn in the script...
-The Walmart thing... my editor and I decided that was a rumor. WY just had to go underground for awhile.
-Oh, and I came up with XX121. Honestly, I just put it in as a reminder to go back and put in whatever WY really called the things, but the higher ups decided that XX121 worked just fine. Apparently, that is now the creature's designation. Go figure!

Did I get everything so far? Thank you so much for asking, and for your kind words. I'll still be around for a few days, so please ask more... If I can answer, I will. Cheers!

Thanks for taking the time to answer all our questions Ms. Perry. I'm even more excited about the book now!

Seeing as how much you enjoyed writing the Space Beast segment, would you consider doing a full-length novel if you were asked to submit a pitch again? There appears to be a strong interest in Morse's book & story and the topic has been brought up quite a few times on the forums.

Were you privy to the Jack Paglen/Michael Green Prometheus 2 script drafts or did you simply try and avoid areas/topics that might conflict with the possible forthcoming Prometheus sequel?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 05, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 05, 2014, 04:24:42 PM
Seeing as how much you enjoyed writing the Space Beast segment, would you consider doing a full-length novel if you were asked to submit a pitch again? There appears to be a strong interest in Morse's book & story and the topic has been brought up quite a few times on the forums.
I would gladly pitch for that book!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 05, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
Another thumbs up (way up) from me if this book completely ignores the EU and the AvP movies.  8)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 05, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
Another thumbs up (way up) from me if this book completely ignores the EU and the AvP movies.  8)

She did mention that it does incorperate the Titan Publishing books, Isolation and Fire and Stone.

But I am willing to bet that it does ignore the old EU which was published from '88 to 2010.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 05, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 05, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
Another thumbs up (way up) from me if this book completely ignores the EU and the AvP movies.  8)

She did mention that it does incorperate the Titan Publishing books, Isolation and Fire and Stone.

But I am willing to bet that it does ignore the old EU which was published from '88 to 2010.

It's pretty much confirmed that the "Old EU" is being tossed, as Sea of Sorrows (which is set 100+ years post-Resurrection) makes no reference to the Big Deletion or anything such as that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Xenomorphine on Sep 05, 2014, 08:00:53 PM
I think it's important to remember that, as SM points out, this book is being written from the perspective of Weyland-Yutani, not the US government (or whichever future government Call gained access to the secret files of).

Anyway, questions! Welcome, Ms Perry and many thanks for contributing what you can for us here! :)

1: Was there any attempt to provide an explanation for why some Aliens have ridged heads and others don't? I've always assumed Cameron's theory made the most sense; that it was reflective of them being older. The old 'caste' theory never seemed to account for why we never saw combinations of the two designs in the same nests. Curious to know if this has been addressed.

2: Think this needs to be asked now... :) Any mentions of events from the 'Colonial Marines' game, like portraying Hicks' survival? Or should this now be officially assumed as 'non-canon'?

3: During research, was there anything which made you completely revise an assumption or theory you previously had about the creatures/events/characters depicted in the films?

4: Was there anything Fox was able to provide you, by way of research, which you found unexpected/surprising?

5: As the book essentially revolves around the creatures, did you contact the late HR Giger before he passed away?

6: Has undertaking a book in this style made you want to do something similar for, say, Predators or another property's villains?

7: If you were suddenly given the time, which section in this book would you like to expand upon the most?

8: Has there ever been a book you've been handed a brief for, which you've thought would be very by-the-numbers, only to find it much more inspiring/fascinating than you could have thought?

9: How much influence did you have over the layout and visual side of things? If you felt something could be better illustrated with a couple of pictures, rather than several hundred words, could you write a note for the editors and say something like, "NEED MAP OF HADLEY'S HOPE COLONY HERE" or "PICTURE OF A CGI DROPSHIP SHOOTING STUFF"?

10: Any news on whether this shall be available for Kindle and other electronic book formats?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 08:17:10 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 05, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
It's pretty much confirmed that the "Old EU" is being tossed, as Sea of Sorrows (which is set 100+ years post-Resurrection) makes no reference to the Big Deletion or anything such as that.

So Alien-Predator essentially got the Star Wars treatment.. I guess I can say.. that's where the franchise ends for me. I liked the old stuff, I liked the old stuff a lot so.. This is.. really disheartening.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 09:32:03 PM
You didn't seriously think they could make a book that could successfully incorporate 25 years worth of conflicting storylines?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:35:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 09:32:03 PM
You didn't seriously think they could make a book that could successfully incorporate 25 years worth of conflicting storylines?

I am not going to be kidding myself and say Yes.. No, that would be stupid. Things like this are inevitable in almost every franchise.

Doesn't mean I have to like the way they're handling it, but it is what it is and who can argue that? No one can.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 09:47:05 PM
Out of curiosity, where did this rumor about Fox rearranging the AVP continuity/canon come from?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:50:52 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 09:47:05 PM
Out of curiosity, where did this rumor about Fox rearranging the AVP continuity/canon come from?

Probably around when details about Fire and Stone were being released, and interviews with Dark Horse writers. Also interviews with the Titan Publishing writers. A lot of sources seem to indicate that it points to all of this.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 05, 2014, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 09:47:05 PM
Out of curiosity, where did this rumor about Fox rearranging the AVP continuity/canon come from?

James Moore, the author of Sea of Sorrows, said that originally Fox had him write the novel with Alien 3 and Resurrection ignored, because Fox was considering retconning them. They later changed their minds. I can get you the links in a moment.

http://forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14610&p=226741&sid=57356f663dbb810419a5ce9c29f8d28f (http://forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14610&p=226741&sid=57356f663dbb810419a5ce9c29f8d28f)

QuoteIn fact it was originally planned that the book would ignore ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION. At that point Fox was very seriously contemplating just pretending that the whole third and fourth movies never existed. I was HAPPY to add them back in because, as flawed as the movies might be, I like parts of both.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 09:52:30 PM
So I get the feeling that this is all still fan conjecture, Fox hasn't officially stated anything?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 05, 2014, 09:54:34 PM
See my edit. It actually seems fairly official. I don't see why Moore would make anything up.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 05, 2014, 09:56:03 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 05, 2014, 07:58:32 PMIt's pretty much confirmed that the "Old EU" is being tossed, as Sea of Sorrows (which is set 100+ years post-Resurrection) makes no reference to the Big Deletion or anything such as that.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.tinypic.com%2F15yjdya.gif&hash=763203256627196b9df862d7d2dfe9a96421fe5c)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 05, 2014, 09:51:16 PM
James Moore, the author of Sea of Sorrows, said that originally Fox had him write the novel with Alien 3 and Resurrection ignored, because Fox was considering retconning them. The later changed their minds. I can get you the links in a moment.

And add to the fact that Dark Horse president Mike Richardson said that they were basically starting over to fit the continuity of Prometheus, really adds weight to the point that the Alien-Predator franchises were either getting the New 52 treatment or, from the looks of it now.. how Disney did the mass retcon for Star Wars.

Quote from: predxeno on Sep 05, 2014, 09:52:30 PM
So I get the feeling that this is all still fan conjecture, Fox hasn't officially stated anything?

I don't think at this point, they don't have to. So far everything is being made clear and cut.. I don't like it as much as you do, PredXeno but.. so far it's looking like the facts are there. If anything, Fox should do what Disney did and put all of that under a "LEGENDS" banner or declare them an alternate universe. But I doubt that would happen.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 09:32:03 PM
You didn't seriously think they could make a book that could successfully incorporate 25 years worth of conflicting storylines?
The problem with this line of thinking is it doesn't "conflict" nearly as much as some might lead others to believe.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Sep 05, 2014, 11:02:33 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 05, 2014, 09:56:03 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 05, 2014, 07:58:32 PMIt's pretty much confirmed that the "Old EU" is being tossed, as Sea of Sorrows (which is set 100+ years post-Resurrection) makes no reference to the Big Deletion or anything such as that.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.tinypic.com%2F15yjdya.gif&hash=763203256627196b9df862d7d2dfe9a96421fe5c)

So many different kinds of Win going on, here.  ;D

I'm actually shocked to hear that Fox was considering 'disowning' A3 and AR. Sure, AR was dumb, but they greenlighted the damn thing. And Alien3, love it or hate it, is too beautiful to be thrown under the bus like that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 05, 2014, 11:37:41 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 09:32:03 PM
You didn't seriously think they could make a book that could successfully incorporate 25 years worth of conflicting storylines?

The problem with this line of thinking is it doesn't "conflict" nearly as much as some might lead others to believe.

I daresay they didn't share that opinion.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
I guess we'll see how it all plays out. :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 06, 2014, 12:49:03 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
I guess we'll see how it all plays out. :)

I don't think you're going to like how it plays out and I sense SM's mustache-twirling machinations to be responsible for it...

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 05, 2014, 09:57:10 PMIf anything, Fox should do what Disney did and put all of that under a "LEGENDS" banner or declare them an alternate universe.

They should declare it all "SMoted."
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Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 12:59:19 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 06, 2014, 12:49:03 AM
They should declare it all "SMoted."

Out of curiosity why shouldn't it be an alternate universe?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 06, 2014, 01:04:04 AM
Who said it couldn't be?
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 06, 2014, 01:10:57 AM
The AVP films and A:CM better not be removed from canon.  For those who know me, you will remember that I'm a criminal justice major; if Fox takes those titles off canon then it sets a VERY dangerous precedent. 

It will ultimately dictate that no matter what, EVERY title can be subject to decanonization based exclusively on popularity, this may include Alien 5 and Prometheus 2 as well.  We all know that countless fans would have been fine purging Alien 3 when it first came out but now that some time has passed, do those same fans still wish it? 

If this corruption is allowed to foster then one day, a fan favorite title may join the list based exclusively on studio popularity, is this something any of us wants?  The very fact that Fox considered purging Alien 3 and A:R is proof that this corruption is already starting to take root.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 06, 2014, 01:10:57 AM
The AVP films and A:CM better not be removed from canon.  For those who know me, you will remember that I'm a criminal justice major; if Fox takes those titles off canon then it sets a VERY dangerous precedent.

What does that have to do something with a realm of fiction?

Quote from: predxeno on Sep 06, 2014, 01:10:57 AM
It will ultimately dictate that no matter what, EVERY title can be subject to decanonization based exclusively on popularity, this may include Alien 5 and Prometheus 2 as well.  We all know that countless fans would have been fine purging Alien 3 when it first came out but now that some time has passed, do those same fans still wish it? 

This is not the first time that some being removing from canon has been based exclusively on popularity. Highlander II was essentially ignored and for the most part rendered moot when Highlander III was released. Infact Highlander III is given the nickname Highlander: The Apology. And then there is the 1998 Godzilla movie which.. OFFICIALLY was retconned, rebranded and even had the titular creature renamed solely because of the take it took and the reaction it had. This really isn't anything new.

Do fans from 1992 still hate Alien 3? Unsurprisingly, yes.. Yes they still do. I've met several hardcore Alien fans and artists who were fans of the franchise and they are still bitter about Alien 3. I know one guy who does nothing but write scripts where Alien 3 is ignored because he wants Hicks and Newt back. I was surprised that Alien 3 and Resurrection were almost purged.

Quote from: predxeno on Sep 06, 2014, 01:10:57 AM
If this corruption is allowed to foster then one day, a fan favorite title may join the list based exclusively on studio popularity, is this something any of us wants?  The very fact that Fox considered purging Alien 3 and A:R is proof that this corruption is already starting to take root.

PredXeno, I feel you and I don't like either but.. This is kind of a common thing for many studios to do. I suppose we should've seen this coming some two, maybe even five years ago. The only thing we can do is either stick with our personal canon, voice our opinion in someway (though I'm sure they will fall on deaf ears) or just move on to a different franchise.

I'm strongly considering on going back to Turtles and Street Fighter. And I've been following the Alien-Predator franchise since I was six years old. Twenty years is a long and good run. Just wish it lasted a little longer.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 06, 2014, 01:28:57 AM
QuoteThe AVP films and A:CM better not be removed from canon.  For those who know me, you will remember that I'm a criminal justice major; if Fox takes those titles off canon then it sets a VERY dangerous precedent. 

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Fox owns Alien, Predator and all related spinoffs and properties.  They can do what they like, for good or ill.  It doesn't matter if you're studying criminal law - there's no crime that's been committed.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 06, 2014, 01:29:18 AM
The dangerous precedent I was referring to is that if Fox gets to erase canon then it will ultimately abuse this power, just look at LucasFilm.  A few years ago, it was dictated that the movies were canon 1 and any Clone Wars TV show (microseries and main series) would be canon 2, now that has been completely altered with the microseries being cast out.  The Force Unleashed was also a very popular storyline and many fans consider it canon (though some choose to ignore TFU2), now there are talks to throw that story out as well.  In all likelihood, what with the new Star Wars trilogy and the multiple standalone films SW fans are promised in the coming years, it is quite likely that the award-winning Clone Wars series, which is considered among the highest canon pier, will be nullified and replaced for future titles as well (just like its predecessors).

If AVP fans give Fox the same power to nullify canon, then the exact same disaster will occur in this franchise as well.  In their desperation to maintain a single canon (one that is affiliated with popular views), fans are not realizing the doom they are guiding this beloved series to; can you imagine a world where Fox allows the newest film/game to be canon, then a few years later nullify that title for the next newest title, and then a few years later nullify the new title for the next newest title?  At some point, Fox will realize that it doesn't need fans to act as the middleman anymore and can simply nullify canon at will (as LucasFilm is now doing), this calamity has already occurred before and we can't let it take this franchise as well; as a fan of this franchise, you can't tell me you don't view this sort of careless behavior toward the canon of a beloved series to be some sort of moral crime against it (if not a legal one).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 06, 2014, 02:05:08 AM
QuoteThe dangerous precedent I was referring to is that if Fox gets to erase canon then it will ultimately abuse this power, just look at LucasFilm.

Disney owns Lucasfilm now and with new film being made - they get to call the shots.

QuoteIf AVP fans give Fox the same power to nullify canon, then the exact same disaster will occur in this franchise as well.

What makes you think fans are in any position to give Fox anything?

QuoteIn their desperation to maintain a single canon (one that is affiliated with popular views), fans are not realizing the doom they are guiding this beloved series to; can you imagine a world where Fox allows the newest film/game to be canon, then a few years later nullify that title for the next newest title, and then a few years later nullify the new title for the next newest title?

Again, fans don't guide anything beyond paying for product.  As for the 'imagine a world' bit - we don't need to imagine it.

QuoteAt some point, Fox will realize that it doesn't need fans to act as the middleman anymore and can simply nullify canon at will

They did that over 20 years ago when they made a movie that made a bunch of comics completely redundant.  Then they did it again, when they made another movie that made all the rest of the comics completely redundant.  I don't know what you're talking about with fans being 'middlemen'?

Quoteas a fan of this franchise, you can't tell me you don't view this sort of careless behavior toward the canon of a beloved series to be some sort of moral crime against it (if not a legal one).

Why should I?  The direction they're taking more or less conforms to the views I've held for over 20 years.

Even if they didn't conform to my views - I'd still maintain my views.  It's just that Fox's would be different.  You could get all melodramatic and say there's a moral crime - some might even agree.  But as long as Fox owns the whole shebang, there's no legal problem and they call the shots.  Not you and not me.

(Oh okay maybe a little bit me).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 02:09:07 AM
One thing is for sure.. Xenopedia is going to have to overhaul their pages a bit. Assuming Quarax or Leigh Burne get a hold of the book and look at the timeline. Or.. they'll just leave the pages as is and have everything posted for sake of completion.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 06, 2014, 02:18:17 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 06, 2014, 01:10:57 AM
The AVP films and A:CM better not be removed from canon.  For those who know me, you will remember that I'm a criminal justice major; if Fox takes those titles off canon then it sets a VERY dangerous precedent. 

It will ultimately dictate that no matter what, EVERY title can be subject to decanonization based exclusively on popularity, this may include Alien 5 and Prometheus 2 as well.  We all know that countless fans would have been fine purging Alien 3 when it first came out but now that some time has passed, do those same fans still wish it? 

If this corruption is allowed to foster then one day, a fan favorite title may join the list based exclusively on studio popularity, is this something any of us wants?  The very fact that Fox considered purging Alien 3 and A:R is proof that this corruption is already starting to take root.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.tinypic.com%2F2mpyl8x.jpg&hash=8cb289704006ebf64cb7f399ae008e7f48182df0)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 06, 2014, 02:20:13 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 02:09:07 AM
One thing is for sure.. Xenopedia is going to have to overhaul their pages a bit. Assuming Quarax or Leigh Burne get a hold of the book and look at the timeline. Or.. they'll just leave the pages as is and have everything posted for sake of completion.

What did Wookieepedia do when Disney decanonised stuff?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 02:22:13 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2014, 02:20:13 AM
What did Wookieepedia do when Disney decanonised stuff?

They had slapped on a label called "legends" and then added category tabs which had previous canon information in a separate tab. So basically, all the canon stuff which was kept is abbreviated, where as everything else is in a separate tab and had legends slapped on the top.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Sep 06, 2014, 02:22:29 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 02:09:07 AM
One thing is for sure.. Xenopedia is going to have to overhaul their pages a bit. Assuming Quarax or Leigh Burne get a hold of the book and look at the timeline. Or.. they'll just leave the pages as is and have everything posted for sake of completion.

Yeah, a lot of our pages on stuff from the AVP films, novels, and comics aren't very good.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 02:25:50 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Sep 06, 2014, 02:22:29 AM
Yeah, a lot of our pages on stuff from the AVP films, novels, and comics aren't very good.

I actually left a topic on the forum which no one answered but now, I doubt that it matters.

Assuming you or Leigh Burne get this book, what kind of mass changes can we expect for Xenopedia? If any changes are going to be made whatsoever?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 06, 2014, 02:28:09 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 02:22:13 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2014, 02:20:13 AM
What did Wookieepedia do when Disney decanonised stuff?

They had slapped on a label called "legends" and then added category tabs which had previous canon information in a separate tab. So basically, all the canon stuff which was kept is abbreviated, where as everything else is in a separate tab and had legends slapped on the top.

Simple enough solution.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Sep 06, 2014, 02:31:41 AM
SM, clear your damn PM inbox.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 06, 2014, 02:40:41 AM
Geez, alright...
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Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 06, 2014, 04:53:02 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 06, 2014, 12:49:03 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
I guess we'll see how it all plays out. :)

I don't think you're going to like how it plays out and I sense SM's mustache-twirling machinations to be responsible for it...
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 05, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
I guess we'll see how it all plays out. :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: redalert51 on Sep 06, 2014, 05:17:37 AM
Looks good , But where , one can purchase The Weyland-Yutani Report Collectors Edition . I have browsed on Amazon ; Now information as yet , So where could one purchase a copy ?..
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 06, 2014, 05:19:10 AM
The Collector's Edition is being sold through Sideshow, it's available on their website.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Vrastal on Sep 06, 2014, 05:42:50 AM
is there a significantly cheaper version of this book?

i might have to wait for the pages to be put on the internet somewhere
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 06, 2014, 06:00:58 AM
yes, let's talk pirating while the author of this book is in this thread GUY
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: sd perry on Sep 06, 2014, 06:47:03 AM
Hi, everyone! If you didn't post a question to me, you may want to skip this whole comment. I tend to ramble. :)

A general note on canon, which may answer a bunch of questions--bear with me if you know this already, as I'm sure many of you do: it would be all but impossible to create a consistent universe for any franchise, or explain every contradiction therein. The Aliens universe has movies, books, comics, video games, more movies, etc. Editors quit or move on, publishing rights change hands, directors have their own ideas (and since movies are where the big bucks are, they will inevitably win), writers don't have time to read a tenth of everything, and there are ALWAYS financial considerations... it's inevitable, if a movie makes money, more of them get made. If one or more of the sequels tanks financially, or is so badly executed that fans hate it, the mother company--in this case, Fox--is likely to politely ignore it, and focus on the cool franchise aspects for the next project, which is not always successful. This makes canon flexible, as contradictory as that seems. I don't have an inside line to Fox or anything, but have worked in a number of universes (Aliens, AvP, Predator, Star Trek, Resident Evil, etc.) and I find that this is usually the case.

predexo, watching something you felt to be canon getting shot down is rough--it sucks to have one's choices made for them--but thankfully, in this day and age, we get to keep copies of the things we care about. Whether or not someone else says it's legitimate, who cares? That shouldn't change how you feel about the movie/book/whatever. It's your right to enjoy what you enjoy, and if the Man makes bad decisions, it's your right to take your money elsewhere.

Other stuff:
- At the moment, Aliens has its own universe, Predator has its own, AvP has its own. That may change, but again, I don't know anything. For this project, I was strictly in the Aliens universe.
- Hicks does mention in passing that there were already some Marines at Hadley's Hope. That is a reference to one of the new novels, I was asked specifically to put it in.
- Would I write a book narrated by Morse? Sure, if asked. Morse is hilarious.
- I didn't know anything about the new Prometheus movie, except that I was asked not to speculate (much) about the alien's origins in this book. Well, I know one thing, but if I spilled, I might be flayed alive.
- For the timeline, I was told to always defer to the movies as canon, and occasionally the movie novelizations for additional detail. So, comics, original works, and games were mostly left out, except for a few references I was specifically asked to put in, to help promote some of the newer projects. I wasn't asked to exclude anything. I'm not actually sure how it finally turned out, as there were several uber fan continuity checkers hired on to look for mistakes.
- Using the actor names for the characters was an Aliens thing, so when I had characters with only a last name listed, I put in the actor's first name. I didn't know if Fox would sign off on it, but they did. My editor, Chris, who was awesome, BTW, also thought it was a good idea.

Xenomorphine, lots of questions! You get your own section. I'll go by number. I would cut and paste the questions, but last time I did something like that I totally messed it up and looked like an idiot. Hopefully you'll remember the questions from context.

1. Let's see... alien shape is based on the host's DNA, you already know that. We didn't discuss age-related morphological changes in this book. As SM mentioned earlier in a comment, this book is a Company report, and while they have plenty of theories, they don't know everything about the aliens...
2. ...Or Hicks! I'm not privy to everything canon--there are so many projects connected to the universe, contradictions occur all of the time--but as I may have said earlier, the editors that work in established universes try to focus on what really works, ignoring stuff that won't support their project. We're always struggling (writers, editors, game makers) to define and make sense of an ever changing universe. Every new movie adds or contradicts. The universe is so big, there's a lot of room to just make up new stuff, which happens plenty. 
3. I've been doing Aliens related novelizations since I started writing, 20+ years ago, so nothing surprised me, really, though I had to take my vague assumptions and firm 'em up with some actual science. This was a pretty research-intensive project. I learned some neat stuff, though, mostly about insects.
4. Fox wasn't involved until after I wrote the first draft... I was asked to include some references to the new Titan books and the new game, asked to take out a detail here or there for style's sake, but nothing unexpected. The Fox contact, Josh, was very nice, and super enthusiastic.
5. I did not contact Mr. Giger... again, this is a Weyland-Yutani report, not a definitive encyclopedia on aliens. Plus, I wouldn't have had the nerve!
6. Yes. Writing for big franchise universes is tough-- there's so much that you have to try not to contradict--but Predators are wicked cool. I think if this book does well, Fox is open to doing something similar in the Predator and/or AvP universes, but again, don't quote me. No promises were made! :) As a mostly work-for-hire writer, I'll write whatever... Aliens, Xena, My Little Pony. Preference doesn't really play a part, and I'm not at a level where I get to pitch book ideas.
7. Hmm... If I had to do more, probably Resurrection, just for symmetry's sake. I was not a fan of the movie, and of course, the USM ran the experiment, not the Company, so they (WY) were very dismissive of the whole thing. There's less detail there than elsewhere. If I got to pick for fun, I'd do more with the prisoners on Fury 161. Just cuz.
8. No. I've had to write fast (did a novelization once in 21 days; for me, that's fast) and have certainly at times been sloppy, especially at the beginning of my career, but if I couldn't appreciate the source material, understand what makes it magical to some people, then I wouldn't be very good at my job. I know that paint by the numbers writers exist, but I don't know any personally. To write contract work professionally, one must always embrace the inspiration, IMHO. If I can't, I'm at least a decent enough writer to fake it.:) Luckily, I'm an Aliens fan.
9. I had some influence over layout, but in a very roundabout way. My editor sent me some of the movie images, then I came up with a general script. He and I went back and forth on that, trying to strike the right tone, trying to give format and opportunity to the artists. The artists made art, and it went back to us, finding or writing text that would fit, captioning things. It was a very interactive experience. So I played a part in the final look, but really, a very small one near the beginning.
10. Once I turn in a final draft, and all of the last minute touches have been made, I have NO IDEA what happens next. Some writers, presumably the smart ones, find out everything they can about when their work comes out and how much and what format; me, I like to write, and not much else. I'm a terrible business person. I'd love to see it on my Kindle, though!

Sorry if I talk too much, everyone. I appreciate your questions, and will check back in sometime this weekend, to see if there are more. If I missed your query, sorry, and please feel free to ask again; I forget stuff. And thank you for inviting me to share!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 07:12:11 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 06, 2014, 06:47:03 AM
Other stuff:
- At the moment, Aliens has its own universe, Predator has its own, AvP has its own. That may change, but again, I don't know anything. For this project, I was strictly in the Aliens universe.

...So there IS something of an Alien-Predator Multiverse after all? And people said I was crazy when I tossed around the idea on a thread! But as you said, it is for the moment and maybe subject to change so... This kind of gives me some hope.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 06, 2014, 08:43:53 AM
Quote
predexo, watching something you felt to be canon getting shot down is rough--it sucks to have one's choices made for them--but thankfully, in this day and age, we get to keep copies of the things we care about. Whether or not someone else says it's legitimate, who cares? That shouldn't change how you feel about the movie/book/whatever. It's your right to enjoy what you enjoy, and if the Man makes bad decisions, it's your right to take your money elsewhere.

Thanks sd perry, your words make me feel better; sorry for ranting a bit on your thread, I just don't want to see many of the franchise's stories (especially yours ;)) get replaced by new stories that will probably follow the exact same fate.  Enough about that though, I am really looking forward to your Wey-Yu Report and I hope to get the Limited Edition, have no idea how I'm going to pay for it though. :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 08:55:47 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 06, 2014, 08:43:53 AM
Thanks sd perry, your words make me feel better; sorry for ranting a bit on your thread, I just don't want to see many of the franchise's stories (especially yours ;)) get replaced by new stories that will probably follow the exact same fate.

Dude, I don't think you have to worry about that since she did mention that each of the three franchises were essentially their own separate universes. It's kind of like what I said in the multiverse thread, when you think about it. At least.. I think that's what is now going on here as far as what SD Perry said. I think the Xenopedia wikia should consider that.

Again, thanks for clearing some things up and answering our questions, SD. Also I want to say thank you to you for co-writing AvP: Prey with your father, without it.. I wouldn't have passed 7th grade literature and made it to 8th grade in my years of middle school back in 2001 to 2002. Also, AvP: War had also helped high school fly faster back then, especially on bad days. Many thanks!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: sd perry on Sep 06, 2014, 07:32:12 PM
I hear there will be a standard edition out, eventually, which will cost a lot less.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Sep 06, 2014, 08:08:45 PM
I noticed in your interview you said you used "wiki sites" for research; does that include Xenopedia, and, if it does, is that where you got the G1 designation from? :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 06, 2014, 09:44:53 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 07:12:11 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 06, 2014, 06:47:03 AM
Other stuff:
- At the moment, Aliens has its own universe, Predator has its own, AvP has its own. That may change, but again, I don't know anything. For this project, I was strictly in the Aliens universe.

...So there IS something of an Alien-Predator Multiverse after all? And people said I was crazy when I tossed around the idea on a thread! But as you said, it is for the moment and maybe subject to change so... This kind of gives me some hope.
It's a licensing thing - the USCM Tech Manual was only licensed to use material from the first 2 movies, for example. Some video games are only licensed to use stuff from the Alien movies, or the Predator movies, but not AvP. In the grand scheme of fictional universes, though, they're all one singular universe, though.
A good example is the upcoming Fire and Stone comics - we know for a fact that although there's 4 separate storylines (Aliens, Predator, AvP, and Prometheus), they all happen in the same "universe" and influence each other.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 07, 2014, 07:26:06 AM
Out of curiosity, how many here are buying the $325 limited edition?  I REALLY want it but may end up not buying it due to the price, however if other people get it then I may conform to peer pressure and buy it too.  So please, put the peer pressure on me. ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 07, 2014, 07:35:19 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 07, 2014, 07:26:06 AM
Out of curiosity, how many here are buying the $325 limited edition?

I am not buying it because I CANNOT buy it due to the fact that within a week, I have to start packing for another move and so far I haven't picked out a place to live yet due to eviction, and the fact that 325 dollars is really money I can't spend as money at this point in my life as well as my family's is something which is top priority.

Food and shelter have to come first.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2014, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 06, 2014, 06:47:03 AMpredexo, watching something you felt to be canon getting shot down is rough--it sucks to have one's choices made for them--but thankfully, in this day and age, we get to keep copies of the things we care about. Whether or not someone else says it's legitimate, who cares? That shouldn't change how you feel about the movie/book/whatever. It's your right to enjoy what you enjoy, and if the Man makes bad decisions, it's your right to take your money elsewhere.

Very well said, this is exactly how I feel about it. Just because something is declared outside the official 'story', that doesn't mean I have to suddenly stop enjoying it.

Incidentally, thank you for answering all these questions we have, it's certainly appreciated!

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2014, 02:25:50 AMAssuming you or Leigh Burne get this book, what kind of mass changes can we expect for Xenopedia? If any changes are going to be made whatsoever?

I will absolutely be getting a copy, aside from anything else I'm very excited to give it a read. I really hope the standard edition is a more reasonable price, because I don't want to have to justify spending £200 on a book...

As for any potential changes to the site, I can't really answer that until I've seen what's in the report :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 06, 2014, 09:44:53 PM
It's a licensing thing - the USCM Tech Manual was only licensed to use material from the first 2 movies, for example. Some video games are only licensed to use stuff from the Alien movies, or the Predator movies, but not AvP. In the grand scheme of fictional universes, though, they're all one singular universe, though.

The CMTM was written before Alien: Resurrection was released but it did in fact use material from Alien 3.

Aliens: Colonial Marines and Alien: Isolation were both licensed to use material from Alien, Aliens and Alien 3. However both games also feature elements (albeit very small nods) from Prometheus. A:CM also featured the hypersleep tubes from A:R.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2014, 11:26:55 AM
Quote from: sd perry on Sep 06, 2014, 07:32:12 PM
I hear there will be a standard edition out, eventually, which will cost a lot less.

Glad to hear it.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 07, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 06, 2014, 09:44:53 PM
It's a licensing thing - the USCM Tech Manual was only licensed to use material from the first 2 movies, for example. Some video games are only licensed to use stuff from the Alien movies, or the Predator movies, but not AvP. In the grand scheme of fictional universes, though, they're all one singular universe, though.

The CMTM was written before Alien: Resurrection was released but it did in fact use material from Alien 3
Technically... it didn't. ;)

It makes really loose, offhand references to 'Alien3', but you'll notice that the book doesn't mention any specific names or places related to 'Alien3', nor does it mention specific events. There's an interview posted online somewhere with Lee Brimmicombe-Wood where he explains that he was only allowed to use material from 'Aliens' when writing the book, and the only reason there's even data from 'Alien' in the book (the Nostromo, the Narcissus) is because 'Aliens' mentions it early in the movie.

Edit-- found the interview (http://www.alienexperience.com/forum/index.php?topic=2848.0). Here's the relevant bit:

QuoteQ: How did Fox get involved, and at what point did this occur?

A: I presume Fox got involved when my publisher negotiated the license. Much to my chagrin I soon discovered that Boxtree had only bought a license for the second movie. That was frustrating, as I'd hoped to fill out the book with material from the first and third movies. However, when Fox's licensing division in Beverley Hills began to read drafts of the manual they had kittens. A whole section of the final chapter referenced the events of the third movie, and went into all sorts of detail about Alien morphology. That had to be scrapped because it wasn't covered by the license. In the end I had to cut the final chapter down by half and restrict mention of the third flick to an oblique reference.

Fortunately, Fox were prepared to stretch things a little with regards to the first movie. As various events and items from Alien, such as the Nostromo, were mentioned in the sequel, I was allowed to drop those into the book. But a big article on the escape pod from the third movie, done originally for the magazine, was left out.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 01:26:30 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 07, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
Quote
But a big article on the escape pod from the third movie, done originally for the magazine, was left out.

Really? Because my copy of the CMTM has almost 3 pages devoted to the Alien 3 EEV/escape pod.  ???
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2014, 01:31:30 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 01:26:30 PMReally? Because my copy of the CMTM has almost 3 pages devoted to the Alien 3 EEV/escape pod.  ???

Yeah, I think he must be mistaken, because that article is definitely in the book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 01:34:28 PM
Do you have the Titan 2012 edition of the book HuDa or an older one?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
The reprint.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 01:43:52 PM
Same here. Could be that it was added back in the reprint although I doubt it. Maybe someone with an original copy could confirm?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: DemonicD13 on Sep 07, 2014, 02:03:10 PM
"- Hicks does mention in passing that there were already some Marines at Hadley's Hope. That is a reference to one of the new novels, I was asked specifically to put it in." SDP

Wait what? did I miss something? I have not read the new books from Titan yet, is there yet another group of Marines sent to Hadley's Hope? Are they really sent before Hick's group?

Are they turning the invasion of Hadley's Hope into another action "We don't leave Marines behind" piece?

All other material makes it look like a desperate fight to survive for the colonists, more of a horror story.

What's next are we going to be told their were Marines on the Nostromo?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2014, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: DemonicD13 on Sep 07, 2014, 02:03:10 PMWait what? did I miss something? I have not read the new books from Titan yet, is there yet another group of Marines sent to Hadley's Hope? Are they really sent before Hick's group?

It's referring to the third book (not released yet), River of Pain.

I'm assuming obviously, but I figured it doesn't literally mean another squad was sent in before Gorman and co., but that there were a few Marines posted there for security while the colony got established. That seems pretty reasonable.

Of course I could be wrong and there could be another entire unit gone MIA.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: DemonicD13 on Sep 07, 2014, 03:14:06 PM
I thought book 2 was set after Alien Resurrection? Is their any consistence in these new novels?

I hope your right about just having a few Marines stationed there, otherwise I'd say this is getting a little ridiculous.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2014, 03:20:03 PM
They've released them out of chronological order.

I partly suspect it might be because the third will reference the events of Alien: Isolation, and so they've held it back until after the game has come out. But that's just a wild guess.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
The previews for Dark Horse's new Alien comic series also show Colonial Marines on LV-426 prior to Aliens.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 07, 2014, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 01:43:52 PM
Same here. Could be that it was added back in the reprint although I doubt it. Maybe someone with an original copy could confirm?
I'll check my copy when I get home, but I don't recall anything about the EEV in my copy and I've got a first edition.  If they did add the EEV article back in, that's a pretty good reason for me to buy the reprint. My first edition copy is in readable but heavily used condition, although I did get it signed by Lance Henriksen so I'm in no rush to get rid of it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: gabgrave on Sep 07, 2014, 05:21:13 PM
Technically, there could have been marines in the colony acting as security guards, considering how WY owns the corps and uses them as their buzz boys. We don't know whether there's a platoon or just a squad of marines though.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2014, 05:27:16 PM
if REMF Marines hold the same connotation that it does now then these Marines are most likely the kind of Marines that would stay on base.  Maybe to facilitate information or repairs to combat arms Marines to or from battle. 




Spoiler
In the comic sequence that shows them a couple get whacked pretty easily not showing a real flair for combat. 
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But then again REMF might have a totally different meaning in the future. 

I don't like the idea that WY has that much power to station Marines where they want them to go.  WY or its employees wouldn't be trying to sneak things past ICC quarantine if they could control military bodies. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Xenoegg on Sep 07, 2014, 05:32:33 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 07, 2014, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 01:43:52 PM
Same here. Could be that it was added back in the reprint although I doubt it. Maybe someone with an original copy could confirm?
I'll check my copy when I get home, but I don't recall anything about the EEV in my copy and I've got a first edition.  If they did add the EEV article back in, that's a pretty good reason for me to buy the reprint. My first edition copy is in readable but heavily used condition, although I did get it signed by Lance Henriksen so I'm in no rush to get rid of it.

Its in the original CM Technical Manual  too,the only difference from the Magazine is the name of the EEV,  Type 337 in the book,in the Magazine BD-409.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
Quote from: gabgrave on Sep 07, 2014, 05:21:13 PM
Technically, there could have been marines in the colony acting as security guards, considering how WY owns the corps and uses them as their buzz boys. We don't know whether there's a platoon or just a squad of marines though.

WY doesn't actually own the USCM corps. Aliens has a non-commissioned officer and lowly "grunt" override a Junior WY Executive and Special Projects Director.

The USCM corp are a branch of the armed forces of a sovereign nation, not PMC's.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2014, 10:13:46 PM
Pages 127 to 129 of the CMTM talk about the EEV.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2014, 10:23:32 PM
Does this new book even tell us anything about the EEV?  Last thing I want is a repeat of the CMTM's technical mistakes.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 07, 2014, 11:12:14 PM
Wait, so are both the original and reprint versions of the CMTM the same or are there differences? ???
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2014, 11:14:08 PM
No differences.  The EEV stuff was always there.  As Xenoegg said, the version in the CMTM is an edit of the piece that appeared in the DH UK Aliens mag.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Sep 07, 2014, 11:23:54 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 07, 2014, 11:12:14 PM
Wait, so are both the original and reprint versions of the CMTM the same or are there differences? ???

I'm pretty sure the only differences are that the reprint has an extra page (probably just legal stuff) and the original has more colors.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 07, 2014, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2014, 10:23:32 PM
Does this new book even tell us anything about the EEV?  Last thing I want is a repeat of the CMTM's technical mistakes.
What sort of technical mistakes?

Also including the EEV still isn't a direct A3 "reference", since the book doesn't have any images from A3. It's just an article about the escape pods that the Sulaco happens to have.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2014, 11:55:39 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 07, 2014, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2014, 10:23:32 PM
Does this new book even tell us anything about the EEV?  Last thing I want is a repeat of the CMTM's technical mistakes.
What sort of technical mistakes?
Deja vu... (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49604.msg1818848#msg1818848)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 08, 2014, 02:33:30 AM
Fair enough, yeah I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of stuff fixed. :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: gabgrave on Sep 08, 2014, 04:05:59 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2014, 05:55:27 PM
WY doesn't actually own the USCM corps. Aliens has a non-commissioned officer and lowly "grunt" override a Junior WY Executive and Special Projects Director.

The USCM corp are a branch of the armed forces of a sovereign nation, not PMC's.
I'm pretty sure it was stated in one of the novels that "The Company owes the Corps." Doesn't mean that they literally work for the company, but if the company has a hand in the governing of the sovereign nation, and WY is stated to be THE company in the earth sphere, it can 'influence' the higher level decisions of a sovereign nation. Sure, they stepped over Bruke in the heat of the moment, but if he had the chance to contact company HQ the marines would be jumping before they can ask how high. It's about the same situation as an UN force.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
The Company has no official jurisdiction over the USCM.  They can be called upon to protect US interests in space - and while WY is not only global, but interstellar - we might assume the the UA/ US arm of the company oversaw Hadley in conjunction with the ECA.

The Company has their own military personnel as seen at the end of Alien3.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 04:26:19 AM
If WY influenced anything it would be behind the scenes.  Lubing some top Generals bank account so that he might send assets one way or another. 


A grunt isn't going to give a good goddamn what some suit says to him. 

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 04:30:56 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 08, 2014, 06:55:27 AM
In AVP2010, Karl Bishop Weyland reveals that the Marines source their weapons from Wey-Yu and that the Corps and Weyland are "old friends"; this would imply that Wey-Yu may have some controlling interest in the Corp, it would certainly explain how the Marines are always around when the Company needs them.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 06:57:58 AM
But like so many inconsistencies in non-film sources - that isn't supported by A:CM.

Those crazy Weylands.  I mean Bishops.  I mean... nevermind.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 08, 2014, 07:25:18 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 06:57:58 AM
But like so many inconsistencies in non-film sources - that isn't supported by A:CM.

Alternate universes, SM. Separate but parallel alternate universes.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 08, 2014, 07:35:42 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 04:26:19 AMIf WY influenced anything it would be behind the scenes.  Lubing some top Generals bank account so that he might send assets one way or another.

Exactly this.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 07:46:00 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 08, 2014, 07:25:18 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 06:57:58 AM
But like so many inconsistencies in non-film sources - that isn't supported by A:CM.

Alternate universes, SM. Separate but parallel alternate universes.

Perhaps for you.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
It just doesn't work that way for us so far. In fact, they've always actively been shown to retcon things to fix - Hicks and Newt into Billie and Wilks, Res with the Big Deletion. I'm not against multi-verse. I like different continuities, it allows for some degree of flexibility but it's just not how they've done the A/v/P/P EU so far.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 08, 2014, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
I'm not against multi-verse.

That's.. surprising to hear you of all people say that. I would've assumed you be against it. I have to ask you this one, Hicks but precisely why are not against the idea of an Alien-Predator multiverse?

If you ask me, I think this is something Fox should implement. I mean, Halloween has alternate timelines, Godzilla has an implied multiverse.. Why shouldn't Alien-Predator?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
I like different continuities, it allows for some degree of flexibility but it's just not how they've done the A/v/P/P EU so far.

Exactly how certain can we be that 25 years along with two crossovers of storytelling is jettisoned out? I mean I know you brought up the whole Wilkes and Billie, as well as the Big Deletion retcons. Unless I am taking SD's statement out of context, and I am hoping that I am not, but exactly how certain are we that this is a major retconning similar to what Star Wars went through and not a whole new universe?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 09:49:06 AM
As far as I can tell/ say, Fox are actively trying to form a single continuity across multiple media, rather than letting the comics do their thing, games do their thing, and books do something different again.

I don't believe you'll ever hear Fox actively categorise the media that predates this as 'Classic' or 'Legacy' or 'Multiverse' though, and the writers themselves aren't interested in such categories either.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2014, 11:00:08 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 08, 2014, 08:35:45 AM
That's.. surprising to hear you of all people say that. I would've assumed you be against it. I have to ask you this one, Hicks but precisely why are not against the idea of an Alien-Predator multiverse?

I've been a sci-fi fan since I can remember. Multiple universes and continuities are no strangers to me. I'm not against one because I feel that A/v/P/P is missing that unified feeling that I felt the earlier Bantam books/DH comics had. And I liked that feeling. I love the way the Titan, DH and CA efforts are shaping up in being connected. I'd prefer they just said it's a new continuity and crack on with it.

QuoteIf you ask me, I think this is something Fox should implement. I mean, Halloween has alternate timelines, Godzilla has an implied multiverse.. Why shouldn't Alien-Predator?

I think it should. I think it'd make things cleaner for the new authors having a brand new continuity. It wouldn't harm the old one because it still exists and there's nothing stopping me from enjoying it - even if the new efforts wouldn't include anything from them.

But that's just not the approach Fox is taking.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 11:37:47 AM
What approach?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2014, 12:03:13 PM
Retconing to fit in with one big universe - well, it's the approach that has always been taken like with the Big Deletion.

I like that an effort is being made to keep all the new media - Isolation, Fire & Stone, Titan novels - in one coherent continuity but without some official comment (even if just from DH or etc) on them being a new continuity, the old stuff is always going to be there and associated with and the cause of potential issues.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Xenoegg on Sep 08, 2014, 01:41:52 PM
Besides the alien earth war Problem, we had since prometheus the Problem that the SJs are no elephant like creatures which was shown in the older comics and avp r  ;).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 08, 2014, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 09:49:06 AM
As far as I can tell/ say, Fox are actively trying to form a single continuity across multiple media, rather than letting the comics do their thing, games do their thing, and books do something different again.
It's always been that way, FOX is just being more proactive in keeping things unified now.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 04:59:14 PM
The way they "tried" to keep things together was lazy and halfassed.


Wilks having Drake, Vasquez, and Hudson in his squad.  The Aliens still being on earth post Earth War and somehow the deletion of technology stops them from existing.......nevermind the fact that 200 years isn't enough time for people of earth to forget anything.  People aren't going to stop telling stories or keeping records just because their computers went down.  Never mind the fact that all these other corporations had caches of aliens off planet anyways.  And a memory eating computer virus wouldn't affect old technology that didn't have computers in them.  Took them back to the stoneage.  Right. 


The Weyland family owns the corps yet they need armies of personal security, mercenaries, and combat androids in Alien 3, AvP 2, AvP 2010, A: CM, to pull off their plans. 

The problem was and has been (maybe not now but I have my doubts) been that for the EU Fox has never really cared about their EU concerning Aliens franchise.  If they did they would have multiversed it along time ago or not come up with some of the stories they did.

Everybody looking for an Alien needed to only go to earth.  Or LV1201.  Or one of a dozen other overrun planets.

The EU has always been its own thing for me. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Sep 08, 2014, 06:37:57 PM
Here's one of the artists: https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-R-Mullaney-illustration/106948306047099 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-R-Mullaney-illustration/106948306047099)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 08, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
I'm not sure Fox really is fixing AVP canon as many think, this isn't the first time they tried to reboot the series, all one needs to do is look up John Shirley's interviews on this forum for Predator: Forever Midnight.  Fox wanted to reboot the franchise with its new line of DH Press novels but nothing ever came of it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 08, 2014, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 08, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
I'm not sure Fox really is fixing AVP canon as many think, this isn't the first time they tried to reboot the series, all one needs to do is look up John Shirley's interviews on this forum for Predator: Forever Midnight.  Fox wanted to reboot the franchise with its new line of DH Press novels but nothing ever came of it.

That much is true, but I also don't remember Fox trying to promote the hell out of that attempted reboot as well.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 04:26:19 AM
If WY influenced anything it would be behind the scenes.  Lubing some top Generals bank account so that he might send assets one way or another. 

A grunt isn't going to give a good goddamn what some suit says to him.

Would've been interesting to see how different the "nuke the site from orbit" conversation may have been if Gorman had been conscious at the time.  Ripley probably got lucky that it was a rank-and-file grunt who was suddenly in charge of the mission, versus a pushover like Gorman or some other bought-and-paid-for officer.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 08:16:58 PM
I never got the impression that Gorman was bought though.  Just an inexperienced LT that Burke might've pulled some strings to get in place so he could try and manipulate or maybe just an inexperienced LT like most platoons have already.

He wasn't leadership material but he did seem to have decent moral fiber when it came down to it.

Plus contrary to popular relief you only have to follow LEGAL orders.  Bringing an alien specimen back trying to avoid ICC quarantine would strike me as illegal so any Marine could've stopped Gorman if he made that mistake.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 08:45:20 PM
If I were writing the bio for Gorman, I'd say his daddy was a moderately powerful exec at the company, but generally regarded by the corps as a dickhead with a silver spoon (and a corncob) up his ass.  Burke then pulled some strings with a USCM colonel that was in the company's pocket and got him assigned to the mission as a favor to Gorman Sr.

Yeah, I read a lot into Burke's line: "You had your chance, Gorman!"
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 08, 2014, 08:46:15 PM
According to the novelization, the reason an inexperienced Gorman was put in charge was because the higher-ups were too cheap to get someone better.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 08, 2014, 08:48:52 PM
I thought it implied Gorman engineered it because of his inexperience. The CMTM said the same.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 08:51:20 PM
I didn't get the impression that Gorman was in a position to engineer much of anything.  I figured he just was the beneficiary of nepotism and honestly wanted a chance to prove himself, but he couldn't help being a product of his upbringing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 08, 2014, 08:53:04 PM
Service personal don't get paid by the hour. Most likely the top brass thought it was a downed transmitter or something, so why not just send in the green lieutenant and a bunch of scraps.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 08:56:52 PM
That would have been my impression as well if it weren't for the vibe I got any time I saw Burke interacting with Gorman.  It wouldn't surprise me if Gorman was instructed not to ask too many questions and to look the other way if it seemed like Burke was up to something shady.

Mods, feel free to split this discussion if it veers too far off-topic.  I don't know how much of this is relevant to the book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 08, 2014, 09:04:02 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 08:56:52 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if Gorman was instructed not to ask too many questions and to look the other way if it seemed like Burke was up to something shady.

Burke was acting on his own though. The company wasn't aware of Burke's machinations.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 09:08:37 PM
An LT is the private of the officer corps with college education.  A 2nd lt is going to be very inexperienced and it usually takes them awhile as a first lt before they start finding their footing. 

I've never met a 2nd lt that was worth a damn that wasn't enlisted first.   

Gorman's cluelessness just happened to be a byproduct of the way we have our system set up.  You are basically putting a college educated private in charge and saying run dis shit. 

This looking at it from the military perspective. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 08, 2014, 09:04:02 PM
Burke was acting on his own though. The company wasn't aware of Burke's machinations.
It's deja vu all over again. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44709.msg1833381#msg1833381)  Mind you, I'm not saying that whoever gave Gorman his marching orders was in on the whole thing, just the part about ignoring Burke's shenanigans.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 09:08:37 PMThis looking at it from the military perspective.
And I'd agree if Burke's line hadn't given me the impression that it went deeper than that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 08, 2014, 09:09:56 PM
In response to the question of whether or not we'll be buying the Report, there's no way I'm spending $300+ on it, but I will pick up the cheaper standard version when it comes out.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 08, 2014, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 08, 2014, 09:04:02 PM
Burke was acting on his own though. The company wasn't aware of Burke's machinations.
It's deja vu all over again. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44709.msg1833381#msg1833381)  Mind you, I'm not saying that whoever gave Gorman his marching orders was in on the whole thing, just the part about give Burke a wide berth.

Burke was a junior executive in the Company so he might have had a certain amount of pull himself. Enough to reinstate Ripley at the very least. Or even to give Gorman's bank account a lube job.

But I would prefer to go with Occam's razor rather than cooking up wild conspiracy theories. If the company was involved why not just send in their own PMC's? Why involve a third-party at all? Before they arrived at LV-426 even Burke wasn't sure if the comm blackout had anything to do with his request to check out Ripley's co-ordinates.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 09:35:50 PM
The way Burke phrased it, it sounded like it was someone else at the company who agreed to pick up Ripley's flight contract.  Maybe they did it at Burke's behest with no questions asked.  I don't know.  I'm not saying that whoever did it was in on it. If anyone was in on it to any degree, I'd say it was someone in the bioweapons division who was expecting a specimen of "something interesting."

The company didn't have free rein over the colony.  They owned a lot of the assets there and employed a lot of the settlers, but the colony itself was governed by the ECA.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 08, 2014, 09:50:24 PM
I'm not saying this is the case, but that assumes that W-Y doesn't have a lot of pull with the ECA. It could have been "governed" by the ECA on paper, but in practice W-Y could have been running the show.

Like, let's say for a moment that Burke's scheme worked and he got an Alien through quarantine. W-Y has a new toy to play with, but there's still an ECA-governed colony that's been wiped out by an exploded atmosphere processor and 158 dead colonists. Someone's obviously going to start asking questions.

To be honest I always got the impression that "The Company" was so powerful that they could do whatever they felt like without any real repercussions from "the government".


Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 04:59:14 PM
The way they "tried" to keep things together was lazy and halfassed.


Wilks having Drake, Vasquez, and Hudson in his squad.  The Aliens still being on earth post Earth War and somehow the deletion of technology stops them from existing.......nevermind the fact that 200 years isn't enough time for people of earth to forget anything.  People aren't going to stop telling stories or keeping records just because their computers went down.  Never mind the fact that all these other corporations had caches of aliens off planet anyways.  And a memory eating computer virus wouldn't affect old technology that didn't have computers in them.  Took them back to the stoneage.  Right. 


The Weyland family owns the corps yet they need armies of personal security, mercenaries, and combat androids in Alien 3, AvP 2, AvP 2010, A: CM, to pull off their plans. 

The problem was and has been (maybe not now but I have my doubts) been that for the EU Fox has never really cared about their EU concerning Aliens franchise.  If they did they would have multiversed it along time ago or not come up with some of the stories they did.

Everybody looking for an Alien needed to only go to earth.  Or LV1201.  Or one of a dozen other overrun planets.

The EU has always been its own thing for me. 
The problem is this assumes "canon" and "continuity" are synonymous, and they're not. Two completely contradictory things can be "canon".
Heck, we have that situation without even bringing up the EU. Which version of 'Alien3' is "canon"? They've each got contradictory, mutually-exclusive scenes. Or 'Alien', which also has two versions. Or really any of the movies, although 'Alien3' is the most extreme case.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 08, 2014, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 08, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
I'm not sure Fox really is fixing AVP canon as many think, this isn't the first time they tried to reboot the series, all one needs to do is look up John Shirley's interviews on this forum for Predator: Forever Midnight.  Fox wanted to reboot the franchise with its new line of DH Press novels but nothing ever came of it.

That much is true, but I also don't remember Fox trying to promote the hell out of that attempted reboot as well.
To be entirely fair, FOX hasn't been using the word "reboot" at all. Even in this very thread, S.D. Perry said that there was nothing she was told to exclude in her book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 09:56:00 PM
I have no doubt that the company greased a lot of palms, but a formal ICC inquest is probably something that the company would like to avoid.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 08, 2014, 09:56:50 PM
QuoteThe company didn't have free rein over the colony.  They owned a lot of the assets there and employed a lot of the settlers, but the colony itself was governed by the ECA.

That's true but what was to stop the Company from sending in their own "security" to check out the comms blackout? I'm sure the USCM Corp would actually have preferred that - save them the hassle and manpower.

And if there was some ECA legal red tape preventing that they could still have sent them in covertly on a supply ship.

The impression I got was that it was the USCM's job to check-up or assist colonies that fall under ECA and US/United America's jurisdiction. So why not just cheap-out and let them do the dirty work? It's probably just another downed transmitter, right?


Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 08, 2014, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 09:56:00 PM
I have no doubt that the company greased a lot of palms, but a formal ICC inquest is probably something that the company would like to avoid.

Unless it's all basically toothless.

Kinda like the real-life 2008 financial crisis, where even though there were actual no-shit for-serious government investigations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Crisis_Inquiry_Commission) into who/what caused it and why, not a single person ended up in prison and the worst punitive measures any companies saw were slap-on-the-wrist fines.

This is probably highsight speaking due to the world we live in now, but I'm surprised any of the characters were shocked by the Company's "crew expendable" edict.
We live in a world right now where no one would be surprised by a company not giving a shit about the lives of random citizens in the pursuit of profits. Just look at the BP oil disaster in the gulf (where, again, not a single person went to jail and the fines were a slap on the wrist at best), to name another example, and that's one where people actually died as a direct result of corporate negligence in pursuit of profits.

Maybe the idea of a corporation being cartoonishly evil was shocking for audiences in 1979, but here and now in The Year Of Our Lord 2014 where companies literally get away with whatever they want in our real-life day to day lives, the idea of an interstellar megacorporation so huge that people just call it "The Company" and everyone immediately knows what you're talking about being essentially omnipotent in the face of the government doesn't seem all that far-fetched in context.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 10:20:07 PM
QuoteThat's true but what was to stop the Company from sending in their own "security" to check out the comms blackout?

The ECA.

QuoteRetconing to fit in with one big universe - well, it's the approach that has always been taken like with the Big Deletion.

I like that an effort is being made to keep all the new media - Isolation, Fire & Stone, Titan novels - in one coherent continuity but without some official comment (even if just from DH or etc) on them being a new continuity, the old stuff is always going to be there and associated with and the cause of potential issues.

You will know what Fox considers canonical going forward by what is included and what is omitted.

Quote from: Quarax on Sep 08, 2014, 06:37:57 PM
Here's one of the artists: https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-R-Mullaney-illustration/106948306047099 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-R-Mullaney-illustration/106948306047099)

The APC took over 100 hours to complete.  That probably doesn't include the emails going around discussing where things go and how a transaxle works.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 08, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 10:20:07 PM
QuoteThat's true but what was to stop the Company from sending in their own "security" to check out the comms blackout?

The ECA.
Maybe, maybe not. See above.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 08, 2014, 10:08:27 PMUnless it's all basically toothless.

Ripley and Burke didn't seem to think it was toothless.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 08, 2014, 10:40:17 PM
Ripley, sure, she's an individual who was being used as a scapegoat and nearly got nailed to the wall. Why would Burke care, though?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 10:45:40 PM
Because he's expendable too.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 08, 2014, 10:48:27 PM
What gave you the impression that Burke cared about the inquest findings, aside from the possibility of him losing access to Ripley as she's led away in handcuffs?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 10:51:16 PM
I was referring to his reaction to Ripley's threats later on in the movie.

Just to clarify, I think we're at odds as to just how much regulatory power the ICC has over the company and its employees.  My guess is, quite a lot.  Assuming the company can't keep it quiet and/or bribe its way out of trouble.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 08, 2014, 11:03:30 PM
QuoteI was referring to his reaction to Ripley's threats later on in the movie.
Fair enough. In that regard I agree - he's expendable too. But I maintain that the Company as a whole would escape any real punishment, and I think that'd be the case even if there weren't a convenient scapegoat like Ripley or Burke.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 11:05:48 PM
If the ICC had no real power, Burke wouldn't have needed to smuggle the specimens back.  And they could've ignored the ruling that removed Ripley's license.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 11:23:25 PM
Does the book cover any of this?  :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 11:29:44 PM
I submitted an 11 page essay on that very subject, but the editor politely declined to include it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 11:32:53 PM
Can we ever see that essay?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 11:34:24 PM
Yes.


And by yes I mean, no.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 11:35:03 PM
Because they own it or because you're being a poopy head?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 11:35:22 PM
The US government turns a blind eye to lots of corporations activities, but intentionally failing to see some of their shady practices and being scared are two different things.

Orona makes this point in the series.  Governments hammer still bigger than corporate. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 11:35:03 PM
Because they own it or because you're being a poopy head?

Because I was obviously joking.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2014, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 11:35:03 PM
Because they own it or because you're being a poopy head?

Because I was obviously joking.

The fact that I took that joke seriously says a lot.  Not sure what it says, but it definitely says it.  :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 08, 2014, 11:59:48 PM
it says that a man who only likes the second star wars movie out of the original trilogy cannot trust his own mind
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 12:35:09 AM
First and second.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 09, 2014, 02:12:44 AM
Jedi is my favorite of the three. Empire is the best movie of the three, but I have the most fun with Jedi and it's got my favorite music out of any of the three.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2014, 03:53:40 AM
they are all excellent.



tell local trouble to stop taking this thread off topic

>:(








;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 03:58:29 AM
Ms. Perry's dad wrote Shadows of the Empire.   Just sayin'...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 09, 2014, 04:07:35 AM
And he was also the lead singer of Journey in the '80s.  True story.



























;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 04:19:13 AM
A man of talents both myriad and manifold.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2014, 07:14:18 AM
Alright, let's steer the topic back to W-Y Report.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/10608617_700358893372701_499143284690882336_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/10694190_702534589821798_1616338381679462744_o.jpg)

I'm loving the looks of these. Can't really read the text unfortunately but still looking badass.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 09, 2014, 07:28:16 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 08:51:20 PMI didn't get the impression that Gorman was in a position to engineer much of anything.

I meant to say Burke engineered it, because of Gorman's inexperience. Whoops :)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2014, 07:14:18 AMAlright, let's steer the topic back to W-Y Report.

I'm loving the looks of these. Can't really read the text unfortunately but still looking badass.

They do look awesome. Eagerly awaiting news of the standard edition.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2014, 07:32:19 AM
I never realised how much I didn't know about the APC layout until John was researching it.  Like how there's a gunners seat behind the driver and the two seats to the right of the door as you enter.  Stuff that's all there in the film that I'd seen a millions time but I'd never really paid close attention to.

Ditto the upside In-tray behind the driver.

I think it was Graham who came up with the idea to store the sentry gun units in the hull behind the seats near the door.

And if you look really closely the video monitors are actual screencaps from the film.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 09:11:13 AM
Is Internecivus raptus still a thing or has that been retconned as the USM's name for the species?  I see no reason why the two designations can't co-exist, but I'm sure we can find a way to turn it into a debate.

As for those cutaways, Ms. Perry just told us that this book was written a few months after the events of AR.  Does that old USCM hardware still exist?  For that matter, does the USCM still exist?  I'd have thought the USM would have absorbed it long ago.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 09, 2014, 11:45:43 AM
Drawing that APC interior must have been a helluva pain-in-the-ass considering that in the film the interior is actually much larger than the exterior and a separate set.

It does look like he shortened the passenger section where the marines sit though.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2014, 11:52:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 09:11:13 AM
Is Internecivus raptus still a thing or has that been retconned as the USM's name for the species?  I see no reason why the two designations can't co-exist, but I'm sure we can find a way to turn it into a debate.

As for those cutaways, Ms. Perry just told us that this book was written a few months after the events of AR.  Does that old USCM hardware still exist?  For that matter, does the USCM still exist?  I'd have thought the USM would have absorbed it long ago.

They have data going back to Prometheus and earlier.  Why wouldn't that have data on USCM hardware?

QuoteIs Internecivus raptus still a thing or has that been retconned as the USM's name for the species?  I see no reason why the two designations can't co-exist, but I'm sure we can find a way to turn it into a debate.

I Raptus was raised, but as Danelle pointed out earlier they liked the XX121 thing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2014, 04:14:20 PM
In the latest novel it is mentioned that the USM was basically just a corrupt government body that was replaced by the original governments after people grew tired of the shade. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 06:51:59 PM
So the USM was basically the UPP by another name?  :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 09, 2014, 08:46:08 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 06:51:59 PMSo the USM was basically the UPP by another name?  :laugh:

Except not communist.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 10:49:04 PM
Just because they weren't overt commies like the caricatures in the Gibson script doesn't mean the USM wasn't a socialist/post-corporatist organization.  Eh, Comrade?  ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 09, 2014, 10:55:00 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 10:49:04 PM
Just because they weren't overt commies like the caricatures in the Gibson script doesn't mean the USM wasn't a socialist/post-corporatist organization.  ;D

I think it was more just a military organization. They stepped in to bring the megacorporations to heel when people got fed up with the likes of W-Y. They then sort of fell into the same abuses once they controlled everything, squandering people's goodwill. I wouldn't call them socialist or anything like that, but Sea of Sorrows is vague enough to see many possibilities.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
Elgyn's remark to Perez about the operation not having been approved by Congress gave me the impression that the USM was just the military branch of the United Systems government.  If that government was formed after some sort of anti-corporatist revolution, I can easily see it being a neo-socialist regime.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2014, 11:30:27 PM
Yeah, it's the military arm of a United Systems government.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 11:34:11 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi60.tinypic.com%2F24mcdtx.jpg&hash=a79e3c147e17801c2b16c664b93b946335ce4c88)

Dat red star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_star).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2014, 11:44:18 PM
 :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 11:47:01 PM
General Perez was obviously a Cuban.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2014, 08:05:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2014, 11:52:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2014, 09:11:13 AM
Is Internecivus raptus still a thing or has that been retconned as the USM's name for the species?  I see no reason why the two designations can't co-exist, but I'm sure we can find a way to turn it into a debate.

As for those cutaways, Ms. Perry just told us that this book was written a few months after the events of AR.  Does that old USCM hardware still exist?  For that matter, does the USCM still exist?  I'd have thought the USM would have absorbed it long ago.

They have data going back to Prometheus and earlier.  Why wouldn't that have data on USCM hardware?
Sure, but is it relevant 200 years later?
Like yeah they're including data on pulse rifles because it's a book written for Alien series fans and they expect to see the guns from 'Aliens', but if it's written 200 years later wouldn't it make more sense to include the guns from 'Alien Resurrection', or at least mention them? Or are the Pulse Rifles mentioned in a sort of "this is the tech of the time period" slant? Because otherwise it'd be like writing a book about American military history from 1776 to today and saying that Civil War rifled muskets were the most effective guns we came up with.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 10, 2014, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2014, 08:05:17 AM...wouldn't it make more sense to include the guns from 'Alien Resurrection', or at least mention them?

Who says it doesn't?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2014, 08:21:44 AM
Because of how the small print on the Pulse Rifle art page is written, it acts as though 200 year old guns are the absolute pinnacle of weapons to use against Aliens, going so far as to list specific grenade variants operators should use for the grenade launcher (as if those wouldn't be historical collector's items 200 years later :P).

Or is the book overall from "post A:R" but certain parts are written from the perspective of other time periods?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 10, 2014, 08:28:11 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2014, 08:21:44 AMBecause of how the small print on the Pulse Rifle art page is written, it acts as though 200 year old guns are the absolute pinnacle of weapons to use against Aliens, going so far as to list specific grenade variants operators should use for the grenade launcher (as if those wouldn't be historical collector's items 200 years later :P).

You've already answered that question. Pulse Rifles are what the fans want to see, not the funky guns from the fourth film (although personally I'd really like some info on those too).

Maybe the book will try and justify its choice of content, maybe it won't.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2014, 08:35:28 AM
Well sure, I was more of asking about the justification in-context.

If we were going to get data on pulse rifles with new full-color pictures and cutaways of USCM vehicles, personally I'd rather see a revised edition of the USCM Tech Manual - at least then all of that stuff would make sense in context without any added effort. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 10, 2014, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2014, 08:35:28 AMWell sure, I was more of asking about the justification in-context.

Actually, having looked at some of the preview images again, the one for the M41A notes that "this detailed report was compiled... following a review of the USS Sulaco's mission to LV-426..." so clearly some of the content is meant to be historical in context.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2014, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2014, 08:35:28 AM
Well sure, I was more of asking about the justification in-context.

That's what I meant when I raised the question.  I just let it go to spare myself a SMackdown.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 11, 2014, 01:13:03 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 10, 2014, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 10, 2014, 08:35:28 AMWell sure, I was more of asking about the justification in-context.

Actually, having looked at some of the preview images again, the one for the M41A notes that "this detailed report was compiled... following a review of the USS Sulaco's mission to LV-426..." so clearly some of the content is meant to be historical in context.
Interesting, so it's a USCM report about Xenomorphs and how to fight them and stuff.

There might be some people that'd say that doesn't jive with 'Alien Resurrection's claim of "no other encounters with Aliens" due to its context.
I wouldn't be one of those people, though. ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: David08 on Sep 11, 2014, 05:37:06 AM
FREAKING AWESOMEEEEE :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Homer on Sep 11, 2014, 05:39:08 AM
Never trusted Jonesy the cat lol
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: a Fan on Sep 11, 2014, 05:43:08 AM
Thanks To HR Giger, For All The Sleepless Nights.
RIP Giger.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Anonymous on Sep 11, 2014, 05:43:08 AM
Interesting speculations... This book does go into Burke's motivation, and how much the Company did or did not know, and a little bit on how they operate. It's not all spelled out, but most fans will get the inferences.

As to the weapons discussion, remember that the report comments on footage/uploads/stolen files that the Company has gathered about this species. They (WY) have more information about the weapons used at Hadley's Hope, because it was a Company installation and transmissions continued at least until the processor blew; plus, the Marines would have received uploads from the APC, the drop ship, the Sulaco, and Bishop. There are newer weapons, of course, but they weren't designed to handle these particular aliens and have not been field tested... Unless you count the crappy guns that the USM used in Resurrection, which obviously weren't particularly effective (they are mentioned, though, briefly). This book was written post Res, and has transmissions and uploads and data from each movie's time period.

I did my best on details, but I'm sure not every question is answered, nor every pet theory validated. I am also a fan, though, and took this book quite seriously, and I hope that shows in the writing. Is it new forever-canon? Or free of mistakes? Not possible logistically, IMO. But it's a respectful, entertaining addition to the universe, and I don't think fans will be disappointed. Of course, I'm biased, I got to see the layout when I did the captions, and it looks very, very cool.

BTW, my dad totally never sang for Journey. But don't stop believing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2014, 07:44:55 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 11, 2014, 01:13:03 AMInteresting, so it's a USCM report about Xenomorphs and how to fight them and stuff.

There might be some people that'd say that doesn't jive with 'Alien Resurrection's claim of "no other encounters with Aliens" due to its context.

Just because they compile a report on how best to fight the Alien, that doesn't mean they've actually been encountering them. They might want to be prepared just in case.

Quote from: a Fan on Sep 11, 2014, 05:43:08 AMUnless you count the crappy guns that the USM used in Resurrection, which obviously weren't particularly effective (they are mentioned, though, briefly).

Glad they're at least mentioned. It would've been nice to get some proper details on them instead of just focussing on the ol' Pulse Rifle again (as much as I'm looking forward to that too).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 11, 2014, 12:30:49 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2014, 07:44:55 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 11, 2014, 01:13:03 AMInteresting, so it's a USCM report about Xenomorphs and how to fight them and stuff.

There might be some people that'd say that doesn't jive with 'Alien Resurrection's claim of "no other encounters with Aliens" due to its context.

Just because they compile a report on how best to fight the Alien, that doesn't mean they've actually been encountering them. They might want to be prepared just in case.
The problem with that is, how would they know to write the report about the Alien, let alone any details about the Alien on which to base their report? Everyone who went to LV-426 is dead.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2014, 12:45:57 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 11, 2014, 12:30:49 PMThe problem with that is, how would they know to write the report about the Alien, let alone any details about the Alien on which to base their report? Everyone who went to LV-426 is dead.

Given how quickly Bishop II and co. rock up on Fiorina, it's s safe bet they got some information sent back while the Hadley's snafu was going on.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 11, 2014, 12:46:52 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 11, 2014, 12:30:49 PM
The problem with that is, how would they know to write the report about the Alien, let alone any details about the Alien on which to base their report? Everyone who went to LV-426 is dead.

I would assume the APC was constantly uploading data (including the marine's video feed) to the Sulaco, at least until it was totaled by the dropship. The Sulaco might also have a recording of the events in the hangar and possibly a debriefing by Ripley. Bishop might also have used his USB port to upload data to the Sulaco mainframe.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2014, 12:49:48 PM
At least something had to have got back to them, because between the second and third films it goes from Burke apparently being a lone agent to the company sending an entire team to snag an Alien.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 11, 2014, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2014, 12:45:57 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 11, 2014, 12:30:49 PMThe problem with that is, how would they know to write the report about the Alien, let alone any details about the Alien on which to base their report? Everyone who went to LV-426 is dead.

Given how quickly Bishop II and co. rock up on Fiorina, it's s safe bet they got some information sent back while the Hadley's snafu was going on.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 11, 2014, 12:46:52 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 11, 2014, 12:30:49 PM
The problem with that is, how would they know to write the report about the Alien, let alone any details about the Alien on which to base their report? Everyone who went to LV-426 is dead.

I would assume the APC was constantly uploading data (including the marine's video feed) to the Sulaco, at least until it was totaled by the dropship. The Sulaco might also have a recording of the events in the hangar and possibly a debriefing by Ripley. Bishop might also have used his USB port to upload data to the Sulaco mainframe.
So despite the Sulaco being a USCM ship and the data (allegedly) uploading to USCM servers or whatever, W-Y still managed to get the data first and be the first-responders to Fury 161?

Also worth pointing out that since the W-Y Report references the USCM Tech Manual, we know for a fact that there's more encounters with the Alien since the last chapter of that book spells one out on the last page. :P
And the Tech Manual confirms that the Derelict wasn't destroyed in 'Aliens', so it stands to reason that the USCM would have done some kind of investigation and sent another team to LV-426 to figure out what happened (even if it wasn't the particular events of Colonial Marines, which I'm not ruling out), which would constitute another Alien encounter.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 11, 2014, 01:01:23 PM
The Sulaco probably transmitted it's data to the USCM HQ. I assume they must have decided to share it with WY (either willingly or via a crooked higher-up in the pay of WY).

Or perhaps WY simply intercepted the transmission and decrypted it themselves, who knows?

WY might not have gotten the Sulaco data first but they did get the data from Fiorina 161 first. The USCM most likely did not even know about the events of Fiorina. The Patna might also have been closer to Fiorina than any of the USCM's assets.

QuoteAnd the Tech Manual confirms that the Derelict wasn't destroyed in 'Aliens'

That was unfortunately retconned by Alien: Resurrection.

Quoteso it stands to reason that the USCM would have done some kind of investigation and sent another team to LV-426 to figure out what happened (even if it wasn't the particular events of Colonial Marines, which I'm not ruling out), which would constitute another Alien encounter.

No doubt they would send in another team to investigate. All that they would have found though is a big crater since all the Aliens and the Derelict were destroyed by the AP blast.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2014, 11:58:43 PM
I have no difficulty believing that everything which occurred prior to the APC's destruction was relayed to the network via the Sulaco.  The company would then have all the confirmation they needed to corroborate Ripley's story.

I can easily believe that Burke could have slipped away and privately sent a transmission of his own after he saw those live facehuggers and his eyes turned into dollar signs.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 12:04:49 AM
Are we really asking about the canonicity of the Wey-Yu Report?  Wow, I forgot how hardcore this forum was, lol. :D

Btw, the Derelict survived the nuclear explosion in Aliens as it showed up in its "official" sequel, A:CM, remember?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2014, 12:10:45 AM
Does this book take A:CM into account?
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 12:28:14 AM
I would find it personally hilarious if it did cause it'll piss off so many fans lol, but in all honesty it probably won't for that exact reason.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 01:06:33 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 12:04:49 AM
Are we really asking about the canonicity of the Wey-Yu Report?  Wow, I forgot how hardcore this forum was, lol. :D


Takes everything as canon.
Says everyone else is hardcore...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:09:36 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 11, 2014, 01:01:23 PM
QuoteAnd the Tech Manual confirms that the Derelict wasn't destroyed in 'Aliens'

That was unfortunately retconned by Alien: Resurrection.
And then it got re-retconned back into existence when the USCM Tech Manual got reissued this year, unchanged (not to mention its presence post 'Alien Resurrection' in AvPClassic in 1999, and again in Colonial Marines last year). :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 02:24:12 AM
I'm starting to hate retcons.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:27:54 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 02:24:12 AM
I'm starting to hate retcons.
They've been around ever since the first standalone story ever told got a sequel. :P

I mean I'm not going to lie, we've seen some wacky retcons in the Alienverse in the last year or so, and the Derelict is the least of them. Hicks not being dead (Colonial Marines), Ripley waking up in between Alien and Aliens (Out of the Shadows), Amanda Ripley going on her own adventure (Isolation), there being Marines on LV-426 pre-Aliens (River of Pain), some Hadley's Hope colonists escaping the planet (Fire and Stone), W-Y completely recovering from whatever dire straits they were in in Resurrection (Sea of Sorrows), etc.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 02:29:10 AM
QuoteI'm starting to hate retcons.

It's generally much less painful if you stick with the flicks.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:30:06 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 02:29:10 AM
QuoteI'm starting to hate retcons.

It's generally much less painful if you stick with the flicks.
But what's the fun in that? ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 02:32:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 02:29:10 AM
It's generally much less painful if you stick with the flicks.

Why do you think I gave up on EU?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 12, 2014, 02:32:42 AM
I admit, many of those scenerios Xenomrph mentioned sound interesting to me. Except for Hicks not being dead. That is angering to me.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:34:34 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 12, 2014, 02:32:42 AM
I admit, many of those scenerios Xenomrph mentioned sound interesting to me. Except for Hicks not being dead. That is angering to me.
The parentheses are the titles in which they happened (or will happen, in some cases - not all of those titles are out yet).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:37:44 AM
It's funny cause if there's already this much anger then this new "reboot" of canon that Fox is planning will probably implode in their faces... again, then all this angst we've been experiencing with this new canon will all be for nothing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 02:39:27 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:34:34 AM
The parentheses are the titles in which they happened (or will happen, in some cases - not all of those titles are out yet).

What scenarios in particular happened? What titles were accounted for?

Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:37:44 AM
It's funny cause if there's already this much anger then this new "reboot" of canon that Fox is planning will probably implode in their faces... again, then all this angst we've been experiencing with this new canon will all be for nothing.

Funny, because I was asking my comic clerk today if the comics were selling like hot-cakes. They are selling but not like hot-cakes. And what angst and anger? I've seen little to none of that. What angst and anger?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 02:40:55 AM
Predxeno can summon enough hardcore angst and anger to account for 10 normal fans.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:43:26 AM
It was implied that not a lot of people are fond of the rewriting the past films concept that Fox currently has going on.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 02:46:12 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:43:26 AM
It was implied that not a lot of people are fond of the rewriting the past films concept that Fox currently has going on.

I most certainly don't like it. But hey.. every fandom goes through retcons.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:47:30 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 02:39:27 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:34:34 AM
The parentheses are the titles in which they happened (or will happen, in some cases - not all of those titles are out yet).

What scenarios in particular happened? What titles were accounted for?
I'm not sure I understand the question? All of the scenarios I listed will have happened once their titles have been released, and all the ones that have been released so far have happened. Hicks lives in Colonial Marines, Ripley wakes up in Out of the Shadows, W-Y comes back in Sea of Sorrows, etc.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:48:24 AM
I still don't get why fans never liked bringing Hicks back from the dead, then again no one ever told me. :(
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:50:27 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:48:24 AM
I still don't get why fans never liked bringing Hicks back from the dead, then again no one ever told me. :(
It wasn't the fact that they did it, it was how they did it.
I don't mind it, but I can see how it could rub people the wrong way. It feels a bit like bad fan-fiction in some ways.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 12, 2014, 02:56:34 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:48:24 AM
I still don't get why fans never liked bringing Hicks back from the dead, then again no one ever told me. :(
Because of...

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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:00:15 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:48:24 AM
I still don't get why fans never liked bringing Hicks back from the dead, then again no one ever told me. :(

Because he was quite clearly, obviously and irretrievably dead in Alien3, and the manner of his return was possibly the most incomprehensibly bad piece of writiing ever associated with an Alien license.  It not only paid no attention to the continuity of the souce material - it paid no attention to its own continuity.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 03:01:44 AM
Am I to take it that this will be our official stance in the continuity rewrites laid out in the future?
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Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 03:02:34 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:47:30 AM
I'm not sure I understand the question? All of the scenarios I listed will have happened once their titles have been released, and all the ones that have been released so far have happened. Hicks lives in Colonial Marines, Ripley wakes up in Out of the Shadows, W-Y comes back in Sea of Sorrows, etc.

I was asking if any of the past EU was accounted for, but it seems I misunderstood your statement.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:03:05 AM
What's "our official stance"?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 03:04:08 AM
Isn't there a totally different Hicks prop in the theatrical cut vs the extended cut?

Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:00:15 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:48:24 AM
I still don't get why fans never liked bringing Hicks back from the dead, then again no one ever told me. :(

Because he was quite clearly, obviously and irretrievably dead in Alien3, and the manner of his return was possibly the most incomprehensibly bad piece of writiing ever associated with an Alien license.  It not only paid no attention to the continuity of the souce material - it paid no attention to its own continuity.

'Alien3' left enough wiggle-room by making his corpse unrecognizable. If they'd left his head intact and just had him impaled through the chest or something obviously unsurvivable, I highly doubt Colonial Marines would have even tried to resurrect him.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 03:02:34 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 02:47:30 AM
I'm not sure I understand the question? All of the scenarios I listed will have happened once their titles have been released, and all the ones that have been released so far have happened. Hicks lives in Colonial Marines, Ripley wakes up in Out of the Shadows, W-Y comes back in Sea of Sorrows, etc.

I was asking if any of the past EU was accounted for, but it seems I misunderstood your statement.
Yeah no, those are all retcons within the last year, from entirely new material that's just come out or about to come out. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 03:05:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:03:05 AM
What's "our official stance"?

Stick with the films?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 03:07:16 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 03:05:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:03:05 AM
What's "our official stance"?

Stick with the films?
He's asking what predxeno means by the phrase.

And we don't have an "official stance", because we're all individuals who can make up our own minds. :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:08:25 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 03:05:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:03:05 AM
What's "our official stance"?

Stick with the films?

Works for me - but I don't know what Predxeno is trying to say.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 12, 2014, 03:09:22 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:00:15 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:48:24 AM
I still don't get why fans never liked bringing Hicks back from the dead, then again no one ever told me. :(

Because he was quite clearly, obviously and irretrievably dead in Alien3, and the manner of his return was possibly the most incomprehensibly bad piece of writiing ever associated with an Alien license.  It not only paid no attention to the continuity of the souce material - it paid no attention to its own continuity.
^ THIS THIS THIS THIS!!! Also, didn't Andrews collect Hicks' military ID tags? I'm sure that the CM and/or WY had to have them for confirmation issues. Also, if you look below the names in the film (ie Lt. Ellen Ripley, unidentified female, etc) the numbers are below the name, SURELY that would have to confirm who the adults fn are.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:11:35 AM
Considering Ripley was comatose, and Hicks' cryotube monitoring equipment was all smashed - that's the obvious and simplest conclusion.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 07:17:41 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 02:48:24 AM
I still don't get why fans never liked bringing Hicks back from the dead, then again no one ever told me. :(

It really hurts me that people don't like me being back.  :-\ But I'll get used to it. *considers changing username again*

But yeah, it seems of late we're getting a lot of retcons. It seems that Fox is really adverse to trying new things again.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 07:22:57 AM
What do you mean?

By definition, retcons are shoehorning "new things" into what has come before and then forcing them to fit by making changes. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 12, 2014, 07:38:42 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 03:00:15 AMBecause he was quite clearly, obviously and irretrievably dead in Alien3, and the manner of his return was possibly the most incomprehensibly bad piece of writiing ever associated with an Alien license.  It not only paid no attention to the continuity of the souce material - it paid no attention to its own continuity.

Yep. It wasn't so much what they did (although the fact they even tried it reeks of lame fan-fiction), it was the hysterically improbable scenario they conjured up to achieve it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 07:17:41 AMIt really hurts me that people don't like me being back.  :-\ But I'll get used to it. *considers changing username again*

"No offence" - Burke
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 07:45:26 AM
QuoteBut yeah, it seems of late we're getting a lot of retcons. It seems that Fox is really adverse to trying new things again.

Possibly because all the new things they've tried in recent years haven't been overly successful?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 07:22:57 AM
What do you mean?

By definition, retcons are shoehorning "new things" into what has come before and then forcing them to fit by making changes. :P

I mean - leaving Ripley alone and not tying everything into the older media.

Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 07:45:26 AM
Possibly because all the new things they've tried in recent years haven't been overly successful?

True enough. Just takes the right people though.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: gabgrave on Sep 12, 2014, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 07:17:41 AM
But yeah, it seems of late we're getting a lot of retcons. It seems that Fox is really adverse to trying new things again.
Fox is jumping in on the Prometheus hype to bring back more Aliens. With the new novels and comics, it's only a matter of time until Alien5.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 07:17:41 AM
It really hurts me that people don't like me being back.  :-\ But I'll get used to it. *considers changing username again*
Nothing personal. As long as you don't have CPL. HICKS L55321 stenciled on the back of your shorts.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 07:22:57 AM
What do you mean?

By definition, retcons are shoehorning "new things" into what has come before and then forcing them to fit by making changes. :P

I mean - leaving Ripley alone and not tying everything into the older media.

Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 07:45:26 AM
Possibly because all the new things they've tried in recent years haven't been overly successful?

True enough. Just takes the right people though.

Out Of The Shadows was much better than it had a right to be.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 12, 2014, 12:34:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 12:27:49 PMOut Of The Shadows was much better than it had a right to be.

It was still hurt by them shoehorning Ripley into it though.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 01:17:42 PM
Quote from: gabgrave on Sep 12, 2014, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 07:17:41 AM
But yeah, it seems of late we're getting a lot of retcons. It seems that Fox is really adverse to trying new things again.
Fox is jumping in on the Prometheus hype to bring back more Aliens. With the new novels and comics, it's only a matter of time until Alien5.
It's less to do with Prometheus and more to do with the 35th anniversary of 'Alien'.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 01:41:01 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 12, 2014, 12:34:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 12:27:49 PMOut Of The Shadows was much better than it had a right to be.

It was still hurt by them shoehorning Ripley into it though.

Indeed - I wasn't saying the new stuff isn't good. I've enjoyed both new novels a lot but the Fox mandated Ripley inclusion hurt Out of the Shadows quite a lot.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2014, 05:24:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 12:27:49 PMOut Of The Shadows was much better than it had a right to be.

Is that an official recommendation?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 07:17:41 AMIt really hurts me that people don't like me being back.  :-\ But I'll get used to it. *considers changing username again*

I only resent you overstepping your authority and nuking stuff.  Afterall, you're just a grunt.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 09:40:22 PM
The inclusion of Ripley should've been a trainwreck. And while there are a number of continuity issues - it wasn't.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2014, 09:40:58 PM
Is it sufficiently explained why Ripley has no memory of the event?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2014, 09:44:22 PM
It's explained.  'Sufficiently' not so much.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2014, 09:51:56 PM
This vexes me.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 10:18:16 PM
Regarding the no memory issue:

Spoiler
Ripley feels so guilty for being gone from Amanda's life for so long and is plagued with nightmares filled with Aliens that she requests that a med-chamber wipe her memory.
[close]
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 12, 2014, 10:48:19 PM
The follow-up question would be, why would she only want the events of 'Out of the Shadows' wiped, and not all of the traumatic stuff like the events of 'Alien' as well?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
I had a colonoscopy a few years ago and was shot up with two drugs for the procedure: Demerol for the pain (which made me feel good) and Verced to essentially make me forget the entire thing.  The Verced worked perfectly because I have no recollection of the procedure even though I was reportedly awake and responsive to questions during that time.  However, it didn't wipe any memories of events that took place prior to that.  Too much information?

Maybe whatever they did to Ripley only worked for recent memories.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 13, 2014, 07:23:19 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 12, 2014, 10:18:16 PMRegarding the no memory issue:

I actually really disliked how Ripely became a blubbering mess by the end of the book. She's shown to be far more mentally strong than that in the films. It didn't seem to fit the character at all.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 14, 2014, 12:37:32 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
I had a colonoscopy a few years ago and was shot up with two drugs for the procedure: Demerol for the pain (which made me feel good) and Verced to essentially make me forget the entire thing.  The Verced worked perfectly because I have no recollection of the procedure even though I was reportedly awake and responsive to questions during that time.  However, it didn't wipe any memories of events that took place prior to that.  Too much information?

Maybe whatever they did to Ripley only worked for recent memories.
I guess that makes sense, as if she wanted them to wipe everything and the process just didn't work as planned and only wiped the recent stuff.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 20, 2014, 12:32:42 AM
Any idea if Mike Lynch was involved in this book?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 20, 2014, 12:59:54 AM
Not directly as far as I know.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 20, 2014, 08:25:16 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
Demerol for the pain (which made me feel good) and Verced to essentially make me forget the entire thing.
Then how do you know what the demerol felt like?  ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 20, 2014, 07:27:41 PM
It took effect before the Verced did.  And it was glorious.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 04:11:28 AM
Not to reopen an old argument, but many people are saying this "canon bible" that is being released is Fox's attempt to reboot the canon and that they are deciding with stories to cut.  Out of curiosity, where did this rumor originate from and how?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 04:50:42 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 04:11:28 AM
Not to reopen an old argument, but many people are saying this "canon bible" that is being released is Fox's attempt to reboot the canon and that they are deciding with stories to cut.  Out of curiosity, where did this rumor originate from and how?

It came from James A. Moore when he had mentioned that Fox was going to be releasing a canon chart. Considering that it came from a very reliable source, and the fact that Fox had considered in dropping Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection... Well, I'd say it's perhaps a little more than a rumor. Lots of signs seem to suggest it. It seems to be greatly affecting the Alien side..

As for the Predator side of things, and that's where I'm most concerned.. Well.. From how I see it, if one is affected-- so is the other.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 05:42:56 AM
Fox - Screwing Alien Fans Since 1992
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 05:54:36 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 05:42:56 AM
Fox - Screwing Alien Fans Since 1992

I don't mind reboots. As a matter of fact I welcome them.. Provided that they are complete start overs. This.. this is more of a mass retcon than anything else. Essentially, this is what Disney did with Star Wars but Fox is doing it with Alien-Predator. You could even argue that this is essentially what G85 did when Toho discarded the Showa era films for the Heisei.. But what Fox is doing can be seen as akin to what G85 did, or that viewpoint is simply wishful thinking.

PredXeno, let me say that I completely feel your frustration and I don't like the mass retcon as much as you do. You can either find something else to be interested in and move on.. or.. apply fanfiction and adhere to fanon and pay no mind to the new canon.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 05:59:06 AM
I was actually wondering what was possessing Fox to consider "retconning" Alien 3 and A:R.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 06:11:55 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 05:59:06 AM
I was actually wondering what was possessing Fox to consider "retconning" Alien 3 and A:R.

Either fan reception or fan pressure. I don't know.

I mean critically speaking, according to Wikipedia.. Alien Resurrection got mixed reviews. And I would think Alien 3 has been forgiven by fans considering the fact that we've got the Assembly Cut.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 06:26:29 AM
What's interesting to note is that if Fox considers Alien: Sea of Sorrows as canon then it'll have to take the AVP films as canon to some extent as well since the book references the movies, specifically AVPR.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 06:31:01 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 06:26:29 AM
What's interesting to note is that if Fox considers Alien:Sea of Sorrows as canon then it'll have to take the AVP films as canon to some extent as well since the book references the movies, specifically AVPR.

Wait.. WHAT?! HOW?!
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 06:40:56 AM
Yeah, lol, it's mentioned that there were rumors that the reason Wey-Yu was so technologically advanced was because it got its tech through alien technology.  Assuming Fox nixes all the Aliens comics and novels that introduces new species of aliens intelligent enough to produce technology then the only alien species that we have met to produce such tech are the Predators and the Engineers; there's the obvious reference to Pred tech in AVPR and how it influenced future human space travel, but there's no evidence at all of human acquisition of Engineer technology especially since their tech is bio-organic.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 06:50:14 AM
This.. I... I am so confused now..  ::)

Can we get a direct quote from the book?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 21, 2014, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 06:26:29 AMWhat's interesting to note is that if Fox considers Alien: Sea of Sorrows as canon then it'll have to take the AVP films as canon to some extent as well since the book references the movies, specifically AVPR.

I don't remember that at all.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 09:07:06 AM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 06:50:14 AM
This.. I... I am so confused now..  ::)

Can we get a direct quote from the book?

"Rumor had it that that the company had made several of their more radical leaps in technology by retrofitting alien artifacts for 'new' advancements."

-p. 84
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 09:20:11 AM
Yup.. I'm even more confused.  :-\
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Sep 21, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
Considering the book also mentions the company have found dozens of alien remains from differing species I would say it's related to that more so than anything from AVPR.

If this new canon bible is real, and at one point Fox were thinking about exorcising 3 and Resurrection, then it's hardly likely Requiem is gonna be included now is it?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2014, 11:10:54 AM
A rumour of non specific advancements from non specific artifacts means AvP:R is canon.

Looks like the ol' predxeno, trying to make something out of nothing magic, is back.  ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 21, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
I think Sea of Sorrows is more referring to things like Arcturian tech and possibly Engineer tech that Galgo brings back after Fire and Stone.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 04:45:25 PM
I've been wondering about that as well.  Do the Arcturians even have tech to begin with?  I don't know if Moore deliberately knew that he was referencing AVPR but I think it's pretty clear that he took inspiration from it since it's the only film to suggest that humans took advantage of alien technology and since this is a VERY small detail in the book, it isn't inconceivable that Fox may have overlooked it when editing the story.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 06:33:53 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 21, 2014, 11:14:07 AM
I think Sea of Sorrows is more referring to things like Arcturian tech and possibly Engineer tech that Galgo brings back after Fire and Stone.

I was thinking that as well since you mentioned it at the Fire and Stone thread.

Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 04:45:25 PM
I don't know if Moore deliberately knew that he was referencing AVPR but I think it's pretty clear that he took inspiration from it since it's the only film to suggest that humans took advantage of alien technology

I haven't read Sea of Sorrows, I have no intentions of reading Sea of Sorrows or even any of the Titan Publishing books. But I have to question this. I know that Moore has said that he has said all of the Alien films, or at least that's why I remember but has he seen any of the AvP films? He hasn't made any indication that he's seen them, at least to my knowledge anyway.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
The thing is, if he wasn't referring to the Predators then who was he referring to in that quote?  Exactly how many different technologically advanced alien species do fans think exist in the Alien universe? ???  I wasn't aware that the AVP franchise had turned into the Star Wars/Star Trek universe.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 21, 2014, 06:55:39 PM
He does say that the Arcturians were the first intelligent life human same into contact with, implying that there were others subsequently. I don't quite see it as Star Trek levels, but it does seem that Moore is setting up a future where humans at least to some extent are in contact with a few alien races.

As far as the AvPR thing, I think the lines about W-Y reverse engineering alien tech are supposed to be a vague allusion to post-Prometheus events where they get some Engineer technical goodies. Heck, even the mysterious "260 years" line gets us a date of 2237, which if we allow for some rounding, is close enough to Fire and Stone's 2219 setting.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 07:47:27 PM
Tbh, the idea of multiple technologically advanced aliens is possibly a worse idea than the AVP movies combined; the EU stories I really detested were the ones where they showed up because they took attention away from the actual stars of the story, the Aliens.  You have a point saying that the Arcturians were the "first" intelligent alien life encountered but I don't think there are dozens of these alien species out there, otherwise the find in the Sea of Sorrows novel would have been of significantly lesser importance in comparison.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 08:03:01 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 07:47:27 PM
Tbh, the idea of multiple technologically advanced aliens is possibly a worse idea than the AVP movies combined

I thought you liked the AvP movies. Especially how you defend Requiem. Mind you I'm not ridiculing you, but.. You kinda confused me there a bit with that little statement.  :-\
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 08:06:26 PM
I never said I liked the first AVP film but I DO like AVPR, however I will admit that upon some reflection AVPR was less set up as a genuine Alien/Predator film and more as a teen slasher flick with mindless gore, dumb teenagers, and sex/rape scenes.  AVPR was the first ever teen slasher I saw so that could have influenced my enjoyment of the story (that and I was already used to reading EU stories that followed a similar genre trend).  I still vouch for AVPR as one of my all-time favorite films but I also understand that if it wasn't the first teen slasher I ever saw then there is a chance I may not have liked it as much as I did when first seeing it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Sep 21, 2014, 08:19:58 PM
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Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 06:40:56 AM
Yeah, lol, it's mentioned that there were rumors that the reason Wey-Yu was so technologically advanced was because it got its tech through alien technology.  Assuming Fox nixes all the Aliens comics and novels that introduces new species of aliens intelligent enough to produce technology then the only alien species that we have met to produce such tech are the Predators and the Engineers; there's the obvious reference to Pred tech in AVPR and how it influenced future human space travel, but there's no evidence at all of human acquisition of Engineer technology especially since their tech is bio-organic.
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 04:45:25 PM
I've been wondering about that as well.  Do the Arcturians even have tech to begin with?  I don't know if Moore deliberately knew that he was referencing AVPR but I think it's pretty clear that he took inspiration from it since it's the only film to suggest that humans took advantage of alien technology and since this is a VERY small detail in the book, it isn't inconceivable that Fox may have overlooked it when editing the story.
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
The thing is, if he wasn't referring to the Predators then who was he referring to in that quote?  Exactly how many different technologically advanced alien species do fans think exist in the Alien universe? ???  I wasn't aware that the AVP franchise had turned into the Star Wars/Star Trek universe.
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Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 07:47:27 PM
Tbh, the idea of multiple technologically advanced aliens is possibly a worse idea than the AVP movies combined; the EU stories I really detested were the ones where they showed up because they took attention away from the actual stars of the story, the Aliens.  You have a point saying that the Arcturians were the "first" intelligent alien life encountered but I don't think there are dozens of these alien species out there, otherwise the find in the Sea of Sorrows novel would have been of significantly lesser importance in comparison.
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 08:06:26 PM
I never said I liked the first AVP film but I DO like AVPR, however I will admit that upon some reflection AVPR was less set up as a genuine Alien/Predator film and more as a teen slasher flick with mindless gore, dumb teenagers, and sex/rape scenes.  AVPR was the first ever teen slasher I saw so that could have influenced my enjoyment of the story (that and I was already used to reading EU stories that followed a similar genre trend).  I still vouch for AVPR as one of my all-time favorite films but I also understand that if it wasn't the first teen slasher I ever saw then there is a chance I may not have liked it as much as I did when first seeing it.
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 08:22:22 PM
Cvalda, I am getting REALLY tired of your small attempts to ridicule me, I am asking you to please lay off these juvenile posts or I will have to take more drastic action.  As I said before, I would never laugh at you no matter what your argument so I am asking for the same courtesy in return.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 08:06:26 PM
I never said I liked the first AVP film but I DO like AVPR, however I will admit that upon some reflection AVPR was less set up as a genuine Alien/Predator film and more as a teen slasher flick with mindless gore, dumb teenagers, and sex/rape scenes.  AVPR was the first ever teen slasher I saw so that could have influenced my enjoyment of the story (that and I was already used to reading EU stories that followed a similar genre trend).  I still vouch for AVPR as one of my all-time favorite films but I also understand that if it wasn't the first teen slasher I ever saw then there is a chance I may not have liked it as much as I did when first seeing it.

I liked the AVP films, and I think we share some of the same outlook that the EU influenced me when I saw the films because there were heavy traces of it in the movie-- such as the blooding ritual, the fact that Predators were breeding Xenomorphs to be used in the hunt, and other stuff. However I will say that AvP-R does have it's flaws and they can't really be ignored. I still like both movies myself and the connections to the EU are there. I grew up with the EU, so maybe that's why I particularly like the movies so much.

I'm not going to lie and say the AvP movies we got are the ones we really wanted. I think that Fox should've taken the gambit and go with Briggs' script. It would've been many fans' wish fulfillment but studio heads kept on changing, there was studio handling involved, and all that stuff.. We didn't get a movie set in space with Marines. But even if we have gotten Briggs' script, would it have really fulfilled our wishes to what we wanted? Hard to say.

Back on topic.. Do I like the retcon which Fox is aiming to execute? HELL NO! But the decision is up to Fox whether we like it or not. Yeah, it sucks that storylines and characters we grew up with and enjoyed may no longer exist in the Alien-Predator universe(s) but like Stephani said.. Enjoy what you enjoy, and if you don't like Fox's decisions, take your business elsewhere.

I'm still contemplating on whether or not from jumping ship. I'm already going back to other franchises and fandom which I like, but Alien-Predator was something I was passionate about. So you're not alone on this PredXeno.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 08:27:54 PM
The first AVP film was enjoyable on the first watch but what I think ultimately ruined any rewatch value is the fact that Paul Anderson copied AVP: Prey's storyline word-for-word and made the film PG-13 instead of the hardcore R that the franchise deserves; I would like the story much better if it were an original one.  Also, Paul Andrerson cheaped out and only included three predators where the original script had five; you can still find out what happened to the missing 2 preds if you read the movie novelization.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Sep 21, 2014, 08:31:14 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 08:22:22 PM
Cvalda, I am getting REALLY tired of your small attempts to ridicule me, I am asking you to please lay off these juvenile posts or I will have to take more drastic action.
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Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2014, 11:10:54 AM
Looks like the ol' predxeno, trying to make something out of nothing magic, is back.  ;D
And he's hellbent on dragging that nothing out to fifty pages of insane interior monologue, as usual
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 09:43:32 PM
You know, I once knew a person who couldn't fit into the community he lived in and thus went to the online world for the support he couldn't find in his real world.  Online, he found people who not only shared his interests but also had a maturity and sophistication to them that seemed to elude the community he lived in; they didn't care about petty things such as gossip, small talk, or teasing, but preferred to talk about the big picture.  Regardless of what disagreements they may have had, the online community always handled things with professionalism, it was perhaps this that drew him into their world and their community.  It's a sad day, indeed, when that person realizes just how many similarities his two worlds share and just how commonplace his once treasured world was.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
He mad?
QuoteYeah, it sucks that storylines and characters we grew up with and enjoyed may no longer exist in the Alien-Predator universe(s) but like Stephani said.. Enjoy what you enjoy, and if you don't like Fox's decisions, take your business elsewhere.


Who cares?  Those stories are still there for you to enjoy.  Why anyone would suddenly crack the shits about Fox going a new direction now, when that's all they've been doing continually for 25 years is a little baffling.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 21, 2014, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Who cares?  Those stories are still there for you to enjoy.  Why anyone would suddenly crack the shits about Fox going a new direction now, when that's all they've been doing continually for 25 years is a little baffling.

Indeed.  Fox has not and never will give a flying f**k about continuity in this franchise.  Unless there is a total reboot of everything don't worry about it.  It really is not worth the trouble trying to get it to all fit in.  Just enjoy the stories the way you normally would and throw up the deuces. 


These are the same motherf**kers that encouraged ACM. 
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 10:06:07 PM
Because this isn't fixing continuity at all, it's worsening it; if Fox just retcons whatever story it likes then it'll pay even less attention to continuity issues because it knows it can just nix conflicting ones. 

Many critically acclaimed and award-winning Star Wars stories have been nixed for the exact same reasons and worse, many of the newer stories that ended up nixing the older ones are of inferior quality and are obvious attempts not to tell a good story but to cash in on a popular franchise, definitely not award-winning or critically acclaimed material.  I stopped buying into Star Wars a long time ago because I knew each new product will be nixed for a newer replacement version, I don't want to have to do the same with AVP.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 21, 2014, 10:08:38 PM
I can't wait for more of the comics and novels to hit shelves, so we actually have stories and things to discuss/review, rather than the endless canon/continuity debates.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2014, 10:20:50 PM
QuoteBecause this isn't fixing continuity at all, it's worsening it; if Fox just retcons whatever story it likes then it'll pay even less attention to continuity issues because it knows it can just nix conflicting ones. 

You say this as if it's anything new.  They released comics in 1988 - they were made redundant in 1992.  They made more comics after that.  They were made redundant in 1997.  More video games and novels came along that ignored Resurrection and Ripley's sacrifice in Alien3.

They're now simplifying eveyrthing down to 5 films and the new batch of comics, novels and video games.  The next Prometheus film could come out and bugger things up again.

I appreciate your disappointment that this elaborate fantasy you concocted where everything with an Alien logo on it was somehow canonical, has been all for naught, but Fox owns the thing and they call the shots.

Ditto Disney with Star Wars.  I read a massive amount of EU stuff for a long time, but I think the prequels made a lot of it redundant.  Their status in continuity doesn't stop some of them being good stories.  I still need to catch up on Fate OF the JEdi and all the stuff that came after, and mean to at some point.  Nevermind their canon status.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 21, 2014, 10:40:07 PM
I'm just now finishing up on the Karen Traviss Republic Commando novels.  I get why some fans hate them (and her), but I actually think they're quite good.  I have no illusions about their canonicity though.

At this point, I take the EU for what it is and cherry pick its better elements to improve my own head canon.  One day I hope to write it all down like John Doe in Se7en.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 21, 2014, 10:40:07 PM
At this point, I take the EU for what it is and cherry pick its better elements to improve my own head canon.

I agree with this and I even commend it.. I've even contemplated on making a fanon-verse.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Sep 21, 2014, 11:02:36 PM
The Alien films are the only "canon" Alien stuff.

The Predator films are the only "canon" Predator stuff.

The AVP films are their own spinoff thing (which is best forgotten).

Going anywhere beyond that is a) taking things way too seriously and b) stupid and delusional.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 21, 2014, 11:17:24 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 21, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 21, 2014, 10:40:07 PM
At this point, I take the EU for what it is and cherry pick its better elements to improve my own head canon.

I agree with this and I even commend it.. I've even contemplated on making a fanon-verse.

I agree, it's the best way to maximize enjoyment of the material and minimize headaches.

But everyone can do what they want. The problem comes, as it always does, in trying to convince people on the Internet of one's point of view.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2014, 11:23:31 PM
Why do people on the internet need convincing?

Just read what you like, however the common point of reference as of now will be detailed in the WYR.

As there is at least one more movie in the works, this is open to change.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 11:26:59 PM
I think the only time this comes into conflict is when someone tries to explain a movie through the lens of the EU or AVP films only to have someone else call out "not canon".
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 21, 2014, 11:34:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2014, 11:23:31 PM
Why do people on the internet need convincing?

Just read what you like, however the common point of reference as of now will be detailed in the WYR.

As there is at least one more movie in the works, this is open to change.

My point was a bit unclear: I don't think people need convincing at all. The problems come when people try to do just that. That's when topics devolve into canon debates and people get their feelings hurt.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2014, 11:46:10 PM
Indeed.

QuoteI think the only time this comes into conflict is when someone tries to explain a movie through the lens of the EU or AVP films only to have someone else call out "not canon".

If people do that now, they'll actually have a point.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 11:59:17 PM
I doubt it, at one time Alien 3 was "not canon", an opinion that frugal can't be trusted at all, let alone be in charge of anything.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2014, 12:02:39 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 21, 2014, 11:59:17 PM
I doubt it, at one time Alien 3 was "not canon", an opinion that frugal can't be trusted at all, let alone be in charge of anything.

You should take steps.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 12:04:01 AM
Steps to what?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2014, 12:24:25 AM
To achieve your objective.  Drastic measures, if necessary.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2014, 12:34:33 AM
'We have to take steps..."
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-sxMMYxYxeI8%2FTiGbQaEx1TI%2FAAAAAAAAHQE%2FoqMxeu_3SPQ%2Fs1600%2Fabyss2.jpg&hash=8fe40042f43860def3faefd611261888c46e633f)

QuoteI doubt it, at one time Alien 3 was "not canon", an opinion that frugal can't be trusted at all, let alone be in charge of anything.

When was Alien3 "not canon"?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 12:51:31 AM
Before the AVP films were released, Alien 3 not being canon was all anyone could talk about.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Sep 22, 2014, 12:54:38 AM
Define "anyone" -- yourself and other internet fanboys don't count.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 12:58:17 AM
Cvalda, your lack of maturity is matched only by your stupidity, as I said multiple times I am a retconner, meaning I consider everything as canon, Alien 3 included.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2014, 01:10:16 AM
QuoteBefore the AVP films were released, Alien 3 not being canon was all anyone could talk about.

Rubbish.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 01:23:52 AM
That's exactly what I said, personally I think the AVP movies were so bad in the eyes of fans that it actually made them think Alien 3 was good in comparison and thus ended that little debacle.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Sep 22, 2014, 01:26:33 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 12:58:17 AM
Cvalda, your lack of maturity is matched only by your stupidity
Says the dude with the AVPR set, posting countless pages of nonsense about the canonicity of a science fiction franchise.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 01:27:43 AM
Says the guy who takes every opportunity he can to ridicule the aforementioned dude.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Sep 22, 2014, 01:29:53 AM
The Passion of the Predxeno
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 01:30:44 AM
lulz
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RidgeTop on Sep 22, 2014, 01:31:12 AM
Knock it off, both of you. No personal attacks.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 01:32:23 AM
Who is this guy?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2014, 01:36:43 AM
Is calling Cvalda a guy a personal attack?

QuoteThat's exactly what I said, personally I think the AVP movies were so bad in the eyes of fans that it actually made them think Alien 3 was good in comparison and thus ended that little debacle.

No, what you said was rubbish.  The odd person here and there saying they didn't think Alien3 was canon because they didn't like it doesn't amount to "all anyone was talking about".
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 02:03:55 AM
Actually, everyone at PlanetAvP was saying it when I was there, it was MUCH more than the odd person out, let me assure you.  I remember very specifically because that was the reason I chose to drop the "EU is not canon" belief.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2014, 02:05:47 AM
Ah, that'd explain it.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 02:08:05 AM
Explain what; my lack of belief in non canon or why there were so many Alien 3 non canoners?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 02:13:38 AM
The people that wanted Alien 3 removed from canon were very active on both PAVP and IMDB.



But those people are still in the hundreds.  Hollywood doesn't cater to a group that low in numbers, there is no profit in it. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 02:18:20 AM
Isn't the "AVP is not canon" crowd also in the hundreds?  I imagine most AVP fans are agnostic so they really couldn't care less.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2014, 02:20:51 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 02:08:05 AM
Explain what; my lack of belief in non canon or why there were so many Alien 3 non canoners?

PlanetAvP was shit.  It's not surprising it had more than its fair share of idiots.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 02:21:56 AM
Lol, well if it hadn't then I may very well have converted to the "EU is not canon" side like you guys. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 02:23:51 AM
mang you can believe what ever you want to believe


The only thing I was saying is that Fox doesn't give a shit one way or another. 


Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2014, 02:49:06 AM
They do at the moment.  Whether that will last or not, who knows.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 02:58:17 AM
I don't expect that it will. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 22, 2014, 04:00:07 AM
Personally.. I'm just sticking with the old stuff. Don't want anything to do with the new.

Only thing which is keeping me going is Shane Black's movie.. Of course my enthusiasm had dropped when I found that it was a sequel and not a reboot. Question is, what's it going to be a sequel to out of the movies? Aaaaah.. That's what we're all wondering now. And if Shane's movie is something I may not agree with..

As heretical as this is to say if I don't agree with what Shane may have.. I pray for a full on reboot, at least on the Predator side of things. But I trust Shane enough with the franchise. I hope that faith isn't misplaced.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 04:12:37 AM
I think Shane's sequel has a good chance of "rebooting" the franchise away from Predators. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Sep 22, 2014, 04:14:09 AM
If it doesn't get put into turnaround by Fox before then, of course.


Which it probably will.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 04:15:26 AM
NO HOPE FOR THE FRANCHISE ALL DOOM


PROMETHEUS SEQUELS FOREVER
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Cvalda on Sep 22, 2014, 04:20:49 AM
 :'( Don't even joke about that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Vrastal on Sep 22, 2014, 04:44:26 AM
wow so much negativity.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2014, 05:09:40 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 02:03:55 AM
Actually, everyone at PlanetAvP was saying it when I was there, it was MUCH more than the odd person out, let me assure you.  I remember very specifically because that was the reason I chose to drop the "EU is not canon" belief.
What? No we weren't. Most people were screaming "comics aren't canon!" Did you never read the "Ask Me Anything About ALIENS" thread?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 05:18:02 AM
Sil came from PAVP?



Bruh. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 22, 2014, 06:28:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2014, 10:20:50 PM
I appreciate your disappointment that this elaborate fantasy you concocted where everything with an Alien logo on it was somehow canonical, has been all for naught, but Fox owns the thing and they call the shots.
FOX has been calling the shots for years, and you were singing a very different tune when they were saying other things were canon as well.
Not that I'm complaining, your new EU-inclusive outlook is pretty refreshing and I heartily support it. :)

I'm waiting to see how much of the "old EU" the new stuff actually wipes out. I remember people talking about how the DH Press novels or the 2009 relaunch comics would abandon the "old EU", and then they ended up doing the exact opposite and directly referenced the old EU. Whoops! :P
I wouldn't be surprised if they took the new Star Wars "canon" approach, where old stuff is "not canon" but could be referenced and reactivated as "canon" by new stuff. I'd be pretty okay with that I think.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 22, 2014, 07:17:27 AM
Okay guys and girls - if we're going to turn this into an EU/canon thread then please start a new one.

Predxeno, please read what others are saying instead of ignoring the issue and frustrating people.

Cvalda, that doesn't give you permission to be a dick. And it happens too frequently from the looks of it. Please enjoy a 7 day sabbatical and come back with a different attitude.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2014, 08:14:25 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 05:18:02 AM
Sil came from PAVP?



Bruh.
Heck yeah. I was one of the staff members for a while, even. A group of us have a Skype group chat going that's been on for the last ... 6 years?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 22, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
Wow, that escalated  :o

At least, if most people overlook the canon thing a bit, you can still enjoy the book for it´s looks :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Russ on Sep 22, 2014, 10:37:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2014, 05:09:40 AM
What? No we weren't. Most people were screaming "comics aren't canon!" Did you never read the "Ask Me Anything About ALIENS" thread?

I searched for that thread. And couldn't find it. Then I realised it was probably on the other forum.

This is another of today's many epic fails on my behalf. I should have stayed in bed....
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: gabgrave on Sep 22, 2014, 01:26:44 PM
Not meaning to add oil to the fire but...
Damn, I left PAVP back in 2004, and they're STILL talking about Alien3? :o ::)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 22, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
Topic guys. Please make a PAvP thread elsewhere.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 03:12:07 PM
Bringing things back to topic, not many people answered my original question; is anybody planning on buying the $360 collector's edition?  I'm undecided.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 22, 2014, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 03:12:07 PM
Bringing things back to topic, not many people answered my original question; is anybody planning on buying the $360 collector's edition?  I'm undecided.

There's no chance that I spend that much. Hopefully the regular edition is more reasonably priced, because I love these table-top sort of books.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2014, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 22, 2014, 03:12:07 PM
Bringing things back to topic, not many people answered my original question; is anybody planning on buying the $360 collector's edition?  I'm undecided.

I'm holding out for the platinum-trimmed, diamond-encrusted edition with the foreword by SM.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 22, 2014, 05:46:44 PM
I want SM dogtags. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Vrastal on Sep 23, 2014, 01:51:26 AM
Is ther going to be a cheaper version? substantially cheaper hopefully
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 23, 2014, 02:46:02 AM
Yes, there's going to be a retail version but I don't know if the $360 version will have things the retail won't, to be honest.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 23, 2014, 03:10:43 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Sep 23, 2014, 01:51:26 AM
Is ther going to be a cheaper version? substantially cheaper hopefully

To my knowledge there are no immediate plans.  But I'd be surprised if that didn't change.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 23, 2014, 07:35:42 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 23, 2014, 03:10:43 AMTo my knowledge there are no immediate plans.  But I'd be surprised if that didn't change.

Didn't Perry herself say on here that she believes a cheaper version is on the way?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 23, 2014, 08:00:24 AM
To my knowledge.

SD might know otherwise.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 23, 2014, 11:16:54 AM
As I stated it many times already, there is the standard edition hardcover coming for round about 50 $

I guess since Sideshow is included with producing the CE cover (which makes it practically my first Sideshow release  ;D ), they wanted to announce the CE first, even though that the standard book was always scheduled first. At least that´s what my contract said.

But patience, it was now an ongoing process for a while and a few weeks more waiting time should not lower the fun.

Cheers
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 23, 2014, 11:18:27 AM
There you go then.

When one works for nowt, one doesn't have fancy schmancy contracts.



;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 23, 2014, 11:59:29 AM
Yeah I'm definitely not dropping the coin on the super expensive version.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 23, 2014, 01:42:46 PM
Well, but I still can offer a signed one for 500   :P   :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 23, 2014, 09:27:02 PM
Quote from: locusta on Sep 23, 2014, 11:16:54 AM
As I stated it many times already, there is the standard edition hardcover coming for round about 50 $

Shit, the standard version is $50!!! :o  This "Report" better be truly in-depth.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 23, 2014, 10:19:53 PM
Depends on ones "definition" of truly and "in-depth".

I seem to recall Alien Vault being at least $50, so what's the big deal?
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 24, 2014, 12:04:55 AM
What I'm saying is I hope there's an actual analysis of the Alien here rather than a simple rehash of what we already know; IMO, this is why Alien: Sea of Sorrows didn't do as well as it could have, every plot twist provided was pretty much focused on an aspect of the Alien that fans already know such as the life-cycle, Queen, etc.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Vrastal on Sep 24, 2014, 01:24:00 AM
As long as the 50$ has the same info and hopefulyl pictures ill be happy. Even if its not in some awesome fancy schmancy giant alien necronomicn bible book
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 01:27:46 AM
QuoteWhat I'm saying is I hope there's an actual analysis of the Alien here rather than a simple rehash of what we already know;

Like what?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 24, 2014, 01:37:20 AM
Like Alien: Sea of Sorrows.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 01:53:33 AM
Like what "actual analysis"?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 24, 2014, 02:31:15 AM
The Aliens RPG book did some good work analyzing the creatures and the world they lived in.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 24, 2014, 02:34:12 AM
Sounds like you want this book to embellish a lot.  I don't think that's its purpose.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 02:42:09 AM
The RPG made lots of stuff up for the purpose of gameplay - the Aliens needed rules for how to act within the realm of the game. It couldn't be left speculatory.

Like the sign says this is a report on WYs interactions with the Alien.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2014, 07:30:31 AM
Quote from: locusta on Sep 23, 2014, 11:16:54 AMAs I stated it many times already, there is the standard edition hardcover coming for round about 50 $

Great, thanks much more reasonable. Be getting a copy for sure!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 24, 2014, 04:55:36 PM
Then what would be the point of spending $50 for a book that regurgitates everything we already know?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2014, 05:35:52 PM
I didn't realise you'd read it already and knew everything that was in it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 24, 2014, 05:47:21 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Sep 24, 2014, 04:55:36 PM
Then what would be the point of spending $50 for a book that regurgitates everything we already know?

I expect that it'll be an extremely gussied up and arduously fact-checked summation of everything Fox deems canon at this point.  That's worth $50, is it not?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 24, 2014, 05:54:35 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2014, 05:35:52 PM
I didn't realise you'd read it already and knew everything that was in it.

I didn't, but it seems to be the general opinion around here that the book won't have anything new for fans, that would be disappointing because what made the Aliens RPG book and the Aliens Technical Manual entreat was that it further explore the universe of the Aliens be discussing things the movies were incapable of describing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 24, 2014, 06:03:09 PM
At this point, I want the writers of such books to just stick to the established canon facts and stop making dubious shit up that future movies will only ignore anyway.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 24, 2014, 06:08:52 PM
I don't think that's what this book will be about tbh, not for a $50-$360 price tag.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2014, 06:16:57 PM
You're forgetting this is a niche thing. The price was always gonna be higher.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 24, 2014, 07:02:46 PM
The CE will have an excerpt from Morse's book so I think it's safe to say there will be some bonus material here in some way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
I don't believe the content will change.  Just how it's presented.

I wonder if predxeno would be so mad if this just regurgitated everything we already knew about the comic books...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 24, 2014, 10:07:17 PM
I would enjoy seeing a predxenomrph version of this book and how it ties in all of the seemingly contradictory EU material with geometric logic.  I imagine it would be quite large.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 10:10:15 PM
John Doe library size...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 24, 2014, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
I don't believe the content will change.  Just how it's presented.

I wonder if predxeno would be so mad if this just regurgitated everything we already knew about the comic books...

I would if I had to pay $50 for information already in my head. :-\
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 24, 2014, 10:29:27 PM
You have to pay for this?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
Isn't this book worth it for the artwork alone?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Sep 25, 2014, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
Isn't this book worth it for the artwork alone?

I hope so ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 25, 2014, 12:26:18 PM
I haven't really been following the thread, but I know you did the cover for the special edition. Did you do any of the interior stuff?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: locusta on Sep 25, 2014, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
Isn't this book worth it for the artwork alone?

I hope so ;)

Did you finish your dog alien for the book?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Vrastal on Sep 25, 2014, 07:04:36 PM
I hope theres some amazing artwork in the standard edition too
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 25, 2014, 07:31:50 PM
The collectors edition will feature monsieur Locusta's masterpieces printed on fine archival-quality vellum. The standard edition will feature Kimahri's stick figure drawings on 100% recycled toilet paper bound with chewing gum.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 25, 2014, 08:36:04 PM
Naw that's the substandard edition.


Cost 2 bucks and a can of chewing tobacco. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 25, 2014, 09:43:20 PM
Quote•S.D. Perry (Author)
Markus Pansegrau (Cover Design, Xenomorph illustrations)
•Patrick Pigott (Cover Sculpt)
•Don Bies (Cover Paint)
•Anthony Mestas (Cover Paint)
John R. Mullaney (Weapons and vehicle illustrations)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 11:34:56 PM
Cryptic.  What are we to derive from the bolded names?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Sep 25, 2014, 11:59:24 PM
Markus Pansegrau is Locusta I believe.  And John R. Mullaney known for his Cross-Section illustrations for Star Wars I believe.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 26, 2014, 12:01:45 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 11:34:56 PM
Cryptic.  What are we to derive from the bolded names?

The questions regarding interior artwork.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 26, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
Did your duties extend to consulting on the accuracy of the artwork as well?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Sep 26, 2014, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
Isn't this book worth it for the artwork alone?

The last Alien artbook I bought was the Darkhorse Panel-To-Panel book and that was only $20, but as I said I think the Wey-Yu Report will have more detailed info than most people here currently think.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Sep 26, 2014, 10:51:29 PM
Quote from: locusta on Sep 25, 2014, 11:34:38 AM
I hope so ;)

Your artwork is amazing mate  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 26, 2014, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 26, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
Did your duties extend to consulting on the accuracy of the artwork as well?

A little with John's stuff, but not Locustas.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Oct 01, 2014, 09:03:09 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: locusta on Sep 25, 2014, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
Isn't this book worth it for the artwork alone?

I hope so ;)

Did you finish your dog alien for the book?

That one should answer your question: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=23343.60 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=23343.60)    ;)

Quote from: Nazrel on Sep 25, 2014, 07:04:36 PM
I hope theres some amazing artwork in the standard edition too

All text and artwork will be the same, at least from what I know.


Quote from: SM on Sep 26, 2014, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 26, 2014, 06:33:16 PM
Did your duties extend to consulting on the accuracy of the artwork as well?

A little with John's stuff, but not Locustas.

So whatever I fu**ed up, I´m the one solely to blame, stoned, tarred and feathered and de-friended on FB.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Oct 01, 2014, 09:50:06 AM
Nothing f**ked up as far as I could see.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 01, 2014, 07:02:28 PM
Quote from: locusta on Oct 01, 2014, 09:03:09 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 04:34:53 PMDid you finish your dog alien for the book?

That one should answer your question: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=23343.60 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=23343.60)    ;)
;D

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 12:08:19 AM
I'd hire a talented 3D modeler like locusta and use his models in the game.

http://locusta.deviantart.com/gallery (http://locusta.deviantart.com/gallery)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Vrastal on Oct 15, 2014, 08:30:11 AM
when will the standard edition become available?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Oct 15, 2014, 10:32:42 AM
No date as yet.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 17, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
Does SM have an advance copy of his very own to peruse at will?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Oct 17, 2014, 11:29:35 PM
Nope.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 18, 2014, 03:29:35 AM
Does SM expect to receive one or does he have to buy a copy like the rest of us wretches?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Kimarhi on Oct 18, 2014, 05:10:12 AM
surely he is not that pleb tier 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Oct 18, 2014, 09:36:36 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 18, 2014, 03:29:35 AM
Does SM expect to receive one or does he have to buy a copy like the rest of us wretches?

The former.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Oct 18, 2014, 09:48:31 AM
Have to admit that there is an terrible nerve stretching silence from the publisher part. There should have been already some kind of further announcement.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 18, 2014, 05:26:29 PM
I need another fix of locusta art.  Is there nothing else you can show us until the book is released?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 20, 2014, 09:20:11 PM
Just been told its been pushed back to May.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: alienscollection.com on Oct 21, 2014, 08:51:17 AM
The regular edition or the collector's?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2014, 08:05:40 AM
Disregard that. She told me wrong. Collector's Edition is due out December. No word on regular.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Space7Horror on Nov 04, 2014, 12:33:26 AM
I have recently heard about this book and I just have a few questions about it.
So this book is gonna have all information on the xenomorph that is considered canon from the movie universe by fox? Will it consider informtaion given in director cuts and extended editions canon as well? If so will egg morphing and Amanda Ripley be mentioned in it? If Amanda is mentioned will it go over the events of Alien: Isolation?
I know it's a lot of questions but if someone could answer some of them that would be great thank you! :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 04, 2014, 01:53:42 AM
Spoiler
Someone could.  But that'd be telling.
[close]
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Nov 04, 2014, 07:23:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 04, 2014, 01:53:42 AM
Spoiler
Someone could.  But that'd be telling.
[close]

:D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Nov 05, 2014, 10:22:51 AM
Funny that even I´m not able to give any official statement further, but this just came to my notice:

http://www.amazon.es/Alien-informe-Weyland-Yutani-Comic/dp/8467916575%3FSubscriptionId%3D1NNRF7QZ418V218YP1R2%26tag%3Dbf-ps-brandkw-3-21%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D8467916575 (http://www.amazon.es/Alien-informe-Weyland-Yutani-Comic/dp/8467916575%3FSubscriptionId%3D1NNRF7QZ418V218YP1R2%26tag%3Dbf-ps-brandkw-3-21%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D8467916575)

(thanks Amazon auto search recommendation function)

Don´t wanna spoil or spill beans, but notice price and release date ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 05, 2014, 10:24:13 AM
Awesome :)

Although November 14th seems unrealistically soon given that we've heard nowt.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 05, 2014, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: locusta on Nov 05, 2014, 10:22:51 AM
Funny that even I´m not able to give any official statement further, but this just came to my notice:

http://www.amazon.es/Alien-informe-Weyland-Yutani-Comic/dp/8467916575%3FSubscriptionId%3D1NNRF7QZ418V218YP1R2%26tag%3Dbf-ps-brandkw-3-21%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D8467916575 (http://www.amazon.es/Alien-informe-Weyland-Yutani-Comic/dp/8467916575%3FSubscriptionId%3D1NNRF7QZ418V218YP1R2%26tag%3Dbf-ps-brandkw-3-21%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D8467916575)

(thanks Amazon auto search recommendation function)

Don´t wanna spoil or spill beans, but notice price and release date ;)

Madre de dios!

Does seem ambitious considering the special ed isn't due till December.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Nov 05, 2014, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: locusta on Nov 05, 2014, 10:22:51 AM
Funny that even I´m not able to give any official statement further, but this just came to my notice:

http://www.amazon.es/Alien-informe-Weyland-Yutani-Comic/dp/8467916575%3FSubscriptionId%3D1NNRF7QZ418V218YP1R2%26tag%3Dbf-ps-brandkw-3-21%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D8467916575 (http://www.amazon.es/Alien-informe-Weyland-Yutani-Comic/dp/8467916575%3FSubscriptionId%3D1NNRF7QZ418V218YP1R2%26tag%3Dbf-ps-brandkw-3-21%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D8467916575)

(thanks Amazon auto search recommendation function)

Don´t wanna spoil or spill beans, but notice price and release date ;)

That cover art! Tres Bien!  8)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Nov 07, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
Apparently it´s already out in France since a few days.

http://www.amazon.fr/Alien-Weyland-Yutani-S-D-Perry/dp/2364802776/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1415400956&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=rapport+weyland (http://www.amazon.fr/Alien-Weyland-Yutani-S-D-Perry/dp/2364802776/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1415400956&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=rapport+weyland)

Funny, that I don´t have a copy by now. LOLZ

My French is simply to bad to catch the comments in the French forums, but it seems not be that bad ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Nov 10, 2014, 02:12:45 AM
From the French version.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 02:30:26 AM
lolVincent.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Nov 10, 2014, 03:07:17 AM
Um...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 04:34:35 AM
Always found the bottom pic rather disturbing.

WYR is available as a trade book in France and Spain.

I believe the US non collectors edition may be out in the northern Spring.

Correction - Still no plans for non collectors version in US.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: DemonicD13 on Nov 10, 2014, 05:02:59 AM
Argh, I wanted to take this thing seriously.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 05:12:50 AM
I always find it appropriate to judge a publication based on a handful of pictures, with the only context being a blurred language that I only have a rudimentary understanding of.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 10, 2014, 08:28:04 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3762;image)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3766;image)

So...what are these? I'm guessing the top one is some sort of acid gun?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 10, 2014, 08:40:13 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 02:30:26 AMlolVincent.

:laugh: Yeah, that cracked me up too.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 10, 2014, 08:28:04 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3762;image)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3766;image)

So...what are these? I'm guessing some sort of acid gun?

Well, the bottom one isn't.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 10, 2014, 08:44:14 AM
 ::) Thanks, Cap'n.

*So...what are these? I'm guessing the top one is some sort of acid gun?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 10, 2014, 08:53:30 AM
Personally I don't mind the book going off into a bit of "here's some shit we made up that could be derived from the Alien". Bit of a bonus on top of all the film-centric info.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 08:54:12 AM
Yes it is an acid gun.  The picture labels provide more detail.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 10, 2014, 09:08:11 AM
I look forward to seeing what they say about that. Is there a lot of new stuff in there?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 09:21:09 AM
That sort of thing?  No.

There's lots of embellishments that connect direct to the films.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 10, 2014, 04:44:41 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3763;image)

Xeno Armour +1 (+3 against all acid based attacks)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Nov 10, 2014, 06:07:43 PM
That's some cool stuff. It has rekindled my excitement for the WYR a bit.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Nov 10, 2014, 09:05:58 PM
As SM said, it is now not useful to judge some concepts without the written context.

As it is a company report, it does not only gather given informations from past events (the movies) but gives room for speculations and future prospects of concepts based on speculation...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Nov 10, 2014, 10:19:12 PM
That speculative stuff has me thinking that they could do some neat things in the follow ups to Sea of Sorrows, assuming those wind up happening.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Russ on Nov 12, 2014, 09:23:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 05:12:50 AM
I always find it appropriate to judge a publication based on a handful of pictures, with the only context being a blurred language that I only have a rudimentary understanding of.

The internet is with you on that when it comes to films too.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 12, 2014, 04:06:33 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 10, 2014, 08:28:04 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3762;image)
What the fong?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 12, 2014, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 12, 2014, 04:06:33 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 10, 2014, 08:28:04 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3762;image)
What the fong?

Cannon!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2014, 04:25:40 PM
So it looks like I was right, the book isn't going to be a simple regurgitation of stuff we already know from the movies but will actually bring us new stuff as well.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2014, 04:25:40 PMSo it looks like I was right, the book isn't going to be a simple regurgitation of stuff we already know from the movies but will actually bring us new stuff as well.

Like Vincent's first name.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2014, 04:55:40 PM
Make fun if you will but it was still a ludicrous idea to believe that this book would function solely as an art book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2014, 04:55:40 PMMake fun if you will but it was still a ludicrous idea to believe that this book would function solely as an art book.

Actually that was just a bit of good-natured ribbing, I'm thoroughly excited for this book. I love all that background stuff. In fact I was secretly hoping it might shed some more light on the prisoners of Fury.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Nov 12, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
Oh, looks my lack of social life screwed me over on that one, lol.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2014, 05:33:31 PMOh, looks my lack of social life screwed me over on that one, lol.

My fault, I missed the :) out of my post!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 12, 2014, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2014, 04:55:40 PM
Make fun if you will but it was still a ludicrous idea to believe that this book would function solely as an art book.

Who ever said it was going to be an "art book"?

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2014, 04:25:40 PMSo it looks like I was right, the book isn't going to be a simple regurgitation of stuff we already know from the movies but will actually bring us new stuff as well.

Like Vincent's first name.

Using the Aliens precedent and basing it on Mark Anthony Newman IIRC.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 12, 2014, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2014, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 12, 2014, 04:55:40 PM
Make fun if you will but it was still a ludicrous idea to believe that this book would function solely as an art book.

Who ever said it was going to be an "art book"?

I probably came the closest...

Quote from: predxeno on Sep 26, 2014, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 25, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
Isn't this book worth it for the artwork alone?

The last Alien artbook I bought was the Darkhorse Panel-To-Panel book and that was only $20, but as I said I think the Wey-Yu Report will have more detailed info than most people here currently think.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 09:18:53 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2014, 09:01:42 PMUsing the Aliens precedent and basing it on Mark Anthony Newman IIRC.

Does that mean we can finally identify his ass on screen, through the actor?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 12, 2014, 09:26:46 PM
Don't know.  Mark Newman and Nick Gillard in the bug wash at the start of the AC with Kevin, but as far as I know neither have been indentified as specific prisoners (the script just says "three prisoners").  And the body the Alien is nomming when Kevin finds it to start the bait and chase can't be identified as black or white (Newman is black).

Xeno Alpha may know more.

The book plays up the Vincent Enigma (TM).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 09:32:29 PM
Also some of those guys don't have names that link to the actor e.g. Yoshi Troy.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 12, 2014, 10:04:18 PM
Or Arthur Walkingstick.  ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 10:06:34 PM
Is that even a valid name in... wherever he's from? Or anywhere?

Also David Postlethwaite made me smile.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 12, 2014, 10:20:59 PM
I don't know Deobia Oparei's heritage (if I had to guess I'd say west African), but I think the Walkingstick name is native American.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Nov 12, 2014, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 09:32:29 PM
Also some of those guys don't have names that link to the actor e.g. Yoshi Troy.

This is one of the largest cast pics I've seen from ALIEN3. Vincent might be the guy who is looking away ;)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHZyOiGu.jpg%3F2&hash=3e4178a98f00a705e61a694e90402e45a3814842)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 12, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2014, 09:26:46 PM
The book plays up the Vincent Enigma (TM).

I'm not familiar with that.  What's the mystery?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 12, 2014, 11:45:43 PM
Go check out Xeno Alpha's page under the Alien3 articles (http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.co.uk/). 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 12, 2014, 11:59:05 PM
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Nov 12, 2014, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 12, 2014, 09:32:29 PM
Also some of those guys don't have names that link to the actor e.g. Yoshi Troy.

This is one of the largest cast pics I've seen from ALIEN3. Vincent might be the guy who is looking away ;)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHZyOiGu.jpg%3F2&hash=3e4178a98f00a705e61a694e90402e45a3814842)
Nice pic!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 13, 2014, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 12, 2014, 11:29:07 PMI'm not familiar with that.  What's the mystery?
Specifically, try this (http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/alien-3-vincent-enigma-updated.html) article.


I don't know if this has been asked before - apologies if it has - but does this book just reference the films, or does it make any nods towards the games as well? (I'm mainly thinking of Isolation.)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Nov 13, 2014, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2014, 09:26:46 PM
Don't know.  Mark Newman and Nick Gillard in the bug wash at the start of the AC with Kevin, but as far as I know neither have been indentified as specific prisoners (the script just says "three prisoners").  And the body the Alien is nomming when Kevin finds it to start the bait and chase can't be identified as black or white (Newman is black).

Xeno Alpha may know more.

The book plays up the Vincent Enigma (TM).

In one Hill & Giler draft it's Janni, Vincent & Ed that's in the bug wash.  In the film it's Rains, Mark Newman and Nick Gillard.  In another draft the bug wash scene is replaced with a dream sequence.  Turns out both Newman & Gilard were killed during the entrapment scene: Clicky (http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/vincent-enigma-further-confusion.html)

Mark Newman was also in the attempted rape scene alongside Junior, William and Gregor.  In one Hill and Giler draft Newman is identified as Martin.  In other drafts he's just noted as a stunt prisoner, no name.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2014, 10:11:17 PM
Bugger me.  Never noticed him in the rape scene.

QuoteI don't know if this has been asked before - apologies if it has - but does this book just reference the films, or does it make any nods towards the games as well? (I'm mainly thinking of Isolation.)

This pic that Quarax posted earlier should answer that, even in blurred French.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3753 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3753)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Nov 13, 2014, 10:25:05 PM
Maybe it's just the blurred French, but it looks like both the entries for Prometheus and Fire and Stone have what look appear to be censor bars, assumingly being W-Y redacting information on the Engineers. That's a nice touch, if that is what it turns it to be, since it's an "in universe" book focussing on the xenomorphs.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 13, 2014, 10:36:32 PM
Yeah it's an in-universe way of avoiding potential sequel content.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Nov 13, 2014, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 13, 2014, 10:11:17 PM
Bugger me.  Never noticed him in the rape scene.

Yep.  You see him at least twice and for only a few seconds each time.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi60.tinypic.com%2F1zewjkw.jpg&hash=b848fb4c5d4e0e4df35e66c74071d0a6d52b00cb)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi59.tinypic.com%2F25hn8k5.jpg&hash=39b1536bf71f23c1168c24d3ecf40481de5d18dc)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 14, 2014, 07:47:58 AM
Theres an even better shot when Ripley is being held over the rail.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 14, 2014, 08:43:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 13, 2014, 10:11:17 PMThis pic that Quarax posted earlier should answer that, even in blurred French.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3753 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49493.0;attach=3753)
Thanks. I mostly skipped over the timeline image because the text is too blurry to make any of it out. Great that we finally get a definitive date for Resurrection though.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 16, 2014, 01:23:26 AM
Did SM receive his copy yet?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 16, 2014, 11:53:27 PM
Nope.

Think it might've been pushed back to (northern) Spring.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2014, 08:33:49 AM
How come ze French got zeirs when we still aff to wait?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 17, 2014, 10:05:51 AM
Zay are zee, 'ow you say, jammy bastards.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Nov 17, 2014, 12:26:41 PM
Yep, totally wonder the same. Btw, the Spanish version I posted a few pages back, was pushed to Christmas.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2014, 02:41:56 PM
Bloody Jeunet, pulling strings.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2014, 07:29:08 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2014, 08:33:49 AM
How come ze French got zeirs when we still aff to wait?

Time to invade.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 17, 2014, 07:31:37 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2014, 08:33:49 AM
How come ze French got zeirs when we still aff to wait?

A superior species, no doubt.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Nov 17, 2014, 08:23:20 PM
Yeah, I see already the German version coming out before we get the original.  ::)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2014, 08:39:14 PM
:laugh: How many more languages is this going to be translated into before we get the English version?

Polish? Swahili? Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2014, 08:45:16 PM
I expect an Esperanto audiobook narrated by Michael Fassbender before we get the English version.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Nov 17, 2014, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2014, 08:45:16 PM
I expect an Esperanto audiobook narrated by Michael Fassbender before we get the English version.

Fassbender will actually be reading the Reconstructed Indo-European version, for the Engineer market.  :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Nov 21, 2014, 10:53:29 AM
What is this book's stance on Aliens: Colonial Marines?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 21, 2014, 11:02:19 AM
Hopefully one of the beautifully drawn images is of an Alien curling out a turd onto a copy of the game.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 21, 2014, 12:29:51 PM
The book's got acid guns and D&D fantasy style Xeno armour. I'm expecting a fully authorized biography on Turk.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Nov 25, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
Being Polish, I'm excited about my Polish edition!  ...and the guy who created Esperanto was Polish too, so I'm in for the deluxe Esperanto edition as well...  ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 25, 2014, 09:57:13 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2014, 11:53:27 PM
Nope.

Think it might've been pushed back to (northern) Spring.

Will you get Mikey Neumann to autograph it?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 25, 2014, 09:57:49 PM
First thing on my list.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2014, 08:29:02 AM
Have they given you a reason behind the delay?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Nov 26, 2014, 11:13:07 PM
Promotional lead time/ launch type stuff.  Nothing to do with the book content.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2014, 08:12:51 AM
I would have thought they'd want to get in on the 35th Anniversary/Christmas-time hype. But fair enough.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Nov 27, 2014, 09:51:22 AM
Well, in my contract was still a September release mentioned. That´s why I had a big hustle to get all files done. Anyways, hope the French fans appreciate it. :D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 29, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
Can I buy the standard edition of this book yet?  I'm fiending for some locusta art and some intensively fact-checked writing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Dec 30, 2014, 09:56:27 PM
Still not yet  :(
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 30, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
I find it increasingly odd that we haven't even had an announcement when it's already out elsewhere.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Dec 31, 2014, 07:38:09 PM
Same here of course. A bit pissed, cos I wanted to give it as x-mass present to several people and would have wanted to be part of the anniversary thingy.

Still think that SideShow holds it back until their SE is out and sold (haha). If they produce the same kind of garbage as the Big Chap bust, then I have HIGH hopes  ::)

Anyway, is still hope that at least the hardcore fanbase is a bit stocked and I can assure that it is worth the wait and the goodies to follow after release (I still have to hold back, what drives me crazy).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 02, 2015, 08:07:31 PM
I wish i could afford it.. i love alien goodies
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 05, 2015, 11:57:49 AM
Still no word on this?

At this rate I could have bought the French version and learned the language to read it, and still had time to spare before the English version comes out :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Feb 05, 2015, 11:54:29 PM
It's interesting, I figured that the official announcement of the "new canon" for AVP would be released alongside this book but if this book is never released then I guess the "all EU is canon" is still the official franchise motto. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 06, 2015, 12:45:04 AM
I wouldn't consider this book to be a source book like DC and Marvel's official source books, despite many fans claiming that this is a source book. I'm sure it'll be a neat thing to have though.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 06, 2015, 08:35:01 AM
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/alien-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-insight-collectibles-902252/?affiliate=Darkness (http://affiliates.sideshowtoy.com/Tracker.aspx?aid=3330&sku=902252&cid=-1)

Apparently due to ship Apr 2015 - May 2015.

Thanks to SM for dropping me a link.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 08:42:08 AM
Does anybody know yet whether this $325 edition will have anything the standard edition won't?  I don't really care about fancy covers or stuff like that, I just want the same information between the pages.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 14, 2015, 09:02:12 AM
I'm wondering if maybe the reproduction memorabilia (the Burke comm card etc.) might not be in the standard edition. I can't think the actual info on the page will be any different though.

But I'd love to know for sure.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 14, 2015, 04:22:50 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 08:42:08 AM
Does anybody know yet whether this $325 edition will have anything the standard edition won't?  I don't really care about fancy covers or stuff like that, I just want the same information between the pages.

$325? for a book? you must be joking, I wouldn't pay 20 for it.  :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
This book covers all 4 current movies, right? Seems a bit of a waste to release it in its current state if Blomkamp is about to categorically hose half of the content with his new movie.

Unless, of course, he isn't going to. ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
This book covers all 4 current movies, right? Seems a bit of a waste to release it in its current state if Blomkamp is about to categorically hose half of the content with his new movie.

Unless, of course, he isn't going to. ;)

Or y'know it's still fine since they're two separate canonicities.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 10:35:17 PM
Or if the movies still exist and this book was written long before.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 28, 2015, 10:49:23 PM
Has there been any more word on this? I'd really like to get it, if/when it actually hits shelves.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:21:24 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
This book covers all 4 current movies, right? Seems a bit of a waste to release it in its current state if Blomkamp is about to categorically hose half of the content with his new movie.

Unless, of course, he isn't going to. ;)

Or y'know it's still fine since they're two separate canonicities.
That word. I'm not sure you know what it means.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Mar 01, 2015, 02:13:25 AM
I suppose the rumored "new canon timeline" from Fox will also be put on hold, especially if the new film might be a retcon.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:27:30 AM
What rumored timeline?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:35:03 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:27:30 AM
What rumored timeline?

Are you joking?

Prometheus 2 and A5 are rumoured to be connected, as well as A5 being suggested to overwrite A3 would constitute an alternate timeline.


However, I don't think anything in the recent news will change this book if it is a guide to the universe of the original four alien films.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Mar 01, 2015, 02:44:38 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:27:30 AM
What rumored timeline?

The timeline that says all EU is not canon, except for the Titan books and Fire & Stone.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:46:32 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:35:03 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:27:30 AM
What rumored timeline?

Are you joking?

Prometheus 2 and A5 are rumoured to be connected, as well as A5 being suggested to overwrite A3 would constitute an alternate timeline.


However, I don't think anything in the recent news will change this book if it is a guide to the universe of the original four alien films.
I got the impression that predxeno was referring to an actual printed timeline book (like this one (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_New_Essential_Chronology) for Star Wars).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:50:24 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2015, 02:44:38 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:27:30 AM
What rumored timeline?

The timeline that says all EU is not canon, except for the Titan books and Fire & Stone.

& Alien: Isolation

Do you think that'll be the "EU" for the four original films + Prometheus in this book? And they'll create an even newer EU for Blompkamp's Alien (If necessary) or will Blompkamp's Alien follow this "new EU" too?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 03:11:00 AM
Assuming Blomkamp's movie is a new alternate timeline, wouldn't that also clash with the Titan Publishing books which are post Alien 3 and Resurrection?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 01, 2015, 03:42:31 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 03:11:00 AM
Assuming Blomkamp's movie is a new alternate timeline, wouldn't that also clash with the Titan Publishing books which are post Alien 3 and Resurrection?

I wouldn't really say "clash". It'll be like what's happening with Star Trek: the old EU (post-Resurrection Titan novels, etc.) continues in the books, while the films go the "soft reboot" route.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 03:49:04 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 01, 2015, 03:42:31 AM
I wouldn't really say "clash". It'll be like what's happening with Star Trek: the old EU (post-Resurrection Titan novels, etc.) continues in the books, while the films go the "soft reboot" route.

I don't get the Star Trek analogy so.. you lost me.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 01, 2015, 03:53:30 AM
Oh, sorry. What I mean is that the new Star Trek movies essentially were a soft reboot, where time travel created a new timeline. The movies from here on out are set in that universe, but the old universe of classic Star Trek (the shows, old movies, etc.) has carried on in the form of novels.

That what I see happenig with Aliens. Titan will continue exploring the post-Resurrection world in print, even if the new movies ignore those films and establish their own separate timeline.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 03:55:34 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 03:11:00 AM
Assuming Blomkamp's movie is a new alternate timeline, wouldn't that also clash with the Titan Publishing books which are post Alien 3 and Resurrection?
Only one of the Titan books is post Alien3.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 01, 2015, 03:58:31 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 03:55:34 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 03:11:00 AM
Assuming Blomkamp's movie is a new alternate timeline, wouldn't that also clash with the Titan Publishing books which are post Alien 3 and Resurrection?
Only one of the Titan books is post Alien3.

The upcoming Rage War trilogy is more than likely also post-Resurrection.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 04:02:10 AM
How do we know?

Hell, the bulk of the EU is technically "post Alien3" but isn't reliant on it, even if Alien3 got wiped out the vast majority of the EU could still work within the "new" timeline.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 01, 2015, 04:14:24 AM
We can go back and do up the James Moore quotes on Aliens Experiene, but, honestly, I don't think it's worth it. I don't even see what all this debating is for. The films and EU have existed in parallel for decades, Wilks-Billie/Big Deletion ductape non-withstanding. I was just making the Star Trek comparison as a way of posing out how the films and novels/comics can go their own way.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 04:24:26 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 01, 2015, 04:14:24 AM
I was just making the Star Trek comparison as a way of posing out how the films and novels/comics can go their own way.

To be truthful, the Star Trek EU is non-canon in any capacity. Paramount has even announced that but they said that in the case of the written works by Roddenberry, that's more or less up to him at the time when he was alive.

But assuming we do get different timelines, and still sticking with the analogy you mentioned.. where would this put the AvP films? Would they be their own universe which was built off the first two Predator films and the three Alien films, Resurrection not withstanding of course? I don't see a reason why they couldn't/wouldn't be assuming we have alternate timelines going on.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 04:02:10 AMHow do we know?

The author of Sea of Sorrows (the post-Resurrection novel) has stated it follows on from his book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 01, 2015, 11:53:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 28, 2015, 10:49:23 PM
Has there been any more word on this? I'd really like to get it, if/when it actually hits shelves.

The French edition has already been released. No idea what the holdup is with the English edition.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 01:09:27 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 04:02:10 AMHow do we know?

The author of Sea of Sorrows (the post-Resurrection novel) has stated it follows on from his book.
Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Mar 05, 2015, 03:15:07 PM
Well, well. It does take a loooong time, but it´s coming.

Just as a small update, for technical reasons (and I knew that from the beginning) the flip cover for the SE became a slip cover ;)

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/alien-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-insight-collectibles-902252/ (https://www.sideshowtoy.com/collectibles/alien-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-insight-collectibles-902252/)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 05, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
Nice. That slip case does look awesome, even in close-up. I quite like the minimalist grey cover art for the actual book inside too.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2015, 03:25:07 PM
That does look gorgeous. And those images make me tempted.

But I'm really not going to spend that much.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 05, 2015, 06:58:34 PM
Ask them if they can send you a copy for "review purposes".  :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Mar 05, 2015, 08:14:17 PM
I wanna know who would spend $325 for ONE book.  Unless they have a steep discount available, I can't even touch that price. :(
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2015, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 05, 2015, 06:58:34 PM
Ask them if they can send you a copy for "review purposes".  :laugh:

I'm not that cheeky.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Mar 05, 2015, 11:56:46 PM
You could probably get away with it, tho. :D ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 12:16:26 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 05, 2015, 08:14:17 PM
I wanna know who would spend $325 for ONE book.  Unless they have a steep discount available, I can't even touch that price. :(
I bought some of Giger's books for about that. Each.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 12:23:48 AM
Lucky you.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 01:21:26 AM
Woo being employed.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 06, 2015, 03:21:56 AM
I have a feeling they're going to release this for the 30th anniversary of Aliens.  I mean it could come out before 2016 but still as a 30th anniversary tie-in.  I really hope we give James Cameron's masterpiece the celebration it deserves.

I expect a new limited edition Bluray release with some new features like additional commentaries plus the full reunion footage.  Some promotional material for the new true sequel would be great too...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 03:46:16 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 01:21:26 AM
Woo being employed.

Hell, i'm employed and couldn't dare spend that much all at once.


Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 03:51:06 AM
Woo being employed and being able to save.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 03:53:59 AM
I just spent $200 on an AVPR Inkworks Master Trading Card Set, so I can't spend $$ for awhile now. :(
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 08:15:55 AM
What was in that?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 08:38:35 AM
locusta, I notice from those new images there are a few pullout tidbits inside (Space Beast, whatever that burnt sheet of paper is). Are you able to say if they will be in the standard version, or are the y exclusive to the Collector's Edition?

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 06, 2015, 03:21:56 AMI really hope we give James Cameron's masterpiece the celebration it deserves.

Lolwut?

This book isn't about Aliens. It's about the franchise as a whole. You know, those four films we have currently? It covers all of them, Alien 3 and Resurrection included, plus a bit more besides.

Not to mention Aliens gets plenty of credit as it is.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 09:25:01 AM
I'd be 100% willing to buy the book- but I'm afraid it'll say some B.S like "The crossbreed Aliens are more intelligent" or Bishop in Alien3 is an android- or even worse, they tie in AVP and ACM as Canon, or that recent awful novel trilogy.

If someone could guarantee me it has none of these qualities then I'd buy it otherwise the whole thing's a waste.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 06, 2015, 10:08:09 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 12:16:26 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 05, 2015, 08:14:17 PM
I wanna know who would spend $325 for ONE book.  Unless they have a steep discount available, I can't even touch that price. :(
I bought some of Giger's books for about that. Each.
Were they signed by him?

If not, why were they so expensive?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Russ on Mar 06, 2015, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 09:25:01 AM
I'd be 100% willing to buy the book- but I'm afraid it'll say some B.S like "The crossbreed Aliens are more intelligent" or Bishop in Alien3 is an android- or even worse, they tie in AVP and ACM as Canon, or that recent awful novel trilogy.

If someone could guarantee me it has none of these qualities then I'd buy it otherwise the whole thing's a waste.

Or you could just download it illegally like you do with movies, right?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 10:16:10 AM
Quote from: Russ on Mar 06, 2015, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 09:25:01 AM
I'd be 100% willing to buy the book- but I'm afraid it'll say some B.S like "The crossbreed Aliens are more intelligent" or Bishop in Alien3 is an android- or even worse, they tie in AVP and ACM as Canon, or that recent awful novel trilogy.

If someone could guarantee me it has none of these qualities then I'd buy it otherwise the whole thing's a waste.

Or you could just download it illegally like you do with movies, right?

I only download shit movies to laugh at them.

This hasn't even been seen by most of the general public and isn't a film.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 10:17:16 AM
Comeon kids - I can see the dig here and it's not appreciated.

Plus - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=3.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=3.0)

Quote- No discussion of P2P downloading. This includes discussion about downloading movies, music, games, software etc. Providing links to such places is strictly not allowed.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 06, 2015, 10:08:09 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 12:16:26 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 05, 2015, 08:14:17 PM
I wanna know who would spend $325 for ONE book.  Unless they have a steep discount available, I can't even touch that price. :(
I bought some of Giger's books for about that. Each.
Were they signed by him?

If not, why were they so expensive?

I'm curious too. Why the high price?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 11:01:02 AM
Enough. Now.

Son of Kane has been spoken to, warned and the offending posts removed. It is done.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Mar 06, 2015, 10:54:59 PM
Yeah, I honestly don't understand why the book is so expensive. Even when the regular edition comes out, it'll still probably be $50. I'll wait a few months until I can find a used copy for a few bucks on Amazon Marketplace.  ;D Fox/Dark Horse got over $100 out of me for all those Fire and Stone issues, I've shown my support.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 08:15:55 AM
What was in that?

Well, the basic base card set, most of the rare cards (including autograph cards, piecework cards containing clothing worn by the actors, and even a EXTREMELY limited edition mini-press sheet); the only things missing were some sketch cards and the Dealer Marketing Packet I posted about in The Marketplace.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 07, 2015, 09:56:51 AM
What's a mini press sheet? The poster?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
Kind of, in these kinds of trading card sets; there's a set of 9 cards that, when you put together, is kinda like a puzzle that forms a larger picture:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs3.ebaystatic.com%2Fd%2Fl225%2Fm%2FmK8Ecir1W3tN46G4zRL_bIQ.jpg&hash=b2a0b09b54fb335ab0bd74fb160a3cf7cb937676)

The mini-press sheet is essentially that puzzle, but without being cut up into individual cards; it's nothing particularly new, and seems to be more of a "Look at the cool, limited edition thing I have."
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RidgeTop on Apr 01, 2015, 02:12:37 AM
Is this thing ever going to come out? I'm considering just ordering the French version to admire Locusta's models.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 16, 2015, 11:27:33 AM
 John Mullaney, one of the artists for the book posted this on FB:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11062358_836606169758662_3788752786576022440_n.jpg?oh=a0d87014953d8b846d8ca6601669f896&oe=559773C1&__gda__=1440549274_5b53a22c0d1302c594a0c06d50b4c478)

Very excited to release the poster for my new making-of film which documents the production process behind the new APC artwork commissioned for the forthcoming title Alien: The Weyland-Yutani Report. 'APC Cutaway' has been produced in association with Fox and Insight Editions & will be available to watch online. Details on release dates to follow at John R. Mullaney illustration

https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-R-Mullaney-illustration/106948306047099 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-R-Mullaney-illustration/106948306047099)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 16, 2015, 11:42:36 AM
Well at least we know for sure the book's still on its way.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Apr 16, 2015, 06:15:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 16, 2015, 11:27:33 AM
John Mullaney, one of the artists for the book posted this on FB:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11062358_836606169758662_3788752786576022440_n.jpg?oh=a0d87014953d8b846d8ca6601669f896&oe=559773C1&__gda__=1440549274_5b53a22c0d1302c594a0c06d50b4c478)

Very excited to release the poster for my new making-of film which documents the production process behind the new APC artwork commissioned for the forthcoming title Alien: The Weyland-Yutani Report. 'APC Cutaway' has been produced in association with Fox and Insight Editions & will be available to watch online. Details on release dates to follow at John R. Mullaney illustration

https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-R-Mullaney-illustration/106948306047099 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/John-R-Mullaney-illustration/106948306047099)

Nice find.  Totally stoked.  Perhaps this book will be an expanded version of the one already released...???
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 05, 2015, 12:24:34 PM
The book is apparently out this month. The fancy pants version, at least. Locusta received his copy

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11401003_822534481167142_7453594580981414356_n.jpg?oh=08ba74417fa54072b4ff92b8faeb82f7&oe=5601E4B6)



Some more pictures from vehicle illustrator John R. Mullaney

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11391107_861741050567817_2331800496329854589_n.jpg?oh=0e62b0a24e45823c8b6194e13149f4f8&oe=55E99555)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11407218_861741007234488_3429229820450104062_n.jpg?oh=aa99277e1956163b6b935cce0996f8ab&oe=55F7E529&__gda__=1443425699_413e173c4165744bd334cb2c5442d1ee)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11038378_861741470567775_5293807199314362178_n.jpg?oh=7217448231320e3fbdc042860da3b5bf&oe=55FE5226&__gda__=1446253072_f9b798bed0dd6b61cef03daf370b8472)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/10641110_861740980567824_7079765487368986918_n.jpg?oh=fb20a986aa06b1a6c480edab3636156d&oe=55FC700C)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11377108_861741170567805_5793628749024718756_n.jpg?oh=e73d2754af73294ec2b6e6c3f0e6bcb8&oe=55EB31C4)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10539232_861741160567806_319191203109776497_n.jpg?oh=6ffb3f24196f5e3c6c8912412fdf62d5&oe=55FB1568)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11267372_861741157234473_3819600606051862989_n.jpg?oh=5e3e06612faabfa546de493c70705689&oe=55FC8BBB)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Everlasting Undead on Jun 05, 2015, 09:37:36 PM
It might have already been answered, but where's the going to be on sale at?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 05, 2015, 09:39:24 PM
I've only seen it for sale from Sideshow website at the minute.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jun 05, 2015, 10:33:22 PM
Is it still $325?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Elmazalman on Jun 05, 2015, 10:53:44 PM
Besides vehicles,does this have cut-away images of the various Alien form's internal organs.I'd like to see that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: alienscollection.com on Jun 06, 2015, 06:47:33 AM
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 06, 2015, 08:14:57 AM
It truly looks gorgeous!! I wish I could nab a copy.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Elmazalman on Jun 06, 2015, 08:24:24 AM
i didn't see any character profiles on any of the humans or artificial persons from the series,surely they would be also included?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: alienscollection.com on Jun 06, 2015, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jun 06, 2015, 08:24:24 AM
i didn't see any character profiles on any of the humans or artificial persons from the series,surely they would be also included?

They are included.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 07, 2015, 02:53:39 PM
I do love this, and it looks beautiful, I just really can't justify spending so much on a book.

Still crossing my fingers for a cheapo version :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2015, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 07, 2015, 02:53:39 PM
I do love this, and it looks beautiful, I just really can't justify spending so much on a book.

Still crossing my fingers for a cheapo version :)

Me too. It looks absolutely gorgeous but I just can't justify spending that much money on a book. I wonder how well it is actually going to sell.

When the standard comes out, I'll be all over it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 07, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2015, 03:19:07 PMWhen the standard comes out, I'll be all over it.

Same. Like cheese on a Big Mac.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 07, 2015, 05:43:50 PM
Will the standard version include all the physical stuff (Jones's vet report, Burke's call card)?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2015, 08:43:09 AM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 07, 2015, 05:43:50 PM
Will the standard version include all the physical stuff (Jones's vet report, Burke's call card)?

Unknown. We still don't really know anything about the English standard edition. I've asked them if they have any new information to provide.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 09, 2015, 01:59:18 AM
Overall, this looks AWESOME. I can justify spending much money on a book, as long as it is the first edition or just simply extremely rare

however I will just wait for a standard copy like many others have mentioned already! ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 09, 2015, 02:10:46 AM
This is so awesome!  Any idea if it features Prometheus stuff?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 09, 2015, 02:32:53 AM
It definitely features Prometheus information (they mispelled Millburn's name!  :D).  I wonder what kind of Prometheus extras will it include. 
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 09, 2015, 03:17:18 AM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 09, 2015, 02:32:53 AM
It definitely features Prometheus information (they mispelled Millburn's name!  :D).  I wonder what kind of Prometheus extras will it include.

Well that explains the delay.  I'm sure it'll come out once they fix that typo...

I'm curious about how this book will be treated once Alien 5 comes out.  If it is a full on retcon, then I would hope they include all of the A3, and AR material in the book somehow in the 2nd edition.  But it would be difficult to maintain the "WY files" vibe to it if we are posed with alternate time lines...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 09, 2015, 03:21:11 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 09, 2015, 03:17:18 AM
If it is a full on retcon, then I would hope they include all of the A3, and AR material in the book somehow in the 2nd edition.  But it would be difficult to maintain the "WY files" vibe to it if we are posed with alternate time lines...

Given Blomkamp's statements, I reckon it is.

Thing is with source books, they usually are printed long before a new installment is arrived. Like the Marvel Handbook Guides, they are printed before certain events are published, and when retcons happen.. more or less they are treated as authorative until the retcon takes place. So really... I see that happening here.

This will be authorative... until Blomkamp's sequel comes out and re-assigns Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2015, 07:25:47 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if it was changed in some way to accommodate Alien 5. We know Rage Wars was.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 09, 2015, 07:49:51 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 09, 2015, 03:17:18 AMIf it is a full on retcon, then I would hope they include all of the A3, and AR material in the book somehow in the 2nd edition.

What are you on about? The book already has Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection stuff in it. There are pictures of that content in this thread.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2015, 07:25:47 AMI wouldn't be surprised if it was changed in some way to accommodate Alien 5. We know Rage Wars was.

Difficult to see how they could, unless the new film is somehow going to ludicrously work around the pre-existing movies.

Probably better to just release it as it is and not worry about the fact it won't fit with the new movie.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 09, 2015, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2015, 07:25:47 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if it was changed in some way to accommodate Alien 5. We know Rage Wars was.

Wait, what?

Why accommodate for a movie if it's supposed to ignore two movies?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 09, 2015, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 09, 2015, 12:24:56 PMWhy accommodate for a movie if it's supposed to ignore two movies?

I'd be quite surprised if they did. Judging by the timeline included in the book, the info regarding the third and fourth films is quite ingrained into it. Be pretty hard to just lop it out without affecting the book. Plus, it's already been released as-is in some countries.

The only way I can see it being edited to fit the new film is if Blomkamp's movie somehow isn't a retcon and happens around the existing movies.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 09, 2015, 01:01:30 PM
Might be as simple as keeping the Aliens or the worlds or the company or whatever else in line with how they're going to be portrayed in the new film. Even if it's a different timeline, they probably don't want things straying too far off the path of what we're going to be seeing over the next few years.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 09, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
I'm still trying to wrap my head to how Rage War is accommodating for Alienkamp (I refuse to call it Alien 5 since officially, it's not being called that) because that would imply that a script has already been produced, and that Lebbon has looked at it or that Fox has looked at it and given him a list as to what to do and not to do in order not to give anything away. For this movie to be set in the Resurrection era, more or less would set it in conflict with the upcoming movie UNLESS... references to Resurrection were removed.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 09, 2015, 12:40:58 PM
I'd be quite surprised if they did. Judging by the timeline included in the book, the info regarding the third and fourth films is quite ingrained into it. Be pretty hard to just lop it out without affecting the book. Plus, it's already been released as-is in some countries.

I would be surprised if they had added Alienkamp to this book as well, though I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen. Working Alienkamp around Alien 3 and Resurrection, and keeping in mind of the things Blomkamp said is pretty hard to do.. well, not really since the whole Bobby Ewing route is an easy, easy but cheap cop out. But even if those were retconned to be dreams (I'd be pretty mad if they were and just not ignored-- not because I hate 3 and Resurrection, I love 3 but Resurrection is another story) then how would the source book keep dreams as "real" in-universe or even have a reason to keep them? Why would new EU material so much as even reference them aside from dreams them?

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 09, 2015, 12:40:58 PM
The only way I can see it being edited to fit the new film is if Blomkamp's movie somehow isn't a retcon and happens around the existing movies.

Personally, I hope the movie ignores Alien 3 and Resurrection and has no relation to them aside from the characters. I say this not because I hate Alien 3 and Resurrection, but it would cement what I've long since believed-- alternate timelines. Everything would have an assigned place. Call me selfish, but if it does what other franchises have done (you know which ones since I reference them), then I would be very happy and no one would be wrong in which path they follow.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 09, 2015, 01:01:30 PM
Might be as simple as keeping the Aliens or the worlds or the company or whatever else in line with how they're going to be portrayed in the new film. Even if it's a different timeline, they probably don't want things straying too far off the path of what we're going to be seeing over the next few years.

That might be the likely scenario. Everything which Blomkamp is saying so far suggest that this is a different timeline. Or as Hicks refers to it.. an alternate sequel. Having that said, Nightmare, I think you are on the ball with that statement.

The only way I can see Alien 5 being put into new EU stuff, or Weyland-Yutani Report is if they print out a second edition which keeps Alien 3's concepts (not necessary the events of Fury-161) and outright ignore Alien Resurrection.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2015, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 09, 2015, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2015, 07:25:47 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if it was changed in some way to accommodate Alien 5. We know Rage Wars was.

Wait, what?

Why accommodate for a movie if it's supposed to ignore two movies?

I don't know what was changed. All I know is something was changed because of the new film. Same for Fire and Stone 2, if I recall rightly.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 09, 2015, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2015, 02:25:42 PM
Same for Fire and Stone 2, if I recall rightly.

Are we sure we're getting Fire and Stone 2, because from what I remember of Randy's tweet, he said that another RESTART was called in order.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 09, 2015, 05:05:18 PM
In the end, we will probably have some sort of volume published which traces the various different alternate EU threads that have been explored over time through various media.  Someone needs to make sense of all this for the uninitiated.  That would be a valuable guide to the Alien Universe...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 09, 2015, 05:35:57 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 09, 2015, 05:05:18 PM
In the end, we will probably have some sort of volume published which traces the various different alternate EU threads that have been explored over time through various media.

As cool as that sounds, I doubt it would happen.

Of course, never say never. But it seems unlikely.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Murfy426 on Jun 11, 2015, 04:29:06 PM
This along with the colonial marine handbook would be a great addition to any aliens fans library for reference. does anybody know how much the standard edition will cost.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 11, 2015, 05:27:54 PM
I'm down with standard version as well.  The Alien on the front is bordering on cheesy.  Just give me a nice glossy dust-jacket thank you.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 12, 2015, 07:21:25 AM
Quote from: Murfy426 on Jun 11, 2015, 04:29:06 PM
This along with the colonial marine handbook would be a great addition to any aliens fans library for reference. does anybody know how much the standard edition will cost.

Not a clue. It was originally intended to be a $50 hard cover book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 12, 2015, 07:57:56 AM
The only reason that springs to mind as to why they're holding off on announcing a standard edition is that they're trying to peddle these pricey ones first, because if they announced a budget $50 version I'm guessing a lot of people would just go for that instead.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 12, 2015, 08:08:56 AM
I imagine that's the case. I believe it actually cost them a bit to put together so they need to recoup the costs, I guess.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HeavenHeart on Jun 13, 2015, 10:50:00 PM
I contacted Insight Editions through Facebook, to ask about the standard edition.

This is their reply:

"Hello (...),

We now have The Weyland Yutani Report available through our website here:

http://www.insighteditions.com/Alien-The-Weyland-Yutani-Report/dp/B00YT18PPI

At this time, there is no plan for a standard edition, though.

Thanks!
Insight team"

So there you have it, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jun 13, 2015, 11:45:54 PM
^I knew it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Quarax on Jun 14, 2015, 03:44:33 AM
:(

I guess I'm getting the French edition then. Good thing I went to a French-only elementary school.


I wonder why they called it a Collector's Edition then? That promo card they gave out at NYCC 2013 did give a price of $50.00, but the ISBN is the same as the CE.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 15, 2015, 07:37:38 AM
Quote from: HeavenHeart on Jun 13, 2015, 10:50:00 PM
So there you have it, for what it's worth.

They're just peddling the fancy edition, trying to push the sales. A lot of money went into it. Everyone I can think of that I've spoken to on the down has said one will be following.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jun 15, 2015, 07:58:55 AM
They'd get a LOT more money if they made the "fancy" edition more affordable; the special versions of Star Wars guide books like Jedi Path or Book of Sith are expensive but they're still under $100.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: drsmuts on Jun 23, 2015, 12:00:06 PM
Nice enough looking book....but no way would I part with that kind of cash for a book.

Hugely over priced.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: THE CITY HUNTER on Jun 23, 2015, 02:00:06 PM
Quote from: drsmuts on Jun 23, 2015, 12:00:06 PM
Nice enough looking book....but no way would I part with that kind of cash for a book.

Hugely over priced.
How much was it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2015, 02:55:32 PM
http://affiliates.sideshowtoy.com/Tracker.aspx?aid=3330&sku=902252&cid=-1
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/06/08/alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-collectors-edition-preview/
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: drsmuts on Jun 23, 2015, 07:10:29 PM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jun 23, 2015, 02:00:06 PM
Quote from: drsmuts on Jun 23, 2015, 12:00:06 PM
Nice enough looking book....but no way would I part with that kind of cash for a book.

Hugely over priced.
How much was it.

Price quoted on line at Sideshow... $325 dollars! Checked out the french YouTube review and it's a nice book...but not worth the massive outlay.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: skull-splitter on Jun 27, 2015, 01:14:35 PM
If not released as a standard edition, this is a waste of effort.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 29, 2015, 07:32:31 AM
I imagine they just want to milk as much cash out of this fancy pants release as they can.

I'd also be curious to see the sales.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Jun 29, 2015, 05:40:09 PM
Yep, still hope it gets a wider recognition by the fans
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: drsmuts on Jun 29, 2015, 06:32:56 PM
I can buy the french edition from Amazon.co.uk for about £28. The price difference between the hardback and the special edition seems a bit over the top for me.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HeavenHeart on Jul 01, 2015, 06:05:30 PM
On Amazon UK you can also find Alien, El informe Weyland-Yutani (Spanish). :)

From the text in the back cover, it seems that it doesn't bring any extras.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 01, 2015, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: HeavenHeart on Jul 01, 2015, 06:05:30 PMFrom the text in the back cover, it seems that it doesn't bring any extras.

That kinda sucks.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
Just an FYI but I'm trying to sort out a discount code for the book. I don't think we'll be seeing a standard edition for a while.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 02, 2015, 11:28:39 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2015, 11:27:28 AMJust an FYI but I'm trying to sort out a discount code for the book.

?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2015, 11:29:49 AM
I'm attempting to get you guys discount for the book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 02, 2015, 11:34:55 AM
Ah, wasn't sure if you were talking about just yourself, or all of us :)

EXCELLENT. Cheers, Corporal!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2015, 11:40:46 AM
Ah, sorry. I should have been more clear!

I thought it would be a good idea, help take the sting off the price, as I don't think we'll see a standard edition for a while.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 02, 2015, 11:51:34 AM
It would be nice. While I could afford to spend the whole hog, I just can't justify parting with that much cash for a book, even one as lovingly crafted as this.

So, in case it wasn't obvious, I eagerly await.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2015, 03:13:01 PM
That would be a no, I'm afraid. Sorry folk.  :-[
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 02, 2015, 03:32:28 PM
Ah, that's too bad. Thanks for trying anyway.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 02, 2015, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2015, 03:13:01 PM
That would be a no, I'm afraid. Sorry folk.  :-[

No worries, would have needed one helluva discount code to have made a difference anyway.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 02, 2015, 05:31:58 PM
Thanks for making the effort!

One day, maybe...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HeavenHeart on Jul 02, 2015, 07:49:49 PM
Thank you for trying, Corporal Hicks! :)



Thank you for trying, Corporal Hicks! :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 03, 2015, 01:20:41 AM
Quote from: HeavenHeart on Jul 02, 2015, 07:49:49 PM
Thank you for trying, Corporal Hicks! :)



Thank you for trying, Corporal Hicks! :)

This.  Tx.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: drsmuts on Jul 03, 2015, 09:46:25 AM
Thanks for trying.

I just can't see what justifies a price tag of well over 300 dollars compared to the standard version. A fancy cover and some inserts but that's it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jul 05, 2015, 07:27:35 PM
Yeah, thanks for trying Corp. Hicks.  Maybe they'll lower the price of the book of it doesn't sell well. :-\
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 07, 2015, 12:18:52 PM
I've managed to get a copy (thanks to Locusta) so I'll be doing a nice in-depth preview of the book when it arrives so we have a better idea of what's inside it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 07, 2015, 12:55:40 PM
Ah excellent, look forward to it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 07, 2015, 01:31:48 PM
And just to confirm, there are currently no plans for a standard edition of this book.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 07, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
Lame :(

Plan b, then. Find Corporal, kill him, take his book.

No offence.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 07, 2015, 01:56:52 PM
I warn you...I have a Pulse Rifle.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jul 07, 2015, 02:32:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 07, 2015, 01:56:52 PM
I warn you...I have a Pulse Rifle.

And I got a plasma caster! My ship's faster than Huda's as well.

Must have this book in my trophy belt!


(Lookin' forward to the review by the way. You know, just to see how valuable the trophy will be.)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jul 08, 2015, 10:08:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 07, 2015, 01:31:48 PM
And just to confirm, there are currently no plans for a standard edition of this book.

Huh, figures.  Tell us whether this book is any good then, will ya? ;)  I wanna know if it's really worth the overpriced $325 price tag.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 09, 2015, 08:02:45 AM
Fear not. I'm going to be a detailed preview of it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 09, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
*SIgh*  I was really hoping for a standard edition  >:(  I think I'll wait for Hicks' detailed preview and others before making my decision whether to buy this or not.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: drsmuts on Jul 09, 2015, 07:55:40 PM
I've watched the youtube reviews of the French edition, one which goes through every page of the book............and it's not worth 32 dollars let alone 325.

Some great art throughout....but that's it. Lots of photos seen hundreds of time before.

I'd buy a standard softback edition for about 20 pounds, no more.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 09, 2015, 09:24:06 PM
But one of the main ideas behind this book is the words written - it details the history of Weyland Yutani and presumably fleshes out the history of the company and the world behind ALIEN.  Hopefully that adds some more value.

I think saying it's not worth 32 dollars is a bit harsh.  Sure, it includes a lot of old images...but theres such a wealth of fantastic CGI art by Locusta and those great cross sections and the number of physical collectibles (Burke's card, and couple of pages from Morse's book???) that come with the book.  You have to be enthusiastic about that sort of stuff though.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 10, 2015, 09:09:31 AM
Yeah, I'd be willing to pay a fair bit for the book because it's a neat item with lots of nerd value.

Just not willing to pay upwards of $300.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Jul 10, 2015, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: drsmuts on Jul 09, 2015, 07:55:40 PM
I've watched the youtube reviews of the French edition, one which goes through every page of the book............and it's not worth 32 dollars let alone 325.

Some great art throughout....but that's it. Lots of photos seen hundreds of time before.

I'd buy a standard softback edition for about 20 pounds, no more.

Never saw nor found this French review. Link please, thanks
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 10, 2015, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: locusta on Jul 10, 2015, 01:45:31 PM
Quote from: drsmuts on Jul 09, 2015, 07:55:40 PM
I've watched the youtube reviews of the French edition, one which goes through every page of the book............and it's not worth 32 dollars let alone 325.

Some great art throughout....but that's it. Lots of photos seen hundreds of time before.

I'd buy a standard softback edition for about 20 pounds, no more.

Never saw nor found this French review. Link please, thanks

C'est ici monsieur Locusta:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Rx4Hxxjbk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Rx4Hxxjbk)

Although this appears to be the Spanish edition.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: drsmuts on Jul 10, 2015, 03:58:31 PM
Sorry, I made a typo in my earlier post...I meant I'd pay no more than £25, not £20. That also refers just to the standard softback without the extras.

The art is lovely, especially the cross sections.....but a lot of other books have this. I think $325 for the special book even with the extras and fancy cover is really pushing it to be honest.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RidgeTop on Jul 10, 2015, 07:33:59 PM
No standard edition? That's crazy, a book is not even worth printing if only a few can afford it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jul 10, 2015, 09:33:09 PM
Yeah, they should have just done what the Star Wars books are doing these days and just made it $70 or so with a cheaper cover, going to Sideshow Collectibles was just plain overkill.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Elmazalman on Jul 10, 2015, 09:40:22 PM
Yeah,£25 sounds about right.No way that book is worth $325,even with the fancy cover and bonus materials,just exploiting the die-hard fan's wallets.The book on Jaws (2011) had the good sense to offer fans a choice of limited hardback with bonus DVD or standard edition so all the fans could benefit and not a select few.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 11, 2015, 12:50:52 PM
To be fair, it's prolly SM's signed "Certificate of Canonicity" that's responsible for the exorbitant price.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2015, 01:50:09 PM
I'll be honest, part of me still suspects we will get a cheaper edition. I get the feeling they've put this price tag on it and are worried they won't sell any if people know a cheaper version is coming, so they're claiming this is it to try and push a few more into buying.

Could well be wrong, but that's what I suspect.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Elmazalman on Jul 11, 2015, 09:47:40 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2015, 01:50:09 PM
I'll be honest, part of me still suspects we will get a cheaper edition. I get the feeling they've put this price tag on it and are worried they won't sell any if people know a cheaper version is coming, so they're claiming this is it to try and push a few more into buying.

Could well be wrong, but that's what I suspect.
Yes i agree,a low act if true.I'll just wait for a public Library to secure a copy of the standard edition-when it's available.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jul 11, 2015, 11:40:26 PM
Some perspective, if I may.  Go and have a look at what other Alien related merchandise Sideshow sells.  Things that cost hundreds of dollars to sit your shelf and look cool.  The WYR also costs hundreds of dollars and sits on you shelf and looks cool.  The added bonus being a 160 book to read.  And of all the sculpted Alien works sold by Sideshow - this is the cheapest.

Yes, it's out of the price range of a lot of fans.  But so are the aforementioned sculptures and there doesn't seem to be any negativity aimed at them.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Jul 12, 2015, 10:50:32 AM
The difference here is that a majority of fans are wanting to buy this literally just for the book and the information it contains. Many have no interest in the fancy sculpted cover that will 'sit on the shelf and look cool'. It's just the book we want, hence why the price tag is just not viable.

Personally I think the cover is horrendous.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: drsmuts on Jul 12, 2015, 11:03:09 AM
Yep, no interest in the cover as on a shelf it just sits hidden surely?

It's the contents that people are interested in and at 160 pages it's not exactly huge in page count.

I paid £100 for the James Bond archives book by Taschen (which was very costly and to be honest, I regret buying it now) but it's got over 600 pages in it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 12, 2015, 12:36:24 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 11, 2015, 11:40:26 PM
Some perspective, if I may.  Go and have a look at what other Alien related merchandise Sideshow sells.  Things that cost hundreds of dollars to sit your shelf and look cool.  The WYR also costs hundreds of dollars and sits on you shelf and looks cool.  The added bonus being a 160 book to read.  And of all the sculpted Alien works sold by Sideshow - this is the cheapest.

Yes, it's out of the price range of a lot of fans.  But so are the aforementioned sculptures and there doesn't seem to be any negativity aimed at them.

You seem somewhat familiar. Have I threatened you before?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 12, 2015, 05:59:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 11, 2015, 11:40:26 PMSome perspective, if I may.  Go and have a look at what other Alien related merchandise Sideshow sells.  Things that cost hundreds of dollars to sit your shelf and look cool.  The WYR also costs hundreds of dollars and sits on you shelf and looks cool.  The added bonus being a 160 book to read.  And of all the sculpted Alien works sold by Sideshow - this is the cheapest.

But you're forgetting that other countries have got stripped-down, bare-bones editions. That's where the gripe comes from. We have to shell out for this when other people can buy the meat and potatoes of it for much less.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Elmazalman on Jul 12, 2015, 09:13:15 PM
This book could have been a popular choice amongst fans if published as a standard edition-at a reasonable and more sensible price.As others have said,it's the contents that are of interest to us-not the fancy bells and whistles which add nothing to the reading enjoyment of the book itself.At $325 the few who do purchase this book would be loath to use it for reference ( which is it's purpose ) lest they damage it from constant manhandling.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 15, 2015, 10:33:46 PM
Curious. Does ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report borrow some or a lot from the CM: Technical Manual?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jul 16, 2015, 12:45:41 AM
Very little.

Things like the model numbers of USCM equipment were sourced from the CMTM, but not much else.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 16, 2015, 07:57:53 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 16, 2015, 12:45:41 AM
Very little.

Things like the model numbers of USCM equipment were sourced from the CMTM, but not much else.

Interesting.

The weapons and gear, for example - how is it presented? Are the explanations, statistics and mechanisms more futuristic and advanced than then somewhat semi-"contemporary" stuff we got in CMTM or about the same?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jul 16, 2015, 10:19:18 PM

Presentation is shown at 1:00 onwards.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 17, 2015, 07:51:57 AM
Off topic for a sec, but good to see you back SM!
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Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 17, 2015, 06:21:45 PM
Oh my god I forgot this was an anomaly.

I've missed you.
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 17, 2015, 10:42:31 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 16, 2015, 10:19:18 PM

Presentation is shown at 1:00 onwards.

Cool.

Looks really flashy and almost a little bit over the top, at least compared to the CMTM. Curious though to flip through that thing.
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Post by: predxeno on Jul 18, 2015, 12:14:55 AM
Is there any chance the regular edition of the book was cancelled because producers are concerned it will conflict with Alien 5?
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Post by: RakaiThwei on Jul 18, 2015, 12:23:06 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jul 18, 2015, 12:14:55 AM
Is there any chance the regular edition of the book was cancelled because producers are concerned it will conflict with Alien 5?

Why should a book adhering to old canon be an issue when a movie establishing a new canon that's two or three years away be a problem enough to warrant cancellation for a standard edition book when the new movie won't be out for a good while?
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Post by: predxeno on Jul 18, 2015, 01:03:20 AM
I suppose for the same reason why The Rage War trilogy of books being released for the old canon had to be edited so it didn't contradict details of Alien 5's new canon.  Shit don't make sense. :-\
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Post by: RakaiThwei on Jul 18, 2015, 01:55:54 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jul 18, 2015, 01:03:20 AM
I suppose for the same reason why The Rage War trilogy of books being released for the old canon had to be edited so it didn't contradict details of Alien 5's new canon.  Shit don't make sense. :-\

Assuming Blomkamp will be completely ignoring Alien 3 and Resurrection, then his movie would regardless conflict with Rage War anyway. Wouldn't it? So that would already render Rage War obsolete.
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Post by: predxeno on Jul 18, 2015, 01:56:44 AM
Yeah, but they had to edit Rage War because they said there would be contradictions between Rage War and Alien 5 despite the fact that they took place in two different continuities.
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Post by: Ultramorph on Jul 18, 2015, 02:00:16 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jul 18, 2015, 01:56:44 AM
Yeah, but they had to edit Rage War because they said there would be contradictions between Rage War and Alien 5 despite the fact that they took place in two different continuities.

I'm still wondering about that. I recall Lebbon saying that the changes were pretty minor, which brings up all sorts of questions, especially since the previous Titan trilogy had been edited to stay in canon with A3 and AR.
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Post by: RakaiThwei on Jul 18, 2015, 02:29:11 AM
Man, this is confusing.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2015, 02:34:53 PM
He said some changes were made. We don't know to what extent.

My copy arrived this morning. Didn't have time to do anything except unpack it. It's absolutely massive.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11223705_922552861125487_7818468612248903472_n.jpg?oh=99a8b1526cf8ad518c04ec81d8b1c32a&oe=56116114)
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2015, 03:36:36 PM
I have a horrible feeling your review of it will make the decision to not spend so much on it that bit harder :(
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jul 18, 2015, 05:46:42 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 18, 2015, 02:00:16 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jul 18, 2015, 01:56:44 AM
Yeah, but they had to edit Rage War because they said there would be contradictions between Rage War and Alien 5 despite the fact that they took place in two different continuities.

I'm still wondering about that. I recall Lebbon saying that the changes were pretty minor, which brings up all sorts of questions, especially since the previous Titan trilogy had been edited to stay in canon with A3 and AR.

Perhaps we're looking at this all wrong; perhaps Rage War and the previous books by Titan will be made to be part of the new canon instead of the old canon, that would fix a lot of things.  What references to the old canon were in the Titan books, out of curiosity?
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Post by: Ultramorph on Jul 18, 2015, 06:28:37 PM
Sea of Sorrows talked about the USM and the Auriga crash.
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Post by: SM on Jul 18, 2015, 10:44:03 PM
WYR was in production long before Blomkamp's film came along.  The new film had no impact on it.
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Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 19, 2015, 12:45:30 PM
So how is Blomkamp's film coming along?

HuDaFuk said that you're apparently working on it as a consultant. Similar to what you did on the Weyland Yutani report.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 19, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 19, 2015, 12:45:30 PMHuDaFuk said that you're apparently working on it as a consultant.

:laugh: That was just a joke, I don't make it my business to keep tabs on SM.
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Post by: SM on Jul 19, 2015, 10:22:56 PM
I know as much about the Blomkamp film as anyone else.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2015, 07:46:36 AM
Nice to see you posting again, SM!  :)

I went to London Film and Comic Con yesterday so still haven't had a chance to really dig into the book but I flicked through it. The bulk of that huge package was the fancy-pants Alien cover. Very very cool, very heavy. The book itself is still pretty damn thick - bigger than the Vault. Lots of super cool artwork by Locusta - didn't see much of John's before I had to put it away but what I saw of John's artwork was really nice too. Lots and lots of extra goddies - can't wait to read Space Beast.

Hopefully I'll get to start reading tonight - still got to pack everything away. And once I've read it and previewed it, should also be doing a podcast with Locusta towards the end of the month.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 20, 2015, 08:02:41 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2015, 07:46:36 AMHopefully I'll get to start reading tonight - still got to pack everything away. And once I've read it and previewed it, should also be doing a podcast with Locusta towards the end of the month.

Nice, looking forward to all of that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 20, 2015, 01:28:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 19, 2015, 10:22:56 PM
I know as much about the Blomkamp film as anyone else.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1028.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy347%2FTheEighthPassenger%2Fgoogle_translate_zpsnccpzqiq.jpg&hash=da33f11009a72d2f5c3da28b8385d22e79030afb)

Good to hear that SM! Guess you can't talk much about it?

Good luck with the production!  :D

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Post by: SM on Jul 21, 2015, 12:49:46 AM

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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 21, 2015, 07:41:57 AM
Certainly some wonderful artistry on display.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the actual US release date for this was? It kinda slipped out without me noticing.

Wait... phrasing.

Serious question though.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 21, 2015, 07:48:51 AM
To see 120 hours of word reduced to 4 minutes is really fascinating. And to think that's per picture too.


It was sometime in June.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 21, 2015, 08:15:46 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 21, 2015, 07:48:51 AMIt was sometime in June.

Thanks.
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Post by: skull-splitter on Jul 21, 2015, 09:45:26 AM
Still no word on a "regular" release, eh?
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 21, 2015, 10:14:24 AM
Last I was told there wouldn't be one.
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Post by: Xenomorphine on Jul 21, 2015, 12:14:39 PM
No regular now? Sad panda...

"Supplied by Gearbox" must mean it's precisely the same model used in the 'Colonial Marines' game (potential errors and all). Wonder how many other assets that extends to.
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Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 21, 2015, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 21, 2015, 07:48:51 AM
To see 120 hours of word reduced to 4 minutes is really fascinating. And to think that's per picture too.

Must have been a tricky job because in the film the interior is actually much larger than the exterior. The full size vehicle was based on an old British Airways passenger plane towing tractor but the interior was a completely separate set.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 21, 2015, 01:17:45 PM
Indeed. I have to wonder what level of research goes into fixing issues like that. Obviously we saw no research taking place so in actuality it has to be more work than we see. I don't think John is on here - I'll see if I can get him across.
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Post by: USG Ishimura on Jul 21, 2015, 06:20:02 PM
Lots of research. I won't say too much until John is on here - I've sent him an email - but I believe the Gearbox model was only used to spin around and choose the exterior view / perspective.
- Graham
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 21, 2015, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 21, 2015, 01:17:45 PMI'll see if I can get him across.

Would be great if you could, be nice to hear more from the guys behind this.
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Post by: Engineer on Jul 21, 2015, 07:14:29 PM
Wow! That video made me dizzy! Great artwork though!
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Post by: Xenomrph on Jul 22, 2015, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 21, 2015, 10:14:24 AM
Last I was told there wouldn't be one.
Are you shitting me?
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 09:29:47 AM
There are no current plans for a trade edition of the book.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 22, 2015, 09:30:00 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 22, 2015, 09:01:17 AMAre you shitting me?

Like I said before, I get the impression this is simply a marketing ploy to shift more copies of the pricey version. They're probably desperate to offload as many of the Collectors' Editions as possible before announcing a cheaper version, because they likely won't sell any of the $300+ editions after that, so they're claiming it's the only version we're going to get.
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Post by: USG Ishimura on Jul 22, 2015, 12:30:41 PM
Marketing ploy.....No. A desire by the artist to show the fans of the Alien series the effort that goes into a typical illustration such as this.....Yes. Pretty certain (99%) John made the video off his own back while making the art way before showing it to Insight, but sure he can elaborate once he's online.  :)
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 12:41:04 PM
He's not referring to the video, USG. He's referring to the comments about their being no standard edition of the book planned.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 22, 2015, 12:52:05 PM
Quote from: USG Ishimura on Jul 22, 2015, 12:30:41 PMMarketing ploy.....No. A desire by the artist to show the fans of the Alien series the effort that goes into a typical illustration such as this.....Yes. Pretty certain (99%) John made the video off his own back while making the art way before showing it to Insight, but sure he can elaborate once he's online.  :)

As Corporal correctly said, I was talking about the "no standard edition" plans, not the video! The video was awesome, and I'm hugely impressed by the work that went into just that one illustration :)
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Post by: USG Ishimura on Jul 22, 2015, 01:12:20 PM
Haha! Okay, cool. Thanks for clearing that up. I know John saw it and was thinking the same as I!  ;D

On both his artwork and mine, we really want to do what's right when it comes to showing accurately as best we can how it's depicted in the movie, and by doing that, do right for the fans of the movie. Basically I was working on the APC blueprint, at the same time he was working on his print for the book, and we both worked at the same time researching, looking at screen-grabs and behind the scenes pics helping each other. Lot of fun trying to figure it all out.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 22, 2015, 01:26:36 PM
So you worked on the book too? What's your name?


If you don't mind me asking.
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Post by: USG Ishimura on Jul 22, 2015, 01:53:01 PM
Graham J Langridge. I am known on a few other forums as 'Space Jockey'.
I did not work on the book directly. Just as a behind-the-scenes 'guide' helping on vehicle / ship accuracy. The APC artwork depicted here is entirely John's work.  :)
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Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 22, 2015, 10:03:56 PM
You're the fellow behind the Nostromo blueprint in the Alien Vault book, yes?

Amazing work.
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Post by: Quarax on Jul 23, 2015, 05:54:48 AM
Quote from: USG Ishimura on Jul 22, 2015, 01:53:01 PM
Graham J Langridge. I am known on a few other forums as 'Space Jockey'.
I did not work on the book directly. Just as a behind-the-scenes 'guide' helping on vehicle / ship accuracy. The APC artwork depicted here is entirely John's work.  :)

Did you make those blueprints that are going to come with HCG's Power Loader too?
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Post by: Johnny Paintbrushes on Jul 23, 2015, 09:00:59 AM
Thanks for all the comments guys - it's a buzz to see all the discussion about the artwork.
This is rumour control, here are the facts:  ;)

- The film and making-of photos I posted were all initiated by myself and the film in particular is something I've wanted to do for a long time. Insight were cool enough to help push it through as a Fox-approved film and even though it's being used to promote the Collector's edition of the book, the film exists because I wanted to show the creative process that goes into making a cutaway artwork and will be there online to enjoy long after the Collector's edition has been marketed & sold. It was simultaneously an opportunity to write instrumental music for film & showcase my band Last Picture Show.

- The model supplied by Gearbox was the same as used in Colonial Marines but I only used the outer shell ( which was thoroughly checked by myself and the Brain Trust & cross referenced with production photos for accuracy ). All of the interior was calculated by myself and Graham J. Langridge ( USG Ishimura on this forum) to whom I am heavily indebted for helping ensure everything was as seen in the film and in its right place. I also used some Gearbox models for the other artworks in the book such as for the Powerloader ( which did need fixing ).

- As Corporal Hicks rightly suspects, research time is very consuming - just over 100 hours were spent drawing, inking, colouring and then photoshopping. It's harder to quantify time spent researching the interior content - I    allocated 20 hours to the time spent exchanging countless long emails with Graham and the rest of the Brain Trust. But I suspect this figure is actually quite conservative and was probably a load more.

- The Tardis like quality of the APC wasn't actually too much of a problem. The scale difference is slight enough to work around. The biggest problem I faced was where to put the engine as pretty much every bit of available interior space is taken up by the APC interior set we see in the film. It was Graham's idea to present the solution as in-wheel drive technology, aka the Transaxle.

Hope that helps  :)


Sorry - didn't refresh the page to see the more recent comments from Graham who is being very modest about his invaluable help with this piece ( and also the Nostromo artwork which I produced with his and Derrin Procter's help ) .  It was a really fun collaborative process to ensure everything was accurate. :)

John   
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Post by: USG Ishimura on Jul 23, 2015, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 22, 2015, 10:03:56 PM
You're the fellow behind the Nostromo blueprint in the Alien Vault book, yes?

Amazing work.

Hi Mr.Space Jockey;
Yes, that is correct and thank you.  :)


Quote from: Quarax on Jul 23, 2015, 05:54:48 AM

Did you make those blueprints that are going to come with HCG's Power Loader too?

Hi Quarax,
Yes, that too is correct. I wasn't intending to draw up the Power Loader, but was asked to by HCG specifically for their model / statue.
When I completed the APC blueprint, HCG was made aware of it by a friend who then introduced them to me. A small version of the APC blueprint was included with their APC statue and that led onto the request for a Power Loader diagram.


Quote from: Johnny Paintbrushes on Jul 23, 2015, 09:00:59 AM
The Tardis like quality of the APC wasn't actually too much of a problem. The scale difference is slight enough to work around. The biggest problem I faced was where to put the engine as pretty much every bit of available interior space is taken up by the APC interior set we see in the film. It was Graham's idea to present the solution as in-wheel drive technology, aka the Transaxle.

Yes, the whole engine and axle location thing is something that people have been wondering for a while. The inspiration for the in-wheel drive technology came from stumbling upon a website by Protean Electric, a UK fim that is developing / has developed an in-wheel electric drive system.
So I thought it was really interesting and an ideal solution for the APC especially with the large wheels it has. That left it needing a powersource, and inspiration from that came from reading an article on the Jaguar C-X75 and its micro gas turbine engine. Small enough to locate at the front passenger-side of the vehicle.

The axle component, rather than running it from the wheel into and through the APC, I chose to connect at the back of each wheel, then run it vertically toward the top of the hull where there would be another, smaller drive system acting as a 'pivot' allowing the wheels to turn independently. The way it connects at the back then vertically, I guess a similar thing to visualize it may be a front bicycle wheel (minus one of the two forks) or the Daihotai 'Jordan' Tractor, which seems to use a similar concept.

In addition what we came up with had to complement the Aliens Tech Manual and the information provided in that, because we're aware that it can be frustrating to see one book say one thing, another book say something else entirely, so we were mindful of that too.


Quote from: Johnny Paintbrushes on Jul 23, 2015, 09:00:59 AM
As Corporal Hicks rightly suspects, research time is very consuming - just over 100 hours were spent drawing, inking, colouring and then photoshopping. It's harder to quantify time spent researching the interior content - I    allocated 20 hours to the time spent exchanging countless long emails with Graham and the rest of the Brain Trust. But I suspect this figure is actually quite conservative and was probably a load more.

That's right; the thing about these movies is that one is reliant on three sources, 1.) being able to get a hold of studio blueprints; 2.) Set photographs; and 3.) the movie itself.

With 1.) we had access thanks to the brain trust of an interior APC blueprint, the trouble was it was based on an early design of the APC which was nothing like the final set (the gunner seat for instance was at the back). So that left 2.) and 3.), both of which were a case of really analysing the movie and photos on bluray and dvd releases, plus any reference photos the brain trust we able to provide. By working on the blueprints simultaneously we we able to work on one area in different views and scales to ensure it all worked and matched what was seen on screen.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 23, 2015, 03:11:41 PM
Great to hear from you guys about your work!
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Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 23, 2015, 06:36:24 PM
I am not lying when I say that it is seriously inspiring stuff.
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Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 23, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: USG Ishimura on Jul 23, 2015, 12:19:27 PM
we had access thanks to the brain trust of an interior APC blueprint, the trouble was it was based on an early design of the APC which was nothing like the final set (the gunner seat for instance was at the back). So that left 2.) and 3.), both of which were a case of really analysing the movie and photos on bluray and dvd releases, plus any reference photos the brain trust we able to provide. By working on the blueprints simultaneously we we able to work on one area in different views and scales to ensure it all worked and matched what was seen on screen.

Sounds like fun, I know even in the film itself the APC (at least it's exterior) is not consistent with itself. There are numerous little differences between the full scale prop vehicle and the two scale miniatures used in the film.

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Post by: USG Ishimura on Jul 23, 2015, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 23, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
Sounds like fun, I know even in the film itself the APC (at least it's exterior) is not consistent with itself. There are numerous little differences between the full scale prop vehicle and the two scale miniatures used in the film.

That's right. The old Halcyon APC model for instance has some detailing that is consistent with the smaller APC models built for the movie; the HCG APC statue has detailing consistent with the full-size movie APC. Sometimes one can go crazy trying to get it 100% accurate, but in those instances, you just have to make a choice, draw the line on it doing the best you can and think to yourself that both are actually correct and in the movie, so all is hopefully good.
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Post by: SM on Jul 23, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
I think my sole contribution to the process was in regards to the storage of the sentry guns.  I originally thought the crates that fell on Gorman were the sentry guns, before quickly realising they weren't.  Which was absolutely pivotal to the entire project...  ;D

From memory it was Graham's idea to store them behind Burke and Ripley's seats.

The cam images on the MTOB screens were a brilliant touch.
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Post by: Engineer on Jul 23, 2015, 10:53:32 PM
Ok, I have to ask...

I never got my hands on anything like the colonial marines technical manual, and I never noticed any inconsistencies in the APC during the movie; can someone post a pic of the two different models? I'm curious about the differences now...
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Post by: USG Ishimura on Jul 24, 2015, 12:38:06 PM
The differences really aren't all that great and the smaller fiming miniature certainly did it's job. I'll need to look at the movie again, but some examples of scenes to look at for the miniature are when Ripley barrels through the Atmosphere Processor with the APC to rescue the marines; also when they leave the Atmosphere Processor and drive through the exterior door, and then across the LV426 landscape blowing the transaxel in the process.

The areas to look at on the APC I think off the top of my head are the area above the rear wheel arches (full size APC has a dented 'canister', filming model has something that looks like a wrench in it's place). Also the full-size APC has a curved cowling over the top-mounted searchlight / camera, I think the cowling is missing on the smaller miniature but would need to rewatch the movie and refresh my memory to check.


Quote from: SM on Jul 23, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
I think my sole contribution to the process was in regards to the storage of the sentry guns.  I originally thought the crates that fell on Gorman were the sentry guns, before quickly realising they weren't.  Which was absolutely pivotal to the entire project...  ;D

From memory it was Graham's idea to store them behind Burke and Ripley's seats.

The cam images on the MTOB screens were a brilliant touch.

Actually you bringing that up was really helpful because after that we looked at the sentry gun cases more closely and realised just how frigging big those things are! Especially afer looking at the scene where Vasquez and Hudson bring the cases into Operations, and there are four of them, and John and I were thing 'where the heck do we put them!?' We were trying to figure out the size and what exactly these cases looked like, and one member of the braintrust had a photo of one plus they can actually be seen right at the beginning of the AVP (2010) videogame in the hanger where the player starts.

Finding a spot for them was more tricky. The only area where it seemed to work and for them to not be in the way was behind the seats Ripley and Burke sit during the drop. But to be sure I looked at the scene where Hudson is giving his speech during the drop, looking at the camera angles and comparing how elements within the APC are located compared to other elements, and at the same time cross-referencing that with a section through the APC I had drawn to line things up. I also looked at the behind the scenes clip of Simon Atherton when he's talking about the weaponry because you can see part of the APC set in the backgound. However, here the seats seemed further back and more flush with the door meaning there was no room for the guns, plus them being pushed further back in this particular clip didn't mesh with the camera angles scene in the movie. In the end I went with what made sense with what I saw on watching the movie by bringing the seats forward to match, and then there was enough room for the Sentry Gun cases.

It's kind of what it's like sometimes, at first it doesn't work, but you work on another area and by solving that it then opens the door to a solution to the problem you originally had.
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Post by: Engineer on Jul 24, 2015, 07:45:33 PM
Thanks for the detailed reply! When I rewatch aliens again, I'll be paying more attention to that! :-)
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Post by: USG Ishimura on Jul 24, 2015, 08:20:26 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 24, 2015, 07:45:33 PM
Thanks for the detailed reply! When I rewatch aliens again, I'll be paying more attention to that! :-)

You're welcome  :)
I love the '1 G0T P1NK 8C1D B00TS 0N' reference under your avatar by the way, it's been many years since I played that Alien Trilogy game and I remember punching in that cheat code many times!
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Post by: Engineer on Jul 24, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: USG Ishimura on Jul 24, 2015, 08:20:26 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 24, 2015, 07:45:33 PM
Thanks for the detailed reply! When I rewatch aliens again, I'll be paying more attention to that! :-)

You're welcome  :)
I love the '1 G0T P1NK 8C1D B00TS 0N' reference under your avatar by the way, it's been many years since I played that Alien Trilogy game and I remember punching in that cheat code many times!
Haha I know right?!
Some of my fondest memories of the alien franchise involve me huddled up 2 feet from a 10" boxy TV playing this game! I was still pretty young but already an obsessed alien fan since my parents made the mistake of letting me watch aliens when I was only about 6 years old! One day, my older brother came home with a PS1 and 3 games; one of those games was alien trilogy which he specifically picked up for me. I had no idea the game even existed until he popped it in and I saw the opening cinematic and title screen! Big surprise for me! :-). I believe that was about the same time I first heard the space jockeys referred to as "engineers" too, which is part of how/why I chose my user name (not prometheus! Lol). He surprised me with "alien 3" for the Super Nintendo in the same way. :-)
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Post by: USG Ishimura on Jul 24, 2015, 09:14:44 PM
I was a teenager and I really wanted a playstation and I really wanted a copy of Alient Trilogy; trouble was my folks wouldn't let me have either for some reason, so I saved up my money on the quiet, then while they were at work cycled the few miles to the electrical store to get both then cycled back with them tucked under my arm. I played it in secret for a few months, then made up some story about being able to buy them cheap off a friend. I got rumbled because my mum got a letter from the electrical store a year later wanting to know if I wanted to extent my warranty on my playstation. Ah happy days.... ;D I was pretty determined!
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Post by: Engineer on Jul 24, 2015, 10:12:04 PM
I think I was about 12 years old when alien trilogy came out, but my brother is 7 years older than me... The benefits of an older brother! Lol.

I actually had a similar story for my first eminem CD though; my older brother moved out by then. :-(


PS. I still play alien trilogy from time to time! It's still a very atmospheric game! Alien isolation has it beat, but I find more enjoyment/terror in alien trilogy than I do in colonial marines! lol
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Post by: predxeno on Jul 25, 2015, 12:25:10 AM
Quote from: USG Ishimura on Jul 24, 2015, 09:14:44 PM
I was a teenager and I really wanted a playstation and I really wanted a copy of Alient Trilogy; trouble was my folks wouldn't let me have either for some reason, so I saved up my money on the quiet, then while they were at work cycled the few miles to the electrical store to get both then cycled back with them tucked under my arm. I played it in secret for a few months, then made up some story about being able to buy them cheap off a friend. I got rumbled because my mum got a letter from the electrical store a year later wanting to know if I wanted to extent my warranty on my playstation. Ah happy days.... ;D I was pretty determined!

Lol, I helped my brother pull a similar scam regarding an Xbox 360, only problem was my brother was lazy and sloppy and it took WAY less than a year for our parents to discover the truth.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Doktor Wunderbar on Jul 26, 2015, 02:00:16 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jul 25, 2015, 12:25:10 AM
Quote from: USG Ishimura on Jul 24, 2015, 09:14:44 PM
I was a teenager and I really wanted a playstation and I really wanted a copy of Alient Trilogy; trouble was my folks wouldn't let me have either for some reason, so I saved up my money on the quiet, then while they were at work cycled the few miles to the electrical store to get both then cycled back with them tucked under my arm. I played it in secret for a few months, then made up some story about being able to buy them cheap off a friend. I got rumbled because my mum got a letter from the electrical store a year later wanting to know if I wanted to extent my warranty on my playstation. Ah happy days.... ;D I was pretty determined!

Lol, I helped my brother pull a similar scam regarding an Xbox 360, only problem was my brother was lazy and sloppy and it took WAY less than a year for our parents to discover the truth.
Hell, if I was a parent, I wouldn't even be mad.  If my kid saved up for a game system, that would at least show that he knew how to save money toward a distant goal.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2015, 06:40:32 PM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/alien-the-weyland-yutani-report-preview/

Just uploaded my preview.
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Post by: Darkness on Aug 08, 2015, 07:02:07 PM
Is the second to last picture by Locusta too?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2015, 07:06:22 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/alien-weyland-yutani-report-preview-26.jpg)

This one? I believe so.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Xenomorphine on Aug 08, 2015, 07:47:10 PM
Looks fantastic. Although, some of the theoretical stuff is a bit baffling... Why not just take the acid and put it in a conventional weapon, instead of mucking about with trying to fuse together dead Alien body parts?

But artistically, it's magnificent.

EDIT: Some slight concerns about that scan. Doesn't feel right to have an official report describing the Sulaco team as "badasses". I also seem to remember the Auriga guns were conventional, weren't they? Only the one used very early on was of a stunning configuration (and I'd imagine ranged electro-charge weaponry would have advanced substantially by that time).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Aug 08, 2015, 08:03:55 PM
Awesome preview! Looking at the timeline, I'm glad to see Fire and Stone included, as well as the references to synthetics getting civil rights, as mentioned in Sea of Sorrows. It's cool to get a coherent canon.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Xenomorphine on Aug 08, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Civil rights? That doesn't... Make much sense.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 09, 2015, 02:45:55 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 08, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Civil rights? That doesn't... Make much sense.
I guess the "new asshole models" are considered alive! Lol
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Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 09, 2015, 03:22:09 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 08, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Civil rights? That doesn't... Make much sense.
Why not?

Also I'm seriously bummed about no mass market edition on the horizon, that's an amazingly boneheaded move if they're seriously going to stick to it. If they think fans are going to just bite the bullet and pay $300 for the crazy edition, I think they're in for a rude awakening. It'd be way, way more profitable to sell a mass market edition for a reasonable price (source: the sum total history of publishing and marketing).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 09, 2015, 03:31:47 AM
I'd dish out the dough for this! I really REALLY want to too! Especially after reading AvPG's review and finding out there's an insert of Mores' book! I've always wanted to see more from him, considering he was the only real survivor in the original trilogy! Unfortunately though, I'll never be able to convince my wife to let me buy it for this price... :-(. For that reason, I definitely hope a more affordable version will eventually come out...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2015, 12:10:02 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 08, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Civil rights? That doesn't... Make much sense.

Funny you should say that, because the main character of the novel "Sea of Sorrows", Alan Decker, feels exactly the same!  ;D

He says how if you give Synthetics civil rights, you might as well give civil rights to a starship. Apparently, when Weyland-Yutani rose back to power, they "fixed" this little issue.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 09, 2015, 02:43:21 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2015, 07:06:22 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/alien-weyland-yutani-report-preview-26.jpg)

This one? I believe so.

I like the images. The text is crap. Eh.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 08, 2015, 08:03:55 PM
Awesome preview! Looking at the timeline, I'm glad to see Fire and Stone included, as well as the references to synthetics getting civil rights, as mentioned in Sea of Sorrows. It's cool to get a coherent canon.

Speaking of Fire and Stone, is there anything mentioned or hinted about the Predators?

I read Hicks' preview which was an interesting read, one part stood out, the bit that talks about the Engineers not being our creators but a "brother species", what could that mean? It reminded me of how some fans still hope there is a legitimate "Space Jockey" type creature and the Engineers were their creation.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 08, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Civil rights? That doesn't... Make much sense.

How can it not? They're essentially alive and will want the rights that everyone around them do.

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 09, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
Speaking of Fire and Stone, is there anything mentioned or hinted about the Predators?

Nah. What you see in the timeline is it. It's mostly focused on the film.

QuoteI read Hicks' preview which was an interesting read, one part stood out, the bit that talks about the Engineers not being our creators but a "brother species", what could that mean? It reminded me of how some fans still hope there is a legitimate "Space Jockey" type creature and the Engineers were their creation.

I think that's what it's hinting out. But as I said, they didn't really go into much theorizing during the Prometheus section. I wonder if it's some sort of purposefully placed hint.

Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 09, 2015, 02:43:21 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2015, 07:06:22 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/alien-weyland-yutani-report-preview-26.jpg)

This one? I believe so.

I like the images. The text is crap. Eh.

Anything in particular?

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: janenad on Aug 09, 2015, 07:22:41 PM
Great preview!
One question Hicks, does it theorize in the book why the alien in the Nostromo was different from the aliens on LV-426, is it age or casts probably? And in the new beginnings section, on the xeno armor page, there's a weird head piece on the xeno, can you elaborate on what is it and how it works, or just upload a picture of the page?  ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Xenomorphine on Aug 09, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 09, 2015, 03:22:09 AM
Why not?

Because they're machines. :)

QuoteAlso I'm seriously bummed about no mass market edition on the horizon, that's an amazingly boneheaded move if they're seriously going to stick to it. If they think fans are going to just bite the bullet and pay $300 for the crazy edition, I think they're in for a rude awakening. It'd be way, way more profitable to sell a mass market edition for a reasonable price (source: the sum total history of publishing and marketing).

Same... Just for the cut-aways, alone, this is one of those rare examples of a book I'd genuinely love to own a copy of. There isn't any way to justify this price. They really are cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 09, 2015, 12:10:02 PM
Funny you should say that, because the main character of the novel "Sea of Sorrows", Alan Decker, feels exactly the same!  ;D

He says how if you give Synthetics civil rights, you might as well give civil rights to a starship. Apparently, when Weyland-Yutani rose back to power, they "fixed" this little issue.

I vaguely remember this... Can recall readily agreeing with that logic.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
How can it not? They're essentially alive and will want the rights that everyone around them do.

They'd only care about it if they're programmed to do so - and there's no reason for anyone to put in the immense time and effort necessary to do that. There'd be zero commercial incentive.

That's why I didn't understand a lot of the promotional materials surrounding David 8. It made a big deal about how the model was able to experience anger/sadness/whatever and all I could think of was why the hell you'd do that if you're creating it specifically to undertake what would amount to slave labour.

Creating an illusion of human behaviour (to help with crew cohesion) is a world apart from creating something which can literally experience it. The kind of things we've seen them being used for, they'd never need the capacity to experience actual emotions.

'Terminator 2' had a great scene in this regard, where John Connor asked the Terminator if it cares about whether it completes its assigned objectives. In other words, whether it has any emotional investment in the outcome. And it just says no... In the absence of contingencies, it would merely become obsolete for the rest of eternity.

That's exactly how a machine would view itself. It wouldn't care or get sad or anything like that. All the stuff from David 8 about how he wanted his 'parents' dead, struck me as lazy writing for the sole purpose of trying to inject drama for drama's sake.

Even Bishop acts relatively emotionless, in regards to termination. He has a measure of self-preservation and comradeship, but tells Ripley to pull the plug because he'll never stand a chance of being top of the line, again.
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Post by: predxeno on Aug 09, 2015, 10:21:59 PM
Any chance the fancy pants edition will go down in price as time goes on?  I know most sculpts from SideShow go up with time, but I doubt anybody wants a $325 book so the demand for it may not be as high.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 09, 2015, 10:42:55 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 09, 2015, 02:43:21 PM
I like the images. The text is crap. Eh.

Anything in particular?

The tone feels off, describing the Marines as badasses feels very Gearbox-y, saying the Aliens exhibited no tactics on LV-426 until the Queen told them to smarten up (essentially) ... eh, I'm very picky I guess. I don't like the writing style.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 09, 2015, 11:05:05 PM
"fluff"?

QuoteOne question Hicks, does it theorize in the book why the alien in the Nostromo was different from the aliens on LV-426, is it age or casts probably?

A caste system is theorised, but not specifically relating to head shape.  There are other theories about heads.

QuoteAnd in the new beginnings section, on the xeno armor page, there's a weird head piece on the xeno, can you elaborate on what is it and how it works, or just upload a picture of the page?

The Alien related armour exists pretty much to combat Aliens due to acid resistance.

QuoteThe tone feels off, describing the Marines as badasses feels very Gearbox-y, saying the Aliens exhibited no tactics on LV-426 until the Queen told them to smarten up (essentially) ... eh, I'm very picky I guess. I don't like the writing style.

It's a guy expressing an arguably overconfident - just like the second film - second hand opinion using language just like the second film.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 02:53:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 09, 2015, 11:05:05 PM
It's a guy expressing an arguably overconfident - just like the second film - second hand opinion using language just like the second film.

I know, I think it's a hard tone to pull off without sounding dopey. I'm just a picky bastard.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 03:05:47 AM
If it's any consolation that tone is only one page.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 10, 2015, 03:22:32 AM
Wow!

Ok, so I was curious about this thread, and went ALL the way back to the very beginning and read everything up to now! This thread should be kept permmenately! It has everything!

Emotional highs and lows
Canon debates
Speculations and theories
Insults
People getting banned
Celebrity appearances
Trips down memory lane (i.e., alien trilogy on ps1, hell yea! Good ol' days)
And a dash of real facts occasionally sprinkled in!

Oh the drama! It's all here! This made for a better story than AvP:R and A:CM, both! Lol

More seriously though, I have some catching up to do on the new canon. I have the Titan trilogy, and I'm really looking forward to diving into those, especially book 3. I haven't yet touched or obtained any parts of fire and stone, but I've been VERY intrigued by everything I've heard about it. I'm still working on beating isolation; it stressed me out so much that I haven't been able to get the nerve up to finish it! Haha.

I own most of the materials released between 1988 and 2010, and while some of the comics and novels were really good, I never felt like they were officially part of the series. They were all more of a 'what if' scenario to me. Don't get me wrong; some of the stories I really wanted to be part of the official canon, they just didn't quite fit for me. My favorite stories were probably genocide, rogue and I also really like music of the spears (it was odd, but a unique direction/angle that I appreciated). Most of the other EU stuff I felt was terrible, like original sin and DNA war. The avp stories I liked too (except the movies), but never really felt like they fit in either.

I like the fact that fox is trying harder to maintain a stronger continuity/consistency. And with fire and stone, being official, it still has ties to the predators which is interesting. In fact, it seems like a stronger tie now in my opinion. I'd be ok without predators being part of the alien series officially, but if they respect both series well enough in their own rights, I'm ok with them being tied together too.

I don't like the idea of alien 3 being retcon'd (alien 4 I don't care about so much) but I have a feeling that alien 5 won't be a retcon, at least not in the way we're all use to (time will tell though), And I'd like to hear more about what's in store for predator 4. Prometheus 2, I think has potential, especially if mr. Scott is moving away from "gods and dragons." But aside from the visuals, really the only thing about prometheus 1 I liked was that it trampled all over the avp movies! I got a lot of satisfaction out of that! Lol

With all that being said, I'm overall very happy to hear that the stories in the EU that I never felt like they fit in, aren't being squeezed in and explained with half assed rational. But they aren't being denounced either. That fact actually makes me want THIS book more! The extra content is a huge plus too; I really want to know more about those things too, like space beast for example!

The big icing on the cake for me would/will be if A:CM gets the same treatment! I've read here that isolation got mentioned in this book, which I was extremely happy to hear! Isolation deserves canon status! But A:CM not so much!

So my one big question, which I saw about a half dozen people ask but it never got answered, is: what's the status on A:CM? Did it get ignored or left out of this book??
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 03:48:37 AM
Spoiler
There's no references to the events depicted in A:CM.

There's the odd reference to Isolation, Fire & Stone, Out Of The Shadows, and River of Pain, but none reveal any great detail.

QuoteBut they aren't being denounced either.

It wouldn't be possible in this kind of book to say "The Aliens never invaded Earth", but the events are just the films, plus the media mentioned above.
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 10, 2015, 04:19:31 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 03:48:37 AM
Spoiler
There's no references to the events depicted in A:CM.

There's the odd reference to Isolation, Fire & Stone, Out Of The Shadows, and River of Pain, but none reveal any great detail.

QuoteBut they aren't being denounced either.

It wouldn't be possible in this kind of book to say "The Aliens never invaded Earth", but the events are just the films, plus the media mentioned above.
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Spoiler

Thanks SM! Yea I knew addressing the EU wasn't really this books intention, but it wasn't necessary to mention the Titan trilogy, isolation or fire and stone but it did. Maybe it was just for promotional reasons, but nonetheless I'm still liking this direction from fox so far! Of course, that can all change for the worst! I'll be upset if alien 5 utilizes time travel for example, but I doubt that's what we're in for.

On another note, maybe this should be canon, because of the soundtrack! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cbBlYfTbA44 Lol, totally jk.
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PS. SM, if it's not in violation of any NDAs, can you tell us what was your favorite part about this book? Whether you had a hand in it or not? Just curious...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 06:07:43 AM
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I think they'd like to tie in as much of their Alien IP into the films as possible, but at the same time appreciate it just isn't possible after 25 years of different media, creators and licensees.  It seems like it was simpler to just draw a line under everything and start with Out Of The Shadows and go from there.  They'd already decided on the scope of what it would cover long before I ever got involved.  It was interesting seeing references to things that weren't going to be released for another 12 months.
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My favourite part is probably the Prometheus and Resurrection stuff - the stuff about Alien and Aliens was always going to be the gold quality stuff, but some of the 'lesser' films had some really good content.  I don't think I'm speaking out of school if I say that neither Prometheus nor Resurrection is among Danelle's favourites and it comes out in the writing - and this is for the better.  It allows the author to be critical of the film while being the 'Company voice' that can be critical of the characters actions.  There's two stand out pieces, one from Vickers perspective and another from Gedimans that are brilliant.  The stuff relating to Aliens (the film) takes up a fair old chunk of the book (due to 7 of the 10 illustrations being from that film), but I was happy to see the 'not as popular' flicks not get shafted.

My 'hand' was fact checking and proof reading.  I contributed a couple of captions here and there John's EEV and Betty illustrations.

And I got a character named after me.  Which was nice.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 07:33:27 AM
Quote from: janenad on Aug 09, 2015, 07:22:41 PM
One question Hicks, does it theorize in the book why the alien in the Nostromo was different from the aliens on LV-426, is it age or casts probably?

I don't recall them talking about specific appearances. They do theorize over behavioural differences though. How they act without a Queen, etc. They also talk about a possible cast system. .


QuoteAnd in the new beginnings section, on the xeno armor page, there's a weird head piece on the xeno, can you elaborate on what is it and how it works, or just upload a picture of the page?  ;D

It's something to control the Alien. A shock harness of sorts if I remember rightly.

Quote from: SM on Aug 09, 2015, 11:05:05 PM
"fluff"?

Sorry it's something I've picked up quite recently from the gaming groups. It essentially means in-universe reasons. Not as widespread as I thought?

QuoteIt's a guy expressing an arguably overconfident - just like the second film - second hand opinion using language just like the second film

Definitely. It's just that section trying to be in character.

Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 06:07:43 AM
Spoiler
I think they'd like to tie in as much of their Alien IP into the films as possible, but at the same time appreciate it just isn't possible after 25 years of different media, creators and licensees.  It seems like it was simpler to just draw a line under everything and start with Out Of The Shadows and go from there.  They'd already decided on the scope of what it would cover long before I ever got involved.  It was interesting seeing references to things that weren't going to be released for another 12 months.
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The references to the other media aren't particularly large though. It's more of a comment here, a comment there.

QuoteMy favourite part is probably the Prometheus and Resurrection stuff - the stuff about Alien and Aliens was always going to be the gold quality stuff, but some of the 'lesser' films had some really good content.  I don't think I'm speaking out of school if I say that neither Prometheus nor Resurrection is among Danelle's favourites and it comes out in the writing - and this is for the better.  It allows the author to be critical of the film while being the 'Company voice' that can be critical of the characters actions.  There's two stand out pieces, one from Vickers perspective and another from Gedimans that are brilliant.  The stuff relating to Aliens (the film) takes up a fair old chunk of the book (due to 7 of the 10 illustrations being from that film), but I was happy to see the 'not as popular' flicks not get shafted.

I thought the Resurrection section was quite short actually and it was a real shame the Prometheus section wasn't allowed to theorize a bit more. I really liked it when they made some small comments about the Engineers. That Gediman thing took me quite by surprise. I wasn't expecting to see something trying to develop his character.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 07:59:01 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 06:07:43 AMMy favourite part is probably the Prometheus and Resurrection stuff - the stuff about Alien and Aliens was always going to be the gold quality stuff, but some of the 'lesser' films had some really good content.

Totally agree.

Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 06:07:43 AMI don't think I'm speaking out of school if I say that neither Prometheus nor Resurrection is among Danelle's favourites and it comes out in the writing - and this is for the better.  It allows the author to be critical of the film while being the 'Company voice' that can be critical of the characters actions.

I did get a good giggle out of how the book keeps referring to the USM and their project on the Auriga in such derogatory terms.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 07:33:27 AMDefinitely. It's just that section trying to be in character.

More than that, it's supposed to be an interview excerpt.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 07:33:27 AMI thought the Resurrection section was quite short actually and it was a real shame the Prometheus section wasn't allowed to theorize a bit more.

Yeah, it felt disappointingly hampered, obviously by the fact they can't mess with the second movie. Understandable, but a shame.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 07:33:27 AMThat Gediman thing took me quite by surprise. I wasn't expecting to see something trying to develop his character.

Yeah, that was great :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 08:13:02 AM
QuoteSorry it's something I've picked up quite recently from the gaming groups. It essentially means in-universe reasons. Not as widespread as I thought?

"fluff" sounds inconsequential and dismissive.

QuoteThe references to the other media aren't particularly large though. It's more of a comment here, a comment there.

From memory, beyond the timeline the most prominent is a reference to Brackett.  Odd mention of the Marion or Amanda,  and not much more than a sentence when they do pop up.

QuoteI thought the Resurrection section was quite short actually and it was a real shame the Prometheus section wasn't allowed to theorize a bit more.

I think in terms of page count it's about the same as Alien, oddly enough.  A lot of info from Alien is in the section about the creature though.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 08:31:33 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 08:13:02 AM
QuoteSorry it's something I've picked up quite recently from the gaming groups. It essentially means in-universe reasons. Not as widespread as I thought?

"fluff" sounds inconsequential and dismissive.

Well it's certainly not intended as such. As I said, it means in-universe reasons. I'll reword it.


QuoteFrom memory, beyond the timeline the most prominent is a reference to Brackett.  Odd mention of the Marion or Amanda,  and not much more than a sentence when they do pop up.

Yeah, that's exactly it. Enough to be in there and easily recognized.

Quote
I think in terms of page count it's about the same as Alien, oddly enough.  A lot of info from Alien is in the section about the creature though.

Seemed much shorter when reading it. Granted I didn't count the pages at that point.


*Fixed.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 08:42:21 AM
I've been looking everywhere for this book. How is it? Is the content official?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Aug 10, 2015, 09:12:02 AM
Nice preview but you forgot the key question, is it honestly worth the money?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 08:42:21 AM
I've been looking everywhere for this book. How is it? Is the content official?

It's certainly official.

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 10, 2015, 09:12:02 AM
Nice preview but you forgot the key question, is it honestly worth the money?

That's for you to decide! I've shown you what's in it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 03:05:47 AM
If it's any consolation that tone is only one page.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, I only read that one extract so I won't judge the whole tome.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 10, 2015, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 06:07:43 AM
And I got a character named after me.  Which was nice.

Was it the Walmart company man?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 03:05:47 AM
If it's any consolation that tone is only one page.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, I only read that one extract so I won't judge the whole tome.

The pictures in the gallery should be good enough quality for you to read some of the other sections.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Aug 10, 2015, 04:28:40 PM
I'm sorely tempted. But I know the moment I do they'll announce a massive price cut.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 10, 2015, 04:46:21 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 10, 2015, 04:28:40 PM
I'm sorely tempted. But I know the moment I do they'll announce a massive price cut.

This.  100%

It will be a version with a stylish dust jacket without the sculpted Alien slipcase.  Who wants to place bets?

I mean I don't have objections to the marketing strategy as I am sure a lot of work went into this to finally make this book properly.  As a fan I can understand that the creators need to make some good money here and they deserve it for putting out quality material.  But come on.  Who are we kidding here?  There is no way this is not going to be released as a version that everyone can afford.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 10, 2015, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 06:07:43 AM
And I got a character named after me.  Which was nice.

Was it the Walmart company man?
Now I am definitely checking it out!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 10, 2015, 04:55:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 06:07:43 AM
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I think they'd like to tie in as much of their Alien IP into the films as possible, but at the same time appreciate it just isn't possible after 25 years of different media, creators and licensees.  It seems like it was simpler to just draw a line under everything and start with Out Of The Shadows and go from there.  They'd already decided on the scope of what it would cover long before I ever got involved.  It was interesting seeing references to things that weren't going to be released for another 12 months.
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My favourite part is probably the Prometheus and Resurrection stuff - the stuff about Alien and Aliens was always going to be the gold quality stuff, but some of the 'lesser' films had some really good content.  I don't think I'm speaking out of school if I say that neither Prometheus nor Resurrection is among Danelle's favourites and it comes out in the writing - and this is for the better.  It allows the author to be critical of the film while being the 'Company voice' that can be critical of the characters actions.  There's two stand out pieces, one from Vickers perspective and another from Gedimans that are brilliant.  The stuff relating to Aliens (the film) takes up a fair old chunk of the book (due to 7 of the 10 illustrations being from that film), but I was happy to see the 'not as popular' flicks not get shafted.

My 'hand' was fact checking and proof reading.  I contributed a couple of captions here and there John's EEV and Betty illustrations.

And I got a character named after me.  Which was nice.
So is it fair to say that you have an improved appreciation for prometheus and resurrection now?

And seriously?!? Which character was named after you? That's freaking awesome!

And last big question:
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You mentioned seeing references to stories that didn't come out for another 12 months. Is that just stuff like fire and stone, titan's trilogy and isolation? Or are there other things on the horizon that none of us know about yet mentioned in this book? I suspect all content explicitly referenced in this book has been announced and/or released by now, but I had to ask.
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: janenad on Aug 10, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
Thanks SM and Hicks for the replies! Can you, SM, elaborate on the theorizing about the different head shapes of the xenomorph that was presented in this book?  :o
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Aug 10, 2015, 05:31:45 PM
It seems a little odd that the Fire and Stone mission is mentioned on the timeline but the LV-178 missions are not.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Aug 10, 2015, 05:33:16 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 10, 2015, 05:31:45 PM
It seems a little odd that the Fire and Stone mission is mentioned on the timeline but the LV-178 missions are not.

I think, in-universe, W-Y doesn't know about the 178 stuff at the point when the Report is written.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Aug 10, 2015, 05:42:36 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 10, 2015, 05:33:16 PM

I think, in-universe, W-Y doesn't know about the 178 stuff at the point when the Report is written.

Out of the Shadows I can forgive, although there's nothing to say any of Ash's transmissions didn't get back to the company. But Sea of Sorrows should be referenced. It was a company mission after all.

I understand the reasoning if the book is meant to be about the pre-reformation WY, but for completionist sake I'd have preferred them to be in there.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Aug 10, 2015, 05:55:58 PM
Actually, Sea of Sorrows happens after the Report was written. I believe the W-Y Report is supposedly written around the time Resurrection happens, so about 100 years before Sea of Sorrows. The W-Y Report even figures into Sea of Sorrows, as I believe it's supposed to be the report Decker and the rest of the mercenaries are told to read.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 06:13:04 PM
I definitely got the impression that this report was written before Sea of Sorrows. And by all indications, W-Y didn't receive Ash's notes.

Quote from: Engineer on Aug 10, 2015, 04:55:14 PM
And seriously?!? Which character was named after you? That's freaking awesome!

I thought I saw your surname!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 03:05:47 AM
If it's any consolation that tone is only one page.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, I only read that one extract so I won't judge the whole tome.

The pictures in the gallery should be good enough quality for you to read some of the other sections.

I'll certainly check 'em out once I have the chance. I'm skiving from my dissertation by being here in the first place  :laugh: Two weeks, two weeks...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 03:05:47 AM
If it's any consolation that tone is only one page.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, I only read that one extract so I won't judge the whole tome.

The pictures in the gallery should be good enough quality for you to read some of the other sections.

I'll certainly check 'em out once I have the chance. I'm skiving from my dissertation by being here in the first place  :laugh: Two weeks, two weeks...

You and your education!  :P Fair enough, Val. Completely understood.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 06:46:35 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 10, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 03:05:47 AM
If it's any consolation that tone is only one page.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, I only read that one extract so I won't judge the whole tome.

The pictures in the gallery should be good enough quality for you to read some of the other sections.

I'll certainly check 'em out once I have the chance. I'm skiving from my dissertation by being here in the first place  :laugh: Two weeks, two weeks...

You and your education!  :P Fair enough, Val. Completely understood.

After the 28th August I'm all yours  :laugh:
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 09:55:52 PM
Quote
Well it's certainly not intended as such. As I said, it means in-universe reasons. I'll reword it.

Not heard it in that context before.

QuoteSo is it fair to say that you have an improved appreciation for prometheus and resurrection now?

No, I already held both in fairly high regard.  I expected Prometheus to be fairly prominent, but not Resurrection and was happy to see it wasn't given second rate treatment.

QuoteAnd seriously?!? Which character was named after you? That's freaking awesome!

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Now that'd be telling.   ;)  All I'll say is it's an existing character who didn't have a canonical first name.
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QuoteYou mentioned seeing references to stories that didn't come out for another 12 months. Is that just stuff like fire and stone, titan's trilogy and isolation? Or are there other things on the horizon that none of us know about yet mentioned in this book? I suspect all content explicitly referenced in this book has been announced and/or released by now, but I had to ask.

Just the comics, books and Isolation - at that point.  It is however Aliens 30th next year, so watch this space.
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QuoteThanks SM and Hicks for the replies! Can you, SM, elaborate on the theorizing about the different head shapes of the xenomorph that was presented in this book?

Not to give too much away but
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it relates to the presence of a Queen, or not.
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QuoteI thought I saw your surname!

That's on the back page.

And there's no mention of Sea of Sorrows because, as others have said, it hasn't happened yet in the timeframe of the book.  The book is set shortly after Resurrection.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 11, 2015, 12:38:53 AM
SM,
Spoiler

Come on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in? Lol I suspect Alien 3...
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And on another note, I previously had a small discussion with you here and on the Alien: Isolation forums (I went by the username Al Bangya over there, in case you didn't put 2 and 2 together) regarding the moon LV-426 and some of its physical/environmental properties and how it might have changed post terraforming. I also had an idea regarding why LV-426 might have been selected for terraforming in the first place. I recently re-posted my thoughts on this here hoping to spark a larger discussion, but that didn't happen. Not as many science junkies here as I thought I guess. Lol. Anyway, is there any new information about LV-426 presented in this book? Or how about the atmospheric processors and how they work? I'm curious if I should massively overhaul my ideas regarding all that in light of new information available! :-)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 01:29:50 AM
Ok, this book really sounds awesome!  The more I hear the better it gets.  My wallet is getting seriously itchy...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
QuoteCome on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in? Lol I suspect Alien 3...

It's not an odd numbered film...  ;)

There's a tiny bit about terraforming but essentially the stuff about LV-426 is taken from the films.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 11, 2015, 02:03:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
QuoteCome on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in? Lol I suspect Alien 3...

It's not an odd numbered film...  ;)

There's a tiny bit about terraforming but essentially the stuff about LV-426 is taken from the films.
Ok so that leaves us with alien 4??? Prometheus would be odd numbered because it's the first in its own series? Or is that considered unnumbered which means it's not exactly odd numbered either? I think it's from alien 4!!!


PS. If I ask what's added about terraforming, you're going to give another cryptic answer, right? Lol. :-)


PPS. Come to think about it... Technically resurrection doesn't have "4" in the title! None of them do, except alien 3! So if "not odd numbered" is referring to the title rather than it's chronological release, you've really only ruled out 1 movie!

I know there were canonical first names for everyone in alien, and aliens... And I now know it's not anyone in alien 3 for sure... I suppose I should look up whether there's anyone in alien resurrection who lacks an official first name or not... Damn it! You're going to make me do work for this!! Lol
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 02:22:22 AM
QuotePS. If I ask what's added about terraforming, you're going to give another cryptic answer, right? Lol. :-)

Can't give everything away, dude!  ;D

QuoteI know there were canonical first names for everyone in alien, and aliens...

Were there?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 11, 2015, 02:45:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 02:22:22 AM
QuotePS. If I ask what's added about terraforming, you're going to give another cryptic answer, right? Lol. :-)

Can't give everything away, dude!  ;D

QuoteI know there were canonical first names for everyone in alien, and aliens...

Were there?
Ok, yea. Just looked around and nope! I guess there wasn't. I didn't see one for Ash (but I have a good feeling it ain't him), and a couple of characters with small roles in aliens. But I'm still assuming it isn't aliens because I'd image the first names for any of those characters would be shared with the actor/actress who portrayed them (like with most of the marines). I'm still thinking it's someone in alien 4 or prometheus...

How about this... How much screen time did the character have?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 03:28:36 AM
Approximately 62 minutes and 33 seconds.

Give or take.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 11, 2015, 03:32:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2015, 08:13:02 AM
QuoteSorry it's something I've picked up quite recently from the gaming groups. It essentially means in-universe reasons. Not as widespread as I thought?

"fluff" sounds inconsequential and dismissive.
"Fluff" is more of a tabletop gaming term, it refers to backstory fiction that has no bearing on gameplay. From a gameplay perspective, it largely is inconsequential and dismissive, but game developers/writers put it in as a way to give "flavor" or "personality" to characters/armies/whatever.

Basically anything that's not strictly hard-line stats-and-numbers used in actual gameplay is "fluff".

I think fluff is super-cool. I've bought several RPG/tabletop wargame sourcebooks and whatnot strictly for the fluff, with absolutely no intention of ever playing their associated games.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 11, 2015, 03:42:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 03:28:36 AM
Approximately 62 minutes and 33 seconds.

Give or take.
Oh geez! That's hardley a small role! Lol

Is that all actual time onscreen? Or the runtime from beginning up until the characters demise?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2015, 07:15:41 AM
I'm gonna have to crack out the book later and have a look for you.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 08:04:38 AM
Pretty sure I might know who SM is talking about, but I won't say. All I'll say is... the character did sort of have a first name before, but never one that was officially confirmed, just inferred, and this book now changes that for a new one.

One goof I have noticed in this book - Vriess' character bio on the Betty crew page says he died on the USM Auriga, when he clearly didn't. It's not even a case of in-universe mixed-up or incomplete info on the part of the report writer, because a little later it mentions that he survived the incident! Whoops :) In fact, the book also gives Vriess' first name as Dom, when the novelization of the film calls him John. It's a bit strange as the other Resurrection first names in the report tie up with those that were given in the novel, and a bunch of other book-only stuff is mentioned (like Kawlang).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 08:09:49 AM
Vriess 'death' - and a few other things - should be corrected if there's any future printings.

I deliberately didn't correct his first name.  Between Jonathan Clemens, Jonathan Gediman, Johner - too many 'Johns'.  And as Danelle was using an established precedent for naming (used on some prisoners and the Prometheus crew as well) I thought Dom suited him better anyway.

The subject of names came up with Kane and the other Nostromo crew too.  They're all like 'Arthur Dallas', 'Ellen Ripley', but Kane was Gilbert Ward 'Thomas' Kane.  I pointed it out, but they liked the full name for Kane, so it stayed.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 08:29:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 08:09:49 AMI deliberately didn't correct his first name.  Between Jonathan Clemens, Jonathan Gediman, Johner - too many 'Johns'.  And as Danelle was using an established precedent for naming (used on some prisoners and the Prometheus crew as well) I thought Dom suited him better anyway.

That's fair enough, was just something I noticed.

Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 08:09:49 AMThe subject of names came up with Kane and the other Nostromo crew too.  They're all like 'Arthur Dallas', 'Ellen Ripley', but Kane was Gilbert Ward 'Thomas' Kane.  I pointed it out, but they liked the full name for Kane, so it stayed.

The first name Thomas is given in a few places, like the novel for one. I got a chuckle out of the fact they included it as an alias.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 11:12:11 AM
The novel is the original (and only) source for Thomas to my knowledge.  I don't think it was any script draft and ADF made it up.  I always thought it was a nickname.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 11, 2015, 11:29:30 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 11, 2015, 02:03:29 AM
Come on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in?

It is:

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Scott Milburn (with one "L") from Prometheus. Formerly Rafe Millburn, biologist.  ;)
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 11, 2015, 11:29:30 AMIt is:

Spoiler
Scott Milburn (with one "L") from Prometheus. Formerly Rafe Millburn, biologist.  ;)
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Spoiler
Well if I'd known SM's first name was Scott, that would've made working out who it is a lot easier!
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 03:37:14 PM
So there are some rumours that since "Fire and Stone" is mentioned in the W-Y book, that Predators are also mentioned in the W-Y book.  Is this true?  Is there any mention of predators in the W-Y book?  That would be pretty lame IMO.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Xenomorphine on Aug 11, 2015, 03:54:01 PM
If FAS is canonised, then everything within that series is, too. Nonsensical Elden stuff, included.

Of course, depending on what the new 'Alien' film does in regards to the previous two, this entire book might soon be rendered irreconcilable with new canon, regardless. :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 03:37:14 PMSo there are some rumours that since "Fire and Stone" is mentioned in the W-Y book, that Predators are also mentioned in the W-Y book.  Is this true?  Is there any mention of predators in the W-Y book?  That would be pretty lame IMO.

As I just explained in the other thread, the report makes reference to the events of Aliens: Fire and Stone, ergo Predator: Fire and Stone must also have happened.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 11, 2015, 03:54:01 PM
If FAS is canonised, then everything within that series is, too. Nonsensical Elden stuff, included.

Of course, depending on what the new 'Alien' film does in regards to the previous two, this entire book might soon be rendered irreconcilable with new canon, regardless. :)

This is exactly what I just pointed out in another thread.  But it should be mentioned here.


Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 03:37:14 PMSo there are some rumours that since "Fire and Stone" is mentioned in the W-Y book, that Predators are also mentioned in the W-Y book.  Is this true?  Is there any mention of predators in the W-Y book?  That would be pretty lame IMO.

As I just explained in the other thread, the report makes reference to the events of Aliens: Fire and Stone, ergo Predator: Fire and Stone must also have happened.

Yes and its appropriate to bring the predator comment into this thread totally.  I think basically this draft of the W-Y book is doomed.  It will have to be retconned completely once Alien 5 comes out.  I smell a real cluster-truck brewing.  I honestly hope that in a future version of the book they include the Alien 5 and Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection films, but how could it then be presented as an "in-universe" documentary?  If W-Y puts out a documentary about two separate timelines, that smells of time-travel which is not suitable for this franchise.  Ergo, the whole book will need to be re-written.  Only the pictures will be good.


The idea of Elden doesn't bother me as being potentially canon.  But the execution would need to be totally different.  Elden was actually pretty well done for a comic book but there is no way that would ever fly in film.  Is Elden really canon?  Seriously?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 11, 2015, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 11, 2015, 11:29:30 AMIt is:

Spoiler
Scott Milburn (with one "L") from Prometheus. Formerly Rafe Millburn, biologist.  ;)
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Spoiler
Well if I'd known SM's first name was Scott, that would've made working out who it is a lot easier!
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haha... I don't know for sure if that is the correct character, it's just an educated guess. Millburn is a good choice since his initials would be SM.  ;)
Anyone know if they managed to fix Mil(l)burns last name? I know SM warned the editors about the typo but it might have been too late.
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Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 04:09:58 PMErgo, the whole book will need to be re-written.

Lolwut?

No reason to screw with it for no reason. It's a beautiful book. Who cares if it doesn't fit in with the new film? It can still stand as a fine document of the old series.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 05:05:46 PM
It can totally stand alone as a document of the original series.  But I think everyone here would love to see the art and contents of this book combined with Alien 5 and Prometheus 2.  And that would require not just an addition to the book, but an actual rewrite and rethink.  It won't be possible top resent 2 timelines from an in-universe perspective.  Which is all just as well.  I'll probably get the second version too...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 11, 2015, 05:06:53 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 04:09:58 PM
I think basically this draft of the W-Y book is doomed.  It will have to be retconned completely once Alien 5 comes out.  I smell a real cluster-truck brewing.  I honestly hope that in a future version of the book they include the Alien 5 and Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection films, but how could it then be presented as an "in-universe" documentary?  If W-Y puts out a documentary about two separate timelines, that smells of time-travel which is not suitable for this franchise.  Ergo, the whole book will need to be re-written.  Only the pictures will be good.

And what if Alien 5 sucks balls? In such a case, why would you rewrite a perfectly good book just to accommodate a potentially crappy movie's canon?
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 11, 2015, 05:06:53 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 04:09:58 PM
I think basically this draft of the W-Y book is doomed.  It will have to be retconned completely once Alien 5 comes out.  I smell a real cluster-truck brewing.  I honestly hope that in a future version of the book they include the Alien 5 and Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection films, but how could it then be presented as an "in-universe" documentary?  If W-Y puts out a documentary about two separate timelines, that smells of time-travel which is not suitable for this franchise.  Ergo, the whole book will need to be re-written.  Only the pictures will be good.

And what if Alien 5 sucks balls? In such a case, why would you rewrite a perfectly good book just to accommodate a potentially crappy movie's canon?

Wish somebody asked that in 1992...
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Post by: janenad on Aug 11, 2015, 05:10:34 PM
Thanks SM for the reply!  ;D Though it is just theorizing, the theory would not really match with Alien Isolation where all the xenos are domed and a queen is supposedly present, plus they're older than the xenos in Aliens which just throws out the age theory..  :-\
I'd just like for a more concrete explanation for the difference, James Cameron in Aliens said it was age, A:CM and other sources said it was casts ( I like that idea the most), A:I just added more to the confusion not explaining anything even though I love the game.

Who knows, maybe it's the environment? 
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 05:05:46 PMBut I think everyone here would love to see the art and contents of this book combined with Alien 5 and Prometheus 2.

Have you asked "everyone"?

I for one wouldn't want that at all.

Pretty sure everyone who worked so hard on the book would be pretty pissed off by the idea too.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 05:40:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 05:05:46 PMBut I think everyone here would love to see the art and contents of this book combined with Alien 5 and Prometheus 2.

Have you asked "everyone"?

I for one wouldn't want that at all.

Pretty sure everyone who worked so hard on the book would be pretty pissed off by the idea too.

You're certainly welcome to not want a book which would feature a documentation of all the main Alien films.  I mean that would only make sense.  Who am I to judge?

Maybe you can refrain from talking on behalf of the creators and I'll change "everyone" to "most people".  Ultimately a poll will solve the rhetorical question.

Why don't we ask the creators if they would ever want to change the book to accommodate Alien 5 and Prometheus 2?  I'm not knocking the book.  I think it is an outstanding achievement.  I just think it's a fair question so that the hard work they put in does not get relegated to non-canon status.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 06:01:37 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 05:40:29 PMYou're certainly welcome to not want a book which would feature a documentation of all the main Alien films.

It does document all the main Alien films. Alien 5 isn't going to be out for years yet, so are you suggesting they delay the book until then? What would be the point in that?
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Not at all.  I'm suggesting that once the new films come out, it would be great to see this book get updated to reflect the complete Alien films.  That does not negate the value of this book as it is, but it would necessitate a new format in the sense that it could no longer be in-universe if it covered multiple timelines.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 06:13:44 PMNot at all.  I'm suggesting that once the new films come out, it would be great to see this book get updated to reflect the complete Alien films.  That does not negate the value of this book as it is, but it would necessitate a new format in the sense that it could no longer be in-universe if it covered multiple timelines.

Or they could just leave it as it is and not worry about it.

Seriously, what would be the point? If we're redoing stuff to make it fit the new film, why not go back and redo all the old comics? All the novels? Everything? Because it would be an utterly pointless enterprise. The book serves its purpose as it is.
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Post by: TheBATMAN on Aug 11, 2015, 07:53:42 PM
Or perhaps the new film will not be part of the old series. Just a standalone, what-if sequel to Aliens that has no bearing whatsoever on anything else. Minor details might be amended to official materials to introduce some new organisations and characters that are introduced in the movie but the actual core-story may be unofficial, it's just too early to tell. Blomkamp has already stated has he not that Alien 3 is not being retconned and that Weaver is not playing Ripley 8 so unless the characters are being de-aged for a pre-Alien 3 adventure I don't see how this can be canon.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2015, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 06:13:44 PMNot at all.  I'm suggesting that once the new films come out, it would be great to see this book get updated to reflect the complete Alien films.  That does not negate the value of this book as it is, but it would necessitate a new format in the sense that it could no longer be in-universe if it covered multiple timelines.

Or they could just leave it as it is and not worry about it.

Seriously, what would be the point? If we're redoing stuff to make it fit the new film, why not go back and redo all the old comics? All the novels? Everything? Because it would be an utterly pointless enterprise. The book serves its purpose as it is.

OMG!  Thank you Huda!  finally.  You admit that it makes no sense to go retconning all the old printed material.  They should have never retconned the original Aliens series of comics for example.  How would a retcon of this new book be any different than the retcon of the original comics?  Both are in-universe volumes.  Its not like either of them is an external commentary on the films.  These are internal works.

Anyway, I think the book is perfect the way it is.  When new films come out it would be great to see a new edition of the book, perhaps with a different premise that still references these great illustrations but also includes the new materials.  Obviously it couldn't be an in-universe piece anymore so the text would have to change.  That does not negate the value of this current W-Y book.
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Post by: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 10:14:54 PM
Predators don't rate a mention.

QuoteThanks SM for the reply!  ;D Though it is just theorizing, the theory would not really match with Alien Isolation where all the xenos are domed and a queen is supposedly present, plus they're older than the xenos in Aliens which just throws out the age theory..  :-\
I'd just like for a more concrete explanation for the difference, James Cameron in Aliens said it was age, A:CM and other sources said it was casts ( I like that idea the most), A:I just added more to the confusion not explaining anything even though I love the game.

Who knows, maybe it's the environment?

Could all of the above or none.  There's really no hard and fast definitions for this.  During the process, I was discussing the perceived intelligence of the Queen and someone mentioned that fans are going to interpret and reinterpret what they see and read in terms of the Alien, and there was no desire to quash this.  Presenting things in the forms of in-universe reports, sometimes second or third hand, written by people with their own opinions and biases avoids being definitive, and allows for growth in future projects.

QuoteI just think it's a fair question so that the hard work they put in does not get relegated to non-canon status.

It's much easier to think of canon as a fluid concept when it comes to Alien (as contradictory as that sounds).  For example, the AvP films aren't referenced in the book, which would lead one to think - okay AvP and Alien aren't canonically linked.  However, Fire and Stone - which includes Predator and AvP is referenced (if only very vaguely).

Prometheus 2 was taken into consideration while this was being written, but it was pretty much in the can before Blomkamp pitched Alien '5'.  As we've recently seen, Prometheus 2 is shooting early next year.  Despite rumours to the contrary I know nothing of the production of Alien 5, Jon Snaw.  To my knowledge it's still a long way off.

Alien and Aliens obviously won't get 'relegated'.  I'd be surprised if Alien3 and Resurrection didn't.  Stuff has been 'relegated' since 1992, so no one should be really surprised if stuff in the future gets the same treatment.  Even though Fox are making an effort to tie everything together, films are still at the top of the pile.

Oh, and it's not Millburn.   ;D
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 12, 2015, 07:32:37 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 09:03:37 PMOMG!  Thank you Huda!  finally.  You admit that it makes no sense to go retconning all the old printed material.

When have I ever claimed they should?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Lone Survivor on Aug 12, 2015, 08:24:37 PM
Here's a page by page preview of the Weyland-Yutani Report....



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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 13, 2015, 02:53:42 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 12, 2015, 07:32:37 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2015, 09:03:37 PMOMG!  Thank you Huda!  finally.  You admit that it makes no sense to go retconning all the old printed material.

When have I ever claimed they should?

In our discussion on "Which EU Books Are Worth Reading?" Reply #55, you say "Correct. To ensure the story actually makes some sense in the context of the films, by making Ripley an android."  This is in reference to the original material written by Mark Verheiden back around 1988.  You treat the original Verheiden material very flippantly, which you're entitled to do of course.  But why apply a logic which is aimed at trying to avoid a retcon of the W-Y book when you don't apply the same logic to the Verheiden series?  Is one work somehow more deserving of a retcon than the other?

Have you had a chance to listen to Mark Verheiden in the recent podcast about the making of Alien 3?  He's a very good sport about all of the changes that were made to his graphic novels, but you can tell that the man was wounded by what happened.
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Post by: SM on Aug 13, 2015, 03:23:58 AM
Thems the breaks if you're working with someone elses IP.

Remember all the unprecedented touting of A:CM as being canon?  It doesn't rate the briefest mention in WYR, while stuff that wasn't touted as canon does.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 13, 2015, 08:03:07 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 13, 2015, 02:53:42 AMIn our discussion on "Which EU Books Are Worth Reading?" Reply #55, you say "Correct. To ensure the story actually makes some sense in the context of the films, by making Ripley an android."

That's why they did it. I never said I agreed it was a good idea to change stuff.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 13, 2015, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 13, 2015, 08:03:07 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 13, 2015, 02:53:42 AMIn our discussion on "Which EU Books Are Worth Reading?" Reply #55, you say "Correct. To ensure the story actually makes some sense in the context of the films, by making Ripley an android."

That's why they did it. I never said I agreed it was a good idea to change stuff.

No, but you have a generally dismissive approach to the original Mark Verheiden graphic novels, which from what I gather in our recent conversations, you still haven't read.  But this is totally O.T., and well to each his own anyway.


Quote from: SM on Aug 13, 2015, 03:23:58 AM
Thems the breaks if you're working with someone elses IP.

Remember all the unprecedented touting of A:CM as being canon?  It doesn't rate the briefest mention in WYR, while stuff that wasn't touted as canon does.

Yes this is true, and I think Verheiden understands things this way as well, but it would be great to see him writing something again in the Alien universe.  I haven't seen anyone author capture the cynicism of the series as well as he did.  O.T. I know.

The Alien canon seems to be very fluid indeed.  From your experience in working on the W-Y book, do you have a sense that the creators would be interested in expanding the book in some way to take into account Prometheus 2 and Alien 5 once those movies come out?  I for one, would love to see all of the new objects and themes from the upcoming films given the same treatment.  While I do hope to pick up the current book at some point, that would not prevent me from picking up an expanded version eventually.  Was there ever a discussion about an expansion to accommodate the upcoming films?
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 13, 2015, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 13, 2015, 04:19:23 PMNo, but you have a generally dismissive approach to the original Mark Verheiden graphic novels, which from what I gather in our recent conversations, you still haven't read.

Without wishing to totally derail this thread... I have since read them, actaully. The original, unedited versions. I stand by all my comments in the novel reviews thread. They just aren't very good.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 13, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
After seeing the book page by page, I have to say I am getting more and more impressed.  This is exactly the sort of book I was hoping would be made someday.  The hard work and care that was put in by the artists makes me hope that many copies will be sold at the limited edition price, but there is also a part of me which hopes to see the book released to the mass market.

I have a question.  There have recently been some amazing blueprints put together of the Sulaco, the APC, and the Nostromo.  The Nostromo blueprint was featured in the Alien Vault book.  I guess I just figured that the APC and Sulaco would be included with the W-Y book for some reason.  I'm guessing that is not the case?

If they are not included in the W-Y book then this becomes O.T., but does anyone know if they are to be published somewhere eventually?
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Post by: SM on Aug 13, 2015, 10:20:05 PM
QuoteThe Alien canon seems to be very fluid indeed.  From your experience in working on the W-Y book, do you have a sense that the creators would be interested in expanding the book in some way to take into account Prometheus 2 and Alien 5 once those movies come out?  I for one, would love to see all of the new objects and themes from the upcoming films given the same treatment.  While I do hope to pick up the current book at some point, that would not prevent me from picking up an expanded version eventually.  Was there ever a discussion about an expansion to accommodate the upcoming films?

No.  Anything that might relate to the ultimate fates of Shaw or David is redacted, and the book was pretty much finished before there was any hint of Neil's movie.

Personally, I think any stuff relating to Prometheus 2 and Alien '5' would come in a completely new publication.

QuoteI have a question.  There have recently been some amazing blueprints put together of the Sulaco, the APC, and the Nostromo.  The Nostromo blueprint was featured in the Alien Vault book.  I guess I just figured that the APC and Sulaco would be included with the W-Y book for some reason.  I'm guessing that is not the case?

No blueprints.  And to my knowledge no current plans to publish them.  I'd be surprised if they didn't show up in some official capacity at some point, but Graham would know more than me on that sort of thing.

QuoteWithout wishing to totally derail this thread... I have since read them, actaully. The original, unedited versions. I stand by all my comments in the novel reviews thread. They just aren't very good.

Book 1 and 2 are both still among the best Aliens comics.  Earth War takes a big nosedive in both writing and artwork.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 14, 2015, 04:03:07 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 13, 2015, 03:23:58 AM
Thems the breaks if you're working with someone elses IP.

Remember all the unprecedented touting of A:CM as being canon?  It doesn't rate the briefest mention in WYR, while stuff that wasn't touted as canon does.


That's pretty hilarious.

I'm still really hoping a mass-market publication of this gets announced (preferably soon).
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 14, 2015, 07:39:09 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 13, 2015, 10:20:05 PMBook 1 and 2 are both still among the best Aliens comics.  Earth War takes a big nosedive in both writing and artwork.

Eh, I was far from thrilled, given how they're often built up by fans. Book Two looked gorgeous, sure, I'm certainly not knocking Beauvais' artwork, or Nelson's for that matter, but at the end of the day the point of a comic is to tell a story, and I thought the story in the first two was kinda lame. But I already went into my thoughts when I reviewed the novels.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 14, 2015, 04:03:07 AMI'm still really hoping a mass-market publication of this gets announced (preferably soon).

I stand by my opinion that one will come out eventually, and that the current denial is just a marketing ploy.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2015, 11:30:29 AM
Just an FYI but we are going to be having a chat with Locusta this Sunday. The fellas over at Perfect Organism are also going to be having John on their show too.
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Post by: Xenomorphine on Aug 15, 2015, 11:18:35 AM
I don't think it's just a marketing ploy, but it does feel a little arrogant. Perhaps justifiable arrogance, mind you... Have a feeling that the ultra-expensive busts and figures, which sell for hundreds at a time, probably had something to do with this. Fox undoubtedly regards this publication as a 'premium' product and that's why they're asking for a premium-rate price.

Whether or not that eventually translates into a desire for further sales, by lowering the price and removing the added extras, is anyone's guess. Didn't the 'Alien Vault' originally sell for a lot higher than it now does?

I do wonder just how much that special case contributed to the overall price. It's apparently heavy, but I'd guess it could have been 3D printed for a cheaper amount of money.
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Post by: predxeno on Aug 15, 2015, 07:15:16 PM
Lol, I just checked the Sideshow Collectibles page for this and found out that shipping and handling is $25 so that means the book will cost $350 total, but don't worry, if you sign up for the Sideshow newsletter, you get a $10 off coupon so in the end it's all worth it. :laugh:
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Post by: SM on Aug 15, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
QuoteI do wonder just how much that special case contributed to the overall price. It's apparently heavy, but I'd guess it could have been 3D printed for a cheaper amount of money.

A sculpted Alien bust that looks nice sat on your shelf too, is heavier and more expensive.
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Post by: Beatnation on Aug 17, 2015, 12:39:54 PM
Exclusive extracts from prisoner Morse's tell-all novel, Space Beast

This is by far the most interesting part of this report, so awesome.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 07:45:08 AM
You should be able to read a page in one of my pictures. I think it was clear enough for you to get a feel of it:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/alien-weyland-yutani-report-preview-17.jpg)
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 18, 2015, 07:54:29 AM
Space Beast was a really good read, had my laughing quite a few times, just a shame it was so short yet meant to be the entire thing.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 08:10:10 AM
Yeah, that was pretty much my only complaint about it.
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Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2015, 09:17:25 AM
If it'd really just been an excerpt people would be complaining about 'Where's the rest of it?'
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 18, 2015, 09:17:25 AM
If it'd really just been an excerpt people would be complaining about 'Where's the rest of it?'

True enough. And we can explain it away by saying that Morse wasn't really one for writing a big book. Still a bit disappointing but it's just a minor annoyance. I felt it was very in-character and a fun read. I do wish a book would go back and use Morse post-Alien 3.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 18, 2015, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 18, 2015, 09:17:25 AM
If it'd really just been an excerpt people would be complaining about 'Where's the rest of it?'

True enough. And we can explain it away by saying that Morse wasn't really one for writing a big book. Still a bit disappointing but it's just a minor annoyance. I felt it was very in-character and a fun read. I do wish a book would go back and use Morse post-Alien 3.

This.  I think it would be great to see an expansion of Morse's history via a stand-alone Post-Alien 3 book.  Despite wanting Alien 3 retconned, I still love the film on its own merits and the only way to move that story forward seems to me to be through Morse's perspective.  So I really hope the powers that be give some consideration to expanding this into something bigger as a continuation from Alien 3.
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Post by: Beatnation on Aug 19, 2015, 01:52:44 AM
Well thnx man, awesome read.
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Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 19, 2015, 02:02:18 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 18, 2015, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 09:27:22 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 18, 2015, 09:17:25 AM
If it'd really just been an excerpt people would be complaining about 'Where's the rest of it?'

True enough. And we can explain it away by saying that Morse wasn't really one for writing a big book. Still a bit disappointing but it's just a minor annoyance. I felt it was very in-character and a fun read. I do wish a book would go back and use Morse post-Alien 3.

This.  I think it would be great to see an expansion of Morse's history via a stand-alone Post-Alien 3 book.  Despite wanting Alien 3 retconned, I still love the film on its own merits and the only way to move that story forward seems to me to be through Morse's perspective.  So I really hope the powers that be give some consideration to expanding this into something bigger as a continuation from Alien 3.

Shh! My fan sequel that continues the Alien series has Morse brought on the Patna to see the excavated, radioactive remains of the derelict and a handful of salvaged alien eggs. He's nearly executed, but instead shipped to another ass-end-of-space prison and sworn to secrecy under penalty of death until someone investigating Hadleys digs him up.

I'll make it one day, goddamnit, and you'll see lol.

Anyway this volume looks incredibly epic. I can't swing it right now, but it's up there with some dream collectables that are on a list. That time-lapse of the fellow doing the APC cutaway was absolutely breathtaking. Great work guys, I hope its a success.
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Post by: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 02:40:05 AM
QuoteThis.  I think it would be great to see an expansion of Morse's history via a stand-alone Post-Alien 3 book.  Despite wanting Alien 3 retconned, I still love the film on its own merits and the only way to move that story forward seems to me to be through Morse's perspective.  So I really hope the powers that be give some consideration to expanding this into something bigger as a continuation from Alien 3.

With the generally positive reaction to a continuation to Aliens - I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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Post by: Engineer on Aug 19, 2015, 03:35:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 02:40:05 AM
QuoteThis.  I think it would be great to see an expansion of Morse's history via a stand-alone Post-Alien 3 book.  Despite wanting Alien 3 retconned, I still love the film on its own merits and the only way to move that story forward seems to me to be through Morse's perspective.  So I really hope the powers that be give some consideration to expanding this into something bigger as a continuation from Alien 3.

With the generally positive reaction to a continuation to Aliens - I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I would never expect a movie continuing on with Morse, but a good novel sequel to alien 3 following Morse's character would be AWESOME! I've said it before too! I even said A:CM should have brought Morse back instead of Hicks because that would have made a helluva lot more sense! I'm hoping Titan will eventually release a Book featuring Morse as a 4th entry in their recent series of novels. (Fingers crossed).

PS. I'm still trying to figure out which character has been knighted with your name, SM... I had to take a temporary hiatus from it though; sometimes work requires me to focus my attention to other fields of research in my free time! Lol
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Post by: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 04:27:00 AM
That's no excuse!!

;D

Again, with Morse - Aliens is the popular one; not Alien3.  Supposed fans of Alien3 often have trouble telling the characters apart.  I don't believe there would be a large enough audience for a whole novel centred around Morse (hence the reason the three novels they did release were centred around the first two films).
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Post by: RagingDragon on Aug 19, 2015, 04:38:57 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 02:40:05 AM
QuoteThis.  I think it would be great to see an expansion of Morse's history via a stand-alone Post-Alien 3 book.  Despite wanting Alien 3 retconned, I still love the film on its own merits and the only way to move that story forward seems to me to be through Morse's perspective.  So I really hope the powers that be give some consideration to expanding this into something bigger as a continuation from Alien 3.

With the generally positive reaction to a continuation to Aliens - I wouldn't get your hopes up.

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Morse is the perfect character to continue on in some covert/subterfuge corporate malfeasance shit Alien continuation plotline, and this is easily segwayed into via the investigation that would follow the LV-426 incident. Even if he was left alive and isolated in the middle of nowhere, Morse is the type to say "f**k your secrecy" and spill the beans to someone important, like a relative of one of the marines, a high-ranking officer of the USCM, or an ICC investigator.

It's like the f**king Alien series was born on obsessive attention to detail in a hyper-realistic, gritty sci-fi setting, then suddenly went full retard after Alien 3 happened. How in the living shit did no writer conceive or even attempt an idea like this?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 19, 2015, 02:22:48 PM
The Morse continuation is such an obvious way to go that even I started to work on a script in the '90s that focused on Morse.  But it's lost, somewhere in time.  Like tears in the rain.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 19, 2015, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
QuoteCome on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in? Lol I suspect Alien 3...

It's not an odd numbered film... 

Scott Gorman?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 19, 2015, 06:59:11 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 19, 2015, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
QuoteCome on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in? Lol I suspect Alien 3...

It's not an odd numbered film... 

Scott Gorman?

Could be. SM always were an asshole.

Spoiler
Nah man, I'm just kidding. SM is cool  :laugh:
[close]
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 19, 2015, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
QuoteCome on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in? Lol I suspect Alien 3...

It's not an odd numbered film... 

Scott Gorman?

"Thanks for the coffee".
;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 20, 2015, 12:18:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 19, 2015, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
QuoteCome on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in? Lol I suspect Alien 3...

It's not an odd numbered film... 

Scott Gorman?


"Thanks for the coffee".
;D

Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen.  We found'im.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 02:53:34 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 20, 2015, 12:18:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 19, 2015, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
QuoteCome on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in? Lol I suspect Alien 3...

It's not an odd numbered film... 

Scott Gorman?


"Thanks for the coffee".
;D

Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen.  We found'im.

Seriously?!? I could have sworn Gorman had a canonical first name! It wasn't "William" or "bill"??
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2015, 03:14:05 AM
Gorman's first name starts with an S.  Only marine besides Hicks who doesn't share a first initial with the actor.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 03:17:52 AM
Wow. That's pretty cool! :-)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2015, 03:20:33 AM
I thought so.  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 03:27:48 AM
You should change your username to SG


Or perhaps: SG, the fan formerly known as SM

Lol, jk
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2015, 04:23:18 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 20, 2015, 04:46:05 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 02:53:34 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 20, 2015, 12:18:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 19, 2015, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 11, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
QuoteCome on! You can't say which character?! Can you at least specify the movie the character appears in? Lol I suspect Alien 3...

It's not an odd numbered film... 

Scott Gorman?


"Thanks for the coffee".
;D

Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen.  We found'im.

Seriously?!? I could have sworn Gorman had a canonical first name! It wasn't "William" or "bill"??

Hmmm, Gorman totally seems like a William.  Bill, billy, or mac or buddy...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2015, 07:41:30 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 10:05:10 PM"Thanks for the coffee".
;D

So I was right :)

I've never actually noticed what initial he has on the manifest seen in Aliens. I always assumed it was W. I'll try to remember to look next time I watch the film.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2015, 07:41:30 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2015, 10:05:10 PM"Thanks for the coffee".
;D

So I was right :)

I've never actually noticed what initial he has on the manifest seen in Aliens. I always assumed it was W. I'll try to remember to look next time I watch the film.

I think that was my mistake too. I assumed it was a W, or perhaps I saw the "s" first-initial and assumed there was already a name, not just a letter. I can't remember now... Lol
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
For what it's worth, I think ACM might have explicitly said his first name was William...

But regardless, that was always the first name I've known to be assigned to him because all the other Marines (except Hicks) similarly steal the actor's first name. I just assumed it had been changed for the book. It was only when SM mentioned having someone named after him that it clicked.

After that, I guessed it was either Gorman who was named for SM, or S. D. Perry was secretly a Thin Lizzy fan and it was a subtle nod to Scott Gorham :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 02:43:58 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
For what it's worth, I think ACM might have explicitly said his first name was William...

But regardless, that was always the first name I've known to be assigned to him because all the other Marines (except Hicks) similarly steal the actor's first name. I just assumed it had been changed for the book. It was only when SM mentioned having someone named after him that it clicked.

After that, I guessed it was either Gorman who was named for SM, or S. D. Perry was secretly a Thin Lizzy fan and it was a subtle nod to Scott Gorham :P

Did ACM say Gorman's name was William?!? Shite! That's probably where I got it from! Damn you ACM! Filling my head with false-canon! Lol :-)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Aug 20, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Lol, out of curiosity did ACM provide any additions to the canon (besides its basic storyline) that is worth noting?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Aug 20, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Lol, out of curiosity did ACM provide any additions to the canon (besides its basic storyline) that is worth noting?

Not that I'm aware of... SG (see what I did there, lol) had confirmed earlier that this book makes no reference to ACM either.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Aug 20, 2015, 04:55:19 PMLol, out of curiosity did ACM provide any additions to the canon (besides its basic storyline) that is worth noting?

Turk.

;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 06:25:42 PM
Lmfao!


Well, you know, know that I'm thinking about it, I guess there is one thing that ACM might have contributed to the canon. Just before Bella dies, a WY scientist describes the alien's gestation like a cancer that attaches and feeds off of multiple internal organs or something to that effect... which is why it can't be surgically removed from the host without killing the host in the process...

But again, I don't think anything in ACM will be taken seriously by itself. Maybe if this concept gets introduced in alien 5 or something it would be taken more seriously...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 20, 2015, 08:58:00 PM
It this book serves as the official canon bible then nothing from ACM matters.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2015, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 02:43:58 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
For what it's worth, I think ACM might have explicitly said his first name was William...

But regardless, that was always the first name I've known to be assigned to him because all the other Marines (except Hicks) similarly steal the actor's first name. I just assumed it had been changed for the book. It was only when SM mentioned having someone named after him that it clicked.

After that, I guessed it was either Gorman who was named for SM, or S. D. Perry was secretly a Thin Lizzy fan and it was a subtle nod to Scott Gorham :P

Did ACM say Gorman's name was William?!? Shite! That's probably where I got it from! Damn you ACM! Filling my head with false-canon! Lol :-)

Thou shall not worship false-canon, for it is the work of the Pitchfork.


And I seem to recall some conversation about Dino's bar and grill...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 21, 2015, 07:36:30 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2015, 09:55:47 PMAnd I seem to recall some conversation about Dino's bar and grill...

:)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 21, 2015, 08:17:24 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Aug 20, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Lol, out of curiosity did ACM provide any additions to the canon (besides its basic storyline) that is worth noting?
It was the first official source to use the name "Calpamos" for the gas giant that LV-426 orbits. It was originally a fan term that was fabricated out of thin air on the Xenopedia wiki;  ACM apparently saw it, assumed it was legit, used it, and in doing so, inadvertently made it canon. :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 21, 2015, 08:24:02 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 21, 2015, 08:17:24 AMIt was originally a fan term that was fabricated out of thin air on the Xenopedia wiki;  ACM apparently saw it, assumed it was legit, used it, and in doing so, inadvertently made it canon. :P

It's a shame they didn't see our page that pointed out Hicks was dead :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 21, 2015, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 21, 2015, 08:17:24 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Aug 20, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Lol, out of curiosity did ACM provide any additions to the canon (besides its basic storyline) that is worth noting?
It was the first official source to use the name "Calpamos" for the gas giant that LV-426 orbits. It was originally a fan term that was fabricated out of thin air on the Xenopedia wiki;  ACM apparently saw it, assumed it was legit, used it, and in doing so, inadvertently made it canon. :P

I've been wondering where the f**k that came from. Why Calpamos, HuDa?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 21, 2015, 09:30:17 AM
I have no idea. I've only been working on the site for a couple of years, and when I joined it was literally full of unsourced b.s. (that name being just one of those things). I've done my best to tidy things up but there's still quite a lot that I just haven't had the time/knowledge to fix.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Deacs1973 on Aug 21, 2015, 11:57:52 AM
Hi guys - just to report on the excellent service I had from Sideshow Collectables - I ordered the book on a Saturday here in the UK and on the Thursday (5 days in Sunday) my package arrived - i certainly didn't expect it to arrive that quick -the packaging was first class with a box in a box in a box with polystyrene as well and that was before you got to the actual book packaging  - I haven't had chance to read it yet but my first impressions are its very well done - i will put my thoughts on once I have time to digest it fully - Great work Guys
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 21, 2015, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 21, 2015, 09:30:17 AM
I have no idea. I've only been working on the site for a couple of years, and when I joined it was literally full of unsourced b.s. (that name being just one of those things). I've done my best to tidy things up but there's still quite a lot that I just haven't had the time/knowledge to fix.

I think it is a name from a Joseph Conrad story, but I'm happy to stand corrected. Perhaps someone more familiar with his books might be able to confirm?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 02:17:01 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2015, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 20, 2015, 02:43:58 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
For what it's worth, I think ACM might have explicitly said his first name was William...

But regardless, that was always the first name I've known to be assigned to him because all the other Marines (except Hicks) similarly steal the actor's first name. I just assumed it had been changed for the book. It was only when SM mentioned having someone named after him that it clicked.

After that, I guessed it was either Gorman who was named for SM, or S. D. Perry was secretly a Thin Lizzy fan and it was a subtle nod to Scott Gorham :P

Did ACM say Gorman's name was William?!? Shite! That's probably where I got it from! Damn you ACM! Filling my head with false-canon! Lol :-)

Thou shall not worship false-canon, for it is the work of the Pitchfork.

Lol. This made my day! :-)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 22, 2015, 03:26:49 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 21, 2015, 09:30:17 AM
I have no idea. I've only been working on the site for a couple of years, and when I joined it was literally full of unsourced b.s. (that name being just one of those things). I've done my best to tidy things up but there's still quite a lot that I just haven't had the time/knowledge to fix.
What sort of stuff? Shoot me a PM or something, I might be able to help.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 21, 2015, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 21, 2015, 09:30:17 AM
I have no idea. I've only been working on the site for a couple of years, and when I joined it was literally full of unsourced b.s. (that name being just one of those things). I've done my best to tidy things up but there's still quite a lot that I just haven't had the time/knowledge to fix.

I think it is a name from a Joseph Conrad story, but I'm happy to stand corrected. Perhaps someone more familiar with his books might be able to confirm?
As far as I can tell, it was made up wholesale by the internet. Googling "calpamos" brings up endless references to the Alien/AvP wikis, and googling "calpamos conrad" brings up nothing relevant.

But A:CM inadvertently canonized it (which I find pretty funny), and at the end of the day I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 04:50:39 AM
I'm not gonna lie... The wiki site fooled me! I thought calpamos was legit. I figured it was referenced from the colonial marines technical manual or the movie novelizations or something else I haven't read yet... Lol.

I never caught that ACM references calpamos though! That's kind of funny.

But I have to admit, I actually really like the name, and I kind of hope it sticks!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Aug 22, 2015, 07:22:51 AM
Quote from: Deacs1973 on Aug 21, 2015, 11:57:52 AM
Hi guys - just to report on the excellent service I had from Sideshow Collectables - I ordered the book on a Saturday here in the UK and on the Thursday (5 days in Sunday) my package arrived - i certainly didn't expect it to arrive that quick -the packaging was first class with a box in a box in a box with polystyrene as well and that was before you got to the actual book packaging  - I haven't had chance to read it yet but my first impressions are its very well done - i will put my thoughts on once I have time to digest it fully - Great work Guys

Thanks allot. Hope You enjoy it and please feel free to share Your thoughts here if You like. Cheers.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 22, 2015, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 04:50:39 AMBut I have to admit, I actually really like the name, and I kind of hope it sticks!

It apparently has, because Fire and Stone used it.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 22, 2015, 03:26:49 AMWhat sort of stuff? Shoot me a PM or something, I might be able to help.

Nothing in particular that immediately springs to mind, you're probably better off just browsing the site. The EU articles in particular are a mess, but I'm almost completely ignorant as far as that goes. But by all means chip in if you want, the help would be appreciated!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 22, 2015, 12:41:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 22, 2015, 03:26:49 AM
As far as I can tell, it was made up wholesale by the internet. Googling "calpamos" brings up endless references to the Alien/AvP wikis, and googling "calpamos conrad" brings up nothing relevant.

Yeah, looks like I was thinking of the word Galapagos not Calpamos.  :-[

But the closest we have to an official name for the gas giant is Epsilon from the Spaihts Engineers script. At least that is propably a little bit more canon than acm.  :P
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 22, 2015, 12:54:12 PM
Is there something about eggmorphing in this book?
I hated how they ignored it in the new novel series until now.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 22, 2015, 12:41:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 22, 2015, 03:26:49 AM
As far as I can tell, it was made up wholesale by the internet. Googling "calpamos" brings up endless references to the Alien/AvP wikis, and googling "calpamos conrad" brings up nothing relevant.

Yeah, looks like I was thinking of the word Galapagos not Calpamos.  :-[

But the closest we have to an official name for the gas giant is Epsilon from the Spaihts Engineers script. At least that is propably a little bit more canon than acm.  :P
Are you sure "epsilon" was in reference to the planet? There's a star, or rather a number of stars, with epsilon in thier name. I'm wondering if they had a different star system in mind before settling on zeta II reticuli. I recall reading somewhere that zeta was used in alien because there was a little bit of a media frenzy around it after a woman claimed to be abducted by little green men who were from a planet in the zeta II reticuli system.

http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/the-truth-about-zeta-reticuli.html

There's a little bit about alien and Dan O'Bannon's script towards the bottom of this page. It's really hard to find a reputable source on this; most sites that spend any time talking about the media frenzy around the star system at this time, are all conspiracy theorists who claim to be "ufologists" :-o
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 22, 2015, 02:56:17 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 02:47:10 PM
Are you sure "epsilon" was in reference to the planet? There's a star, or rather a number of stars, with epsilon in thier name. I'm wondering if they had a different star system in mind before settling on zeta II reticuli.

A few quotes from Spaihts script.

QuoteINT. MAGELLAN - BRIDGE
Outside the vast Bridge window, the star Zeta2 Reticuli
burns, a cold beacon in the night.

QuoteA heads-up display appears, overlaid on the glass. The sun is
labeled ZETA2 RETICULI.

QuoteGot a hit! A moon. LV-426.
The display centers on Epsilon, a gas giant with many moons.
Data flickers around one of the larger moons: LV-426.

QuoteEXT. MAGELLAN (ZETA2 RETICULI SYSTEM)
The Magellan retracts its vast antennae and telescopes.
The engines fire: the ship rockets toward the gas giant
Epsilon and its mysterious moon.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 22, 2015, 02:56:17 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 02:47:10 PM
Are you sure "epsilon" was in reference to the planet? There's a star, or rather a number of stars, with epsilon in thier name. I'm wondering if they had a different star system in mind before settling on zeta II reticuli.

A few quotes from Spaihts script.

QuoteINT. MAGELLAN - BRIDGE
Outside the vast Bridge window, the star Zeta2 Reticuli
burns, a cold beacon in the night.

QuoteA heads-up display appears, overlaid on the glass. The sun is
labeled ZETA2 RETICULI.

QuoteGot a hit! A moon. LV-426.
The display centers on Epsilon, a gas giant with many moons.
Data flickers around one of the larger moons: LV-426.

QuoteEXT. MAGELLAN (ZETA2 RETICULI SYSTEM)
The Magellan retracts its vast antennae and telescopes.
The engines fire: the ship rockets toward the gas giant
Epsilon and its mysterious moon.
Interesting! Yep that makes it pretty clear! :-)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 22, 2015, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 04:50:39 AM
I'm not gonna lie... The wiki site fooled me! I thought calpamos was legit. I figured it was referenced from the colonial marines technical manual or the movie novelizations or something else I haven't read yet... Lol.

I never caught that ACM references calpamos though! That's kind of funny.

But I have to admit, I actually really like the name, and I kind of hope it sticks!
Yeah, the closest the USCM Tech Manual comes to giving the planet a name is "Zeta 2 Reticuli IV" (being the 4th planet orbiting Zeta 2 Reticuli).

Out of curiosity, does the W-Y Report use the Calpamos name?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 22, 2015, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
Interesting! Yep that makes it pretty clear! :-)

Epsilon works because LV-426 was later renamed Archeron. Since Archeron is a Greek word it would make sense that it's parent body would also have a Greek name.

I cannot seem to trace the etymology of Calpamos. It sounds Greek but it could also just be a made-up word.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 22, 2015, 04:40:04 PM
Is eggmorphing mentioned in the WY Report?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 05:12:31 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 22, 2015, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
Interesting! Yep that makes it pretty clear! :-)

Epsilon works because LV-426 was later renamed Archeron. Since Archeron is a Greek word it would make sense that it's parent body would also have a Greek name.

I cannot seem to trace the etymology of Calpamos. It sounds Greek but it could also just be a made-up word.

To me, I feel the opposite about it. Epsilon is Greek, yes, but it's actually a Greek letter which is more commonly the designation used for stars. For example, alpha centari, zeta reticuli, beta pictoris, epsilon eridani, etc... The planets, in our solar system anyway, are all named after Greek and roman gods. I don't know what or where calpamos came from either. I'm not even sure if it was a real word/name before it was given to the planet in alien, but it sounds more fitting for a planet name to me than epsilon does.


PS. I just found this and thought it was interesting. Archeron (Greek, we knew that) is "the river of pain or hades." I never new that, to be honest. Now, I appreciate the title of Titan's third book more! :-)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2015, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 22, 2015, 04:30:08 PMOut of curiosity, does the W-Y Report use the Calpamos name?

I honestly can't remember. But it's used in both Fire and Stone and River of Pain, so it's clearly been adopted.

Quote from: Doctor Ash on Aug 22, 2015, 04:40:04 PMIs eggmorphing mentioned in the WY Report?

I seem to remember and oblique reference to it but nothing obvious or detailed.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 23, 2015, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2015, 11:10:09 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 22, 2015, 04:30:08 PMOut of curiosity, does the W-Y Report use the Calpamos name?

I honestly can't remember. But it's used in both Fire and Stone and River of Pain, so it's clearly been adopted.

Quote from: Doctor Ash on Aug 22, 2015, 04:40:04 PMIs eggmorphing mentioned in the WY Report?

I seem to remember and oblique reference to it but nothing obvious or detailed.
Thank you!
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Post by: SM on Aug 23, 2015, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 22, 2015, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 03:00:15 PM
Interesting! Yep that makes it pretty clear! :-)

Epsilon works because LV-426 was later renamed Archeron. Since Archeron is a Greek word it would make sense that it's parent body would also have a Greek name.

I cannot seem to trace the etymology of Calpamos. It sounds Greek but it could also just be a made-up word.

*Acheron.  See also "Ilium".

Calpamos is in the book.

Egg morphing is not.
Neither is it discounted.
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Post by: Engineer on Aug 23, 2015, 10:36:51 PM
Ilium as in the ilium range??

Ilium is another name for the city of Troy, so I'd imagine symbolically the ilium range is a reference to the walls encompassing the city of Troy, only in this case I'm assuming Hadley's hope is our version Troy. So in a sense, the aliens got in to the colony via thier own version of a Trojan horse... Chest burster(s).
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Post by: SM on Aug 23, 2015, 11:19:35 PM
I think you're reading too much into a throwaway Greek mythological reference.
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Post by: Engineer on Aug 23, 2015, 11:31:16 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 23, 2015, 11:19:35 PM
I think you're reading too much into a throwaway Greek mythological reference.

Lol


Ok, so what's the significance of ilium? What I came up with before I knew was a stretch! Lol
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2015, 07:36:17 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 23, 2015, 11:31:16 PMOk, so what's the significance of ilium? What I came up with before I knew was a stretch! Lol

Probably just went hand-in-hand nicely with Acheron (also Greek). Cameron was obviously on a Greek bender at the time.
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Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2015, 08:03:10 AM
Reckon.  As it was, neither reference ended up on screen when the film was released.
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Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 24, 2015, 11:45:36 AM
I wonder why the authors and the artists behind the alien franchise never bothered to bring egg morphing inside the books and comics (with the exception of Alan Dean Foster and the mentioning of it in the background material of the AvP 2 DVD)

There are many fans who like it. Some even more than the Queen...
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2015, 11:47:07 AM
Probably because the masses are just more familiar with the Queen, and before the Director's Cut of Alien I'd wager most casual fans didn't even know about it.
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Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2015, 11:47:54 AM
What he said.
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Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 24, 2015, 11:51:38 AM
But they could bring it in, in addition to the queen. Wouldn't  it have the chance to make the books and comics more successful, as many people would like to have it there?
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Post by: Engineer on Aug 24, 2015, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 24, 2015, 08:03:10 AM
Reckon.  As it was, neither reference ended up on screen when the film was released.
Didn't ilium eventually get referenced verbally in the aliens directors cut? Lydecker to Simpson:

Quote
You remember you sent some wildcatters out to that plateau, out past the Ilium range, a couple days ago?
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2015, 02:31:56 PM
I think it would have to make sense to the story.  Keep in mind, the Aliens currently have a reproductive cycle that more or less makes sense.  If you throw eggmorphing into the mix, it will require a lot more elaboration as to why they can do that, possibly making that the theme of the film.  Is it cool enough to make it the film's focus?  I don't know.
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Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 24, 2015, 03:56:42 PM
As some people mentioned before, it could be used for the creation of a queen facehugger bearing egg instead of that uncreative hormone storm thing.
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Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 24, 2015, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 24, 2015, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 24, 2015, 08:03:10 AM
Reckon.  As it was, neither reference ended up on screen when the film was released.
Didn't ilium eventually get referenced verbally in the aliens directors cut? Lydecker to Simpson:

It did, but the DC was only released six years later. As the new lieutenant mentioned, none of those Greco references were present in the original theatrical cut.
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Post by: Engineer on Aug 24, 2015, 04:44:46 PM
Fair enough. I still find it clever as hell that Titan's third book was named "river of pain" and Acheron translates to "river of pain or hades!" :-)
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2015, 04:48:52 PM
Not necessarily clever, just intentional. I'm sure they knew what they were doing there.
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Post by: janenad on Aug 24, 2015, 05:06:48 PM
Quote from: Doctor Ash on Aug 24, 2015, 03:56:42 PM
As some people mentioned before, it could be used for the creation of a queen facehugger bearing egg instead of that uncreative hormone storm thing.

To be honest, I have nothing against the idea of eggmorphing creating a queen facehugger egg. But I also like the idea of a single drone morphing into a queen, both ideas are just as plausible and interesting in my opinion. I think the franchise needs one of these two ideas to be presented in a movie or one of these new novels. Because we still don't have all the facts for the creation of a queen, though Out of the Shadows and Sea of Sorrows did mention queen facehugger eggs. But the question arises: what if a single drone is isolated somewhere? Can it start a hive by one the previous two methods?
I think it should be able to, because then even a single alien is a great danger if left unsupervised. Why not? When a single alien is away from a Queen it will eggmorph someone to become a queen facehugger egg and a bunch of other people to become normal drone eggs as a type of a guard for the new Queen until she matures and starts laying her own. Then the eggmorphing will stop because the Queens method doesn't waist bodies to become eggs but hosts themselves, severally multiplying the brood.

I think SM proposed this idea and I really like it.
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Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 24, 2015, 05:38:45 PM
That's an interesting idea!
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Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2015, 09:44:21 PM
I came up with the idea in 1988.  But it's certainly not "my idea".  Others have come to the same conclusion completely independently.

As for the 'waste of hosts', there's nothing to stop an Alien morphing its former host into an egg as an added twist to the 'eggmorph = Queen hugger' theory.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 24, 2015, 09:49:40 PM
I just wish there wasn't such an reluctance from the artists and authors to take these ideas finally at least in the novels and comics. What do they have to lose by bringing it in?
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Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2015, 10:08:38 PM
30 years of established continuity.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 25, 2015, 07:19:04 AM
Eh, the AvPR bluray supplementals (of all things) made a pretty effortless and logical inclusion of it.

I was really hoping Alien: Isolation would include some sort of nod to eggmorphing.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2015, 07:29:52 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 25, 2015, 07:19:04 AM
Eh, the AvPR bluray supplementals (of all things) made a pretty effortless and logical inclusion of it.

I don't own AvPR. What did it say?

QuoteI was really hoping Alien: Isolation would include some sort of nod to eggmorphing.

I was expecting it. Kind of disappointed it wasn't but I understood their logic for it.
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Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 25, 2015, 07:42:41 AM
Was there more about it on Blueray than on DVD? I only own the DVD Version.
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Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 08:00:24 AM
I think the Weyland Yutani Archive was only on the Blu-ray.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 25, 2015, 08:06:33 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2015, 07:29:52 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 25, 2015, 07:19:04 AM
Eh, the AvPR bluray supplementals (of all things) made a pretty effortless and logical inclusion of it.

I don't own AvPR. What did it say?
It just mentions it as an alternate reproductive method to create a Queen-producing egg/facehugger when a Queen isn't already present. I mean, it makes perfect sense to me. :)

Quote from: Doctor Ash on Aug 25, 2015, 07:42:41 AM
Was there more about it on Blueray than on DVD? I only own the DVD Version.
The bluray has the "Weyland Yutani Archive", a supplemental feature that goes through the Alien and Predator movies (and some of the EU) and talks about locations, creature biology, other fun stuff.
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Post by: Doctor Ash on Aug 25, 2015, 08:17:09 AM
It would be so easy to use this in stories. But no, the queen or the eggs are always there... (-:
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2015, 08:21:45 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 08:00:24 AM
I think the Weyland Yutani Archive was only on the Blu-ray.

Is that the one Mike was in?
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Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 08:56:36 AM
No Mike's in the Science of the Xenomorph featurette (and he pops in briefly in Science of the Yautja too).  The WY Archive is like a text database (with some pics and video clips) of info that you navigate around with the arrows on your remote.  Had to buy the blu-ray recently and that aspect is fairly decent.  Nothing revelatory, but some effort we into it - considering the film it shares a disk with.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2015, 08:59:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 08:56:36 AM
No Mike's in the Science of the Xenomorph featurette (and he pops in briefly in Science of the Yautja too).  The WY Archive is like a text database (with some pics and video clips) of info that you navigate around with the arrows on your remote.  Had to buy the blu-ray recently and that aspect is fairly decent.  Nothing revelatory, but it's a decent effort.

Thanks, SM. I really ought to bite the bullet and pick the Blu-rays of the AvPs up.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 25, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
That does sound pretty interesting, but I'm fairly sure nothing could make me buy that movie :P
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Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 09:08:47 AM
I picked up a double pack of both AvPs for $15AUD (about 7 quid), which is pretty cheap.

I hadn't seen the version of AvP with all the cut scenes put back and with CG blood.  I'm watching it going - 'That blood looks awfully bright red...' and it just got worse...
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2015, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 25, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
That does sound pretty interesting, but I'm fairly sure nothing could make me buy that movie :P

To be fair...I wouldn't actually watch the movie.  :P Just the features.

Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 09:08:47 AM
I'm watching it going - 'That blood looks awful bright red...' and it just got worse...


It was a terrible effort, bless them.
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Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 09:11:54 AM
I'd completely forgotten that third version even existed.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2015, 09:14:31 AM
I thought there was only 2? TE and Uncut?
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Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 09:23:11 AM
There's two versions on the BR.

But there's a version 'in between'.  The theatrical lacks things like the 1904 opening.  The version I'm more familiar with has the 1904 start and maybe a couple of other extra re-added scenes.  The extended version on the BR has more extra scenes along with the CG blood.

Edit: According to IMDB theres:
TC 101 min
Extended 103 min
Unrated 109 min
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2015, 09:31:17 AM
I have the "Definitive" tin edition and it has the Theatrical and the version with the 1904 start, extra scenes and all the CG blood.  Which is the Unrated Edition according the DVD page here - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/dvds-bluray/avp-definitive-edition/ Guess I haven't seen the Extended cut.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 25, 2015, 09:32:06 AM
The 103 minute Extended was on one of the DVDs in the UK (dunno about elsewhere). It's basically the theatrical with the added 1904 opening, but none of the other Unrated changes. I think it might've come out before they actually put the full Unrated version together.

Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 09:08:47 AMI hadn't seen the version of AvP with all the cut scenes put back and with CG blood.  I'm watching it going - 'That blood looks awfully bright red...' and it just got worse...

I actually quite like some of the stuff that adds, but Jesus the blood looks terrible.
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Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 11:09:52 AM
None of the extra stuff helps.  Nor does it hurt.

The one scene that could've helped was Verheiden calling Miller a beaker.  At least he then has a motive to be an arsehole towards Miller.  Problem is in the next exchange where Verheiden says "Laugh it up, Miller".  It undermines his disdain by calling him Miller instead of Beaker.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 25, 2015, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2015, 11:09:52 AMNone of the extra stuff helps.  Nor does it hurt.

Never said it did, just that I quite like some of the extra scenes :)

Except the blood. That hurts. My eyes.
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Post by: Engineer on Aug 27, 2015, 01:19:26 AM
Soooo... What are the chances we will get a podcast in the near future about the Weyland yutani report?!? :-)
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 27, 2015, 07:27:42 AM
We recorded an interview with Locusta not long back. RidgeTop and I are going to record a bit of a discussion about the book to go on the front of it. Just waiting for a good chance because I was ill the last few times (and for the interview unfortunately) and I sound like death.

It'll be the next one released.
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Post by: Engineer on Aug 31, 2015, 03:47:19 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 27, 2015, 07:27:42 AM
We recorded an interview with Locusta not long back. RidgeTop and I are going to record a bit of a discussion about the book to go on the front of it. Just waiting for a good chance because I was ill the last few times (and for the interview unfortunately) and I sound like death.

It'll be the next one released.

Glad to hear this; I look forward to the podcast! :-)
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Post by: Darkness on Sep 06, 2015, 07:17:46 AM
Here's Perfect Organism's podcast interview with John Mullaney. who did the sketches in the book. Seems like a nice guy.

http://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/222385387

https://soundcloud.com/perfectorganismpodcast/episode-16
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 06, 2015, 01:04:47 PM
I haven't listened to the podcast yet but I've spoken to John a few times and he's a damn nice chap. I've downloaded the podcast to listen to on the drive to work tomorrow.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2015, 07:34:56 AM
I'll have to give that a listen, I loved his work.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 07, 2015, 11:24:11 PM
Just listened to the whole thing.  Good interview.  John says at the end that he's sure there will be a regular edition of the book at some point.  Hope the nice folks at Weyland Yutani don't do anything untoward to him for making that sort of statement.. ;-)
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Post by: bobby brown on Sep 08, 2015, 04:29:28 AM
Can anybody tell me what the book has to say about the egg/fetus thing? ???
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2015, 07:26:30 AM
Broad speculative biological uses for the Aliens genetic makeup.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2015, 07:46:56 AM
RidgeTop and I should be recording our conversation tonight (for me) so we should see the next podcast and the Locusta episode later this week or early next week.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Murfy426 on Sep 10, 2015, 12:20:56 AM
Yeah would surely love a standard copy, feel it would be a great addition with the colonial marines handbook for reference for my fanfic. Gotta say though the special edition cover is the most badass cover ever.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2015, 07:23:41 AM
Recording went well. Just gotta review the podcast later tonight and then should be up soon.

I could never finish reading the CMTM. It was just way too dry for me.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 10, 2015, 07:34:34 AM
It was pretty heavy going. Very technical (no pun intended).

I've read it all, but I'm not sure I've ever done it in one sitting.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Murfy426 on Sep 10, 2015, 12:48:37 PM
Oh yeah I will admit its one hell of a labour to read but its good for the little details I need, the worse part was the section on the aliens themselves that was a maze of information. Just out of curiosity hicks; what's the depth of information on the aliens on the yutani report?
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2015, 04:05:58 PM
It goes into quite some detail, yeah.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 13, 2015, 08:47:45 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/09/13/avpgalaxy-podcast-28-interview-with-markus-pansegrau-about-alien-the-weyland-yutani-report/

New podcast is up!
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Post by: Alien³ on Sep 13, 2015, 09:50:05 AM
Excellent interview! Well done all around.
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Post by: Hubbs on Sep 13, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
Nice.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 13, 2015, 04:55:25 PM
Interesting interview.  Amazing how we industrial designers often find ourselves inspired by the Alien franchise...
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Post by: ADC on Sep 13, 2015, 11:51:11 PM
Cool podcast. Markus' work over the years has been extraordinary. Great stuff.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys. Glad you enjoyed it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: ADC on Sep 14, 2015, 01:12:05 PM
Nice to see Markus give Willie Goldman some well deserved credit as well. He's a top chap and one of the most dedicated and generous contributors to the scene there is.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2015, 02:06:00 PM
I never realized just how involved he was until recently.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: ADC on Sep 14, 2015, 04:18:39 PM
This may have been previously mentioned, and I simply missed that but apparently a standard edition was released last year, only in France.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/2364802776/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=2364802776&linkCode=as2&tag=rpffacebook-20&linkId=G4XF26QSSESFVYSD
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2015, 05:36:02 PM
There's also a standard edition in Spain. But currently there's no English-language version other than the Collector's Edition.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Bio Mech Hunter on Sep 14, 2015, 05:41:34 PM
Nice. I've been following him on DeviantArt for quite a few years. Incredible artist.

On a side note, I've been very curious how the info in The Weyland-Yutani Report compares/differs to the old Anchor Point Essays website. I'd love to pick it up, but funds have been tight lately.
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Post by: SM on Sep 14, 2015, 09:41:44 PM
Not nearly as detailed as Anchorpoint.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: PRJ_since1990 on Sep 14, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
Just listened to the podcast. Another great one in my opinion. Going to checkout the Alien Saga podcasts as well. I will pick up the standard version of the WY Report when the Sideshow collectible isn't your only option (at a typical Sideshow price).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 15, 2015, 07:41:45 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2015, 09:41:44 PM
Not nearly as detailed as Anchorpoint.

Nowhere near. However, it's that kind of feel I thought.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 15, 2015, 07:46:05 AM
I never got to read Anchorpoint, such a shame it was taken down.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 15, 2015, 07:56:07 AM
If anyone has the link you should still be able to WayBack it.


http://web.archive.org/web/20130521165614/http://anchorpointessays.com/
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 15, 2015, 08:01:47 AM
Ah, awesome!

I'll have a sift.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2015, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2015, 09:41:44 PM
Not nearly as detailed as Anchorpoint.

What's an anchor point?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Sep 15, 2015, 01:20:10 PM
I believe it's a reference to one of two opposing space stations in the Gibson draft of Alien 3. Though I could be mistaken on that.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 15, 2015, 01:26:11 PM
It is. You can read all about Anchorpoint here: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-3-william-gibson-1988-01.pdf (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-3-william-gibson-1988-01.pdf)

However the discussion is about the Anchorpoint Essays: http://web.archive.org/web/20130521165614/http://anchorpointessays.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20130521165614/http://anchorpointessays.com/)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Murfy426 on Sep 16, 2015, 01:58:08 PM
Great podcast guys as always you never fail to please, keep up the great dedicated work. As for Marcus what can I say, he seems as awesome a person as his artwork. What a legend!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Oct 16, 2015, 04:40:13 AM
Um, it's been a while now. I'm ready for my regular edition Weyland Yutani report.... ???
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Oct 21, 2015, 09:17:43 PM
Urgh, I finally gave in and bit the bullet. Halloween treat to myself. Managed to find a copy for £199 here in the UK so I went for it and am extremely angry at myself for giving in, but I've seen copies going from between £250-£350 so it's a small saving at least.

But on the plus side for you guys there will inevitably be an announcement for a £50 standard edition in the very near future now I've spent big bucks!!!

Between this and x-files blu ray, I hope the missus doesn't see my bank balance...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 21, 2015, 09:20:27 PM
Welcome to the gang ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Oct 22, 2015, 09:35:18 PM
Is the book any cheaper now that time has passed or is it still the same $350 price (including shipping) from SideShow?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: TheBATMAN on Oct 23, 2015, 05:56:27 PM
My god it's absolutely huge...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Oct 23, 2015, 06:15:50 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Oct 23, 2015, 05:56:27 PM
My god it's absolutely huge...

That's what she said.   ;D
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 17, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
John has posted some of his Nostromo artwork on his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.950018481740073.1073741843.106948306047099&type=3

QuoteHere's my artwork of the Nostromo, produced using pencil, watercolour, ink & Photoshop and featured in 'Alien: The Weyland-Yutani Report'.

This piece took a great deal of research & I'm indebted to two people in particular: Derrin Procter who kindly provided me with his 3D digital model of the ship which I used to set up the artwork. And also to my colleague Graham J. Langridge who produced the definitive Nostromo blueprints and who gave me so much detailed feedback about the content during the production process .

Special thanks as ever to Willie Goldman for providing me with so much archive photography of the original minature's build at Bray studios from 1978 ( I was four years old at the time growing up a few miles west of Bray in Reading, also in Berkshire ). I was lucky enough to recently meet some of the modellers who worked on the original miniature including Dennis Lowe, Ron Hone and Roger Nichols.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11027458_950018655073389_1037196378335810633_n.jpg?oh=febe5fc505ec0abc83658b9cdc870641&oe=56EAA108)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Alien Predator on Nov 17, 2015, 06:04:59 PM
That picture of the Nostromo looks really good, thanks for sharing it with us, Hicks.

I love the general design of this and the Sulaco, there's something that feels so realistic about them.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Doctor Ash on Nov 20, 2015, 03:36:42 PM
Will there ever be a standard edition of this book?  [Face - Sad]
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2015, 03:38:43 PM
Still unknown at this point, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Nov 21, 2015, 04:17:33 AM
For the US at least, the last word on the subject is "no."
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Doctor Ash on Nov 21, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
That's really frustrating!  I can't afford a 300 $ book and don't speak french or spanish. As i'm german i hope there will be a german edition if there will be no standard edition in english!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Nov 21, 2015, 01:31:56 PM
This is ridiculous.  I'm not buying this book, but not because of the price tag, but because I think that sculpted alien on the front is a bit ridiculous.  I just want a normal edition of the book...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2015, 08:44:18 AM
I still stand by my opinion there will be one eventually, they're just hoping to shift more of the fancy ones first.

It makes no sense to do standard editions in Spanish and French, then screw English speaking countries.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2015, 11:05:54 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 21, 2015, 01:31:56 PM
This is ridiculous.  I'm not buying this book, but not because of the price tag, but because I think that sculpted alien on the front is a bit ridiculous.  I just want a normal edition of the book...
To be fair the sculpted Alien is just a removable outer case, or at least that's what the Sideshow product photos show.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 24, 2015, 11:13:11 AM
It is. It's a slipcase.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
I'm not gonna lie, I've been edging ever-closer to caving and dropping the $300 or whatever for a copy, especially after learning that it comes with a bunch of fun little doodads, trinkets, and "artifacts" that a mass-market print edition likely wouldn't have. I loved that shit when it came with The Alien Vault (and The Terminator Vault), I'm a huge sucker for that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 24, 2015, 02:26:40 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2015, 02:12:42 PM...especially after learning that it comes with a bunch of fun little doodads, trinkets, and "artifacts" that a mass-market print edition likely wouldn't have.

I found a video showing a flick through of the standard Spanish edition, and by comparing it to my own, it seems the standard edition includes some of the extra trinkets, but not all of them (mostly missing out the funkier ones, like anything printed on acetate etc.) I made a list of the ones exclusive to the Collector's Edition on here (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien%3A_The_Weyland-Yutani_Report).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2015, 03:22:13 PM
Okay I have to ask, is Jones' vet report dated before or after 'Alien'?

And all of those collector's edition exclusives sound super-cool. But I don't wanna spend $300................ :(
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 24, 2015, 03:28:18 PM
I'll check when I get home, Xenomrph.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Nov 24, 2015, 05:47:20 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2015, 08:44:18 AM
I still stand by my opinion there will be one eventually, they're just hoping to shift more of the fancy ones first.

It makes no sense to do standard editions in Spanish and French, then screw English speaking countries.

It would make sense if Fox thought no one cared enough about the book to make a profit; sadly, this could very well be true with some of the recent fiascos the franchise has been having. :(
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2015, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 24, 2015, 05:47:20 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2015, 08:44:18 AM
I still stand by my opinion there will be one eventually, they're just hoping to shift more of the fancy ones first.

It makes no sense to do standard editions in Spanish and French, then screw English speaking countries.

It would make sense if Fix thought no one cared enough about the book to make a profit; sadly, this could very well be true with some of the recent fiascos the franchise has been having. :(
Like what? Alien Isolation was well received, Prometheus made a lot of money and is getting a sequel, and I haven't seen sales numbers for Fire and Stone or the Titan novels but I'm pretty sure they've been pretty well received, too.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Nov 24, 2015, 07:14:52 PM
Alien Isolation was well received, true, but it still isn't getting a sequel. :(  Fire and Stone was meh but the story focused too much on Prometheus and that was what inevitably made many fans have a distaste for it.  The Titan novels were ok but in my personal opinion, Out of the Shadows and River of Pain were the only good ones (so far).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 24, 2015, 07:42:59 PM
I dunno, it seems like Creative Assembly is a little lukewarm on Isolation's sales numbers, for SEGA seems pleased enough. In an interview linked on these forums, Sega's CFO or someone high-up said that a sequel wasn't completely out of the question.

That's better than nothing I guess, even if we probably shouldn't hold our breath.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 29, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
So...good news!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F81LlIXnuR1L.jpg&hash=b71567160c4b37a2632ff7baa0f1547dc3caf480)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alien-Weyland-S-D-Perry/dp/1608878333/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451390645&sr=8-1&keywords=weyland+yutani+report

Just trying to confirm it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 29, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Yesss!!!

(And I mean that in the most Napoleon Dynamite kind of way)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 29, 2015, 04:17:06 PM
Funny how this is announced just a couple of days after Christmas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aBJgqgANHY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aBJgqgANHY)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Dec 29, 2015, 04:22:33 PM
Very cool!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 29, 2015, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 29, 2015, 04:17:06 PM
Funny how this is announced just a couple of days after Christmas.

It's only a pre-order. Not like the cash would come out for another 9 months.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Russ840 on Dec 29, 2015, 04:50:07 PM
Superb. Can't wait to get my hands on this.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 29, 2015, 05:12:13 PM
Totally awesome news!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Dec 29, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
In that case, perhaps I'll end up with one after all.  :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Dec 29, 2015, 06:56:39 PM
Peachy.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 29, 2015, 07:36:45 PM
It is listed in Canada now as well on Chapters.ca.  It is coming out on September 20, 2016.

https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/alien-the-weyland-yutani-report/9781608878338-item.html?ikwid=alien+weyland&ikwsec=Home&ikwidx=0

60 CAD list price

53.40 CAD online
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 01:45:15 AM
I feel bad for the people who bought the $300 edition thinking it was the only version to come out.  It was certainly ballsy of Fox to tell everyone that there was no standard edition coming out to raise sales and then release one anyway.

That being said, I've already preordered mine.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2015, 07:53:50 AM
I'm still curious as to how well that Collectors' Edition sold. I mostly saw dislike of the price.

I'll be picking up a Standard Edition too.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 30, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 01:45:15 AM
I feel bad for the people who bought the $300 edition thinking it was the only version to come out.  It was certainly ballsy of Fox to tell everyone that there was no standard edition coming out to raise sales and then release one anyway.

That being said, I've already preordered mine.

How is that ballsy?  It would've been more ballsy of them to inform the public of a standard edition and still expect people to buy a 300 dollar special edition.  What they did here seems like pretty normal sales tactics.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 08:42:37 AM
"Ballsy" was an analogy for "bitchy" actually, it's outright lying to the fans to make a profit; many would see that as unethical if not outright immoral.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 30, 2015, 08:46:19 AM
People lie to make profits all the time.  Corporations doubly so.

Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: skull-splitter on Dec 30, 2015, 03:54:07 PM
Count me in, but september is a loooong way down the road...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 30, 2015, 04:58:48 PM
Yes, a September release basically means it is an item for next Christmas...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: alienscollection.com on Dec 30, 2015, 07:25:36 PM
I worked on this project and couldn't find one reference to "there will be no standard edition" - especially since one *was* released in France, Spain, and Italy at the same time as this one.  Can you show me where this was stated?  I mean, it's only really been a few months since the Special Edition actually hit the open market and now here's a more affordable version.  And I think calling them liars is a little much - no one was lied to and if the studio is guilty of anything it's giving customers a chance to get the book at a much more reasonable price point.  I for one am just happy we got this book at all, and that the studio gave our community artists a global showcase for their work.  Cool move, actually... 
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 08:58:43 PM
An AvPGalaxy member emailed someone at either Fox or Sideshow and they said there would be no standard edition, no public statement was ever made but all of us took that confirmation to be fact when it was released.  That member posted this information earlier in this thread I believe, but this thread is so huge that it would be a pain to go through every page looking for that specific post.

Some people in this forum actually bought the $300 version because they believed the "statement" that no standard edition would be released.  I just feel for them.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Alien Predator on Dec 30, 2015, 09:02:44 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 08:58:43 PM
An AvPGalaxy member emailed someone at either Fox or Sideshow and they said there would be no standard edition, no public statement was ever made but all of us took that confirmation to be fact when it was released.  That member posted this information earlier in this thread I believe, but this thread is so huge that it would be a pain to go through every page looking for that specific post.

Some people in this forum actually bought the $300 version because they believed the "statement" that no standard edition would be released.  I just feel for them.

This is rumour control, here are the facts...  :P

(Seriously though, did this person give proof? Like a screen shot of the email? I don't remember this well as it was quite a while ago.)
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
No one bothers to post pictures of emails anywhere on the internet, people normally just send emails to companies on behalf of the community and report back on what they hear.  I think the person who emailed them was an admin on this forum, but it was so long ago I can't be sure.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 30, 2015, 09:16:01 PM
I called it all along there'd be a standard edition eventually.

Quote from: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 09:04:51 PMI think the person who emailed them was an admin on this forum, but it was so long ago I can't be sure.

It was Corporal Hicks. I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I hope you're not accusing him of being deliberately misleading to us. I imagine that was simply the information he was given.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 09:21:14 PM
Please don't put words in my mouth, also please read my earlier posts.  I never suggested someone in this forum was misleading, that was someone else's post; I'm saying it was the corporation that was misleading.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 30, 2015, 09:27:44 PM
To be clear myself, I wasn't accusing you of anything, just wanted to make it clear he was probably just passing on the info he was given, or, at a pinch, passing on the information he had been told to give :)

As for the situation, yes, it is a bit crappy to claim there won't be a cheap version when there will be, just to push sales. Crappy, but not exactly surprising. If a numbskull like me can see through it then hopefully others weren't fooled either.
Title: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 09:34:55 PM
Ah ok, no harm then. :)  And yes, I saw through the scheme as well which is why I ultimately decided against buying the $325 (+$25 shipping and handling) version as well.  At this point I literally have no respect for Fox anymore, their corruption of this franchise is simply beyond words I can find.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 30, 2015, 09:41:26 PM
If Fox actually said there would be no normal version then that actually would false advertising.  Allegedly.  Allegedly.

Anyway, can't wait for the book.  The lame sales tactics aside, there was a lot of work that went into it by some very talented people and that is respectable.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Alien Predator on Dec 30, 2015, 09:43:42 PM
I always trust Corporal Hicks, I didn't mean to make it sound like Predxeno or myself were accusing him of anything. I misremembered and thought it was someone else who said there won't be a standard edition so I was wondering if there was a screenshot of the reply.

Like how I see links to Twitter responses etc or direct quotes of an interview. I'm kind of used to it. My apologies for the misunderstandings.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: alienscollection.com on Dec 30, 2015, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Dec 30, 2015, 09:21:14 PMI'm saying it was the corporation that was misleading.

I get what you're saying, but checked the thread and couldn't find a single statement where Fox said, "We will not be releasing a standard edition" - so not sure where they were misleading at all.  Someone posting here in this thread is far from an official statement.  Again, they released the standard edition in Europe the same time as the special edition.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2015, 10:43:40 PM
I would also like to just mention that (if I'm remembering this rightly and I will go check) it was from one of the editors at Insight and it was "no plans at this time." That has obviously changed. Which is something I'm sure everyone will be happy about.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Ultramorph on Dec 30, 2015, 10:45:23 PM
Exactly, I'm just happy a version within my budget is coming out! Pre-ordered, so hopefully I can get a sweet, sweet low price like I got on the FaS collection.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2015, 10:46:07 PM
Sorry, my bad. That was paraphrasing. The actual reply was "Insight currently has no plans for a trade edition of the book." Which was back in July. And it was from one of the editors at Insight.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Alien Predator on Dec 30, 2015, 10:54:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2015, 10:46:07 PM
Sorry, my bad. That was paraphrasing. The actual reply was "Insight currently has no plans for a trade edition of the book." Which was back in July. And it was from one of the editors at Insight.

That makes perfect sense, cheers, Hicks.

I hope to get my copy of this book as soon as I can.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 02, 2016, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 29, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
So...good news!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F81LlIXnuR1L.jpg&hash=b71567160c4b37a2632ff7baa0f1547dc3caf480)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alien-Weyland-S-D-Perry/dp/1608878333/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451390645&sr=8-1&keywords=weyland+yutani+report

Just trying to confirm it.
A little late to the party, but hell yes.

I hope it comes with the same extras and stuff as the ultra-expensive edition (but I'll understand if it doesn't).
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2016, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 02, 2016, 11:58:06 AMI hope it comes with the same extras and stuff as the ultra-expensive edition (but I'll understand if it doesn't).

If the standard editions in French and Spanish are anything to go by, most of the inserts will be omitted from the cheaper version.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 02, 2016, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2016, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 02, 2016, 11:58:06 AMI hope it comes with the same extras and stuff as the ultra-expensive edition (but I'll understand if it doesn't).

If the standard editions in French and Spanish are anything to go by, most of the inserts will be omitted from the cheaper version.

That's what I couldn't remember. Do we have any lists of what we're in them?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2016, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 02, 2016, 06:02:23 PMThat's what I couldn't remember. Do we have any lists of what we're in them?

The Overview (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien%3A_The_Weyland-Yutani_Report#Overview) section here points out which inserts are in the French/Spanish SE and lists the inserts that are exclusive the the CE.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 03, 2016, 04:25:52 PM
The added inserts are mega-tempting, but I'm not sure it justifies paying 6x the price of the "cheap" version.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
They are cool, but not really worth the huge amount more you have to pay to get them (likewise the case).

I only got the Collector's Edition myself because I fortuitously came into some money around the time the book was released, so I figured I'd blow some of it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2016, 08:41:05 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2016, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 02, 2016, 06:02:23 PMThat's what I couldn't remember. Do we have any lists of what we're in them?

The Overview (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien%3A_The_Weyland-Yutani_Report#Overview) section here points out which inserts are in the French/Spanish SE and lists the inserts that are exclusive the the CE.

Thank you kindly.

I feel like it's more the slipcase you're paying that extra for. In itself that thing is quite a high-end collectable.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2016, 08:41:05 AMI feel like it's more the slipcase you're paying that extra for. In itself that thing is quite a high-end collectable.

Pretty much. Although the replica of Burke's comm card is a neat little item.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: locusta on Jan 04, 2016, 01:12:54 PM
Very happy about the decision to go with an for everyone affordable edition as well. Even at the risk to sound clouded by vanity, I would love to know, that every fan has it on the book shelf  ;)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2016, 01:36:00 PM
You have damn good reason for that vanity.  :P

I'm really happy they're bringing out a standard edition. I'd like to have a copy on my shelf alongside the others.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 ...
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 04, 2016, 01:56:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2016, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 02, 2016, 06:02:23 PMThat's what I couldn't remember. Do we have any lists of what we're in them?

The Overview (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien%3A_The_Weyland-Yutani_Report#Overview) section here points out which inserts are in the French/Spanish SE and lists the inserts that are exclusive the the CE.

I'm itching to know what Mister Jones' veterinary report said.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2016, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 04, 2016, 01:56:25 PMI'm itching to know what Mister Jones' veterinary report said.

Nothing terribly exciting I'm afraid.

The debrief report from the guy aboard the Auriga was a nice touch though. Doubly so as I didn't expect anything good to be included based on that film, given its reputation.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2016, 02:03:24 PM
Forgive my misunderstanding of the military but how can Hudson have discharge papers if he died in the movie?  When he was whining about 4 more weeks and out did that mean that his discharge was already formalized and it was just a matter of time before he was let go?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2016, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2016, 02:03:24 PMWhen he was whining about 4 more weeks and out did that mean that his discharge was already formalized and it was just a matter of time before he was let go?

You just answered your own question :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 04, 2016, 02:11:16 PM
So Mister Jones wasn't preggers or anything exiting?  :-\

Was Hudson's discharge an honourable one or more of a dishonourable one?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jan 04, 2016, 05:41:19 PM
I'm wondering if this book is supposed to be exclusively canon to the new Alien universe from Neil Blomkamp's highly anticipated sequel.  Is there any mention to the events of Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection in this book?  And I don't mean just by the featuring of the the Runner, since the DNA Reflex is a significant part of the Alien anatomy it will certainly be canon in either universe.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 04, 2016, 06:28:33 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 04, 2016, 05:41:19 PM
I'm wondering if this book is supposed to be exclusively canon to the new Alien universe from Neil Blomkamp's highly anticipated sequel.

No, the book was already finished long before Blomkamp's film was even announced.

Quote from: predxeno on Jan 04, 2016, 05:41:19 PM
Is there any mention to the events of Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection in this book?  And I don't mean just by the featuring of the the Runner, since the DNA Reflex is a significant part of the Alien anatomy it will certainly be canon in either universe.

Yes, there is about sixteen pages devoted to Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection respectively.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jan 04, 2016, 06:29:06 PM
What did those pages mention?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 04, 2016, 06:32:30 PM
How's your Spanish?

From 3:43

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Rx4Hxxjbk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Rx4Hxxjbk)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jan 04, 2016, 07:26:47 PM
Thanks. :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2016, 10:15:36 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 04, 2016, 05:41:19 PMIs there any mention to the events of Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection in this book?

A significant portion of the book is devoted to the characters and events of the third and fourth films. They very much happened in whatever universe this fictional report was published in.


I've no idea how accurate it is, but Goodreads is giving a release date of September 2016 for the basic edition.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2016, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2016, 10:15:36 PM
I've no idea how accurate it is, but Goodreads is giving a release date of September 2016 for the basic edition.

Amazon was giving 20th of September for release too.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2016, 05:06:10 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2016, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2016, 10:15:36 PM
I've no idea how accurate it is, but Goodreads is giving a release date of September 2016 for the basic edition.

Amazon was giving 20th of September for release too.

Same in Canada at Chapters.ca as I mentioned earlier.  Seems to be a fairly firm date.

To be honest, I kind of prefer not to have all the extra junk in the book that will keep falling out or getting lost.  I mean Burke's card can't be good for the binding of the book.  Remember how thick that card was in the movie?  Can you imagine if you had to have one of those to call everyone?  What were the designers thinking?  It's so funny to think that our little iPhones are more advanced with Skype technology than that future tech.  Boy did we overshoot expectations on that one...  Now let's get that FTL travel down pat...
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Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 05, 2016, 06:39:49 PM
Eager to read Space Beast by Robert Morse!!! ;D
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 06, 2016, 12:42:47 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 05, 2016, 06:39:49 PM
Eager to read Space Beast by Robert Morse!!! ;D

For sure.  I'd love to read that as well.  That seems like a great addition to the book actually.  Hopefully it will be built into the book properly but not holding my breath.  Some decades ago, I actually contemplated writing an Alien IV with Morse as the lead character.  Went nowhere. He's too 2-D.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 06, 2016, 08:09:15 AM
I wonder how they'll present it in the standard edition. It was a pullout in the Collector's Edition. I was a tad disappointed with it as it came across as if it'd been the whole thing but it was just so short. Would have liked it better had they been presented as excerpts.

I still think Morse has potential for future use - as does Fury, at a stretch.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 05, 2016, 05:06:10 PMI mean Burke's card can't be good for the binding of the book.

It's held in a little wallet affixed to the inside of the (hard)back cover. Shouldn't damage the binding at all.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 06, 2016, 08:09:15 AMI wonder how they'll present it in the standard edition. It was a pullout in the Collector's Edition.

Judging by the video of the Spanish standard version (Eight posted it earlier) the inserts are handled in the same way as the bumper edition, glued in with that peely snot glue. There's just far less of them.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 06, 2016, 08:09:15 AMI was a tad disappointed with it as it came across as if it'd been the whole thing but it was just so short. Would have liked it better had they been presented as excerpts.

That kinda disappointed me too. Don't get me wrong, it was a great read, but the fact it was meant to be the document in its entirety when it was only like 8 pages long was a bit disappointing.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 06, 2016, 08:47:02 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 06, 2016, 08:09:15 AMI wonder how they'll present it in the standard edition. It was a pullout in the Collector's Edition.

Judging by the video of the Spanish standard version (Eight posted it earlier) the inserts are handled in the same way as the bumper edition, glued in with that peely snot glue. There's just far less of them.

Hadn't actually watched the video - those kind of videos bore me a bit to be honest - but I've just watched now. Thanks.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2016, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 06, 2016, 08:47:02 AMHadn't actually watched the video - those kind of videos bore me a bit to be honest.

Same, but I was researching that list of exclusive inserts for the Wiki page :)
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 06, 2016, 08:51:56 AM
Fair enough. Can't fault you there.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
I wonder if any of the errors in the Collector's Edition will be corrected for the new version? Like how Vriess' first name is given as Dom when Crispin's novel says it's John (all the other names tie up between the two books), or how it erroneously says he died on the Auriga when clearly he lived.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 06, 2016, 11:17:29 AM
I believe SM was letting the Editors know any errors that slipped through so I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: felix on Jan 06, 2016, 10:02:44 PM
Bottom line. Considering how much this costs would you recommend spending the cost getting it?

I like the pics, but i wonder how good a long term investment this will be.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jan 06, 2016, 11:50:39 PM
That depends how big an Alien fan you are, if you are a hardcore follower then there's no question whether or not this book is worth its price (the information inside is invaluable, never mind the beautiful illustrations); however what with the new canon that's coming out, many fans may want to reconsider purchasing and wait for a more updated version. :-\
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 06, 2016, 11:57:34 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 06, 2016, 11:50:39 PM
That depends how big an Alien fan you are, if you are a hardcore follower then there's no question whether or not this book is worth its price (the information inside is invaluable, never mind the beautiful illustrations); however what with the new canon that's coming out, many fans may want to reconsider purchasing and wait for a more updated version. :-\

Are we certain that there are going to be updated versions?

I mean... as far as handbooks go, I wouldn't even really purchase them. Look how many times Marvel's made guide books and almost all of them are now irrelevant. Same thing with Star Wars since the EU reboot. I'm an Alien fan (more so Predator but...) yet, I don't think I'll go out of my way to get either version. Especially with Blomkamp's movie believed to re-assign Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jan 06, 2016, 11:58:18 PM
I was being theoretical, actually, when I was talking about updated versions.  Sorry. :(
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 07, 2016, 12:27:44 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 06, 2016, 11:58:18 PM
I was being theoretical, actually, when I was talking about updated versions.  Sorry. :(

Why are you apologizing? There's nothing to be sorry for.

Personally... as much as I am a fan, I don't think I'll be getting this. Handbooks just... I don't know, seem kind of pointless, especially for a continuity that's going to be migrated or re-assigned.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jan 07, 2016, 12:28:35 AM
Yeah, if canons are going to get reassigned then that is a pretty big deterrent.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2016, 06:10:09 AM
Current and future projects are based on the timeline as it stands in the WYR.  Neill Blomkamp's film is still on hold and likely to be so for at least 18 months.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 07, 2016, 08:19:14 AM
Quote from: felix on Jan 06, 2016, 10:02:44 PM
Bottom line. Considering how much this costs would you recommend spending the cost getting it?

I like the pics, but i wonder how good a long term investment this will be.

For £30 I'd recommend in a heartbeat! The Collector's Edition is lovely but really depends on your own finances.

Quote from: predxeno on Jan 06, 2016, 11:50:39 PM
however what with the new canon that's coming out, many fans may want to reconsider purchasing and wait for a more updated version. :-\

Not at all. A) We don't know exactly how Alien 5/3.2 will effect the timeline/canon (which I'm starting to think is quite a pointless thing anyway) and B) the film wont be out for another 3/4 years at the least.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2016, 08:40:49 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 06, 2016, 11:50:39 PMhowever what with the new canon that's coming out, many fans may want to reconsider purchasing and wait for a more updated version. :-\

What Hicks said.

Plus, who cares if the book is overwritten one day? Surely you'd be buying it because it's a gorgeous book and wouldn't care if one day something it says isn't 100% accurate? And It'd still be an accurate tie-in to the existing four films anyway.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: felix on Jan 08, 2016, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 06, 2016, 11:50:39 PM
That depends how big an Alien fan you are, if you are a hardcore follower then there's no question whether or not this book is worth its price (the information inside is invaluable, never mind the beautiful illustrations); however what with the new canon that's coming out, many fans may want to reconsider purchasing and wait for a more updated version. :-\

I guess that puts me on the fence. If it costs me more $70 bucks here in Singapore, i probably won't get it.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2016, 08:40:49 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 06, 2016, 11:50:39 PMhowever what with the new canon that's coming out, many fans may want to reconsider purchasing and wait for a more updated version. :-\

What Hicks said.

Plus, who cares if the book is overwritten one day? Surely you'd be buying it because it's a gorgeous book and wouldn't care if one day something it says isn't 100% accurate? And It'd still be an accurate tie-in to the existing four films anyway.

Exactly.  If the future films negate current films 3 and 4 and the book gets revised without the film 3 and 4 entries, then this is the only proper technical reference you will have for those films.  And if future books feature alternate entries combined, then the book will be more expensive.  I would seriously try to save a few dollars and pick this up when it hits shelves in September.  You can't lose.  Looks like an awesome volume...
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2016, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
Looks like an awesome volume...

It is.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2016, 04:22:45 AM
Quote from: felix on Jan 08, 2016, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 06, 2016, 11:50:39 PM
That depends how big an Alien fan you are, if you are a hardcore follower then there's no question whether or not this book is worth its price (the information inside is invaluable, never mind the beautiful illustrations); however what with the new canon that's coming out, many fans may want to reconsider purchasing and wait for a more updated version. :-\

I guess that puts me on the fence. If it costs me more $70 bucks here in Singapore, i probably won't get it.

I'd be surprised if it was more than $70 in somewhere like Kinokuniya. Popular sure isn't going to stock it.
And if it does got for $70+, you can order online from The Book Depository, which is cheaper than retail about 99% of the time.
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: felix on Jan 09, 2016, 10:51:04 AM
I'll probably order through the Bookweb at Kinokuniya. Hopefully they'll be a discount and i can get the price below $70.

P.S - I thought i was the only Singaporean here!
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 09, 2016, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 07, 2016, 12:28:35 AM
Yeah, if canons are going to get reassigned then that is a pretty big deterrent.

If canons get reassigned, would you also stop buying any copy of Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection as well?
Title: Re: ALIEN: The Weyland-Yutani Report (S.D. Perry, 160 pages)
Post by: predxeno on Jan 09, 2016, 07:38:36 PM
I already have all the copies, but I was referring to the more casual fans with that statement rather than myself.
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