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Posted by BlueMarsalis79
 - Mar 24, 2024, 02:54:44 PM
I much much prefer Blade Runner to the novel, one particular scene's score aside.

Posted by Wweyland
 - Mar 24, 2024, 01:12:50 PM
I will be reading the semi-official Blade Runner sequel novels next, starting with The Edge of Human.
Posted by SiL
 - Mar 24, 2024, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 24, 2024, 12:11:20 PMI found the setting of Electric Sheep utterly different from the film. Dry, dusty, largely abandoned rather than wet and crowded.
There was also that. Electric Sheep is desolated, Blade Runner is a mosh pit.
Posted by SM
 - Mar 24, 2024, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 24, 2024, 09:52:43 AMI felt like the movie sort of missed the point that the androids are psychopathic, and it's literally the only way to distinguish them from humans. Having them care for each other to the level they do in the movie undermines that what makes us human is our ability to be compassionate.

The animal stuff is so crucial to the book and it feels so weird having it missing in the film. The Voigt Kampff test in the movie just feels like vague sci fi bullshit, but the novel makes it very clear what they're actually looking for and why the specific questions are asked.
I found the setting of Electric Sheep utterly different from the film. Dry, dusty, largely abandoned rather than wet and crowded.
Posted by Ingwar
 - Mar 24, 2024, 11:25:23 AM
I will read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? again. It's waiting in the queue. 
Posted by SiL
 - Mar 24, 2024, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 24, 2024, 11:14:27 AMI've read the book ages ago so cannot comment on that, however I just look at Blade Runner as a masterpiece of cinema. I don't focus too much on the difference in details between the source material and the adaptation.
That's fair! I just found the novel basically addressed all of my problems with the film in terms of the story.
Posted by Ingwar
 - Mar 24, 2024, 11:14:27 AM
I've read the book ages ago so cannot comment on that, however I just look at Blade Runner as a masterpiece of cinema. I don't focus too much on the difference in details between the source material and the adaptation.
Posted by SiL
 - Mar 24, 2024, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 24, 2024, 10:32:42 AMBecause Blade Runner is not an adaptation in 1:1 ratio.
No adaptation is, but the argument the book makes is human empathy cannot be synthesised, only imitated. I prefer this to the film's vague wishy-washiness. The Voigt Kampff test doesn't make any real sense in the movie, it's sort of just hand waved as a test that can catch them but the clarity of the novel is gone.

I think that's what I like about the book. It's weird, but it makes sense, whereas the movie relies too much on vibes.
Posted by Ingwar
 - Mar 24, 2024, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 24, 2024, 01:48:44 AMYou should read Trylogia Księżycowa by Jerzy Żuławski.

Are you trying to tell me something? First volume of The Lunar Trilogy is called ... On the Silver Globe :)


Quote from: SiL on Mar 24, 2024, 09:52:43 AMI felt like the movie sort of missed the point that the androids are psychopathic, and it's literally the only way to distinguish them from humans. Having them care for each other to the level they do in the movie undermines that what makes us human is our ability to be compassionate.

The animal stuff is so crucial to the book and it feels so weird having it missing in the film. The Voigt Kampff test in the movie just feels like vague sci fi bullshit, but the novel makes it very clear what they're actually looking for and why the specific questions are asked.

Because Blade Runner is not an adaptation in 1:1 ratio. It mostly focuses on an idea that Dick was obsessed with: what it means to be human (other one was: what's reality). It's an empathy test for the audience.


Posted by SiL
 - Mar 24, 2024, 09:52:43 AM
I felt like the movie sort of missed the point that the androids are psychopathic, and it's literally the only way to distinguish them from humans. Having them care for each other to the level they do in the movie undermines that what makes us human is our ability to be compassionate.

The animal stuff is so crucial to the book and it feels so weird having it missing in the film. The Voigt Kampff test in the movie just feels like vague sci fi bullshit, but the novel makes it very clear what they're actually looking for and why the specific questions are asked.
Posted by Wweyland
 - Mar 24, 2024, 09:46:39 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 23, 2024, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 23, 2024, 01:48:27 PMSecond time reading Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep. So many sub-plots not in the movie.
Do you prefer one or the other? I found I liked the book a lot more.
The book is much more thoughtful and explores different ideas.
The animal subplot is especially interesting.
Mercerism, Buster Friendly, the fake police station, all missing from the movie.

My only criticism of the book is that the movie made the androids more likable and capable.
The final battle with Roy Baty in the book is something like this:
Roy prepares a trap, but it has no effect.
Roy shoots Decard twice, missing both times.
Decard shoots Roy, killing him.

The "Tears in rain" scene is of course iconic, but the epilogue with Decard finding a robotic frog in the wasteland is awesome as well (reminded me of some scenes from Blade Runner 2049).
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Mar 24, 2024, 01:48:44 AM
You should read Trylogia Księżycowa by Jerzy Żuławski.
Posted by Ingwar
 - Mar 24, 2024, 12:03:39 AM
Recently finished book 2, 3 and 4 from The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe which is probably the weirdest stuff I've ever read from sci-fi/fantasy genre.

The Claw of the Conciliator
The Sword of the Lictor
The Citadel of the Autarch


Also

Count Zero by William Gibson

Reading super-slowly Dune at the moment and gonna start Piranesi by Susanna Clarke soon.
Posted by SiL
 - Mar 23, 2024, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 23, 2024, 01:48:27 PMSecond time reading Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep. So many sub-plots not in the movie.
Do you prefer one or the other? I found I liked the book a lot more.
Posted by Wweyland
 - Mar 23, 2024, 01:48:27 PM
Second time reading Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep. So many sub-plots not in the movie.
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