The Xenomorph design is the The most iconic sci-fi creature ever, due to how unique it is with the Biomechanical look to it. However I did saw complaints that in the later entries that the xeno design should've deteriorated, I think the reason why is because they sort of stray away from the biomechanical which is understandable I like all Xenomorph and other variance designs, however I do agree that the best ones were the ones with the biomechanical look.
Everything is better with biomechanical aesthetics
(https://i.ibb.co/Rztttv9/FB-IMG-1696882507364.jpg)
It may be a language barrier, but I'm not sure what you mean. Could you maybe repeat the question in different words, please?
I think you're asking whether the alien should always look biomechanical, or if it should be different sometimes? Just want to check before answering.
For me depends entirely on the context of a movie. Was your ovomorph found on a Jockey/Derelict ship with the ruptured ribcage corpse of a jockey/engineer nearby? I expect biomechanical.
Was your xeno 3rd-gen offspring having only used human or (in example) quadruped mammal hosts with zero biomechanical traits? I expect it to get more fleshy with each generation (but only as far as say, the runner - anything less and you fall into David's protomorph territory and it's not quite a xeno anymore (in my opinion).
Quote from: Stitch on Oct 10, 2023, 09:56:00 AMIt may be a language barrier, but I'm not sure what you mean. Could you maybe repeat the question in different words, please?
I think you're asking whether the alien should always look biomechanical
Yes, I would like to see them look biomechanical
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 09, 2023, 10:53:05 PMEverything is better with biomechanical aesthetics
https://i.ibb.co/Rztttv9/FB-IMG-1696882507364.jpg
Couldn't agree more. Any and all Aliens should be biomechanical. That's a key aesthetic characteristic of theirs. Removing that leans more into generic mutated flesh monster we've seen a million times. You can change the shape a bit, the proportions, there's a lot of possibilities, but that look has to stay for me.
That's why I didn't like the look of the Deacon (who knows what it would've looked like fully grown, though going by the Neomorphs, I see what Ridley likes) and the David Alien.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 10, 2023, 07:38:53 PMThat's why I didn't like the look of the Deacon (who knows what it would've looked like fully grown, though going by the Neomorphs, I see what Ridley likes) and the David Alien.
So you saying deacon would be better if he had a biomechanical... I got your back,
-start drawing-
I think an interesting side question to this would be how far does a design have to stray from the original HR Giger style of biomechanics before it is no longer recognisable as a capital-A Alien?
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/58f214f5-e80d-4615-bf7f-5a34c75c041b/dgbw5ox-160486a5-b1e0-4b4d-9a46-fb24c0307706.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzU4ZjIxNGY1LWU4MGQtNDYxNS1iZjdmLTVhMzRjNzVjMDQxYlwvZGdidzVveC0xNjA0ODZhNS1iMWUwLTRiNGQtOWE0Ni1mYjI0YzAzMDc3MDYuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.-6qGSXWWkQekUeV46T15wcfCO-Ehqlhs--_S8Yrwauo)
So the deacons would have look better if it were look like this? Also there's a trilobite redesign (baby [right bottoms], adult [in the Rightist middle])
Would you guys like the alien runner as he was in the final product
(https://media.comicbook.com/2021/03/aliens-fireteam-runners-1259900.jpeg?auto=webp&width=1200&height=675&crop=1200:675,smart)
Or would you rather see him more biomechanical like this fan redesign by Titanosaur
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/47870550-a907-41a3-8be6-570d0663d56a/d25a36u-e823ac49-69e4-44e7-b45f-495adcf93221.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzQ3ODcwNTUwLWE5MDctNDFhMy04YmU2LTU3MGQwNjYzZDU2YVwvZDI1YTM2dS1lODIzYWM0OS02OWU0LTQ0ZTctYjQ1Zi00OTVhZGNmOTMyMjEuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.FhoPTwtEFMe_We0Ku67gJuX9nB6bqI62TaybjCHMcP4)
The Runner is based on a design by Giger himself and the detailing is pretty accurate to his paintings.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 20, 2023, 08:53:47 AMWould you guys like the alien runner as he was in the final product
https://media.comicbook.com/2021/03/aliens-fireteam-runners-1259900.jpeg?auto=webp&width=1200&height=675&crop=1200:675,smart
Or would you rather see him more biomechanical like this fan redesign by Titanosaur
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/47870550-a907-41a3-8be6-570d0663d56a/d25a36u-e823ac49-69e4-44e7-b45f-495adcf93221.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzQ3ODcwNTUwLWE5MDctNDFhMy04YmU2LTU3MGQwNjYzZDU2YVwvZDI1YTM2dS1lODIzYWM0OS02OWU0LTQ0ZTctYjQ1Zi00OTVhZGNmOTMyMjEuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.FhoPTwtEFMe_We0Ku67gJuX9nB6bqI62TaybjCHMcP4
I prefer the runner exactly as we saw it in 'Alien 3' - as it makes more sense. Interestingly, as I haven't done any artwork for years and wanted to get back into it, I've been rough planning /doodling a 'Warrior Runner' based on the Level Guardian from the Alien 3 SEGA Genesis/Megadrive/Amiga game (as seen in my avatar) - basically a warrior but with the aesthetics of the runner - the 'next stage' of the runner, had it survived longer, if you will. 😊
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 20, 2023, 10:27:36 AMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 20, 2023, 08:53:47 AMWould you guys like the alien runner as he was in the final product
https://media.comicbook.com/2021/03/aliens-fireteam-runners-1259900.jpeg?auto=webp&width=1200&height=675&crop=1200:675,smart
Or would you rather see him more biomechanical like this fan redesign by Titanosaur
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/47870550-a907-41a3-8be6-570d0663d56a/d25a36u-e823ac49-69e4-44e7-b45f-495adcf93221.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzQ3ODcwNTUwLWE5MDctNDFhMy04YmU2LTU3MGQwNjYzZDU2YVwvZDI1YTM2dS1lODIzYWM0OS02OWU0LTQ0ZTctYjQ1Zi00OTVhZGNmOTMyMjEuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.FhoPTwtEFMe_We0Ku67gJuX9nB6bqI62TaybjCHMcP4
I prefer the runner exactly as we saw it in 'Alien 3' - as it makes more sense. Interestingly, as I haven't done any artwork for years and wanted to get back into it, I've been rough planning /doodling a 'Warrior Runner' based on the Level Guardian from the Alien 3 SEGA Genesis/Megadrive/Amiga game (as seen in my avatar) - basically a warrior but with the aesthetics of the runner - the 'next stage' of the runner, had it survived longer, if you will. 😊
Would like to see that!
Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 21, 2023, 07:29:35 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 20, 2023, 10:27:36 AMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 20, 2023, 08:53:47 AMWould you guys like the alien runner as he was in the final product
https://media.comicbook.com/2021/03/aliens-fireteam-runners-1259900.jpeg?auto=webp&width=1200&height=675&crop=1200:675,smart
Or would you rather see him more biomechanical like this fan redesign by Titanosaur
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/47870550-a907-41a3-8be6-570d0663d56a/d25a36u-e823ac49-69e4-44e7-b45f-495adcf93221.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzQ3ODcwNTUwLWE5MDctNDFhMy04YmU2LTU3MGQwNjYzZDU2YVwvZDI1YTM2dS1lODIzYWM0OS02OWU0LTQ0ZTctYjQ1Zi00OTVhZGNmOTMyMjEuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.FhoPTwtEFMe_We0Ku67gJuX9nB6bqI62TaybjCHMcP4
I prefer the runner exactly as we saw it in 'Alien 3' - as it makes more sense. Interestingly, as I haven't done any artwork for years and wanted to get back into it, I've been rough planning /doodling a 'Warrior Runner' based on the Level Guardian from the Alien 3 SEGA Genesis/Megadrive/Amiga game (as seen in my avatar) - basically a warrior but with the aesthetics of the runner - the 'next stage' of the runner, had it survived longer, if you will. 😊
Would like to see that!
I'll be sure to share when it's done! 😃 (also working on a concept for a'what if' animated companion to 'Operation: Aliens' called 'Taskforce: Predator' featuring the kids action figure versions of characters like Harrigan etc. 😊
Hey does the Neomorph need to have biomechanical look to be special or is it perfect as it is in the final product?
The Neomorph being biomechanical defeats the purpose behind the design, it is meant to be a simpler and biestial relative of the proper Alien.
To improve the design? Just make it even more translucent, let us glimpse the inner workings.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 22, 2023, 02:12:24 AMThe Neomorph being biomechanical defeats the purpose behind the design, it is meant to be a simpler and biestial relative of the proper Alien.
To improve the design? Just make it even more translucent, let us glimpse the inner workings.
That understandable but how about the deacon? Could he needs a redesign to be more biomechanical?
I always thought the bio mechanical aspects to the Alien design was that added element that set it apart. Sure the lack of eyes, inner mouth were also signature features and creepy but the bio mechanical overarching element made it less of a schlocky B movie creature in my head.
I understand that the Prometheus/Covenant storyline explains the fleshier designs, but it just doesn't do it for me. Same as the newborn went too fleshy and trying to be too different.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 22, 2023, 03:00:29 AMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 22, 2023, 02:12:24 AMThe Neomorph being biomechanical defeats the purpose behind the design, it is meant to be a simpler and biestial relative of the proper Alien.
To improve the design? Just make it even more translucent, let us glimpse the inner workings.
That understandable but how about the deacon? Could he needs a redesign to be more biomechanical?
An argument could be made that it already IS biomechanical - we have only seen its 'burster' form, not an adult, and already it has more features than a neomorph. Even the big chap was fleshy when it burst out of Kane.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 22, 2023, 08:56:58 AMQuote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 22, 2023, 03:00:29 AMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 22, 2023, 02:12:24 AMThe Neomorph being biomechanical defeats the purpose behind the design, it is meant to be a simpler and biestial relative of the proper Alien.
To improve the design? Just make it even more translucent, let us glimpse the inner workings.
That understandable but how about the deacon? Could he needs a redesign to be more biomechanical?
An argument could be made that it already IS biomechanical - we have only seen its 'burster' form, not an adult, and already it has more features than a neomorph. Even the big chap was fleshy when it burst out of Kane.
Very good point, it's pretty much have the same amount of screen time as the chestburster the first film, well almost given the chance to see what it would've been look like in the comics but we were denied that. From the looks of it it looks like the same thing but just bigger, But there were some concept art that were in did had some biomechanical elements in it
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/91/46/be/9146be62891ff95a967d0588e604351f.jpg)
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 22, 2023, 02:12:24 AMThe Neomorph being biomechanical defeats the purpose behind the design, it is meant to be a simpler and biestial relative of the proper Alien.
To improve the design? Just make it even more translucent, let us glimpse the inner workings.
I love the idea of this mechanism in action with a translucent design.😅
Spoiler
(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/SRFw5.gif)
Edit - I confess that I kinda dig the idea of the Deacon as a predecessor of the Queen 🙈
(https://i.ibb.co/cwWbnMV/Deacon-prometheusmovie-still.jpg)
(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/SRF3j.gif)
I think I read about that on the forums a while ago. I know it's not canon though.😇👍
I actually made what the Deacon could have been if it were to grow up. (https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/58f214f5-e80d-4615-bf7f-5a34c75c041b/dghx5q2-f5b67e65-c34d-45e3-939d-34b1cf206f05.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzU4ZjIxNGY1LWU4MGQtNDYxNS1iZjdmLTVhMzRjNzVjMDQxYlwvZGdoeDVxMi1mNWI2N2U2NS1jMzRkLTQ1ZTMtOTM5ZC0zNGIxY2YyMDZmMDUucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.ve-BndzvXRx1OdAb1eXklRfL7tEgKRhnXSIW0JO4l9A)
Is it bad?
Nice, I see you even added a skull. :laugh:
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 22, 2023, 03:00:29 AMThat understandable but how about the deacon? Could he needs a redesign to be more biomechanical?
It's a baby. Chestbursters are softer looking and less detailed too.
I also had a go at a matured Deacon concept but never finished the painting...
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/HU3ljWo.jpg)
Wouldn't have anything against a version like yours Cancerblack. Looks really nice.
Knowing what Scott did with Covenant, I have a hunch he just personally doesn't like the biomechanical aesthetic.
Yes because he did it already.