Found this online today, looks like he's not in it for sure
I will bet this will piss a bunch of people off concerning his comments about the upcoming movie
Here's the link to read yourselves
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/movies/arnold-schwarzenegger-talks-new-movie-aftermath-plus-predator-twins-conan-updates-195430705.html
the relevant quote:
My all-time favorite film of yours is Predator, and Shane Black is now rebooting the franchise with The Predator. Are you involved with it in any way?
They asked me, and I read it, and I didn't like it — whatever they offered. So I'm not going to do that, no. Except if there's a chance that they rewrite it, or make it a more significant role. But the way it is now, no, I won't do that.
I understand why he hated the script. It sucks.
Shane, you should have made his role more significant... :-\
I WANT DUTCH
I don't think he liked his role in the movie rather than not liking the script at all (hopefully) ???
But he liked the script to the last Terminator and that Jackie Chan movie? Nah, he's just not liking that he wasn't offered a substantial role.
Quote from: ThePredatorUK on Apr 05, 2017, 11:33:41 PM
I don't think he liked his role in the movie rather than not liking the script at all (hopefully) ???
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 05, 2017, 11:45:06 PM
But he liked the script to the last Terminator and that Jackie Chan movie? Nah, he's just not liking that he wasn't offered a substantial role.
That's what I think too, he didn't like the role he was given.
QuoteThey asked me, and I read it, and I didn't like it — whatever they offered. So I'm not going to do that, no. Except if there's a chance that they rewrite it, or make it a more significant role. But the way it is now, no, I won't do that.
This gives me the impression he'll do the film if Dutch was given a more significant role. I bet it's the "Dutch in an advisory role" that many people speculated on that he's not keen in doing.
Oh well, there's no loss, we still get Predators in the film. Arnie's only been in one movie and isn't that significant to the franchise as a whole. All it needs is an interesting story and characters.
The role as I know it is a very very brief cameo, implied to be bigger in future films.
I wouldn't be shocked if he was lying.
It was just going to be a few seconds at the end, right?
2 lines at most.
As I said, very very brief.
I will say that I think given what both Predator and Black did for Arnold's career (Black was an uncredited writer on the original film, which is part of the reason he was brought in as an actor), and given the amount of other schlock Arnold has done lately, I think making an appearance for the fans and the franchise is the least he could do. Especially since Dutch's scripted appearance is largely a springboard for future films in the new mythos Black and Dekker have set up, and certainly implies a major role going forward.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 01:53:51 AM
The role as I know it is a very very brief cameo, implied to be bigger in future films.
I wouldn't be shocked if he was lying.
So are you implying Black will be doing other Predator films?
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 06, 2017, 02:53:53 AM
So are you implying Black will be doing other Predator films?
I think it's very possible Black and/or Dekker will based on the ending of the story. The additions to the mythos and the final scenes set up a huge new horizon for the franchise. Assuming it is successful and they are willing.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 02:56:27 AM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 06, 2017, 02:53:53 AM
So are you implying Black will be doing other Predator films?
I think it's very possible Black and/or Dekker will based on the ending of the story. The additions to the mythos and the final scenes setup a huge new horizon for the franchise. Assuming it is successful and they are willing.
It would be nice to actually have the franchise going strong with more movies that aren't all crossovers
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I think it depends a great deal on whether the studio doesn't panic or get cold feet based on geek reaction to the film, which I think is very possible - I still expect an Iron Man 3 deeply polarized audience reaction - and also whether they're willing to let Black and/or Fred Dekker take the reins and more control, if one or both want to continue. Shane Black is gonna stay Shane Black but this is a bit of a comeback for his partner Dekker, who's had a rough ride over the years. Anyway, who knows.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 03:01:30 AM
I think it depends a great deal on whether the studio doesn't panic or get cold feet based on geek reaction to the film, which I think is very possible - I still expect an Iron Man 3 deeply polarized audience reaction - and also whether they're willing to let Black and/or Fred Dekker take the reins and more control, if one or both want to continue. Shane Black is gonna stay Shane Black but this is a bit of a comeback for his partner Dekker, who's had a rough ride over the years. Anyway, who knows.
Yeah I expect haters no matter what, I think even with Dekker having a rough ride lately, but hopefully will be different teamed back up with Black
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My vague recollection is Dekker may have written much of the final script based on Black's outline, but they work very closely together so who knows. It is very much in the vein of their past team-ups, like Monster Squad and the unmade John Carpenter/Kurt Russell project Shadow Company, etc.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 03:01:30 AM
I think it depends a great deal on whether the studio doesn't panic or get cold feet based on geek reaction to the film, which I think is very possible - I still expect an Iron Man 3 deeply polarized audience reaction - and also whether they're willing to let Black and/or Fred Dekker take the reins and more control, if one or both want to continue. Shane Black is gonna stay Shane Black but this is a bit of a comeback for his partner Dekker, who's had a rough ride over the years. Anyway, who knows.
Yeah I can already see the Prometheus-y reaction now. The followup to The Predator would be a straight up hunting movie. Ugh.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 06, 2017, 03:20:19 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 03:01:30 AM
I think it depends a great deal on whether the studio doesn't panic or get cold feet based on geek reaction to the film, which I think is very possible - I still expect an Iron Man 3 deeply polarized audience reaction - and also whether they're willing to let Black and/or Fred Dekker take the reins and more control, if one or both want to continue. Shane Black is gonna stay Shane Black but this is a bit of a comeback for his partner Dekker, who's had a rough ride over the years. Anyway, who knows.
Yeah I can already see the Prometheus-y reaction now. The followup to The Predator would be a straight up hunting movie. Ugh.
I don't think the mixed-to-later-negative reaction to
Prometheus was nearly as venomous as the geek reaction to IM3. The difference is IM is a bulletproof franchise, it made a shit-ton of money and Shane Black is a Hollywood folk hero who is relatively invulnerable at this point IMO. The reaction to
Prometheus built and built with time, IM3's fan backlash was instant and intense despite (IIRC) good reviews.
I think
The Predator as a story is much more focused and confident in itself and its goals than the final version of
Prometheus ever was. Whether or not fans like it I think it will make money. But I do worry the studio will take any vituperative reaction too much to heart.
That being said: I do suspect any Black/Dekker follow-up film likely
would be a more war/hunt-oriented film, based on where things are left in the story.
Yeah you're quite right about that. Many people didn't know what to make of Prometheus but praised the visuals and Fassbender, only to eventually love it or hate it.
And even if the succeeding entry is a war movie, as long as it's a Black/Dekker movie, who really cares. They're amazingly talented guys. And I do hope they are involved in the followup, taking the reigns like Ridley is doing with Alien. Their tone is too unique. I have heard that Fox wants a trilogy with this.
And it's interesting because once upon a time, Black did say that you don't need to tell another Predator film whereas you could tell infinite Iron Man stories. This was circa 2013. I'm glad he's broadened the narrative breadth.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 06, 2017, 03:50:24 AM
I have heard that Fox wants a trilogy with this.
They always say that, it shows confidence in their product. Whether it's true or not, who knows.
No Arnold is a real downer for me, this was basically the last chance to have him in this franchise one more time and go out with a bang. By the time another sequel will realistically go into production he'll be 73/74.
I can understand his decision though, if it's not a substantial role and doesn't really add to the story then better leave him out and let him be the mystery that every fan can make up his own mind about.
Let's see if they try and get Glover for that role now then...
The movie would be better without the roles in the leaked script anyway.
I agree it sounds more like he didn't like the role he was offered rather than the script as a whole. Still, not really fussed about Arnie not being in it. He's not the megastar draw he used to be.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 02:47:43 AM
given what both Predator and Black did for Arnold's career
Not a whole lot. It was a good film under his belt and one of the better things he did in the second half of the 80s, but his career was made in
Conan,
Terminator and even
Commando.
Predator didn't bolster him; he bolstered
Predator.
From what I understand it was a very very very small role at the very end of the script with like 2 lines. I'm just double checking before I front-page this but I can understand his decision.
I don't blame Arnold for not appearing in this turd. The script is horrid and thank God he refused to take any part in the burial of this franchise.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2017, 09:13:11 AM
From what I understand it was a very very very small role at the very end of the script with like 2 lines. I'm just double checking before I front-page this but I can understand his decision.
Well, if that's true then i'm glad he turned it down, that's exactly the kind of cameo i didn't want.
Quote from: predator88 on Apr 06, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
I don't blame Arnold for not appearing in this turd. The script is horrid and thank God he refused to take any part in the burial of this franchise.
Arnold was reacting to his part, not the script as a whole, he even said he would do it if they would rewrite his role.
The franchise was dead after Predator 2, then it was dead again after Predators. It still keeps coming back, and this time, in a very promising way.
Predator is still "A-class" unlike many franchises which turned DTV over the years, which could have easily happened. The sequels so far may not be quality all the way, yet the fanbase is growing, people are going to the cinema, buying the blu-ray's and for the most part, enjoying it.
So please, don't shit your pants just yet.
Quote from: predator88 on Apr 06, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
I don't blame Arnold for not appearing in this turd. The script is horrid and thank God he refused to take any part in the burial of this franchise.
I wanted Dutch badly and even had a banner with him, but that was before, now that I know the script is an unforgivable childish turd, I'm glad he refused to be part of it.
It's a fantastic childish turd!
And again, Arnold's role was a setup for a large role in future. But hey, whatever.
he probably stopped reading after "spider Predators".
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 11:36:51 AM
It's a fantastic childish turd!
And again, Arnold's role was a setup for a large role in future. But hey, whatever.
Spoiler
Who wants a setup when Dutch hires a 10 years old autistic kid in his task force ? :laugh: Children ?
It's Robocop 3 all over again.
Would it help if I told you that it is made explicit that the dreaded 'spider-Predators' are not the norm?
No? Oh well, I tried! :D
That's a shame. I bet they could get the actress from "Predators" though... Is it Anna Maria Braggia? Or Danny Glover.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 06, 2017, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 11:36:51 AM
It's a fantastic childish turd!
And again, Arnold's role was a setup for a large role in future. But hey, whatever.
Spoiler
Who wants a setup when Dutch hires a 10 years old autistic kid in his task force ? :laugh: Children ?
"
Children? In
my Predator movie?!"
Quote from: Russ on Apr 06, 2017, 11:43:07 AM
That's a shame. I bet they could get the actress from "Predators" though... Is it Anna Maria Braggia? Or Danny Glover.
Nobody cares about either one of those characters tbh
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 11:36:51 AM
And again, Arnold's role was a setup for a large role in future. But hey, whatever.
Which assumes the movie does well enough to get a sequel.
Predators wanted one, and look how that turned out.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 11:55:27 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 11:36:51 AM
And again, Arnold's role was a setup for a large role in future. But hey, whatever.
Which assumes the movie does well enough to get a sequel.
Predators wanted one, and look how that turned out.
This ain't
Predators, which IMO looked and felt tossed off from beginning to end despite being passable. I have relatively little doubt Shane Black will make the studio their money with the general audience, same as IM3. My concern is that the raging fanboys will make the studio skittish.
I have a feeling you're underestimating the negative capabilities "Kid flies a Predator ship" can have on marketing for this kind of movie :P
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
Would it help if I told you that it is made explicit that the dreaded 'spider-Predators' are not the norm?
No? Oh well, I tried! :D
Wait are you saying there's no spider Predators? [emoji848] lol
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Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 12:03:01 PM
I have a feeling you're underestimating the negative capabilities "Kid flies a Predator ship" can have on marketing for this kind of movie :P
And
I have a feeling you've overestimating how much the general audience is gonna give a shit about or even notice the nerd rage on forums like these.
It didn't keep 'em away from
Iron Man 3 and I personally very much doubt it will here given the cast assembled and the potential to cherry-pick pretty good material and dialogue for the trailers and TV spots. Further, there is plenty of action and carnage with the adults and I don't think they're likely to show Jacob Tremblay flying the ship up front.
If it doesn't do well I frankly feel it'll be because
Predator as a brand may just be tired.
Predators was a reasonably inoffensive, cheap sequel that felt cheap,
The Predator is a big-budget A-list creative project. If both were to fail then making another 'hardcore jungle hunt' movie is IMO not likely to produce bigger results than either of the other two.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
Would it help if I told you that it is made explicit that the dreaded 'spider-Predators' are not the norm?
No? Oh well, I tried! :D
Wait are you saying there's no spider Predators? [emoji848] lol
I said any alleged spider creature or hybrid is notably not the norm or a natural evolution of the Predator species.
I'm calling it now, 2018 movie of the year!
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The leaked script....it is fake. Dekker said it himself. So spiders predators, giant predators etc.? Is it true or not?
No Arnold? No point!
I suspect this will be the last Predator film for a long time.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 11:43:33 AM
Nobody cares about either one of those characters tbh.
My thought was that by including Dutch, they'd want to a tie-in to previous movies in the franchise. If not Dutch, then AN Other would do.
I think it's more likely that if there's no Dutch (and I am not convinced there isn't) they'll slug in some other bit for the very end. But I don't think the answer will be Mike Harrigan or (God forbid) anyone from Predators.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 12:06:31 PM
And I have a feeling you've overestimating how much the general audience is gonna give a shit about or even notice the nerd rage on forums like these.
Why do you think it's only people "nerd raging"?
Predator appeals to a very general audience, but it's a general audience of people who like adult-oriented sci-fi action. Big guns, big monsters, and lots of carnage.
And that's not typically the kind of audience that thinks kids flying Predator space ships is just the bees' f**king knees.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
Why do you think it's only people "nerd raging"?
I dunno, maybe the sign above the door on the forum? And other forums very much like it, of course. I'm a geek, I love geek shit but geek forums are often myopic and very self-serious about their perception of any property. It rarely reflects the whole of the general audience take. Geeks get so intense about this shit they lose a lot of perspective.
QuotePredator appeals to a very general audience, but it's a general audience of people who like adult-oriented sci-fi action. Big guns, big monsters, and lots of carnage.
There's plenty of that in
The Predator. Preorder your ticket now!
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 11:55:27 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 11:36:51 AM
And again, Arnold's role was a setup for a large role in future. But hey, whatever.
Which assumes the movie does well enough to get a sequel.
Predators wanted one, and look how that turned out.
To be fair, Predators didn't get a sequel because of money reasons. A movie that does nearly 130 million worldwide and another 25 - 30 million in DVD-sales on a 38 million budget is a success, not counting in the merchandising which does also very well (ask Neca).
Predators didn't get a sequel because FOX had a regime change and people walked away, producers got busey again doing other stuff, that happens all the time, even with very successful movies and critically acclaimed movies.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 12:06:31 PM
And I have a feeling you've overestimating how much the general audience is gonna give a shit about or even notice the nerd rage on forums like these.
Why do you think it's only people "nerd raging"? Predator appeals to a very general audience, but it's a general audience of people who like adult-oriented sci-fi action. Big guns, big monsters, and lots of carnage.
And that's not typically the kind of audience that thinks kids flying Predator space ships is just the bees' f**king knees.
There is nothing that suggests that we won't have big monsters and lots of carnage. It's like with Fast and Furious, after part 4 the movies weren't exclusively about car racing again, they became thrillers with elements of what fans loved about it in the past, and became a billion dollar franchise.
A kid flying a spaceship is might not for the action "we want blood and guts audience" under us, but for sci-fi orientated audiences that made movies like Super 8 or even Stranger Things a success it absolutely hits a beat.
It is definitely a hard-driving, violent action movie and that is definitely what they will highlight in all marketing, along with the humor and cast.
I think fans in general think way too complicated when it comes to marketing. You know how it will go? They show some violence, some guns and a cool as shit looking Predator= Fans gonna be there by default.
The rest of the trailer (Spaceships, the kid, money shots) is either for the general audience or Shane Black fans, who normally don't give a damn about Predator and only watch it for him... or the "hot as shit" looking cast (i don't make this up, look on social media, there is a ton of chicks waiting for this movie just for Boyd Holbrook).
Kinda surprised by this as Arnold has done cameos before. I guess he's more apprehensive when it's for a franchise he's really well known for.
I suspect Keegan-Michael Key and the humor will not hurt with audiences, either.
Quote
I'm convincing myself if was just the role rather than the script itself
QuoteShane Black:
Me too... I spoke with him, I think it was that he didn't have enough to do. Enough presence in the film.
https://twitter.com/BonafideBlack/status/849956540568150017
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
I dunno, maybe the sign above the door on the forum?
That's not what I meant at all. I'm asking why you think it's only down to nerd rage. Are regular audience members immune to having opinions on these things?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2017, 12:46:28 PM
I think fans in general think way too complicated when it comes to marketing. You know how it will go? They show some violence, some guns and a cool as shit looking Predator= Fans gonna be there by default.
Trailers only get you through the front door. After opening weekend, it's basically all word of mouth. That's why even the shittiest movies can have great openings. Hell, look at
Life. It's everything you could want from a monster on a spaceship film, but it's tanking. It's not even a bad film. It's just not appealing to people, even with major star appeal behind it.
I might end up way off the mark, and I'd love to be -- bring back regular Predator movies! -- but acting like the only possible negative reaction will come from the divided die hard fans or nerds is, well
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
myopic
Quote from: predator88 on Apr 06, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
I don't blame Arnold for not appearing in this turd. The script is horrid and thank God he refused to take any part in the burial of this franchise.
Arnold was reacting to his part, not the script as a whole, he even said he would do it if they would rewrite his role.
The franchise was dead after Predator 2, then it was dead again after Predators. It still keeps coming back, and this time, in a very promising way.
Predator is still "A-class" unlike many franchises which turned DTV over the years, which could have easily happened. The sequels so far may not be quality all the way, yet the fanbase is growing, people are going to the cinema, buying the blu-ray's and for the most part, enjoying it.
So please, don't shit your pants just yet.
The franchise has never been dead. They just keep pouring out $hit Predators and this one. And the fanbase is indeed big but the majority only loves the first film and some like me love Predator 2 also. On paper this film is an absolute train wreck and does nothing to build on what makes the first movie such a masterpiece.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 12:58:07 PM
bring back regular Predator movies!
I'm gonna lay money that Paul WS will become the saviour of these franchises. In 2225. You heard it hear first!
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 12:58:07 PM
Are regular audience members immune to having opinions on these things?
No, but they're not likely to have the knee-jerk hatred online fans do to leaked details based on a narrow preconception of how a franchise must operate to be legitimate. Unlike oh, let's say you, they've yet to make up their mind.
QuoteTrailers only get you through the front door. After opening weekend, it's basically all word of mouth.
Shane Black tends to review well. Also important:
The Predator is not (IMO) a bad script, it's just not made-to-fan-order. Outside audiences will go and I personally expect they'll like it. I actually think many fans will too.
But if you want to critique it sight unseen, feel free. There's always plenty of angry folks on the Internet doing that with plenty of geek movies everyday. Everything is always destined to be the worst ever until it isn't. It's frankly gotten pretty rote.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 12:58:07 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
I dunno, maybe the sign above the door on the forum?
That's not what I meant at all. I'm asking why you think it's only down to nerd rage. Are regular audience members immune to having opinions on these things?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2017, 12:46:28 PM
I think fans in general think way too complicated when it comes to marketing. You know how it will go? They show some violence, some guns and a cool as shit looking Predator= Fans gonna be there by default.
Trailers only get you through the front door. After opening weekend, it's basically all word of mouth. That's why even the shittiest movies can have great openings. Hell, look at Life. It's everything you could want from a monster on a spaceship film, but it's tanking.
The problem is this: I love monsters on a spaceship movies... and i'm
not interested in this movie! Why? Because it's everything i love... and everything i've seen a gazillion times in other movies. What's the point? There is basically nothing new, nothing that really motivates me to go to the movies for this. People are getting sick of the same old same old, and that is why it's bombing, good or not.
I think The Predator changing it's course a little and broadening ideas will only do good for the franchise.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2017, 12:57:04 PM
QuoteShane Black:
Me too... I spoke with him, I think it was that he didn't have enough to do. Enough presence in the film.
https://twitter.com/BonafideBlack/status/849956540568150017
That's a shame. Dutch's role is to set up his future involvement in other films and everyone would leave the theater cheering Arnold. I don't know how much longer the shoot has but I hope he reconsiders.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2017, 01:09:17 PM
Because it's everything i love... and everything i've seen a gazillion times in other movies. What's the point? There is basically nothing new, nothing that really motivates me to go to the movies for this.
Exactly. Assuming another jungle hunt/whatever movie with the Predator played 100% straight will do major box office is a mistake.
Predators played it pretty straight and nobody bothers with it, and it's not even really bad IMO. Just mediocre.
The significant role part is not what concerns me, this quote does:
""They asked me, and I read it, and I didn't like it —"
"So I'm not going to do that, no. Except if there's a chance that they rewrite it,"
I know Mr. Schwarzenegger loves this franchise but he has been in some movies that were questionable. Looks like he is going for better roles now...good for him. He is a great actor, IMO.
I really wanted this to be good... If even Dutch didn't want in... Then there's something wrong there. >:(
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 01:07:35 PM
Unlike oh, let's say you, they've yet to make up their mind.
You can leave the personal jibes at the door. I haven't written off or made up my mind about anything yet.
QuoteOutside audiences will go and I personally expect they'll like it. I actually think many fans will too.
Here's hoping.
QuoteBut if you want to critique it sight unseen, feel free. There's always plenty of angry folks on the Internet doing that with plenty of geek movies everyday. Everything is always destined to be the worst ever until it isn't. It's frankly gotten pretty rote.
If only that were what I've been saying.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2017, 01:09:17 PM
The problem is this: I love monsters on a spaceship movies... and i'm not interested in this movie! Why? Because it's everything i love... and everything i've seen a gazillion times in other movies. What's the point? There is basically nothing new, nothing that really motivates me to go to the movies for this.
Right, and people had to wait until word of mouth to realise that for the star studded cast and intriguing trailers, it's not what they want. That's actually my point -- the word of mouth killed it very, very quickly.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
I haven't written off or made up my mind about anything yet.
I can tell.
QuoteIf only that were what I've been saying.
Whatever else you're attempting to say, you might wanna rethink it. Not sticking the landing beyond 'I do not like this movie and it's gonna fail!' Again, I can find 30 people to do that in an hour.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 06, 2017, 01:12:32 PM
I really wanted this to be good... If even Dutch didn't want in... Then there's something wrong there. >:(
He's an actor, Pvt Himmel. They're usually like "this is good, but can there be more of me?" *lol* To be fair to Arnie, he says (paraphrasing) that he wants a bigger role.
I think that many people associate "Predator" with "Arnold" - hence he may have thought "these guys need me and I have one line at the end to open up to possible new movies that might get made. f**k you, assholes. I'll be back. After I get to the chopper."
It's a real shame, whether we believe that this was a door opener to bigger things or not, it would have been sweet to have the "Arnie as Advisor" cameo even as one off. Even for the non-rabid fans out there. Or put another way, I can't think that I've ever heard anyone say "I hate Schwartzenegger!" I mean - everyone loves a bit of Arnie, right? His presence would only have helped the movie, I reckon.
He's got a few lines, but it's a big deal. If Arnold wanted to co-star that's his prerogative, as you say he's an actor first and it's about their prominence. I personally think it's the least he could do given the role that opens up for Dutch in later films, but whatever. He may yet come around, I would not be shocked.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 01:19:14 PM
Whatever else you're attempting to say, you might wanna rethink it. Not sticking the landing beyond 'I do not like this movie and it's gonna fail!' Again, I can find 30 people to do that in an hour.
I haven't seen the movie, I can't comment. Nor have I.
I haven't even said "it
will bomb", just, good gosh, floated the possibility that films are a volatile and often unpredictable market and that creative decisions can go either way. How unreasonable of me.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 01:28:10 PM
I haven't even said "it will bomb", just, good gosh, floated the possibility that films are a volatile and often unpredictable market and that creative decisions can go either way. How unreasonable of me.
Jaded stops being a pose and starts being a cliche when you wear it a lot.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2017, 01:09:17 PM
The problem is this: I love monsters on a spaceship movies... and i'm not interested in this movie! Why? Because it's everything i love... and everything i've seen a gazillion times in other movies. What's the point? There is basically nothing new, nothing that really motivates me to go to the movies for this.
Right, and people had to wait until word of mouth to realise that for the star studded cast and intriguing trailers, it's not what they want. That's actually my point -- the word of mouth killed it very, very quickly.
That is not the case with me though, i never read reviews or heard someone talking about the movie, i saw the trailer - and yawned.
Also, the movie didn't do very good on opening weekend, so it's not like box-office suddenly broke in
after word of mouth reached the street, people weren't interested in this from the get go, and that is attributable to the trailers... which showed you.. well... nothing new, creative or inventive.
The Predator, hopefully, will give people something they havent seen before in this kind of movie or franchise... and that's the whole point, make it fresh and interesting. Give me something to get my ass up and spend 50 bucks on a saturday evening to go check this out and not just something i see when i pop in the other movies.
Hell, i want to see the kid fly a Predator spaceship and run around with Predator tech, causing havoc on Halloween, this could turn out to be awesome... or awful... but i pay for a ticket to go see it, good or bad, and that's the point, they at least have my attention... something Life couldn't achieve.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 01:31:21 PM
Jaded stops being a pose and starts being a cliche when you wear it a lot.
Is there a reason you've abandoned the point entirely to make personal attacks at me ???
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2017, 01:36:20 PM
That is not the case with me though, i never read reviews or heard someone talking about the movie, i saw the trailer - and yawned.
And I'm sure there are lots like you, but I know many people who were interested who have been put off by what people are saying. It didn't help that critic reviews also came out close opening day.
And even if
Life is a bad example, there are so, so many films with strong opening weekends and dramatic fall-offs to make the point :P
The film has to be good. If the elements people are unsure about aren't handled well, they'll sink the ship. If they are, it obviously won't be an issue.
Terminator 2 did gangbusters, but if Cameron hadn't nailed John's relationship with Arnie that film would've sunk like a stone.
That was me on Twitter, Shane replied to ;D Personally I became a fan of the movies because of Predator/Kevin Peter Hall himself, not Arnold... He would of been a nice bonus to add but ahh well, rather see these actors in the suits pull off the best Predator we've seen tbh
I thought
Life was a fun weekend movie but mostly unremarkable. I thought the direction, performers and creature design saved it from total mediocrity, but it is quite forgettable. I also don't think it's in any way comparable to the brand of either
Predator or to a considerably lesser extent Shane Black.
Life was a new IP. Those are always hard sells.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 01:38:51 PMIs there a reason you've abandoned the point entirely to make personal attacks at me ???
Oh, I made my point long ago; I just don't think you're entirely as open-minded as you claim. Which is fine, jaded happens all the time with fans. Perfectly common and understandable. We'll see how the release goes.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 01:43:33 PM
Oh, I made my point long ago; I just don't think you're entirely as open-minded as you claim.
I've yet to write off the movie anywhere, despite your insistence.
Seriously, you can drop the smug, arrogant act. It's dime a dozen on the Internet and doesn't really carry any weight. It just makes you look like a dick with nothing better to do than try to act better than strangers on the Internet. Grow up.
I've got a great idea: We can both drop it together. Enjoy The Predator!
Let's take a step back here, gentleman. I think there's been some confusion over who is trying to say what. Let's take a moment and re-read what is being said. There's no need to start attacking each other.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2017, 01:38:51 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 06, 2017, 01:31:21 PM
Jaded stops being a pose and starts being a cliche when you wear it a lot.
Is there a reason you've abandoned the point entirely to make personal attacks at me ???
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2017, 01:36:20 PM
That is not the case with me though, i never read reviews or heard someone talking about the movie, i saw the trailer - and yawned.
The film has to be good. If the elements people are unsure about aren't handled well, they'll sink the ship. If they are, it obviously won't be an issue. Terminator 2 did gangbusters, but if Cameron hadn't nailed John's relationship with Arnie that film would've sunk like a stone.
I get your point, but... bad movies make lots of money too, it's not always about quality. People tell you the new Transformer movie is still as shit as the others, and they still make a billion.
I think T2 would have still made some amazing buck, because it was a totally different movie than the first and broke new ground. Not everyone liked the good guy Terminator story... but there was more to it, amazing never seen before special effects, great action, a budget, Stan Winston, a great director and a huge movie star at the peak of his prime.
The point is: Not every movie is perfect, and not every single idea is going to be loved by every single movie goer out there, it's simply impossible to attract to everybody... but if you hit 9 times and miss 1 you're still having a hit, and i think people expect, and more importantly, accept and welcome the fact they take Predator into a little different direction than the rest of the movies.
Rodriguez bragged about how his movie is going to be the Aliens of the Predator franchise, and everybody cheered... only that it never did anything like Aliens, namely expanding the franchise and break new gound.
They really seem to make this now though.
I still don't see a point . What 'Kid flies predator ship' adds to the movie about intergalactic alien headhunter?
Oh well then. Still watch it.
To be honest it really makes no difference it just means his part would have small and his ego just wouldn't accept that adding the fact he turned down Predator 2 and that was a great film and he made Terminator Gensys which wasn't
Yeah that's the reason. He turned down The Predator because he turned down Predator 2.
Quote from: 343 on Apr 06, 2017, 12:12:34 PM
The leaked script....it is fake. Dekker said it himself. So spiders predators, giant predators etc.? Is it true or not?
Wrong.its legit.
QuoteDutch appeared at the very end of the script for a very short cameo with a few lines that sets up a sequel.
That's what Rodriguez did for his alternate ending to Predators. Sounds like a waste of time if Arnie wanted to have a more substansial role.
I have an industry source through a mutual friend who apparently read a draft of the script. No idea how recent that version was, but I was informed of a cameo written specifically for Dutch.
If it was anything like what was described to me, I'm honestly not surprised he turned it down.
"Now it's war".
wasnt that his stupid line?
I bet 3 fiddy that they'll give it to some other character.
Anyone taking bets on Adam Baldwin picking up this role and running with it?
His salary fits nicely with the casting so far.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 06, 2017, 03:34:04 PM
Yeah that's the reason. He turned down The Predator because he turned down Predator 2.
nothing to do with terminator 2 ?
Oh, wells thats a shame, better luck next time
I like Arnold but he really isn't in a position to call any shots regarding a script. He hasn't been back to full force in marketability nor quality of product since his return.
Triple H would be perfect with Shawn michaels his buddy
doesn't bother me, he's been acting like a real douche...
This is good news IMO. He honestly hasn't been that great since he was Governor.
Quote from: Richman678 on Apr 06, 2017, 06:56:19 PMHe honestly hasn't been that great since he was Governor.
I think that's more to do with the films than him. I thought he was really good in
Escape Plan.
I don't mean to be a negative poster here, but I think people are looking at this new Predator movie with blinders on. Just because Shane Black is directing doesn't guarantee it'll be a great movie. Same goes with Ridley Scott for the Alien movies. And the cast rso far really looks like a bunch of B list actors thrown together in the same vein as Predators. And I know some people will debate them being B listers. I'm even a fan of Thomas Jane, but he's not exactly an A lister, especially these days. And A listers also don't guarantee a movie's success. But it feels like this new Predator movie is going to have the same fate as Predators so far with a mediocre cast and not much of a draw for new audience members to want to see this movie. Lets be honest, part of the appeal of the original Predator was to see Ahnuld and maybe Carl Weathers and Jesse Venture and a bunch of muscle bound military guys with guns fighting a stalking alien. While I like Danny Glover, he wasn't exactly a draw to see Predator 2. And unless you're a Predator fan in general, most people already forgot about Predators from a few years back.
Some people argue Arnold is washed up at this stage of his career, and that may be true. But I think he passed on this opportunity because he can tell it's not going to have legs and do well. I hope I'm wrong, but there hasn't been much news about this movie that is making me look forward to it as a Predator fan.
I'm even a little leary about Alien Covenant and I'm even a bigger Alien franchise fan. Just saying, I think a lot of people are being too optimistic about both movies coming out. But to each his or her own.Ultimately, I'm just happy they're still making movies for both franchises.
Cool. I'll sit back, relax and trust in Shane and Ridley.
"BishopShouldGo Posted 29 minutes ago
Cool. I'll sit back, relax and trust in Shane and Ridley."
That's kind of my point. Just because it's them directing, doesn't automatically guarantee it'll be a quality movie or good story. Creativity and perfection tend to decrease with age. I'm not even convinced James Cameron could save the Terminator franchise or would do a good job directing a new one if he ever did. Or maybe they all still got it and some board members are imposing their creative control on the directors. I'm just saying, I'm not too optimistic about Covenant and The Predator being great movies. I can see them being decent at best based on what I've seen. I hope I'm wrong though.
well, if we needed anymore proof that this movie is gonna suck, i still have zero interest with Shane at the helm
Quote from: D88M on Apr 06, 2017, 08:52:11 PM
well, if we needed anymore proof that this movie is gonna suck, i still have zero interest with Shane at the helm
You think Arnold declined the offer because of the quality of the script? If so, how do you explain Terminator 3 and Genisys? And a bunch of other shitty movies he was in?
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Apr 06, 2017, 08:37:46 PM
Just because it's them directing, doesn't automatically guarantee it'll be a quality movie or good story.
No movie is ever guaranteed to be good. I think everyone knows that. I acknowledge it and I'm still optimistic.
QuoteCreativity and perfection tend to decrease with age.
You're saying more experience hinders creativity and "perfection"?
QuoteI'm not even convinced James Cameron could save the Terminator franchise or would do a good job directing a new one if he ever did. Or maybe they all still got it and some board members are imposing their creative control on the directors.
Agreed, I actually never thought he could save it since it's been a disaster since 2003. No one can save that mess of a franchise.
Quote from: overthere on Apr 06, 2017, 09:47:12 PM
Quote from: D88M on Apr 06, 2017, 08:52:11 PM
well, if we needed anymore proof that this movie is gonna suck, i still have zero interest with Shane at the helm
You think Arnold declined the offer because of the quality of the script? If so, how do you explain Terminator 3 and Genisys? And a bunch of other shitty movies he was in?
The huge paychecks.
I can't help the feeling this leaked synopsis sounds like disaster. War movie out of Predator? Really?
that means that there is hope for a Predators 2 appearance!
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Apr 06, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
Lets be honest, part of the appeal of the original Predator was to see Ahnuld and maybe Carl Weathers and Jesse Venture and a bunch of muscle bound military guys with guns fighting a stalking alien.
Sure, it's a fantastic movie with a great cast. It's also not 1987 anymore. That being said, there are plenty of musclebound military guys in this movie and the cast is IMO pretty solid - Trevante Rhodes just starred in last year's Best Picture, Boyd Holbrook is on the come-up, Keegan-Michael Key is hilarious, I quite like Olivia Munn's other work and even Jacob Tremblay has had a brush with the Oscars.
It may not be just a hulking squad of dudes, but life moves on.
Quote from: D88M on Apr 06, 2017, 08:52:11 PM
well, if we needed anymore proof that this movie is gonna suck, i still have zero interest with Shane at the helm
Then don't watch it. You haven't read the script. The movie isn't finished filming. But yea.....lets just go as negative as possible and deem it garbage before you see it. Arnold was just on the celebrity apprentence for gods sake so it's not like his standards are high. He clearly just wanted a bigger role.....and who knows maybe he's just lying and is actually in it.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 07, 2017, 12:59:18 AM
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Apr 06, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
Lets be honest, part of the appeal of the original Predator was to see Ahnuld and maybe Carl Weathers and Jesse Venture and a bunch of muscle bound military guys with guns fighting a stalking alien.
Sure, it's a fantastic movie with a great cast. It's also not 1987 anymore. That being said, there are plenty of musclebound military guys in this movie and the cast is IMO pretty solid - Trevante Rhodes just starred in last year's Best Picture, Boyd Holbrook is on the come-up, Keegan-Michael Key is hilarious, I quite like Olivia Munn's other work and even Jacob Tremblay has had a brush with the Oscars.
It may not be just a hulking squad of dudes, but life moves on.
I'm quite happy with the cast myself and I'm over the fact that everybody wants some musclebound second coming of Arnold, we've already had that
I'm looking for this predator movie to have some old-school mixed with new school with something unexpected
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 07, 2017, 12:59:18 AM
Quote from: Xeno_from_Chino on Apr 06, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
Lets be honest, part of the appeal of the original Predator was to see Ahnuld and maybe Carl Weathers and Jesse Venture and a bunch of muscle bound military guys with guns fighting a stalking alien.
Sure, it's a fantastic movie with a great cast. It's also not 1987 anymore. That being said, there are plenty of musclebound military guys in this movie and the cast is IMO pretty solid - Trevante Rhodes just starred in last year's Best Picture, Boyd Holbrook is on the come-up, Keegan-Michael Key is hilarious, I quite like Olivia Munn's other work and even Jacob Tremblay has had a brush with the Oscars.
It may not be just a hulking squad of dudes, but life moves on.
Quite honestly I think I'll prefer this movie to the original. Spielberg's early** sensibilities are my favorite and fusing them with Predator is colossally appealing to me.
Could be Black just doing some PR saving but I think Arnold was just speaking of the screen time.
https://twitter.com/BonafideBlack/status/849956540568150017
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 07, 2017, 01:16:47 AM
Could be Black just doing some PR saving but I think Arnold was just speaking of the screen time.
https://twitter.com/BonafideBlack/status/849956540568150017
At least he's responded to me a few times on Twitter, I agree with the screen time idea now after I re-read Arnold's comments I posted
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No it's just damage control, they know the script is out and they know the majority of fans hate it, now Arnold said he didn't like it too.
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 07, 2017, 01:18:45 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 07, 2017, 01:16:47 AM
Could be Black just doing some PR saving but I think Arnold was just speaking of the screen time.
https://twitter.com/BonafideBlack/status/849956540568150017
At least he's responded to me a few times on Twitter, I agree with the screen time idea now after I re-read Arnold's comments I posted
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It's true, Arnold doesn't like taking the backseat and insists on being front and center. He doesn't get what he wants, it's alright, he's had his heyday.
Anrold's major star power died out after the mid 90's. After 1997, he can't draw in the same level of people for a major blockbuster. Not even the last Terminator movie help since that movie did poorly too.
Enough presence in the film, well use have an imagination and I don't know 30 years to work it out, Arnold wasn't essential for the predator films to continue, but is it that hard to get the star of the first film to co-star in one of the sequels. $250,000 more and Arnold would have done predator 2, predator sells more digital/Blu-ray/dvd's then any other instalment, I say F fox im breaking all my movies and I ain't supporting any of your films, how could you not write a script that had Arnold co-starring is beyond most predator fans imagination.
I'm actually glad he's not in it. Would be just another gratuitous cameo. We already had that in Predators when Isabelle gave that exposition referencing the 1987 movie. I want this movie to be its own thing, as much as possible.
Get Adam Baldwin back. He perfected his don't give a f*ck scowl on Chuck, it's time for him to see some more Predators.
I'd actually really like to see him back as Garber.
Arnold has been in mostly $hitty movies since his comeback, he doesn't need another one. Glad he refused to appear.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 07, 2017, 01:15:59 AM
Quite honestly I think I'll prefer this movie to the original. Spielberg's wary sensibilities are my favorite and fusing them with Predator is colossally appealing to me.
I get that I'm a jaded Internet geek who nerd rages at the drop of a hat (apparently), but surely this is the extreme on the opposite end?
Remember AvPR, BishopShouldGo.
Remember what you were saying before it was released.
Remembeeeer...
Yes, this is definitely that movie. The correlation of the talent involved is identical.
Quote from: Lost on Apr 07, 2017, 04:36:07 AM
how could you not write a script that had Arnold co-starring is beyond most predator fans imagination.
Exactly.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 07, 2017, 07:55:14 AM
I'd actually really like to see him back as Garber.
Totally agree.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 07, 2017, 11:26:40 AM
Yes, this is definitely that movie. The correlation of the talent involved is identical.
It doesn't matter when it comes to BishopShouldGo. Every new film is going to be the greatest film in the franchise. He gets super, super pumped. Then it comes out.
The comment is specific to one user and his historical pre-release hypetrain. I am not attacking the film.
As condescending as that sounds to the other poster, we don't all fit that alleged characterization. I'm a pragmatist. I just happen to have read the script.
Cool, is this the "leaked" one that some are saying is real and some aren't or another one. You could share it, then people who don't mind spoilers can judge for themselves.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2017, 12:42:59 PM
It doesn't matter when it comes to BishopShouldGo. Every new film is going to be the greatest film in the franchise.
Maybe, but I'm a bit like that myself - I really want to love movies and be entertained and... yes... perhaps overlook some cracks. I remember a mate of mine who is a huge Aliens fan (I'm surprised he's not a member here) and he was genuinely furious about Prometheus. Now he's already saying that A:C is going to be shit, meh to the trailers, not impressed and generally scathing.
That's a weird thing in fandom - it's like we hate on the properties we purport to love. I'm no different - I'm very, very, very against an Escape from New York reboot/remake or whatever. I have nothing on which to base that other than it won't be Russell/Carpenter (I WISH they'd do an "Unforgiven" - I even wrote to Carpenter about that *lol*).
But more often than not I get really excited too and more often than not, I come away pleased.
Then again, I'm a fan of Resident Evil, Underworld and own a bunch of Uwe Boll movies which I genuinely like (I really do, I'm not making that up).
Quote from: Lost on Apr 07, 2017, 04:36:07 AM
how could you not write a script that had Arnold co-starring is beyond most predator fans imagination.
They undoubtedly could write a script like that but didn't due to their better judgment. Was there ever a poll that said most fans wanted Arnold co-starring?
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 07, 2017, 12:55:56 PM
As condescending as that sounds to the other poster, we don't all fit that alleged characterization.
I never said anyone else did. ???
Do you go out of your way to be personally offended by my posts or something ... ? :-\
Quote from: Russ on Apr 07, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
Maybe, but I'm a bit like that myself - I really want to love movies and be entertained and... yes... perhaps overlook some cracks. I remember a mate of mine who is a huge Aliens fan (I'm surprised he's not a member here) and he was genuinely furious about Prometheus. Now he's already saying that A:C is going to be shit, meh to the trailers, not impressed and generally scathing.
Nah, I get it. A lot of the time it falls one one extreme or another. People get passionate. And hell, even when people try to just wait and see, take information as it comes, and not get too excited one way or another, they're still labelled as nerd raging :P
QuoteThen again, I'm a fan of Resident Evil,
The first one is one of my any-time movies. Switch brain off, watch, enjoy.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2017, 01:58:31 PM
QuoteThe first one is one of my any-time movies. Switch brain off, watch, enjoy.
I like all of them (the third one is my favourite I think). Funny enough, those movies are the targets of nerd rage!
Just wait till they make EFNY. If that's not good, I will have a proper tantrum.
Still, back on topic - I think its a real shame that Arnie backed away from this - it would have been a great moment to see him again, but as I said earlier: "This is great, but can it have more me." *lol*
It's understandable he'd turn down a bit part in a movie for a role that may or may not develop in the future. I get that they'd be setting him up for more roles, but even the film doing well is no guarantee that the story would develop how the script suggests. Not entirely sure Noomi Rapace thought she'd be relegated to a bit part in the Prometheus sequel, and Sanaa Lathan said she was contracted for more AvP films in the commentary. Both films did well (Yes, AvP was a financially successful film!) and both developed veeeerry differently to expectations.
Arnie's old. He's achieved everything he's set out to. He really doesn't need to prove himself any more and if he feels the role wasn't worth his time, more power to 'im.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2017, 02:15:27 PM
It's understandable he'd turn down a bit part in a movie for a role that may or may not develop in the future. I get that they'd be setting him up for more roles, but even the film doing well is no guarantee that the story would develop how the script suggests. Not entirely sure Noomi Rapace thought she'd be relegated to a bit part in the Prometheus sequel, and Sanaa Lathan said she was contracted for more AvP films in the commentary. Both films did well (Yes, AvP was a financially successful film!) and both developed veeeerry differently to expectations.
Arnie's old. He's achieved everything he's set out to. He really doesn't need to prove himself any more and if he feels the role wasn't worth his time, more power to 'im.
That's true, he is and he has - I'm just being fan selfish.
I love that AvP commentary - you can almost hear Paul's regret. As I've said, if I could ask him about AvP and get an honest answer I really would.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2017, 11:16:23 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 07, 2017, 01:15:59 AM
Quite honestly I think I'll prefer this movie to the original. Spielberg's wary sensibilities are my favorite and fusing them with Predator is colossally appealing to me.
I get that I'm a jaded Internet geek who nerd rages at the drop of a hat (apparently), but surely this is the extreme on the opposite end?
Remember AvPR, BishopShouldGo. Remember what you were saying before it was released. Remembeeeer...
This is different. I was a 15 year old boy then. I'm now a 25 year old man in tune with my sensibilities, living in a time where master filmmakers are the ship captains of these franchises.
It's a beautiful thing and an amazing time to be a fan. We are bearing witness, for the first time for both franchises, directors at their career apexes directing entries. Of course we had that with Prometheus but that wasn't a true blue Alien film.
Quote from: Russ on Apr 07, 2017, 02:39:41 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2017, 02:15:27 PM
It's understandable he'd turn down a bit part in a movie for a role that may or may not develop in the future. I get that they'd be setting him up for more roles, but even the film doing well is no guarantee that the story would develop how the script suggests. Not entirely sure Noomi Rapace thought she'd be relegated to a bit part in the Prometheus sequel, and Sanaa Lathan said she was contracted for more AvP films in the commentary. Both films did well (Yes, AvP was a financially successful film!) and both developed veeeerry differently to expectations.
Arnie's old. He's achieved everything he's set out to. He really doesn't need to prove himself any more and if he feels the role wasn't worth his time, more power to 'im.
That's true, he is and he has - I'm just being fan selfish.
I love that AvP commentary - you can almost hear Paul's regret. As I've said, if I could ask him about AvP and get an honest answer I really would.
Yeah I want my Arnie too but he is a savvy businessman. He knew that people would want him in an integral role and not a cheap cereal box surprise.
And all Paul cared about was guns and slime. Almost quite literally.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 07, 2017, 07:55:14 AM
I'd actually really like to see him back as Garber.
I'd love that too! P2 ending promised me this, still waiting.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2017, 11:16:23 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 07, 2017, 01:15:59 AM
Quite honestly I think I'll prefer this movie to the original. Spielberg's wary sensibilities are my favorite and fusing them with Predator is colossally appealing to me.
I get that I'm a jaded Internet geek who nerd rages at the drop of a hat (apparently), but surely this is the extreme on the opposite end?
Remember AvPR, BishopShouldGo. Remember what you were saying before it was released. Remembeeeer...
Don't feed the troll Sil. You'll make it come back for more attention.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 07, 2017, 11:26:40 AM
Yes, this is definitely that movie. The correlation of the talent involved is identical.
Have you seen the movie Speedy? Talents involved or not, you're as good as your last film.
Dude must have had a choppa to get to! ;D
Come on Arnold stick around.
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I'd love that too! P2 ending promised me this, still waiting.
Ending of P2 is epic as f*ck , and to the credits.
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 06, 2017, 05:32:10 PM
I like Arnold but he really isn't in a position to call any shots regarding a script.
But he
is in a position to agree to appearing in it. Nobody said he made demands on changing the script, just that he didn't think much of it.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2017, 07:03:11 PM
I think that's more to do with the films than him. I thought he was really good in Escape Plan.
And '
Maggie' was quite possibly his single best dramatic performance yet. The film dragged, but he was great.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Apr 07, 2017, 05:37:57 AM
Get Adam Baldwin back. He perfected his don't give a f*ck scowl on Chuck, it's time for him to see some more Predators.
They tried to get him to cameo as that character in '
Requiem' and he told them to f**k off in no uncertain terms, according to the directors.
Considering how superficial and generic that character was, can't say I blame him.
I really wanted him to reprise his role as Dutch Schaefer.
He did a cameo in The Expendables and then had a larger part in the sequels.The same could work for The Predator.
Mark Hamil also did The Force Awakens with no dialoge at all! After 32 years he had a 10 second appeaance and he did it.Than he had The Last Jedi.
So i cant understand why Arnold complaining to appear as a cliffhanger in the movie which could lead to the sequel for a bigger part for him.Shane Black also could make a deal and write a longer scene for him.They talked about a year ago so there was time to rewrite it.
I never wanted to read the leaked script but i always imagined that Dutch or Harrigan and Garber could appear in the last 30 minutes of the movie but if Dutch has just one memorable scene that just fine.
Now there's a month is left from shooting so maybe Black reconsider Arnold's part because of the reactions and write his scene a bit reasonable for him to appear in it.If he's got a longer line they could still film it within a day.Thats only depends if Black really want him to be In it.Holdbrook also said he dont think we will se Arnold but he wasnt sure about it.And Arnold also offered if they rewrite it he would reconsider it to appear.I hope that will happen.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 07, 2017, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 06, 2017, 05:32:10 PM
I like Arnold but he really isn't in a position to call any shots regarding a script.
But he is in a position to agree to appearing in it. Nobody said he made demands on changing the script, just that he didn't think much of it.
By saying "I'm not going to do that, no. Except if there's a chance that they
rewrite it, or make it a more significant role," he is stating his terms in appearing in the film.
He's not demanding, he's just stating what it would've taken to get him in board.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 05, 2017, 11:19:51 PM
Shane, you should have made his role more significant... :-\
I WANT DUTCH
You do realize that this is old Dutch and not Young kick ass Dutch, right?
I feel for you Predator fans, I really do. This is sinking harder than when we learned the last Alien Prequel was retitled Prometheus.
Quote from: Master on Apr 07, 2017, 03:35:25 PM
Have you seen the movie Speedy? Talents involved or not, you're as good as your last film.
Most of Shane Black's last films are pretty good.
Arnold's doing what most stars do - ask for a role to be made bigger so they can star in the movie. It's standard procedure and I get it, but that doesn't mean the film has to accommodate that request.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 07, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Arnold's doing what most stars do - ask for a role to be made bigger so they can star in the movie. It's standard procedure and I get it, but that doesn't mean the film has to accommodate that request.
Exactly, if he was doing better as of late with his star power and recent films, maybe he'd be in a position to where they'd accommodate his terms, but I don't see that being the case.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 07, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Arnold's doing what most stars do - ask for a role to be made bigger so they can star in the movie. It's standard procedure and I get it, but that doesn't mean the film has to accommodate that request.
Exactly, if he was doing better as of late with his star power and recent films, maybe he'd be in a position to where they'd accommodate his terms, but I don't see that being the case.
I wouldn't have given him the lead at 69-70 yrs old either and he's my favorite actor because of Predator
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Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 07, 2017, 09:54:06 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 07, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Arnold's doing what most stars do - ask for a role to be made bigger so they can star in the movie. It's standard procedure and I get it, but that doesn't mean the film has to accommodate that request.
Exactly, if he was doing better as of late with his star power and recent films, maybe he'd be in a position to where they'd accommodate his terms, but I don't see that being the case.
lol I don't think Arnold has a burning desire to be in The Predator, to the point where he'll be super proactive in getting at least a strong supporting role. Nor does Shane have a burning desire to have him star. If this was 2003 Arnold, the climate might be very different. Arnold doesn't need it and vice versa.
Slide it across his desk and if he likes it, great. If he doesn't, great. Rewrite it and he'll join, great. No? Great.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 07, 2017, 08:06:42 PM
And 'Maggie' was quite possibly his single best dramatic performance yet. The film dragged, but he was great.
i liked maggie quite a lot.
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Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 07, 2017, 09:54:06 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 07, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Arnold's doing what most stars do - ask for a role to be made bigger so they can star in the movie. It's standard procedure and I get it, but that doesn't mean the film has to accommodate that request.
Exactly, if he was doing better as of late with his star power and recent films, maybe he'd be in a position to where they'd accommodate his terms, but I don't see that being the case.
lol I don't think Arnold has a burning desire to be in The Predator, to the point where he'll be super proactive in getting at least a strong supporting role. Nor does Shane have a burning desire to have him star. If this was 2003 Arnold, the climate might be very different. Arnold doesn't need it and vice versa.
Slide it across his desk and if he likes it, great. If he doesn't, great. Rewrite it and he'll join, great. No? Great.
Yes that's a very good point, both parties are more than likely content either way.
IMHO, if this media bit is to seriously get Arnold into a role and have a whole re-write I'm game even if it delays the movie for another year or so.
Quote from: acrediblesource on Apr 08, 2017, 01:57:03 AM
IMHO, if this media bit is to seriously get Arnold into a role and have a whole re-write I'm game even if it delays the movie for another year or so.
They already started filming I believe. We don't need this to turn into Jurassic Park 3 where they're literally writing the script around action set pieces.
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Quote from: acrediblesource on Apr 08, 2017, 01:57:03 AM
IMHO, if this media bit is to seriously get Arnold into a role and have a whole re-write I'm game even if it delays the movie for another year or so.
They already started filming I believe. We don't need this to turn into Jurassic Park 3 where they're literally writing the script around action set pieces.
They've been filming since February 20th
Quote from: Dan on Apr 07, 2017, 08:28:33 PM
So i cant understand why Arnold complaining to appear as a cliffhanger in the movie which could lead to the sequel for a bigger part for him.
The version of it I was told about wouldn't have led to him appearing in a sequel. Quite the opposite.
? He was gonna die?
???
I hope the film does well and that the meat of the film is better than its' 90's live action Disney adventure bones. Maybe then we'll get Dutch for Predator 5.
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Quote from: Dan on Apr 07, 2017, 08:28:33 PM
So i cant understand why Arnold complaining to appear as a cliffhanger in the movie which could lead to the sequel for a bigger part for him.
The version of it I was told about wouldn't have led to him appearing in a sequel. Quite the opposite.
We have seen very different versions. Arnold's dialogue might as well be 'come with me if you want to live'. (It's not for the record, just in that vein.)
I know of no version of the script in which Dutch dies. That said I have only seen one draft.
you know the movie will suck when even Arnold turns it down
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 08, 2017, 11:30:43 PM
? He was gonna die?
???
Don't literally see him die, but how the scene ends wouldn't have left the viewer in much doubt that's what occurs. It wouldn't have made any difference to the main story.
Again, I don't know what draft you read but there's nothing like that in mine.
Without spoilers.If Black rewrite Dutch's part and he's obviously alive would that change the story or make a change to the other characters or his scene is in the very end of the film?
Well I'm happy that he won't be in it because I don't like fan service but the possibility that the film is going to sequel bait is irritating.
I can't speak for anyone else, but in the version I've seen Dutch appears at the very end, has a few lines and sets up a sequel. There is no exit or death or anything like that.
Does this mean the script is worse than Terminator Genisys? Oh my.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 10, 2017, 02:57:20 AM
Does this mean the script is worse than Terminator Genisys?
Will Smith turned down Django Unchained. Does that mean Django Unchained is worse than After Earth?
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 10, 2017, 02:57:20 AM
Does this mean the script is worse than Terminator Genisys?
Will Smith turned down Django Unchained. Does that mean Django Unchained is worse than After Earth?
Glad to hear that he turned it down. I don't know why Quentin would offer him that role in the first place.
Just stupid.
Part of the Pred franchise issue has been continuity. Now it's nothing more then ANOTHER reboot.
Arnold should have been at least a 50/50 role with a new guy to transition the series. But oh well. Arnold was just as important to Predator as the choice to scrap the bug suit and bring in a legit creature. No big deal tho, let's just pretend that didn't happen.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 10, 2017, 02:57:20 AM
Does this mean the script is worse than Terminator Genisys? Oh my.
That's not how life works.
Quote from: Original Pred on Apr 10, 2017, 04:06:52 PM
Just stupid.
Part of the Pred franchise issue has been continuity. Now it's nothing more then ANOTHER reboot.
Arnold should have been at least a 50/50 role with a new guy to transition the series. But oh well. Arnold was just as important to Predator as the choice to scrap the bug suit and bring in a legit creature. No big deal tho, let's just pretend that didn't happen.
I agree.
Quote from: Original Pred on Apr 10, 2017, 04:06:52 PMPart of the Pred franchise issue has been continuity.
Of the issues the existing
Predator sequels have, characters not returning really isn't one of them. Putting Arnie in
Predator 2 or
Predators wouldn't make them fundamentally better movies.
Quote from: Original Pred on Apr 10, 2017, 04:06:52 PMNow it's nothing more then ANOTHER reboot.
Apart from the fact it isn't a reboot in any way, shape or form...
Quote from: Original Pred on Apr 10, 2017, 04:06:52 PMArnold should have been at least a 50/50 role with a new guy to transition the series.
Arnie's just too old to be fighting Predators any more. I'm actually quite happy that he's not in it, because I think there was more chance of any role featuring pensioner-Dutch being corny than not.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 10, 2017, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: Original Pred on Apr 10, 2017, 04:06:52 PMPart of the Pred franchise issue has been continuity.
Of the issues the existing Predator sequels have, characters not returning really isn't one of them. Putting Arnie in Predator 2 or Predators wouldn't make them fundamentally better movies.
Quote from: Original Pred on Apr 10, 2017, 04:06:52 PMNow it's nothing more then ANOTHER reboot.
Apart from the fact it isn't a reboot in any way, shape or form...
Quote from: Original Pred on Apr 10, 2017, 04:06:52 PMArnold should have been at least a 50/50 role with a new guy to transition the series.
Arnie's just too old to be fighting Predators any more. I'm actually quite happy that he's not in it, because I think there was more chance of any role featuring pensioner-Dutch being corny than not.
I agree, you summed up my opinions more eloquently.
No he is not too old to be fighting predators! Who says he'd be fighting one anyway. It's not like he'd be making log traps and fighting in hand to hand combat.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 10, 2017, 06:31:10 PMNo he is not too old to be fighting predators!
Yes, he really is. I've said it before and I'll say it again - one beat him to within an inch of his life back when he was a young man in his physical prime. Now he's almost 70.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 10, 2017, 06:31:10 PMWho says he'd be fighting one anyway.
No one, it just seems to me like plenty of people who probably haven't really thought it through want him back for exactly that. Personally, I think the very idea is stupid, for precisely the reason I just stated.
He's not the only one who survived a Predator encounter either if experience is what you're looking for.
Mike Harrigan could just as easily return for an adviser role due to his experiences. There could be more characters to fill the position that was meant for Arnie.
Quote from: Original Pred on Apr 10, 2017, 04:06:52 PM
Part of the Pred franchise issue has been continuity. Now it's nothing more then ANOTHER reboot.
Yes, just like Predator 2.
Dutch's has a lot of heart though. That goes a long way against a Predator. ;D
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 10, 2017, 06:31:10 PMNo he is not too old to be fighting predators!
Yes, he really is. I've said it before and I'll say it again - one beat him to within an inch of his life back when he was a young man in his physical prime. Now he's almost 70.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 10, 2017, 06:31:10 PMWho says he'd be fighting one anyway.
No one, it just seems to me like plenty of people who probably haven't really thought it through want him back for exactly that. Personally, I think the very idea is stupid, for precisely the reason I just stated.
I wouldn't ask him to do a hand to hand combat scene being 69, but I would have had him in there as someone who told Quinn and his squad what they're up against and maybe a family twist added
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 10, 2017, 06:31:10 PMNo he is not too old to be fighting predators!
Yes, he really is. I've said it before and I'll say it again - one beat him to within an inch of his life back when he was a young man in his physical prime. Now he's almost 70.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 10, 2017, 06:31:10 PMWho says he'd be fighting one anyway.
No one, it just seems to me like plenty of people who probably haven't really thought it through want him back for exactly that. Personally, I think the very idea is stupid, for precisely the reason I just stated.
I wouldn't ask him to do a hand to hand combat scene being 69, but I would have had him in there as someone who told Quinn and his squad what they're up against and maybe a family twist added
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Danny Glover could also be used as he's done quite well against a Predator. Mike Harrigan would have lots of useful information to share.
He'll probably have a bit more information than Dutch as he's already had a doctor analyse a piece of their technology. What could Dutch share that isn't already known?
The mud trick is useless now as they'll just change to a different vision, not every Predator has a cheap Lidl budget mask like Anytime nowadays.
Dutch has already shared what he knows anyway as even an Israeli sniper knew about the now redundant mud trick and them seeing in heat so anyone could fill in Dutch's role easily.
Get Sylvester Stallone to be the one giving people a briefing on his encounter with a Predator. :P (That would actually be a nice nod, didn't Predator start because someone in Hollywood made a joke where an alien would come and fight Rocky in a new film and this inspired the directors of the first film?)
Let's be honest, only 30 people would care if Glover showed up.
I think the reason why Arnold turned this down was because the backers were too cheap to shell out for a leading role. They probably just wanted to waste his time to show up for a five minute cameo than keep him around.
Do you think if they had the money they'd want him for a leading role?
The script is not written for lack of Arnold. His cameo was a deliberate choice.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 10, 2017, 09:18:23 PM
Let's be honest, only 30 people would care if Glover showed up.
Maybe 19.
Not wanting to be part of a film due to a poor script is understandable. The whole wanting a more significant role thing sounds slightly egotistic. Personally, I'd rather they left Dutch's character out of it, unless they showed his picture during a presentation like the Wey-Yu hearing in Aliens did with Ripley's crew. Maybe have Arnold do a short voice piece where you can hear some of Dutch's debriefing. Either way, they need to end with Skynet sending Gary Busey back with his cryogun and missing tooth to stop Topher Grace from joining the cast of Alien 5.
When you have someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger, you better use him as much as you can. The guy is too charismatic to be shoehorned into some bit part. The studio should have given Schwarzenegger a big role over production and leading role. Even if its a bad movie, he knows how to sell it and make it enjoyable and give audiences what they want.
I love him, but Arnold can not open a major studio picture anymore. Not on his own. It's not 1993. That would have been a recipe for fast digital release.
I honesty think if he was co-lead with Boyd or had a significant role, it would help the picture, because Arnold in another Predator is novel. We've been deluged with him in the Terminators but this would be fresh after 30 years of no appearances.
There's always hope he'll be in the next one.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 11, 2017, 07:02:57 AM
I honesty think if he was co-lead with Boyd or had a significant role, it would help the picture, because Arnold in another Predator is novel. We've been deluged with him in the Terminators but this would be fresh after 30 years of no appearances.
There's always hope he'll be in the next one.
Don't expect a sequel after the incoming flop.
I honestly don't see this flopping.
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 11, 2017, 07:02:57 AM
I honesty think if he was co-lead with Boyd or had a significant role, it would help the picture, because Arnold in another Predator is novel. We've been deluged with him in the Terminators but this would be fresh after 30 years of no appearances.
There's always hope he'll be in the next one.
Don't expect a sequel after the incoming flop.
Thanks for the positive input...🤦🏻♂️
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 11, 2017, 07:02:57 AM
I honesty think if he was co-lead with Boyd or had a significant role, it would help the picture, because Arnold in another Predator is novel. We've been deluged with him in the Terminators but this would be fresh after 30 years of no appearances.
There's always hope he'll be in the next one.
Don't expect a sequel after the incoming flop.
Thanks for the positive input...🤦🏻♂️
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He still visits these pages every day. Don't you admire his dedication to making all of us and newcomers know how this movie already sucks??
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Apr 11, 2017, 02:44:14 PM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 11, 2017, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 11, 2017, 07:02:57 AM
I honesty think if he was co-lead with Boyd or had a significant role, it would help the picture, because Arnold in another Predator is novel. We've been deluged with him in the Terminators but this would be fresh after 30 years of no appearances.
There's always hope he'll be in the next one.
Don't expect a sequel after the incoming flop.
Thanks for the positive input...🤦🏻♂️
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He still visits these pages every day. Don't you admire his dedication to making all of us and newcomers know how this movie already sucks??
Yes, I just don't get it if you think it's gonna suck then why hangout on this forum?
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Throw him on ignore. It's as if he ain't even there. 8)
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 11, 2017, 03:11:59 PM
Throw him on ignore. It's as if he ain't even there. 8)
Already did that, but usually just out of fun I'd pray and click to see if it's positive or even neutral in nature lol
Don't even do that. 8)
I think Arnold declining the movie is a sign that it's a good movie. Arnold cannot recognize a good sequel to save his life, except Terminator 2.
It's pretty obvious he declined because of the meager size of his role. He said he'd join if they made the role more significant.
Arnold said he didn't like the script.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 11, 2017, 08:09:17 PM
Arnold said he didn't like the script.
I'm confused about this. Is he referring to the whole script? Or just the parts where he was going to be involved?
He didn't really say clearly, but I took his comments to be directed at the part rather than the script as a whole.
I think it was due to the small part. Said he didn't like the script but he agreed to do that awful meerkat TV ad here in the uk.
He said he didn't like the script then he said the script needs rewrites
and a beefed up role for Dutch if they want to have a chance to get him.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 11, 2017, 08:36:52 PM
He said he didn't like the script then he said the script needs rewrites
and a beefed up role for Dutch if they want to have a chance to get him.
Re-Read it
My all-time favorite film of yours is Predator, and Shane Black is now rebooting the franchise with The Predator. Are you involved with it in any way?
They asked me, and I read it, and I didn't like it — whatever they offered. So I'm not going to do that, no. Except if there's a chance that they rewrite it, or make it a more significant role. But the way it is now, no, I won't do that.
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Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 11, 2017, 08:36:52 PM
He said he didn't like the script then he said the script needs rewrites
and a beefed up role for Dutch if they want to have a chance to get him.
Re-Read it
They asked me, and I read it, and I didn't like it — whatever they offered. So I'm not going to do that, no. Except if there's a chance that they rewrite it, or make it a more significant role. But the way it is now, no, I won't do that.
That's what I 've written, re-read it.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 11, 2017, 04:02:33 PM
It's pretty obvious he declined because of the meager size of his role. He said he'd join if they made the role more significant.
Agreed, it's pretty obvious. He just wants more to do and you can't blame him but at the same time it's all good either way.
He said he didn't like the script.
Arnold's quote:
QuoteThey asked me, and I read it, and I didn't like it — whatever they offered. So I'm not going to do that, no. Except if there's a chance that they rewrite it, or make it a more significant role. But the way it is now, no, I won't do that.
it =
whatever they offered = Arnold's role as written in the current script & offered to him, NOT the script in its entirety
If English is your first language, it comes across pretty clearly.
Yeah. I would agree that he is referring to the part and not the script as a whole.
Quote from: von on Apr 13, 2017, 11:17:29 AM
Arnold's quote:
QuoteThey asked me, and I read it, and I didn't like it — whatever they offered. So I'm not going to do that, no. Except if there's a chance that they rewrite it, or make it a more significant role. But the way it is now, no, I won't do that.
it = whatever they offered = Arnold's role as written in the current script & offered to him, NOT the script in its entirety
If English is your first language, it comes across pretty clearly.
He is talking about the script in the first sentence.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 13, 2017, 01:59:10 PM
Yeah. I would agree that he is referring to the part and not the script as a whole.
Agreed, the first "it" is the script, and the second "it" (what he doesn't like) is the offer. Otherwise the last part of the sentence makes absolutely no sense.
Simple, really.
Work on the script and give him a bigger role. :D
I bet he's lying and he actually is in the movie, just trying to make it a bigger surprise.
Quote from: overthere on Apr 11, 2017, 03:48:43 PM
I think Arnold declining the movie is a sign that it's a good movie. Arnold cannot recognize a good sequel to save his life, except Terminator 2.
No. They have offered a Cameo to Arnold. This is wrong. I'm honestly very disapointed to hear Arnold wont be part of it :'(
Quote from: overthere on Apr 17, 2017, 01:05:35 AM
I bet he's lying and he actually is in the movie, just trying to make it a bigger surprise.
I doubt it. :'(
Quote from: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on Apr 17, 2017, 01:09:06 AM
No. They have offered a Cameo to Arnold. This is wrong. I'm honestly very disapointed to hear Arnold wont be part of it :'(
Why is it wrong? Cameo is all 70 year old Arnold should do in a Predator movie.
Arnold plays second fiddle to nobody!
He is right to reject this film.
I will still see it though because Predator.
Quote from: blood. on Apr 17, 2017, 10:24:25 AM
Arnold plays second fiddle to nobody!
He is right to reject this film.
I will still see it though because Predator.
He would've had no problem being in the Nebraska Williams role. I actually would've preferred that than a new character lol.
Studios are idiots thinking a cast of nobodies is more important to showcase than Arnold. He made Predator what it is today. The movies were never as good without him.
The absence of Arnold isn't why certain sequels weren't well received.
Well the sequels' quality didn't suffer because of a lack of Arnold, but I do wish Arnold had been a part of Predator sequels. I don't mean plopping in him one of the current movies as is. His presence can't improve Predator 2 and Predators as they are. I mean crafting actual Dutch Schaefer stories. He should've led a team of scientists and military personnel in a Predator 2, and should've been abducted and taken to the Predator home planet in a Predator 3. Would've made a great sci-fi trilogy, the sequels could've and should've expanded on the lean and modest original much like Terminator 2 did with its predecessor.
Quote from: genocyber on Apr 17, 2017, 09:12:44 PM
Studios are idiots thinking a cast of nobodies is more important to showcase than Arnold. He made Predator what it is today. The movies were never as good without him.
What's frustrating is that all they needed is one A-lister, and the rest would've followed suit. You build your ensemble around the lead. If they had cast James Franco, I'm certain we wouldn't necessarily have Rhodes, Brown, Allen, etc.
If they had pushed filming to August of 2017, this would possible be not only a Predator, and not only a Shane Black movie, but also a Bradley Cooper movie.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 17, 2017, 09:27:59 PM
I mean crafting actual Dutch Schaefer stories.
Bingo.
Not sure why this is so hard.
Dutch kills a Pred...but "no big deal", let's move on.
Aliens got it right recognizing Ripley as the "lead" character vs. Alien(s) as the lead actor/character.
It is no big deal though, there are 7 billion humans on Earth at the moment and more have killed a Predator. I don't see why they'd single out Dutch.
One Predator lost to Dutch and to be honest, Dutch's fight wasn't impressive. He was getting manhandled so hard until he got lucky and the Predator just so happened to be in the path of a big log intended to activate a different trap, so Dutch improvised and used the weight of the log to drop it on the Predator.
Harrigan's fight was more impressive, he wasn't being pimp slapped across the jungle and actually used the hunter's own weapons against it. Dutch would've been an easy target for City Hunter because by then that little mud trick won't work.
Dutch is a great and memorable character no doubt, my favourite Predator protagonist, but I think people are wanking him a little too much to be honest.
The movie is about the Predators and I am glad that each of the films have pretty much been self contained, focusing only on the stars of the film coming to hunt on a safari.
If they do manage to bring back Arnie for a role, more power to them. I'm not against it. But I don't think Arnie's needed, Predator does just fine on its own.
Alien made the mistake of chaining itself to Ripley and now it can't shake her off. Thankfully Ridley is trying with the prequels and is doing a good job in my opinion. To echo what someone said here months ago -
QuoteIt's called A L I E N, not E L L E N.
;D
I mean you need a good protagonist. You've got to have some structure and continuity otherwise you just have episodes lol. Lethal Weapon wasn't called Riggs and Murtaugh.
Terrible.
The second and third film do reference the first so there's continuity there and the latest one might also acknowledge the other movies as Shane Black said he's not ignoring them.
You don't need one good protagonist, each film can have its own good protagonist.
Again: No Predator is the lead in the new movie.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 18, 2017, 12:57:05 AM
The second and third film do reference the first so there's continuity there and the latest one might also acknowledge the other movies as Shane Black said he's not ignoring them.
You don't need one good protagonist, each film can have its own good protagonist.
Like barely. Barely. A few seconds' worth of reference! You could take out those few sentences between the two and the movies wouldn't change. They don't recognize it in a significant way.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 18, 2017, 01:44:33 AM
Again: No Predator is the lead in the new movie.
Nor should one ever be. The Predator is the star? No sir, the predator is the icing, and icing is nothing without a good cake(characters and story) to put it on.
Those few lines still give it continuity to the first film. :P
And yes, you're right, the Predator is the delicious icing to put on the cake (characters and story)
Even you said so in the plural sense and that's what we got. Arnold does not count as "characters" since he is only singular. :)
Alright then.
Quote from: genocyber on Apr 17, 2017, 09:12:44 PM
Studios are idiots thinking a cast of nobodies is more important to showcase than Arnold. He made Predator what it is today. The movies were never as good without him.
Arnold should be in it, the studio is making a mistake.
Arnold passed because his role basically was a very small cameo at the very end, with only a couple of lines, not very much different from the cameo he was supposed to have in Predators. Shane should have written him a much larger role, a supporting role would have been something Schwarzenegger would have agreed to do, but considering the small role he was offered, I can see why he turned it down. It´s too bad really, I myself would have loved to see Dutch once again and it would have been interesting to know what happened to him after all these missing years.
I get why he passed - it's not a starring role - but at the same time I don't think he's owed one, and I think the new direction of the films (if it does well, that is) makes it clear that Dutch is intended for a big role in a sequel. Everyone would leave the theater talking Arnold, which is good for Arnold.
Considering he´s the main star in the original Predator movie and it´s one of his most iconic roles, and also that he still is a relatively known movie star world wide, (albeit now his box office draw is much smaller than it used to be), it would have really helped the box office of this movie to have his name attached to it. I also believe alot of people wanted to see him play Dutch again, and not in just some small cameo appearance at the end. Obviously the producers and the writers of this movie are totally out of touch with the fanbase or just straight up ignore them. Either way, it´s their loss in the end.
They're not just trying to reach the hardcore fanbase, though. This is for a larger audience.
I adore Arnold but he can't carry a major studio picture by himself anymore. This movie aims to establish a new setup with new ideas for the franchise and offered Arnold a major future role.
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 20, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
Considering he´s the main star in the original Predator movie and it´s one of his most iconic roles, and also that he still is a relatively known movie star Obviously the producers and the writers of this movie are totally out of touch with the fanbase or just straight up ignore them. Either way, it´s their loss in the end.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 09:44:53 PM
They're not just trying to reach the hardcore fanbase, though. This is for a larger audience.
I adore Arnold but he can't carry a major studio picture by himself anymore. This movie aims to establish a new setup with new ideas for the franchise and offered Arnold a major future role.
His cameo at the end would've been better than a major role in this film. It would've been the cherry on top.
I think Arnie's heard 'It'll totally lead to a major role!' enough in his life.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2017, 09:59:36 PM
I think Arnie's heard 'It'll totally lead to a major role!' enough in his life.
I just go by what I read, man. And it's not '87 anymore.
I know what you mean. But while the movie doesn't owe Arnie shit, he doesn't owe the movie shit either. I don't think it's as remarkable as several pages of conversation would have us all believe :p
I think we'll agree to disagree on what he owes, or at least what he could use. A starring role in a future Shane Black movie couldn't hurt him IMO. But Arnold is gonna be Arnold and I love him regardless.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 09:44:53 PM
They're not just trying to reach the hardcore fanbase, though. This is for a larger audience.
I adore Arnold but he can't carry a major studio picture by himself anymore. This movie aims to establish a new setup with new ideas for the franchise and offered Arnold a major future role.
Larger audience? The whole Predator franchise has a really large fanbase as it is, if you don´t believe go to any comic convention and you´ll see what I mean. Predator and Alien have one of the largest fanbases around, and if you start messing around and changing things too much, the fans are gonna get pissed. Look at what happened with Prometheus, no Aliens, everybody was dissapointed, and look now, like Ridley said, "They want Aliens, I´ll give them f#cking Aliens". He was talking about Covenant. They don´t need a larger audience that haven´t heard or seen a Predator movie, they need to cater to the large audience they already have. And that´s what they don´t get.
Arnold carried Terminator Genisys and it did pretty well considering how the movie turned out. Boyd Holbrook is still just an up and coming star and has never carried a large movie of this caliber. They virtually have no big names in this movie. None. Zero. Nada. How do you want to sell an event movie like Predator if you don´t even have a known movie star in it??
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 20, 2017, 10:25:34 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 09:44:53 PM
They're not just trying to reach the hardcore fanbase, though. This is for a larger audience.
I adore Arnold but he can't carry a major studio picture by himself anymore. This movie aims to establish a new setup with new ideas for the franchise and offered Arnold a major future role.
Larger audience? The whole Predator franchise has a really large fanbase as it is, if you don´t believe go to any comic convention and you´ll see what I mean.
I've been, but that's not the larger audience they are hoping to get. Those are fans who are bought and paid for. That is a fraction of the market. I think you're wrong that all that's needed is fan service, but you're entitled to your opinion.
QuoteArnold carried Terminator Genisys and it did pretty well considering how the movie turned out.
It was a huge flop and buried the franchise, possibly for good. I love Arnold and that's not his fault, but Arnold did not save it.
QuoteBoyd Holbrook is still just an up and coming star and has never carried a large movie of this caliber. They virtually have no big names in this movie. None. Zero. Nada. How do you want to sell an event movie like Predator if you don´t even have a known movie star in it??
With the Predator.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 10:06:19 PM
I think we'll agree to disagree on what he owes, or at least what he could use. A starring role in a future Shane Black movie couldn't hurt him IMO. But Arnold is gonna be Arnold and I love him regardless.
Shane has cited Prometheus as an inspiration to how he would treat Predator, in terms of the serious event thing. I think he thought Arnold's appearance in this would be analogous to the deacon in Prometheus.
Except way less stupid.
You think there's a chance of Shane getting Arnold for The Predator's sequel, provided it does well? I hope so.
I think using Dutch in a major role was definitely the intention for a sequel based on the draft I read.
You always seem to know better than everybody else, don´t you Speedy?? You´re the typical mister know-it-all that always has to be right, no matter what. TBH, I don´t have time for these games and sincerely it´s a total waste of my time trying to argue with you. Tell you what, let´s talk again when this movie comes out and see how successful it was, ok??
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 20, 2017, 09:45:15 PM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 20, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
Considering he´s the main star in the original Predator movie and it´s one of his most iconic roles, and also that he still is a relatively known movie star Obviously the producers and the writers of this movie are totally out of touch with the fanbase or just straight up ignore them. Either way, it´s their loss in the end.
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Do you have a twitter account? Because the fan base is always saying they want Arnold back as Dutch
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Quote from: OWLF on Apr 20, 2017, 10:43:18 PM
You always seem to know better than everybody else, don´t you Speedy?? You´re the typical mister know-it-all that always has to be right, no matter what. TBH, I don´t have time for these games and sincerely it´s a total waste of my time trying to argue with you. Tell you what, let´s talk again when this movie comes out and see how successful it was, ok??
All I said was I disagree about the audience they're going for and need, man. No big deal.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 10:06:19 PM
I think we'll agree to disagree on what he owes,
I never did get a response on what you thought he owed the franchise :P
He was big from
Terminator and
Conan.
Commando came out in '85 and did well,
The Running Man was a critical "eh" but did alright in '86.
Predator was another high, but it didn't make or save his career. It was just another good film under his belt.
He "owes" the Terminator franchise for sure. He even "owes"
Conan (and he'd readily admit it, as it was his first major role). But
Predator wasn't really a career-defining or career-making point for him.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2017, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 20, 2017, 10:06:19 PM
I think we'll agree to disagree on what he owes,
I never did get a response on what you thought he owed the franchise :P
I simply feel the movie is one of his greatest hits, critically and commercially.
Commando and
Running Man are remembered as lovable camp at best.
Predator was more than that and cemented his ability to continue to take on quality projects into the early '90s.
I think he has a small but important cameo written for him in a high-profile studio franchise picture from a critically-acclaimed writer-director who knows and respects Arnold's cachet, and who has clearly written the role in order for it to be able to lead to a strong presence in future installments. I think given the state of Arnold's career at present it could only help him, if he's serious about coming back big the way Sly eventually did (and Sly's had fits and starts since his big return but major movies like
Creed and the
Guardians of the Galaxy sequel have kept him up - Arnold doesn't really have anything like that in his quiver atm). Sly is shrewd enough to know he doesn't always have to be the star, and realized his
Expendables DTV sequels were hurting more than helping him. What was Arnold's last really substantial studio picture?
Genisys and David Ayer's worst movie before
Suicide Squad? He starred in those but did it help him? Arnold is far from stupid - he's a very smart businessman and I think he can and should see the benefits here.
YMMV, but that is just my opinion.
Thanks for that!
I see what you mean with it as a success, but it really was one of a string. It's more fondly remembered now than the others, but at the time, they were all hitting about the same marks financially and critically.
I don't think Arnie's really that preoccupied with acting today. He reached his goal of being the biggest movie star in the world, then he moved in to his next goal, and his next. I don't get the impression that he's desperate for parts, or a film career. He's not about to starve if he doesn't act, you know?
Do you follow him on social media? One really gets the sense that his community focused projects - ending gerrymandering, after school exercise programs, etc. - are much more what he'd rather be working on today. He still enjoys acting, but it's not all he is like it was in the 80s.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2017, 03:06:36 PM
I see what you mean with it as a success, but it really was one of a string. It's more fondly remembered now than the others, but at the time, they were all hitting about the same marks financially and critically.
Sure - but only some still hit the mark today, critically.
Predator is one of the big ones.
QuoteHe's not about to starve if he doesn't act, you know?
Certainly not, which is why I admired him for taking on, say,
Maggie, which I still haven't seen but which seemed like a smaller genre picture where he could just act. That said he's still clearly focused on being the lead when and where he can, and I just don't think that's the be-all end-all. When he's taken recent studio pictures where he's leading, they've mostly all turned out bad or mediocre since he stopped being Governator. His best options for that right now are several pipe dreams - like
Crusade or
Wings for Eagles, neither of which is likely to ever happen, or
King Conan which will never be the same without the unfortunately-incapacitated John Milius - or a future Shane Black
Predator sequel, which definitely can and probably will happen, IMO.
We're in a significant age of both mega-franchising and micro-targeted nostalgia. I think Arnold's cameo in
The Predator ticks all the hottest boxes in that formula right now, and would poise him to do what Sly has begun to wisely do by hitching his star to Marvel as well as to key supporting roles in important new films. A lot of people think Sly was robbed of an Oscar for
Creed and I think they're right. You can't buy that with a leading role in a studio action picture today, at least not a standalone one like the ones he's been trying to do. I'm not saying that sort of
Creed prestige could ever be Arnold's, but I do think he would catch more heat - if that is what he wants - with the right material, even if it's not center spotlight. And I think that spotlight would still be on him in the eyes of audiences leaving the theater after this movie. Every question would be 'is Dutch starring in the sequel?'
QuoteDo you follow him on social media?
I don't, but I'm aware of his recent commentary on the Special Olympics and the POTUS, both of which made me very proud to be a fan. Arnold is not a saint, anyone who knows his history knows that, but I think he's a profoundly decent (if imperfect) man and a true American on many levels.
Arnie taking a bit part in a Marvel movie makes more sense because they're not waiting for one film to do well before doing another; they have half a dozen in production at any time and a bit part in one movie guarantees a role in the next. This is a tiny role at the end of a movie and whether there's a sequel is entirely dependent on the success of this movie; it's not a sure thing.
As for people asking "Will he be back?!" -- they ask that every time they announce a film, he doesn't need a bit part teaser to get tongues wagging :P
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 03:17:08 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2017, 03:06:36 PM
I see what you mean with it as a success, but it really was one of a string. It's more fondly remembered now than the others, but at the time, they were all hitting about the same marks financially and critically.
Sure - but only some still hit the mark today, critically. Predator is one of the big ones.
QuoteHe's not about to starve if he doesn't act, you know?
Certainly not, which is why I admired him for taking on, say, Maggie, which I still haven't seen but which seemed like a smaller genre picture where he could just act. That said he's still clearly focused on being the lead when and where he can, and I just don't think that's the be-all end-all. When he's taken recent studio pictures where he's leading, they've mostly all turned out bad or mediocre since he stopped being Governator. His best options for that right now are several pipe dreams - like Crusade or Wings for Eagles, neither of which is likely to ever happen, or King Conan which will never be the same without the unfortunately-incapacitated John Milius - or a future Shane Black Predator sequel, which definitely can and probably will happen, IMO.
We're in a significant age of both mega-franchising and micro-targeted nostalgia. I think Arnold's cameo in The Predator ticks all the hottest boxes in that formula right now, and would poise him to do what Sly has begun to wisely do by hitching his star to Marvel as well as to key supporting roles in important new films. A lot of people think Sly was robbed of an Oscar for Creed and I think they're right. You can't buy that with a leading role in a studio action picture today, at least not a standalone one like the ones he's been trying to do. I'm not saying that sort of Creed prestige could ever be Arnold's, but I do think he would catch more heat - if that is what he wants - with the right material, even if it's not center spotlight. And I think that spotlight would still be on him in the eyes of audiences leaving the theater after this movie. Every question would be 'is Dutch starring in the sequel?'
QuoteDo you follow him on social media?
I don't, but I'm aware of his recent commentary on the Special Olympics and the POTUS, both of which made me very proud to be a fan. Arnold is not a saint, anyone who knows his history knows that, but I think he's a profoundly decent (if imperfect) man and a true American on many levels.
Maggie is a movie that I couldn't finish, not because it was bad, but because it was really a downer. Arnie's really good in it though. I'll finish one day, but I know I'm going to hate how it ends.
He did it for free, too.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2017, 10:59:35 PM
As for people asking "Will he be back?!" -- they ask that every time they announce a film, he doesn't need a bit part teaser to get tongues wagging :P
It's one thing for Arnold to
maybe be in a randomly-announced sequel out of nowhere, with fans speculating that he
could come back. It's quite another for him to actually show up in a major new
Predator sequel with a top-notch creative team in a story which ends with Arnold's character literally onscreen, leading the way to the next movie. That is a big difference. Take a look at how people talked about M. Night Shyamalan's
Split before it came out - guessing at a random twist - and after, when the big reveal in the credits had everyone talking.
Is it possible
The Predator might not do well enough to warrant said sequel, sure, hypothetically. But as long as it makes its money (and I think it will) and Black/Dekker are down, the studio will make it.
Yes, there's a difference -- but it goes back to he doesn't need it. He's Arnold f**king Schwarzenegger. A teaser getting people talking at the end of a movie doesn't really bolster him (and I imagine with how Terminator Genysis went he's weary of franchise bait).
It's a bit more complicated than just "making its money" (and whether it "makes money" can depend on some creative accounting if it's cheaper to write it off as a loss than admit it's a profit), and financially, the deck's stacked against them: Predator movies have never done gangbusters and Black's second-highest grossing film, The Nice Guys, made all of $36 million worldwide. Yeah, Iron Man 3 made over a billion -- but it's a Robert Downey Jnr Marvel Film. They're the highest grossing Marvel movies. I could make one tomorrow and bank on $800 million easy.
I'm not saying the film will tank, but from the perspective of a man who's spent his life achieving everything he's set out to, he reeeaaally doesn't need a bit part at the end of an unsure bet that may or may not turn into a major role in a few years.
TL;DR: I still don't think it's the least bit surprising he said no :P
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2017, 11:12:12 PM
He did it for free, too.
Wow, I didn't know that. I'd say that's probably his best dramatic acting to date. Though I haven't seen his latest movie which he looked very good in.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2017, 11:22:18 PM
I'm not saying the film will tank, but from the perspective of a man who's spent his life achieving everything he's set out to, he reeeaaally doesn't need a bit part at the end of an unsure bet that may or may not turn into a major role in a few years.
Sure. But maybe he wants to do a good movie with a celebrated action auteur, as opposed to
Expendables IV or another
Genisys. It couldn't hurt.
I'm not surprised, but I do think it's a career mistake. And yes, his film career - if he still wants one - does need it at this point, IMO.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 11:28:50 PM
Sure. But maybe he wants to do a good movie with a celebrated action auteur, as opposed to Expendables IV or another Genisys. It couldn't hurt.
And if they'd offered that, I'm sure he would've! Instead they offered him a walk-on part for a day's filming to kind of say "hi" at the end of production. There's no reason they can't still bring him on in the sequel for the role they intended for him.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 22, 2017, 12:04:44 AM
And if they'd offered that, I'm sure he would've! Instead they offered him a walk-on part for a day's filming to kind of say "hi" at the end of production.
Because they're trying to re-introduce a franchise with new leads and new ideas without just leaning on Arnold -
Genisys proved that didn't work. I think that's a very valid choice.
QuoteThere's no reason they can't still bring him on in the sequel for the role they intended for him.
No, there isn't. But this puts Arnold back in the public's mind immediately.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 12:09:32 AM
Because they're trying to re-introduce a franchise with new leads and new ideas without just leaning on Arnold
I know. And I think that's a great idea. But because of that, they didn't offer him the chance to work with an action auteur -- they offered him the chance to walk in and say hi. Bit of a difference.
QuoteNo, there isn't. But this puts Arnold back in the public's mind immediately.
He's Arnold Motherf**king Schwarzenegger, he's always in the public's mind.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 22, 2017, 12:13:03 AM
I know. And I think that's a great idea. But because of that, they didn't offer him the chance to work with an action auteur -- they offered him the chance to walk in and say hi. Bit of a difference.
And I think at this point in his post-Governor film career, Arnold should take the long view of what the cameo can mean for the future.
QuoteHe's Arnold Motherf**king Schwarzenegger, he's always in the public's mind.
I wish that were true. I don't think it is anymore. 90% of his current film output (and public life) is not on a lot of people's radar atm.
Maybe not, yet he's still a legend. He's recognisable to most of this planets population and I'm not even exaggerating. Arnie is a big deal. You want big deal? Give him a big role. He was offered camo twice so far and closest to happening was during AvP production. But he won the election. I'm glad he's not in it though. Old man Arnie fighting Predator in iffy production... just leave him be.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 12:20:37 AM
And I think at this point in his post-Governor film career, Arnold should take the long view of what the cameo can mean for the future.
It
could mean a day wasted on set that never amounts to anything. Yes, that's a pessimistic view. No, it's not an unrealistic one.
QuoteI wish that were true. I don't think it is anymore. 90% of his current film output (and public life) is not on a lot of people's radar atm.
Between his social media gibes at the President and his aforementioned work on various community projects, he's plenty out here.
Nice Guys made $57 million worldwide.
And no zombie film before World War Z ever did gangbusters. No reason why this Predator film can't be the first. I would not be surprised if this made over $400 million.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 22, 2017, 12:48:51 AM
Between his social media gibes at the President and his aforementioned work on various community projects, he's plenty out here.
He's out there, but it's intermittent. And it's not as a movie star, which is what this opportunity is about. The big splashy star revival was already tried on
Terminator. It didn't work. I think this is worth a shot given the caliber of talent, a studio commitment (the opposite of an iffy production, unlike
Predators where they just sent everyone to Rodriguez's yard) and IMO a good script. But that's me.
I haven't said this movie is going to be a monster hit and I wouldn't say that for a certainty. I think it will do pretty good numbers, but I don't know that it will beat out AC or be some really massive blockbuster. I think it will do enough to greenlight a sequel. Beyond that who knows.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 22, 2017, 12:56:25 AM
Nice Guys made $57 million worldwide.
Double checked and Box Office Mojo only lists the domestic, hence my number. But still, $57's not amazing. And is still his second highest-grossing movie.
QuoteAnd no zombie film before World War Z ever did gangbusters.
No zombie film had a $100 million budget, Brad Pitt, and a PG-13 rating -- three things this film is distinctly lacking.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 12:57:58 AM
And it's not as a movie star, which is what this opportunity is about.
Right, but what I'm mostly getting at is that I really don't think that's a priority for him any more. He nailed it and moved on. He still loves acting, but he doesn't need to be the greatest star in the world again. He did it already.
This movie isn't an unknown quantity like The Nice Guys or Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, but it isn't stratospheric like Iron Man 3. I think AvP:R and Predators have shown the base for these movies no matter what is $130 million. So a good Predator movie for once has serious potential.
It doesn't, but if they can market it like the event film they want it to be, they'll have no problem yielding similar success. PG-13 rating is immaterial per Fox's other recent R rated successes. Scope and Pitt for WWZ helped eventize it, they'll just have to eventize this movie in the marketing.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 22, 2017, 01:14:04 AM
It doesn't, but if they can market it like the event film they want it to be, they'll have no problem yielding similar success. PG-13 rating is immaterial per Fox's other recent R rated successes. Scope and Pitt for WWZ helped eventize it, they'll just have to eventize this movie in the marketing.
Marketing costs money. Large-scale event picture marketing can run to $100 million on its own. Would be nice if they spent it, but I really, really doubt it.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 22, 2017, 01:19:13 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 22, 2017, 01:14:04 AM
It doesn't, but if they can market it like the event film they want it to be, they'll have no problem yielding similar success. PG-13 rating is immaterial per Fox's other recent R rated successes. Scope and Pitt for WWZ helped eventize it, they'll just have to eventize this movie in the marketing.
Marketing costs money. Large-scale event picture marketing can run to $100 million on its own. Would be nice if they spent it, but I really, really doubt it.
I hope they put some big $$$ in the marketing. Considering that they want to reach a bigger audience with this.
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 20, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
I also believe alot of people wanted to see him play Dutch again, and not in just some small cameo appearance at the end. Obviously the producers and the writers of this movie are totally out of touch with the fanbase or just straight up ignore them. Either way, it´s their loss in the end.
This is exactly what i and most fans think. They dont care what fans want.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2017, 10:59:35 PM
Arnie taking a bit part in a Marvel movie makes more sense
Arnold in a superhero film? Possibly the worst idea ever. Did you forget Batman and Robin killed Arni's career? Arnold should stay away from awful children film like that(marvel)
Got a question, what do you people want from Arnold in, "The Predator"?
For me, personally, I can't see him fighting any Preds' as he's out of his prime. I can however see him as some Top Secret strategist tactician guy who gives out info to the elite soldiers who aim to catch/kill Preds. That's about it really. Unless they do a Logan approach
Spoiler
Spoiler
Where Dutch dies in the end, except Dutch gives one fatal blow to a Pred before his death. Then it ends with Thomas Jane punishing the crap out of the Pred
Quote from: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on Apr 22, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 21, 2017, 10:59:35 PM
Arnie taking a bit part in a Marvel movie makes more sense
Arnold in a superhero film? Possibly the worst idea ever. Did you forget Batman and Robin killed Arni's career? Arnold should stay away from awful children film like that(marvel)
Ayeeeeee, Batman & Robin is clearly different to Marvel films.
Ushella, The type of role i wanna see Arnold plays if he's in The Predator? Yeah pretty much like what you just described. Back in 87 he managed to off a predator and got away to tell the story. He became obsessed with this extraterrestrial hunter and set up his own investigation/research/intelligence small facility. He really knows a lot about this creature, their methods, their tendencies, their skills you name it. He's the guy you want around when it comes to Predator-hunting activities primarily because of his knowledge and insight of the predators. I don't wanna see him take on a predator mano a mano style, he's too old for that shit. He can be the CO who sheds the light on the whole alien encounter thing, enlightening the team on how to dismantle the technologically advanced alien. But of course, things can always go awry, no matter how trained and prepared you think you are, you never know what this cunning alien has in store for you. Long story short, i wanna see Dutch play a CO type of role where he's only responsible for the supervision tasks, not the one who pulls the trigger when shit hits the fan. Leave that to Quinn Mckenna and his team.
Quote from: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on Apr 22, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 20, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
I also believe alot of people wanted to see him play Dutch again, and not in just some small cameo appearance at the end. Obviously the producers and the writers of this movie are totally out of touch with the fanbase or just straight up ignore them. Either way, it´s their loss in the end.
This is exactly what i and most fans think. They dont care what fans want.
My thoughts as well, they just don't get it or simply just don't care.
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 22, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on Apr 22, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 20, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
I also believe alot of people wanted to see him play Dutch again, and not in just some small cameo appearance at the end. Obviously the producers and the writers of this movie are totally out of touch with the fanbase or just straight up ignore them. Either way, it´s their loss in the end.
This is exactly what i and most fans think. They dont care what fans want.
My thoughts as well, they just don't get it or simply just don't care.
Not true at all, guys. According to the poll here, 51% of us voted that he should be given a cameo appearance whereas only 35% said he should be given a central role. Over 6,800 fans voted.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/polls/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/polls/)
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 25, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 22, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on Apr 22, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 20, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
I also believe alot of people wanted to see him play Dutch again, and not in just some small cameo appearance at the end. Obviously the producers and the writers of this movie are totally out of touch with the fanbase or just straight up ignore them. Either way, it´s their loss in the end.
This is exactly what i and most fans think. They dont care what fans want.
My thoughts as well, they just don't get it or simply just don't care.
Not true at all, guys. According to the poll here, 51% of us voted that he should be given a cameo appearance whereas only 35% said he should be given a central role. Over 6,800 fans voted.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/polls/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/polls/)
They don't care about one particular website but about the comments on the internet worldwide.
How can they determine what people think worldwide?
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 25, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 22, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on Apr 22, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: OWLF on Apr 20, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
I also believe alot of people wanted to see him play Dutch again, and not in just some small cameo appearance at the end. Obviously the producers and the writers of this movie are totally out of touch with the fanbase or just straight up ignore them. Either way, it´s their loss in the end.
This is exactly what i and most fans think. They dont care what fans want.
My thoughts as well, they just don't get it or simply just don't care.
Not true at all, guys. According to the poll here, 51% of us voted that he should be given a cameo appearance whereas only 35% said he should be given a central role. Over 6,800 fans voted.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/polls/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/polls/)
Not all people voted or are on this site i didnt vote and i'd want Arnold in it (central role)
The fans want Arnold give it to us.
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 25, 2017, 10:01:13 PM
How can they determine what people think worldwide?
Predator 2, while pretty good, flopped because Arnold was missing and Predators was a joke, Arnold was missing too. That should tell you something. Predator without Arnold is wrong.
QuoteNot all people voted or are on this site i didnt vote and i'd want Arnold in it (central role)
It's a large sample of a population that comes to this site solely because they are fans of the franchise. Such a large sample of Predator fans that an accurate assessment can be made, and its results don't support your claim. How do you know your claim is true, anyways?
QuotePredator 2, while pretty good, flopped because Arnold was missing and Predators was a joke, Arnold was missing too. That should tell you something. Predator without Arnold is wrong.
Your opinion of P2 and Predators aside, it all just tells me that Arnold in his prime was popular. His recent outings tell me he doesn't guarantee success in quality or box office. Quite the opposite, actually.
Quote from: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on Apr 27, 2017, 04:04:15 AMPredator 2, while pretty good, flopped because Arnold was missing and Predators was a joke, Arnold was missing too. That should tell you something. Predator without Arnold is wrong.
Neither of those films would've been any better if you suddenly put Arnie in them.
Quote from: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on Apr 27, 2017, 04:04:15 AM
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 25, 2017, 10:01:13 PM
How can they determine what people think worldwide?
Predator 2, while pretty good... Predator without Arnold is wrong.
So, Predator 2 is a pretty good movie and has no Arnold... but at the same time Predator without Arnold ist shit... make up your mind dude.
Predator doesn't need Arnold, the movies aren't his story and have never been one connected arc anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
I agree that the cameo at the end would have been lame, so in my book, not having Arnold in the movie at all is the better way to go... i love Arnold, but people don't give a shit about his movies anymore, the last two went straight to DVD and that should teel
you something... it's 2017.
Either it bombs or it makes money, Arnold wouldn't have changed anything about it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 27, 2017, 10:25:06 AM
So, Predator 2 is a pretty good movie and has no Arnold... but at the same time Predator without Arnold ist shit... make up your mind dude.
Predator doesn't need Arnold, the movies aren't his story and have never been one connected arc anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
I agree that the cameo at the end would have been lame, so in my book, not having Arnold in the movie at all is the better way to go... i love Arnold, but people don't give a shit about his movies anymore, the last two went straight to DVD and that should teel you something... it's 2017.
Either it bombs or it makes money, Arnold wouldn't have changed anything about it.
I think there are two schools of thought when it comes to the Predator in general.
Side A- Predator
is the character, Predator is what the movie should be about, their world, their universe, they get the screen time etc...
Side B- The human characters are the lead(s). The story, the mystery, the slow burn of revealing Predator etc... is what it's about. Arnold and Danny Glover both I think were strong characters, that you rooted for, related too etc...
I've said in this forum before. Now it's about rooting for the Predators, them being the main (lead) character etc...
I think Alien franchise did a good job of making it Ripley's story, vs. the Alien story. I always think that's a better formula. When you are making a monster/creature franchise, I'm in the group that prefers humans being the central character vs. the creature.
Now the whole Dutch thing, 30 years later, we've obviously lost out on some good years worth of story...but, nevertheless it would help fill a void in the franchise. my opinion.
I don't think the film needs to treat the Predator as the lead or give it more screen time than the original. That doesn't mean the franchise has to be about Dutch, though.
The first Predator is the best because of Arnold Schwarzenegger's terrific performance.
Give Arnold a few scenes in this new Predator.
Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Apr 29, 2017, 02:39:39 AM
I don't think the film needs to treat the Predator as the lead or give it more screen time than the original. That doesn't mean the franchise has to be about Dutch, though.
Oy, he's not saying that. But it should've been. Would've been wildly more successful. I don't want to root for a damn creature, I want to root for the humans.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 29, 2017, 06:59:56 AMWould've been wildly more successful.
Once again you're totally ignoring the fact Arnie's last few starring roles have hardly set the box office on fire.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 29, 2017, 06:59:56 AM
Oy, he's not saying that. But it should've been. Would've been wildly more successful.
I'd agree if Arnold was at least 20 years younger and his last few movies weren't terrible or weak at the box office. But now just makes little sense for them to put all their eggs in the nostalgia basket by forcing the story to be centered on him.
QuoteI don't want to root for a damn creature, I want to root for the humans.
I agree with you there. Maybe we will like the new characters in The Predator.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 29, 2017, 08:10:47 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 29, 2017, 06:59:56 AMWould've been wildly more successful.
Once again you're totally ignoring the fact Arnie's last few starring roles have hardly set the box office on fire.
Obviously I mean around the time Predator 2 actually came out. Obviously I don't mean a hypothetical Arnie Predator 2 or 3 being released in 2016 or 2017. Which would probably still do well because it's a franchise like Terminator.
All I'm saying is that Arnold turned down Pred 2 to do Total Recall. This was a "Dutch" story to begin with. Not a Predator story...Not what it's morphed into today.
People to this day (as some posts on this board show) wanted a "Dutch" sequel or story line at least for another movie or two. There is nothing "wrong" with that. For as much as I wanted that too...I understand the reality of the situation now too much time has passed, the window is likely closed...to tell that story (unless you really wanted to dig deep and fill in the gaps, which Black and Fox don't seem to want to do...which is fine). Which is the "struggle" for the fans that wanted the "Dutch story"...the reality is we still want it. We love the Predator, the creature that he is...think he's awesome etc...the fans that want the Dutch-story, don't disregard the Predator...so the "struggle" is moving on...seeing this creature, this could have been story...this big missing peice in the franchise...never coming to be...and "us" having to jump on board with the direction this thing is now going.
Keep in mind Alien had worn out the Ripley story...so those fans are allowed to say "okay let's do whatever now". New Universe, new story, this that..."we're good on the Ripley stuff...we got that thing A-Z...we can move on and out..."
Dutch-Predator fans...never got to do that. And it's left a sour taste in our mouth to this day.
And there is nothing "wrong" with that.
While I loved Dutch, I never really felt like his story needed to be followed up on.
You can say the same thing about Ripley from Alien. Or any fictional character ever.
Point being, I always found the Predator to be the more interesting of the two characters.
You can have both.
But why would that be necessary?
In fact, I like that Predator became a series about the creature, not just another Arnie franchise.
Because people like going on journeys with characters. Whether it's Ellen Ripley, Indiana Jones, Roland Deschain, the Fast and Furious gang, or Harry Potter, myself and others like investing in characters. According to you, Alien was about the character, Predator was about the creature. Look at where that got each franchise. Tell me which one was more successful.
Another Arnie franchise... yes because there are tons of those.
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 30, 2017, 05:13:26 PM
People to this day (as some posts on this board show) wanted a "Dutch" sequel or story line at least for another movie or two. There is nothing "wrong" with that.
Agreed.
QuoteFor as much as I wanted that too...I understand the reality of the situation now too much time has passed, the window is likely closed...to tell that story (unless you really wanted to dig deep and fill in the gaps, which Black and Fox don't seem to want to do...which is fine).
I wish everyone had this perspective. But the thread displays more of a "they don't care about what 'most fans' want" argument; a notion I find invalid.
QuoteWhich is the "struggle" for the fans that wanted the "Dutch story"...the reality is we still want it. We love the Predator, the creature that he is...think he's awesome etc...the fans that want the Dutch-story, don't disregard the Predator...so the "struggle" is moving on...seeing this creature, this could have been story...this big missing peice in the franchise...never coming to be...and "us" having to jump on board with the direction this thing is now going.
Sounds like a dramatic "struggle" of not getting what one wants which becomes petulant by holding today's filmmaker accountable for what didn't happen in 1990.
QuoteKeep in mind Alien had worn out the Ripley story...so those fans are allowed to say "okay let's do whatever now". New Universe, new story, this that..."we're good on the Ripley stuff...we got that thing A-Z...we can move on and out..."
Dutch-Predator fans...never got to do that. And it's left a sour taste in our mouth to this day.
And there is nothing "wrong" with that.
Yeah there's nothing inherently wrong with being upset and struggling to face the reality of where the franchise is. I don't think that is the debate. I see something wrong with using baseless claims to say why the decisions being made today aren't proper, especially since fans don't all want Arnold in a central role.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 30, 2017, 07:34:22 PM
You can have both.
It comes at a high cost in 2017, unfortunately. Arnold isn't the same in the eyes of audiences.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 30, 2017, 07:47:36 PM
Because people like going on journeys with characters. Whether it's Ellen Ripley, Indiana Jones, Roland Deschain, the Fast and Furious gang, or Harry Potter, myself and others like investing in characters.
Agreed, that's why I'm looking forward to the new characters Shane is bringing to life.
QuoteAccording to you, Alien was about the character, Predator was about the creature. Look at where that got each franchise.
Though I disagree with you about Predator not being about characters, I don't think the success/failure of its franchise all came down to that one aspect. There's budgets, writing, directing, competition, star power, etc. Plus it's debatable whether following Ripleys journey was even a good thing at all. I found Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection to leave the franchise in a terrible state.
QuoteTell me which one was more successful.
The one that introduced new characters, new storylines and new ideas?
I didn't say Predator was about the creature. I said in my post ACCORDING TO YOU.
Say what you will about A3 and A4 but they still brought in tons of money. More than P2 and P3.
And at least Alien had Aliens. Predator never had its Aliens.
Big mistake to not follow Dutch back in the early '90s.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 30, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
I didn't say Predator was about the creature. I said in my post ACCORDING TO YOU.
I actually didn't say that, that was Hudafuk. But you used that logic as a basis for your argument. If you don't believe in it, then you don't believe in the argument. So we would be in agreement there.
QuoteSay what you will about A3 and A4 but they still brought in tons of money. More than P2 and P3.
Low points in the franchise can't be fixed by the extra money studio execs made. And I'm not arguing what should have happened in 1990, I'm arguing what should happen now. Arnold doesn't boost box office results now.
QuoteAnd at least Alien had Aliens. Predator never had its Aliens.
Agreed. And now Alien has Prometheus and Covenant. Movies that didn't need Ripley and introduced new characters and new storylines. It is a good call.
QuoteBig mistake to not follow Dutch back in the early '90s.
Agreed. But we can only move forward now.
Sure. Ok.
Nothing "dramatic"... about "the struggle" (lol, it does sound funny) just saying there is a reason there is a "catch" when it comes to fully embracing the current state and near future of Predator. Black is not accountable to me or any particular fan...I'm not ignorant enough to think that. I'm also fully aware of what Fox wants, which will drive what Black does...
It seems to be a theme tho, that if those in the "Dutch-Pred" camp, don't fully say "awesome!" and run around like a kid in a candy store to this new Pred movie, that they are somehow flawed or "wrong" etc...
Which is not the case. Believe it or not I'm pro "Dutch-Pred" but will support Black, his movie, and root for the characters he's chosen.
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 30, 2017, 11:47:17 PM
Nothing "dramatic"... about "the struggle" (lol, it does sound funny) just saying there is a reason there is a "catch" when it comes to fully embracing the current state and near future of Predator.
Ah I see what you mean. The feelings are justified but I don't think all actions (of some here) fueled by those feelings are. Comments like "Shane doesn't care what fans want," "Shame on Black," "cheerleading brings nothing but crap to the table," and "Predators flopped because Arnold wasn't in it" are just ignorant for reasons already explained.
QuoteBlack is not accountable to me or any particular fan...I'm not ignorant enough to think that. I'm also fully aware of what Fox wants, which will drive what Black does...
You don't think Black will be making the film he wants to make?
QuoteIt seems to be a theme tho, that if those in the "Dutch-Pred" camp, don't fully say "awesome!" and run around like a kid in a candy store to this new Pred movie, that they are somehow flawed or "wrong" etc...
Arguments are thought out, explained, and discussed here. If you say people are "somehow" wrong it's probably because certain arguments make more sense than others. I don't think anyone is ever just deemed wrong and it's left at that. But if you're asking me to not call people's logic flawed, you'll have to be more specific on which arguments those are. I really don't see any "kids in candy stores" who think this will be a guaranteed hit, though. Just people who are optimistic and others who can't see a behind the scenes set photo without calling a kid "smug" and "pathetic."
QuoteBelieve it or not I'm pro "Dutch-Pred" but will support Black, his movie, and root for the characters he's chosen.
I'm a pro "Dutch-Pred" guy too in that I like Dutch and wish we had sequels with him. But what good does it do to dwell on what could have been in 1990 when it's 2017 right now?
Quote from: Original Predator on Apr 30, 2017, 05:13:26 PM
All I'm saying is that Arnold turned down Pred 2 to do Total Recall. This was a "Dutch" story to begin with. Not a Predator story...Not what it's morphed into today.
People to this day (as some posts on this board show) wanted a "Dutch" sequel or story line at least for another movie or two. There is nothing "wrong" with that. For as much as I wanted that too...I understand the reality of the situation now too much time has passed, the window is likely closed...to tell that story (unless you really wanted to dig deep and fill in the gaps, which Black and Fox don't seem to want to do...which is fine). Which is the "struggle" for the fans that wanted the "Dutch story"...the reality is we still want it. We love the Predator, the creature that he is...think he's awesome etc...the fans that want the Dutch-story, don't disregard the Predator...so the "struggle" is moving on...seeing this creature, this could have been story...this big missing peice in the franchise...never coming to be...and "us" having to jump on board with the direction this thing is now going.
Keep in mind Alien had worn out the Ripley story...so those fans are allowed to say "okay let's do whatever now". New Universe, new story, this that..."we're good on the Ripley stuff...we got that thing A-Z...we can move on and out..."
Dutch-Predator fans...never got to do that. And it's left a sour taste in our mouth to this day.
And there is nothing "wrong" with that.
That is a post i can agree with. Glad you posted this. I've always wanted to see Dutch comeback and now is probably the last chance to get it before Arnold retires from acting.
Please get Arnold!
We'd all love to see Dutch. Shane Black would love to use Dutch. But I don't fault Black for not writing the movie around Arnold who is what, in his 70s? This is a new start for the franchise and needs new leads. Arnold was supposed to have a plum role going forward should the film succeed. If he chooses to be a part of it I'll be thrilled and I know Shane Black would be as well.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 01, 2017, 03:49:33 AM
We'd all love to see Dutch. Shane Black would love to use Dutch. But I don't fault Black for not writing the movie around Arnold who is what, in his 70s? This is a new start for the franchise and needs new leads. Arnold was supposed to have a plum role going forward should the film succeed. If he chooses to be a part of it I'll be thrilled and I know Shane Black would be as well.
Highly Seconded!!
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 01, 2017, 03:49:33 AM
We'd all love to see Dutch. Shane Black would love to use Dutch. But I don't fault Black for not writing the movie around Arnold who is what, in his 70s? This is a new start for the franchise and needs new leads. Arnold was supposed to have a plum role going forward should the film succeed. If he chooses to be a part of it I'll be thrilled and I know Shane Black would be as well.
What kind of role was he supposed to have that gets bigger in sequels? Nothing but some sort of tactical adviser comes to mind.
Quote from: overthere on May 01, 2017, 11:11:52 AM
What kind of role was he supposed to have that gets bigger in sequels? Nothing but some sort of tactical adviser comes to mind.
That's what I was wondering once I found that out too.
He's not getting any younger. So you'd think it would be a now or never thing. Do the whole-lead-A-team bit now, and fill in the back story at the beginning of the movie. But for Arnold to show up with 5 mins left...(he'd be 71 by the time the scene happens via the release next year), add 2-4 years for the next Pred movie that he's sposed to be in....and he's now 72-75...yikes.
If anything, have him in the beginning of the movie....to "retire" and transition his team to a new leader (Holbrook) vs. the original plan...(Have some sort of scene where him and his team are at some retirement "party" so to speak...after a mission...etc...then maybe he shows up in the last 5 mins of the movie....for a final death blow, or to "help" with the final "death blow.."... drop a last line...then be done).
There's loads of different ways to include him for sure: I always liked the "Ripley" idea where tells the team who are sent to deal with it that they have "no idea what you dealing with here."
But he was pretty unequivocal: he wants a big role or no role - which is a shame as you'd have thought he'd be up for a bit of fan-service. But I think we can all agree - as awesome as it would be - he doesn't need this movie. Indeed, he doesn't need any movie, only those that he chooses to do.
I bet he's lying and deliberately having us believe he's not a part of this movie so the surprise is bigger.
Hope springs eternal - that'd be ace if it pans out to be true!
Quote from: overthere on May 01, 2017, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 01, 2017, 03:49:33 AM
We'd all love to see Dutch. Shane Black would love to use Dutch. But I don't fault Black for not writing the movie around Arnold who is what, in his 70s? This is a new start for the franchise and needs new leads. Arnold was supposed to have a plum role going forward should the film succeed. If he chooses to be a part of it I'll be thrilled and I know Shane Black would be as well.
What kind of role was he supposed to have that gets bigger in sequels? Nothing but some sort of tactical adviser comes to mind.
Yeah that would be cool. Someone who they call in to train the troops.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Apr 30, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
Big mistake to not follow Dutch back in the early '90s.
How would it have been if Dutch was in the Peter Keyes role as originally planned (don't get me wrong I like Gary Busey)? Except he didn't die but returned in the sequel, Predators, replacing Adrien Brody (who is not that memorable IMO). And instead of Lawrence Fishburne in Predators it was Danny Glover. One can only dream. ::)
Quote from: Scorpio on May 07, 2017, 08:36:53 AM
And instead of Lawrence Fishburne in Predators it was Danny Glover. One can only dream. ::)
Nahhh
Spoiler
He's too old for that ****. Ba dum tss!
https://www.ihorror.com/why-arnold-schwarzenegger-refused-to-appear-in-the-predator/
I don't recognize some of the quotes from Black in here so not sure if this is a recent thing he's talked about.
To be precise:
All Predators love challenges but an old man in his 70s(Arnold as Dutch) isn't a challenge. We need men in his 30s or early 40s. Nothing more.
Arnie had said much earlier that he turned it down because he didn't want a cameo appearance.
It's a shame to hear stuff like this. Smacks of ego.
Eh, I actually agree with him.
There's no point to having Dutch there for two seconds right at the end.
Yep.
Plus look at it from his perspective, they'd have to pay Arnold an unreasonable amount in comparison to his screen time that he would be there for.
Or he gets paid pittance and then it really isn't worth his while, and then he starts being asked to cameo in loads of things he has no interest in.
Could've had a Quinn and Dutch dynamic...
The big issue would be Dutch getting the comedy treatment. Some scenes with Arnold would've felt like an expendables movie, and that's definitely not something I'd like to see happen to Dutch.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 07, 2018, 06:55:28 AMThe big issue would be Dutch getting the comedy treatment.
"Stick around."
Dutch + comedy, right there in the first movie.
I would say there was humour in the first movie, not flat out comedy. "The naked gun" is comedy, Predator is not. It's a serious movie with popcorn fun mixed in, hence the infamous one liners.
I love this, because it gives the movie a lightness and it's a big part why it has rewatch value, you can watch Predator on a thursday afternoon, and besides it being a very brutal movie, you don't feel bad at all. Predator 2 also has that, but at times unintentional, to be honest. Predators is the least favourite for me, partly because it feels dead on grim the whole time, there is (almost) no fun exchange between the characters, they all mistrust and don't give a f**k about each others until they... well, die.
I hope The Predator gives us that kind of humour and lightness, not flat out comedy to the point of self parody though, and it think that's all that people are asking for.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 07, 2018, 07:55:16 AMI would say there was humour in the first movie, not flat out comedy. "The naked gun" is comedy, Predator is not. It's a serious movie with popcorn fun mixed in, hence the infamous one liners.
It's black comedy, as are most of Arnie's action movies.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 07, 2018, 07:55:16 AMI love this, because it gives the movie a lightness and it's a big part why it has rewatch value, you can watch Predator on a thursday afternoon, and besides it being a very brutal movie, you don't feel bad at all.
Which is basically what I expect from
The Predator, if Shane Black's previous movies are anything to go by. People seem to be blowing this "comedy" thing all out of proportion - the
Lethal Weapon films are comedies, but it doesn't stop them also being brutal as hell, especially the first couple that Black wrote.
If anything I wouldn't mind Dutch having a son being introduced to the franchise. But I think the ship has sailed as far as Arnold or Glover squaring off with the predator again. Sad but at the very least we had continuity in the comics with his brother and General Phillips
That kind of continuity is lame and uninspired.
In any franchise, if I wanted that kind of predictability I'd watch soaps.
Yeah i was about to say that, it's kind of a lazy way to create a new story.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 07, 2018, 08:50:12 PM
That kind of continuity is lame and uninspired.
In any franchise, if I wanted that kind of predictability I'd watch soaps.
And here's his second cousin Vinny Schaefer, he was in the mob in New Joihsee.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Aug 07, 2018, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 07, 2018, 08:50:12 PM
That kind of continuity is lame and uninspired.
In any franchise, if I wanted that kind of predictability I'd watch soaps.
And here's his second cousin Vinny Schaefer, he was in the mob in New Joihsee.
Don't forget Patty o' Schaefer, the Irish uncle.
"Ya mean ta tal me, you throw on a beet of mud, and it can't fookin' se yeh? What the shite koyned of alien was this Dutch? You sound like a stook all hopped up on the funny flour. Now give me a snog on the noodle, and let's go on the lash."
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 07, 2018, 09:02:32 PM
Yeah i was about to say that, it's kind of a lazy way to create a new story.
Yes, agreed. I'd rather see an entirely different cast of characters introduced then have it become some sort of bloodline thing. Not to say that it doesn't work to some extent (as is the case in this upcoming film), but having it be a direct descendant of one of the mains would be over-reaching.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 07, 2018, 11:55:54 PMDon't forget Patty o' Schaefer, the Irish uncle.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/ad/c9/1aadc94f09e2be9564ab242afc9430e2.jpg)
So that's where Dutch gets his charm eh?
The Predator's Shane Black totally understood Arnold Schwarzenegger turning movie down (http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/predator/news/a865827/the-predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-cameo-rejection/?utm_content=buffer1dea0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=maintwitterpost)
QuoteLast year, Arnie revealed that he turned down the chance to star in the sequel and hinted that it would have just been a cameo. Black confirmed to Digital Spy that it wouldn't have been a substantial role because of the direction of the movie.
"The studio wanted a fresher movie that featured an evolving cast. They didn't want to hinge the movie on the re-emergence of Schwarzenegger," he recalled. "It would probably be more of a matter of his showing up briefly and just participating at the very end, at the climax of the movie."
Black noted that even when he was going to ask Arnie about appearing in The Predator, he expected him to say no as it's what he'd do in his position.
"Understandably – and believe me, I completely get it – he said, 'Look, that's kind of a small part, and I don't really think I want to do that. I'm off to do Terminator with Jim Cameron, basically. Or for Jim Cameron'," he explained.
"So I totally got it, you know? If I was Schwarzenegger, I'd want to be one of the stars of a film, or nothing."
Black isn't ruling out Arnie reprising the role of Dutch if The Predator gets a sequel as he noted that they have left it "completely open". "I even said to him, 'If you're in this one, we would open it up for the sequel, because now you're back in the franchise'," he added.
"So you know, if there's another movie, there's no reason why he couldn't be either in it, or the star of it, or whatever someone decides at a future date."
It would have been nice to have a cameo. Like Hercules, I'm DISAPPOINTED !
I want to see this film succeed because it'll ignite interest for an additional instalment, however this film is been given a massive release 1200 more theatres then the pervious entry Predators across Canada and America including Imax as well as 3D internationally.
When Alien Covenant was released I tried to persuade friends to watch the film in the theatres but they only asked one question, is Sigourney Weaver back as Ripley ? they didn't want to know anymore about it.
Not including Schwarzenegger is a terrible terrible mistake, and should this film fail or break even his involvement could have saved the day.