Will there be a Prometheus novelisation? I would have thought if there was to be one it would be released in conjunction with the film. I'd really enjoy a Prometheus novel, something that expands on the film, and I think a lot of other people would to... So why not?
If they do, I hope Alan Dean Foster does NOT write it. I may be the only Alien(s) fan alive that dislikes his adaption work. :P
Quote from: TrixieVanSickle on Jun 09, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
If they do, I hope Alan Dean Foster does NOT write it. I may be the only Alien(s) fan alive that dislikes his adaption work. :P
But you are not only fan who likes Monkeys.:)
I would like to read a Prometheus novelization too!
Why bother reading the novelisation when you can just watch the movie ::).
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 09, 2012, 03:11:01 PM
Why bother reading the novelisation when you can just watch the movie ::).
Usually in novelisations, there are deleted scenes that were left out of the movie. Even scenes that may never see the light of day (such as the scene where Ripley finds Burke cocooned in Aliens, which never made it to DVD. Did that finally make it to BluRay?). If written well, it gives insight to character backgrounds, as well, sometimes from material not made available to the public. And they're fun. Reading is good for you.
The Burke scene is on the blu-ray (it kinda sucks though, and was a good cut).
I too wish there was a novelization of this film - they give you so much more background, and insight into motivations and such (not to mention the occasional extra scene). Also, I would dearly love to see Alan Dean Foster write it.
Alas, just as the 'photonovel' became extinct long ago, I fear the movie-novelization has now done the same... :(
Quote from: TrixieVanSickle on Jun 09, 2012, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 09, 2012, 03:11:01 PM
Why bother reading the novelisation when you can just watch the movie ::).
Usually in novelisations, there are deleted scenes that were left out of the movie. Even scenes that may never see the light of day (such as the scene where Ripley finds Burke cocooned in Aliens, which never made it to DVD. Did that finally make it to BluRay?). If written well, it gives insight to character backgrounds, as well, sometimes from material not made available to the public. And they're fun. Reading is good for you.
Yes I read stories that started out as novels first but It's better to read stories that begin as novels that later get a movie adaptation rather then a movie based on a novel getting a novelization.
In this case sinse Prometheus is not based on a book it's still pointless to read movie novelizations.
QuoteYes I read stories that started out as novels first but It's better to read stories that begin as novels that later get a movie adaptation rather then a movie based on a novel getting a novelization.
A movie based on a novel getting a novelization? Huh?
None of the Aliens movies were based on books. You lost me.
Not at all, mastermoon! Take Alien, for example: the whole, unfilmed scene where they almost trap the alien in the airlock is in there, and it's a really great scene. Without the novel, all we'd have to represent it is a couple of deleted scenes on the bridge.
You should try reading one... you'll be surprised! :)
Quote from: TrixieVanSickle on Jun 09, 2012, 04:05:13 PM
QuoteYes I read stories that started out as novels first but It's better to read stories that begin as novels that later get a movie adaptation rather then a movie based on a novel getting a novelization.
A movie based on a novel getting a novelization? Huh?
None of the Aliens movies were based on books. You lost me.
I never said the Alien series were based on books, I was saying for movies that only start out as movies getting novelizations are pointless to read.
Yes there are movies based on a novel getting novelizations such as Planet of the Apes and The Thing (1982 movie).
There's always tidbits that never find their way to screen.
Star Trek movie novelizations are awesome for that as well.
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 09, 2012, 03:59:09 PM
Quote from: TrixieVanSickle on Jun 09, 2012, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 09, 2012, 03:11:01 PM
Why bother reading the novelisation when you can just watch the movie ::).
Usually in novelisations, there are deleted scenes that were left out of the movie. Even scenes that may never see the light of day (such as the scene where Ripley finds Burke cocooned in Aliens, which never made it to DVD. Did that finally make it to BluRay?). If written well, it gives insight to character backgrounds, as well, sometimes from material not made available to the public. And they're fun. Reading is good for you.
Yes I read stories that started out as novels first but It's better to read stories that begin as novels that later get a movie adaptation rather then a movie based on a novel getting a novelization.
In this case sinse Prometheus is not based on a book it's still pointless to read movie novelizations.
You lost me coach.
The question of why there was never a Prometheus novelization has always bugged (no pun intended) me. Has anyone ever heard an official reason why a novelization was never produced? I've been listening to the AVP podcasts and novelizations are frequently mentioned which has created a desire in me to read all of them. It also makes me worry there won't be any future novelizations of the upcoming Prometheus sequels.
Dallas.
Well, here's a start:
'And then the head exploded'
I've often wondered this as well, along with why Dark Horse never adapted it into a comic. They've got Fire and Stone as well as Life and Death, so they're allowed to use the continuity. I wonder if there would be secrets revealed in a novelization that Scott doesn't want us to know quite yet?
If there's any Japanese readers here, pretty sure those guys got a novelization.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Prometheus_(novel)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette1.wikia.nocookie.net%2Favp%2Fimages%2F9%2F93%2FPrometheus_%2528novel%2529.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20140407001844&hash=324c629f8d2b315243afcffb43fa1a1646a3d993)
I suspect that movie novelizations have fallen out of vogue, here in the day when you can own a movie on blu-ray two months after it leaves the theatres. It's a pity, 'cause I love reading them, but I'd bet they just don't sell much anymore.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 26, 2016, 04:39:28 PM
I suspect that movie novelizations have fallen out of vogue, here in the day when you can own a movie on blu-ray two months after it leaves the theatres. It's a pity, 'cause I love reading them, but I'd bet they just don't sell much anymore.
I always enjoyed reading movie/tv tie-ins;getting inside the character's heads and extra scenes,(filmed or not) which would add detail to and expand upon the film without the problem of pacing.
So there's an old book, well, a short story really, called "who goes there?"
That was the book that John carpenters the thing was based on. And I believe Alan dean foster wrote a novelization for that movie...
So a novel, based on a movie, based on a book/short story.... Just thought I'd throw that out there. :-)
PS. Speaking of the thing, and this short story it's based on, I was always amazed that this short story had 3 movies and a video game based on it. A black and white movie (which was terrible), John carpenters movie (classic), the prequel from 2011 (had some highs and lows, but I enjoyed it), and the sequel-game on the Xbox and PS2 (which was kinda cool, too). The short story that inspired all this is quite good! I got it in hard cover, collected with a few other short stories, a couple of years ago. It was kinda hard to find but worth the search. I've read it a number of times already.
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 28, 2016, 04:59:10 AM
So there's an old book, well, a short story really, called "who goes there?"
That was the book that John carpenters the thing was based on. And I believe Alan dean foster wrote a novelization for that movie...
So a novel, based on a movie, based on a book/short story.... Just thought I'd throw that out there. :-)
PS. Speaking of the thing, and this short story it's based on, I was always amazed that this short story had 3 movies and a video game based on it. A black and white movie (which was terrible), John carpenters movie (classic), the prequel from 2011 (had some highs and lows, but I enjoyed it), and the sequel-game on the Xbox and PS2 (which was kinda cool, too). The short story that inspired all this is quite good! I got it in hard cover, collected with a few other short stories, a couple of years ago. It was kinda hard to find but worth the search. I've read it a number of times already.
The original film terrible? It's a classic!
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 28, 2016, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 28, 2016, 04:59:10 AM
So there's an old book, well, a short story really, called "who goes there?"
That was the book that John carpenters the thing was based on. And I believe Alan dean foster wrote a novelization for that movie...
So a novel, based on a movie, based on a book/short story.... Just thought I'd throw that out there. :-)
PS. Speaking of the thing, and this short story it's based on, I was always amazed that this short story had 3 movies and a video game based on it. A black and white movie (which was terrible), John carpenters movie (classic), the prequel from 2011 (had some highs and lows, but I enjoyed it), and the sequel-game on the Xbox and PS2 (which was kinda cool, too). The short story that inspired all this is quite good! I got it in hard cover, collected with a few other short stories, a couple of years ago. It was kinda hard to find but worth the search. I've read it a number of times already.
The original film terrible? It's a classic!
Lol my jaw dropped when he said the original was terrible ;D. The original
The Thing from another World is a great film. Yeah carpenters remake is great as well but the sequel was all rubbish.
Awww common, if you're a real Thing fan, you love the sequel too. And the comics. And the classic PS2 game.
The sequel was not bad at all. I thought it tied in nicely with the 1982 version. Always wanted to know what happen to the Norwegians.
Used to play the Xbox game a lot, I actually won it in a contest back when it was released. Always wanted to get and read the comics but never did.
Won't be able to agree on the sequel prequel, just didn't enjoy it. Aside from some cool imagery anyway.
Really though the original flick is a truely classic film.
The black and white film wasn't my cup of tea. It changed a lot of the story, in ways I didn't like. Carpenter's version was much truer to the original book. For that reason, when I watch the original film, all I can think about are the things they changed... It doesn't work for me at all.
Yes, The Thing from Another World abandon's the tale's greatest strength: the shape-shifting element. So if one's coming at it from the short story or the Carpenter angle, it could be seen as a letdown. But taken at face value, it's definitely one of the all-time classic monster movies.
I love all things Thing (ha ha), I even enjoy the prequel as a bit of fun. Did you guys know that there's a Collector's Edition blu-ray of the 1982 film coming out in October? It's absolutely packed full of goodies, including an interview with the 'novelizer' himself, Alan Dean Foster:
http://thedigitalbits.com/item/thing-the-ce-bd (http://thedigitalbits.com/item/thing-the-ce-bd)
Exactly! I saw carpenters version first, knew about who goes there, and felt let down by the black n white movie! You nailed it!
And yea I just saw the Blu Ray collectors edition this morning! Funny! :-)
Speaking of comics though, did you know there's a "newer" thing comic available on the dark horse app? It's free too! It's called "the thing: the northman nightmare." It came out a few years ago, but it's newer than the rest of the comics!
I'll check it out! I missed the DH Thing run back in the '90s, and always regretted that.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 28, 2016, 03:46:26 PM
I'll check it out! I missed the DH Thing run back in the '90s, and always regretted that.
Me too :-(
Did DH ever do an omnibus collection for the thing?
Dan O'Bannon said that of all the films he was accused of ripping off The Thing From Another World was one of the few people got right.
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 28, 2016, 04:59:10 AM
So there's an old book, well, a short story really, called "who goes there?"
That was the book that John carpenters the thing was based on. And I believe Alan dean foster wrote a novelization for that movie...
So a novel, based on a movie, based on a book/short story.... Just thought I'd throw that out there. :-)
There was another funny one. Phillip K. Dick wrote a book called "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?". Then they made a movie based on it called "Blade Runner". Then shortly before the film was released they asked Phillip K. Dick if he would be interested in writing the Blade Runner novelization.
Now maybe they were unaware of his earlier public denouncement of the Blade Runner script but they did offer him a shit-tonne of money to write a book based upon a film that was based upon one of his books. Of course the catch was that his original novel would have to be suppressed. Unsurprisingly, Mr. Dick was quite frank in where they could stick their "novelization".
He even joked that they could get Alan Dean Foster to write it. :D
Lmao! Wow did not know all that! Now THATs a classic story! :-)
Unfortunately, Dick died before the movie was released. He did see a rough cut of the movie and I believe he approved of it.
To continue bouncing the subject around, from book to movie to book again consider this. K.W. Jetter went on to write the official book, 'Blade Runner 2' which was published in 1995. It was OK. Mind you, I don't believe the upcoming movie draws any influence from it at all. We may yet end up with an official novelisation of the film. I wonder what they'll call it? 'Blade Runner 2: (Tagline)' I guess.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 28, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
Unfortunately, Dick died before the movie was released. He did see a rough cut of the movie and I believe he approved of it.
No, he only saw an special effects reel accompanied by a bit of Vangelis music that Scott played for him. He liked that but he never saw the actual film.
As I mentioned earlier, he did however get hold of one of Hampton Fancher's earlier Blade Runner/Dangerous Days drafts which he publicly denounced saying it was basically "Philip Marlowe meets the Stepford Wives". He also went on to bash Alien, saying "a monster is a monster, a spaceship is a spaceship, and the only thing that saves this is the special effects"
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 28, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
To continue bouncing the subject around, from book to movie to book again consider this. K.W. Jetter went on to write the official book, 'Blade Runner 2' which was published in 1995. It was OK. Mind you, I don't believe the upcoming movie draws any influence from it at all.
That's right, the new film is based upon an outline by original Blade Runner scriptwritter, Hampton Fancher.
And to bring things (sorta) back full circle...
There's a novel adaptation of the first avp movie, which was based on a comic series and bares very little resemblance to that comic series... Lol
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 28, 2016, 09:15:12 PMK.W. Jetter went on to write the official book, 'Blade Runner 2' which was published in 1995. It was OK
I didn't mind that book *too* much, but boy, the one that came after it was a piece of piss...
Haven't read the 3rd one. I'm not even sure I knew of it. I don't think I'm missing much by the sound of it.
Well, yeah. Either way, Dick saw early footage of the movie but unfortunately he never saw it get released due to his death. Sadly.
Yes. He didn't like 'ALIEN'. Which is ironic considering O'Bannon went on to write the treatment of Dick's 'We can Remember it for you Wholesale' released as 'Total Recall'.
I wonder what Dick would have thought of that movie? He wasn't interested in depicting his characters as larger than life heroes. They tended to be 'the little guy' caught up in incomprehensible, shifting situations.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 28, 2016, 10:13:36 PM
And to bring things (sorta) back full circle...
There's a novel adaptation of the first avp movie, which was based on a comic series and bares very little resemblance to that comic series... Lol
The Cerasini novelisation? This book has my all time favourite gaff. EVER! It's on page 24. See if you can find it...
Well, I saw two possible gaffs, but I'm gonna go with polar bears living in Antarctica. Lmao
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 28, 2016, 10:16:40 PM
Haven't read the 3rd one. I'm not even sure I knew of it. I don't think I'm missing much by the sound of it.
It went:
Blade Runner 2: The Edge of Human (1995)
Blade Runner 3: Replicant Night (1996)
Blade Runner 4: Eye and Talon (2000)
As you know, BR2 was 'okay' (despite the utterly misguided idea of having Gaff dead on page 1), but BR3 was such a drag that I never even gave the final book a chance.
And yes, Dick was positively glowing about the BR footage he saw. Paraphrasing here, but he said it was like the filmmakers had looked directly into his own mind.
The second gaff I saw was the phrase "heat sensitive sensors"
It's grammatically redundant. All he had to say was "heat sensors" which would imply that these sensors were sensitive to heat. Lmao
Yeah. Hang on I'll just grab my copy...
'ALIEN vs PREDATOR'TM, Marc Cerasini, Page 24: "Nothing existed in Sector 14, unless you counted polar bears and penguins."
Brilliant!
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 28, 2016, 10:41:30 PM
Yeah. Hang on I'll just grab my copy...
'ALIEN vs PREDATOR'TM, Marc Cerasini, Page 24: "Nothing existed in Sector 14, unless you counted polar bears and penguins."
Brilliant!
-Windebieste.
Yea that's pretty hilarious!
And as much as I despise the avp movie(s), I have to admit, my least favorite novelization of all time is "predator." Oh man was that one BAAAAD! I don't blame the writer though, he was working off of some early version of the script which obviously changed pretty significantly. I just wish someone had told him the script changed so he could've updated the novel before publishing. Lol
Lead times are too long. The novelisation has to be written, edited, printed and shipped prior to the film's release.
Quote from: SM on Aug 28, 2016, 11:34:34 PM
Lead times are too long. The novelisation has to be written, edited, printed and shipped prior to the film's release.
That's unfortunate. I enjoy novelizations. :-(
Scott is doing the second Bladerunner, right? I wonder if he'll go along with the potential Prometheus-Bladerunner shared universe that was hinted at in the Blu-Ray? :P
Could have our own Alien Cinematic Universe going. XD
On topic: I hope that Dark Horse does release a Prometheus and Covenant straight up comic adaption.
https://muthur9000.tumblr.com/post/163945109725/prometheus-japanese-novelisation-ending
Translation of the end of the novel.
Interesting dialogue. She should have finished him off and taken her chances.
I really want to read this book. I was hoping a translation would be made available once the sequel novelisation appeared. Bummer.
Has anybody read/translated the novel yet in full?
Being a bit of a completionist, I'm desperately trying to confirm the names of the two mechanics played by Matthew Burgess and James Embree.
I've actually contacted Embree himself, but he doesn't remember his character having a name. One of the wikis out there lists Matthew Burgesss character (the first mechanic Fifield kills) as "Ray" -- this was the name of one of the mercenaries in the original "Alien: Engineers" script so I'm intrigued by this.