Was the premise of AVP good and would you like to see it revisited?

Started by solace97, Jan 31, 2025, 08:17:40 PM

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Was the premise of AVP good and would you like to see it revisited? (Read 4,673 times)

Xenotaris

Xenotaris

#45
Quote from: SM on May 12, 2025, 02:22:08 AMBooks aside - the AvP film shows us very clearly that cold whether will not snap freeze Predators.

Pretty sure those movies (give its nature as a crossover film) have been de-canonized by Prometheus and Alien Covenant both of which are pure ALIEN films.

Well given the Yautja were only interested in very hot and humid climates, common sense would dictate that cold weather would be bad for them without any sort of protection.

Edit: I am not against a future AVP film, I'm just vehemently opposed to AVP (2004).

SiL

SiL

#46
Quote from: xenotaris on May 12, 2025, 02:50:48 AMWell given the Yautja were only interested in very hot and humid climates, common sense would dictate that cold weather would be bad for them without any sort of protection.
"I like the heat" does not mean "I'll die if the temperature is a bit chilly."

They had more armour than other Predators as well, it's not like they were as naked as normal.

Xenotaris

Quote from: SiL on May 12, 2025, 03:18:51 AM
Quote from: xenotaris on May 12, 2025, 02:50:48 AMWell given the Yautja were only interested in very hot and humid climates, common sense would dictate that cold weather would be bad for them without any sort of protection.
"I like the heat" does not mean "I'll die if the temperature is a bit chilly."

Do you know how cold Antarctica is? Its one of the coldest places on the planet!

Local Trouble

Quote from: xenotaris on May 12, 2025, 03:24:28 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 12, 2025, 03:18:51 AM
Quote from: xenotaris on May 12, 2025, 02:50:48 AMWell given the Yautja were only interested in very hot and humid climates, common sense would dictate that cold weather would be bad for them without any sort of protection.
"I like the heat" does not mean "I'll die if the temperature is a bit chilly."

Do you know how cold Antarctica is? Its one of the coldest places on the planet!
Quote from: SM on Feb 27, 2007, 11:49:52 PMNote that AvP takes place on Bouvet Island - not Antarctica - because it's often referred to as the most isolated spot on Earth.  Nice place to set a film that wants to interfere as little as possible with preceeding films history (in theory).

Bouvet is actually closer to Africa than Antarctica and even that's 1600km away.

Xenotaris

Quote from: Local Trouble on May 12, 2025, 03:31:47 AM
Quote from: xenotaris on May 12, 2025, 03:24:28 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 12, 2025, 03:18:51 AM
Quote from: xenotaris on May 12, 2025, 02:50:48 AMWell given the Yautja were only interested in very hot and humid climates, common sense would dictate that cold weather would be bad for them without any sort of protection.
"I like the heat" does not mean "I'll die if the temperature is a bit chilly."

Do you know how cold Antarctica is? Its one of the coldest places on the planet!
Quote from: SM on Feb 27, 2007, 11:49:52 PMNote that AvP takes place on Bouvet Island - not Antarctica - because it's often referred to as the most isolated spot on Earth.  Nice place to set a film that wants to interfere as little as possible with preceeding films history (in theory).

Bouvet is actually closer to Africa than Antarctica and even that's 1600km away.

Yeah but Bouvet doesn't have land (if Antarctica was once free of ice during holocene (unlike real world history, green Antarctica was before the Neogene and humans haven't evolved yet) as depicted in AVP, this area should have been liquid ocean not land) so the plot to AVP kind of falls apart

Local Trouble

Bouvet does have land.  It's a volcanic island, not floating ice.  Most of it's covered in glaciers, but there's solid ground underneath.

Maybe the Predators used their technology to heat the local climate while they were there?

SiL

Quote from: xenotaris on May 12, 2025, 03:24:28 AMDo you know how cold Antarctica is? Its one of the coldest places on the planet!
It's the coldest place on the planet.

But the Predators are wearing significantly more gear than usual and aren't in the cold for long.

Local Trouble

Maybe the cold is the point.  The whole rite of passage is supposed to be grueling, right?  Facing aliens in a harsh, freezing environment just makes the trial more brutal.

It's not their usual "weekend warrior on safari" deal.

SM

Exactly.  It's meant to be a test; not for fun like the first two Predator films.

Quote from: xenotaris on May 12, 2025, 02:50:48 AM
Quote from: SM on May 12, 2025, 02:22:08 AMBooks aside - the AvP film shows us very clearly that cold whether will not snap freeze Predators.

Pretty sure those movies (give its nature as a crossover film) have been de-canonized by Prometheus and Alien Covenant both of which are pure ALIEN films.

Well given the Yautja were only interested in very hot and humid climates, common sense would dictate that cold weather would be bad for them without any sort of protection.

Edit: I am not against a future AVP film, I'm just vehemently opposed to AVP (2004).

Predator in the second film made frequent visits to a meatworks. Didn't seem to bother him.

426Buddy

426Buddy

#54
I didn't have an issue with the cold, but was pretty bummed it was set on present day earth. I was obsessed with the AvP PC games and had wanted to see that future setting in a film.

My initial hate for Andersons AvP has softened a lot over time. Now I honestly find the movie to be a pretty fun way to kill an afternoon.
 

SM

An afternoon and general feeling of hope.

Corporal Hicks

Corporal Hicks

#56
Quote from: xenotaris on May 10, 2025, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: RoguePred1987 on Apr 30, 2025, 09:56:46 PMThe thing I will always say about AVP '04 is that it's ideas could totally work and be interesting. The problem is that the movie, its execution, failed in every conceivable way so the ideas really don't matter.

Would the Yautja would have froze to death. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't they attracted to HOT environments? Not cold ones? I don't care if there was a heat signature. The Yautja would have froze to death before reaching that pyramid. Also the time when Antarctica was free of ice was when the dinosaurs were still alive.

If anything, I thought it was a great idea actually placing the challenge in Antartica. If they prefer hot environments, it seems logical to me that something designed to be difficult and to test their mettle would be placed in a disadvantageous location. This has never been something that bothered me.



Quote from: Local Trouble on May 12, 2025, 05:09:00 AMMaybe the cold is the point.  The whole rite of passage is supposed to be grueling, right?  Facing aliens in a harsh, freezing environment just makes the trial more brutal.

It's not their usual "weekend warrior on safari" deal.

Yeah, this.

Xenotaris

Xenotaris

#57
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 12, 2025, 04:33:38 AMBouvet does have land.  It's a volcanic island, not floating ice.  Most of it's covered in glaciers, but there's solid ground underneath.

Maybe the Predators used their technology to heat the local climate while they were there?

Thats not what the movie was implying, it was implying the green Antarctica was naturally free of ice. No Yautja tech was involved.

Quote from: Local Trouble on May 12, 2025, 05:09:00 AMMaybe the cold is the point.  The whole rite of passage is supposed to be grueling, right?  Facing aliens in a harsh, freezing environment just makes the trial more brutal.

Edit: The Yautja's gear doesn't look at all useful for cold weather hunt, it just looks like regular armor.
It's not their usual "weekend warrior on safari" deal.

Usually the yautja do their hunts on worlds with no sapient life. Like Ryushi was once a sapient-less world when the Yautja hunted there but they didn't know that the humans colonized it.

SiL

Quote from: xenotaris on May 13, 2025, 11:35:57 PMThats not what the movie was implying, it was implying the green Antarctica was naturally free of ice. No Yautja tech was involved.
Thomas just says "ancient maps show Antarctica free of ice". If the Predators were heating the area, the humans would still find -- and map -- ice-free Antarctica.

SM

Quote from: xenotaris on May 13, 2025, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 12, 2025, 04:33:38 AMBouvet does have land.  It's a volcanic island, not floating ice.  Most of it's covered in glaciers, but there's solid ground underneath.

Maybe the Predators used their technology to heat the local climate while they were there?

Thats not what the movie was implying, it was implying the green Antarctica was naturally free of ice. No Yautja tech was involved.

Quote from: Local Trouble on May 12, 2025, 05:09:00 AMMaybe the cold is the point.  The whole rite of passage is supposed to be grueling, right?  Facing aliens in a harsh, freezing environment just makes the trial more brutal.

It's not their usual "weekend warrior on safari" deal.

Usually the yautja do their hunts on worlds with no sapient life. Like Ryushi was once a sapient-less world when the Yautja hunted there but they didn't know that the humans colonized it.

Weyland's satellite picked up a heat bloom which was the pyramid.  It was warm enough.

And every Predator movie has them hunting on worlds with sapient life.

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