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Title: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:15:16 AM
Please, anybody?


If it was just an oversight by the artist, I can live with that.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 01:16:19 AM
ಠ_ಠ
I am going to stab you with a ballpoint pen.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: And stuff on May 30, 2012, 01:17:38 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 01:16:19 AM
ಠ_ಠ
I am going to stab you with a ballpoint pen.

in the eyeball
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:18:17 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 01:16:19 AM
ಠ_ಠ
I am going to stab you with a ballpoint pen.

Fine, at least answer the question!
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 01:22:30 AM
Odd are, artistic interpretation.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:25:04 AM
See, if that is true, it BS. The whole DNA stuff is BS. I wanted to see the REAL space jockey race from the original movie, and what we have is LAME.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 01:25:57 AM
But in the OP you said, and I quote:

Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:15:16 AM
If it was just an oversight by the artist, I can live with that.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:27:35 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 01:25:57 AM
But in the OP you said, and I quote:

Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:15:16 AM
If it was just an oversight by the artist, I can live with that.

I meant Giger, obviously Scott forgot how big these things are. LAME.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 01:29:57 AM
I doubt Scott simply forgot. He obviously had his reasons, whether they are clear on screen or not.

Plus, he has gone on record time and time again trying to separate this film from Alien, probably so that we can stop digging so deep into little things like this and just enjoy the film as a standalone piece.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 01:34:52 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:27:35 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 01:25:57 AM
But in the OP you said, and I quote:

Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:15:16 AM
If it was just an oversight by the artist, I can live with that.

I meant Giger, obviously Scott forgot how big these things are. LAME.
How could it be an oversight... for a movie that came 33 years later.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:42:24 AM
So everyone is now accepting the idea that jockeys are half the size of the original. For no reason. I'd like 5 minutes alone with Ridley...
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Virgil on May 30, 2012, 01:44:20 AM
Wow. The Prometheus board is seriously going to the dogs this evening.  :(

eyeballkid, this complaint has been addressed countless times on countless threads.

Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: jonc2006 on May 30, 2012, 01:45:17 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:42:24 AM
So everyone is now accepting the idea that jockeys are half the size of the original. For no reason. I'd like 5 minutes alone with Ridley...

It's a fictional creature for Christ's sake. Deal with it.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 01:45:26 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:42:24 AM
So everyone is now accepting the idea that jockeys are half the size of the original. For no reason. I'd like 5 minutes alone with Ridley...

I wouldn't say everyone. I mean, I would have preferred it to be the same size, and an organism in and of itself like it was in Alien, but its not and I accept that. Now all that really matters to me is how the new Engineer is handled in the film. Prometheus is its own animal, despite sharing connections with Alien, and I'm willing to view it as such.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 01:47:18 AM
Ridley Scott had to make this different from the original movie so he could take control of his own separate franchise and ca$h in. In his story the engineers made the humans, so they are larger but not unreasonably so.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:47:41 AM
The SJ ain't small in the movie from what I remember.
I guess it's just a trailer thing.
But face to face with a human it felt pretty tall.
Even more when it suits up in the chair.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 01:48:19 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:42:24 AM
So everyone is now accepting the idea that jockeys are half the size of the original. For no reason. I'd like 5 minutes alone with Ridley...

*Five minutes later eyeballkid comes out crying as Ridley Scott straightened him the **** out*
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 01:48:38 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 01:47:41 AM
The SJ ain't small in the movie from what I remember.
I guess it's just a trailer thing.
But face to face with a human it felt pretty tall.
Even more when it suits up in the chair.

Wait, you saw the movie? Did you like it?
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Sgt. Apone on May 30, 2012, 01:51:02 AM
Does it really matter? Will it ruin the experience of the movie for you?
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Virgil on May 30, 2012, 01:51:48 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 01:48:19 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:42:24 AM
So everyone is now accepting the idea that jockeys are half the size of the original. For no reason. I'd like 5 minutes alone with Ridley...

*Five minutes later eyeballkid comes out crying as Ridley Scott straightened him the **** out*

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com%2Fimages%2Frobin_hood_ridley_scott.jpg&hash=551b58c4e009b3ef32624a950c348bde94dbad54)

"I can still kick your butt with a dodgy leg, dude."
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 01:53:11 AM
Quote from: Virgil_uk on May 30, 2012, 01:51:48 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 01:48:19 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:42:24 AM
So everyone is now accepting the idea that jockeys are half the size of the original. For no reason. I'd like 5 minutes alone with Ridley...

*Five minutes later eyeballkid comes out crying as Ridley Scott straightened him the **** out*

http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/robin_hood_ridley_scott.jpg

"I can still kick your butt with a dodgy leg, dude."
LOL  :laugh:
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:54:56 AM
Quote from: Sgt. Apone on May 30, 2012, 01:51:02 AM
Does it really matter? Will it ruin the experience of the movie for you?

YES! Simply because the movie never explains why it is twice as big! That should have been the tie in with Alien, not the stupid ending.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Capovin on May 30, 2012, 02:00:23 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:54:56 AM
Quote from: Sgt. Apone on May 30, 2012, 01:51:02 AM
Does it really matter? Will it ruin the experience of the movie for you?

YES! Simply because the movie never explains why it is twice as big! That should have been the tie in with Alien, not the stupid ending.

Have fun with that then
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Virgil on May 30, 2012, 02:07:20 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:54:56 AM
Quote from: Sgt. Apone on May 30, 2012, 01:51:02 AM
Does it really matter? Will it ruin the experience of the movie for you?

YES! Simply because the movie never explains why it is twice as big! That should have been the tie in with Alien, not the stupid ending.

Hang on...You're actually requesting this film takes time out of its running narrative to explain the size of an animal?

Milburn: "Wait a minute, Shaw. This Engineer is tiny!? WTF GUYZ?!

Shaw: "Valid point, Milburn. I'd imagine as they serve as a human counterpart, they could vary in size and shape the same as us.

Milburn: OMG THIS IS SHIT THIS WHOLE FILMS A WASTE OF f**kING TIME IM NOT SEEING IT ITS SHIT ITS CRAP IT...

Shaw: (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.metro.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2012%2F03%2F20%2Farticle-1332263001560-123900D7000005DC-99227_636x337.jpg&hash=dca0e94f874f4458baedbc081fd0b6c1e7c1ddec)
"DDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:08:39 AM
The movie makes no damn sense from the very beginning if it does not explain how an ancient race was somehow twice the size of this military outpost crew. NO SENSE! Did they smoke when they were young, did they not eat their vegetables?
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 02:09:43 AM
I can't wait for someone to ask old Riddles about this in an interview or Q&A.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: jonc2006 on May 30, 2012, 02:11:56 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 01:54:56 AM
Quote from: Sgt. Apone on May 30, 2012, 01:51:02 AM
Does it really matter? Will it ruin the experience of the movie for you?

YES! Simply because the movie never explains why it is twice as big! That should have been the tie in with Alien, not the stupid ending.

You want an explanation? Because if they had tried to make it the same size you know they would have ended up using some giant CGI space jockey that looks like something straight out of one of those cheap Syfy flicks. Would you have seriously preferred that?
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:12:41 AM
Somebody delete this thread.

For f**k's sake.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 02:16:50 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:12:41 AM
Somebody delete this thread.

For f**k's sake.

But then we will get another... And just for the sake of continuity, it will have to be the same size...  :o
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:17:47 AM
So we are happy with a Friday the 13th ending? Big bald guy chasing the girl. Yep! Sounds awesome! Never been done before!
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 02:18:12 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 02:16:50 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:12:41 AM
Somebody delete this thread.

For f**k's sake.

But then we will get another... And just for the sake of continuity, it will have to be the same size...  :o
The same size? Or shorter than the original?  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:24:36 AM
The alien in alien was a work of art, not just in design, but, it's motivations, the way it moves. The space jockey should have been that, but instead we have a man in a suit. It could have been so much better..
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:26:21 AM
if i shoot myself in the head, i'm gonna make sure you're standing right beside me.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:27:40 AM
Sweepums rage.

The most delicious kind of rage. ;D
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:35:10 AM
So...no one really wanted to see the original space jockey? We are all happy with midgets that act like Jason. The creators of human kind are feeble little runts that can't even control their own creations... oh wait, that's the whole point. Or is it?
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:38:51 AM
i f**king swear, i'll play a lament for you on the piano before i take a string and choke you out.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:42:21 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:38:51 AM
i f**king swear, i'll play a lament for you on the piano before i take a string and choke you out.

Calm down, and tell me why the space jockeys are now 50% smaller.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:43:39 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:42:21 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:38:51 AM
i f**king swear, i'll play a lament for you on the piano before i take a string and choke you out.

Calm down, and tell me why the space jockeys are now 50% smaller.
Artistic lisce-- wait. What the f**k am I doing?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lvxb773Qwu1qalmnt.gif&hash=b7ce7df0dcd03078b0c9ca26f25783d6f987c2e0)

TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT THE MIDNIGHT SHOWING NOW, YOU f**kING BASTAAAAAAAAAAARD
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:45:44 AM
Don't get yourself banned again, Sweepums.

Plz. :P
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 02:47:12 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:42:21 AM
Calm down, and tell me why the space jockeys are now 50% smaller.

Because you touch yourself at night.


No? Okay, how about... Because they're also now 50% more dense. I mean, look at those chiseled muscles. RIPPED like bricks. Hell yeah.


You've been given reasons eyeball, reasons you said you were willing to accept in your very first post. Why isn't that good enough?

Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:43:39 AM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvxb773Qwu1qalmnt.gif

TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT THE MIDNIGHT SHOWING NOW, YOU f**kING BASTAAAAAAAAAAARD

Hahahahaha! So much rage, sweeper. So much rage.  :laugh:

Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:45:44 AM
Don't get yourself banned again, Sweepums.

Plz. :P

*whisperwhisperwhisper* ...Shhh! We need more drama...
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:48:28 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 02:45:44 AM
Don't get yourself banned again, Sweepums.

Plz. :P
Spoiler
Come on, if they can't figure out that rage this intense is a joke, they don't have a chance in hell at controlling the release backlash.
[close]
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:49:50 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:43:39 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:42:21 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 30, 2012, 02:38:51 AM
i f**king swear, i'll play a lament for you on the piano before i take a string and choke you out.

Calm down, and tell me why the space jockeys are now 50% smaller.
Artistic lisce-- wait. What the f**k am I doing?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvxb773Qwu1qalmnt.gif

TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT THE MIDNIGHT SHOWING NOW, YOU f**kING BASTAAAAAAAAAAARD

Space Jockeys have a vitamin deficiency, so there not as big?
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 02:52:09 AM
Yep, that's the canon reason. And the big Jockies, in their infinite rage, banned the puny SJs to LV-223 while they were on LV-426 playing with these cool eggs they discovered. Meanwhile, the puny Jockies were caught up in this whole "human creator" dilemma where they were mistaken for their larger, more vitamin enhanced counterparts, thus explaining the human/Engineer conflict in Prometheus.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 02:52:28 AM
If you don't drink your milk, you will end up like the tiny Engineers in Prometheus, so... drink your milk. For God's sake, drink your milk!


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 30, 2012, 02:52:09 AM
Yep, that's the canon reason. And the big Jockies, in their infinite rage, banned the puny SJs to LV-223 while they were on LV-426 playing with these cool eggs they discovered. Meanwhile, the puny Jockies were caught up in this whole "human creator" dilemma where they were mistaken for their larger, more vitamin enhanced counterparts, thus explaining the human/Engineer conflict in Prometheus.

Man, that's also bullshit! Large, beefy jockeys come from LV-123, EVERYBODY knows that.. duh.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: First Blood on May 30, 2012, 03:02:53 AM
Ugh, gawd. I am feeling the dumb from this thread.

We really do need this movie now, folks.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 03:10:03 AM
Quote from: First Blood on May 30, 2012, 03:02:53 AM
Ugh, gawd. I am feeling the dumb from this thread.

We really do need this movie now, folks.

Why is this dumb? There is a huge dead alien in alien, and prometheus doesn't even touch it. Ridley said that was the whole point of the movie.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 03:10:49 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 03:10:03 AM
Quote from: First Blood on May 30, 2012, 03:02:53 AM
Ugh, gawd. I am feeling the dumb from this thread.

We really do need this movie now, folks.

Why is this dumb? There is a huge dead alien in alien, and prometheus doesn't even touch it. Ridley said that was the whole point of the movie.
Its one of the engineer's buddies.
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 03:12:37 AM
Quote from: Predaker on May 30, 2012, 03:10:49 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 03:10:03 AM
Quote from: First Blood on May 30, 2012, 03:02:53 AM
Ugh, gawd. I am feeling the dumb from this thread.

We really do need this movie now, folks.

Why is this dumb? There is a huge dead alien in alien, and prometheus doesn't even touch it. Ridley said that was the whole point of the movie.
Its one of the engineer's buddies.

BS, the dead alien happened a long time ago.


So he knew his buddy way before the events that killed the other 3?
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 03:10:03 AM
Why is this dumb? There is a huge dead alien in alien, and prometheus doesn't even touch it. Ridley said that was the whole point of the movie.

No. He didn't. He merely asked what was that being all about. Not specifically that corpse, but the nature of that civilization.

You know what the story of that being was? here.

he picked up some eggs from the intergalactic Milky Way Super Market, was on his way home, eating an alien omlette, when he had a case of heart burn. He set his ship down LV-426, gave birth to the first alien, it exploded into a puddle of acid from being so awesome, thus creating the hole in the floor. There it sat for 10,000 years until John Hurt decided to raid the fridge.

Riveting, right?  :)
Title: Re: WHY IS THE SJ BIGGER IN ALIEN?
Post by: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 03:20:35 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 30, 2012, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 30, 2012, 03:10:03 AM
Why is this dumb? There is a huge dead alien in alien, and prometheus doesn't even touch it. Ridley said that was the whole point of the movie.

No. He didn't. He merely asked what was that being all about. Not specifically that corpse, but the nature of that civilization.

You know what the story of that being was? here.

he picked up some eggs from the intergalactic Milky Way Super Market, was on his way home, eating an alien omlette, when he had a case of heart burn. He set his ship down LV-426, gave birth to the first alien, it exploded into a puddle of acid from being so awesome, thus creating the hole in the floor. There it sat for 10,000 years until John Hurt decided to raid the fridge.

Riveting, right?  :)

Fair enough... I liked the DH short story were they sold eggs on the black market as delicates.