Wow I hate this.
https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/080720-1600
Comes as a surprise to nobody. Disney is well known for doing this. Just a shame it now covers all Fox's output and catalogue.
Some interesting comments from this guy:
QuoteIt's easy to just go after Disney for this sort of thing but I fully expect more studios to start phasing out 4K discs and physical copies more generally. Why only get money from a consumer once when they can put that on a streaming service and charge you monthly for access?
Obviously Disney treating the Fox back catalog like a burden rather than something to celebrate is a much, much bigger issue but if you think it's just Evil Disney Being Evil you're fooling yourself.
The end-game for IP-holding companies is that you never actually own anything, you just lease it from them and lose access when you decide to stop. And there are severe repercussions for film preservation and access as a result of that.
It's very interesting that just 20 years ago these companies were petrified of the Internet and lobbied for strong IP protection laws and now that they can use it to get funds in perpetuity they're blowing up the very model they went to the mat to protect.
https://twitter.com/Learnonaut/status/1292880675863965697 (https://twitter.com/Learnonaut/status/1292880675863965697)
Kind of like what Adobe did with their subscription service.
Yeah, this sucks. Probably won't get any Alien releases anymore, I guess. f**kin Disney...
Yeah, this is definitely representative of the industry at large. It just happens to be starting here with Disney, as so many other recent massive shifts have lately.
Media going completely subscription based, being reduced to whatever "content" is currently on so and so streaming service for such and such monthly fee, just sounds like a terrible direction for putting stories out there, and it is only going to get worse and worse as time goes on.
As someone who loves physical (for various reasons), this really sucks. :-\
f**k you disney, as I have said back when xbox one was presented on E3 2013: start having online demands to play the games and only digital sales: Im going. Going digital and losing the right to own something isnt something I will accept. One shouldnt have to rebuy the same movie for all devices or every few years or in the end as microsoft and disney wants: you can only rent the movies/games.
Material releases all the way for me, and have the option to own it rather than to depend on servers being up or disney control if I can watch the movie or not.
I guess I should probably upgrade my copies of Prometheus and Covenant to 4K releases, before the "Vault" strikes.
This was going to happen anyway with every studio sadly. Blu-Ray unfortunately has never surpassed DVD sales, and the Blu-Ray physical media sales is shrinking every year. This is why Samsung, who was the #1 manufacturer in Blu-Ray Players in the World discontinued their players last year. All of them. They see the decline and the grim future of physical media. And thats just blu-ray. Then there's the 4K niche.
It might take another 5-10 years but sadly digital ownership and streaming is our future it seems. :(
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 10, 2020, 08:08:17 PM
This was going to happen anyway with every studio sadly. Blu-Ray unfortunately has never surpassed DVD sales, and the Blu-Ray physical media sales is shrinking every year. This is why Samsung, who was the #1 manufacturer in Blu-Ray Players in the World discontinued their players last year. All of them. They see the decline and the grim future of physical media. And thats just blu-ray. Then there's the 4K niche.
It might take another 5-10 years but sadly digital ownership and streaming is our future it seems. :(
While blurays in ps4 and xbox one sell more than ever and are in ps5 and the next xbox.
Still need to pick up Alien in 4K and can only dream for Aliens to get a 4K transfer. I'm just glad I got to see Aliens at my local cinema last month.
Quote from: judge death on Aug 10, 2020, 08:09:34 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 10, 2020, 08:08:17 PM
This was going to happen anyway with every studio sadly. Blu-Ray unfortunately has never surpassed DVD sales, and the Blu-Ray physical media sales is shrinking every year. This is why Samsung, who was the #1 manufacturer in Blu-Ray Players in the World discontinued their players last year. All of them. They see the decline and the grim future of physical media. And thats just blu-ray. Then there's the 4K niche.
It might take another 5-10 years but sadly digital ownership and streaming is our future it seems. :(
While blurays in ps4 and xbox one sell more than ever and are in ps5 and the next xbox.
Huh? There are Blu-Ray's inside the Xbox and PS4? Let me crack mine open!!
Blu-Ray discs sales are down mon, year after year, even if your game console plays them. It's the digital revolution mon! Physical media keeps shrinking mon. The kids like their digital!
This is true you only need to go to the supermarket to see the small pathetic section for blu-rays and even a tiny tiny section within the blu-rays for 4K. DVDs are still outnumbering them. Also u only have to see how bare bones Blu-ray and 4K disc are these days. They commentary and bonus material are lacking. Man I miss the days when you had hours a bonus content on dvds.
Direct from sonys official site for ps4 and ps5:
Media Blu-ray, DVD
;)
But yes you are right and I cant understand how people are so open to let others decide what and if they can watch a movie rather than properly own it and have it forever. :/
Curse you, James Cameron!
You've had 15 years to get The Abyss out on blu-ray, 5 years for the UHD. Now all I'm left with is that crap DVD in letterboxed 4:3.
THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!
https://www.filmstories.co.uk/features/true-lies-the-abyss-and-the-blu-ray-4k-problem/
TC
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 11:41:28 PM
I think it's time to stop with the physical media. Get with the times, people.
I definitely stream, and typically have a few different services at any given time, but if I like something I want to own it. "Content" (because that's what films and television are being reduced to) can be pulled from a streaming service at any time, or hidden behind an additional paywall as Mulan is now showing. And a 4K disc is going to look and sound better than a 4K stream under most conditions.
Streaming absolutely has its place, and I will be the first to vouch for that. But that place isn't as a replacement for physical media, at least for me.
Quote from: TC on Aug 11, 2020, 03:37:17 AM
Curse you, James Cameron!
You've had 15 years to get The Abyss out on blu-ray, 5 years for the UHD. Now all I'm left with is that crap DVD in letterboxed 4:3.
THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!
https://www.filmstories.co.uk/features/true-lies-the-abyss-and-the-blu-ray-4k-problem/
TC
Haha, what's with the 480 pages thread on T2's 4K release. Arnolds eyebrows pink or something?? :laugh:
Did Cameron make it bluer?
Quote from: kwisatz on Aug 11, 2020, 04:05:22 AM
T2's 4K release.
Quote from: kwisatz on Aug 11, 2020, 04:05:22 AM
pink
This combination of words angers me. There are no more pink lasers in the opening future war sequence in the 4K version. >:(
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 11, 2020, 04:07:44 AM
Did Cameron make it bluer?
(https://y.yarn.co/bb410eae-99c1-45ba-b6e1-131cfa7ef8fd_screenshot.jpg)
It doesn't get any bluer.
Completely unintended. I assure you, pal! I own the darn thing on DVD lulz, pink lasers all the way :laugh:
But that's not the (main) reason for the massive grievances, I hope?
Here seems to be the problem. Click on a frame and then Preview and with the mouse over the big one. Jaaa... it does look kinda fakey, waxy indeed... probably more so on a good TV.
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=350&y=303&d1=11905&d2=11117&s1=117385&s2=109138&l=0&i=10&go=1 (https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=350&y=303&d1=11905&d2=11117&s1=117385&s2=109138&l=0&i=10&go=1)
And yea, bluer too..
Explosion (15) now looks more like a magma blob rolling over the police car ;D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 11, 2020, 03:47:08 AM
I definitely stream, and typically have a few different services at any given time, but if I like something I want to own it.
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Streaming absolutely has its place, and I will be the first to vouch for that. But that place isn't as a replacement for physical media, at least for me.
Agreed. It's the same with gaming and the digital marketplaces. I want to be able to own my games. I want to be able to still play or watch when servers go down, or licensing deals go sour, or Skynet f**king takes over and I've still got some solar panels. I well and truly loathe this digital world when it comes to ownership.
Advice then, buy your stuff on GoG, or get them somewhere without DRM that when you download it, you own it.
Not overly bothered. If it's Star Wars or Alien or a small handful of other things I'd like a 'hardcopy', but most things I watch once then never again. Streaming's good for that.
Sorry for derailing this thread but is the news that Disney is shelving 20th Century Fox being discussed on this forum anywhere? Thanks!
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53747270
They changed the name to 20th Century Studios not too long ago. It's still running their catalogue, just a different name.
20th Television is a profoundly moronic title I hope they change. The fanfare is still there in both.
Ah ok thanks for explaining!
Well they are disney, i dont expect anything from them but the destruction of everything i love.
I only care about the blu-ray of Alien franchise and the Predator in second place.
But even without (before) Disney - Alien 4K is reality. Aliens 4K - a probable reality. But Alien 3 / Resurrection are not. These films are simply not popular enough. As a last resort, we could get a lazy 4K upscale. Nobody will bother with these two.
Sigh, well I guess ill hold on to my Alien 4k UHD and my 2010 Alien Anthology set.
Did Predator 4K + blu ray 4 movie collection released in UK (or Europe as a whole) ?
Maybe they will release 4K alien films ( as well as AvPs - I hope ) when the next Alien film hits the theaters.
Doesn't seem like Disney's interested in releasing the old titles on 4K. We were lucky to get Alien and all Predator films on time.
And the way it's going right now, I don't see a new Alien film happening anytime soon.
And here I was hoping to one day get a good release of alien 3 with david fincher at the helm and even right to reshot if needed and fixing the alien effects as some rumors say they did with some private showings fox did, but I guess that wont happen either :(
Yeah I'm not very happy that physical media is dying out.
Sad
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2020/08/12/disney-formally-denies-that-its-ditching-4k-blu-ray-catalog-releases/amp/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2020, 05:45:48 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2020/08/12/disney-formally-denies-that-its-ditching-4k-blu-ray-catalog-releases/amp/
Too late, I bought
Alien on 4K just to be sure I had it.
Haha. I brought mine when it came out so I had it. I don't yet have a 4K TV or player though...
I'm in the same boat.
Same. Been purchasing a lot of 4K releases lately, but no 4K player or television yet...
I had to get a new TV last year so I went 4k. This year my Xbox 360 died so I got the Xbox one x. So now I can watch 4k but I only have Alien in that format.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2020, 05:45:48 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2020/08/12/disney-formally-denies-that-its-ditching-4k-blu-ray-catalog-releases/amp/
4K Blu-Ray sales sagging?
Drop rumour that physical media releases will be halted and then a few days later officially deny it.
Watch 4K Blu-Ray sales spike in the interim.
This is no loss, Films of a certain age, including the Alien movies, looks bad in that high quality anyway.
Completely kills the movie magic.
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 13, 2020, 05:15:54 PM
This is no loss, Films of a certain age, including the Alien movies, looks bad in that high quality anyway.
Completely kills the movie magic.
??? Alien looks superb in higher quality. Most older films were shot on high resolution film anyway, so a proper remaster can do wonders.
I certainly hope the rumour is BS, but we'll see.
Quote from: judge death on Aug 12, 2020, 07:56:25 PM
And here I was hoping to one day get a good release of alien 3 with david fincher at the helm and even right to reshot if needed and fixing the alien effects as some rumors say they did with some private showings fox did, but I guess that wont happen either :(
Could always start...
#Alien3FincherCut
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 13, 2020, 05:15:54 PM
This is no loss, Films of a certain age, including the Alien movies, looks bad in that high quality anyway.
Completely kills the movie magic.
This is very not true.
Alien 4K looks better than ive ever seen it.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 13, 2020, 10:12:03 PM
Alien 4K looks better than ive ever seen it.
Agreed. Alien and Predator 2, unequivocally high recommend on 4K.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2020, 08:05:06 AM
Haha. I brought mine when it came out so I had it. I don't yet have a 4K TV or player though...
same, though i'm timing a 4k tv purchase for whenever the ps5 launches
Quote from: SiL on Aug 13, 2020, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 13, 2020, 05:15:54 PM
This is no loss, Films of a certain age, including the Alien movies, looks bad in that high quality anyway.
Completely kills the movie magic.
This is very not true.
I guess, he means movie loses part of its charm - it doesn't look like movie from 70s when you can make out all the shapes and lines and letters
Quote from: SiL on Aug 13, 2020, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 13, 2020, 05:15:54 PM
This is no loss, Films of a certain age, including the Alien movies, looks bad in that high quality anyway.
Completely kills the movie magic.
This is very not true.
I think it is, The light looks very artifical all of a sudden, the sets looks fake and the alien suit looks more rubery.
Like the film wasn't intended to be shown in that level of detail. I loathe the soap opera effect you see sometimes. I never go higher than DVD format in movies made before 2000.
Might be your telly.
I've noticed some movies suddenly look like than have very obvious sets or blue screens on some TVs (Star Trek 3 was one and one of the Harry Potter movies was another), but on other TVs look perfectly fine.
With that said, I havent actually watched ALIEN in 4k, but it was made in 79? how could it be different? I imagine 4k must absolutely murder Blade Runner...
So you haven't seen the film in 4K, but you know it looks worse?
It was shot on 35mm film and displayed in both 35mm and 70mm. The resolution of 35mm is approximately 6K, 70mm is enormous and requires special projectors. It 100% was meant to be seen in that level of detail -- and more.
The "Soap opera" look is from the TV, not the film. It's a setting trying to replicate a higher frame rate and is what most shops switch the displays to in-store. Switch it off for a proper cinematic look.
I assuming. I am simply voicing an opinion.
English is not my first anguage, but I hope I have conveyed my train of thought.
But if you haven't seen the film in 4K how can you have an opinion on it?
I have opinions on older films in 4K in general.
I have not yet seen ALIEN in 4k, however, as it was made in 79, I assume I wont apriciate it.
Have you seen any pre-2000 film on 4K?
Would I have strong feelings about the subject if I hadn't?
Seen some in 4K,others in 1080 and that jazz.
The only one that I though benefitted from it where documentaries and actual on-site footage productions, with little to none props and sets. (thats the stuff that ages most badly in higer quality) Like Baraka.
I am a little curious on Apocalypse Now though, as that movie utilized a lot of unsimulated locations.
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 14, 2020, 07:59:29 AM
The only one that I though benefitted from it where documentaries and actual on-site footage prodcutions, with little to none props and sets. (thats the stuff that ages most badly in higer quality) Like Baraka.
You keep mentioning props and sets. I remember when TV was transitioning from standard definition to HD, there were many TV makeup and hair, wardrobe, art directors, props persons, etc that were worried about the increase in detail that was required of their work.
But I don't believe the advent of 4K video caused the same concern among feature film workers, mainly because 35mm film has always been an equivalent 4K (and HDR) format.
TC
The smooth motion effect on your TV is what creates the soap opera look, not the resolution. You can turn it off, i never have it on.
Alien looks great in 4k and loses no charm.
I never properly calibrated my own until a couple of weeks ago, it surprised me the massive difference it makes, especially turning down the colour temperature and sharpness.
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 14, 2020, 06:55:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 13, 2020, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 13, 2020, 05:15:54 PM
This is no loss, Films of a certain age, including the Alien movies, looks bad in that high quality anyway.
Completely kills the movie magic.
This is very not true.
I think it is, The light looks very artifical all of a sudden, the sets looks fake and the alien suit looks more rubery.
Like the film wasn't intended to be shown in that level of detail. I loathe the soap opera effect you see sometimes. I never go higher than DVD format in movies made before 2000.
Film sets and props were built as good back then as they are today. Actually they were often superior back then. Compare for example the Space Jockey prop from Alien that was partially sculpted and painted by Giger himself to the plasticity looking monotone Jockey prop from Prometheus. Or Giger's hand-sculpted and airbrushed Alien eggs to the 3D printed ones from Alien Covenant.
And Blade Runner's sets still blows anything else from today completely out of the water.
Yeah if anything, older films look better on 4K than newer films.
I dont think you know what you are talking about.
Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 14, 2020, 09:04:02 PM
I dont think you know what you are talking about.
Don't make us throw you out the back of a speeding van Bobby.
Spoiler
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Allright, Ill be cool then.
:laugh: