I mean, yeah, doubt anybody would dispute such a statement
For me, the 4 1st person shooter AvP's are the gold standard for AvP. Wish we could get all 4 release on modern platforms and a new game.
AvP2 really should have been adapted into a film. It probably still could be. But they cheap out all the time and can't make a film in the future where it's supposed to be. ::)
Reminds me of the movie version of Doom.
AvP had the right idea with the balancing mechanic. Humans had rapid fire technology that could destroy anybody in the open. Predators had more powerful technology, and were hearty. Aliens were usain bolt on crack cocaine but could get cooked out in the open. You had to recognize this as the player to succeed as each species. It also was the most tense experience just because the game was harder than the rest. Literally all of the species could destroy you if you were playing in a hurry or sloppy.
I like AvP2 the best of all of them because of the SP immersion and because of the world building. Sometimes I just wish it had been released in 2005 like FEAR was with FEARs AI. Shit would've been awesome. Being the predator fighting Marine or corporate AI who flanks you, or presses you into something you didn't want to do. Aliens that stalk you like the ninjas did in FEAR. Being the Alien and using something like the slowmo mechanic to get your chop on.
AvP3 I think was the worse of the bunch. Good graphics, and absolutely aces portrayal of Marines. They really act like warrior cultist, but weak everywhere else.
Pulse rifles firing lefty always look so weird to me. Something about the angles in the design goes wrong when you flip it.
Incidentally, this bogan c**t is one of the only youtubers I've watched multiple videos from.
My last bowel movement was better than the AvP movies.
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And I'm constipated. :-[
He's on the mark with the level design criticism of the Jag. I do find it very hard to play because of that.
I ran into AvP Capcom at a mall arcade when I was a lil kid and f*cking loved it. That game is still top tier in my book. I always prayed that it would be ported to the SNES.
I had the AvP Gameboy game, tried to love it for a long time but just not good.
I really loved AvP PC back in the day, it's hard to overstate how crazy I was about it. However AvP2 was a big let down for me at the time. That game just didn't click with me in a lot of ways and the PH expansion I didn't even bother to finish. These days I do appreciate the game more and have returned to it a few times over the years.
I never played the jaguar version at the time. I had always wanted to but never had the chance until a few years ago when I played the ROM. I actually still dig it even with all its shortcomings. Also the ROM version is dire, so many issues.
I enjoyed AvP on the 360, but it need far more development time. Also the melee was painful and having the kill scenes in multi-player pretty much killed it.
Never played the AvP RTS on consoles, though I have heard good things.
I feel blessed growing up when games were really coming into their own. The late 80s and 90's were magic for video gamers.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 15, 2023, 10:35:22 AMI really loved AvP PC back in the day, it's hard to overstate how crazy I was about it. However AvP2 was a big let down for me at the time. That game just didn't click with me in a lot of ways and the PH expansion I didn't even bother to finish. These days I do appreciate the game more and have returned to it a few times over the years.
Wait the only AVP that allows you to be a facehugger and a chestburster was a let down?
Some people just don't vibe with the aesthetics.
Others couldn't reconcile it with how fast things were in AVP99.
I disagree with both takes personally, I like that it feels like a dark horse comic and find 99 to be so fast it ruins my suspension of disbelief, but there we are.
Yeah I just didn't like the art design, character animations, or the Lithtech engine. At the time the game was a system hog when other games looked better and ran smoother. My family only had a mid range PC so the game did not run smoothly for me. Also the game was heavily scripted which hurt replayability. I was definitely in the minority in my opinion and many people loved it. I had dial up internet too so the MP barely playable.
Like I said though, I have returned to it several times over the years and gained a real appreciation for it. I was overly hard on it when it was released. Having an actual story is a big plus though.
Also while the facehugger/buster portion was pretty cool, at the time I thought it was a bit gimmicky game play wise.
I love the first game but yeah the super speed running around is ridiculous.
I also do not like the art style, and for everything that it got right, the simplistic and predictable artificial intelligence brings the experience down.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 17, 2023, 01:31:08 AMMy family only had a mid range PC so the game did not run smoothly for me.
I find this interesting. I was in the same position, however for me it ran very smoothly (on lower graphics settings) BUT the loading screens took forever.
Man, I remember the games of playing AvP2 on dial-up too. Used to have a bad ping, but it was generally playable for me! I spent a lot of time on AvP2's MP, rejoining every 2 hours. :laugh:
Never has a thread title been truer.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 18, 2023, 07:46:58 AMMan, I remember the games of playing AvP2 on dial-up too. Used to have a bad ping, but it was generally playable for me! I spent a lot of time on AvP2's MP, rejoining every 2 hours. :laugh:
Yeah I was on dial-up too, but everyone I jammed with was local so my ping was, well, bad, but not unplayable. Always mained Runner at the time because super sanic speed and frantic melee made up for whatever latency issues I had.
I live in rural northern Michigan so not only was the connection bad (even for dial-up) but no local players either. Certainly not the games fault though.
However AvP2 ran terrible on our PC, but I could play stuff like Return to Castle Wolfenstien, Max Pain, and Half Life 2 at high settings.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 19, 2023, 12:22:50 PMI live in rural northern Michigan so not only was the connection bad (even for dial-up) but no local players either. Certainly not the games fault though.
However AvP2 ran terrible on our PC, but I could play stuff like Return to Castle Wolfenstien, Max Pain, and Half Life 2 at high settings.
That's utterly bizarre. I couldn't run HL2 at all, on any settings, but AvP2 ran smooth as.
Maybe my memory isn't working anymore.. just looked up HL2 and I see it came out 2 full years after AvP2.
What I do know for sure is that the game was choppy for me. The first encounter with the Aliens and it would stutter so badly. Also the end with the Queen was almost too choppy to play.
This statement is basically fact, Even though I do like the first AvP movie I do agree that they're were potential that wasn't Use as much in the games
I agree that this is a fact.
AvP 2010 was very cinematic as well, although lacking in some other areas to be the best AvP game.
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 10, 2023, 11:20:25 AMAvP 2010 was very cinematic as well, although lacking in some other areas to be the best AvP game.
2010 was mid as f**k, but honestly it still looks pretty great today.
It was a terrible idea to set the AvP movie on earth especially in the modern era, no because of predator predator does just fine, but the alien is the reason why there is said to be the most dangerous creatures in the galaxy, Ellen spoke against the idea of bringing these creatures to earth so this plot line already ruins that. And even if they can be wipe out on modern earth, it's just weakens them in general.
But but the budget had to be kept down so they set it on Earth...
More like it was a lack of imagination of how it could have been a contained movie in the future.
Quote from: Wweyland on Oct 30, 2023, 08:41:39 PMBut but the budget had to be kept down so they set it on Earth...
More like it was a lack of imagination of how it could have been a contained movie in the future.
Yeah, I really don't feel like the village and pyramid would have cost any less than a ship or colony, with clever re-use of modular sections. Like, uh, Alien.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 30, 2023, 09:17:37 PMQuote from: Wweyland on Oct 30, 2023, 08:41:39 PMBut but the budget had to be kept down so they set it on Earth...
More like it was a lack of imagination of how it could have been a contained movie in the future.
Yeah, I really don't feel like the village and pyramid would have cost any less than a ship or colony, with clever re-use of modular sections. Like, uh, Alien.
They could cheap out with the costumes and weapons though.
True, although it doesn't have to be Colonial Marines, the original comic shows that well enough. As for the monsters, they were clearly pretty committed to the Predators (like the results or not) and did cheap out on the Aliens anyway.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 10, 2023, 09:57:10 PMQuote from: Wweyland on Sep 10, 2023, 11:20:25 AMAvP 2010 was very cinematic as well, although lacking in some other areas to be the best AvP game.
2010 was mid as f**k, but honestly it still looks pretty great today.
I couldn't disagree more. My only complaint was the short campaign and glitchy multiplayer. I remember unlocking all the Aliens and Predators multiple times and then it would reset.
Other than that, playing as the Predator was badass and the alien was lethal. Marine was fun too once you got the hang of it.
It is the definition of mid.
I see you weren't very good at the multiplayer.
You mean the takedown conga line? Not very difficult to excel in taking advantage of that. The influence of the AVP films especially brings it into the bland, it is not offensive, just not really of much note.
Quote from: littlesprout on Nov 16, 2023, 01:32:00 AMI see you weren't very good at the multiplayer.
I don't give a f**k about multiplayer, I wanted a good campaign and didn't get it.
Did anyone hear any news of a upcoming AvP game that I haven't heard of.
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 17, 2023, 01:31:08 AMYeah I just didn't like the art design, character animations, or the Lithtech engine. At the time the game was a system hog when other games looked better and ran smoother. My family only had a mid range PC so the game did not run smoothly for me. Also the game was heavily scripted which hurt replayability. I was definitely in the minority in my opinion and many people loved it. I had dial up internet too so the MP barely playable.
Like I said though, I have returned to it several times over the years and gained a real appreciation for it. I was overly hard on it when it was released. Having an actual story is a big plus though.
Also while the facehugger/buster portion was pretty cool, at the time I thought it was a bit gimmicky game play wise.
I love the first game but yeah the super speed running around is ridiculous.
Whoops I didn't mean to take so long to send a reply. Ah, I can see that. Well I played AVP 2 MP via LAN so I didn't have any of those issues