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French magazine SFX has 3 great interviews with Arthur Max, Conor O'Sullivan prosthetics supervisor and Visual effect supervisor Richard Stammers. Each interview are 3 full pages, no spoilers per se but very interresting material.
I have not bought but i remember the most important stuff.
Arthur Max :
The Prometheus was designed by Steve Burg and Ben Procter.
The Prometheus is composed of independant parts that can separate from the main body if needed (Vickers area is a skif/ship by itself) doubt it will cometo play in the movie tho...
The approach to the Engineers tech was to take the Giger look but make it more mechnical than bio by adding an obvious metal feel. Engineers are partly inspired by the persian civilisation.
Richard Stammers Visual effect supervisor :
Weta is doing all the xeno like creatures.
There were sculptures on set so the actors can react but those monsters will be full cgi.
Weta also did the rise of the pilot chair sequence.
They used model kits from the market to help them remake the pilot chair.
The Juggernaut is full CGI, it has been re-designed by Steve Messing.
The original derelict was not detailed enough they had to recreate them, GUTALIN was hired to for that, his Gigerian but yet more mechanical style was perfect for the look they wanted.
At first it was tought it would be necessarry to use models for the colision and crash but after seeing the Yatch scene from xmen first class (???) he decided to go full cgi.
When Scott visits MPC, he doesnt stay in the reunion room but go check the cgi artists themselves, giving input or modification on the spot.
Conor O'Sullivan prosthetics supervisor :
The Engineer and his suit have been designed by Nevil Page.
He has a very symitrical face wich enchance his alieness even if he is humanoid.
At first Scott was not sure that prosthetics could achieve teh level of details he wanted.
Conor told him they use now a great technique that has remarkable results (there is a long explanation of what it is in the interview). At first Connor made a test, he sculpted the Engineer's head, then animated the eyes by cgi.
It was part of the showreel Scott showed Fox to get the greenlight.
The Enginneer is not a full suit but is made of many many many prosthetic parts from head to toes.
Ian Whyte played the Engineer for all the scene with the humans (wich take place in the second part of the movie), when Engineer(s) are alone it's normally sized actors.
For the closeups Ian Whyte face did not worked, they could not get the look they wanted so they used the "normal" actors wich have been also chosen because of their face.
One scene got Connor a bit nervous because the Engineer is almost fully naked.
He was not sure the thin material would resist the shoot, he explain how they did it and says how much it looks good on screen. Ian Whyte had a 32 days shoot, they had to replace the suit every 3 days.
He end up saying that he's really happy how the character feel alive on screen.
That he is not a special effect but a living and breathing and frightening creature.
Oh he also talks about an aging makeup of one of the characters (guess who ^^) wich has to be done faster than usual because the actor was cast a few weeks near the shooting.
Probably forgot some stuff but i think all the juicy details are there ;)
Wow thats great info NGR01 ;D.
Could hardly wait to see the Space Jockies.
Wow, thanks, that are some pretty interesting details, and I like what I'm hearing.
You re welcome mates ;)
From what i got of the interview, there is only one living Engineer the human crew encounter.
Wich works with the survivor from an alien race thing we've heard from recent interview.
If we see more than one Engineer on screen it seems that it will be only in those hologram scenes.
Quote from: Lord Freezer on Apr 09, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
He is pretty scary. I hope he will crush the head of David! ;D
http://4put.ru/pictures/max/285/876765.gif
thats f**king badass.
check out the size of his eyes :0
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 27, 2012, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Apr 27, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
Wow thats great info NGR01 ;D.
Could hardly wait to see the Space Jockies.
You welcome mate ;)
From what i got of the interview, there is only one living Engineer the human crew encounter.
Wich works with the survivor from an alien race thing we've heard from recent interview.
If we see more than one Engineer on screen it seems that it will be only in those hologram scenes.
So we will see one living Engineer, makes me wonder how many we will see in the hologram?.
I like the story to Prometheus about the Space Jockey better then the comics. Remember "Aliens: The Destroying Angels" in that comic the aliens caused the species to become virtually extinct 1.6 billion years ago.
I think four. Like the sarcophgis in the Orrery room.
3 will die from chestbursting creatures, the 4th one is the survivor the human crew will meet.
As for the origin of the disaster on LV423, all leads to xeno infestation.
If LV423 is just a waystation for Engineers, i wonder if their homeworld and race still exist.
My copy of SFX arrives in a day or two
QuoteGUTALIN was hired to for that, his Gigerian but yet more mechanical style was perfect for the look they wanted.
Seriously?! Gutalin? So damn happy to hear this.
Yep Gutalin is named by Stammer in the interview ;)
Must have been a dream come true for him.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Apr 27, 2012, 10:25:20 PM
My copy of SFX arrives in a day or two
Very interesting read you will see.
Martin Rezard told me he has been interviewed for the next issue.
It should be very interesting because SFX will have acess to some nice materials.
Can't wait for the cinefex tho ^^
I love French SFX magazine, I try to buy it every month these days, and I'm excited about Prometheus edition of L'Ecran Fantastique Hors-Serie that comes out tomorrow and I'll get by mail order a week later.
Quote from: NGR01 on Mar 19, 2012, 04:00:45 PM
Maybe the ALIEN space jockey, was also infected at the same moment but managed to flee the planet in the Derelict and
crashed on LV426.
It's been confirmed that the derelict in Alien landed. It did not crash.
persian civilisation inspiration from Arthur Max? No offence to Persia or human civilization, but come on, could an alien species not be inspired by something human. That was what was so good about Giger, his stuff is bio organic looking it looks completely non-human, completely alien, the floors in the original Derelict didn't even look like anything humanoid was made to walk on them
Weta for visual effects? #1 CGI.
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 27, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
I think four. Like the sarcophgis in the Orrery room.
3 will die from chestbursting creatures, the 4th one is the survivor the human crew will meet.
As for the origin of the disaster on LV423, all leads to xeno infestation.
If LV423 is just a waystation for Engineers, i wonder if their homeworld and race still exist.
I'd be suprised to see anything from the original film in this one... including chest-bursters!
Quote from: xii22loop on Apr 28, 2012, 04:24:50 AM
persian civilisation inspiration from Arthur Max? No offence to Persia or human civilization, but come on, could an alien species not be inspired by something human. That was what was so good about Giger, his stuff is bio organic looking it looks completely non-human, completely alien, the floors in the original Derelict didn't even look like anything humanoid was made to walk on them
So far I'm sad about this new film, but at least I'm at least looking forwards to seeing Noomi Rapace in it. The original Alien I suppose will be a film that's unequaled and I don't know what to say about the lack of direct input from Giger, but I don't think that the faux-biomechanics in this new film really affect my subconscious in any interesting way whatsoever so far, apart form Giger's mural/sculpture or whatever it is that looks as if it could make a good belt buckle.
Maybe all this new stuff lacks a certain sense of Freudian mystery.
I seem to have absolutely no urge to draw one of the engineers or any of the new biomechanic set interiors. But if there is something still that's not been seen that is supposed to interest me, we will see
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Apr 28, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: xii22loop on Apr 28, 2012, 04:24:50 AM
persian civilisation inspiration from Arthur Max? No offence to Persia or human civilization, but come on, could an alien species not be inspired by something human. That was what was so good about Giger, his stuff is bio organic looking it looks completely non-human, completely alien, the floors in the original Derelict didn't even look like anything humanoid was made to walk on them
So far I'm sad about this new film, but at least I'm at least looking forwards to seeing Noomi Rapace in it. The original Alien I suppose will be a film that's unequaled and I don't know what to say about the lack of direct input from Giger, but I don't think that the faux-biomechanics in this new film really affect my subconscious in any interesting way whatsoever so far, apart form Giger's mural/sculpture or whatever it is that looks as if it could make a good belt buckle.
Maybe all this new stuff lacks a certain sense of Freudian mystery.
I seem to have absolutely no urge to draw one of the engineers or any of the new biomechanic set interiors. But if there is something still that's not been seen that is supposed to interest me, we will see
I feel pretty much the same... I will go see Prometheus of course, it's at least something to look forward to, but as an Alien fan I'm expecting something of a cop-out to entertain the masses who couldn't care less anyway. I don't think Prometheus will be a flop, but I don't expect it to be anything really Alien either, and that will be a real shame if it comes to pass.
Quote from: ikarop on Apr 27, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
QuoteGUTALIN was hired to for that, his Gigerian but yet more mechanical style was perfect for the look they wanted.
Seriously?! Gutalin? So damn happy to hear this.
The art of this guy is really terrific :o
Quote from: Zenzucht on Apr 28, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Apr 27, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
QuoteGUTALIN was hired to for that, his Gigerian but yet more mechanical style was perfect for the look they wanted.
Seriously?! Gutalin? So damn happy to hear this.
The art of this guy is really terrific :o
They have some of his work published in the Prometheus edition of L'écran Fantastique Hors-Série. They let you look through the magazine at low resolution here.
http://www.journaux.fr/lecran-fantastique-hors-serie_cinema_art-et-culture_129895.html (http://www.journaux.fr/lecran-fantastique-hors-serie_cinema_art-et-culture_129895.html)
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Quote from: Effectz on Apr 28, 2012, 04:10:57 PM
http://i.imgur.com/vveYV.jpg
Ok a post a while ago that was made by someone on set said he saw for guys dressed in "skeletal costumes eating lunch". Looks like this is now possible. I need to find that post it said some other shit as well.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 28, 2012, 04:00:35 AM
Quote from: NGR01 on Mar 19, 2012, 04:00:45 PM
Maybe the ALIEN space jockey, was also infected at the same moment but managed to flee the planet in the Derelict and
crashed on LV426.
It's been confirmed that the derelict in Alien landed. It did not crash.
Yep my bad.
And i reported it first after i heard it from Scott at the press screening in Paris.
Bad habits die hard.
Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 28, 2012, 01:37:43 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 27, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
I think four. Like the sarcophgis in the Orrery room.
3 will die from chestbursting creatures, the 4th one is the survivor the human crew will meet.
As for the origin of the disaster on LV423, all leads to xeno infestation.
If LV423 is just a waystation for Engineers, i wonder if their homeworld and race still exist.
I'd be suprised to see anything from the original film in this one... including chest-bursters!
Never said we would actually see those chest bursters.
But the holes in the chest of the sarcophagis leaves no doubt about the type of creatures that killed those 3 Engineers.
Like i said month ago, my take on the Derelict is that its pilot and cargo are very very old.
That we will not witness the birth of the alien in PROMETHEUS because they have been a bioweapon already in use for centuries by the Engineers. But there is that leak wich has been pretty accurate from say one that says the human will confront massive alien like creatures in the 3rd act.
Won't be suprised that they end up being those born from Engineers.
Either the same ones or their spawn (the snakes?).
It seems clear to me now that the're will be at least two forms of infections/creature, from the content of the urns and from that snake.
Quote from: xii22loop on Apr 28, 2012, 04:24:50 AM
persian civilisation inspiration from Arthur Max? No offence to Persia or human civilization, but come on, could an alien species not be inspired by something human. That was what was so good about Giger, his stuff is bio organic looking it looks completely non-human, completely alien, the floors in the original Derelict didn't even look like anything humanoid was made to walk on them
I don't remember the exact phrase, Max was kinda just saying that they drew inspiration from many stuff.
This is just one of the visual inspiration he quoted.
Doubt it will be exactly persian like. It has been make clear that the Engineers inspired humans so maybe the idea is that the Persian and other cultures were inspired by them.
Don't think it will be very important in the end.
From day one, the risk of adressing Space Jockeys was that it was going to be rationalized.
What we think, what should be, or how it looked like don't really matter now Scott has HIS take on the material so its take it or leave now.
I'm taking it.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Apr 28, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
Quote from: Zenzucht on Apr 28, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Apr 27, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
QuoteGUTALIN was hired to for that, his Gigerian but yet more mechanical style was perfect for the look they wanted.
Seriously?! Gutalin? So damn happy to hear this.
The art of this guy is really terrific :o
They have some of his work published in the Prometheus edition of L'écran Fantastique Hors-Série. They let you look through the magazine at low resolution here.
http://www.journaux.fr/lecran-fantastique-hors-serie_cinema_art-et-culture_129895.html (http://www.journaux.fr/lecran-fantastique-hors-serie_cinema_art-et-culture_129895.html)
Thanks.
Usually i pass on l'ecran fantastique because they love everything.
Wil check it out if it's intrerresting and not just press kit stuff.
Quote from: Effectz on Apr 28, 2012, 04:10:57 PM
http://i.imgur.com/vveYV.jpg
I'm digging the Engineer's undersuit.
Who says it's their undersuit? What if it's their birthday suit?
Quote from: Effectz on Apr 28, 2012, 04:10:57 PM
http://i.imgur.com/vveYV.jpg
Big bald guys with some exoskeletal biomech parts -- now THESE are some original designs.
Quote from: Effectz on Apr 28, 2012, 04:10:57 PM
http://i.imgur.com/vveYV.jpg
now even though it wasn't designed by Giger, it looks like it was. (although the sets still look like someone else trying to deisgn like Giger, but whatever)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 28, 2012, 06:04:14 PM
Who says it's their undersuit? What if it's their birthday suit?
I do :)
This is the suit they wear all the time.
Their regular clothes if you see what i mean.
Then when needed they wear the full suit (the space jockey full suit also seen in the Juggernaut corridor leading to the Orrery or laying in the ground near the Engineer head).
Ian whyte? thought it was phill martin?
Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 28, 2012, 01:37:43 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 27, 2012, 10:23:28 PM
I think four. Like the sarcophgis in the Orrery room.
3 will die from chestbursting creatures, the 4th one is the survivor the human crew will meet.
As for the origin of the disaster on LV423, all leads to xeno infestation.
If LV423 is just a waystation for Engineers, i wonder if their homeworld and race still exist.
I'd be suprised to see anything from the original film in this one... including chest-bursters!
LV-426 Dude
Maybe there were reshoots, maybe Martin did close ups or test shoot only, or they ended up going with whyte instead.
Who knows. Maybe the other actors that Stammers did not named included Martin.
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 07:29:58 PM
Maybe there were reshoots, maybe Martin did close ups or test shoot only, or they ended up going with whyte instead.
Who knows. Maybe the other actors that Stammers did not named included Martin.
but martin said on his twitter 'THATS ME IN THE CHAIR' lol
I think we can safely assume that the artist who made the prosthetics of the suit knows who he have been working with for 32 days. Like i said we already know of at least 4 actors playing Engineers either for different roles or sizes so Martin is just one of them but the main one seems to be Ian Whyte.
We are talking about LV423 dude.
This is where the Engineer's waystation is.
This is where the Prometheus is flying to.
Check your facts.
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
I think we can safely assume that the artist who made the prosthetics of the suit knows who he have been working with for 32 days. Like i said we already know of at least 4 actors playing Engineers either for different roles or sizes so Martin is just one of them but the main one seems to be Ian Whyte.
We are talking about LV423 dude.
This is where the Engineer's waystation is.
This is where the Prometheus is flying to.
Check your facts.
Talking of facts....Prometheus is set on LV-223...just sayin' ;D
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
I think we can safely assume that the artist who made the prosthetics of the suit knows who he have been working with for 32 days. Like i said we already know of at least 4 actors playing Engineers either for different roles or sizes so Martin is just one of them but the main one seems to be Ian Whyte.
We are talking about LV423 dude.
This is where the Engineer's waystation is.
This is where the Prometheus is flying to.
Check your facts.
I thought it was LV-223 ?
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 05:08:28 PM
Thanks.
Usually i pass on l'ecran fantastique because they love everything.
Wil check it out if it's intrerresting and not just press kit stuff.
I'm not sure what to say about Alain Schlokoff liking The Thing Prequel so much but I think their interviews and articles in their magazine are the best in the world in this field these days for all around content now we've lost Cinefantastique and Starlog. It's a pity that the English language version of the magazine was so short lived
Wow so the Space Jockey is some creepy human like Alien :)
It's about time we see it without the suit.
Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 28, 2012, 08:27:56 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
I think we can safely assume that the artist who made the prosthetics of the suit knows who he have been working with for 32 days. Like i said we already know of at least 4 actors playing Engineers either for different roles or sizes so Martin is just one of them but the main one seems to be Ian Whyte.
We are talking about LV423 dude.
This is where the Engineer's waystation is.
This is where the Prometheus is flying to.
Check your facts.
Talking of facts....Prometheus is set on LV-223...just sayin' ;D
Shame shame shame shame on me ^^
Damn it i spoiled one of the major plot point of Prometheus!!!
LV426 and LV223 are going to merge thanks to Engineer's tech.
Hence LV423...
Do i sound credible?
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Apr 28, 2012, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 05:08:28 PM
Thanks.
Usually i pass on l'ecran fantastique because they love everything.
Wil check it out if it's intrerresting and not just press kit stuff.
I'm not sure what to say about Alain Schlokoff liking The Thing Prequel so much but I think their interviews and articles in their magazine are the best in the world in this field these days for all around content now we've lost Cinefantastique and Starlog. It's a pity that the English language version of the magazine was so short lived
^^!
I remember he created quite a stir in the genre microcosmos in France qwhen he wrote that ^^
I have not bought l'ecran for years, been reading mostly MAD MOVIES.
But now i'm a bit fed with the redaction team (they despise everybody that don't think like them, even their own forum members turned against them). I think i'm gonna try l'Ecran for a few months.
They do seem to get good interviews, from what i gather Mad Movies team has been blacklisted from all the interview stuff with big players (the results of their habits to critize harsly sometimes the movies), on the other hand l'Ecran has always been very positive about every movie so they probably have easier access to the teams behind the movies.
I'm in the mood of positive thinking so i guess l'ECRAN will do ^^
Is this for real?, wow technology is powerful in the Alien series.
Quote from: mastermoon on Apr 28, 2012, 10:04:52 PM
Is this for real?, wow technology is powerful in the Alien series.
he's just kidding. rather than checking his facts ;)
a little "sorry" or something like that would not kill you, NGR01. just sayin'...
No i'm just kidding mastermoon ^^
Sorry if i misled you.
Kol, i know ^^
Just wanted to make a joke out of it.
As if i didnt want to aknowledge my mistake.
But being sorry for a bad typo sounds like a bit overdone ^^
My humor doesnt come as clear as i want sometime.
For that i'm sorry :)
Quote from: mastermoon on Apr 28, 2012, 09:32:53 PM
Wow so the Space Jockey is some creepy human like Alien :)
It's about time we see it without the suit.
The Engineers looks a lot like a cross between a Moebius character (master Burg from EDENA for exemple who is a giant humanoid) mixed with a Giger biomechnical suit.
I love it, can't wait to have the artbook of the movie.
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I'm really interested in seeing what the Engineer's eyes look like. The eyes will really make or break this creature's creepiness.
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 10:19:43 PM
The Engineers looks a lot like a cross between a Moebius character (master Burg from EDENA for exemple who is a giant humanoid) mixed with a Giger biomechnical suit.
I love it, can't wait to have the artbook of the movie.
Well, I think that Moebius is Ridley's key influence again with this movie, which is always good by me, so I'm glad that you've found a tall bald person there, I was wondering where to look
So that one pic is the only photo available from the French magazine?
The whole magazine is available online in low rez.
That is the only exclusive pics in both magazines.
No better scan or official version yet.
linksies? ;)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 28, 2012, 11:29:51 PM
linksies? ;)
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/4004 (http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/4004)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 28, 2012, 11:29:51 PM
linksies? ;)
Thanks to wmmvrrvrrmm who provided the original link
http://www.journaux.fr/lecran-fantastique-hors-serie_cinema_art-et-culture_129895.html (http://www.journaux.fr/lecran-fantastique-hors-serie_cinema_art-et-culture_129895.html)
then click on the link under the magazine cover ;)
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Apr 28, 2012, 11:34:26 PM
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/4004 (http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/4004)
Would have been cool that the guy who took the original link and posted it on that forum gave credits to wmmvrrvrrmm who found it...
argh..they are starting to show too much..
I might have to avoid this part of the forum shortly,no matter how tempting it can become.
Quote from: Vickers Valiant on Apr 28, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
I'm really interested in seeing what the Engineer's eyes look like. The eyes will really make or break this creature's creepiness.
i'm guessing they will be all black maybe, every movie/tv show seems to be all about black eyes.
Thanks. That pic of the suit is the only one of note in the group.
Loving everything so far......I have always been more or a Predator fan, 10x more of a Predator fan mind you......but this is all amazing.
So if the Alien takes on traits from it's host......does this mean the very first Alien and all Aliens we have seen look the way they do because they originated from that Jockey in Alien? I mean if they take on traits? Look at the Engineers's body. His torso mainly. If they do take on the strongest traits from the host they burst out of it makes sense. Maybe the original form of the xenomorph is just waiting for it's first host to begin its evolution to Univeral superiority. Also maybe the xenomorph takes pychological characteristics. Like how the Engineer's control life a d can possibly create it and planet it elsewhere in the universe. Or wipe it out when needed. Maybe the xeno that originates from the engineer gets it's life cycle and obvious infestation because when it is born from a new lice form it takes the traits that best benefits it and then the maybe even a part of that lifeforms deepest darkest agendas or mission and goes completely extreme with it untill it's the last being in the universe. The perfect organism. It takes the the best physhical traits from a host and then takes the darkest side of the host and has no emotional barriers and slowly conquers all. The design of that Engineer and the eel like things we see and the black ooze tell me the Alien we have seen in many films is not just created by the Jockey's but has always carried the jockey's traits with them. Not just physchical traits but psychological traits. Wow I am drunk
Sorry about me bad grammar
I agree, the engineers body does look similar to a Xeno
Quote from: Kev Loaf on Apr 29, 2012, 09:09:50 AM
I agree, the engineers body does look similar to a Xeno
Isn't that just his "spacesuit" of sorts though?
Thanx wmmvrrvrrmm :)
I am now bat-shit crazy jealous of all you french speakers - this magazine feature looks amazing.
Quote from: boostedlsj on Apr 29, 2012, 04:34:12 AM
.... and then the maybe even a part of that lifeforms deepest darkest agendas or mission and goes completely extreme with it untill it's the last being in the universe. The perfect organism.
It takes the the best physhical traits from a host and then takes the darkest side of the host and has no emotional barriers and slowly conquers all. The design of that Engineer and the eel like things we see and the black ooze tell me the Alien we have seen in many films is not just created by the Jockey's but has always carried the jockey's traits with them. Not just physchical traits but psychological traits.
very interesting, I totally agree. Even the alien in the first film - I always felt it as the representation of Kane's dark side, his "alter ego", Kane's eventual tensions with the rest of the crew grew into hostility when he "became" the Alien.
Quote from: Sigglas on Apr 29, 2012, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: Kev Loaf on Apr 29, 2012, 09:09:50 AM
I agree, the engineers body does look similar to a Xeno
Isn't that just his "spacesuit" of sorts though?
Yeah your right.
In the mural, the creature crouching next to the engineer looks xeno like and it has the rib cage. Maybe the engineers armour is made up of the skin of this creature - kind of like ancient soldiers who were a lion or a bear skin cloaks and headress
Quote from: boostedlsj on Apr 29, 2012, 04:34:12 AMWow I am drunk
Onwards drunken speculation train, woo woo...
Quote from: boostedlsj on Apr 29, 2012, 04:34:12 AM...does this mean the very first Alien and all Aliens we have seen look the way they do because they originated from that Jockey in Alien?
Yes, I think that's a pretty good assumption, however the mural suggests that that particular morphology of the creature is well known to the engineers (or at least something very similar to it). If there are no recognizable xenomorphs in the new film, then where does that morphology fit in? Is it the evolutionary 'endgame; the final stage of a long and complicated life cycle made up of many different stages - some of which we will see in Prometheus - or is it just a one-off circumstantial branch of the engineer's viral 'weapon' that resulted from the outbreak above LV-426? If it's that latter, why do the engineers have a mural of something so similar to it in their temple?
My own hunch is that the biology that is responsible for the xenomorph that we know is the same biology that makes up the engineers themselves, and by extension all of their creations (us, maybe). The mural depicts a stage of that biology that the engineers covet but were never able to attain. The xenomorph that invaded the Nostromo and the colony on LV-426 was a bastardization of that biology, as are the parasitic slug things lurking around in the temple in Prometheus. We know now that the engineer is a lone survivor, so perhaps that biology ran amok and has already wiped out their civilization. On learning of the survival of humankind the engineer simply goes 'back to work', knowing that there is a potential world full of test subjects to assimilate into his experiments.
I would love to see a plot where the biology responsible for the xenomorph was also responsible for the extinction of the entire SJ race.
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 11:39:27 PM
Would have been cool that the guy who took the original link and posted it on that forum gave credits to wmmvrrvrrmm who found it...
we'll I'll thank Alain Schlockoff for giving his link from his Facebook page .
Quote from: boostedlsj on Apr 29, 2012, 04:34:12 AM
So if the Alien takes on traits from it's host......does this mean the very first Alien and all Aliens we have seen look the way they do because they originated from that Jockey in Alien?
At the moment, if the spores were the cargo all the time in the derelict, they may not have originated from the Jockey, and certainly would not have originated from the alien that burst from the Jockey, what happened there we don't ultimately know, but before it was decided that the spores were cargo, the alien that created the spores grew from the Space Jockey in Alien so there would have been a definite genetic connection at the time of the idea.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Apr 29, 2012, 12:41:20 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 11:39:27 PM
Would have been cool that the guy who took the original link and posted it on that forum gave credits to wmmvrrvrrmm who found it...
we'll I'll thank Alain Schlockoff for giving his link from his Facebook page .
I meant that the guy who used the link you provided and posted it on prometheus forums ;)
As for the ribcage thing it's just that the whole engineer technology and design is based on biomechanics.
They are all born from the same source hence the similiraties in design.
For exemple the mural with the queen like creature also have a ribcage thing going on.
The Engineer suits are made from the same living material.
Scott made it very strong that he would not come near the alien anymore, nor the facehugger.
We will meet new creatures not proto alien neither.
Since all leads that the alien has been around for long.
Long enough to have wiped out that Engineer's waystation.
This is my take on the material if they end up showing some proto alien infecting an Engineer then show him taking off for lv426 That would be the lamest thing ever.
I think it's pretty evident that the eggs/facehugger from Alien is a vital part of the engineers lifecycle/biomechanoid technology. Just take a look at the murals Gigers did for Alien. I don't think Ridley will deviate much from that overall perspective in Prometheus, although we will see no facehugger/xeno in this film.
What might seem like a horrific element of their technology for a human being, could be regarded as perfectly 'normal' for an engineer. Perhaps there exists a symbiosis relationship between the engineers and some of their creations.
Agreed.
The mural depicting an Engineer fusing with somesort of creature is a proof of that symbiosis thing.
But something has happened, maybe the Engineers went too far or their own creations became more than what they expected. It happened with humans could have happened with the alien.
Wow I was hammered when I posted last night........I am little embarassed haha
:-[
Quote from: NGR01 on Apr 28, 2012, 11:39:27 PM
I meant that the guy who used the link you provided and posted it on prometheus forums ;)
Indeed although I ultimately don't know whether that person who shared the link took it from me or not, but it is likely or he might be another Ecran Fantastique fan who subscribes to their page on Facebook and we'll I still want to thank Alain Schlockoff for giving his link from his Facebook page
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Thanks to 2fray2 from the Prometheus movie forums.
Look familiar?
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Actually, the torso really reminds me of this:
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Now I've seen those new suits in the photos, well I think they might make a good outfit for new versions of the Cybermen from Dr Who and that's about it
Wmm, you're such a Debby Downer :( clearly those suits photographed in that light have zero menace, etc... From what I've seen of the SJ ensuited it's pretty goddamned effective don't you think ol' chap?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 01, 2012, 01:48:21 PM
Wmm, you're such a Debby Downer :( clearly those suits photographed in that light have zero menace, etc... From what I've seen of the SJ ensuited it's pretty goddamned effective don't you think ol' chap?
I keep hoping that I'll see something of real visual interest in the designs but so far it hasn't happened. But they probably might be good as Cybermen suits, a lot better than the ones they have in the Dr Who series presently. Well, I hope we don't get to see the suits too clearly in the final movie.
As it goes the few people I know locally who are fans of the original Alien are having trouble themselves finding anything of real interest about the new Prometheus movie from all the bits and pieces. I think that the only way to really chat about it with them is by comparing everything in it to Dr Who and well, seeming sarcastic about the whole thing. It probably doesn't help that Noomi's character shares her name with a Dr Who character.
With the designs of the original Alien, I could spend decades pondering over and discovering new things and with this new set of designs, it'll all over and done with in the space of a few months unless there's something more to be discovered
i don't know why people are posting giger images. those engineer suits look (both in style and proportions) look like something ADI would come up with. i agree with wmm, this blows.
Here comes the backlash...
Can't wait for ALIEN true fans VS Alien/Prometheus fake fans ^^
This is gonna be fun.
I'm sure I'll like the film more than Avatar and I'll give Ridley credit for making any sort of watchable interesting serious movie at all in the 21st century which probably is not an easy thing to do judging by the quality of movies these days, despite everything I feel the urge to ridicule
There is absolutely nothing wrong with those designs... they clearly bridge the gap between the SJ and the xeno, even to the point where you can see where the SJ's plug themselves in at the back and where the xeno's appendages will be. For me it's further confirmation that the xeno is born of the SJ/SJ suit (and possibly human component too). What's the alternative... more of what we got in Alien IV and AVP I suppose??? ::)
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on May 01, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
Now I've seen those new suits in the photos, well I think they might make a good outfit for new versions of the Cybermen from Dr Who and that's about it
Did you already found them lame when you saw them in the trailer?
Can't please everyone. There are Alien die-hards who sn***er at anything in Aliens, and the latter film is nigh-on universally loved and praised. Some people out there think The Godfather Part II was a mistake...
Quote from: Valaquen on May 01, 2012, 03:07:20 PM
Can't please everyone. There are Alien die-hards who sn***er at anything in Aliens, and the latter film is nigh-on universally loved and praised. Some people out there think The Godfather Part II was a mistake...
I suppose everything was going the wrong way with this production for me since the day I heard the name Lindelof connected with it. And it hasn't helped finding out that in this production, Giger's style is considered dated and then I see what we get instead
I think it will be a journey of discovering everything that's not quite right about this movie but it might all be what Ridley had to make do with in terms of making such a big movie and get the studio backing. But something about it is causing a state of nausea for me and it's not just Lindelof
Quote from: NGR01 on May 01, 2012, 03:04:33 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on May 01, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
Now I've seen those new suits in the photos, well I think they might make a good outfit for new versions of the Cybermen from Dr Who and that's about it
Did you already found them lame when you saw them in the trailer?
what have I seen in the trailer, the dimly lit images of the huge bald man that for months I was praying wasn't going to be the person who turns out to whatever gets inside the suit of the space jockey until it was time to accept the inevitable and then there's the holograms of the space jockeys running through the tunnel, I don't want to use fowl language to describe what I thought about those so the less I say the better, perhaps they might make more sense in 3D.
I feel for you mate.
Sad you're not exited as i am ;)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 01, 2012, 03:38:54 PM
I feel for you mate.
Sad you're not exited as i am ;)
I'll enjoy the acting, I thought the trailer at the cinema introduced me to a film that ought to be ethereal and haunting and might be good especially for people who don't know that much about Alien, but the less I comment about the cave painting the better and the less I take seriously about the making of such a movie in this day and age so seriously the better. We were never going to get the sequel to Alien that Ridley originally wanted so we have to make do with something else in a time when the film industry is a different place altogether
The real sequel Ridley wanted?
What you mean?
Quote from: NGR01 on May 01, 2012, 04:05:24 PM
The real sequel Ridley wanted?
What you mean?
I think he means 'prequel' and i agree with him, Ridley wanted to do an ALIEN prequel with a hard R rating and he wasn't allowed to imo, thats why he left production but came back when the prequel changed to Prometheus.
sorry yes, for years he wanted to do a sequel which would have been going off in the direction that this prequel or sidequel or whatever it is supposed to be seems to be generally going, in terms of finding out what the space jockey was all about
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on May 01, 2012, 08:47:30 PM
sorry yes, for years he wanted to do a sequel which would have been going off in the direction that this prequel or sidequel or whatever it is supposed to be seems to be generally going, in terms of finding out what the space jockey was all about
I remember Scott talking about doing a prequel involving the space jockeys years ago. I had visions in my head what it would be like, i had visions of an Earth ship meeting a space jockey ship in space and the jockeys were friendly towards us, they also looked like they did in ALIEN, they were not wearing a suit!. Of course things went wrong and aliens got lose and to cut a long story short, it all lead into ALIEN. Prometheus hasn't turned out like my vison.
And that's a good thing Mastes. Ridley Scott already directed a film featuring creatures that get loose on a ship. It's called ALIEN. I'd rather Scott stay true to his vision, not ours. Fan pandering are what killed the Star Wars Prequel trilogy in part.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 01, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
and that's a good thing Mastes. Ridley Scott already directed a film featuring creatures that get loose on a ship. It's called ALIEN. I'd rather Scott stay true to his vision, not are. Fan pandering are what killed the Star Wars Prequel trilogy in part.
Stay true to his vision?, his visions was to do 2 true ALIEN prequels but Fox wouldn't give him the money he wanted for 2 R rated films, Scott then left the production and only came back after he read the script for Prometheus. Scotts orig vision had aliens in it.
No, Scott's interest in future Alien films always had much more to do with the jockeys and the origin of that derelict. He was less interested in the alien proper than that going forward, and my understanding is he became much more interested in the project as Prometheus - a relatively 'stand alone' project with its own focus and mythology, as opposed to a straight prequel. In fact, I believe he's explicitly said many times that this was his aim.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 01, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
No, Scott's interest in future Alien films always had much more to do with the jockeys and the origin of that derelict. He was less interested in the alien proper than that going forward, and my understanding is he became much more interested in the project as Prometheus - a relatively 'stand alone' project with its own focus and mythology, as opposed to a straight prequel. In fact, I believe he's explicitly said many times that this was his aim.
Some time in the early 2000's James Cameron had been working on the plot for Alien 5, because of AVP we never got a sequel to Alien Resurrection.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 01, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
No, Scott's interest in future Alien films always had much more to do with the jockeys and the origin of that derelict. He was less interested in the alien proper than that going forward, and my understanding is he became much more interested in the project as Prometheus - a relatively 'stand alone' project with its own focus and mythology, as opposed to a straight prequel. In fact, I believe he's explicitly said many times that this was his aim.
No. Yes the space jockeys were going to be in the prequels but they were going to be alien films with xeno's but he wanted something like $300mil for both R films and Fox wouldn't have it, Scott left the production for months until Prometheus surfaced, Google it if you don't believe me.
Mastes, you're wrong. Scott didn't initially want to direct a formal prequel. He was approached by Fox AFTER they made it known that they wanted him in the directors chair and not Carl Rinsch. When Scott came aboard, it turned away from being a formal ALIEN prequel into Prometheus.
Ridley didn't want to do a straight prequel - and he's said for awhile the original alien itself is played out. When he took over from Rinsch he specifically directed the film's development to be that much more standalone, hence Prometheus, and why Fox is allegedly looking to make a new franchise out of it.
You are all wrong a bit.
5/6 years ago Scott had plans for a sequel already dealing with the SJ, he talked to James Cameron about that and both agreed that Fox needed to stop using the franchise and let them start working on the project.
Fox did not listened and continued the AVP nonsense.
When AVP requiem critically bombed (i think it mades its money back even earned some) FOX knew that they had to do something to keep the cash cow alive and recontacted Scott about doing another ALIEN movie.
He said ok this will be a prequel and i'm not directing it but my stepson Carl Rincsh will.
Fox refused Scott protegee asking him to direct the movie.
Scott said ok, his idea was for 2 R rated movies that were real prequels leading to the events of ALIEN.
Jon Spaihts wrote that direct prequel, wich was going to be cut in 2 movies (wich included the proto alien, the derelict landing on LV426 and the special Order 937 sent to mother).
Scott asked for a budget of 200 millions dollars, FOX refused, no way they were going to put that money in 2 R rated movies especially for a franchise thats almost dead in the water.
Then Scott had the idea to sell the movie as a new franchise.
Asked Damon Lindelof to remove/merge some scenes and transform all the direct links to ALIEN in order to make the story work as one movie cutting the budget in half.
Scott also asked to have the liberty to shoot an R rated movie but agreed to deliver also a PG13 cut.
;)
well said NGR01
on a random different strain, does the Engineer's suits remind anybody the still suits the Fremen wear in David Lynch's DUNE?
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I recall the script with "Special Order 937." It turned out to be fake. Spaihts has debunked it, I believe.
What he and Scott have both said is that their concepts always involved the jockeys, terraforming, the creation of life, etc. I remember that talk going way back to when Rinsch was on the project. Direct prequel to Alien seemed far off even then from Scott's words.
Quote from: xii22loop on May 02, 2012, 07:07:18 AM
well said NGR01
on a random different strain, does the Engineer's suits remind anybody the still suits the Fremen wear in David Lynch's DUNE?
http://snowhugger.net/images/fremen.jpg
Thanks ;)
Those fremen suit are one of my favorite design ever.
Since the design is based on a skinned human concept they do evokes the skeletal Engineer suit.
But when you look closely it's a whole different thing.
Nice catch nonetheless ;)
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2012, 07:53:51 AM
I recall the script with "Special Order 937." It turned out to be fake. Spaihts has debunked it, I believe.
What he and Scott have both said is that their concepts always involved the jockeys, terraforming, the creation of life, etc. I remember that talk going way back to when Rinsch was on the project. Direct prequel to Alien seemed far off even then from Scott's words.
I'm not refering to any script fake or real, but to what Sylvain Despretz told me when he was still working with Scott 6 years ago ifi'm correct. Never said that Jockeys, terraforming etc were not in the original prequel script.
Wich did ended up with the landing of the SJ on LV426, humans were in for the ride and had to fight the huge xeno that punctured the SJ chest :)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 02, 2012, 01:58:42 PM
Quote from: xii22loop on May 02, 2012, 07:07:18 AM
well said NGR01
on a random different strain, does the Engineer's suits remind anybody the still suits the Fremen wear in David Lynch's DUNE?
http://snowhugger.net/images/fremen.jpg
Thanks ;)
Those fremen suit are one of my favorite design ever.
Since the design is based on a skinned human concept they do evokes the skeletal Engineer suit.
But when you look closely it's a whole different thing.
Nice catch nonetheless ;)
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 02, 2012, 07:53:51 AM
I recall the script with "Special Order 937." It turned out to be fake. Spaihts has debunked it, I believe.
What he and Scott have both said is that their concepts always involved the jockeys, terraforming, the creation of life, etc. I remember that talk going way back to when Rinsch was on the project. Direct prequel to Alien seemed far off even then from Scott's words.
I'm not refering to any script fake or real, but to what Sylvain Despretz told me when he was still working with Scott 6 years ago ifi'm correct. Never said that Jockeys, terraforming etc were not in the original prequel script.
Wich did ended up with the landing of the SJ on LV426, humans were in for the ride and had to fight the huge xeno that punctured the SJ chest :)
WOW!! Now I kno where i have seen such suits!! Something was ringing in my head that such design was used before.
But it's an interestng coincidence...First the skull on the top of the pyramid(dune like both, the head and the pyramid) and now the suits..It looks like they are bringing old Giger unused designs to life.
At one point the movie was rumored to be called "Alien: Paradise"
Quote from: mastermoon on May 02, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
At one point the movie was rumored to be called "Alien: Paradise"
Good that they are not using it..sound too cheesy, like an Uwe Boll movie.
My copy of SFX arrived today, no new images but an interesting read non the less
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on May 02, 2012, 04:31:57 PM
My copy of SFX arrived today, no new images but an interesting read non the less
Are scans possible?
It was never called ALIEN: PARADISE but just PARADISE.
It was the codename only used at Pinewood studios, when Scott has a small art departement working on the movie.
:)
SFX scans are available on PROMETHEUSFORUMS already ;)
I you don't speak french, don't bother no new image.
But like my mate said it's an interesting read.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 02, 2012, 04:57:49 PM
It was never called ALIEN: PARADISE but just PARADISE.
It was the codename only used at Pinewood studios, when Scott has a small art departement working on the movie.
:)
SFX scans are available on PROMETHEUSFORUMS already ;)
I you don't speak french, don't bother no new image.
But like my mate said it's an interesting read.
then I asked the wrong question :) is translation possible?
I've translated the juicy facts in the first post of this thread ;)
Well my L'écran Fantastique Horse-Serie arrived. I think reading the interviews in this issue is sending me into even more a state of Promethean Rage than ever
Why??????
You're scarring me.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on May 05, 2012, 12:24:55 PM
Well my L'écran Fantastique Horse-Serie arrived. I think reading the interviews in this issue is sending me into even more a state of Promethean Rage than ever
:( Is it worse than Space Tapir?
Quote from: NGR01 on May 02, 2012, 12:13:18 AM
Scott said ok, his idea was for 2 R rated movies that were real prequels leading to the events of ALIEN.
Jon Spaihts wrote that direct prequel, wich was going to be cut in 2 movies (wich included the proto alien, the derelict landing on LV426 and the special Order 937 sent to mother).
Scott asked for a budget of 200 millions dollars, FOX refused, no way they were going to put that money in 2 R rated movies especially for a franchise thats almost dead in the water.
Then Scott had the idea to sell the movie as a new franchise.
Asked Damon Lindelof to remove/merge some scenes and transform all the direct links to ALIEN in order to make the story work as one movie cutting the budget in half.
Scott also asked to have the liberty to shoot an R rated movie but agreed to deliver also a PG13 cut.
I certainly believe most of the above is true, it also explains why we won't get an "R" rated (or 18 over here) movie which is being saved for the Blu-Ray release. I'd even argue this is not Scott's film at all, but simply a compromise based on the studio telling him what he can and can't do. The fact he's doing it at all says there must be something he sees worth doing with Prometheus, but just how much influence has Rotheman had in all this. Like I always said, I hope some day we get to see what Jon Spaihts wrote, I never did like the idea of Lindelof's involvement, I'm not even convinced Scott really asked him to re-write what was the prequel, that it was more likely at the studios 'request'. Far as all things ALIEN goes I fear the worst, even though it could still be a great movie, it won't be the prequel I hoped for.
So you want a prequel that leads directly into the events of Alien?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 07, 2012, 04:36:23 AM
So you want a prequel that leads directly into the events of Alien?
Not directly no, I mean I don't need to see xeno's, chester-bursters or any of that stuff, what I was hoping for was a bit of reverse engineering, like where did it all come from and what did it do before. Technically one could argue that's what we are getting, but it annoys me we're STILL getting Lindelof insisting it isn't a prequel, so much I can honestly see this film over-writing everything that's been done already, especially if there really is a sequel.
I bought L'Ecran Fantastique.
No new pics as you know, but I think there is some juicy stuff in it.
As I'm not good in English and I don't have a scanner, I took some pics so that someone else (like NGR01 maybe?) could do a better translation.
Anyway, I tried to do my best.
I have highlighted in bold the parts that could be the most interesting.
I'm not sure that this stuff should be in a spoiler tag or not? As it's a released magazine. Just let me know and I will edit.
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Opposite: One of the rooms of the foreign/alien building, immense reserves of containers of the fluid created by the engineers.
Below: the scientist Charlie Holloway, companion of Elizabeth Shaw, will have the opportunity to discover the effects of exposure to this frightening genetic weapon...
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Above: Conceived as a puzzle whose pieces would be a series of mysteries which combine slowly to form a whole, the story of Prometheus is based on many secrecies which are successively revealed to the audience.
Thus, the true motivations of Meredith Vickers (Charlize Theron), here beside Janek (Idris Elba), and the reason for his participation in this mission will be revealed only during the last third of the film, just like the presence on board a human protagonist as important as it is unexpected.
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(Meredith Vickers)
She represents the Weyland company. She have a very specific purpose in mind, that she does not reveals to any of the other crew members. But she does not hide that she have confidential orders.
What really motivates her is one of the film surprises. Michael Fassbender plays David, an android who is like Ash and Bishop in the first two films. We hope to have succeeded in making new things around its character, which is one of the predecessor of Ash and Bishop models in this range of androids. All the technical problems of this prototype have perhaps not been resolved ...
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(Giger)
He intervened as a consultant on this film, and gave us advices. He created several new drawing that were used in some of the large sets that we built. I think in particular of some beautiful murals decorations on which he specifically intervened. In a certain manner, we wanted to "deconstruct" what Giger did in Alien to create the design of this prequel, because we had to anticipate what was at the origin of the following films, both as regards to the sets and the creatures.
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We also examined in detail all the designs of Giger which had not been used in Alien.
There are one or two drawings that Ridley liked particularly, which inspired us to create the appearance of certain forms of extraterrestrial origin that we discover on the planetoid where the film's heroes are going.
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Do you refer to the famous drawing of Giger alien pyramid?
Yes, but in addition to this pyramid, there was also an illustration which represented a building in the shape of dome, with a sort of groove notched at the top, surmounted by a face. We took this drawing and have amalgamated with another building concept of whose aim is that we does not realize immediately that this is a construction made by an intelligent life form, but which can pass for a natural rock formation. It had to have a kind of ambivalence because humans who seek this place on this planetoid should not find the first glance. This is only by scanning the field and doing extensive research they finally locate it.
It is this research and the discovery of this structure that trigger all subsequent events of the story ... But I will not tell you what they found inside the pyramid!
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What was your approach to design the look and feel of the civilization of the "Space Jockeys", and their equipment?
Oh, this was by far the most delicate work and more complex than we had to do on this film!
I think it would have been impossible to create a superior design to the creature they used in the original film. Since Prometheus is a prequel, Ridley wanted to see how we could evolve forms of creatures that would "connect" with those that we have discovered in Alien. To develop these various designs, we mainly took inspiration from creatures we found on earth. I think mainly of life forms underwater, animals found in caves, and other specimens that evolve under conditions of temperature or pressure so phenomenal that it we where persuaded not that long ago that such places could not shelter any living organism ....
After having examined all that, we imagined the whole evolution of creatures from the film.
This evolution of course has a direct relationship with the creature that we saw in the first Alien,
to be said the xenomorph. But I've already talked too much! (laughs). If I add another word, Ridley will send me an alien to settle my case ... All these informations are top secret! (laughs).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0MvgczI1b7k/T6fv8u7XgQI/AAAAAAAAAGg/xDCpI5w2joM/s600/25.JPG)
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Revelations about the Space Jockeys
Are the "Space Jockeys" inventors of the "biomechanical" technology whose appearance was omnipresent in the first Alien ship abroad?
One could also believe that these textures were due to the aliens, as they reproduce them during their development cycle, as we have seen in the scene from Alien and cocoons in the corridors of the base covered with biomechanical structures in Aliens ...
Yes, absolutely, it is the "Spaces Jockeys" and not the aliens who invented that.
This is indeed the idea. This is at the base of their culture and their technology.
But in Prometheus, this technology is in perfect operating condition, whereas in Alien, we've seen only ruins.
Second part will follow asap.
Nggaaaah - chews fist with excitement
Good stuff, Lost Soul, can't wait for the next bit.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xD6sP7zYTKw/T6fv9m6UEoI/AAAAAAAAAG8/GuIyVIbkwGY/s600/27.JPG)
We thus find these forms in their ship?
Yes, we met the codes established in the first film. But forms are this time more mechanical than biological. We took over the artistic style of the original Giger world, then we have synthesized some of these forms for inclusion in our architectures, while also incorporating other elements.
We also had to invent a language and calligraphy, as these creatures are intelligent and need to communicate. The film's plot is based on the fact that these creatures came to Earth in very a deep past, and left their print on our civilization, while allowing us to progress.
All major developments of human civilization are related to these visits. It's a bit similar to what Erich von Daniken told in its famous book "Chariot of the Gods" (Journalist book ref. blabla).
This is the concept on which our original script is built.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rM4CIEJsjp0/T6fv9jhImRI/AAAAAAAAAG0/YP_I5VbP6P4/s600/29.JPG)
What is the idea behind the biomechanics technology? A mixture between nanotechnology and genetic engineering?
Yes, it could ... But we do not explain things in detail. In all cases, for now! There is a certain amount of time between the events described in our film of what happens in the first Alien. There is still the possibility of giving a more ... the prequel! (laughs). We may have the opportunity to explore these ideas a little bit later.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KIllkkPBzq0/T6fv_DnWHOI/AAAAAAAAAHM/XAvi-KN1dqM/s600/31.JPG)
(About hibernation)
It should also be a person placed in hibernation during sleep is fed artificial, which has particular consequences that you will discover in the film, when our heroes wake up. The same phenomena occur when the called creatures "Space Jockeys" also emerge from hibernation. Like humans, they also depend on systems that ensure the proper functioning of their organization, and have adapted to their particular morphology ...
This is only the first part. Better/good translations are not that easy for me. I hope to share stuff that you would like anyway.
Quote from: Lostsoul on May 08, 2012, 09:22:36 PMConceived as a puzzle whose pieces would be a series of mysteries which combine slowly to form a whole, the story of Prometheus is based on many secrecies which are successively revealed to the audience
Unfortunately, the last time Lindelof tried something like this he went balls up at the end; there was no 'whole', just a pile of disparate horseshit. Yes, I'm Lindelof bashing again, no need to point it out to me. ;)
Lostsoul, that was a great read, thank you very much for posting. Also, your translation was very good :)
Some interesting snippets of information. Nothing new per say, but a positive conformation regarding the degree of Giger's involvement.
Quoteimmense reserves of containers of the fluid created by the engineers.
Amazing :o.
Now it's confirmed the Space Jockies made those containers, so it's some type of bio-weapon.
Lostsoul,
great job you don't need my help at all mate :)
One thing is bothering in all those french interview, it seems to me that the translation was sometime poorly made from the english almost babelfish like. As if the journalist did not knew who were the space jockey, the alien, the derelict...
Dunno if i'm clear...
I've noticed that GoogleTranslate does a good job but then where it can't handle itself, Babelfish although it seems unable to handle some obvious French words, seems to come up with some translations that make much more sense.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 08, 2012, 11:32:00 PM
Quoteimmense reserves of containers of the fluid created by the engineers.
Amazing :o.
Now it's confirmed the Space Jockies made those containers, so it's some type of bio-weapon.
Beware that it's a picture's legend from whom I have not seen confirmation in interviews on that point.
It could be true or fuzzy marketing stuff. :-\
However, this picture's legend sounds more true that some I had decide to cut in my second selection before posting.
But for sure they are containers/urns created and stored by the engineers.
That was the point of this selection :)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 09, 2012, 08:52:19 AM
Lostsoul,
great job you don't need my help at all mate :)
One thing is bothering in all those french interview, it seems to me that the translation was sometime poorly made from the english almost babelfish like. As if the journalist did not knew who were the space jockey, the alien, the derelict...
Dunno if i'm clear...
Thanks a lot mate :)
Yes you are clear to me. I was sometimes feeling like doing retro engineering translation. :D
In some places they take shortcuts like melting the "Juggernaut" and the "Derelict" without understanding the importance of this.
Or maybe the "Derelict" is really the aged derelict "Juggernaut"(?) :o
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on May 09, 2012, 01:06:04 PM
I've noticed that GoogleTranslate does a good job but then where it can't handle itself, Babelfish although it seems unable to handle some obvious French words, seems to come up with some translations that make much more sense.
Same experience for me. I used GoogleTranslate and Babelfish, take the best of both in most cases.
But often none of them are right. So I have to rewrite whole parts and compare the reversed results on both.
Make deeper search on some words meaning, wish I would have spend more time in US a long time ago, to avoid all theses details. :-[
Thank you very much for all the thanks.
Especially since, I was not sure about this initiative. :)
Here the second (and final) part
with much more juicy details. (I think)Sorry about the delay, it took me much more time than I thought.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2Rke6fsi_0U/T6fv-wajhgI/AAAAAAAAAHE/8rET6OoVhvY/s600/35.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5dDSb9wjG7k/T6fwAtvczkI/AAAAAAAAAHk/lhFM9ZJusTk/s600/42.JPG)
By the way, does "Space Jockeys" have a real name?
We ended up calling them "engineers",
because they have established humanoid life forms throughout the galaxy.(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sIPNNRl9RgU/T6fwBvshnaI/AAAAAAAAAHw/ZeiUGn_AWdA/s600/47.JPG)
Have you collaborate with Giger on the new concepts it has produced for the film?
No, I did not had this pleasure. But I know that Ridley met him to ask him to take part in Prometheus.
Giger particularly made a mural fresco drawing that we will see in the film,
in the spirit of the painting showing the development cycle of the aliens he had produced for the first film, but which was not shown.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-jW9Sean1Pqo/T6fwB3SdpDI/AAAAAAAAAH0/bCLOf_3zpnc/s600/49.JPG)
(...)
This reminds me also that
for a long time, the ship was called the Magellan and his name was changed to Prometheus, which sticks well better with the theme of the film.
(...)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1MjGW1AL8Ts/T6fwCYfBAEI/AAAAAAAAAIA/mVeIqKc9m9c/s600/50.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MA4LmnkYk_M/T6fwCsv9daI/AAAAAAAAAII/k0TJdzQpVrQ/s600/52.JPG)
Dead planet
Does the action of Prometheus occurs on the
same planetoid in Alien and Aliens?Yes. This is the same planetary system, and
we discover the planet to another point in its history, long before the time of Alien and Aliens. The idea was to describe a planet whose volcanic activity had ceased, a dead world.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nYJpnSy23vo/T6fwDtn7htI/AAAAAAAAAIg/ryvJ7FzHTfI/s600/57.JPG)
(Following the previous topic that talks about his work on the medical section based on 1st Alien movie where the dissection the Facehugger occurs)There is a sequence very close in Prometheus: the one where we look inside, using a scanner,
the helmet where there is still a well preserved head of one the engineers ...Absolutely. I worked on this sequence, and the design of the scanner and devices that surround it.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PZB-c1JfIqk/T6fwEO9DxxI/AAAAAAAAAIw/hIqg-JlRA4Y/s600/67.JPG)
Apart from combinations of engineers, whose design was done by Neville Page, have you had the opportunity to create some of the objects used by these aliens?
In the first sequence of the film, we discover what happens when engineers arrive on earth, and what they do. They have a dome under which are arranged various objects I drew in part, and which were redesigned by Steve Messing. Once conceived by our design team in Los Angeles, the team of English decoration took over to make them. It is sometimes difficult to know what remains of our work in the film, because changes can happen very quickly.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-MRxdJt4X340/T6fwEAF8aVI/AAAAAAAAAIc/3PwRzgwkGYA/s600/68.JPG)
(https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/116483613602162563918/albums/5739819943707604369/5739820252625006674)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V7ZVsqrZwfA/T6fwG-BOcFI/AAAAAAAAAJI/mJ-W139rvsE/s600/76.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T_bqfRP-6zQ/T6fwExj1dZI/AAAAAAAAAIo/_4xDZzSslWY/s600/77.JPG)
(...)
In the first part of film, we can see an engineer who takes his clothes off completely.(...)
The actor who plays
"the sacrificial engineer" that we see naked at the beginning of the film, is wearing about 20 pounds of silicone prostheses on the head and body.
(...)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TF0wahfS57A/T6fwHGpHmYI/AAAAAAAAAJA/AF5OpiqAD5g/s600/78.JPG)
Why this character is called "the sacrificial engineer"?You will understand it by discovering this scene at the beginning of film... but I can not tell you more about it! (laughs). On the other hand, I can talk about the creative process of the character.
(...)
Once the actor have been cast from head to feet,
we created the other engineers that we see in the film, some of whom are older. There are four of them in all, which carries a lot of prosthetics. That represented an enormous amount of work. These scenes were filmed in Iceland.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l3bDoLqAuSg/T6fwGHxKkvI/AAAAAAAAAJE/HAfO3LZ5-x4/s600/80.JPG)
Therefore, what we took for a skull in the original film is in fact a helmet?
Yes. And the remainder is a spacesuit which opens to reveal
the perfect body of this giant humanoid. Engineers are supposed to measure just over 3 meters high, and to resemble sculptures by Michel Ange.Thus they are very close to humans?
They completely have the appearance of human beings,
except for their size. They does not have hairs nor hair,
and look like marble statues. (...)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5-ibtYu4mAc/T6fwIIpADcI/AAAAAAAAAJM/EquaTG-nJwA/s600/83.JPG)
Fifield (played by Sean Harris) is one of two crew members of Prometheus who is infected and metamorphoses itself. Became uncontrollable, he attacks his comrades who defend themselves with blow of flame thrower.
You can see him here, while Ridley Scott gives his instructions to Sean Harris, deformed skull, and the half-burnt suit of the character.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KVId2j8tbDk/T6fwIqSr8NI/AAAAAAAAAJY/rQJWk0n9-TM/s600/85.JPG)
Conor O'Sullivan followed precise directions of Ridley Scott, on the physical aspect of the "engineers": these giants resemble
both the David of Michelangelo and the male characters of the drawings of British artist William Blake.(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V38MdkjZNHo/T6fwJHVCmWI/AAAAAAAAAJg/Y4P0WGDUd1k/s600/87.JPG)
(...)
But in Prometheus, biomechanical details on the walls and floor are much thinner, much better defined, since this environment is supposed being almost in a perfect state. There is no signs of decay, rust, or translucent viscous mud as in Alien, because time has not yet taken effect ... We thus applied the same process in creating the engineer spacesuit, of which all the details are finer and more sharp. As in the illustrations of Gutalin.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jZ_oJ0lRieQ/T6fwJKvrVtI/AAAAAAAAAJo/xxWUSi6aN8w/s600/90.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-yjR28l7Biv8/T6fwKAVwIBI/AAAAAAAAAKI/PZ7tguZDdwQ/s600/92.JPG)
The alien mutations
In a scene, the crew of the Prometheus passes a helmet of Space Jockey to the scanner ...
Yes, because they find a decapitated head inside of the helmet of one of the suit which have an elephantine aspect.
The airlock door slammed shut on one of the body and the head and the helmet were found in an environment which prevented them from decomposing. They bring back this helmet and this head inside the ship and undertake to open it.
They find a perfectly preserved head of an engineer and they attempt to analyze it. We made the decapitated head and the helmet of the engineer, and we gave it to the "Creatures Department" who placed
animatronic mechanisms inside. (...)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N7piqJERVaQ/T6fwJodpzZI/AAAAAAAAAJw/3D9PpOIGQVc/s600/93.JPG)
One of the crew member of the Prometheus is also infected by alien DNA ...
In fact,
there are two crew members who are infected. Some of the effects around these caracters had to be made
with animatronic effigies, (....)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H4YODys4fAE/T6fwKkzlrJI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/7cRiTThio8o/s600/95.JPG)
Did you create other effects makeup for this film?
Yes. We designed, manufactured and applied
a make-up of aging on a character of which I cannot reveal the identity. And we also carried out some effects of
wounds for a fight scene between Naomi Rapace and the engineer, whose black blood spreads. We also made a mannequin on the effigy of the engineer.(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-4JTYNugiepM/T6fv3Ruui1I/AAAAAAAAAFg/XqnomJc5Qg0/s600/102.JPG)
An extensive work
You created digital doubles of several actors and also of Space Jockeys ...
Yes, some intervene during some stunts, like the storm that we spoke of earlier, but
we also created animations which I would call "special" for some characters, and not related to stunts. There is also some moments in the film during which we see the crew of the Prometheus as if they were walking on a transparent floor, in extreme low-angle shot, and we created them in 3D and connected with the live action end of plan. We have also created digital doubles of other characters for sequences in which they appear in close-up, and where they must have a photorealistic rendering.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OBqeDJBONsE/T6fv3vemxDI/AAAAAAAAAFc/r080NZmhBnI/s600/103.JPG)
Looking back, what are the plans and sequences which you are the most satisfied?
I think that the crash of the foreign ship which you saw a glimpse into the broadcasted images is a great sequence. This is a moment of action absolutely exceptionnal, whose pace is breathtaking.
There are many other sequences of the film that I would like to quote, but they have not been revealed yet. But believe me, the work done by MPC on the crash and the one of Weta on elements of the film which are yet to be discovered is truly amazing.
Guess that finally settles the Magellan debate...
Man there is some juicy stuff in there. Thanks a billion Lostsoul! :)
Lostsoul, you are a treasure. 8)
Quote from: Lostsoul on May 10, 2012, 10:21:37 PM
Does the action of Prometheus occurs on the same planetoid in Alien and Aliens?
Yes. This is the same planetary system, and we discover the planet to another point in its history, long before the time of Alien and Aliens. The idea was to describe a planet whose volcanic activity had ceased, a dead world.
OH MY GOOOOOOAAAAAAA----
Quote from: Lostsoul on May 10, 2012, 10:21:37 PM
And we also carried out some effects of wounds for a fight scene between Naomi Rapace and the engineer, whose black blood spreads.
How original.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chrisnu.com%2Fftf%2Fgal%2Fftf%2FScreenshot004.jpg&hash=c022a36ba0818135e94a42c533c384e8a268c3ef)
FIGHT THE FUTURE, anyone?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 11, 2012, 12:13:02 AM
Lostsoul, you are a treasure. 8)
Quote from: Lostsoul on May 10, 2012, 10:21:37 PM
Does the action of Prometheus occurs on the same planetoid in Alien and Aliens?
Yes. This is the same planetary system, and we discover the planet to another point in its history, long before the time of Alien and Aliens. The idea was to describe a planet whose volcanic activity had ceased, a dead world.
OH MY GOOOOOOAAAAAAA----
Yeah, that's a god-damned bombshell right there. My head went all jockey and exploded.
The translation there is a little screwy though.
Is it the same planetoid, or the same planetary system. Those are two different things. I think, give the fact that we got a different number "LV-233" it's not the same planet, still, bad translation is bad.
Quote from: Lostsoul on May 08, 2012, 09:22:36 PM
The film's plot is based on the fact that these creatures came to Earth in very a deep past, and left their print on our civilization, while allowing us to progress.
All major developments of human civilization are related to these visits. It's a bit similar to what Erich von Daniken told in its famous book "Chariot of the Gods" (Journalist book ref. blabla).
This is the concept on which our original script is built.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1134.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm604%2Fsmurph96%2FFacepalm.jpg&hash=d9719e23722d9ae804bf2c622d885d9d06bbb5f1)
Quote from: Lostsoul on May 08, 2012, 09:22:36 PM
We ended up calling them "engineers", because they have established humanoid life forms throughout the galaxy.
Yes. And the remainder is a spacesuit which opens to reveal the perfect body of this giant humanoid. Engineers are supposed to measure just over 3 meters high, and to resemble sculptures by Michel Ange.
Thus they are very close to humans?
They completely have the appearance of human beings, except for their size. They does not have hairs nor hair, and look like marble statues. (...)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi212.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc75%2Fh190jjv%2FPublic%2Fdouble-facepalm-picard-riker-2.jpg&hash=b257f138704341c6d8f0d5b95084d807c9d59d19)
Hey Deut did you read this little snippet from the recent Spaihts interview? http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43387.msg1358345#msg1358345 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43387.msg1358345#msg1358345)
It's okay Deut, it's okay...
It's okay, guys--Deuterium is just trying to break the world record for Longest Sustained Facepalm. It's been what, three or four months now of solid facepalming? ;D
If he keeps his palm over his face like that then he'll miss the movie!
Because a movie about a monster running around in a space craft growing 9 feet without eating is soo believable....
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 11, 2012, 02:07:45 AM
Because a movie about a monster running around in a space craft growing 9 feet without eating is soo believable....
Spin that wheel! Around we go, wheeeeeeee! ;)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 11, 2012, 02:07:45 AM
without eating
Never substantiated.
Something that is alien that is unexplained (it very well could have drawn nutrion through it's skin for example.)
Is not the same as something we already know the facts about being turned on it's head.
We already have a thread about that stuff already though. So that's all i'm gonna say about that
here.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fictional (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fictional)
All I'm gonna say.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 11, 2012, 02:07:45 AM
Because a movie about a monster running around in a space craft growing 9 feet without eating is soo believable....
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:P ;)
Quote from: Valaquen on May 11, 2012, 02:28:55 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fictional (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fictional)
All I'm gonna say.
Oh yeah?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/banana (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/banana)
Take that.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 11, 2012, 02:30:31 AM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Deuterium/a3c56e9d-68c7-4306-9c0a-0bafd5ca1006.jpg
Hahaha! :laugh:
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 11, 2012, 02:31:01 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on May 11, 2012, 02:28:55 AM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fictional (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fictional)
All I'm gonna say.
Oh yeah?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/banana (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/banana)
Take that.
Foiled :(
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 11, 2012, 02:07:45 AM
Because a movie about a monster running around in a space craft growing 9 feet without eating is soo believable....
But we never see it
NOT eating anything... ;) ;D
Quote from: Cvalda on May 11, 2012, 02:39:26 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 11, 2012, 02:07:45 AM
Because a movie about a monster running around in a space craft growing 9 feet without eating is soo believable....
But we never see it NOT eating anything... ;) ;D
A little known fact...
Ripley actually had 152 cats aboard the Nostromo.
Jonesy (the little sh**t) was the sole survivor. I think we can all guess what happenned to the other 151 cats.
I'm just sayin' ;D Our chestburster friend could have slipped into a fuel pipe or something and drunk up. It's an alien biological weapon, who knows what it can consume to gain biomass (aside from people).
Quote from: Deuterium on May 11, 2012, 02:30:31 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 11, 2012, 02:07:45 AM
Because a movie about a monster running around in a space craft growing 9 feet without eating is soo believable....
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Deuterium/a3c56e9d-68c7-4306-9c0a-0bafd5ca1006.jpg
I'd pay to see the adult alien that resulted from that godless union.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 11, 2012, 02:49:35 AM
I'm just sayin' ;D Our chestburster friend could have slipped into a fuel pipe or something and drunk up. It's an alien biological weapon, who knows what it can consume to gain biomass (aside from people).
I think it ate Brett and Parkar's stash of hash.
That would explain why it was such a mellow murderer.
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Quote from: Cvalda on May 11, 2012, 02:49:35 AM
I'm just sayin' ;D Our chestburster friend could have slipped into a fuel pipe or something and drunk up. It's an alien biological weapon, who knows what it can consume to gain biomass (aside from people).
I'm stickin' with the cat theory. Mostly because my dog approves...mostly.
It's a movie, who cares? Von Daniken's writing makes for good fiction.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 11, 2012, 02:58:10 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 11, 2012, 02:49:35 AM
I'm just sayin' ;D Our chestburster friend could have slipped into a fuel pipe or something and drunk up. It's an alien biological weapon, who knows what it can consume to gain biomass (aside from people).
I'm stickin' with the cat theory. Most because my dog approves...mostly.
I have an alternate cat theory: Jonesy was sneaking it corn-bread.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 11, 2012, 03:01:55 AM
I have an alternate cat theory: Jonesy was sneaking it corn-bread.
Plausible...but it doesn't explain the missing 151 cats.
Furthermore, it doesn't explain the opening caption when we see the Nostromo:
Quotecommercial towing vehicle 'The Nostromo'
crew: seven
cargo: refinery processing
19,999,990 tons of mineral ore
10 tons of kitty litter
course: returning to earth
Quote from: Deuterium on May 11, 2012, 03:11:00 AM
Quotecommercial towing vehicle 'The Nostromo'
crew: seven
cargo: refinery processing
19,999,990 tons of mineral ore
10 tons of kitty litter
course: returning to earth
.....who changed all the litter boxes when the crew was in hibernation? ಠ_ಠ
Quote from: Deuterium on May 11, 2012, 03:11:00 AM
Quotecommercial towing vehicle 'The Nostromo'
crew: seven
cargo: refinery processing
19,999,990 tons of mineral ore
10 tons of kitty litter
course: returning to earth
The real mystery is then; what did the cats eat!? ;D
Quote from: Cvalda on May 11, 2012, 03:12:25 AM
.....who changed all the litter boxes when the crew was in hibernation? ಠ_ಠ
Ahhh, you see, there is where my theory hits a bit of a snag.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 11, 2012, 03:13:41 AM
The real mystery is then; what did the cats eat!? ;D
That also poses a bit of a stumper.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 11, 2012, 03:12:25 AM
.....who changed all the litter boxes when the crew was in hibernation? ಠ_ಠ
Mother.
It really goes to the root of her depression, and explains why she refused to turn the cooling units back on.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 11, 2012, 03:35:26 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 11, 2012, 03:12:25 AM
.....who changed all the litter boxes when the crew was in hibernation? ಠ_ಠ
Mother.
It really goes to the root of her depression, and explains why she refused to turn the cooling units back on.
Brilliant! The theory is rescued. If I just lost 151 beloved cats, and happened to be a maternal A.I., I'd be damned if I was gonna turn the cooling units back on, either. And if I was feeling especially bitchy, I would have
told Ripley she had 5 minutes until auto self-destruct...but really only given her 4.
Back on topic now, we''re getting derailed.
Superb job, Lostsoul. Thank you! ;)
The point is....the ancient astronaut theory is as plausible theory as any for a science fiction film to explore. A story about a magic god like entity creating a garden for his creations to dwell in seems less plausible in my opinion.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 11, 2012, 02:48:41 PM
The point is....the ancient astronaut theory is as plausible theory as any for a science fiction film to explore. A story about a magic god like entity creating a garden for his creations to dwell in seems less plausible in my opinion.
The difference is, one would be classified as fantasy (see: magic), and the other as science fiction.
Plus, we aren't talking about a story that deals with the latter. We're talking about one that deals with the former, nobody is doing a movie based on the latter, yet.